1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 18 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 217       Contents:; Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2. ; Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2. ; Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2. 6 Re: Anyone running IngresII V2.0 and Alpha VMS 7.1-2 ? RE: Availability Manager Re: Availability Manager Re: BridgeWorks Anyone? 0 Re: Compaq FORTRAN: bring back /CROSS_REFERENCE.0 Re: Compaq FORTRAN: bring back /CROSS_REFERENCE.0 Re: Compaq FORTRAN: bring back /CROSS_REFERENCE. Re: CXML and SETI  Re: CXML and SETI  DEC still in the news!!  Re: DEC still in the news!! 9 Re: Defing Shifted or CTRL Function keys with SMG$Add_key ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! + Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"? 
 Re: excursion  how to kill NSLOOKUP?!" Re: Is sys$dclexh ever not called?" Re: Is sys$dclexh ever not called?" Re: Is sys$dclexh ever not called?B Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for  Dummies" ?A Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ? A Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ? " LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflections& Re: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflections" Re: Looking for VAX Arch. Handbook" Re: Looking for VAX Arch. Handbook Re: New VMS books coming out Re: New VMS books coming out Re: NT Breaks Again  Re: NT Breaks Again  Re: NT Breaks Again  Re: NT Breaks Again / Re: Open source, was: re: So who will buy VMS ?  Re: out through the in door $ Re: Percent of time spent training ?$ Re: Percent of time spent training ?  Re: Portable unformatted files 2  Re: Portable unformatted files 2L Re: possibly off-topic: where to get sensible (non-graphical) free WWW emailL Re: possibly off-topic: where to get sensible (non-graphical) free WWW email question about printers $ Rich Text File Print drivers for VMS( Re: Rich Text File Print drivers for VMS$ Seagate ST41600 in MicroVAX 3100/90? Re: Security question > Re: Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3> Re: Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3> Re: Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3% Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert! & Re: Sun considers VMS a "mainframe" OS4 Re: Sun's challenge to Compaq's high-end Sales Staff Re: SWXCR Controller Cards Re: SWXCR Controller Cards Re: Test Unknow unser Re: Unknow unser VMS and MIME: Next episode ???" Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???" Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???" Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???" Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???" Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???" Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???& Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ??? BIS Re: Web server for VAX/VMS8 Re: What are some reasons for different size executables% Re: What is  %SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT error ? 6 Re: Why are there no French people in this newsgroup ?2 [Fwd: Open source, was: re: So who will buy VMS ?]% [Fwd: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:59:40 GMT * From: Gord Coulman <gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca>D Subject: Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2., Message-ID: <38FC6367.E49E3F7A@ccinet.ab.ca>  K In my experience, DLTs are cleaner and more reliable that DAT. Easily worth  the price delta.   Gord   "Hans M. Aus" wrote:  B > Currently we use a TLZ09 DAT drive for our nightly backups on an8 > Alpha/OVMS system, which works fine for our operation. > G > In the near futher we'll need to backup additional data which I would J > prefer to store on separate tapes. Furthermore, to prevent mixing up theK > tapes, I am thinking about using tapes which have a different form factor L > than the DAT tapes. At the present, the additional data increases at about > 10MBytes per year. >  > QUESTION:  > K > What tape drives are supported by OVMS 7.2 on an Alpha and cost about the  > same as a TLZ09 drive? >  > --D > Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:08:27 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> D Subject: Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2.) Message-ID: <38FC6C5B.132409D4@gtech.com>    Gord Coulman wrote: M > In my experience, DLTs are cleaner and more reliable that DAT. Easily worth  > the price delta.  E DLT is both faster and much more reliable than DAT, but the price for > drives is more than x5 and also tapes are much more expensive.  @ So if the specific needs can be met by DAT and money is an issue) (it usually is !), then DAT is an option.    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:28:21 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) D Subject: Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2.0 Message-ID: <8dhuul$aoj$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  i In article <38FC6C5B.132409D4@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  >Gord Coulman wrote:N >> In my experience, DLTs are cleaner and more reliable that DAT. Easily worth >> the price delta.  > F >DLT is both faster and much more reliable than DAT, but the price for? >drives is more than x5 and also tapes are much more expensive.  > A >So if the specific needs can be met by DAT and money is an issue * >(it usually is !), then DAT is an option.  N My experience with DATs has been very good since a few years now. But I always used quality drives and tapes.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 16:05:35 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ? Subject: Re: Anyone running IngresII V2.0 and Alpha VMS 7.1-2 ? H Message-ID: <y4purnqzbk.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  B John Cowell <john.p.cowellNOjoSPAM@btinternet.com.invalid> writes:  M > CA say that this version of Ingres is OK with Alpha VMS 7.1 and 7.2 but not 
 > with 7.1-2.   N Sounds very fishy as the difference between the two is that 7.1-2 consolidatesN a number of patches (and support for additional hardware) that you could - and" should - put onto your 7.1 system.   	Jan   ------------------------------  / Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:06:50 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>! Subject: RE: Availability Manager / Message-ID: <200004180805.KAA31588@fom.fgan.de>    Hello,   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrotes:    >>> K So, I'm still not seeing the advantage of AM over AMDS ? If AM at all, then G only in addition to AMDS (to feed some cookies to the Windoes friends).  <<<   D At the moment, there is no advantage over DECamds (the functionalityA is lees then DECamds). But AFAIK Compaq will develope only the AM A and no longer the DECamds Alpha version. So in a few month, there C will be an advantage for AM, as you would like it or not (as I am).    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:53:21 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>! Subject: Re: Availability Manager , Message-ID: <8dh7q5$1bqo@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  \ "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message news:38fb4f12$1@news.kapsch.co.at...Z > In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052841FD@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> writes: L > >Availability Manager is not a traditional performance monitoring product,O > >but rather a proactive tool which is targetted at identifying AND optionally ? > >fixing issues before they impact the production environment.   , > So, where's your point of DECamds vs. AM ?  O He didn't make one. Look at the thread history; he replied to the original post  not the AMDS/AM subthread.  N Personally, I'm quite happy with AM. It's useful to be able to run the monitorG on a machine separate from the systems I am monitoring. For me its more A convenient to use an NT box rather than a standalone VMS machine.   I I know Java isn't exactly everyone's favourite cross-platform development G tool but the VMS performance will improve in time. It's not like Compaq $ can't do a decent JVM when they try.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:08:33 -0400 - From: "Phil Hudson" <Phil.Hudson@digital.com>   Subject: Re: BridgeWorks Anyone?6 Message-ID: <8di4ur$jsb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Warren, K     Compaq BridgeWorks is a viable way to package existing 3gl applications F     and logic up as standard components.  Using RPC as the underlining technology, K     it allows access to applications sitting on platforms as old as VAX/VMS  V5.5-2. I     It then serves this logic (buried treasure) up as COM components that  can beI     easily accessed by all kinds of clients, including web based clients.       hint:G     For performance,  it is recommended that web server based scripting  (i.e.. ASP pages, E     Perl with COM support, ...) be used with the generated in-process  version of the COM(     server to access these applications.  H    Compaq BridgeWorks generates both in-proc & out-of-process COM serverG     wrappers to these legacy applications.    Also note that it doesn't  necessarily require J     COM for OpenVMS.   The actual COM interface to the OpenVMS application can beH     put on any OpenVMS Alpha 7.2+, or Windows NT platform, including the same oneJ     that the client resides on.   (RPC is used out the backend to actually talk to the !     application over on OpenVMS.)   H     If you play with it a bit, I believe it is going to be given away in order to support OpenVMS, D     you will find it a very nice tool to write distrbuted apps with.  J     Also note that I heard from an inside source that V2 will turn OpenVMS Applications into 0     Enterprise Java Beans. (yet to be confirmed)   Phil Hudson  (Compaq Computer Corporation)         : Warren Spencer <warren.spencer@alcan.com> wrote in message% news:8dfpq7$482@krdcnews.alcan.com...  > Hi,  > L > I'm considering using DEQ's Bridgeworks/DCOM on OpenVMS to serve up legacyK > data to web-based clients.  Is anyone else considering the same senseless 
 > act? ;-) >  > ws >  >  > -- > Warren Spencer > Automation Systems Analyst > Alcan Aluminum Corporation > warren.spencer@alcan.comJ > My employer does not necessarily agreement with my opinions - neither do I. >  >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:03:58 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> 9 Subject: Re: Compaq FORTRAN: bring back /CROSS_REFERENCE. H Message-ID: <y44s8zsp2p.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:  H > We didn't "remove" it - it just hasn't been implemented in the Fortran@ > 90/95 compiler yet.  It's on our list of things we want to do.  N From which we can deduce that the F90/95 compiler had been primarily developedH on Unix, where such simple facilities are all but absent. See that majorJ innovation in (C|D)VF 6, or Sun's Fortran compiler recently, that provides? readable error messages and, hey!, even a symbolic stack trace.    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:38:56 -0400 , From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>9 Subject: Re: Compaq FORTRAN: bring back /CROSS_REFERENCE. 8 Message-ID: <gklofs4i03nl2c1in92q61c4rhdtbbi6nr@4ax.com>  . On 18 Apr 2000 12:03:58 +0200, Jan Vorbrueggen8 <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:  / >Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:  > I >> We didn't "remove" it - it just hasn't been implemented in the Fortran A >> 90/95 compiler yet.  It's on our list of things we want to do.  > O >From which we can deduce that the F90/95 compiler had been primarily developed I >on Unix, where such simple facilities are all but absent. See that major K >innovation in (C|D)VF 6, or Sun's Fortran compiler recently, that provides @ >readable error messages and, hey!, even a symbolic stack trace.  E On UNIX there is the FUSE development environment, where F90 supports C a cross-reference database available through FUSE.  On Windows, CVF F supports the Developer Studio "source browser", a similar notion.  AndF now, on VMS, F90 supports SCA.  These "cross reference database" toolsE are much more flexible and useful than a cross-reference section in a ? listing file. Nevertheless, we will be adding /CROSS_REFERENCE.     - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)  Fortran Engineering & Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 17:58:29 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> 9 Subject: Re: Compaq FORTRAN: bring back /CROSS_REFERENCE. H Message-ID: <y4k8hvqu3e.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:  $ > And now, on VMS, F90 supports SCA.  F When SCA was first introduced, it was all but unuseable because of itsG "speed". Has that changes such that one can conceivably re-populate its D database after every compile without dying of coffeine intoxication?  2 And, of course, SCA requires a seperate license...  L Actually, my note was meant more as a criticism of Unix compilers in general than of Compaq's products...   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:54:45 +0200 - From: Jouk Jansen <JOUKJ@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: CXML and SETI3 Message-ID: <38FC30E5.675458E0@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>    Steve Lionel wrote:  > 4 > On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:22:57 -0400, David A Froble > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > R > >It would probably be counter-productive, but I'd like to see Compaq release theQ > >ultra fast SETI client.  It would then force the SETI people to decide whether = > >they wanted results, or are just another political entity.  > E > The SETI project does not want us to release the version of the 1.3 C > client that uses CXML, and the rules are that 2.x clients are not H > allowed to use vendor-supplied FFT routines - you have to use the code? > as they supply it.  The SETI folks claim that the "science is B > compromised" if different FFT code is used.  Personally, I don'tB > understand that, but it's their project and they get to make the > rules.C No it should be the otherwa round. "Science would be compromised if G different FFT code would give -within the numerical accuracy- different A answers". I always test my "scientific programs" with differerent G FFT-packages. I normally get almost the same answers (as expected). The G diffrences you find are of the same order as running the same code on 2 < different CPU's. Or are the SETI folks preventing this too??  %                                  Jouk  --    > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansen  		     joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl   E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dd G   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:54:42 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: CXML and SETIH Message-ID: <y4snwjqztp.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / Jouk Jansen <JOUKJ@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes:   E > No it should be the otherwa round. "Science would be compromised if I > different FFT code would give -within the numerical accuracy- different=C > answers". I always test my "scientific programs" with differerentaI > FFT-packages. I normally get almost the same answers (as expected). The3I > diffrences you find are of the same order as running the same code on 2V> > different CPU's. Or are the SETI folks preventing this too??  K Exactly. From experience with a part of CFP2000 that makes fairly heavy use H of FFTs, the difference in results on different platforms, compilers andH sometimes using vendor-specific FFT libraries has always been a sporadicM off-by-one in the least significant bit. If the science depends on that, it's  broken anyways._   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:31:23 -0500"1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>s  Subject: DEC still in the news!!8 Message-ID: <8dhkch$2ve$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   I had to post this."  I Today's Chicago Tribune on page 6 had an article entitled: "Web site putsn shots of Area 51 out there".  H The story is about photos of the now infamous Area 51 in Nevada taken by. satellite by Aerial Imaging Inc of Raleigh NC.  H It goes on to say: "The company planned to post five images of the site,F divided into four frames each, in collaboration with Microsoft, Kodak,? Digital Equipment Corp., Autometric Inc. and the Russian agencyT Sovinformsputnik."   "The truth is out there".u   Dave...e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:34:15 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>g$ Subject: Re: DEC still in the news!!8 Message-ID: <8dhkht$328$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  ; Almost forgot. For those interested in seeing the pictures:b www.terraserver.como   Live long and prosperc   Dave...W  : Dave Gudewicz <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message2 news:8dhkch$2ve$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com... > I had to post this.o >  > "The truth is out there".o > 	 > Dave...  >E >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:46:53 GMTi+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com> B Subject: Re: Defing Shifted or CTRL Function keys with SMG$Add_key) Message-ID: <8di3hm$uhi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>M  2 In article <Xqj7OGTemBFjElEPUA3mAnWpFWAv@4ax.com>,,   Vincent Kurdyla <vkurdyla@home.com> wrote: ... H > Is it possible to use SMG$add_key_def to define a Shifted Function Key > or Ctrl + Function Key ???  F AFAIK, no, at least not on a _real_ VT340. Shift/Fn is a feature builtG into the terminal which sends the character sequence loaded via the UDKnC Setup menu or DECUDK escape sequence. My experiments with an RS-232 F line monitor show that Control/Fn and Control/Shift/Fn do nothing, and% Alt-Function/Fn sends the same as Fn.a  F I suppose a DECterm could (now) be different, but not according to theE ancient copy of its Text Programming Manual I have and which probably  matches your VMS V5.5.  C Look at the SMGDEF file (smgdef.h for C, probably an equivalent for-G FORTRAN) to see what keys are available. Maybe your program could startoG by sending a DECUDK sequence to program the Shift/Fns to send something-
 your can use.A   Chris     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.x   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:50:20 -0400r* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!- Message-ID: <38FBE98C.B7CDE436@tsoft-inc.com>w   Antonio Carlini wrote: > S > In article <Ft02M3.FE4@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote:  > M > >  As someone else pointed out, there isn't any reason Compaq couldn't haveI* > >made their version work under Phase IV. > ! > True - it's just code right :-)t > N > Getting the RFC859 support into Phase IV would be a tad hard as Phase IV hasL > no OSI Transport. Getting something compatible with Phase/IP (or whatever)O > into DECnet Phase IV would be technically possible (I imagine). The stumblingW6 > block will be finding someone willing to pay for it.  K This is where I have a bit of a problem with DEC/Compaq policy.  It's Ok toiP declare a version of a product old and in maintenance mode if you provide a goodP upgrade path.  With the number of people who do not want to move to DECnet phaseK V, and the problems in that product, and the software support money paid byeP customers, I could argue that people are paying for DECnet phase IV and for someM enhancements to it.  If Compaq had a new version of VMS that had as much of a L problem with users that DECnet phase V has, they wouldn't be able to declareP earlier versions in maintenance mode and push the problem version at the users. M They wouldn't be crazy enough to try.  They wouldn't want to try.  It's a biteO like VMS V5.5-2.  There were enough users still using this version that patchesaL were produced and it was certified for Y2K.  I'd guess that there are enoughH DECnet phase IV users that want to run DECnet over IP that Compaq shouldN consider such an enhancement.  On the other hand, maybe we'd better be carefulK about what we ask for, it might have the same (or worse) problems as DECneto phase V. :-)  % > > It can't be that hard (I remembereN > >when DECnot / Phase/IP was born, Ken Adelman from TGV called me up and said; > >"Hey, I've got this really neat hack, wanna try it?" 8-)  > L > All new features are trivial to implement once you've finished writing andK > testing the code. Is the Phase/IP stuff even publically documented? Could ; > COMPAQ add it to Phase IV without having to pay whomever?- >  > >-L > >  I suspect that the Compaq Phase IV code is only touched to fix criticalL > >bugs, and they don't want to make enhancements to it. Not to mention that3 > >Phase IV improvements would undermine Phase V...  > K > I believe the Phase IV code is in maintenance mode. I'm sure if you offer M > enough money someone will crack the seals and start working on it. I bet itpO > would be cheaper for you to simply purchase whatever product it is that gives8 > you Phase/IP.5 > M > In defence of the DECnet-over-IP stuff: it is all publically documented (inuL > the above RFC) and it works over any IP stack that uses the "standard PWIPO > interface" (I don't know what it is called). It needs OSITP which pretty much. > precludes Phase IV ... > 	 > Antonioi > K > Antonio Carlini                            Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com % > DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Engineeringh8 > COMPAQ                                     Reading, UK   Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com0 Vanderbilt, PA  15486D   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:19:50 GMTa, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)4 Subject: Re: Equivalent VMS command to Unix "touch"?' Message-ID: <2000Apr18.081950.1@eisner>a   In article <75968FA028EAD311B3530090279CF80C123FAA@USWAUMSX07MEDGE>, "Guttenberg, Charlie (MED)" <Charles.Guttenberg@amermsx.med.ge.com> writes: > Hi.n > I > I'm want to be able to update the last-modified dates of all files in ai > directory.A > Unix provides the "touch" command for this.  Does VMS provide an > counterpart?E > I have tried various options of "set file" and "copy" with no luck.a > Thanks in advance  > for any help you may provide.   F We don't use expiration times on any of our systems, so for years I've used:>  % $set file/expiration_date=17-nov-1858s  D which sets the expiration date to nothing, and causes a modification date change.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationr= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupsE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyinga   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:00:33 GMTs- From: Dave Pickles <davep@nugate.demon.co.uk>e Subject: Re: excursion* Message-ID: <8dgtpk$166$1@cyw.uklinux.net>   Bob Ricci wrote:M > Does anyone have compaq's excursion 3.0 for windows nt 4.0 running and able K > to connect to a Sun solaris 2.6 server. I keep gettingan error adding ther > font pathe/ > couldnt add font path /etc/dt/config/xfonts/Ce= >                                     /usr/dt/config/xfonts/Ce7 >                                    tcp/cliff.com:7100vF > it then brings up the CDE desktop to Solaris asking for username and- > password but doesnt recognize the password.a( > i must have an invalid path somewhere! > bob ricci- > ricci_r@subway.com  G I get these errors (four in total I think) when connecting to a SolarisuI box, but there is no problem logging in and no obvious font problems withc the CDE environment afterwards.q  > What messages appear in the Solaris logs (/var/adm/authlog andH /var/log/syslog)? Can you connect via a telnet session from the same PC,? and can you run a CDE session from any other PC or workstation?t   Dave Pickles   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:37:14 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: how to kill NSLOOKUP?!t. Message-ID: <8dhaca$151$1@info.service.rug.nl>  G Sometimes, I want to kill NSLOOKUUP---usually when it hangs LYNX.  Why eA can't I just ^Y this?  With a tape drive, I can understand why a n) graceful exit is necessary, but why here?    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:30:15 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a+ Subject: Re: Is sys$dclexh ever not called?eH Message-ID: <y41z43snuw.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  7 "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> writes:7  M > What I'm wondering is if the registered routine is called if someone uses a J > "big stick" to hit it over the head - say sys$delprc. To a lesser extentL > what happens if there's an unhanded condition while the image is executingM > (although in this second case I'm guessing that it's entirely possible thate > "all bets are off").  J It's a bit unfortunate that VMS's terminology isn't quite as consistent asM it's actual internal operation. What really happens behind the scenes is thateK $EXIT is called at different processor modes: any exit from a running user-aJ mode application, or a $FORCEX call, does a $EXIT from user mode; DCL STOPI does a supervisor-mode $EXIT; $DELPRC (on which STOP/ID is based) does an K exec-mode $EXIT; I dunno whether anything ever does a kernel-mode $EXIT (intI which case RMS couldn't run down, which is a Bad Thing). For any of these N cases, all exit handlers in the same or inner modes are executed sequentially;K in fact, one can imagine that the last thing a $EXIT at one mode does is to H call $EXIT with the next inner mode. DCL regains control by installing aI supervisor-mode exit handler that unwinds the stack back to the prompt orrJ command procedure read routine, whichever may be active (which answers theN question from another post). All very regular...why the original design didn'tN just make $DELPRC take an access mode and a condition value, instead of havingK $EXIT, $FORCEX, $DELPRC, I don't know - maybe one of the original designersl can chip in?   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:07:25 GMTa From: briggs@eisner.decus.orgs+ Subject: Re: Is sys$dclexh ever not called? ' Message-ID: <2000Apr18.080725.1@eisner>u   In article <y41z43snuw.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:L > It's a bit unfortunate that VMS's terminology isn't quite as consistent asO > it's actual internal operation. What really happens behind the scenes is that-M > $EXIT is called at different processor modes: any exit from a running user-0L > mode application, or a $FORCEX call, does a $EXIT from user mode; DCL STOPK > does a supervisor-mode $EXIT; $DELPRC (on which STOP/ID is based) does an  > exec-mode $EXIT;  F If one is to believe the IDSM, this is not the case.  $DELPRC hits theG target process with a kernel mode AST.  No exit handlers are invoked at + any mode.  Not user mode.  Not kernel mode.n  G What does get invoked are rundown handlers.  Registered per-process andvG system-wide rundown handlers for executive and kernel mode are invoked.r% In addition, RMS$RMSRUNDWN is called.a  < > I dunno whether anything ever does a kernel-mode $EXIT (in: > which case RMS couldn't run down, which is a Bad Thing).  I I suspect that the bottom of the kernel mode $EXIT path ends up doing theu7 same thing as $DELPRC, thus taking care of RMS rundown.p   > For any of theseP > cases, all exit handlers in the same or inner modes are executed sequentially;M > in fact, one can imagine that the last thing a $EXIT at one mode does is toNJ > call $EXIT with the next inner mode. DCL regains control by installing aK > supervisor-mode exit handler that unwinds the stack back to the prompt or/L > command procedure read routine, whichever may be active (which answers theP > question from another post). All very regular...why the original design didn'tP > just make $DELPRC take an access mode and a condition value, instead of havingM > $EXIT, $FORCEX, $DELPRC, I don't know - maybe one of the original designersv > can chip in?  A $DELPRC is not implemented as an SCH$QAST for $EXIT in exec mode.f  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:53:02 -0700p5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>g+ Subject: Re: Is sys$dclexh ever not called? 9 Message-ID: <26f15c5e.bb9ee022@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com>   % That reminds me of another question:-r  ; What is the recommended way of handling an unexpected error-7 in an EXEC mode AST (eg: ss$_exquota) given that asynch04 EXEC mode i/o could be outstanding. $exit could hang; because other exec mode stuff can't complete. Dropping backe9 to user-mode leaves a timing window open which could be a6: bad thing depending on the error? $delprc does the job but9 doesn't leave a lot of useful information about what wente wrong.  4 What sort of soft bug-checking technique do you use?   Regards Richard Maher.     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifuli   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:33:36 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)K Subject: Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for  Dummies" ?c, Message-ID: <8dhv8g$66f@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  [ In article <4.3.0.20000417201047.01d1da00@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes: 4 >At 07:20 PM 4/17/00 -0400, Andrew C. Stoffel wrote: >>  >>   int errorWrongIndex(void) { >>   ^B >>   %CC-W-MISSINGRETURN, Non-void function "errorWrongIndex" does$ >>   not contain a return statement. >>8 >You're being bitten by horribly lazy coding practices.   F Not necessarily.  You get this error even if there is a return in the K function but that return isn't the very last statement in the function.  I  I think what happens is that rather than trying to figure out all possible  G logical paths through a function the compiler just checks right before n' the exit for a return().  For instance:-  9 $ cc/standard=ansi89/prefix=all/warn=enable=all sys$input  #include <stdlib.h>  int testiszero(int i){   if(i==0){i     return(0);   }f   else {     return(1);   }  }d ^Z   int testiszero(int i){ ^EJ %CC-I-FALLOFFEND, The last statement in non-void function "testiszero" is  not a return statement. % at line number 2 in file SYS$INPUT:.;     7 But it's perfectly happy with the logically equivalent:   9 $ cc/standard=ansi89/prefix=all/warn=enable=all sys$input  #include <stdlib.h>  int testiszero(int i){   if(i==0)return(0);   return(1); }- ^Z
 (no warnings)-  J In any case, I tend to prefer the latter form.  The logic here is trivial,I but in a complex function it is reassuring to know that come what may the.L function will exit through the desired return() statement at the end of the J functin and not just fall out the bottom and return who knows what to the  caller.e   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech u   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 02:17:34 -0700  From: nabbasi@pacbell.net.NOSPAMJ Subject: Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ?( Message-ID: <8dh97e$mj2@drn.newsguy.com>  ; In article <38fbd149.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>,   martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE says...  n  >:   int errorWrongIndex(void) { >:   ^C >:   %CC-W-MISSINGRETURN, Non-void function "errorWrongIndex" does e$ >:   not contain a return statement. >:D >: And there are an awful lot of these.... the syntax seems to be a E >: feature that other C compilers ( gcc for example) have no problemsc >: with....t   >iH >No. It's just sloppy programming - that is tolerated by other compilersD >because of their pre-ANSI history. If they'd switched on gcc's ANSI= >compliance mode, I'm sure it would have bombed out the same.8 >c  G Yes, there is sloppy programing. good idea is to use -Wall all the timeh
 with gcc.    Nasser   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:42:31 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>nJ Subject: Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ?+ Message-ID: <8di36u$ika$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>i  3 It will probably also quiet down with /stand=commono      0 LBohan@spam..less.dbc...com wrote in message ...8 >On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:20:11 -0400, "Andrew C. Stoffel" ><acs@cyberportal.net> wrote:r >uA >>  %CC-W-MISSINGRETURN, Non-void function "errorWrongIndex" does # >>  not contain a return statement.e >>B >>And there are an awful lot of these.... the syntax seems to be aD >>feature that other C compilers ( gcc for example) have no problemsE >>with.... and following the advice of the DEC C help, to add returnso@ >>to all of the functions that exhibit this behavior, could take@ >>me (with my limited C ability) weeks/months. Unless there's an >>easier way...] >.@ >the newest versions of the C compiler are (a bit) less pedantic= >in their default warning levels, and v6.2 was supposed to be,& >more forgiving of various GCC quirks. >a; >perhaps try /WARN=(DIS=PORTABLE) to lower the noise level;C > > >you can also insert #pragmas to enable/disable varying levels& >of pickiness around sections of code. >A >read up on /WARN at:  >cD >http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/c/5492p001.htm#index_x_28 >$E >http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/c/5492p006.htm#index_x_195? >  >F   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:19:38 -0300t1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>e+ Subject: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in ReflectionseK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A6D57CB@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>    Hi,/  @ 	Can anyone tell me how to map the "DO" key in reflections so itH works under a TPU OpenVMS 7.1 session, also the F17/18/19/20 keys do notH appear to send the appropriate escape sequence.  I have been through theJ Keyboard map in reflections and mapped the PC keyboard to the US DEC LK450! keyboard but it still won't work.t TIA  - DarrenL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------B ------------------------------------------------------------------; Darren James Boyle,              Telephone : (441) 299-6425- Lead Analyst Programmer,: ISD VMS Technical Services,  Fax          : (441) 299-6502 Bank of BermudanJ Par-la-Ville Branch,                EMail      : BoyleDJ@BankofBermuda.com Hamilton Bermuda.mL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:48:46 -0400s  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com/ Subject: Re: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflections 4 Message-ID: <C22568C5.00610BED.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   Hi,h  D      Can anyone tell me how to map the "DO" key in reflections so itH works under a TPU OpenVMS 7.1 session, also the F17/18/19/20 keys do notH appear to send the appropriate escape sequence.  I have been through theJ Keyboard map in reflections and mapped the PC keyboard to the US DEC LK450! keyboard but it still won't work.o TIAd - DarrenL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------B ------------------------------------------------------------------; Darren James Boyle,              Telephone : (441) 299-6425c Lead Analyst Programmer,: ISD VMS Technical Services,  Fax          : (441) 299-6502 Bank of BermudaaJ Par-la-Ville Branch,                EMail      : BoyleDJ@BankofBermuda.com Hamilton Bermuda.uL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------B ------------------------------------------------------------------  9 I always just use F16=DO by <Shift-F6> on my PC keyboard.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:03:42 -0700 / From: "Rick Campbell" <rickca.AT@speakeasy.org>r+ Subject: Re: Looking for VAX Arch. Handbook / Message-ID: <sfo5muc17l5103@corp.supernews.com>r  J I have a hardback copy of "Computer programming and Architecture: The VAX"K by "Henry M. Levy / Richard H. Eckhouse Jr." Second Edition, published 1989 # Digital Press.  ISBN# 1-55558-015-7I  1 This book has all sorts of Assembler information.d  E What's it worth to you (i belive it sold for close to $59.99 or more)h   Rick.a2 --- To reply, remove the ".DOT" from email address    7 "Timothy Stark" <sword7@speakeasy.org> wrote in messageo3 news:K7QK4.155588$Pa1.3881448@news6.giganews.com...  > Hello folks: >dG > I am looking for VAX Arch. Handbook (1986 or later) right now.  Do ittJ > include complete assembly language information?  That's why I want studyK > that for my emulator developement.  Yes, I found VAX open-source emulator / > software in Linux-based sourceforge web site.  >i > Thank you! >c > -- Tim Stark >c   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:37:45 GMTl, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)+ Subject: Re: Looking for VAX Arch. Handbookr' Message-ID: <2000Apr18.083745.1@eisner>P  h In article <K7QK4.155588$Pa1.3881448@news6.giganews.com>, "Timothy Stark" <sword7@speakeasy.org> writes: > Hello folks: > G > I am looking for VAX Arch. Handbook (1986 or later) right now.  Do itiJ > include complete assembly language information?  That's why I want studyK > that for my emulator developement.  Yes, I found VAX open-source emulatoru/ > software in Linux-based sourceforge web site.r  E Look for the vector instructions.  If they are there then the book is B complete, if not then the book may still have all you really want.  E IMHO my 1981 version of the architecture handbook is the best.  Later D versions lost all the examples.  Earlier copies left out some of theF instructions such as PROBER and PROBEW that were primarily of interest to inner mode programming.    F Since the instruction set finally showed up in the Macro manual and inH the online help the architecture handbook became less of an issue, but IH still grab my 1980 copy when I need a quick reference on an instruction.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationo= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupnE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:08:24 -0500t- From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> % Subject: Re: New VMS books coming outi1 Message-ID: <38FC6C58.806276B3@email.sps.mot.com>o  + Are these the only ways to obtain the book?a   Bruce Vinson   Hoff Hoffman wrote:- > S > In article <8d6t8g$v63$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:S> > : OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies is out now. > : Anyone seen it yet?i > J >   Yes, I have seen it.  You will want to request copies of the book fromJ >   your Compaq sales representative or Compaq reseller, or pick one up atE >   a Compaq tradeshow.  This book is *not* available at Amazon, etc.8 > G >   (If your Compaq representative or reseller is not familiar with the G >   book or does not know how to acquire it for you, please ask them to K >   request part number 11N3-0200A-WWEN in the (Compaq-internal) literaturen >   ordering system.)/ > J >   I've asked that information on this book be posted in the "books" area >   of the OpenVMS website...  > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:53:55 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: New VMS books coming outo6 Message-ID: <8dhsu3$h3v$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  a In article <38FC6C58.806276B3@email.sps.mot.com>, Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> writes:l, :Are these the only ways to obtain the book?  J   As far as I know, yes.  The book can only be acquired via a trade show, H   via a sales contact (Compaq or reseller), via marketing, or via other F   similar direct contact with the Compaq OpenVMS sales or marketing or   reseller channels...  H   I have just asked the head of OpenVMS marketing about the plans -- if J   there are any, of course -- for the direct acquisition of the available L   marketing materials via the OpenVMS website or other (non-sales) channels.   :Hoff Hoffman wrote:T :> In article <8d6t8g$v63$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:? :> : OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies is out now.e8 :>   ...You will want to request copies of the book from: :>   your Compaq sales representative or Compaq reseller, , :>   or pick one up at a Compaq tradeshow...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:18:01 +0100oB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: NT Breaks Again* Message-ID: <38FC8AB9.C99EBD0A@uk.sun.com>   Art Rice wrote:n  ! > Ya just gotta love NT security:a >n3 > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1707928.htmlI >s > -- > Art Rice   *#o% > Special Data Processing Corporations( > --------------------------------------( > All opinions expressed are mine and do' > not reflect the views of my employer.h  > On a simular vein this is a bug report from Microsoft that may
 amuse you.  H check out http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q131/1/09.asp  - It will the the Microsoft Flat Earth next :-)a   Regardsh Andrew Harrisono Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:55:05 -0400 + From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>D Subject: Re: NT Breaks Again1 Message-ID: <38FC5B28.68AD7A07@trailing-edge.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > Art Rice wrote:e > # > > Ya just gotta love NT security:s > >f5 > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1707928.htmld > >  > > -- > > Art Rice   *#a' > > Special Data Processing Corporationi* > > --------------------------------------* > > All opinions expressed are mine and do) > > not reflect the views of my employer.- > @ > On a simular vein this is a bug report from Microsoft that may > amuse you. > J > check out http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q131/1/09.asp  B Not a problem - attach some really big rocket engines to the earth? (preferably at the equator, to stay as far away from Redmond ask2 reasonable) and reverse the rotation of the earth.   Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:30:58 -0700a* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> Subject: Re: NT Breaks Again= Message-ID: <BV0L4.936$PT3.114753@news-west.usenetserver.com>o  G "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in , message news:38FC8AB9.C99EBD0A@uk.sun.com...@ > On a simular vein this is a bug report from Microsoft that may > amuse you. >t > check oute> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q131/1/09.asp >o/ > It will the the Microsoft Flat Earth next :-)e >oG I put this on in the "blame it on the MS-NBC tie-in" conspiracy theory.gH Older readers will recall the premiere of the rotating globe logo on theF NBC evening news, and how it showed the earth rotating backwards.  Now? we know where that particular graphics artist found employment.   B I was disappointed that NBC eventually fixed it.  It appropriately, symbolized the accuracy of their journalism.    Jack Peacocke   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:47:30 GMTe2 From: Dave S <dave.senestraro@nospam.solveris.com> Subject: Re: NT Breaks Again3 Message-ID: <38FC9FF0.F914CEA1@nospam.solveris.com>X  B I just thought this was another example of Micro$ofts "innovation"       Tim Shoppa wrote:l  * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > >  > > Art Rice wrote:  > >t% > > > Ya just gotta love NT security:  > > >e7 > > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1707928.htmle > > >. > > > -- > > > Art Rice   *#g) > > > Special Data Processing Corporatione, > > > --------------------------------------, > > > All opinions expressed are mine and do+ > > > not reflect the views of my employer.  > > B > > On a simular vein this is a bug report from Microsoft that may > > amuse you. > >rL > > check out http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q131/1/09.asp > D > Not a problem - attach some really big rocket engines to the earthA > (preferably at the equator, to stay as far away from Redmond asD4 > reasonable) and reverse the rotation of the earth. >r > Tim.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:49:56 GMTe0 From: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com (Antonio Carlini)8 Subject: Re: Open source, was: re: So who will buy VMS ?* Message-ID: <8dh3gq$uau@usenet.pa.dec.com>  h In article <009E8BFC.05FDA5DF.22@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote:F >If you get trouble with VMS or Tru64, you rely on Compaq for a fix. ID >trust Compaq rather more than Microsoft, but it's still a monopoly.  L With OpenVMS you have the source listings on CD if you think you need them. O Not quite the same as being able to ftp the sources for the whole OS but if it u! matters to you you can get this. S  L I don't know what the situation is for Tru64 - you might be able to get the N sources (or listings) if you hold an AT&T source licence (except that I don't  think that it's AT&T any more).p   AntonioD  I Antonio Carlini                            Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com.# DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS EngineeringD6 COMPAQ                                     Reading, UK   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:44:42 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> $ Subject: Re: out through the in doorH Message-ID: <y4aeirspyt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  L Look at the pipeline quotas on both ends. Especially with the receiving nodeH slower than the sending one, it can happen that packets are dropped intoJ oblivion, and the default DECnet time-outs are quite long, so it takes itsJ time to retransmit. When the first Alpha came along, one had to reduce the5 pipeline quota to a few kB to get useful performance.p   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:13:12 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> - Subject: Re: Percent of time spent training ?-) Message-ID: <38FC5158.35CEE5AE@gtech.com>f   JF Mezei wrote:"L > Even though I have been playing with VMS for a long time, I find I have toO > constantly spend time to tune up my skills both VMS and in the rest of the ITe5 > industry (web, wap, xml, perl, oracle etc etc etc).  > M > Is there some sort of industry number to determine how much time one should-4 > spend honing one's skills versus just using them ? > O > I feel I have to constantly try to keep up and catch up, and I wonder if I ameF > alone or if everyone is also in what seems to be an impossible race.  = The amount of information is exploding, so it is difficult tod to stay ahead !    I would say that:e(   - 2-3 weeks of training courses a year@   - 1-3 hours a week to read comp.os.vms and various other stuff   - budget for 2-3 book a year  & should be enough to keep you on track.   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:43:49 GMTg* From: Gord Coulman <gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca>- Subject: Re: Percent of time spent training ?a, Message-ID: <38FC6DBD.CAE83CDB@ccinet.ab.ca>  P The difficulty is knowing where to spend your limited "Professional Development"M time.  At my workplace, there is a wide range of fascinating software, any of:O which could lead me off in a new direction.  My curious nature makes me learn a.O bit of each, while others become experts in one or two areas... Who knows whichh is the best way?  J Regarding courses, it's nice to have the certificate, but unless I use theG knowledge right away, it seems to evaporate.  I prefer a good book with ) programming examples and sample projects.o   Gord   JF Mezei wrote:e  L > Even though I have been playing with VMS for a long time, I find I have toO > constantly spend time to tune up my skills both VMS and in the rest of the IT05 > industry (web, wap, xml, perl, oracle etc etc etc).@ >rM > Is there some sort of industry number to determine how much time one should 4 > spend honing one's skills versus just using them ? > O > I feel I have to constantly try to keep up and catch up, and I wonder if I ambF > alone or if everyone is also in what seems to be an impossible race.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:54:33 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>n) Subject: Re: Portable unformatted files 2lH Message-ID: <y47ldvspie.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  L > > What about the rumour of the International Space Station being "full of  > > VAXen"---any truth to that?  > J > I believe none.  There is a VAX/VMS based Ada cross compiler being used J > to support code development, I forget the target chip (possibly 8051).    M IIRC, they're using 80386s for all control processorts - a radiation-hardenedoJ version, obviously. Sandia is promising a radiation hardened Pentium (586) sometime soon.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:40:25 GMTk, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)) Subject: Re: Portable unformatted files 2a' Message-ID: <2000Apr18.084025.1@eisner>8   In article <y47ldvspie.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:0 > koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > M >> > What about the rumour of the International Space Station being "full of C  >> > VAXen"---any truth to that? >> aK >> I believe none.  There is a VAX/VMS based Ada cross compiler being used tK >> to support code development, I forget the target chip (possibly 8051).    > O > IIRC, they're using 80386s for all control processorts - a radiation-hardenedbL > version, obviously. Sandia is promising a radiation hardened Pentium (586) > sometime soon. >   D A bit late, perhaps.  Everybody I know is gone to rad hardened R4000> (MIPS) or PPC (pre G3 IIRS, but I think a G3 is due out soon).  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group-E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 13:27:09 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-U Subject: Re: possibly off-topic: where to get sensible (non-graphical) free WWW email4H Message-ID: <y4ya6br6nm.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  , helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:  K > I'm looking for a (free) WWW-based provider of email, such as gmx.net or  I > hotmail.com, but which is usable with LYNX (and ideally is constructed 1/ > with this in mind).  Does such a beast exist?r  H That would be a contradictio in adjectio, and thus cannot exist. How theM hell can you see those advertisements that pay for the service (and the CEO'sk( income, of course) with Lynx? TANSTAAFL.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:03:32 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)U Subject: Re: possibly off-topic: where to get sensible (non-graphical) free WWW emaile. Message-ID: <8dhiuk$3nu$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <y4ya6br6nm.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,A Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>- writes:   . > helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: > M > > I'm looking for a (free) WWW-based provider of email, such as gmx.net or jK > > hotmail.com, but which is usable with LYNX (and ideally is constructed -1 > > with this in mind).  Does such a beast exist?m > J > That would be a contradictio in adjectio, and thus cannot exist. How theO > hell can you see those advertisements that pay for the service (and the CEO's * > income, of course) with Lynx? TANSTAAFL.  A Other ad-financed sites are usable with LYNX.  Also, free was in t parentheses.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:25:12 +0200AB From: "Softwaregroep TB/GA Gasunie" <e.g.van.der.velde@gasunie.nl>  Subject: question about printers, Message-ID: <8dh20m$fap$1@porthos.nl.uu.net>   Hello there,    I What do I need to do to get a non digital/compaq printer working on a vms. queu (e.g. a HP)  ?sI Secondly, are there any utilities (callable routines) which can perform ar 'fit to page'  when printing: image files (BMP, GIF, PostScript etc.). Any suggestions ?     Kind regards   Herman Behling   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:06:58 GMTu2 From: "Doug Stephenson" <Doug.Stephenson@sbpa.com>- Subject: Rich Text File Print drivers for VMS-$ Message-ID: <6tWK4.102$Pa.2691@news>  F My customers are in need of a means of creating Word Processor caliberJ letters (bolding, multiple fonts, tables, etc).  Our product allows a listK processing capability, but it is a text based system.  We have come up with@K a scheme to allow our customers to create the letter in RTF format on theirbD PC, move it to the VMS system and our merge process handles the textJ insertions, keeping the necessary RTF formatting in place.  The problem isL that the customer will be required to move the resulting merged file back toI the PC to print.   Does anyone know of drivers available for VMS that cant print these files properly?f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:56:25 -0400i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: Rich Text File Print drivers for VMS / Message-ID: <38FC93B7.BF2DA9C9@vl.videotron.ca>    Doug Stephenson wrote:L > insertions, keeping the necessary RTF formatting in place.  The problem isN > that the customer will be required to move the resulting merged file back toK > the PC to print.   Does anyone know of drivers available for VMS that canu > print these files properly?.  H If you have the old CDA CONVERTER LIBRARY, you can convert RTF to PS and print, right from VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:41:45 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)- Subject: Seagate ST41600 in MicroVAX 3100/90?m3 Message-ID: <8dhs79$ate$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>   O I recently received an ST41600 and my VAX doesn't seem to want to use it.  I'vemO tried installing VMS 7.2 on it, but standalone backup says its offline.  When IsN try to use the console to format the disk, I get a failure after a while.  TheJ LED in the front left is blinking constantly...is it bad, or am I missing  something obvious?  J It shows up on a show dev and show scsi, and in standalone backup's device list.n  
 Brian Wheeleri bdwheele@indiana.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:10:40 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: Security question) Message-ID: <38FC50BF.C322F1F7@gtech.com>    Peter Jones wrote:L > We have a requirement at work to allow a number of users to ftp files onto+ > an Alpha with the following restrictions: < > - They need to be able to ftp files to a single directory.7 > - They must not have access to any other directories.t$ > - Each user has his own directory.H > - In addition, another completely independent process must have "rwed"+ > privileges on all these user directories.- > L > I have been told that this is not possible under VMS, the last point being > the problem. Is this true?   Absolutely not.-   You just put an ACL on !  $ AFAIK then ACL was invented on VMS !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:18:59 -0400$' From: Paul <pmosteika@evms.zko.dec.com>cG Subject: Re: Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3m0 Message-ID: <38FC3693.796190BF@evms.zko.dec.com>   Steve Freegard wrote:a >  > Hi,e > M > I was wondering if anybody knows how to send MIME attachments under VMS.  I L > have tried MAIL/FOREIGN but this seems to preserve the VMS file format and0 > make text files impossible to read in Windoze. > J > Basically what I am trying to do is send out mail from VMS with multipleN > spool files attached, so the recipient can view/print the report in Windows. >  > Thanks in advance  >  > Steve Freegard   Steve,  E You need to use the SFF work-around using TCPIP Services for OpenVMS.$B That is, SMTP currently encapsulates the message with RFC 822 mailC headers adding an extra blank line between it and the original MIME @ headers and message. This single blank line corrupts the messageF decoding. This will be fixed in a future release of TCPIP Services for OpenVMS.  A If you have a later version of TCPIP, there is a file provided in- SYS$SYSTEM (or TCPIP$SYSTEM):    	TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXEi  F If you edit the MIME message adding the "SMTP-like" headers to the topC of the message, you can send it by invoking SFF. Define a symbol too invoke SFF:d  + 	$ SFF :== $TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXEA  B Add the three "SMTP-like" headers to the top of your MIME message D file. Ensure there are no blank lines. That is the MIME headers must6 immediately follow. It should look like the following:     	MAIL FROM:<your_account.com>s" 	RCPT TO:<target_user_account.com> 	DATA  	Mime-version: 1.0 	. 	. ... (mime message file) ... 	.   Then send the file   	$SMTP_SFF MIME.MSG_FILE	      			Paul Mosteika   			18-Apr-2000   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:12:50 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)G Subject: Re: Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3 , Message-ID: <8dhu1i$66f@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ~ In article <955999311.19338.0.nnrp-11.c1ed965a@news.demon.co.uk>, "Steve Freegard" <stevenf@alpha-centori.demon.co.uk> writes: >Hi, >lL >I was wondering if anybody knows how to send MIME attachments under VMS.  IK >have tried MAIL/FOREIGN but this seems to preserve the VMS file format andm/ >make text files impossible to read in Windoze.  > I >Basically what I am trying to do is send out mail from VMS with multiple-M >spool files attached, so the recipient can view/print the report in Windows.c  I Normally I'd say to use PINE but since it sounds like you may need to do oJ this under control of a DCL procedure I'll direct you instead to MPACK and" MMAIL.  You can pick both up from:  -   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/e  L (There may be newer versions of MPACK around though, check the freeware CD.)   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu.? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech 0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:30:09 -0400:" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>G Subject: Re: Sending MIME attachments in OpenVMS 7.1-H1 and TCPware 5.3n8 Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000418112832.01d3bb20@24.8.96.48>  . At 03:12 PM 4/18/00 +0000, David Mathog wrote:J >In article <955999311.19338.0.nnrp-11.c1ed965a@news.demon.co.uk>, "Steve 6 >Freegard" <stevenf@alpha-centori.demon.co.uk> writes: > >Hi, > >pN > >I was wondering if anybody knows how to send MIME attachments under VMS.  IM > >have tried MAIL/FOREIGN but this seems to preserve the VMS file format and 1 > >make text files impossible to read in Windoze.  > >nK > >Basically what I am trying to do is send out mail from VMS with multiplehO > >spool files attached, so the recipient can view/print the report in Windows.v >uI >Normally I'd say to use PINE but since it sounds like you may need to dosK >this under control of a DCL procedure I'll direct you instead to MPACK and0# >MMAIL.  You can pick both up from:s >s/ >   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/s  H And if you've got perl and the MIME::Lite module installed, you can use A ftp://ftp.sidhe.org/VMSPerl_Community/Examples/mail_attach.pl to h/ MIME-encode and send whatever files you'd like.c   					Dan  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------L Dan Sugalski                          General and VMS-specific perl training
 dan@sidhe.org*>                                       Mail me for more details   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:00:17 -0400 - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> . Subject: Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert!0 Message-ID: <38FC8691.4F17BD1C@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Bob Kaplow wrote:oM > I got one too. It seemed pretty pointless to me. I trashed it, but kept theh! > tube for my model rocket hobby!t > I > I got another oVMS poster a couple months back (packaged in yet another ? > rocket to be), plus a nice desk clock trinket just after Y2K.  >  >         Bob Kaplow > N > SPAM:   spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com  uce@ftc.gov     postmaster@127.0.0.1  P How come you guys get nice VMS posters, while all I get is a brochure telling meO that my mission is to deploy Windows 2000?  This is the brochure that describescP the "Compaq\Microsoft Frontline Partnership" as though we're fighting a war, andO has a nice picture of the US Air Force Blue Angels with a bulls eye surroundingoL the lead plane... This brochure also claims Windows 2000 is "virtually crashO proof", and states that my agency should "establish Microsoft Windows 2000 as aoP real enterprise-class operating system".  Perhaps this brochure has a subliminalC message; deploying Windows 2000 is like shooting down our own boys.     - JBo   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:26:57 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> / Subject: Re: Sun considers VMS a "mainframe" OS H Message-ID: <y4g0sjsqse.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  , young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:  @ > 	Got to learn more about this fairshare scheduling stuff, and @ > 	gang scheduling.  At a recent site, performance was lousy andJ > 	they had to tweek scheduling (a large multi-processor non-Sun Unix box)E > 	and then things got better.  Wonder why something as sophisticatedy' > 	as that can be left to the end-user.   J If you want, because of Goedel and Turing or, put another way, because theH scheduler can't read your mind - you always (should) know more about theJ application's characteristics than you can easily explain to the software.J Of course, the difference lies in how easy, or difficult, it is for you to convey your knowledge properly.3   	Jan   ------------------------------  / Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:12:07 +0200 (MET DST)e& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>= Subject: Re: Sun's challenge to Compaq's high-end Sales Staffo/ Message-ID: <200004180810.KAA32460@fom.fgan.de>    Hello,  ? here in Europe the will buy OpenVMS. The growth of True 64 lastn? quarter was 57%, of OpenVMS 62%. This let me hope, that OpenVMS C is not at the end of life (it would be bad that the younger, betterh= OS would die before the older one). Also I did see, that mores? software will be available for OpenVMS, but Compaq still sleepsaB and say migrate to True64. But if we will migrate, we will migrate to the well known SUN Solaris.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:55:30 GMTl0 From: sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn Malone)# Subject: Re: SWXCR Controller Cardsm1 Message-ID: <38fc4c96.320248152@news.starnet.net>3  F You are correct, we are using the internal type.  Unfortunatley, sinceB the card is currently in a Production System, I can not get to theC part number and the paper work for this system was lost a long times# ago when the system was moved here.B  E I just wanted to see if I could use the same card that resides in the C 400 system because we are thinking of transfering the production toa the faster, beefier 1000.s   Again thanks   Shawno    C On 17 Apr 2000 14:20:30 -0700, dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)  wrote:  3 >In article <38fb752b.265100624@news.starnet.net>,  7 >    sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn Malone) writes:i >> i3 >> I wanted to see if anyone can give me a hand.   w >>  H >> I have an Alphaserver 400 4/166 with 2 Internal Drives and 2 ExternalG >> SWXCR Controllers running off an internal 3-Channel SWXCR Controllero >> Card. >>  H >> I would like to move the Card and SWXCR Controllers to an AlphaServerI >> 1000A 5/400.  Does anyone know if the Card in the 400 will work in the,	 >> 1000A.p >> oA >    Can you be a bit more specific about exactly what you've goto( >(part numbers, etc ). What O/S version? > C >   There are two kinds of SWXCR controllers that I'm aware of. Thec< >"internal" kind ( which I think you are referring to as the= >3-Channel SWXCR controller card ) are relabeled Mylex DAC960eC >raid controllers. These contain up to 3 SCSI busses and build raid3B >arrays from the devices on those buses. There are also "external"A >SWXCR raid controllers ( such as the Raid array 310 ). These areDA >stand-alone units where the disks and raid controller are in theo? >same box - they connect to a host via a fast,wide,differentiale> >SCSI bus. To use these you need a FWD SCSI controller in yourE >host system ( such as a KZPSA ). Raid sets on an external controller B >look just like normal SCSI disks to the host ( ie they show up as >DKxnnn: devices ).c > J >  There shouldn't be a problem using either of these types of controllersF >with an Alphaserver 1000A, though there might be some restrictions asB >to which backplane slot you can install the controller card into. >-
 >> Thanks All  >> e >> Shawn Malone0   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:43:25 GMT:( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com># Subject: Re: SWXCR Controller Cardsa' Message-ID: <Ft7ssE.Lrr@spcuna.spc.edu>r  6 Antony Wardle <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> writes:: > We have an RA200 swxcr card and it is in an alpha 1000a.H > We can't upgrade the firmware past 2.42, ans we get weird disk errrorsE > on 2.49. ie when vms starts, it says that there are 8 optimal diskstA > and 65000 faulty disks. I may try this again as I have replacedc* > the external storage boxes with another.  E   Are you sure that 2.49 is supported on that card? At least with therC RA230 card, the release notes come with a table of what firmware is  supported on each card.a  B   You may also have to initialize the card configuration using theA utility. Be sure that your disks are fully backed up and that youRC have a hardcopy of the controller configuration so you can re-enter E it. Once you've re-entered the parameters and exit from that menu, it-B will ask you something like "some disks have not been initialized D which may cause problems". Tell it it's Ok to continue. You may wantD to do a parity check (with rebuild disabled) to verify the integrity of the sets.  D > We also seem to have fault lights on the disks that aren't faults.  G   If you have cables/shelves/terminators that don't support SWXCR fault F management, be sure to disable it in the controller setup or this will happen.y  L > A restriction of this card is that it can't address more than 32gb of disk
 > storage.  J   That's 32GB per logical device (DRAn:). It's perfectly happy having moreI than 32GB of disk in a RAID set - you just have to carve it up in 32MB orsI less chunks. There's also a limit of 8 DRAn: devices, but people hit thatu one less often.t  J > The 1000a doesn't have a video card, so you have to learn how to run theK > swxcr software in serial mode. the trick is to use crtl b, left [ and TABx  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com-5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:47:57 +0100e8 From: "benchabane@wissal.dz" <benchabane@mail.wissal.dz> Subject: Re: Teste2 Message-ID: <200004180647.HAA07101@mail.wissal.dz>  ! At 00:09 18/04/00 GMT, you wrote:  >Is it getting out ??s >e   Yesr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:14:31 +0200i. From: "peter weideli" <peter.weideli@fides.ch> Subject: Unknow unserl( Message-ID: <38FC0B54.DC58191E@fides.ch>  7 Please stop sending mails to beate.guldenschuh@fides.ch  This is a illegal Addresse   Thanks    
 P. Weideli   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:48:18 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Unknow unser 6 Message-ID: <8dhlii$e2o$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <38FC0B54.DC58191E@fides.ch>, "peter weideli" <peter.weideli@fides.ch> writes:-8 :Please stop sending mails to beate.guldenschuh@fides.ch  E   I will assume that the email you reference is originating from the >I   INFO-VAX mailing list, and that you have not looked at the information .F   on how to unsubscribe a user from the INFO-VAX mailing list that is H   contained in the OpenVMS FAQ.  (http://www.openvms.digital.com/ has a E   link to the FAQ.)  I would encourage you to look at the FAQ, as youeD   may or may not get the attention of the list maintainer by postingH   oddly-titled notes to the INFO-VAX list or (where I saw your message) I   in the comp.os.vms newsgroup (which is gatewayed to the INFO-VAX list).s  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:06:42 GMTt* From: Patrick Coulier <Patrick@Delight.be>' Subject: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???p* Message-ID: <38FC42D6.A1EDA5E2@Delight.be>   Dear Group,r  , I have again a MIME thing going on again ...  A I wanted to send a simple text-enclosure via Email using the MIMEh
 utility under 7 VMS 7.2-1. I received from TSC already a patch for MIMEi (mime_v132_alpha.bck),? so I'm not using the original MIME, but the last version V1.32.k   My first test:   The enclosure looks like ...   $ type ENCLOSURE.TXT;1 Enclosure line 1 Enclosure line 2 Enclosure line 3  ! I compose the actual MIME-messagef   MIME> new message.txtn? An edit-session opens and I add 3 lines for testing purposes...- Message line 1 Message line 2 Message line 3& I do a simple exit to leave the editor MIME> add enclosure.txtt
 MIME> list Message Headers:&         Content-Type:  multipart/mixed3         Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCII    Attachment: 1o5         Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 $         Content-Disposition:  inline3         Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCII    Attachment: 2g5         Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 (         Content-Disposition:  attachment3         Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCIIi
 MIME> exit Save current file? y# %MIME-I-SAVEFILE, saving file . . .u MESSAGE.TXTt   $ dir message.txt0  ! Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[COULIER]s  ? MESSAGE.TXT;2                             2/9       18-APR-2000  10:21:42.52i? MESSAGE.TXT;1                             0/0       18-APR-2000f 10:18:32.34a   Total of 2 files, 2/9 blocks.f  D I get 2 versions of the file and the oldest versions is empty (I can	 live witho, that, but is doesn't look nice, does it ...)   $ type MESSAGE.TXT;  Mime-version: 1.0eD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit % Message-ID: <54353.956049702@OpenVMS>r   --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inlinen   Message line 1 Message line 2 Message line 3 --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit.7 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ENCLOSURE.TXTt   Enclosure line 1 Enclosure line 2 Enclosure line 3  --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702--      E Using SFF (Send From File) to work around the UCX 5.0A SMTP NULL line  bug,$ I add 3 lines at the top of the file  A Note:  SFF is a non documented feature that was explained in thise	 newsgroup   by Paul Mosteika (02 Mar 2000)    $ type MESSAGE.TXT;n MAIL FROM:<> RCPT TO:<patrick@delight.be> DATA Mime-version: 1.0 D Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn% Message-ID: <54353.956049702@OpenVMS>g   --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bity Content-Disposition: inlineh   Message line 1 Message line 2 Message line 3 --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bita7 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ENCLOSURE.TXT    Enclosure line 1 Enclosure line 2 Enclosure line 3  --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702--    / $ SMTP_SFF :== $TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXEv $ SMTP_SFF MESSAGE.TXT;     F When using an Outlook/Exchange combination on PC or a Quickmail client on MAC,t) the enclosure DOES NOT GET RECOGNISED !!!d    I just see a message containing:   --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitf Content-Disposition: inlineC   Message line 1 Message line 2 Message line 3 --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitu7 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ENCLOSURE.TXTt   Enclosure line 1 Enclosure line 2 Enclosure line 3  --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702--      G I have to edit the file MANUALLY and make the following changes to makee the  thing work :    .  .  . Mime-version: 1.0tF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702"  .  .  .  G Once the boundary-string is in between "double quotes" everything seemsa to work_ fine..    > Does this mean that the MIME-utility is a bit out of order ???" All extra info is very welcome ...   Polite greetings,    Patrick Couliera Patrickatdelightdotbe-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:03:17 +0200g5 From: Philippe Marmillod <philippe.marmillod@epfl.ch>n+ Subject: Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???C' Message-ID: <38FC40F5.6B580A2E@epfl.ch>c  2 	I don't understand why Compaq dont do the effort:C 1) to incorporate the MIME utility inside  MAIL to facilitate files. attachment and extraction.F 2) to furnish a MAIL utility capable to display  ISO charset (non-US!)/ 3) possibly to debug this eysore MIME utility !    	Philippe Marmillode
 	EPFL-CRPP 	Lausanne Switzerlands  D (sory for my froggy englich, from the long time I'm working on VMS I speak only DEClanguage)m   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:49:05 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???o6 Message-ID: <8dhlk1$e2o$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  W In article <38FC42D6.A1EDA5E2@Delight.be>, Patrick Coulier <Patrick@Delight.be> writes:/- :I have again a MIME thing going on again ...o  D   I have passed your question along to the engineer working on MIME.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 16:21:05 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>3+ Subject: Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???tH Message-ID: <y4n1mrqylq.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  , Patrick Coulier <Patrick@Delight.be> writes:  I > Once the boundary-string is in between "double quotes" everything seemss > to work fine.b  I Looking through my mail archives, it seems that every of the quite variedIH pieces of software that sent me something with a "boundary=" used quotes for the actual boundary text...    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:54:10 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)+ Subject: Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???r, Message-ID: <8di0f2$66f@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  _ In article <38FC40F5.6B580A2E@epfl.ch>, Philippe Marmillod <philippe.marmillod@epfl.ch> writes:n3 >	I don't understand why Compaq dont do the effort:pD >1) to incorporate the MIME utility inside  MAIL to facilitate files >attachment and extraction.lG >2) to furnish a MAIL utility capable to display  ISO charset (non-US!)a0 >3) possibly to debug this eysore MIME utility ! >  >	Philippe Marmillod >	EPFL-CRPP- >	Lausanne Switzerland >-  K Agreed - MAIL should have been MIME enabled about 5 years ago.  Since they aI didn't do it, and STILL have not done it in any real way (MIME tool only  J works between VMS systems, now is that dorky or what?) I ported the needed tools.    $ It isn't at all hard to use them...    $!G $!    pack up login.com into "sendme.txt".  My port of mpack can't sendr> $!    directly successfully, but somebody else's possibly can. $!4 $  mpack -s "this is a test" -o sendme.txt login.com $!P $!   mail sendme.txt using special magic so that it shows up as MIME attachment._ $!   The file is deleted after it is mailed.  Mmail accepts a comma delimited list of filenames Q $!   Set the P3 parameter to anything but "" if you don't have MULTINET, then it @/ $!   will talk directly to the local SMTP port.7 $!% $ mmail sendme.txt mathog@caltech.edus $ mail MAIL> 1 ! MAIL> extract/noheader killme.txtm
 MAIL> exit $ type killme.txt2# From: MATHOG@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edui2 Date: 18-APR-2000 08:47:01.80 ,sender's local time To: MATHOG@caltech.edu3 Message-ID: <5568.956047559@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu>u Mime-Version: 1.0l Subject: this is a teste+ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-"   9 This is a MIME encoded message.  Decode it with "munpack"h? or any other MIME reading software.  Mpack/munpack is availables2 via anonymous FTP in ftp.andrew.cmu.edu:pub/mpack/ ---n8 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="login.com"! Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64-1 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="login.com"7% Content-MD5: pZRd7oKt7lABlE/lNnBrag==h  H JCEKJCEgVGhpcyBjb21tYW5kIHByb2NlZHVyZSBpcyBhIGZyYW1ld29yayBmb3IgYnVpbGRp etc.   To decode just do    $ munpack killme.txt, MUNPACK: FATAL ERROR: file exists: login.com  A That's a safety measure, you really don't want somebody replacingt0 any of your files without you knowing it, right?    $ rename login.com old_login.com $ munpack killme.txt$ login.com (application/octet-stream) $ diff login.com old_login.com& Number of difference sections found: 0% Number of difference records found: 0     DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1-&     USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG]LOGIN.COM;1-)     USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG]OLD_LOGIN.COM;1u   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduo? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:59:53 +0100h* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>+ Subject: Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???i, Message-ID: <8di0pu$108c@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  \ "Patrick Coulier" <Patrick@Delight.be> wrote in message news:38FC42D6.A1EDA5E2@Delight.be... >fI > Once the boundary-string is in between "double quotes" everything seemsl > to work fine.d  @ > Does this mean that the MIME-utility is a bit out of order ???$ > All extra info is very welcome ...   From RFC 2046:  < 'WARNING TO IMPLEMENTORS:  The grammar for parameters on theD Content-type field is such that it is often necessary to enclose theJ boundary parameter values in quotes on the Content-type line.  This is notA always necessary, but never hurts. Implementors should be sure to8? study the grammar carefully in order to avoid producing invalidn Content-type fields. '  ? On a quick check, it appears that the '/', is such a character.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:03:47 -0400s0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???t/ Message-ID: <38FC956F.1D0F7878@vl.videotron.ca>i   Philippe Marmillod wrote:iH > 2) to furnish a MAIL utility capable to display  ISO charset (non-US!)  K Never had problems displaying ISO-LATIN characters in MAIL. Perhaps you arei' refering to the mime encoding/decoding.,  J The big problem with this is a question of responsability. Should the SMTPL gateway convert everything to VMSmail format and feed it to the regular MAILL (and thus maintain VMS MAIL compatibility), or should VMS Mail be updated toN convert accented characters to their =xx encoding (as well as Mime support etcI etc), but thus breaking the VMS MAIL compatibility since it would requiren" added fields etc in the messages.   H Systens that do just RFC822/SMTP messaging have it easy. They can encodeJ everything "internet style" and never worry. But systesm such as VMS which5 have had their own mail protocol , it is not so easy.   M Ideally, VMSmail would be updated to support binary attachements with a fieldlK indicating their mime type. And the SMTP *gateway* would then convert it toeM RFC822/etc format to/from the internet. But that would require a major update L to VMS mail structure to allow attachements. (hence breaking compatibility).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:47:46 GMTo* From: Patrick Coulier <Patrick@Delight.be>/ Subject: Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ??? BIS.* Message-ID: <38FC84B7.86DFE827@Delight.be>   Dear group,     3 I would like to add another strange MIME-behaviour:r  H The MIME-utility seems to produce a stream-LF file that uncovers 1 error when doing an analyze/rms.G When I do an analyze/rms on the message.txt file of previous post I get  following error:   $ analyze/rms MESSAGE.TXTb  D Check RMS File Integrity                     18-APR-2000 15:43:56.95 Page 1$ SYS$SYSDEVICE:[COULIER]MESSAGE.TXT;6     FILE HEADER   7         File Spec: SYS$SYSDEVICE:[COULIER]MESSAGE.TXT;61         File ID: (9361,176,0)d         Owner UIC: [COULIER]A         Protection:  System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RE, World:e0         Creation Date:   18-APR-2000 15:39:08.96;         Revision Date:   18-APR-2000 15:39:09.07, Number: 1l0         Expiration Date: 18-APR-2000 15:39:20.65$         Backup Date:     none posted!         Contiguity Options:  nones!         Performance Options: none !         Reliability Options: noneh!         Journaling Enabled:  none      RMS FILE ATTRIBUTESt  %         File Organization: sequential           Record Format: stream-LF+         Record Attributes:  carriage-returnw         Maximum Record Size: 0         Longest Record: 32767 3         Blocks Allocated: 9, Default Extend Size: 0n,         End-of-File VBN: 2, Offset: %X'004C'!         File Monitoring: disableda         Global Buffer Count: 0= ***  VBN 2:  Last stream record does not contain a delimiter.t5 Unrecoverable error encountered in structure of file.u     The analysis uncovered 1 error.b     ANAL/RMS MESSAGE.TXT    F Seems to me there is still a bit of work to do for the MIME-utility on VMS.   Polite greetings,e   Patrick Couliert Patrickatdelightdotcom         Patrick Coulier wrote:  
 > Dear Group,t > . > I have again a MIME thing going on again ... >iC > I wanted to send a simple text-enclosure via Email using the MIMEe > utility underl9 > VMS 7.2-1. I received from TSC already a patch for MIME  > (mime_v132_alpha.bck),A > so I'm not using the original MIME, but the last version V1.32.  >i > My first test: >e > The enclosure looks like ... >f > $ type ENCLOSURE.TXT;1 > Enclosure line 1 > Enclosure line 2 > Enclosure line 3 > # > I compose the actual MIME-messagee >t > MIME> new message.txt A > An edit-session opens and I add 3 lines for testing purposes...o > Message line 1 > Message line 2 > Message line 3( > I do a simple exit to leave the editor > MIME> add enclosure.txt/ > MIME> list > Message Headers:( >         Content-Type:  multipart/mixed5 >         Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCII: >   Attachment: 1 7 >         Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1c& >         Content-Disposition:  inline5 >         Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCIIw >   Attachment: 2i7 >         Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 * >         Content-Disposition:  attachment5 >         Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCIIU > MIME> exit > Save current file? y% > %MIME-I-SAVEFILE, saving file . . . 
 > MESSAGE.TXTg >e > $ dir message.txts > # > Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[COULIER]W >eA > MESSAGE.TXT;2                             2/9       18-APR-2000G
 > 10:21:42.52aA > MESSAGE.TXT;1                             0/0       18-APR-2000 
 > 10:18:32.34h >$ > Total of 2 files, 2/9 blocks.> > F > I get 2 versions of the file and the oldest versions is empty (I can > live witht. > that, but is doesn't look nice, does it ...) >u > $ type MESSAGE.TXT;a > Mime-version: 1.0yF > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bita' > Message-ID: <54353.956049702@OpenVMS>o >h  > --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702. > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  > Content-Disposition: inlineu >  > Message line 1 > Message line 2 > Message line 3  > --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702. > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 9 > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ENCLOSURE.TXTO >X > Enclosure line 1 > Enclosure line 2 > Enclosure line 3" > --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702-- > G > Using SFF (Send From File) to work around the UCX 5.0A SMTP NULL line- > bug,& > I add 3 lines at the top of the file >0C > Note:  SFF is a non documented feature that was explained in this: > newsgroup:! >  by Paul Mosteika (02 Mar 2000)F >D > $ type MESSAGE.TXT;  > MAIL FROM:<> > RCPT TO:<patrick@delight.be> > DATA > Mime-version: 1.0 F > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bita' > Message-ID: <54353.956049702@OpenVMS>k >   > --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702. > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  > Content-Disposition: inliner >i > Message line 1 > Message line 2 > Message line 3  > --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702. > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 9 > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ENCLOSURE.TXTl >x > Enclosure line 1 > Enclosure line 2 > Enclosure line 3" > --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702-- >e1 > $ SMTP_SFF :== $TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXEn > $ SMTP_SFF MESSAGE.TXT;a >eH > When using an Outlook/Exchange combination on PC or a Quickmail client	 > on MAC,s+ > the enclosure DOES NOT GET RECOGNISED !!!d >:" > I just see a message containing: >   > --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702. > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitf > Content-Disposition: inline  >E > Message line 1 > Message line 2 > Message line 3  > --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702. > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 9 > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ENCLOSURE.TXT. >; > Enclosure line 1 > Enclosure line 2 > Enclosure line 3" > --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702-- >fI > I have to edit the file MANUALLY and make the following changes to makei > theo > thing work : >n >  . >  . >  . > Mime-version: 1.0SH > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702" >  . >  . >  . >4I > Once the boundary-string is in between "double quotes" everything seemsS	 > to workn > fine.5 >3@ > Does this mean that the MIME-utility is a bit out of order ???$ > All extra info is very welcome ... >t > Polite greetings,g >i > Patrick Coulier2 > PatrickatdelightdotbeM   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:08:11 +0200n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>l# Subject: Re: Web server for VAX/VMSe) Message-ID: <38FC502B.41C60AA5@gtech.com>p   Geoff Roberts wrote:= > I'm running WASD on a Vax 6440 under VMS 6.0 at the moment..H > It works very well, and the price is right.  ie Free, and it has a lot > ofD > features that don't exist in OSU.   (Comes with Yahmail, Web basedF > access to VMS mail using SSL for instance, AND a HTTP Proxy server.)  = You can use YAHMAIL and SSL with OSU as well (not in the base $ distribution, but they fit in fine).   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:15:23 GMTO, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)A Subject: Re: What are some reasons for different size executablesn' Message-ID: <2000Apr18.081523.1@eisner>   w In article <slGJ4.7566$fV.658146@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:1M > His first stab at this was to build code on the dev VAX.  He is complainingNK > about the fact that executables on the development system are larger thanMI > they are on the production VAX, even though the VMS version is the sameX4 > (7.1) and the DECC Compiler versions are the same.  H Check the compiler options and linker options as recorded in the listingC and map files.  Check for less obvious differences like a different-C version of DECwindows or other layer he may be compiling or linking8B against.  We had a minor release of DECwindows once create a majorF difference in compile time and listing size, I wouldn't be suprized toC see some small change or patch somewhere have the side efect you'ren seeing.d  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationE= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupmE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:31:58 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>". Subject: Re: What is  %SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT error ?H Message-ID: <y4d7nnsqk1.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  % "Lars Jacobsen" <laja@tdk.dk> writes:e  8 > I get this error from time to time on different nodes. > 4 > Scheduler Job #17 (NAME: DAN_DB) finished, Status:I >  %SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT, AST fault, SP=!XL, param=!XL, PC=!XH, PS=!XL, targetj > PC=!XH, PS=!XL  J Try HELP MESSAGE ASTFLT. IIRC, this means an AST corrupted the stack frameL such that the system routine cleaning up afterwards got confused. Not a good sign.M   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:55:37 +0200c$ From: Paul Sture <sture.ch@sture.ch>? Subject: Re: Why are there no French people in this newsgroup ? + Message-ID: <VA.0000000a.08d32c9f@sture.ch>s  > In article <38FAFF1D.C1AC086E@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn wrote:/ > From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>- > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms8A > Subject: Re: Why are there no French people in this newsgroup ?o' > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:10:05 +0100p >  >  >  > Paul Sture wrote:2 > g > >  My Swiss German boss claims that he doesn't like English (although he's pretty good at it), but heh" > > prefers to program in English. > L > Is that some new fangled 5th generation progamming language, that English? > :-)  >  > 7 Yep. Beats the heck out of uncommented C code, any day.-   :-) :-)-
 Paul Sture Switzerlande   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:02:47 +0200-. From: "peter weideli" <peter.weideli@fides.ch>; Subject: [Fwd: Open source, was: re: So who will buy VMS ?]i( Message-ID: <38FC40C5.2E270FAF@fides.ch>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2[ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bith      & --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch <           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 301K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:52:52 +0200T@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 255K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:52:50 +0200d0 From: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com (Antonio Carlini) X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsd8 Subject: Re: Open source, was: re: So who will buy VMS ?# Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:49:56 GMTn Organization: COMPAQ* Message-ID: <8dh3gq$uau@usenet.pa.dec.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETe X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000a  h In article <009E8BFC.05FDA5DF.22@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote:F >If you get trouble with VMS or Tru64, you rely on Compaq for a fix. ID >trust Compaq rather more than Microsoft, but it's still a monopoly.  L With OpenVMS you have the source listings on CD if you think you need them. O Not quite the same as being able to ftp the sources for the whole OS but if it l! matters to you you can get this. .  L I don't know what the situation is for Tru64 - you might be able to get the N sources (or listings) if you hold an AT&T source licence (except that I don't  think that it's AT&T any more).m   Antonio   I Antonio Carlini                            Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.comu# DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Engineering 6 COMPAQ                                     Reading, UK  & --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.chq<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 185K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:15:01 +0200l@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 119K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:14:58 +0200a2 From: "Doug Stephenson" <Doug.Stephenson@sbpa.com> X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms-- Subject: Rich Text File Print drivers for VMSe3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0t5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0-$ Message-ID: <6tWK4.102$Pa.2691@news># Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:06:58 GMTy X-Complaints-To: news@cw.netC X-Trace: news 956052418 209.27.3.53 (Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:06:58 EDT)E0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:06:58 EDT To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETu X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000t  F My customers are in need of a means of creating Word Processor caliberJ letters (bolding, multiple fonts, tables, etc).  Our product allows a listK processing capability, but it is a text based system.  We have come up withNK a scheme to allow our customers to create the letter in RTF format on their:D PC, move it to the VMS system and our merge process handles the textJ insertions, keeping the necessary RTF formatting in place.  The problem isL that the customer will be required to move the resulting merged file back toI the PC to print.   Does anyone know of drivers available for VMS that can  print these files properly?*        & --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.chi<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 330K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:37:22 +0200t@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 255K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:37:19 +0200iG From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms / Subject: Re: Sun considers VMS a "mainframe" OS   Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:26:57 +0200N Organization: Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, GermanyH Message-ID: <y4g0sjsqse.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>` X-Trace: sunu789.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 956049999 3395 134.147.176.178 (18 Apr 2000 09:26:39 GMT)+ NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:26:39 GMTa" X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET0 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000M  , young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:  @ > 	Got to learn more about this fairshare scheduling stuff, and @ > 	gang scheduling.  At a recent site, performance was lousy andJ > 	they had to tweek scheduling (a large multi-processor non-Sun Unix box)E > 	and then things got better.  Wonder why something as sophisticatedt' > 	as that can be left to the end-user.   J If you want, because of Goedel and Turing or, put another way, because theH scheduler can't read your mind - you always (should) know more about theJ application's characteristics than you can easily explain to the software.J Of course, the difference lies in how easy, or difficult, it is for you to convey your knowledge properly.A   	Jan  & --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch <           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 293K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:37:22 +0200l@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 255K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:37:20 +0200dG From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>e X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms.. Subject: Re: What is  %SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT error ?  Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:31:58 +0200N Organization: Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, GermanyH Message-ID: <y4d7nnsqk1.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>` X-Trace: sunu789.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 956050300 3395 134.147.176.178 (18 Apr 2000 09:31:40 GMT)+ NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:31:40 GMTn" X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET  X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000G  % "Lars Jacobsen" <laja@tdk.dk> writes:   8 > I get this error from time to time on different nodes. > 4 > Scheduler Job #17 (NAME: DAN_DB) finished, Status:I >  %SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT, AST fault, SP=!XL, param=!XL, PC=!XH, PS=!XL, target  > PC=!XH, PS=!XL  J Try HELP MESSAGE ASTFLT. IIRC, this means an AST corrupted the stack frameL such that the system routine cleaning up afterwards got confused. Not a good sign.0   	Jan  & --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch <           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 188K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:47:21 +0200 @ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch;           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 79uK           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:47:20 +0200,G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsb$ Subject: Re: out through the in door  Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:44:42 +0200N Organization: Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, GermanyH Message-ID: <y4aeirspyt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>` X-Trace: sunu789.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 956051064 3395 134.147.176.178 (18 Apr 2000 09:44:24 GMT)+ NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:44:24 GMT " X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETn X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000a  L Look at the pipeline quotas on both ends. Especially with the receiving nodeH slower than the sending one, it can happen that packets are dropped intoJ oblivion, and the default DECnet time-outs are quite long, so it takes itsJ time to retransmit. When the first Alpha came along, one had to reduce the5 pipeline quota to a few kB to get useful performance.    	Jan  & --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.chs<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 339K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:58:08 +0200g@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 255K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:58:07 +0200-G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>I X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ) Subject: Re: Portable unformatted files 2O  Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:54:33 +0200N Organization: Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, GermanyH Message-ID: <y47ldvspie.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>` X-Trace: sunu789.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 956051655 3395 134.147.176.178 (18 Apr 2000 09:54:15 GMT)+ NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:54:15 GMT8" X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET  X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000f  . koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  L > > What about the rumour of the International Space Station being "full of  > > VAXen"---any truth to that?u > J > I believe none.  There is a VAX/VMS based Ada cross compiler being used J > to support code development, I forget the target chip (possibly 8051).    M IIRC, they're using 80386s for all control processorts - a radiation-hardened J version, obviously. Sandia is promising a radiation hardened Pentium (586) sometime soon.   	Jan  & --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch-<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 147K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:09:24 +0200 @ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 124K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:09:21 +0200FG From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms09 Subject: Re: Compaq FORTRAN: bring back /CROSS_REFERENCE.:  Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:03:58 +0200N Organization: Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, GermanyH Message-ID: <y44s8zsp2p.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>` X-Trace: sunu789.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 956052221 3395 134.147.176.178 (18 Apr 2000 10:03:41 GMT)+ NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 10:03:41 GMTn" X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETI X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000-  . Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:  H > We didn't "remove" it - it just hasn't been implemented in the Fortran@ > 90/95 compiler yet.  It's on our list of things we want to do.  O >From which we can deduce that the F90/95 compiler had been primarily developedSH on Unix, where such simple facilities are all but absent. See that majorJ innovation in (C|D)VF 6, or Sun's Fortran compiler recently, that provides? readable error messages and, hey!, even a symbolic stack trace.:   	Jan  & --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch <           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 326K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:36:04 +02001@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 257K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:36:02 +0200 G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms + Subject: Re: Is sys$dclexh ever not called?n  Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:30:15 +0200N Organization: Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, GermanyH Message-ID: <y41z43snuw.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>` X-Trace: sunu789.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de 956053798 3395 134.147.176.178 (18 Apr 2000 10:29:58 GMT)+ NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 10:29:58 GMTc" X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET0 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000=  7 "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> writes::  M > What I'm wondering is if the registered routine is called if someone uses a J > "big stick" to hit it over the head - say sys$delprc. To a lesser extentL > what happens if there's an unhanded condition while the image is executingM > (although in this second case I'm guessing that it's entirely possible thatc > "all bets are off").  J It's a bit unfortunate that VMS's terminology isn't quite as consistent asM it's actual internal operation. What really happens behind the scenes is that K $EXIT is called at different processor modes: any exit from a running user- J mode application, or a $FORCEX call, does a $EXIT from user mode; DCL STOPI does a supervisor-mode $EXIT; $DELPRC (on which STOP/ID is based) does an K exec-mode $EXIT; I dunno whether anything ever does a kernel-mode $EXIT (iniI which case RMS couldn't run down, which is a Bad Thing). For any of these N cases, all exit handlers in the same or inner modes are executed sequentially;K in fact, one can imagine that the last thing a $EXIT at one mode does is toXH call $EXIT with the next inner mode. DCL regains control by installing aI supervisor-mode exit handler that unwinds the stack back to the prompt orrJ command procedure read routine, whichever may be active (which answers theN question from another post). All very regular...why the original design didn'tN just make $DELPRC take an access mode and a condition value, instead of havingK $EXIT, $FORCEX, $DELPRC, I don't know - maybe one of the original designerss can chip in?   	Jan  & --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch ;           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 94oK           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:12:22 +0200 @ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 267K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:12:20 +0200S- From: Jouk Jansen <JOUKJ@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>. X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsk Subject: Re: CXML and SETI% Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:54:45 +0200 ) Organization: Nationaal Centrum voor HREMr3 Message-ID: <38FC30E5.675458E0@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>n Mime-Version: 1.0%* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit!S X-Trace: news.tudelft.nl 956044488 17423 130.161.241.120 (18 Apr 2000 07:54:48 GMT)a' X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.tudelft.nl + NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 07:54:48 GMTMS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2-1   Digital Personal WorkStation )  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETt X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000    Steve Lionel wrote:D > 4 > On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:22:57 -0400, David A Froble > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > R > >It would probably be counter-productive, but I'd like to see Compaq release theQ > >ultra fast SETI client.  It would then force the SETI people to decide whether1= > >they wanted results, or are just another political entity.  > E > The SETI project does not want us to release the version of the 1.3eC > client that uses CXML, and the rules are that 2.x clients are not H > allowed to use vendor-supplied FFT routines - you have to use the code? > as they supply it.  The SETI folks claim that the "science isdB > compromised" if different FFT code is used.  Personally, I don'tB > understand that, but it's their project and they get to make the > rules.C No it should be the otherwa round. "Science would be compromised if G different FFT code would give -within the numerical accuracy- different A answers". I always test my "scientific programs" with differerent0G FFT-packages. I normally get almost the same answers (as expected). The4G diffrences you find are of the same order as running the same code on 2-< different CPU's. Or are the SETI folks preventing this too??  %                                  Joukt -- 9  > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk JansenM 		 I   joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nla  E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd5F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     ddoG   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     ddeF   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   dddddddX  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  ( --------------1FE5C7E6BC10E9F0FF9B80A2--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:02:24 +0200l. From: "peter weideli" <peter.weideli@fides.ch>. Subject: [Fwd: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???]( Message-ID: <38FC40AE.C7CFB334@fides.ch>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2[ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353". Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bito      & --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.cha<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 277K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:09:18 +0200 @ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 269K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:09:16 +0200 * Message-ID: <38FC42D6.A1EDA5E2@Delight.be>* From: Patrick Coulier <Patrick@Delight.be> Reply-To: Patrick@Delight.be) Organization: Delight Information SystemsO) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC)  X-Accept-Language: enn MIME-Version: 1.0h X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ' Subject: VMS and MIME: Next episode ??? [ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"o Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr# Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:06:42 GMTi( X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@kpnqwest.netY X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 956048802 193.74.200.2 (Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:06:42 MET DST)a4 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:06:42 MET DST To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETr X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000s   Dear Group,   , I have again a MIME thing going on again ...  A I wanted to send a simple text-enclosure via Email using the MIME 
 utility undere7 VMS 7.2-1. I received from TSC already a patch for MIMEe (mime_v132_alpha.bck),? so I'm not using the original MIME, but the last version V1.32.b   My first test:   The enclosure looks like ...   $ type ENCLOSURE.TXT;1 Enclosure line 1 Enclosure line 2 Enclosure line 3  ! I compose the actual MIME-messagee   MIME> new message.txta? An edit-session opens and I add 3 lines for testing purposes...i Message line 1 Message line 2 Message line 3& I do a simple exit to leave the editor MIME> add enclosure.txt 
 MIME> list Message Headers:&         Content-Type:  multipart/mixed3         Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCII7   Attachment: 125         Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1v$         Content-Disposition:  inline3         Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCII)   Attachment: 205         Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1p(         Content-Disposition:  attachment3         Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCII 
 MIME> exit Save current file? y# %MIME-I-SAVEFILE, saving file . . .b MESSAGE.TXTh   $ dir message.txt   ! Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[COULIER]o  ? MESSAGE.TXT;2                             2/9       18-APR-2000s 10:21:42.52o? MESSAGE.TXT;1                             0/0       18-APR-20008 10:18:32.342   Total of 2 files, 2/9 blocks.t  D I get 2 versions of the file and the oldest versions is empty (I can	 live withs, that, but is doesn't look nice, does it ...)   $ type MESSAGE.TXT;u Mime-version: 1.06D Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit-% Message-ID: <54353.956049702@OpenVMS>n   --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bito Content-Disposition: inline    Message line 1 Message line 2 Message line 3 --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bite7 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ENCLOSURE.TXTt   Enclosure line 1 Enclosure line 2 Enclosure line 3  --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702--      E Using SFF (Send From File) to work around the UCX 5.0A SMTP NULL linee bug,$ I add 3 lines at the top of the file  A Note:  SFF is a non documented feature that was explained in thisu	 newsgroup   by Paul Mosteika (02 Mar 2000)s   $ type MESSAGE.TXT;i MAIL FROM:<> RCPT TO:<patrick@delight.be> DATA Mime-version: 1.0pD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit>% Message-ID: <54353.956049702@OpenVMS>    --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitF Content-Disposition: inline:   Message line 1 Message line 2 Message line 3 --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bite7 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ENCLOSURE.TXT    Enclosure line 1 Enclosure line 2 Enclosure line 3  --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702--    / $ SMTP_SFF :== $TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXEr $ SMTP_SFF MESSAGE.TXT;1    F When using an Outlook/Exchange combination on PC or a Quickmail client on MAC,G) the enclosure DOES NOT GET RECOGNISED !!!t    I just see a message containing:   --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitD Content-Disposition: inlinen   Message line 1 Message line 2 Message line 3 --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr7 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ENCLOSURE.TXTn   Enclosure line 1 Enclosure line 2 Enclosure line 3  --OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702--      G I have to edit the file MANUALLY and make the following changes to makeE theS thing work :    .  .  . Mime-version: 1.0tF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="OpenVMS/MIME.54353.956049702"  .  .  .  G Once the boundary-string is in between "double quotes" everything seemsn to workn fine.R    > Does this mean that the MIME-utility is a bit out of order ???" All extra info is very welcome ...   Polite greetings,h   Patrick Coulier  Patrickatdelightdotbeh      & --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.chr<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 326K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:25:38 +0200.@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 267K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:25:37 +0200u% Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:55:37 +0200@ X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsh Mime-Version: 1.0-, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit0T X-Newsreader: Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va Organization: Home+ Message-ID: <VA.0000000a.08d32c9f@sture.ch>E? Subject: Re: Why are there no French people in this newsgroup ? $ From: Paul Sture <sture.ch@sture.ch> Reply-To: sture.ch@sture.che1 X-Trace: 18 Apr 2000 09:01:38 +0100, 212.254.11.1n To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETn X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000e  > In article <38FAFF1D.C1AC086E@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn wrote:/ > From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>n > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms-A > Subject: Re: Why are there no French people in this newsgroup ?i' > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:10:05 +01003 >  >  >  > Paul Sture wrote:N > g > >  My Swiss German boss claims that he doesn't like English (although he's pretty good at it), but he0" > > prefers to program in English. > L > Is that some new fangled 5th generation progamming language, that English? > :-)) >  > 7 Yep. Beats the heck out of uncommented C code, any day.u   :-) :-)0
 Paul Sture Switzerland     & --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch8<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 344K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:52:47 +0200o@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 267K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:52:44 +0200.* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  Subject: how to kill NSLOOKUP?!  Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:37:14 GMT< Organization: Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, Kapteyn Instituut. Message-ID: <8dhaca$151$1@info.service.rug.nl> Reply-To: helbig@astro.rug.nliS X-Trace: info.service.rug.nl 956050634 1185 129.125.6.17 (18 Apr 2000 09:37:14 GMT) " X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@rug.nl+ NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:37:14 GMT0 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETe X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000r  G Sometimes, I want to kill NSLOOKUUP---usually when it hangs LYNX.  Why -A can't I just ^Y this?  With a tape drive, I can understand why a M) graceful exit is necessary, but why here?.  & --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2  % Return-Path: <peter.weideli@fides.ch>18 Received: from fides.ch ([193.8.66.249]) by pop.fides.ch>           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with ESMTP id 334;)           Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:39:03 +0200p( Message-ID: <38FC2DBB.674D158B@fides.ch>% Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:41:28 +0200S. From: "peter weideli" <peter.weideli@fides.ch>  Reply-To: peter.weideli@fides.ch( Organization: FIDES Information Services) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC)A X-Accept-Language: enF MIME-Version: 1.0A To: um@fides.ch+E Subject: [Fwd: H5B5 Media AG: Produziert zusammen mit Fox Television]c Content-Type: multipart/mixed;0  boundary="------------CE77FC8C06AE0EB5FE552586" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000r  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------CE77FC8C06AE0EB5FE552586] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit-   Hallo Herr Ullmann  \ Knnen SIe bitte veranlassen dass diese Mails auf Ihre richtige Adresse   verschickt werden.N Die Adresse um@fides.ch funktioniert nur wenn das Mail Intern verschickt wird.Y Fr Externe Mail muss immer die ganze Adresse angegeben werden "michael.ullmann@fides.ch"l   MfGo   Wpen  & --------------CE77FC8C06AE0EB5FE552586 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Content-Disposition: inlinea  & Return-Path: <www@wallstreetonline.de>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch-<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 212<           for <um@fides.ch>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:45:38 +0200< Received: from mail1.wallstreetonline.de ([194.126.132.157])H           by mail1.fides.ch (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with ESMTPB           id 64 for <um@fides.ch>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:45:37 +0200 Received: (from www@localhost)8 	by mail1.wallstreetonline.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16263;  	Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:45:37 +0200% Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:45:37 +0200o= Message-Id: <200004180745.JAA16263@mail1.wallstreetonline.de>- From: mail@wallstreet-online.de: Content-type: text/plain? Subject: H5B5 Media AG: Produziert zusammen mit Fox Television t# Reply-to: info@wallstreet-online.dei X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000-  5 H5B5 Media AG: Produziert zusammen mit Fox Televisionh  5 Der Film- und TV-Produzent H5B5 Media AG (WKN 555540)3H hat eigenen Angaben zufolge die Produktion einer Dokumentationsreihe mitC den US-amerikanischen Fox Television Studios vereinbart. 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Lange-Wildsmith" <la@fides.ch>+ To: "Arnold Klaiber (E-Mail)" <KA@fides.ch>e8 	, "Catherine Sery (E-Mail)" <catherine.sery@wanadoo.fr>= 	, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eseng=FCl_Wetz_=28E-Mail=29?= <WE@fides.ch>m) 	, "Georg Wolters (E-Mail)" <WG@fides.ch>t- 	, "Michael Steputat (E-Mail)" <stp@fides.ch>D+ 	, "Michael Ullmann (E-Mail)" <um@fides.ch>a. 	, "Sabine Wissel (CH) (E-Mail)" <ws@fides.ch>8 	, "Xavier Chauvin (E-Mail)" <Xavier.Chauvin@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Gaeste>% Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:29:05 +0200 5 Message-ID: <000801bfa519$f386dad0$334108c1@fides.ch>3 MIME-Version: 1.09 Content-Type: text/plain;l 	charset="iso-8859-1", Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bite X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal.< X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)8 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000J   Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen,r  C bitte moeglichst folgende Punkte beim Empfang von Gaesten beachten:0( Gaeste nicht 'rund um den Flur' fuehren.@ Unsere Kueche soll nur  Mitarbeitern zugaenglich gemacht werden.K Der Zugang zu den Toiletten sollte nicht durch die Kueche sondern durch den-" Bereich vor dem Fahrstuhl fuehren.> Bitte aussere Tueren offen halten bzw. auf Klingeln hinweisen.F Ohne Vorankuendigung werden Gaeste nicht in die Bueros der Motarbeiter	 gefuehrt.0/ Besprechungen finden im Besprechungsraum statt.ID Der Zugang zum Rechnerraum ist ausschliesslich Mitarbeitern der GmbH
 gestattet.     Mit freundlichen Gruessen-   R. Lange-Wildsmith.0    & --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.cho<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 306K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:25:46 +02001@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 131K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:25:44 +0200 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsh! Subject: Re: Availability ManagerE% Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:53:21 +0100 6 Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Oxon, UK, Message-ID: <8dh7q5$1bqo@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>
 X-Priority: 3g X-MSMail-Priority: Normalo6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.66008 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETe X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000r    \ "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message news:38fb4f12$1@news.kapsch.co.at...Z > In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052841FD@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> writes: L > >Availability Manager is not a traditional performance monitoring product,O > >but rather a proactive tool which is targetted at identifying AND optionally-? > >fixing issues before they impact the production environment.   , > So, where's your point of DECamds vs. AM ?  O He didn't make one. Look at the thread history; he replied to the original posto not the AMDS/AM subthread.  N Personally, I'm quite happy with AM. It's useful to be able to run the monitorG on a machine separate from the systems I am monitoring. For me its moreuA convenient to use an NT box rather than a standalone VMS machine.   I I know Java isn't exactly everyone's favourite cross-platform development G tool but the VMS performance will improve in time. It's not like Compaq-$ can't do a decent JVM when they try.      & --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch><           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 312K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:39:12 +0200 @ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 266K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:39:11 +02000/ From: "Rick Campbell" <rickca.AT@speakeasy.org>. X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms + Subject: Re: Looking for VAX Arch. HandbookN% Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:03:42 -0700T< Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com/ Message-ID: <sfo5muc17l5103@corp.supernews.com>.( X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com
 X-Priority: 3c X-MSMail-Priority: Normal 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.67008 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETl X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000e  J I have a hardback copy of "Computer programming and Architecture: The VAX"K by "Henry M. Levy / Richard H. Eckhouse Jr." Second Edition, published 1989 # Digital Press.  ISBN# 1-55558-015-7N  1 This book has all sorts of Assembler information.s  E What's it worth to you (i belive it sold for close to $59.99 or more)r   Rick.:2 --- To reply, remove the ".DOT" from email address    7 "Timothy Stark" <sword7@speakeasy.org> wrote in messaget3 news:K7QK4.155588$Pa1.3881448@news6.giganews.com...2 > Hello folks: >sG > I am looking for VAX Arch. Handbook (1986 or later) right now.  Do it J > include complete assembly language information?  That's why I want studyK > that for my emulator developement.  Yes, I found VAX open-source emulator / > software in Linux-based sourceforge web site.  >e > Thank you! >r > -- Tim Stark >r        & --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.chk<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 345K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:09:17 +0200e@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 269K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:09:15 +0200t& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ! Subject: RE: Availability Manageri/ Message-ID: <200004180805.KAA31588@fom.fgan.de> / Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:06:50 +0200 (MET DST)-- Organization: Info-Vax<==>Comp.Os.Vms GatewayE# X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing Liste% Content-Md5: 50lq7276LxJ0/fXkLyrufw==i* Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0t To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000I   Hello,   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrotes:-   >>>EK So, I'm still not seeing the advantage of AM over AMDS ? If AM at all, thenDG only in addition to AMDS (to feed some cookies to the Windoes friends).8 <<<2  D At the moment, there is no advantage over DECamds (the functionalityA is lees then DECamds). But AFAIK Compaq will develope only the AMeA and no longer the DECamds Alpha version. So in a few month, thereiC will be an advantage for AM, as you would like it or not (as I am).A   Regards Rudolf Wingert    & --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.ch <           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 249K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:17:04 +0200n@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 269K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:17:02 +0200m& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsi= Subject: Re: Sun's challenge to Compaq's high-end Sales Staffr/ Message-ID: <200004180810.KAA32460@fom.fgan.de>n/ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:12:07 +0200 (MET DST) - Organization: Info-Vax<==>Comp.Os.Vms Gateway # X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing Lista% Content-Md5: F0vDoJeNAce0dRfD6bwRlw==S* Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0i To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000=   Hello,  ? here in Europe the will buy OpenVMS. The growth of True 64 last5? quarter was 57%, of OpenVMS 62%. This let me hope, that OpenVMSnC is not at the end of life (it would be bad that the younger, betteri= OS would die before the older one). Also I did see, that moree? software will be available for OpenVMS, but Compaq still sleeps B and say migrate to True64. But if we will migrate, we will migrate to the well known SUN Solaris.   Regards Rudolf Wingert    & --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2  , Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>5 Received: from quartz ([193.8.66.31]) by pop.fides.chP<           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 307K           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:20:04 +0200I@ Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM ([139.121.16.104]) by mail1.fides.ch;           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62)  with SMTP id 79oK           for <beate.guldenschuh@FIDES.CH>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:20:02 +02001B From: "Softwaregroep TB/GA Gasunie" <e.g.van.der.velde@gasunie.nl> X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsr  Subject: question about printers% Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:25:12 +0200t- Organization: UUNET-NL (http://www.nl.uu.net)i, Message-ID: <8dh20m$fap$1@porthos.nl.uu.net>S X-Trace: porthos.nl.uu.net 956042070 15705 193.78.177.12 (18 Apr 2000 07:14:30 GMT)l  X-Complaints-To: abuse@nl.uu.net+ NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 07:14:30 GMTo3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.345 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3i To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETi X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000    Hello there,    I What do I need to do to get a non digital/compaq printer working on a vmsn queu (e.g. a HP)  ?eI Secondly, are there any utilities (callable routines) which can perform a  'fit to page'  when printing: image files (BMP, GIF, PostScript etc.). Any suggestions ?     Kind regards   Herman Behling      ( --------------F5ED720A8A9BDDDFB00510B2--   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.217 ************************