1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 05 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 191       Contents:
 1.6 GHz Alpha  Re: 2 microVAX II questions  Alpha 1000 SCSI question Re: Alpha 1000 SCSI question Re: Alpha 1000 SCSI question Any word on PMDF / Innosoft  Re: Audio server availability  Cluster Question9 Re: DECnet Node Registration (was: It's very hard for me) 9 Re: DECnet Node Registration (was: It's very hard for me)  Re: ebay to drop Sun?  ECOs for Alpha VMS 7.1-2 Re: ECOs for Alpha VMS 7.1-2 Re: ECOs for Alpha VMS 7.1-2, Re: First come first served: VAX 11/750 (UK) Re: FTP for OpenVMS * Re: Hoff's Email Address No Longer Valid ?* Re: Hoff's Email Address No Longer Valid ? Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Re: Inform & VMS Initiatalizing a Printer Queue6 Re: is there sed on vms? (a struggling Unix user asks)2 is there sed on vms? (a struggling Unix user asks) Re: It's very hard for me  Listserv - technical question 7 Re: localtime() function C RTL don't agree w/ show time 7 Re: localtime() function C RTL don't agree w/ show time 7 Re: localtime() function C RTL don't agree w/ show time  Re: Microsoft ruling= Re: OpenVMS and IP Licensing (was Re: OVMS Executive Council) = Re: OpenVMS and IP Licensing (was Re: OVMS Executive Council)  Re: OT: Microsoft ruling Re: OT: Microsoft ruling Re: OT: Microsoft ruling" Re: Pascal Compile-TIme stack dump Portable unformatted files( Re: Precompiled Perl DBI and DBD module?( Re: Precompiled Perl DBI and DBD module? Re: Pro*C on VMS Re: Pro*C on VMS Re: Pro*C on VMS Re: Pro*C on VMS Re: Pro*C on VMS Re: Pro*C on VMS Problems with batch queues RE: Problems with batch queues Re: Problems with batch queues Re: Problems with batch queues Re: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000 $ Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500?$ Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500? Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ? 8 Storage (was: Re: We be the BIG PAINFUL OUCH in dot com)< Re: Storage (was: Re: We be the BIG PAINFUL OUCH in dot com) Re: Suggestion for authorize" Task to task READ/ERROR/TIME_OUT=x$ Test of news server...please ignore. Re: Time services 
 Time services  Re: Time services / Use of LMF for e-business software distribution ) Re: VAX-Macro problems on Alpha VMS 7.2-1  RE: Virtul memory ) Re: We be the BIG PAINFUL OUCH in dot com  Re: What others think of the Q ZLE - From DECUServe  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 12:13:13 GMT - From: "Phil Tregoning" <ptregoni@esoc.esa.de>  Subject: 1.6 GHz Alpha= Message-ID: <01bf9ef6$eea81700$4b53b083@ptregoni.esoc.esa.de>    From TechWeb News 4/4/00:   :   Samsung Electronics, in Seoul, South Korea is developing;   an Alpha microprocessor that will compete with the 64-bit :   processors of Intel and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) and,   feature a clock speed as high as 1.6 GHz.   ;   Samsung will launch samples of a 1.4-to-1.6-GHz processor 6   this year, Changkyu Hwang, vice president of Samsung:   Electronics, said during a Korean semiconductor-industry   strategy symposium.   6 See http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000404S0018   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:52:51 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: 2 microVAX II questions+ Message-ID: <38EAD4B3.C2CF69@tsoft-inc.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > d > In article <8canru$e0m$1@carroll.library.ucla.edu>, lukasz@mbi.ucla.edu (Lukasz Salwinski) writes:> > :1. what settings shall I use to connect to the console port? > :   on the bulkhead (besides matching speed) ? no matter what 9 > :   i try (data/parity/stop bits) i get only garbage... A > :   I'm using linux box and minicom as a terminal substitute...  > E >   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for the DB9 pinout and for information H >   on the MicroVAX console and the console communications requirements.A >   The OpenVMS FAQ is available at various sites, including via:  > $ >     http://www.compaq.com/openvms/ > B > :2. any idea where to get replacement battery for the bulkhead ?? > :   the original one is long dead... while booting LED on the A > :   bulkhead goes down to 3 and then jumps back to 8 so i guess @ > :   i'm supposed to set whatever is missing due to bad battery3 > :   but with problem #1 it's kind of hard... :o((  > D >   This behaviour does not initially appear to be the battery.  TheF >   battery on the MicroVAX II may well be long dead, but systems withE >   a bad battery will typically bootstrap, but will request the time > >   at the system console whenever the system is cold-started. > @ >   Here are the KA630 self-test codes used for the countdown... > % >         F       Electrical power-up ( >         E       Wait for PWR-OK signal0 >         D       ROM and time-of-year RAM tests3 >         C       Initialize console program memory   >         B       Run IPCR testsE >         A       Test QDSS/VCB02 or QVSS/VCB01 graphics (if present) : >         9       Test console port, and identify terminal" >         8       Console I/O mode* >         7       Run memory pattern tests* >         6       Run memory address tests# >         5       Run I/O map tests  >         4       Run CPU tests % >         3       Run interrupt tests . >         2       Search for a valid bootstrap9 >         1       Load the bootstrap and transfer control  > = >   (Yes, the above list is going into the next OpenVMS FAQ.)   K The FAQ keeps getting larger, and thus takes more time to search.  Possibly N things like the above, which will probably grow in time to cover every VAX andI Alpha processor that ever lived, should go into appendicies or some other H construct.  Yeah, I know, it's real easy for me to volunteer your time. M Possibly you could enlist help from the user community to format/prepare/host  stuff like this?  O I'm really starting to get the idea that if the VMS users want stuff like this, 6 then some more of "How can we help" might be in order.  K >   Your local Compaq office or Compaq Assisted Services can likely acquire J >   you the appropriate part.  Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for a pointer to3 >   information on the assisted services program...  > K >   Assuming you are trained and experienced in working directly with tools M >   and static-sensitive hardware devices, the battery packs are (IIRC) three N >   size N rechargable cells shrink-wrapped together -- check with a shop thatN >   sells rechargeable batteries for cordless telephones, as I've seen similarK >   shrink-wrapped size N battery packs in a few of these places...  Though L >   the one I was looking at was -- just to keep it all interesting -- using >   a different connector... > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:29:53 GMT  From: joecarlos@yahoo.com (Joe) ! Subject: Alpha 1000 SCSI question 5 Message-ID: <8F0D4D043joeyahoocom@news.supernews.com>   H We ha an alpha 1000 it has for disk dua100 200 300 400 also a drive mua05 it is a raid system with the following caracteristics F Disk $1$DUA400: (HS1CP1), device type MSCP served SCSI disk array, is  online, I     mounted, file-oriented device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP   Server,      error logging is enabled.   K     Error count                    0    Operations completed                 6745G     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                        [SYSTEM]<     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot             S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W L     Reference count               90    Default buffer size                  512 L     Total blocks            16751956    Sectors per track                    113 M     Total cylinders             3707    Tracks per cylinder                    40L     Host name               "HS1CP1"    Host type, avail              HSD4,  yes $     Allocation class               1  N     Volume label            "ORACLE"    Relative volume number                 0 M     Cluster size                  17    Transaction count                      82I     Free blocks              4742796    Maximum files allowed              465332N     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                            3 :     Mount status              System    Cache name         "_$1$DUA100:XQPCACHE" I     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache     474279K     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache     2618L     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache         424 4     Volume owner UIC        [SYSTEM]    Vol Prot     S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD     J The disk slows down while doing a restore of a file. I believe everything I might be connected to the same scsi bus. In mv3100 i type show scsi on >  G prompt. On this alpha I am wondering if there is a way to see how many  L buses are in the server and which devices are connecte to them. I also want I to add an dat drive to the server and i think that it would be better to  / added to a secondary scsi bus. any suggestions?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:39:40 -0400 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> % Subject: Re: Alpha 1000 SCSI question 2 Message-ID: <38EB421C.13AD0C07@clarityconnect.com>   $ ANA/SYSTEM CLUE CONFIG  CLUE SCSI/SUMMARY   C The above should give you more than enough information on your SCSI  setup.  
 Joe wrote:K > The disk slows down while doing a restore of a file. I believe everything J > might be connected to the same scsi bus. In mv3100 i type show scsi on >H > prompt. On this alpha I am wondering if there is a way to see how manyM > buses are in the server and which devices are connecte to them. I also want J > to add an dat drive to the server and i think that it would be better to1 > added to a secondary scsi bus. any suggestions?    --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:17:37 GMT * From: Gord Coulman <gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca>% Subject: Re: Alpha 1000 SCSI question , Message-ID: <38EB4419.4D6033AF@ccinet.ab.ca>  K I have a very similar setup with 4 drives, 2 cds, and a dlt4000 on the same K SCSI bus.  Performance has been quite good, but then your system might have  higher demands than mine.    Gord.   
 Joe wrote:  J > We ha an alpha 1000 it has for disk dua100 200 300 400 also a drive mua07 > it is a raid system with the following caracteristics G > Disk $1$DUA400: (HS1CP1), device type MSCP served SCSI disk array, is 	 > online, J >     mounted, file-oriented device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP	 > Server,  >     error logging is enabled.  > > >     Error count                    0    Operations completed > 67453 >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC 
 > [SYSTEM]2 >     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W = >     Reference count               90    Default buffer size  > 512 ; >     Total blocks            16751956    Sectors per track  > 113 = >     Total cylinders             3707    Tracks per cylinder  > 40M >     Host name               "HS1CP1"    Host type, avail              HSD4,  > yes & >     Allocation class               1 > @ >     Volume label            "ORACLE"    Relative volume number > 0 ; >     Cluster size                  17    Transaction count  > 82? >     Free blocks              4742796    Maximum files allowed  > 4653325 >     Extend quantity                5    Mount count  > 3 4 >     Mount status              System    Cache name > "_$1$DUA100:XQPCACHE" H >     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache > 474279J >     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache > 2618F >     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache > 424 2 >     Volume owner UIC        [SYSTEM]    Vol Prot > S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD  > K > The disk slows down while doing a restore of a file. I believe everything J > might be connected to the same scsi bus. In mv3100 i type show scsi on >H > prompt. On this alpha I am wondering if there is a way to see how manyM > buses are in the server and which devices are connecte to them. I also want J > to add an dat drive to the server and i think that it would be better to1 > added to a secondary scsi bus. any suggestions?    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:42:12 -0600 (MDT)) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com> $ Subject: Any word on PMDF / InnosoftG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0004051135110.19139-100000@athena.csdco.com>   H Is there any word on what might be happening with PMDF maintenance afterG 18 months?  I talked with Innosoft on the phone and they said they were F talking with another company about it but wouldn't say much beyond theB fact that it wasn't Compaq because they were "too much in bed with& Microsoft".  Also that it was not Sun.  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:41:13 +0200 ' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> & Subject: Re: Audio server availability) Message-ID: <38EB3469.D349B45@iaf.fhg.de>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > E > Have at it.  MMOV V2.2 will be released shortly.  Its just a simple I > matter of programming.  I don't think there is any other infrastructure 
 > missing? >   B Does it support the internal sound chip ESS 1888 of the PWS 500au?     Regards, --    ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         * ; *  Theo Jakobus                                           * ; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  * ; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       * ; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           * ; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           * ; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  * ; *                                                         * ; ***********************************************************    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:40:53 -07003 From: "Wolf, Gerald J" <Gerald.Wolf@F22.Boeing.com>  Subject: Cluster Question Q Message-ID: <C16B19ADF2A3D111882C00805FE6C65004FF3642@xch-f22bh-01.ds.boeing.com>   K I have 3 Alpha 255 workstations.  One is the server the other 2 boot off of  it. ( These systems were given new node names.' An Autogen was run on each system.  Now  The server boots up fine. L The satellites can not find their page & swap files.  They also come up into! the cluster with their old names.   G How do we get out of this predicament?  Do not know how to bring up the " satellites to run sysgen to changeK the scsnode to reflect the new node names.  Your help would be appreciated.   
 Thank You,
 Gerry Wolf Gerald (Gerry) Wolf    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:04:16 GMT . From: Ildefonso Junquero <junquero@sainsel.es>B Subject: Re: DECnet Node Registration (was: It's very hard for me)* Message-ID: <38EB10B6.25CBBC2B@sainsel.es>  L I'm sorry but I don't know how can I now if DECnet is up and running on bothH systems, and I don't know what do you mean with "running NCP from a priv	 account."   - As you can see I'm novice with these systems.     L What i can tell you is that WS1 is OpenVMS V6.2-1H3 with DECnet Phase IV and' WS2 is OpenVMS V7.2-1 with DECnet Plus.   F And in WS2 after a show sys I haven't found NET$ACP so I had to run it manually by2  1 $ run/det DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]NET$ACP.EXE    Thank you for your helpu   Ilde.          Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  H > Make sure DECnet is up and running on both systems.  Make sure you are" > running NCP from a priv account. > / > In the mean time, you can change the copy to:a >I' > copy file1.txt 8.2"USER"::sys$update:e >tJ > That is, for a long time you have been able to provide the actual DECnet# > node address instead of the name.1 > G > Ildefonso Junquero wrote in message <38EA2872.62B04313@sainsel.es>...) > >  > >o
 > >Hello all!  > >sI > >    It's very hard for me to remember how does vms work, so I'll be in?G > >this group for some days until I finish to configure my 8 new Compaq  > >OpenVMS workstations. > >VF > >    First of all, I need to copy some files from an old workstation1 > >fully configured to a new recently configured.g > >U> > >    I want to copy file1.txt from WS1 to WS2 by the command > >e, > >    copy file1.txt WS2"USER"::sys$update: > >t7 > >    where USER is a configured with no password usert > >  > >oK > >    but when I enter the command above in WS1 I get the following resultC > >: > >aJ > >    %COPY-E-OPENOUT, error opening WS2"USER"::SYS$MANAGER:[]FILE1.TXT;1 > >as output) > >    -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failedgD > >    -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachableE > >    %COPY-W-NOTCOPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000.SIMTO]FILE1.TXT;1 notc	 > >copiedt > >u > >a9 > >    this is the output of  mc ncp show node WS2 on WS1r > >i3 > >Node Volatile Summary as of  4-APR-2000 18:25:34r > >nF > >    Node           State      Active  Delay   Circuit     Next node& > >                              Links > >sB > > 8.2 (WS2)                                     EWA-0          0 > >c > >u4 > >    and the output of mc ncp show node WS1 on WS2 > >A > >i3 > >Node Volatile Summary as of  4-APR-2000 19:26:20o > >w/ > >%NCP-W-UNRCMP, Unrecognized component , Nodeo > >w > >u > > ) > >    but when i try to add WS1 on WS2 :w > >u > >   > >NCP>define node 1.10 name WS1> > >%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual > >address=000000000000 ) > >000C, PC=000000000006DC1C, PS=0000001BR > >R5 > >  Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.e4 > >    Signal arguments:   Number = 00000000000000054 > >                        Name   = 000000000000000C4 > >                                 00000000000000004 > >                                 000000000000000C4 > >                                 000000000006DC1C4 > >                                 000000000000001B > >- > >    Register dump: < > >    R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007B5982B0  R2  = > >0000000000008110z< > >    R3  = 0000000002010012  R4  = 000000000004B360  R5  = > >0000000000048104W< > >    R6  = 0000000000000001  R7  = 0000000000000000  R8  = > >000000007AF557E8n< > >    R9  = 0000000000000002  R10 = 0000000002010012  R11 = > >000000000004A570 < > >    R12 = 000000000004B360  R13 = 0000000000007738  R14 = > >000000000004A574 < > >    R15 = 0000000000000000  R16 = 000000000000040A  R17 = > >0000000000000055w< > >    R18 = 00000004001496F0  R19 = 0000000400000000  R20 = > >000000007B598938n< > >    R21 = 0000000000000000  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = > >0000000000000004S< > >    R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000001  R26 = > >000000000006DC10r< > >    R27 = 000000007B55B2E0  R28 = FFFFFFFF80000EBC  R29 = > >000000007AF55630s< > >    SP  = 000000007AF55600  PC  = 000000000006DC1C  PS  = > >000000000000001B< > >$ > >1 > >o- > >    The OpenVMS Version is 7.2-1 (I think)s > >w > >    Can you help me please? > >h > >    Thanks! > >t > >  > >l > >-- I > >______________________________________________________________________rI > >                  Ildefonso Junquero      e@mail : junquero@sainsel.es & > >    ___    __o    Software Engineer2 > >   ____  _'\<,_   Sainsel Sistemas Navales S.A.2 > > ______ (*)/ (*)  C/ Manuel Velasco Pando, N. 7* > >                  41007 Sevilla (Spain)- > >   Go faster!     Phone : +34-95-493 64 65 - > >  Use the byke!   Fax   : +34-95-493 64 33mI > >______________________________________________________________________h > >k > >?   --F ______________________________________________________________________F                   Ildefonso Junquero      e@mail : junquero@sainsel.es#     ___    __o    Software Engineero/    ____  _'\<,_   Sainsel Sistemas Navales S.A. /  ______ (*)/ (*)  C/ Manuel Velasco Pando, N. 7 '                   41007 Sevilla (Spain) *    Go faster!     Phone : +34-95-493 64 65*   Use the byke!   Fax   : +34-95-493 64 33F ______________________________________________________________________   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:07:09 GMT0. From: Ildefonso Junquero <junquero@sainsel.es>B Subject: Re: DECnet Node Registration (was: It's very hard for me)* Message-ID: <38EB1166.DB2B26AA@sainsel.es>  - As you can see I'm novice with these systems.c    [ What i can tell you is that WS1 is OpenVMS V6.2-1H3 with DECnet Phase IV and WS2 is OpenVMSS V7.2-1 with DECnet Plus.  R And in WS2 after a show sys I haven't found NET$ACP so I had to run it manually by  1 $ run/det DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]NET$ACP.EXEt  _ and after running it the result is the same, but there is a NET$ACP process in show sys listing    Thank you for your help    Ilde.        Hoff Hoffman wrote:   ] > In article <38EA2872.62B04313@sainsel.es>, Ildefonso Junquero <junquero@sainsel.es> writes:t > C >   Please pick a title relevent to the question, to better attract C >   the attention of the folks that know the answer and thus to getP* >   you your answer more quickly.  Thanks! >bI > :    It's very hard for me to remember how does vms work, so I'll be insG > :this group for some days until I finish to configure my 8 new Compaqr > :OpenVMS workstations. >yC >   If these systems are new, I will assume OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 or C >   OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1.  I will further assume that these systemstD >   are using DECnet-Plus, which is the default DECnet transport for >   these OpenVMS releases.i >rF > :    First of all, I need to copy some files from an old workstation1 > :fully configured to a new recently configured.  > :h> > :    I want to copy file1.txt from WS1 to WS2 by the command > :c, > :    copy file1.txt WS2"USER"::sys$update: > :d7 > :    where USER is a configured with no password usert >sE >   And where WS2:: has a DECnet proxy set up for WS1::WS1user set upe) >   via the AUTHORIZE utility, obviously.r > K > :    but when I enter the command above in WS1 I get the following resultn > :sJ > :    %COPY-E-OPENOUT, error opening WS2"USER"::SYS$MANAGER:[]FILE1.TXT;1 > :       as output ) > :    -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed D > :    -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachableL > :    %COPY-W-NOTCOPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000.SIMTO]FILE1.TXT;1 not copied > : 9 > :    this is the output of  mc ncp show node WS2 on WS1l >z > .. >m) > :    but when i try to add WS1 on WS2 :  > :   > :NCP>define node 1.10 name WS1 >eD >   I will assume both systems are using DECnet-Plus.  If so, pleaseD >   use the DECNET_REGISTER.EXE tool, not NCP, to register the nodesB >   in the local database.  (Most small networks typically use theD >   local database for DECnet node registration, rather than the DNS >   database.) >oD >   If you are not sure what DECnet Phase you are using, use the DCLB >   command SHOW SYSTEM to see if the node has a NET$ACP or NETACPF >   process. The former process name indicates DECnet-Plus, the latterE >   DECnet Phase IV.  You can also use the f$getsyi("DECNET_VERSION")bG >   value, looking at the low byte of the upper word for the particular ! >   DECnet phase...  For example:  >0  > $ x=f$getsyi("DECnet_Version")
 > $ sho sym x  >   X = "0005xxxx"  > $ x=f$getsyi("DECnet_Version")
 > $ sho sym x  >   X = "0004xxxx" > $c > D >   The former is DECnet-Plus, the latter indicates DECnet Phase IV.D >   The value in the lower word -- "xxxx" in the above example -- is$ >   not relevent to this discussion. >5- > :    The OpenVMS Version is 7.2-1 (I think)1 > E >   The top line of the SHOW SYSTEM output will indicate the version.  > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   --F ______________________________________________________________________F                   Ildefonso Junquero      e@mail : junquero@sainsel.es#     ___    __o    Software Engineeri/    ____  _'\<,_   Sainsel Sistemas Navales S.A.t/  ______ (*)/ (*)  C/ Manuel Velasco Pando, N. 7 '                   41007 Sevilla (Spain) *    Go faster!     Phone : +34-95-493 64 65*   Use the byke!   Fax   : +34-95-493 64 33F ______________________________________________________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:38:06 +0100tB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: ebay to drop Sun?* Message-ID: <38EB097E.532A98CF@uk.sun.com>   "Ebinger . Eric" wrote:k   > > -----Original Message-----+ > > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancynI > > As for the article stating that users are feeling the limits of UNIX,tA > > come back and play with the big boys when you have an OpenVMS F > > box that can deliver 4000 roundtrip Oracle transactions per secondF > > into a single database image because that is roughly the peak load9 > > that eBays largest back end Oracle database sustains.- > >- >-K > Let's see '4000 roundtrip Oracle transactions per second'.  Now are thoselJ > TPC-C or some undefined transaction definition that is only sufficientlyH > defined for Andrew to use to denounce any response.  If they are TPC-CL > transactions then there seems to be some technology being used that is notA > being used in any of the audited TPC-C benchmark results.  4000lC > transactions per second is equivilent to 240,000 transactions pertC > minute (tpm) (which is the normal method of measuring transactionn> > throughput).  The highest results for the TPC-C benchmark isJ > 227,079 tpmC for a CLUSTERED Proliant configuration.  The highest singleB > system (SMP) result is 135,815 tpmC for an IBM S80 server.  (TheH > highest result for a Sun system is 135,461 tpmC for an Enterprise 6500H > cluster - single system max is 115,395 for a Starfire Enterprise 10000 > with 64 cpus.) >	  = It isn't TPC-C and it uses a single database so the clusteredoB Proliant system which used a shared nothing architecture would not be relevant.   >eG > I'm really quite surprised that Sun isn't issuing press releases leftcF > and right crowing about how they have left everyone else in the dust > in database performance. >r  E I know it would be nice bragging rights but it is a specific customersC application and not a public benchmark. 4000 roundtrip transactions A per second is impressive but as you have identified its not TPC-Cp> and so any competitor asked to respond to a press release fromD Sun could quite legitimately question the nature of the transactions etc etc etc.  G I simply used it as an illustration of the kind of performance a singlelG OpenVMS/Tru64 server needs to be able to achieve just to be considered.   ? I have no doubt that eBay would like to have a faster system so A simply being able to match the performance of the existing system & would not really be a benefit to them.    > My guess and it is only a guess based on the TPC-C performance> ratios of the E10K and the existing GS140 machines is that the9 current systems would probably be good for 1300/1400 TPS.r  @ Since Kerry was good enough to publish the benchmark results forA some GS140/Wildfire DBMS comparisons it is also pretty clear thato= unless huge gains have been made in OS optimisation since thea: benchmarks were run that the 16 CPU wildfire would also be well short of the mark.b     WARNING-WARNINGe8 As anyone who has examined the TPC-C and other benchmark@ results for things like the IBM S80 in any detail will know this; use of the relative TPC-C performance of the two systems is ; potentially highly missleading. But Compaq havn't published @ SAP or any other benchmark results for the GS140 so its not that easy to find another measure.e   Regards  Andrew Harrisonh Enterprise IT Architectl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:47:23 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> ! Subject: ECOs for Alpha VMS 7.1-2 D Message-ID: <feJG4.306$4A1.12151@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  K For several reasons, we cannot upgrade to Alpha VMS 7.2, so we are going to  Alpha VMS 7.1-2.  L The latest article I found on DSN regarding ECOs to apply to Alpha VMS 7.1-2 was dated 16-June-99K Where can I find the latest complete list of ECOs recommended to be appliedo to this version of VMS.r  I Also,  our cluster currently consists of several systems with VAX VMS 7.1a# and two systems with Alpha VMS 6.2.-J Our plan is to introduce a third Alpha with VMS 7.1-2.    I have been toldL that Alpha VMS 7.1-2 is eqivalent to VMS 7.1 with regards to having mixed OSK versions.  We will soon (a few weeks) upgrade the other Alphas to VMS 7.1-2   L Somebody from DSN had suggested that we make sure that we upgrade all Alphas at the same time, but  he did I not say why.   Has anybody had any problems running this mix (VAX VMS 7.1u Alpha 6.2-1h3 and Alpha 7.1-2).a   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 18:11:53 +0200r* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: ECOs for Alpha VMS 7.1-2 ( Message-ID: <38eb65c9@news.kapsch.co.at>  v In article <feJG4.306$4A1.12151@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:L >For several reasons, we cannot upgrade to Alpha VMS 7.2, so we are going to >Alpha VMS 7.1-2.s   Sigh. ? Some others desperately wait for OpenVMS V7.3 for months now...u  M >The latest article I found on DSN regarding ECOs to apply to Alpha VMS 7.1-2  >was dated 16-June-99,L >Where can I find the latest complete list of ECOs recommended to be applied >to this version of VMS.  4 ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/  / There are at least 2 ECOs from this year there.n   -- f< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:22:08 +0100 4 From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett.@unnecessary.csc.com>% Subject: Re: ECOs for Alpha VMS 7.1-2*3 Message-ID: <38EB682F.24F689EF@unnecessary.csc.com>e   Try the site at:  1 http://www.service.digital.com/patches/index.html.  C I think that the upgrade recommendation was probably because of the8D support for mixed version clusters. Normally support is only for twoH versions in a cluster, but I may be wrong. Check your support agreement.   Adem  ! ---- Purely Personal Opinion ----g   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:43:35 +0930A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>h5 Subject: Re: First come first served: VAX 11/750 (UK)f3 Message-ID: <myXF4.61668$3b6.239562@ozemail.com.au>   H "Mike Foley" <mike.foley@technologist-dot-com-spamspam> wrote in message( news:sdvokkrulul69@corp.supernews.com... > 1 > "Dan Sugalski" <dan@sidhe.org> wrote in message-2 > news:4.3.0.20000327113258.018dfbe0@24.8.96.48...7 > > At 04:08 PM 3/27/00 +0000, Christopher Smith wrote: - > > >On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Dan Sugalski wrote:s > > >aC > > I was speaking of storage capacity, not physical size. Those 2"u drives > holdG > > a half-dozen gig or more (the one on this laptop holds 12G), just ao tadt< > > more than an RA81, unless my memory's *really* going. :) >cF >     I think it is, unless I'm misinterpretting what you are saying.. >  >     The RA81 was about 430MB   Close enough, 450mbe  ( >     The RA82 was double that, at 800MB  9 Er, no, actually it's 620Mb (I have a couple of them too)    Cheers  
 Geoff RobertsK Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,h South Australia 6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 08:28:40 +0200 - From: Jouk Jansen <JOUKJ@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>a Subject: Re: FTP for OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <38E85638.4272552D@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>h   Sam Rozenfeld wrote: >  > Hello. > K > Does anyone know of an FTP server for VMS which would work with MicrosoftsJ > Internet Explorer (I know, I know - IE is not RFC compliant) and provideG > good Unix emulation (i.e. hide version numbers and all the other good G > stuff). We haven't been able to find one that would work well in Unix M > emulation mode. Currently we are using MadGoat FTP server but we are havingfN > a lot of problems with it and most of PC based clients can't even change theJ > directory in Unix emulation mode. For example an attempt when logging inM > with ws_ftp I get a directory listing which shows /disk$user/rozenfeld/ bute< > when I try to change it - programs would issue command CWD/ > /disk$user/festival/ and get a response back:l > K > 550-Directory [.DISK$USER.FESTIVAL] not found, Requested Action not takenL > 550-Directory not found  >   > Any help would be appreciated.G Never had any problems with ws-ftp on my Pc at home and UCX4.x/TCPIP5.0  on the VMS-system at work.                               Jouk --    > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansent 		 D   joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl   E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dd G   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd,F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 02:21:17 -0400e4 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>3 Subject: Re: Hoff's Email Address No Longer Valid ?0, Message-ID: <B510539F-112EFE5@165.247.44.43>  J On Tue, Apr 4, 2000 4:27 PM, Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:
 >Hi Jerry. > 9 >Everyone in Compaq can be found by First.Last@compaq.com   D Almost.  I recently ran into a case where First.Last@compaq.com and D First.Last@digital.com were two different people with the same name.  : Of course I sent to the wrong one, and she was not amused.     ---------------------------0 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 07:02:24 GMT0* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)3 Subject: Re: Hoff's Email Address No Longer Valid ? . Message-ID: <8ceoe0$m2q$2@info.service.rug.nl>  ? In article <B510539F-112EFE5@165.247.44.43>, "Robert Deininger"8$ <rdeininger@mindspring.com> writes:   L > On Tue, Apr 4, 2000 4:27 PM, Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> > wrote: > >Hi Jerry. > >0; > >Everyone in Compaq can be found by First.Last@compaq.com0 > F > Almost.  I recently ran into a case where First.Last@compaq.com and F > First.Last@digital.com were two different people with the same name. > < > Of course I sent to the wrong one, and she was not amused.  ' Depends on what you sent, I guess.  :-)t   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 06:56:53 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: Inform & VMS_. Message-ID: <8ceo3l$m2q$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <009E81EB.0B5434E4@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG( (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   = > We recently held a christening and party for MicroVAX-IV.  l  F Brian, you have a last name which begins with "S" and a young, fertileI wife.  Will that next child be named Victor Michael, Valerie Michelle or   something similar?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:15:15 GMT?= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)_ Subject: Re: Inform & VMS 0 Message-ID: <009E824E.C58C2AF8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <8ceo3l$m2q$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: I >In article <009E81EB.0B5434E4@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG ) >(Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   >-> >> We recently held a christening and party for MicroVAX-IV.   >_G >Brian, you have a last name which begins with "S" and a young, fertile-J >wife.  Will that next child be named Victor Michael, Valerie Michelle or  >something similar?s  J Doubtful.  The wife and I aren't so young as you might think and this last5 hardware release had a difficult production schedule.c  J Sorry to disappoint you but no V.M.S. in the current line-up and certainly( none in *my* future -- maybe a grandkid?  K If it's any consolation to you however, I do have an AKA registered sheltiee8 named: Starlet Dot M L B.  ;)   She's Starlet for short.   --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:11:43 GMT2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Inform & VMS6& Message-ID: <2000Apr5.071143.1@eisner>  R In article <8ce4vk$b8o$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:  N > The immediately following article continues in the same vein by stating thatG > that VMS support for the XP1000 Workstation "continues to demonstratehL > Compaq's ongoing commitment to invest in OpenVMS", when it would be a goodH > deal more accurate to state that it simply demonstrates that VMS ain'tJ > dead - yet (I mean, why else would VMS *not* be supported on a new Alpha > workstation?).  D Because for the initial release of the box VMS was _not_ supported ?  1 That makes the current statement important to me.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 11:31:59 GMTp* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: Inform & VMSn. Message-ID: <8cf87f$qvs$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <009E824E.C58C2AF8@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG( (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   ? > Doubtful.  The wife and I aren't so young as you might think    C I was just going by the picture of her somewhere on your web pages.l  L > Sorry to disappoint you but no V.M.S. in the current line-up and certainly* > none in *my* future -- maybe a grandkid?   There's always hope!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:35:33 GMT,= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)n Subject: Re: Inform & VMSb0 Message-ID: <009E826A.C11009EC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <8cf87f$qvs$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:lI >In article <009E824E.C58C2AF8@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORGf) >(Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes: m >o@ >> Doubtful.  The wife and I aren't so young as you might think  >RD >I was just going by the picture of her somewhere on your web pages.  2 Well, I'll have to tell her of your compliment! :)  J I'll be celebrating my 28(16)th birthday this year.  It's high time I (we) stop current microVAX line.    >There's always hope!    3 boys so it's possible. --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:54:27 GMT % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>O Subject: Re: Inform & VMS ) Message-ID: <8cfgib$qmf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  & In article <2000Apr5.071143.1@eisner>,*   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam wrote:F > Because for the initial release of the box VMS was _not_ supported ? >y3 > That makes the current statement important to me.   ? A Compaq engineer (long time DEC engineer) told me that most ofn> the XP1000s  he's seen in the field are running VMS. That's in@ Scotland and I don't know if there is perhaps one large customerF skewing the figures locally but it is very interesting never the less.  ) And to repeat something I've said before:-  A We had an XP1000 in on eval pre-release and I wanted to run ANSYSSB under VMS. Problems: 1 - VMS not supported but after some fiddlingC and pointers in this group I got round that. But 2 - ANSYS had just_E dropped VMS support and suggested we run it under NT. When questionednC they said that Compaq had pushed them away from VMS and towards NT.e  D So I agree that the official support for the XP1000 is of note. WhatB I'd like to know is what happened to the Compaq personnel who made4 the initial wrong decision. Probably got promoted... --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy._   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 15:33:23 GMT:0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) Subject: Re: Inform & VMSo* Message-ID: <8cfmc3$gno@usenet.pa.dec.com>  > OpenVMSTIMES is not produced on Windows NT.. It is produced on a MAC using Quark Express.  H The Quark Express PDF file is then sent over here and I do a print... toF an LPS20 style printer to get the PS file. I happen to have done it onK a Windows NT system (I have 4 OpenVMS workstations also (and another PC)). oE IF you want next time I'll edit the PS file and put OpenVMS in it :-)e  H What I wanted to accomplish is to create a file that could be printed onK an OpenVMS system to an OpenVMS attached printer and make a reasonably niceiI looking copy of the OpenVMS in print if you didn't have a PC and/or a PDFi viewer.a      [ In article <8cdkid$btq$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: 6 |>In article <C22568B7.006AE9FE.00@jklh21.valmet.com>,% |>norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:   |>! |>> This should improve your day.  |>> ( |>> The Spring issue of OpenVMS Times is> |>> now up on the web site in PDF and PS format and soon HTML. |>> F |>>     <URL:  http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/index.html> |>  |>$ sea openvmstimes*.ps creator |>  |>******************************* |>DISK$USER:[HELBIG.LYNX]OPENVMSTIMES.PS;1 |> |>%%Creator: Windows NT 4.0r |>  |>******************************- |>DISK$USER:[HELBIG.LYNX]OPENVMSTIMES_V1.PS;1  |> |>%%Creator: Windows NT 4.01 |> |>:-)a |>G |>I've been telling the world Intel's production line runs on VAXen.  IsG |>don't want the world to tell me that the OpenVMS Times is produced on  |>NT!  |>I |>While browsing through some new Compaq documentation, I recognised the uK |>friendly traditional layout, but noticed that the fonts looked fuzzy and  I |>not as nice (this was an original, not a copy).  At the front, it says  6 |>no longer produced by VAXdocument, but by WORD.  :-( |> |>   -- oB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comB 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875f6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself /           Read http://www.openvms.digital.com/ dB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:40:47 -05001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>a Subject: Re: Inform & VMS 8 Message-ID: <8cfmjn$n67$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  J I forgot to mention that if you'd also like to send your cards and letters( to Rich Marcello, his e-mail address is:       richard.marcello@compaq.comf   Dave...1  : Dave Gudewicz <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message2 news:8cdlcs$cbd$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com...K > I too found the VMS news kinda skimpy and stale and sent Rich Marcello ano$ > email expressing these sentiments. >s	 > Dave...  > : > John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messageB > news:b0rG4.3017$X21.143494@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...L > > I just got my latest copy of  Compaq's INFORM magazine.  Now admittedly, IqJ > > just skimmed it, but it wasn't unitl I got to the insert between pages 424 > > and 43 that I even found the letters VMS at all. > >rL > > I did finally find a 2 page article with an interview with Rich MarcelloF > > (which is still talking about that northern lights ad).  There was nothinguI > > new in there.  It used to be that you could at least find information- > aboutwH > > VMS in the DECpaq private magazines that no one outside the existing > > customer base would read.M > >-D > > I think I need to learn more about that wonderful  Windows 2000. > >S > >2 >a >a   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 18:07:47 +0200o* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Inform & VMSc* Message-ID: <38eb64d3$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ] In article <8cfmc3$gno@usenet.pa.dec.com>, sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes: ? >OpenVMSTIMES is not produced on Windows NT.. It is produced onV >a MAC using Quark Express.    Yeah. Resist M$.  I >The Quark Express PDF file is then sent over here and I do a print... toyG >an LPS20 style printer to get the PS file. I happen to have done it ontL >a Windows NT system (I have 4 OpenVMS workstations also (and another PC)).   > I did print the PS file to a HP LJ5 and was very disappointed:J Overlapping text, single sided (though requested double side via DCPS),...L I so far never had this happen, when using a PDF to PS converter on OpenVMS.  F >IF you want next time I'll edit the PS file and put OpenVMS in it :-)  M Nope. I want a printable PS file (if I get a PS file at all). If this doesn't:G work on NT, then discard NT. Use PDF2PS, XPDF, GS/GV, ... instead then.n  I >What I wanted to accomplish is to create a file that could be printed onVL >an OpenVMS system to an OpenVMS attached printer and make a reasonably niceJ >looking copy of the OpenVMS in print if you didn't have a PC and/or a PDF >viewer.  G And that gives a warm feeling and is appreciated by me/us. Many thanks.:L But currently I'm forced to download the PDF, too, to get my own printout...   just my 0.02   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-8881< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:42:47 GMT0+ From: prodtwo@indigo.ie (Aluset Production)e' Subject: Initiatalizing a Printer Queuel. Message-ID: <38eb6bca.18604168@news.indigo.ie>  A I have been trying to create a printer queue on my aging Vax 3100l running VMS 5.5.  B I have been using the following command but I get a terminal queueF each time I try it instead of a printer queue. What am I doing wrong??   "INIT /QUEUE /START /ON=LTA6010I /DEFAULT=(NOBURST,NOTRAILER)( /RECORD_BLOCKING/DEVICE=PRINTER LTA6010"  . I would appreciate any help. Thanks in advance  	 Max Kellyo Ireland2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:42:16 +0200.- From: Jouk Jansen <JOUKJ@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>d? Subject: Re: is there sed on vms? (a struggling Unix user asks)o3 Message-ID: <38EAFC68.6E702A62@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>o   Obakesan wrote:n >  > HiYa > J > as a Unix user, I'm stuck thinking in these terms a little, and so I wasF > wondering if there is something like sed that I can use to bulk editH > files that need changes made which can be identified by regexpressions > as I could in sed... >  > thanks > G SED and many other programs are on the VMS-freeware CD. It can be found 
 (i.e.) at:( http://WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COM/freeware/                 Jouk -- a  > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansen  		 h   joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nls  E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     ddpG   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd-F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd3  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 06:13:18 GMTn. From: cjundieseastwd@powerup.com.au (Obakesan); Subject: is there sed on vms? (a struggling Unix user asks)i0 Message-ID: <8cele5$jhp14@inetbws1.citec.com.au>   HiYa  I as a Unix user, I'm stuck thinking in these terms a little, and so I was lE wondering if there is something like sed that I can use to bulk edit mG files that need changes made which can be identified by regexpressions   as I could in sed...     thanks   --   See Ya# (when the bandwidth gets better ;-)iH Chris Eastwood                            Please remove undies for reply Photographer, Stunt Programmer Motorcyclist and dingbat   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:57:40 +0100L- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>-" Subject: Re: It's very hard for me) Message-ID: <38EB2A34.5636D985@bbc.co.uk>e   Ildefonso Junquero wrote:m   > Hello all! >.H >     It's very hard for me to remember how does vms work, so I'll be inF > this group for some days until I finish to configure my 8 new Compaq > OpenVMS workstations.- >-   You are a lucky boy :-)-   >-E >     First of all, I need to copy some files from an old workstationm0 > fully configured to a new recently configured. >  >t >t3 >     and the output of mc ncp show node WS1 on WS2E > 2 > Node Volatile Summary as of  4-APR-2000 19:26:20 >g. > %NCP-W-UNRCMP, Unrecognized component , Node  8 Hmmm, WS2 isn't running DECNET Plus /OSI /Phase V is it?# NCP is severaly limited on Phase V.   : DECNET PLus can be removed with the PRODUCT remove commandC and Phase IV loaded on, if thats what you want. Otherwise, its time 5 to get friendly with NCL and the DECNET Plus manuals.-   HTH-   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukL  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.P   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:25:00 -0500> From: "Dryjanski, Tomasz" <Tomasz.Dryjanski@intl.fritolay.com>& Subject: Listserv - technical question$ Message-ID: <234713820@MVB.SAIC.COM>  I      Finally I have found a good news server and configured my news so I tF      can read comp.os.vms directly. And now I would like only to send <      messages to the list through SMTP but not receive them.8      Do you know how I should configure my subscription?      e      TIA       
      Tomek D.)   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 12:37:52 GMT ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)t@ Subject: Re: localtime() function C RTL don't agree w/ show time' Message-ID: <8cfc30$5li$1@joe.rice.edu>e  5 Charlie Hammond (hammond@not@peek.ppb.dec.com) wrote:k  = : Please do not execute SYS$MANAGER:UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM or aG : SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIMEZONE_SETUP.COM directly.  Yes, the documantation aE : instructs you to do this, but it is a way to get Time Zone and Timew) : Differential Factor (TDF) out of synch.   M : Instead, execute SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM and choose the BOTH option.oH : This will [re]set your time zone and supply you with defaults for TDF.  I : (Please don't blame me for the confusingly similar names!  Also, pleasefK : don't ask me what might of might not happen in a possible future version E8 : of OpenVMS which may or may not be under development.)  C Attempts to use SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to correct the Time e@ Differential Factor (TDF) failed, even though the final attempt 	 included:s     o deleting the two files:   *     - SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT%     - SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT   %   o deassigning the two TDF logicals:-       - "MCC_TDF" = "-6:00":     - "UCX$TDF" = "-6"  A   o stopping the NTP service prior to invoking UTC$TIME_SETUP.COMr     o rebooting the system  G Should the TDF that is entered in the following dialog be for standard . time, CST in our case, or DST:  4    Is Daylight Savings time in effect? (Yes/No): yes4    Enter the Time Differential Factor [-5:00]: -5:00  ; Or is there something else needed to get the TDFs correct ?n     Thanks in advance,  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)  N ============================================================================== Gory details follow...   $ ucx show version  B   Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2  -  ECO 3=   on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2c  * $ dsd SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]   = SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT;1         1/9         4-APR-2000 17:52:24.66o   Total of 1 file, 1/9 blocks.  % $ dsd SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DATt   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]h   SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT;1=                            1/9         4-APR-2000 17:51:51.70M   Total of 1 file, 1/9 blocks.  & $ type SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM.US]CENTRAL.   $ @UCX$NTPD_SHUTDOWN.COM UCX$NTPD server stoppedr   $ show logical *tdf*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)p   (LNM$JOB_80DD3E00)   (LNM$GROUP_000001)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)     "MCC_TDF" = "-6:00"i   "UCX$TDF" = "-6"   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)   $ show logical *differential*1   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)u   (LNM$JOB_80DD3E00)   (LNM$GROUP_000001)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  (   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-18000"   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)  3 $ delete/log SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT;*eJ %DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT;1 deleted (9 blocks)  . $ delete/log SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT;*N %DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT;1 deleted (9 blocks)   $ deassign/system/exec MCC_TDF   $ deassign/system/exec UCX$TDF   $ show logical *tdf*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE):   (LNM$JOB_80DD3E00)   (LNM$GROUP_000001)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)5 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *TDF*B    ! $ @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM E %UTC-I-UPDTIME, updating Time Zone information in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]     #     Configuring the Local Time Zonew    2     TIME ZONE SPECIFICATION -- Main Time Zone Menu  K       1) Australia       11) GMT             21) Mexico          31) TurkeyeH       2) Brazil          12) Greenwich       22) NZ              32) UCTG       3) CET             13) Hong Kong       23) NZ-CHAT         33) USnH       4) Canada          14) Iceland         24) Navajo          34) UTCN       5) Chile           15) Iran            25) PRC             35) UniversalI       6) Cuba            16) Israel          26) Poland          36) W-SUAH       7) EET             17) Jamaica         27) ROC             37) WETI       8) Egypt           18) Japan           28) ROK             38) Zului:       9) Factory         19) Libya           29) Singapore8      10) GB-Eire         20) MET             30) SystemV         0) None of the above  F Select the number above that best represents the desired time zone: 33  " You selected US as your time zone.$ Is this correct? (Yes/No) [YES]: yes       US Time Zone MenuP  N        1) Alaska           4) Central          7) Hawaii          10) MountainM        2) Aleutian         5) East-Indiana     8) Indiana-Starke  11) PacificmK        3) Arizona          6) Eastern          9) Michigan        12) Samoaa          0) None of the above0  E Select the number above that best represents the desired time zone: 4o  * You selected US/Central as your time zone.$ Is this correct? (Yes/No) [YES]: yes  @     Default Time Differential Factor for standard time is -6:00.G     Default Time Differential Factor for daylight saving time is -5:00.     2     Configuring the Time Differential Factor (TDF)       Enter ? anytime for help       [0]     Exit,     [1]     Set the Time Differential Factor0     [2]     Display the Time Differential Factor  # Please pick an option number [2]: 2e  >     SYSTEM TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -5:00  (-18000 seconds).>     LOCAL SYSTEM TIME               =  4-APR-2000 18:04:31.76.    2     Configuring the Time Differential Factor (TDF)       Enter ? anytime for help       [0]     Exit,     [1]     Set the Time Differential Factor0     [2]     Display the Time Differential Factor  # Please pick an option number [2]: 1     E     The Time Differential Factor (TDF) is the difference between youraE     system time and Coordinated Universal Time (UTC).  UTC is similarg1     in most repects to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).e  D     The TDF is expressed as hours and minutes, and should be entered@     in the hh:mm format.  TDFs for the Americas will be negativeE     (-3:00, -4:00, etc.); TDFs for Europe, Africa, Asia and AustraliaM(     will be positive (1:00, 2:00, etc.).  1 Is Daylight Savings time in effect? (Yes/No): yesr  1 Enter the Time Differential Factor [-5:00]: -5:00p  B     If this is a seasonal time change, it may also be necessary toD     modify the system time.  Generally, seasonal time changes resultA     in adding 1:00 hour, or adding -1:00 hour to the system time.n  2 Do you wish to modify the local system time [N]: N  0     NEW SYSTEM TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -5:00.   Is this correct? [Y]: Y   >     SYSTEM TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -5:00  (-18000 seconds).>     LOCAL SYSTEM TIME               =  4-APR-2000 18:05:04.44.   $ show logical *tdf*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)u   (LNM$JOB_80DD3E00)   (LNM$GROUP_000001)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)4 SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *TDF*   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 13:59:35 GMTi4 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.dec.com (Charlie Hammond)@ Subject: Re: localtime() function C RTL don't agree w/ show time6 Message-ID: <8cfgs7$mcc$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ( In article <8cfc30$5li$1@joe.rice.edu>, + leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:Y  D >Attempts to use SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to correct the Time A >Differential Factor (TDF) failed, even though the final attempt  
 >included: >o >  o deleting the two files: >>+ >    - SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE.DATc& >    - SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT  / These two files must be in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].rD If DIRECTORY SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE*.DAT shows them in SYS$SYSROOT,D delete them and use SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to recreate them.  O **** THE FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO FUTURE VERSION OF OPENVMS ****p  L If the file SYS$STARTUP:DTSS$UTC_STARTUP.COM is present you may need to run G SYS$UPDATE:DTSS$INSTALL_TIMEZONE_RULE.COM to recreate it with corretly.-H (Do this immediatly after [re]executing SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM.)  D If SYS$UPDATE:DTSS$INSTALL_TIMEZONE_RULE.COM is not present on your @ system, you may need to delete SYS$STARTUP:DTSS$UTC_STARTUP.COM + and DEASSIGN/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE.4     -- MK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA.D            (hammond@peek.ppb.dec.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:37:03 -0600 (MDT)) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com>$@ Subject: Re: localtime() function C RTL don't agree w/ show timeG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0004051025130.21569-100000@athena.csdco.com>l  8 If DECnet V is on the machine, it runs a task on startupE (dtss$set_timezone) even though DTSS is disabled.  Just starting and dI stopping DTSS after the time change will straighten things out or look ata> sys$startup:dtss$utc_startup.com to set the logicals yourself.  
 John Nebel    " On 5 Apr 2000, Jerry Leslie wrote:  7 > Charlie Hammond (hammond@not@peek.ppb.dec.com) wrote:3 > ? > : Please do not execute SYS$MANAGER:UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM or mI > : SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIMEZONE_SETUP.COM directly.  Yes, the documantation sG > : instructs you to do this, but it is a way to get Time Zone and Time + > : Differential Factor (TDF) out of synch.l > O > : Instead, execute SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM and choose the BOTH option.oJ > : This will [re]set your time zone and supply you with defaults for TDF. > K > : (Please don't blame me for the confusingly similar names!  Also, please-M > : don't ask me what might of might not happen in a possible future version s: > : of OpenVMS which may or may not be under development.) > E > Attempts to use SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to correct the Time  B > Differential Factor (TDF) failed, even though the final attempt  > included:a >  >   o deleting the two files:c > , >     - SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT' >     - SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DATu > ' >   o deassigning the two TDF logicals:  >  >     - "MCC_TDF" = "-6:00"S >     - "UCX$TDF" = "-6" > C >   o stopping the NTP service prior to invoking UTC$TIME_SETUP.COMi >  >   o rebooting the system > I > Should the TDF that is entered in the following dialog be for standard o  > time, CST in our case, or DST: > 6 >    Is Daylight Savings time in effect? (Yes/No): yes6 >    Enter the Time Differential Factor [-5:00]: -5:00 > = > Or is there something else needed to get the TDFs correct ?s >  >  > Thanks in advance, > 6 > --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own) > P > ============================================================================== > Gory details follow... >  > $ ucx show version > D >   Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2  -  ECO 3? >   on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2  > , > $ dsd SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT >  > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]t > ? > SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT;1         1/9         4-APR-2000 17:52:24.66p >  > Total of 1 file, 1/9 blocks. > ' > $ dsd SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DATh >  > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]i >  > SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT;1? >                            1/9         4-APR-2000 17:51:51.70p >  > Total of 1 file, 1/9 blocks. > ( > $ type SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT. > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM.US]CENTRAL. >  > $ @UCX$NTPD_SHUTDOWN.COM > UCX$NTPD server stopped  >  > $ show logical *tdf* >  > (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)l >  > (LNM$JOB_80DD3E00) >  > (LNM$GROUP_000001) >  > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >  >   "MCC_TDF" = "-6:00"' >   "UCX$TDF" = "-6" >  > (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES) >  > $ show logical *differential*- >  > (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)- >  > (LNM$JOB_80DD3E00) >  > (LNM$GROUP_000001) >  > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > * >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-18000" >  > (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES) > 5 > $ delete/log SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT;*rL > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE.DAT;1 deleted (9 blocks) > 0 > $ delete/log SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT;*P > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYS$TIMEZONE_SRC.DAT;1 deleted (9 blocks) >   > $ deassign/system/exec MCC_TDF >   > $ deassign/system/exec UCX$TDF >  > $ show logical *tdf* >  > (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)a >  > (LNM$JOB_80DD3E00) >  > (LNM$GROUP_000001) >  > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >  > (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)7 > %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *TDF*  >  > # > $ @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COMnG > %UTC-I-UPDTIME, updating Time Zone information in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]  >  > % >     Configuring the Local Time Zone  >  > 4 >     TIME ZONE SPECIFICATION -- Main Time Zone Menu > M >       1) Australia       11) GMT             21) Mexico          31) TurkeyhJ >       2) Brazil          12) Greenwich       22) NZ              32) UCTI >       3) CET             13) Hong Kong       23) NZ-CHAT         33) USeJ >       4) Canada          14) Iceland         24) Navajo          34) UTCP >       5) Chile           15) Iran            25) PRC             35) UniversalK >       6) Cuba            16) Israel          26) Poland          36) W-SU-J >       7) EET             17) Jamaica         27) ROC             37) WETK >       8) Egypt           18) Japan           28) ROK             38) Zulu < >       9) Factory         19) Libya           29) Singapore: >      10) GB-Eire         20) MET             30) SystemV >  >       0) None of the above > H > Select the number above that best represents the desired time zone: 33 > $ > You selected US as your time zone.& > Is this correct? (Yes/No) [YES]: yes >  >     US Time Zone Menu  > P >        1) Alaska           4) Central          7) Hawaii          10) MountainO >        2) Aleutian         5) East-Indiana     8) Indiana-Starke  11) Pacific M >        3) Arizona          6) Eastern          9) Michigan        12) Samoa: >  >        0) None of the above  > G > Select the number above that best represents the desired time zone: 4  > , > You selected US/Central as your time zone.& > Is this correct? (Yes/No) [YES]: yes > B >     Default Time Differential Factor for standard time is -6:00.I >     Default Time Differential Factor for daylight saving time is -5:00.e >  > 4 >     Configuring the Time Differential Factor (TDF) >  >     Enter ? anytime for help >  >     [0]     Exit. >     [1]     Set the Time Differential Factor2 >     [2]     Display the Time Differential Factor > % > Please pick an option number [2]: 2: > @ >     SYSTEM TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -5:00  (-18000 seconds).@ >     LOCAL SYSTEM TIME               =  4-APR-2000 18:04:31.76. >  > 4 >     Configuring the Time Differential Factor (TDF) >  >     Enter ? anytime for help >  >     [0]     Exit. >     [1]     Set the Time Differential Factor2 >     [2]     Display the Time Differential Factor > % > Please pick an option number [2]: 1  >  > G >     The Time Differential Factor (TDF) is the difference between youroG >     system time and Coordinated Universal Time (UTC).  UTC is similaro3 >     in most repects to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).u > F >     The TDF is expressed as hours and minutes, and should be enteredB >     in the hh:mm format.  TDFs for the Americas will be negativeG >     (-3:00, -4:00, etc.); TDFs for Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia * >     will be positive (1:00, 2:00, etc.). > 3 > Is Daylight Savings time in effect? (Yes/No): yesg > 3 > Enter the Time Differential Factor [-5:00]: -5:00- > D >     If this is a seasonal time change, it may also be necessary toF >     modify the system time.  Generally, seasonal time changes resultC >     in adding 1:00 hour, or adding -1:00 hour to the system time.v > 4 > Do you wish to modify the local system time [N]: N > 2 >     NEW SYSTEM TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -5:00. >  > Is this correct? [Y]: Yi > @ >     SYSTEM TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -5:00  (-18000 seconds).@ >     LOCAL SYSTEM TIME               =  4-APR-2000 18:05:04.44. >  > $ show logical *tdf* >  > (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)n >  > (LNM$JOB_80DD3E00) >  > (LNM$GROUP_000001) >  > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >  > (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)6 > SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *TDF* >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:24:43 GMTk% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>  Subject: Re: Microsoft ruling ) Message-ID: <8cf7ph$gt3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  : In article <t9qG4.3317$ZE4.68100@ord-read.news.verio.net>,-   "J P  Lahman" <jlahman@oh.verio.com> wrote: E > If the government can squeeze Bill Gates, they can squeeze anybody.  Look attH > what they did to tobacco and what they are trying to do to the handgunB > industry.  What gives the government the right to decide what is	 right and 3 > wrong?  And, how much wealth have you lost today?o  C Forgetting the politics for the moment how about 'equal treatment'..? Microsoft only got where they were today because IBM had fallenoA victim of ant-trust legislation in the past. Forget the MicrosofteB nonsense that they outwitted IBM. IBM knew fine that if they tried@ to own the OS they'd get toasted. The only reason IBM aren't theB world's only major computer company is because of anti-trust laws.  D Same reason there isn't only one oil company and only one US telecom	 provider.   ) It's not perfect but fair is fair surely?d   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:07:45 +0100oB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>F Subject: Re: OpenVMS and IP Licensing (was Re: OVMS Executive Council)* Message-ID: <38EB1071.82407746@uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  q > In article <38E88C89.16B2545A@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  > > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: >cN > >> How do the competitors fare in this regard? With Linux it's obviously notQ > >> an issue. Microsoft appears to allow you to move OS licenses between systems 1 > >> when you upgrade hardware. What does Sun do?= > >=E > > Sun does not charge for Solaris on our workstations or servers so D > > transfering OS licenses between an old machine and a new machineC > > does not have any relevance as the new machine is automatically 
 > > licensed.S > >Y= > > Sun does charge for media but you can use one copy of theE; > > media on as many systems as you like, or you can set upf  A >Does Sun allow you to share the media with a friend from anothereA >company ?  Compaq does not allow this on commercial license, but ( >I believe they do on hobbyist licenses.  8 I don't know what the licensing rules are for the media.> I had a very brief look at the licensing rules and there isn't7 anything I can see that specifies that the media cannot  be transfered.  = Note that the media does not include Solaris licenses for SunP; machines because all the machines are supplied with SolarisU: licenses. So this is different to Compaqs approach because6 Compaq are providing you with a license to run OpenVMS! on Alpha with the Hobbysit media.S  = Sun is simply providing you with the media, you allready haveO the license.   >eC > > I understand that Compaq do have a difficulty with Alpha in theY> > > sense that you can run either Tru64 or OpenVMS on the same. > > box but this does not seem unsurmountable. > >I9 > > So why does Compaq not include an appropriate OpenVMSbA > > or Tru64 license for free with each Alpha Server/Workstation,U >T; > Effectively they do, but they also sell boxes without theB< > license to accomodate the Linux crowd.  I would think that9 > Sun would have the same issue when someone wants to runl > Linux on Sparc.   > No it isn't quite the same. Sun does not supply SPARC machines@ without a Solaris license. So if you buy a Sun and choose to run' Linux you still have a Solaris license.C  B My understanding of the Compaq situation is that Compaq do provide? systems without any OS licenses at all. You can then get Linux,12 the OpenVMS hobbyist license etc (is this correct)   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:20:26 GMT2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)F Subject: Re: OpenVMS and IP Licensing (was Re: OVMS Executive Council)& Message-ID: <2000Apr5.072026.1@eisner>  o In article <38EB1071.82407746@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:n > Larry Kilgallen wrote:  B >>Does Sun allow you to share the media with a friend from anotherB >>company ?  Compaq does not allow this on commercial license, but) >>I believe they do on hobbyist licenses.e > : > I don't know what the licensing rules are for the media.@ > I had a very brief look at the licensing rules and there isn't9 > anything I can see that specifies that the media cannot  > be transfered. > ? > Note that the media does not include Solaris licenses for Sund= > machines because all the machines are supplied with Solaris < > licenses. So this is different to Compaqs approach because8 > Compaq are providing you with a license to run OpenVMS# > on Alpha with the Hobbysit media.  > ? > Sun is simply providing you with the media, you allready havee > the license.  > In the case of Compaq, the license PAK is delivered separately? from the media (well, it might be in the same cardboard carton, ; but it is not the same line number on the order or the same( physical representation).   D > My understanding of the Compaq situation is that Compaq do provideA > systems without any OS licenses at all. You can then get Linux, 4 > the OpenVMS hobbyist license etc (is this correct)  = Correct.  For those who want to run a commercial VMS machine, < however, the pricing is typically such that buying the whole= package with license included is slightly cheaper than buying  the pieces separately.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 07:33:55 GMTe) From: Carl Harrison <charrison@inbis.com>b! Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft rulinge) Message-ID: <8ceq93$37t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n  B Do you want a company with that much power. Governments can be re-E elected by the entire population whilst only greedy share holders can  influence company policy.n    C In article <zHrG4.1386$Vb6.46451@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,A7   "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote:fB > The point was that the government has nearly unlimited powers of	 coercion../ > Do we want a government with that much power?  >r > Mike Ober. >e9 > "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in messagea* > news:8cdcrs$9lt$1@info.service.rug.nl...C > > In article <t9qG4.3317$ZE4.68100@ord-read.news.verio.net>, "J Pu Lahman"n  > <jlahman@oh.verio.com> writes: > > C > > > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageN6 > > > news:8cb27o$fuk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > > > >i@ > > > > In article <38E906B9.860858D5@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei/ > > > <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: C > > > > :...the gorvernment has released the ruling on Microsoft...EE > > > > :...Microsoft is guilty of violating Sherman Antitrust Act...A > > > @ > > > If the government can squeeze Bill Gates, they can squeeze anybody.	 > Look at-D > > > what they did to tobacco and what they are trying to do to the handgunp > > > industry.i > >mC > > Interesting constallation.  Difficult to find three other termseF > > containing more damage done to humanity than tobacco, handguns and Bill
 > > Gates. > >d >  >e    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:27:43 GMTr% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>t! Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft rulingn) Message-ID: <8cf7v4$h6n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>Y  C In article <zHrG4.1386$Vb6.46451@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, 7   "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote:SB > The point was that the government has nearly unlimited powers of	 coercion.$/ > Do we want a government with that much power?*  ? In an ideal world no but I certainly don't want the alternativeED of Bill gates having such unlimited power. At least you can vote out the government.u   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.D   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 14:40:44 GMTM2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)! Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft ruling , Message-ID: <8cfj9c$ld3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  z In article <zHrG4.1386$Vb6.46451@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes:K >The point was that the government has nearly unlimited powers of coercion.p. >Do we want a government with that much power?  J Yes.  In democratic nations government power is ultimately limited by whatI the electorate will allow.  Go too far beyond that and you'll be out nextcI term. And the government does serve certain useful functions, among them,sI limiting the actions of the monopolists.  You think Microsoft is bad now?DD It boggles the mind what they might have been like had there been no> antitrust laws or no government strong enough to enforce them.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduo? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:00:25 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>+ Subject: Re: Pascal Compile-TIme stack dumpT+ Message-ID: <8c9q3r$g2m@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>$  R "McCormick" <mccormm@indy.net> wrote in message news:8c0n6o$qh$1@nnrp1.deja.com...N >   We have a particular program module in our library that occasionally has aJ > stack dump during compilation. Weve upgraded to using version 5.7 of theM > Pascal compiler, up from version 5.6.  We're using version 7.1-H2 of VMS onf3 > an Alpha.  Here's what the stack dump looks like:e  U Don't lose sleep over this one. If the compiler crashes, it's a compiler (or RTL bug)eS by definition. Cut your code down to the smallest example that bombs and file a bugp report.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:07:49 +0200 ' From: anonymous <pittori@roma2.infn.it>o# Subject: Portable unformatted files - Message-ID: <38EB1E85.D8237197@roma2.infn.it>    Hi,RG I used to run  fortran files which produced (at high CPU price...) many . data files UNFORMATTED on a alpha/VMS machine.8 Now I would like to use them on a  PC/LINUX (mandrake) .H I find that  the  PC g77-produced executable files refuse to read  them. IsE there a  simple solution  to convert the VMS  unformatted data files,o8 which does NOT implies to re-run all the MonteCarlo's ?? Thank  you very much,a Carlotta Pittori  F p.s. I found nowhere a clear answer to this question , not even in the4 "FROM  VMS TO LINUX HOWTO" and maybe I'm not able to5 understand the  VMS help  on the  CONVERT  command...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:04:17 -0400=" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>1 Subject: Re: Precompiled Perl DBI and DBD module?o6 Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000405125840.0190c690@24.8.96.48>  - At 11:45 AM 4/5/00 -0500, Chihfang Lin wrote: L >We do have Oracle and DEC C. I went to CPAN site yesterday, and downloaded G >the two modules (..._tar.gz). But looks like they are for Unix, and I tJ >could not untar the files on my PC.  Is there a version of these modules J >for OpenVMS?  Or I need to untar them on a Unix machine and somehow move 0 >all files to OpenVMS and build them from there?  H The modules are platform-independent and should build OK on VMS. You'll L need a version of VMSTAR and GZIP, both available on the freeware CD or off G the OpenVMS website (www.openvms.digital.com). Just ungzip, untar, and XE follow the directions. You should be fine. (I know it worked at some d' point--I did the initial port to VMS :)M   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"--------------------2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenB;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:45:31 -0500 & From: Chihfang Lin <chihfang@rice.edu>1 Subject: Re: Precompiled Perl DBI and DBD module?-( Message-ID: <38EB6DAB.393B9177@rice.edu>  N We do have Oracle and DEC C. I went to CPAN site yesterday, and downloaded theK two modules (..._tar.gz). But looks like they are for Unix, and I could not)O untar the files on my PC.  Is there a version of these modules for OpenVMS?  Or P I need to untar them on a Unix machine and somehow move all files to OpenVMS and build them from there?  $ Any advice will be much appreciated.   Chihfang Lin   Dan Sugalski wrote:a  / > At 12:13 PM 4/3/00 -0500, Chihfang Lin wrote:G > >Hi: > >EC > >Does anyone know where I can find precompiled DBI and DBD (Perl)MK > >modules?  We have Perl 5.0005-03 installed currently, and we are runningI > >Alpha OVMS7.1.O   <cut>   D > You're best off snagging the modules off of CPAN and building themK > yourself. (It's not particularly difficult if you've got Oracle and Dec C)I > installed, and if you don't you're not going to get very far anyway...)) >-- >                                         Dan  >)N > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------N > Dan Sugalski                          General and VMS-specific perl training > dan@sidhe.org)@ >                                       Mail me for more details   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:13:06 +0200 - From: Rainer Burger <rainer.burger@gamed.com>  Subject: Re: Pro*C on VMSa) Message-ID: <38EB1FC2.E8DD061B@gamed.com>e  3 Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format.)& --------------285371A18ED518BF1D2F70D8* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitU   Hi  I Since you did not specify if you will be using mms (make file system fromeM OPENVMS, must be payed seperately) or just a DCL command script, I attached a 8 mms make file for a simple application using embedded C.  M To make libraries out of objects, just check the library utility from VMS (or % take a quick look with help library).   F To make a shareable image out of it, use the /share qualifier with cc.  H To link with an shareable image, you have to create an options file (seeG docu). In this you can also specify everything you want to link to yourD; executable. The VMS linker manual has a lot of information.   J To instal a shareable image you need to check the instal command (use help instal)   	 Enjoy VMSe   Rainer Graham Van Der Vaart schrieb:n   > Hi >eG > We have infrastructure components ( C shared libraries and services )r) > compiled on a HP-UX box running Oracle.aL > A shared library, "a.sl" (general functions) was created from five objects, > of which one (including database functionsH > such as database connects, commits etc) was precompiled using Oracle's > Pro*C.J > Another shared library, "b.sl" ( batch kernel functions) was created and > linked to "a.sl".  >tL > Services such as "c.exe" (batch programs) are linked to both a.sl and b.slG > We now wish to port this all to OpenVMS on ALPHA also running Oracle.  > L > I am unsure how to go about this ie: how to use cc, proc, lnproc and link.4 > When do you copy and install the shareable images?F > What would the make file look like? Are there any makefile templates > available? >e	 > Regards  > Graham >u > Graham Van der vaart > Senior Systems Analyst > AST-Abraxas Kwazulu-Natali >b > Tel:    034 31481520 > Cell:   083 327 0801 > Fax:    034 31 8844n   --
 Rainer Burgeri SIEMENS AG, ATD MP 5S: rainerburger@compuserve.com 4 Office phone: +49-9131-742858 (-742052), fax -721020? Actual Location:  GAMED, Harterstrasse 48, A-8053 Graz, Austriaa%     Tel.: +43-316-278660-20, Fax: -10e    & --------------285371A18ED518BF1D2F70D8+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;   name="example.mms"o Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline;  filename="example.mms"m  N !***************************************************************************** !cA ! MMS description file for PROC rooutines compilation and linking0 !s) ! CALL : $ MMS/DESC=USER:[MKF]PSS_HEA.MMS  ! or :   $ @JOB PSS_HEA4 !.O !******************************************************************************) ! modification history, ! when          who                     what, ! 3.10.96       Krines          Last update.   SRC = user:[src.PSS_SND] OBJ = user:[obj] EXE = user:[exe] LIS = user:[lis]   # Compiler-/Linker-optionsO #******************************************************************************tH #CFLAG1          = /NODEB/NOOP/NOLIST/prefix_library_entries=all_entries CCFLAGS = /NODEB/NOOP/NOLIST7 PFLAGS  =  DBMS=V6 SQLCHECK=SEMANTICS USERID=cpc/acbcpcz   .FIRST     @ write sys$output ""y>     @ write sys$output "       Start PSS_HEA routines update "  
 ! ********  . $(EXE)PSS_HEA.EXE DEPENDS_ON $(OBJ)PSS_HEA.OBJ  2           LNPROC $(EXE)PSS_HEA $(OBJ)PSS_HEA.OBJ M  , $(OBJ)PSS_HEA.OBJ DEPENDS_ON $(SRC)PSS_HEA.C  3         CC $(SRC)PSS_HEA.C /OBJ=$(OBJ)PSS_HEA.OBJ -m-                 /LIS=$(LIS)PSS_HEA $(CCFLAGS)y  + $(SRC)PSS_HEA.C DEPENDS_ON $(SRC)PSS_HEA.PCe  2         PROC1  $(PFLAGS)  INAME=$(SRC)PSS_HEA.PC -#               ONAME=$(SRC)PSS_HEA.Cn  G ! In the lines following the .LAST directive you can place any commands B ! you want to be executed after everything else (e.g. purge files) .LASTw@         @ write sys$output "       End PSS_HEA routines update "& --------------285371A18ED518BF1D2F70D8- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="rainer.burger.vcf"w Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 3 Content-Description: Visitenkarte fr Rainer Burger0  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="rainer.burger.vcf"e   begin:vcard  n:Burger;Rainer: tel;work:+43 316 278660 20 x-mozilla-html:TRUE  url:www.siemens.de org:SIEMENS AG;ATD MP 5S1 adr:;;Schuhstrasse 60;Erlangen;Bayern;D-91050;BRD8 version:2.15* email;internet:rainerburger@compuserve.com title:Commissioning engineern note;quoted-printable:Actual Location:=0D=0A=0D=0AGAMEDmbH=0D=0AHarterstrasse 48=0D=0AA-8053 Graz=0D=0AAustria fn:Rainer Burger	 end:vcardc  ( --------------285371A18ED518BF1D2F70D8--   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:41:03 GMT % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>i Subject: Re: Pro*C on VMSr) Message-ID: <8cf8od$htf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  ( In article <8cdpbl$srv$1@pyrite.mv.net>,*   "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:G > How nice to see a migration in this direction!  Just out of curiosity  (andE > possibly of some help to Graham as well), just what kind of supportu (if any,F > now that the POSIX environment is no more) does VMS provide for this kind ofy  + POSIX support is on it's way back isn't it?c --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:13:24 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>s Subject: Re: Pro*C on VMSm( Message-ID: <8cfaif$gdu$1@pyrite.mv.net>  0 Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8cf8od$htf$1@nnrp1.deja.com...r* > In article <8cdpbl$srv$1@pyrite.mv.net>,, >   "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:I > > How nice to see a migration in this direction!  Just out of curiositys > (andG > > possibly of some help to Graham as well), just what kind of support 
 > (if any,H > > now that the POSIX environment is no more) does VMS provide for this	 > kind ofh >y- > POSIX support is on it's way back isn't it?   G But the fact that it may be resurrected isn't all that much help today.q9 That's why I asked what other support might be available.f   - bill   > -- > Alan Greig >s >i( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:09:02 -0400u" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: Pro*C on VMS 6 Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000405085708.018db990@24.8.96.48>  - At 05:46 PM 4/4/00 -0600, Wayne Sewell wrote:SE >In article <4.3.0.20000404110336.018fa9f0@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski c ><dan@sidhe.org> writes:L > > Whatever you do, do *not* try to link your shareable image directly. UseM > > lnproc. Oracle does some horribly bizarre and evil things with the linkeri0 > > that you don't even want to try and emulate. > >  >h >cI >Still???  I knew they were doing weird stuff back in 82 or so, the last  K >time I used oracle on vms, but they've had a hell of a long time to learn I >how vms >works.:  F As of 7.3.2.3.2, yep. The link script didn't look as bad as the 7.1.3 H script, but still pretty nasty. They also link against at least a dozen 5 oracle images and libraries, jut to make it more fun.t  L >The problem I had back then was based shareable images.  Since such images H >have a fixed virtual address, heaven help you if *another* based image G >overlaps that address range; you can't link at all.  That happened to eC >us.  Fortunately the owner of the second image fixed the position sK >dependent code.  Once it went PIC, it floated in the virtual memory space  @ >with the non-oracle images and let oracle have the fixed range.  J I don't know if they're still doing it, but they were as of 7.1, I think. K (I tried following along with the link script but it was odd enough that I q, couldn't quite tell what they were doing...)   					Dan  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------L Dan Sugalski                          General and VMS-specific perl training
 dan@sidhe.orga>                                       Mail me for more details   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:07:39 -0400s" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: Pro*C on VMSa6 Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000405090154.0192b100@24.8.96.48>  . At 01:13 PM 4/5/00 +0200, Rainer Burger wrote:N >To make libraries out of objects, just check the library utility from VMS (or& >take a quick look with help library). >tG >To make a shareable image out of it, use the /share qualifier with cc.i  H Um.... no. To make a shareable image you need to *link* with the /share @ qualifier, not compile with it. Normally the link would go like:      link/share=foo foo,foo/opts  I but with Oracle, because you need to use their private link script, it's e
 more like:      lnproc foo foo,foo/opt i   G Either way you need an options file to tell the linker what symbols to    export from the shareable image.   					Dan  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------L Dan Sugalski                          General and VMS-specific perl training
 dan@sidhe.orgv>                                       Mail me for more details   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:50:17 +0100i- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e Subject: Re: Pro*C on VMSe) Message-ID: <38EB4499.926DE071@bbc.co.uk>6   Alan Greig wrote:r   >t- > POSIX support is on it's way back isn't it?i  J Really? I must have missed that. All this "one minute you got it, then  we takeG it away then we give it back" stuff ain't good for VMS's image, surely.n  --c6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.g   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:32:32 +01009 From: "Miller, Daniel" <Daniel.Miller@Nightfreight.co.uk>d# Subject: Problems with batch queues A Message-ID: <017BBD86A4F6D3118D640020182FB53D049FEE@NF-HOUSE-NT1>    Hi everyone,  B Has anyone had any problems with Openvms 7.2-1 and batch queues?    G We have two separate batch jobs which run daily, one at 11:00am and onee< at 23:00pm.  They both resubmit themselves for the next day.  B The batch job which runs at 23:00pm did not run on 4/3/00 and as aF consequence did not resubmit itself for 5/3/00.  However the job which@ runs at 11:00am ran twice on the 4/3/00 and was submitted twice.  >D It looks like somehow the 23:00 job has been replaced by or confusedH with the 11:00 job.  i cant see anything in the logs which submitted theC jobs for the 4/3/00. Also the two logs for the 11:00am job look ok,o  other than there being two logs.  
 Daniel Millerl Nightfreight Plc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:38:20 +0100- From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk>o' Subject: RE: Problems with batch queues-; Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE316360@REAES2>s  > From: Miller, Daniel [mailto:Daniel.Miller@Nightfreight.co.uk] Sent: 05 April 2000 12:33$   > Hi everyone, > D > Has anyone had any problems with Openvms 7.2-1 and batch queues?   > : > We have two separate batch jobs which run daily, one at  > 11:00am and one > > at 23:00pm.  They both resubmit themselves for the next day. > D > The batch job which runs at 23:00pm did not run on 4/3/00 and as aH > consequence did not resubmit itself for 5/3/00.  However the job whichB > runs at 11:00am ran twice on the 4/3/00 and was submitted twice. >   F > It looks like somehow the 23:00 job has been replaced by or confused= > with the 11:00 job.  i cant see anything in the logs which e > submitted theiE > jobs for the 4/3/00. Also the two logs for the 11:00am job look ok,t" > other than there being two logs. >   E Without more information, such as the exact commands you used, or thesI contents of the log files that 'look ok', it's impossible to be specific.   I However, as a general point of good coding, if you want to resubmit a jobcE exactly 1 day (or 12 hours) after its last submission, I would always$H recommend getting the submission time and adding 1 day (or 12 hours). AsH you cannot be sure if your job is subject to arbitrary delays (on a busyH queue with a low job_limit, perhaps). Otherwise your job submission timeI could slip around the clock and get thoroughly screwed, and you will loser! control of the time the job runs.H  * e.g. In your job you can enter the lines..  G $ start_time = f$GETQUI("DISPLAY_ENTRY","SUBMISSION_TIME",,"THIS_JOB") sB $ next_time  = F$CVTIME(start_time+"+1-","ABSOLUTE")  !(for 1 day)  D (In fact, if you're one of those unixish everything-on-one-line type7  of nerds, you can glue these 2 into one enormous line)4  * - then you can SUBMIT/AFTER="''next_time'"    -- Cheers, John  F  - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not theI   opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg didnE   nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems then D   please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).  x  K ___________________________________________________________________________tB This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of   Sema Group. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received thismI email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or 1- copying of this email is strictly prohibited.u  E If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group0. Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________N   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:11:16 GMTs% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>d' Subject: Re: Problems with batch queuesa) Message-ID: <8cfhhl$rs1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>O  A In article <017BBD86A4F6D3118D640020182FB53D049FEE@NF-HOUSE-NT1>,s<   "Miller, Daniel" <Daniel.Miller@Nightfreight.co.uk> wrote: > Hi everyone, >dB > Has anyone had any problems with Openvms 7.2-1 and batch queues?  B Nope, no problem with batch queues that I've seen. Well I did have@ a batch job submit itself 32k times (log file version limit) oneB day when we moved from VAX 7.1 to Alpha 7.2-1 due to a job running@ before midnight which had run well after midnight on the VAX but that wasn't VMS's fault :)  E > We have two separate batch jobs which run daily, one at 11:00am andi one@> > at 23:00pm.  They both resubmit themselves for the next day. > D > The batch job which runs at 23:00pm did not run on 4/3/00 and as aH > consequence did not resubmit itself for 5/3/00.  However the job whichB > runs at 11:00am ran twice on the 4/3/00 and was submitted twice. >oF > It looks like somehow the 23:00 job has been replaced by or confusedF > with the 11:00 job.  i cant see anything in the logs which submitted thetE > jobs for the 4/3/00. Also the two logs for the 11:00am job look ok,i" > other than there being two logs.  D I'd tend to suspect finger trouble here. Could someone have manually submitted the wrong job twice? --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:28:09 -0700g7 From: "Arthur E. Ragosta" <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>a' Subject: Re: Problems with batch queues 3 Message-ID: <38EB5B89.B7D07328@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>,   "Miller, Daniel" wrote:p   > Hi everyone, > B > Has anyone had any problems with Openvms 7.2-1 and batch queues? >mI > We have two separate batch jobs which run daily, one at 11:00am and one > > at 23:00pm.  They both resubmit themselves for the next day. >aD > The batch job which runs at 23:00pm did not run on 4/3/00 and as aH > consequence did not resubmit itself for 5/3/00.  However the job whichB > runs at 11:00am ran twice on the 4/3/00 and was submitted twice. >rF > It looks like somehow the 23:00 job has been replaced by or confusedJ > with the 11:00 job.  i cant see anything in the logs which submitted theE > jobs for the 4/3/00. Also the two logs for the 11:00am job look ok, " > other than there being two logs. >  > Daniel MillerB > Nightfreight Plc  < This didn't happen to occur on daylight savings day, did it?   Have you looked at Kronos?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:45:27 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>( Subject: Re: Scary.. nasdaq on Win 20000, Message-ID: <8cfjid$13lc@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagea) news:38EA7708.A60AC950@vl.videotron.ca...  > R >                      www.nasdaq.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000 >iD Over here in the UK, there was concern how the London Stock ExchangeK would react to the fluctuations in the NASDAQ. It reacted by being offline.s' Some extremely red faces there I guess.p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:17:26 GMTn* From: j-sivier@uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier )- Subject: Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500?c6 Message-ID: <aOIG4.6189$nb2.133679@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  ( [much info on boards in VAXstation 3500]  ? >  You have no serial lines other than the console serial line.d  K    Thanks for the info.  If I am unable to get my VAXstation II/GPX runningoH again (which has plenty of serial ports), is this one serial line usableH for something other than the alternate console?  I need at least the oneJ serial line to communicate with the system that this machine is used with.H It doesn't look like there is any spare room for adding in serial ports,) even if such a board was still available.n      Thanks again.   Jonathan  8 --------------------------------------------------------8 |  Jonathan Sivier      |  Flight Simulation Lab       |8 |  j-sivier@uiuc.edu    |  Beckman Institute           |8 |  Work: 217/244-1923   |  405 N. Mathews              |8 |  Home: 217/359-8225   |  Urbana, IL  61801           |8 --------------------------------------------------------8 |  Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier  |8 --------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:05:21 -0700l< From: Chris Doran <chrisj.doranNOchSPAM@physics.org.invalid>- Subject: Re: serial ports on VAXstation 3500?-9 Message-ID: <0edfa2fc.2e551904@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com>   9 In article <aOIG4.6189$nb2.133679@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, j-c) sivier@uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier ) wrote:  >...; >It doesn't look like there is any spare room for adding in*
 serial ports,** >even if such a board was still available.  ; Since you have Ethernet, why not get a DECserver? The early:8 models should be going quite cheap now, as (IIRC) Compaq) couldn't be bothered to Y2K-certify them.*   Chris*  L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:26:20 +0200i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>*" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?( Message-ID: <38EAF8AC.F43C7E6@gtech.com>   David Turner wrote:a > Here's a point > 4 > What is the average age of people in this group??? > L > I would guess around 40-50 years old with a few in their thirties... maybe > 2 > What happens to VMS when noone has heard of it ?* > When the current IT managers retire ???? > M > We as Grandfathers of the future can rant and rave of the benefits  of thisSD > wonderous OS, but do they teach it in schools, or will they ever ? > - > I can guess the answer is probably a big NOP > N > As far as I know - Unix and NT are favorites in the colleges, well they were. > when I was there studying languages, anyhow.N > Every Alpha we have sold this month, with the expection of 1 to a well known( > Space Agency, have been Tru64 or Linux  5 I think this audience can be grouped in 3 categories:   F * a large group of 30-40 year olds which learned VMS is the golden VAX VMS days in12   the 80's - this is undoubtetly the largest groupE * a smaller group of 40-60 year olds which started with PDP-somethingi ando   migrated to VAX VMStE * a very small group of 20-30 year olds which learned VMS in the 90's=  & The last group is obviously too small.  G And yes. In the 80's students learned VMS. In the 90's students learnedm	 Unix. And:= today students only learn Windows. And that can be a problem.1  H But the first large group has around 30 years left on the job-market, so it is not that bad.  F Furthermore VMS is not alone with that problem. IBM mainframe have the sameB problem. Unix will have the same problem in 10 years (unless Linux really gets around).  ( Sites will simply have to train people !   Arne   ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:44:19 GMT* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?& Message-ID: <2000Apr2.234419.1@eisner>  ] In article <sefo01o4eop133@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> writes:u3 > In repsonse to the gentleman stating "get a clue"o > M > The Online Broker/Dealer market, I believe, is a very informative medium bynM > which we can not particularly predict the market, but at least "get a clue"s2 > of what exactly the business is vearing towards. > F > I am just stating a fact that from what we see, ON THE DEALER onlineL > networks, we have noticed a remarkable decline in the purchase of both NEW- > and USED DEC/Compaq VMS based ALpha systemsD > L > If anyone can enlighten us as to what exactly  the stas would be , withVMS/ > and Tru64 in mind, then I would appreciate itc >   7 	JF proposes spinning it off which of course would make.; 	greater sense ala CMGI (if that is what they wanted to do t< 	and get back to their core, maybe package Tandem to make it7 	interesting).   Reading the latest literature , Springn< 	Inform magazine for example.... Compaq seems to me at least< 	to have a good message here by applying the NonStop moniker@ 	across all lines and writing up several good articles detailing? 	just where they are with each OS they own or use.. Tandem NSK, > 	Tru64, VMS, NT and highlighting success stories.  Seems to meD 	Compaq is very interested in the Enterprise and perhaps the impetusC 	in buying Tandem initially then Digital (got services with Digitalm< 	too, but also got great engineering and another Enterprise  	established business).  5  < 	But back to your point... oh I would expect a good slide in6 	VMS and a drop back in Tru64 used sales especially in? 	the 8400 space as WildFire may snip off a few of those and yourA 	won't be able to sell them for 6 months after intro.  Since this < 	is a significant new box, it is probably having a stiffling@ 	effect on 8400 sales as Compaq has already "purportedly" booked 	200 WildFire sales.  = 	I'll call a few vendors tomorrow to see how big a slide they B 	are seeing.  Seems to me you don't have a disproportianate numberA 	of VMS servers at your site, have you held off buying more untilr" 	you can unload the ones you have?  ? 	Finally, to my original comment, "get a clue."   VMS is a very @ 	profitible segment for Compaq, they don't need a cash infusion,B 	margins are high in the VMS segment as opposed to PCs, etc.  They@ 	won't be selling VMS and you present no evidence to support why1 	it should happen other than your sales are slow.    				Roba   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:24:13 GMTg= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)f" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?0 Message-ID: <009E8250.063B0552@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <38EAF8AC.F43C7E6@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes: >David Turner wrote: >> Here's a pointw >> d5 >> What is the average age of people in this group???i >> )M >> I would guess around 40-50 years old with a few in their thirties... maybe- >> -3 >> What happens to VMS when noone has heard of it ? + >> When the current IT managers retire ????a >>  N >> We as Grandfathers of the future can rant and rave of the benefits  of thisE >> wonderous OS, but do they teach it in schools, or will they ever ?s >> a. >> I can guess the answer is probably a big NO >>  O >> As far as I know - Unix and NT are favorites in the colleges, well they werer/ >> when I was there studying languages, anyhow.sO >> Every Alpha we have sold this month, with the expection of 1 to a well known ) >> Space Agency, have been Tru64 or Linuxs >h6 >I think this audience can be grouped in 3 categories: >bG >* a large group of 30-40 year olds which learned VMS is the golden VAX  >VMS days in3 >  the 80's - this is undoubtetly the largest grouppF >* a smaller group of 40-60 year olds which started with PDP-something >and >  migrated to VAX VMSF >* a very small group of 20-30 year olds which learned VMS in the 90's >i' >The last group is obviously too small.h >aH >And yes. In the 80's students learned VMS. In the 90's students learned
 >Unix. And> >today students only learn Windows. And that can be a problem.  H Hmmm.  We went from the modern industrial age to the bronze age and backH to the stone age...  What's next for us in this technological evolution?H Following this devolution, what will the "primordial soup" of one celled technology look like?  P   --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:34:38 +0100d- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?) Message-ID: <38EB40EE.1503EBCE@bbc.co.uk>n   Arne Vajhj wrote:  + >  Sites will simply have to train people !    Now, that IS a novel idea :-)s   >U >  > Arne   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk-  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:56:38 +0100F- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>i" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?) Message-ID: <38EB4616.DAC12CF3@bbc.co.uk>   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:   >a >,J > Hmmm.  We went from the modern industrial age to the bronze age and backJ > to the stone age...  What's next for us in this technological evolution?J > Following this devolution, what will the "primordial soup" of one celled > technology look like?c >n >e  F  Brian, unfortunately Darwin had never met a computer salesman when heK formulated his theories, or they might be somewhat different, and may never P have formulated them at all if he had to use a Windows box for his research :-).   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukh  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of- MedAS or the BBC.6   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:13:59 +0100  From: steven.reece@quintiles.comA Subject: Storage (was: Re: We be the BIG PAINFUL OUCH in dot com)d> Message-ID: <802568B8.0038660E.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   Andrew Harrison wrote:8 >EMC for example supported a variety of drives and drive? >sizes but you could only use the same units in a single array.a  C But would EMC users actually _know_ that they had different drives?e  P My understanding is that you have to treat their disk arrays as "black boxes" ofO storage - you know that the storage is there and that such and such a device is O a Raid 5 set or whatever, but how it's configured in terms of physical disks istO largely a mystery since only they are allowed to change your disks or carry outo configuration for you.  K It's great for FM companies since they can shirk responsibility for storageu@ failures ("it's nothing to do with us Guv', the storage is EMC'sL responsibility") but not so good for people like me who decide how the disks@ should be configured and what should be done on a unit level....   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:02:44 +0100mB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>E Subject: Re: Storage (was: Re: We be the BIG PAINFUL OUCH in dot com)j* Message-ID: <38EB3973.B98D944C@uk.sun.com>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:c   > Andrew Harrison wrote:: > >EMC for example supported a variety of drives and driveA > >sizes but you could only use the same units in a single array.U >DE > But would EMC users actually _know_ that they had different drives?( >r  G No they would not since the EMC presents all the physical drives in theuD array as logical units sliced and diced by the EMC's volume manager.   >eR > My understanding is that you have to treat their disk arrays as "black boxes" ofQ > storage - you know that the storage is there and that such and such a device is Q > a Raid 5 set or whatever, but how it's configured in terms of physical disks istQ > largely a mystery since only they are allowed to change your disks or carry outm > configuration for you. >   N EMC doesn't actually support RAID 5 (or striping) just mirroring and something( called RAID-S which very few people use.  M You are right however that you are simply presented with a LUN which has beenwP created on the EMC using a combination of bits of the disks or whole disks which is not visible to you.  M EMC generally don't allow you to have any control over this configuration butdI instead do the configuration for you. Some people like this as it removesgK responsibility for configuring the storage from them and places it on EMC'sdJ shoulders. Some people don't like it because they like to manage their ownI storage for various reasons and don't want to wait for an EMC engineer to_ come in and make changes.    >-M > It's great for FM companies since they can shirk responsibility for storageeB > failures ("it's nothing to do with us Guv', the storage is EMC'sN > responsibility") but not so good for people like me who decide how the disksB > should be configured and what should be done on a unit level.... >h   Quitec     Regards  Andrew Harrisond Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 08:41:52 +0900u2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>% Subject: Re: Suggestion for authorize + Message-ID: <38E8594F.4D97E175@digital.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > >aO > >         Most of the problems with AUTHORIZE can be solved with a simple DCLeN > > shell.  I wrote one around 1984-1985 and have been tweaking it ever since.L > > It creates the account.  It creates the user's directory with the properJ > > ownership and what I think are the proper protections.  It gives him a@ > > skeleton LOGIN.COM.  It sets up a [.MAIL] subdirectory, etc. > - > Here's a challenge I've had more than once:l > D > For a collection of users not easily identifiable (hundreds of UAFE > records), increase process quotas to certain minimum values withoutfI > depriving accounts which already have quotas in excess of the minimums.n > I > The ability to select records by such critera is extremely limited, andeJ > usually possible only through such unsupported methods as Datatrieve and > DCL. > F I use a program called UAF (either from the freeware CD or downloaded, sorry - memory failure)0D It allows selection of SYSUAF records by a number of criteria, i.e.:  /SELECT(        /SELECT=(item=(min,max),item=min)  H         For all numeric and date fields, you may specify a minimum and aH    maximum value.  If you wish an exact value, you should enter the same+    thing as both minimum and maximum value.t  H         Privileges, login_flags, and weekday fields can be entered as  aH    list  of  items.   If the item is negated, then that item must not beH    present for the record to be selected, if it is not negated, than anyH    one        match        will       suffice.        For       example,H    /SELECT=PRIV=(NOBYPASS,NOSYSPRV) means the user must not have  eitherH    of  BYPASS  or  SYSPRV.   /SELECT=PRIV=(BYPASS,SYSPRV) means the userH    must have either BYPASS or SYSPRV.  /MATCH=AND does not  change  this
    behaviour.0F       You may now select users holdng a  given  rights  identifier  asH    well     now.      You    may    enter    a    single    rights    idH    (/SELECT=RIGHTS=rights_identifier),  in  which  case   all   accountsH    holding  that  identifier  will be selected.  If you do not specify aH    particular rights identifier (/SELECT=RIGHTS) than all accounts  that)    hold any identifiers will be selected.f*                                           ) then build a command file from the outputa7 Its not entirely automatic, but great for one-off stuffg   ~Miket -- 5L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------G Usual disclaimers apply. All opinions are mine alone - perhaps not even  that Mike Rechtman     3 Kibbutz Tzor'a.    Voice (home): 972-2-9908337     - PSI%42512001121300::Mike ,D     "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:19:15 +0200w2 From: Nicholas Barnes <nicholas-za.barnes@ubs.com>+ Subject: Task to task READ/ERROR/TIME_OUT=xc' Message-ID: <38EB1323.41398952@ubs.com>    Hi,I  H Small problem and I realise I'm probably doing something stupid, but....  M How do I get a task to task read to timeout if there's nothing there to read?tL Using the examples below, I cannot make a 'read' timeout, or let me <CTRL>+Y< the code. I have had a play with various things with no joy.     I have two com files:a     ONE.COMa  ! $ open/read/write netlink sys$neti $top:l $ read netlink lineg. $ if "''line'" .eqs. "QUIT" then goto quit_end $ write netlink "''line'"-
 $ goto top
 $quit_end: $ exit     TWO.COMn   $ set control=ys* $ open/read/write netlink node::"task=one"  $ on control_y then goto bombout $ write netlink "HELLO"  $ read netlink line9 $ write sys$output line8- $ read/error=stopthis/time_out=5 netlink line- $ write sys$output line  $ write netlink "QUIT"% $ write sys$output "Exiting normally"- $ close netlink-
 $stopthis: $ write sys- $output "Stopping cos of error"-	 $bombout:a $ write netlink "QUIT" $ close netlinkm $ exit  J Yes, I know that the code's sloppy, but it was just written as a 'proof of	 concept'.   J The problem is that the TWO.COM hangs at the 7th line - the time-out neverL occurs and pressing <CTRL>+Y does not break the program. 'set verify' output gives:  
 USER> @two $ set control=yk* $ open/read/write netlink node::"task=one"  $ on control_y then goto bombout $ write netlink "HELLO". $ read netlink lineh $ write sys$output linee HELLOh- $ read/error=stopthis/time_out=5 netlink linew
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  Interrupt     Interrupt        ; The above was tested on VMS 6.2-1H3 on an AlphaStation 500.t   Cheers.    Nick.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:30:09 -0400-* From: Fletcher Hearns <hearns@softapp.com>- Subject: Test of news server...please ignore.F+ Message-ID: <38EB5C01.30F4D219@softapp.com>S   Please ignore. -- e Fletcher HearnsA   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:20:13 +0100* From: "Tim Jackson" <tim.jackson@gecm.com> Subject: Re: Time services& Message-ID: <38eb050d$1@pull.gecm.com>  % I think the command should have read:M    MC NCL SHOW DTSS NEXT TDF CHANGE!                              ^^^^?   HTH D ------------------ Purely Personal Opinion -------------------------D Tim Jackson                                     tim.jackson@gecm.com Air Systems Groupa Alenia Marconi Systems Ltd.y  : Boyle, Darren <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> wrote in messageE news:F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A595217@bdant024.bda.bobda.com..., >y >. > > ----------: > > From: Robert Deininger[SMTP:rdeininger@mindspring.com] > > A > > Oh, DTSS does handle dalylight savings time changes with zeroa > > intervention.aK > > That must have been enabled by default, I didn't do anything to turn itd > > on.M > >s > > I > DTSS is started at machine startup and comes automatically prepared for- DST,E > I would still recommend checking it and keeping up to date with the  patchessG > there have been a lot for DTSS especially when Europe changed when itg moves 	 > to DST.o >m$ >   MC  NCL  SHOW  NEXT  TDF  CHANGE >r1 > keep an eye on this for your particular region. 
 > - Darren >o > H > **********************************************************************E > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential anduL > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.J > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyB > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended
 recipient,D > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.K > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingA  > of this message is prohibited. >e > Bank of BermudauH > **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:19:02 +01005 From: "Chris Casey" <Chris.Casey@HendersonNOSPAM.com>h Subject: Time services) Message-ID: <8c9k53$abr$1@soap.pipex.net>   I I would like to try and gauge what percentage of VMS systems use DTSS andt. whether there are any other options available.6 Does anyone have any opinions on this product/service?C I am being told that it is complex to set up - does this ring true?   3 One specific question - is this reliant on DECNET ?x1 If so what would one use on a totally TCP system?m   TIAe -- Chris Casey (Webmaster)    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2000 08:30:01 GMTr) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)d Subject: Re: Time services' Message-ID: <8c9kq9$602$2@joe.rice.edu>t  4 Chris Casey (Chris.Casey@HendersonNOSPAM.com) wrote:G : I would like to try and gauge what percentage of VMS systems use DTSSe4 : and whether there are any other options available.8 : Does anyone have any opinions on this product/service?  @ DECnet/OSI, aka DECNet-Plus, has received some less than glowing remarks in this forum.  E : I am being told that it is complex to set up - does this ring true?i :h5 : One specific question - is this reliant on DECNET ?   1 Yes, DTSS is part of DECnet/OSI, aka DECNet-Plus.t  3 : If so what would one use on a totally TCP system?s  E NTP, available in Digital TCP/IP Services for VMS (nee UCX), as well xA as Process Software's TCPWare and Multinet TCP/IP stacks for VMS.c    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:14:28 -0400n0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>8 Subject: Use of LMF for e-business software distribution/ Message-ID: <38EB7473.BD58466B@vl.videotron.ca>.  Q There has been much debate over the years about the LMF, not much of it positive.m  H However, with electronic distribution of software over the internet, theJ concept of LMF has been implemented in most "serious" PC applications fromJ Adobe, Macromedia etc where the user must enter a valid serial number whenI first activating the software (and the info is then sent via internet forg registration purposes).p  N If LMF PAK generation were easily obtainable, wouldn't application developpers make use it it ?  M You could freely download the software from the internet, but to activate it,-J you'd have to fill a form (possibly including payment info) and the vendor4 would then email you a PAK to activate the software.  L What is the current availability of LMF for vendors to generate PAKs for nonG DEC products ? Last I had checked a few years ago, it cost thousands ofe dollars to obtain it.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:50:00 +0100 . From: Roger@natron.demon.co.uk (Roger Barnett)2 Subject: Re: VAX-Macro problems on Alpha VMS 7.2-1- Message-ID: <827592909wnr@natron.demon.co.uk>o  @ In article: <38E9EE29.467353A9@hiyall.zko.dec.com>  John Reagan # <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com> writes:f >  > I > So for ADDF2 (actually, any 2-operand floating opcode), the macros turnh > 	ADDF2	(R5),(R6)+l > into > 	MOVL	(R5), R16c > 	MOVL	(R6)+, R17 > 	CALL	AMAC$FLT_ADDF> > 	MOVL	R18, (R6)+ > I > you can see that the ADDF2 macro just used its 2nd operand untouched as I > both an input operand and an output operand.  That would be fine except A > for the operands with side-effects (ie, auto-inc and auto-dec).n    J Oo, brings back memories of the Mac11 -> Mac32 converter I wrote last year' - now theres a product with a future !.c   -- e
 Roger Barnettl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:39:00 -0500> From: "Dryjanski, Tomasz" <Tomasz.Dryjanski@intl.fritolay.com> Subject: RE: Virtul memory$ Message-ID: <234649844@MVB.SAIC.COM>  J      The algorythm used is FIFO, ie. when a system needs to remove a page -      it takes the least recently fetched one.nK      In order to reduce FIFO strategy anomalies there is a page buffer (it yJ      is visible as Free and Modified List in $ monitor system). A page is        moved to that buffer first.      kG      I would recommend the VMS docum., "Guide to VMS Tuning" or so. It ?1      should be available online on Digital pages.i      "      HTH      e
      Tomek D.i    . ______________________________ Reply Separator! _________________________________S Subject: Virtul memory8 Author:  "Merlin" <SMTP:merlin2good@yahoo.com> at FLIHUB Date:    04-04-2000 21:05e    7 Could someone please send me some information or a web g5 site i can brouse so that i may understand how "page t6 replacment" works.  I know that it's the pages in the 7 virtual memory, and when a page is replaced it used an  4 alogrythem to decide which page is it be replaced i # would like to learn more about thiss      .       	 Thank youy      o  Merlin2good@yahoo.com         or ccmd@gibpond.com.au       o =====       s      w3 __________________________________________________ - Do You Yahoo!?3 Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. m http://im.yahoo.coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:50:18 +01004B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>2 Subject: Re: We be the BIG PAINFUL OUCH in dot com* Message-ID: <38EB0C5A.F2C21CB6@uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Rob Young wrote:G > >         with new drives.  Lesson: don't use cheap drives, don't userG > >         cheap controllers, don't use cheap stuff.  You get what youo > >         pay for. >rK > Is it possible to build a RAID set with different brands of disk drives ?oK > Would that not dminish the odds of two drives breaking at the same time ?e   It depends.f  > Many Hardware RAID controllers only support limitted mixing of? drives, EMC for example supported a variety of drives and drive.> sizes but you could only use the same units in a single array.  ; Host based RAID software does not generally care and so yout> can generally mirror/stripe or RAID 5 (Host based RAID 5 isn't( a good idea generally) differing drives.   Regardsn Andrew Harrisonc Enterprise IT Architect:   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2000 14:55:03 GMT.2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)' Subject: Re: What others think of the Qd, Message-ID: <8cfk47$ld3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  \ In article <sel35v2peop20@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> writes: >Check this newsgroup out  >y' >Interesting how many people LOVE the Qt >r >alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq >   G Yes, a good place to be reminded that the faults of Q management extendeI way, way, way beyond their mishandling of OpenVMS.  Sell a crappy enough sJ product and sooner or later potential buyers find out _before_ they shell K out the bucks, which is why Dell is kicking the Q out of pretty much every iG site large enough to have a PC buyer who can make an informed decision.o   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edut? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech b   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:07:53 -0400& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> Subject: ZLE - From DECUServer% Message-ID: <38eb5566@news.toast.net>a  C               <<< EISNER::$2$DIA7:[NOTES$HIVOL]SHOP_TALK.NOTE;1 >>>P0                                  -< SHOP_TALK >-L ============================================================================ ====H Note 346.0                             ZLE                             3 repliesdJ EISNER::KILLEEN "Jeff Killeen LA2000BusinessManager" 20 lines   5-APR-2000 09:48nL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----9 A zero latency enterprise (ZLE) describes an organizationi3 that can use data anywhere in the enterprise almosty6 immediately after it is created anywhere else, turning1 the data into an operational advantage. In a zeroh0 latency enterprise, your IT systems and business. processes work together as one. Processes that0 were formerly executed largely by people over an/ extended period are instead executed largely by / IT systems in near real time.The result: faster.0 response, better service, more informed decision. making, and a competitive edge (see "Less lag, better business").   www.compaq.com/zle/i  ' xods.atc-compaq.com/1_architecture.htmli  - www.tandem.com/backgrnd/zlesfeov/zlesfeov.pdfg  L www.tandem.com/consrept/idczlrpt/20934.htm#TheDatacentersThreeTierArchitectu requotLayerCakequot26        --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.ccg  > ==============================================================   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.191 ************************ on EMC'sdJ shoulders. Some people don't like it because they like to manage ther5rc̽9"ME#a.2®5Dq&ՄjB`.VL-YQH՟Ĳ|nDXC(\0==h9`Y b||쥻!tN9؎CFDcǞ?>BXLm(>wN5YK+-ǖ@}LN}c{D HyQMu4	z2!/ZExۑCF1|^8Kc< ߋKsEP[wHˤ`9i&K((D~
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