1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 10 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 200       Contents: Affordable Update for April  Re: Affordable Update for April  For Sale: VaxStation 3100s2 Re: Galaxy (or perhaps Wildfire) and shared memory locations of C libs in VMSJ Re: Print symbiont modification routines (PSM$...) and LAT protocol option Re: Suggestion for authorize Re: Sun question for Andrew  VAX BASIC Specifications?  VAX BASIC Specifications? ( Re: Warning: circuitsurgeon is a ripoff!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:40:13 GMT 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> $ Subject: Affordable Update for April- Message-ID: <38F13FC5.326FB569@earthlink.net>    Folks,  H I've posted an April update on the Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Message0 Board, http://disc.server.com/Indices/48373.html  E I guess "the process works" for the OpenVMS hobbyist program, but not D for someting that can actually help compaq support its bottom line - Affordable OpenVMS.   C I'm therefore asking you, the OpenVMS faithful, to tell me if it is % worthwhile continuing to pursue this.   G Please post your responses to the message board (not here) where anyone F can see them, even those who do not monitor comp.os.vms or do not have4 access to the newsgroup or the InfoVax mailing list.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems " http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 23:02:01 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: Affordable Update for April/ Message-ID: <38F14424.FAE3938E@vl.videotron.ca>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:E > I'm therefore asking you, the OpenVMS faithful, to tell me if it is ' > worthwhile continuing to pursue this.   N I personally strongly beleive in this. However, I have been called "stupid" byN some folks who contribute to this group for thinking so. And the person denied working for Sun.  M I suspect that there are quite a few still opposed at the thought of allowing N VMS to compete head to head against modern low cost platforms and they are notM all inside of Compaq. Many still seem convinced that VMS has a healthy future L relegated to a small niche and that the other systems can't hurt VMS in thatJ niche. As such, they seem quite strongly opposed to any moves by Compaq toD spend/risk any money/advertising to make VMS compete againts NT etc.  N Sun is fully aware of the NT (and now Linux) threath and have/are taking stepsK to deal with that threath. Comapq seems blind to this (or feels that VMS is I invincible) and doesn't seem to think some drastic actions are necessary.   K Sun also has shareholders, yet, Sun is capable of taking fairly significant N pricing/policy steps to combat the inroads made by NT/LINUX. But it seems thatL some feel that Compaq cannot take such steps because it would jeoperdize theG "cash cow" that VMS brings and thus would not be liked by shareholders.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:24:27 -0400& From: Dick Munroe <munroe@acornsw.com># Subject: For Sale: VaxStation 3100s 3 Message-ID: <v04210122b51679c77280@[192.168.0.253]>   C We have a bunch (about 6 or so) VaxStation 3100s of various kinds.  A We're looking to sell them for $500 (plus shipping and handling)  ! without licenses.  This gets you:   ! 	1. Processor with 16MB of memory  	2. Keyboard	 	3. Mouse 3 	4. Monitor (Color as supplies last, BW after that)   : No disk will be provided unless it is already in the case.  D We also have a couple of storage expansion boxes which we will sell D (with whatever disk is inside them) for an additional $50.  None of C these units were under maintenance all have been in production and  ! will be tested prior to shipping.   B Units will be sold on a first come/first served basis and when we F can't configure entire systems we'll lower the price and get in touch A to see if you're still interested.  Pick up at Acorn's labs is a  < possibility for those of you within driving range of Hudson.  C If you're interested, send mail to me at the address below or call.    Dick Munroe  --+ Dick Munroe			(E) mailto:munroe@acornsw.com & Acorn Software, Inc.		(O) 978 815 1622 267 Cox St.			(F) 617 489 0328- Hudson Ma. 01749		(W) http://www.acornsw.com/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:45:08 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>; Subject: Re: Galaxy (or perhaps Wildfire) and shared memory / Message-ID: <38F13224.4C86088B@vl.videotron.ca>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:= > So the very fact that DEQ leaves this as a decision for the : > customer indicates sharing is not the same as isolation.  I I remember being told that in a Galaxy, it is *expected* that the OS that L coexist with each other are required to behave properly and that if you haveR one instance of an OS that doesn't really behave, then you'rte asking for trouble.   So the question should be:G If you have 2 instances of VMS in a galaxy, does that provide much more O robustness compared to an instance of VMS with an instance of Linux of True64 ?     N The other storey I had heard was that Galaxy was a way to run VMS in a machineN which has more processors than VMS can support as a single OS instance. So youN run multiple instances of VMS, each with the maximum number of SMP CPUs it can$ handle. Is there any truth to this ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:20:35 GMT . From: cjundieseastwd@powerup.com.au (Obakesan)# Subject: locations of C libs in VMS / Message-ID: <8crh5p$20m4@inetbws1.citec.com.au>    HiYa  I is there a normal place to put stdio and the like?  Here I found them in  D a logical that was something like $DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.] in a file  called DECC$RTLDEF.TLB  + I guess that the tlb files are librarys ...   H I am trying to compile an olde file here that inlcudes a library called  nfbdef ... this isn't in:    #include <nfbdef>    and I also tried     #include <sys/nfbdef>   C given that I think that it's in the TLB called SYS$LIB_C.TLB, what   should I inlcude to get this??     thanks   :-)    --   See Ya# (when the bandwidth gets better ;-) H Chris Eastwood                            Please remove undies for reply Photographer, Stunt Programmer Motorcyclist and dingbat   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:25:37 +0400 - From: Valentin Likoum <val_mail@ncc.volga.ru> S Subject: Re: Print symbiont modification routines (PSM$...) and LAT protocol option , Message-ID: <38F173E1.34255B9A@ncc.volga.ru>   briggs@eisner.decus.org wrote: > ^ > In article <38EDAB26.9E338E84@ncc.volga.ru>, Valentin Likoum <val_mail@ncc.volga.ru> writes:
 > > Hello, > > I > >     I have a problem with combining text transcoding and LAT features  > > in one symbiont. > >  [snip]  H > Look at the documentation for PSM$PRINT.  In particular, the "options"F > parameter.  Consider the PSM$M_LAT_PROTOCOL option.  This would seem! > to be what you are looking for.  >   8 Oops! Shame on me. I must have read through it too fast. Thank you very much.   >  [snip again]   --       Valentin Likoum      ncc_valent@my-deja.com  0     This page is best viewed with VT52 terminal.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:26:36 GMT 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> % Subject: Re: Suggestion for authorize - Message-ID: <38F12E70.5F45E506@earthlink.net>   & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: > G > I see that though this thread started on 29-mar, it is still current. R > Therefore, having just come back from leave I might add -2 cents (negative value > :-)  > Q > I have often thought similar to JF -- why doesn't VMS create accounts the way I O > want to do it.  But, no, (and has been evidenced in this thread) we don't all R > want to do things the same way.  As with adduser and Richard Gilbert's comments,Q > I feel that my own customised procedure is the way I want to go.  I feel that I P > would dislike VMS telling me any more than the basics it does that this is theQ > way you must create accounts; I would possibly have to find ways to negate what  > VMS is forcing me to have.    C As I once mentioned in a Digital/Compaq "What do you think?" forum, H Authorize really only does half or less of what is typically needed whenC adding or deleting a user. Typically, there's at least one layer of F additional application stuff that needs to be setup for a new user ...0 and, of course, no two app.'s are ever the same.  D I suppose a good third-party UAF API would have included routines toG specify whether each user needed a unique UIC or not, and if so, locate G the next available member number for any given group. Of course, that's D only one example of what is usually needed. Still, such an API couldG have been included in VMS app.'s, back in the days when there were such  things.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems " http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:45:11 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)$ Subject: Re: Sun question for Andrew( Message-ID: <Xc4I4.2681$eu.54077@insync>  0 Scott Vieth (svieth@ameritech.net.nospam) wrote:	 : Andrew:  : J : Is there a newsgroup similar to comp.os.vms where folks discuss Solaris? : ? : I found only alt.solaris.x86 (not exactly what I'm after) and , : comp.unix.solaris (which has no messages). : 	 : Thanks,  :  : -Scott :^) :   @ There ARE messages on comp.unix.solaris on my ISP's news server, the oldest dated March 7.   6 The problem lies with your ISP, not comp.unix.solaris.  E Jerry Leslie  leslie@clio.rice.edu  (my opinions are strictly my own)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:49:55 GMT   From: carbon <prodos8@yahoo.com>" Subject: VAX BASIC Specifications?2 Message-ID: <090420001850136485%prodos8@yahoo.com>  F I am interested in writing a VAX BASIC compatable BASIC system for theA Macintosh.  I am wondering if there are any online user's guides, F manuals, specifications that relate to VAX BASIC.  I haven't found any on Digital's web site.  Thanks.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 23:48:27 -04002 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>" Subject: VAX BASIC Specifications?7 Message-ID: <200004092349_MC2-A080-CFF0@compuserve.com>   J         Since VAX BASIC has been obsolete for five or six years now, this=   is hardly surprising!   J         DEC BASIC replaced VAX BASIC.   (I *think* it's called DEC BASIC)= . =   B   DEC BASIC is available for either the VAX or Alpha architecture.  H         If you *really* mean VAX BASIC, I have an ancient set of manuals1 that I would part with for sufficient inducement!   3 Message text written by INTERNET:brian@innobyte.com G >I am interested in writing a VAX BASIC compatable BASIC system for the A Macintosh.  I am wondering if there are any online user's guides, F manuals, specifications that relate to VAX BASIC.  I haven't found any on Digital's web site.  Thanks.  <    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:00:51 -07005 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> 1 Subject: Re: Warning: circuitsurgeon is a ripoff! ) Message-ID: <eW5oV$no$GA.342@cpmsnbbsa04>   L I haven't read through the posts in this thread in any great detail nor am I inclined to do so.  C A RZ26 can be had for $25 to $30 bucks (and no - I am not condoning % *anyone's* actions, real or implied).   H *INDEPENDENTLY* of the above, if the board went bad six months later howL much is someone suppose to be accountable six months afterwards on something already, what, 8+ years old.  D I have to agree with Arne. I notice this whole thread took off afterE wetboy's "trolling." Let's see. The last thing I saw from him was the J enlightened comment that "VMS is used by necrophiliacs." I believe someone; responded to him with the post "Change your diaper wetboy."    Joe   5 Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message # news:38F06D94.D87D1979@gtech.com...  > Dan wrote: > > Gil wrote:G > > > The unit was working PERFECTLY when it left here on July 20 1999. J > > > DAN then screwed up the hard drive, which I replaced at no cost evenG > > > though DAN did the damage. $35 to send hard drive FEDEX. This was  > > F > > LIAR! I did NOT screw up the drive, and you know it. You sent me a	 defective I > > one. You offered to replace it but ONLY if I paid shipping both ways!  > & > > > replace everything DAN dorks up. > > - > > You mean defective equipment you sold me.  > > I > > > Gil also has complaints on Ebay about these deals, so it's not just  me.  > > I > > > seeing that he is posting LIES I retract this offer to him and will  > > % > > and seeing YOUR LIES posted here.  > > K > > > never deal with him again and advise all to be aware that if you deal  > > > K > > > with him you may get a posting from him on the newsgroups like I did.  > > & > > yeah unlike YOU who commits FRAUD! > > J > > > There are some people in this world that do NOT want to be helped or > > > L > > > fixed, these kind of people just want to spread misery amonst the rest of > > > the world.  I have > >  > > Yeah people you RIP OFF! > B > Lots of name-calling. And very little substance. None of you twoG > can say with certainty that the drive was not send out OK but arrived 3 > non-OK due to something happend during transport.  > F > I am not saying that was what happend. But I am saying that it couldB > be possible (based on what I know). So I would recommend you two > to stop the name-calling.  > G > Regarding warranty and who pays for transport etc., then this kind of I > stuff ussually exist in writing somewhere. And if you are not satisfied H > with something, then contact a lawyer. This is a business transaction.E > This news-group can not do anything about it. And neither can DECUS  > for that matter. >  > Arne   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.200 ************************              























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