1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 19 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 218       Contents:; Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2. ; Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2. ; Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2. ; Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2. ; Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2. 6 Re: Anyone running IngresII V2.0 and Alpha VMS 7.1-2 ?0 Re: Compaq FORTRAN: bring back /CROSS_REFERENCE. Re: CXML and SETI  Re: CXML and SETI  Re: DN-V L1 routing licence ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! ! Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!  Re: FS: AlphaBook & Re: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflections Need RDB-DBA 18 months Re: Need RDB-DBA 18 months Re: New VMS books coming out Re: New VMS books coming out Re: New VMS books coming out Re: NT Breaks Again  Re: NT Breaks Again & OpenVMS mail question: Attached files?* Re: OpenVMS mail question: Attached files?$ Re: Percent of time spent training ?) Re[2]: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflections - RE: Re[2]: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflections ! Re: Scheduler & PSDC alternatives ( Re: Seagate ST41600 in MicroVAX 3100/90?( Re: Seagate ST41600 in MicroVAX 3100/90? Re: Security question % Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert! % Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert!  Re: SWXCR Controller Cards Re: SWXCR Controller Cards Verify of Backups  Re: Verify of Backups  Re: Verify of Backups  Re: Verify of Backups  Re: Verify of Backups  Verify of Backups " Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???" Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ??? Re: Web server for VAX/VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 18:34:42 GMT" From: falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk)D Subject: Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2.2 Message-ID: <8F1A7A40Efalkarcabca@205.233.109.125>  - arne.vajhoej@gtech.com (Arne Vajhj) wrote in  <38FC6C5B.132409D4@gtech.com>:     >Gord Coulman wrote:H >> In my experience, DLTs are cleaner and more reliable that DAT. Easily >> worth the price delta.  > F >DLT is both faster and much more reliable than DAT, but the price for? >drives is more than x5 and also tapes are much more expensive.   A It's true that DLT tapes are most expensive, but if you consider  F price/capacity both kinds are very similar in price - except that DLT ) tapes have a MUCH greater rated lifetime.    @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 19:00:33 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)D Subject: Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2.6 Message-ID: <8dibch$m8v$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  W In article <8F1A7A40Efalkarcabca@205.233.109.125>, falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk) writes: . :arne.vajhoej@gtech.com (Arne Vajhj) wrote in  :<38FC6C5B.132409D4@gtech.com>:  :  :>Gord Coulman wrote: I :>> In my experience, DLTs are cleaner and more reliable that DAT. Easily  :>> worth the price delta. :>G :>DLT is both faster and much more reliable than DAT, but the price for @ :>drives is more than x5 and also tapes are much more expensive. : B :It's true that DLT tapes are most expensive, but if you consider G :price/capacity both kinds are very similar in price - except that DLT  * :tapes have a MUCH greater rated lifetime.  J   DDS tape media is rated at 2,000 head passes -- that's not 2,000 BACKUP K   operations, that's 2,000 times past the head, and various operations can  G   easily involve a number of head passes as part of the typical BACKUP.   L   Recent DLT media is rated at a half-million head passes, while the oldest B   DLT media (TK50- and TK52-class) is rated at 20,000 head passes.  H   I tend to go through DDS media like I go through a bag of cookies, and1   through DLT media like a bottle of Tabasco. :-)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:13:48 -0700* From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)D Subject: Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2., Message-ID: <g8ClZPd$k1Gc@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  3 In article <8F1A7A40Efalkarcabca@205.233.109.125>,  % 	falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk) writes: / > arne.vajhoej@gtech.com (Arne Vajhj) wrote in ! > <38FC6C5B.132409D4@gtech.com>:   >  >>Gord Coulman wrote: I >>> In my experience, DLTs are cleaner and more reliable that DAT. Easily  >>> worth the price delta. >>G >>DLT is both faster and much more reliable than DAT, but the price for @ >>drives is more than x5 and also tapes are much more expensive. > C > It's true that DLT tapes are most expensive, but if you consider  H > price/capacity both kinds are very similar in price - except that DLT + > tapes have a MUCH greater rated lifetime.  >   J     The drives aren't necessarily much more expensive either - if you lookD at comparable drives. If you shop around you should be able to find G new ( or "unused" ) DLT 2000XT or DLT 4000 drives for prices comparable ( to what you'd pay for a DDS-3 DAT drive.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:35:50 GMT - From: Dave Pickles <davep@nugate.demon.co.uk> D Subject: Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2.* Message-ID: <8dig51$1ns$1@cyw.uklinux.net>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > L >   DDS tape media is rated at 2,000 head passes -- that's not 2,000 BACKUP M >   operations, that's 2,000 times past the head, and various operations can  I >   easily involve a number of head passes as part of the typical BACKUP.  > N >   Recent DLT media is rated at a half-million head passes, while the oldest D >   DLT media (TK50- and TK52-class) is rated at 20,000 head passes. > J >   I tend to go through DDS media like I go through a bag of cookies, and3 >   through DLT media like a bottle of Tabasco. :-)   F I can echo this experience. While TK50s were slightly flaky, we've runI TZ85/6/7/8/9 for the last 10 years and I have NEVER had a problem reading H a tape. Media bought in 1991 were still in use in 1998 for daily backups with no problems whatsoever.   Dave Pickles   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:09:05 -0500 % From: Chris Scheers <asi@airmail.net> D Subject: Re: ??== Alternatives to DDS-3 DAT tapes on Alpha/OVMS 7.2.O Message-ID: <15849299E712C475.629ED47BBFD1B2AE.F542406B166014C6@lp.airnews.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > Y > In article <8F1A7A40Efalkarcabca@205.233.109.125>, falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk) writes: 0 > :arne.vajhoej@gtech.com (Arne Vajhj) wrote in! > :<38FC6C5B.132409D4@gtech.com>:  > :  > :>Gord Coulman wrote: K > :>> In my experience, DLTs are cleaner and more reliable that DAT. Easily  > :>> worth the price delta. > :>I > :>DLT is both faster and much more reliable than DAT, but the price for B > :>drives is more than x5 and also tapes are much more expensive. > : C > :It's true that DLT tapes are most expensive, but if you consider H > :price/capacity both kinds are very similar in price - except that DLT, > :tapes have a MUCH greater rated lifetime. > K >   DDS tape media is rated at 2,000 head passes -- that's not 2,000 BACKUP L >   operations, that's 2,000 times past the head, and various operations canI >   easily involve a number of head passes as part of the typical BACKUP.  > M >   Recent DLT media is rated at a half-million head passes, while the oldest D >   DLT media (TK50- and TK52-class) is rated at 20,000 head passes. > J >   I tend to go through DDS media like I go through a bag of cookies, and3 >   through DLT media like a bottle of Tabasco. :-)   & You are obviously not a Texan.  <grin>  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  G 817-237-3360 (Voice)    817-237-3074 (Fax)    Internet: asi@airmail.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:07:42 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>? Subject: Re: Anyone running IngresII V2.0 and Alpha VMS 7.1-2 ? ( Message-ID: <38FCAEC6.E8B23DF7@decus.fi>  E Typically, if a vendor would support 7.1, 7.1-1h1 and 7.1-1h2 but not D 7.1-2, the reason just might be that 7.1-2 supports EV6 and the saidC vendor has problems with EV6 based machines. I had to downgrade one > cluster from FIS V7.1-2 to V7.1-1H2 since CA would not supportC Ingres on said V7.1-2. Not that they (or the local vendor on behalf G of CA) had any better luck getting the intended Ingres running intended E way anyway after VMS was downgraded V7.1-1H2 (by installing the whole  thing from scratch).  D Now, CA seems to accept V7.2 so maybe EV6 hunch is wrong. Maybe they! just did not test against V7.1-2.    _veli    Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > D > John Cowell <john.p.cowellNOjoSPAM@btinternet.com.invalid> writes: > O > > CA say that this version of Ingres is OK with Alpha VMS 7.1 and 7.2 but not  > > with 7.1-2.  > P > Sounds very fishy as the difference between the two is that 7.1-2 consolidatesP > a number of patches (and support for additional hardware) that you could - and$ > should - put onto your 7.1 system. > 
 >         Jan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:22:19 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>9 Subject: Re: Compaq FORTRAN: bring back /CROSS_REFERENCE. 7 Message-ID: <200004182322_MC2-A1BC-F46A@compuserve.com>   $ Message text written by Steve Lionel >AndF now, on VMS, F90 supports SCA.  These "cross reference database" toolsE are much more flexible and useful than a cross-reference section in a @ listing file. Nevertheless, we will be adding /CROSS_REFERENCE.<  C         I'm afraid that I don't share your high opinion of SCA.  My J experience is from many years ago but SCA, on a VAXstation 3100/48 ground=  G away for two or three days trying to analyze a program that I recall as J being two or three thousand lines of code in all.  It never did produce a= nyJ results!  Maybe faster hardware  would help but I don't expect ever to se= e J SCA again; the cost is simply too great!  The only reason I ever had it w= asA that I used to work for Princeton University and we had the CSLG.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 17:00:33 CST; From: wayne@tachyon.xxx.351570.killspam.092f (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: CXML and SETI. Message-ID: <A8La9Ucf$8TE@tachxxsoftxxconsult>   In article <y4snwjqztp.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:1 > Jouk Jansen <JOUKJ@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes:  > F >> No it should be the otherwa round. "Science would be compromised ifJ >> different FFT code would give -within the numerical accuracy- differentD >> answers". I always test my "scientific programs" with differerentJ >> FFT-packages. I normally get almost the same answers (as expected). TheJ >> diffrences you find are of the same order as running the same code on 2? >> different CPU's. Or are the SETI folks preventing this too??  > M > Exactly. From experience with a part of CFP2000 that makes fairly heavy use J > of FFTs, the difference in results on different platforms, compilers andJ > sometimes using vendor-specific FFT libraries has always been a sporadicO > off-by-one in the least significant bit. If the science depends on that, it's  > broken anyways.   O Then of course the math library found on a billybox will probably implement the L wrong algorithm, such as calculation of pi instead of fft, or will be off byI several orders of magnitude even if they accidentally attempt the correct  formula.       --  O =============================================================================== K Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachyon.xxx 8 http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:47:35 GMT ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: CXML and SETI; Message-ID: <bC5L4.95339$1C2.2867213@news20.bellglobal.com>   7 Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> wrote in message 2 news:lg9mfs02nn816lckrhfc7oof0matjvduua@4ax.com...4 > On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:22:57 -0400, David A Froble > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   [snip]  E > The SETI project does not want us to release the version of the 1.3 C > client that uses CXML, and the rules are that 2.x clients are not H > allowed to use vendor-supplied FFT routines - you have to use the code? > as they supply it.  The SETI folks claim that the "science is B > compromised" if different FFT code is used.  Personally, I don'tB > understand that, but it's their project and they get to make the > rules. >  > / > Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)  > Fortran Engineering ( > Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH > 8 > Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran  J The SETI folk have stated that they send the same WORK UNIT out to variousK platforms in order to validate test responses (I don't know if they do this K all the time, but they have done it  the past). That said, if they compared L the results of 10,000 work units from CXML clients to non CXML clients then,G they would know rather quickly whether one of the clients was producing  bogus results.  J Since the CXML clients are so much faster than the others, I'm certain theH SETI folk are just trying to maintain a friendly relationship with theirF corporate sponsors. It's not like a scientist (or anyone else for thatK matter) to turn down free CPU power which is just what they're doing by not & allowing the release of a CXML client.  I p.s. Compaq; have your marketing people donate some equipment to the SETI J project (it's probably tax deductible anyway) then quietly mention to themL (SETI) that you would like to release a 'CXML based' SETI client through theL Berkeley site but would like to keep it hush-hush. After the world starts toG download the new client, Alphas will blow the doors off everyone else's L stats. Then, whenever your marketing people need to clinch a sale, just haveJ the client compare Alpha stats with every other platform at the SETI site.8 This PR investment will pay for itself 10 thousand fold.    
 Neil Rieck* Kitchener(New Berlin?)/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 6 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/alpha_diary.html4 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/seti_tips.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:07:40 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>$ Subject: Re: DN-V L1 routing licence( Message-ID: <38FCACAE.1818F2F1@decus.fi>  H Since you specify CSMACD-0 and CSMACD-1, I infer that this has to DECnetD /Plus stuff. Especially since you are using L1 routing  and previousD DECnet/OSI  versions did not have HBR (Host Based Routing), you have@ to be using OpenVMS V7.1 or later and DECnet/Plus V7.1 or later.  H With OSI there are two routing algoruthms at both level 1 (and level 2).A I.e. one can choose between ROUTING VECTOR ROUTING and LINK STATE  routing H algorithms. I think there was problem if DECnet/Plus V7.1 was configuredB to router and also used LINK STATE algorithm. Could you switch to > ROUTING VECTOR ROUTING at L1 and see if this makes any change?  F Of course, since one should actually use same routing algorithm on allF routers (well, it simplifies things), it is just too bad if your otherC OSI routers are using LINK state at L1. However, if you have DECnet A Phase IV routers there, they are using ROUTING VECTOR ROUTING and H then you'd be better off with using RVR also on that DECnet/Plus system.   _veli   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > J > I am attempting to configure an Alpha with two NIC cards -- one 10bT andI > another is 100bT.  I have two circuits CSMACD-0 and CSMACD-1 and I haveSK > run the NET$CONFIGURE procedure to configure the Alpha to use L1 routing.= > L > I suspect that I need a certain license for this to take effect as NET$ACPI > crashes the system with an INVEXCEPTN bughckeck.  Phace IV required theoL > DVNETRTG license.  The Alpha has a NAS-250.  That do I need for L1 routing > with Phase V?  > --P > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM > N > GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:07:35 GMT18 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!( Message-ID: <38FC828B.A809646A@decus.fi>   Ed Wilts wrote:  >  > Veli Krkk wrote: > >AH > > If the DECnet Phase IV system is endnode, i.e. executor routing type8 > > is NONROUTING, it will use lowest cost circuit only. > >nC > > If it is of type ROUTING IV or AREA, it would use all circuits.SA > > But routing on DECnet Phase IV is only supported on VAXes. OngC > > Alphas it is meant only to the extent of cluster alias support.h > >!F > > So, I'd guess that mentioned system with two FDDI and two ethernetH > > using all interfaces just fine is a VAX and is configured as LEVEL 1 > > or LEVEL 2 router. > H > Wrong guess.  That's why I stated it was an AS4100 - Alphaserver 4100,C > running OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2.  It's a true ROUTING Phase IV node!o >  >         .../Ed  D well, maybe things have changed then (or maybe not). As far as I canB recall, DECnet Phase IV routing on Alpha was only to the extent ofC cluster alias stuff and not for real routing. So, obviously it sortnB of works but is not meant for the type usage you are using it now.  + I'll have to check what it says on the SPD.i   _veli6   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:07:38 GMTD8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>* Subject: Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!( Message-ID: <38FC83AD.ECC8A3F9@decus.fi>   Antonio Carlini wrote: > S > In article <Ft02M3.FE4@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote:x > M > >  As someone else pointed out, there isn't any reason Compaq couldn't have * > >made their version work under Phase IV. > ! > True - it's just code right :-)- > N > Getting the RFC859 support into Phase IV would be a tad hard as Phase IV hasL > no OSI Transport. Getting something compatible with Phase/IP (or whatever)O > into DECnet Phase IV would be technically possible (I imagine). The stumbling 6 > block will be finding someone willing to pay for it.    H Well, I suppose somehow it is all done on the Pathworks 32. Pathworks 32 has E "plain old" DECnet Phase IV stuff and then it somehow does the DECnetH over IPaD stuff. And as far as I know, Pathworks 32 does not have OSITP in the sensesD we know and love it on DECnet/OSI aka DECnet/Plus aka DECnet Phase V prodcust   > % > > It can't be that hard (I remembereN > >when DECnot / Phase/IP was born, Ken Adelman from TGV called me up and said; > >"Hey, I've got this really neat hack, wanna try it?" 8-)e > L > All new features are trivial to implement once you've finished writing andK > testing the code. Is the Phase/IP stuff even publically documented? Couldc; > COMPAQ add it to Phase IV without having to pay whomever?  >  > >.L > >  I suspect that the Compaq Phase IV code is only touched to fix criticalL > >bugs, and they don't want to make enhancements to it. Not to mention that3 > >Phase IV improvements would undermine Phase V...a > K > I believe the Phase IV code is in maintenance mode. I'm sure if you offer2M > enough money someone will crack the seals and start working on it. I bet iteO > would be cheaper for you to simply purchase whatever product it is that givest > you Phase/IP.e > M > In defence of the DECnet-over-IP stuff: it is all publically documented (in L > the above RFC) and it works over any IP stack that uses the "standard PWIPO > interface" (I don't know what it is called). It needs OSITP which pretty much- > precludes Phase IV ... > 	 > Antonio- > K > Antonio Carlini                            Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.comd% > DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Engineering-8 > COMPAQ                                     Reading, UK         _veli(   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:57:33 GMTp2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: FS: AlphaBook4 Message-ID: <11bL4.162$pK4.3995@typhoon.aracnet.com>  + Phillip Helbig <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote:(J > Now there's an idea!  I always wanted an ALPHABOOK, although the non-LK C > keyboard was a disadvantage.  Surely it can't be technically too tK > difficult to hook up a DS10L to a laptop-type screen and (perhaps even a cJ > proper) keyboard, and thus come up with a VMS laptop!  Expensive in the I > sense that the DS10L is expensive, but as it is based on the DS10L and  I > is not a custom job, perhaps there is the possibility to get something lC > at a reasonable price.  Of course, a lot more power than the old e > ALPHABOOK as well.  K Well, how about the DS10L running OpenVMS and a IBM Thinkpad running Linux,lH connect the two via ethernet and use the laptop as an X-Terminal.  Is itG still possible to get laptops that can accept external PS/2 keyboards? aH Should make a fairly decent OpenVMS portable, and the new Thinkpads have beautiful screens!  L Hmmm, maybe I should either get a VAXstation 4000VLC, or get OpenVMS runningH on my Mulitia since the above solution is a bit spendy for me.  Would beL easy to toss either with the laptop and cabling in a small backpack or large laptop case.  :^)t   				Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:54:31 -0500r) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>f/ Subject: Re: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflections 7 Message-ID: <0c8601bfa991$72a7e0e0$020a0a0a@xile.realm>e  4 Boyle, Darren <boyledj@bankofbermuda.company> wrote:  A > Can anyone tell me how to map the "DO" key in reflections so itmJ > works under a TPU OpenVMS 7.1 session, also the F17/18/19/20 keys do notJ > appear to send the appropriate escape sequence.  I have been through theL > Keyboard map in reflections and mapped the PC keyboard to the US DEC LK450# > keyboard but it still won't work.g  $ What Reflection product do you have?  I For Reflection 2 version 5.20, you can pop up a keyboard window under the-J "Window" menu, and use your mouse on the keys that you do not have.  Makes> things real easy, even if your site has mapped them strangely.  L Under "Setup" there is an option to display the Keyboard Map, where clickingH keys on it shows that the default mapping of the DO key on a standard PC keyboard is: Shift-F6.  I For Reflection X version 6.0, If you choose the option of customizing theoJ keyboard, it gives you a graphical keyboard map where clicking the keys onI it shows that the default mapping of the DO key on a standard PC keyboarde is: Ctrl-F6.   -John> wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:03:55 GMTh From: icss@my-deja.com Subject: Need RDB-DBA 18 monthsr) Message-ID: <8diijh$gb5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  @ I have a customer who needs a RDB-DBA for a period of 18 months.B A telephony backgroung would be great. Please contact me with your salary requirements and resume.t	 Thank you     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:45:51 -0700  From: David.Wall@healthnet.com# Subject: Re: Need RDB-DBA 18 months 8 Message-ID: <882568C5.007D0DDE.00@WHDOM99.HEALTHNET.COM>  N I am a Senior RDB DBA Consultant with 12 Yrs RDB Experience.  Please send someO details about the RDB-DBA position that you have available. ( Location, Contact L Info: Name, Phone )   Are you the Client or a Contracting firm?  Once I haveN some more details, I will be glad  to sen you my resume & Salary Requirements.        Thank You Very Much,-        Dave Wall      (805) 529-7356d      d.wall@att.net-   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:25:33 -0500+ From: rjordan@Mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan),% Subject: Re: New VMS books coming out=( Message-ID: <8dicrd$3183$1@Mars.mcs.net>   Hoff,cJ      Amazon listed a book called something like "OpenVMS and the Internet"H but my order for it was recently canceled (publisher cancel).  I have toG admit I ordered based on the title alone without any clue on how usefuloF or detailed it would have been.  Is there anyone there who can commentA on this apparently stillborn book and what it would have covered?u   Rich Jordan  rjordan@mcs.net.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 20:10:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: New VMS books coming oute6 Message-ID: <8diffl$nd1$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <8dicrd$3183$1@Mars.mcs.net>, rjordan@Mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) writes: :Hoff,K :     Amazon listed a book called something like "OpenVMS and the Internet"o@ :but my order for it was recently canceled (publisher cancel)...  I   No idea; I've not heard of that particular book.  (In my copious spare 1J   time, I'm working on another book for Digital Press -- when next I have H   reason to chat with my DP contacts, I can ask them about this topic...J   Based on earlier discussions, I am assuming the publisher was to be DP.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:51:52 -0500+ From: rjordan@Mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)b% Subject: Re: New VMS books coming outs' Message-ID: <8diht8$407$1@Mars.mcs.net>b  K >: Amazon listed a book called something like "OpenVMS and the Internet"...  > 5 > No idea; I've not heard of that particular book....FK > when next I have reason to chat with my DP contacts, I can ask them aboutM > this topic...    Hoff, D      thanks.  It was supposed to be a DP book by Terence P. SherlockD expected to be released 12/99.  It obviously never made it.  I wroteC to BH expressing my dismay, and was hoping to gather information oneD whether the book was going to be useful enough to be worth continuedC pestering of the publisher about it (and perhaps convinving others vC here to do the same).  I appreciate your time, and look forward to   your next book.    Rich Jordan- rjordan@mcs.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:58:11 -0400f0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: NT Breaks Again/ Message-ID: <38FCB041.9C1546B2@vl.videotron.ca>s  F > > Not a problem - attach some really big rocket engines to the earthC > > (preferably at the equator, to stay as far away from Redmond as.6 > > reasonable) and reverse the rotation of the earth.    J Ah ! Yes, the perfect solution. You do realise what will happen to all th= etJ water in the pacific ocean as you stop the earth spinning and then get it=  toa pin in the other direction ?  J Bill Gates better take a deep diving scuba course and ensure his castle i= s J airtight (it probably is, and probably has automatic sliding doors =E0 la=  Starr6 Trek too) before he applies the rocket engine patch...   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 18:42:48 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: NT Breaks Again. Message-ID: <8diab8$aq4$1@info.service.rug.nl>  < In article <38FC5B28.68AD7A07@trailing-edge.com>, Tim Shoppa# <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes: n  D > Not a problem - attach some really big rocket engines to the earthA > (preferably at the equator, to stay as far away from Redmond as 4 > reasonable) and reverse the rotation of the earth.  A A good description of how some REAL code bugs are probably REALLYo solved: overkill.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:19:19 +0200=$ From: "T de Wet" <thys@it.sun.ac.za>/ Subject: OpenVMS mail question: Attached files?./ Message-ID: <8det0t$4ft$1@news.adamastor.ac.za>    Hi all, J We have the need to be able to send attached files from our OpenVMS mailerG to mail recipients.  We are looking at sending HTMP files from within a=# purchase order system thru OpenVMS.y  * How do we do it, or isn't  this available?  J Alternately: Any other mailers availbale for OpenVMS that would be able to send attached files?   Thanx@B Thys de Wet, University of Stellenbosch, Stellenbosch South Africa Email: thys@it.sun.ac.za   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:12:50 -0400s0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS mail question: Attached files? / Message-ID: <38FD1602.304CE748@vl.videotron.ca>E   T de Wet wrote: L > Alternately: Any other mailers availbale for OpenVMS that would be able to > send attached files?  F ALL-IN-1 (aka: Office Server) supports MIME attachement, and allows anN application to build and send emails (as well as process incoming message). ItL also has powerful perl-like scripting with good interface to VMS, as well as( ability to generate emails/form letters.  4 Newer versions of ALLin1 have built-in HTML support.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:57:37 GMTr- From: Dave Pickles <davep@nugate.demon.co.uk>:- Subject: Re: Percent of time spent training ? * Message-ID: <8di5oc$1h6$1@cyw.uklinux.net>   JF Mezei wrote:lL > Even though I have been playing with VMS for a long time, I find I have toO > constantly spend time to tune up my skills both VMS and in the rest of the ITe5 > industry (web, wap, xml, perl, oracle etc etc etc).L >  > M > Is there some sort of industry number to determine how much time one should 4 > spend honing one's skills versus just using them ? > O > I feel I have to constantly try to keep up and catch up, and I wonder if I ameF > alone or if everyone is also in what seems to be an impossible race.  E The British Computer Society recommends that its members undertake ansD average of 20 'units' of professional development per year. TrainingA involving formal examination counts 1 unit per hour, lectures and E structured self-study count 1/2 unit per hour. However I would add toyF this at least 30 minutes per day of "keeping track"; reading the trade$ magazines, browsing comp.os.vms etc.   Dave Pickles   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:47:33 -0500p* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>2 Subject: Re[2]: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflections- Message-ID: <0033000021062876000002L062*@MHS>A   =0Aa8      It's been years but I think it was control-shift-Y.        WWWebba    H ______________________________ Reply Separator ________________________=	 _________,/ Subject: Re: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflectionse2 Author:  Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Date:    4/18/00 1:52 PM     Hi,n  D      Can anyone tell me how to map the "DO" key in reflections so itH works under a TPU OpenVMS 7.1 session, also the F17/18/19/20 keys do no= tdH appear to send the appropriate escape sequence.  I have been through th= e1H Keyboard map in reflections and mapped the PC keyboard to the US DEC LK= 450 ! keyboard but it still won't work.c TIA  - DarrenH -----------------------------------------------------------------------= -----nB ------------------------------------------------------------------; Darren James Boyle,              Telephone : (441) 299-6425t Lead Analyst Programmer,: ISD VMS Technical Services,  Fax          : (441) 299-6502 Bank of Bermuda H Par-la-Ville Branch,                EMail      : BoyleDJ@BankofBermuda.= comu Hamilton Bermuda.IH -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- B ------------------------------------------------------------------  < I always just use F16=3DDO by <Shift-F6> on my PC keyboard.=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:00:52 -030011 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>e6 Subject: RE: Re[2]: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in ReflectionsK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A6D57D5@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>   J Yep that brings up the Command prompt in TPU but it doesn't map the DO key which is what I need thanks,  Darren   > ----------1 > From: 	WILLIAM WEBB[SMTP:WWEBB1@email.usps.gov]d( > Sent: 	Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:47 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 > Subject: 	Re[2]: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in Reflectionsi >  >  > : >      It's been years but I think it was control-shift-Y. > 
 >      WWWebb. >  > 0 > ______________________________ Reply Separator# > _________________________________r1 > Subject: Re: LK46W-A2 & "DO" key in ReflectionsP4 > Author:  Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Date:    4/18/00 1:52 PM >  >  > Hi,  > F >      Can anyone tell me how to map the "DO" key in reflections so itJ > works under a TPU OpenVMS 7.1 session, also the F17/18/19/20 keys do notJ > appear to send the appropriate escape sequence.  I have been through theL > Keyboard map in reflections and mapped the PC keyboard to the US DEC LK450# > keyboard but it still won't work.V > TIA 
 > - DarrenL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --D > ------------------------------------------------------------------= > Darren James Boyle,              Telephone : (441) 299-6425  > Lead Analyst Programmer,< > ISD VMS Technical Services,  Fax          : (441) 299-6502 > Bank of BermudatL > Par-la-Ville Branch,                EMail      : BoyleDJ@BankofBermuda.com > Hamilton Bermuda.sL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --D > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ; > I always just use F16=DO by <Shift-F6> on my PC keyboard.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:54:05 +0100E1 From: "Graham HAZLEGREAVES" <qg38@dial.pipex.com>n* Subject: Re: Scheduler & PSDC alternatives) Message-ID: <8dii52$o42$1@lure.pipex.net>t  L First off, I'd like to say a big thank you to all of you who posted replies.L You saved me a lot of effort trawling the net and phoning companies.  We now% have a big file for future reference.i   Why do I say future reference?  E Well, I found out today that at some time in the past somebody mady aFK brilliant decision when the 3 products in question were orginally purchasedF0 and licensed.  They took out perpetual licenses!  J When the products switched over to CA they then had a choice for support -K CA or Digital.  Once again somebody's brain was in gear and they decided toi go with Digital.  J So it now looks like all our efforts were a little wasted as we won't have to change anything after all.t  G I'm a teeny weeny bit disappointed as, in a perverse sort of way, I washH looking forward to testing and implementing 3 new products.  But hey, if4 we've got one over CA then it can't be all that bad!  % Once again, thanks for all your help!h   Cheers.    Graham.k   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:30:49 +0000 (   )H3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> 1 Subject: Re: Seagate ST41600 in MicroVAX 3100/90?eJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10004182121270.26385-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  $ On 18 Apr 2000, Brian Wheeler wrote:  Q > I recently received an ST41600 and my VAX doesn't seem to want to use it.  I'vevQ > tried installing VMS 7.2 on it, but standalone backup says its offline.  When IlP > try to use the console to format the disk, I get a failure after a while.  TheL > LED in the front left is blinking constantly...is it bad, or am I missing  > something obvious?  E It's my experience that the 3100's don't like ID strings from seagatehI drives, and generate POST errors from them, but will use them well enough.5 afterwards... I haven't heard of something like this.d  L > It shows up on a show dev and show scsi, and in standalone backup's device > list.   F The above being said, have you checked to make sure you're not gettingE bitten by termination problems?  If I recall properly, since the scsirG chain on those machines are looped, the termination for both ends is onn the mainboard.  F Otherwise, just to be safe, have you (can you?) checked the drive in aH different machine?  Perhaps try to give it a low-level format in another' box, and transport it back to this vax?t   Regards,   Chris   O ===============================================================================:@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer  Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.-% -------------------------------------:I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and:H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 iO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:06:09 -0500L% From: Chris Scheers <asi@airmail.net>v1 Subject: Re: Seagate ST41600 in MicroVAX 3100/90? O Message-ID: <7D26FF1069AFDB16.934A2AFDA45D46AE.C607C0D282C18A3F@lp.airnews.net>    Brian Wheeler wrote: > Q > I recently received an ST41600 and my VAX doesn't seem to want to use it.  I'veaQ > tried installing VMS 7.2 on it, but standalone backup says its offline.  When I P > try to use the console to format the disk, I get a failure after a while.  TheK > LED in the front left is blinking constantly...is it bad, or am I missingo > something obvious? > L > It shows up on a show dev and show scsi, and in standalone backup's device > list.n >  > Brian Wheelera > bdwheele@indiana.edu    # What kind of machine are you using?a  F I use a Seagate ST41200N on a VAXstation 3100 without problems.  (ThisG is the largest disk I could use as a system disk.  A ST41600N would not & be a viable system disk for a VS3100.)  E FYI:  The self test of a VAXstation 3100 will fail a Seagate ST41200NeC (and ST41600N I suspect) with a D4 error.  This is bogus and can beq3 ignored.  VMS will use this drive without problems.i  H The same drive on a VAXstation 4000 series machine will NOT generate the error.  
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------l$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  G 817-237-3360 (Voice)    817-237-3074 (Fax)    Internet: asi@airmail.neta   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:47:32 CST; From: wayne@tachyon.xxx.392676.killspam.0914 (Wayne Sewell)0 Subject: Re: Security question. Message-ID: <QMs17PvADtQ5@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  r In article <955990732.7807.0.nnrp-14.9e98fc27@news.demon.co.uk>, "Peter Jones" <news@pkjones0.demon.co.uk> writes:L > We have a requirement at work to allow a number of users to ftp files onto+ > an Alpha with the following restrictions:s< > - They need to be able to ftp files to a single directory.7 > - They must not have access to any other directories.a$ > - Each user has his own directory.H > - In addition, another completely independent process must have "rwed"+ > privileges on all these user directories.a > L > I have been told that this is not possible under VMS, the last point being > the problem. Is this true?    F I don't see any difficulties here.  The behavior of ftp depends on theI particular ftp server, but I know that at least some ftp servers (that ofDK madgoat ftp, mgftp, for instance) can restrict uploads and/or downloads to o particular directories.o  L Everything else you mention above can be accomplished using the standard vmsE security model.  It is straightforward to restrict users to their ownaN directories.  As far as the independent process is concerned, ACLs can be used< to allow this process to access all of the user directories.   Waynet   -- uO ===============================================================================LK Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachyon.xxxl8 http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)eO =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:47:13 -0400-- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>m. Subject: Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert!0 Message-ID: <38FC9FA1.28564492@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Jonathan Boswell wrote:   Q > has a nice picture of the US Air Force Blue Angels with a bulls eye surroundingu > the lead plane...   N I can't believe I wrote that!  The Blue Angels are also known as The U.S. Navy@ Flight Demonstration Squadron.  My apologies for the above gaff.    - JBI   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:42:22 GMTn" From: Art Rice <arice@ue.itug.org>. Subject: Re: Shock, horror! An OpenVMS advert!8 Message-ID: <e1ipfs0v5t1ga81t4e5sv45a9ts5aht7vu@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:47:13 -0400, Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote:s   >Jonathan Boswell wrote: >.R >> has a nice picture of the US Air Force Blue Angels with a bulls eye surrounding >> the lead plane... : >HO >I can't believe I wrote that!  The Blue Angels are also known as The U.S. NavyoA >Flight Demonstration Squadron.  My apologies for the above gaff.  >  > - JB  E That's OK.  The US Navy Thunderbirds are probably having a good laugh  over it.     -- h
 Art Rice   *#i# Special Data Processing Corporations& --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do r% not reflect the views of my employer.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:23:31 +1200-6 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz># Subject: Re: SWXCR Controller Cardsz0 Message-ID: <DL8L4.8060$5D.18081@ozemail.com.au>  1 Well, that was what CMQ recommended upgrading to.s  
 Cheers Antonyd      5 "Terry Kennedy" <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote in messagei! news:Ft7ssE.Lrr@spcuna.spc.edu...o8 > Antony Wardle <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> writes:< > > We have an RA200 swxcr card and it is in an alpha 1000a.J > > We can't upgrade the firmware past 2.42, ans we get weird disk errrorsG > > on 2.49. ie when vms starts, it says that there are 8 optimal disksbC > > and 65000 faulty disks. I may try this again as I have replacedt, > > the external storage boxes with another. >iG >   Are you sure that 2.49 is supported on that card? At least with thewE > RA230 card, the release notes come with a table of what firmware isb > supported on each card.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:25:31 +1200o6 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz># Subject: Re: SWXCR Controller Cards-0 Message-ID: <yN8L4.8063$5D.18108@ozemail.com.au>   Try:   analyse/system SDA$ clue conf  5 shows you the pal code, the bios, whats in each slot.4* You may be able to figure it out that way.   Antony      = "Shawn Malone" <sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org> wrote in messaget+ news:38fc4c96.320248152@news.starnet.net...a > H > You are correct, we are using the internal type.  Unfortunatley, sinceD > the card is currently in a Production System, I can not get to theE > part number and the paper work for this system was lost a long time % > ago when the system was moved here.i >GG > I just wanted to see if I could use the same card that resides in the E > 400 system because we are thinking of transfering the production tol > the faster, beefier 1000.h >p > Again thanks >g > Shawn. >  >-E > On 17 Apr 2000 14:20:30 -0700, dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)e > wrote: >g4 > >In article <38fb752b.265100624@news.starnet.net>,9 > >    sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn Malone) writes:< > >>2 > >> I wanted to see if anyone can give me a hand. > >>J > >> I have an Alphaserver 400 4/166 with 2 Internal Drives and 2 ExternalI > >> SWXCR Controllers running off an internal 3-Channel SWXCR ControllerR
 > >> Card. > >>J > >> I would like to move the Card and SWXCR Controllers to an AlphaServerK > >> 1000A 5/400.  Does anyone know if the Card in the 400 will work in the- > >> 1000A.- > >>C > >    Can you be a bit more specific about exactly what you've got.* > >(part numbers, etc ). What O/S version? > >fE > >   There are two kinds of SWXCR controllers that I'm aware of. Thee> > >"internal" kind ( which I think you are referring to as the? > >3-Channel SWXCR controller card ) are relabeled Mylex DAC960eE > >raid controllers. These contain up to 3 SCSI busses and build raidiD > >arrays from the devices on those buses. There are also "external"C > >SWXCR raid controllers ( such as the Raid array 310 ). These are C > >stand-alone units where the disks and raid controller are in themA > >same box - they connect to a host via a fast,wide,differentialu@ > >SCSI bus. To use these you need a FWD SCSI controller in yourG > >host system ( such as a KZPSA ). Raid sets on an external controllersD > >look just like normal SCSI disks to the host ( ie they show up as > >DKxnnn: devices ).i > >aL > >  There shouldn't be a problem using either of these types of controllersH > >with an Alphaserver 1000A, though there might be some restrictions asD > >to which backplane slot you can install the controller card into. > >h > >> Thanks Alll > >> > >> Shawn Malonen >f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:24:22 -0700e$ From: "L McCann" <lmccann@ddpwa.com> Subject: Verify of Backups( Message-ID: <xg5L4.1371$JJ6.1830@client>  F We are running VMS Backup on Alpha servers and tz88 tape drives (hsz50G controller) and we do not use the /verify option on the backup command.e  I I'd like to get a feel for what other VMS shops do for their backups.  Do I you verify them or not?  I have found them to be reliable whenever I do aM? restore but I know that it only takes 1 time to make you sorry.a  ( Your input would be greatly appreciated.   lmccann@ddpwa.come Loretta McCann Washington Dental Service  Seattle, WAo   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:51:08 GMTr- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>e Subject: Re: Verify of Backups; Message-ID: <wF5L4.33906$h01.274233@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>t  9 I would suggest doing the /VERIFY.  We run the following:  Sat - Thu: Incremental Backups Fri:  Full Backup   K In the past we didn't use /VERIFY. and on 2 of my MicroVAX 3190's the tapestK never were written too.  The actual root cause was the local facility never J changed tapes (same tape for over a year)  Anyway, I needed to pull a fileH from backups and found there was nothing.  After that I did a /VERIFY on everything.,  " At a minimum run it on your fulls.  H Oh, forgot to ask, how critical is your data?  Ours is a VERY important.K The worst we can lose is the current days worth of data which is covered by  journal files.   Dave    / "L McCann" <lmccann@ddpwa.com> wrote in message_" news:xg5L4.1371$JJ6.1830@client...H > We are running VMS Backup on Alpha servers and tz88 tape drives (hsz50I > controller) and we do not use the /verify option on the backup command.  >1K > I'd like to get a feel for what other VMS shops do for their backups.  DorK > you verify them or not?  I have found them to be reliable whenever I do a0A > restore but I know that it only takes 1 time to make you sorry.I >v* > Your input would be greatly appreciated. >i > lmccann@ddpwa.com  > Loretta McCann > Washington Dental Servicei
 > Seattle, WAo >c >I   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 23:36:55 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: Verify of Backups. Message-ID: <8dirin$g3h$2@info.service.rug.nl>  G In article <xg5L4.1371$JJ6.1830@client>, "L McCann" <lmccann@ddpwa.com>a writes:   H > We are running VMS Backup on Alpha servers and tz88 tape drives (hsz50I > controller) and we do not use the /verify option on the backup command.  > K > I'd like to get a feel for what other VMS shops do for their backups.  Do K > you verify them or not?  I have found them to be reliable whenever I do asA > restore but I know that it only takes 1 time to make you sorry.- > * > Your input would be greatly appreciated.  D I run the stuff in batch.  The batch job does a search for "-E-" andD "-W-" in the batch log file and sends the results to me in an email G which I scan each morning.  Note that /VERIFY doesn't actually correct gI any problems, it just lets you know that they exist.  Also, keep in mind  E that with /RECORD, if there is a problem with a file being locked by E4 another user, then the backup date won't be written.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Apr 2000 23:41:57 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: Verify of Backups. Message-ID: <8dirs5$g3h$3@info.service.rug.nl>  A In article <wF5L4.33906$h01.274233@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, "Dave_* Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> writes:   ; > I would suggest doing the /VERIFY.  We run the following:a  > Sat - Thu: Incremental Backups > Fri:  Full Backup   F Something which I do which doesn't seem to be that common is to do an G /IMAGE/RECORD about once a month (depending on how much has changed on kH the disk) and a /NOIMAGE/NORECORD/SINCE=BACKUP daily.  That way, if the I disk crashes, I can restore from just two tapes, not from a whole series hG as in "regular" incrementals.  Of course, with an /IMAGE daily, I just  H need one, but that is overkill for the time to do it.  Also, a lot more E has to be scanned to recover accidentally deleted files.  I keep the -G daily tapes for a week, except Sunday's, which I keep for a month, and  H all the /IMAGEs.  For me, this maximises the ability to recover quickly D after a crash and to retrieve lost files and minimises the time and  storage.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:09:22 -0400-, From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate) Subject: Re: Verify of BackupsD Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480001804002209220001@news.patriot.net>  K In article <wF5L4.33906$h01.274233@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, "Dave Pampreen"- <davepampreen@home.com> wrote:  ; > I would suggest doing the /VERIFY.  We run the following:c  > Sat - Thu: Incremental Backups > Fri:  Full Backupg >  [snip]J I second this regimen, including /VERIFY. Back when I was managing a smallJ cluster, we kept 5 rotating sets of tapes for incrementals (Mon-Fri) and aK 25-member set for the full backups that were done in the wee small hours of H Saturday (no Sunday activity of note worth protecting). This gave us theE 2-step restore while protecting most most data for a period of over 6u5 months, which was adequate for our purposes. YMMV....o   -- p
 Ramon L. Tatee	 Casa Maat= taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:06:21 -0400d2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Verify of Backups7 Message-ID: <200004190006_MC2-A1BC-F607@compuserve.com>   G         A verify pass is the closest thing to a guarantee that you haveo: made a readable tape.  If time allows, always use /VERIFY.  " Message text written by "L McCann"G >We are running VMS Backup on Alpha servers and tz88 tape drives (hsz50hG controller) and we do not use the /verify option on the backup command.   J I'd like to get a feel for what other VMS shops do for their backups.  Do=  J you verify them or not?  I have found them to be reliable whenever I do a=  ? restore but I know that it only takes 1 time to make you sorry.0  ) Your input would be greatly appreciated.<i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:09:16 -0400n' From: Paul <pmosteika@evms.zko.dec.com>c+ Subject: Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???t0 Message-ID: <38FC6C8B.5B5F038C@evms.zko.dec.com>  F Thank you Patrick for bringing this problem to our attention. It seemsF that MIME should be quoting the boundary string when a character otherI than DIGIT or ALPHA is utilized for a unique boundary parameter, such as o   	"/" h 	"."  D I will log this in a problem report (PTR). I will also look into the& file error visible with $ analyze/rms      			Pauls   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:45:47 GMT  From: d.webb@mdx.ac.uk+ Subject: Re: VMS and MIME: Next episode ???o) Message-ID: <8diagm$6um$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  / In article <38FC956F.1D0F7878@vl.videotron.ca>,m3   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:w > Philippe Marmillod wrote:u@ > > 2) to furnish a MAIL utility capable to display  ISO charset	 (non-US!)t >lE > Never had problems displaying ISO-LATIN characters in MAIL. Perhaps  you are ) > refering to the mime encoding/decoding.= >=G > The big problem with this is a question of responsability. Should theo SMTPA > gateway convert everything to VMSmail format and feed it to them regular MAILC > (and thus maintain VMS MAIL compatibility), or should VMS Mail be-
 updated toD > convert accented characters to their =xx encoding (as well as Mime support etceC > etc), but thus breaking the VMS MAIL compatibility since it woulds requireg# > added fields etc in the messages.s >aC > Systens that do just RFC822/SMTP messaging have it easy. They can- encodeF > everything "internet style" and never worry. But systesm such as VMS which67 > have had their own mail protocol , it is not so easy.c >RG > Ideally, VMSmail would be updated to support binary attachements with3 a fieldDG > indicating their mime type. And the SMTP *gateway* would then converte it torH > RFC822/etc format to/from the internet. But that would require a major update> > to VMS mail structure to allow attachements. (hence breaking compatibility).u >t    D The problems with adding in Mime support and attachments to VMS mail have all already been solved.oC PMDF from Innosoft has included an extended version of VMS Mail fortD years (PMDF MAIL). The standard VMS MAIL message store (MAIL.MAI) isD used. Hence you can use VMS MAIL, PMDF MAIL , PINE etc to access the same store of messages.iF Since Innosoft have now been purchased by SUN gaining direct access toD the source code for this is now likely to be difficult. However just reading   B http://eljefe.innosoft.com:7633/doc/user_vms/book_6.html#chapter_7   shows what is possible.S  H Note. This was done without having the ability to change the VMS message store.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:44:29 +0930-A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>-# Subject: Re: Web server for VAX/VMS)0 Message-ID: <iE8L4.8054$5D.18109@ozemail.com.au>  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messagen# news:38FC502B.41C60AA5@gtech.com...a > Geoff Roberts wrote:? > > I'm running WASD on a Vax 6440 under VMS 6.0 at the moment.lF > > It works very well, and the price is right.  ie Free, and it has a lot  > > ofF > > features that don't exist in OSU.   (Comes with Yahmail, Web basedH > > access to VMS mail using SSL for instance, AND a HTTP Proxy server.) >i? > You can use YAHMAIL and SSL with OSU as well (not in the baset& > distribution, but they fit in fine).  C Sure, no reason why not that I know of, if you have an existing OSUd system.o   Cheers  
 Geoff Roberts  Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,c South Australia 6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.218 ************************