1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 13 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 207       Contents:+ Re: 36 Gb disk drive question (supported ?)  ??== Has vmsnet gone away. Re: ??== Has vmsnet gone away.% Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI Question % DEBUGGER - Has anybody installed this $ Re: DECserver 90M booting problem... demsa  Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! + RE: Highest OpenVMS version supporting VWS? + Re: Highest OpenVMS version supporting VWS? . Re: How to conntect from win2000 to PathWorks?. How to identify if a patch has been installed.2 Re: How to identify if a patch has been installed. Maximum Password Lengths RE: Maximum Password Lengths Re: Maximum Password Lengths Re: Maximum Password Lengths Re: Maximum Password Lengths Re: Maximum Password Lengths RE: Maximum Password Lengths Re: Netscape Fasttrack Server  Re: Netscape Fasttrack Server  Re: New VMS books coming out Re: New VMS books coming out Re: New VMS books coming out Re: OpenVMS Certification  Re: OpenVMS Certification  RE: Process Quotas RE: Process Quotas RE: Process Quotas Reusing Tape for Backup  RE: Reusing Tape for Backup  Re: Reusing Tape for Backup  RE: Reusing Tape for Backup 0 RF35 or 36 ISE to front panel cable wanted in UK Re: RMS errors) Running old layered products on newer VMS . Re: SAP benchmarks (was Re: ebay to drop Sun?)! Re: Scheduler & PSDC alternatives ! Re: Scheduler & PSDC alternatives  Re: Senility Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ? * RE: Spin down hard disk on idle VMS system Re: Sun question for Andrew  Re: Sun question for Andrew  Re: Sun question for Andrew 6 Re: VAX-11/780, 785 microcode development tools wanted  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2000 12:43:34 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>4 Subject: Re: 36 Gb disk drive question (supported ?)) Message-ID: <B51B7179-89EC@165.247.41.57>   B On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 11:12 AM, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> wrote:3 >At 12:57 AM 4/12/00 -0400, Robert Deininger wrote: I >>On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 1:09 PM, Jerome LAURET <jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu>  >>wrote: >> > >> >>I >>I can't speak for VMS 7.2, but I am currently trying to figure out what G >>to do about a 36 GB Quantum drive that won't work on a DPW 600au with D >>VMS 7.1-1H2.  The console sees it, but VMS complains about invalid >>inquiry data and gives up. > K >IIRC the 36G drives are large enough that their sector count overflows the   I >24-bit integer SCSI uses to hold that info and the remainder gets stuck  K >someplace else reasonably standard. (I don't remember the details, alas) I   K >think there's an ECO out for 7.1 and 6.2 to handle this--check the latest  ? >SCSI and system patches and see if applying them fixes things.   B After thinking about this, I don't think the 24-bit integer is the> culprit.  A 9 GB drive already goes past this limit.  2**24 isE 16,777,216, which is 8 GB worth of blocks.  We have 9 and 18 GB disks F on alphas that are perfectly happy at VMS 7.1.  And we have 9 GB disksB on vaxes that report exactly 16,777,216 blocks -- VMS lops off the
 top GB or so.      ---------------------------  Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:12:58 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)# Subject: ??== Has vmsnet gone away. D Message-ID: <aus-1304000912580001@wvia39.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  @ I'm currently not receiving any vmsnet postings. Is vmsnet dead?  H In the last several weeks, I did not receive any COMP group messages butF that seeems to have been partially fixed; I still don't receive all my usual COMP.SYS postings.   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:49:36 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ' Subject: Re: ??== Has vmsnet gone away. ) Message-ID: <38F5C260.F58E50F9@bbc.co.uk>   E I dunno, I lost access to vmsnet when my news service was corporately  desanitized  over the new year.     "Hans M. Aus" wrote:  B > I'm currently not receiving any vmsnet postings. Is vmsnet dead? > J > In the last several weeks, I did not receive any COMP group messages butH > that seeems to have been partially fixed; I still don't receive all my > usual COMP.SYS postings. >  > --D > Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Apr 2000 13:06:52 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>. Subject: Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI Question* Message-ID: <B51B76EE-1D253@165.247.41.57>  K On Thu, Apr 13, 2000 12:20 AM, Martin Vorlaender <martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE>  wrote:4 >Robert Deininger (rdeininger@mindspring.com) wrote: >: I remember this case:D >: 1. Application does explicit logical name translation on the tapeE >: drive name, saving the result (say MUA1) in a 4-character string.   >: 2. Source code gets "lost". >: 3. SCSI is invented. G >: 4. I watch the poor schmuck who tried to make it work, when the only G >: tape drive available was named MKA400.  There was no way to fix this  >: by defining a logical name. > 	 >Wouldn't  > 7 >  $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC/TRANSLATION=CONCEAL MUA1 MKA400  >  >help?  F No.  As I recall, the program forced its way though multiple levels ofA logical names, even if they were concealed.  It was a VERY smart  F program.  The author made a very LITTLE bit of VMS knowledge go a long way.   ---------------------------  Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:22:48 +0100 4 From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett.@unnecessary.csc.com>. Subject: DEBUGGER - Has anybody installed this3 Message-ID: <38F5E647.D7EA107C@unnecessary.csc.com>    All,  G Has anybody had experience of installing the seperate debugger supplied H with C++ V6.2 Alpha and Fortran 7.2 Alpha for use with other languages -A specifically ADA and especially on a lower version of VMS that is  implied by the kit (7.2).   H I have been advised to install this ADX072 kit on an alpha running 7.1-2H but I am wary that it is apparently intended for installation on 7.2 andH is not supplied with the ADA kit. We have no intentions at this point of1 ugrading to VMS 7.2 (there are specific reasons).   = Is anyone aware of any issues that may arise from doing this.    All responses appreciated.   Ade 0 (remove the UNNECESSARY bit to reply personally)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:48:25 +0200 $ From: acturro <acturro@poczta.wp.pl>- Subject: Re: DECserver 90M booting problem... , Message-ID: <38F5B409.8B84ADF6@poczta.wp.pl>  & Are you sure that DECserver has FLASH?7 As I know DECserver 90M+ has FLASH, but 90M one hasn't.  Maybe I'm wrong.P If it is DECserver without FLASH then it has to load programm from network using MOP portocol@ (a.e. from machine with OpenVMS system) or using BOOTP protocol.K On one machine in your network should be installed DECserver Network Access 	 Software.    Acturro.   Randy Knight wrote:   N > I have multiple 90M units, when any one of them are powered on it boots fromI > the flashrom gives the message "Image load complete" to console. It the L > proceeds to flash the top 4 port lights then the bottom 4 port lights, theG > repeats the top/bottom cycle for 10 min, before stopping then working M > normally. I have DHCP and BOOTP off, so I don't know what it is waiting on. J > Has anyone else had this problem? how do I fix it? Otherwise the servers > work fine after booting. >  > Randy Knight > REKnight@worldnet.att.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:43:50 -0400 + From: "Bob Ricci" <maxx0623@concentric.net>  Subject: demsa< Message-ID: <014d01bfa56f$d437e8d0$585b5cc0@socrates.Subway>  B our demsa-aa is having problems and compaq brought me in a new decF microserver demsa-a, of course it has a different ethernet address. WeL currently utilize x-25 through CONNET into a dsu/csu connected to this demsaL on  an alpha node. The load host is on an old vax 4300. So we load the demsa6 using routeconfig software on the 4300.  (x11node.sys)J 1. I need to point the 4300 vax system to load the router software . (do iK just add the new router to ncp), how do i point the software to load to the  router. and I 2. I think i need to configure the alpha to recognize this new router. Is  this done in decnet _register?J There is no old documentation lying around for the routconfig software nor the demsa-a. Is anyone still using demsa's  thanks ricci_r@subway.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:32:57 GMT  From: adrian_parker@my-deja.com & Subject: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) Message-ID: <8d4489$slj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   B Our networks team kindly decided to drop DECnet over the wide-area network, which was nice   D I'm sure this has been asked before, but did I really have to use R-= Commands/FTP/SMTP to do all those things that used to work so  wonderfully before?   ? Short of setting up DECnet over TCP/IP which doesn't seem to be E supported by Compaq with Phase IV DECnet (meaning we would have to go G Phase V which is not practical for us), this seems to be my only option D (but doesn't that defeat the object of going IP?). Perhaps if others? have been in this situation then they could share some of their  experience.   @ In a multivendor TCP/IP environment running on VMS we have had aE nightmare. We have had to compromise and in most cases taken backward  steps.  F RCP, in some combinations, doesn't seem to support a logical specifiedG in both source and destination (can anyone confirm). We are also having E to resort to creating an FDL, copying it along with the file and then F converting it back at the remote end. Loads of lines of DCL and use of6 RSH/REXEC for a command that used to work on one line!  E We used FTSV for large file transfers, now we are trying to use FTSO. D Apart from having a terrible command-line interface and poor help weE have had to setup proxy accounts on all our remote sites and maintain ? an alias file, since FTP doesn't support proxies. Show a job in G progress, when is it going to finish? You can't tell anymore. Basically G the change-over has not been as smooth as one would expect, although we / have nearly worked around most of our problems.   F VMSmails via SMTP hmmm, first you really need a DNS infrastructure. IfE that didn't exist? Forget it. It's a major headache to manage too. No G more instant errors, like node unreachable so you know where you stand. G Send a message and you think it's gone. Only to find the SMTP queue had E stopped. So you have to set up a whole process to monitor SMTP queues D across all your nodes. What if the customer uses alternate gateways?F Those messages disappear off-node and then don't turn up..where'd they5 go? Who knows. This really has been a major headache.   B What about usefull commands like SUBMIT/REMOTE and use of the taskE object..well you can always use RSH/REXEC I guess, but be prepared to G change all of your procedures and as with RCP these are generally not a " straight command for command swap!  D On the whole it hasn't been straight forward! I appreciate this is aF major change but the support for TCP/IP is nowhere near as seamless asC perhaps it could be. Along with all of the technial problems, users D have had to adopt to. We would definately have considered a Phase IVF DECnet over IP solution in hindsight if it didn't have to be tied to aB single IP vendor (TCPware for example supports DECnet over IP withC phase IV). If there are any other solutions then I would definately 6 like to hear of them (especially if they're free! :-).  4 Anyway, please let us know if you've had to do this.   Regards, Adrian    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:08:40 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!+ Message-ID: <8d46bc$47q@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   P <adrian_parker@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8d4489$slj$1@nnrp1.deja.com...D > Our networks team kindly decided to drop DECnet over the wide-area > network, which was nice   A > Short of setting up DECnet over TCP/IP which doesn't seem to be G > supported by Compaq with Phase IV DECnet (meaning we would have to go I > Phase V which is not practical for us), this seems to be my only option F > (but doesn't that defeat the object of going IP?). Perhaps if othersA > have been in this situation then they could share some of their 
 > experience.   D I would suggest you look again at DECnet V over IP, using Local/BindA namespaces.  It is a bit more heavyweight than DECnet IV but with 1 modern machines, that's not so much of a problem.   A I'd be interested to hear why you think DECnet V is an issue. The = whole point of the IV->V change was that Phase V supported IP ; (and another protocol family whose name escapes me) as well  as the native network layer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:49:20 GMT 2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!' Message-ID: <2000Apr13.074920.1@eisner>   X In article <8d46bc$47q@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  C > I'd be interested to hear why you think DECnet V is an issue. The ? > whole point of the IV->V change was that Phase V supported IP = > (and another protocol family whose name escapes me) as well  > as the native network layer.  ? For those who are interested in Security, DECnet-Plus lacks the C node level access controls provided in the Phase IV implementation.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:12:19 GMT  From: adrian_parker@my-deja.com * Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) Message-ID: <8d4dip$6cr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   + In article <8d46bc$47q@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, -   "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote:   C > I'd be interested to hear why you think DECnet V is an issue. The ? > whole point of the IV->V change was that Phase V supported IP = > (and another protocol family whose name escapes me) as well  > as the native network layer.  F Basically we had to make a decision to go one way or the other in veryC short timescales. We do not manage most of the remote systems (they C aren't centrally managed either), so we looked at the lowest common E configuration - we wanted to use what we had. It turned out about 90% F had an IP stack up and running and about 2% had Phase V. Also, I guessF a major factor was lack of Phase V skills within the organisation, andD no time to train. Most however have IP skills. So we decided that weD could maybe get away with enabling a few services here and there andF using the IP-integrated commands (copy/rcp etc) and smtp and rcmds andB changing our support procedures. As we went along we just hit moreF problems than we anticipated, but like I say we managed to work around@ most. Looking back, we possibly wouldn't have ruled out Phase V.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:56:34 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> * Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) Message-ID: <38F5C402.B1596417@bbc.co.uk>     adrian_parker@my-deja.com wrote:  D > Our networks team kindly decided to drop DECnet over the wide-area > network, which was nice  >   @ So, send them the bill to migrate to Phase V. Need a consultant?   > F > I'm sure this has been asked before, but did I really have to use R-? > Commands/FTP/SMTP to do all those things that used to work so  > wonderfully before?  >    It will NOT BE THE SAME.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofQ MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:40:30 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004131537530.6895-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  + On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Larry Kilgallen wrote:d [...] @ +For those who are interested in Security, DECnet-Plus lacks theD +node level access controls provided in the Phase IV implementation.  9 ...and other intuitive commands like NCP SHO KNOWN LINKS.     Regards - Gotfryd   --E =====================================================================tF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:37:48 GMTo( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!' Message-ID: <FsyJ70.I7M@spcuna.spc.edu>t  * Richard Brodie <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:C > I'd be interested to hear why you think DECnet V is an issue. Theu? > whole point of the IV->V change was that Phase V supported IPo= > (and another protocol family whose name escapes me) as wellr > as the native network layer.  I   My reaction to Phase IV is "over my dead body!". That used to be an un-eJ informed opinion, but as part of the DECUServe migration test, I installedI VMS V7.2 and DECnet-Plus on an AS2100. I selected the default options foriD the DECnet-Plus install. I then installed Notes on that same system.  K   While it was possible to access a remote DECnet Notes conference, inbound-J Notes access to the AS2100 caused DECnet to fail (the first access attemptL would give a connection reject, and accesses after that got "dead air" until the system was rebooted).   K   This happened a week or two before the Providence '99 DECUS Symposium. AtdI the Symposium, we had the Compaq DECnet-Plus engineers as well as a bunch I of very knowledgable DECUS members look at it, and nobody could figure it J out. Finally one of the Compaq folks deleted the configuration and re-con-H figured it. That caused different errors. While I was away at a session,I somebody fixed it, but nobody knows what it was (it was a case of "fiddlei with it until it gets better").a  J   Needless to say, the new production DECUServe system will be using PhaseG IV - all the folks who were saying "use Phase V" have been suitably un-e impressed by this fiasco.p  L   For the original poster - if you're a MultiNet shop, you should be able toL use Phase/IV (originally called DECnot) to encapsulate DECnet over Phase IV.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAe   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 13 Apr 00 09:27:01 +200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) 4 Subject: RE: Highest OpenVMS version supporting VWS?, Message-ID: <8d3ss7$2tgu$1@kiosk.rzg.mpg.de>  2 In Article <B51A8AC7.22E5%bnilsson@fy.chalmers.se>/ Bengt Nilsson <bnilsson@fy.chalmers.se> writes: 	 >Friends,-K >I have a vmscluster with one VAXstation 3100 running VMS 5.5-2 and VWS 4.5-I >graphics, one DEC3000/700 v6.2 with no local graphics, and one PWS 433aui >v7.1-2. .. >My question is:E >What is the latest version of OpenVMS that support VWS graphics on a0 >VAXstation 3100? ; >What OpenVMS version should i choose to minimise problems?s  G I can't say it definitely for a 3100, but we have VWS working on a 320oC with  VMS 7.2 .s --  / Joseph "Sepp" Huber,MPI Physik,Muenchen,Germany 9 huber@mppmu.mpg.de  URL http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~hubere   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:42:56 +0200-- From: Bengt Nilsson <bnilsson@fy.chalmers.se>14 Subject: Re: Highest OpenVMS version supporting VWS?3 Message-ID: <B51BD3BF.3653%bnilsson@fy.chalmers.se>e   Thanks, that sounds promising.  L Tell me, what is your upgrade history? I assume if I try to go directly from# 5.5-2 to 7.2, I will have problems.    --  
 Bengt Nilsson  Swedish Nanometer Laboratory! Chalmers University of Technologya  ) > From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)t# > Organization: MPI Physik,Muenchen  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsp$ > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 00 09:27:01 +2006 > Subject: RE: Highest OpenVMS version supporting VWS? > 4 > In Article <B51A8AC7.22E5%bnilsson@fy.chalmers.se>1 > Bengt Nilsson <bnilsson@fy.chalmers.se> writes:r >> Friends,eM >> I have a vmscluster with one VAXstation 3100 running VMS 5.5-2 and VWS 4.5HK >> graphics, one DEC3000/700 v6.2 with no local graphics, and one PWS 433au 
 >> v7.1-2. > .. >> My question is:G >> What is the latest version of OpenVMS that support VWS graphics on a- >> VAXstation 3100?e= >> What OpenVMS version should i choose to minimise problems?t > I > I can't say it definitely for a 3100, but we have VWS working on a 320o  > with  VMS 7.2 .M > -- o1 > Joseph "Sepp" Huber,MPI Physik,Muenchen,Germanyr; > huber@mppmu.mpg.de  URL http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:15:19 GMTh* From: cajunmikemike@netscape.net (Mike M.)7 Subject: Re: How to conntect from win2000 to PathWorks?s0 Message-ID: <38f5e39d.1825334@enews.newsguy.com>  C I had to delay applying the patch until this week.  But yes, we arev: now able to connect to our Pathworks server from Win2000.   B On 2 Apr 2000 03:02:31 +0200, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote: >N >And now, did they help ?  >  >-- = >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651p< >Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888= >FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net G ><<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANDI >A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"aO >"VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998.  _ >In article <38e3914f.64621260@enews.newsguy.com>, cajunmikemike@netscape.net (Mike M.) writes:yF >>Thank you .  I've talked with the CSC, here, and have downloaded the0 >>patch, which consists of the following images: >> >>PWRK$LMAPISHR.EXEi >>PWRK$LMSRV.EXE >>. >>I'll put the images in place tomorrow night.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:01:43 +0100s4 From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett.@unnecessary.csc.com>7 Subject: How to identify if a patch has been installed.n3 Message-ID: <38F5E157.FE5F2CA8@unnecessary.csc.com>o   All,  : We know for sure that one of our Alpha systems has had theH PTHREADS-V0300 patch applied back in November last year ($ lib/list/textA sys$library:sys$starlet_c.tlb /full shows when certain items werei replaced/inserted).)  H In sys$help, though, there are release notes for V0100 of the said patch which no-one can remember.  ? The person who installed the V0300 patch was not aware that the-H PTHREADS_DB patch was necessary because of the V0100 installation and so8 this was not applied before the V0300 patch was applied.  > Doing a PROD SHOW PROD doesn't show the details of any threadsD installations even though the kits used are PCSI kits, there doesn't. appear to be anything of relevance in the fileF SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY and there are no extra PCSI type files in sys$sysdevice:[vms$common]..   Is there any way of;  G a)    confirming that both of the PTHREADS-V0100 and V0300 patches weret	 installedhB b)    making the PROD utility aware that these have been installedG c)    retrospectively installing the PTHREADS_DB patch (even though thet release notes say no!)   Details:'     system        -    AlphaServer ES40n     VMS          -    7.1-2n   Others:,7     $ anal/image/head/inter sys$library:pthread$rtl.exes  	     showso  >     image id = V3.15-255, build date = 26-Jul-1999, build id = X6C7-0040110002d  $ Any assistance would be appreciated.   Ade-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:55:06 +0100B* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>; Subject: Re: How to identify if a patch has been installed.s+ Message-ID: <8d4u5b$sug@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>n  A "Adrian Birkett" <abirkett.@unnecessary.csc.com> wrote in messagea- news:38F5E157.FE5F2CA8@unnecessary.csc.com...t  @ > Doing a PROD SHOW PROD doesn't show the details of any threadsF > installations even though the kits used are PCSI kits, there doesn't0 > appear to be anything of relevance in the file  > Patches aren't products. you need SHOW PROD/FULL or SHOW HIST.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:46:50 GMTo4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>! Subject: Maximum Password LengthszE Message-ID: <u5lJ4.13133$q67.403510@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   K What is the maximum user password length on VMS 7.2, and NT 4 Domain, and ay= Win 2000 Active Directory?  I need information for all three.-   Thanks,-
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:26:58 -0300u1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>8% Subject: RE: Maximum Password LengthswK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A6D5771@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>s  $ VMS is 32 characters, NT & W2K is 15   > ----------9 > From: 	Michael D. Ober[SMTP:mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam]h* > Sent: 	Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:46 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com$ > Subject: 	Maximum Password Lengths > K > What is the maximum user password length on VMS 7.2, and NT 4 Domain, ands > ah? > Win 2000 Active Directory?  I need information for all three.b > 	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober. >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential anduJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theypL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingn of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudauF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:18:32 +0200f= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>u% Subject: Re: Maximum Password Lengthsf) Message-ID: <38F5E548.BDC226DE@gtech.com>w   "Michael D. Ober" wrote:M > What is the maximum user password length on VMS 7.2, and NT 4 Domain, and ao? > Win 2000 Active Directory?  I need information for all three.o   VMS: 32    WNT/W2K: no idea   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:42:05 -0400d5 From: "Amiri Jones" <MyFirstName.MyLastName@pseg.com> % Subject: Re: Maximum Password Lengthse7 Message-ID: <uCWjU7Vp$GA.196@cppssbbsa02.microsoft.com>e  = Michael D. Ober <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote in messagee? news:u5lJ4.13133$q67.403510@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... K > What is the maximum user password length on VMS 7.2, and NT 4 Domain, ande ag? > Win 2000 Active Directory?  I need information for all three.h >nK     The only one I can say for sure is NT 4; maximum is 14 characters.  I'mi> not at my Win2K machine right now, and I've never used VMS....   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:27:07 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com% Subject: Re: Maximum Password Lengthss4 Message-ID: <C22568C0.005991F8.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  C For OpenVMS, Passwords can be from 0 to 32 characters in length andeC can include alphanumeric characters, dollar signs, and underscores.c        9 MyFirstName.MyLastName@pseg.com on 04/13/2000 11:42:05 AMa   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comt4 cc:    (bcc: Norm Raphael/Worcester/Neles-Jamesbury)& Subject:  Re: Maximum Password Lengths          > /Michael D. Ober <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote in message@ /news:u5lJ4.13133$q67.403510@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...L /> What is the maximum user password length on VMS 7.2, and NT 4 Domain, and /a@ /> Win 2000 Active Directory?  I need information for all three. />L /    The only one I can say for sure is NT 4; maximum is 14 characters.  I'm? /not at my Win2K machine right now, and I've never used VMS....:J That's sooooo sad.  If I were you I'd go spoil myself at once.  Of course,M you will become very unhappy if you have to go back to your Win2K machine....o   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:56:31 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>% Subject: Re: Maximum Password LengthsrJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004131850320.6895-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  5 On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:o  D +For OpenVMS, Passwords can be from 0 to 32 characters in length and  ;  If I am not wrong (correction welcome) the password can bee7 1 to 32 chars, and VMS user can have 0,1 or 2 password;a7 setting 0 char lenght is impossible *or* unsupported :) 5 (can't check, VMSes are off and I will go to home :|)e6  IMO the proper behaviour for "0 char password" may be3 "Username:", "Password:" and acceptance of <ENTER>.e:  No question "Password:" from system means "no password" !  D +can include alphanumeric characters, dollar signs, and underscores.    Isn't the "-" also allowed ? 5  AFAIR all characters allowed in filenames were ok...0    Regards - Gotfryd6 PS: Norm, minor please: insert answer after citates... --E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME'. $!                        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 In article@ <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A6D5771@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>,4   "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> wrote:& > VMS is 32 characters, NT & W2K is 15 >c  B You can also setup VMS accounts to have two passwords each of upto 32 characters.D This is usually used for dual control accounts - ie an account which5 can only be logged into by two people acting together $ ie each having one of the passwords.D However it can also be used with one person having to put in the two
 passwords.  C Note. On a number of Unix systems although you can set the password ; to a longer string the effective maximum password is only 8r* characters (later characters are ignored).    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     > > ----------; > > From: 	Michael D. Ober[SMTP:mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam]a, > > Sent: 	Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:46 AM > > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& > > Subject: 	Maximum Password Lengths > >wA > > What is the maximum user password length on VMS 7.2, and NT 4t Domain, andw > > avA > > Win 2000 Active Directory?  I need information for all three.i > >f > > Thanks,e > > Mike Ober. > >n >h    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:04:51 GMTb' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>w& Subject: Re: Netscape Fasttrack Server- Message-ID: <38F5A9D1.732F937D@theblakes.com>    Ryan Hammond wrote:o  H > I have been informed that I must remove Fasttrack server from my Alpha> > system running OpenVMS 7.2 in order to be compliant with newA > third-party software who has decided to only be compatible with!E > Netscape's Commerce Server in their latest release. Has anyone everoF > removed a web server app from their system?  Are there any things to > watch out for?  > Why did the vendor say that FastTrack had to be removed? Being> incompatible is one thing, but actually having to remove it???   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:53:09 GMTs2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)& Subject: Re: Netscape Fasttrack Server' Message-ID: <2000Apr13.075309.1@eisner>R    Ryan Hammond wrote:  eH > I have been informed that I must remove Fasttrack server from my Alpha> > system running OpenVMS 7.2 in order to be compliant with newA > third-party software who has decided to only be compatible with-E > Netscape's Commerce Server in their latest release. Has anyone ever - > removed a web server app from their system?p  B The ability to remove an application is guaranteed if installationD of the application is done with the newer PRODUCT INSTALL mechanism.A Very few applications that are installed with the older VMSINSTALiE mechanism have a clean method of removal, and those are all differentl1 from each other (or perhaps "both" different :-).d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:32:49 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk% Subject: Re: New VMS books coming out / Message-ID: <002568C0.003F6DEA.00@quegw01.btyp>T  > --0__=7iwK2puajwMsmeNMeXflT23so7rIlCDf4F8RRf7JyQORsuimtulhDxRr* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline=  K                                                                            p&        (Embedded image moved to file: > --0__=7iwK2puajwMsmeNMeXflT23so7rIlCDf4F8RRf7JyQORsuimtulhDxRr, Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline.+ Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printableh    ) =E2                                   =20 H                         pic13182.pcx) YELLOW                           =    =20H                                       PAGES(superscript: =E2)          =      =20H                                                                        =    =20          = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street PlazaD    H I would say that both these books must be updates of the existing texts= . IlH assume to take into account changes up to version 7 of VMS, as they hav= eaH been available for some time - the Lesley Rice book since 1994, Sethi s= ince 1995.n   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesn        < Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> on 12/04/2000 14:30:22    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)UH From:      Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>, 12 April 2000, 2:30 p= .m.l   Re: New VMS books coming out     =S  > --0__=7iwK2puajwMsmeNMeXflT23so7rIlCDf4F8RRf7JyQORsuimtulhDxRr* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inlineh    C I have had the Introduction to Open VMS by Lesley Ogilvie Rice bookdG ($39.95) on order with Amazon since 12/3/99 when it was stated that theiG book would be published in December. I haven't received any informationyG as to the status of the order. 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Very disappointing.  I registered my displeasure? > with BH (who prints Digital Press books now) but to no avail.s >y  I Lots of OpenVMS and Alpha book titles can be found at the following smallt list of sites:   http://www.bh.com/digitalpress/aH http://www.chapters.ca/affiliate/Home.asp?affid=102048 ("Chapters.ca" in Canada)e http://www.fatbrain.com/  
 Neil Rieck* Kitchener(New Berlin?)/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 6 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/alpha_diary.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:19:13 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>.% Subject: Re: New VMS books coming out ) Message-ID: <38F5E571.F1993E6B@gtech.com>v  L > I would say that both these books must be updates of the existing texts. IJ > assume to take into account changes up to version 7 of VMS, as they haveM > been available for some time - the Lesley Rice book since 1994, Sethi since  > 1995.g  $ But even updated versions are good !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:36:55 +1000e/ From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au>e" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Certification/ Message-ID: <IGfJ4.4560$5D.9705@ozemail.com.au>   ) <dieselfuel@my-deja.com> wrote in message # news:8d34o7$ra4$1@nnrp1.deja.com...iE > We're building a web site with OpenVMS System Management questions. D > Yes, we know (sadly) there is no 'official' OpenVMS System Manager@ > certification, but there certainly ought to be.  OpenVMS is an5 > Enterprise strength O/S with a proven track record.0 > < I thought everyone used http://www.jcameron.com/vms/quiz.htm Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2000 15:10:11 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Certification- Message-ID: <8d4o0j$70$1@info.service.rug.nl>m  = In article <IGfJ4.4560$5D.9705@ozemail.com.au>, "Phil Howell"t$ <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au> writes:   + > <dieselfuel@my-deja.com> wrote in messagee% > news:8d34o7$ra4$1@nnrp1.deja.com...iG > > We're building a web site with OpenVMS System Management questions.-F > > Yes, we know (sadly) there is no 'official' OpenVMS System ManagerB > > certification, but there certainly ought to be.  OpenVMS is an7 > > Enterprise strength O/S with a proven track record.e > >d> > I thought everyone used http://www.jcameron.com/vms/quiz.htm  I I just had a look here and at http://www.jcameron.com/vms/home.htm where d$ there is a lot of interesting stuff.  I Of course, everyone knows and loves Hunter's server, but there is also a :F lot of other stuff out there---the page above, the freeware CD, other H places---stuff like TeX and friends, LYNX etc which many of us use, the B OSU server and on and on.  Unfortunately, there is sometimes some H overlap.  Also, the mechanism for downloading stuff is different, as is  the way things are built.a  D Sure, it's fun, but it would be nice if there were a master archive H somewhere, run by some truly knowledgeable guru, where one could select C packages from a menu, then download them, then build them all.  It  G should automatically notice if you've already got the newest version.   I It could read an options file, where you say stuff like whether you want *F to build from source if necessary, what the name of the disk is where B third-party software is installed and so on.  Of course, HELP and H BOOKREADER libraries should also updated, and things should be kept off  the system disk.  G It IS fun building all the packages, but a bit more automation would belC nice as well.  Also, I think that I and many others who have rolled A their own stuff would be more willing to take the time to make itnD available, which includes writing HELP and BOOKREADER files etc, if F there were some central archive, where one could first make sure that + no-one else has already done this (better).1  ( Or has someone already implemented this?     Phillip Helbig     --M Kapteyn Instituut                    Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nlgM Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 4067gM Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100fM NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/-  M ******************************** formerly at ********************************   M this will still work for a while -----> Email ......... p.helbig@jb.man.ac.ukgM University of Manchester                Tel. ... +44 1477 571 321 (ext. 2635)kM Jodrell Bank Observatory                Fax ................ +44 1477 571 618dM Macclesfield                            Telex ................ 36149 JODREL GaM UK-Cheshire SK11 9DL                    Web ... http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/~pjh/a  H My opinions are not necessarily those of either of the above institutes.  N <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 13 Apr 00 09:33:14 +200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)j Subject: RE: Process Quotasg, Message-ID: <8d3t7r$2tgu$2@kiosk.rzg.mpg.de>  ( In Article <8d2l5b$i84$1@lure.pipex.net>, "Mike Wilde" <sounds@dial.pipex.com> writes:J >Does anyone know of a way of dynamically raising the process quotas for a >running process?e >e  ) $ set proc/priv=(world,altpri)          !o@ $ show system       ! -> note the process IDs of the process(es)% $ set process/id=nnnnnnnn/prio=wantedL  
 should do it.    -- l/ Joseph "Sepp" Huber,MPI Physik,Muenchen,Germanys9 huber@mppmu.mpg.de  URL http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huberl   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 13 Apr 00 11:25:19 +200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)D Subject: RE: Process Quotas , Message-ID: <8d43q2$1hii$1@kiosk.rzg.mpg.de>  + In Article <8d3t7r$2tgu$2@kiosk.rzg.mpg.de>I) huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes: ) >In Article <8d2l5b$i84$1@lure.pipex.net>.- >"Mike Wilde" <sounds@dial.pipex.com> writes:fK >>Does anyone know of a way of dynamically raising the process quotas for aa >>running process?* >$ set proc/priv=(world,altpri)          !A >$ show system       ! -> note the process IDs of the process(es)t& >$ set process/id=nnnnnnnn/prio=wanted >should do it. >r  A Ooops ! I should have read the questtion , this is for priority ,c
 forget it!   -- 3/ Joseph "Sepp" Huber,MPI Physik,Muenchen,GermanyF9 huber@mppmu.mpg.de  URL http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huberg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:32:12 -0300o1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>a Subject: RE: Process QuotaspK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A6D5756@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>m  4 > From: 	huber@mppmu.mpg.de[SMTP:huber@mppmu.mpg.de]+ > $ set proc/priv=(world,altpri)          !cB > $ show system       ! -> note the process IDs of the process(es)' > $ set process/id=nnnnnnnn/prio=wantedc >  > should do it.n >  > -- e1 > Joseph "Sepp" Huber,MPI Physik,Muenchen,Germanya; > huber@mppmu.mpg.de  URL http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huberd >  > K That's a process priority not a quota.  This will not help with running out=J of IO or AST quotas, in fact it will probably speed up the problem forcing* the job to crash sooner rather than later. - Darren    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and-J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theynL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingc of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudatF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:58:22 -0700 (PDT) ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: Reusing Tape for BackupF Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.1000413064953.6617X-100000@gunn.kednos.com>  J I tried to reuse a tape for the regular backup procedures, which normally " means inserting a tape and typeing
 REPLY/TO=n  M However when I do so it, it doesn't (understandably) like the label and tells @ me that it "was not mounted because its label did not match the @ one requested  specify option(QUIT, NEW tape or OVERWRITE tape)"  ) Option to what?  Certainly not the REPLY.    TIAd Tomt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:22:31 -0300t1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>r$ Subject: RE: Reusing Tape for BackupK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A6D5770@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>w   Tom,    	The backup is asking you if ...  6 QUIT - Do you want to quit this backup and not run it.L NEW - Do you want it to unload this tape so you can use another tape insteadL OVER - Do you want to overwrite the current tape label with the one required and continue with the backup.   H If you know that this is the tape that you want to use then just type in REPLY/TO=n  OVERWRITE    - Darren  K p.s.  You may also want to type HELP INITIALISE and get an understanding ofCI this command, you may wish to put it in the backup procedure prior to thee BACKUP command.i   > ----------( > From: 	Tom Linden[SMTP:tom@kednos.com]* > Sent: 	Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:58 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com# > Subject: 	Reusing Tape for Backup  >  > L > I tried to reuse a tape for the regular backup procedures, which normally $ > means inserting a tape and typeing > REPLY/TO=n > I > However when I do so it, it doesn't (understandably) like the label andr > tellsaB > me that it "was not mounted because its label did not match the B > one requested  specify option(QUIT, NEW tape or OVERWRITE tape)" > + > Option to what?  Certainly not the REPLY.o >  > TIAd > Tomy >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andbJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyhL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudasF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:34:47 -0400Q  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com$ Subject: Re: Reusing Tape for Backup4 Message-ID: <C22568C0.0054C800.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   Tom,9 You missunderstand - which is not your fault, by the way.m; You issue a REPLY/TO=n "option_text" and the "OVERWRITE" (IJE think that's what you want to do here) will be delivered to the mount-
 as an option.l        ( tom@kednos.com on 04/13/2000 09:58:22 AM   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc: ! Subject:  Reusing Tape for Backup           I I tried to reuse a tape for the regular backup procedures, which normally " means inserting a tape and typeing
 REPLY/TO=n  M However when I do so it, it doesn't (understandably) like the label and tells ? me that it "was not mounted because its label did not match thee@ one requested  specify option(QUIT, NEW tape or OVERWRITE tape)"  ) Option to what?  Certainly not the REPLY.a   TIA  Tomn   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT)-! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>e$ Subject: RE: Reusing Tape for BackupF Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.1000413083232.6617Z-100000@gunn.kednos.com>  J Thanks for the response.  Actually I figured it out shortly after the postH I had forgotten that the options are passed as part of the message-text.2 I was originally misled by the diagnostic message. TomM) On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Boyle, Darren wrote:a  ' > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:22:31 -0300h1 > From: Boyle, Darren <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>o > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & > Subject: RE: Reusing Tape for Backup >  > Tom, > " > 	The backup is asking you if ... > 8 > QUIT - Do you want to quit this backup and not run it.N > NEW - Do you want it to unload this tape so you can use another tape insteadN > OVER - Do you want to overwrite the current tape label with the one required > and continue with the backup., > J > If you know that this is the tape that you want to use then just type in > REPLY/TO=n  OVERWRITEe > 
 > - Darren > M > p.s.  You may also want to type HELP INITIALISE and get an understanding ofeK > this command, you may wish to put it in the backup procedure prior to then > BACKUP command.n >  > > ----------* > > From: 	Tom Linden[SMTP:tom@kednos.com], > > Sent: 	Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:58 AM > > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% > > Subject: 	Reusing Tape for Backupt > >  > > N > > I tried to reuse a tape for the regular backup procedures, which normally & > > means inserting a tape and typeing > > REPLY/TO=n > > K > > However when I do so it, it doesn't (understandably) like the label andA	 > > tellsAD > > me that it "was not mounted because its label did not match the D > > one requested  specify option(QUIT, NEW tape or OVERWRITE tape)" > > - > > Option to what?  Certainly not the REPLY.E > >  > > TIAD > > TomA > >  >  > H > **********************************************************************E > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and L > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.O > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyDN > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, D > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.K > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying/  > of this message is prohibited. >  > Bank of Bermuda/H > ********************************************************************** >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:32:52 +0100f# From: nic <no-spam@no.spam.allowed>89 Subject: RF35 or 36 ISE to front panel cable wanted in UKA/ Message-ID: <38F5E8A4.753FA65F@no.spam.allowed>f  D Bit off topic but it seems that 'legacy' cables have been dropped by Compaq.M  F I'm after a cable for the half height ISE disk drives (RF35/RF36 type)C and it's a part number 17-03428-01. (It is NOT the same as the RF318G drives, but may be the same as an RF312). Its for aesthetics, I'm usingw* FORCEUNI to fix the node number currently.  F Free if possible (it's for a home system) but I'll refund postage etc.F If there's any attached drives (RF35 or RF312 etc) I'll take those off your hands too!A  : Email to nic @ python . demon.co.uk, or nclews @ csc . com Based in the UK.   Thanks!A -- A Nic Clews CSC Computer SciencesE1 email : n c l e w s   a t   c s c   d o t   c o mg   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2000 03:18 -0400E From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m Subject: Re: RMS errorsE& Message-ID: <13APR200003180608@miasys>  b In article <38F53D61.B60BEEA0@nc.prestige.net>, Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net> writes...- >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.g' >--------------39844262B9DCD08AFBB9C658 + >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiI  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > E >After patching the CHECK byte, I was able to most of it to come back    	Cool!  . > (VBN 447472). There is still a severe error: > K >***  VBN 447472:  Key and/or data bytes do not fit in primary data record.A6 >Unrecoverable error encountered in structure of file.  C probably a similar cause as the check byte, a partial bucket write,RE but this time making a compress record run into random data, causing 1 rms to loose track.M  : >How do you  know what the CHECK BYTE is supposed to be.  + > In one copy of the file the check byte is2f > 25, in the corrupt one it was 27.  I know the check byte is in  the first long word in the VBN, from4 >where does it get the byte that it compares it too?  E The very last byte. Both are updated each time the bucket is updated. K Use ANA/RMS/INT pos/buck to read, of the 'zap' tool. (i'll include it here)   L >I was unable to determine why all the problems with VBN 239914 (85 errors).  J >***  VBN 238822:  Record at offset %X'1573' has a missing or illegal RRV.  ' Well, I'd probably switch to plan B ... H Look's like that bucket wants it NEXT FREE byte to be set to x1573  :-).F Actaully, the 'tail' of the previous record is proably brokn, and you H probably want to set the free byte one record before the reported place.   ;,K ; Simplistic tool to Read, Verify, Modify and Rewrite Indexed file buckets.. ;n9 ; Main use is to PATCH remote or very large indexed file.-. ; as it reads & writes only the blocks needed.  % ; Have fun, Hein van den Heuvel, 1985vK ; 1996: Add Next, Size, and X command. Default first bucket from XAB$L_DVB.E ;. cr=13B lf=10c 	.PSECT	help,noexe,nowrt help:	.ASCID	<cr><lf>-  % "	##   read VBN ##."<cr><lf><cr><lf>-u? "	X    followed by hexadecimal number to read VBN ##."<cr><lf>-aF "	S    followed by number to set bucket size = size to read."<cr><lf>-C "	D    to get into the debugger. Bucket pointed to by R2."<cr><lf>- A "	GO   While in the Debugger to get back to the prompt."<cr><lf>- 6 "	W    Write out the bucket (back at prompt)"<cr><lf>-? "	F    format data as bucket header for indexed file."<cr><lf>-95 "	<CR> reads next (or first) bucket."<cr><lf><cr><lf>i   	.PSECT	code,exe,nowrt 	.ENTRY	START, ^M<>i 	PUSHAL	FILENAME_SIZ 	PUSHAQ	FILENAME_PROMPTe 	PUSHAQ	FILENAME 	CALLS	#3, G^LIB$GET_FOREIGN; 	MOVB	FILENAME_SIZ, FAB+FAB$B_FNS	;Insert the filename sizeo& 	$OPEN	FAB=FAB				;Open the input file  	BLBC	R0, BYE				;See you later!) 	CMPB	FAB+FAB$B_ORG, #FAB$C_IDX	;Indexed?u	 	BNEQ	10$e' 	MOVAL	XAB, FAB+FAB$L_XAB		;Hook up Xabm  	$DISPLAY FAB=FAB			;Fill in Xab  	BLBC	R0, BYE				;See you later!. 	MOVL	XAB+XAB$L_DVB, NEXT_BUCKET	;Start bucket7 	MOVZBL	XAB+XAB$B_DBS, BUCKET_SIZE	;Pick up bucket size0  10$:	$CONNECT RAB=RAB			;Connect  	BLBS	R0, SET_SIZE			;Go for it!
 	MOVL	R0, R10i' DONE:	$CLOSE	FAB=FAB				;Close the filer 	BLBS	R10, BYE			;Last status.
 	MOVL	R10, R0e BYE:	RET  % SIZE:	INCL	VBN+4				;Skip S character 	 	DECW	VBNi 	PUSHAL	BUCKET_SIZE			;S 	PUSHAL	VBN				;INput again-0 	CALLS	#2, G^OTS$CVT_TU_L		;Convert from decimal 	BLBS	R0, SET_SIZE 	PUSHAQ	CONVERT_ERRORb 	BRW	GIVE_ERROR			 DONE1:	BRW	DONEV	 SET_SIZE: + 	ASHL	#9, BUCKET_SIZE, R0		;Multiply by 512 - 	MOVW	R0, RAB+RAB$W_USZ		;Set up size of read/
 MAIN_LOOP:& 	MOVL	RAB+RAB$L_STS, R10		;exit status. 	MOVL	#VBN_LEN, VBN			;Init len  in descriptor0 	MOVAL	VBN_BUF, VBN+4			;Init addr in descriptor- 	PUSHAQ	VBN				;Output LEN back in descriptorr 	PUSHAQ	VBN_PROMPT			;Prompt 	PUSHAQ	VBN				;Buffer# 	CALLS	#3, G^LIB$GET_INPUT		;Get it  	BLBC	R0, DONE1			;Done? 	TSTW	VBN				;Default command?	 	BNEQ	10$s	 	BRW	READ % 10$:	CMPB	#^A"9", VBN_BUF			;Numeric?y
 	BLSSU	20$ 	BRW	NUMBER				;1 20$:	BICB2	#32, VBN_BUF			;Upcase (the blunt way)s 	CMPB	#^A"S", VBN_BUF 	 	BNEQ	30$a	 	BRW	SIZE  30$:	CMPB	#^A"W", VBN_BUFu	 	BNEQ	40$i
 	BRW	WRITE 40$:	CMPB	#^A"E", VBN_BUFr	 	BNEQ	50$o	 	BRW	DONEo 50$:	CMPB	#^A"F", VBN_BUFc	 	BNEQ	60$  	BRW	FORMAT_INDEXEDu 60$:	CMPB	#^A"D", VBN_BUFb 	BEQL	DEBUG. 	CMPB	#^A"X", VBN_BUFc	 	BEQL	HEX  	PUSHAQ	HELP 	BRW	GIVE_ERRORt   DEBUG:	MOVAB	BUF, R2 	MOVZWL	RAB+RAB$W_RSZ, R3y 	MOVL	RAB+RAB$L_BKT, R4  	PUSHL	#SS$_DEBUGd 	CALLS	#1, g^LIB$SIGNAL, 	BRW	MAIN_LOOP   NUMBER:	PUSHAL	NEXT_BUCKET 	PUSHAL	VBN				;INput again 0 	CALLS	#2, G^OTS$CVT_TU_L		;Convert from decimal 	BLBS	R0, READ 	PUSHAQ	CONVERT_ERROR  	BRW	GIVE_ERROR			  $ HEX:	INCL	VBN+4				;Skip X character	 	DECW	VBNb 	PUSHAL	NEXT_BUCKETi 	PUSHAL	VBN				;INput againA, 	CALLS	#2, G^OTS$CVT_TZ_L		;Convert from hex 	BLBS	R0, READ 	PUSHAQ	CONVERT_ERRORi 	BRW	GIVE_ERROR			   WRITE:	$WRITE	RAB=RAB, 	BLBC	R0, OOPS 	BRW	MAIN_LOOP  . READ:	MOVL	NEXT_BUCKET, RAB+RAB$L_BKT	;set VBN" 	$READ	RAB=RAB				;Read the bucket 	BLBC	R0, OOPS 	BRW	FORMAT_OTHERd   OOPS:	CMPL	R0,#RMS$_EOFr	 	BEQL	20$e 	PUSHAL	RAB+RAB$L_STVi 	PUSHAL	RAB+RAB$L_STS  	PUSHAL	RAB+RAB$L_BKTu 	PUSHAL	IO_ERROR 	CALLS	#4, G^LIB$PUT_OUTPUTg 	BRW	MAIN_LOOP   20$:	PUSHAL	ENDOF_ERROR  	BRW	GIVE_ERROR.  
 FORMAT_OTHER:3 	ADDL2	BUCKET_SIZE, NEXT_BUCKET  	PUSHL	BUF+0				;15	data . 	PUSHL	BUF+4				;14	data 6 	PUSHL	BUF+8				;13	data   	PUSHL	BUF+12				;12	data  	PUSHL	BUF+16				;11	data  	PUSHL	BUF+20				;10	data  	PUSHL	BUF+24				;9	data * 	PUSHL	BUF+28				;8	data   	PUSHAL	BUF				;7o 	PUSHL	#40				;6 ascii bytes, 	MOVL	#FAO_OUTBUF_L, FAO_OUTBUF_D	;init size 	PUSHL	RAB+RAB$W_RSZ			;5e 	PUSHL	RAB+RAB$L_BKT			;4t 	PUSHAL	FAO_OUTBUF_D			;3r 	PUSHAL	FAO_OUTBUF_D			;2. 	PUSHAL	FAO_OTHER			;1 	CALLS	#15, G^SYS$FAO			 	PUSHAL	FAO_OUTBUF_D 	CALLS	#1, g^LIB$PUT_OUTPUT9  ) 	CMPB	FAB+FAB$B_ORG, #FAB$C_IDX	;Indexed?  	BEQL	FORMAT_INDEXED 	BRW	MAIN_LOOP   FORMAT_INDEXED:n 	MOVL	BUF+8,NEXT_BUCKETs 	PUSHL	BUF+13				;12	Flags 	PUSHL	BUF+12				;11	Level 	PUSHL	BUF+1				;10	Area 	PUSHL	BUF+6				;9	Last/next 	PUSHL	BUF+4				;8	InUse 	MOVZWL	RAB+RAB$W_USZ, R1, 	PUSHL	BUF+8				;7	Next vbnm  	PUSHL	BUF-1(R1)			;6	Checkb-end 	PUSHL	BUF+0				;5	Checkb-start " 	PUSHL	BUF+2				;4      Vbn Sample, 	MOVL	#FAO_OUTBUF_L, FAO_OUTBUF_D	;init size 	PUSHAL	FAO_OUTBUF_D			;3s 	PUSHAL	FAO_OUTBUF_D			;2D 	PUSHAL	FAO_INDEXED			;1 	CALLS	#12, G^SYS$FAO			 	PUSHAL	FAO_OUTBUF_D   GIVE_ERROR:s 	CALLS	#1, G^LIB$PUT_OUTPUTr 	BRW	MAIN_LOOP 	 	.PSECT	data,noexe,wrt BUF::	.BLKB	512*64B FAB:	$FAB	FAC = <BRO,GET,PUT>, - 		;Allow block I/O read AND write4 		FNA = FILENAME_BUF, -		;Address of filename string 		SHR = <UPI,PUT> ( RAB:	$RAB	FAB = FAB, -			;Associated FAB( 		ROP = <BIO>, -			;block I/O Processing 		UBF = BUF			;Input buffer  XAB:	$XABKEY  5 CONVERT_ERROR:	.ASCID	"Error converting block number":: IO_ERROR:	.ASCID	"Error reading VBN !XL, STS=!XL, STV=!XL"( ENDOF_ERROR:	.ASCID	"Beyond End Of File"0 FILENAME_PROMPT:.ASCID	"Please enter filename: " NEXT_BUCKET:	.LONG	1 BUCKET_SIZE:	.LONG	18 FILENAME:	.LONG	80,FILENAME_BUF	;input buffer descriptor3 FILENAME_SIZ:	.WORD	0		;Receives length of filenamee FILENAME_BUF:	.BLKB	80H VBN_PROMPT:	.ASCID	"(##, X##, S##, Debug, Format, Write, Exit) Option: " VBN_LEN = 20
 VBN:		.BLKL	2s VBN_BUF:	.BLKB	VBN_LEN@ FAO_INDEXED:	.ASCID	"Checks=/!XW/!XB/!XB/, Next=!XL, Use=!XW, "-' 			"Id=!XW, Area=!XB, Lvl=!XB, Flg=!XB" B FAO_OTHER:	.ASCID	"VBN=!XL, RSZ=!XW, Data: <!AF> !/ Dump: !8(9XL)" FAO_OUTBUF_L =	200  FAO_OUTBUF_A:	.BLKB	FAO_OUTBUF_L  FAO_OUTBUF_D:	.LONG	FAO_OUTBUF_L 		.ADDRESS FAO_OUTBUF_A- 	.END	START,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:41:03 -0700c$ From: Barry Treahy <treahy@mmaz.com>2 Subject: Running old layered products on newer VMS( Message-ID: <38F5F89F.57F5391F@mmaz.com>  E What is the furthest release of VMS that anyone has attempted to run:      DBMS 4.3-1
     TDMS 1.8A      CDD 5.0      RTO RDB 4.0A  > I know that these are qualified for VMS 5.5-2 and probably notC technically supported beyond that, but who has been adventurous andmH attempted it and what trials did you experience?  Did you get it running- on VMS 6?  VMS 7? or did it blow up and fail?w   TIA    Barry Treahy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:58:08 +0100f5 From: "Chris Casey" <Chris.Casey@HendersonNOSPAM.com>a7 Subject: Re: SAP benchmarks (was Re: ebay to drop Sun?)*) Message-ID: <8d3r4n$bg7$1@soap.pipex.net>y  / Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote in messagea& <002568BE.0055FBE3.00@quegw01.btyp>...B Or would you like me to compete with the litany of problems YellowK >Pages has had, and is having, with the Sun boxes being installed here, and @ >why the organisation is looking elsewhere for it's SAP hardware
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 >Steve Spiresi >VMS System Managero >BT/Yellow Pages     Yes please.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:05:36 +0100m- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>** Subject: Re: Scheduler & PSDC alternatives) Message-ID: <38F5C620.1554CABB@bbc.co.uk>0  L > > So what am I after?   Has anybody been in a similar situation and had toL > > replace Scheduler, PSDC and PSPA.  If so, what did you use?   How did itH > > compare?  What's the support like - in particular could they provide   >a  F I loved PSDC and PSPA when I had DECCampus and before they went to CA.: I tried BMC Patrol but they dropped VMS support I believe.  ) I now rely on that trusty friend MONITOR.e   Oh wella    -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. 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Of course, Viewpoint requires you = to* have an NT box for viewing and collecting.   www.datametrics.co.ukt www.xuis.com   Steve Spires VMS System Manager" Yellow Pages (soon to be Yell plc)        > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> on 13/04/2000 13:05:36    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)rH From:      Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>, 13 April 2000, 1:05=              p.m.t  ! Re: Scheduler & PSDC alternatives      =s  > --0__=LWxWrFBpLW6vpq6F8cuYVVKJ56H8R30JYeqsQTIiWLkVBhOj3P3pfII0* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline,            I > > So what am I after?   Has anybody been in a similar situation and hadm toI > > replace Scheduler, PSDC and PSPA.  If so, what did you use?   How did  itH > > compare?  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The quotesI are identical in every way, except one box is configured with VMS and thetG other is configured with Tru64Unix. The VMS system is list priced aboutcL $100,000 higher than the Tru64Unix box WITH EXACTLY the same hardware; about a 14% upcharge overall.o  K Even the hardware installation and warranty uplift to 24x7 is higher on theo VMS box, by about $2500!  L This is just absurd. We really need to see price parity at least between VMSD and Unix on the same hardware. It makes it pretty clear EXACTLY what$ Compaq's intentions are towards VMS.   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1k   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2000 17:28:31 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?. Message-ID: <8d503v$30f$1@info.service.rug.nl>  F In article <2000Apr13.122515.1@eisner>, kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow) writes:   N > I was just handed two quotes for a large production Alpha server. The quotesK > are identical in every way, except one box is configured with VMS and theiI > other is configured with Tru64Unix. The VMS system is list priced aboutRN > $100,000 higher than the Tru64Unix box WITH EXACTLY the same hardware; about > a 14% upcharge overall.l  G Well, some folks would say that if you are spending almost a million on E a box, then you must be doing something worth spending that extra 14%w on!   N > This is just absurd. We really need to see price parity at least between VMSF > and Unix on the same hardware. It makes it pretty clear EXACTLY what& > Compaq's intentions are towards VMS.  E Unless one assumes that VMS is a) better and b) better things should  D cost more.  I don't think that an Audi A8 costs more than a VW Polo : since VW/Audi want people to migrate from A8 to Polo.  :-|  I Your argument assumes that people don't run VMS because it's expensive.  cE OK, it's a chicken-and-egg thing, and cheap, fast unix is what moved >E many people away from VMS (and usually away from DEC as well), but I fE think that most people today don't use VMS because it is not trendy;  G it's like admitting you listen to the Bay City Rollers when Puff Daddy  @ is in the charts!  Or perhaps applications.  Neither problem is @ addressed in anything but the long-term by decreasing the price.  H Maybe it's no accident that it's expensive and it's good, as Compaq can ! afford to pay good VMS engineers.   A What about other unix?  Is Tru64 really that much better than theIG others?  If not, why not go with another unix?  THEN you could write toFH Compaq and say `I would have spent $800,000 on a Compaq product, runningH VMS, to be too expensive compared to $700,000 for a unix machine.  Thus,I I will go with unix.  But having made that step, I see {IBM|SUN|HP|SGI}   H offers me a box for $600,000, so I'm going with that', which would make G it clear that Compaq is losing A LOT of money if there are more people  I like you (also considering that presumably future purchases will be from CH the competition as well).  Unless, of course, the extra money they make I on folks who buy VMS even if it is more expensive more than makes up for 	 it.P   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:01:51 +0200l5 From: "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de>_3 Subject: RE: Spin down hard disk on idle VMS systemK. Message-ID: <E12fgRb-0008Hh-00@gwdu42.gwdg.de>  : Markus Ruggiero <markus@RUGGIERO.CH> writes (a while ago):> >[...] Most of the time this box is just idling. Is there someF > software around that allows the OS to spin down the hard disks after  > some time of inactivity? [...]  = I've played with the C program below, mostly on VAX (V5.5-2),L< and found that VMS wouldn't object to finding a MOUNTed disk? spun down (instead it would ask for spin-up and *not* increment_> the error count). It's not pretty (it's sort of excerpts from : an old version of CDWRITE), though it might well serve as  a starting point.Z  N Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 2011516 or -510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.deN GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |     Disclaimer: No claim intended!N http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ----- <w.moeller@ieee.org>  M $! ................... Cut between dotted lines and save. ...................SM $!........................................................................... ? $! VAX/VMS archive file created by VMS_SHARE V06.10 7-FEB-1989.u $!F $! VMS_SHARE was written by James Gray (Gray:OSBUSouth@Xerox.COM) from= $! VMS_SHAR by Michael Bednarek (U3369429@ucsvc.dn.mu.oz.au).	 $!B $! To unpack, simply save, concatinate all parts into one file and $! execute (@) that file.S $!+ $! This archive was created by user MOELLERS $! on 13-APR-2000 11:52:09.93. $!$ $! It contains the following 1 file: $!        SCSI-STOP.C  $!N $!============================================================================( $ SET SYMBOL/SCOPE=( NOLOCAL, NOGLOBAL )! $ VERSION = F$GETSYI( "VERSION" ) 0 $ if f$getsyi("cpu").gt.127 then goto version_ok- $ IF VERSION .GES "V4.4" THEN GOTO VERSION_OK#8 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "You are running VMS ''VERSION'; ", ->     "VMS_SHARE V06.10 7-FEB-1989 requires VMS V4.4 or higher." $ EXIT 44 ! SS$_ABORTF $VERSION_OK: $ GOTO START $!
 $UNPACK_FILE:P( $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Creating ''FILE_IS'"! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT NL:tC $ EDIT/TPU/COMMAND=SYS$INPUT/NODISPLAY/OUTPUT='FILE_IS'/NOSECTION -F     VMS_SHARE_DUMMY.DUMMYUJ b_part := CREATE_BUFFER( "{Part}", GET_INFO( COMMAND_LINE, "file_name" ) )J ; s_file_spec := GET_INFO( COMMAND_LINE, "output_file" ); SET( OUTPUT_FILEK , b_part, s_file_spec ); b_errors := CREATE_BUFFER( "{Errors}" ); i_errors #H := 0; pat_beg_1 := ANCHOR & "-+-+-+ Beginning"; pat_beg_2 := LINE_BEGIN D & "+-+-+-+ Beginning"; pat_end := ANCHOR & "+-+-+-+-+ End"; POSITIOND ( BEGINNING_OF( b_part ) ); LOOP EXITIF SEARCH( SPAN( ' ' )@r_trail H & LINE_END, FORWARD) = 0; POSITION( r_trail ); ERASE( r_trail ); ENDLOOPJ ; POSITION( BEGINNING_OF( b_part ) ); i_append_line := 0; LOOP EXITIF MARK8 ( NONE ) = END_OF( b_part ); s_x := ERASE_CHARACTER( 1 )M ; IF s_x = '+' THEN r_skip := SEARCH( pat_beg_1, FORWARD, EXACT ); IF r_skip MJ <> 0 THEN s_x := ''; MOVE_HORIZONTAL( -CURRENT_OFFSET ); ERASE_LINE; ENDIFF ; ENDIF; IF s_x = '-' THEN r_skip := SEARCH( pat_end, FORWARD, EXACT )L ; IF r_skip <> 0 THEN s_x := ''; MOVE_HORIZONTAL( -CURRENT_OFFSET ); m_skip J := MARK( NONE ); r_skip := SEARCH( pat_beg_2, FORWARD, EXACT ); IF r_skip J <> 0 THEN POSITION( END_OF( r_skip ) ); MOVE_HORIZONTAL( -CURRENT_OFFSET )M ; MOVE_VERTICAL( 1 ); MOVE_HORIZONTAL( -1 ); ELSE POSITION( END_OF( b_part ) iK ); ENDIF; ERASE( CREATE_RANGE( m_skip, MARK( NONE ), NONE ) ); ENDIF; ENDIFeE ; IF s_x = 'V' THEN s_x := ''; IF i_append_line <> 0 THEN APPEND_LINEr? ; MOVE_HORIZONTAL( -CURRENT_OFFSET ); ENDIF; i_append_line := 1NK ; MOVE_VERTICAL( 1 ); ENDIF; IF s_x = 'X' THEN s_x := ''; IF i_append_line f@ <> 0 THEN APPEND_LINE; MOVE_HORIZONTAL( -CURRENT_OFFSET ); ENDIFL ; i_append_line := 0; MOVE_VERTICAL( 1 ); ENDIF; IF s_x <> '' THEN i_errors H := i_errors + 1; s_text := CURRENT_LINE; POSITION( b_errors ); COPY_TEXTD ( "The following line could not be unpacked properly:" ); SPLIT_LINEJ ; COPY_TEXT( s_x ); COPY_TEXT( s_text ); POSITION( b_part ); MOVE_VERTICALM ( 1 ); ENDIF; ENDLOOP; POSITION( BEGINNING_OF( b_part ) ); LOOP r_x := SEARCHIM ( "`", FORWARD, EXACT ); EXITIF r_x = 0; POSITION( r_x ); ERASE_CHARACTER( 1 B= ); COPY_TEXT( ASCII( INT( ERASE_CHARACTER( 3 ) ) ) ); ENDLOOPAC ; IF i_errors = 0 THEN SET( NO_WRITE, b_errors, ON ); ELSE POSITION , ( BEGINNING_OF( b_errors ) ); COPY_TEXT( FAOH ( "The following !UL errors were detected while unpacking !AS", i_errorsJ , s_file_spec ) ); SPLIT_LINE; SET( OUTPUT_FILE, b_errors, "SYS$COMMAND" ) ; ENDIF; EXIT; h  $ DELETE VMS_SHARE_DUMMY.DUMMY;* $ CHECKSUM 'FILE_ISD" $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT " CHECKSUM ", -J   F$ELEMENT( CHECKSUM_IS .EQ. CHECKSUM$CHECKSUM, ",", "failed!!,passed." ) $ RETURN $! $START:  $ FILE_IS = "SCSI-STOP.C"e $ CHECKSUM_IS = 1864267845& $ COPY SYS$INPUT VMS_SHARE_DUMMY.DUMMY X/*e" X * argument: disk to be spun down X * N V **************************************************************************** X**  X */ Xp X#include <stdio.h>f X#include <stdlib.h> X#include <string.h> X#include <ctype.h>: X: X#include <descrip.h>: X#include <iodef.h>  X#include <starlet.h>$ Xo Xp X/* macro definitions */ Xl0 X#define GK_EFN 0`009`009/* Event flag number */ X0@ X#define SCSI_DATA_LENGTH 0xFF`009/* Length of inquiry buffer */ Xf Xo X/* SCSI command opcodes */  X $ X#define TEST_UNIT_READY`009`0090x00  X#define REZERO_UNIT`009`0090x01  X#define READ_10`009`009`0090x28  X#define INQUIRY`009`009`0090x12 X#define START_STOP`009`0090x1ba% X#define ALLOW_MEDIUM_REMOVAL`0090x1ee" X#define READ_CAPACITY`009`0090x25 X  Xe& X/* Generic SCSI command descriptor */ Xi Xstruct SCSI$DESC `123D X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_OPCODE;`009`009/* SCSI Operation Code */B X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_FLAGS;`009`009/* SCSI Flags Bit Map */B X`009char *`009`009SCSI$A_CMD_ADDR;`009/* ->SCSI command buffer */L X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_CMD_LEN;`009`009/* SCSI command length, bytes */@ X`009char *`009`009SCSI$A_DATA_ADDR;`009/* ->SCSI data buffer */F X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_DATA_LEN;`009/* SCSI data length, bytes */H X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_PAD_LEN;`009`009/* SCSI pad length, bytes */M V`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_PH_CH_TMOUT;`009/* SCSI phase change timeout, sect X */N V`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_DISCON_TMOUT;`009/* SCSI disconnect timeout, sec * X/8 X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_RES_1;`009`009/* Reserved */8 X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_RES_2;`009`009/* Reserved */8 X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_RES_3;`009`009/* Reserved */8 X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_RES_4;`009`009/* Reserved */8 X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_RES_5;`009`009/* Reserved */8 X`009unsigned int`009SCSI$L_RES_6;`009`009/* Reserved */ X`125; XW% X/* SCSI Input/Output Status Block */V Xj X#ifdef __ALPHA- X#pragma member_alignment save X#pragma nomember_alignmentn X#endif  X  Xstruct SCSI$IOSB `123A X`009unsigned short int SCSI$W_VMS_STAT;`009/* VMS status code */eL X`009unsigned long int  SCSI$L_IOSB_TFR_CNT; /* Actual #bytes transferred */' X`009char`009`009   SCSI$B_IOSB_FILL_1;-E X`009unsigned char`009   SCSI$B_IOSB_STS;`009/* SCSI device status */- X`125; X  X#ifdef __ALPHA ! X#pragma member_alignment restore  X#endif  X  X 1 X/* SCSI status codes and flag field constants */  X0  X#define SCSI$K_GOOD_STATUS`0090E X#define SCSI$K_WRITE`009`0090X0`009/* direction of transfer=write */ C X#define SCSI$K_READ`009`0090X1`009/* direction of transfer=read */ > X#define SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_DIS`0090X2`009/* enable disconnects */8 X#define SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_SYNC`0090X4`009/* enable sync */ Xe X/* end of SCSI definitions */ Xl X/* data declarations */ Xr Xstatic char X`009scsi_status,  X`009scsi_command_6[6],`032d X`009scsi_command_10[10],r! X`009scsi_data[SCSI_DATA_LENGTH];p Xs Xstatic unsigned short int X`009gk_chan,`032Y X`009transfer_length;l Xl Xstatic inte X`009i,`032k X`009status; X39 Xstatic struct dsc$descriptor_s gk_device_desc = `123`032c1 X`0090-0, DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_S, 0-0 `125;l X<" Xstatic struct SCSI$IOSB gk_iosb ; X,! Xstatic struct SCSI$DESC gk_desc;c Xu X/*****/ Xt Xa Xlong lib$wait();- Xvoid lib$stop();F XY X/*****/ Xe Xvoid scsiprbytes(s, cp, n)n X`009`009char`009*s;# X`009register unsigned char`009*cp;i X`009register int`009n;o X`123m X`009printf(s);n X`009while (--n >= 0) " X`009`009printf(" %02.2X", *cp++); X`009printf("\n"); X`125I Xo Xh Xvoid inquire(void) `123 Xt! X`009scsi_command_6[0] = INQUIRY;l X`009scsi_command_6[1] = 0;y X`009scsi_command_6[2] = 0;C X`009scsi_command_6[3] = 0;s* X`009scsi_command_6[4] = SCSI_DATA_LENGTH; X`009scsi_command_6[5] = 0;p X 4 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_FLAGS = SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_SYNC `124! X`009`009`009`009SCSI$K_READ `124y@ X`009`009`009`009SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_DIS;`009/* SCSI Flags Bit Map */N V`009gk_desc.SCSI$A_CMD_ADDR = &scsi_command_6[0];`009/* ->SCSI command buffer X */H X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_CMD_LEN = 6;`009`009/* SCSI command length, bytes */J X`009gk_desc.SCSI$A_DATA_ADDR = &scsi_data[0];`009/* ->SCSI data buffer */N V`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_DATA_LEN = SCSI_DATA_LENGTH;`009/* SCSI data length, bytes X */N V`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_PH_CH_TMOUT = 0xff;`009/* SCSI phase change timeout, sec * X/N X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_DISCON_TMOUT = 0xff;`009/* SCSI disconnect timeout, sec */ XA XAM X/* Issue the QIO to send the inquiry command and receive the inquiry data */  XAK X`009status = sys$qiow ( GK_EFN, gk_chan, IO$_DIAGNOSE, &gk_iosb, 0, 0,`032A4 X`009`009`009&gk_desc, sizeof(gk_desc), 0, 0, 0, 0); Xf) X`009if (!(status & 1)) lib$stop(status);L X7( X`009if (!(gk_iosb.SCSI$W_VMS_STAT & 1))+ X`009`009lib$stop(gk_iosb.SCSI$W_VMS_STAT);M XQ( X/* Yes, was SCSI Status OK from QIO? */ X8< X`009if (gk_iosb.SCSI$B_IOSB_STS != SCSI$K_GOOD_STATUS) `1236 X`009`009printf ("Bad SCSI status returned: %02.2x\n",& X`009`009`009gk_iosb.SCSI$B_IOSB_STS); X`009`009abort();D	 X`009`125I XAL X/* The command succeeded. Display the SCSI data returned from the target */ X73 X`009transfer_length = gk_iosb.SCSI$L_IOSB_TFR_CNT;H? X`009printf ("SCSI inquiry data returned %u bytes of data: \n",D X`009`009transfer_length); XBC X`009for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf(" %02.2X",scsi_data[i] & 0xFF);A X`009printf("\n");/ X`009for (i = 8; i < transfer_length; i++) `123D$ X`009`009if (isprint (scsi_data[i]))) X`009`009`009printf ("%c", scsi_data[i]);B
 X`009`009elseE X`009`009`009printf (".");	 X`009`125f X`009printf ("\n");7 X`125B XA XD  Xvoid test_unit_ready(void) `123) X`009scsi_command_6[0] = TEST_UNIT_READY;E X`009scsi_command_6[1] = 0;F X`009scsi_command_6[2] = 0;M X`009scsi_command_6[3] = 0;/ X`009scsi_command_6[4] = 0;A X`009scsi_command_6[5] = 0;f X84 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_FLAGS = SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_SYNC `124! X`009`009`009`009SCSI$K_READ `124Q@ X`009`009`009`009SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_DIS;`009/* SCSI Flags Bit Map */N V`009gk_desc.SCSI$A_CMD_ADDR = &scsi_command_6[0];`009/* ->SCSI command buffer X */H X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_CMD_LEN = 6;`009`009/* SCSI command length, bytes */J X`009gk_desc.SCSI$A_DATA_ADDR = &scsi_data[0];`009/* ->SCSI data buffer */F X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_DATA_LEN = 0;`009`009/* SCSI data length, bytes */N V`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_PH_CH_TMOUT = 0xff;`009/* SCSI phase change timeout, sec * X/N X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_DISCON_TMOUT = 0xff;`009/* SCSI disconnect timeout, sec */ XE XE X`009do `123; X`009`009status = sys$qiow ( GK_EFN, gk_chan, IO$_DIAGNOSE,g$ X`009`009`009`009&gk_iosb, 0, 0,`0328 X`009`009`009`009&gk_desc, sizeof(gk_desc), 0, 0, 0, 0); Xg/ X/* Check the various returned status values */I XI. X`009`009if (!(status & 1)) lib$stop (status); Xg, X`009`009if (!(gk_iosb.SCSI$W_VMS_STAT & 1))0 X`009`009`009lib$stop (gk_iosb.SCSI$W_VMS_STAT); XM/ X`009`125 while (gk_iosb.SCSI$B_IOSB_STS != 0);M X`125M XM XM Xvoid start_unit(int load) `123M XM$ X`009scsi_command_6[0] = START_STOP; X`009scsi_command_6[1] = 1;- X`009scsi_command_6[2] = 0;6 X`009scsi_command_6[3] = 0;00 X`009scsi_command_6[4] = 1 `124 ((!!load) << 1); X`009scsi_command_6[5] = 0;r X 4 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_FLAGS = SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_SYNC `124! X`009`009`009`009SCSI$K_READ `124n@ X`009`009`009`009SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_DIS;`009/* SCSI Flags Bit Map */N V`009gk_desc.SCSI$A_CMD_ADDR = &scsi_command_6[0];`009/* ->SCSI command buffer X */H X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_CMD_LEN = 6;`009`009/* SCSI command length, bytes */J X`009gk_desc.SCSI$A_DATA_ADDR = &scsi_data[0];`009/* ->SCSI data buffer */F X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_DATA_LEN = 0;`009`009/* SCSI data length, bytes */N V`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_PH_CH_TMOUT = 0xff;`009/* SCSI phase change timeout, sec * X/N X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_DISCON_TMOUT = 0xff;`009/* SCSI disconnect timeout, sec */ Xo XcK X`009status = sys$qiow ( GK_EFN, gk_chan, IO$_DIAGNOSE, &gk_iosb, 0, 0,`032i4 X`009`009`009&gk_desc, sizeof(gk_desc), 0, 0, 0, 0); Xi* X`009if (!(status & 1)) lib$stop (status); X ( X`009if (!(gk_iosb.SCSI$W_VMS_STAT & 1)), X`009`009lib$stop (gk_iosb.SCSI$W_VMS_STAT); X & X`009status = gk_iosb.SCSI$B_IOSB_STS; X`125u Xc Xvoid stop_unit(int eject) `123s$ X`009scsi_command_6[0] = START_STOP; X`009scsi_command_6[1] = 1;s X`009scsi_command_6[2] = 0;  X`009scsi_command_6[3] = 0;i( X`009scsi_command_6[4] = (!!eject) << 1; X`009scsi_command_6[5] = 0;  Xc4 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_FLAGS = SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_SYNC `124! X`009`009`009`009SCSI$K_READ `124T@ X`009`009`009`009SCSI$K_FL_ENAB_DIS;`009/* SCSI Flags Bit Map */N V`009gk_desc.SCSI$A_CMD_ADDR = &scsi_command_6[0];`009/* ->SCSI command buffer X */H X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_CMD_LEN = 6;`009`009/* SCSI command length, bytes */J X`009gk_desc.SCSI$A_DATA_ADDR = &scsi_data[0];`009/* ->SCSI data buffer */F X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_DATA_LEN = 0;`009`009/* SCSI data length, bytes */N V`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_PH_CH_TMOUT = 0xff;`009/* SCSI phase change timeout, sec * X/N X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_DISCON_TMOUT = 0xff;`009/* SCSI disconnect timeout, sec */ Xg XtK X`009status = sys$qiow ( GK_EFN, gk_chan, IO$_DIAGNOSE, &gk_iosb, 0, 0,`03284 X`009`009`009&gk_desc, sizeof(gk_desc), 0, 0, 0, 0); X./ X/* Check the various returned status values */  Xl* X`009if (!(status & 1)) lib$stop (status); Xf( X`009if (!(gk_iosb.SCSI$W_VMS_STAT & 1)), X`009`009lib$stop (gk_iosb.SCSI$W_VMS_STAT); Xx& X`009status = gk_iosb.SCSI$B_IOSB_STS; X`125n Xu X/*****/ X4 Xx# Xmain (int argc, char **argv ) `123R X < X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_OPCODE = 1;`009/* SCSI Operation Code */@ X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_PAD_LEN = 0;`009/* SCSI pad length, bytes */0 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_RES_1 = 0;`009/* Reserved */0 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_RES_2 = 0;`009/* Reserved */0 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_RES_3 = 0;`009/* Reserved */0 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_RES_4 = 0;`009/* Reserved */0 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_RES_5 = 0;`009/* Reserved */0 X`009gk_desc.SCSI$L_RES_6 = 0;`009/* Reserved */ Xi X   X/* Assign the device channel */ Xs, X`009gk_device_desc.dsc$a_pointer = argv[1];3 X`009gk_device_desc.dsc$w_length = strlen(argv[1]);t X`032t< X`009status = sys$assign ( &gk_device_desc, &gk_chan, 0, 0); X`009if (!(status & 1)) `123> X`009`009printf ("Unable to assign channel to %s\n", argv[1]); X`009`009sys$exit (status);g	 X`009`125, Xs X/* do something */> Xa X`009inquire();o XM X`009start_unit(0);r X`009test_unit_ready();  Xn X`009stop_unit(0); X`125n $ GOSUB UNPACK_FILE  $ EXIT  N Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 2011516 or -510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.deN GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |     Disclaimer: No claim intended!N http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ----- <w.moeller@ieee.org>   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:00:40 +0000 (   )s3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>c$ Subject: Re: Sun question for AndrewJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10004131459040.14376-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  = On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:    > Scott Vieth wrote:L > > Is there a newsgroup similar to comp.os.vms where folks discuss Solaris?   > It is comp.unix.solaris_  I I'm not trying to slam solaris here... but does it strike anybody else as G funny that the solaris newsgroup doesn't have an ".os." anywhere in thek name?s   Regards,   Christ  O ===============================================================================A@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer$ Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % -------------------------------------nI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andeH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------n   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Apr 2000 16:18:33 GMT. From: Allan Hawdon <udaa460@axolotl.kcl.ac.uk>$ Subject: Re: Sun question for Andrew. Message-ID: <8d4s0p$b84$1@willow.cc.kcl.ac.uk>  4 Christopher Smith <chriss@mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote:? : On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:S   :> Scott Vieth wrote:aM :> > Is there a newsgroup similar to comp.os.vms where folks discuss Solaris?9   :> It is comp.unix.solaris  K : I'm not trying to slam solaris here... but does it strike anybody else as I : funny that the solaris newsgroup doesn't have an ".os." anywhere in the, : name?     E No funnier than any of the other unices really. cf comp.unix.osf.misc,= and comp.unix.osf.osf1 (soon to be comp.unix.tru64 I believe)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:26:08 +0100o- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>0$ Subject: Re: Sun question for Andrew) Message-ID: <38F5F520.CF32F72F@bbc.co.uk>0   Christopher Smith wrote:   >  > It is comp.unix.solaris >aK > I'm not trying to slam solaris here... but does it strike anybody else as`I > funny that the solaris newsgroup doesn't have an ".os." anywhere in the  > name?  >     Chris  C All the unix groups are comp.unix..., I guess you could argue about > whether or not there is an implicit (comp).os(.unix) in there.   RegardsS --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk`  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of` MedAS or the BBC.;   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:43:25 +0200 + From: Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com>s? Subject: Re: VAX-11/780, 785 microcode development tools wanted0' Message-ID: <38F5A4CD.9C85A959@dnv.com>`   >0 >s, > Eric Smith heeft geschreven in bericht ...B > >As the new owner of a VAX-11/785, I'd like to get a copy of theK > >software (and documentation) for developing microcode for the VAX-11/780`H > >(KE780 WCS option) and the VAX-11/785.  Unsurprisingly, DEC no longer > >sells this software.o >n  C I have some documentation for the VAX-11/780 microcode development: B   VAX-11/780 Microprogramming Tools User's Guide       AA-H306B-TEN   VAX 11/780 Data Path Description                                 AA-H307A-TE   but not the Software.     and the hardware is long gone.4 Are you Really going to write microcode for the VAX?K Please tell a little more about the progress of your project along the way.`: What version of VMS have you got running on your computer?< Think I may be able to locate some other early documentation" and maybe an early version of VMS.  	 Have fun,$
 Arne Bergseth=   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.207 ************************