1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 11 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 203       Contents: re: 1.6 GHz Alpha  RE: 1.6 GHz Alpha ' 36 Gb disk drive question (supported ?) + Re: 36 Gb disk drive question (supported ?) ) Re: 36 GB Quantum disk fails in DPW 600au  Re: Affordable Update for April % Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI Question % Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI Question % Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI Question  Re: backup tape parity error Can't initialize resolver  CDE equivalent of xhost  Re: CDE equivalent of xhost  Re: CDE equivalent of xhost  CPU factor for Alpha systems? ! Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems? ! Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems? ! Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems? ! Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems? ! Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems?  DE500 problem/docs( DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE and no decwindows Re: ebay to drop Sun?  Re: ebay to drop Sun?  Re: ebay to drop Sun?  Re: ebay to drop Sun?  Re: ebay to drop Sun?  email problem ( ucx )? ftp.decus.org down? 2 Re: Galaxy (or perhaps Wildfire) and shared memory2 Re: Galaxy (or perhaps Wildfire) and shared memory2 Re: Galaxy (or perhaps Wildfire) and shared memoryP how to communicate with CICS directly nor through CICS Transaction Server for OSP Re: how to communicate with CICS directly nor through CICS TransactionServer forP Re: how to communicate with CICS directly nor through CICS TransactionServer for* Re: I can't run/detach in my own X session" Re: Is sys$dclexh ever not called? Re: Manuals for DEC 3000-800 Re: Manuals for DEC 3000-800 Re: Netbooting mVaxII question Re: Netbooting mVaxII question
 netscape 6 Re: netscape 6 Re: netscape 6 Re: netscape 6  non paged pool leak in VMS 7.2-1! Optical Storage on an OVMS/Alpha. % Re: Optical Storage on an OVMS/Alpha.   Re: Portable unformatted files 2  Re: Portable unformatted files 2  Re: Portable unformatted files 2  Re: Portable unformatted files 2# Re: Request for Wildfire/Galaxy URL * SAP benchmarks (was Re: ebay to drop Sun?)& Re: Sun considers VMS a "mainframe" OS& Re: Sun considers VMS a "mainframe" OS& Re: Sun considers VMS a "mainframe" OS( Re: Warning: circuitsurgeon is a ripoff!( Re: Warning: circuitsurgeon is a ripoff!P RE: Warning: Circumcision is a ripoff!  (Was: Warning: circuitsurgeon is a ripof, Re: Weird power problem on an Alpha 3000-6006 Where to find DECserver Network Access Software (DNAS): Re: Where to find DECserver Network Access Software (DNAS): Re: Where to find DECserver Network Access Software (DNAS): Re: Where to find DECserver Network Access Software (DNAS)6 Re: Why are there no French people in this newsgroup ?% Re: Wierd Elsa Gloria Synergy Problem % Re: Wierd Elsa Gloria Synergy Problem + Re: Will COMPAQ Australia please contact me   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:55:03 +0000 / From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>  Subject: re: 1.6 GHz Alpha7 Message-ID: <009E8735.3C4DBE57.13@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>    >  > Price:G > We could buy one XP900 466 MHz 128Mb, 9 Gb SCSI for F&L price 9995 DM 2 > (reduction price for University here in Germany)
 > We will buy G > AMD K7 750 MHz Asus K7V board 256 Mb, 27 Gb EIDE, add SCSI Controller ; > for tapes,  Price ~ 3300 DM (regular price no reduction). F > O.k. the new PC may be not as fast as an Alpha, so we buy 2 of them,H > O.k. the new PC may be not as reliable as the Alphas (in opposition to8 > our experiences) so wie buy 3 of them (Price 9900 DM). > J > So the only reason to buy an Alpha is, we can run VMS on it, but indeed H > in our institute, there are only 3 old VMS machines and 5 newer AlphasJ > overall, but hundreds of PCs with Linux as OS. So the only way to changeJ > this situation is to buy 10 or more Alphas, and indeed we don't have theJ > money for this. So there is indeed no reason to buy an Alpha machine, at > least for us.  >   D And it's set to get worse (unless there are drastic Alpha price-cuts2 in the pipeline, and cheap multiprocessor systems)  J You can now get dual-processor Intel Coppermine MoBo's (though not 1G yet)9 Q3 will see the arrival of dual-processor Athlon MoBo's.    H Second-generation Athlons will be shipping very soon (a cheaper socket-A* version, and an improved Slot-A version).    	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 15:07:08 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: RE: 1.6 GHz Alpha, Message-ID: <8cvf2s$k4n@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  x In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052841E0@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> writes: >David,  > L >As I stated in an earlier reply, there is a place for single processor WS /M >Desktop boxes and a place for server config's. No one OS or HW platform will % >ever address everyones requirements.  > K >My reply simply pointed out that from a cpu performance point of view, the . >1Ghz x86 cpu's still lag the 667Mhz Alpha's.  > J >While obviously an important issue, pricing is a separate discussion that >could go on for days.  K Actually it has gone on ever since the Alpha was introduced years ago, with G the customers crying out the whole time for smaller Alpha systems whose J purchase price they could justify while Digital, and now Compaq, said, no,J no, can't give you that, it's a premium product, etc. etc. etc.  Due in noJ small part to these ridiculous pricing policies Digital went straight downG the tubes and Compaq, having adopted the same position, is showing many I signs of doing the same.   Or, at the very least, has crippled its growth G potential. Compare that with AMD, which decided to go head to head with G Intel on performance AND price, and is looking very strong indeed these  days.   K From my point of view things look really grim for the DS10L.  Those only go I into multiunit parallel processing machines, where total CPU/$ is the key K factor.  Up until 4 months ago a pile of DS10s (or I suppose DS10Ls) had an B edge in total floating point performance/cost (but not in integer K performance/cost).  But in those 4 months the performance of the Athlon has H nearly doubled without an Alpha like tripling in price, making machines J based on it a much better deal than the DS10L.   Meanwhile no performance G improvement for the DS10L has been announced, and it still chunks along F with only a 466 Mhz 21264.  The XP1000 has a faster CPU, but it is notG going to make up any DS10L sales as the performance/cost value is LOWER J than that of the DS10L.   (Which is why Compaq positions DS10L unit as theE building block and not the XP1000.)  Since most such machines will be F running Linux, "migration" to another OS isn't a problem for potentialA customers, and basically, in about 2 months (wben one good Athlon H motherboard comes out) the 1Ghz Athlon based compute blocks are going to& take this market away from the DS10L.   J I suppose Compaq will then simply sell such Athlon compute blocks instead,B and end up with a small fraction of a market they could have ownedI entirely, with lower margins on each sale.  Although Compaq will declare  $ victory the real winner will be AMD.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2000 12:09:32 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET) 0 Subject: 36 Gb disk drive question (supported ?). Message-ID: <38f34e3c_2@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>  C 	I am planning to by a 36 Gb disk drive but would like confirmation L that this storage size is fully supported by the DK driver under OpenVMS7.2 M Alpha. One caveat : the Alphas are part of cluster where some nodes are vaxes M running OpenVMS6.2 (with eco patch as described in instllation notes) and one I other Alpha node running OpenVMS6.2 . I would use the drive only from the  Alpha 7.2 nodes.  G 	Under such condition, is it still fine to have the 36 Gb drive ? BTW : M if I am asking is because even with patches, I had to give up (a year ago in  O this same group ?) on a 9 Gb Seagate disk drive : it would just plain not work  M under OpenVMS6.2 giving problems and troubles after a while (and used space). J I am not seeking to start that thread of why, what happens etc ... (I justL gave up on it, because although very instructive, nothing concrete came out 8 of the discussion in terms of having the problem fixed).    C 	This time, I'd be willing to test an IBM bigger drive but personal O experience from people who have used it would be a must to build up confidence. O Even better : the same kind of mixed OpenVMS version within a cluster + similar / drive working perfectly would be just great ...    	Thanks in advance for replies,      - 6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400 ;   ---m---U---m--------------------------------------------- &   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:43:23 -0400 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>4 Subject: Re: 36 Gb disk drive question (supported ?)6 Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000411124222.01d0aec0@24.8.96.48>  / At 12:09 PM 4/11/00 -0500, Jerome LAURET wrote:   L >         I am planning to by a 36 Gb disk drive but would like confirmationL >that this storage size is fully supported by the DK driver under OpenVMS7.2 >Alpha.   I I've got a bunch here hanging off of HSZ controllers on a 7.2-1 machine.  K (And you probably ought to rev that machine to 7.2-1 with the latest ECOs)   Good enough?     					Dan  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------L Dan Sugalski                          General and VMS-specific perl training
 dan@sidhe.org >                                       Mail me for more details   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2000 04:08:35 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>2 Subject: Re: 36 GB Quantum disk fails in DPW 600au) Message-ID: <B51855C5-D0DE@165.247.40.76>   D On Fri, Apr 7, 2000 3:44 AM, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote: >Hello,  > I >Robert, can you update the OpenVMS version to 7.1-2? AFAIK the DK driver , >should be able to handle this sort of disk.  G Unfortunately I don't have media for 7.1-2.  I am trying to find it.  I , wonder if it is still available from Compaq.  F I thought that 7.1-2 is only a compendium of patches.  If I could find8 a likely set of patches, I could apply them immediately.       ---------------------------  Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:10:19 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ( Subject: Re: Affordable Update for April) Message-ID: <38F3324B.37AC22E8@bbc.co.uk>   @ Maybe if someone dared to write an article explaining in laymansE terms (well, maybe terms that could be appreciated by a New Scientist G reader) why it is that what is marketed as a Personal Computer requires C an IT expert to configure and then won't do the same thing reliably I twice in a row, and in any case what it does is likely to be not what you Q wanted it to do, and why when you click that "I agree" button during installation K you are signing away all right of comeback to the manufacturer for any lost N time, damaged data that ensue, then that might help. Oh, and that any pretenceM at security is actually just security through collusion (can you tell I spent B most evenings last week trying to configure my girlfriends new W98& box for email and separate accounts!).  I Maybe someone should ask questions like "How did BNFL loose all that data Q on nuclear fuel reprocessing in the first place, surely it wasn't being stored on M a PC that wasn't backed up"? Even if it was a VMS box, negligent IT practices M could easily lead to data loss, so one has to be careful with that arguement. F However, VMS's strengths for implementing modern reliability enhancingQ technoloigies surely would  mean it benefited from such publicity. All we need is # some desktop apps and cheap VMS :-)   4 Make those PHM's realize how stupid they are really.  M I guess the industry really can't handle the truth, but the non-techie who is K sold his/her new PC with the internet multimedia dream surely has the right E to know why at least some IT professionals consider Microsoft to be a 
 non-solution.      --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:55:06 -0400 / From: "Andrew C. Stoffel" <acs@cyberportal.net> . Subject: Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI QuestionD Message-ID: <acs-A4C90B.09550611042000@premium.news.fcgnetworks.net>  = In article <38F23943.F4B35252@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble   <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   > Russell Leathe wrote:  >>  7 >> I'm migrating from an Alpha 1000a to an Alpha 1200.  7 >> When I initially set out to perform the migration I  7 >>thought...Well I'll just perform an image backup and  + >>restore, run autogen and be done with it.   C >>Unfortunately, this wouldn't work the way the disks are arranged.   @ Count me as one of the "wondering masses". Did you actually try A it to determine if it would work ? And in that case what kinds of  errors did you get ?  9 >  You do have logical names for each disk,  don't you?     ? > If not, then you'd better figure on spending some bucks on a  5 > VMS consultant to review your entire system set-up.   ; Hmmm.....  I'm only 90 minutes away (On a good day) :-).... 9 though I'm sure there are other people closer considering , how close to the "VMS Heartland" this is....   -Andy-   --  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2000 11:37:17 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>. Subject: Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI Question* Message-ID: <B518BEEF-12938@165.247.50.60>  I On Mon, Apr 10, 2000 4:27 PM, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   G >If you problem is device names embeded in application programs, forget  this= >post, and my name, I don't want to hear about anything more.      I remember this case: A 1. Application does explicit logical name translation on the tape B drive name, saving the result (say MUA1) in a 4-character string.  2. Source code gets "lost".  3. SCSI is invented.D 4. I watch the poor schmuck who tried to make it work, when the onlyD tape drive available was named MKA400.  There was no way to fix this by defining a logical name.   . Some folks know just enough to be dangerous...     ---------------------------  Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:26:49 -0700 ( From: "Russell Leathe" <russ@gordon.edu>. Subject: Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI Question$ Message-ID: <KjII4.60$rH.937@client>  @ Thanks to all who responded.  I appreciate the info and also the7 candid remarks.  Apparently, I'm spending too much time 2 with Windows NT Server and not enough time on VMS.  I Yes, I'm using logical names.  I guess I got caught up in how VMS handles L physical drive names.  I assumed (this is always dangerous) the relationshipL between  VMS and physical hardware changes is not dynamic.  Yes, I admit the fault.  E At first I was amazed at how VMS actually updates the system logicals 4 (sys$sysdevice, sys$sysroot, etc...) when you changeJ from one SCSI bus to the next.  I assumed (again you know what this means)H that I would have to manually change these logicals.  How foolish of me, this is VMS.  K With tears of joy I silently thanked all those kernal programmers for their L years of faithful service. Then I looked over my shoulder at all 12 of my NT/ Servers and said, "why can't you be like VMS!".   & I also learned during this process ...  0 Migrating from an Alpha 1000a to a 1200 requiresA a license reload.  The LUR for a 1200 is 25 while the LUR for ther 1000a is 15.  H The only effort on my part was to change the site specific startup file.< Specifically, locations of layered products startup commands? where I didn't used logicals.  Yes, they now point to logicals.   
 Best regards,U   Russ        F Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachyon.xxx.301332.killspam.0537> wrote in message( news:kUhZ+xmPjE2f@tachxxsoftxxconsult...J > In article <M4mI4.35$6i7.728@client>, "Russell Leathe" <russ@gordon.edu> writes:hB > > I'm migrating from an Alpha 1000a to an Alpha 1200.  The 1000a& > > disk array is set up as follows... > >f > > 4.3gb disks....e > > 2 > > DKA0            SYSTEM              Type RZ29B/ > > DKA100        STU1997            TYPE RZ29Be/ > > DKA200        STU1998            TYPE RZ29Bo/ > > DKA300        STU1999            TYPE RZ29B / > > DKA400        STU2000            TYPE RZ29Bb > > 
 > > CD-ROM...  > >t. > > DKA600        CD-ROM            TYPE RRD46 > > # > > All are on the same SCSI chain.a > >r@ > > On the Alpha 1200 the DISKs and CD-ROM are on different SCSI controllers. > > Thus.... > >y% > > NCR 53c810 Slot 1, BUS 0 PCI ....y > > ! > > DKA500    CD-ROM        RRD47o > >o > >I' > > QLOGIC ISP1020 Slot 2, BUS 0 PCI...c > >i* > > DKB0                        TYPE RZ1CF  > > DKB100                    ""  > > DKB200                    ""  > > DKB300                    ""  > > DKB400                    "" > >iK > > When I initially set out to perform the migration I thought...Well I'llu justI > > perform an image backup and restore, run autogen and be done with it.iE > > Unfortunately, this wouldn't work the way the disks are arranged.e > >lC > > My question is, is there a way to change the hardware that willt re-allocateVD > > the drives as DKA### and the CD-ROM to DKB### on the Alpha 1200. >lK > On the 1200, there are two scsi busses.  The cdrom is on the dka bus, the L > storageworks shelf is the dkb bus.  You can change the unit numbers around byI > moving drives from slot to slot, but they will still be dkbx00 devices.  > H > You are setting yourself up for a lot of pain by using physical device names inI > the first place.   If you use logical names instead, you can move disks  aroundI > all you want and nothing changes except the mount command during system6K > startup.  The whole issue of dka vs. dkb simply dissipates like a fart in  as > hurricane. >eH > On my systems, I mount with logicals that match the label on the disk. ThatL > way, as long as I don't change the label, I can merrily change disk deviceH > names right and left and only have to change the mount commands in the systemC > startup.  Not another line of DCL changes anywhere in the system.c >aG > I assume the second column in your device list above is the label, so- >-% > $ mount/system dka0 system   system0( > $ mount/system dka100 stu1997  stu1997( > $ mount/system dka200 stu1998  stu1998( > $ mount/system dka300 stu1999  stu1999( > $ mount/system dka400 stu2000  stu2000 >y$ > on the 1000 would be replaced with >&% > $ mount/system dkb0 system   systemr( > $ mount/system dkb100 stu1997  stu1997( > $ mount/system dkb200 stu1998  stu1998( > $ mount/system dkb300 stu1999  stu1999( > $ mount/system dkb400 stu2000  stu2000 >u >oJ > Then everyplace in your system where you use physical disk names  ("searH > sys$sysdevice:[sys*...]*.com dka" for starters), replace them with the logical,I > i.e. replace all occurances of "dka100:" with "stu1997:".    Do this ont the L > 1000 *before* the migration and get it working.  Then you won't have to doA > *anything* on the 1200 other than make the mount changes above.  >P >w
 > >Or am I2 > > facing a re-install of 7.2 and a re-install of* > > the layered products (PMDF, Multinet)? >aI > You definitely won't have to reinstall 7.2 just because the device nameiG > changed.  No vms command procedures will be dependent on this, thoughr > user-written ones may. >nK > Many third party products are also independent of physical devices.  TheyeF > define all their working logicals based on the device upon which the startup- > command procedure is running.o >gJ > However, the system must be able to *find* the startup procedure for the9 > product.  Thus, in systartup_vms you are likely to find  >	= > $@product_disk:[product_directory]product_startup_proceduren >  > For instance:, >i* > $ @util_disk:[tapesys_5r2.system]startup' > $ @util_disk:[multinet]start_multinetr > G > If util_disk is a logical, you don't have to do anything.  If it is a  physicalI > name, change it to a logical.  You have to make a change, but you won't8 have to8E > do it over and over again every time you want to move disks around.: >DJ > Conversely, systartup_vms may call a product specific command procedeure inL > sys$startup.  If so, *this* procedure will contain the call to the productK > startup procedure, so the change from device name to logical will be madet here,t > if needed. >rD > You should *never* use dkaxxx or dkbxxx anywhere except in a mount command. > Use logicals everywhere else.s >, > Waynei >  > -- >dL ============================================================================ ===p: > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachyon.xxx 8 > http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlH > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot :-)  >mL ============================================================================ ===cK > Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came  in?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:20:21 GMTa- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> % Subject: Re: backup tape parity errore( Message-ID: <38F32691.FB5D22FD@ohio.edu>  + At the VMS $ prompt, type  HELP ON EXAMPLES   #                                 RDPe     Haeglsperger Gerd wrote:   > Hi,  > I hope someone can help me.s' > I have a script for a backup on tape.eJ > the script is ok so far but when there is a parity error on the tape the1 > script stops and waits for operator assistance. H > Is there a possibility to make the script go on with an error handlingB > or something like this. I already tried to start the backup with- > /noassist but in this case it doesnt work.u  > Please excuse my poor english, > byee >  > Gerd >  > -- >                 //// >                (o o)% > -----------o0o.-(_)-.o0o-----------h > www.DPSG-Vilsbiburg.de >s( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.h   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:10:14 -0700h/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>t" Subject: Can't initialize resolverM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AED76@seantexch.unitedad.com>   
 Hello Again ,l  G Working on an email problem I tried to do a nslookup and got this erroro   $ MC sys$system:UCX$NSLOOKUP *** Can't initialize resolver.  2 Can someone tell give me a clue on where to start + looking for the resolver and how to fix it.n   Thanks l Terry    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 12:43:32 GMTC From: cczanj@axp0.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Andy.Jack@nottingham.ac.uk)A  Subject: CDE equivalent of xhost4 Message-ID: <8cv6lk$kjg$1@oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>  D I've been using the "new" CDE-style desktop on my Alpha for ages nowF (running VMS 7.2-1) yet I find myself stumped as to the correct way toE modify the security. If I want a  remote Unix (or VMS) box to displaytC windows on my screen, there was the Options -> Security path in the F "old" DECwindows session manager. The FAQ documents this and then saysC something about the root window not being visible when running CDE.d  F I managed to find a DT.RESOURCES file which I edited manually but thatG can't be the way one is supposed to do the equivalent of the Unix xhost  command.   Any advice welcome.a   AndyH ------------------------------------------------------------------------? Academic Computing Services, E-mail: Andy.Jack@nottingham.ac.ukt5 University of Nottingham,    Phone:  +44 115 951 3328t5 Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK       Fax:    +44 115 951 3358h   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 13:18:08 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)$ Subject: Re: CDE equivalent of xhost. Message-ID: <8cv8mg$53t$1@info.service.rug.nl>  4 In article <8cv6lk$kjg$1@oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>,F cczanj@axp0.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Andy.Jack@nottingham.ac.uk) writes:   F > I've been using the "new" CDE-style desktop on my Alpha for ages nowH > (running VMS 7.2-1) yet I find myself stumped as to the correct way toG > modify the security. If I want a  remote Unix (or VMS) box to display3E > windows on my screen, there was the Options -> Security path in the-H > "old" DECwindows session manager. The FAQ documents this and then saysE > something about the root window not being visible when running CDE.1  H Click on the icon with the mouse, window, colour palette, three T's etc F and then go to security.  You might want TCPIP * * or whatever.  This G works fine; I use it all the time.  However, what doesn't seem to work eE is using xv -root on another machine to paint a background; one only oE sees it briefly when logging out, as otherwise, as you say, the root   window is not visible.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:21:47 GMTh2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)$ Subject: Re: CDE equivalent of xhost' Message-ID: <2000Apr11.092147.1@eisner>-  z In article <8cv6lk$kjg$1@oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>, cczanj@axp0.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Andy.Jack@nottingham.ac.uk) writes:F > I've been using the "new" CDE-style desktop on my Alpha for ages nowH > (running VMS 7.2-1) yet I find myself stumped as to the correct way toG > modify the security. If I want a  remote Unix (or VMS) box to displayuE > windows on my screen, there was the Options -> Security path in the-# > "old" DECwindows session manager.,  D With the new desktop you must click on the "style manager" icon fromE the dashboard (the one with a picture of a mouse, a color pallete and @ three sizes of the letter "T").  When the Style Manager pops up,. click on the Security icon near the right end.  G If you plan to connect from Unix, keep in mind that the only "username"1 supported for TCP/IP is "*".   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:50:48 +0300t From: pkassapi@panafon.gr-& Subject: CPU factor for Alpha systems?6 Message-ID: <422568BE.00376A15.00@mailsmtp.panafon.gr>   Hello!  O There is a Compaq DSN article titled "Cookbook of Performance Slowdown, VAX andcK Alpha, V6.0 and Upwards", which includes two CPU Factor tables (for VAX and G Alpha systems). According to the article "the CPU_FACTOR variable is anmN unofficial, gross estimation of a systems resource potential.  The variable isO only meant for use in this article." with the added warning "NO BENCHMARK STUDYfG WAS CONDUCTED TO DETERMINE THEIR VALUES!", i.e. use at your own risk!..a  K Does anyone know the CPU factor numbers for newer AlphaServers models? I ameK particularly interested in the following models: 8200 5/440, 8200 with EV67aO 700MHz CPUs, GS60E 6/525, GS140 6/525, ES40 6/500, 4000 5/466, and 4100 5/466..nL I would like to calculate some performance thumb rules for the above systemsI following the article's guidelines.. Is there an updated article coveringw
 OpenVMS 7.X ?o   Regards,
 Panayiotis   ---------------- Panayiotis Kassapidis! Systems Engineer+ IT/Computer Systems Centre/Systems Servicess+ PANAFON Hellenic Telecommunications Companyg e-mail: pkassapi@panafon.grt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:25:48 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o* Subject: Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems?( Message-ID: <38F2FDAC.858FAA2@gtech.com>   pkassapi@panafon.gr wrote:M > Does anyone know the CPU factor numbers for newer AlphaServers models? I amdM > particularly interested in the following models: 8200 5/440, 8200 with EV67iQ > 700MHz CPUs, GS60E 6/525, GS140 6/525, ES40 6/500, 4000 5/466, and 4100 5/466..oN > I would like to calculate some performance thumb rules for the above systemsK > following the article's guidelines.. Is there an updated article covering  > OpenVMS 7.X ?u  ' I would get some SPEC number and scale.a   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:38:07 GMTi) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>y* Subject: Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems?; Message-ID: <jgDI4.70992$1C2.2106401@news20.bellglobal.com>C  & <pkassapi@panafon.gr> wrote in message0 news:422568BE.00376A15.00@mailsmtp.panafon.gr... >. > Hello! >sI > There is a Compaq DSN article titled "Cookbook of Performance Slowdown,- VAX andAI > Alpha, V6.0 and Upwards", which includes two CPU Factor tables (for VAXF and5I > Alpha systems). According to the article "the CPU_FACTOR variable is anlD > unofficial, gross estimation of a systems resource potential.  The variable is>K > only meant for use in this article." with the added warning "NO BENCHMARK  STUDYrI > WAS CONDUCTED TO DETERMINE THEIR VALUES!", i.e. use at your own risk!..  >nJ > Does anyone know the CPU factor numbers for newer AlphaServers models? I amH > particularly interested in the following models: 8200 5/440, 8200 with EV67I > 700MHz CPUs, GS60E 6/525, GS140 6/525, ES40 6/500, 4000 5/466, and 4100  5/466..cF > I would like to calculate some performance thumb rules for the above systemspK > following the article's guidelines.. Is there an updated article coveringp
 OpenVMS 7.X ?  >m
 > Regards, > Panayiotis >o > ---------------- > Panayiotis Kassapidist > Systems Engineer- > IT/Computer Systems Centre/Systems Servicesi- > PANAFON Hellenic Telecommunications Company- > e-mail: pkassapi@panafon.gr- >-I I'm not sure about the specific models that you mentioned (including EV673L and the recently announced EV68) , but some "VAX - Alpha" comparisons can beI found at http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_name.html6D and http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_perf.html  H With regards to OpenVMS 7.x, my philosophy is newer is always better (myK overworked VAX became rock solid once I upgraded from VMS 5.5-2 to VMS 6.2;eK BTW - I never usually upgrade to any "dot zero" or "dot one"). In Septembern9 '99 I upgraded to VMS 7.2 and all is well with the world.A  
 Neil Rieck* Kitchener(New Berlin?)/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/h6 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/alpha_diary.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:51:39 GMTa) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>b* Subject: Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems?; Message-ID: <%sDI4.71034$1C2.2106704@news20.bellglobal.com>-   [snip]  K > I'm not sure about the specific models that you mentioned (including EV67<K > and the recently announced EV68) , but some "VAX - Alpha" comparisons can  beK > found at http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_name.htmlnF > and http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_perf.html   [snip]  ? Also check out: http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/performance/m  
 Neil Rieck* Kitchener(New Berlin?)/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/h6 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/alpha_diary.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:51:22 GMTh2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)* Subject: Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems?' Message-ID: <2000Apr11.075122.1@eisner>u  g In article <jgDI4.70992$1C2.2106401@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:m  J > With regards to OpenVMS 7.x, my philosophy is newer is always better (myM > overworked VAX became rock solid once I upgraded from VMS 5.5-2 to VMS 6.2;tM > BTW - I never usually upgrade to any "dot zero" or "dot one"). In Septembera; > '99 I upgraded to VMS 7.2 and all is well with the world.   B That is good for VAX, but on Alpha I would strongly urge people toG use VMS V7.2-1 rather than VMS V7.2 due to a wide variety of bug fixes.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:21:03 -0400t" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>* Subject: Re: CPU factor for Alpha systems?6 Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000411101951.01d25810@24.8.96.48>  1 At 11:51 AM 4/11/00 +0000, Larry Kilgallen wrote:eJ >In article <jgDI4.70992$1C2.2106401@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck"  ><n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:r >.L > > With regards to OpenVMS 7.x, my philosophy is newer is always better (myO > > overworked VAX became rock solid once I upgraded from VMS 5.5-2 to VMS 6.2; O > > BTW - I never usually upgrade to any "dot zero" or "dot one"). In September = > > '99 I upgraded to VMS 7.2 and all is well with the world.9 > C >That is good for VAX, but on Alpha I would strongly urge people toTH >use VMS V7.2-1 rather than VMS V7.2 due to a wide variety of bug fixes.  F And don't forget the mandatory patches, either, unless you're fond of * unprivileged users crashing your system...   					Dan  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------L Dan Sugalski                          General and VMS-specific perl training
 dan@sidhe.orgB>                                       Mail me for more details   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:26:50 GMTK From: mumfrd@my-deja.com Subject: DE500 problem/docs ) Message-ID: <8cvn8d$2hb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   E I have a de500 thats giving me problems. Anyone know where I can findb any DE500 docs on the web?  D If not maybe someone can help. We just bought a used AS4100, but the# de500 won't connect to the network.yE The LINK light comes on at the de500 end, but not at the 3com networkc$ end. I've tried 2 cables, no change.  G At the >>> level, a SHOW CONFIG shows the de500 OK, but when I boot VMS # and run netconfig, it tells me that   there are "no lines configured".  ) This is OpenVMS 6.2-1h3, Decnet phase IV.u   Anybody have any ideas?m   Thanks in advancee   robert.mumford@sea.siemens.com
 [End of file]e    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:38:45 GMTm From: lucverhoelst@my-deja.com1 Subject: DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE and no decwindowsi) Message-ID: <8cuvbl$a3q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>d  . I installed VMS 7.1 on a DEC2000 model 300 AXPF This was a Fresh install , including format of the disk and during theH installation the layered product DECWINDOWS was selected and installed .   Rom version 2.2s SRM FW version 370, Doing a show config on the boot prompt I see 1  ISA   VGA OK 3 The installation completed all on the Blue screen .n5 The VMS startup terminates correctly (job terminated)n but the DECWindows do not start , On the end of the startup there is a message1 DECW$DEVICE-I-Nodevice, no graphics devices found   7 The License for VMS and DW-Motif are loaded and active.d  I can login on the OPA0: device. Rund DECW$Configure I get0 Number of Screens 0  Screen devices and order : NONEo  ! Using MC SYSGEN> Windows_system 1   & So the windows parameter is set to 1 .    Any suggestions how to proceed ?    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:24:20 +0100u- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>: Subject: Re: ebay to drop Sun?) Message-ID: <38F31974.33CD1318@bbc.co.uk>r   "Main, Kerry" wrote:   >1 >"L > Anyway, here is one of the first official Wildfire benchmark numbers using > SAP numbers:J > http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/sap/sap2tcs.html (as you canI > see, it almost takes first place with half the number of cpu's that the- >t  J Kerry, why are there no Sun or HP boxen on that list? Were they not tested- or did they just not make it into the top 13?n   Regardsn   >     --c6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukl  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:18:13 GMTp2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: ebay to drop Sun?' Message-ID: <2000Apr11.091813.1@eisner>c  Y In article <38F31974.33CD1318@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  >  >  > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  >> >>M >> Anyway, here is one of the first official Wildfire benchmark numbers usingc >> SAP numbers:eK >> http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/sap/sap2tcs.html (as you caniJ >> see, it almost takes first place with half the number of cpu's that the >> > L > Kerry, why are there no Sun or HP boxen on that list? Were they not tested/ > or did they just not make it into the top 13?    I know !  I know !  I know !" Call on me, teacher.  Call on me !  F If you scroll down further on the page you will see that Sun is listedE as benchmarking only for the prior version where there are 4 entries,s6 not for the latest version where there are 14 entries.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:59:05 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: ebay to drop Sun?* Message-ID: <38F32FA9.BF43A003@uk.sun.com>   Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >n > >s > >tN > > Anyway, here is one of the first official Wildfire benchmark numbers using > > SAP numbers:L > > http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/sap/sap2tcs.html (as you canK > > see, it almost takes first place with half the number of cpu's that the  > >  >cL > Kerry, why are there no Sun or HP boxen on that list? Were they not tested/ > or did they just not make it into the top 13?e >S  H The list you mention is the 2 tier SAP benchmark, there is also a 3 tier benchmark, for whichO there are many more results if you include the current and previous versions ofo SAP.  J If you look at the 3 tier results you will see that Sun has a large number( of entries including the fastest result.  M The 2 tier benchmark is also much easier to run, all you need is your largesti single system.  M The 3 tier benchmark is much more complex and expensive to run, as an exampleaL Sun used 12 x E10K's including the database server for the 3 tier benchmark, IBM-F used 163 servers fincluding the database server or their benchmark run  M Incedentally the vast majority of SAP installations, particularly at the highjL end are 3 tier and not 2 tier. I will leave you to draw your own conclusions2 as to which results people are more interested in.   RegardsA Andrew Harrisony Enterprise IT Architectu   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2000 07:23:47 -0700* From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett) Subject: Re: ebay to drop Sun?, Message-ID: <nmhWxmHl3msV@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  ( In article <2000Apr11.091813.1@eisner>, 8     kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  0 >> or did they just not make it into the top 13? >  > I know !  I know !  I know !$ > Call on me, teacher.  Call on me ! > H > If you scroll down further on the page you will see that Sun is listedG > as benchmarking only for the prior version where there are 4 entries, 8 > not for the latest version where there are 14 entries.  H    I must say that SAP should be commended on the phenomenal performanceN enhancements they've apparently put into release 4. We've all heard how CompaqB has no systems which can "play with the big boys", yet the puny 32I cpu GS320 has roughly twice the performance of the 64 CPU  Sun EnterprisegH 10000. Of course I'm sure this still doesn't make it a suitable platform for Ebay :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:49:00 +0100m- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>h Subject: Re: ebay to drop Sun?) Message-ID: <38F33B5C.E1632C33@bbc.co.uk>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:  [ > In article <38F31974.33CD1318@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > >t > >n > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >y > >> > >>O > >> Anyway, here is one of the first official Wildfire benchmark numbers using  > >> SAP numbers:-M > >> http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/sap/sap2tcs.html (as you canSL > >> see, it almost takes first place with half the number of cpu's that the > >> > >5N > > Kerry, why are there no Sun or HP boxen on that list? Were they not tested1 > > or did they just not make it into the top 13?G >  > I know !  I know !  I know !$ > Call on me, teacher.  Call on me ! >fH > If you scroll down further on the page you will see that Sun is listedG > as benchmarking only for the prior version where there are 4 entries,n  M Yes Larry, I did see that, but you know the old story of not comparing appleso to oranges.   = I guess we can'ty complain Compaq didn;t benchmark SAP on VMSt because it doesn't exist.i  M And I didn't see HP anywhere on that list.  Which is quite interesting to me.m   >e8 > not for the latest version where there are 14 entries.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukd  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofh MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:22:55 -0700 / From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>i Subject: email problem ( ucx )?yM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AED75@seantexch.unitedad.com>d   Hello Friends,  E I have a strange problem. I am not a UCX guru by any means , but havehJ checked all that I know of in UCX. Here is my problem . I can't send emailH out of my VAX (using UCX V4.2 - ECO 2 on a VAX 4000-705A running OpenVMSI V7.1 ) , I can receive email from vaxmail and from outside the VAX. I candH send to other users on the VAX but can not get it to send to my exchange server.  Thanks in advance for any help Terry Marosites    The return email is :    From:	UCX_SMTPA To:	terry@seavax.unitedad.com <mailto:terry@seavax.unitedad.com> i   CC:  	Subj:	Returned mail    ' ---- Transcript of session follows ----h: %UCX-E-SMTP_NOSUCHNODE,  Remote host unknown, unitedad.com, -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown  ---- Unsent message follows ----% Date:	Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:48:37 -0700 0 	Message-Id: <00041015483687@seavax.unitedad.com- <mailto:00041015483687@seavax.unitedad.com> >nJ From:	terry@seavax.unitedad.com <mailto:terry@seavax.unitedad.com>  (Terry Marosites x3078)= To:	tmarosites@unitedad.com <mailto:tmarosites@unitedad.com> -' Subject:	vms mail to my exchange server0
 	X-VMS-To: @Ta   VMS for Ever!!!! TerryU     Press RETURN for more... MAIL>D   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:25:10 -0400 + From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>l Subject: ftp.decus.org down?1 Message-ID: <38F30B96.70E8E57F@trailing-edge.com>(  3 For the past week or so, any attempts to connect to"< ftp.decus.org have failed.  The links from the www.decus.org4 library pages don't work either (these seem to be to1 ftp://www.decus.org/, which is completely empty.)n  7 What's up?  Has DECUS abandoned these services?  I knowV@ I've complained in the past when they were moved from a VMS host< to a Microsoft Windows host, but these services should exist# somewhere under the DECUS umbrella!l  9 Anyone have any E-mail addresses or phone numbers for the47 relevant people at DECUS who take care of this?  (Or atl< Tacticom, who are being paid by DECUS to take care of this?)   -- sB  Tim Shoppa                        Email: shoppa@trailing-edge.comG  Trailing Edge Technology          WWW:   http://www.trailing-edge.com/a6  7328 Bradley Blvd                 Voice: 301-767-59176  Bethesda, MD, USA 20817           Fax:   301-767-5927   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:44:45 -0400-* From: Clair Grant <grant@evms.zko.dec.com>; Subject: Re: Galaxy (or perhaps Wildfire) and shared memoryc0 Message-ID: <38F3021D.2B9628B8@evms.zko.dec.com>   d.webb@mdx.ac.uk wrote:A > H > I wasn't aware that you could have instances running different OS's inD > a wildfire system sharing memory. I thought that the only way with3 > multiple OSs was in a shared-nothing environment.i >   E You are correct. Different OSes (UNIX, VMS) means hard partitions, no/ sharing.   --   Clair Grantl VMS Exec Group Project Leaders COMPAQ Computer Corporationl 110 Spit Brook Rd. Nashua, NH  03062r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:23:37 -0400u5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>-; Subject: Re: Galaxy (or perhaps Wildfire) and shared memory"+ Message-ID: <8cvjf6$pc5$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>c  : Bill Todd wrote in message <8csu4v$1ea$1@pyrite.mv.net>... >2C >I understand that, and should have made it much clearer that I was2L >addressing potential future capabilities (possibly in Marvel - I don't knowH >what the specific road map may be) for the use of shared memory between hardK >partitions that had been alluded to (I'm pretty sure) by (perhaps) Fred in  >discussions months ago. >t    E Just as a point of correctness... I have not, and can not discuss theyG implementation details of any future system beyond what information hass already been made public.a  G As Clair says in his post, there are hard partitions, and then there isiI everything else.  Hard partitions give you the guarantee that the actions H within one partition will not effect another partition.  Through consoleE magic, you can reconfigure hard partitions, but you can't "share" any  resources directly.0  K The concept of firewalling parts of an address space, or "firm" partitions,eE is something that is a likely consequence of looking for a compromisenF between the guarantees of hard partitions, and the flexibility of soft partitions.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:12:31 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>; Subject: Re: Galaxy (or perhaps Wildfire) and shared memoryi/ Message-ID: <38F35CFE.62E0549E@vl.videotron.ca>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:I > As Clair says in his post, there are hard partitions, and then there is K > everything else.  Hard partitions give you the guarantee that the actionseJ > within one partition will not effect another partition.  Through consoleG > magic, you can reconfigure hard partitions, but you can't "share" anyy > resources directly.d  1 Can hard partitions be dynamically reconfigured ?   L Also, if you create 2 hard partitions, each running VMS, is it fair to stateI that these 2 instances will not be able to form a galaxy but will have toe% cluster with more traditional means ?o  L (or: does the formation of a galaxy require soft partitions in a wildfire ?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:47:51 -0000-* From: "mainframe" <rushwoo@hengsys.com.cn>Y Subject: how to communicate with CICS directly nor through CICS Transaction Server for OSg( Message-ID: <8cus8a$vop$1@news.cz.js.cn>   hi!c A question please !'E our mainframe is S/390 running OS/390, CICS/ESA 4.1, and we have CICS<F Transaction Gateway 3.0.3 for Windows NT and CICS Universal Client forI Windows NT, but we have no CICS Transaction Server for OS/390! We want tobF communicate with CICS directly nor through CICS Transaction Server forG OS/390, what should I do ? If the CICS Transaction Server is required ?vK Please answer me or mail to me, my E-mail address is rushwoo@hengsys.com.cnn	 Thanx !!!d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:26:28 +0200c= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>uY Subject: Re: how to communicate with CICS directly nor through CICS TransactionServer forR) Message-ID: <38F2FDD4.3C7A4132@gtech.com>D   mainframe wrote:G > our mainframe is S/390 running OS/390, CICS/ESA 4.1, and we have CICS H > Transaction Gateway 3.0.3 for Windows NT and CICS Universal Client forK > Windows NT, but we have no CICS Transaction Server for OS/390! We want tokH > communicate with CICS directly nor through CICS Transaction Server forI > OS/390, what should I do ? If the CICS Transaction Server is required ?t   This forum is for VMS not MVS.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:01:12 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>Y Subject: Re: how to communicate with CICS directly nor through CICS TransactionServer fora* Message-ID: <38F33028.E6B7C561@uk.sun.com>   Arne Vajhj wrote:   > mainframe wrote:I > > our mainframe is S/390 running OS/390, CICS/ESA 4.1, and we have CICSlJ > > Transaction Gateway 3.0.3 for Windows NT and CICS Universal Client forM > > Windows NT, but we have no CICS Transaction Server for OS/390! We want to.J > > communicate with CICS directly nor through CICS Transaction Server forK > > OS/390, what should I do ? If the CICS Transaction Server is required ?l >p  > This forum is for VMS not MVS.  4 Perhaps they thought that VMS is just an old version	 of NT :-)i   >e   Regards  Andrew Harrisono Enterprise IT Architectl   ------------------------------  " Date: Tue, 11 Apr 00 09:39:47 +200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) 3 Subject: Re: I can't run/detach in my own X sessiono, Message-ID: <8cuks5$3n6s$1@kiosk.rzg.mpg.de>  * In Article <8csp20$g7u$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:uJ >It needs to be able to see a DECW$DISPLAY logical, unless the applicationJ >has explicitly wired the display in the open display statement.  When youG >run it detached, it no longer sees the logical you currently have set.  >m  I To make this starting of a detached X application easy via a command like@#  $ netvue <node> <decw-application>aI years ago Harvey Brydon posted a command-file for use via decnet (usually  inside a cluster).= If not found on an info-vax archive, fetch it from my system: )  http://wwwvms/util_root/com/decw_vue.comg  K (This is a slightly modified version, which accepts any command in place ofa decw-application above).   -- v/ Joseph "Sepp" Huber,MPI Physik,Muenchen,Germanyb9 huber@mppmu.mpg.de  URL http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~hubern   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:43:58 -0700d5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>o+ Subject: Re: Is sys$dclexh ever not called?v9 Message-ID: <2a8e84a4.15af8952@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com>-   Hi,-  : You might want to look at User Written System Services and$ the rundown routine address options.  6 Having said that I'm not completely sure when they are; invoked. IE: They are called when $delprc is invoked but is0: that as long as the image has just been linked against the: UWSS? or after the first invocation of a routine? or . . .   Regards Richard Mahera     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifull   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:21:48 +0100h- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t% Subject: Re: Manuals for DEC 3000-800-) Message-ID: <38F334FC.B3B833AC@bbc.co.uk>   E Duh, it took me 30 seconds to backtrack from the 3000-600 URL to thisO  ? http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/archive/axp/dec3000_800.htmle   Regardsa   Marcin Szczecinski wrote:S  : > On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 at 13:48:50 +0000, Craig Wood wrote:% > > The manual for the 3000-600 here:?> > > http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/archive/axp/dec3000.pdf >-J > Does anyone know where I can get on-line manuals, user guides, etc for a > DEC 3000-800 Alpha?e >l; > Marcin Szczecinski                    marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl3   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:45:48 +0100r- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>r% Subject: Re: Manuals for DEC 3000-800 ) Message-ID: <38F33A9C.9A6E76D1@bbc.co.uk>y  D Someone (Bob Koehler?) was asking for 3000-300 manuals. They are at:  / http://www.digital.com/lists/QB_archive_HD.html.  * But no 3000-400 or 3000-800 manuals there.     Tim Llewellyn wrote:  G > Duh, it took me 30 seconds to backtrack from the 3000-600 URL to this- >-A > http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/archive/axp/dec3000_800.htmli >r	 > Regards( >r > Marcin Szczecinski wrote:a >o< > > On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 at 13:48:50 +0000, Craig Wood wrote:' > > > The manual for the 3000-600 here:l@ > > > http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/archive/axp/dec3000.pdf > >tL > > Does anyone know where I can get on-line manuals, user guides, etc for a > > DEC 3000-800 Alpha?n > >s= > > Marcin Szczecinski                    marcin@lodz.tpsa.plh >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa > MedAS or the BBC.a   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukr  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.0   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2000 04:21:12 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>' Subject: Re: Netbooting mVaxII question * Message-ID: <B51858BA-182CB@165.247.40.76>  K On Sat, Apr 8, 2000 11:49 AM, Franco Tassone <franco.tassone@rgn.it> wrote:h >Hi all,@ >my mVaxII tk50 unit is dead, and I'm looking for a replacement.F >I would need to install ovms 5-5-2 on my mVaxII, so is it possible toH >"netboot" from console and to install from a remote (VAX) install cdrom  I As others have pointed out, you can boot over the net if you have anothert VMS machine.  C But have you looked at the TK50 to see if it can be fixed?  Some ofk@ the failures are really easy to fix.  I think the most common I F have seen is the leader jumping off its little doohicky (or breaking).D That's pretty easy to fix. Also, a lot of TK50s have reached the ageD where they are home to whole litters of dust-bunnies.  (Just in time, for Easter!)  A careful cleaning might help.  C Or, it might have a fried brain and require an electronics whiz to e get it working...r     ---------------------------  Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com3   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 10:13:02 CST; From: wayne@tachyon.xxx.011052.killspam.0572 (Wayne Sewell)o' Subject: Re: Netbooting mVaxII questionh. Message-ID: <CiMBBxoWPbSO@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  a In article <38F248A4.39FA8C1@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:n > Franco Tassone wrote:e >> r
 >> Hi all,B >> my mVaxII tk50 unit is dead, and I'm looking for a replacement.H >> I would need to install ovms 5-5-2 on my mVaxII, so is it possible toJ >> "netboot" from console and to install from a remote (VAX) install cdrom >> ? > J > The easiest way would be to use cluster_config.com on yor working vax toO > define a satellite vax (the broken one) and have it boot off the good on in alP > cluster. Then, the bad vax will have access to the system dick of the good one@                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^: > and can mount other devices as well, including the TK50.  H Sorry, couldn't let this one slide.  Hopefully, this is another term forR "system manager" or "security manager", similar to the house dick of a hotel.  :-)K The system dick is charged with maintaining security on the system.  If thesN term you have coined has a different meaning, I don't think I will go into it. :-)t   > J > (to mount the TK50 on the good vax from the bad vax, you need to set theJ > SYSGEN parameter TMSCP_LOAD to 1 on the good vax). (Not sure is that was" > supported back in 5.5-2 though). > O > If TMSCP_LOAD isn't supported, then you'll have to copy the VMS savesets from3, > the TK50 to a disk and install from there. -- aO ===============================================================================tK Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachyon.xxxr8 http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)sO =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 15:20:47 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: netscape 6e, Message-ID: <8cvfsf$n5f@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  2 Netscape 6 is out now for Windows, Mac, and Linux.9 (At least the "Preview Release" is, whatever that means.)e  ) When can we expect version 6 for OpenVMS?t   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edus? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech M   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2000 11:53:07 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET)  Subject: Re: netscape 6i. Message-ID: <38f34a63_2@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>  a In article <8cvfsf$n5f@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: 4 |>Netscape 6 is out now for Windows, Mac, and Linux.; |>(At least the "Preview Release" is, whatever that means.)e |>+ |>When can we expect version 6 for OpenVMS?- |>
 |>Regards, |> |>David Mathog |>mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edueA |>Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech u |>  = 	Interresting question but since the version 5 is still underc= beta-release like state, I am wondering if 6 will ever come.        6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400X;   ---m---U---m---------------------------------------------c&   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:39:18 -0400p" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: netscape 6P6 Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000411123846.01d416b0@24.8.96.48>  / At 11:53 AM 4/11/00 -0500, Jerome LAURET wrote:-  L >In article <8cvfsf$n5f@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu  >(David Mathog) writes:-5 >|>Netscape 6 is out now for Windows, Mac, and Linux.g< >|>(At least the "Preview Release" is, whatever that means.) >|>:, >|>When can we expect version 6 for OpenVMS? >4F >         Interresting question but since the version 5 is still under= >beta-release like state, I am wondering if 6 will ever come.m  L They renamed 5 to 6, presumably to jump over the latest version of Internet 	 Exploder.s   					Dan  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------L Dan Sugalski                          General and VMS-specific perl training
 dan@sidhe.orgh>                                       Mail me for more details   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:41:41 +0200a+ From: Harald van Pee <pee@iskp.uni-bonn.de>i Subject: Re: netscape 6w0 Message-ID: <38F371E5.7B007C6D@iskp.uni-bonn.de>   Jerome LAURET wrote:F >         Interresting question but since the version 5 is still under> > beta-release like state, I am wondering if 6 will ever come.  D I have tested it for Linux, and I would say Netscape 6 prerelease is/ something between mozilla m14 and mozilla m15. UD In my understanding Netscape 5 will never come, Netscape 6 is at the moment just a marketing gag.F I really hope that mozilla m15 will be much closer to a milestone than+ Netscape 6 = m14.01, and it will come soon.    Harald   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:16:45 +0200 . From: stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at (Herbert Stoeri)) Subject: non paged pool leak in VMS 7.2-1-= Message-ID: <stoeri-1104001916450001@eapmc3.iap.tuwien.ac.at>    Hello,  J Some weeks ago, there has been a discussion or actually several threads onJ non paged pool leaks in this newsgroup. This was attributed to DECNET overI IP. I observe a similar leak without DENET over IP, and strangely only onmH one machine (a DS10) in a homogeneous cluster with a single system disk.J The others are though older ALPHA machines. I looked into the pool packetsJ of type UNKNOWN, which proliferate, but could find only remains of variousG buffered I/Os, indicating that these packets have never been completelyh, written. Unfortunately no clue on the cause.  - Has anybody observed a similar Problem since?   4 Is there a Patch fixing it (I found none at Compaq)?   Thanks a lot   Herbert Stoeri  D +---------------------------------+--------------------------------+D | Herbert Stoeri                  | Phone: ++43(1)58801/13460      |D | Institut fuer Allgemeine Physik | Fax:   ++43(1)58801/13499      |D | Technische Universitaet Wien    | email: stoeri@iap.tuwien.ac.at |D | Wiedner Hauptstrasse 8-10       |                                |D | A-1040 Wien                     | http://www.iap.tuwien.ac.at/   |D | Austria                         |                                |D +---------------------------------+--------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:28:20 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)* Subject: Optical Storage on an OVMS/Alpha.D Message-ID: <aus-1104001328200001@wvia54.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  F What is the latest status of optical storage possibilities on an Alpha 433au running OpenVMS 7.2?  J The VMS FAQ points to several CD-R possibilities but none are supported by4 Compaq/Digital and seem to have limited flexibility.  I We want (need) to continuously add, preferably on a daily basis, files tolH the storage medium and let the users access the files with DCL commands.   -- kB Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:45:08 -0400-. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>. Subject: Re: Optical Storage on an OVMS/Alpha.+ Message-ID: <8cva3t$5rj$1@bob.news.rcn.net>h  ? This may not be exactly what you are looking for, but US Design.; (www.usdesign.com) has optical solutions for VMS platforms.h   Ken Randella    Hans M. Aus wrote in message ...G >What is the latest status of optical storage possibilities on an Alphac >433au running OpenVMS 7.2?n >lK >The VMS FAQ points to several CD-R possibilities but none are supported bye5 >Compaq/Digital and seem to have limited flexibility.e >iJ >We want (need) to continuously add, preferably on a daily basis, files toI >the storage medium and let the users access the files with DCL commands.e >2 >--aC >Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.deh   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 07:31:39 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)-) Subject: Re: Portable unformatted files 2p5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-RqUbUWET6dhI@localhost>s  E On Sun, 7 Apr 3900 11:39:29, anonymous <pittori@roma2.infn.it> wrote:C  6 > YES, I DEFINITELY NEED IT! Please can you mail me at  E I tried this by Email yestreday but I'm not sure it got to you and I gF leave for the UK today. Some of Ken's points are probably better than  my ideas at the bottom of this.e  C If the email got thro' then note I've updated the text here in the W% light of my checking the segment ids.t   >>> EMAIL STARTS...n  E As is typical, I spent all day yesterday (Sunday) searching old mail r data-bases and old hard disks D looking for my words of wisdom on DEC-Fortran unformatted files and  can't find it, so I'll type it - in again. Here goes :-  F DEC-Fortran Sequential Unformatted files are implemented with the file type 'SEGMENTED'. This RE means that writes which would exceed the maximum buffer size allowed r for the file and/or device DF are broken down into smaller 'segments'. The segments are then written as records to the target a? file/device. In this way large data records can be manipulated C" transparently. Unfortunately, the F receiver of the file has to know how to cope with the segmentation. On DEC O/S's this is not a  problem.  * So what do these records look like. (IIRC)  4 In essence a segmented record is broken down into :-           1. Start segment         n. Inner segements         2. End Segment   A segment consists of :0   	record length (word)n 	segment type  (word)s* 	Data          (Padded to even boundary)    E The maximum length on RSX-11M (where I learnt most of this) was 126. rF On VMS its at least 512. I don't have any files that exceed that that  I remember.r  ! The Segment ids are (Checked now)0  
 	Start = 1
 	Inner = 0
 	End   = 2
 	Only  = 3  D If the length of the input requires only one file record then it is  written as an 'Only' Segment.   D If you use DUMP /RECORD on your VMS system, you can check what your  file looks like.  , How do you read them on a none-VMS platform?  B Basically you need to do the buffering yourself. Something like :-   	do while (.not.done)  	  read record  5 	  if (record.seg_type. eq. 1) then			! begin segment- 	    move data to mybuffer  9 	  else if (record.seg_type .eq. 0) then		! Inner Segment- 	    append data to mybuffer  6 	  else if (record.seg_type.eq.2) then 		! End Segment# 	     append rest data to my bufferm 	     done = truee  8 	  else if (record.seg_type .eq. 3) then		! Only Segment 	    move all data to mybuffer 	    done = .true.   	  elser 	      Handle error!!  	  endif 	enddo  > Obviously I've left out the management of 'my buffer' indeces.  E This does not do it all for you I'm afraid. I don't know the Fortran i that you're using and so I'm hE not sure what options you've got for reading each segmented records. t It might be that you can set c up a structure :-t   	structure /segmented_record/e 	  integer*2	seg_typeo 	  byte		data(512) 	end structure  " 	record /segemented_record/ record   that would allow   	read (file) recordr   Alternatively you may need   	integer*2	seg_type. 	byte		data(512)   	read (file) seg_type,data  F I have to confess this is something I'd normally do in assembler with  a 'get record' because then F I've got the record length too! To do that in Fortran you might try it with a Formatted read with - the Q operator. e.g.  # 	read (file,1000) len,seg_type,datah    1000	format (q,i2,a<len-2>)  E IIRC, on VMS this would _not_ work 'cos the OTS would complain about 2E file type mismatch or something. Although I seem to remember AXP and t4 VAX being different here but that's another story...   Hope that gets you close.    Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2000 04:31:22 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>) Subject: Re: Portable unformatted files 2r* Message-ID: <B5185B1C-21217@165.247.40.76>  2 On Mon, Apr 10, 2000 8:10 PM, Ken Fairfield wrote:   > I >        A third alternative would be to use a portable file format, such I >    as FITS (IIRC),  which  is  used  in  the  astronomy community among-I >    others.  A post to comp.lang.fortran should get you some pointers onyE >    this and other portable file formats for exchanging binary data.e  E Yikes!  Is FITS still alive?  I thought about suggesting it, but then F decided it must have been laid to rest long ago.  It must be almost 20F years since I dealt with FITS.  A strange format; compatible with justD about every crazy word size ever implemented.  Which was good, since) we were using a 60-bit Cyber at the time.   D My dim memory can't recall whether FITS included floating point data
 back then.   e,,rln  - (Take that, all you insufferable TECO snobs!)E   ---------------------------n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comp   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:07:26 GMTA, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)) Subject: Re: Portable unformatted files 2w' Message-ID: <2000Apr11.080726.1@eisner>e  a In article <B5185B1C-21217@165.247.40.76>, "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> writes:-   > Yikes!  Is FITS still alive?  ? I understand FITS is alive, well, and in heavy use at the Space:5 Telescope Science Institute and among HST data users.A  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationm= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GrouplE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying0   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 12:46:34 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)) Subject: Re: Portable unformatted files 29. Message-ID: <8cv6ra$4hu$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <2000Apr11.080726.1@eisner>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bobp Koehler) writes: p  ? > In article <B5185B1C-21217@165.247.40.76>, "Robert Deininger"n%  <rdeininger@mindspring.com> writes: 0  8  > > Yikes!  Is FITS still alive? > A > I understand FITS is alive, well, and in heavy use at the Spacey7 > Telescope Science Institute and among HST data users.e  F I've just spent most of my time in the past week with FITS files, and I I'm not even an observer!  Yes, very much alive, still the standard etc, s6 not just for HST but for all of astronomy essentially.  G More to the subject of this newsgroup, isn't VMS still alive, well and C8 in heavy use at the Space Telescope Science Institute?    H What about the rumour of the International Space Station being "full of  VAXen"---any truth to that?o   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 11:03 -0400e From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m, Subject: Re: Request for Wildfire/Galaxy URL& Message-ID: <11APR200011031091@miasys>  T In article <8cturf$7t4$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes... > < >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message >> "Arthur E. Ragosta" wrote:o  :F >> > >     stay tuned to this page for a big announcement coming soon!  :? >> > WOW!  Sorry, this page worked fine this morning... honest!e  :A >> OK, now I get it. It is part of a conspiracy to prevent sales.e  :  H >Hey, now that we've found that Compaq actually *can* respond quickly to >external stimuli...   Cute!e  @ Anyway, I happened to be in a meeting this morning with a personA that can probably fix this and he's going after this information a deprevation glitch.    	Hein.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:38:16 +0000l$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk3 Subject: SAP benchmarks (was Re: ebay to drop Sun?) / Message-ID: <002568BE.0055FBE3.00@quegw01.btyp>o  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza-   Andrew,D  I If you look at what Kerry has said, you will see that this is a referenceeI to the first Wildfire benchmarks, it's not about whether Sun is faster inaJ some areas, or whether Compaq is. It may not be relevant to you, except inJ your evangelical pursuit of all things VMS (which this is not) but yes, weI draw our own conclusions, and they are that Wildfire, in this example, ise pretty good.  F No need for you to fill the bandwidth of this newsgroup with Sun salesI pitch. Or would you like me to compete with the litany of problems Yellow J Pages has had, and is having, with the Sun boxes being installed here, and? why the organisation is looking elsewhere for it's SAP hardware  platform...?   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesa        J Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 11/04/2000 13:59:05    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)^K From:      Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>, 11u             April 2000, 1:59 p.m.   Re: ebay to drop Sun?f         Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >h > >d > >fH > > Anyway, here is one of the first official Wildfire benchmark numbers usingm > > SAP numbers:H > > http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/sap/sap2tcs.html (as you can K > > see, it almost takes first place with half the number of cpu's that thet > >  >GE > Kerry, why are there no Sun or HP boxen on that list? Were they not  tested/ > or did they just not make it into the top 13?' >u  H The list you mention is the 2 tier SAP benchmark, there is also a 3 tier benchmark, for whichC there are many more results if you include the current and previous= versions of= SAP.  J If you look at the 3 tier results you will see that Sun has a large number( of entries including the fastest result.  E The 2 tier benchmark is also much easier to run, all you need is youra largests single system.  E The 3 tier benchmark is much more complex and expensive to run, as an= examplelA Sun used 12 x E10K's including the database server for the 3 tierm
 benchmark, IBM-F used 163 servers fincluding the database server or their benchmark run  H Incedentally the vast majority of SAP installations, particularly at the high@ end are 3 tier and not 2 tier. I will leave you to draw your own conclusionsA2 as to which results people are more interested in.   Regardsn Andrew Harrisonr Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:43:08 +0100nB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>/ Subject: Re: Sun considers VMS a "mainframe" OSr* Message-ID: <38F32BEC.1E5F3963@uk.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  L > Considering VMS a 'mainframe' system is not limited to Sun.  In fact, backN > when the most powerful VAXen were in development, there was sentiment within- > DEC that VMS was headed for that territory.i >.  < The sentiment resulted in the 9000 series which was marketed= if that is the right word as a mainframe by Digital. The fact,? that it was a failure because it was late, slow, unreliable etc,? does not alter the fact that it was designed to be Digitals VAXI
 mainframe.     >nI > VMS certainly has far closer to mainframe-level support for things likedN > batch processing than Unices do, and in general may look like an inscrutableK > mainframe-style OS to people raised on Unix.  Which is not to say that itoG > competes directly with S/390 system variants across their full range.- >c  D Most commercial UNIX's have batch support, batch control systems andE batch scheduler classes nowdays, they also have things like fairsharee schedulers.    >1I > Compaq's full system line-up maps at least somewhat to IBM's in severalPL > ways:  Tru64 <-> AIX, Linux, Windows boxes, and (Tandem systems + VMS) <->L > (the S/390 system variants + OS/400).  But the last mapping is the hardestK > to couch in terms of apples-to-apples comparisons.  However, these systemoL > sets do point out the fact that no other vendor comes anywhere near having  > the same breadth of offerings. >a  C Currently none of the Compaq systems map onto the S390 because they D don't have the reliability facilities or the performance. Things mayB change with WildFire when it is announced but at the moment Compaq> have nothing that has the capabilities of something like a G6.   Regards- Andrew Harrison- Enterprise IT Architect-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:25:08 GMTa* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)/ Subject: Re: Sun considers VMS a "mainframe" OSm' Message-ID: <2000Apr11.102508.1@eisner>-  o In article <38F32BEC.1E5F3963@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:t > Bill Todd wrote: > M >> Considering VMS a 'mainframe' system is not limited to Sun.  In fact, backiO >> when the most powerful VAXen were in development, there was sentiment withina. >> DEC that VMS was headed for that territory. >> > > > The sentiment resulted in the 9000 series which was marketed? > if that is the right word as a mainframe by Digital. The fact5A > that it was a failure because it was late, slow, unreliable etc.A > does not alter the fact that it was designed to be Digitals VAX  > mainframe. >   9 	Maybe one of their few engineering blunders.  ECL looked-? 	like an up and comer, but didn't deliver.  Terry S. always hast 	some insight on the 9000.   >  >>J >> VMS certainly has far closer to mainframe-level support for things likeO >> batch processing than Unices do, and in general may look like an inscrutablesL >> mainframe-style OS to people raised on Unix.  Which is not to say that itH >> competes directly with S/390 system variants across their full range. >> > F > Most commercial UNIX's have batch support, batch control systems andG > batch scheduler classes nowdays, they also have things like fairsharen
 > schedulers.t >   > 	Got to learn more about this fairshare scheduling stuff, and > 	gang scheduling.  At a recent site, performance was lousy andH 	they had to tweek scheduling (a large multi-processor non-Sun Unix box)C 	and then things got better.  Wonder why something as sophisticatedaD 	as that can be left to the end-user.  By the way, I have no detailsB 	so probably shouldn't be mentioning it... just thinking out loud.   >>J >> Compaq's full system line-up maps at least somewhat to IBM's in severalM >> ways:  Tru64 <-> AIX, Linux, Windows boxes, and (Tandem systems + VMS) <->cM >> (the S/390 system variants + OS/400).  But the last mapping is the hardestsL >> to couch in terms of apples-to-apples comparisons.  However, these systemM >> sets do point out the fact that no other vendor comes anywhere near having ! >> the same breadth of offerings.- >> > E > Currently none of the Compaq systems map onto the S390 because they-F > don't have the reliability facilities or the performance. Things mayD > change with WildFire when it is announced but at the moment Compaq@ > have nothing that has the capabilities of something like a G6. >   @ 	I think this all changes shortly.  Changes for SURE when MarvelD 	and Sarenghetti (spell?  man you guys gotta improve codenames, thatC 	one is brutal) come along.  That's why I wasn't so tongue in cheekdC 	declaring the mainframe dead recently.  But many have declared theaD 	mainframe dead before.  This time a sea change in performance whereE 	the mainframe is trailing badly.  Hitachi got out of the traditional D 	mainframe business in a big hurry, must be something on the horizon 	to scare them out.      				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:20:37 GMTj' From: Bob Bowles <rbowles@mediaone.net>./ Subject: Re: Sun considers VMS a "mainframe" OS , Message-ID: <38F34317.C5FF467D@mediaone.net>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:G >> Most commercial UNIX's have batch support, batch control systems and G > batch scheduler classes nowdays, they also have things like fairsharee
 > schedulers.   F Don't get me wrong, I think CRON is pretty nifty, use it all the time.  @ But where can I find batch support on Solaris?  Is it out of the< box with the OS?  Or a commonly added 3rd party application?   Bobe   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 00:53 CSTh' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)s1 Subject: Re: Warning: circuitsurgeon is a ripoff!a- Message-ID: <11APR200000535477@gerg.tamu.edu>-  % Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes...3' }At 1022 AM 04/10/2000 +0200, you wrotevI }>Accusing someone of having sent a defective drive and claiming you havei; }>received a defective drive is two very different things !1 } W }no it's not. if someone sent you a defective drive, then you would receive a defective  }drive.m  > However, just because it arrived in a defective state does not  mean it was defective when sent.  ? Things are damaged in shipping all the time. Even non-mechancal > things. A few months ago, I had a book damaged in shipping (itE had a couple of chunks taken out of it). Did I make moronic statemnts C like, "It arrived damaged therefore you must have sent me a damaged A book"? Of course not - I'm not an idiot. I am well aware that theyA package did not teleport from the sender to my mailbox. There wasiA a considerable amount of stuff that happened in between its beingiE sent and its arrival (some of which was obviously rather unpleasant).h   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:52:16 +0200i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e1 Subject: Re: Warning: circuitsurgeon is a ripoff!t) Message-ID: <38F2D9B0.26BFE54A@gtech.com>o  
 Dan wrote:D > I'd like to know why you are so adamant about protecting this guy?# > Are you two in business together?n  8 I do not think I am protecting him. I am questioning the0 relevance of your posts and some of its content.  6 No - I have no business interests with circuitsurgeon.  , I have never done business with them either.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:59:18 -0400(& From: "Brian Gravitt" <ncc2@erols.com>Y Subject: RE: Warning: Circumcision is a ripoff!  (Was: Warning: circuitsurgeon is a ripofS9 Message-ID: <NDBBJFKDOOBIAOGEILEHAEMECDAA.ncc2@erols.com>t  0 I Second that. I think we have all heard enough.   -----Original Message-----@ From: KAPLANSKYM@NCCCOT.AGR.CA [mailto:KAPLANSKYM@NCCCOT.AGR.CA]$ Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:06 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : Subject: Warning: Circumcision is a ripoff! (Was: Warning: circuitsurgeon is a ripoff!)     Enough!a   Marvin Kaplansky   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Apr 2000 17:14:45 GMT From: sk388@aol.com (Sk388)o5 Subject: Re: Weird power problem on an Alpha 3000-600 : Message-ID: <20000411131445.23929.00002107@ng-md1.aol.com>  M I work with 600's also.  They have had the same power problem you mentioned. uL We saw it as a internal power supply issue.  When the PS cools down it works again. t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:48:09 GMTh/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>r? Subject: Where to find DECserver Network Access Software (DNAS)f) Message-ID: <38F2F4D8.61BADEEA@uiowa.edu>a  E Does anyone know how or where I can find the DECserver Network AccessaF Software (DNAS, #QB-0LWAA-WA) v2.3?  Where would I look for it?  Is itG on a normal CD distribution or is it a special product I have to order?bD If so, any idea how much it would cost?  Could a regular VAR get it?   Thanks in advance for any help!t Rick -- )H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:44:38 -07000? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid>oC Subject: Re: Where to find DECserver Network Access Software (DNAS)t9 Message-ID: <022dacf6.eb7e1e3d@usw-ex0110-075.remarq.com>e  8 Our CDs came with the decserver 700s we order - we get a6 'free' CD with each one and the software is pre-loaded     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful6   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2000 18:59:57 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)C Subject: Re: Where to find DECserver Network Access Software (DNAS)u* Message-ID: <38f35a0d$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  [ In article <38F2F4D8.61BADEEA@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:oF >Does anyone know how or where I can find the DECserver Network Access@ >Software (DNAS, #QB-0LWAA-WA) v2.3?  Where would I look for it?  # Currently http://www.cabletron.com/m+ After Cabletron sell the DNPG, who knows...T  G >                                                                 Is itrH >on a normal CD distribution or is it a special product I have to order?  J There is a CD packaged with every DECserver90M, DECserver 900TM and so on.  E >If so, any idea how much it would cost?  Could a regular VAR get it?    Can't comment.   -- -< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888A< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:13:28 GMTt( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>C Subject: Re: Where to find DECserver Network Access Software (DNAS)o' Message-ID: <Fsv3uG.8z7@spcuna.spc.edu>n  = In comp.os.vms Richard L. Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote:rG > Does anyone know how or where I can find the DECserver Network AccesshH > Software (DNAS, #QB-0LWAA-WA) v2.3?  Where would I look for it?  Is itI > on a normal CD distribution or is it a special product I have to order?nF > If so, any idea how much it would cost?  Could a regular VAR get it?  F   Digital forgot how to handle export-controlled materials on ConDist,E so it was removed from ConDist* some years ago. You need to subscribeDF to the update service for the product, and it comes on its own CD. The# current version is apparently 2.3A.F  G *Notes: Before someone flames me about this, 1) the DECserver 700 soft-tJ ware currently on ConDist is the obsolete, unsupported DS700 package, not G DNAS. 2) ConDist used to have a supplemental CD with all of the export- G controlled stuff on it, included only on domestic ConDist shipments. OfmG course, now that export controls have been relaxed, perhaps it could bea re-added to ConDist.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com?5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAS   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Apr 2000 19:46:22 +0100T From: pmoreau@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)? Subject: Re: Why are there no French people in this newsgroup ?3  Message-ID: <eBv3WqHNEUkC@sable>  ] In article <seqcfl5mrfg119@corp.supernews.com>, "David Turner" <d_b_turner@yahoo.com> writes:t > This is a weird deal.... > K > Netherlands, Germany, US UK, Ozzy's;  pretty much everyone, but no Frenchr >  > Strange huh ?o > # > Do they still use VMS en France ?g% > Or PC's only  - Vive Monsieur Bill! J > Actually - if one tries to pronouce Vms with a french accent, it doesn't) > sound 'arf as good as Solaris or Unix -t  O Mais si, il y a des Francais sur comp.os.vms, mais je rentre juste de vacances,dN et j'ai mme 2 stations sous VMS  la maison et quelques pages web consacres   ce sujet, par exemple:  $   http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/   I don't like Mr Bill.-  ? VMS is not dead in France, just near dead ... comme partout :-)r   Patrickg -- .O ===============================================================================0O pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)e4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www2.cenaath.cena.dgac.fr/~pmoreau/  http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:13:27 +0100e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>a. Subject: Re: Wierd Elsa Gloria Synergy Problem) Message-ID: <38F316E7.AE749BAF@bbc.co.uk>    David A Froble wrote:s   > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >tN > > If you are not doing heavy graphics output, and have a god quality monitor> >                                                          ^^^Q > I really hope you don't consider a 21" monitor, even a DEC 21" monitor, in thisrM > class.  If so, then I don't have much to look forward to. :-(  Now 3 walls, O > ceiling and floor of a generous sized room,  That would be a serious monitor!tR > :-)  (I'd ask for the back wall also, but as I get older, I find turning my head > that far is becoming harder.)s  O Well, I keep hearing the miltary are developing a monitor you can unroll on the2: wall. Keep seeing no product however. I do like that idea,  -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk'  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofs MedAS or the BBC.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:03:46 -0400e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> . Subject: Re: Wierd Elsa Gloria Synergy Problem+ Message-ID: <8cvi9t$p0j$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>   E Tom Leitner wrote in message <8ct8n0$kfn$1@fstgss02.tu-graz.ac.at>...a  I >It doesn't buy much in terms of video memory. But it buys a lot in termssF >of pixmap memory required in the X server. With 16 bit depth, pixmapsG >(and CDE, for example needs lots of them) are only half as big as withh8 >24 bit depth (2 bytes per pixel vs. 4 bytes per pixel). >v    J  Yeah, but PIXMAPs are done as memory pixmaps, so it's just VM.  You would/ need a lot of PIXMAPs before you run out of VM.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:41:55 GMTn( From: aclc@<spamtrap>usa.net (Alan Chee)4 Subject: Re: Will COMPAQ Australia please contact me5 Message-ID: <38f2b95f.8851187@news.mel.comcen.com.au>o  4 Try http://www.yellowpages.com.au/search/search.html  % Search for "COMPAQ" as business name.D4 You should get all the numbers to various divisions.6 Include state NSW, VIC to narrow to Sydney, Melbourne.  F I wonder if X.500 from some free university sites might lead to COMPAQ contacts...e   ~alanC    , "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> wrote:   >All,  > M >If this is not the appropriate newsgroup, please accept my apologies. I havewM >been trying to contact COMPAQ in Australia for about a week now (I am in thelM >UK) I've left messages/Sent Faxes, even had COMPAQ UK trying to get them forD >me - but no response. > E >Will someone from COMPAQ Australia please contact me. I would like anH >quotation for Hardware support on some PWS500au, and some PC's that ourJ >customer (in Australia) has purchased from us in the UK. (We are a COMPAQK >OEM) The Alpha's run VMS (The best!). I want to place support contracts on M >behalf of our customers (it's the way we do things) but I cannot get someonesL >in Aus to call or E Mail me back! I know that CPQ Aus may read this NG, andJ >certainly that CPQ staff read it. Also for CPQ staff, please post correctJ >contact details on the web site (the phone numbers are not correct - as I( >was told by a security guy in CPQ Aus!) > L >I have not given my work E Mail, but an alternative (I get too many E mailsI >anyway and would not like to receive spam from MLM etc) is given. Once Iu7 >have a contact, I will give all the necessary details!g >  >Thanks in advance for the helpa > 
 >Andy Proctoro) >Global Simulation Systems www.gssl.co.uku" >E Mail me at aproctor@hotmail.com >c >t >  >t >p   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.203 ************************