1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 27 Apr 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 234       Contents: ANN:  SYMBOL V5.0 betaG Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) G Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) G Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) G Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) G Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) G Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) ! Compaq still seen as a PC company % Re: Compaq still seen as a PC company 0 Compaq web site: VMS Webinterface page outdated. Re: DCPS and HP8000  Re: DCPS and HP8000  DCPS and new printers  Re: DCPS and new printers ) Re: DECUS Canada (was: OpenVMS marketing) & Re: Fall 1999 VMS/LT Sigtapes released FW: DEC Pascal Rename Problem  Re: HSJ80 experience?  InfoTower 1000 Re: InfoTower 1000 Re: InfoTower 1000 Re: InfoTower 1000 Re: InfoTower 1000> Is it possible to get rid of this annoying boot-up message ???B Re: Is it possible to get rid of this annoying boot-up message ???B Re: Is it possible to get rid of this annoying boot-up message ???B Re: Is it possible to get rid of this annoying boot-up message ???A Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ?  Looking for DFU for VMS 5.5-2  NASDAQ systems' OpenVMS and WNT integration for Dummies  Re: OpenVMS marketing  RA450 subsystem? SCSNODENAME and DECNET nodename  Re: So who will buy VMS ? " TCPIP V5.0A configuration problems Re: Timeout Issues Re: Timeout Issues Re: USERNAME Re: USERNAME Re: USERNAME Re: USERNAME Re: USERNAME RE: USERNAME Re: USERNAME Re: Verify of Backups  Re: Verify of Backups  Re: Verify of Backups  Re: Verify of Backups  Re: Verify of Backups 6 Re: VMS Fibre channel connectivity with 3rd party disk9 Re: Why does Pathworks(Mac) change mod date of .dir file?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:28:16 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: ANN:  SYMBOL V5.0 beta 0 Message-ID: <009E932D.456C97FB@SendSpamHere.ORG>   SYMBOL V5.0 beta    ) Check it out!  Really nifty new features!    http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/    --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:29:25 -0500 - From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> P Subject: Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!)1 Message-ID: <39073585.BCFB8F5E@email.sps.mot.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:>  c > In article <3907071B.7B3E306B@email.sps.mot.com>, Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> writes:  > 5 > : ...I find it very interesting that of the 4 V.P.s A > :listed, 3 are heading _server_ divisions with names containing G > :"Enterprise", "High Performance", "Business Critical", and the other F > :division is just OpenVMS. This seems to imply that OpenVMS is _not_< > :"Enterprise", "High Performance", or "Business Critical". > F >   No such implication was intended -- you have inferred incorrectly. > B >   The list is the senior management chain for OpenVMS, and is in7 >   descending order of office starting with the CEO...  > B >   When I add this list to the next FAQ, I will endeavour to make: >   the particular nature of the list rather more clear... > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  A Thanks for the clarification. I think referring to this list as a : "management chain" is key for understanding the hierarchy.   Bruce Vinson   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:55:46 GMT , From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow)P Subject: Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!)' Message-ID: <2000Apr26.145546.1@eisner>   \ In article <2000Apr26.114523.1@eisner>, kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) writes:+ > No, he said it is a management chain, so:  >  > 	VMS is a part of the @ > 	High Performance Server Business Unit, which is a part of the8 > 	Business Critical Server Division, which is a part of8 > 	Enterprise Solutions and Services, which is a part of
 > 	Compaq. > I > The fact that they are all vice-presidents might be somewhat confusing, G > but no more so than at some large banks where VMS system managers are I > Vice Presidents (I think it has to do with salaries or not getting paid  > overtime).  L When I started working for the company formerly known as DEC, they had 9 VPsK worldwide. When I was TFSOed in late 1991, that number was WELL over 100. I * wonder how many there are today at Compaq?  J Being a VP of a bank means you have signature authority; you can commit toJ things on behalf of the bank like loans, etc. That's why a big bank has soL #!%@ many VPs. I'm not sure why a computer company needs so many, other thanH big shots like big titles. I'm surprized the federal government only has5 one! And quite releved as one is more than enough :-)    	Bob Kaplow  	VP of cubicle 74   E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:02:21 -0700 * From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <kit@nospam.net>P Subject: Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!); Message-ID: <pyHN4.7797$ZE4.137242@ord-read.news.verio.net>   K Hoff Hoffman wrote in message <8e73cv$nmc$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...   A >  The list is the senior management chain for OpenVMS, and is in 6 >  descending order of office starting with the CEO...A >  When I add this list to the next FAQ, I will endeavour to make 9 >  the particular nature of the list rather more clear...   A And could there be a similar chain of OpenVMS marketing folks? ;)    Kit. kit # kits.net   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2000 19:44:44 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)P Subject: Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!)6 Message-ID: <8e7gvc$t8s$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  h In article <pyHN4.7797$ZE4.137242@ord-read.news.verio.net>, "Nikita V. Belenki" <kit@nospam.net> writes:B :And could there be a similar chain of OpenVMS marketing folks? ;)  F   If you wish to comment *on* marketing, use the administrative chain G   that was previously posted, as the VPs (and the CEO, of course) have  D   both engineering and marketing in their area(s) of responsibility.F   If you wish to comment *to* marketing, I believe there is a "mailto"D   at the website.  (OpenVMS-info <-at-> Compaq.Com, among others...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2000 16:21:20 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)P Subject: Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!)3 Message-ID: <QuKi0EJkTcf1@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   7 In article <8e7gvc$t8s$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,  9     	hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  [...] H >   If you wish to comment *to* marketing, I believe there is a "mailto"F >   at the website.  (OpenVMS-info <-at-> Compaq.Com, among others...)  H         That's interesting.  I can't find a  mailto: anywhere on the VMSH     pages!   From the oldindex.html page, going to "About This  Website"H     (bootom of  the  page),  I  found  a  FEEDBACK  link  (and  used  itH     yesterday...no  response  yet  and  the bad link I reported is stillH     bad).  I'm just curious as to _which_ page has a feedback/contact-us?     link that lists a mailto: similar to what you showed above?            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:10:41 -0700 * From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <kit@nospam.net>P Subject: Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!); Message-ID: <zlNN4.7826$ZE4.137930@ord-read.news.verio.net>   E Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515 wrote in message ...   I >>   If you wish to comment *to* marketing, I believe there is a "mailto" G >>   at the website.  (OpenVMS-info <-at-> Compaq.Com, among others...) I >        That's interesting.  I can't find a  mailto: anywhere on the VMS I >    pages!   From the oldindex.html page, going to "About This  Website" I >    (bootom of  the  page),  I  found  a  FEEDBACK  link  (and  used  it I >    yesterday...no  response  yet  and  the bad link I reported is still I >    bad).  I'm just curious as to _which_ page has a feedback/contact-us @ >    link that lists a mailto: similar to what you showed above?  F On Jan, 25 I used a feedback form to report the broken link on the VAXG Systems page. On Feb, 25, I received a reply saying "Thank you for your I comments.  We will escalate your issue to the appropriate web development J team personnel immediately" (tracking number is A00000088397-00000291649).  G Right now I've checked the link. It's still there, and is still broken.    Kit. kit # kits.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:47:03 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>* Subject: Compaq still seen as a PC company/ Message-ID: <3907B82F.8654D7B7@vl.videotron.ca>   G Read a report on the "turning around" at Compaq following its financial  results release.  N Article at: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000426/tc/compaq_analysts_1.html  K Article mentions only Wintel operations and how Compaq's fortunes will turn I around with Windows 2000 sales as businesses upgrade their servers to run N Win2k. No mention of Alpha, Unix or VMS at all in the article. (As a matter of# fact, no mention of Tandem either).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:39:05 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: Compaq still seen as a PC company/ Message-ID: <3907C45C.988E84CB@vl.videotron.ca>   N In reading the Compaq-issued press release on their financials I was struck by0 the use of the term "industry standard servers".  I My problems with this id that it implies that Alpha based servers are not N industry standard and won't be.  I don't see why they feel a need to use those3 vague worlds instead of 80x86 architecture servers.     H Also, what I find missing from those financials are breakdowns for whichI operating system is responsible for what percentage of PROFITS. If VMS is M truly so profitable, then Compaq *should* tout this as loud as it can to show H some life in VMS and help its growth (or help kill the myth it is dead).  M Also, if Compaq were to make public the fact that VMS is profitable, it would @ also help Compaq justify marketing moves to further VMS's sales.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:14:14 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>9 Subject: Compaq web site: VMS Webinterface page outdated. / Message-ID: <3907BE8B.CEE14AFC@vl.videotron.ca>   G The page: http://WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COM/availability/webInterface.html   G has a link to All-IN-1 as part of its list of web-enables applications. G Unfortunatly, the ALL-IN-1 link point to an old document (ALL-IN-1 3.2, ; instead of pointing to version 5 (now named Office Server).   M Version 5 introduced web access not only to your documents (document serving) G but also, and more importantly, to the composing/creation on the web of C emails. (eg: web access to your emails, aka: yahoo style of email).   < Perhaps Compaq's web site could be updated to reflect this ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:31:53 GMT + From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com>  Subject: Re: DCPS and HP8000@ Message-ID: <panderson-C8E36D.15315226042000@news.earthlink.net>  A In article <21EC2A9D83EED311A3EB0008C733892B03264B@S70ERTBIA11>,  @ "DECHAIZE Thierry (Dir INFRA)" <thierry.dechaize@sncf.fr> wrote:  B > And for support of LEXMARK printers (ex : 1250), is DCPS works ?  H The current version of DCPS (V1.7 and V1.7-1) support the Lexmark Optra = S 1620 and 2420.  The 1625 and 1855 are added with DCPS V1.8.    Paul   --  "    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering"    GENICOM Corporation, Gardner MA   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:29:34 GMT + From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com>  Subject: Re: DCPS and HP8000@ Message-ID: <panderson-7B34ED.15293326042000@news.earthlink.net>  ; In article <8e758a$bcd$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,  2 JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) wrote:  H > We are using DCPS 1.5 with various HP printers and the page accounting > is consistently inaccurate.  > : G > Does the newer DCPS version employ a better technique for determining 
 > page usage?   E No.  DCPS uses a PostScript command to determine the number of pages  I printed at the beginning and at the end of the job and subtracts the two   to get pages printed.   G Some printers count pages by the number of pages printed by the engine  D instead of the Adobe PostScript standard, which counts pages by the H number of pages interpreted.  You can see that if a job is not finished A printing by the time the DCPS job is interpreted, the page count  , reported by the printer will not be correct.  H It appears some HP printers (and yes, some Compaq printers also) do not H adhere to the Adobe PostScript standard for reporting page count.  This G may be the problem with your HP printers.  I know the HP 4000 and 5000   have this problem.   Paul   --  "    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering"    GENICOM Corporation, Gardner MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:50:38 +0000  From: root <djesys@fsi.net>  Subject: DCPS and new printers' Message-ID: <3907488E.52B6D65B@fsi.net>   A This message is actually targetted at Genicom (Paul Anderson?)...   H Just wondering if some appropriate updates to DCPS can be made availableF for download via the WWW, or if actual coding changes are needed above4 and beyond changes to .TLB modules and module names.   David J. Dachtera  [No sig. on this client yet.]    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:16:42 GMT + From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com> " Subject: Re: DCPS and new printers@ Message-ID: <panderson-0EC3EA.16164226042000@news.earthlink.net>  E In article <3907488E.52B6D65B@fsi.net>, djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson   wrote:  J > Just wondering if some appropriate updates to DCPS can be made availableH > for download via the WWW, or if actual coding changes are needed above6 > and beyond changes to .TLB modules and module names.  E At the moment, adding a new printer to DCPS requires coding changes,  - which wind up in the main image DCPS$SMB.EXE.   C Your is a good idea, though, and one we have considered for future   development.   Paul   --  "    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering"    GENICOM Corporation, Gardner MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:45:24 +0000  From: root <djesys@fsi.net> 2 Subject: Re: DECUS Canada (was: OpenVMS marketing)' Message-ID: <39074754.D2807C2D@fsi.net>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote: [snip] > D >     Personally, I prefer the option of letting DECUS/CACUG die andJ > convincing the US Chapter ( which is still alive and at least moderatelyF > healthy ) to accept members from Canada. I will make this request to3 > the US board, though I suspect it will be futile.   3 Perhaps DECUS-US should become DECUS-North America.   C Perhaps the DECUS-xx chapters in the European Union should unite to ' become DECUS-EU at an appropriate time.    Just some suggestions...   David J. Dachtera B [No sig. on this client yet: MacMillan Mandrake Linux, KDE V1.1.2, Netscape V4.7]   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:33:10 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>/ Subject: Re: Fall 1999 VMS/LT Sigtapes released 4 Message-ID: <aqPN4.125$NX3.2387@typhoon.aracnet.com>  + Glenn C. Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> wrote: : > The initial copies of the Fall 1999 VMS/LT sigtapes have9 > been mailed to the tree head and other net distribution 4 > points. Dar Schumann as usual is tree coordinator.  ' Is this accessable on the net anywhere?u   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:50:32 -0400 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>o& Subject: FW: DEC Pascal Rename Problem: Message-ID: <NDBBIALAEJFAOCBKNCCJCEKNCDAA.dallen@nist.gov>  L   The status is "%RMS-F-RMV, ACP remove function failed". Since a copy works put K   a rename (implicit DELETE) fails I'd suspect the process doing the rename  does-   not have DELETE privs on the original file.0     Dano   -----Original Message-----: From: Christoph Gartmann [mailto:gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de]( Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:58 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi& Subject: Re: DEC Pascal Rename Problem    F In article <8e6vkm$4ib$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, pavichal@meto.gov.uk writes: >Hello,t > D >I was wondering if anyone out there could help me with a DEC Pascal >problem that I am having. >kB >I have a bit of code which renames a file from a directory calledG >INBOUND into a directory called TEMP. This however, only seems to worknF >when a file is COPIED into the INBOUND directory using DCL COPY. If aI >file is renamed into INBOUND using DCL RENAME, then the Pascal code getsAC >itself into a mess and fails to do the PASCAL RENAME into the TEMPA >directory.y > $ >The Pascal RENAME command used is : >i6 >RENAME_FILE(CurrentFilename, NewFilename, Statusval); >pI >But this fails when a file is DCL RENAMED into the INBOUND directory andtI >so returns a status value of 114940 which I dont seem to be able to find- >in any books.  D The value 114940 indicates "%RMS-F-RMV, ACP remove function failed".G I would assume your problem is not related to Pascal but to VMS itself.SG Please note that a file that you rename into the INBOUND directory willBK still belong to its original owner, will still have the original protectione andoL all that. On the other hand, a file that is copied into INBOUND will receiveH the protection of the INBOUND directory, will belong to the owner of theK INBOUND directory and all such things. Thus, I would suggest that you checkp; file protections, file ownership, disk-quotas and the like.m   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannr  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:15:05 GMTp/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>. Subject: Re: HSJ80 experience?G Message-ID: <dELN4.36414$WF.1761469@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>i   Keith,  G I would like to find out that I am wrong and you are right, and I wouldi certainly believe K anything Ken Bates has to say on the subject, but I did not see anything ina
 that exchange H that addressed my point (which I got by word of mouth from a sales rep). It was kindiG of hard to tell who was saying what, and what was left out.  I also hadi trouble followingdE the logic about allowing more hosts. Since multiple host adapters aret required, it seemsC to me like you are reducing the total number of hosts possible, notn increasing it.  0 I will be lookingfor some documentation on this.  J <kparris@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8dfjnp$612$1@nnrp1.deja.com...2 > "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:H > > I like the idea of the HSJ80 having two CI ports, but you still haveG > > to assign individual disks/arrays to a particular CI on the HSJ.  IoF > > was hoping that it could somehow miraculously use both CIs to pumpB > > twice the IO to a single disk array, but that is not the case. >sE > This isn't what I'm told.  Here's a recent exchange with Ken Bates:iG > ---------------------------------------------------------------------yG > From: IN%"Ken.Bates@COMPAQ.com"  "Bates, Ken" 10-MAR-2000 14:00:47.88t4 > To: IN%"PARRIS@Eisner.DECUS.Org"  "'Keith Parris'" > Subj: RE: HSJ80 question >  > Hi Keith,h >lH > You're correct, you can set the unit to be visible as you desire. YourH > choices are none, read, or full (read/write). This can be set per unitG > and per port. If you have access from 2 ports you have to be careful, C > since without some form of lock management and or cache coherency H > software, you can end up with data consistency problems. No issue with > the HSJ; this is an OS issue.! >m >  - Ken >n > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Keith Parris [mailto:PARRIS@Eisner.DECUS.Org]I$ > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:43 > To: Bates, Ken > Subject: HSJ80 question  >nE > Just a quick question on the HSJ80.  If desired, you can get accesshE > to the same set of units from both CI ports, right?  (as opposed to-@ > access to different sub-sets of units to support two different > clusters on the same HSJ80s).  >jA > We've been constrained in terms of VMS node count because we'vetD > wanted to avoid VMS MSCP-serving of storage, and it occurred to meC > today that the HSJ80 might basically allow us to connect twice asaC > many VMS nodes to the same storage without any need for VMS MSCP- B > serving.  We can then use other star couplers to connect the two? > sub-sets of VMS nodes for connection manager and lock manager E > traffic.  This also allows us to subdivide the I/O traffic into twol< > sets of star couplers, for potentially greater throughput.C > -----------------------------------------------------------------r >0C > > At any rate, you need multiple CI adapters on your host to takeu$ > > advantage of that major feature. >a > Or multiple hosts. >nI > -----------------------------------------------------------------------tI > Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospamkH > VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals >i >f( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:31:37 +0100,; From: "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk>  Subject: InfoTower 1000./ Message-ID: <8e7jjt$os0$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>e  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFAFC6.CDC09900  Content-Type: text/plain;- 	charset="iso-8859-1"-+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   D We have an InfoTower 1000 but I do not seem to be able to find any =I manuals for it. One of the LEDs is flashing and I don't know if this is =C normal..  + Are there any such manuals online anywhere?6  + ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFAFC6.CDC09900s Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"-+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   0 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>  0 <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type>8 <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD>b <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>We have an InfoTower 1000 but I do = not seem to=20G be able to find any manuals for it. One of the LEDs is flashing and I =u
 don't know=20" if this is normal.</FONT></DIV> 7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>.H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Are there any such manuals online=20$ anywhere?</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFAFC6.CDC09900--    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:58:30 GMTr= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: InfoTower 100040 Message-ID: <009E9329.1CBC8543@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <8e7jjt$os0$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes:-- >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.n >d, >------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFAFC6.CDC09900 >Content-Type: text/plain; >	charset="iso-8859-1", >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >cE >We have an InfoTower 1000 but I do not seem to be able to find any =tJ >manuals for it. One of the LEDs is flashing and I don't know if this is = >normal.    0,  (*)     (%)     (#)     (#)     (*)     (#), Power  System  Network Network  SCSI    SCSI/  OK      OK      OK    Activity  OK    Activitys   * contantly on when unit is OK   % will blink when status is OK   # flash when there is activity  , >Are there any such manuals online anywhere?  G Don't know but I might have a spare hardcopy set.  How much is it worth  to you?e   --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2000 21:47:12 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: InfoTower 1000r. Message-ID: <8e7o50$8fs$2@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <009E9329.1CBC8543@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG( (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   . >  (*)     (%)     (#)     (#)     (*)     (#). > Power  System  Network Network  SCSI    SCSI1 >  OK      OK      OK    Activity  OK    Activityd   Shouldn't that be   ,  (*)     (%)     (*)     (#)     (*)     (#), Power  System  Network Network  SCSI    SCSI/  OK      OK      OK    Activity  OK    Activityc    > * contantly on when unit is OK >   > % will blink when status is OK >   > # flash when there is activity   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:05:10 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)/ Subject: Re: InfoTower 1000i0 Message-ID: <009E9332.6D026F08@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <8e7o50$8fs$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:uI >In article <009E9329.1CBC8543@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORGt) >(Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   > / >>  (*)     (%)     (#)     (#)     (*)     (#)p/ >> Power  System  Network Network  SCSI    SCSIp2 >>  OK      OK      OK    Activity  OK    Activity >a >Shouldn't that be g >D- > (*)     (%)     (*)     (#)     (*)     (#)a- >Power  System  Network Network  SCSI    SCSIi0 > OK      OK      OK    Activity  OK    Activity >r! >> * contantly on when unit is OK  >> t! >> % will blink when status is OKa >> e! >> # flash when there is activityn  F No.  The Network OK light does NOT stay lit like the Power and SCSI OKD LEDs.  My unit illuminates both Network LEDs occasionally and moresoH when I actually reference a drive -- which also lights the SCSI activity LED. --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2000 22:14:32 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: InfoTower 1000m. Message-ID: <8e7po8$93j$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <009E9332.6D026F08@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG( (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   ] > In article <8e7o50$8fs$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:eK > >In article <009E9329.1CBC8543@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORGa+ > >(Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   > >i1 > >>  (*)     (%)     (#)     (#)     (*)     (#) 1 > >> Power  System  Network Network  SCSI    SCSI24 > >>  OK      OK      OK    Activity  OK    Activity > >e > >Shouldn't that be d > >w/ > > (*)     (%)     (*)     (#)     (*)     (#)r/ > >Power  System  Network Network  SCSI    SCSIm2 > > OK      OK      OK    Activity  OK    Activity > >o# > >> * contantly on when unit is OKi > >>  # > >> % will blink when status is OKd > >>  # > >> # flash when there is activity- > H > No.  The Network OK light does NOT stay lit like the Power and SCSI OKF > LEDs.  My unit illuminates both Network LEDs occasionally and moresoJ > when I actually reference a drive -- which also lights the SCSI activity > LED.  G I have one in front of me, and the Network OK light is continually lit.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:04:39 +0100 3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> G Subject: Is it possible to get rid of this annoying boot-up message ???r# Message-ID: <8e7sq7$niq$1@gxsn.com>-  E I have recently built a new MicroVAX system from an Image of a systemA. running on a VAXStation with DECWindows Motif.  L The MicroVAX of course doesn't have a graphics card like the VAXStation did,9 and I am getting the following message on system boot-up;3  7 DECW-W-NODEVICE No graphics device found on this systema7 -DECW-I-NODECW DECWindows graphics driver will not loadt    H I have set WINDOW_SYSTEM to 0 but I am still getting the message.  Is it0 possible to get rid of this annoying message ???   Thanks in advance,   Jeff   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:11:37 GMT 2 From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)K Subject: Re: Is it possible to get rid of this annoying boot-up message ???s' Message-ID: <2000Apr26.201137.1@eisner>   Y In article <8e7sq7$niq$1@gxsn.com>, "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> writes:AG > I have recently built a new MicroVAX system from an Image of a systeme0 > running on a VAXStation with DECWindows Motif. > N > The MicroVAX of course doesn't have a graphics card like the VAXStation did,; > and I am getting the following message on system boot-up;r > 9 > DECW-W-NODEVICE No graphics device found on this systemd9 > -DECW-I-NODECW DECWindows graphics driver will not loada >  > J > I have set WINDOW_SYSTEM to 0 but I am still getting the message.  Is it2 > possible to get rid of this annoying message ???  * Check and see if WINDOW_SYSTEM is still 0.- I have seen the DECwindows Startup change it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:26:17 +0100e3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> K Subject: Re: Is it possible to get rid of this annoying boot-up message ???w" Message-ID: <8e81fs$ig$1@gxsn.com>  : It's still set to 0... and I've rebooted it several times.   Jeff? "Larry Kilgallen" <kilgallen@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messagel! news:2000Apr26.201137.1@eisner...c8 > In article <8e7sq7$niq$1@gxsn.com>, "Jefferson Humber"" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> writes:I > > I have recently built a new MicroVAX system from an Image of a systemR2 > > running on a VAXStation with DECWindows Motif. > >6K > > The MicroVAX of course doesn't have a graphics card like the VAXStationj did,= > > and I am getting the following message on system boot-up;o > >e; > > DECW-W-NODEVICE No graphics device found on this systeme; > > -DECW-I-NODECW DECWindows graphics driver will not loado > >a > >tL > > I have set WINDOW_SYSTEM to 0 but I am still getting the message.  Is it4 > > possible to get rid of this annoying message ??? >m, > Check and see if WINDOW_SYSTEM is still 0./ > I have seen the DECwindows Startup change it.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:18:05 -0400r0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>K Subject: Re: Is it possible to get rid of this annoying boot-up message ??? / Message-ID: <3907A35A.5B94E243@vl.videotron.ca>)   Jefferson Humber wrote:0. > > Check and see if WINDOW_SYSTEM is still 0.1 > > I have seen the DECwindows Startup change it.i  M Have you got a $DEFINE DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS TRUE  in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM ? If 6 not, it may still try to start the windowing software.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:50:17 GMTl) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>oJ Subject: Re: Is there a "Porting Unix/C Software to OpenVMS for Dummies" ?< Message-ID: <dEIN4.149207$1C2.3673176@news20.bellglobal.com>  5 Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messagei# news:38FD8D00.6E0F4993@gtech.com...r > "Andrew C. Stoffel" wrote:B > > It doesn't even have to be a book... a couple pages on coaxing? > > DEC C to compile something that supposedly compiles without>G > > complaint on half a dozen other OS's (Unix, Linux, Mac OS, NT, etc)5 > > would be helpful.e > >>@ > > [The particular software that is frustrating me is Squeak, a@ > >  free Smalltalk distribution. I get a LARGE number of errors= > >  similar to the following when trying to compile just one , > >  portion of the entire thing (interp.c): > > ! > >   int errorWrongIndex(void) {- > >   ^-C > >   %CC-W-MISSINGRETURN, Non-void function "errorWrongIndex" doesn% > >   not contain a return statement.: > >PD > > And there are an awful lot of these.... the syntax seems to be aF > > feature that other C compilers ( gcc for example) have no problemsG > > with.... and following the advice of the DEC C help, to add returnstB > > to all of the functions that exhibit this behavior, could takeB > > me (with my limited C ability) weeks/months. Unless there's an > > easier way...] > >m' > > [ oh yeah... DEC C 5.7, VMS 7.2-1 ]r > >,F > > Suggestions are welcome.... (even directions to the relevant pages  > > in the DEC C documentation.) >b+ > The code is wrong and should be modified.e > , > But it is just a warning and you could use$ > /WARNING=DISABLE=(MISSINGRETURN) ! >o > Arne   I agree.G Why declare a function of type INT and then never use "return( )"? If adK return value is not required then the offending function should be modifiedw to be of type VOID.i  
 Neil Rieck* Kitchener(New Berlin?)/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:00:07 GMTe From: walkerp1@my-deja.com& Subject: Looking for DFU for VMS 5.5-2) Message-ID: <8e7sdl$5fe$1@nnrp1.deja.com>S  G Does anyone know where I can find DFU for VAX/VMS 5.5-2h4?  The version 
 might be 2.4.    Paul    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:19:22 -0400f0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: NASDAQ systemst/ Message-ID: <3907B1B2.BE59C42B@vl.videotron.ca>r  J Some news about NASDAQ opening a branch in Montr=E9al attracted me to the= ir> website and found this interesting tidbit about their systems:  = full document at: http://www.nasdaqnews.com/asp/2000April.pdfc  J I am surprised to see Unisys figure so prominently. I wonder if Wildfire = might H cause Nasdaw to consider Wildfire/VMS for their next generation system ?       Nasdaq Operating Statistics 6 =95 World=92s Largest Real-time Network 7,000+ Screens* =95 Simultaneous Price Discovery <180 msec( =95 Peak Daily Share Volume 2.23 Billion+ =95 Average Daily Share Volume 1.76 Billion4# =95 Peak Transaction Rate +2000 TPS # =95 Peak Daily Web Hits 35+ Million J =95 Annual Technology Spend (2000) $300+ =95 World=92s Largest Real-time = Network1 7,000+ Screens* =95 Simultaneous Price Discovery <180 msec( =95 Peak Daily Share Volume 2.23 Billion+ =95 Average Daily Share Volume 1.76 Billion-# =95 Peak Transaction Rate +2000 TPS,# =95 Peak Daily Web Hits 35+ Millionh0 =95 Annual Technology Spend (2000) $300+ Million    , =95 Upgraded to fastest Unisys 6800 platform =96 50% more CPU capacityo. =95 Upgraded to the fastest Tandem environment2 =96 Eliminated execution systems processing delays7 =95 Increased Broadcast messaging infrastructure (BUMS)t/ =96 Eliminated Selectnet Trade reporting delayse+ =95 Upgraded Nasdaq Trading network (EWN-2)t =96 6 times previous capacityr2 =96 Eliminated Network transport delays and queues& =95 Upgraded internal network capacity, =96 Eliminated delayed quotes to SOES system   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:27:45 +0200i$ From: Paul Sture <sture.ch@sture.ch>0 Subject: OpenVMS and WNT integration for Dummies+ Message-ID: <VA.0000001b.0dc21acd@sture.ch>k  < I've only read snippets, but I'm starting to hate this book.  7 Too US American for me, hey Puh-Leeze wait for me, Huh?:  F blah blah - successful company gets too many orders which they cannot B process in order because they "used terminal emulators to fill on = on-screen character-cell forms for their legacy application."o   The next key words are:h  C "But the order takers found that they were not seeing when catalog tB items were out of stock because the application handled the order 3 transactions on a "first come, first served" basis.-   .. after rewriting with COM ...O  ; "Here's the best part: Each order taker get his or her own RD instantiation of the COM object, so each customer request locks the 7 database - that is, reserves each item - in real time."t  4 Sounds like they were rewriting a CICS system to me.  F Sorry, but my team and I implemented a first come, first served order C entry system back in 1977-8. With record locking. (RT-11 & Dibol -  A CTS300, if you must know). We later rejected IBM's CICS proposal oH because after saying to a customer "that item is yours", their solution F was that by the time you hit <enter> (oops sorry, EOB - End Of Block)  it could be somebody else's.  H Oh, and another thing, (and as someone raised to speak and write what I G prefer to call British English), Chapter 10 of said book starts with a I quote from Sir Walter Scott:    "Oh what a tangled web we weave," When first we practise to deceive"  H The following paragraph accuses Sir Walter of "trying to deceive you by F suggesting the word "practice" is spelled with an "s," but then again  that was the late 1700s."   5 Oops. In British English one can practise a practice.r  H I am going to try and review this book more objectively in the next day G or two. These are my first impressions only, but it ain't looking good   to far..   ___n
 Paul Sture Switzerlandl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:47:51 GMTd) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>s Subject: Re: OpenVMS marketing< Message-ID: <rmKN4.149308$1C2.3684643@news20.bellglobal.com>   Folks,  K Earlier in this thread I made mention of a Solaris-8 package available from I Sun for either SPARC or Intel machines. It was free for download or US$75tF for CD-ROM by mail. Since my employer had 5 machines that needed to beK upgraded, I decide to order the CD-ROM package. It arrived at my desk todayIK and I just want to tell you all that Sun is making a real effort to satisfy  THEIR customers.  L First off, I was expecting either one or two CD-ROMS in the package. Not 17.I This package also contains a couple of manuals and lots of trial software2L with 30 day auto-expire licenses (I can only assume the clock starts runningJ as soon as you install them but this is just speculation on my part). SomeL of the trial software comes from 3rd party sources like Oracle but the pointJ I'm trying to make is that they really seem to be interested in keeping me as a customer.  H Compaq can keep distributing OpenVMS hobbyist licenses through DECUS andH there's nothing wrong with that. They may look at this relationship withI DECUS as a way to keep their own costs low but I think they are missing al huge marketing opportunity.t  D { Enough said on this thread; I think we've beat this one to death }  
 Neil Rieck* Kitchener(New Berlin?)/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/H   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:25:48 +0200v% From: Olecra Vreers <sp@m.no.no.no.x>T Subject: RA450 subsystem?E, Message-ID: <39076CEC.6A437821@m.no.no.no.x>   Hi,TC   How would you best upgrade or update a RA450 storage subsystem toe more current hardware?  ? The host is AS4000 5/400 connected, via FWD SCSI, to the RA450.nC Is it possible to upgrade from SW300, HSZ50, Fast10 8-bit SCSI HDDssB to RA-something-else? (Ultra2 ora Ultra?) The application softwareE will expand and convert to use Oracle db, so the HW soon will need be> reinforced.e  A Perhaps there are 18GB 10krpm disks available for the RA450, if a-C whole-system update at once is much too costly? The Fast10 shelves/RC drives is a limiting factor, but maybe not too much considering thes 6-channel controller.5  C I've also noticed that Compaq some time this year will stop support * for the RA450, somewhat forcing a upgrade.   Cheers!r --D %SYSTEM-F-TOOEARLY, please contact your sysadmin at a sensible time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:35:33 -040080 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: SCSNODENAME and DECNET nodename/ Message-ID: <3907B57C.2EFF538F@vl.videotron.ca>r  D In the past, both SCSnodename and DECnet nodenames were limited to 6N characters, which made it very easy/simple to make clusters whose SCSnodenames matched the DECnet nodenames.   K But with DECnet-5 and TCPIP, is there a document/discussion which shows thelI implications of using networking nodenames that are different/longer thany clustering nodenames ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:39:16 GMTi, From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow)" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?' Message-ID: <2000Apr26.143916.1@eisner>   B [My original post on this expired, but I had asked about the price> difference on the same hardware configuration for VMS vs UNIX]  D I got a call yesterday from Karen Leonard (Manager, OpenVMS CustomerE Programs) in response to an email I had sent to Richard Marcello. SheBK answered several questions for me. One of them was the price difference foraK equivalent hardware configurations with OpenVMS vs Tru64Unix. She explainedeJ that this was a concious decision on the part of Compaq to account for the= enhanced functionality of OpenVMS vs other operating systems.   J SHe could not explain why the hardware installation or maintenance uplifts6 were higher for the same hardware running VMS vs UNIX.   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:20:02 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: TCPIP V5.0A configuration problemsI' Message-ID: <39074F3C.F726ADCC@home.nl>2   Hi,n  % I'm running TCPIP V5.0A on VMS 7.2-1.2  C I am trying to change my telnet configuration a bit, but I'm havingI trouble with that.E For test purposes I want to log all telnet access, and I'm trying thee configure it this way:   TCPIP>disable service telnet TCPIP>set service telnet -D /log_options=(file=sys$sysdevice:[tcpip$telnet]tcpip$telnet.log,all) TCPIP>enable service telneta TCPIP>show service telnet /full   G The output shows that all log options are set, except for the log file.S? I tried it several times, restarted TCPIP, but no luck. And therC directory exists of course and has the same attributes as the otheru TCPIP log directories.  B During my attempts I made the mistake of accidentally defining the startup file like this:S   TCPIP>set service telnet2 /file=sys$sysdevice:[tcpip$telnet]tcpip$telnet.log  G Normally this entry says 'not defined', and I would like to reset it to H that situation. But there is no 'set service telnet /nofile' option, andE /file="" will give you "" as file entry, and /file=none will give youa 'NONE' as file entry.-  F Hacking the services.dat file could be an option, but this is VMS, not Windows.  G Somehow it shows that UCX and TCPIP were not developed by VMS engineers$ :-)).s  8 Maybe someone has an idea how to solve these problems ??   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:59:32 -0500 ' From: "Earl D. Lakia" <lakia@ipact.com>u Subject: Re: Timeout Issuesh) Message-ID: <39073C93.9E83DD56@ipact.com>9  : Could you spawn a keep alive sub process in the backgroundI that writes a Bell every five minutes or a Null?  The subprocess would do < a breakthrough write to sys$output with no carriage control.9 You could test this with the following (note, the Bell isc< a special insert using the editor).  However, the problem is8 that a <CR><LF> is also output with the bell as well and8 the output screen will advance one line.  Therefore, you4 might want to create a real program that doesn't add these extra control characters.    $type earl.com $on controlY then goto 100 $bell = "<07>" $100:  $write sys$output bell $ wait 0 00:10:00i	 $goto 100P  8 When user logs in and you determine that he has a telnetE session (I would do  devnam = f$extract(1,3,f$getdvi("tt:","devnam"))i= and make that determination, I get NTA as a device when I use ) TELNET), spawn the following sub-process.l   $spawn/nowait @earl.com-    
 Earl Lakia lakia@ipact.comp   "J.G. Peters" wrote:  D > Our company is planning to implement a VPN (SecuRemote/SecurID viaM > Earthlink) setup for remote logins. In testing, telnet sessions (OnNet Host$D > Suite 5.0 TNVTPlus and MS Telnet) to the AlphaServer 2100 (OpenVMSI > 7.1/Multinet 4.2) are timing out after 15 minutes of inactivity. The 15rM > minute setting is set at the firewall. The "network folks" do not want thisgL > setting changed for security reasons. They have been unable to resolve theE > issue and have now, uh, suggested that the sys admins. come up witheJ > something to keep the telnet sessions alive. (Our users frequently loginH > under more than one account, minimizing/restoring sessions to/from theH > taskbar as needed.) Setting up a simple loop that would require manualH > execution seems ludicrous. Does anyone have an idea/method for keepingJ > alive a telnet session? There are many "idle process killers" out there.F > How about a program/job that does just the opposite? By the way, theE > RS/6000 (AIX 4.3.2) admin. has come up with having each login run a K > background shell script that loops every ten minutes, sending a space andnG > thereby keeping the process alive. It works, but certainly seems, uh,dI > "Mickey Mouse" (no offense) to me. Any/all help is greatly appreciated.e >l
 > Thanks, Joeo   ------------------------------   Date: 26 APR 2000 20:09:40 GMT6 From: greenwoodde@feda01.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood) Subject: Re: Timeout Issues 2 Message-ID: <26APR00.20094040@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  ( "Earl D. Lakia" <lakia@ipact.com> wrote:< > Could you spawn a keep alive sub process in the backgroundK > that writes a Bell every five minutes or a Null?  The subprocess would do-> > a breakthrough write to sys$output with no carriage control.; > You could test this with the following (note, the Bell is:> > a special insert using the editor).  However, the problem is: > that a <CR><LF> is also output with the bell as well and: > the output screen will advance one line.  Therefore, you6 > might want to create a real program that doesn't add! > these extra control characters.  >  t > $type earl.com > $on controlY then goto 100 > $bell = "<07>" > $100:> > $write sys$output bell > $ wait 0 00:10:00V > $goto 100m >  m: > When user logs in and you determine that he has a telnetG > session (I would do  devnam = f$extract(1,3,f$getdvi("tt:","devnam"))i? > and make that determination, I get NTA as a device when I usea+ > TELNET), spawn the following sub-process.V >  o > $spawn/nowait @earl.comh  B If you try this, be sure to add /input=nla0: to the spawn command.A Otherwise a ^C in the top level process will kill the subprocess.t  A Personally, I use a Fortran program that puts up a display on thesA screen and updates the time every minute.  A password is requirede= to exit the program (or it'll exit on its own after 4 hours).-   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVoH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:27:44 +0200 $ From: Paul Sture <sture.ch@sture.ch> Subject: Re: USERNAMEi+ Message-ID: <VA.0000001a.0dc21839@sture.ch>a  M In article <F02D5A46B8AED311BE4F0090279FA2401E8325@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>, T John Macallister wrote: M > I suspect that, like me, most VMS users who receive a significant volume of-D > mail have already moved to a mail system which can handle MIME and% > attachments in a hassle-free manner  >rM I'll agree with the fact that VMS mail should be able to handle this sort of 6 stuff.  L BUT. Hoff put it as 200 odd lines instead of 2 lines. I measured it as ~5KB J instead of say 120-150 bytes plus headers (cannot be bothered counting at  that level).  M IIRC, you were told before in this newsgroup that newsgoups have always been  3 text only, and that is a means of access for all...   L Please get off your pedestal that sending 5K vs far less "looks better"  or > is "more advanced technology". It's the content which matters. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:27:43 +0200n$ From: Paul Sture <sture.ch@sture.ch> Subject: Re: USERNAMEe+ Message-ID: <VA.00000019.0dc214c9@sture.ch>   ? In article <009E9259.E8FECDAC@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- Brian o Schenkenberger wrote:oK > Hmmm!  I wonder who would be delighted by an increase in the VMS username.
 > length.  ;)s >s  - $ write sys$output f$length("Schenkenberger")c 14 $a  9 Hmm. Max process name 15 bytes? What to do abount that...  ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:35:07 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>l Subject: Re: USERNAMEi/ Message-ID: <sgerqjbjqtj122@corp.supernews.com>   E Phillip Helbig wrote in message <8e6dah$odf$1@info.service.rug.nl>...e >...F >Keep in mind that many or most folks read this group not as a mailingD >list but as a news group.  As such, mime should be turned off.  OK, oneRC >could have a mime-aware newsreader, but I really think posting 204  linesnE >instead of 2 is irresponsible bloat, even if resource consumption is  notr >a problem.f >...    D I agree 100%. I read this group using "Outlook Express" on a WindowsC NT box. It read and displayed the message quite easily, but I stillyD object to seeing a 7 line message take up 6K of disk space. There is7 no need for wasting bandwidth and disk space like that.j  A I also object to the fact that someone can post a message in thiseD newsgroup with embedded code that causes my browser to open some XXXF site. Newsreaders or Mail programs should not understand HTML codes or Java Script IMHO.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:42 -05002) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>l Subject: Re: USERNAME:/ Message-ID: <sgevgjueqtj167@corp.supernews.com>v  / Paul Sture <sture.ch#sture.ch> wrote in messagea% news:VA.00000019.0dc214c9@sture.ch...h@ > In article <009E9259.E8FECDAC@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- Brian > Schenkenberger wrote: D > > Hmmm!  I wonder who would be delighted by an increase in the VMS username > > length.  ;)y > >o/ > $ write sys$output f$length("Schenkenberger")d > 14 > $/; > Hmm. Max process name 15 bytes? What to do abount that...g  J While 12 is now the documented maximum, it used to be possible to create aK 13 character username, and newer versions of VMS seem to accept logins from  it.v  J Assuming that you could get a 14 character username into the UAF file, how* many places would it work or break things?   -Johnn wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:07:34 GMTu* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: USERNAME3' Message-ID: <2000Apr26.210734.1@eisner>1  [ In article <sgevgjueqtj167@corp.supernews.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes:n > L > While 12 is now the documented maximum, it used to be possible to create aM > 13 character username, and newer versions of VMS seem to accept logins fromr > it.  > L > Assuming that you could get a 14 character username into the UAF file, how, > many places would it work or break things? >   < 	It breaks the OpenVMS Management Station (actually, you get> 	an error message with no indication what caused the error but< 	it reads in all the usernames/account info).  Secondly, the; 	freeware product UAF just blows past the entry.  In a case-? 	where I was removing all accounts not logged into in 6 months,iB 	 one that had a 14 character Username .... it blew right past it.   				Robr   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2000 21:59 CSTl' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: RE: USERNAMEe- Message-ID: <26APR200021593169@gerg.tamu.edu>    In article <F02D5A46B8AED311BE4F0090279FA2401E8325@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>, John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> writes... K }>is the length of a VMS username the same on an Alpha as it is on VAX ( 12y8 }characters) when returned from F$GETJPI ("","USERNAME") } G }I didn't have to change any of my username procedures or programs whenaL }changing from VAX to Alpha and those procedures continue to work in VMS 7.1H }.. I've just checked with VMS 7.1 on a VAX and Alpha and both return 12 }character strings.n } J }>> Please turn off MIME.  (Otherwise, a simple two-line question becomes  }>> 202 lines long...)  Thanks!e }  }>  I'll second the request. } L }I'd reword the request, if people must keep bringing it up, and redirect itD }to the developers of VMS mail: please make VMS MAIL handle MIME and }attachments transparently.3 } L }I suspect that, like me, most VMS users who receive a significant volume ofC }mail have already moved to a mail system which can handle MIME andhH }attachments in a hassle-free manner. This particular message gave me noL }problem. Don't criticise the sender as it's often very difficult, even whenM }you're familiar some mail packages, to switch of the "rich" features in mailhJ }to  produce only plain text to accommodate the lowest common denominator.M }Until VMS MAIL comes up to scratch VMS will remain the lowest denominator as  }far as mail is concerned. u } M }For anyone interested in the future of VMS, MAIL functionality should have alJ }high priority. Who wants a system which cannot even handle ordinary mail? }  }John   D Which may all be true, but irrelevant. I didn't see his message fromG mail of any sort, VMS or otherwise. I saw it in the newsgroup - roughly H 4 lines of actuall message and then nearly 200 lines of HTML (I think itG was, I don't remember for sure) repeating the same thing but only aftersK also specifying all kinds of garbage such as fonts (which probably wouldn't0K appear correctly anyway even if VMS Mail did MIME and HTML unless they alsorH extend the DECwindows stuff to do TrueType fonts allowing you to use theI same fonts you've got on your Windows PC - although even then you are not 2 sure to have the same fonts that the sender used).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:48:51 -0400h5 From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet@onay-amspay.mail.com>m Subject: Re: USERNAMEs4 Message-ID: <39078E73.7C9073FB@onay-amspay.mail.com>  B With the newsreader in Netscape 3.03 for VMS you can select "View,K Attachments as Links" instead of "Attachments Inline" and the imbedded HTMLtJ doesn't get executed unless you click on the displayed link.  Maybe OE has something similar.     Peter Weaver wrote:m > G > Phillip Helbig wrote in message <8e6dah$odf$1@info.service.rug.nl>...  > >...H > >Keep in mind that many or most folks read this group not as a mailingF > >list but as a news group.  As such, mime should be turned off.  OK, > onehE > >could have a mime-aware newsreader, but I really think posting 204t > linescG > >instead of 2 is irresponsible bloat, even if resource consumption is  > noth
 > >a problem.h > >... > F > I agree 100%. I read this group using "Outlook Express" on a WindowsE > NT box. It read and displayed the message quite easily, but I stillHF > object to seeing a 7 line message take up 6K of disk space. There is9 > no need for wasting bandwidth and disk space like that.0 > C > I also object to the fact that someone can post a message in this F > newsgroup with embedded code that causes my browser to open some XXXH > site. Newsreaders or Mail programs should not understand HTML codes or > Java Script IMHO.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:40:22 +0100l- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e Subject: Re: Verify of Backups) Message-ID: <39072A06.21DEDF24@bbc.co.uk>e   "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:    > Hoff Hoffman wrote:l >o
 > > [snip] > M > >   That said, if I have unique or difficult-to-replace data, I usually uses> > >   BACKUP /VERIFY -- otherwise, why bother with the BACKUP? > >nN > >  There is one failure scenario that the /VERIFY won't detect:  mis-aligned > heads.O > In a previous position, we were passing the /VERIFY comparison, but could notlI > restore the tapes on any other drive because of the head mis-alignment.-  M Ah yes, I heard a story about misallignment of heads on a DLT drive recently.l  N Whenever a tape drive is swapped, I like to read last nights backlup tape back. before the engineer leaves with the old drive.  T It does make sense to test restore to different hardware, or at least read back data  Q to a different drive. Of course, convincing management to cough for the duplicateD= hardware can be a problem (shouldn't but u know what I mean).h    --l6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukm  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofy MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:45:52 +0100d- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>h Subject: Re: Verify of Backups) Message-ID: <39072B50.5CDBFB35@bbc.co.uk>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote:  ) > In article <2000Apr19.135022.1@eisner>, 9 >    kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) writes:oK > > No, I would say that is one of the most useful applications of /VERIFY.fK > > It makes it apparent that you do not have an accurate copy of your disks$ > > at any particular point in time. >tE >    Or, put another way, it lets you know exactly what is inaccurate I > about your backup - which allows you to make an informed decision aboutf > how useful the backup is.h  B I have an application in use occasionally which will not cause anyJ explicit backup verification errors but if a backup runs concurrently withH it the backup is toast. Needless to say, my backup script looks for that job during initialization.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukh  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:42:55 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>i Subject: Re: Verify of Backups) Message-ID: <39072A9F.2BB6AF3E@bbc.co.uk>>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   ; > In article <38FDBC5D.5058B2D3@ccinet.ab.ca>, Gord Coulmanh > <gcoulman@ccinet.ab.cawrites:t >sE > > I have never seen verify catch any problems other than files thatdD > > changed since the backup pass (not really a problem).  When tapeF > > problems have occurred (bad tapes, dirty heads, etc) backup alwaysK > > bagged an error during the backup pass and never even got to the verifye	 > > pass.n >l > ??? SET NOON, ON ERROR,...  @ Yup, then grab the $STATUS value into a separate symbol for each@ backup command in the job and do a test at the end of the backup- job to determine if all backups completed OK.i  C You really DO want to carry on with the backup when there is just ao verification* error on eg the backup logfile, don't you?   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofm MedAS or the BBC.m   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2000 12:25:48 -0700* From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett) Subject: Re: Verify of Backups, Message-ID: <ByNEiXRpauY7@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  * In article <39072B50.5CDBFB35@bbc.co.uk>, 3     Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:o > D > I have an application in use occasionally which will not cause anyL > explicit backup verification errors but if a backup runs concurrently withJ > it the backup is toast. Needless to say, my backup script looks for that > job during initialization. > I    Can you elaborate? Do you mean that any files open by this application L are not backed up properly? If backup doesn't report any verification errorsI for the file then presumably it has gotten a consistant "snapshot" of theuI files. Of course this doesn't mean the files are usable, that all dependseH on how the application writes to them and what it expects to see in themD when it is restarted ( of course in this case you'd also end up with5 corrupt files if the application or system crashed ).n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:15:21 +0100t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>O Subject: Re: Verify of Backups* Message-ID: <39075C68.F7FADA48@virgin.net>   Robert Deininger wrote:r  K > On Thu, Apr 20, 2000 6:10 AM, Phillip Helbig <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote:t3 > >In article <8dmcr0$kc0$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, 8 > >gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > >o7 > >> I thought I explained this already some weeks ago.e > >a= > >Right, but it was easier to just repost the whole thing...l >.H > If you're going to repost the questions periodically, at least includeF > the previous answers!  We'll never make progress if we have to startH > over every time.  Why don't you turn it into a little FAQ-in-progress? > $ > >> >   o  /MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION >nF > Doesn't work on our Quantum-brand DLTs.  I think it does work on theI > Digital-firmware variety.  We set the compression using the front panelX% > push-button when initing each tape.e  M There is a problem in VMS 7.2-1 (and possibly 7.2) with the /MEDIA=COMPACTION L switch. In some circumstances the setting is ignored. There was a discussion, here a couple of months ago on this subject.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:01:56 GMT-, From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow)? Subject: Re: VMS Fibre channel connectivity with 3rd party diskt' Message-ID: <2000Apr26.150156.1@eisner>e  | In article <Pine.BSI.4.00.10004251940080.14953-100000@hometown.idirect.com>, "Michael Kwan, GCN" <mkwan@idirect.com> writes:K > I am not sure if this has been asked before. I am working to connect some ) > non-Compaq (non-DEC) disk array to VMS.c > J > I have the KGPSA-BY Fibre channel HBA on my AS8400, and connect the diskJ > array via a switch . The strange thing is, I can see these drives at theE > ALpha console (v5.6) mode using SHOW DEVICE, ( $1$DRA250m $1$DRA300lJ > etc) but after I booted up VMS (v7.2-1 with latest FC tima kit v0200), I# > can't see any of these FC drives.  > G > I looked through quite a bit of Compaq/DEC documentation, there is no K > mention of the need to do any configuration on the VMS side, however, themK > DEC docs always refer to the HSG80, which in my case, I don't have, since $ > I am attaching to a non-DEC array. > B > Am I missing something? Any insight would be deeply appreciated.  B Both at his DECUS presentation, and at a recent local Fibrechannel@ presentation late last year, Richie Lary made it VERY CLEAR thatE interoperability just does not exist in todays Fibrechannel products,s? especially in switches. Are you at least using a Compaq switch?a   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1s   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2000 21:24:57 GMT* From: bleau@umdsp.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)B Subject: Re: Why does Pathworks(Mac) change mod date of .dir file?) Message-ID: <8e7mr9$20i$1@hecate.umd.edu>o  F One respondent (David Mathog, MATHOG@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu) asked me:  M >>Now to complicate life: This didn't always happen.  Although I noticed this-Q >>behavior only this month, I checked my older logs, and it's been going on since0R >>March 11.  Before that only 20-30 of this user's files were backed up each day.  >,U >Are you sure that it never happened before then, for instance, starting Jan 1, 2000?i  K No, I'm not absolutely sure.  I was using as a guide the number of files in H this user's directory tree that are backed up by an incremental backup. L Typically 20-30 files are backed up, mainly .DIR and .MAI files.  Then thereN are days when >3000 files are backed up, which is about the same # of files in" the user's whole directory tree.    K Just to check this out, I did a search of all BACKUP listing files for thislM disk (I only have them going back to Jan 2, btw) for the number of times thisaM user's top-level directory name occurs.  It first happens on Jan 11 and keeps'O going with some regularity after that.  So, it looks like my original assertion-6 (that the problem started on a certain date) is wrong.  I This fits in with other known data, btw.  There's a revision count on the.O user's top-level .DIR file that is in the 3000s.  Now, if it had started on MarVN 11, as originally suspected, and the user connects, say, twice per day, that'dO be about 100 revisions, not anywhere near 3000.  At 2x/day, that'd be 1500 worklO days, which translates to 300 weeks, or nearly 6 years.  Even if he reboots hisoM Mac 6x/day (and connects automatically each time), this'd still be 2 years of M this behavior.  I guess this has been going on a *lot* longer than originallyeH suspected.  Too bad I don't have older backup log files to confirm this.  L This makes life a bit easier, actually.  Now all I have to find out is *why*K it's happening and how to work around its side effects, rather than why thei behavior changed.n  K >>I checked with the user, and he's not changed the typical operations he'saL >>done.  The system was rebooted (and Pathworks(Mac) started) on March 1 andN >>again on Mar 18, so a system reboot didn't cause this.  I've not changed the% >>system parameters in that period.    >tM >Did anybody install a different Mac OS version on or around that date?  9.x i >for instance?  M No.  I asked our Mac guru, and he hadn't changed anything in this time frame.o  L >>HOWEVER, I did add a Pathworks(Mac) volume for a new user on Mar 10.  ThisG >>very suspiciously coincides with the first date of the strange BACKUPaM >>behavior.  I checked the MSAF$SERVER.LOG files, and nothing is reported for J >>that day; the next entry is for Mar 15, when the new user first tries toI >>connect.  The odd BACKUP behavior had already begun, though, so that int >>itself is not the reason.E >>H >>So, what is going on here?  How do I stop it from happening?  How do I= >>change Pathworks(Mac)'s behavior back to "normal"?  Thanks.. >.K >Nowadays we only use PW/Mac for printing.  In any case, I suggest that youkK >start by creating a brand new user account and matching PW/Mac mount pointnK >and watch what happens VERY CAREFULLY as you access it from a Mac.  If youhL >can figure out which operation causes the directory change, then you may beG >able to tell the users not to do whatever it is that is triggering thebL >problem.  For instance, if releasing the volume causes the increment, they * >could just leave it mounted all the time.  G I took this advice, but just created a brand new directory, rather thantM account.  Effect should be the same.  It turns out that the first time I used-M Chooser to connect ot the volume the revision date changed.  It changed again(O when I opened the volume.  Closing the volume and disconnecting from it did notnM change the revision date.  On subsequent attempts, however, connecting to thetL new volume did *not* change its revision date.  Opening the volume, however,1 always changes its revision date in my test case.v  K Another respondent (Christoph Gartmann, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de) partiallyl confirmed my tests:u  L >I checked it here (OpenVMS 7.1-2, MSA 1.3A): in fact, the modification dateH >of a directory is updated whenever I connect to the fileserver for thisN >directory. And this is true even if I didn't open the volume on the Mac, just >mounting it is sufficient.   
 He then asks:   2 >Could it be that your user checked the little box* >for mounting the volume at every startup?  J This should not matter.  If the box is checked, that merely means that theI volume is mounted each time that person's Mac is booted.  The problem I'm M observing is due to the revision date being changed when the volume is openede (or, in your case, "mounted").  & Christopher then makes an observation:  N >I noticed in addition that some of these directories have a strange ACL where >others have not, eg.t  $ <snip dump of application ACL entry>  O I noticed this rather lengthy ACE on my user's directory as well.  Odd, though,JK the lengthy ACE does not appear on my test directory (Mac volume).  I've nosM idea why it is there.  Anyone have ideas?  More to the point, could somethingoO in this ACE be telling Pathworks(Mac) to (as a side effect) update the revisionr date?2  O Lightbulb: Is it possible that the Pathworks(Mac) server s/w is *updating* thiseG ACE every time the volume is mounted?  Updating an ACE would change the 3 revision date of the associated file, would it not?m  K Related question: What would be the effect of *removing* the ACE altogethereO from the user's directory?  I guess we can answer this better once we learn why,M the ACE is there in the first place.  If you need a dump of the ACE to answery# this, let me know and I'll send it.d   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umdsp.umd.edu    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.234 ************************