1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 03 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 186       Contents: Audio server availability  Re: Audio server availability E Re: Configuring NIC from 10Base2 to 10BaseT in an AlphaServer OpenVMS 1 Re: create your own personal SYS$COMMON directory  Re: Debunking the B2B hype Re: Help: SCSI Clustering & Re: Identifying unfound target of GOTO& Re: Identifying unfound target of GOTO/ LaserJet PCL to Acrobat PDF convertor available " Legacy NT (was: Sign of the times) Re: Old vax 7 Re: OVMS : Should I retrain back to the latest version? ) Pathworks (advanced server), WIN2K, samba  PWS 433a Questions4 Re: Raw CD image for OVMS 7.2 Hobbyist Distribution?P Re: should BACKUP automatically dismount the first volume of a    two-volume bac Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: Suggestion for authorize Re: Suggestion for authorize Re: SYS$SYSTEM usage0 Re: VMS today: % users x-widnows vs VT terminals0 Re: VMS today: % users x-widnows vs VT terminals0 Re: VMS today: % users x-widnows vs VT terminals, Re: Weird power problem on an Alpha 3000-600  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:19:43 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Audio server availability/ Message-ID: <38E78F36.EF2F6AA3@vl.videotron.ca>   N Ever since I got a cable connection, I have used my MAC to listen to radio (itI is connected to stereo and VCR) to listen to music from around the world.   J Got an interesting one yesterday, listening to na australian radio station that "lives on the net".    K Something akin to " You're listeing to the OZ channel, available 24 hours a 0 day, 7 days a week, unless our serverS go down".  J Another opportunity for VMS to enter that new market of radio broadcastingK through IP connections. Would commercial radio stations tolerate that their 0 antennas break down as often as their servers ?   L I have found that real-audio servers tend to be quite unreliable, especiallyK during after-work-hours when there is probably nobody to reboot the sad PC.   L Also, when you look at a site such as NASA (and United Space Alliance) whichK provide live video feed, during launches, the load is very high. So, again, : having alhas and VMS as real-audio servers would be great.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 15:09:53 -0400 / From: "Andrew C. Stoffel" <acs@cyberportal.net> & Subject: Re: Audio server availabilityD Message-ID: <acs-BA58A5.15095302042000@premium.news.fcgnetworks.net>  9 In article <38E78F36.EF2F6AA3@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei  ( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:@ > Another opportunity for VMS to enter that new market of radio > > broadcasting through IP connections. Would commercial radio ? > stations tolerate that their antennas break down as often as   > their servers ?  > D > I have found that real-audio servers tend to be quite unreliable, C > especially during after-work-hours when there is probably nobody   > to reboot the sad  PC. > I > Also, when you look at a site such as NASA (and United Space Alliance)  I > which provide live video feed, during launches, the load is very high.  H > So, again,  having alhas and VMS as real-audio servers would be great.  7 Well.... someone who was ambitious could check out the  8 Darwin Streaming Server from Apple..... if it can run on& Solaris, FreeBSD & Unix, why not VMS ?  8    http://www.publicsource.apple.com/projects/streaming/   -Andy-   --  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Apr 2000 15:21:25 CST ; From: wayne@tachyon.xxx.014686.killspam.073a (Wayne Sewell) N Subject: Re: Configuring NIC from 10Base2 to 10BaseT in an AlphaServer OpenVMS. Message-ID: <OWDR1ByIWExK@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  q In article <bUpF4.12355$9m6.484300@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "ggepitulan" <gp2lan@earthlink.net> writes: G > We hav an Alpha Server 1000 running OpenVMS 7.2 and just upgraded our . > network from 10Base2 connections to 10BaseT.G > My problem is that, I can't get the Network Interface Card to work in 
 > 10BaseT.I > Does anyone know how to configure the NIC from 10Base2 (BNC) to 10BaseT 	 > (RJ45). / > Any information I would really appreciate it.     D On most alphas, you would enter "set ewa0 twist" from the console.       --  O =============================================================================== K Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachyon.xxx 8 http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 02:04:06 GMT 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> : Subject: Re: create your own personal SYS$COMMON directory, Message-ID: <38E7FCBF.8465616@earthlink.net>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  [snip]G > I prefer not to change the definition of the SYS$SYSROOT from the VMS  > standard.  > L > It can greatly complicate diagnosing some types of problems, even if it is > not the root cause.    Yeah gotta agree with that.   D I typically use logicals separate from the ones provided by OpenVMS:   Directory structure: [.EXE] [.EXE.ALPHA]
 [.EXE.VAX]   USER_COM = [.EXE] ) USER_IMG = [.EXE.'f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")']    DCL$PATH = USER_COM,USER_IMG  D The source of the relative path is either my login directory or some other path.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems " http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 05:02:28 -0800 5 From: Richard  <Maher_rjNOMaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> # Subject: Re: Debunking the B2B hype 9 Message-ID: <15f5621a.b2ba2848@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com>   7 Imagine 2PC between Hertz and Holiday Inn and Singapore 5 Airlines! Imagine not having to know in advance which 7 servers were to participate in a transaction in a world : wide internet txn! Imagine applying ACID proprties to WWW!  * Imagine the Transaction Internet Protocol!   Regards Richard Maher      * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:45:59 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>" Subject: Re: Help: SCSI Clustering, Message-ID: <8c1vl9$130g@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  ] "sseng" <sseng@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:ZEVE4.59643$3b6.234536@ozemail.com.au...  > M > Of course you'll also need to ensure that the letter designator of the SCSI C > controllers connected to the same SCSI bus match on both systems.   2 Nope, that's what port allocation classes are for.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:33:34 +1000/ From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au> / Subject: Re: Identifying unfound target of GOTO 3 Message-ID: <CFRF4.61440$3b6.239752@ozemail.com.au>   ; JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:38E52912.540E53D1@vl.videotron.ca...   > briggs@eisner.decus.org wrote:I > > Easy fix.  Instead of directly invoking the problematic file from the K > > batch job or captive command file, submit a jacket procedure (or direct = > > LGICMD to a jacket procedure) that calls the problem file  > L > Ok, I am confused. How does executing TEST.COM which calls TEST2.COM cause a H > different behaviour with regards to displaying the error message about GOTO( > compared to executing TEST2 directly ?  4 The error handler shows the label that was not found  \FOO\L I think the original poster wanted to know what the missing label was ie. if it was  \FOO\ or \BAR\ Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:11:34 GMT , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)/ Subject: Re: Identifying unfound target of GOTO ' Message-ID: <2000Mar31.081134.1@eisner>   W In article <C22568B2.006A7628.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes: J > If I invoke the comand file interactively, DCL reports the errant label.M > If I submit it to a batch queue, neither the accounting entry nor the batch  > log reports the errant label.   E Can you run with set verify in batch (the default setting)?  My batch  log ends with:   $!	 $GOTO FOO N %DCL-W-USGOTO, target of GOTO not found - check spelling and presence of label  ' which makes the problem rather obvious.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:45:31 GMT  From: ngeddes@my-deja.com 8 Subject: LaserJet PCL to Acrobat PDF convertor available) Message-ID: <8c1vk8$bb0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   E 28 March 2000. Visual Software has just completed a new v4.0 build of F Pcl2pdf for OpenVMS. Pcl2pdf v4.0 converts LaserJet PCL print files toD Acrobat PDF format for publishing and distribution by e-mail and the web.  E This release was built on a DEC Alpha 2000/300 system running OpenVMS F v6.2 and it is the first time that Pcl2pdf has been available for this	 platform.   C A full evaluation version will be made available on the Pcl2pdf for E Unix web page over the next few days. In the meantime if anyone would G like to receive a copy for testing would they please contact us via our  web site below.    Issued by Neil Geddes  Director, Visual Software ! Internet: http://www.visual.co.uk     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:06:47 GMT 2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)+ Subject: Legacy NT (was: Sign of the times) ' Message-ID: <2000Mar31.070647.1@eisner>   ` In article <38E41173.7A500C08@nc.prestige.net>, Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net> writes: >  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >>L >> Before that, it was running OSU on VMS, but the current chair (as well asN >> Compaq delegate) was opposed to using "legacy" systems because it woudl not > C > I really hate these self-proclaimed know-it-alls who refer to the U > best/latest/greatest technology as "legacy".  If it doesn't say MS or Intel then it T > is legacy...  what a crock.  After all VMS is actually newer technology than Unix.  C You won't change their outlook; so you should make them apply it in C an evenhanded fashion.  Windows 2000 is now released, so Windows NT  is now "legacy" software.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:08:03 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Old vax) Message-ID: <38E49523.2F4BA746@bbc.co.uk>    `    Michael Austin wrote:   C > Actually you may not be able to use those drives in your PC.  The J > firmware may be the VAX-Only variant.  Why not use VMS at home... with 4I > free web servers out there, it would make a great server.  If you don't  > want them, send them to me.  >   - or me, except... Anthony is in New Zealand...   -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:56:59 +0100  From: bfb <bfb@tesco.net> @ Subject: Re: OVMS : Should I retrain back to the latest version?8 Message-ID: <52q8es4icfnvup4pu763aj1clook43jcop@4ax.com>  1 On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:23:42 +0100, Tim Llewellyn   <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >  >  > K >The UK Contracting industry sucks. It is controlled by a collusion between H >managers and agents, neither of which tend to have much to offer on the	 >IQ side.   @ It seems most agencies are the CV harvester type. Plug in searchF criterion and see what happens, rather than "Is this person able to do	 this job"    > P > If you are not ready to "hit the ground running" with exact skill matches thenL >in many cases you won't even get an interview, even if you are a serious ITQ >type person with much experience in a wide variety of fields, and a fast learner : >who reads manuals like most people read the sports pages. >   B I know! The strange thing is that "The UK has a deficit of 300,000
 I.T. people"    A "Connect everyone to the internet" that will solve the employment  problem at a stroke. :-)    T >The fact that agencies are not even lifting a finger in the latest IR35 tax debacleS >here in the UK just reiterates the fact that most are real lowlife who could never ( >do my (or your) job in a million years.  D Agreed, without doubt the most dangerous form of taxation ever to be" launched on a unsuspecting public.   > U >Yet, they are basically laughing in their silence while the govt devaulues my skills  >  >by 15%.  C Yup. But the agencies are catching on to the problems, as they will E find out at the end of the year when they can't place any contractors  because the rates are too low.  > To get back on topic, there must be some UK agencies which are> superior when dealing with OVMS contracts, any suggestions? As* Jobserve is a interesting form of fiction.     Regards  bfb    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 05:37:33 -0800 $ From: sroyer <steve.royer@ssq.qc.ca>2 Subject: Pathworks (advanced server), WIN2K, samba9 Message-ID: <01ea4c27.46e7ff34@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com>   : Anyone konw what's the future about the full compatibility6 between Pathworks (advanced server) and Win2000 Active Directory ?   0 Does compaq will make a new version that will be1 fully fonctionnal with win2k a.d. without been in 
 'Mixed Mode'?   7 Anyone have made trust working between pwrk and win2k ?   = Does anyone know a substitute of pathworks other than Samba ?   	 Thank you  Steve   L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 18:03:53 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: PWS 433a Questions 6 Message-ID: <dYLF4.1424$h81.25656@typhoon.aracnet.com>  H Well, I'm now the ecstatic owner of a PWS 433a.  It's currently running F NT 4.0, however I've updated to the latest version of SRM and ARC, andM switched over to SRM.  With a SCSI CD attached I'm able to boot the Hobbyist  L OpenVMS CD.  So now I'm in search of a source of *cheap* RAM as it only has O 64MB.  Anyone have any advice?  The best looking source I've found is Egghead,  : but they don't have any in stock (352.99 for a 256MB Kit).  H The other problem is it has a 4D40T Graphics adapter so I'll need to getI something that will work with OpenVMS.  Looks like my best bet is an Elsa K Gloria Synergy, anyone have any leads on who still has them?  Can I use the @ TGA or TGA2 cards for the time being (I've got both from my one 3 AlphaStation200 4/233 and my AlphaStation 500/333).   L The final question is, how friendly is OpenVMS to 3rd party UW SCSI drives? F I'm using DEC drives in all my other Alpha's and VAXen, but since thisI system was an unexpected expense I'm looking for cheap alternatives.  I'm I thinking I'd like to set the system up to boot different OS's, instead of  just running OpenVMS.    				Zane      ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:11:44 -0500 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>= Subject: Re: Raw CD image for OVMS 7.2 Hobbyist Distribution? - Message-ID: <38E42580.57FD21E4@tsoft-inc.com>    Brian Wheeler wrote: > G > Does anyone know how I can get a raw disk image of the OVMS 7.2 (VAX) N > Hobbyist distribution that I could burn on a blank CD?  Is one available forG > download somewhere, or could a kind soul make one for a cash-strapped 
 > individual?a >  > Brian Wheeler  > bdwheele@indiana.edu  : What's your definition of 'cash-strapped'?  The CD is $30.   Dave   -- a4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comt Vanderbilt, PA  15486t   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Mar 2000 06:00 CSTi' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)eY Subject: Re: should BACKUP automatically dismount the first volume of a    two-volume bace- Message-ID: <31MAR200006002681@gerg.tamu.edu>D  ^ In article <rco8eskpgrkclu144b8ntv58abv57r6f8d@4ax.com>, Andy Burns <andy@burns.net> writes... }Arne Bergseth wrote:  } 7 }>when 9 track tape with 1600 fpi density was the rule.  } 2 }what's that ? 1600 feet per inch ? clever trick ! }yes I know you meant bpi .... }--  }Andy At Burns Dot Net  ! Perhaps it was "faults per inch".a   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 19:15:12 -0400w0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?/ Message-ID: <38E7D45F.F26463D7@vl.videotron.ca>o   David Turner wrote:  > L > All said and done - it certainly seems as though the Almighty Q is panningJ > for one it's fellow demi-gods and will undoubtedly dump it's last trusty > disciple, VMS  >  > Who's gonna buy it ?  G I would think it more likely for Compaq to spin off the VMS/True64 (andtN assiciated software products) into a company partly onwed by CMGI. It would beL the logical thing to do. It would remain under the Compaq umbrella, ensuringI that customers continue to buy support from Compaq, yet would give it thetM independance to market agressively etc. (As well as giving a less proprietary2F appearance since other makers of Alpha boxes could also sell VMS etc.)   ------------------------------  " Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:54:36 GMT* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?& Message-ID: <2000Apr2.185436.1@eisner>  ] In article <sefd0iqfeop106@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> writes:w  L > From this time last year, every dealer in the US and Europe were trying to  > buy USED VMS ALpha's and Vaxen > I > Now, the mostpart are buying Proliants and the base Tru64 Alpha systemsd >  > What's gonna happen ?a >   = 	I didn't know used AlphaServers running Tru64 were different-9 	than used AlphaServers running VMS.  How does that work?0 	 > 	What's the biggest use of used machines anyhow?  Y2K testing?   			Rob   ------------------------------  " Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:56:25 GMT* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?& Message-ID: <2000Apr2.185625.1@eisner>  ] In article <sefd0iqfeop106@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> writes:iL > All said and done - it certainly seems as though the Almighty Q is panningJ > for one it's fellow demi-gods and will undoubtedly dump it's last trusty > disciple, VMSu >  > Who's gonna buy it ? >   B 	Your premise is fatally flawed.  VMS is a very profitable segment 	for Compaq.  Get a clue.n   				Robt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:06:17 -0400+ From: "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com>h" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?/ Message-ID: <sefo01o4eop133@corp.supernews.com>e  1 In repsonse to the gentleman stating "get a clue"   K The Online Broker/Dealer market, I believe, is a very informative medium byUK which we can not particularly predict the market, but at least "get a clue"/0 of what exactly the business is vearing towards.  D I am just stating a fact that from what we see, ON THE DEALER onlineJ networks, we have noticed a remarkable decline in the purchase of both NEW+ and USED DEC/Compaq VMS based ALpha systemsu  J If anyone can enlighten us as to what exactly  the stas would be , withVMS- and Tru64 in mind, then I would appreciate itF   Davidm      = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messageh) news:38E7D45F.F26463D7@vl.videotron.ca...r > David Turner wrote:. > > F > > All said and done - it certainly seems as though the Almighty Q is panningiL > > for one it's fellow demi-gods and will undoubtedly dump it's last trusty > > disciple, VMS  > >g > > Who's gonna buy it ? >)I > I would think it more likely for Compaq to spin off the VMS/True64 (and G > assiciated software products) into a company partly onwed by CMGI. It  would beE > the logical thing to do. It would remain under the Compaq umbrella,= ensuringK > that customers continue to buy support from Compaq, yet would give it the C > independance to market agressively etc. (As well as giving a less  proprietarydH > appearance since other makers of Alpha boxes could also sell VMS etc.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:03:47 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?/ Message-ID: <38E7DFBE.CBF09F99@vl.videotron.ca>    Rob Young wrote:K >         Your premise is fatally flawed.  VMS is a very profitable segment " >         for Compaq.  Get a clue.  S Is selling VMS profitable ? (not enough new sales to generate billions in profits). " Or is VMS maintenance profitable ?  L If selling VMS isn't profitable, and Comapq knows that unless there is a bigK push to revive VMS, not only will sales, but also maintenance will dwindle,eL then Compaq would know something must be done. Compaq also knwos that it has4 its hands tied because of Microsoft and Intel deals.  N So, if Compaq spinned off VMS and Tru64 (and the associated software products)I into a development and sales company owned by CMGI, that company would belL allowed to agressively price and market the products, and Comapq retains the  good stuff from the maintenance.  M Spinning off VMS would be seen as an attempt to boost it back up. Selling VMS.R would be seen as trying to get rid of something that isn't critical or profitable.  M When 3com spun off Palm, it certaintly wasn't because Palm wasn't profitable.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:10:38 -0400+ From: "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> " Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?/ Message-ID: <sefo86qieop113@corp.supernews.com>   2 Re JF MEzei -Now  in this scenario - I would agree  J Fatally flawed information - Sir - I think your guess is as good as mine !    H But does no-one think that another vendor might make a bid for the whole thinga  > AT&T were very very interested in the mid 90's were they not ?  ) I heard that Siemens were interested too.p  J There's gotta be someone out there who can enlighten us - would be a great stock tip too !    :0)   : David T.- Just trying to see which way the market is going      = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee) news:38E7D45F.F26463D7@vl.videotron.ca...  > David Turner wrote:4 > >zF > > All said and done - it certainly seems as though the Almighty Q is panninggL > > for one it's fellow demi-gods and will undoubtedly dump it's last trusty > > disciple, VMS  > >s > > Who's gonna buy it ? > I > I would think it more likely for Compaq to spin off the VMS/True64 (and4G > assiciated software products) into a company partly onwed by CMGI. Ite would beE > the logical thing to do. It would remain under the Compaq umbrella,. ensuringK > that customers continue to buy support from Compaq, yet would give it theEC > independance to market agressively etc. (As well as giving a lessf proprietaryoH > appearance since other makers of Alpha boxes could also sell VMS etc.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:59:22 -0400k0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?/ Message-ID: <38E7ECC0.60B302C9@vl.videotron.ca>f   David Turner wrote:gJ > But does no-one think that another vendor might make a bid for the whole > thingt  L Consider that nobody wanted Pfeiffer's job. Why would anyone want to buy the outfit ?  K VMS has no market value because it have been burried by Gartner many times.\M You'd need some pretty saavy person who knows the potential of VMS to see the K untapped value in Compaq. Of the few who know of VMS and are rich enough, IuH think that almost all have vested interests which would be incompatible.  P Larry Ellison wouldn't want to jeoperdize Sun and NT sales by owning VMS/Compaq.> Richard Branson already has deals with Microsoft unfortunatly.' Steve Jobs is not permanently at Apple.,  K Only an evangelist is capable of reviving VMS. Someone with a vision, money  and leadership.h  E Now, lets speculate: Assume Bill Gates is forced to sell his stake in M Microsoft. He decides to buy VMS from Compaq. And market VMS like mad to killeL Windows. Would you still be comfortable running critical applications on VMSL if VMS were purchased by Bill Gates ? Would Bill Gates lower the quality for< VMS or would he be happy to finally have a quality product ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:23:58 -0500) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> " Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?7 Message-ID: <1e7f01bf9d13$ad3c68a0$020a0a0a@xile.realm>j  : From: Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.organization> wrote:  @ > In article <sefd0iqfeop106@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner"" <d_b_turner@yahoo.company> writes: >4K > > From this time last year, every dealer in the US and Europe were tryingi to" > > buy USED VMS ALpha's and Vaxen > > K > > Now, the mostpart are buying Proliants and the base Tru64 Alpha systems  > >3 > > What's gonna happen ?  > >a >i> > I didn't know used AlphaServers running Tru64 were different: > than used AlphaServers running VMS.  How does that work? > ? > What's the biggest use of used machines anyhow?  Y2K testing?a  J How about emergency spare machines?  The natural disasters and flooding ofI last year wiped out a few computer centers, and replacement machines wereiC needed.  It also got more people thinking about having spare sites..  I When you have a computer room full of equipment to replace, a used dealer + can ship it in faster from their inventory.   L I have also heard that the remaining new VAXen were also selling at a higher rate than projected last year.  L How many of these purchases last year by the dealers were for real customersK or for speculation?  A 1 year old VAX in inventory will not lose it's value " as fast as a Pentium based system.  I A healthy market for used Proliants and any ALPHA systems sounds good foruH Compaq in any case.  If there is demand for the used gear, it means that) customers are satisfied with the product.    -Johnt wb8ytw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:04:28 -0400h0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: Suggestion for authorizee/ Message-ID: <38E7EDF1.10AF7E20@vl.videotron.ca>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:D > For a collection of users not easily identifiable (hundreds of UAFE > records), increase process quotas to certain minimum values without I > depriving accounts which already have quotas in excess of the minimums.s   $allin1/NOINITM for UAI$ with .WSQUOTA LT 15000 DO WRITE CHANGE UAI$ %key=.%KEY,WSQUOTA=15000b  Q That would raise WSQUOTA to 15000 for all users whose WSQUOTA is lower than 15000 , You can select the records on any UAF field.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:23:56 -04002 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>% Subject: Re: Suggestion for authorizew7 Message-ID: <200004022323_MC2-9FA1-5838@compuserve.com>t    Message text written by JF Mezei >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:oD > For a collection of users not easily identifiable (hundreds of UAFE > records), increase process quotas to certain minimum values without-J > depriving accounts which already have quotas in excess of the minimums.=     $allin1/NOINIT4 for UAI$ with .WSQUOTA LT 15000 DO WRITE CHANGE UAI$ %key=3D.%KEY,WSQUOTA=3D15000  J That would raise WSQUOTA to 15000 for all users whose WSQUOTA is lower th= an 15000 , You can select the records on any UAF field.   <T  G         Can't you achieve the same effect with SYSGEN PQL parameters? =    PQL_MWSQUOTA=3D15000# should do the job with less effort.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:00:52 -0500 + From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <nospam@please.com>s Subject: Re: SYS$SYSTEM usageb+ Message-ID: <8c2at6$179$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>r  @ JF Mezei wrote in message <38E20813.1B20A193@vl.videotron.ca>...  C > What do the VMS engineers think about third party use of the SYS$T
 directories ?w    K We really don't care ;-)  But seriously, as long as you make sure to pick am namespace unlikelyJ to conflict with VMS -- have at it.  In hindsight, it might have been nice to have a user/3rd party area in the search lists.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:03:15 -0500k* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>9 Subject: Re: VMS today: % users x-widnows vs VT terminals - Message-ID: <38E43193.7C3BAFE2@tsoft-inc.com>e   Wayne Sewell wrote:  > [ > In article <38E369ED.C2E7A188@ccinet.ab.ca>, Gord Coulman <gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca> writes: S > > The first thing I do in an X environment is open up a terminal window.  I agreecT > > it's nice to be able to have multiple terminal windows and size them, etc, but IS > > can do that with a terminal emulator as well.  X seems like a lot of effort forn= > > minimal returns, unless you have an app that requires it.h > >e > O > I find the ability to roll back decterms to see lines that have been scrolledeM > off the screen one of the most important features.  Can any of the straighteN > terminal emulators do this?  The real terminals they are emulating certainly > can't.  N SmarTerm, and others, has a buffer, and you can allocate as much memory as youM want to the buffer.  You can then scrool back hundreds or thousands of lines.-  P Hey, I'm no PC fan, but take a rather inexpensive PC, I'm running a DEC 3500 333K MHz P-II with 96 MB of memory.  (More than on most of the VMS systems, talkaP about a hog.)  Put a decent terminal emulator on it and with a few exceptions isN beats a VT terminal.  I have a 21 inch color screen.  White on blue is easy onP the eyes.  I can scrool back a thousand lines or more, I can cut/copy and paste,K and I have retained the VT-500 series keyboard.  A few function and numericiO keypad keys are not mapped correctly, but I believe they could be, I'm just toorP lazy.  For this purpose it's a better VT terminal.  Of course, if I had to use aO peecee keyboard you'd hear a different story.  (You got to wonder, watching alleG the keyboard design advances through the 80s, just to revert to junk on % peecees!  One of my biggest bitches!)r  P Being able to run mess office and netscape on the 'user interface' doesn't hurt.  O I consider the Win95 machine a user interface, not a computer.  I hate PCs, but ! I'm not gonna be stupid about it.f  L > Also, the ability to cut and paste between decterms is extremely useful asM > well.  Since the decterms in question could be on different computers, this5P > could be considered a poor man's sysman "do" command.  In other words, you canP > paste the command into windows on different nonclustered systems and issue the > command on each. > O > True, I am talking about decterms directly on a vms system, but you should bed+ > able to do the same stuff with x on a pc.n >    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comX Vanderbilt, PA  15486t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:01:10 +0100n' From: "LJEB" <LJEB@somewhere.out.there>t9 Subject: Re: VMS today: % users x-widnows vs VT terminals	) Message-ID: <8c20hr$p02$1@soap.pipex.net>    >eF > I find the ability to roll back decterms to see lines that have been scrolledD > off the screen one of the most important features.  Can any of the straightD > terminal emulators do this?  The real terminals they are emulating	 certainlyI > can't. >wL > Also, the ability to cut and paste between decterms is extremely useful asH > well.  Since the decterms in question could be on different computers, thisL > could be considered a poor man's sysman "do" command.  In other words, you candL > paste the command into windows on different nonclustered systems and issue the- > command on each. >  > L > True, I am talking about decterms directly on a vms system, but you should be+ > able to do the same stuff with x on a pc.e >s  I I use Pericom's Teemtalk TT320W emulator from a PC running NT. As well aseK being able to all the thing you stated above. I like being able to set saveRJ the terminal setup to be 132 column with 50 lines. Then I just have a "setJ term/inquire" in my login.com, and VMS then knows about it so TPU and such work with this setup.f  H The only thing about this setup I think could be better, is the emulatorH could be based on a VT420 in place of the VT320, as the VT320 had/has an inferior font.  	 Laurence.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:32:25 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>l9 Subject: Re: VMS today: % users x-widnows vs VT terminals0) Message-ID: <38E49AD9.E087104B@bbc.co.uk>p   Wayne Sewell wrote:   [ > In article <38E369ED.C2E7A188@ccinet.ab.ca>, Gord Coulman <gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca> writes:uS > > The first thing I do in an X environment is open up a terminal window.  I agreesT > > it's nice to be able to have multiple terminal windows and size them, etc, but IS > > can do that with a terminal emulator as well.  X seems like a lot of effort fora= > > minimal returns, unless you have an app that requires it.s > >o >cO > I find the ability to roll back decterms to see lines that have been scrollednM > off the screen one of the most important features.  Can any of the straightoN > terminal emulators do this?  The real terminals they are emulating certainly > can't.  M WRQ Reflections does have scrolly bars, and does a good job with them, unlikee other emulators I have tried.-  O > True, I am talking about decterms directly on a vms system, but you should beg+ > able to do the same stuff with x on a pc.S >    Yup, thats what I do.4   > --  6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uky  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:48:55 -0500'* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>5 Subject: Re: Weird power problem on an Alpha 3000-600o- Message-ID: <38E42E37.8D87275E@tsoft-inc.com>u   Stan Schwarz wrote:2 > N > We have a 1994-vintage Alpha 3000-600 running here.  It is currently runningM > VMS 7.2.  Last night, we had a weird problem that I've never seen the likesb > of before. > K > About 12:20AM, the machine died.  It just keeled over dead.  Someone cameoJ > in to have a look at it.  It looked like it was powered off, even thoughM > the switch was in the 'on' position.  No lights, fans, or any sign of life.iK > This morning when I got here, I had a look.  The power would not come on.'D > Tried a different outlet, different power cord, reseated the powerL > cord in the socket.  Finally, I dissected the machine to see if there wereK > any burnt smells inside the case.  There were none.  But when I hooked it"I > up to power on the test bench, it came back to life.  We put it back insH > the rack, and it booted up like nothing had happened.  Has anyone ever! > seen anything like this before?/ > 	 > Thanks.I >  > --L > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------J > Stan                 |    "Recess is over in the playpen of the damned."< > stan@cco.caltech.edu |                      --Bill MargoldL > > http://www-socal.wr.usgs.gov/stans -------------------------------------  M Had an AlphaStation 200 that would periodically shut off.  Tried all kinds ofiN stuff.  Finally took apart the power supply.  Of the 2 pins that plug into theP power cable, one was not soldered to it's connector, but was just hanging there,M normally touching the connector, but sometimes not.  Touch of solder and it'sn& Ok.  This took months to find and fix.  P Not saying that's your problem.  Just saying to suspect everything, and to debug1 one piece at a time.  Might be simple, might not.y   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.coml Vanderbilt, PA  15486o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.186 ************************