1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 02 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 428       Contents:' Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables ' Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables ' Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables ' Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables ' Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables  Re: All print queues stopping  RE: All print queues stopping  RE: All print queues stopping  Re: All print queues stopping - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working 0 RE: Compaq C 6.2-007 accvio during debug compileO Re: Creating an "Out" Queue Under OpenVMS ver. 7.1 to Print to Linux LPD Queue? O Re: Creating an "Out" Queue Under OpenVMS ver. 7.1 to Print to Linux LPD Queue? $ Re: DCPS woes / Tektronix Phaser 850$ Re: DCPS woes / Tektronix Phaser 8502 Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on?2 Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on?2 Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on?2 Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on?& How to convert VMS ascii files to UNIX* Re: How to convert VMS ascii files to UNIX How's it Going HTML Convertor Re: HTML Convertor Re: HTML Convertor: It's easy to determine how a computer is used and save $10$ LAT node name change - documentation( Re: LAT node name change - documentation LDAP SDK for VMS Re: LDAP SDK for VMS  Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99  Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $991 Re: Mlucas performance probelm - need expert help  MOP thru firewall VPN  Re: NetWare NDS and VMS  NTP Server on UCX 4.2  Re: NTP Server on UCX 4.2  Re: Power Supply for DEC3000# PPL semaphore prolem on OpenVMS 6.2 ' Re: PPL semaphore prolem on OpenVMS 6.2  Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Re-initing DLT tapes Re: Re-initing DLT tapes  Re: SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut. Re: Security question  Re: Security question  Re: Software under 90$  5097P Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and workiP Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and workiP Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and worki Re: VMS training in the UK Re: VMS training in the UK Re: VMS training in the UK' Re: Will Compaq port StarOffice to VMS? ' Re: Will Compaq port StarOffice to VMS?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:54:25 GMT  From: operagost@my-deja.com 0 Subject: Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables) Message-ID: <8m76ct$8pt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   / In article <sobnsa1u9ft155@corp.supernews.com>, 0   "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote:G > operagost@email.com wrote in message <8m4ktr$cnp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... 1 > >In article <sobiql399ft21@corp.supernews.com>, 3 > >  "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote: ) > >> operagost@email.com wrote in message " > <8m4gjk$917$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...	 > >> >... ! > >> >  "$4$DIA30:" = "$4$DIA30:"   > >> >  "$4$dia30" = "$4$dia30:" > >> >> > >> >How do I fix it? When I try DEASS /SYS $4$DIA30: it says > >> >/ > >> >%SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match 	 > >> >...  > >> > >> Try > >>D > >>     DEASS /SYS $4$DIA430:: ! Note the two colons, not just one. > >>3 > >> That should get rid of the $4$DIA430: logical.  > > H > >Sorry, already tried that too. Hmm, hate to reboot the system just to > >... > G > I just noticed that you had "$4$dia30" in lower case. Is that the way  > it actually shows? If so then  > @ > $ DEASS /SYS "$4$dia30" ! should get rid of the second logical8 > $ DEASS /SYS $4$DIA30:: ! Should get rid of the first. > C > If that doesn't work then do a SHOW LOG *DIA30*/FULL and SHOW LOG ; > "*dia30*"/FULL and post the output from the two commands.   D Yeah, I've tried some other people's suggestions and they don't workH either. I definitely should have kept a copy of what I did originally so8 I could look at it. Here's the output of those commands:    % LIMS    Manager>SHOW LOG *DIA30*/FULL     (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)     [kernel]3                         [no protection information]   D (LNM$JOB_8124EB70)      [kernel]  [shareable]  [Quota=(14248,15000)]D                         [Protection=(RWED,RWED,,)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  3 (LNM$GROUP_000001)      [kernel]  [shareable,group] ?                         [Protection=(RWED,R,R,)]  [Owner=[1,0]]   4 (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)      [kernel]  [shareable,system]D                         [Protection=(RWE,RWE,R,R)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  "   "$4$DIA30:" [exec] = "$4$DIA30:"  + (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)    [exec]  [shareable] F                         [Protection=(RWED,RWED,R,R)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  % LIMS    Manager>SHOW LOG *dia30*/FULL     (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)     [kernel]3                         [no protection information]   D (LNM$JOB_8124EB70)      [kernel]  [shareable]  [Quota=(14248,15000)]D                         [Protection=(RWED,RWED,,)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  3 (LNM$GROUP_000001)      [kernel]  [shareable,group] ?                         [Protection=(RWED,R,R,)]  [Owner=[1,0]]   4 (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)      [kernel]  [shareable,system]D                         [Protection=(RWE,RWE,R,R)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  "   "$4$DIA30:" [exec] = "$4$DIA30:"  + (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)    [exec]  [shareable] F                         [Protection=(RWED,RWED,R,R)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:26:48 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> 0 Subject: Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables. Message-ID: <soe93ph1dbm74@corp.supernews.com>  & operagost@my-deja.com wrote in message  <8m76ct$8pt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...0 >In article <sobnsa1u9ft155@corp.supernews.com>,1 >  "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote:  >>... A >> $ DEASS /SYS "$4$dia30" ! should get rid of the second logical 9 >> $ DEASS /SYS $4$DIA30:: ! Should get rid of the first.  >>D >> If that doesn't work then do a SHOW LOG *DIA30*/FULL and SHOW LOG< >> "*dia30*"/FULL and post the output from the two commands. >  >...& >LIMS    Manager>SHOW LOG *DIA30*/FULL >...# >  "$4$DIA30:" [exec] = "$4$DIA30:"  >...& >LIMS    Manager>SHOW LOG *dia30*/FULL >...# >  "$4$DIA30:" [exec] = "$4$DIA30:"  >...    . On your second SHOW you missed the quotes. Try   $ SHOW LOG "*dia*" /FULL   exactly as shown.   < To get rid of the one logical you show above use the command  : $ DEASSIGN/SYSTEM/EXEC $4$DIA30::  ! no quotes on this one  - The other one should be one of these commands   E $ DEASSIGN/SYSTEM/EXEC "$4$dia30"   ! Don't forget the quotes and pay  attention to the case E $ DEASSIGN/SYSTEM/SUP "$4$dia30"    ! Don't forget the quotes and pay  attention to the case E $ DEASSIGN/SYSTEM "$4$dia30"        ! Don't forget the quotes and pay  attention to the case        -- $! Peter Weaver 8 $ input = "0756475627E277561667562704374756C636F6E23616" $ i = 0  $loop:, $ my_address2[i*4,4]=%X'F$EXTRACT(i,1,input) $ i = i + 1 * $ if i .lt. f$length(input) then goto loop1 $ write sys$output "My address is ''my_address2'"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:08:24 -0400 # From: Tom Brand <Tom.Brand@bmc.org> 0 Subject: Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables2 Message-ID: <p04320402b5acd81eb0a3@[155.41.21.61]>  I You need (IIRC) to quote ANYTHING that you want DCL to keep in lowercase.   G +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   ; A test of logical defines and deassigns (excess stuff cut):      LANCER-TRB=BB SL/FULL *ATEST* 7 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *ATEST*    LANCER-TRB=BB SL/FULL *atest* 7 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *ATEST*    LANCER-TRB=BB SL/FULL "*atest*" 7 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *atest*    LANCER-TRB=BB def atest1    1  LANCER-TRB=BB def atest2    2  LANCER-TRB=BB def "atest3"  3  LANCER-TRB=BB def "atest4:" 4  LANCER-TRB=BB sl *atest*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)       "ATEST1" =3D "1"     "ATEST2" =3D "2"    LANCER-TRB=BB sl "*atest*"   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)       "atest3" =3D "3"     "atest4:" =3D "4"    3 LANCER-TRB=BB deas atest1		!note, no error messages  LANCER-TRB=BB deas atest2  LANCER-TRB=BB deas "atest3"  LANCER-TRB=BB deas "atest4::"      LANCER-TRB=BB sl *ATEST*7 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *ATEST*    LANCER-TRB=BB sl "*atest*"7 %SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *atest*   G +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   E Now, below, you do a show logical/full on an unquoted  $4$dia30:, eg:  	SHOW LOG *DIA30*/FULL 	SHOW LOG *dia30*/FULL  F The two are equivalent.  To list the _lowercase_ definition, you MUST  quote the lowercase: 	SHOW LOG "*dia30*" /full   5 This would display something like  (cut for brevity): %    "$4$dia30:" [exec] =3D "$4$DIA30:"    $   So, in your case, you should do:   $ SHOW LOG/FULL *DIA30*  $ SHOW LOG/FULL "*dia30*"   @ $ DEASSIGN/SYSTEM/EXEC "$4$DIA30::"    ! gets rid of "$4$DIA30:"@ $ DEASSIGN/SYSTEM/EXEC "$4$dia30::"    ! gets rid of "$4$dia30:"        0 >In article <sobnsa1u9ft155@corp.supernews.com>,2 >   "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote:I >>  operagost@email.com wrote in message <8m4ktr$cnp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... 3 >>  >In article <sobiql399ft21@corp.supernews.com>, 5 >>  >  "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote: + >>  >> operagost@email.com wrote in message $ >>  <8m4gjk$917$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >>  >> >... % >>  >> >  "$4$DIA30:" =3D "$4$DIA30:" $ >>  >> >  "$4$dia30" =3D "$4$dia30:" >>  >> >@ >>  >> >How do I fix it? When I try DEASS /SYS $4$DIA30: it says >>  >> >1 >>  >> >%SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match  >>  >> >...  >>  >>
 >>  >> Try >>  >>F >>  >>     DEASS /SYS $4$DIA430:: ! Note the two colons, not just one. >>  >>5 >>  >> That should get rid of the $4$DIA430: logical.  >>  > J >>  >Sorry, already tried that too. Hmm, hate to reboot the system just to >>  >... >>I >>  I just noticed that you had "$4$dia30" in lower case. Is that the way ! >>  it actually shows? If so then  >>B >>  $ DEASS /SYS "$4$dia30" ! should get rid of the second logical: >>  $ DEASS /SYS $4$DIA30:: ! Should get rid of the first. >>E >>  If that doesn't work then do a SHOW LOG *DIA30*/FULL and SHOW LOG = >>  "*dia30*"/FULL and post the output from the two commands.  > E >Yeah, I've tried some other people's suggestions and they don't work I >either. I definitely should have kept a copy of what I did originally so 9 >I could look at it. Here's the output of those commands:  > & >LIMS    Manager>SHOW LOG *DIA30*/FULL > ! >(LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)     [kernel] 5 >                         [no protection information]  > G >(LNM$JOB_8124EB70)      [kernel]  [shareable]  [Quota=3D(14248,15000)] J >                         [Protection=3D(RWED,RWED,,)]  [Owner=3D[SYSTEM]] > 4 >(LNM$GROUP_000001)      [kernel]  [shareable,group]E >                         [Protection=3D(RWED,R,R,)]  [Owner=3D[1,0]]  > 5 >(LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)      [kernel]  [shareable,system] J >                         [Protection=3D(RWE,RWE,R,R)]  [Owner=3D[SYSTEM]] > & >   "$4$DIA30:" [exec] =3D "$4$DIA30:" > , >(DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)    [exec]  [shareable]L >                         [Protection=3D(RWED,RWED,R,R)]  [Owner=3D[SYSTEM]] > & >LIMS    Manager>SHOW LOG *dia30*/FULL > ! >(LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)     [kernel] 5 >                         [no protection information]  > G >(LNM$JOB_8124EB70)      [kernel]  [shareable]  [Quota=3D(14248,15000)] J >                         [Protection=3D(RWED,RWED,,)]  [Owner=3D[SYSTEM]] > 4 >(LNM$GROUP_000001)      [kernel]  [shareable,group]E >                         [Protection=3D(RWED,R,R,)]  [Owner=3D[1,0]]  > 5 >(LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)      [kernel]  [shareable,system] J >                         [Protection=3D(RWE,RWE,R,R)]  [Owner=3D[SYSTEM]] > & >   "$4$DIA30:" [exec] =3D "$4$DIA30:" > , >(DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)    [exec]  [shareable]L >                         [Protection=3D(RWED,RWED,R,R)]  [Owner=3D[SYSTEM]] >  > ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy.   --    E +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  Thomas Brand System Administrator Boston Medical Center  Email:	Tom.Brand@bmc.org Phone:	(617) 638-8205    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:18:31 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com0 Subject: Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables4 Message-ID: <C225692E.006EA218.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  + Looks like $DEASSIGN/SYSTEM/EXEC $4$DIA30::         / operagost@my-deja.com on 08/01/2000 02:54:25 PM    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc: 1 Subject:  Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables         / In article <sobnsa1u9ft155@corp.supernews.com>, 0   "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote:G > operagost@email.com wrote in message <8m4ktr$cnp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... 1 > >In article <sobiql399ft21@corp.supernews.com>, 3 > >  "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote: ) > >> operagost@email.com wrote in message " > <8m4gjk$917$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...	 > >> >... ! > >> >  "$4$DIA30:" = "$4$DIA30:"   > >> >  "$4$dia30" = "$4$dia30:" > >> >> > >> >How do I fix it? When I try DEASS /SYS $4$DIA30: it says > >> >/ > >> >%SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match 	 > >> >...  > >> > >> Try > >>D > >>     DEASS /SYS $4$DIA430:: ! Note the two colons, not just one. > >>3 > >> That should get rid of the $4$DIA430: logical.  > > H > >Sorry, already tried that too. Hmm, hate to reboot the system just to > >... > G > I just noticed that you had "$4$dia30" in lower case. Is that the way  > it actually shows? If so then  > @ > $ DEASS /SYS "$4$dia30" ! should get rid of the second logical8 > $ DEASS /SYS $4$DIA30:: ! Should get rid of the first. > C > If that doesn't work then do a SHOW LOG *DIA30*/FULL and SHOW LOG ; > "*dia30*"/FULL and post the output from the two commands.   D Yeah, I've tried some other people's suggestions and they don't workH either. I definitely should have kept a copy of what I did originally so8 I could look at it. Here's the output of those commands:    % LIMS    Manager>SHOW LOG *DIA30*/FULL     (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)     [kernel]3                         [no protection information]   D (LNM$JOB_8124EB70)      [kernel]  [shareable]  [Quota=(14248,15000)]D                         [Protection=(RWED,RWED,,)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  3 (LNM$GROUP_000001)      [kernel]  [shareable,group] ?                         [Protection=(RWED,R,R,)]  [Owner=[1,0]]   4 (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)      [kernel]  [shareable,system]D                         [Protection=(RWE,RWE,R,R)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  "   "$4$DIA30:" [exec] = "$4$DIA30:"  + (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)    [exec]  [shareable] F                         [Protection=(RWED,RWED,R,R)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  % LIMS    Manager>SHOW LOG *dia30*/FULL     (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)     [kernel]3                         [no protection information]   D (LNM$JOB_8124EB70)      [kernel]  [shareable]  [Quota=(14248,15000)]D                         [Protection=(RWED,RWED,,)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  3 (LNM$GROUP_000001)      [kernel]  [shareable,group] ?                         [Protection=(RWED,R,R,)]  [Owner=[1,0]]   4 (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)      [kernel]  [shareable,system]D                         [Protection=(RWE,RWE,R,R)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]  "   "$4$DIA30:" [exec] = "$4$DIA30:"  + (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)    [exec]  [shareable] F                         [Protection=(RWED,RWED,R,R)]  [Owner=[SYSTEM]]    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:54:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 0 Subject: Re: A Fine Mess with the logical tables, Message-ID: <39878D4D.6033940D@videotron.ca>  # > > >> >  "$4$DIA30:" = "$4$DIA30:" " > > >> >  "$4$dia30" = "$4$dia30:"  F Note that you should not have colons in logical NAMES (but ok in their translation) for disk drives.   N You should check the logical DISK$* to ensure that none of the logical *names*L contain a colon. They are created with the volume name and standalone backupL on VAX (7.2) creates volume NAMES that contain a colon, which results in theM logical names containing a colon and this causes some software (notably PCSI)  to fail.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2000 18:25:54 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: All print queues stopping6 Message-ID: <8m74ni$kq9$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDEAE@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes:iM :I am having an intermittent problem. all my print queues stop , all my print  :queues are IP print queues.    ;   OpenVMS version and platform, and TCP/IP version and ECO?   F   (If you are not on the current release and ECO for TCP/IP Services,    please get there.)  >   Specific type of printer involved, and its firmware version?  1 :...watching opcom I saw this message reappearingtC :once or twice a minute. Could someone translate this to English...M ..# :Message from user SYSTEM on alpha1 M :UCX$TELNETSYM - (JOBZ) open_socket_ast invoked with bad IOSB 660: connect to  :network object rejected  *   Translation: the printer said "go away".  H   The print symbiont is probably getting back to the printer before the J   printer is ready for the operation.  The Ask The Wizard area topic 1020 M   has a write-up on various relevent logical names around the retry interval.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:35:59 -0700 / From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>0& Subject: RE: All print queues stoppingM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDEB0@seantexch.unitedad.com>    Thanks Hoff.  J           I didn't specify printer types and... since we are talking about 20 different types.   )  Translation: the printer said "go away".   H   The print symbiont is probably getting back to the printer before the J   printer is ready for the operation.  The Ask The Wizard area topic 1020 C   has a write-up on various relevant logical names around the retrya	 interval.t  D I checked out the 1020 wizard and it gives me what I wanted to find.   (OpenVMS V7.1-2) 0J Any other guesses why ALL my print queues would stop( at the same time andJ leave no opcom). This alpha installation is only two weeks old. and 1 weekE with users on it.  other than this the only problem is that users arei@ looking in the batch queues for jobs and not finding them , thenK resubmitting them , to find out that the job that took 5 min. now completes- in less that 15 sec.      
 Thanks again.M Terry    -----Original Message-----# From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam & [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]' Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:26 AMc To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt& Subject: Re: All print queues stopping      
 In articleH <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDEAE@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry+ Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes:eG :I am having an intermittent problem. all my print queues stop , all myo printe :queues are IP print queues. e  ;   OpenVMS version and platform, and TCP/IP version and ECO?>  F   (If you are not on the current release and ECO for TCP/IP Services,    please get there.)  >   Specific type of printer involved, and its firmware version?  1 :...watching opcom I saw this message reappearing4C :once or twice a minute. Could someone translate this to English...d ..# :Message from user SYSTEM on alpha1 J :UCX$TELNETSYM - (JOBZ) open_socket_ast invoked with bad IOSB 660: connect to :network object rejected  *   Translation: the printer said "go away".  H   The print symbiont is probably getting back to the printer before the J   printer is ready for the operation.  The Ask The Wizard area topic 1020 C   has a write-up on various relevent logical names around the retryA	 interval.d  2  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------'L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com      5 *****************************************************o    5 *****************************************************I4 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those of  United Advertising Media. 5 *****************************************************t4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and may03 contain confidential and/or privileged material. If 3 you are not the intended recipient of this message,L. please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. It]0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons orW- entities other than the intended recipient isH prohibited.*5 *****************************************************  **   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2000 20:21:24 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: RE: All print queues stopping6 Message-ID: <8m7bg4$lq8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDEB0@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes:e :(OpenVMS V7.1-2) K :Any other guesses why ALL my print queues would stop( at the same time andeK :leave no opcom). This alpha installation is only two weeks old. and 1 week  :with users on it.    6   Nope -- something is falling over, rather obviously.  I   It is not (initially) clear if this is an "isolated" symbiont problem,  H   or if this is a problem with the queue manager, or a problem with IP, #   or a problem with something else.s  J   Please install TCP/IP Services V5.0A, if you have not already done so.  J   Also please plug in the mandatory (priority 1) ECO kits for OpenVMS, as K   well as the relevent priority 2 ECO kits.  (The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers @   to the ECO website.)  I   If you cannot get to TCP/IP Services V5.0A right away, then please get DE   the current ECO for V4.2 -- I'm guessing that V4.2 is probably the eJ   version of TCP/IP Services that you are presently using.  (When posting L   questions, please remember to always include the relevent product version I   information and the associated ECO status, whether the configuration isn/   standalone or operating in a cluster, etc...)[  L   If the problems persist after you move to the current ECOs, I'd encourage I   you to contact the nice folks at the Compaq Customer Support Center, aso2   I expect a little more digging will be involved.   3 :other than this the only problem is that users areeA :looking in the batch queues for jobs and not finding them , then4L :resubmitting them , to find out that the job that took 5 min. now completes :in less that 15 sec.   K   I can provide you with directions on how to create a customized symbiont EL   that will stall the jobs before processing them -- it's great for setting L   performance expectations. :-)  In the interim, you can consider the use ofM   the "/RETAIN"  attribute on the batch queues -- and since you will need it  M   if you choose this approach, there are DCL tools around that can clean out e*   retained jobs based on various criteria.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:25:24 +0800t- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>+& Subject: Re: All print queues stopping+ Message-ID: <39876A74.DE6D914E@bigpond.com>    Terry Marosites wrote: >  >  > (OpenVMS V7.1-2)L > Any other guesses why ALL my print queues would stop( at the same time andL > leave no opcom). This alpha installation is only two weeks old. and 1 weekG > with users on it.  other than this the only problem is that users areoB > looking in the batch queues for jobs and not finding them , thenM > resubmitting them , to find out that the job that took 5 min. now completesB > in less that 15 sec.  E I assumed from an earlier post you are running UCX rather than TCP/IP E services.  Try $ UCX SHOW COMMUNICATION/MEMORY to see if you have run  out of buffers.3@ We have a similar problem here which causes things to just stop.I To fix, upgrade to TCP/IP 5.0A or in the mean time just stop/restart UCX.3   -- C Regards, Dave.tI -------------------------------------------------------------------------lI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comsI DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm+I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennono   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:07:02 -0700' From: "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com>t6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working/ Message-ID: <soef2hhsdbm141@corp.supernews.com>l  I One thing omitted from this discussion, as far as I can see, is that CETS D 2000 is supposed to be the successor to the Tandem / Compaq AllianceH "Technical Update Conference" (ATU). This was a small conference used byL Tandem to impart technical  information / directions to their partners, in aH non-sales situation (i.e. no customers present, so no sales pressures or& vendors vying for customer attention).  H Looking at the literature for CETS I cannot see any indication that CETSL will provide any information about NSK, and comments here would seem to back that up. So:  B 1) How can CETS  how it can be considered a successor for the ATU.        B "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote in message, news:8llg85$e78$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...H > > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostF > > everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherH > > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend	 > > this?e >o. > You should attend ITUG (www.ITUG.org/events) >gG > =====================================================================t. > <rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in message% > news:8lkki5$vf3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... 6 > > In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,> > >   "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote:7 > > > www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and workingI > > >  > > >g > >dH > > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostF > > everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherH > > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend	 > > this?  > >e. > > ------------------------------------------
 > > Rob Lesany. > > Tandem Systems Programmer/Database Analyst > > rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.comM. > > ------------------------------------------ > >) > >[* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.  >  >N   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:10:48 -0700' From: "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com>,6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working/ Message-ID: <soef9s2ldbm108@corp.supernews.com>   J (Oops - sent earlier version of this before completion - hopfully complete message is below)r  I One thing omitted from this discussion, as far as I can see, is that CETSrD 2000 is supposed to be the successor to the Tandem / Compaq AllianceH "Technical Update Conference" (ATU). This was a small conference used byL Tandem to impart technical  information / directions to their partners, in aH non-sales situation (i.e. no customers present, so no sales pressures or& vendors vying for customer attention).  H Looking at the literature for CETS I cannot see any indication that CETSL will provide any information about NSK, and comments here would seem to back that up. So:  B 1) How can CETS  how it can be considered a successor for the ATU.  D 2) Where are Alliance partners supposed to go to get the information previously provided at the ATU.    - Andrew   >P >eD > "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote in message. > news:8llg85$e78$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...J > > > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostH > > > everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherJ > > > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend > > > this?+ > > 0 > > You should attend ITUG (www.ITUG.org/events) > >nI > > =====================================================================-0 > > <rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in message' > > news:8lkki5$vf3$1@nnrp1.deja.com...u8 > > > In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,@ > > >   "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote:9 > > > > www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and working0 > > > >  > > > >P > > >oJ > > > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostH > > > everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherJ > > > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend > > > this?r > > >n0 > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > Rob Lesan>0 > > > Tandem Systems Programmer/Database Analyst > > > rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.comw0 > > > ------------------------------------------ > > >> > > > , > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy.  > >> > >> >o >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:37:14 -0400-, From: Carl Friedberg <friedberg@exs.esb.com>9 Subject: RE: Compaq C 6.2-007 accvio during debug compileeA Message-ID: <41A7390127B5D1119C2500E02909414BF38A7A@bohr.esb.com>h  	 Hi Craig,l  G Thanks for bird-dogging this issue. The quality of your report no doubtyJ helped to produce the quick response from Compaq; it's an issue for anyoneJ who was contemplating using the /SHOW=CROSS_REF qualifier (a highly useful qualifier, IMHO).d   Carl   -----Original Message-----7 From: Craig A. Berry [mailto:craig.berry@metamorgs.com]    >I've heard from Ed Vogel...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:02:50 +1000/ From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au>tX Subject: Re: Creating an "Out" Queue Under OpenVMS ver. 7.1 to Print to Linux LPD Queue?3 Message-ID: <lqKh5.63936$N4.1849473@ozemail.com.au>e  0 Jerry Keene <jkeene@scseng.com> wrote in message4 news:e%Ch5.5839$Y51.33658@iad-read.news.verio.net... > Guys:  > I > I'd like to print from an Alpha server running OpenVMS version 4.1 to ak" > Linux printer defined under LPD. >0K > I've opened an incident with Compaq technical support but have yet to getL aG- > successful test print to the Linux printer.  > K > I know that the printer works properly since other remote Linux boxes canA > print to it with no problems.s >]L > I went through LPRSETUP as instructed by Compaq support, and while I'm notF > very familiar with OpenVMS, the LPRSETUP instructions were clear and > uncomplicated. > J > Compaq support helped me check things like the proper entry of the LinuxI > remote system's ip address and dns name under OpenVMS Hosts and gave my H > setup a green light.   They seem as clueless now as I am as to why the8 > OpenVMS "out" queues can't print to the Linux printer. >PI > Error msgs with test prints are consistent and indicate an inability toe
 > connect. >gL > One thing that alarms me a bit is that Compaq Support can't really furnishD > me with any example setups that involve Linux.  They did send me a documentG > describing printing from an OpenVMS alpha server to a Windows NT "LPRA > compatible" printer. >)C > Has any OpenVMS guru out there already "been there and done that"W > successfully?[ >T	 > Thanks.e >v I assume you are using ucx5 do a show logical ucx* or tcpip* to see your settings-L The lpd process should produce an error log - either one for all printers or& one per queue depending on your setup.8 You can check queue settings by typing the printcap fileH I thought that you could do some sort of debugging by setting of logicalH names like tcpip$???debug_flag, but I don't have any details to hand and% maybe this was with a telnet symbiontvJ If all else fails you can use TCPIPTRACE to find out exactly what is going on.a Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:22:11 -0400p2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)X Subject: Re: Creating an "Out" Queue Under OpenVMS ver. 7.1 to Print to Linux LPD Queue?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0108002122110001@user-2ive6dh.dialup.mindspring.com>  c In article <e%Ch5.5839$Y51.33658@iad-read.news.verio.net>, "Jerry Keene" <jkeene@scseng.com> wrote:p    L > I went through LPRSETUP as instructed by Compaq support, and while I'm notF > very familiar with OpenVMS, the LPRSETUP instructions were clear and > uncomplicated.  J Well, maybe it's just me.  I'm finding LPRSETUP to be obscure and twisted,C and the documentation deplorable.  I find that every little mistakeeD usually leaves me with a printcap file that's inconsistent with the I DCL command files, and no errors are reported by LPRSETUP.  It just makes / a garbage setup and smiles at me all the time. r  rC I got the impression that I'm supposed to read all about it in somecJ sorry man page on my unix system.  But I don't have, and DON'T WANT a unixF system or any man pages.  Does the UCX documentation have any completeH definition of what can go in a printcap file?  At least I can understandH the stuff in ucx$lpd_startup.com, but the printcap stuff is just a bunch of dandelions to me.  < Maybe the new version of TCP/IP is better.  (I'm using UCX.)  H (Oops.  I guess I do have some man pages.  The New Desktop in DecWindowsM imports a bunch of man pages and a man viewer, buried deep out of site.  Ugh!oE The pages are useless until you discover the viewer, due to the sorry J way the highlighted text is formatted.  Probably another one of those unix
 "standards".)    -- 0 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:06:28 -07001; From: Paul Anderson <pandersonNOpaSPAM@genicom.com.invalid>m- Subject: Re: DCPS woes / Tektronix Phaser 850y9 Message-ID: <225b682b.1a8af29a@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com>e   Ken Fairfield wrote:  6 > As Paul Anderson of GENICOM is quicl to point out...  8 As of yesterday, that's Paul Anderson of _Compaq_.  DCPS& Engineering has moved "back" to the Q.   Robert Deininger wrote:   < > In case anyone is keeping score, version 1.7 did NOT help.  @ Try looking at the DCPS V1.8 Release Notes.  (Yes, DCPS V1.8 wasA released on July 19 and should be appearing on the next Alpha andL9 VAX CDs.)  Contact me offline if you want a copy of them.o   Paul   --"    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering*    Compaq Computer Corporation, Gardner MA;    (please use the 'panderson@genicom.com' address for now)b      ; -----------------------------------------------------------   7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!  http://www.keen.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:46:20 -0400i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: DCPS woes / Tektronix Phaser 850.L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0108002146200001@user-2ive6dh.dialup.mindspring.com>  v In article <225b682b.1a8af29a@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com>, Paul Anderson <pandersonNOpaSPAM@genicom.com.invalid> wrote:  : > As of yesterday, that's Paul Anderson of _Compaq_.  DCPS( > Engineering has moved "back" to the Q.  + Congratulations.  This is good news, right?a  ; Shudder!  It might have been Computer Associates.  Shudder!r   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:45:16 +0200. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>; Subject: Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on?M, Message-ID: <8m75sg$fi5$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  8 Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message" news:39870262.FDBED88@bbc.co.uk... > H > Does anyone know what TCP/IP port the DECW$FD listens for requests on?  J I would expect port 7000, which is the default  font server port accordingJ to "Xlib Programming Manual" (not a DECWindows book). You can find out for sure by saying   $ ucx sh dev  " which will give you something like  =                             Port                       RemoteH< Device_socket  Type    Local  Remote  Service           Host  >   bg3         STREAM     512       0  REXEC            0.0.0.0>   bg4         STREAM     513       0  RLOGIN           0.0.0.0>   bg5         STREAM      23       0  TELNET           0.0.0.0>   bg7         STREAM    6000       0                   0.0.0.0  J which (in this example) shows, that some server is listening on local portK 6000 using socket name bg7 (this is usually the X-server - please bear withn' me, that I don't have DECW$FD started).l   You can then say (for example)   $ sh dev bg7:/full  E Device BG7:, device type unknown, is online, mounted, record-orientedc device, #     network device, mailbox device.h  <     Error count                    0    Operations completed 2h1     Owner process    "DECW$SERVER_0"    Owner UIC  [SYSTEM]0     Owner process ID        00000097    Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPL ;     Reference count                1    Default buffer size  256-  J which shows, that device BG7: is in fact owned by the X-server. You shouldK in a similar way be able to figure out, which port DECW$FD is listening on.s  K Next step, if this does not resolve the problem, could be to use TCPIPTRACE3J (or TCPTRACE) to figure out, why the XVision connection attempt fails. Try  G $ TCPIPTRACE <XVision node IP address>/output=<some file>/packet=<largem number>u  ! and retry the connection attempt.e       Best regards     Jesper Naurl   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2000 16:54:08 -0500o2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg); Subject: Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on?i+ Message-ID: <0mAemgwoQ81v@eisner.decus.org>h  6 In article <39870262.FDBED88@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn-  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.unitedkingdom> writes:I >  v: > I am trying to serve fonts from VMS 7.1 Decwindows Motif< > 1.2-4, to my SCO XVision desktop, to resolve some annoying8 > problems with Monitor system for some terminal widths. <snip>; > Does anyone know what TCP/IP port the DECW$FD listens foro > requests on?  ) It is listening on the LAT protocol only.u  ; AFAIK only VXT series X-Terminals can use it, and they only 9 need one running in a network.  Enabling the LAT protocol 7 for X-11 on an OpenVMS system always seems to start thec DECW$FD process though.   ; > Any other help resolving this issue would be appreciated.t; > I'd rather not move the fonts onto the PC as indicated in  > another thread.e  > Some third party X-11 Servers use to have font server software9 for VAX/VMS.  IIRC: It was vendor specific, as the nativeS8 font format for OpenVMS/VAX is not in a portable format.  8 I am unaware of any program that can serve fonts from an5 OpenVMS host to a generic X-11 server through TCP/IP.o   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:24:34 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>r; Subject: Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on? / Message-ID: <3987552A.590E0BC0@wasd.vsm.com.au>a   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:   8 > In article <39870262.FDBED88@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn/ >  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.unitedkingdom> writes:s > >n< > > I am trying to serve fonts from VMS 7.1 Decwindows Motif> > > 1.2-4, to my SCO XVision desktop, to resolve some annoying: > > problems with Monitor system for some terminal widths. > <snip>= > > Does anyone know what TCP/IP port the DECW$FD listens for  > > requests on?  
 8< snip 8<  : > I am unaware of any program that can serve fonts from an7 > OpenVMS host to a generic X-11 server through TCP/IP.d >e > -Johno > wb8tyw@qsl.network  H Having recently required X Font Services for TCP/IP-based Xterms we knowF at least DECW Motif 1.2-5 has such a facility ... if only we could getA it to keep working.  There is currently a call in on it with CSC!o  = Have a look in SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTSERVER.COM for DECW$XFS.k   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:26:15 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>n; Subject: Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on?j/ Message-ID: <3987558F.5FD2CBBF@wasd.vsm.com.au>t   Woops ... it's port 7100.    Mark Daniel wrote:   > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  >v: > > In article <39870262.FDBED88@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn1 > >  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.unitedkingdom> writes:  > > >i> > > > I am trying to serve fonts from VMS 7.1 Decwindows Motif@ > > > 1.2-4, to my SCO XVision desktop, to resolve some annoying< > > > problems with Monitor system for some terminal widths.
 > > <snip>? > > > Does anyone know what TCP/IP port the DECW$FD listens foro > > > requests on? >t > 8< snip 8< >p< > > I am unaware of any program that can serve fonts from an9 > > OpenVMS host to a generic X-11 server through TCP/IP.o > > 	 > > -John- > > wb8tyw@qsl.network > J > Having recently required X Font Services for TCP/IP-based Xterms we knowH > at least DECW Motif 1.2-5 has such a facility ... if only we could getC > it to keep working.  There is currently a call in on it with CSC!n >s? > Have a look in SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTSERVER.COM for DECW$XFS.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:24:53 -0600& From: "Gene Homan" <homang@pcisys.net>/ Subject: How to convert VMS ascii files to UNIXs/ Message-ID: <sof55h1udbm111@corp.supernews.com>e  I Does anyone know what the end of line character is in VMS or, better yet,aF if there is a utility (preferably that runs on Solaris, Linux, etc) to+ convert VMS ascii txt files to UNIX format?a  J Please email me directly at homang@pcisys.net as I have little oppurtunity to cruise this newsgroup.    Thanks, 
 Gene Homan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 03:46:14 GMTa7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>m3 Subject: Re: How to convert VMS ascii files to UNIXv- Message-ID: <398799ED.6F4D7B53@earthlink.net>    Gene Homan wrote:e > ; > Does anyone know what the end of line character is in VMSw  H There is none. In an RMS sequential file, the records are preceeded by aE two-byte (unsigned word integer) length attribute. If you are reading=C the file on UN*X, and the file was transferred as binary, you'll tos) process it by using the length attribute.t   > or, better yet,bH > if there is a utility (preferably that runs on Solaris, Linux, etc) to- > convert VMS ascii txt files to UNIX format?o  H There are some programs you can find in the free/share-ware world on the' 'net, but you'll need to fish for them.t  E If you can, try transferring the file(s) to your non-VMS system using B the correct transfer method (ASCII), whether that's FTP, Kermit or	 whatever.h   --   David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:05:07 -0400 (EDT)w# From: GEMSTRS <gemstrs@gemstrs.com>  Subject: How's it Going-4 Message-ID: <419.436739.87710926gemstrs@gemstrs.com>  # Do You Want a $600 Pay Raise Today?   + Little Known Secret to increases your take-w& home pay up to $600/mo.- IRS compliant   "As Seen On Oprah"  . For Details, Call Now  3min. toll-free message   1-888-305-0147   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:26:55 +1200a- From: Raji Arulambalam <rajia@envbop.govt.nz>  Subject: HTML Convertora@ Message-ID: <F15BB07EE56ED211855600A0C913B9313E8575@apollo.ebop>  	 Greetingso  L Does anyone know of a simple DCL command file that will convert a given textK file into a basic html  page ready for the web. No fancy tags are required,r9 I have a large number of text files that need converting.n   Any help would be appreciated.   TIA - ---------------------------------------------r   Raji Arulambalam       n   Systems Administrator      t!   Bay of Plenty REGIONAL Council     P O Box 364 Whakatane.   NEW ZEALAND   3   Phone: 0800 ENV BOP (0800 368 267) +64 7 921 3390t4   Fax:    0800 ENV FAX (0800 368 329) +64 7 921 3393   http://envbop.govt.nzf3 The Rules Have Changed...Get Paid to Surf the Web! n0 http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=LJG413 , --------------------------------------------% Is it possible to be totally partial?       6 ******************************************************F This e-mail has been checked for viruses and no viruses were detected.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:34:23 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>= Subject: Re: HTML Convertor=( Message-ID: <398788AF.1AEA7C3F@mmaz.com>   Raji Arulambalam wrote:e   > Greetings@ >pN > Does anyone know of a simple DCL command file that will convert a given textM > file into a basic html  page ready for the web. No fancy tags are required,0; > I have a large number of text files that need converting.   K What ever the existing text file is, if you prefix the contents of the filet with:    <html><body><pre>s   and then suffix the file with:   </pre></body></html>  G You'll get the basic results you seek.  How you do that is left to yourrL imagination, but it can be done through a DCL procedure, by creating two tagJ files taht contain the beginning and ending tags and then using the APPENDM append to create a new, merged file, or you can even convert the file to PDF, 5 which is what I ended up doing for various reasons...u   Barry      --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO0  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:20:16 +1000/ From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au>  Subject: Re: HTML Convertor-3 Message-ID: <RbOh5.65617$N4.1852457@ozemail.com.au>b  ) The utility asctohtm is available for vms   ' http://www.yrl.co.uk/~jaf/asc2html.htmlo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:10:40 -0500, From: ikyr@ix.netcom.comC Subject: It's easy to determine how a computer is used and save $10r5 Message-ID: <2qit6gx7gn4.0u623pgm0v0@computercop.com>-      -/    >DO YOU WONDER HOW A COMPUTER IS BEING USED?0(    >HOW ARE OTHERS USING YOUR COMPUTERS?-    >ARE YOUR LOVED ONES SAFE ON THE INTERNET?U+    >HOW IS YOUR STAFF USING YOUR COMPUTERS?u  < ComputerCOP, as seen on 'AMERICA'S MOST WANTED', is designed: to simply allow you to monitor computer usage. ComputerCOPA automatically runs when the CD is inserted into the Computer's CDtE drawer. The software then scans the computer for all files containing B potentially objectionable words or phrases that match those in the software's built-in dictionary.t   ComputerCOP will detect:.    >PORNOGRAPHIC, OR VIOLENT WORDS OR PICTURES9    >PICTURES OR WORDS PROMOTING DRUG USE OR PARAPHERNALIA     >INTERNET LIAISONSh:    >INDICATIONS OF ADULTERY OR OTHER MISCHIEVOUS BEHAVIORS4    >INSTRUCTIONS ON CRIMINAL SKILLS LIKE BOMB MAKING!    >INTERNET GAMBLING INFORMATIONi   SAVE $10 OFF RETAIL STORE PRICE.I Order a copy for $9.95 +  shipping, in an unmarked envelope, and handlingL.                             CALL 800-210-4209    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:03:25 -0400e2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>- Subject: LAT node name change - documentationo7 Message-ID: <200008011703_MC2-AE41-C9A5@compuserve.com>a  J         When you install TCP/IP Services these days, you are asked if you=  G want to create a "TCP/IP cluster" or words to that effect.   I've never.J said yes and I don't know how to do it by hand, without reading TFM, but = Iv; think that it does  what you want  and can be found in TFM.n  ( Message text written by "Russell Leathe"H >We have a cluster of three Alpha 1200's.  snoopy (boot node), linus and charlie (satelite nodes).   D After installing the LAT service the default service is node Snoopy.J I would like to change this to Peanuts.  Does anyone one know the steps t= ou8 accomplish this?  Unfortunately I have no documentation.; I assume I would create another service called "peanuts" ?<t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:36:58 -0500/ From: "Dwight Brooks" <dbrooks@prosoftauto.com>i1 Subject: Re: LAT node name change - documentationi: Message-ID: <8m7qit$2rrq$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>  I These commands setup a TCP/IP alias and an alias/virtual LAT service on an 2-node cluster.r> If you want all nodes to respond to the IP alias, take out the /cluster_timer line.K On LAT, you can create the service on each node that you want to respond top that virtual LAT service.c  ! ZE0 is a H/W dependent interface.s  9 $!      UCX 4.2....Enable IP Cluster alias connections...  $!' $ ucx set interface ze0 /cluster=(AVAX)a) $ ucx set communication /cluster_timer= 0a $!2 $!      Define the AVAX Cluster-wide LAT service.. $! $ lcp:== $LATCP  $ lcp create service EMCVAXm  / Now, these lines DISABLE those cluster aliases.h   $!/ $!      Disable IP Cluster alias connections...i $!" $ ucx set interface ze0 /nocluster $!& $!      Delete the AVAX LAT service... $! $ lcp:== $LATCPr $ lcp delete service AVAXU  3 "Russell Leathe" <russ@gordon.edu> wrote in messagel news:JwAh5.10$5t1.200@client...sI > We have a cluster of three Alpha 1200's.  snoopy (boot node), linus andu > charlie (satelite nodes)., >dF > After installing the LAT service the default service is node Snoopy.L > I would like to change this to Peanuts.  Does anyone one know the steps to: > accomplish this?  Unfortunately I have no documentation.< > I assume I would create another service called "peanuts" ? >e >e > best regards,s >t > russ >u >g >X >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:30:27 +1200 9 From: Malcolm Smeaton <m.smeaton@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz>o Subject: LDAP SDK for VMSe4 Message-ID: <39876BA3.EBC587F3@its.canterbury.ac.nz>  E I'm looking for information on how to access an ldap directory server 	 from VMS.   $ Any suggestions gratefully accepted.   -- i Regardss Malcolmo  2 Malcolm C Smeaton, Information Technology ServicesE University of Canterbury, Private Bag 4800, Christchurch, New Zealandc Phone:  64-3-364-2333R Fax:    64-3-364-2332x& Email:  m.smeaton@its.canterbury.ac.nz   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2000 23:49:15 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)r Subject: Re: LDAP SDK for VMSo+ Message-ID: <wNqlW$CJrP7j@eisner.decus.org>   p In article <39876BA3.EBC587F3@its.canterbury.ac.nz>, Malcolm Smeaton <m.smeaton@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz> writes:G > I'm looking for information on how to access an ldap directory servern > from VMS.p  C Either buy the shipping product from Innosoft, giving the advantagenC of a tested product but the disadvantage of a vendor just bought by 1 Sun, with perhaps no long-term interest in VMS...a  D ...or spend $39 (I think) on the VMS V7.3 SDK which contains an LDAPA client as a bundled layered product, giving the disadvantage of a 7 new package but the advantage of a more certain future.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:32:49 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>) Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99R5 Message-ID: <RtGh5.323$mO3.77397@typhoon.aracnet.com>n  . Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:N >  Some, including myself, have censored newsfeeds that do not include vmsnet.X > I havn't been able to get it since the restructured the news server over the new year.  L I'm not sure how you get your net access, but here in the US I had to ask myK current ISP to specifically add the vmsnet.* hierachy to the list of groupso% they get.  You might give that a try.i   			Zanei   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:05:59 GMTg2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>) Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99t5 Message-ID: <XYGh5.329$mO3.77862@typhoon.aracnet.com>$  + David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:lR > AS for the Island ads, I'd view normal ads and what are basically give-aways forO > hobby systems differently.  Regardless of any rules, I'd feel that the lattereP > should be Ok.  Many reasons.  One, a potential hobbyist probably isn't looking& > at the 'commercial' sites/lists/???.  J Speaking as a Hobbyist and knowing some of the other hobbyists in my area,J I've got to disagree with the not looking at commercial sites/lists.  Just: depends on how serious of a Hobbyist you are I guess :^)    H I like seeing Islands Hobbyist targeted adds, but I'm more interested inH their other ones.  After all if I'm going with a system that slow it had better be Q-Bus based!   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:04:53 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger): Subject: Re: Mlucas performance probelm - need expert helpL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0108002204530001@user-2ive6dh.dialup.mindspring.com>   In article <y4k8e7sf8v.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:   O > A matching colour is one which has the same bits in both virtual and physicalo > address were it matters... > I > So, a page is 8KB, that's 13 bits of address, IIANM. Let's say you have0N > a 2 MB external cache, and it's direct-mapped, then you would have 2MB/8KB =5 > 256 colours. Insert fitting numbers as appropriate.a  7 I'm afraid I've forgotten too much of my cache-ology.     C Right now I have 1 color.  256 seems like a lot, but I don't really 1 know what is the correct ruler to measure this.  b  I In your example, there can be 256 pages in cache at once.  If I allow 256nN colors, and have 256 consecutive virtual pages in my working set, is VMS goingG to put each virtual page in the correct physical page so that there aree no cache conflicts?   J What if I allow only 128 pages?  Then one of the "bits that matters" isn'tE colored.  Does that mean that half my pages may have a cache conflictR with the other half?  J But wait a second.  I didn't think the external cache worked in page-sizedG chunks.  I assumed it was caching much smaller pieces, but I don't knowb9 that I ever found the precise scheme documented anywhere.f  C I'm getting more confused.  Time to use up some more scratch paper.    -- l Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:29:39 -0400- From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@golden.net>i Subject: MOP thru firewall VPN, Message-ID: <8m84jo$e87$1@cougar.golden.net>  I Our company is looking replacing our current 56kbs frame network WAN to aoL SDSL link over the internet using VPN.  At our remote sites (being not thoseL where main CPU are located) have DecServer 90TL that we use telnet printing.H However these devices do not have flash cards and require software to beL loaded over the WAN.  Currently we use Digitial RouteAbout Access EI routersI connected thru the serial port connected to the CSU/DSU modems from AT&T.nI In order to get MOP to work on these routers we had to enable the DEC MOPnJ filter hex 6000 to be encapsulated over the IP for the actual MOP requrestH packet to get thru.  Once that was done our Terminal servers could load.  K The current proposal that we have is to use as I said SDSL and VPN over theuG internet.  The firewall / router is provided using a GNAT box software.-J Does anyone know if MOP can be delivered over such a config or where I can5 get better info on MOP and how to configure this way.   I If this is not possible, do these terminal servers talk TFTP.  If they dorL than I guess it would be possible to setup TFTP server process on our remoteF location NT servers and the terminal could load locally within its own+ subnet.  Has anyone done this and if so howw   Thanks in advanceE   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 00 16:08:13 EDTa From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu  Subject: Re: NetWare NDS and VMS/ Message-ID: <3MpBNW4XCpau@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>h  X In article <3986F05E.1AB38D3F@rtfmcsi.com>, Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes: > Tom - News wrote:C > F >> Is there a way to administer a NetWare NDS tree from VMS like I can: >> administer an NT domain from VMS using Advanced Server? >> >> --S >> Thomas SteuverS >> steuver@nku.edu > F > Not that I'm aware of.  The last time anything even remotely NetWareD > related ran on OpenVMS was the Leverage Host Services product thatI > emulated a NetWare 3.0 server and was based on the Portable NetWare 386BF > source code.  I have not heard of any products that involved NDS and
 > OpenVMS. > F > I'd just like to have the ability to do external authentication fromB > OpenVMS against a NDS tree.  Or, have the $GETUAI/$SETUIA systemE > services be re-directed against NDS in the same way that NDS for NT F > works by replacing SAMSRV.DLL and re-directing all NT authenticationI > against NDS.  This would be the cat's meow for integrating OpenVMS intoyA > a single-signon environment.  I could then do all of my accountoI > administration directly through NDS and never actually have to login onn> > my OpenVMS systems to add user accounts or change passwords.  K Well, there are packages out there which let you authenticate VMS login viadB RADIUS (See www.RADIUSVMS.com).  I believe an NDS RADIUS server isH available.  We went further and modified PMDF using SASL and RADIUS, andJ OSU's HTTP server to be able to call RADIUS.  Only things which don't makeH the appropriate calls are the DECwindows screen lock, and Multinet FTP. H FTP will work if you logged in first via one of the others (which updateH the hash in SYSUAF) so long as there aren't spaces in the password.  TheK screen saver has the additional caveat that you can't use lowercase letters  in the external password.t  D If you are willing to limit your NDS entries to the VMS account nameI limits, what you want is doable.  We were integrating with UNIX/Kerberos,i5 so we had to limit VMS to the UNIX 8 character stuff.y   >  >  > Chuckw > --
 > Chuck Chopp  > : > ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com2 >                                   ICQ # 22321532B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax6 > Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerE >                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.come >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:14:19 -0500/ From: "Dwight Brooks" <dbrooks@prosoftauto.com>X Subject: NTP Server on UCX 4.29 Message-ID: <8m7p8q$uuo$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>u  9 Does anyone know the commands to put into UCX$NTP.CONF tol, make a VAX a time server (for an NT client)?. The UCX documentation is less than insightful.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:19:31 -0500 * From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net>" Subject: Re: NTP Server on UCX 4.2, Message-ID: <39878533.99EE4A51@usfamily.net>   Dwight Brooks wrote: > ; > Does anyone know the commands to put into UCX$NTP.CONF to-. > make a VAX a time server (for an NT client)?0 > The UCX documentation is less than insightful.  @ Find the line with "peer xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" and add the ip address3 of the ntp master you want to sync with ie. replacew$ xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx with a real address.   start ntp with...o @ucx$ntpstartup   @ Now your NT computer can specify the VMS machine's ip address as an ntp peer. This works well at my site.e   -- u Keith Browne kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:25:20 GMTe+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com>-% Subject: Re: Power Supply for DEC30000) Message-ID: <8m786o$abf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  4 In article <89kh5.217$SSb8.1507492@news.xtra.co.nz>,2   "Jason Irons" <jason.irons@telecom.co.nz> wrote:  G > I have a DEC3000 with a dead power supply. The power connector on thel< > motherboard looks the same as one for an ATX power supply. >eG > Does anyone know if an standard ATX power supply can be used to powerh an
 > DEC3000.  D You'll need to tell us which model DEC3000. /300, /600, etc., as the PSUs are quite different.a  E I have a similar need/possible solution for a 3000/300LX, but lookingEF at a working one, there seem to be additional voltages (feedbacks?) to( the ones stated on the PSU (+5/+12/-12).   Chris   F BTW, hardware questions are best directed to comp.sys.dec, but you are% quite likely to get answers here too.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:18:29 GMTy From: defdannyd@my-deja.com*, Subject: PPL semaphore prolem on OpenVMS 6.2) Message-ID: <8m7st2$q08$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n  . I am writing an application on OpenVMS 6.2 and/ have run across a bizarre problem using the PPLe+ routines for creating and using semaphores.=1 Briefly, if I create more than one semaphore, allA, the ones beyond the first one never "signal"/ effectively, i.e. they seem to accept that theyi! are being signalled (as shown viav. ppl$read_semaphore) but any threads waiting on0 that semaphore never wake up on that signal. Has0 anyone ever heard of such a problem with the PPL1 semaphores? Posix semaphores are not an option oni1 the system we have running, at least I can't findh- them anywhere. Below is a sample program thatt, demonstrates the problem (unbuildable due to0 depnedencies on other local modules, but I think0 the code demonstrates the issue clearly enough);+ in the sample thread2 never wakes up on thet semaphore. Thanks in advance...    Dan Cochrans       #include "portable.h"a #include <iostream.h>o #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h>  #include <string.h>  #include <pthread.h> #include <time.h>  #include <unistd.h>a   void* func1(void* arg);e void* func2(void* arg);0   ECastSem sem1; ECastSem sem2;   int main(int argc, char** argv)c {  	pthread_t thr1; 	pthread_t thr2; 	int rc;    struct timespec tSleepTime;   	rc = ECastCreateSemaphore (&sem1,"sem1",0,10,0); 	rc = ECastCreateSemaphore (&sem2,"sem2",0,10,0);   	rc = pthread_create0 (&thr1,pthread_attr_default,func1,(void *)NULL); 	rc = pthread_create0 (&thr2,pthread_attr_default,func2,(void *)NULL);  % 	cout << "main: going to sleep before  signalling" << endl;    tSleepTime.tv_sec = 6;e    tSleepTime.tv_nsec = 1000;a 	pthread_delay_np(&tSleepTime);x  # 	cout << "main: woke up, signalling  semaphore" << endl; " 	rc = ECastSignalSemaphore(&sem1);" 	rc = ECastSignalSemaphore(&sem2);  ( 	cout << "main: signalled, going back to sleep" << endl;Y    tSleepTime.tv_sec = 6;E    tSleepTime.tv_nsec = 1000;  	pthread_delay_np(&tSleepTime);n  * 	cout << "main: woke up, exiting" << endl; 	pthread_join(thr1,NULL);a 	pthread_join(thr2,NULL);e
 	return 0; }o   void* func1(void* arg) {t 	int rc;  + 	cout << "func1: blocking on sem1" << endl;o  	rc = ECastWaitSemaphore(&sem1);  & 	cout << "func1: got sem1, exiting" << endl;i   	pthread_exit((void*)1); 	return (void*)1;> }N   void* func2(void* arg) {  	int rc;  + 	cout << "func2: blocking on sem2" << endl;A  	rc = ECastWaitSemaphore(&sem2);  & 	cout << "func2: got sem2, exiting" << endl;S   	pthread_exit((void*)2); 	return (void*)2;  }E    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.O   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 06:30:23 GMTn- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) 0 Subject: Re: PPL semaphore prolem on OpenVMS 6.25 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-8xpREjSV2LQr@localhost>e  9 On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:18:29, defdannyd@my-deja.com wrote::  0 > I am writing an application on OpenVMS 6.2 and1 > have run across a bizarre problem using the PPL - > routines for creating and using semaphores.,3 > Briefly, if I create more than one semaphore, allu. > the ones beyond the first one never "signal"1 > effectively, i.e. they seem to accept that theyu# > are being signalled (as shown viai0 > ppl$read_semaphore) but any threads waiting on2 > that semaphore never wake up on that signal. Has2 > anyone ever heard of such a problem with the PPL3 > semaphores? Posix semaphores are not an option ont3 > the system we have running, at least I can't findo/ > them anywhere. Below is a sample program thate. > demonstrates the problem (unbuildable due to2 > depnedencies on other local modules, but I think2 > the code demonstrates the issue clearly enough);- > in the sample thread2 never wakes up on theu! > semaphore. Thanks in advance...  >  Hi Dan  B I don't know if its an issue with PPL semaphores (I've never used @ them) but with my CMA threaded app under 6.2, I have to be very F careful to manage the relationship between Process Wait states , as inB $QIOW and thread wait states. The QIO Wait will block the process C until the QIO is complete even if there is another thread ready to aC run. (The latter is a simplified statement that does not take into l@ account any AST's generated by the  threading mechanism itself.)  = I get around it by doing a non-blocking QIO that specifies a nD completion AST that, in turn, is programmed to satisfy the _thread_ 2 wait state that I enter after issuing said QIO. :-      Main Thread 	Issue QIO with Completion AST 	Enter Thread-Wait on Cond	 	Continueo      Completion AST  	Satisfy Main Thread-Wait Cond 	Exitc  B Does that make sense? Maybe there is a comparable issue with your  sempahores.   F I understand that VMS 7.1 kernel-thread support obviates this problem.   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:35:23 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>( Subject: Quality( Message-ID: <8m78nf$pdu$1@pyrite.mv.net>  K MuLP (you know if you know him) lent me a copy of the new (second?) edition F of The Innovator's Dilemma after Stan Rabinowitz's last 'first Monday'E dinner, and I'm just reaching the end of it - and found it well worthu reading.  L But near the beginning of Chapter 9, I hit a paragraph which resonated aboutJ why VMS is under-appreciated by the market (and likely will continue to be> unless Compaq does something fairly dramatic - well beyond any currently-public plans):  D 'The performance oversupply framework' [the situation when a productI provides more performance along some metric than the market requires - as L VMS can easily be considered to do in multiple areas] 'may help consultants,D managers, and researchers to understand the frustrated comments theyF regularly hear from salespeople beaten down in price negotiations withJ customers:  "Those stupid guys are just treating our product like it was aB commodity.  Can't they see how much better our product is than theK competition's?"  It may, in fact, be the case that the product offerings ofoK competitors in a market continue to be differentiated from each other.  ButFJ differentiation loses its meaning when the features and functionality have" exceeded what the market demands.'  K In other words, good enough is good enough - at least for the vast majoritysF of the product-purchasing world (which does not include Dave Froble, aL perhaps noble but definitely atypical voice in the wilderness).  This is notE a central theme of the book:  it's just a late comment reflecting oneDH tangential aspect of the patterns of product development/acceptance thatL have been demonstrated throughout the book by case studies (several of whichI include the computer industry).  But it has a lot of relevance to many ofrG the sentiments expressed in comp.os.vms - especially as long as VMS has1A familiarity and acceptance barriers to use that the 'good enough't alternatives do not have.m   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:07:30 -0500 - From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>  Subject: Re: Quality. Message-ID: <39873C12.52F801F8@fsi.net.mapson>   Bill Todd wrote: > [snip]M > In other words, good enough is good enough - at least for the vast majorityh, > of the product-purchasing world ... [snip]  B If that is true, according to the author, then how does the author@ suggest that one emphasize the benefits of one's product vs. the competition's? h  : If the author does not say, then what would you recommend?  
 For Examples:X   Ford Vs. Chevy   Mercury Vs. Buick$   Lincoln Vs. Cadillac   Compaq Vs. Dello   Compaq Vs. Gateway   Dell Vs. Gateway   Pentium Vs. Xeon  
 AMD Vs. Intela  
 Cyrix Vs. AMD    Cyrix Vs. Intel.   Linux Vs. Commercial UN*Xd   StorageWorks Vs. EMC   DLT Vs. 8mm    Cable-TV Vs. Satellite   S-VHS Vs. LaserDiscy  " Stereo Vs. Monaural (or monocular)   Miller Vs. Budweiser   Lucky Strike Vs. Marlborog  A People choose what they choose for a reason. The key to marketinghE (there's that WORD again!) is finding the market's "hot" buttons, ando pressing them expertly.e   ---  David J. Dachteras   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:15:32 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>h Subject: Re: Quality( Message-ID: <8m83m9$h89$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> wrote in message( news:39873C12.52F801F8@fsi.net.mapson... > Bill Todd wrote:
 > > [snip]F > > In other words, good enough is good enough - at least for the vast majority. > > of the product-purchasing world ... [snip] ><D > If that is true, according to the author, then how does the authorB > suggest that one emphasize the benefits of one's product vs. the > competition's?  F The point is that it doesn't much matter what you do, or what relativeH benefits your product has, if the market has decided that those benefitsK aren't important to it (i.e., that the lesser features that the rest of theeD competition offers are perfectly adequate to meet the demands of theC market's use):  that's pretty much the *definition* of a commodity.    > < > If the author does not say, then what would you recommend?  L I'd recommend (as I already have) that VMS spend less time patting itself onJ the back for advantages most of the market doesn't value all that much andL more effort shoring up those areas (familiarity to users and support people,L application availability, etc. - the usual suspects) the market perceives itI deficient in compared to its competition (which prevent it from competingnJ effectively even as a commodity, thus drastically restricting its audience: and contributing to the impression that it's fading away).   >t > For Examples:d >  > Ford Vs. Chevy  F Commodities purchased primarily on price and convenience of dealershipK location (is there really any brand loyalty any more except among old fartsu8 who can remember when it might have actually mattered?).   >D > Mercury Vs. Buickm  5 Commodities including a smidgeon of perceived status.    >1 > Lincoln Vs. Cadillac  A Commodities including an additional smidgeon of perceived status.i   >l > Compaq Vs. Dell8   Commodities purchased on price.u   >p > Compaq Vs. Gateway  H Commodities purchased on price (Gateway does business-level service now,J doesn't it?  otherwise, businesses might choose Compaq or Dell for service availability).   >h > Dell Vs. Gateway   Same as previous item.   >o > Pentium Vs. Xeon  L A few real feature differences for the rare systems that care (everyone else couldn't care less about Xeon).c   >h > AMD Vs. Intelt   Commodities purchased on price.o   >T > Cyrix Vs. AMDe  J Commodities purchased on price (or price/performance when more performanceI than Cyrix can provide would be useful).  Of course, the possibility thathJ Cyrix isn't a viable company may also influence purchases, but PCs usuallyK have such a short half-life that most people may not worry much about that.f   >l > Cyrix Vs. Inteld   Same as above.   >t > Linux Vs. Commercial UN*XO  B Various feature differences of some significance (plus application availability).   >f > StorageWorks Vs. EMC  F Differences in price, level of hand-holding, and expertise in specificG areas.  I do have difficulty calling storage systems costing 30x - 100xeL times the cost of the raw storage 'commodities', but in some senses they are close.   >n
 > DLT Vs. 8mm   E Commodity functions but with noticeable differences in entry cost andeA performance (IIRC - I don't pay much attention to tape nowadays).R   >t > Cable-TV Vs. Satellite  K Commodities with price/performance differences (and availability - e.g., ins rural areas - for cable).h   >t > S-VHS Vs. LaserDisco  0 I don't have a clue, since neither interests me.   >e$ > Stereo Vs. Monaural (or monocular)   Application-dependent.   >M > Miller Vs. Budweiser  $ Taste (some people might add image).   >n > Lucky Strike Vs. Marlboroa  K Taste (I used to be a smoker:  taste was definitely what I cared about, notw image).v   > . > People choose what they choose for a reason.  G And *by definition* for commodities that reason is unrelated to producta differences.    The key to marketingvG > (there's that WORD again!) is finding the market's "hot" buttons, ande > pressing them expertly.   I Your faith in marketing could be considered touchingly naive - especiallybJ when applied to volume purchases by business people rather than Joe SchmoeL off the street (who may well have a definite preference for Chevy vs. Ford -H but even then usually only if they're effectively otherwise identical in* price, features, purchase convenience...).  D Marketing is necessary.  But it can't make up for much in the way ofF pricing, convenience, or product deficiencies that the market views asL significant:  only among roughly equally acceptable products is it likely to% be decisive, and often not even then.l   - bill   >I > ---e > David J. Dachteraw   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:04:26 GMTe7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>e Subject: Re: Quality- Message-ID: <39879E0D.3B7A5ED3@earthlink.net>F   Bill Todd wrote: > : > SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> wrote in message* > news:39873C12.52F801F8@fsi.net.mapson...
 > > [snip] > >d> > > If the author does not say, then what would you recommend? > N > I'd recommend (as I already have) that VMS spend less time patting itself onL > the back for advantages most of the market doesn't value all that much andN > more effort shoring up those areas (familiarity to users and support people,N > application availability, etc. - the usual suspects) the market perceives itK > deficient in compared to its competition (which prevent it from competing L > effectively even as a commodity, thus drastically restricting its audience< > and contributing to the impression that it's fading away).  ) And you would suggest doing that ... how?g  " Again, be specific, cite examples.   >  > >  The key to marketingoI > > (there's that WORD again!) is finding the market's "hot" buttons, and: > > pressing them expertly.s > @ > Your faith in marketing could be considered touchingly naive -  ; ...if supported by everyday practice in the market place...n   > especiallyL > when applied to volume purchases by business people rather than Joe SchmoeN > off the street (who may well have a definite preference for Chevy vs. Ford -J > but even then usually only if they're effectively otherwise identical in, > price, features, purchase convenience...).  G "Poeple" make choices for specific reasons, usually reasons specific to C individuals, but common in the market place. "Business people" makee# choices for another set of reasons.t  F It is important to remember that there is a VERY large overlap betweenE those two sets. They are not identical, but they are greatly similar.a  tF > Marketing is necessary.  But it can't make up for much in the way ofH > pricing, convenience, or product deficiencies that the market views asN > significant:  only among roughly equally acceptable products is it likely to' > be decisive, and often not even then.-  B How did CD's gain acceptance in the face of phonographs which were common before then?s  G How did SUVs gain acceptance in the face of cheap, fuel efficient cars?8  & Ask any salescritter worth their salt.  H I'm sure you've heard about, "the guy who could ice cubes to an eskimo". It's all in the marketing...   -- 0 David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2000 17:41:04 -0500 * From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)! Subject: Re: Re-initing DLT tapese+ Message-ID: <aZMjGyYtfEvD@eisner.decus.org>o  l In article <8m4ta4$84u$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes: > Ever hear of this? > N > Can't use DLT tapes that were inited on one system (say WNT) on another (say > VMS); re-inited of course. > I > I will experiment with this, but wondered what others have to say aboutb > this.-  I If I remember correctly, tapes initially inited on NT will be have to be eH inited with /OVER=(EXP) on VMS.  I had the same problem, since we have aG big pool of tapes to recycle, you never know if it originally came frome NT, Unix or VMS.  E I've also found that tapes initially used on a DLT7000 will cause thes@ "use cleaning tape" light to come on if put in a DLT4000.  After+ initing on the 4000, the light will go off.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:37:29 -0400a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)! Subject: Re: Re-initing DLT tapes L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0108002137290001@user-2ive6dh.dialup.mindspring.com>  R In article <aZMjGyYtfEvD@eisner.decus.org>, kuhrt@eisner.lessspam.decus.org wrote:    G > I've also found that tapes initially used on a DLT7000 will cause theeB > "use cleaning tape" light to come on if put in a DLT4000.  After- > initing on the 4000, the light will go off.a  C All in all, I find the "use cleaning tape" light on the DLT4000 canTG be a number of things other than what it says.  It might mean "the dooruE didn't shut all the way and I grabbed the tape slightly askew, pleasetB load it again".  Sometimes it means, "Brr, that tape just came outE of a room with a really good air conditioner, would you please let itsG warm up and then try again".  There seem to be lots of ways to make thet/ light go off, other than using a cleaning tape.p   -- e Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:50:36 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>) Subject: Re: SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut.25 Message-ID: <M7Lh5.348$mO3.80594@typhoon.aracnet.com>"  7 In comp.os.vms John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:e
 > SAMBA12.  ' > Samba is not starting after a reboot?h  ; >     You must make sure that SAMBA_STARTUP.COM is executedl* >     the TCPIP$STARTUP.COM or equivalent.  7 >     Also for TCPIP or (Substitute UCX if needed) makec; >     sure that the last statement in the SAMBA_STARTUP.COMt >     has the line:E  $ >         $TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE SMBD  9 >     It appears to be needed because some of the logicalg: >     names used in the service definition are not defined+ >     at the time the TCPIP$STARTUP is run.r$ >     [from a post by Jeff Campbell]  9 >     It appears that the INSTALL.COM routine supplied by 7 >     SAMBA 2.0.3 is needed to be run to set up logicale8 >     names that are needed.  It may be needed to be run* >     before the TCPIP program is started.$ >     [From a post by Zane H. Healy]    L I think you got this last part that is attributed to me wrong.  The problem K that I'd posted about was with a 1.9.17p4-VMS1 system and it was corrected w by adding the    $TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE SMBD  J to the end of the SAMBA_STARTUP.COM.  I did have a problem with 2.0.3, butJ I can't remember what that was, and as far as I can tell I never posted to? USENET about it (at least DejaNews doesn't seem to drag it up).u  J Also, I've not done any tests, but I am using Samba 1.9 to access an ODS-5K formated disk on my Hobbyist system.  It seems to work fine, but I just useo$ it for the occasional file transfer.  H Finally, you might want to mention that the Macintosh application calledL DAVE does not work with the OpenVMS versions of Samba because it expects to 4 be able to create files that OpenVMS will not allow.  I BTW, great work, I wish it had been around when I was installing Samba a t few months ago.n                           Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2000 18:05:58 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Security question6 Message-ID: <8m73i6$kmk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  r In article <342187a5.311649f3@usw-ex0101-007.remarq.com>, Hawkeye92146 <rhawkeyNOrhSPAM@ccccd.edu.invalid> writes:D :...The question that was posed to me was "restrict a user to their D :OWN directory, and do not allow them to even do a directory to any E :other directory in the system, and do it without making the account  
 :CAPTIVE."  D   If the user cannot be marked CAPTIVE, then ACLs would be the most )   appropriate (and supported) approach.  I  E   Adding "Denial" ACEs at the level of most disk volumes (other than sC   the system disk and the user's disk) would likely be the easiest tG   ACL-based approach.  On the system disk, most (all?) directories can  C   be marked for execute access for the particular user (or for the tD   world), which would prevent the user from displaying contents via    wildcard access.  E   Another approach would be SEVMS, as the stated data access control QG   requirements parallel those of the typical high-security environment.lF   (You can really restrict what objects a user can access with SEVMS.)  F   And, of course, stuff the user onto an OpenVMS system by themselves,D   with nothing else to look at.  (This is a variation of the typical>   "system high" approach used for high-security environments.)  E   Alternatively, protect those objects (files, globals, queues, etc) QD   that you wish to deny access to.  This probably the best approach,F   but the data inventory tends to be painful.  This approach involves I   identifying and then appropriately labeling those objects that contain  G   (or may contain) the confidential data.  Extensions of this techniqueeC   include the use of subsystem identifiers, and other more general t3   protections against (uncontrolled) object access.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:30:07 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Security questionI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008012001480.6597-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   ' On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Hawkeye92146 wrote:   ; +I have a similar problem, and I know the quick and easiestj@ +method is by using ACL/ACEs.  The question that was posed to me> +was "restrict a user to their OWN directory, and do not allow: +them to even do a directory to any other directory in the7 +system, and do it without making the account CAPTIVE."c +t; +I say it can't be done without making the account captive.e  3  Hm... You say, you know that the method is ACL -;)n9  The problem can be "cut" to two parts with one sub-part:s A. access to the system disk) B. access to any other disk in the system  B1. access to the user disk.  : A. requires *some* at least E(xec) access for image files.;  The question is, if you will allow the user HELP -:), thene< also some R(ead)able files must exists - but the directories requires only E access. 7  If you must set ACLs to roughly all system directoriess; (supose, you will *not* change the default access to systemt9  directories, b.ex. W=R(ead) to [SYSMGR]) with identifiere8  of the users UIC (or any granted him, b.ex. STRONGLIM),A  *or* you can also make a "limited copy" of the sysroot structuree;  (with DCL, DCLTABLES etc.) and install the required images-@  separately (b.ex. required for SHOW, if SHOW SYSTEM is expected  to "normal" work).a0   With the first (ACL for any directory) you set< IDEN=STRONGLIM, ACCESS=EXECUTE - then disable the possiblity? of directory read; that doesn't mean disabling access for HELP.m9  If you have also non-system directories (b.ex. [USER...]f8 tree) on the system disk, you can treat it as data disk.=  With the second - you can treat also system disk as all datat; disk in system, and allow *only* from the "selected system"n8 access to required images. Have check years ago, testing7 the possiblity of anonymous FTP when UCX (the time) wasp< without support for that; works. Virtual disk can be usefull5 to get separate device with minimal required size -:)i2  Of course, some fiddling with executable lognames6 like SYS$LIBRARY, SYS$SYSTEM etc. is required -:], but works.  3 B. One simple ACL on any *volume* (SET SEC/OBJ=VOL) < IDENT=STRONGLIM, ACCESS=NONE - on any disk device in system.)  Check problems with CD-ROMs and floppy !k  8 B1. If the user has not a separate disk (see, no problem3  with virtual disk driver !) you must "disable" alle6  root directories [*]*.DIR with ACCESS=NONE, and allow1  one directory - of the user - read+write+controlm+ (b.ex. setting the owner as for other user):   +Any ideas?e    -:)6  Warning is: not protected files can be still accessed3 by FID ! Only the "block whole volume" is a way for83 real protection. Then you require two VDISK for the]0 user, and the "subsystem of user" can be mounted- /NOWRITE. The "set ACL for directories" lookso3 much simple, *but* "DIRECTORY not possible" doesn'tu1 mean "something worse not possible" -:) (thinkingr! b.ex. of unprotected user files).b  8 +Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  2  -:O  Why you haven't check with the problem -;) ?    Regards - Gotfryd   -- dE =====================================================================tF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 05:40:59 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>% Subject: Re: Software under 90$  5097a' Message-ID: <3987B46A.5A57F2B4@home.nl>e  ) I tried, but encoutered a little problem:o   ******** Unknown Host  F Description: Unable to locate the server named "www.cdnow2000.com" --- the server does not have a DNSG entry. Perhaps there is a misspelling in the server name, or the server " no longer exists. Double-check the name and try again.  ********     mpbuxg@go.he wrote:t > & > We sell software for very low price. > ) > Go and look at http://www.cdnow2000.como >  >  >  > cnrffqhxbmvdw    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2000 22:25:28 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and workid6 Message-ID: <8m7ioo$mrr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <soef2hhsdbm141@corp.supernews.com>, "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com> writes: J :One thing omitted from this discussion, as far as I can see, is that CETSE :2000 is supposed to be the successor to the Tandem / Compaq Alliancee( :"Technical Update Conference" (ATU)....  G   The specific upcoming CETS2000 event is not targeted as a particular  G   source for ITUG-related content.  The CETS2000 brochure indicates as     much.f  I   There is the Tandem-targeted ITUG International Summit event scheduled rG   in San Jose for October 15th through 19th, shortly after the CETS2000p:   event.  The CETS2000 brochure references the ITUG event.  J   Previous events were typically specific to an interest or audience area J   (ASE, DECUS, ITUG, NT Wizards), and more recently are starting to merge L   together these various areas and audiences into larger and Compaq-general 	   events.p  K   I am aware of at least one event that has combined at least DECUS, ITUG,  I   ASE, and a tradeshow -- and probably a few other groups that I have nowiI   unintentionally insulted through omissions.  The event was the CTS2000  H   (CTS no-E) event that was held earlier this year in Vienna, Austria.  K   I would (personally) expect to see similarly-constructed, Compaq-general eF   Vienna-like (larger) events held in the United States in the future.  C :1) How can CETS  how it can be considered a successor for the ATU.l  L   This particular event is clearly not a "successor" -- with the ITUG event K   going on later in the same month, a simple decision to avoid duplication e3   of (much of) the ITUG content was obviously made.s   	--   I   While I work for Compaq, I am involved only as an event speaker and am nG   not an official source for event plans and schedules.  I do have somepI   small appreciation (and respect) for the (large) effort that goes into gK   these events, including folks from Compaq, from among the DECUS and ITUG mM   members and our Compaq customers, from the various presenters and speakers cJ   and demo staff, from the participants in the tradeshow, as well as from G   the event-associated organizations that are always involved, and fromn@   supporting staff such as the EMTs staffing the first-aid room.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:39:27 -0700' From: "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com> Y Subject: Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and workih. Message-ID: <sof2hr5adbm64@corp.supernews.com>  I The "ITUG conference" and the Tandem / Compaq "Alliance Technical Update"t& are two distinct and different things:  H - One is put on by an independent user group, and the other is put on by Compaq's CSA group.tC - One is primarily for end-users, the other is primarliy for Compaq-	 partners.-J - One is a full trade show, whereas the other is a small, almost intimate,
 conference  I The ATU was traditionally held twice a year in the US - once in Feb/MarchEH and once just before ITUG - as well as at other locations throughout theH world. Last year's Feb / March US/ATU in San Jose was a joint affair forK partners from both the DEC and Tandem camps (I don't recall if one was heldn
 before ITUG).e  I I telephoned  the CSA earlier on this year to find out how come I'd heard J nothing about this years ATU, and was at that point told that it was to beJ replaced by a larger conference later in the year. I was also aware of theG Vienna event at that time. Since CSA are one of the sponsors of CETS, IeK guess when I received the CETS information with covering letter from CSA, ItI read into it that this was supposed to be the replacement for the ATU andu several other events.i  I Clearly that's not the case with respect to the ATU, or if it is, then nohL meaningful Tandem information is to to be disclosed. So the question remainsL "Where are Alliance partners supposed to go to get the information and level. of disclosure previously provided at the ATU"?  0 And by the way "ITUG" is not the correct answer!   - Andrew  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messagei0 news:8m7ioo$mrr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >p@ > In article <soef2hhsdbm141@corp.supernews.com>, "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com> writes:L > :One thing omitted from this discussion, as far as I can see, is that CETSG > :2000 is supposed to be the successor to the Tandem / Compaq Alliancek* > :"Technical Update Conference" (ATU).... > H >   The specific upcoming CETS2000 event is not targeted as a particularH >   source for ITUG-related content.  The CETS2000 brochure indicates as	 >   much.e >iJ >   There is the Tandem-targeted ITUG International Summit event scheduledI >   in San Jose for October 15th through 19th, shortly after the CETS2000e< >   event.  The CETS2000 brochure references the ITUG event. >fK >   Previous events were typically specific to an interest or audience areayK >   (ASE, DECUS, ITUG, NT Wizards), and more recently are starting to merge-> >   together these various areas and audiences into larger and Compaq-general >   events.  >oL >   I am aware of at least one event that has combined at least DECUS, ITUG,K >   ASE, and a tradeshow -- and probably a few other groups that I have nowhJ >   unintentionally insulted through omissions.  The event was the CTS2000H >   (CTS no-E) event that was held earlier this year in Vienna, Austria.L >   I would (personally) expect to see similarly-constructed, Compaq-generalH >   Vienna-like (larger) events held in the United States in the future. > E > :1) How can CETS  how it can be considered a successor for the ATU.e >eG >   This particular event is clearly not a "successor" -- with the ITUGz eventbL >   going on later in the same month, a simple decision to avoid duplication5 >   of (much of) the ITUG content was obviously made.n >d > -- >yJ >   While I work for Compaq, I am involved only as an event speaker and amI >   not an official source for event plans and schedules.  I do have some J >   small appreciation (and respect) for the (large) effort that goes intoL >   these events, including folks from Compaq, from among the DECUS and ITUGE >   members and our Compaq customers, from the various presenters and  speakersK >   and demo staff, from the participants in the tradeshow, as well as fromhI >   the event-associated organizations that are always involved, and fromnB >   supporting staff such as the EMTs staffing the first-aid room. >-, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineerings hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >9   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 03:52:17 GMTe5 From: Bill Honaker <no_spam_bhonaker@xidsoftware.com> Y Subject: Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and worki 8 Message-ID: <1h6foss4pu0q6fud6fv87f0n5ubkkl4fdn@4ax.com>   Andrew,4  F Maybe ITUG in the past wasn't the right venue to replace ATU (and yes,E I've attended both).  But since Compaq doesn't seem to be prepared toyE replace it directly, perhaps there is an opportunity here for the CSA E members to contact the 'normal' ATU presenters (such as Derek, Wendy,,E et al) and make it known that the venue is missed.  Its even possible > that ITUG could help arrange for the space and presenters at aB co-located event, charging whatever cost would be appropriate (not this year, but perhaps next?)t  
 Just an idea,i Bill Honaker XID Software, Inc.    D On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:39:27 -0700, "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com> wrote:  J >The "ITUG conference" and the Tandem / Compaq "Alliance Technical Update"' >are two distinct and different things:a >tI >- One is put on by an independent user group, and the other is put on by1 >Compaq's CSA group.D >- One is primarily for end-users, the other is primarliy for Compaq
 >partners.K >- One is a full trade show, whereas the other is a small, almost intimate,  >conferenceC >fJ >The ATU was traditionally held twice a year in the US - once in Feb/MarchI >and once just before ITUG - as well as at other locations throughout theaI >world. Last year's Feb / March US/ATU in San Jose was a joint affair foreL >partners from both the DEC and Tandem camps (I don't recall if one was held >before ITUG). >tJ >I telephoned  the CSA earlier on this year to find out how come I'd heardK >nothing about this years ATU, and was at that point told that it was to behK >replaced by a larger conference later in the year. I was also aware of the H >Vienna event at that time. Since CSA are one of the sponsors of CETS, IL >guess when I received the CETS information with covering letter from CSA, IJ >read into it that this was supposed to be the replacement for the ATU and >several other events. > J >Clearly that's not the case with respect to the ATU, or if it is, then noM >meaningful Tandem information is to to be disclosed. So the question remainsNM >"Where are Alliance partners supposed to go to get the information and leveld/ >of disclosure previously provided at the ATU"?  >O1 >And by the way "ITUG" is not the correct answer!s > 	 >- Andrewb >I@ >"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message1 >news:8m7ioo$mrr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com...  >>A >> In article <soef2hhsdbm141@corp.supernews.com>, "Andrew Mould"t ><ram@softsell.com> writes:tM >> :One thing omitted from this discussion, as far as I can see, is that CETSuH >> :2000 is supposed to be the successor to the Tandem / Compaq Alliance+ >> :"Technical Update Conference" (ATU)....  >>I >>   The specific upcoming CETS2000 event is not targeted as a particularfI >>   source for ITUG-related content.  The CETS2000 brochure indicates asm
 >>   much. >>K >>   There is the Tandem-targeted ITUG International Summit event scheduledhJ >>   in San Jose for October 15th through 19th, shortly after the CETS2000= >>   event.  The CETS2000 brochure references the ITUG event.a >>L >>   Previous events were typically specific to an interest or audience areaL >>   (ASE, DECUS, ITUG, NT Wizards), and more recently are starting to merge? >>   together these various areas and audiences into larger andd >Compaq-general  >>   events. >>M >>   I am aware of at least one event that has combined at least DECUS, ITUG, L >>   ASE, and a tradeshow -- and probably a few other groups that I have nowK >>   unintentionally insulted through omissions.  The event was the CTS2000 I >>   (CTS no-E) event that was held earlier this year in Vienna, Austria.cM >>   I would (personally) expect to see similarly-constructed, Compaq-generalsI >>   Vienna-like (larger) events held in the United States in the future.U >>F >> :1) How can CETS  how it can be considered a successor for the ATU. >>H >>   This particular event is clearly not a "successor" -- with the ITUG >eventM >>   going on later in the same month, a simple decision to avoid duplicationh6 >>   of (much of) the ITUG content was obviously made. >> >> --  >>K >>   While I work for Compaq, I am involved only as an event speaker and amrJ >>   not an official source for event plans and schedules.  I do have someK >>   small appreciation (and respect) for the (large) effort that goes intosM >>   these events, including folks from Compaq, from among the DECUS and ITUGDF >>   members and our Compaq customers, from the various presenters and	 >speakersdL >>   and demo staff, from the participants in the tradeshow, as well as fromJ >>   the event-associated organizations that are always involved, and fromC >>   supporting staff such as the EMTs staffing the first-aid room.e >>- >>  --------------------------- pure personals$ >opinion ---------------------------2 >>    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering >hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.coms >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:39:54 +0100h. From: mpatt644 <mpatt644@netscapeonline.co.uk># Subject: Re: VMS training in the UKn4 Message-ID: <3987278A.D6BA7733@netscapeonline.co.uk>  % I think Global Knowledge do some, see     http://www.globalknowledge.co.uk     Phil Tregoning wrote:y >  > Hi,t > 3 > Does anybody know where to find information abouts7 > VMS training courses in the UK (or anywhere in Europec! > as long as they're in English).7 > / > I'm looking for the kind of courses listed att+ > http://www.compaq.com/training/cd-os.htmld > but these are in the US. > 7 > What I'm interested in is the crash dump analysis and  > internals courses. >  > TIA, > 
 >   Phil T   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:12:05 GMTC# From: root <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>c# Subject: Re: VMS training in the UKa2 Message-ID: <39872252.70E8512E@byron.ext.telia.se>   Hi,.  G I contacted Parsec Group in the states since globalknowledge in Englande could neverU1 get enough students for their courses (internals)J   /P.Ljc       Phil Tregoning wrote:t   > Hi,t >C3 > Does anybody know where to find information abouts7 > VMS training courses in the UK (or anywhere in Europes! > as long as they're in English).a >y/ > I'm looking for the kind of courses listed atc+ > http://www.compaq.com/training/cd-os.htmle > but these are in the US. >i7 > What I'm interested in is the crash dump analysis andm > internals courses. >e > TIA, > 
 >   Phil T   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:49:37 GMTg# From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>o# Subject: Re: VMS training in the UKe- Message-ID: <3987541A.1159901C@earthlink.net>a  9 DEC had a large training operation in Reading.  You might 7 A quick search with altavista turned up nothing easy tog- find but the may be listed in the phone book.    Hope this helps...     Phil Tregoning wrote:a >  > Hi,  > 3 > Does anybody know where to find information abouth7 > VMS training courses in the UK (or anywhere in Europet! > as long as they're in English).r > / > I'm looking for the kind of courses listed ata+ > http://www.compaq.com/training/cd-os.htmlb > but these are in the US. > 7 > What I'm interested in is the crash dump analysis and  > internals courses. >  > TIA, > 
 >   Phil T   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2000 18:19:57 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: Will Compaq port StarOffice to VMS?6 Message-ID: <8m74cd$kq9$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <8m6v7q$42i$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:F :We know you can't speak for Compaq, but could you find out if there's@ :actually any interest in this in OpenVMS Engineering or Product :Management/Marketing?  I   Various folks working here in OpenVMS Engineering and in various other -G   Compaq OpenVMS-related organizations are well aware of the potential nI   surrounding having something like StarOffice available on the platform.eE   (As are Sun, Microsoft, and most everybody else in the business...)x  G   I'm not in a position to comment on something that can't possibly be 0D   decided by anybody until after the source code is fully available.  I   If you want to see Compaq OpenVMS port StarOffice, then I can probably eF   dredge up a contact here in OpenVMS product management.  That said, I   there can be no decision made until after the source code is made fullyrI   available, beyond a generic "we're looking at it" statement, of course.u  J   Once the source code is available, I would tend to expect there will be G   a statement available from Comoaq OpenVMS Engineering.  I will ensure H   that folks heading out to CETS2000 -- note that CETS2000 occurs prior I   to the scheduled release of the source code -- have at least a general e.   statement on the StarOffice plans available.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:46:41 -0500n* From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net>0 Subject: Re: Will Compaq port StarOffice to VMS?, Message-ID: <39876161.B527AEE0@usfamily.net>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:m > ^ > In article <8m6v7q$42i$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:H > :We know you can't speak for Compaq, but could you find out if there'sB > :actually any interest in this in OpenVMS Engineering or Product > :Management/Marketing? > J >   Various folks working here in OpenVMS Engineering and in various otherH >   Compaq OpenVMS-related organizations are well aware of the potentialK >   surrounding having something like StarOffice available on the platform.lG >   (As are Sun, Microsoft, and most everybody else in the business...)  > H >   I'm not in a position to comment on something that can't possibly beF >   decided by anybody until after the source code is fully available. > J >   If you want to see Compaq OpenVMS port StarOffice, then I can probablyG >   dredge up a contact here in OpenVMS product management.  That said,hK >   there can be no decision made until after the source code is made fullyrK >   available, beyond a generic "we're looking at it" statement, of course.p > K >   Once the source code is available, I would tend to expect there will belI >   a statement available from Comoaq OpenVMS Engineering.  I will ensurewI >   that folks heading out to CETS2000 -- note that CETS2000 occurs priorrJ >   to the scheduled release of the source code -- have at least a general0 >   statement on the StarOffice plans available. > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   Thanks Hoff.   -- l Keith BrownT kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.428 ************************