1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 05 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 190       Contents: Re: 2 microVAX II questions  Re: 2 microVAX II questions  Re: Accounting Utility1 Re: create your own personal SYS$COMMON directory  Re: Debunking the B2B hype8 Re: DECevent ... (was anal/err on 7.2). Multiple copies.8 Re: DECevent ... (was anal/err on 7.2). Multiple copies.9 Re: DECnet Node Registration (was: It's very hard for me)  DS20 ADDON CPU FOR SALE 1 For Sale: Digital Ultimate Workstat. Dual 533 CPU  FW: Microsoft ruling* Re: Hoff's Email Address No Longer Valid ? Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: It's very hard for me & Re: method for "reply to all" in MAIL?& Re: method for "reply to all" in MAIL? Re: Microsoft ruling Re: Microsoft ruling Re: Microsoft ruling RE: Microsoft ruling Re: Microsoft ruling Re: Microsoft ruling Microvax 3100 CDROM offline  Re: Old vax * Re: old vs. new IRON (Was FS: Digital VAX) OT: Microsoft ruling Re: OT: Microsoft ruling Re: OT: Microsoft ruling Re: Pro*C on VMS Re: Pro*C on VMS. Re: Q : Automatic installation tool in OpenVMS Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000  Re: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000  Re: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000  Re: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000   serial ports on VAXstation 3500?$ Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500?$ Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500?$ Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500? Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  split large files 
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 Re: ZIP/UNZIP   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2000 21:05:01 GMT & From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>$ Subject: Re: 2 microVAX II questions) Message-ID: <8cb11t$13g$1@kadath.deep.it>   3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:   @ >   Here are the KA630 self-test codes used for the countdown...  B Is there a full archive of all test codes used in all VAXen, maybe5 somewhere in the VAX Archive or at telnet.hu/hamster?   	 	booting,  	   Cthulhu    --    G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! % 		       <cthulhu at flashnet dot it>    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 18:10:25 GMT , From: lukasz@mbi.ucla.edu (Lukasz Salwinski)$ Subject: Re: 2 microVAX II questions3 Message-ID: <8cdb6h$dbg$1@carroll.library.ucla.edu>   C >Is there a full archive of all test codes used in all VAXen, maybe 6 >somewhere in the VAX Archive or at telnet.hu/hamster? > 
 >	booting, >	   Cthulhu    B hamster's got the list that popped up here (minus the A code i was pondering about) at:  + http://www.telnet.hu/hamster/dr/ka630.html    # as well as lists for KA650 & KA655       lukasz   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:33:23 +1000/ From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au>  Subject: Re: Accounting Utility 3 Message-ID: <sRvG4.62664$3b6.242991@ozemail.com.au>   C Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote in message E news:Pine.LNX.4.10.10004041606480.22000-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl... ( > On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Phil Howell wrote: > ? > +Dick Adams <adams.dick.rc@bhp.com.au> wrote in message [...]  > +> Hi everyone, G > +>     I want to create some reports from the accounting file but the D > +>accounting utility doesn't seem to be able to do everything that > +>I (might) want to do.  > < > (IMHO better may be, if you say a word what you supose...) > [...] I > +There was a utility called 'sysuaf' on old decus software distribution  > 
 >  Phil !!+ >  ACCOUNTING report, not user management !  > C >  Sure, from user management code the account name and accjobquota ? > can be set for any username, but that probably not enought ;) 9 >  Account is a VMS feature *differrent* than username :) K I really should read the messages before replying to what I thought it said  :)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:36:19 -0500) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> : Subject: Re: create your own personal SYS$COMMON directory. Message-ID: <sefphosleop38@corp.supernews.com>  ; JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:38E6F371.6BF40535@vl.videotron.ca...  > "John E. Malmberg" wrote: H > > Inviting auditors in on a system that you know should fail is a good methodG > > of career suicide.  Not only will the local management love you for  making: > > them look bad, any deficiencies will be blamed on you.  H Obviously the priorities on some type of systems like financial ones are different than in others.   L > If you set it up properly, both management and auditors will see the audit asH > an exercise to improve the system instead pointing/blaming the faults.  G That is a big * IF *.  To set it up properly you need to be allowed to. L When you come in as a late member of the team, and the vendor is looking forI a scape goat as to why the project is not going well, they quickly try to  put a target on your back.  I What you describe is probably the way that it should be, not the way that  things are.   I As I pointed out, the system is usually set up before they get in someone % that understands computer management.   I The priorities are having the machine make parts at it's specified rates, - and that it be running on the specified date.   L The vendor will lie to the customer, and will lie to you.  After you show upJ on site, they will try to pin any failures on you, so every change must goE through a maze of change control procedures, with the vendors goal of K getting the change postponed until it is forgotton.  And all the while they * will be trying to attack your credibillty.  F It is amazing that some vendors will go through so much work to avoideK making a simple fix.  It usually turns out that someones ego is bruised too + much that a bug was found in their program.   H Problems that do not directly cause the machine to fail will be ignored.J The person that insists on bringing them up, will also be ignored and if a$ contractor, likely to be terminated.  H > With the recent attacks on some e-commerce sites, it becomes easier to; > sensitise management on the need to have proper security.   I That argument would not work.  In these enviroments, most of these people H believe that no one would ever tamper with these machines, and they also; beleive that they are not connected to any outside network.   J The simple fact of the matter is that any site is more likely to encounterK an internal accident that destroys data, then it is to be attacked from the I outside.  The same precautions are needed for both in most cases.  Do you G want to tell a paying customer that their people are likely to cause an L accident by having high privilege levels?  Or do you just make sure that you have good backup tapes.   I As long as the systems are not directly connected to a phone line, or the J Internet, management believes that they are safe.  And as far as intruders go they are most likely right.  L But you must understand the problem with telling the paying customer that heJ and his staff that just came back from a training junket that they did not seem to learn anything.   J Even after removing the "MOUNT/SYSTEM DUA2:" from SYCONFIG.COM twice.  Try# running AUTOGEN after that is done.   L If you can keep them from putting stuff in SYS$SYSROOT:, you are miles ahead in getting the system stable.    > J > > It can take a lot of work and testing to determine what privileges areI > > really needed and what privileges are not.  If the application vendor  does( > > not know, how could an auditor know? > L > If the application vendor says that his app needs SYSPRV, then install the app I > with it instead of granting all users that priv. At the very least, you  can B > document that this privilege was required by the application for
 underminedK > reasons and that pressure should be applied to the vendor to document why  each > priv is needed.   K That is something that would require the application vendor to change their L installation and startup code.  And that is something that they refuse to do# with out an expensive change order.   L In one case the SYSPRV requirement was traced down to them protecting a fileI that should have been world read only was set to SYSTEM access only.  The F application did not need it, it was some unknown person tampering with protection of standard files.   - It is very easy to run afoul of the politics.   I > A system manager has to know his system and that includes the apps that  run on > it.   I Yes, I fully understand with what you are saying, and I agree with almost G all of it.  The reality is that implementing it in many environments is 3 politically unacceptable and can be career suicide.   L At least VMS can be configured to tell you what happened and give you a good# post mortem and ability to recover.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network not representing anyone.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:49:07 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com># Subject: Re: Debunking the B2B hype * Message-ID: <38E87723.4DA8542D@uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   O > Most companies wishing to cause a rise in their stock price will  make a news I > release that they are somehow involved in a B2B scheme on the internet.  > L > I am curious, how is B2B implemented ? Is it just fancy web sites designedN > using standard storefront software but focusing on business goods/services ?L > Or are there established protocols that enable a business to automatically5 > transmit purchases to a supplier via the Internet ?  >   A If you want a good example of a B2B infrastructure framework then  look at    http://www.indentrus.com  F Identrus is an organisation set up and owned by a number of the worlds largest banks.     > M > If there is an established protocol, does it involve any EDI standards ? Or . > are they transmitted as HTTP POST requests ?  H There are lots of methods of implimenting B2B transactions, most big ERP+ products have EDI interfaces as an example.   I The real issues are establishing identity (Is the supplier a real company  do they really supply widgets)Q Establishing trust (Is the supplier financially sound, is the purchaser the same)  SecurityI Warrantry/Letter of Credit (Can an external organisation e.g bank provide ( a guarantee for high value transactions)   > R > OR are we just talkin of schemes whereas a company now accepts orders by email ? > E > How much of B2B is hype and how much is new software/applications ?   M There is hype, but the Identrus LLC system actually exists. This isn't to say O that the Identrus banks all have Identrus compliant services available yet, but N you can buy the technology required to impliment an Identrus compliant system.     Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:02:29 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> A Subject: Re: DECevent ... (was anal/err on 7.2). Multiple copies. . Message-ID: <sekjvc1veop77@corp.supernews.com>   Mr. Jacobi,   0 In a previous posting to COMP.OS.VMS you stated;  D     If you have any further questions and comments, please post them hereE     and I will forward them to the Product Manager.  Note that due of  busyF     schedules, I cannot guarantee that all questions and comments will be
     answered.   ? Since then I have posted two messages to COMP.OS.VMS under your B message and also another message title "Re: Spin down hard disk onF idle VMS system" where I have outlined some of my problems with CompaqA Analyze. I realize that you may be busy and may have not seen the E original postings so I am CC'ing you on this posting. Luckily for me, B this is a test box and I do not consider any of these issues to be? critical at this time. If these situations were happening on my A production ES40 then I would definitely be taking this up with my C local support people rather than this public forum. If you prefer I B will log these under a support call, please let me know if that isE better. In the meantime, here is my latest reason to hate the letters  "CA."    Peter Weaver   *******************   F We put the latest version of CA AdviseIT on our ES40 test galaxy. This< is the same galaxy that we have Compaq Analyze installed on.  A The person checking out CA AdviseIT called to say that nothing he E tried could get the CPU's busy enough to make his testing graphs look F interesting, so he asked me if I could make the CPU's look busy. Fine,B no problem, I ran Compaq Analyze to bring the galaxy to its knees.  C Then I saw that CA reported two "VMS Crash Restart Event[s]" when I  tried the SUMM command.   )         $ ca summ sys$errorlog:errlog.sys          sys$errorlog:errlog.sys (             12    VMS Device Error Event*             11    VMS Volume Mount Message(              5    VMS Time Stamp Message)              2    VMS Crash Restart Event .              1    VMS New File Created Message;              2    VMS Cold Start (i.e. System Boot) Message %              2    Configuration Event          Ending process...   F So I decided that this would be a good test for CA (Compaq Analyze) toE see what it would tell me. I tried the CA ANALYZE command making sure = I directed it at SYS$ERRORLOG:ERRLOG.SYS. This is the result;   ,         $ ca analyze sys$errorlog:errlog.sys         $ dir/sinc  )         Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[PWEAVER]   >         ERR_JUNK.TXT;54             1   4-APR-2000 13:05:39.27>         ERR_JUNK.TXT;53             1   4-APR-2000 13:05:20.59  #         Total of 2 files, 2 blocks.          $ ty err_junk.txt          %X00000001	         $   E So this tells me NOTHING, HOW THE *%(#^%$(*# DO I USE THIS TO SEE WHY D THE MACHINE CRASHED USING A COMMAND LINE INTERFACE? Shouldn't the CAE ANALYZE command tell me *something* about the crash? The local theory B here is that the product was written by PC people who see a system crash as nothing critical   F I fired up my WEB browser and pointed it at port 7902 on this machine.@ There I saw the two "crash restart" errors, when I went into the details I saw;  +         Process_Name         PSDC$DC_SERVER B         Crash_Code_String    SSRVEXCEPT, Unexpected system service	 exception    So now I am being CA'd squared.   E BTW We have logged a support call with CA, it appears that the system > crashes shortly after we define the logical PSDC$TIMER_DRIVER.      ! Peter Weaver wrote in message ... " >Peter Weaver wrote in message ...D >>Paul A. Jacobi wrote in message <8braq9$chs$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>...E >>>    Here is a list of recent questions and comments about DECevent  >>and C >>>    Compaq Analayze.  The answers and responses were provided by  the 3 >>>    DECevent and Compaq Analyze Product Manager.  >>> B >>>    If you have any further questions and comments, please post them >>hereE >>>    and I will forward them to the Product Manager.  Note that due  >of  >>busyD >>>    schedules, I cannot guarantee that all questions and comments
 >>will  be >>>    answered. >> >>>... >> >> >> ...# >>$ ca summ sys$errorlog:errlog.sys  >>sys$errorlog:errlog.sys " >>    20    VMS Device Error Event' >>     3    VMS Volume Dismount Message $ >>     6    VMS Volume Mount Message" >>     4    VMS Time Stamp Message( >>     1    VMS New File Created Message >>Ending process... & >>$ ca analyze sys$errorlog:errlog.sys >>$  >> >  >  >OK, my latest installment;  > > >I have been connected to HTTP://nodename:7902 since some time< >yesterday morning. I am on a page that is titled "localhostB >(OpenVMS)." Every 10 minutes a new timestamp entry appears on the >screen. > ; >After a while the following items appeared in the browser;  > A >123.      ds20.errlog reports Problem Found: Memory Channel Link / >Transmit Error at Wed Mar 29 13:53:19 EST 2000 F >124.      ds20.errlog reports Problem Found: Control Packet Heartbeat. >Timeout Error at Wed Mar 29 13:53:19 EST 2000B >125.      ds20.errlog reports Problem Found: Memory Channel Phase Lock+ >Loop Error at Wed Mar 29 13:53:19 EST 2000r >126.      ds20.errlog >CE >Where entry 126 came from I do not know. It mentions "DS20" but I amlE >on an ES40. Entries 123 through 125 all show me that the nodename is D >"sabl28," I do not have any node name "sabl28" anywhere that I knowC >of. All three of these entries report "Local Time of Event: Thu, 8. Apr 9 >1999 15:45:38 -0400" (yes, 1999 that was not a typo) yet ; >SYS$ERRORLOG:ERRLOG.SYS has a created date of 14-MAR-2000.V > / >When I click on entry 126 I see the following;V > E >1.  Tru64 UNIX CAM Event at Thu Apr 08 15:43:17 EDT 1999 from sabl28aC >2.  Tru64 UNIX Asychronous Device Attention at Thu Apr 08 15:45:38u EDT  >1999 from sabl28gC >3.  Tru64 UNIX Panic ASCII Message at Thu Apr 08 15:45:38 EDT 1999e >from sabl28C >4.  Tru64 UNIX Asychronous Device Attention at Thu Apr 08 15:45:40N EDT  >1999 from sabl28T >iD >As far as I am aware, we do not have any Tru64 machines anywhere onF >this network. Where are these errors coming from? - Wait a minute. AsC >I was creating this message I decided to take a look at something.0 >Yesterday morning I renamed: >SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.COMPAQ.SVCTOOLS.CA]EXAMPLES.DIR to beC >SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.COMPAQ.SVCTOOLS.CA]EXAMPLES_KEEP.DIR because IsC >noticed that CA ANALYZE keep trying to read in the examples ratheroE >than default to the correct errorlog. I have verified that am on the ; >node that is in the SYS0 tree. I just took a look and saw;  >w@ >Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.COMPAQ.SVCTOOLS.CA.EXAMPLES_KEEP] > 6 >DS20.ERRLOG;1              4   2-FEB-2000 15:29:50.00 >i >Total of 1 file, 4 blocks.e > D >Dumping that file shows me the text "sabl28." So I must assume thatD >somehow CA decided to read in an example errorlog and show it to me asD >real data! PLEASE TELL ME THAT SOMEHOW I HAVE A PRE-BETA COPY OF CA ONB >THIS SYSTEM AND THAT THIS WILL **NEVER** HAPPEN ONCE THE SHIPPING >PRODUCT IS INSTALLED! > E >I am on an ES40 running VMS 7.2-1, the svctools_home:[bin]CA_cmd.exen! >image shows me this information;K >0( >                image name: "DESTA_CMD"2 >                image file identification: "V1.0"4 >                image file build identification: ""8 >                link date/time:  2-FEB-2000 16:59:58.790 >                linker identification: "A11-47" >i@ >A thought occurred to me last night while driving home; Are the peopleE >developing CA the same people who gave us DSN V2? These two productsi >must be related somehow.) >u >c
 >Peter WeaverA >I   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:44:03 -0400/ From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com>VA Subject: Re: DECevent ... (was anal/err on 7.2). Multiple copies.?+ Message-ID: <8cdkk2$aes$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>   D I have forwarded all recent comments from this newsgroup back to theF Compaq Analyze and Decevent product manager.  If I receive a response, I will post it back here.   D If your issues have not been addressed here, I suggest you follow-up* through normal problem reporting channels.      G Paul A. Jacobi                                             Phone: (603)2 884-1948B Compaq Computer Corporation                  FAX  : (603) 884-0189A OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14   Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.comy 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 17:58:04 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)B Subject: Re: DECnet Node Registration (was: It's very hard for me)6 Message-ID: <8cdafc$k3l$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <38EA2872.62B04313@sainsel.es>, Ildefonso Junquero <junquero@sainsel.es> writes:o  A   Please pick a title relevent to the question, to better attract A   the attention of the folks that know the answer and thus to gets(   you your answer more quickly.  Thanks!  G :    It's very hard for me to remember how does vms work, so I'll be innE :this group for some days until I finish to configure my 8 new Compaqf :OpenVMS workstations.  A   If these systems are new, I will assume OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 orhA   OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1.  I will further assume that these systemsrB   are using DECnet-Plus, which is the default DECnet transport for   these OpenVMS releases.p  D :    First of all, I need to copy some files from an old workstation/ :fully configured to a new recently configured.> :o< :    I want to copy file1.txt from WS1 to WS2 by the command :h* :    copy file1.txt WS2"USER"::sys$update: :n5 :    where USER is a configured with no password userd    C   And where WS2:: has a DECnet proxy set up for WS1::WS1user set up '   via the AUTHORIZE utility, obviously.c    I :    but when I enter the command above in WS1 I get the following resultl : H :    %COPY-E-OPENOUT, error opening WS2"USER"::SYS$MANAGER:[]FILE1.TXT;1 :       as outputt' :    -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failednB :    -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachableJ :    %COPY-W-NOTCOPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000.SIMTO]FILE1.TXT;1 not copied :h7 :    this is the output of  mc ncp show node WS2 on WS1o   ..  ' :    but when i try to add WS1 on WS2 :e :i :NCP>define node 1.10 name WS1    C   I will assume both systems are using DECnet-Plus.  If so, please aB   use the DECNET_REGISTER.EXE tool, not NCP, to register the nodes@   in the local database.  (Most small networks typically use theC   local database for DECnet node registration, rather than the DNS     database.)  B   If you are not sure what DECnet Phase you are using, use the DCL@   command SHOW SYSTEM to see if the node has a NET$ACP or NETACPE   process. The former process name indicates DECnet-Plus, the latter oD   DECnet Phase IV.  You can also use the f$getsyi("DECNET_VERSION") F   value, looking at the low byte of the upper word for the particular    DECnet phase...  For example:    $ x=f$getsyi("DECnet_Version") $ sho sym x    X = "0005xxxx" $ x=f$getsyi("DECnet_Version") $ sho sym x    X = "0004xxxx" $l  B   The former is DECnet-Plus, the latter indicates DECnet Phase IV.C   The value in the lower word -- "xxxx" in the above example -- is l"   not relevent to this discussion.  + :    The OpenVMS Version is 7.2-1 (I think)h  C   The top line of the SHOW SYSTEM output will indicate the version.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:53:30 -0400+ From: "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com>a  Subject: DS20 ADDON CPU FOR SALE- Message-ID: <sel3g39ueop6@corp.supernews.com>   L I thought this would be the best place to post this as comp.sys.dec seems to concentrate on older stuff  < We pulled this out of an almost new ds20 (same as ds20e cpu)  : it was an smp upgrade but we can't find the license for it  / anyhow - make offers above $4000 (list is $8k+)    Davida Island Computers us corporationl Tel: 912 447 6622y Toll Free 877 636 4DEC -- David Turner Island Computers US Corporatione 2700 Gregory Streeto Savannah GA 31404l Tel: 912 447 6622n Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:45:27 -0400+ From: "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com>p: Subject: For Sale: Digital Ultimate Workstat. Dual 533 CPU/ Message-ID: <sel30vqgeop133@corp.supernews.com>e   Coming in this weeka   2 x 533Mhz CPU's 512mb memory CD-ROM
 No OS Licenset   Price $3500n   Only have 2 so let us know   Davidy Island Computers US Corporationf Toll Free: 877 636 4DECe USA 00 1 912 447 6622g         -- David Turner Island Computers US Corporationn 2700 Gregory Streete Savannah GA 31404e Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:57:07 -0400# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>i Subject: FW: Microsoft rulingl: Message-ID: 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Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:27:50 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>a3 Subject: Re: Hoff's Email Address No Longer Valid ?t+ Message-ID: <8cdj4m$9pt$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>s  	 Hi Jerry.r  8 Everyone in Compaq can be found by First.Last@compaq.com  J the routers that handled the old internal names are gone, but you can send: to the IP address if you know it - probably something like hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.com   _Fred   < Jerry Leslie wrote in message <8cd3h4$bg5$1@joe.rice.edu>... >  /home/leslie> date  >  Tue Apr  4 10:45:31 CDT 2000( >.4 >  /home/leslie> Mail -v hoffman@xdelta.enet.dec.com >  Subject: Ignore - Test Email./ >  Will this message bounce with host unknown ?  >  .) >  leslie... setsender: uid/gid = 403/100lJ >  hoffman@xdelta.enet.dec.com... Connecting to xdelta.enet.dec.com.tcp...L >  hoffman@xdelta.enet.dec.com... Connecting to xdelta.enet.dec.com (tcp)...J >  hoffman@xdelta.enet.dec.com... Host unknown: A file descriptor does not >   refer to an open file.- >  Saving message in /home/leslie/dead.letter_# >  /home/leslie/dead.letter... Sent0 >  /home/leslie> > : >  /home/leslie> nslookup xdelta.enet.dec.com  crl.dec.com >  Server:  crl.dec.com  >  Address:  192.58.206.2T >GF >  *** crl.dec.com can't find xdelta.enet.dec.com: Non-existent domain > 9 >  /home/leslie> nslookup xdelta.enet.dec.com  ns.dec.come >  Server:  ns.dec.com >  Address:  204.123.2.42  >eE >  *** ns.dec.com can't find xdelta.enet.dec.com: Non-existent domain  >n >i5 >--Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:03:35 GMTs/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>  Subject: Inform & VMSDF Message-ID: <b0rG4.3017$X21.143494@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  J I just got my latest copy of  Compaq's INFORM magazine.  Now admittedly, II just skimmed it, but it wasn't unitl I got to the insert between pages 42 0 and 43 that I even found the letters VMS at all.  H I did finally find a 2 page article with an interview with Rich MarcelloJ (which is still talking about that northern lights ad).  There was nothingK new in there.  It used to be that you could at least find information aboutmD VMS in the DECpaq private magazines that no one outside the existing customer base would read.y  @ I think I need to learn more about that wonderful  Windows 2000.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:36:20 -0400  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: Re: Inform & VMSs4 Message-ID: <C22568B7.006AE9FE.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   This should improve your day.e  $ The Spring issue of OpenVMS Times is: now up on the web site in PDF and PS format and soon HTML.  B     <URL:  http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/index.html>          4 jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net on 04/04/2000 03:03:35 PM   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc:i Subject:  Inform & VMS        J I just got my latest copy of  Compaq's INFORM magazine.  Now admittedly, II just skimmed it, but it wasn't unitl I got to the insert between pages 42n0 and 43 that I even found the letters VMS at all.  H I did finally find a 2 page article with an interview with Rich MarcelloJ (which is still talking about that northern lights ad).  There was nothingK new in there.  It used to be that you could at least find information aboutaD VMS in the DECpaq private magazines that no one outside the existing customer base would read.l  @ I think I need to learn more about that wonderful  Windows 2000.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 20:50:21 GMTy* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: Inform & VMS6. Message-ID: <8cdkid$btq$1@info.service.rug.nl>  4 In article <C22568B7.006AE9FE.00@jklh21.valmet.com>,# norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:     > This should improve your day." > & > The Spring issue of OpenVMS Times is< > now up on the web site in PDF and PS format and soon HTML. > D >     <URL:  http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/index.html>   $ sea openvmstimes*.ps creator   ******************************( DISK$USER:[HELBIG.LYNX]OPENVMSTIMES.PS;1   %%Creator: Windows NT 4.0    ******************************+ DISK$USER:[HELBIG.LYNX]OPENVMSTIMES_V1.PS;1U   %%Creator: Windows NT 4.0i   :-)h  E I've been telling the world Intel's production line runs on VAXen.  I E don't want the world to tell me that the OpenVMS Times is produced on  NT!   G While browsing through some new Compaq documentation, I recognised the iI friendly traditional layout, but noticed that the fonts looked fuzzy and iG not as nice (this was an original, not a copy).  At the front, it says s4 no longer produced by VAXdocument, but by WORD.  :-(   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:07:49 -05001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>A Subject: Re: Inform & VMS.8 Message-ID: <8cdlcs$cbd$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  I I too found the VMS news kinda skimpy and stale and sent Rich Marcello ani" email expressing these sentiments.   Dave...   8 John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message@ news:b0rG4.3017$X21.143494@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...L > I just got my latest copy of  Compaq's INFORM magazine.  Now admittedly, IK > just skimmed it, but it wasn't unitl I got to the insert between pages 42w2 > and 43 that I even found the letters VMS at all. >tJ > I did finally find a 2 page article with an interview with Rich MarcelloL > (which is still talking about that northern lights ad).  There was nothingG > new in there.  It used to be that you could at least find informations aboutbF > VMS in the DECpaq private magazines that no one outside the existing > customer base would read.  > B > I think I need to learn more about that wonderful  Windows 2000. >  >l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:04:03 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>i Subject: Re: Inform & VMSt( Message-ID: <8cdoq0$s5e$1@pyrite.mv.net>  B That will improve my day only if I don't find other Compaq systemsI flagrantly promoted inside and do find substantial information about VMS. J And it still won't improve my day all that much until I see far more equalH treatment of VMS in other areas (Inform being a particularly conspicuousK one, ads being another) that make some pretense of being Compaq-OS-neutral.z  @ But I suppose I should take a look before being too pessimistic.   - bill  - <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> wrote in messagee. news:C22568B7.006AE9FE.00@jklh21.valmet.com... >e >  > This should improve your day.a >e& > The Spring issue of OpenVMS Times is< > now up on the web site in PDF and PS format and soon HTML. > D >     <URL:  http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/index.html> >m >e >o >r >o6 > jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net on 04/04/2000 03:03:35 PM >r > To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.coma > cc:m > Subject:  Inform & VMS >  >h >  >0L > I just got my latest copy of  Compaq's INFORM magazine.  Now admittedly, IK > just skimmed it, but it wasn't unitl I got to the insert between pages 42e2 > and 43 that I even found the letters VMS at all. > J > I did finally find a 2 page article with an interview with Rich MarcelloL > (which is still talking about that northern lights ad).  There was nothingG > new in there.  It used to be that you could at least find informationf aboutlF > VMS in the DECpaq private magazines that no one outside the existing > customer base would read.h > B > I think I need to learn more about that wonderful  Windows 2000. >o >d >  >i >  >i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:21:22 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: Inform & VMSe0 Message-ID: <009E81EB.0B5434E4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <8cdkid$btq$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:,5 >In article <C22568B7.006AE9FE.00@jklh21.valmet.com>,l$ >norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:  >d  >> This should improve your day. >> r' >> The Spring issue of OpenVMS Times isp= >> now up on the web site in PDF and PS format and soon HTML.n >> eE >>     <URL:  http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/index.html>u >o >$ sea openvmstimes*.ps creator  >H >****************************** ) >DISK$USER:[HELBIG.LYNX]OPENVMSTIMES.PS;11 >g >%%Creator: Windows NT 4.0 >  >****************************** , >DISK$USER:[HELBIG.LYNX]OPENVMSTIMES_V1.PS;1 >o >%%Creator: Windows NT 4.0 >l >:-) >fF >I've been telling the world Intel's production line runs on VAXen.  IF >don't want the world to tell me that the OpenVMS Times is produced on >NT!   > H >While browsing through some new Compaq documentation, I recognised the J >friendly traditional layout, but noticed that the fonts looked fuzzy and H >not as nice (this was an original, not a copy).  At the front, it says 5 >no longer produced by VAXdocument, but by WORD.  :-(n  0 If it's postscript, it should matter, however...  F We recently held a christening and party for MicroVAX-IV.  Afterwards,F my wife wanted to send thank you notes to all the people that providedF gifts.  I scanned in a picture of Kevin, created an encapsulated post-F script file and used it to define a form for the postscript queue.  MyD wife did the card layout on the PC using Monopoly$chlock's publisherF program.  Very simple.  A large Thank you on the front in ZapfChancery+ @48 pts. and a simple personal text inside.e  G When she printed everything, I notice that the large "Thank you" on the H front was not a nice solid deep blue.  It looked more like it was "silk-H screened".  This sparked my curiosity so I took a look at the postscriptG this schlockware produced. For some strange reason, it produced a post-tH script halftone dictionary which define a 100/in.@45 deg. halftone type.G Strange this should be when the program was simply asked to write Thank- You in a 48 pt font.    H Anyway, a long dissertation to perhaps explain the "fuzzy" fonts you are seeing.M  H BTW, the portion of the Thank You note produced on VMS looked very nice.   --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:31:50 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>e Subject: Re: Inform & VMSm( Message-ID: <8ce4vk$b8o$1@pyrite.mv.net>  1 Hmmm.  (I say that a lot these days around here.)e  G Well, the OpenVMS Times page (like the root OpenVMS Web page) is a GoodtE Neighbor and contains links to Tru64, Himalaya, and Linux root pages.CD Unfortunately, only Linux returns the favor.  There are also severalK 'affinity'-type links that it would surprise me to find reciprocated on theaL NT side of the fence, but I really don't have the patience to research that.  I OpenVMS Times, though afflicted with marketing-speak, was at least prettyDJ much devoted to VMS.  Would have liked to see the list of Compaq offeringsH (page 3 of issue 1) include scalability and performance as VMS strengthsJ instead of leaving them to the Tru64 entry:  it's bad enough for Compaq toE segregate its products in little non-overlapping boxes in its generaluA presentations, and excluding such VMS strengths in a VMS-specific2I publication borders on ridiculous (though they are mentioned later in they text).  G Issue 1 gives a pointer to the 5-year rolling VMS road map, and Issue 2cE synopsizes that road map to some extent.  Unfortunately, the road map-K remains as unimpressive as ever:  release every 12 - 18 months (whether VMSeJ needs it or not), support new hardware, more Unix and NT affinity (whoops,K sorry - 'seamless integration' nowadays), and absolutely no new initiatives0J in core VMS facilities ('cause who could ever want more than VMS currentlyH provides, despite the fact that it's rapidly ceasing to be unique in theC industry?).  But that's a generic VMS issue:  OpenVMS Times is only2I whistling the same happy tune that Compaq as a whole uses whenever anyone  forces it to talk about VMS.  L The immediately following article continues in the same vein by stating thatE that VMS support for the XP1000 Workstation "continues to demonstrateGJ Compaq's ongoing commitment to invest in OpenVMS", when it would be a goodF deal more accurate to state that it simply demonstrates that VMS ain'tH dead - yet (I mean, why else would VMS *not* be supported on a new AlphaL workstation?).  God save us from marketeers, 'cause Compaq sure doesn't seemK inclined to.  That's then followed by the comment that the new workstationsXD also can run Tru64 and Linux, which seems just a bit gratuitous in aE VMS-specific publication that had, until that point, managed to avoid I plugging Compaq's other offerings (which sure never plug VMS in return) -5L but at least they didn't say "... just in case you might want to MIGRATE..."  K A minor glitch like the fact that the OpenVMS high-availability white paper H was in fact unavailable (at least at the URL provided - I did eventuallyH manage to find one elsewhere that might have been it) indicated that theI publication is not quite yet ready for prime time, but in general OpenVMSEH Times seems like a cautious but perceptible step in the right direction,K though I hope we won't be reminded in every issue that Israel's mail systemxG uses VMS (once seemed more than enough - I'm afraid the little 'Did youvJ know?' blurbs really didn't grab me).  It may not be aimed at techies, butJ that's OK - though something else should exist that *is* aimed at techies:' they do influence purchasing decisions.w  K The real question is what steps Compaq is taking to make sure OpenVMS TimeszJ will be seen by people other than existing VMS customers (who really don'tL need it, though it might boost their morale a bit) and in markets other thanD the 'target markets' for VMS solutions (since one hopes that they'reJ receiving special attention of other kinds, which would mean that the realK VMS awareness vacuums that this publication could help fill lie elsewhere).S   - bill  0 Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:8cdoq0$s5e$1@pyrite.mv.net...D > That will improve my day only if I don't find other Compaq systemsK > flagrantly promoted inside and do find substantial information about VMS.wL > And it still won't improve my day all that much until I see far more equalJ > treatment of VMS in other areas (Inform being a particularly conspicuous: > one, ads being another) that make some pretense of being Compaq-OS-neutral. >dB > But I suppose I should take a look before being too pessimistic. >E > - bill >S/ > <norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> wrote in message60 > news:C22568B7.006AE9FE.00@jklh21.valmet.com... > >g > >T! > > This should improve your day.G > >1( > > The Spring issue of OpenVMS Times is> > > now up on the web site in PDF and PS format and soon HTML. > >AF > >     <URL:  http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/index.html> > >D > >0 > >  > >E > >U8 > > jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net on 04/04/2000 03:03:35 PM > >g > > To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comW > > cc:3 > > Subject:  Inform & VMS > >5 > >g > >3 > >GL > > I just got my latest copy of  Compaq's INFORM magazine.  Now admittedly, IuJ > > just skimmed it, but it wasn't unitl I got to the insert between pages 424 > > and 43 that I even found the letters VMS at all. > >ML > > I did finally find a 2 page article with an interview with Rich MarcelloF > > (which is still talking about that northern lights ad).  There was nothing1I > > new in there.  It used to be that you could at least find informationx > aboutyH > > VMS in the DECpaq private magazines that no one outside the existing > > customer base would read.N > >DD > > I think I need to learn more about that wonderful  Windows 2000. > >N > >U > >K > >k > >D > >  >q >G   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:25:53 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>V" Subject: Re: It's very hard for me+ Message-ID: <8cdj11$9h6$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>p  F Make sure DECnet is up and running on both systems.  Make sure you are  running NCP from a priv account.  - In the mean time, you can change the copy to:e  % copy file1.txt 8.2"USER"::sys$update:f  H That is, for a long time you have been able to provide the actual DECnet! node address instead of the name.U      E Ildefonso Junquero wrote in message <38EA2872.62B04313@sainsel.es>...: >- >0 >Hello all!  >iG >    It's very hard for me to remember how does vms work, so I'll be in E >this group for some days until I finish to configure my 8 new CompaqJ >OpenVMS workstations. >qD >    First of all, I need to copy some files from an old workstation/ >fully configured to a new recently configured.o >e< >    I want to copy file1.txt from WS1 to WS2 by the command >l* >    copy file1.txt WS2"USER"::sys$update: >i5 >    where USER is a configured with no password useri >d > I >    but when I enter the command above in WS1 I get the following resulte >: >tH >    %COPY-E-OPENOUT, error opening WS2"USER"::SYS$MANAGER:[]FILE1.TXT;1
 >as output' >    -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed/B >    -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachableC >    %COPY-W-NOTCOPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000.SIMTO]FILE1.TXT;1 nott >copiede >. >.7 >    this is the output of  mc ncp show node WS2 on WS1o > 1 >Node Volatile Summary as of  4-APR-2000 18:25:34l > D >    Node           State      Active  Delay   Circuit     Next node$ >                              Links >/@ > 8.2 (WS2)                                     EWA-0          0 >r >e2 >    and the output of mc ncp show node WS1 on WS2 >c >c1 >Node Volatile Summary as of  4-APR-2000 19:26:20  > - >%NCP-W-UNRCMP, Unrecognized component , Noden >e >o > ' >    but when i try to add WS1 on WS2 :1 >2 >  >NCP>define node 1.10 name WS1< >%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual >address=000000000000s' >000C, PC=000000000006DC1C, PS=0000001B- >-3 >  Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.r2 >    Signal arguments:   Number = 00000000000000052 >                        Name   = 000000000000000C2 >                                 00000000000000002 >                                 000000000000000C2 >                                 000000000006DC1C2 >                                 000000000000001B >n >    Register dump:S: >    R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007B5982B0  R2  = >0000000000008110c: >    R3  = 0000000002010012  R4  = 000000000004B360  R5  = >0000000000048104g: >    R6  = 0000000000000001  R7  = 0000000000000000  R8  = >000000007AF557E8 : >    R9  = 0000000000000002  R10 = 0000000002010012  R11 = >000000000004A570b: >    R12 = 000000000004B360  R13 = 0000000000007738  R14 = >000000000004A5742: >    R15 = 0000000000000000  R16 = 000000000000040A  R17 = >0000000000000055 : >    R18 = 00000004001496F0  R19 = 0000000400000000  R20 = >000000007B5989386: >    R21 = 0000000000000000  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = >0000000000000004i: >    R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000001  R26 = >000000000006DC10o: >    R27 = 000000007B55B2E0  R28 = FFFFFFFF80000EBC  R29 = >000000007AF55630 : >    SP  = 000000007AF55600  PC  = 000000000006DC1C  PS  = >000000000000001BX >$ >i >o+ >    The OpenVMS Version is 7.2-1 (I think)u >g >    Can you help me please? >F >    Thanks! >w >m >e >--IG >______________________________________________________________________4G >                  Ildefonso Junquero      e@mail : junquero@sainsel.esd$ >    ___    __o    Software Engineer0 >   ____  _'\<,_   Sainsel Sistemas Navales S.A.0 > ______ (*)/ (*)  C/ Manuel Velasco Pando, N. 7( >                  41007 Sevilla (Spain)+ >   Go faster!     Phone : +34-95-493 64 65a+ >  Use the byke!   Fax   : +34-95-493 64 33xG >______________________________________________________________________t >  >d   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 18:11:26 GMTp2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)/ Subject: Re: method for "reply to all" in MAIL?-, Message-ID: <8cdb8e$4ld@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  m In article <8ccutr$eos$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hammond@not@peek.ppb.dec.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:o >d >(1); >"Reply to all" can be overused!  It can also be desirable.eN >Using OpenVMS mail from a DECterm window, I can cut and past the CC list fromP >mail I received to the mail I am sending fairly easily.  I can also selectivelyM >edit it.  I do not generally use the windows version of OpenVMS mail, but itWK >looks like the same thing could be done there.  While cut-and-paste is notV< >the same as "click-reply-all", it is better than re-typing!  4 Except that if the names in the "to" list look like:  F  Fred Smith <fred.smith@somwhere.com>, John Public <jp@msmonopoly.com>   instead of justh  ,   fred.smith@somwhere.com, jp@msmonopoly.com  I then the mail won't go out.  That's a bit odd, since the first form workst) ok in the FROM: field, but there you are.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech -   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 18:46:53 GMTu* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)/ Subject: Re: method for "reply to all" in MAIL?i. Message-ID: <8cddat$9lt$2@info.service.rug.nl>  C In article <8cd59a$79s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, d.webb@mdx.ac.uk writes: s   > HELP MAILi3 > 214 MAIL FROM:<sender>  ...  Specifies the sendera  	 help mail  214 Help text not available2   $ tcpip sh verse  9   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0Ao2   on a AlphaStation 255/233 running OpenVMS V7.2-1   $d  I Back to the wish list: minor peeve: aN AlphaStation (nice to see the VAX  G ghosts around though).  Somewhat larger peeve: in the RFC822 headers I rG see V5.0A-1, i.e. it includes the ECO number etc.  Can sh version give uI me this somehow?  Somewhat larger peeve: all HELP facilities should page   properly, so I don't have to don  = DEFINE/KEY PF2 "SPAWN HELP/LIBRARY=MAILHELP"/TERMINATE/NOECHO   @ It seems this problem exists with all "embedded" help libraries.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:19:41 -0400* From: "J P  Lahman" <jlahman@oh.verio.com> Subject: Re: Microsoft rulingB: Message-ID: <t9qG4.3317$ZE4.68100@ord-read.news.verio.net>  = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messagey0 news:8cb27o$fuk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >a: > In article <38E906B9.860858D5@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei) <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: = > :...the gorvernment has released the ruling on Microsoft...t? > :...Microsoft is guilty of violating Sherman Antitrust Act...g  L If the government can squeeze Bill Gates, they can squeeze anybody.  Look atF what they did to tobacco and what they are trying to do to the handgunJ industry.  What gives the government the right to decide what is right and1 wrong?  And, how much wealth have you lost today?a   Enough of my soapbox...      --
 Jim Lahman OpenVMS Certified Engineer   jlahman@oh.verio.com  	 Acts 4:12    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 18:38:52 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: Microsoft ruling . Message-ID: <8cdcrs$9lt$1@info.service.rug.nl>  g In article <t9qG4.3317$ZE4.68100@ord-read.news.verio.net>, "J P  Lahman" <jlahman@oh.verio.com> writes:e  ? > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageb2 > news:8cb27o$fuk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > >V< > > In article <38E906B9.860858D5@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei+ > <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:l? > > :...the gorvernment has released the ruling on Microsoft...eA > > :...Microsoft is guilty of violating Sherman Antitrust Act...f > N > If the government can squeeze Bill Gates, they can squeeze anybody.  Look atH > what they did to tobacco and what they are trying to do to the handgun
 > industry.  o  ? Interesting constallation.  Difficult to find three other terms G containing more damage done to humanity than tobacco, handguns and Billi Gates. e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:36:45 -07004$ From: Barry Treahy <treahy@mmaz.com> Subject: Re: Microsoft ruling,( Message-ID: <38EA444D.78471B1A@mmaz.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:B  A > Interesting constallation.  Difficult to find three other termssI > containing more damage done to humanity than tobacco, handguns and BillV > Gates.  f Damage to humanity? That is rather a perverted view of reality when you consider that two of the threej subjects in your statement are inanimate objects of which can cause nor harm or damage unless chosen to beB misused by an outside source; humans, a key component of humanity.  h What is damaging to humanity, and society as a whole, is finding excuses that sound good and politicallyk correct rather than taking a real look at the problem; individuals out of control.  I do not know where you c reside, but here in the United States, we have more people that die individually from drowning, carhk accidents, and heart attacks that guns or tobacco.  Applying your logic, swimming pools, bodies of water ornj even a bucket in your back yard is damaging, cars certainly must be wicked and Big Macs, well I'll concede on that point.   Barry Treahy   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:46:40 GMTn. From: "Bill McLaughlin" <mcbill20@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Microsoft rulingt4 Message-ID: <20000404204640.75561.qmail@hotmail.com>   >t >-----Original Message----- 2 >From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:helbig@astro.rug.nl]' >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:39 PMr >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: Microsoft ruling >l >hI >In article <t9qG4.3317$ZE4.68100@ord-read.news.verio.net>, "J P  Lahman"  ><jlahman@oh.verio.com> writes:l >eA > > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messaget4 > > news:8cb27o$fuk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > > > > > > > In article <38E906B9.860858D5@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei- > > <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:iA > > > :...the gorvernment has released the ruling on Microsoft... C > > > :...Microsoft is guilty of violating Sherman Antitrust Act...a > >eI > > If the government can squeeze Bill Gates, they can squeeze anybody.  h >Looko >ataJ > > what they did to tobacco and what they are trying to do to the handgun
 > > industry.  >i  @ >Interesting constallation.  Difficult to find three other termsH >containing more damage done to humanity than tobacco, handguns and Bill >Gates.X >@  L Can we please not politicize comp.os.vms?  Personally, I get enough of that I in other usenet groups as well as in newspapers, radio, TV, etc. I don't  7 know what comp.os.vms has to do with guns or tobacco???   M I personally *despise* Bill Gates and what he has done to the industry but I oM also worry about more government regulation. This could definitely turn into  A one of those situations where the cure is worse than the disease..   Just my .02o   Bill McLaughlin'    6 ______________________________________________________6 Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:10:45 -0400i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Microsoft ruling / Message-ID: <38EA5A4F.C5ED2E1C@vl.videotron.ca>l  K One of the analysts said that unless the government can PROVE that harm waseS done to citizens, it is likely that Microsoft will be able to get away scotts free.e  F Considering that Digital was coerced into pricing its own systems moreI expensively than those running Windows so as to not compete against them,e  K considering that Digital cannabalised ist own software and stopped plans tonF port some of its software to NT because it woudl have competed against Microsoft's equivalent,a  H Is there not a strong case to show that Digital customers were seriously
 impacted ?  J Consider that Microsoft went against a previous government ruling and wentK ahead to bundle its explorer with Windows, I personally hope that the judge P force a change that will absolutely prevent Microsoft from misusing its poweres.  N What I fear most are tactics such as Microsoft buying a cable company and then@ forcing that company to sell only MS desktop boxes and software.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:21:26 -05001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>o Subject: Re: Microsoft rulingt8 Message-ID: <8cdm6d$cej$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   My 2 cents.s  K If MS **did** violate the Sherman Antitrust Act, and I trust they did basedo> on the court's findings, then they should be held accountable.   Too simple?  Perhaps.    Dave...l  7 Bill McLaughlin <mcbill20@hotmail.com> wrote in message?. news:20000404204640.75561.qmail@hotmail.com... >  >s >  > >  > >-----Original Message-----w4 > >From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:helbig@astro.rug.nl]) > >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:39 PMt > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > >Subject: Re: Microsoft ruling > >, > >gK > >In article <t9qG4.3317$ZE4.68100@ord-read.news.verio.net>, "J P  Lahman" ! > ><jlahman@oh.verio.com> writes:t > >"C > > > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 6 > > > news:8cb27o$fuk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > > > >f@ > > > > In article <38E906B9.860858D5@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei/ > > > <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: C > > > > :...the gorvernment has released the ruling on Microsoft...tE > > > > :...Microsoft is guilty of violating Sherman Antitrust Act...l > > >iI > > > If the government can squeeze Bill Gates, they can squeeze anybody.h > >Look' > >atsL > > > what they did to tobacco and what they are trying to do to the handgun > > > industry.  > >y >dB > >Interesting constallation.  Difficult to find three other termsJ > >containing more damage done to humanity than tobacco, handguns and Bill	 > >Gates.g > >s >sH > Can we please not politicize comp.os.vms?  Personally, I get enough of thatJ > in other usenet groups as well as in newspapers, radio, TV, etc. I don't9 > know what comp.os.vms has to do with guns or tobacco???i >aL > I personally *despise* Bill Gates and what he has done to the industry but IeI > also worry about more government regulation. This could definitely turn  intoC > one of those situations where the cure is worse than the disease.h >)
 > Just my .02  >l > Bill McLaughlin. >c > 8 > ______________________________________________________8 > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 02:37:02 GMTt From: PaulMac2@aol.com$ Subject: Microvax 3100 CDROM offline) Message-ID: <8ce8sd$ftl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  2 I have a MicroVAX 3100 which I have attached a NEC2 CDROM drive to the external SCSI port.  At console monitor, it shows up as:  A DKB400   RZ12   B/4/00   RODISK   ........   RM   WP   CD-ROM 1.0s  0 but when the OS comes up (V5.5-2), the device is1 always offline, with one error logged against it.k3 I do not have bootable media, but 'B DKB400' causesv4 the read light to go on, just like one would expect.  1 Why is it that the console monitor can access thea4 drive, but VMS won't let me touch it?  Is there some3 sysgen parameter that must be set, or a driver that  hasn't loaded properly?l -- Paul MacAvaney PualMac2@aol.com    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2000 06:43:14 GMTm* From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@kanto.cc.jyu.fi> Subject: Re: Old vax, Message-ID: <8c9ei2$t12$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  5 Antony Wardle <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> wrote:f  * > Work is throwing out a lot of old vaxes. ...l+ > the vaxes are vlc4000 and 3100m38 and 76.h  = Antony, at least save most valuable little components please.iI For 76 that is memory I think. Those 4MB SIMMs (MS44-AA) are hard to findoB nowadays and cost much more than PC simms. I'd pay at least doubleG capasity as PC simms or 4 times as SDRAM capasity to get MS44-AA simms.e? About 3100m38 memory, cards over 4MB are worth something too...    regards0           Osmo Kujala    ------------------------------  " Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:12:57 GMT, From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow)3 Subject: Re: old vs. new IRON (Was FS: Digital VAX) & Message-ID: <2000Apr4.141257.1@eisner>  W In article <38E4F004.B823FCE3@jmusa.com>, Stephen Eickhoff <eick-hsr@jmusa.com> writes:uM > I haven't been able to find a list that compares VAX to Alpha with the samecN > units. Or does SPEC92=VUP? If it does, then my DEC-3000-400 is only twice as: > fast as our VAX 4000-705a. How much faster is it really?  I I've used this list and its numerical sorted cousin for comparing various2 ALpha and VAXen configurations:H  E http://www.digital.com/info/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_name.html   I Except they haven't updated this list since the EV6 announcement almost awJ year ago. There are now EV67 processors and many new models that aren't onF the list. And it looks like a few old boxes have also been dropped :-)   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:49:51 GMTh4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> Subject: OT: Microsoft rulingfC Message-ID: <zHrG4.1386$Vb6.46451@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>R  J The point was that the government has nearly unlimited powers of coercion.- Do we want a government with that much power?s  
 Mike Ober.  7 "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in messageI( news:8cdcrs$9lt$1@info.service.rug.nl...J > In article <t9qG4.3317$ZE4.68100@ord-read.news.verio.net>, "J P  Lahman" <jlahman@oh.verio.com> writes: > A > > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 4 > > news:8cb27o$fuk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > > > > > > > In article <38E906B9.860858D5@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei- > > <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: A > > > :...the gorvernment has released the ruling on Microsoft...CC > > > :...Microsoft is guilty of violating Sherman Antitrust Act...  > > G > > If the government can squeeze Bill Gates, they can squeeze anybody.A Look atcJ > > what they did to tobacco and what they are trying to do to the handgun
 > > industry.  >0A > Interesting constallation.  Difficult to find three other terms I > containing more damage done to humanity than tobacco, handguns and Bill  > Gates. >0   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 22:11:28 +0200 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft ruling * Message-ID: <38ea4c70$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  z In article <zHrG4.1386$Vb6.46451@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes:K >The point was that the government has nearly unlimited powers of coercion.0. >Do we want a government with that much power?   We ?  > Please keep political discussions in a more appropriate forum.5 This is COMP.OS.VMS and not I.DONT.LIKE.MY.GOVERNMENT2   -- 0< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:51:13 GMTF7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ! Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft rulingn- Message-ID: <38EAB8E1.4B5E4C1E@earthlink.net>p   "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > L > The point was that the government has nearly unlimited powers of coercion./ > Do we want a government with that much power?   H Would you rather the "Bill Gates"-es of the world had the power instead?   Please THINK before you post!a   -- . David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/3   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:13:27 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>- Subject: Re: Pro*C on VMS1( Message-ID: <8cdpbl$srv$1@pyrite.mv.net>  J How nice to see a migration in this direction!  Just out of curiosity (andL possibly of some help to Graham as well), just what kind of support (if any,L now that the POSIX environment is no more) does VMS provide for this kind ofK migration, and what additional support could it potentially provide withoute) unreasonable effort that would be useful?a   - bill  A Graham Van Der Vaart <Graham.vd.Vaart@ast.co.za> wrote in messagelJ news:47DBB722BF1BD21199E00080C8372C1B31A553@ntsnexc1.new.iscorltd.co.za... >o > Hi >VG > We have infrastructure components ( C shared libraries and services )c) > compiled on a HP-UX box running Oracle.eL > A shared library, "a.sl" (general functions) was created from five objects, > of which one (including database functionsH > such as database connects, commits etc) was precompiled using Oracle's > Pro*C.J > Another shared library, "b.sl" ( batch kernel functions) was created and > linked to "a.sl".r >oL > Services such as "c.exe" (batch programs) are linked to both a.sl and b.slG > We now wish to port this all to OpenVMS on ALPHA also running Oracle.o >dL > I am unsure how to go about this ie: how to use cc, proc, lnproc and link.4 > When do you copy and install the shareable images?F > What would the make file look like? Are there any makefile templates > available? >r >n	 > Regardst > Graham >7 > Graham Van der vaart > Senior Systems Analyst > AST-Abraxas Kwazulu-NatalO >s > Tel: 034 3148152 > Cell: 083 327 0801 > Fax: 034 31 8844 >o >v   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 17:46:14 CSTM; From: wayne@tachyon.xxx.190546.killspam.0261 (Wayne Sewell)p Subject: Re: Pro*C on VMSt. Message-ID: <93E58kjhYmp7@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  [ In article <4.3.0.20000404110336.018fa9f0@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes: 7 > At 04:53 PM 4/4/00 +0200, Graham Van Der Vaart wrote:  > L >>I am unsure how to go about this ie: how to use cc, proc, lnproc and link.4 >>When do you copy and install the shareable images?F >>What would the make file look like? Are there any makefile templates >>available? > M > Read the Oracle docs for this, and use the i option to lnproc. You'll need ,L > to create a .OPT file for your shareable image, and the docs for that are  > in the VMS linker manual.s > K > You won't find much in the way of makefile chunks, as we generally don't dI > use make or its VMS analogs MMS and MMK, instead doing this stuff with cN > command procedures. If you really want to see pieces you can always install N > perl then build the DBD::Oracle module--it ultimately generates a shareable I > image, though digging the details out of a perl module's autogenerated tM > DESCRIP.MMS (Our version of a Makefile) is more fun than most human beings y > should be allowed to have... > K > Whatever you do, do *not* try to link your shareable image directly. Use  L > lnproc. Oracle does some horribly bizarre and evil things with the linker . > that you don't even want to try and emulate. >     N Still???  I knew they were doing weird stuff back in 82 or so, the last time IJ used oracle on vms, but they've had a hell of a long time to learn how vms works.    O The problem I had back then was based shareable images.  Since such images have$O a fixed virtual address, heaven help you if *another* based image overlaps thattL address range; you can't link at all.  That happened to us.  Fortunately theO owner of the second image fixed the position dependent code.  Once it went PIC,aI it floated in the virtual memory space with the non-oracle images and leti oracle have the fixed range.   Wayner -- lO ===============================================================================sK Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachyon.xxx 8 http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2000 08:19:04 GMT6) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie).7 Subject: Re: Q : Automatic installation tool in OpenVMS4' Message-ID: <8c9k5o$602$1@joe.rice.edu>o  , John Il-Joong Kim (jkim@computer.org) wrote:. : This is a multi-part message in MIME format.( : --------------FF108012E365D7E357F1FB6C, : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr  C : I have recently packaged software for OpenVMS platform and I neede% : to distribute to the customer soon.a  I : I'm looking for the tool that work like InstallShield (Windows) or RPM aJ : (Linux) in OpenVMS. Since I'm new to OpenVMS, I cannot find the similar  : tools.  E : I can use DCL script to automate the file copies but I need to timea : to learn this script.h  F : Does anybody know the tool that I'm looking for in OpenVMS platform? : Help needed!   There are two tools:     o SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.COM  ;   o the POLYCENTER Software Installation utility (aka PCSI)    both documented at:   L    http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/ssb71/6017/6017p003.htm#install_sw_sec  B The POLYCENTER Software Installation utility is the newer one, and  is recommended for new products.  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:13:26 -0400R0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000/ Message-ID: <38EA7708.A60AC950@vl.videotron.ca>i   from www.netcraft.com:             K                      www.nasdaq.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windowsf 2000 g             M                  Microsoft-IIS is also being used by Compaq, and The Nationala Football League. tM                      Windows 2000 users include Microsoft, Hotbot, BigCharts, 	 and Dell.7    N Pretty interesting that such a high profile company would risk its web site to run on such "new" software.   N When even such sites as nasdaq can run on Windows 2000, doesn't it become muchM harder to convince someone to pay a premium for a VMS solution on the premisem- that they need more reliability than nasdaq ?n   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:38:48 -0700 (PDT)! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>e( Subject: Re: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000E Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.1000404173821.163A-100000@gunn.kednos.com>r  # On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, JF Mezei wrote:a  ' > Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:13:26 -0400s2 > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt& > Subject: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000 >  > from www.netcraft.com: >             M >                      www.nasdaq.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on WindowsB > 2000   >             O >                  Microsoft-IIS is also being used by Compaq, and The Nationalo > Football League. nO >                      Windows 2000 users include Microsoft, Hotbot, BigCharts,m > and Dell.l > . Well that expains why BigCharts is unreliable.   > P > Pretty interesting that such a high profile company would risk its web site to > run on such "new" software.  > P > When even such sites as nasdaq can run on Windows 2000, doesn't it become muchO > harder to convince someone to pay a premium for a VMS solution on the premise / > that they need more reliability than nasdaq ?n >   A                __________________________________________________ A               /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/w@              /_/                                             /_/?             /_/     Tom Linden              PL/I Support    /_/r>            /_/    Kednos Corporation       OpenVMS and     /_/=           /_/   tel 831 373 7003          Tru64 Unix      /_/p<          /_/_____________________________________________/_/;         /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/d   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:19:30 GMT* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)( Subject: Re: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000& Message-ID: <2000Apr4.231930.1@eisner>  b In article <38EA7708.A60AC950@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > from www.netcraft.com: >             M >                      www.nasdaq.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windowse > 2000 v >             O >                  Microsoft-IIS is also being used by Compaq, and The Nationalu > Football League. vO >                      Windows 2000 users include Microsoft, Hotbot, BigCharts,D > and Dell.h >  > P > Pretty interesting that such a high profile company would risk its web site to > run on such "new" software.  >   @ 	They won't be.  Have Microsoft tell it and you would think they? 	run the world.  NASDAQ is coming off of Unisys to a very larged> 	Tandem setup.  Got to get something that scales.  We can readD 	about W2K, but is anybody running it with a tenth of the horsepowerE 	NASDAQ needs?  Realistically, would people actually consider bettinge. 	that heavily this early?  Very few I suppose.  2 http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000403S0001  M "As a result of the new volumes, Bailar said Nasdaq decided to skip the firstsO release of IQMS altogether, intended for a single Unisys mainframe, in favor ofoI IQMS 2, which will run on multiple Tandem systems capable of four billion  shares."  A 	With that said , that is one portion of NASDAQ.  Perhaps the W2Kr? 	are Web front-ends.  Be interested to see if anyone dredges up   	specifically what they are for.   				Robr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:25:18 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000/ Message-ID: <38EAC026.B8D42824@vl.videotron.ca>5   Rob Young wrote:J >         With that said , that is one portion of NASDAQ.  Perhaps the W2KH >         are Web front-ends.  Be interested to see if anyone dredges up) >         specifically what they are for.:  M Nevertheless, an outfit of the size and starure of NASDAQ is expected to haveuN a robust web site front end. With Basdaq running its "storefront" on win-2000,N it is a big win for Microsoft since it allows MS to claim running NASDAQ's webN site, and when MS makes a claim, it has a lot more marketing bang for the buck= than when Compaq makes a hidden claim in an obscure web page.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:51:13 GMTl* From: j-sivier@uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier )) Subject: serial ports on VAXstation 3500? 6 Message-ID: <BQqG4.5959$nb2.128675@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>  G    Does the VAXstation 3500 have serial ports and if so where are they?uI The manual shows how to take the front cover off, but there are no seriallH ports there.  There's no indication how to remove the back and/or sides.I I don't want to pry too hard for fear of breaking something.  Does anyoner$ know how to take the back cover off?  
    Thanks.   Jonathan  8 --------------------------------------------------------8 |  Jonathan Sivier      |  Flight Simulation Lab       |8 |  j-sivier@uiuc.edu    |  Beckman Institute           |8 |  Work: 217/244-1923   |  405 N. Mathews              |8 |  Home: 217/359-8225   |  Urbana, IL  61801           |8 --------------------------------------------------------8 |  Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier  |8 --------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 19:22:46 GMTv2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500?f6 Message-ID: <8cdfe6$lv0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  c In article <BQqG4.5959$nb2.128675@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, j-sivier@uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier ) writes:vH :   Does the VAXstation 3500 have serial ports and if so where are they?J :The manual shows how to take the front cover off, but there are no serialI :ports there.  There's no indication how to remove the back and/or sides.cJ :I don't want to pry too hard for fear of breaking something.  Does anyone% :know how to take the back cover off?=  E   You don't.  Access to the Q-bus modules in the S-box enclosure (theuB   BA213 series enclosure typically used for the MicroVAX 3500 and 9   VAXstation 3500 system) is via the front of the system.0  E   The VAXstation 3500 serial port is an MMJ (modified modular jack), :D   and is accessable on the front of the S-box Q-bus enclosure -- on C   the S-box bulkhead that is covering the KA650 CPU module and the h   MS650 memory module(s).i  =   Both the MMJ and DB9 pinouts are listed in the OpenVMS FAQ.n  A   The console bulkhead description is in the FAQ -- the KA650 CPUiA   used in the VAXstation 3500 uses the same electrical interface ID   as the KA630 used in the MicroVAX II, and the latter is described D   in section VAX1 of the FAQ.  The only connector difference betweenG   the S-box console bulkhead -- which is what you have -- and the BA23  F   and BA123 versions is the use of the MMJ for the console serial lineA   on the former, and the use of the DB9 on the latter bulkhead...o  A   The BA213 series Q-bus systems can often be configured with one:C   or more serial Q-bus controllers, such as the CXY series widgets.lA   Also, obviously, via a network connection to a terminal server .B   (DECserver) using LAT and/or IP...  Depending on the controller,?   you can see various external connectors on the Q-bus bulkhead @   such as AMP-50 style connections -- these connections are then:   cabled to a "harmonica-style" adapter containing MMJs...  A   If you want to pursue this, we need to know the "M" numbers offoA   the spines of the Q-bus modules.  We can then map these againstDB   lists of modules to tell you what you have installed in the box.A   The KA650 module, for instance, is the M7620 series, while the t?   MS650 memory modules are the M7622 series.  Give us the otheroA   "M" numbers on the handles of the Q-bus modules and we can thenLA   (probably) tell you what module(s) are installed in the system.,  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:50:43 GMTd* From: j-sivier@uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier )- Subject: Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500?m6 Message-ID: <TstG4.5999$nb2.129127@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:    d >In article <BQqG4.5959$nb2.128675@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, j-sivier@uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier ) writes:I >:   Does the VAXstation 3500 have serial ports and if so where are they?wK >:The manual shows how to take the front cover off, but there are no serial.J >:ports there.  There's no indication how to remove the back and/or sides.K >:I don't want to pry too hard for fear of breaking something.  Does anyone & >:know how to take the back cover off?  F >  You don't.  Access to the Q-bus modules in the S-box enclosure (theC >  BA213 series enclosure typically used for the MicroVAX 3500 and a: >  VAXstation 3500 system) is via the front of the system.  F >  The VAXstation 3500 serial port is an MMJ (modified modular jack), E >  and is accessable on the front of the S-box Q-bus enclosure -- on  D >  the S-box bulkhead that is covering the KA650 CPU module and the  >  MS650 memory module(s).  G    There is only a single plug (that looks like a large telephone jack) E on the KA650/MS650 module bulkhead.  We figured it was connection for G a modem.  There are 4 8-pin connectors in the upper left hand corner of_B the system, behind the grill and next to the disk drive.  They areC numbered 0 through 3 and look like they could be some sort of port.   B >  If you want to pursue this, we need to know the "M" numbers offB >  the spines of the Q-bus modules.  We can then map these againstC >  lists of modules to tell you what you have installed in the box. B >  The KA650 module, for instance, is the M7620 series, while the @ >  MS650 memory modules are the M7622 series.  Give us the otherB >  "M" numbers on the handles of the Q-bus modules and we can thenB >  (probably) tell you what module(s) are installed in the system.  J    Here are the numbers off the modules in the system.  If it only has oneF serial port I may be able to use it, though it would be nice if it had1 at least two so I could also hook up the printer.h   from left to right:y   KDA50		M7165-00s -----x KDA50		M7164-00  ------ TQK70		M7559-00- -----  VCB02		M7168-00r -----6 VCB02		M7168-00m VCB02		M7169-00  -----g DESQA-SA	M3127-PAo -----c MS650-AA	M7621-A -----  MS650-AA	M7621-A -----@ MS650-AA	M7621-A KA650-BA	M7620-BA2  
    Thanks.   Jonathan  8 --------------------------------------------------------8 |  Jonathan Sivier      |  Flight Simulation Lab       |8 |  j-sivier@uiuc.edu    |  Beckman Institute           |8 |  Work: 217/244-1923   |  405 N. Mathews              |8 |  Home: 217/359-8225   |  Urbana, IL  61801           |8 --------------------------------------------------------8 |  Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier  |8 --------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 22:08:20 GMT@2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500?m6 Message-ID: <8cdp4k$q26$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  c In article <TstG4.5999$nb2.129127@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, j-sivier@uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier ) writes:l5 :hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:ee :>In article <BQqG4.5959$nb2.128675@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, j-sivier@uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier ) writes:iJ :>:   Does the VAXstation 3500 have serial ports and if so where are they? .. :rH :   There is only a single plug (that looks like a large telephone jack)F :on the KA650/MS650 module bulkhead.  We figured it was connection for :a modem.     E   That is the MMJ -- notice that the tab on the connector is off-set rC   from the center position seen with telephone jacks -- and is the c    console serial line connector.  B   The MMJ pinout, adapter, parts, etc., information is in the FAQ.  > :There are 4 8-pin connectors in the upper left hand corner ofC :the system, behind the grill and next to the disk drive.  They aregD :numbered 0 through 3 and look like they could be some sort of port.  @   That connection is likely for for RA-class disks, and you will?   likely find that at least some of the wires in that area wills.   track back to the KDA50 DSA disk controller.  K :   Here are the numbers off the modules in the system.  If it only has one_G :serial port I may be able to use it, though it would be nice if it hadp2 :at least two so I could also hook up the printer. :- :from left to right:  6   FWIW: The Q-bus runs from right to left in this box.   :KDA50		M7165-00 :KDA50		M7164-00  "   Two-board set.  Disk controller.   :TQK70		M7559-00     Tape controller.   :VCB02		M7168-00 :VCB02		M7168-00 :VCB02		M7169-00     Graphics controller.   :DESQA-SA	M3127-PA     Ethernet controller.   :MS650-AA	M7621-A  :MS650-AA	M7621-Ao  	   Memory.2   :KA650-BA	M7620-BA     CPU.    >   You have no serial lines other than the console serial line.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:28:33 -0400+ From: "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com>v" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?/ Message-ID: <sel2chfpeop175@corp.supernews.com>    Here's a point  2 What is the average age of people in this group???  J I would guess around 40-50 years old with a few in their thirties... maybe  0 What happens to VMS when noone has heard of it ?( When the current IT managers retire ????  K We as Grandfathers of the future can rant and rave of the benefits  of this3B wonderous OS, but do they teach it in schools, or will they ever ?  + I can guess the answer is probably a big NO4  L As far as I know - Unix and NT are favorites in the colleges, well they were, when I was there studying languages, anyhow.L Every Alpha we have sold this month, with the expection of 1 to a well known& Space Agency, have been Tru64 or Linux      . <Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com> wrote in message2 news:882568B6.0077940E.00@WHDOM99.HEALTHNET.COM...I > Well we /know/ you'd like to use it, but the question was about seriousI computer > users. >X > Shaneg >D >2 >A >. >2 >1 >s >>5 > wetboy <wetboy@shore.net> on 04/03/2000 05:16:21 AMi >o >< >k >r >u >c >  >t! >  To:      Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >i* >  cc:      (bcc: Shane F Smith/WH/HN/FHS) >  >t >O% >  Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?D >3 >- >  >o >  >c >s >  > Who will buy VMS?7 >. > Necrophiliacs. >t >a > -- Wetboyu >  >s >s >n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:34:32 -0400+ From: "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com>l" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?. Message-ID: <sel2ciu3eop77@corp.supernews.com>  % How about someone like SUN buying VMSa  & Sun marketing, initiative, forcefulnes  3 Now there's a company that could ge it in the doors     0 Sell it as a Solaris alternative for $500 a copy* After some major code reworking, of course  ! Actually, is that even possible ?    Whoa !  ! Trouble is, we don't sell Sun :0(    David1  . <Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com> wrote in message2 news:882568B6.0077940E.00@WHDOM99.HEALTHNET.COM...I > Well we /know/ you'd like to use it, but the question was about seriouso computer > users. >m > Shanee >y >l >t >p >r >f >e >o5 > wetboy <wetboy@shore.net> on 04/03/2000 05:16:21 AMi >O >. >  >i >p >l >" >e! >  To:      Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComI >e* >  cc:      (bcc: Shane F Smith/WH/HN/FHS) >t >e >9% >  Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?n >, >  >L >a >  >a >n >. > Who will buy VMS?  >  > Necrophiliacs. >a >d > -- Wetboyn >a >w >e >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:12:17 GMT / From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood)>" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?4 Message-ID: <38ea9191.79981836@news.ma.ultranet.com>  @ Well, I am in my low thirties, been using VMS continuously sinceF freshman year in college and just took delivery (today, in fact) of an' ES40 that will be running OpenVMS v7.2.o  D Your points are noted, however.  I need to go back to the old schoolE and see the state of VMS there.  The "woods" cluster is still runningiA as far as I can tell from the outside (same node names as existedoE previously) but I do not know in what capacity.  At least some of the-' profs are still using the VMS accounts.:  1 On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:28:33 -0400, "David Turner"E <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> wrote:r   >Here's a point  >e3 >What is the average age of people in this group???V >4K >I would guess around 40-50 years old with a few in their thirties... maybem >s1 >What happens to VMS when noone has heard of it ?s) >When the current IT managers retire ????  >wL >We as Grandfathers of the future can rant and rave of the benefits  of thisC >wonderous OS, but do they teach it in schools, or will they ever ?T >K, >I can guess the answer is probably a big NO >EM >As far as I know - Unix and NT are favorites in the colleges, well they were - >when I was there studying languages, anyhow. M >Every Alpha we have sold this month, with the expection of 1 to a well knownS' >Space Agency, have been Tru64 or LinuxA >R >  > / ><Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com> wrote in messageS3 >news:882568B6.0077940E.00@WHDOM99.HEALTHNET.COM..."J >> Well we /know/ you'd like to use it, but the question was about serious	 >computer1	 >> users.m >> >> Shane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>6 >> wetboy <wetboy@shore.net> on 04/03/2000 05:16:21 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>" >>  To:      Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>+ >>  cc:      (bcc: Shane F Smith/WH/HN/FHS)l >> >> >>& >>  Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Who will buy VMS? >> >> Necrophiliacs.  >> >> >> -- Wetboy >> >> >> >> >f >    Steven P. Underwood,DNRC Whitinsville,MAJ StevenU@POBoxes.comm   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:06:06 GMT* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?& Message-ID: <2000Apr4.210606.1@eisner>  ] In article <sel2chfpeop175@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> writes:A > Here's a point > 4 > What is the average age of people in this group??? > L > I would guess around 40-50 years old with a few in their thirties... maybe > 2 > What happens to VMS when noone has heard of it ?* > When the current IT managers retire ???? > M > We as Grandfathers of the future can rant and rave of the benefits  of this D > wonderous OS, but do they teach it in schools, or will they ever ? > - > I can guess the answer is probably a big NOh > N > As far as I know - Unix and NT are favorites in the colleges, well they were. > when I was there studying languages, anyhow.N > Every Alpha we have sold this month, with the expection of 1 to a well known( > Space Agency, have been Tru64 or Linux >   8 	All wonderfully valid points ... I suppose.  Let's spinB 	it.  What about MVS aka OS/390?  Still a lot of pretenders to theA 	mainframe world and maybe just now we have seen a bit of a slide @ 	but it is a huge market.  Sorry to hear your sales are so slow.   				Rob    ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:08:15 GMT* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?& Message-ID: <2000Apr4.210815.1@eisner>  \ In article <sel2ciu3eop77@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> writes:' > How about someone like SUN buying VMSo >   = 	Great idea.  I heard they are about to take over the storageh< 	world:  http://www.gis.net/whathappened.html  Sounds like a
 	good fit.   				Rob0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:14:26 -0700c5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>2" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?2 Message-ID: <frjqOAAy28Ocw0CATvTlr57udGck@4ax.com>  @ On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:12:17 GMT, StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) wrote:e  A >Well, I am in my low thirties, been using VMS continuously since G >freshman year in college and just took delivery (today, in fact) of anh( >ES40 that will be running OpenVMS v7.2.  < I'm in my mid-thirties,  and I've been using VMS ever since $ freshman year in college as well;     7 Checking up on the alma mater I find they've gone from a6 1 vax/1 pdp11/70 to 3 vaxes, and to 1 vax && 2 Alphas 8 currently  (small school maybe ~1200 students at most), / and a real mix of many other  non-DEC systems, 0 than they had back in the day.  : and here, at my current job we took delivery of 3 500au's 4 && 4 DS20's this year, and we're due to for perhaps : 5-8 more DS20's, in a few weeks, and probably as many more: workstations.    And we're buying rather more VMS systems @ per year, now than we used to, 10-15 years ago, all of them new.. We used to buy used, but not so much nowadays.  9 All that said,  where do Tandem sites get their people?  n  4 I knew a handful of Tandem types a few years ago,   : and their bgnd was all unix, w/ a small smattering of VMS.  = You certainly can't cut your teeth on Tandem at most schools.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:59:20 GMT|6 From: "MariuszM" <Mariusz.Macherzynski@zks.skoczow.pl> Subject: split large files2 Message-ID: <YXZF4.28728$a01.607641@news.tpnet.pl>  L I have one sequential file (more than 2GB, record format - fixed length 8800 byte)s I want to pack it by zipJ but earlier I have to split this file into two smaller parts - because zip' doesn't work on files larger than 2 GB.oL Could someone tell me how to split this file (and of course merge it later)?   regardsf Mariusz Macherzynski* email: Mariusz.Macherzynski@zks.skoczow.pl   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:05:47 -0700 (PDT)$ From: Merlin <merlin2good@yahoo.com> Subject: Virtul memoryB Message-ID: <20000405020547.9057.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com>  6 Could someone please send me some information or a web4 site i can brouse so that i may understand how "page5 replacment" works.  I know that it's the pages in thet6 virtual memory, and when a page is replaced it used an3 alogrythem to decide which page is it be replaced ie# would like to learn more about thiss    	 Thank youc    Merlin2good@yahoo.com         or ccmd@gibpond.com.auy   =====v    2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?2 Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:48:43 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: We be the BIG PAINFUL OUCH in dot com/ Message-ID: <38EA471A.57788B8D@vl.videotron.ca>n   Rob Young wrote:E >         with new drives.  Lesson: don't use cheap drives, don't usetE >         cheap controllers, don't use cheap stuff.  You get what youc >         pay for.  I Is it possible to build a RAID set with different brands of disk drives ? I Would that not dminish the odds of two drives breaking at the same time ?i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:48:06 -0400+ From: "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> # Subject: What others think of the Qo. Message-ID: <sel35v2peop20@corp.supernews.com>   Check this newsgroup out  & Interesting how many people LOVE the Q   alt.sys.pc-clone.compaqo         -- David Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Streetr Savannah GA 31404e Tel: 912 447 6622c Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 02:50:42 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>* Subject: Wierd Elsa Gloria Synergy Problem6 Message-ID: <6SxG4.1526$h81.28284@typhoon.aracnet.com>  @ OK, I'll start by trying to provide the specifics on the system.  D System: PWS 433a converted to 433au (had Q-Logic UW-SCSI controller)3 SRM: the latest on the web site as of last Saturdaya Video: Elsa Gloria SynergyG Monitor: Digital branded Sony Trinitron 17" from a AlphaStation 500/333nJ OS: OpenVMS 7.2 from the hobbyist CD with all the public OS patches except     the one for backup.-    L The problem is the I seem to have 'wiggles' on the left side of the display.  G I didn't notice any problems when I had the card running at the default-F which I believe is 1024x768 @70Hz with 8-bit.  However when I made theL following changes to the SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM I started having problems.  6 $ define/exec/system/nolog decw$server_refresh_rate 756 $ define/exec/system/nolog decw$server_pixel_depth  24 $ decw$xsize_in_pixels == 1280 $ decw$ysize_in_pixels == 1024  H These settings are from the GRAPHICS Patch README for the 4D40T which I = believe is functionally identical to the Elsa Gloria Synergy.f  K So I fired up Mozilla M14 to make sure I was getting the 24-bit colour, and E not just the higher resolution, and hit a couple sites.  As soon as IkI started scrolling I noticed something was wrong though.  The left side ofYI the screen would 'wiggle' when I would scroll up or down.  By wiggling, I3H mean that the actual display would shrink in towards the middle and then	 back out.e  L My first thought was to blame Mozilla, so I fired up the filemanager and didH some scrolling up and down with it.  Same thing, but to a lessor extent.K Since I only had a few minutes before I had to leave for work, I decided toCG edit a couple configuration files I needed to make changes in for otherlK stuff, and while paging down in a terminal window I noticed the same thing.u  J Based on the way it's acting, a logical explanation might be that it's theK monitor going bad, but I don't believe this is it as it's *only* when there J is movement such as scrolling up and down in a window.  If there isn't anyK movement in any of the windows the picture is rock solid and beautiful.  If"; it was the monitor I believe it would do this all the time.h  I Has anyone seen this?  I swear I'm not crazy and seeing things, in fact I I had to convince myself that to start with.  Does anyone have any ideas on  this?    				Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 04:47:44 +0930a/ From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>r4 Subject: yahMAIL 1.3 BETA (upload MIME attachments!)/ Message-ID: <38EA3FD8.3F1AB1F6@wasd.vsm.com.au>     yahMAIL - VMS Mail Web Interface  --------------------------------% BETA 1.3 is available for evaluation.t0 Known supported platforms:  WASD, OSU, Purveyor;<                             PMDF, MX, UCX, Multinet, TCPwareB yahMAIL provides Web access to public archives and private accountD VMS Mail via a modern "standard" broswer (uses a little JavaScript).  ) New features:  upload of MIME attachments 9                on-line, context-local usage guides (help)   ; The MIME upload is fully supported where PMDF is available.-3 (PMDF usage requires local compilation; DECC 5.n->)L  F Using a bit of a *kludge* upload of MIME attachments is also available  F for MadGoat MX and Compaq UCX/TCPIP environments.  Others environments  C may work but have not been tested (details for enabling this may be-C found in the prologue to YAHMAIL.C, along with a description of thejE mechanism).  Please advise the author if other environments are found D to work so that the code may be changed to automatically enable this functionality.  ? Even though this seems fairly stable it is a BETA and thereforet; should be deployed with caution in production environments..  ' Download:  http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/i0            ftp://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/index.html  E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+>D  Mark Daniel            Opinions my own ... and on loan from others.E  mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)iE +-------------------------------------------------------------------+p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:44:05 -0400l' From: Paul <pmosteika@evms.zko.dec.com>  Subject: You Can Use SFF0 Message-ID: <38E9FFB5.6DB87619@evms.zko.dec.com>  H Assuming that you're using TCPIP, you could put together a program usingH the TCPIP - SFF (Send From File) call or create a command procedure that changes the header fields to     	RCPT TO:<user@whatever.com>  ? Creating the proper SMTP "like" headers. Then use the currently A undocumented TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXE to send the message.o  D This is what I use as a temporary work-around to send MIME mail withF OpenVMS TCPIP. There was a problem where SMTP would add an extra blankD line between its headers and the MIME headers. This confuses PC Mime3 Mail utilities (but not the OpenVMS MIME utility). i    	 					PaulI    G Here's a part of the currently undocumented TCPIP Services for OpenVMS n< feature that should be documented in the next TCPIP release.        ,     1.1.5 Send From File (SFF) Mail Messages  @           SMTP allows you to create a mail message in a file andE           send it to the SMTP mailer to be delivered with headers youeE           specify. Using this feature, you can create automated tools @           that compose and send mail messages. It is also usefulC           for forwarding non-text files (MIME), because it prevents0A           the mailer from encapsulating the MIME and SMTP headershD           in the body of a new mail message. Thus, SMTP can function        D           like the redirect command on your personal computer, which simplyF           takes the message as is, without encapsulating it in another7           message, and sends it to the person you name.u  G           To redirect a MIME mail message so that it is readable on theeC           other side (that is, without encapsulation), follow theseg steps:  G               1. From OpenVMS MAIL, use EXTRACT/NOHEADER to extract thet                  mail message.  '               2. Exit the MAIL program.   B               3. Modify the file to include the SMTP commands. ForH                  example, put the address of the recipient into the RCPTG                  TO:<> line. For more information about the SFF format, %                  see Section 1.1.5.1.-  &               4. Send the file to SFF.  F           If you want headers like From:, To:, or Message-ID, you mustH           include the SMTP headers themselves in the file. SFF adds only@           the Received: header, as described in Section 1.1.5.3.  &         1.1.5.1 Format of the SFF File  B           The file is an RFC 822 message in a text file, with SMTP protocolB           commands (as described in RFC 821) preceding the RFC 822 message.E           MIME, by definition, complies with RFC 822; therefore, MIME  mail%           can be delivered using SFF.n  -           The SMTP protocol commands specify:   ,               1. The return path of the mail                 2. The recipients   !               3. The DATA commandS  $               4. The RFC 822 message             For example:          "           $ TYPE TEST_SMTP_SFF.TXT#           MAIL FROM:<green@abc.com>d!           RCPT TO:<green@abc.com>u           DATA.           Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:48:14 -0400.           Message-Id: <96080414481486@abc.com>D           From: green@abc.com (Charly Green - ABC-Corp engineering -
 (123)-456-           To: green@abc.com (           Subject: Test of SFF mechanism  #           This is the message text.n  D           The commands that precede the RFC 822 messages must appearB           in the file in the order listed above. The MAIL FROM andC           RCPT TO commands form the "envelope," as described in RFC.(           821 and summarized as follows:  E           1. The MAIL FROM command specifies the address to which the E              mail is bounced if necessary. There must be one and only5#              one MAIL FROM command."  D              You can specify a blank MAIL FROM command. For example:                MAIL FROM:<>   ;           2. The RCPT To command specifies the address of a B              recipient. There must be at least one RCPT TO command;              but there can be more, one for each recipient.e  8              You cannot specify a blank RCPT TO command.  @              Each RCPT TO command must be on a separate line andB              may contain only one address. If the mail is to go toE              multiple addresses, include one RCPT TO command for eacha              address.t  B           3. The DATA command follows the last RCPT TO command andD              flags the end of the RCPT TO commands and the beginning?              of the header block. The DATA command is required.i  E           Do not include a Return-Path header in the RFC 822 headers.vA           If the mail is to be delivered locally, SMTP includes a ?           Return-Path header based on the MAIL FROM command. If:?           the mail is relayed to another SMTP host, the Return-HB           Path is determined by the MAIL FROM command on the final           destination host.n      E          The following is a partial example of a OpenVMS MIME encodedo message.H          Composed with the MIME utility, saved to a file, then edited to adds5          the SMTP protocol commands and MIME headers.n    '           $ TYPE TEST_SMTP_SFF.MIME_MSGa  '           MAIL FROM:<system@nodexx.com> 3           RCPT TO:<anyone.listening@talklouder.com>            DATA           Mime-version: 1.0t(           Content-Type: multipart/mixed;& boundary=OpenVMS/MIME.572522828.951855)           Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bite$           Message-ID: <572522828.0@>  ,           --OpenVMS/MIME.572522828.9518557366           Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1)           Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit.%           Content-Disposition: inline   A           We have modified this to send with SFF for SMTP - TCPIP> Services           for OpenVMS.    ,           --OpenVMS/MIME.572522828.951855736  !           Content-Type: image/jpg>+           Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64 ?           Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=51STUDE.JPGj  	          hE /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEASABIAAD/2wBDAAsICAoIBwsKCQoNDAsNERwSEQ8PESIZGhQcK 	          oE KigkJyctMkA3LTA9MCcnOEw5PUNFSElIKzZPVU5GVEBHSEX/2wBDAQwNDREPESESEiFFLn           .            .M           .O  6           k2WKempVdBUqVKmgqVKlTQVKmpU0HpU1NTQelTU1B//Z  .           --OpenVMS/MIME.572522828.951855736--      %         1.1.5.2 SFF File Requirementsb    C               The text file can be in one of the following formats:o                  o  Variable length  3                  This type of file does not require  carriage-return/line-g9                  feed characters at the end of each line.d                 o  Stream_LF  G                  This type of file requires at least a line-feed at the G                  end of each line. It is not necessary to add carriage-s#                  return characters.h  %         1.1.5.3 SFF Security Measures   C               The ability to create messages with arbitrary headers H               could be used to spoof message headers. To limit this, theF               SFF mechanism is implemented with the following security               measures:l  E               o  The process must have either BYPASS, SYSPRV, or OPERp                  privilege set.n  G               o  SFF adds a Received: header to the headers you supply,hA                  for tracking purposes. This way the origin of ana9                  attempted spoofed message will be clear.   G               1.1.5.3.1 Invoking SMTP from an Application   TCPIP$SMTP_ 3               MAILSHR.EXE contains a routine calledr TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_m8               FILE. This routine is declared as follows:  H               unsigned int TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_FILE(infile_name, logfd, log_le                char *infile_name;               FILE *logfd;               int log_level;  1               The arguments for this routine are:a                 o  infile_name  F                  Specifies the name of the text file where the RFC 822!                  mail is located.-                 o  logfd  H                  If included, specifies the pointer to the file to whichD                  to log diagnostics. This file must be opened by theF                  caller before calling this routine. If no log file isG                  specified, output goes to SYS$OUTPUT. This argument isi                  optional.                   o  log_level  E              Specifies the level of diagnostics to use: either 1 (on)rA              or 0 (off). The default is 0 (off). This argument isg              optional.  +           o  To call the routine, link withn*              TCPIP$SMTP_MAILSHR.EXE/SHARE.  @           1.1.5.3.2 Invoking SFF from DCL   The SMTP_SFF commandC           allows you to invoke SFF. To define SMTP_SFF as a foreigno<           command so that you can use it from DCL, enter the           following command:  7           $ SMTP_SFF:==$TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXEe  E           This command takes UNIX style parameters and passes them ton$           TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_FILE.              The command format is:  A           SMTP_SFF infile_name [-logfile logfile_name] [-loglevelo
 log_level]  3           Where the parameters to this command are:n             o  infile_name    A              Specifies the name of text input file containing theg              SMTP mail to send.e             o  logfile_name   E              Specifies the name of the log file for diagnostics. (The-$              default is SYS$OUTPUT.)             o  log_level  E              Specifies the debug log level: either 1 (on) or 0 (off).s&              (The default is 0 (off).)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:29:35 -0800< From: Noel Madlansacay <noel.madlansacay@radiology.ucsf.edu> Subject: Zip file errorn4 Message-ID: <v04210108b50ff0d48a5c@[128.218.59.173]>  + --============_-1257245914==_ma============o> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"  ? I get this error, and I am not sure how to get around it.  The  A process that runs the procedure has all privs set.  I don't have -E problems doing it interactively.  Any suggestions will help.  Thanks.y  N $ zip "-V" rad$zip:chgr0104032000_EDITS.ZIP rad$fatal:chgr0104032000_EDITS.TXTJ          zip warning: name not matched: rad$fatal:chgr0104032000_edits.txt  + --============_-1257245914==_ma============n/ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii"n  F I get this error, and I am not sure how to get around it.  The processG that runs the procedure has all privs set.  I don't have problems doing 6 it interactively.  Any suggestions will help.  Thanks.    + $ zip "-V" rad$zip:chgr0104032000_EDITS.ZIP_" rad$fatal:chgr0104032000_EDITS.TXT  ,         <bold>zip warning: name not matched:" rad$fatal:chgr0104032000_edits.txt </bold>-  - --============_-1257245914==_ma============--    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Apr 2000 19:49:43 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Zip file errora6 Message-ID: <8cdh0n$met$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  s In article <v04210108b50ff0d48a5c@[128.218.59.173]>, Noel Madlansacay <noel.madlansacay@radiology.ucsf.edu> writes:       Please turn off MIME.  Thanks!  @ :I get this error, and I am not sure how to get around it.  The 3 :process that runs the procedure has all privs set.t  A   Privileges do not appear to have anything to do with the error.4A   (Turning on process privileges can be the exact wrong thing to W   do in various cases, too...)  J :I don't have problems doing it interactively.  Any suggestions will help. :tO :$ zip "-V" rad$zip:chgr0104032000_EDITS.ZIP rad$fatal:chgr0104032000_EDITS.TXTnK :         zip warning: name not matched: rad$fatal:chgr0104032000_edits.txte  -   What context are you having problems with? a'   From within a DCL command procedure? -   From batch?     E   Are you using an ODS-2 or ODS-5 disk structure?  (I could eliminate>C   ODS-5 as an option, if I knew what OpenVMS version you were (not)$D   using.  Posting the OpenVMS version number when posing a question ;   can be quite useful to the folks answering the question.)   D   Are all of the logical names defined (and defined the same way as C   when you try the command interactively) when you try to use them aC   from the particular (failing) environment?  (Try SHOW LOGICAL and '   DIRECTORY just before the command...)O  -   Which ZIP tool (and version) are you using?h  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:58:33 GMT 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>I Subject: Re: ZIP/UNZIP- Message-ID: <38EABA92.7B057F68@earthlink.net>f   Mark-Simon Pope wrote: > 9 > I need to zip up some directories on our VAX (Ovms 7.1)e > E > I've found ZIP.EXE and UNZIP.EXE in sys$system but I can't find anyR > documentation.  H If there's no accompanying on-line HELP, you can hack apart the savesetsE found in the archives available from the following URLs. The savesetseA contain .HLP files which can be added to your local HELP library.p  , http://home.erathlink.net/~djesys/unzip.html* http://home.erathlink.net/~djesys/zip.html  B ...or just re-install from those savesets and get the on-line HELPF installed for you, as well as known good versions of the programs. TheF executables will be installed into the SYS$SYSTEM path, just FYI. SomeG folks have complained about that, so thought I'd let you know up front.    -- h David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systems " http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.190 ************************he way it's acting, a logical explanation might be that it's theK monitor going bad, but I don't believe this is it as it's *only* when there J is movement such as scrolling up and down in a window.  If there isn't anyK movement in XqMq6č\l ۙ7ӽj{ZGC9ʗc:
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