  BACKUP and /SINCE, extra files? 
 The Question is:
 
OpenVMS V6.2-1H3
 
Having problem with incremental backup.
 
Some files are incrementally backed up as per expectations while other files
are not.
 
Example: directory listing of two separate files
 
Directory DKA0:[UCX$FTP]
 
LOGIN.COM;1                   File ID:  (7169,1,0)
Size:            1/4          Owner:    [UCX$AUX,UCX$FTP]
Created:   30-SEP-1996 14:11:52.99
Revised:   30-SEP-1996 14:11:53.10 (3)
Expires:   &lt;None specified&gt;
Backup:     1-OCT-1999 22:01:06.82
Effective: &lt;None specified&gt;
Recording: &lt;None specified&gt;
File organization:  Sequential
Shelved state:      Online
File attributes:    Allocation: 4, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No
version limit
Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 0 bytes, longest 70 bytes
Record attributes:  Print file carriage control
RMS attributes:     None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:RE
Access Cntrl List:  None
 
Total of 1 file, 1/4 blocks.
 
 
Directory DKA0:[UCX$POP]
 
LOGIN.COM;1                   File ID:  (8147,6,0)
Size:            1/4          Owner:    [UCX$AUX,UCX$POP]
Created:   19-DEC-1997 09:54:38.77
Revised:   19-DEC-1997 09:54:38.91 (3)
Expires:   &lt;None specified&gt;
Backup:     8-OCT-1999 17:54:41.58
Effective: &lt;None specified&gt;
Recording: &lt;None specified&gt;
File organization:  Sequential
Shelved state:      Online
File attributes:    Allocation: 4, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No
version limit
Record format:      VFC, 2 byte header, maximum 0 bytes, longest 70 bytes
Record attributes:  Print file carriage control
RMS attributes:     None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:RE
Access Cntrl List:  None
 
Total of 1 file, 1/4 blocks.
 
 
 
 
Now consider the following incremental backup commands and their
corresponding results...
 
 
 
OAK&gt; show time
   8-OCT-1999 18:05:40
OAK&gt;
OAK&gt; backup/record/fast DKA0:[UCX$FTP]login.com;*/since=backup
dka300:[backtest]dka0.bck/save/label=test
%BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DKA0:[UCX$FTP]LOGIN.COM;*
%BACKUP-I-STARTRECORD, starting backup date recording pass
%BACKUP-W-NONEREC, no files processed on recording pass
OAK&gt;
OAK&gt; backup/record/fast DKA0:[UCX$POP]login.com;*/since=backup
dka300:[backtest]dka0.bck/save/label=test
%BACKUP-I-STARTRECORD, starting backup date recording pass
OAK&gt;
 
 
 
Here are the directory listings for the respective directory locations...
 
Directory DKA0:[000000]
 
UCX$FTP.DIR;1                 File ID:  (7166,3,0)
Size:            1/4          Owner:    [UCX$AUX,UCX$FTP]
Created:   30-SEP-1996 14:11:52.67
Revised:   30-SEP-1996 14:11:52.73 (1)
Expires:   &lt;None specified&gt;
Backup:     4-NOV-1996 12:09:59.59
Effective: &lt;None specified&gt;
Recording: &lt;None specified&gt;
File organization:  Sequential
Shelved state:      Online
File attributes:    Allocation: 4, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No
default version limit, Contiguous, MoveFile disabled
                    Directory file
Record format:      Variable length, maximum 512 bytes, longest 512 bytes
Record attributes:  No carriage control, Non-spanned
RMS attributes:     None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection:    System:RWE, Owner:RWE, Group:RE, World:E
Access Cntrl List:
(UNKNOWN=%X82,SIZE=%D48,FLAGS=%X0400,ACCESS=%X06900000,DATA=%X00000005,%X324
2B0D2,%X000003D4,%X00010000,
 
%X0000007F,%X00000000,%X00000000,%X00000000,%X00040000,%X00000000)
 
Total of 1 file, 1/4 blocks.
 
 
Directory DKA0:[000000]
 
UCX$POP.DIR;1                 File ID:  (8145,6,0)
Size:            1/4          Owner:    [UCX$AUX,UCX$POP]
Created:   19-DEC-1997 09:54:38.51
Revised:   19-DEC-1997 09:54:38.57 (1)
Expires:   &lt;None specified&gt;
Backup:    &lt;No backup recorded&gt;
Effective: &lt;None specified&gt;
Recording: &lt;None specified&gt;
File organization:  Sequential
Shelved state:      Online
File attributes:    Allocation: 4, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No
default version limit, Contiguous, MoveFile disabled
                    Directory file
Record format:      Variable length, maximum 512 bytes, longest 512 bytes
Record attributes:  No carriage control, Non-spanned
RMS attributes:     None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection:    System:RWE, Owner:RWE, Group:RE, World:E
Access Cntrl List:
(UNKNOWN=%X82,SIZE=%D48,FLAGS=%X0400,ACCESS=%X06900000,DATA=%X00000005,%X324
2B0D2,%X000003D4,%X00010000,
 
%X0000007F,%X00000000,%X00000000,%X00000000,%X00040000,%X00000000)
 
Total of 1 file, 1/4 blocks.
 
 
 
Can you shed any light on this anomolous behaviour?
 
Thanks, James R. Gibson.
 
 
 The Answer is:
 
  Curious.  Please acquire and install the current BACKUP ECO kit,
  and then -- if the problem persists -- please contact the Compaq
  Customer Support Center.
 
  This might be an unusual manifestation of a change made to BACKUP
  at V6.2, to ensure that an incremental restoration will work -- in
  this case, the parent directory DKA0:[UCX$POP] has never been backed
  up, and may be triggering the BACKUP operation.  (Reset the BACKUP
  date on the parent directory (via Freeware DFU tool) or via a pass
  of BACKUP with /RECORD, and try the test again.)  Various previous
  discussions of BACKUP and apparent extra file selections are here,
  as well.
 
