1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 18 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 216       Contents: Re: AST sanity check.  Re: AST sanity check.  RE: Availability Manager RE: Availability Manager BridgeWorks Anyone? 5 Defing Shifted or CTRL Function keys with SMG$Add_key  Re: DN-V L1 routing licence ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! 
 Re: excursion  Re: faster/smarter FTP clients?  FILESERV@WKU: Updated UNZIP J Re: How can you find the exact size of a file in bytes using a VMScommand? Re: how test the network ?) Re: How to map PCI configuration register  Re: HSJ80 experience? B Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for  Dummies" ?= Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ? A Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ? A Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ?  Looking for VAX Arch. Handbook Re: Mailer question in OpenVMS Re: Maximum Password Lengths Re: Maximum Password Lengths Re: Maximum Password Lengths* Re: monitor modes what do this stats mean?# Re: Mozilla-bin and pthread problem  Re: New VMS books coming out Re: New VMS books coming out NT Breaks Again  Re: OpenVMS Certification   Percent of time spent training ?# Re: Request for Wildfire/Galaxy URL  RE: Security question  Re: Security question  Re: Security question : Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3> Re: Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3 Re: So who will buy VMS ? 4 Re: Sun's challenge to Compaq's high-end Sales Staff SWXCR Controller Cards Re: SWXCR Controller Cards Re: SWXCR Controller Cards Re: SWXCR Controller Cards Test Re: Test  VMS System Manager Certification Re: Web server for VAX/VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 17 Apr 2000 19:10:01 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: AST sanity check.6 Message-ID: <8dfni9$mkf$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  b In article <38F4B179.D506A437@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:N :With all the coming wildfires and galaxy explosions and clones of VMS running7 :in the same body... I just want to get a sanity check:  : M :If is still architecturally correct to expect that in a single process, only * :one AST can be running at any one time ?   F   Consider the implications to compatibility if this changed, and alsoG   consider the general assumptions of compatibility present in OpenVMS. C   You will not see more than one user-mode AST active at a time, in    other words.  K :Also, assuming it has got its own RAB stream, are RMS writes to an indexed J :file permitted while in AST mode ? (the main program will be doing reads I :and deletes).  (eg: transactions come in via ASTs, but the main program   :reads/deletes transactions).   G   RMS is AST re-entrant.  Be aware that you can deadlock with yourself. H   (You can "get your feet tangled up" without using ASTs of course, but J   (incorrect) AST programming can certainly make it easier... :-)  It may J   more practical and simpler to open, maintain, and use multiple channels.  D   If you require parallel processing within a process context or theC   execution of routines across available on processors entirely in  E   parallel, you will want to look at threading -- this is similar in  E   many ways, but -- as you can have more than one thread active at a  F   time -- there are some very basic differences from AST processing...   	--   F   The usual sorts of programming problems involved in this environmentF   are covered in topic 1661 in the Ask The Wizard area and the OpenVMSH   Programming Concepts manual (I provided a pile of new text for the ASTF   chapter in the V7.2 documentation set), among various other places.   I   I may well be presenting a related technical session -- on programming  K   using OpenVMS features -- at the upcoming Munich (Sprechen Sie Deutsch?):   '     http://www.compaq.com/emea/cts2000/   *   and Los Angeles (Sprechen Sie Dude? :-):        http://ets2000.tacticom.com/  L   Compaq technical events.  And probably also as at least part of a session J   that may end up on the schedule at the upcoming DFWdays "hootenanny" in    Dallas, Texas:       http://dfwdays.dfwcug.org/    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:28:02 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: AST sanity check.. Message-ID: <38FBABFC.4DAA55B@vl.videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: H >   Consider the implications to compatibility if this changed, and alsoI >   consider the general assumptions of compatibility present in OpenVMS. E >   You will not see more than one user-mode AST active at a time, in  >   other words.  $ Thanks for the confirmation of this.  I >   RMS is AST re-entrant.  Be aware that you can deadlock with yourself.   G Yep. That is why I am investigating different ways of doing this.  I am K debating re-using code to add its ability to receive and queue transactions F asynchronously. Or rewrite that part to have totally new architecture.G (Currently, it only gets notified of new transaction, and accepts these  transactions in its own time).   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2000 19:58:05 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: RE: Availability Manager * Message-ID: <38fb50ad$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  B In article <8d7bbi$es5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, d.webb@mdx.ac.uk writes:/ >Does this mean that it is blocked by routers ?    Yes. It's a L2 protocol.I But most routers can pass L2 protocols (like LAT, LAST, ...) selectively.   0 >Also how would you pass it through a Firewall ?  > You can't pass the protocol. All firewalls I know, do only IP.B However you can pass the displayed data, over HTTP over IP with AMI or over X11 over IP (or DECnet) but you loose the IP independance in your F watched machine or you need another monitor machine in the same LAN...   <IMO> K So, I'm still not seeing the advantage of AM over AMDS ? If AM at all, then G only in addition to AMDS (to feed some cookies to the Windoes friends).  </IMO>   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Apr 2000 13:57:32 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)! Subject: RE: Availability Manager 3 Message-ID: <bfj87qhN61eU@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   + In article <38fb50ad$1@news.kapsch.co.at>,  1     	eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  [...] M > So, I'm still not seeing the advantage of AM over AMDS ? If AM at all, then I > only in addition to AMDS (to feed some cookies to the Windoes friends).   H         Me too.  This seems very similar  to the replacement of DECeventH     with Compaq Analyze. :-(  You get a Java interface instead of Motif,H     in  spite  of  the fact that Java has to call X11 to  do  the  work,H     right?  As if X11 and Motif weren't bloated enough,  now  we  suffer=     from "universal byte code" performance...or lack thereof!            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:46:13 -0400 1 From: "Warren Spencer" <warren.spencer@alcan.com>  Subject: BridgeWorks Anyone?+ Message-ID: <8dfpq7$482@krdcnews.alcan.com>    Hi,   J I'm considering using DEQ's Bridgeworks/DCOM on OpenVMS to serve up legacyI data to web-based clients.  Is anyone else considering the same senseless  act? ;-)   ws     -- Warren Spencer Automation Systems Analyst Alcan Aluminum Corporation warren.spencer@alcan.comK My employer does not necessarily agreement with my opinions - neither do I.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:29:23 GMT ) From: Vincent Kurdyla <vkurdyla@home.com> > Subject: Defing Shifted or CTRL Function keys with SMG$Add_key2 Message-ID: <Xqj7OGTemBFjElEPUA3mAnWpFWAv@4ax.com>  
 Hello All,  ; I am updating some old FORTRAN code that uses SMG routines.   B Because of licensing issues, I have to remove a terminal emulationD package that mapped F11-F14 and F17-F20 and Shifted F11-F14, F17-F20  E I had no problem adding an SMG$CREATE_KEY_TABLE, and SMG$ADD_KEY_DEF, 9 then using SMG$READ_COMPOSED_LINE to get F17-F20 working.   D However I have spent hours string-searching my way around the systemD (VMS 5,5,2) and browsing through the VMS Manual on SMG routines, andD even looked at the DCL commands Manual DEFINE/KEY command to see how? to handle SHIFTED F17-F20 or CTRL F17-F20 and can find nothing.   F Is it possible to use SMG$add_key_def to define a Shifted Function KeyD or Ctrl + Function Key ??? I'd settle for LeftShift or RightShift if% they have to be defined separately...   E I am using a VXT2000 (with a LK201 keyboard I believe). As far as the B app is concerned I am doing a set term/ansi_crt/dev=vt300.........  F Any suggestions ??? (short of rewriting the app for X windows ?? which there is no time or budget)   
 Vince Kurdyla ) work e-mail       vince.kurdyla@telos.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:47:12 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>$ Subject: Re: DN-V L1 routing licence( Message-ID: <8dflt1$se1$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  J Phase V routing will work if a "traditional" DVNETRTG license is loaded orD if a NAS license with an appropriate value for the system is loaded.E Appropriate because a NAS-200 license will get you circuit routing on - low end systems but not on a high end system.   E Now I only attempted this on VAXen (mVAX II,  VAX4300, VAX4705A etc.) F I do know that you'd better run V7.1-1 or later. The early versions of DECnet Plus H on VAX and AXP VMS V7.1 were quite ugly. A simple ncl show command could	 bring the < entire system down. Never saw so much crap since 5.3 or 4.4.  
 Hans Vlems  9 Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- heeft geschreven in bericht ' <009E8BBD.473636E0@SendSpamHere.ORG>... D >In article <200004162231_MC2-A16C-1D20@compuserve.com>, "Richard B.( Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes: >>{...snip...} >>L >>        A bugcheck is not an acceptable response to any kind of licensing= >>D >>problem or to having two Ethernet adapters configured or . . . . = > K >I strongly agree.  Whether licensing issues or simple configuration script J >error, there is no reason the system should crash.  This particular crashJ >occurs during the boot and the machine required standalone booting to get5 >in to remove the configuration commands for routing.  >  >-- 3 >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001  VAXman@TMESIS.COM  > E >GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not  Usable!    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Apr 2000 13:09:26 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!3 Message-ID: <rSqxwYLTIpC9@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   - In article <38FA6070.8CE7B731@mediaone.net>,  +     	Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net> writes: H > Wrong guess.  That's why I stated it was an AS4100 - Alphaserver 4100,C > running OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2.  It's a true ROUTING Phase IV node!   )         Just to complete the loop here...   H         While there is a DECNET IV Routing license available for Alphas,H     Digipaq had said it was  only  to  support a cluster alias, correct?H     Then  from  what you've said, you must indeed have such a  Phase  IVH     Routing license installed.  And given that license, you go ahead andH     use the Alpha as a routing node, even though Digipaq doesn't support*     that mode of operation...and it works!  H         That would explain what we see.   We  have only the Phase IV EndH     Node  licenses  installed.   The  purchase price for  the  Phase  IVH     Routing license was much too high to justify given they  would  only+     support the cluster alias (supposedly).            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2000 20:48:34 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: excursion* Message-ID: <38fb5c82$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  j In article <000401bfa895$40fc4010$585b5cc0@socrates.Subway>, "Bob Ricci" <maxx0623@concentric.net> writes:L >Does anyone have compaq's excursion 3.0 for windows nt 4.0 running and ableJ >to connect to a Sun solaris 2.6 server. I keep gettingan error adding the
 >font path. >couldnt add font path /etc/dt/config/xfonts/C< >                                    /usr/dt/config/xfonts/C6 >                                   tcp/cliff.com:7100E >it then brings up the CDE desktop to Solaris asking for username and , >password but doesnt recognize the password.' >i must have an invalid path somewhere!    Can't really comment. M But have you tried the most current version of eXcursion (V7.1A ECO 1), too ?    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:32:12 GMT - From: goathunter@PROCESS.COM (Hunter Goatley) ( Subject: Re: faster/smarter FTP clients?, Message-ID: <38fb746a.30806717@news.wku.edu>  A On 16 Apr 2000 19:09:30 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David  Mathog) wrote:  J >The take home lessons are that all MGFTP users should upgrade if they are >still using older versions,  + Yep, that's why I release new versions! 8-)   D Also note that I released MGFTP V2.6-1 a couple of days ago.  V2.6-1B includes support for the SIZE command and, if available, uses thatC reported file size as the initial allocation quantity when the file  is created.   ( ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/mgftp.zip     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 8 <goathunter@PROCESS.COM>     http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Apr 00 14:08:08 -0500) From: goathunter@wku.edu (Hunter Goatley) $ Subject: FILESERV@WKU: Updated UNZIP' Message-ID: <Ua0Eme4stScK@axp1.wku.edu>   ; The following package has been updated on FILESERV@WKU.EDU, ! ftp.wku.edu, and ftp.process.com:       o UNZIP (Updated)  : 	The Info-ZIP group released UnZip V5.41 over the weekend.< 	I've added VMS binaries (object files) to the distribution.= 	It's available on WKU now, the mirrors in the next 24 hours.   = 	NOTE: UNZIP.BCK is also available, in case you want to start $ 	without using your older UNZIP.EXE.    O ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ You can get it via the World-Wide Web using a browser and any of the following URLs:   / 	http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/fileserv.html ) 	ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/unzip.zip 1 	ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/unzip.zip @ 	ftp://ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se/mirrors/wku/vms/fileserv/unzip.zip3 	ftp://ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se/wku/vms/fileserv/unzip.zip $ 	ftp://ftp.vsm.com.au/kits/unzip.zip  O ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? You can get it via anonymous ftp from ftp.wku.edu; you'll need:i  *         [.VMS]UNZIP.EXE or UNZIP.ALPHA_EXE          [.VMS.FILESERV]UNZIP.ZIP  > The file [.VMS]FILESERV.README contains a brief listing of all- the packages available under [.VMS.FILESERV].d  F The files are also available from ftp.process.com under [.WKU.VMS] and4 [.WKU.VMS.FILESERV], from ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se andG ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se under [.MIRRORS.WKU.VMS] and [.WKU.VMS.FILESERV], and " from ftp.vms.com.au under [.KITS].O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------rB To get it via e-mail, send the following commands in the body of a! mail message to FILESERV@WKU.EDU:n  ( SEND UNZIP		!Comes as 32 180-block files@ SEND FILESERV_TOOLS     !Needed if you don't have MFTU and UNZIP  D Including the command DIR ALL on a separate line will return a brief< listing of all the packages available from FILESERV@WKU.EDU.     Hunter ------8 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com8 <goathunter@PROCESS.COM>     http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:24:26 GMTe7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>GS Subject: Re: How can you find the exact size of a file in bytes using a VMScommand?e- Message-ID: <38FBD62A.2DC08794@earthlink.net>P   Rick wrote:e > D > Sorry to ask such a stupid question, but I have been searching andG > connot figure it out. I want to know the exact size (number of bytes)oA > of a(ny) file in VMS? Is it possible or is the finest degree ofr* > granularity a block?  Thanks in advance. > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    Take a look at:-  ; http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/freeware.html#vms_dos7  H The PCDIR.COM procedure illustrates how to do this. Over-simplified, youD take the "EOF" size minus one block (or zero, which ever is greater). times 512, plus the First Free Byte minus one.  D Now, this is only semi-meaningful since variable record length filesC include a two-byte length attribute preceding every record. This isSD roughly equivalent to Stream format files. Indexed files include the@ index structure within the "EOF size". So, what you "see" is not necessarily what you get.n  G Note that in the case of multi-header files, the additional headers areiE not included in the allocated or EOF sizes. So, this doesn't skew thep numbers.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems " http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/f   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:14:23 GMT / From: Hans.Bachner@altavista.net (Hans Bachner)s# Subject: Re: how test the network ?t+ Message-ID: <38fb9a5c.35813457@news.aon.at>.  N First try - get rid of any "autosense" settings on both the network card (DS20P console) and the switch. Set all of them to Fast-FullDuplex and see if it helps.   Regards,    : ---------------- speaking only for myself ---------------- Hans Bachner Compaq Computer Austria + Compaq Customer Services - Software Supportr E-Mail: Hans.Bachner@compaq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:29:17 -0400i/ From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com>n2 Subject: Re: How to map PCI configuration register+ Message-ID: <8dfvln$o2l$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>o  F >>> "Carl Gunnar Linden, MSL Sweden." <system@msi.se> wrote in message' >>> news:009E8976.923D19AC.55@msi.se...h  H >>> Does anyone know how to use the system service routine SYS$CRMPSC toF >>> map the configuration register of a device on the PCI-bus in a PWS 500au?  L Yes, it is possible to use SYS$CRMPSC to access PCI config space.  You wouldH need to know the platform-specific base address of the PCI config space. Thesen( addresses should be defined in LIB, i.e.  < $ lib/extr=pyxisdef/out=pyxisdef.h sys$library:sys$lib_c.tlb  G However, I agree with Fred.  It's best to use ioc$read_pci_config() and0H ioc$write_pci_config() from within a device drive.  These routines allowL read/write access to PCI config space without knowledge of platform-specific
 base address.i  ? It might even be possible to call ioc$ routines after a CMKRNL,-H but I wouldn't guarantee it.  You need access to a CRB data structure to call ioc$ routines.     Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporationc! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14- 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698  Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com@   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:04:52 GMTD From: kparris@my-deja.como Subject: Re: HSJ80 experience?) Message-ID: <8dfjnp$612$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  0 "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:F > I like the idea of the HSJ80 having two CI ports, but you still haveE > to assign individual disks/arrays to a particular CI on the HSJ.  IrD > was hoping that it could somehow miraculously use both CIs to pump@ > twice the IO to a single disk array, but that is not the case.  C This isn't what I'm told.  Here's a recent exchange with Ken Bates: E ---------------------------------------------------------------------rE From:	IN%"Ken.Bates@COMPAQ.com"  "Bates, Ken" 10-MAR-2000 14:00:47.88 2 To:	IN%"PARRIS@Eisner.DECUS.Org"  "'Keith Parris'" Subj:	RE: HSJ80 question  	 Hi Keith,-  F You're correct, you can set the unit to be visible as you desire. YourF choices are none, read, or full (read/write). This can be set per unitE and per port. If you have access from 2 ports you have to be careful,rA since without some form of lock management and or cache coherencybF software, you can end up with data consistency problems. No issue with the HSJ; this is an OS issue.T    - Ken   -----Original Message-----3 From: Keith Parris [mailto:PARRIS@Eisner.DECUS.Org]e" Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:43 To: Bates, Ken Subject: HSJ80 questiony  C Just a quick question on the HSJ80.  If desired, you can get access C to the same set of units from both CI ports, right?  (as opposed ton> access to different sub-sets of units to support two different clusters on the same HSJ80s).M  ? We've been constrained in terms of VMS node count because we've B wanted to avoid VMS MSCP-serving of storage, and it occurred to meA today that the HSJ80 might basically allow us to connect twice asMA many VMS nodes to the same storage without any need for VMS MSCP-e@ serving.  We can then use other star couplers to connect the two= sub-sets of VMS nodes for connection manager and lock managerRC traffic.  This also allows us to subdivide the I/O traffic into twoh: sets of star couplers, for potentially greater throughput.A -----------------------------------------------------------------P  A > At any rate, you need multiple CI adapters on your host to take9" > advantage of that major feature.   Or multiple hosts.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------1G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospam F VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:13:07 -0400 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>K Subject: Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for  Dummies" ? 6 Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000417201047.01d1da00@24.8.96.48>  3 At 07:20 PM 4/17/00 -0400, Andrew C. Stoffel wrote:e? >It doesn't even have to be a book... a couple pages on coaxingm< >DEC C to compile something that supposedly compiles withoutD >complaint on half a dozen other OS's (Unix, Linux, Mac OS, NT, etc) >would be helpful. >S= >[The particular software that is frustrating me is Squeak, a > >  free Smalltalk distribution. I get a LARGE number of errors; >  similar to the following when trying to compile just oner* >  portion of the entire thing (interp.c): >. >   int errorWrongIndex(void) {- >   ^eA >   %CC-W-MISSINGRETURN, Non-void function "errorWrongIndex" doess# >   not contain a return statement.r >AA >And there are an awful lot of these.... the syntax seems to be a C >feature that other C compilers ( gcc for example) have no problemsyD >with.... and following the advice of the DEC C help, to add returns? >to all of the functions that exhibit this behavior, could takes? >me (with my limited C ability) weeks/months. Unless there's any >easier way...]t  J You're being bitten by horribly lazy coding practices. Adding a return in F really is the best way to go. You could also turn off that particular F warning or, if you're feeling adventurous, *all* warnings by adding a E /NOWARN flag to the CC command. (Or define a symbol CC :== CC/NOWARN)   $ >[ oh yeah... DEC C 5.7, VMS 7.2-1 ] >NC >Suggestions are welcome.... (even directions to the relevant pages  >in the DEC C documentation.)   H Check out the /warn switch docs, and search through the C docs for this E error. You should find the magic to turn that particular warning off.n   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------n2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evene;                                       teddy bears get drunko   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:20:11 -0400s/ From: "Andrew C. Stoffel" <acs@cyberportal.net>uF Subject: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ?D Message-ID: <acs-F75F0E.19201117042000@premium.news.fcgnetworks.net>  > It doesn't even have to be a book... a couple pages on coaxing; DEC C to compile something that supposedly compiles without C complaint on half a dozen other OS's (Unix, Linux, Mac OS, NT, etc)h would be helpful.u  < [The particular software that is frustrating me is Squeak, a<  free Smalltalk distribution. I get a LARGE number of errors:  similar to the following when trying to compile just one (  portion of the entire thing (interp.c):     int errorWrongIndex(void) {    ^s@   %CC-W-MISSINGRETURN, Non-void function "errorWrongIndex" does !   not contain a return statement.o  A And there are an awful lot of these.... the syntax seems to be a  B feature that other C compilers ( gcc for example) have no problemsC with.... and following the advice of the DEC C help, to add returns > to all of the functions that exhibit this behavior, could take? me (with my limited C ability) weeks/months. Unless there's an S easier way...]    # [ oh yeah... DEC C 5.7, VMS 7.2-1 ]r  B Suggestions are welcome.... (even directions to the relevant pages in the DEC C documentation.)   Thanks.A   -Andy-   -- rH ------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:18:41 -0700m! From: LBohan@spam..less.dbc...com}J Subject: Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ?8 Message-ID: <tgdnfssnju4bh7rgdngvfd61jo30jidg8u@4ax.com>  7 On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:20:11 -0400, "Andrew C. Stoffel"e <acs@cyberportal.net> wrote:  A >  %CC-W-MISSINGRETURN, Non-void function "errorWrongIndex" does T" >  not contain a return statement. >eB >And there are an awful lot of these.... the syntax seems to be a C >feature that other C compilers ( gcc for example) have no problemsVD >with.... and following the advice of the DEC C help, to add returns? >to all of the functions that exhibit this behavior, could take @ >me (with my limited C ability) weeks/months. Unless there's an  >easier way...]   @ the newest versions of the C compiler are (a bit) less pedantic < in their default warning levels, and v6.2 was supposed to be% more forgiving of various GCC quirks.d  : perhaps try /WARN=(DIS=PORTABLE) to lower the noise level;  > you can also insert #pragmas to enable/disable varying levels % of pickiness around sections of code.v   read up on /WARN at:  C http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/c/5492p001.htm#index_x_28t  D http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/c/5492p006.htm#index_x_195   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 05:06:49 +0200p2 From: martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE (Martin Vorlaender)J Subject: Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ?; Message-ID: <38fbd149.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>h  . Andrew C. Stoffel (acs@cyberportal.net) wrote:@ : It doesn't even have to be a book... a couple pages on coaxing= : DEC C to compile something that supposedly compiles withoutEE : complaint on half a dozen other OS's (Unix, Linux, Mac OS, NT, etc)e : would be helpful.e  ; IMHO, you can't do anything but fix sloppy *ix programming.u   :   int errorWrongIndex(void) {) :   ^ B :   %CC-W-MISSINGRETURN, Non-void function "errorWrongIndex" does # :   not contain a return statement.2 : C : And there are an awful lot of these.... the syntax seems to be a 5D : feature that other C compilers ( gcc for example) have no problems
 : with....  G No. It's just sloppy programming - that is tolerated by other compilerstC because of their pre-ANSI history. If they'd switched on gcc's ANSI < compliance mode, I'm sure it would have bombed out the same.  < : and following the advice of the DEC C help, to add returns@ : to all of the functions that exhibit this behavior, could take. : me (with my limited C ability) weeks/months.  > Who said that porting (or ANSIfying) *ix software is easy? :-)  " : Unless there's an easier way...]  F You could add a /WARNING=(DISABLE=MISSINGRETURN) to the CC qualifiers.@ But this only suppresses the warning - if the functions' returnsC (that the 'int' promises there is, or else the return type would be D 'void', wouldn't it?) is used somewhere, your program could blow up.   cu,i   Martin --D                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.de H   KNOW where you want  |        http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:56:34 -04008, From: "Timothy Stark" <sword7@speakeasy.org>' Subject: Looking for VAX Arch. Handbooke9 Message-ID: <K7QK4.155588$Pa1.3881448@news6.giganews.com>E   Hello folks:  E I am looking for VAX Arch. Handbook (1986 or later) right now.  Do itoH include complete assembly language information?  That's why I want studyI that for my emulator developement.  Yes, I found VAX open-source emulatorE- software in Linux-based sourceforge web site.m  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:47:37 +0930e/ From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>T' Subject: Re: Mailer question in OpenVMSs/ Message-ID: <38FB7F70.5B703440@wasd.vsm.com.au>r  I > Is there a way that I cab mail an atteched HTML file with OpenVMS MAIL?I  O If you have a VMS Web server available (WASD, OSU, Purveyor) you could use v1.3  of yahMAIL.i     http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/  E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ D  Mark Daniel            Opinions my own ... and on loan from others.E  mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)SE +-------------------------------------------------------------------+-   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Apr 2000 19:45:34 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: Maximum Password Lengths 6 Message-ID: <8dfpku$n1a$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  s In article <taterskins-ya023480001304002316350001@news.patriot.net>, taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate) writes: L :In article <38F683BD.5D94523C@mediaone.net>, Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net> :wrote: I :> The theory behind a double password is that you need 2 PEOPLE - one toaI :> enter each password.  Therefore, it does not make sense to do a DECnet 3 :> file copy with the password in the command line.-  
   Correct.  F :> A double password was never intended as a replacement for a single,G :> longer password.  There ain't a hope in hell that anyone can break aeH :> properly used (re-read the last 2 words before correcting me on this)  :> 32-character single password.  
   Correct.  L :I found the double password feature very useful for the high-priv accounts,F :e.g. SYSTEM. Of course it forces the the use of a more-or-less directL :terminal connection, although if I needed access to the SYSTEM account fromL :another system, I could always log in via an unprived account and then do a$ :SET HOST 0 for a prived login. YMMV  L   As Ed stated, the double-password mechanism is intended for use in OpenVMSL   processing environments where no one user can be (should be) trusted with J   access to a particular (and usually fully privileged) username -- where H   two people must be present at all times while a privileged username isI   logged in.  This mechanism is not intended as a way to achieve a longerAH   password, nor particularly as a way to prevent access from particular J   sources.  (In the latter case, you will want to consider the use of the J   login sourcing mechanisms in SYSUAF -- see AUTHORIZE command qualifiers *   such as /REMOTE, /NETWORK, /LOCAL, etc.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:11:02 GMTe2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)% Subject: Re: Maximum Password Lengths-' Message-ID: <2000Apr17.161102.1@eisner>   k In article <8dfpku$n1a$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:M  N >   As Ed stated, the double-password mechanism is intended for use in OpenVMSN >   processing environments where no one user can be (should be) trusted with L >   access to a particular (and usually fully privileged) username -- where J >   two people must be present at all times while a privileged username is >   logged in.  A Of course "fully privileged" is only meaningful if you are trying ? to control operating system resources.  Please feel free to usen? dual-password on those accounts that have normal VMS privileges = but happen to have access to the nuclear reactor controls :-)N   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Apr 2000 19:01 CSTs' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o% Subject: Re: Maximum Password Lengths - Message-ID: <17APR200019014179@gerg.tamu.edu>e  7 du651@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Joseph Ballantyne) writes...e* }Carl Perkins (carl@gerg.tamu.edu) writes:= }>The password...hashed version...is always a 32 bit integer.i } 	 }64 bits.)   Oops.n   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:18:19 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> 3 Subject: Re: monitor modes what do this stats mean?h( Message-ID: <38FB5563.A836FC41@ohio.edu>  H Your machine is sometimes CPU-bound, but on the average is loafing.  The system overhead is modest.  #                                 RDPh  
 Joe wrote:  3 >                           OpenVMS Monitor Utilityt5 >                             TIME IN PROCESSOR MODES4. >                                  on node joe5 >                             17-APR-2000 08:14:32.68r >tM >                                        CUR        AVE        MIN        MAXo >TM >     Interrupt State                   0.66       1.32       0.00       9.00. >tM >     MP Synchronization                0.00       0.00       0.00       0.00v >oM >     Kernel Mode                       1.66       7.62       0.00      58.00s >tM >     Executive Mode                    0.66       4.49       0.00      28.33m >dM >     Supervisor Mode                   0.66       0.12       0.00       3.00r >nM >     User Mode                        96.00       8.22       0.00      99.00, >dM >     Compatibility Mode                0.00       0.00       0.00       0.00  >RM >     Idle Time                         0.00      78.20       0.00     100.00n >e >                  Thanks!   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:39:00 GMTh' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> , Subject: Re: Mozilla-bin and pthread problem- Message-ID: <38FBA091.2D309EF5@theblakes.com>f  R Occasional crashes are unfortunately a fact of life with pre-beta software. If youP find a bug that's reproducible, you should check Bugzilla and if its not already reported, then enter it.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Apr 2000 20:23:15 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: New VMS books coming out 6 Message-ID: <8dfrrj$pe2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Q In article <8d6t8g$v63$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:a= : OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies is out now. t : Anyone seen it yet?   I   Yes, I have seen it.  You will want to request copies of the book from gI   your Compaq sales representative or Compaq reseller, or pick one up at .D   a Compaq tradeshow.  This book is *not* available at Amazon, etc.   F   (If your Compaq representative or reseller is not familiar with the F   book or does not know how to acquire it for you, please ask them to J   request part number 11N3-0200A-WWEN in the (Compaq-internal) literature    ordering system.))  H   I've asked that information on this book be posted in the "books" area   of the OpenVMS website...S  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:38:41 GMTw0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>% Subject: Re: New VMS books coming outg& Message-ID: <Ft6MG3.LH0@world.std.com>  8 "Clayton Kroh" <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> wrote in message% news:38F4887E.92A0B8CB@clarion.edu...gE > I have had the Introduction to Open VMS by Lesley Ogilvie Rice book-I > ($39.95) on order with Amazon since 12/3/99 when it was stated that thekI > book would be published in December. I haven't received any information-I > as to the status of the order. Guess I will wait until June to see if Il	 > get it.V  H I don't know how long you'll have to wait... I did a review of the final draft a couple of months ago.'   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:07:10 GMTo" From: Art Rice <arice@ue.itug.org> Subject: NT Breaks Again8 Message-ID: <utumfsss37pstbdhc0519e359lgqu4ftij@4ax.com>   Ya just gotta love NT security:0  1 http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1707928.htmls     -- .
 Art Rice   *#R# Special Data Processing Corporationg& --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do  % not reflect the views of my employer.    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Apr 2000 19:32:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Certification6 Message-ID: <8dforq$n1a$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <009E8966.B4645B14@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:\ :In article <8d6hfr$hep$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:G :>Guys, what do you say?  If you could make your current salary or the oK :>same salary as, say, Hoff (whichever is higher) and Compaq would pay you gI :>to continue your VMS development you've been doing up until now in the <' :>context of freeware, would you do it?s :t) :What makes you think Hoff gets paid?  ;)   E   Much like my participation here in the newsgroups, I was not asked wE   to work on nor to maintain the OpenVMS Freeware CD -- I effectively .   volunteered for the job, in other words...    H   That said, I have been officially asked to update (newer versions of) E   at least two of the packages presently available on the Freeware...s   	--s  I   Returning to the OpenVMS certification discussion that started off the nH   thread, there *is* an OpenVMS exam available.  Please see the OpenVMS 3   FAQ for details and for pointers to an example...r  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:41:27 -0400-0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Percent of time spent training ? - Message-ID: <38FBBD2B.FC9606@vl.videotron.ca>   J Even though I have been playing with VMS for a long time, I find I have toM constantly spend time to tune up my skills both VMS and in the rest of the ITr3 industry (web, wap, xml, perl, oracle etc etc etc).]    K Is there some sort of industry number to determine how much time one shoulde2 spend honing one's skills versus just using them ?  M I feel I have to constantly try to keep up and catch up, and I wonder if I am-D alone or if everyone is also in what seems to be an impossible race.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:40:15 GMTE0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>, Subject: Re: Request for Wildfire/Galaxy URL& Message-ID: <Ft6MIn.Ltt@world.std.com>  9 "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messagep! news:2000Apr13.153202.1@eisner....: > In article <38F234D1.C0C1C63D@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei) <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:. > > "Arthur E. Ragosta" wrote:@ > >> > Is there such a magic URL hidden away in Digital's site ? > >>C > >> http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/announce/oct99_preview.htmlj > >RK > > I guess I did ask for a "magic" URL... I obviouslt don't have the righteH > > incantation and magic trick because that page appears to me with a : > >kJ > >                         stay tuned to this page for a big announcement coming! > >                         soon!f >tG > This has just changed in the past few days. It was there earlier this  week.lB > I expect the GS80, GS160, and GS320 announcement is days away... >d > Bob Kaplow >e  J Yep, if I were to speculate, I'd speculate that the date will be after May 15 and before May 17.   
 Charlie Matcor   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:57:29 -0300u1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>  Subject: RE: Security questionK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A6D57AA@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>l  J Of course you can, check out HELP SET SECURITY/ACL or the Guide to OpenVMSK system Security.  You can also put a section in the LOGIN.COM file to checkt' F$MODE for NETWORK and act accordingly.s - Darren   > ----------4 > From: 	Peter Jones[SMTP:news@pkjones0.demon.co.uk]' > Sent: 	Monday, April 17, 2000 1:59 PMn > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	Security questionh > L > We have a requirement at work to allow a number of users to ftp files onto+ > an Alpha with the following restrictions: < > - They need to be able to ftp files to a single directory.7 > - They must not have access to any other directories.o$ > - Each user has his own directory.H > - In addition, another completely independent process must have "rwed"+ > privileges on all these user directories.. > L > I have been told that this is not possible under VMS, the last point being > the problem. Is this true? > / > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.p > Pete >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theymL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying> of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudauF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:49:31 +0200s" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Security question( Message-ID: <8dfm1c$sht$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  ? Besides using ACL's, my feeling is that what you want is pretty/2 well possible with standard UIC based protections.D You might want to create some FTP_only accounts in authorize though.  
 Hans Vlems  ' Peter Jones heeft geschreven in berichtt7 <955990732.7807.0.nnrp-14.9e98fc27@news.demon.co.uk>... K >We have a requirement at work to allow a number of users to ftp files ontoo* >an Alpha with the following restrictions:; >- They need to be able to ftp files to a single directory.r6 >- They must not have access to any other directories.# >- Each user has his own directory. G >- In addition, another completely independent process must have "rwed"u* >privileges on all these user directories. >-K >I have been told that this is not possible under VMS, the last point beingu >the problem. Is this true?  >s. >Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. >Pete< >l >o >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:28:42 GMTs From: hobbsb@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Security question) Message-ID: <8dfl47$7tu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  G > We have a requirement at work to allow a number of users to ftp filesO onto+ > an Alpha with the following restrictions: < > - They need to be able to ftp files to a single directory.7 > - They must not have access to any other directories.-$ > - Each user has his own directory.H > - In addition, another completely independent process must have "rwed"+ > privileges on all these user directories.   D You may want to create an account from which to run the "independentG process" - let's call this account "LOCAL".  Log in as LOCAL and createtF a directory for an outside user in LOCAL's login directory.  Create anE account for the outside user and make the login directory the same astE the directory under LOCAL.  Put an ACL on the directory to allow thisy/ outside user to create files in this directory.i  H All this could be put into command procedure and run by an appropriately privileged account.g  @ I believe that the security may be better this way and easier to	 maintain.y  F If other files or directories have world read and write, I don't think< there's much you can do to protect it ... if they find them.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:29:11 +0100 : From: "Steve Freegard" <stevenf@alpha-centori.demon.co.uk>C Subject: Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3bA Message-ID: <955999311.19338.0.nnrp-11.c1ed965a@news.demon.co.uk>s   Hi,w  K I was wondering if anybody knows how to send MIME attachments under VMS.  IoJ have tried MAIL/FOREIGN but this seems to preserve the VMS file format and. make text files impossible to read in Windoze.  H Basically what I am trying to do is send out mail from VMS with multipleL spool files attached, so the recipient can view/print the report in Windows.   Thanks in advanceu     Steve Freegard   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:03:06 -0400i4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>G Subject: Re: Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3a+ Message-ID: <8dg591$ofv$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>i    Take a look at the mime utility.   $ MIME :==$sys$system:mime $ mime  
 Take care,  - mark.  C Steve Freegard <stevenf@alpha-centori.demon.co.uk> wrote in message1; news:955999311.19338.0.nnrp-11.c1ed965a@news.demon.co.uk...> > Hi,c >RE > I was wondering if anybody knows how to send MIME attachments unders VMS.  I4H > have tried MAIL/FOREIGN but this seems to preserve the VMS file format and.0 > make text files impossible to read in Windoze. >.A > Basically what I am trying to do is send out mail from VMS witho multipleE > spool files attached, so the recipient can view/print the report inS Windows. >w > Thanks in advance  >h >a > Steve Freegard >t >  >s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:07:35 -0400b0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?/ Message-ID: <38FB52E1.D3BD4B8D@vl.videotron.ca>o  I Years ago, when I was involved with Decus Canada, they had a symposium inoN Vancouver (I beleive 1989). The thing was such a success that they had to hire$ another boat for the harbour cruise.  M Why ? Because when you have something you want, you will find ways to justifyo7 it to your bosses and work hard to get their approval. n  N But if there is something you do not want, you will find all possible pitfalls to justify NOT going there.n  L VMS must position itself so that people WANT it. If it is just left there toK stand on its own technical merit, the only customers that will buy into VMS L are the ones who have no choice because VMS is their only possible solution.G With the dwindling software availability on VMS, that niche will becomeaK smaller and smaller. And with more of VMS's formerly "niche" software beingtS ported to other platforms, VMS's niches will become battlegrounds with competition.t  I Because of VMS's pricing and "VMS is dead image", it is extremely easy todL exclude VMS from any serious considerations in shops. Why should they investK in a little known solution whose lifespan is measured in years before deathn( instead of years before it gets stable ?  H Does Microsoft or Sun feel compelled to state that they will continue toK support their proprietary operating systems for at least 5 years ? Why does:  Compaq need to do that for VMS ?J Instead of garanteeing support for 5 years to alleviate the "VMS is dying"N image, why doesn't Comapq do somthing to kill the "VMS is dead" image once and	 for all ?t  H Until people WANT vms, VMS won't succeed other than its existing captive shrinking niche market.oM Once people WANT vms, they will find ways to justify taking the risk of goinga< VMS instead of taking the "sure/safe" solutions for NT/UNIX.  2 After all, has anyone been fired for choosing NT ?  3 NT is to VMS today what MVS was to VMS in the 80s. y  M In both cases, it was considered a "risk" to stray from the de-facto standardeL and go VMS. But in the 80s, it was so easy for DEC to beat IBM's prices thatN VMS made quite a bit of inroads. Heck, DEC was even able to jack up its pricesJ to "look" more serious when bidding against IBM. (That was, of course, itsM downfall because it was so focused on IBM mainframes that it was blindsighted0L by the rest of the industry zipping at light speed well below the DEC clouds, which quickly transformed into falling rain.    I So, if Compaq can get it into their heads that the market considers VMS a K risk, then perhaps Comapq will realise that it must price VMS competitively1M and market it agressively so that customer see the risk as manageable insteadcL of seing any investment into VMS a waste of money because VMS has no future.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2000 20:11:50 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)= Subject: Re: Sun's challenge to Compaq's high-end Sales Staff * Message-ID: <38fb53e6$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  T In article <2000Apr14.105237.1@eisner>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:f >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1692555.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.1003-200-1692555?st.ne.fd.gif.c > O >Sun boasted of being ahead of competitors. "We are beating IBM with their S80s N >right and left," Zander said, referring to IBM's new top-end Unix server. SunM >hasn't had a stronger quarter against Hewlett-Packard. And regarding Compaq, K >"The entire sales force seems to have disappeared" for high-end equipment,t
 >Zander said.  >	 >	Compaq has disappeared.   # Q disappeared just like DEC before.r  B >                               Bet they reappear with a vengence.  $ Why ? Will COMPAQ be bought by SUN ?  B Oh, you mean the new wildfire servers. Will they change anything ?G Applications for Alphas die and die. New servers will run the remaining C faster but how many people will buy them (at this premium prices) ?    Sigh   -- T< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:38:30 GMTk0 From: sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn Malone) Subject: SWXCR Controller Cardsa1 Message-ID: <38fb752b.265100624@news.starnet.net>u   Hi all,g  0 I wanted to see if anyone can give me a hand.     E I have an Alphaserver 400 4/166 with 2 Internal Drives and 2 ExternalrD SWXCR Controllers running off an internal 3-Channel SWXCR Controller Card.c  E I would like to move the Card and SWXCR Controllers to an AlphaServeraF 1000A 5/400.  Does anyone know if the Card in the 400 will work in the 1000A.  > Any help or questions can be sent via -email or to this group.  
 Thanks All   Shawn Malone   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:56:43 GMTo From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: SWXCR Controller Cards.& Message-ID: <38FB7A8A.A6A6CBD@home.nl>   Shawn Malone wrote:, > 	 > Hi all,  > / > I wanted to see if anyone can give me a hand.r > G > I have an Alphaserver 400 4/166 with 2 Internal Drives and 2 ExternalmF > SWXCR Controllers running off an internal 3-Channel SWXCR Controller > Card.  > G > I would like to move the Card and SWXCR Controllers to an AlphaServeriH > 1000A 5/400.  Does anyone know if the Card in the 400 will work in the > 1000A.  G Yes, why not. You may want to update the firmware of the SWXCR to V2.16 	 (EISA) ori V2.70 (PCI).   regards,   Dirk > @ > Any help or questions can be sent via -email or to this group. >  > Thanks All >  > Shawn Malone   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2000 14:20:30 -0700* From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)# Subject: Re: SWXCR Controller Cardsm, Message-ID: <YnwfNALgm6QZ@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  2 In article <38fb752b.265100624@news.starnet.net>, 6     sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn Malone) writes: > 2 > I wanted to see if anyone can give me a hand.    > G > I have an Alphaserver 400 4/166 with 2 Internal Drives and 2 ExternalsF > SWXCR Controllers running off an internal 3-Channel SWXCR Controller > Card.n > G > I would like to move the Card and SWXCR Controllers to an AlphaServereH > 1000A 5/400.  Does anyone know if the Card in the 400 will work in the > 1000A. > @     Can you be a bit more specific about exactly what you've got' (part numbers, etc ). What O/S version?u  B    There are two kinds of SWXCR controllers that I'm aware of. The; "internal" kind ( which I think you are referring to as the < 3-Channel SWXCR controller card ) are relabeled Mylex DAC960B raid controllers. These contain up to 3 SCSI busses and build raidA arrays from the devices on those buses. There are also "external"a@ SWXCR raid controllers ( such as the Raid array 310 ). These are@ stand-alone units where the disks and raid controller are in the> same box - they connect to a host via a fast,wide,differential= SCSI bus. To use these you need a FWD SCSI controller in youreD host system ( such as a KZPSA ). Raid sets on an external controllerA look just like normal SCSI disks to the host ( ie they show up asd DKxnnn: devices ).  I   There shouldn't be a problem using either of these types of controllersrE with an Alphaserver 1000A, though there might be some restrictions aseA to which backplane slot you can install the controller card into.w   > Thanks All >  > Shawn Malone   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:31:28 +1200w6 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz># Subject: Re: SWXCR Controller Cardsv0 Message-ID: <BxRK4.7503$5D.16828@ozemail.com.au>  8 We have an RA200 swxcr card and it is in an alpha 1000a.F We can't upgrade the firmware past 2.42, ans we get weird disk errrorsC on 2.49. ie when vms starts, it says that there are 8 optimal disksn? and 65000 faulty disks. I may try this again as I have replacedM( the external storage boxes with another.  B We also seem to have fault lights on the disks that aren't faults.  J A restriction of this card is that it can't address more than 32gb of disk storage.  H The 1000a doesn't have a video card, so you have to learn how to run theI swxcr software in serial mode. the trick is to use crtl b, left [ and TABf  G I have gotten pretty good at using the software now. I can send you the  software if it is of any help.i  
 Cheers Antonyv        = "Shawn Malone" <sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org> wrote in messageo+ news:38fb752b.265100624@news.starnet.net...b	 > Hi all,  >t/ > I wanted to see if anyone can give me a hand., >aG > I have an Alphaserver 400 4/166 with 2 Internal Drives and 2 ExternaleF > SWXCR Controllers running off an internal 3-Channel SWXCR Controller > Card.  >eG > I would like to move the Card and SWXCR Controllers to an AlphaServer-H > 1000A 5/400.  Does anyone know if the Card in the 400 will work in the > 1000A. >-@ > Any help or questions can be sent via -email or to this group. >y > Thanks All >n > Shawn Malone   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:09:57 GMT@) From: Vincent Kurdyla <vkurdyla@home.com>s
 Subject: Testw2 Message-ID: <Caj7ONcoO7oGBg3F5bQdVfaoqlD6@4ax.com>   Is it getting out ??   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:18:23 -0500t) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>> Subject: Re: Testg. Message-ID: <sfnkl7ss7l511@corp.supernews.com>    Vincent Kurdyla wrote in message, news:Caj7ONcoO7oGBg3F5bQdVfaoqlD6@4ax.com... > Is it getting out ??   Is what getting out?   Is it dangerous?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:34:11 GMT: From: dieselfuel@my-deja.com) Subject: VMS System Manager Certificationo' Message-ID: <8dgai3$g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   E We've added dozens of new questions to our online database.  The teste is FREE!:             http://www.networkessentials.com/certified/vms  E We've had some good feedback and have improved the quality of several,. questions. Thanks to all who have contributed.  G We're also trying to fill some VMS Systems Specialists positions in the > RTP area of North Carolina (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill).  If' interested, please send your resume to::  ,                   jobs@networkessentials.com   jc    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:28:32 +0930.A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>E# Subject: Re: Web server for VAX/VMS 0 Message-ID: <xdQK4.7464$5D.16577@ozemail.com.au>  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message # news:38FAF8C1.613D8457@gtech.com...m > Dave Pampreen wrote:E > > I have a VAX 7820 and a MicroVAX 3190.  I would like to put a webs	 server oneD > > them.  Most of the reading I have done says ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA... > >bH > > Does anyone know of one for VAX?    I don't quite have the luxury to get an0 > > alpha just yet, but give me a bit of time :) > C > I know that OSU works fine on VMS VAX. I am also pretty sure thate > WASD works fine on VMS VAX.s  ; I'm running WASD on a Vax 6440 under VMS 6.0 at the moment.bF It works very well, and the price is right.  ie Free, and it has a lot ofB features that don't exist in OSU.   (Comes with Yahmail, Web basedD access to VMS mail using SSL for instance, AND a HTTP Proxy server.)  ? > And that is probably the two most widely used HTTPD's on VMS.n   I'd have to agree.  A > Only the ones from Compaq seems to have problems with VMS VAX !t   Why doesn't that surprise me.n   Cheers  
 Geoff Robertst Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,  South Australiat6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.216 ************************