1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 15 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 210       Contents:% Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI Question  Re: re:  Re: DE500 problem/docs  Re: DE500 problem/docs DECC 6.n BUG? /OPTIMIZE  Re: DECC 6.n BUG? /OPTIMIZE  DECUS opportunities ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! + RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? + Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? G How can you find the exact size of a file in bytes using a VMS command? K Re: How can you find the exact size of a file in bytes using a VMS command? J Re: How can you find the exact size of a file in bytes using a VMScommand? how test the network ?2 Re: How to identify if a patch has been installed.) Re: How to map PCI configuration register  Re: Ingres and Defragmentation Re: Ingres and Defragmentation Re: Manuals for DEC 3000-800 Re: Maximum Password Lengths Mozilla-bin and pthread problem : Re: MS behind price decreases? (Was: So who will buy VMS?) new patches ) Re: OPCOM 'new operator enabled' messages  Re: OpenVMS Certification  Re: Request for a Answer  Re: RMS flags to optimize the io- Re: Running old layered products on newer VMS ! RE: Scheduler & PSDC alternatives % Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert! % Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert! : SIGN UP TODAY AND SAVE!! Low Price Dental and Optical plan Re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: So who will buy VMS ? " Re: SPAWN, MAIL, lexical functions" Re: SPAWN, MAIL, lexical functions1 Re: Too Few Servers Detected from: Node LOCAL.... ) Re: VMS 7.2-1 Upgrade & large directories 8 Re: What are some reasons for different size executables8 Re: What are some reasons for different size executables8 Re: What are some reasons for different size executables  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:02:35 GMT . From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>. Subject: Re: Alpha 1000a to 1200 SCSI Question/ Message-ID: <38F75A4A.4C9E97EA@nc.prestige.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------E45B0591F6AC2B8BD2920675* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   V That is where a little knowledge of PATCH(VAX) and ZAP or other such utilitie come in.  - Been there, done that more than I would like.    Michael Austin DBA Consultant   Wayne Sewell wrote:   c > In article <B51B76EE-1D253@165.247.41.57>, "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> writes: O > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2000 12:20 AM, Martin Vorlaender <martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE> 
 > > wrote:7 > >>Robert Deininger (rdeininger@mindspring.com) wrote:  > >>: I remember this case: G > >>: 1. Application does explicit logical name translation on the tape G > >>: drive name, saving the result (say MUA1) in a 4-character string. ! > >>: 2. Source code gets "lost".  > >>: 3. SCSI is invented.J > >>: 4. I watch the poor schmuck who tried to make it work, when the onlyJ > >>: tape drive available was named MKA400.  There was no way to fix this! > >>: by defining a logical name.  > >> > >>Wouldn't > >>: > >>  $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC/TRANSLATION=CONCEAL MUA1 MKA400 > >>	 > >>help?  > > J > > No.  As I recall, the program forced its way though multiple levels ofD > > logical names, even if they were concealed.  It was a VERY smartJ > > program.  The author made a very LITTLE bit of VMS knowledge go a long > > way. > G > If it was truly a smart program, you wouldn't be having problems now.  >  > --Q > =============================================================================== M > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachyon.xxx 8 > http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlM > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) Q > =============================================================================== P > Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"  & --------------E45B0591F6AC2B8BD2920675- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="maustin.vcf"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit , Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael   tel;work:704-947-1089  x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc 
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 + email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.com  title:President  x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcard   ( --------------E45B0591F6AC2B8BD2920675--   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:02:54 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>( Subject: Re: re:  Re: DE500 problem/docs' Message-ID: <Ft0swu.92s@spcuna.spc.edu>   . Bob Kaplow <kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org> writes:L > IIRC, there were some problems with the -XA that necessitated upgrading toL > the -AA or -BA. I jsut can't remember what they were :-( There are patchesD > for V6.2 to support the newer DE500s. Start with ALPBOOT06_062 and > ALPLAN04_062, or better.  G   The -XA and the -AA are both 21140 parts. The -XA doesn't even try to D autonegotiate, while the -AA muddles along. The -BA is a 21143 part.  H   The Ethernet on the KZPCM-DA (2-channel SCSI plus Ethernet) is an -AA.  H   All of the single-Ethernet 2114x cards from Digipaq have been retired.H The DE504 is apparently still available. The replacement are 3X-DE600-??& parts, which are based on Intel chips.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:27:48 -0700 4 From: goodman_j <goodmanNOgoSPAM@accuwx.com.invalid> Subject: Re: DE500 problem/docs 9 Message-ID: <17f8ec0e.e0ef885e@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com>   < For the DE500-BA to work under VMS 6.2 you need *all* of the	 folowing:   ? 1.  Updated SRM console firmware, usually from the 5.3 firmware = update CD or later (since you see the device from the console  sounds like you're ok here).   2.  The ALPLAN05_062 patch  = 3.  The appropiate ALPCPUxxxx_062 patches based on the system  types.  . Below is from the ALPLAN05_062.CVLET_TXT file:  = If the DE500-BA Fast Ethernet adapter and/or the RACORE Token ? Ring adapter  is  to be supported, then the appropriate ALPCPU* ( routines remedial kit must be installed.  = Also if you need to support network booting with the DE500-BA < you are also suppose to install ALPBOOT13_062.  However that@ does not work for AlphaServer 4100s.  I got a special version of% APB.EXE from VMS support to fix that.   < In article <8cvn8d$2hb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mumfrd@my-deja.com wrote:= >I have a de500 thats giving me problems. Anyone know where I  can find >any DE500 docs on the web?  > = >If not maybe someone can help. We just bought a used AS4100,  but the $ >de500 won't connect to the network.> >The LINK light comes on at the de500 end, but not at the 3com network % >end. I've tried 2 cables, no change.  > ? >At the >>> level, a SHOW CONFIG shows the de500 OK, but when I  boot VMS$ >and run netconfig, it tells me that! >there are "no lines configured".  > * >This is OpenVMS 6.2-1h3, Decnet phase IV. >  >Anybody have any ideas? >  >Thanks in advance >  >robert.mumford@sea.siemens.com  >[End of file] >  > ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy. >  >     
 J. Goodman
 ----------: "Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."  ClarkeL * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:31:02 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>   Subject: DECC 6.n BUG? /OPTIMIZE. Message-ID: <38F75CDE.D282B81@wasd.vsm.com.au>  C /OPTIMIZE seems to BREAK SIMPLE INTEGER ARITHMETIC in the following  environment:  +   DEC 3000 Model 500 running OpenVMS V7.2-1 +   Compaq C V6.2-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1   > The included demonstration of the problem produces the resultsC following the code, vastly different with /OPT (and incorrect) than A /NOOPT (correct).  Essentially 1,100,000 divided by 1,000,000 can B produce a result of 0!!  It is not loop unrolling that seems to beC doing it either.  The same problem (and others seemingly) occurs in A "straight" sections of code (one of which originally caused me to A pursue this).  Upgrading from DECC 6.0 to 6.2 did not resolve the  issue.  @ Bringing an .EXE compiled using DECC 5.6 under VMS 7.1 onto thisC system produces correct results so it can't be the CRTL; points the F finger at 6.n.  Makes me a bit wary of using /OPT if it can break code in such a fundamental fashion.  E Apologies for the (linear) length of this post.  Any comments please.    TIA.  Mark Daniel.  ) -----------------------------------------  #include <stdio.h>   main() { )    unsigned long  Count, Whole, Fraction;   >    for (Count = 0; Count < (unsigned long)0xffffffff; Count++)    {       Whole = Count / 1000000;)       Fraction = (Count % 1000000) / 100;         if ((Count % 100000) == 0)@          fprintf (stdout, "%d %d %d\a\n", Count,Whole,Fraction);    } } ) -----------------------------------------   	 $ cc test  $ link test 
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 900000 0 9000  1000000 1 0  1100000 1 1000 1200000 1 2000 1300000 1 3000 1400000 1 4000 1500000 1 5000 1600000 1 6000 1700000 1 7000 1800000 1 8000 1900000 1 9000 2000000 2 0  2100000 2 1000 2200000 2 2000 2300000 2 3000 2400000 2 4000 2500000 2 5000 2600000 2 6000 2700000 2 7000 2800000 2 8000 2900000 2 9000 3000000 3 0  3100000 3 1000 3200000 3 2000  E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ D  Mark Daniel            Opinions my own ... and on loan from others.E  mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au) E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2000 16:09:39 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)$ Subject: Re: DECC 6.n BUG? /OPTIMIZE3 Message-ID: <0a2pxpgHDxAW@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   ` In article <38F75CDE.D282B81@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:E > /OPTIMIZE seems to BREAK SIMPLE INTEGER ARITHMETIC in the following  > environment: > - >   DEC 3000 Model 500 running OpenVMS V7.2-1 - >   Compaq C V6.2-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1   H         I tried to reproduce your  results  on an Alphaserver 4100 5/400H     under  VMS  7.2-1,  Compac  C V6.2-003.  I got  the  same  (correct)D     results with both with and without /NOOPT (or an explicit /OPT).  H         What ECOs  have  you  installed  on  your  system?   I installedH     essentially  all of the VMS721_xxx ECOs that were available  throughH     February or so...  My suspicion would be a DEC C RTL problem, but  I4     don't seem to have installed any ALPACRT ECOs...  H         OBTW,  my  SYS$LIBARARY:DECC$SHR.EXE  show  this  for  the image     identification:   (         Image Identification Information  &                 image name: "DECC$SHR"4                 image file identification: "X07.2-0"B                 image file build identification: "X6TF-0050120000"7                 link date/time: 28-MAY-1999 23:13:51.98 /                 linker identification: "A11-39"            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:48:29 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> Subject: DECUS opportunities% Message-ID: <38f790c4@news.toast.net>   $ http://www.mindspring.com/~lknepper/   --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc   > ==============================================================   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2000 14:52:57 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!3 Message-ID: <LErNE9BYlUx3@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   S In article <38F67D13.6E280361@mediaone.net>, Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net> writes: ; > "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:  >>  K >>         BTW, I made a _large_ effort  testing with Decnet-Plus and LANCP K >>     on  a DS10 (at VMS 7.2-1) prior to upgrading the rest of my  cluster K >>     from VMS 7.1-1H2 to 7.2-1 last December.  I had two primary  reasons K >>     for  doing  so.   First,  so  that I could run DECNET over two of my K >>     AS4100s' four network interfaces instead  of the single interface at . >>     a  time as restricted under Phase IV.   > J > This is a myth.  I spent some time with Tony in the CSC listening to himH > tell me that DECnet would only select the first functioning interface,@ > only to have me prove him wrong and clearly demonstrate a node2 > simultaneously using DECnet on FOUR interfaces.   H         I'd like you to explain to  me  how  you did that.  Our AS4100'sH     have  4 network devices each, two of which are configured for DECNETH     (Phase IV).  So in NCP, I have four LINEs defined (so I  can  gatherH     network  statistics on all four interfaces) and two CIRCUITs defined     and enabled.  H         However _all_ the  DECNET  _traffic_  goes  over only a _single_H     interface,  the  one  configured with the lowest  cost.   These  twoH     interfaces are connected to isolated networks (that is, there is  noH     DECNET  bridging  between  the networks).  When the two circuits areH     configured with the _same_  cost,  the  first, and lowest bandwidth,H     interface  takes  all the traffic. :-(  It turns out that we have  3H     VAXen on these pair of networks with full DECNET routing enabled, soH     one or another of the VAXen (determined by Router Priority) forwardsH     DECNET packets _for_ the Alphas from one network to the other.  LookH     at MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRC COUNTERS and check for non-zero  "TransitH     packets   received"  and  "Transit  packets  sent"  on  any  of  theH     circuits...this would be VAXen only,  or  the forwarding may be doneH     by a DECNET router on your networks.  On my Alphas, if I look at MCRH     NCP   SHOW  KNOWN  CIRCUIT  COUNTERS,  I  see  non-zero  counts  forH     "Terminating packets received" and  "Originating  packets  sent"  onH     only one of the two DECNET circuits.  The other shows zero for those     two counters.   H         Do your Alphas show non-zero packets  sent and received on _all_H     (or  even  just more than one) DECNET circuits you've  configured???0     If so, I'd sure like to know how you did it!           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2000 18:05:41 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!+ Message-ID: <B51D0E77-39BE5@165.247.43.233>c  J On Thu, Apr 13, 2000 10:16 PM, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  E >Tim raises a good point.  Just who's running the asylum?  I'd alwaysx thought K >that the networking people were providing a service, not dictating company  IT >policy.  J I used to think that as too.  Until they turned off DECnet in the routers.  D BTW, I haven't found DECnet plus to be that bad. Yes, the syntax is  horrible, but it seems to work.    ---------------------------  Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comz   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2000 15:01:01 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!3 Message-ID: <NswzT3mZjjYv@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>h  - In article <8d7csh$9q7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, a9     	mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:a [...]aN > It would be a big service to the VMS community if Compaq and Multinet could J > hammer out their differences and settle on "the" Decnet over tcp/ip. ...  H         Believe it or not, that was attempted  in the early 90's.  I satH     in  on  one meeting here at SLAC in which representatives from  bothH     TGV and  Digital,  and  from  ESnet  if  I'm  not  mistaken,  had  aH     discussion  about  defining  a  "standard"  for  DECNET  over IP.  IH     _think_  Multinet  had  already   defined,  and  possibly  released,H     Phase/IP,  while Digital had "defined" RFC 1006 (if that's the rightH     number) but had not yet released a product  based  upon  it.   ThereH     were  arguments  back  and  forth  as  to  which  was better, but noH     agreement.  And in  retrospect,  I  think  Digital was strongly intoH     their  NIH  mode.  :-(  This in the presence  of  highly  interested8     customers (SLAC in particular and ESnet in general)!  H         The idea that the networking folks  in VMS Engineering would nowH     go  back  and "fix" either DECNET IV or Decnet-Plus to  interoperateG     with Phase/IP after all these years seems extremely unlikely to me.r           -Ken -- iM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:02:26 -0400r) From: John Santos <jasantos@ultranet.com>T* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!= Message-ID: <MPG.1361b3bcc491146398976b@news.ma.ultranet.com>(  D In article <8d6tqa$vod$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, agreig@my-deja.com says.../ > In article <38F67F97.1DE4C65A@tsoft-inc.com>,t/ >   David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:sH > > Tim raises a good point.  Just who's running the asylum?  I'd always	 > thought.F > > that the networking people were providing a service, not dictating > company IT > > policy.> > C > Some companies have WAN management outsourced (as we do). Trouble @ > is the outsourced management speaks at too high a level to the? > customers management and these issues are decided without thee@ > right people being involved. Our worldwide network for exampleD > is outsourced to EDS but, give them their credit, they still route1 > DECNET IV to every site unless asked otherwise.  > E > As your typical CISCO will happily route DECNET Phase IV out of thelD > box there shouldn't be too much of an issue carrying it other than > a politcal one.=  E The issue, at least for one of my customers, was cost.  Their CISCO'seC did support DECnet-IV, but required an extra license that cost much C more (several times) the cost of the CISCO base license (that just  D supports routing IP), approach the cost of the hardware!  Eventually@ they just turned off DECnet routing so they wouldn't have to payD through the nose anymore.  Fortunately, we had plenty of warning and0 most of their systems were already running Ph V.  C DECnet V is painful to learn, the documentation and online help are=C abominable, and there are still many bugs, mis-features and bizarre:J inexplicable behaviours, but it has gotten easier to install and maintain J over the years.  I would go with it on any new system, but mostly for the  DECnet-over-IP.r  F (Warning: I've only used the local and domain name spaces.  I've neverH touched DNS - DEC DNS, I mean, not TCP/IP DNS which is a colliding TLA.)  H BTW, the IP support in DECnet V works totally different from the supportH in TCPWare.  I've never used Multinet, but I think it works the same way7 as TCPWare.  I don't think they are compatible, though.r  E TCPWare sets up a virtual circuit over IP to connect to DECnet nodes.wD DECnet runs its protocol stack over the virtual circuit.  This meansD you have to have DECnet routing licenses to connect to more than oneF remote IP host (because you need a DECnet-over-IP circuit to each), orD you need to have at least one DECnet routing node running TCPWare inE each disconnected DECnet network, which will do the DECnet routing toyE the other DECnet networks.  This would basically be a parallel set ofrE routers to your existing TCP/IP routers, I.e. a lot of duplication ofaI work and equipment.  (Of course, you would only need these DECnet routerseE in places where there were DECnet end nodes.  You could hop over many-9 TCP/IP routers to get there without any extra equipment.)K  D DECnet Phase V runs at the TCP/IP application level.  It can talk toD any other DECnet V node anywhere on your TCP/IP network, without anyD additional equipment or configuration, once you get it working.  AndG it doesn't need a routing license or a nearby DECnet router to do it.  fJ Also, it will still be able to talk to other nodes on the local ethernet, H or connected by traditional DECnet routers (including Phase IV nodes andI routers) with just an end-node license.  Adding new nodes is linear, and oI your TCP/IP network cops don't need to get involved, except to pass port  & 399 through any intervening firewalls.     > -- > Alan Greig >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.D >    -- t John Santosp   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:11:37 -0300p1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>n4 Subject: RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?K Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A6D578A@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>   0 To obtain file dates see HELP  DIRECTORY/DATE    - Darren   > ---------- > From: 	Guttenberg, Charlie3 > (MED)[SMTP:Charles.Guttenberg@amermsx.med.ge.com]d' > Sent: 	Friday, April 14, 2000 2:46 PMt > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3 > Subject: 	Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?  >  > Hi.  > I > I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in ac > directory.A > Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide a  > counterpart?E > I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck.O > Thanks in advanceO > for any help you may provide.n >  > Charlie Guttenberg >  > Charles.Guttenberg@med.ge.com  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andfJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theydL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying- of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaaF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:30:46 -0700E/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>n4 Subject: RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?M Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AED8E@seantexch.unitedad.com>n   Try Rename like    $ Rename x.foo;1 x.foo;1   Terry  > ---------- > From: 	Guttenberg, Charlie3 > (MED)[SMTP:Charles.Guttenberg@amermsx.med.ge.com]d' > Sent: 	Friday, April 14, 2000 2:46 PM! > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3 > Subject: 	Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?n >  > Hi.e > I > I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in a  > directory.A > Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide a. > counterpart?E > I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck.o > Thanks in advancea > for any help you may provide.g >  > Charlie Guttenberg >  > Charles.Guttenberg@med.ge.como >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and-J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying- of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudatF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:27:23 -04009% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>-4 Subject: Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?" Message-ID: <38f7633b@news.si.com>  H >I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in a >directory. @ >Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide a
 >counterpart? D >I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck. >Thanks in advance >for any help you may provide0   What about the procedure below?  --  B  Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comB  Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com>  3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent=  Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"09         This opinion doesn't represent that of my company     3 $!      TOUCH.COM - modify the "Last Modified" date  $!+ $!      Usage: @touch [/log] file[,file...]0L $!      where "file" is a valid VMS file specification (including wildcards, if desired)  $! $       verify = 'f$verify( 0 )2 $       set noon $! $ getp1:& $       if p1 .nes. "" then goto gotp1. $       read/prompt = "_File: " sys$command p1 $       goto getp1 $! $ gotp1:B $       if f$locate( "/", p1 ) .eq. f$length( p1 ) then goto getp2 $       p2 = p1- $       p1 = ""- $       goto getp1 $! $ getp2:+ $       if p2 .eqs. "" then goto docommands G $       if f$locate( "/", p2 ) .ne. f$length( p2 ) then goto docommandsi $       temp = p12 $       p1 = p23 $       p2 = tempD $!
 $ docommands:I $       p2 := 'p22 $       log = 0s8 $       if f$extract( 0, 2, p2 ) .eqs. "/L" then log = 1 $       curparam = -1< $! $ nextparam: $       curparam = curparam + 1e- $       file = f$element( curparam, ",", p1 )o# $       if file .eqs. "," then exit  $       lastfile = ""O $! $ nextfile: ( $       fullfile = f$search( "''file'" )0 $       if fullfile .eqs. "" then goto nextparam6 $       if fullfile .eqs. lastfile then goto nextparam $       lastfile = fullfile 2 $       prot = f$file_attribute( fullfile, "pro" )+ $       if .not. $status then goto nextfile $ $       set prot=('prot') 'fullfile'? $       if log then say "%TOUCH-I-ACCESS, accessing ", fullfilex $       goto nextfilel   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:12:57 GMTl= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-).4 Subject: Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?0 Message-ID: <009E89A3.FEF61B47@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <75968FA028EAD311B3530090279CF80C123FAA@USWAUMSX07MEDGE>, "Guttenberg, Charlie (MED)" <Charles.Guttenberg@amermsx.med.ge.com> writes: >Hi. > H >I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in a >directory.9@ >Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide a
 >counterpart? D >I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck. >Thanks in advance >for any help you may provide. >c >Charlie GuttenbergM >o >Charles.Guttenberg@med.ge.com  E To the date and time that the file was "touched" or to some time you - wish to specify?  # The easiest way is to use RENAME.      $ RENAME filename.ext;version *.  E This will update the modified date field to the time when the RENAME 0 was performed.     --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:49:44 -0700=/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>r4 Subject: RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?M Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AED8F@seantexch.unitedad.com>t    Or try this for the Unix Winnies   $ TOUCH :== "@TOUCH" $ IF "''P1'".EQS."" THEN EXIT39 $ IF F$LOCATE(".","''P1'").EQ.F$LENGTH("''P1'") THEN EXITt/ $ IF F$LOCATE(";","''P1'").NE.F$LENGTH("''P1'")9
 $    THEN  $        RENAME 'P1 'P1W	 $    ELSE_ $        RENAME 'P1; 'P1;  $ ENDIFu   Terry   -----Original Message----- 8 From: 	Terry Marosites [mailto:TMarosites@UNITEDAD.COM] % Sent:	Friday, April 14, 2000 11:31 AMr To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn4 Subject:	RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?     Try Rename like    $ Rename x.foo;1 x.foo;1   Terry  > ---------- > From: 	Guttenberg, Charlie3 > (MED)[SMTP:Charles.Guttenberg@amermsx.med.ge.com] ' > Sent: 	Friday, April 14, 2000 2:46 PM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3 > Subject: 	Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?  >  > Hi.  > I > I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in a  > directory.A > Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide ai > counterpart?E > I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck.i > Thanks in advance  > for any help you may provide.P >  > Charlie Guttenberg >  > Charles.Guttenberg@med.ge.coma >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and_J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingA of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaiF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:45:19 +0200h> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>4 Subject: Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?+ Message-ID: <8d7sgj$p9u$1@minus.oleane.net>   + If you want to set a specific date, you canh 1- analyze/rms/fdl the file J 2- add a item for creation or revision date as you like it to the fdl file* 3.- convert the file with the modified fdl  A Maybe i could find such a procedure written several years ago ...i   Cordialement   Jean-Franois Marchalo X9000 - LYON  < "Terry Marosites" <TMarosites@unitedad.com> wrote in messageG news:1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AED8F@seantexch.unitedad.com...l" > Or try this for the Unix Winnies >D > $ TOUCH :== "@TOUCH" > $ IF "''P1'".EQS."" THEN EXIT ; > $ IF F$LOCATE(".","''P1'").EQ.F$LENGTH("''P1'") THEN EXITH1 > $ IF F$LOCATE(";","''P1'").NE.F$LENGTH("''P1'")l > $    THENd > $        RENAME 'P1 'P1d > $    ELSEo > $        RENAME 'P1; 'P1;P	 > $ ENDIF0 >  > Terry| >  -----Original Message------8 > From: Terry Marosites [mailto:TMarosites@UNITEDAD.COM]' > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:31 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh6 > Subject: RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? >r >0 > Try Rename liker >  > $ Rename x.foo;1 x.foo;1 >m > Terry. > > ---------- > > From: Guttenberg, Charlie!5 > > (MED)[SMTP:Charles.Guttenberg@amermsx.med.ge.com]u( > > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:46 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComT4 > > Subject: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? > >d > > Hi.  > >hK > > I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in an > > directory.C > > Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide a  > > counterpart?G > > I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck.  > > Thanks in advance ! > > for any help you may provide.e > >i > > Charlie Guttenberg > >.! > > Charles.Guttenberg@med.ge.com- > >  >e >4H > **********************************************************************E > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and L > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.J > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > theyB > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended
 recipient,D > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.K > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingh  > of this message is prohibited. >  > Bank of BermudaCH > **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:11:11 GMT . From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>4 Subject: Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?/ Message-ID: <38F7784F.40E81878@nc.prestige.net>e  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------1AC4C39C60F5B036B753B038* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   J Begs the question - Why would you want to? or similarly -- Why do you needJ to?  There may be other methods for you may not have considered to achieve	 the goal.    Michael Austin DBA Consultant  " "Guttenberg, Charlie (MED)" wrote:   > Hi.h >eI > I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in ar > directory.A > Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide ar > counterpart?E > I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck.  > Thanks in advancei > for any help you may provide., >7 > Charlie Guttenberg >  > Charles.Guttenberg@med.ge.comr  & --------------1AC4C39C60F5B036B753B038- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;-  name="maustin.vcf"- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit , Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael n tel;work:704-947-1089c x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc!
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1b+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.coma title:Presidentd x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcardn  ( --------------1AC4C39C60F5B036B753B038--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:43:17 -0700o/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> 4 Subject: RE: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?M Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AED91@seantexch.unitedad.com>h   Michael Austin,o  K    The most obvious reason why you would want to "touch" a file is to forceg  it into incremental backups. :)  Terrya    -----Original Message-----h7 From: 	Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@nc.prestige.net] t% Sent:	Friday, April 14, 2000 12:11 PMS To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt4 Subject:	Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?  K  << File: Card for Michael Austin >> Begs the question - Why would you wantV# to? or similarly -- Why do you needeJ to?  There may be other methods for you may not have considered to achieve	 the goal.    Michael Austin DBA Consultant  " "Guttenberg, Charlie (MED)" wrote:   > Hi.q >eI > I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in aS > directory.A > Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide aw > counterpart?E > I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck.o > Thanks in advance  > for any help you may provide.r >g > Charlie Guttenberg >m > Charles.Guttenberg@med.ge.comE   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2000 18:26:46 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET)u4 Subject: Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?. Message-ID: <38f79b26_1@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>  2 	If you are looking at something like described inK http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/helplib/@hvmsapps/TOUCH then I can provide itiG but it's may core is based on the FILE utility (see in The MadGoat farm K for this utility) with option /REVISION_DATE or /creation depending on whatiF you are specifying as Unix-Like option. Works great ... You should get! the FILE utility first though ...a       -- t6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400a;   ---m---U---m---------------------------------------------C&   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:26:24 -0400n. From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>4 Subject: Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?/ Message-ID: <38F7A920.43CF1179@nc.prestige.net>t  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------01C94E50D6916443F451C54B* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bith  J The one thing you can do with touch that you cannot do in VMS (very easilyN anyway...) is to change the time so something other than the current time (via? rename etc...)  Unless you know how to do some bit-twiddling...e   > Michael Austin >,       >aM >    The most obvious reason why you would want to "touch" a file is to forcee! > it into incremental backups. :)a > Terryt >u >  -----Original Message----- 9 > From:   Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@nc.prestige.net] ) > Sent:   Friday, April 14, 2000 12:11 PMs > To:     Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como= > Subject:        Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?a >aM >  << File: Card for Michael Austin >> Begs the question - Why would you want % > to? or similarly -- Why do you need.L > to?  There may be other methods for you may not have considered to achieve > the goal.y >  > Michael Austin > DBA Consultant >-$ > "Guttenberg, Charlie (MED)" wrote: >0 > > Hi.3 > >0K > > I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in an > > directory.C > > Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide ad > > counterpart?G > > I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck.- > > Thanks in advancee! > > for any help you may provide.s > >e > > Charlie Guttenberg > > ! > > Charles.Guttenberg@med.ge.comP  & --------------01C94E50D6916443F451C54B- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="maustin.vcf"a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitm, Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"r   begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael t tel;work:704-947-1089  x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inci
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1p+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.com  title:Presidentt x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcard*  ( --------------01C94E50D6916443F451C54B--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:46:20 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>4 Subject: Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?/ Message-ID: <38F7ADC0.494BEEF4@vl.videotron.ca>    Michael Austin wrote:d > L > The one thing you can do with touch that you cannot do in VMS (very easilyP > anyway...) is to change the time so something other than the current time (viaA > rename etc...)  Unless you know how to do some bit-twiddling...a  : MC DFU SET MYFILE.DAT/REVISION_DATE="01-OCT-2000 21:37:42"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 01:50:29 GMT1. From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>4 Subject: Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?/ Message-ID: <38F7D569.77CBEA50@nc.prestige.net>A  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------B4809A33EF465865878E2E0A* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitM  P Darn,  I knew if I threw something out there might actually be a way to do it inP VMS.. and I don't recall having to use DFU before... no wait, I think I saw that: sometime in mid 80's  Don't remember what for.. any way... Thanks for the correction JF   Michael Austin   JF Mezei wrote:i   > Michael Austin wrote:  > > N > > The one thing you can do with touch that you cannot do in VMS (very easilyR > > anyway...) is to change the time so something other than the current time (viaC > > rename etc...)  Unless you know how to do some bit-twiddling...  > < > MC DFU SET MYFILE.DAT/REVISION_DATE="01-OCT-2000 21:37:42"  & --------------B4809A33EF465865878E2E0A- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;i  name="maustin.vcf"t Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7biti, Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"I   begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael   tel;work:704-947-1089  x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc 
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 + email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.com  title:Presidento x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcarde  ( --------------B4809A33EF465865878E2E0A--   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:24:58 GMTa From: Rick <rw712@yahoo.com>P Subject: How can you find the exact size of a file in bytes using a VMS command?) Message-ID: <8d7r9o$1dc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  B Sorry to ask such a stupid question, but I have been searching andE connot figure it out. I want to know the exact size (number of bytes)t? of a(ny) file in VMS? Is it possible or is the finest degree ofp( granularity a block?  Thanks in advance.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:18:47 -0400e- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> T Subject: Re: How can you find the exact size of a file in bytes using a VMS command?. Message-ID: <sfev9keaivv39@corp.supernews.com>  6 Rick wrote in message <8d7r9o$1dc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...C >Sorry to ask such a stupid question, but I have been searching andoF >connot figure it out. I want to know the exact size (number of bytes)@ >of a(ny) file in VMS? Is it possible or is the finest degree of) >granularity a block?  Thanks in advance.     E A quick hack way to do it is SEARCH filename xx/STAT, one of the stat   fields is "Characters searched."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:16:55 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>S Subject: Re: How can you find the exact size of a file in bytes using a VMScommand? / Message-ID: <38F798D1.3003CA63@vl.videotron.ca>    Rick wrote:( > D > Sorry to ask such a stupid question, but I have been searching andG > connot figure it out. I want to know the exact size (number of bytes)pA > of a(ny) file in VMS? Is it possible or is the finest degree ofh* > granularity a block?  Thanks in advance.  L The exact size of a file on VMS has many meanings. It all depends on how you will be accessing the file.e    K For instance, text files can be stored different ways, but your applicationfK program will see the same number of bytes. (eg: you application woudl see a J stream-lf the same way as a variable record size file as would a file withA lines terminated with cr-lf or an indexed file read sequentially..  L If you do DIR/SIZE=ALL of a file, it will give you the number of blocks usedK and the number of blocks allocated. You can also obtain the offset into thelL last block of the end of file and with that, you can calculate the number of0 bytes in the actual file (sequential files only)   you can.  5 write sys$output F$FILE_ATTRBUTES("myfile.dat,"item")e   ALQ = allocation quantityS$ EOF = number of 512 byte blocks usedK FFB = first free byte (eg: offset into the last block where end of file is)"   so, total size would be:  Y 512 * (F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES("myfile,dat","EOF") - 1) + F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES("myfile.dat","FFB")   ; However, the number given by that will only match what yourrL program/application sees if the later accessed the file in raw binary mode.   I there is also the item FILE_LENGTH_HINT but I am not sure on what type of  files it works.a  8 HELP LEXICALS F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES will give you more info.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:17:28 ESTt, From: "Pedro Viena" <contracer2@hotmail.com> Subject: how test the network ?s3 Message-ID: <20000415021728.6515.qmail@hotmail.com>   4 In my job we have three alphaservers DS20 in network  C   (not in cluster !), and we use 100Mb network cards (full-duplex).C  @ We are have problems in the network (slow network). my question:  5 Is there any command to verify if the network is ok ?   + We don't use muxservers, only switches IBM.a   Thank you in advance !  6 ______________________________________________________6 Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2000 19:13:29 GMT4 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.dec.com (Charlie Hammond); Subject: Re: How to identify if a patch has been installed. 6 Message-ID: <8d7qkp$2h1$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K In order to see patches that have been installed by the POLYCENTER Software P Installation (PCSI) utility, use the /FULL qualifier on the PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCTF command.  You can specify the product, VMS in this case, to reduce theN amoung of output.  (Note "VMS" _not_ "OPENVMS".  To the PCSI utility, the name6 VMS is the operating system; OPENVMS is the platform.)            GK Patch kits will be listed in the MAINTENANCE column.  (132 col recommended)e   Example (wrapped to 80 col)     :                                                             $ PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCE VMS /FULL                             < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATEe< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------B DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Installed   ......  K      ----------------------------------- ----------------------------------e6      MAINTENANCE                         REFERENCED BYK      ----------------------------------- ----------------------------------dB   ...DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYS V1.0          DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5B       -----------------------            DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1<                |                         DEC AXPVMS PTR V2.3A PATCH KIT -----'                         DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.0-10    -- nK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAtD            (hammond@peek.ppb.dec.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2000 19:03:56 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>2 Subject: Re: How to map PCI configuration register+ Message-ID: <B51D1C1F-6D13D@165.247.43.233>t  7 On Fri, Apr 14, 2000 4:47 AM, Carl Gunnar Linden wrote:y >wH >   Does anyone know how to use the system service routine SYS$CRMPSC toJ >map the configuration register of a device on the PCI-bus in a PWS 500au? >r  G I am very low on the learning curve at the moment, but this sounds liketC something that would be done by a device driver.  I don't think you E talk to device registers via SYS$CRMPSC.  You may want to  obtain thes7 book, "Writing OpenVMS Alpha Device Drivers in C", frome Digital Press.   http://www.bh.com/dp  D The book describes the driver-level interface routines supplied withD VMS.  These routines are designed to make driver code independent ofE the hardware platform.  There's a chapter in the book on PCI support. E It pre-dates the Personal workstation series of hardware, but I thinkN the information is still valid.n     ---------------------------a Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2000 18:26:07 GMT" From: falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk)' Subject: Re: Ingres and Defragmentationl2 Message-ID: <8F16780CAfalkarcabca@205.233.109.125>  ' steve.royer@ssq.qc.ca (sroyer) wrote ini/ <1365dd94.923038e0@usw-ex0102-013.remarq.com>: .  5 >Does anyone have experimented a defragmentation in ao >Ingres environment ?T > = >Anyone can suggest a disk defragmenter that can do the job ?i  I We've been using Raxco's PerfectDisk for 4 or 5 years.  Prior to Raxco's lD takeover of UIS, we used Diskit, which in 1989 was the only product F certified for use with Ingres.  Never had any problem with PerfectDisk (or Diskit, for that matter).i  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca d@ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Roade1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4s  http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:12:10 GMTo, From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow)' Subject: Re: Ingres and Defragmentatione' Message-ID: <2000Apr14.231210.1@eisner>d  ` In article <38F6465E.6EB60E3B@home.com>, David Warren <david.warren_deletethis@home.com> writes:P > We have used Diskeeper by Executive Software for somewhere around 6 years withQ > Ingres.  We aren't doing real-time data aquisition, though.   Mileage may vary,- > just another pointer.   > Diskeeper says that their defragmenter works fine with INGRES.  J CA says do not run a defragmenter on INGRES disks. I don't think you couldI find a product that is worse on a VMS file system than INGRES. Especiallye pre-7.2.  L We run Diskeeper on our production system, but not on the INGRES disks. IIRCG we've run it against INGRES disks on our development system without anyoK incidents. Virtually all of our production system crashes are due to INGRESh+ bugs, not Diskeeper, and certainly not VMS.e   YMMV.l   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:45:12 GMTr. From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>% Subject: Re: Manuals for DEC 3000-800o/ Message-ID: <38F7AA43.75CE7F62@nc.prestige.net>t  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------6A9D35DD4E6E448AC66B728B* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit-  % Real sys admins don't need manuals...e   :)   Michael Austin0 Independent Oracle DBA  (Rdb and 7/8) Consultant7 Ex-DEC Field Engineer  ... Manual?  What's a manual....u   Bob Kaplow wrote:t  [ > In article <38F33A9C.9A6E76D1@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:7H > > Someone (Bob Koehler?) was asking for 3000-300 manuals. They are at: > >b3 > > http://www.digital.com/lists/QB_archive_HD.html: > >d. > > But no 3000-400 or 3000-800 manuals there. >cH > Wrong Bob. It was me. But this is the Systems and Options archive, notG > anything like the Users Guide or such, which is what I'm looking for.  >a >         Bob Kaplow >uN > SPAM:   spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com  uce@ftc.gov     postmaster@127.0.0.1  & --------------6A9D35DD4E6E448AC66B728B- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;i  name="maustin.vcf"u Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bito, Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"i   begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael t tel;work:704-947-10890 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc:
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1n+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.coma title:President  x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcardy  ( --------------6A9D35DD4E6E448AC66B728B--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:37:43 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>(% Subject: Re: Maximum Password Lengthst. Message-ID: <sfepc6jgivv32@corp.supernews.com>  ; Bob Koehler wrote in message <2000Apr14.085836.1@eisner>...n >...F >configure your keyboard to generate it.  I've looked and can't find a= >compose sequence for it, but there may be one, anybody know?  >...  B I do not have access to a real VT terminal right now, but IIRC try
 "COMPOSE L -"g   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Apr 2000 18:30:01 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET)A( Subject: Mozilla-bin and pthread problem. Message-ID: <38f79be9_1@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>  1 	This __NOT__ a question but a problem report ...g  E 	While running Mozilla-bin (MOZILLA E5.0) on an OpenVMS7.2 Alpha node M patched with VMS72_PTHREAD V2.0 I got the following giberrish dump maybe someT, Compaq expert can use for the next patch ...    D %Reason:  lckHandoff:  not owner; lock = 0x0000000000390118, value =4 %  0x0000000000000000, expected = 0x00000000037C1B40F %Running on OpenVMS V7.2 on Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz, 128Mb; 1 CPUsA % The bugcheck occurred at 13-APR-2000 14:19:58.08, running image L %  $4$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][MOZILLA]MOZILLA-BIN. in process 2680A0C5 (namedP %  "_FTA101:"), under username "JLAURET". AST delivery is enabled for all modes;M %  no ASTs active. Upcalls are enabled. Multiple kernel threads are disabled. 9 % The current thread sequence number is -2, at 0x003B7B40t %  Current thread traceback:7 %     0:  PC 0x7BC01AC8, FP 0x037BE410, DESC 0x7BBE3BD8s7 %     1:  PC 0x7BBFDFC8, FP 0x037BE4E0, DESC 0x7BBE3778 7 %     2:  PC 0x7BC161D4, FP 0x037BE580, DESC 0x7BBE5BC007 %     3:  PC 0x7BC27BC4, FP 0x037BE780, DESC 0x7BBE8BA0c7 %     4:  PC 0x800E2444, FP 0x037BE800, DESC 0x80CBC440 7 %     5:  PC 0x836C077C, FP 0x037BE880, DESC 0x836C39B8 7 %     6:  PC 0x800E686C, FP 0x037BE960, DESC 0x835D14D8t7 %     7:  PC 0x8357067C, FP 0x037BE9F0, DESC 0x83521228 7 %     8:  PC 0x7BC032C4, FP 0x037BECA0, DESC 0x7BBE41F0 7 %     9:  PC 0x7BC10768, FP 0x037BECD0, DESC 0x7BBE6390"7 %    10:  PC 0x7BC27BAC, FP 0x037BECF0, DESC 0x7BBE8BA0.7 %    11:  PC 0x800E2444, FP 0x037BED70, DESC 0x80CBC440m7 %    12:  PC 0x836C077C, FP 0x037BEDF0, DESC 0x836C39B8e7 %    13:  PC 0x7C92C2CC, FP 0x037BEE40, DESC 0x7C91C080X7 %    14:  PC 0x836C1708, FP 0x037BEEE0, DESC 0x836C3DB0a7 %    15:  PC 0x8357067C, FP 0x037BEF90, DESC 0x83521228s7 %    16:  PC 0x0024A0F8, FP 0x037BF200, DESC 0x0019E240s7 %    17:  PC 0x0024A750, FP 0x037BF240, DESC 0x0019E290e7 %    18:  PC 0x00244EB4, FP 0x037BF280, DESC 0x0019C2C0o7 %    19:  PC 0x0024C0D4, FP 0x037BF2B0, DESC 0x0019ED70e7 %    20:  PC 0x0024C704, FP 0x037BF350, DESC 0x0019EE38 7 %    21:  PC 0x0025BB5C, FP 0x037BF3C0, DESC 0x001A4280f7 %    22:  PC 0x0025AE50, FP 0x037BF500, DESC 0x03177B60 7 %    23:  PC 0x031F0FAC, FP 0x037BF550, DESC 0x03177CB0 7 %    24:  PC 0x0320A9FC, FP 0x037BF5C0, DESC 0x0317C4F0 7 %    25:  PC 0x032094FC, FP 0x037BF600, DESC 0x0317C560y7 %    26:  PC 0x032088E4, FP 0x037BF6D0, DESC 0x0317C830 7 %    27:  PC 0x03207C5C, FP 0x037BF710, DESC 0x0317CA4067 %    28:  PC 0x032066BC, FP 0x037BF750, DESC 0x0317CDC0c7 %    29:  PC 0x031F00D0, FP 0x037BF7B0, DESC 0x03177FB0i7 %    30:  PC 0x031F1F88, FP 0x037BF850, DESC 0x03176BA8-7 %    31:  PC 0x031F1AB4, FP 0x037BF8E0, DESC 0x03176BF0i7 %    32:  PC 0x031F19D0, FP 0x037BF920, DESC 0x03176C10o7 %    33:  PC 0x031F17F8, FP 0x037BF960, DESC 0x03177AA8e7 %    34:  PC 0x031EE724, FP 0x037BFA30, DESC 0x03176700 7 %    35:  PC 0x031EC200, FP 0x037BFBC0, DESC 0x03176DB8 7 %    36:  PC 0x031EBD6C, FP 0x037BFC60, DESC 0x03177280 7 %    37:  PC 0x031EAFEC, FP 0x037BFCA0, DESC 0x031786B017 %    38:  PC 0x00247948, FP 0x037BFD30, DESC 0x0019DCC0r7 %    39:  PC 0x000F5C3C, FP 0x037BFD60, DESC 0x000AAC50h7 %    40:  PC 0x7BC1315C, FP 0x037BFDA0, DESC 0x7BBE6098i7 %    41:  PC 0x7BC03494, FP 0x037BFFE0, DESC 0x7BBE4470 7 %    42:  PC 0x00000000, FP 0x7AF5BA60, DESC 0x7BBE24B0)7 %    43:  PC 0x836C1474, FP 0x7AF5FB30, DESC 0x836C3CD0t7 %    44:  PC 0x7B05F624, FP 0x7AF5FBB0, DESC 0x7B036330o     -- i6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-34002;   ---m---U---m---------------------------------------------c&   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:45:37 -04007' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>=C Subject: Re: MS behind price decreases? (Was: So who will buy VMS?)w' Message-ID: <8d7os7$p2$1@pyrite.mv.net>w  L Hmmm.   Looks as if my server missed the embedded reply below.  So I'll justK point out that my comment in no way indicated that Compaq was in fact *now* G treating its VMS customers well in said niches - just that doing so wasiI likely a better growth strategy than a glorious, head-long, and certainlyuD futile assault on new commodity low-end territory, especially before3 reestablishing credibility in existing strongholds.a   - bill  5 WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message ' news:0033000020887630000002L002*@MHS...C   Bill Todd wrote:I > > If Comapq just wants to stay in the small niches left thinking VMS is=K > > invioncible, it will have a very rude awakening when NT and UNIX attacke& > those  niches quicker than expected. >-J > Not if it treats its customers there well.  And if it does a good enoughG > job, not only will it repel NT (because there's no way in hell NT cantH > compete in those niches on merit in the foreseeable future) and likely UnixI > as well but it might regain the market credibility to be able to expand- out-
 > of them.  G 1- You don't "treat customers there well" when you are milking them for  every:I penny because you need the profits and pay for all that expensive R&D forcI galaxies. The few remaining VMS customers are more of less captive to VMSn andeJ Compaq knows it and is milking them as much as possible. The minute NT andJ UNIX come anywhere close in those capabilities VMS has that they don't yetJ have, you'll see a lot of folks jump ship. Goodbye VMS. Bean counters willH force companies to go to a non-VMS solution when the non-VMS solution isJ orders of magniture cheaper and you can't justify keeping VMS based on theL additional tidbits it has. Also, you can,t justify keepingthe more expensive7 VMS when applications are no longer there to run on it.n  H 2-The only way to retain customers is to have the cost of VMS FOLLOW (orJ better, LEAD) the industry. Your thinking is similar to Digital justifying theiJ $6000 price for the C compiler when Microsoft was selling theirs for $500: "MScI compilers don't compete against ours, so we need not match the MS price".i  K For all its monopolistic behaviours, you have to give credit to Billy GatesyF for having provided leadership in the pricing of software. By loweringJ software prices, he made computing affordable to a HUGE market and created anL industry that is orders of magnitudes bigger than the industray that existedE under the DEC-IBM heydays. It is a darn shame that DEC *CHOSE* not to 4 participate in this, thus resulting is DEC's demise.        www ->   
      Ahem,  D      It was Borland who got the discount ball rolling with their $99 upgrades      from competing products...e  C      Scared cr*p out of their competition at the time, as I recall.e  
      <-www        WWWebb=   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2000 20:01:35 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: new patches. Message-ID: <8d7tev$1ba$1@info.service.rug.nl>  2 There are a couple of new, interesting patches at   9    http://ftp1.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/e  E Look for today's date.  I mention this because I seem to have gotten iE removed from the patches mailing list at some point (I didn't notice yF this at first, since 7.2-1 has had a lot less patches than 7.1).  I'm ? pretty sure I resubscribed recently---and just did so again:   s  
 MAIL> send* To:     Majordomo@data.service.digital.com CC:c5 Subj:   subscribe openvms-patches helbig@astro.rug.nleH Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C to quit:- subscribe openvms-patches helbig@astro.rug.nl   Exitu   MAIL>1  , (but haven't yet received any confirmation).   Both are rated "1".c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:06:49 -0700B4 From: goodman_j <goodmanNOgoSPAM@accuwx.com.invalid>2 Subject: Re: OPCOM 'new operator enabled' messages9 Message-ID: <07adebc8.db765b52@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com>h  6 We wrote a program many years ago as a replacement for# REPLY/ENABLE that had two purposes:   9 1.  It did not generate those annoying "operator enabled"L	 messages.T  = 2.  By installing the program with OPER privilege we let non--= privileged users enable themselves for our site-defined OPERnc operator classes only.  > In your case you would probably want to modify the program for= #1 only by adding all the other Operator classes to it's .FOR2= source and .CLD file.  (But then don't install it with OPER.)c  ? It has not been tested on VMS 7.x but since it uses the $SNDOPRe@ system service (although admittedly an undocumented interface to! it) I would expect it to work ok.vA ------------------------------OPRSET.FOR-------------------------_ -------------------- 	PROGRAM OPRSET_A C****************************************************************- ***************-3 C	Program to turn on or off one of the user-defined@ operator classes,m: C	OPER1 thru OPER12.  Currently Accu-Weather OPER1 is used fore8 C	Technicians and OPER2 is used for graphic artists.  To use: Co# C	MCR PRODUCTS:OPRSET /ENABLE=OPER2v Ce8 C	This has the same effect as a REPLY/TEMP/ENABLE=OPER2, but if: C	OPRSET is installed with OPER privilege than this can be done4 C	for a non-privileged user.  Also unlike REPLY this program does2 C	not do a cluster-wide broadcast the event to all operators or8 C	clutter up the OPERATOR.LOG file with useless messages (unless  C	/LOG is used). Cs7 C	This program can not be used for any of the non user-m defined 5 C	operator classes like CENTRL or SECURITY since they 	 should be 0 C	used only for the "real" privileged operators. CS8 C	While this program uses the $SNDOPR system service, it does NOT4 C	use the function code or message buffer format for
 OPC$_RQ_TERMEI7 C	as documented in the system service reference manual.-
 Instead it/ C	uses the same function code/format as the DCLr REPLY/ENABLE command.. C / C	The commented BLISS code below is from module- OPC$REPLYMAIN in the C	OPCOM facility.N CE/ C 	V1.0  July 1987    Bryan Davis & Tony Canike-+ C	V2.0  May 1989	   Jess Goodman			Turn off-
 broadcast and-# C			   logging of OPER enable event  unless /LOG used. AddO* C			   /DISABLE and /PERMANENT qualifiers. Document more. C 4 C	The OPRSET_CMDS.CLD file must be compiled with SET COMMAND/OBJECT! C	LINK/NOTRACE OPRSET,OPRSET_CMDS  C	A C****************************************************************C ***************r   	implicit 	none    	include		'($DVIDEF)'  	include		'($OPCDEF)'c  % 	character*16	ONAME			! terminal name ! 	character*7	REQTYP			! ENABLE orn DISABLEe  % 	character*256	M_DESCR			! message to- OPCOM- 	byte		M_ARRAY(0:255)2! 	integer*4	AttnMask		! classes toe enable 	equivalence	(M_DESCR, M_ARRAY)j# 	equivalence	(M_ARRAY(10),AttnMask)    	integer*4	KNOWN_ATTN_MASK1- 	integer*2	MLEN, OLEN, REQLENi   	character*256	CLINE 	integer*4	CLINE_LEN   	character*10	ClassStr 	integer*4	ClassStrLen   	external	OPRSET_CMDS, 	2		LIB$GET_INPUTn   	integer*4	ISTAT, I, 	2		lib$get_foreign, 	2		lib$getdvi,  	2		cli$dcl_parse, 	2		cli$present, 	2		cli$get_value, 	2		sys$sndopr 	t  	!!!Bliss line 0936: CH$FILL (0,# opc$k_oprenable_min_size, message);  	DATA	M_ARRAY /256*0/sA c****************************************************************V ***************r  A c----------------------------------------------------------------k ---------------i2 c Parse Command Line and build the oper class maskA c----------------------------------------------------------------a ---------------   3 	ISTAT = LIB$GET_FOREIGN( CLINE(8:), , CLINE_LEN, )d, 	if (.not. ISTAT) call LIB$STOP(%val(ISTAT)) 	CLINE(1:7) = 'OPRSET 'o- 	ISTAT = CLI$DCL_PARSE(	CLINE(1:CLINE_LEN+7),- OPRSET_CMDS,) 	2	       		LIB$GET_INPUT, LIB$GET_INPUT)  	IF (.NOT. ISTAT) CALL EXIT-  9 	!Unless /LOG don't log or broadcast or this event.  Thisl
 is done by5 	!setting bits OPC$V_NOLOG (0) and OPC$V_NOBRD (1) in8 OPC$B_OPTIONS.1 	If (.NOT. CLI$PRESENT('LOG')) M_ARRAY(2) = '03'xe  ! 	if ( CLI$PRESENT('ENABLE')) thene 	  REQTYP = 'ENABLE'
 	  REQLEN = 6o' 	else if ( CLI$PRESENT('DISABLE')) then  	  REQTYP = 'DISABLE' 
 	  REQLEN = 7 2 	  !Disable request - set bit OPC$V_DISABLE (0) in OPC$B_RQ_OPTIONS.i6 	  M_ARRAY(6) = '01'x	     !Set this before /PERMANENT
 test below 	endif  6 	!Unlike REPLY we make /TEMPORARY the default, but can override6 	!If /PERM set bit OPC$V_PERMOPER in OPC$B_RQ_OPTIONS.4 	if ( CLI$PRESENT('PERMANENT')) M_ARRAY(6) = M_ARRAY (6).OR.'02'X  7 	!Also unlike REPLY we require a specific list of OPERn  keywords( 	!!!Bliss line 0976: DO $bblock [message [opc$l_attnmask1], 0,t- 	!!! share_loookup_oper_bit (text), 1, 0] = 1 , 	!!!Bliss line 0977: UNTIL NOT cli$get_value (.type_keyword, text);9 	!!! (attn_mask2 are reserved class bits that aren't useda yet)2 	ISTAT = CLI$GET_VALUE( REQTYP(:REQLEN), ClassStr, ClassStrLen) 	IF (.NOT. ISTAT) CALL EXIT  	do while (ISTAT)u0 	   if ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER1') then- 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER1n4 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER2') then- 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER2e4 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER3') then- 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER3r4 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER4') then- 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER4e4 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER5') then- 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER5E4 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER6') then- 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER6c4 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER7') then- 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER7v4 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER8') then- 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER8 4 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER9') then- 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER9 5 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER10') thenu. 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER105 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER11') thenM. 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER115 	   elseif ( ClassStr(:ClassStrLen).eq.'OPER12') then . 	     AttnMask = AttnMask .or. OPC$M_NM_OPER12	 	   endift4 	   ISTAT = CLI$GET_VALUE(REQTYP(:REQLEN), ClassStr, ClassStrLen) 	end doe  7 	!Set the operator enable request code is first byte of7 message buffer. 	!!!Bliss line 0937: message[opc$b_rqstcode] = opc$_x_oprenable;  	M_ARRAY(0) = '0A'x7  6 	!Set system scope for operator (use of group scope is not clear).u9 	!!!Bliss line 0938: message[opc$b_scope] = opc$k_system;b 	M_ARRAY(1) = '01'xy  :  	!Get the terminal name and build rest of message with it8 	ISTAT = LIB$GETDVI( DVI$_FULLDEVNAM, , 'SYS$COMMAND', , ONAME,
 	1		    OLEN)m, 	if (.not. ISTAT) call LIB$STOP(%val(ISTAT))  . 	!!!Bliss line 0956: mlen = .dvi_terminal_len; 	MLEN = OLEN$ 	!!!Bliss line 0957: mptr[0] = .mlen 	M_ARRAY(26) = MLENg6 	!!!Bliss line 0958: CH$MOVE (.mlen, dvi_terminal_buf,	 mptr[1]); $ 	M_DESCR(27:26+MLEN) = ONAME(1:MLEN)  ) 	!!!Line 0959 message_desc[0]=$byteoffset  (opc$t_oprenable_opr)+ 1+.mlen;- 	MLEN = 26+1+MLENA  A c----------------------------------------------------------------t -------------- c send message to opcomoA c----------------------------------------------------------------: --------------& 	ISTAT = SYS$SNDOPR( M_DESCR(:MLEN), ), 	if (.not. ISTAT) call LIB$STOP(%val(ISTAT))   	endA -----------------OPRSET_CMDS.CLD---------------------------------i --------------------, !Compile with SET COMMAND/OBJECT OPRSET_CMDS module OPRSET_CMDS define type OPER_CLASS    keyword OPER1    keyword OPER2    keyword OPER3    keyword OPER4    keyword OPER5    keyword OPER6    keyword OPER7    keyword OPER8    keyword OPER9    keyword OPER10M    keyword OPER11g    keyword OPER12s define verb OPRSET    qualifier LOG    qualifier PERMANENT    qualifier ENABLE1       nonnegatable+       value (required,list,type=OPER_CLASS)e    qualifier DISABLE       nonnegatable+       value (required,list,type=OPER_CLASS) @    disallow (ENABLE and DISABLE) or (not ENABLE and not DISABLE)A -----------------------------------------------------------------e  ? In article <009E89AB.3D0B59C1.35@ccagroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharmanm% <Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> wrote:h> >We enable many of our captive users to receive OPCOM messages
 about stalled < >printers, urgent orders, etc. Unfortunately, as well as the
 messages they0@ >want (about their printer or whatever), they also get a message whenever> >anyone is enabled as an operator (ie at login). The number of
 logins vastly.@ >dwarfs the number of printer stalls etc, and the messages are a	 nuisance.  >0: >I had a very nice patch on VAX to disable these "operator enabled" messages,? >and Wolfgang Moeller very kindly ported it to Alpha (dangeroust stuff, I know).9 >.< >It's now stopped working - those OPCOM messages are getting through regardless.80 >I think there was a patch which replaced OPCOM. >"> >Is it posssible to disable them ? Everything else about OPCOM messages isl= >configurable in a supported way. It would be nice to preventd every operator4 >being told about the login of every other operator. >   >Alpha VMS 7.1 (7.2 soon maybe). >E >ChrisA >________________________________________________________________  _______C >Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk	  	http://www.ccastat.demon.co.uk/? >CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancashire, PR2  9WS. >0 >E    
 J. Goodman
 ----------: "Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."  ClarkeL * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!0   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:45:36 GMTx* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Certification' Message-ID: <2000Apr14.154536.1@eisner>D  ] In article <38f61f21.116235507@news.wku.edu>, goathunter@PROCESS.COM (Hunter Goatley) writes:6A > That was my goal, but Real Work always gets in the way of doing H > everything I'd like to do.  If I could figure out how to make a living  > doing freeware, I'd love that.  F Change the name of MadGoat Software to MadGoat Linux.  IPO, using the H "we're making our money by supporting freeware" business plan that seems? to work for the RedHat, VA Linux, etc, crowd.  Get a market cap D in the billions, and then announce that you're changing the spelling  of your version of linux to vms.   Simple, really.  :)0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:27:09 +02003+ From: Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com>9! Subject: Re: Request for a Answery' Message-ID: <38F762FD.420C124B@dnv.com>    Doreswamy Gowda wrote:   > Respected Sir, >30 > I Request you to send Answer for this Question > ) > Question:What type of OS is VMS ? Is it0F > Distrubuted,Network,Batch,Multiprogramming or Real Time ? If so Why? >3> > Please send in the request to mail id doresgowda@hotmail.com   Dear,0  F The OpenVMS operating system can not be placed in one of the mentioned categories only.7 It has properties in all of the categories you mention:,O Distributed    when VMS is used with a cluster of computers it is a distributed0 operating system. M Network        VMS may be used with DECnet and/or TCP/IP network protocols to3 performEN                     remote access computing, file server functions, web server functions, print services.O Batch            It has Batch queue manager functions to control multiple batch  queues on several3G                     machines, and to schedule jobs according to definedA priorities.BH Multiprogramming    VMS can handle multiple users, each running multiple programs, written in3                                 multiple languages. P Real Time    VMS has 32 levels of priority when scheduling which process to run,  N                 ranging from what it should do when it has nothing else to do,H                 to what it has to do when the electric power is about to
 disappear.M                 VMS has functions for date and time and delays, and can set a  program to interrupt)                 itself at a certain time.. It is also:jJ Multiprocessing    It can control a computer containing more than one CPU.M Multithreading    It can run a program doing several things at the same time.d  0 A description of VMS can be found at the web at:/ http://www.digital.com/info/SP2501/SP2501HM.HTM   I Documentation of the OpenVMS operating system and programs it can run at:a$ http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/   Questions and answers at: 6 http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  
 With regards, 
 Arne Bergsethl   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2000 01:17 -0400E From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m) Subject: Re: RMS flags to optimize the io0& Message-ID: <15APR200001173468@miasys>  ~ In article <1e087192.6b6e34b5@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com>, File Rms Optimization <d_viensNOd_SPAM@adm.me.org.invalid> writes...  @ >I'm trying to lower the io on a fixed record relative rms file.  ; Even when using direct access with a simple record number,  ; you may still want to consider using an indexed file as it w, allows for sparse files and has compression.  H For example, assuma relative file with 5 records/bucket (BKS=5*MRS/512).N Now write records 10, 20 and 30. This will be 6 IOs: 1 to read the bucket withN 10, one to write it and so on. For an indexed file, wit no intervening records this might take just 2 IOs.s  2 > I want to be able do 1 IO when a buffer is full.  I Then you need to enable DEFERRED WRITE (fab$l_fop=FAB$M_DFW before open).k   >That how I create the file:  , >    chan->fab.fab$w_deq = record_size;			/*  I That makes little or no sense. DEQ should be based on 'expected number ofs= records to grow divided by the number of records per block.'.o  # >    chan->fab.fab$w_gbc = 5;				/*o  7 As much as I often tell folks to use global buffers, it C is probably useless here. No sharing right? When entering in order, C you'd need only one buffer really. Whne randomly ordering you want i< as many buffers as bucket (ALQ/BKS) to cache the whole file.- Try 100 local buffers ($SET RMS /REL/BUF=100)O  < >    chan->rab.rab$l_rop = RAB$M_WBH|RAB$M_RAH;	/* set read-    Only works for SEQUENTIAL FILES.B Maybe direct access, fixed length sequential file will do the job?D Do you need the 'deleted record' and 'no such record' semantics that relative file offers?t  ! >     chan->fab.fab$l_alq = 1000;o  K Good start. Should be expect number of record divided by records per block.s   >    chan->rab.rab$b_mbc = 125;e >NO effect.m  0 Only usefull when coming back to a prior buffer.   >Montreal 10h00 at night   Nashua 01h10 at night.  A Be sure to read up in the VMS GUIDE TO FILES (in docset / on web)    Bon courage, 		Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:00:57 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>h6 Subject: Re: Running old layered products on newer VMS* Message-ID: <38F7E979.7B1B54DE@virgin.net>   Barry Treahy wrote:t  J > This is exactly why I asked the question to begin with, between DBMS andE > Rdb Run-Time, Oracle wants over $40k just to dance and get current.r( > Duh, this isn't going to happen, EVER! > G > We're a MANMAN shop and CA wanted another $40k the last time we checkeF > for Y2K upgrades, and you can probably guess, I did it all in-house. >/  H I guess you've probably tried this but both Oracle and CA can drop theseD prices significantly if pushed. Also you should be able to run laterL versions of DBMS and RDB runtime than the versions you have (but still priorJ to sale to Oracle). At least IIRC your runtime license should allow you to* use the last DEC release. (DBMS and RDB 6)  C Its perhaps worth noting that these CA and Oracle quoted prices areeJ chickenfeed (in relative terms) compared to (say) a SAP implementation andK that there are considerable performance improvements in the later releases.nJ Oracle were running a not very well publicised deal Q499 which allowed youJ to upgrade to the latest version of Oracle software for next to nothing ifJ certain conditions were met. Might be worth asking your Oracle rep to look( into this in case it is still available.       >0H > I've received a lot of positive input from Brian and others, I'm goingE > to fire up a test systems and just see how far I can push it, but Ih7 > probably won't get to it until the first part of May.s >l > Thanks...a >i > Barryr >l > Brian Tillman wrote: >d1 > > >I would look at upgrading Rdb to the latest.c > >r& > > Oh, sure, and pay Oracle's prices? > > -- > > F > >  Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comF > >  Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comB > >  3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventA > >  Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@" = > >         This opinion doesn't represent that of my company-   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:14:13 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>** Subject: RE: Scheduler & PSDC alternativesD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD6B3@berry.mvpsi.com>   > ? > On a couple of our newer systems we've installed KRONOS as a e > replacement for F > Scheduler.  No disrespect to the developers, but it isn't as good as@ > Scheduler and we've had to make extensive mods to some of our  > Scheduleru > jobs.P >   K Check out JAMS for OpenVMS.  It includes a DECscheduler conversion utility.dJ We feel that it's the best OpenVMS Scheduler and we intend to keep it that way.  ; For details, take a look at http://JAMS.Argent-Software.come   John Vottero JAMS Developer   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:49:03 GMT 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>I. Subject: Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert!- Message-ID: <38F7D95B.8A91D902@earthlink.net>p   Sue Skonetski wrote: >  >  Ade,e > M > This is Sue Skonetski from the OpenVMS Group, send me your name and addressI" > and I will get a few out to you.   Sue,  ' Never mind "preaching to the choir" !!!   F Get these ads on billboards, buses, bus benches, magazines (especiallyG NT, WhineDoze-2000Bugs and UN*X trade rags!) and especially network andi cable television in prime time.r  ; The faithful already have the message. The infidels do not!r   --   David J. Dachtera	 dba DJE SystemsR" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:15:24 GMT*, From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow). Subject: Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert!' Message-ID: <2000Apr14.231524.1@eisner>e  \ In article <882568C0.007C1F57.00@WHDOM99.HEALTHNET.COM>, Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com writes:L > I have just received an unusual package: A 9" tall, 33" wide Compaq posterM > proclaiming "Compaq OpenVMS on AlphaServer Systems" across the top, "CompaqjN > Non-Stop Computing" bottom left, and "Enterprise Computing in Motion" bottom > right.  K I got one too. It seemed pretty pointless to me. I trashed it, but kept thes tube for my model rocket hobby!e  G I got another oVMS poster a couple months back (packaged in yet anothere= rocket to be), plus a nice desk clock trinket just after Y2K.n   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1a   ------------------------------  / Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:37:18 +0109 (Eastern)* From: l2lmgfh@wmin.ac.ukC Subject: SIGN UP TODAY AND SAVE!! Low Price Dental and Optical plan-- Message-ID: <0FT100KBXJPC8Y@mx.east.saic.com>s  : SIGN UP TODAY AND SAVE!! Low Price Dental and Optical plan   Hello, -  8 We work with a group of your local doctors and dentists 3 and are offering a Dental - Optical Plan that runs  . approximately $3 a week for an individual and < $4 a week for the entire family with no limit to the number 
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 Washington Wyomings   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:37:39 -0400a' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>!" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?' Message-ID: <8d7od9$8l$1@pyrite.mv.net>n  : Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in message0 news:009E8987.DA5E7AC9.3@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk...   ...)  L > But what's so stupid about this for Compaq is that for every customer suchH > as the above, there will be many who don't even bother getting a quote fromJ > Compaq for VMS because they know about the pricing, and who don't botherF > getting a quote from Compaq for Tru64 because (a) some other Unix isJ > already prevalent in their organisation, or (b) if they have to go Unix,I > they'll go Linux and never be held to ransom by an O/S vendor again, or K > (c) they'd prefer never to buy anything from Compaq again, after the paino  > of being forced away from VMS!  L Isn't it a tad premature to draw such conclusions without comparing both theA VMS and Tru64 pricing in this range to that of competing systems?   K I mean, it's possible (I certainly don't know - but do you?) that the Tru64qG price is *lower* than any comparable competing Unix solution (includingfD hardware, of course), and that the VMS price is competitive as well.  I If that were true, then it would simply mean that Compaq was aggressively L pushing Tru64 against its main competition in this market segment - hardly aE 'stupid' move - and keeping VMS competitive as well, allowing for its1 superior qualities.t  I This points out that the only currently-visible stupidity is this kind ofPK knee-jerk reaction to a perceived internal slight.  There may or may not beSC cause for disturbance, but if there is no one has yet exhibited it.y   - bill   >  > Yours,
 > Nigel Arnot3 > NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK >p7 > "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:56:31 GMT:, From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow)" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?' Message-ID: <2000Apr14.225631.1@eisner>   Z In article <38F689C5.ED3503CB@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:N > Can/will you post the significant parts of the quote?  The hardware and what > licenses.L  ' I am not allowed to do so at this time.M   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1M   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:07:21 -0400f- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> + Subject: Re: SPAWN, MAIL, lexical functions-. Message-ID: <sfer3k4eivv33@corp.supernews.com>  E Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515 wrote in message ...- >...> >    ago"  was  asking  how  to  do  "delayed  evaluation"  of	 lexicals,iD >    basically  so  that I could define a symbol containing lexicals for_@ >    which the lexicals wouldn't get evaluated until I used  the symbol.w   >...     Is this what you are after?e  . $ x = "The time is " + "'" + "'" + "F$TIME()'". $ write sys$output x  ! x contains ''F$TIME()' The time is ''F$TIME()'E $ write sys$output "''x'"y# The time is 14-APR-2000 15:02:28.62o $ write sys$output "''x'"M# The time is 14-APR-2000 15:02:31.181 $ write sys$output "''x'"q# The time is 14-APR-2000 15:02:32.24 5 $ y := "''x'"  ! Y will remain static until redefinedr
 $ sh sym y+   Y = "The time is 14-APR-2000 15:02:49.39" 
 $ sh sym y+   Y = "The time is 14-APR-2000 15:02:49.39"S
 $ y := "''x'" 
 $ sh sym y+   Y = "The time is 14-APR-2000 15:02:53.45"-     -- Peter Weaver   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2000 16:40:42 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)+ Subject: Re: SPAWN, MAIL, lexical functionsP3 Message-ID: <JBqmuMLX5mad@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>s  0 In article <009E896E.E4594F1C@SendSpamHere.ORG>,D     	system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes: [...] E > Can you elaborate further on your ""lo those many years ago" query?v >l > Does this satisfy your quest?  >l > $ process_name[0,2]:="F$"a" > $ process_name[2,9]:="process()" > $h! > $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT process_name 
 > F$process()e > $a" > $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 'process_name	 > VAXman-p > $a  H         I seem to  have  triggered  a  good  deal  of  confusion with my,     response.  Sorry 'bout that, Chief.  :-}  H         As  a  couple  of  follow-ups  noted,  the  original  poster hadH     embedded  the lexical functions within quoted strings, and thereforeH     needed to use embedded apostrophes  to  for  their  evaluation,  andH     therefore the evaluation occurred in the parent process prior to the
     spawn.  H         What I was referring to, lo those  many years ago, has been lostH     to the mists of time.  :-} However, my recollection is that I wantedH     to  defined  a _symbol_ which included a lexical function for  whichH     the lexical would be evaluated when the symbol was used.  I hate  toH     try  a  recreation because I'll probably get it wrong and/or be able*     to come up with a better solution now!  H         Ah, a bit of snooping  around  shows the problem (and solution).H     I  wanted  to create a symbol that would allow be to ATTACH  to  theH     _owner_ process of a subprocess.  It is easy to make a  symbol  thatH     attaches to the _master_ process, e.g., by putting this in LOGIN.COM)     (symbols get copied to subprocesses):t  - 	$ Mast*er == "Attach/Id="+F$GetJpi("","PID")l  H     Note that  the  F$GetJpi  above  is  evaluated  when  the  symbol is'     _defined_, not when it is executed.o  H         I couldn't figure out how to do something similar in order to doB     the equivalent of this little command file (sans the WRITE's):  K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------  $ ownpid = F$GETJPI("","OWNER")n $ IF ownpid.EQS."" $ THENJ $   WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%ATTACH-E-ORPHAN, you have no parents.  Poor thing!" $   EXIT $ ENDIF- $ ATTACH /ID='ownpidK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------h  H     What one needs  is  a  way  to  include  the  lexical  in the symbolH     definition  without evaluating it, but to have it evaluated when the)     symbol is executed in the subprocess.   H         Being older and wiser now (well,  mostly  older! :-), I can come     pretty close with this:f  :         $ Owner := Attach/Id="'"F$GetJpi("""""",""OWNER"")        for which SHOW SYMBOL gives:  3           OWNER = "ATTACH/ID='F$GETJPI("","OWNER")"n       Now watch:  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  SLC::Fairfield> spawn/promp="$ "+ %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process FAIRFIELD_2 spawnedy= %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process FAIRFIELD_2P $ sho sym owners+   OWNER = "ATTACH/ID='F$GETJPI("","OWNER")"cN $ owner                                                        <-- didn't workB %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special
 characters  \(""\K $ 'owner                                                       <-- DID worke: %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process Ken Fairfield SLC::Fairfield> L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  H     So if I were willing to type the leading apostrophe, I would be ableH     to make this  work.   I  prefer  going  the  command  file route and     avoiding the apostrophe.  H         Now if someone really  _can_  come  up  with a symbol definitionH     that accomplishes this task, delayed evaluation of a lexical withoutH     forcing  the user to type a leading apostrophe, I'd sure like to see     it!  :-)           -Ken --M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2000 19:21:58 CST; From: wayne@tachyon.xxx.105531.killspam.0724 (Wayne Sewell)t: Subject: Re: Too Few Servers Detected from: Node LOCAL..... Message-ID: <VeW$viGFFAQN@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  f In article <005401bfa62d$b6c583c0$0100a8c0@oliver1>, "Miles D. Oliver" <moliver@linux.lgi.com> writes:I > After upgrading to OpenVMS system from 7.1 to 7.2-1  I am now getting a.> > strange error meesage that I havent seen in the operator.log > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-APR-2000 12:20:19.71  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on MDSLB2@ > Event: Too Few Servers Detected from: Node LOCAL:.MDSLB2 DTSS,/ >         at: 2000-04-14-12:20:19.715-04:00Iinfs >         Number Detected=0, >         Number Required=1o9 >         eventUid   0ADCAAD7-11FF-11D4-9B48-4D44534C4232d9 >         entityUid  00DAF636-115B-11D4-8142-AA0004000204e9 >         streamUid  001FCB76-115B-11D4-812D-AA00040002042 >  > H > I cannot seem to figure it out. I have no clue what is generating this > error. > # > Could anybody assist me on this??e >     N from the faq (your specific question is answered near the end of the section):          < ------------------------------------------------------------? MGMT7.  Why can't I do a SET TIME command?  Help managing DTSS?o  D If you try to set the system time with the SET TIME command, and see one of the following messages:  # %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying timet0 -SYSTEM-F-IVSSRQ, invalid system service request  # %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying time L -SYSTEM-E-TIMENOTSET, time service enabled; enter a time service command to  update the timeE    O A: This occurs if the time on the local system is controlled by a time service  O software, for example the distributed time service software (DTSS) provided as fP part of the DECnet/OSI installation. The DTSS software communicates with one or M more time servers to obtain the current time. It entirely controls the local sL system time (for DECnet/OSI, there is a process named DTSS$CLERK for this); P therefore, the usage of the SET TIME command (and the underlying $SETTIM system  service) is disabled.a  N The first message is displayed on systems running DECnet/OSI V6.1 and earlier.N On systems with newer DECnet/OSI (DECnet-Plus) software, the second (and more  informative) message is given.  I You shouldn't have to change the time manually - you should be doing thisnM through the time server - but if you insist...  you'll have to shutdown DTSS:e  	 $ MCR NCLr NCL> DISABLE DTSSh NCL> DELETE DTSS  L This will shutdown DTSS$CLERK. You may then change the system time as usual." To restart the DTSS software, type   @SYS$STARTUP:DTSS$STARTUPo  M You'll need a lot of privs : (CMKRNL,SYSPRV,OPER,SYSNAM,PRMMBX,NETMBX,LOG_IO,sE ALTPRI) and must be granted the NET$MANAGE identifer to shutdown and  
 restart DTSS.. 					[bol@adv.magwien.gv.at]  O If you wish to "permanently" disable DTSS on a system running DECnet-Plus, the  J above NCL sequence must be performed each time the system is bootstrapped.  N If DTSS is running and no time servers are configured, you can (and will) see , the following messages at regular intervals:  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   2-SEP-1999 19:41:20.29  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on UNHEDI> Event: Too Few Servers Detected from: Node LOCAL:.mynode DTSS,-         at: 1999-09-02-19:41:20.296-04:00Iinf          Number Detected=0,         Number Required=1e7         eventUid   5FA70F4F-616E-11D3-A80E-08002BBEDB0Fa7         entityUid  DE9E97DE-6135-11D3-8004-AA000400BD1Bf7         streamUid  D6513A46-6135-11D3-8003-AA000400BD1B.  K You can either configure the appropriate number of time servers, or you canvG disable DTSS, or you can ignore it and (if OPCOM is set to write to thedJ log via via the logical names in SYLOGICALS.COM/SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE) clean out OPERATOR.LOG regularly.n    : You can also simply disable the display of these messages:  M $ mcr ncl block event dispatcher outbound stream local_stream global filter - ,     ((Node, DTSS), Too Few Servers Detected)  @                                                   [Wayne Sewell]  < ------------------------------------------------------------    9   The OpenVMS FAQ is archived in the following locations:.  :     http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html9     ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/OpenVMS.txt 1     ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/vms-:     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/dec-faq/vms,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups  A   Other internet FAQs are generally available in these locations:s  ,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups%     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/...u  ?   User-created HTML versions of the OpenVMS FAQ are located at:n       http://www.kjsl.com/vmsfaq'     http://eisner.decus.org/vms/faq.htm          -- eO =============================================================================== K Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachyon.xxxy8 http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)SO =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:23:08 GMTD, From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow)2 Subject: Re: VMS 7.2-1 Upgrade & large directories' Message-ID: <2000Apr14.232308.1@eisner>r  ~ In article <FDtJ4.14409$q67.438530@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Andy Bustamante" <A_C_Bustamante@earthlink.net> writes:I > I'm testing our database application on Alpha VMS 7.2-1 (from VMS 7.1).aD > Steve Hoffman noted a DECUS presentation that handling a directoryI > with large number of files is improved in 7.2.  Do I need to goto ODS-5r@ > to get this improvement or can I remain at the ODS-2.  The webL > frontend to my application creates a large amount of small files.  And yesG > our developers are already reviewing changes to the application.  But- > I have 7.2-1 in hands today.  L You do not need ODS2 to get the benefits. Good thing too. One of our App DevF folks deployed an application that creates thousands of files a day. AJ couple months ago they hit the .5M file limit on the disk, but even worse,I had more than half of those files in one directory, all starting with the3L same N characters! I can't imagine how that would have performed on pre 7.2.F We never noticed a performance problem until we hit the file limit. OfJ course, the job to delete a bunch of those files took over 24 hours to run :-)l  L We stayed with ODS-2, but did take advantage of the smaller cluster size andL re-inited the volume to support 3 million files, which should get us through the rest of the year, I hope.r  6 I also seriously slapped the developer responsible :-(   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:29:43 -0400k+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> A Subject: Re: What are some reasons for different size executablesc1 Message-ID: <38F72B57.3C18AB72@trailing-edge.com>n   John Nixon wrote:lG > Other than compiler or linker options, such as /DEBUG,  what are some M > reasons that the executables would be different sizes on different machinesd  ? Have the programmer log into his account on each machine and don@ $SHOW SYMB CC and $SHOW SYMB LINK, to see if there's some switch# being set on one but not the other.   A It's also possible to have installed the compilers with differenttD default options.  If you do a CC/LIST then the bottom of the listing> will contain all the relevant options as well as all the minor6 version numbers; do this on both machines and compare.  6 You can do the same for the linker by doing LINK/MAPs.   Tim.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Apr 2000 15:54:37 CST; From: wayne@tachyon.xxx.343789.killspam.06ce (Wayne Sewell)iA Subject: Re: What are some reasons for different size executables . Message-ID: <tI5N2zlqAgC8@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  w In article <slGJ4.7566$fV.658146@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:aM > Sorry if this is a dumb question (and I do believe there are such things as-- > dumb questions), but I am not a programmer.0 > H > One of our resident, constantly complaining ex-unix programmers is nowN > screaming because we are forcing him to begin developing VAX code  (DECC) onM > a development system instead of  developing right on the production system.c > M > His first stab at this was to build code on the dev VAX.  He is complainingyK > about the fact that executables on the development system are larger thaniI > they are on the production VAX, even though the VMS version is the same 4 > (7.1) and the DECC Compiler versions are the same. > N > He is comparing "used" space rather than "allocated" space, so the different' > disk cluster sizes are not the issue.L > G > Other than compiler or linker options, such as /DEBUG,  what are someeM > reasons that the executables would be different sizes on different machines K > (VAX 78xxs vs VAX 4705).   Should these different sizes be a warning of ao > potential problem?    O Given the same version of everything, compiler or linker options are the *only*lM possible difference between the two sets of images.  With the same version of L the linker and compiler, and the same options for both, the images should beO *identical* on the two machines.  Not just the size, but the actual contents ofmN the image sections as well.  Doing a checksum/image should result in identical. values for everything except the image header.       >  >  -- MO =============================================================================== K Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachyon.xxxn8 http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)iO ===============================================================================iN Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:51:43 -0700K5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> A Subject: Re: What are some reasons for different size executables-) Message-ID: <eXYsBTnp$GA.235@cpmsnbbsa03>o  L While everyone else is listing possible reasons and or methods of explaining the difference . . .  L "Sorry if this is a dumb question (and I do believe there are such things asE dumb questions)" - however did your "resident, constantly complaining-L ex-unix programmer . . . screaming because [you] are forcing" him to developE code on the development system give you any reason as to why he is soi worried?  J I'm kind of wondering . . . you didn't mention what it is that he is doing* and or just how "space constrained" he is.   Joea    8 John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message? news:slGJ4.7566$fV.658146@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...nJ > Sorry if this is a dumb question (and I do believe there are such things as- > dumb questions), but I am not a programmer.a >rH > One of our resident, constantly complaining ex-unix programmers is nowK > screaming because we are forcing him to begin developing VAX code  (DECC)' onE > a development system instead of  developing right on the productioni system.A >2A > His first stab at this was to build code on the dev VAX.  He is0 complaining K > about the fact that executables on the development system are larger thanTI > they are on the production VAX, even though the VMS version is the same-4 > (7.1) and the DECC Compiler versions are the same. >eD > He is comparing "used" space rather than "allocated" space, so the	 different-' > disk cluster sizes are not the issue.T >rG > Other than compiler or linker options, such as /DEBUG,  what are some9D > reasons that the executables would be different sizes on different machinesK > (VAX 78xxs vs VAX 4705).   Should these different sizes be a warning of aG > potential problem? >e >O   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.210 ************************