1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 03 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 430       Contents:( Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS Apache mod install question  Re: Apache mod install question ! Re: Can't map to drive with SAMBA - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working ) Command Line Definition with "C" Programs - Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs - Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs - Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs - Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs - Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs - Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs - Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs " Re: Creating self extracting files" Re: Creating self extracting files" Re: Creating self extracting files" Re: Creating self extracting files2 Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on?5 Re: FA: DEC Ethernet Local Network Interconnect DELNI  Firewire Support for OpenVMS  Re: Firewire Support for OpenVMS  Re: Firewire Support for OpenVMS0 How to backup files since the last image backup.* Re: How to convert VMS ascii files to UNIX# Re: I NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS... # Re: I NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS...  Incremental backup question  Re: Incremental backup question ) Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source ) Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source  Re: Killing dead sessions  Re: Killing dead sessions  Re: NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS.  Re: NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS. , No Relay patch for MX 4.2 on Vax VMS 5.5-2 ?5 Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on AlphaServer 1000 network problem , PCSI installation problem - missing database0 Re: PCSI installation problem - missing database' Re: PPL semaphore prolem on OpenVMS 6.2  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality P Re Alliance Technical Update (was Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2  Re: SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut.  Re: SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut.P Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and workiP Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and worki" Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command...( UCX - Problems with Upgrade to 4.2 ECO 4$ Re: Upgrade Questions - 7.1 to 7.2-1 Using telnet/pppd on VMS% VAX 4000/100 SCSI Expansion with Qbus # Re: Versions of DSN - which is best # Re: Versions of DSN - which is best # Re: Versions of DSN - which is best # Re: Versions of DSN - which is best # Re: Versions of DSN - which is best  Web Base Telnet client Re: Web Base Telnet clientP where can i find some installation and configuration documetation about the TCPw  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:57:00 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS O Message-ID: <B0839F4BE3804A15.7680F1E1D0E805FE.5E668B4D9BBA30E0@lp.airnews.net>    Brian Tillman wrote: > K > >Applied Synergy, Inc. is pleased to announce the ASI PDF Viewer V1.0 for  > >OpenVMS!  > ...  > >Java is NOT required. > 5 > If this latter is true, why is an Alpha required???     G Because the VAX port hasn't been done yet.  It will be done if there is  sufficient interest.  : If anyone is interested in a VAX port, please let me know.  / The anticipated target for a VAX port would be:    	OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 or later 	DEC/C RTLs (VMS V5.5-2 only)  	DECwindows Motif V1.1 or later   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:30:28 -0700 . From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org>$ Subject: Apache mod install question( Message-ID: <398884E4.11437B75@vmmc.org>  G I recently got e-mail from Compaq that the latest version of Apache was  available for testing.  F I downloaded and successfully installed: Apache, Jserv/JSSI, PERL, but when attempting G to install mod_perl, the PCSI install fails as below.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.   > (I downloaded and extracted the file twice w/the same results. Installation under SYSTEM userid.) 6 ======================================================  ( The following product has been selected::     CPQ AXPVMS APACHE_PERL T1.21-1A2       Layered Product    Configuration phase starting ...  F You will be asked to choose options, if any, for each selected product and for A any products that may be installed to satisfy software dependency 
 requirements.     CPQ AXPVMS APACHE_PERL T1.21-1A2  A     Compaq Computer Corporation & The Apache Software Foundation.   7 * This product does not have any configuration options.    Execution phase starting ...  7 The following product will be installed to destination: $     CPQ AXPVMS APACHE_PERL T1.21-1A2  DISK$DKA400:[VMS$COMMON.APACHE.]; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  address=000000005858& 58A4, PC=000000000010AE90, PS=0000001B  2   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 1                         Name   = 000000000000000C 1                                  0000000000000000 1                                  00000000585858A4 1                                  000000000010AE90 1                                  000000000000001B        Register dump:9     R0  = 00000000001F8460  R1  = 0000000000010703  R2  =  000000000007A3E09     R3  = 00000000001A6098  R4  = 00000000001B0620  R5  =  00000000001FAB309     R6  = 0000000000000000  R7  = 0000000000000001  R8  =  00000000001FAAC49     R9  = 0000000000000000  R10 = 00000000001A6C68  R11 =  00000000000000009     R12 = 00000000001FAB30  R13 = 0000000000000703  R14 =  00000000001FE7E49     R15 = 0000000000000001  R16 = 00000000001A6098  R17 =  00000000001A6C689     R18 = 0000000000010703  R19 = 0000000000000400  R20 =  00000000585858589     R21 = 00000000001FAB68  R22 = 0000000000000001  R23 =  00000000000000639     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000006  R26 =  000000000010C0709     R27 = 000000000007A730  R28 = 0000000000000000  R29 =  000000007AF96EE09     SP  = 000000007AF96EE0  PC  = 000000000010AE90  PS  =  200000000000001B   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 14:14:19 PDT T From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)( Subject: Re: Apache mod install question3 Message-ID: <$WV5BsGQpeky@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   ) In article <398884E4.11437B75@vmmc.org>,  5     	Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> writes: I > I recently got e-mail from Compaq that the latest version of Apache was  > available for testing. > H > I downloaded and successfully installed: Apache, Jserv/JSSI, PERL, but > when attempting I > to install mod_perl, the PCSI install fails as below.  Any suggestions?     H         Just a WAG, but have  you  installed  the latest PCSI ECO?  That?     would be VMS721_PCSI-V0100.  If not, do so and try again...            -Ken --M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:36:14 -0500) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> * Subject: Re: Can't map to drive with SAMBA. Message-ID: <sohq3km5dbm14@corp.supernews.com>  3 I am also posting it to the SAMBA-VMS mailing list.   L The traffic on the SAMBA-VMS mailing list is typically less than 10 messages8 a week, so having it manually mirrored to comp.os.vms orF info-vax@mvb.saic.com.remove_spambot_tag should not cause a noticeableK increase in comp.os.vms traffic, and most of the people that think they are . on the SAMBA-VMS list are also on comp.os.vms.  J As a reminder, the SAMBA-VMS list server is currently not functioning wellI and is in the process of being replaced.  Until that happens, you can not ; assume that a post to the SAMBA-VMS list will reach anyone.   E To view any responses to the SAMBA-VMS list, they are currently being . archived at http://samba.cadcamlab.org/lists .  H In these archives, I found that Gus Bingham has an apparently unanswered- question that seems to be identical to yours.     J Now I am running an experimental 2.0.6 version of SAMBA-VMS with encrypted password support.   H I could connect from Windows 95 systems with no problem, but IIRC: I was2 getting a similar message from Windows NT clients.  L The fix turned in my case was indicated from increasing the debug log level.  K Windows NT in my case was requiring a valid guest account to be configured. J For some reason it was connecting as guest first, before logging in as theL user.  If you do not have a guest account configured in your SYSUAF file, it would fail.   K I initially did not have a GUEST account created, as it could be considered I a security issue.  I do not know why SAMBA-VMS needs it, and a Windows NT  server does not.    I Also SAMBA-VMS requires that the logical name TMP in the process table be K defined to point to a directory that the any account will have write access J to.  The SAMBA startup files should be doing this already, but if you haveL tightened up security on that directory, then the login of the guest account	 may fail.   K Note that TMP must be in the PROCESS table and any other logical names that ? it may point to must be either in the SYSTEM or PROCESS tables.   @ When SAMBA changes to run under the GUEST or other USER account,  I I do not know if this will help you, or may be someone else can give more  tips.   I If it does fix your problem, let me know so that I can add it to the FAQ.   J You can try enabling a higher debug level for the server process to see if' it will give you some more information.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network    < "Drew Shelton" <drew@sematech.organization> wrote in message' news:01JSHSEL2246001UZR@SEMATECH.Org... 9 > I just installed Samba 2.0.3 on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 and 7 > TCPware 5.4-3.  I'm trying to map from my NT PC to my / > VMS directory.  I get this message on the PC:  > C >         The account is not authorized to login from this station.  > 9 > My username on my PC is the same as my username on VMS, : > and I'm also using that name for my Samba home.  Here is > some of my SMB.CONF file:  >  >    security = user >  > [sheltond]! >     path = /USERS$DISK/SHELTOND  >     valid users = sheltond >     writeable = true > A > I've tried it with and without "hosts allow" and "valid users". @ > I've also set my PC to use plain text passwords using the file2 > NT4_PLAINPASSWORD.REG that was provided with the3 > Samba distribution.  TESTPARM complains about the < > permissions on the lock directory, but I understand that's > a bogus message. > 7 > SMBCLIENT connects just fine.  What am I doing wrong?  > < > Forgive me for posting this here.  I tried to subscribe to2 > SAMBA-VMS, but I've received no acknowledgement. > 	 > Thanks,  > Drew   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:57:03 -0400& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working3 Message-ID: <8m9uf1$27e$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>   J For those of you who are wondering why some of the CETS2000 stuff is beingJ posted to the Tandem conference part of it is related to messages like theD one below.  We (DECUS) had hoped that ITUG would be aggressive aboutJ explaining the difference between the two conferences like DECUS has been.K We actually paid for a full mailing to our membership just on this subject.    About the comments below...   K > One thing omitted from this discussion, as far as I can see, is that CETS F > 2000 is supposed to be the successor to the Tandem / Compaq AllianceJ > "Technical Update Conference" (ATU). This was a small conference used byL > Tandem to impart technical  information / directions to their partners, in a J > non-sales situation (i.e. no customers present, so no sales pressures or( > vendors vying for customer attention).  L FYI - CETS2000 is NOT a successor to anything related to the ITUG summit.  IL am not in ITUG leadership but it is my understanding that a small conference; like you describe is still happening before the ITUG Summit   @ To review the difference between CETS2000 and the ITUG Summit...  + http://www.decus.org/CETS2000/EKE2000.shtml   L ...again I wish ITUG was putting similar information on its web pages - last# time check it still wasn't there...          --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc E ===================================================================== 2 "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com> wrote in message) news:soef9s2ldbm108@corp.supernews.com... L > (Oops - sent earlier version of this before completion - hopfully complete > message is below)  > K > One thing omitted from this discussion, as far as I can see, is that CETS F > 2000 is supposed to be the successor to the Tandem / Compaq AllianceJ > "Technical Update Conference" (ATU). This was a small conference used byL > Tandem to impart technical  information / directions to their partners, in a J > non-sales situation (i.e. no customers present, so no sales pressures or( > vendors vying for customer attention). > J > Looking at the literature for CETS I cannot see any indication that CETSI > will provide any information about NSK, and comments here would seem to  back > that up. So: > D > 1) How can CETS  how it can be considered a successor for the ATU. > F > 2) Where are Alliance partners supposed to go to get the information! > previously provided at the ATU.  > 
 > - Andrew >  > >  > > F > > "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote in message0 > > news:8llg85$e78$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...L > > > > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostJ > > > > everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherL > > > > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend
 > > > > this?  > > > 2 > > > You should attend ITUG (www.ITUG.org/events) > > > K > > > ===================================================================== 2 > > > <rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in message) > > > news:8lkki5$vf3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... : > > > > In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,B > > > >   "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote:; > > > > > www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and working 	 > > > > > 	 > > > > >  > > > > L > > > > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostJ > > > > everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherL > > > > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend
 > > > > this?  > > > > 2 > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > Rob Lesan 2 > > > > Tandem Systems Programmer/Database Analyst! > > > > rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com 2 > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > >  > > > > . > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy.  > > >  > > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:45:40 -0400* From: "John Furlong" <jfurlong@merlon.com>6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working5 Message-ID: <KJ%h5.43271$qS3.84747@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   H Jeff Killeen wrote in message <8m9uf1$27e$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...K >For those of you who are wondering why some of the CETS2000 stuff is being K >posted to the Tandem conference part of it is related to messages like the E >one below.  We (DECUS) had hoped that ITUG would be aggressive about K >explaining the difference between the two conferences like DECUS has been. L >We actually paid for a full mailing to our membership just on this subject. >  <snip>  E As Andrew indicated in another post, the ATU was organized and run by L Tandem, and had nothing to do with ITUG.  ITUG is not and was not equivalentK to ATU.  Looks like Compaq have not been good at explaining why there is nou longer an equivalent to ATU.   John.t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:59:30 -0400& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working2 Message-ID: <8majmk$vla$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>  G > As Andrew indicated in another post, the ATU was organized and run byhC > Tandem, and had nothing to do with ITUG.  ITUG is not and was noto
 equivalentJ > to ATU.  Looks like Compaq have not been good at explaining why there is no > longer an equivalent to ATU.  L Obviously I don't have the details but when we were doing the joint planning" last fall  the Compaq/Tandem folksK described something being run by Compaq/Tandem that sounded a heck of a lot 9 like this.  It was to be run just before the ITUG Summit.c  I Specifically the folks in the CSA program were asked by the ITUG folks totK pledge to they would not run the Tandem content at CETS and instead save it 3 for the partners for what is being described above.r  I If ATU didn't materialize before the Summit please remember the CSA folkstB were specially asked not to do anything at CETS by the ITUG folks.     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc.E =====================================================================a5 "John Furlong" <jfurlong@merlon.com> wrote in messagec/ news:KJ%h5.43271$qS3.84747@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...e >iJ > Jeff Killeen wrote in message <8m9uf1$27e$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...G > >For those of you who are wondering why some of the CETS2000 stuff isx being5I > >posted to the Tandem conference part of it is related to messages liket therG > >one below.  We (DECUS) had hoped that ITUG would be aggressive abouteG > >explaining the difference between the two conferences like DECUS hase been.tE > >We actually paid for a full mailing to our membership just on this  subject. > >e > <snip> >dG > As Andrew indicated in another post, the ATU was organized and run by C > Tandem, and had nothing to do with ITUG.  ITUG is not and was not:
 equivalentJ > to ATU.  Looks like Compaq have not been good at explaining why there is no > longer an equivalent to ATU. >  > John.  >i >e >n   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:29:57 GMT- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>d2 Subject: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs( Message-ID: <3988689D.386D5933@ohio.edu>  D My life would be more pleasant (and productive) if I could consult aF correctly coded example of a "C" program and its associated .CLD file,E so that a sequence of commands such as the following would be useful:    $ CC program.c$ $ SET COMMAND/OBJ=[ ] programcld.cld! $ LINK program.obj,programcld.objc  $ doitnow :== $disk:[dir]program= $ doitnow/option5="text / accessible to the executing C code"- "parameter1"  B In other words, I need to have both a parameter and a non-requiredH option available as text strings to the running program.  In this case IF do not have to worry about the modifier being present without a value,E but the value will usually contain slashes and other punctuation thatl requires quotation.   H I did not immediately find any illustrative cases in sys$examples on VMSD 6.2 or VMS7.1-2.  If they are part of the standard VMS distribution,E please let me know where to look for them, and which VMS version.  IfcG there are examples among packages available on-line, please let me knowo the URL.   Thanks.                    RDPo   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:23:05 +0100- From: "Martin Waller" <martinwaller@beeb.net>a6 Subject: Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs) Message-ID: <8m9sc4$1u5t$1@news.beeb.net>.   Hello,  I I've never used the .CLD technology but I would be tempted in the case tohD use lib$tparse. You would simply have to concatenate the argv vectorK together, starting at index 1, and pass it to lib$tparse with the necessaryeI tparse tables. This would allow you to parse all the arguments you wanted + and have full contol over the command line.t  . Sadly I don't have any examples to give you...   Martin  6 Richard D. Piccard <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote in message" news:3988689D.386D5933@ohio.edu... >AF > My life would be more pleasant (and productive) if I could consult aH > correctly coded example of a "C" program and its associated .CLD file,G > so that a sequence of commands such as the following would be useful:d >n > $ CC program.c& > $ SET COMMAND/OBJ=[ ] programcld.cld# > $ LINK program.obj,programcld.obj " > $ doitnow :== $disk:[dir]program? > $ doitnow/option5="text / accessible to the executing C code"t > "parameter1" >.D > In other words, I need to have both a parameter and a non-requiredJ > option available as text strings to the running program.  In this case IH > do not have to worry about the modifier being present without a value,G > but the value will usually contain slashes and other punctuation that  > requires quotation.  >nJ > I did not immediately find any illustrative cases in sys$examples on VMSF > 6.2 or VMS7.1-2.  If they are part of the standard VMS distribution,G > please let me know where to look for them, and which VMS version.  If I > there are examples among packages available on-line, please let me know0
 > the URL. >i	 > Thanks.  >  >                 RDP  >  > --D > ==================================================================D > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerD > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesD > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University >  >0   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:24:02 GMT 7 From: "Lyle W. West" <lyle.west@childrenshc.org.nospam>06 Subject: Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs6 Message-ID: <39882EFB.33493888@childrenshc.org.nospam>   Richard D. Piccard wrote:2 > F > My life would be more pleasant (and productive) if I could consult aH > correctly coded example of a "C" program and its associated .CLD file,G > so that a sequence of commands such as the following would be useful:0 >   D You may wish to look at the NOLOGIN sources on VMS Freeware V4.0 for( some examples of qualifiers and values.    --  0 My opinions seldom reflect those of my employer.   Lyle W. West   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 19:56:30 GMTd2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs6 Message-ID: <8m9ude$663$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <8m9sc4$1u5t$1@news.beeb.net>, "Martin Waller" <martinwaller@beeb.net> writes:sJ :I've never used the .CLD technology but I would be tempted in the case toE :use lib$tparse. You would simply have to concatenate the argv vector L :together, starting at index 1, and pass it to lib$tparse with the necessaryJ :tparse tables. This would allow you to parse all the arguments you wanted, :and have full contol over the command line.  K   No offense, but using lib$tparse (or the lib$table_parse; the equivilent cM   routine used on OpenVMS Alpha) for this particular purpose is like hunting  F   flies with anvils.  It will work, but it is a whole lot of effort.    M   The CLI routines are far easier to create and deal with than are the parse -M   tables and (for obvious reasons) closely parallel the behaviour of DCL and  J   every other routine that uses the CLI callbacks.  Conversely, the parse J   tables and the associated parser mechanism are far more flexible and far+   more powerful than are the CLI callbacks.t  7 :Richard D. Piccard <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote in messages# :news:3988689D.386D5933@ohio.edu...r :>G :> My life would be more pleasant (and productive) if I could consult asI :> correctly coded example of a "C" program and its associated .CLD file,t  D   Please see the OpenVMS Freeware, specifically in the LD directory.  E   I have a variety of tools that use the CLI callbacks, as well.  ThenF   attached code fragment is probably the most useful of all these, as E   it gets rid of those pesky signals that the CLI callbacks generate.e  C   Also attached is a list of the documented (and undocumented) CLI v=   type codes, and some code that implements the HELP command.I  D   It's been a while since I've used some of the attached code, so itC   may or may not compile cleanly with current compilers.  The code 0E   was also for an application-integrated parser (hence the use of theoB   "routine" keyword) and not for a DCL command-level parser (whichC   would have an "image" keyword in place of the "routine" keyword).y  C   I'll assume you have also seen the CLI routines documentation, asi;   well as the CDU documentation, in the OpenVMS manual set.d  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com     	--   < int VDE$VMS_CLI$PRESENT( struct dsc$descriptor *CliKeyWord )     {n     u_long RetStat;i  %     VAXC$ESTABLISH( lib$sig_to_ret );i  (     RetStat = cli$present( CliKeyWord );       return RetStat;      }e   	--l   !++M !nH !   The VMS CLD implements a number of predefined data types.  The typesH !   listed with an asterisk (*) are actually officially documented.  AllH !   other types listed below are subject to alteration or elimination in !   any random release of VMS. !a5 !   $INFILE             $OUTFILE            $NUMBER *a7 !   $PRIVILEGE          $DATETIME *         $PROTECTION 3 !   $PROCESS            $INLOG              $OUTLOGA1 !   $INSYM              $OUTSYM             $NODEn0 !   $DEVICE             $DIRECTORY          $UIC, !   $REST_OF_LINE *     $PARENTHESIZED_VALUE3 !   $DELTATIME *        $QUOTED_STRING *    $FILE *d !   $EXPRESSION         $ACL * !b !--a ..   Define Verb HELP     Routine fac$cp_help &         Parameter   P1,label=HELPREST,-                     Value(Type=$REST_OF_LINE)h         NoQualifiers ..   	--n   fac$cp_help( )     {0,     globalref struct fac$cp_context context;     unsigned long int retstat;      unsigned long int retstat_x;     int fac$cp_ignore_signal(); $     struct dsc$descriptor helpline =.         {0, DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_D, 0 };#     $DESCRIPTOR( rol, "HELPREST" );a  5     retstat = vaxc$establish( fac$cp_ignore_signal );n  "     lib$sget1_dd( &0, &helpline );2     retstat = cli$get_value( &rol, &helpline, 0 );  .     if ( context.cmd_flags & FAC$M_CP_EXPERT )H         retstat_x = lbr$output_help( lib$put_output, &context.devbufsiz,K             &helpline, &context.helpsyslib, &HLP$M_PROMPT, lib$get_input );d     elseH         retstat_x = lbr$output_help( lib$put_output, &context.devbufsiz,K             &helpline, &context.helpusrlib, &HLP$M_PROMPT, lib$get_input );S)     retstat = lib$sfree1_dd( &helpline );n       /*E     /*  The following magic hex code is HELP$_OPENIN, where ever that G     /*  symbol happens to get defined.   It means the library could notgH     /*  be found.  The LBR$ call has already signaled the message to theH     /*  user so we simply zilch-out the error code here so that we don't'     /*  propogate the error ourself....r     */"     if ( retstat_x == 0x1076109a )         retstat_x = SS$_NORMAL;p  =     if ( !$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( retstat_x )) return retstat_x;t       return SS$_NORMAL;     }n   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:52:30 GMT- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>t6 Subject: Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs( Message-ID: <39887BFE.46308575@ohio.edu>   Lyle,   /     Thanks, we'll load that up and take a look.l                   RDPn     "Lyle W. West" wrote:    > Richard D. Piccard wrote:m > >bH > > My life would be more pleasant (and productive) if I could consult aJ > > correctly coded example of a "C" program and its associated .CLD file,I > > so that a sequence of commands such as the following would be useful:n > >e >yF > You may wish to look at the NOLOGIN sources on VMS Freeware V4.0 for) > some examples of qualifiers and values.c >o > -- >e2 > My opinions seldom reflect those of my employer. >m > Lyle W. West   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 14:04:32 PDTnT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)6 Subject: Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs3 Message-ID: <kpqMeWC5U53e@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>=  ) In article <3988689D.386D5933@ohio.edu>, "4     	"Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: > F > My life would be more pleasant (and productive) if I could consult aH > correctly coded example of a "C" program and its associated .CLD file,G > so that a sequence of commands such as the following would be useful:p >  > $ CC program.c& > $ SET COMMAND/OBJ=[ ] programcld.cld# > $ LINK program.obj,programcld.obji" > $ doitnow :== $disk:[dir]program? > $ doitnow/option5="text / accessible to the executing C code"t > "parameter1" > D > In other words, I need to have both a parameter and a non-requiredJ > option available as text strings to the running program.  In this case IH > do not have to worry about the modifier being present without a value,G > but the value will usually contain slashes and other punctuation that  > requires quotation.i  H         I strongly doubt that you can  do  what  you want via a CLD (butH     I'm  completely  willing  to be corrected!).  Using  a  CLD  impliesH     calling  CLI$DCL_PARSE  at  some  point  so  that  the  results   ofH     CLI$GET_VALUE,  etc.,  are  available.   That in turn means that youH     can't have a bare slash "/" in the string being parsed.  (Of course,H     there's nothing wrong with one  buried  in a quoted string.) If yourH     problem  is  that DCL removes the quotes before handing  the  stringH     value to /option5, there should be a work-around.  Use the  TYPE  ofH     $QUOTED_STRING  in  the  CLD  where  you  define  OPTION5.  The docs=     indicate the quotes will be left around the string, FWIW.b  H         If  you're  trying  to  have  your  example  command  line  workH     _without_  quotes,  then  you'll need to parse the  string  yourselfH     (can't use CLI$DCL_PARSE).  In any case, you would need the user  toE     use quotes if you need to prevent DCL from upcasing everything...            -Ken -- rM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:24:27 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 6 Subject: Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs, Message-ID: <39889F99.28FAB601@videotron.ca>   re: request for example-  % do a DIR SYS$SYSROOT:[000000...]*.cld-  L You'd find a few files, and some of those are in the .examples tree and have2 some code on to obtain the command line arguments.  J Here is an old program I found: (old stuff, not moved to DEC-C, but should give you some idea)t   .CLD:r ------------------------ !n? !   MAILTOMR  move ENVOY messages to Message router destination  !f !n DEFINE VERB ENVOYTOMRd    	IMAGE "ENVOYTOMR$DIR:ENVOYTOMR"  !         QUALIFIER INPUT,	default,  				nonnegatable,  				value(default="ENVOY_FILE")e   	QUALIFIER NODE,		default, 				nonnegatable,  				value(default="0")  &         QUALIFIER NAME,		nonnegatable, 				value(required)   " 	QUALIFIER PASSWORD,	nonnegatable,	 				valueo 				 	QUALIFIER ROUTE,	value(list)   * ------------------------------------------  R and the code tidbit that extracts those :  (old VAX-C code, not ANSI compliant...)   somewhere else is defined:5 $DESCRIPTOR(CLI_INPUT,"INPUT")    (name of qualifier)aM and a descriptor for CLI_INPUT_DESC with a buffer large enough to receive thej qualifier's value. (repeat for each qualifier).   /***********************/l  parse_command_line()  /**********************/   {h int r; int status ;  0 cli_input_present	    = CLI$PRESENT(&CLI_INPUT);. cli_node_present	    = CLI$PRESENT(&CLI_NODE);. cli_name_present	    = CLI$PRESENT(&CLI_NAME);6 cli_password_present	    = CLI$PRESENT(&CLI_PASSWORD);0 cli_route_present	    = CLI$PRESENT(&CLI_ROUTE);   cli_input_len	=n cli_node_len       = cli_name_len       = cli_password_len        =e cli_route_len           = 0 ;m    ? r = CLI$GET_VALUE(&CLI_INPUT,	&CLI_INPUT_DESC,	&cli_input_len);o= r = CLI$GET_VALUE(&CLI_NODE,	&CLI_NODE_DESC,		&cli_node_len);a= r = CLI$GET_VALUE(&CLI_NAME,	&CLI_NAME_DESC,		&cli_name_len);nG r = CLI$GET_VALUE(&CLI_PASSWORD,&CLI_PASSWORD_DESC,	&cli_password_len);a  - CLI_INPUT_DESC.dsc$w_length =	cli_input_len ;e+ CLI_NODE_DESC.dsc$w_length =	cli_node_len ; + CLI_NAME_DESC.dsc$w_length =	cli_name_len ;y2 CLI_PASSWORD_DESC.dsc$w_length= cli_password_len ;  < /** Terminate buffers so that they can be used as C strings.  **/% cli_input_str[cli_input_len] = 0x00 ;n# cli_node_str[cli_node_len] = 0x00 ;s# cli_name_str[cli_name_len] = 0x00 ;n+ cli_password_str[cli_password_len] = 0x00 ;   ( /** Get all the routes from the list **/   cli_route_num = 0 ;  status = SS$_NORMAL ;h   while(status != CLI$_ABSENT)P { CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num].dsc$a_pointer = &(cli_route_str[cli_route_num]);4   CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num].dsc$w_length  = 80 ;?   CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num].dsc$b_dtype   = DSC$K_DTYPE_T ;n?   CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num].dsc$b_class   = DSC$K_CLASS_S ; U   status = CLI$GET_VALUE(&CLI_ROUTE,&(CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num]),&cli_route_len);A   if(status != CLI$_ABSENT)s 	{$         if( (cli_route_len == 1) && 4 	    (cli_route_str[cli_route_num].str[0] == '\\') ) 		{ cli_route_len = 0 ;  		}U?   	CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num].dsc$w_length =	cli_route_len ;s9 	cli_route_str[cli_route_num].str[cli_route_len] = 0x00 ;  	cli_route_num ++ ;- 	}  /    } /** end of while there are routes left **/r  L /* put a dummy and empty string at the end to facilitate loops in program */  P   CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num].dsc$a_pointer = &(cli_route_str[cli_route_num]);.   cli_route_str[cli_route_num].str[0] = 0x00 ;2   CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num].dsc$w_length = 0 ;?   CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num].dsc$b_dtype   = DSC$K_DTYPE_T ;l?   CLI_ROUTE_DESC[cli_route_num].dsc$b_class   = DSC$K_CLASS_S ;   # } /** end of parse_command_line **/r   -------- and the example invocation:r% $define envoytomr$dir GATEWAY:[ENVOY]e$ $set command envoytomr$DIR:envoytomr $envoytomr	/input=msgfile1 -, 		/node=velo/name=ENVOY/password=chocolate - 		/route=(velo,a1,jfmezei)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 05:07:39 GMTe5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com> 6 Subject: Re: Command Line Definition with "C" Programs2 Message-ID: <HfyIOdoZb+tqxMyPa4UexbjSHyib@4ax.com>  5 On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:29:57 GMT, "Richard D. Piccard"S <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote:    >tE >My life would be more pleasant (and productive) if I could consult adG >correctly coded example of a "C" program and its associated .CLD file,lF >so that a sequence of commands such as the following would be useful:  I >I did not immediately find any illustrative cases in sys$examples on VMSkE >6.2 or VMS7.1-2.  If they are part of the standard VMS distribution,@F >please let me know where to look for them, and which VMS version.  IfH >there are examples among packages available on-line, please let me know	 >the URL.-  - I found Joe Meadow's tools have good examples  of CLI$ usage,  ie:i( 	ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/FILE.ZIP' 	ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/UAF.ZIP-  / Also useful, is his VERB tool,  from which you e# can get a CLD listing of DCLTABLES.   ( 	ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/VERB.ZIP  " which can provide ideas on how to ) implement a cli$ usage, similae to a VMS   commnd you already know.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:50:32 GMTe5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>e+ Subject: Re: Creating self extracting filesy2 Message-ID: <f2yIOXw7Wl6dnonZe9tLp=d5wbBC@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:47:49 -0500, Chris Scheers9" <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote:  F >Are there any utilities for creating self extracting compressed files
 >for OpenVMS?   1 http://WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COM/freeware/INFO-ZIP/t  ( ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/UNZIP.ZIP& ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/ZIP.ZIP    A Info-ZIP          Last change: 30 Apr 96 (v5.2)                 3rA UNZIPSFX(1L)      MISC. REFERENCE MANUAL PAGES       UNZIPSFX(1L)=        Under VMS:t  2          copy unzipsfx.exe,letters.zip letters.exe:          letters == "$currentdisk:[currentdir]letters.exe"          zip -A letters.exes  A      (The VMS append command may also be used.  The  second  com-yA      mand installs the new program as a ``foreign command'' capa- A      ble of taking arguments.  The third line assumes that Zip iss-      already installed as a foreign command.)a   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 19:35:33 GMTf2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Creating self extracting filesd6 Message-ID: <8m9t65$5vs$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <009EE001.BED81089@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes: :In article <807A1E52B6FBC614.A70BC0D110C45B3A.BBEC094D8C0BECE2@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:G :>Are there any utilities for creating self extracting compressed files  :>for OpenVMS? :>G :>For example, is the utility Compaq uses to create the DCX executables- :>available? : F :I asked here about the DCX compression stuff and never got any answerD :about whether it would even be released outside of VMS engineering.  G   The DCX capability is part of the FTSV package.  FTSO, the version ofr-   this tool that is more generally available:r  .     http://www.europe.digital.com/info/SP5434/  C   provides access to zip compression, and not the DCX capabilities.,  D   I know of no plans to release FTSV outside the company, and I haveG   no idea if the FTSV tool could be prized free for inclusion onto the 0   OpenVMS Freeware.f  F :However, you can create self-extracting .ZIP executables.  You need aG :copy of both VAX and Alpha versions of UNZIPSFX.EXE .  Create your ZIP  :archive and then issue: :fI :$ APPEND/NEW UNZIPSFX.{AXP/VAX}_EXE,<file>.ZIP <file>_ZIP.{AXP/VAX}_EXE i  G   This is probably the best approach.  (And zip-based file compression >F   is significantly more space-efficient than is DCX compression, as we-   have recently found with the Mozilla kits.)L  H   I'll stick this into the OpenVMS FAQ, as it comes up fairly regularly.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:21:59 +0200 (MET)l From: ZINSER@sysdev.exchange.dei+ Subject: Re: Creating self extracting filese3 Message-ID: <01JSIG59RVCO9JFR2Q@sysdev.exchange.de>c   Hello!  H > The Info-Zip package includes a self extracting feature.  You create aG > standard .ZIP archive and then create a self extracting executable bywC > appending the .ZIP to the end of the UNZIPSFX executable like so:p > + > $ COPY UNZIPSFX.EXE,PDF010.ZIP PDF010.EXE   D 	Actually the unzip distribution even contains a small DCL-procedure2 	to aid this process. Look for [.vms]makesfx.com .   				Greetings, Martinr >  >  > > -----Original Message-----: > > From: Chris Scheers [mailto:chris@applied-synergy.com]- > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 11:48 AMw > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu+ > > Subject: Creating self extracting filesd > >a > >oI > > Are there any utilities for creating self extracting compressed filesF > > for OpenVMS? > >nI > > For example, is the utility Compaq uses to create the DCX executabless > > available? > >tP Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser                                 zinser@sysdev.exchange.de2 Deutsche Boerse Systems AG                        O Koenigsberger Str. 29                                  Tel: +49 69 2101 5634   yL 60284 Frankfurt                                        FAX: +49 69 2101 3411P Germany                                                Private:  zinser@decus.de   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 18:50:00 -0500o9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)w+ Subject: Re: Creating self extracting filesw+ Message-ID: <4WWo4GuayMI3@eisner.decus.org>e  V In article <0025692F.005ED275.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk writes:  M > What utility is used for the file compression that comes with FTSO? Is that-, > comparable to ZIP/UNZIP or is it the same?  D In addition to the FTSO offering, Compaq also has the FTSV offering.D You can pay money and get these, but they are not exactly "products" as I understand it.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:39:00 +0930_/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>r; Subject: Re: DECW$FD, what port does it accept requests on? . Message-ID: <39889BFC.DD244CB@wasd.vsm.com.au>  A Ours won't stay up.  Soon as it's resolved I'll let you know how.f   Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > Mark Daniel wrote: >l > > Woops ... it's port 7100.  >mN > Yup, thats the port SCO XVision uses by default. Now I have DECW$XFS runningL > all seems to work. I;'ve already lost connecion to the font server once in > approx- > 1 hour however. At least it reconnected OK.  >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  >FC > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofE > MedAS or the BBC.p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:57:23 GMT(= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)p> Subject: Re: FA: DEC Ethernet Local Network Interconnect DELNI0 Message-ID: <009EE01A.6DE00A65@SendSpamHere.ORG>  | In article <neZh5.3051$0W4.110424@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "headley sappleton" <hsappleton@sprintmail.com> writes:A >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=397388992eH >Auction Ends on:                 Thursday, Aug 10, 2000 at 10:16:27 PDT  F FYI, if you want to bid on this, go ahead.  However, I have one that IF will give away...  You just pay for the shipping.  If you want it, you know how to find me.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 03:52:42 GMTb From: mccrobie@my-deja.com% Subject: Firewire Support for OpenVMSl) Message-ID: <8maqa9$vhk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>d  A I've heard very faint rumors that someone either inside Compaq orE@ outside may have had interest in developing Firewire drivers for> OpenVMS.  If you're reading this, I'd appreciate a non-binding
 confirmation.a  E Has anyone heard of Firewire support in any OpenVMS futures seminars?r  @ I think it might be interesting to develop a Firewire driver forG OpenVMS.  Of course, Serial Bus Protocol-2 is a necessary part as would_? be some type of isochronous application library...  It might bet? interesting to support digital camcorders/cameras, etc. also...-  A Has anyone given Firewire support for OpenVMS more than a passingi thought?   Thanks,e   Chuck McCrobie (** MAD VAX **)    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:29:59 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>) Subject: Re: Firewire Support for OpenVMSf5 Message-ID: <bz6i5.508$mO3.97071@typhoon.aracnet.com>n   mccrobie@my-deja.com wrote:mB > I think it might be interesting to develop a Firewire driver forI > OpenVMS.  Of course, Serial Bus Protocol-2 is a necessary part as would A > be some type of isochronous application library...  It might be A > interesting to support digital camcorders/cameras, etc. also...n  C > Has anyone given Firewire support for OpenVMS more than a passing=
 > thought?  J I'm not trying to be rude, or a smart-a**, I'm seriously curious, so don'tK take this wrong.  Why on earth would you want such support on OpenVMS?!?!?  J I can see it on something like MacOS or BeOS, but not on OpenVMS.  I guessJ the problem is I just don't see OpenVMS as a platform for stuff like videoE editing.  Are there any applications out there that could make use of5H Firewire devices?  Obviously you could hookup a Firewire drive, but thatF doesn't strike me as a good idea.  I'd much rather stick in a U2W-SCSIF controller (at least I don't think there are any U3W controllers yet).   			Zanew   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:07:15 -0700n+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>o) Subject: Re: Firewire Support for OpenVMSa( Message-ID: <3988FE03.6B798D60@mmaz.com>  L Firewire drive support would be enough reason for me...  What about as a SCSG interface for clustering?  Certainly faster than Ethernet, DSSI, CSI...o   Barry   L > I'm not trying to be rude, or a smart-a**, I'm seriously curious, so don'tL > take this wrong.  Why on earth would you want such support on OpenVMS?!?!?L > I can see it on something like MacOS or BeOS, but not on OpenVMS.  I guessL > the problem is I just don't see OpenVMS as a platform for stuff like videoG > editing.  Are there any applications out there that could make use ofqJ > Firewire devices?  Obviously you could hookup a Firewire drive, but thatH > doesn't strike me as a good idea.  I'd much rather stick in a U2W-SCSIH > controller (at least I don't think there are any U3W controllers yet). >t >                         Zane   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOl  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:07:41 +1000 $ From: Stephen_Boroczky@nemmco.com.au9 Subject: How to backup files since the last image backup.-C Message-ID: <OFA415C767.DBA19D0B-ON4A256930.000928E9@nemmco.com.au>y  D We would like to peform nightly backups of only those files that had$ changed since the last image backup.  $ To perform the image backup we used:   $ backup/image/record ....  A which did update the backup date on each file that was backed up.   + Now, when we do the nightly backup, we do au   $ backup/since=backup ....  I hoping to capture only those files that had changed since the last backupn date.   G However, we have found that most, if not all the files, are still beingdE backed up, even files which have their created and modifed dates wellPA before the backup date.   Our backup tape is starting to overrun.-  > If anybody has any suggestions they would be most appreciated.   Thanks.n   Stephen Boroczky' EMS Applications & Modelling Specialist-# NEMMCO, Carlingford, NSW, Australia,% Email: stephen_boroczky@nemmco.com.auM   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:15:59 -0500w From: gce <g@GCE.com>g3 Subject: Re: How to convert VMS ascii files to UNIX ' Message-ID: <3988817F.4D3CE875@GCE.com>0  : If I have a lot of msdos or unix files to convert, or vice versa, I use zip.e  = Zip on VMS, where you do NOT tell it to store VMS attributes, 8 will do a decent job converting file formats to stream-x+ (unzip lets you effectively vary the "-x").D  : Just make a zip file of whatever, then unzip on the target system.M  7 Incidentally, Wiz (the info-zip thing) puts the windows 7 long names into zip archives or gets the long name out,N: making it good for moving files with names longer than 8.3? characters either way. It also can canonicalize names somewhat.a     Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > Gene Homan wrote:eM > > Does anyone know what the end of line character is in VMS or, better yet,oJ > > if there is a utility (preferably that runs on Solaris, Linux, etc) to/ > > convert VMS ascii txt files to UNIX format?s > 2 > a VMS file in STREAM format uses <CR><LF> as EOL1 > a VMS file in STREAM_LF format uses <LF> as EOL 1 > a VMS file in STREAM_CR format uses <CR> as EOLPI > a VMS file in VARIABLE LENGTH, VFC, FIXED LENGTH or UNDEFINED format dop > not use an EOL marker  > C > The C RTL on VMS interfaces the physical format as a logical <LF>* > terminated' > format for files opened in text mode.  > I > Text files FTP'ed from VMS to Unix should automatically be converted tol. > <LF> format (if FTP'ed in proper text mode). >  > Confused ? > H > If you try and post some more details about what you have and what the	 > problemlF > is, then maybe we can give you some better and more specific advice. >  > Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:14:11 -0700I) From: Rick Cadruvi <rick@rick.rdperf.com>A, Subject: Re: I NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS.../ Message-ID: <3987BC33.B058FE57@rick.rdperf.com>	  7 Netscape for OpenVMS will allow you to view JPEG files.W    $ Jeff - Coachella Valley Water wrote: > H > Does anyone know of a .jpg viewer that will run on Open VMS 6.2 on VAXF > 400 Model 90 Workstations. I only have a Fortran Compiler so I can't	 > rebuildhI > a C program. It has to be a .exe that will just run or a Fortran module  > that I can link. > 	 > Thanks.n > ) > Please e-mail to: cvwdmail@netscape.net=   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 18:52:43 -0500p9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)i, Subject: Re: I NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS...+ Message-ID: <CAjsJjRnhfvL@eisner.decus.org>L  j In article <3988565F.3583CF1A@netscape.net>, Jeff - Coachella Valley Water <cvwdmail@netscape.net> writes:H > Does anyone know of a .jpg viewer that will run on Open VMS 6.2 on VAXF > 400 Model 90 Workstations. I only have a Fortran Compiler so I can't	 > rebuildtI > a C program. It has to be a .exe that will just run or a Fortran module_ > that I can link.  D I don't think people will be too friendly to someone who just send 8 test messages to comp.os.vms.=  ) > Please e-mail to: cvwdmail@netscape.netC  C Because you don't bother to read all those newsgroups you Spammed ?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:12:35 -0400 2 From: Jean-Marc Beaudoin <jmbeaudoin@vipnet.qc.ca>$ Subject: Incremental backup question, Message-ID: <3988C702.81F27BF6@vipnet.qc.ca>  	 Good day,C  H Last time I have done this it was in the early 90's. Can someone refresh+ my memory on how to do incremental backups?O   Is the following good?   1st backup of the week  8 backup /image /record /ignore=(interlock,nobackup) disk: tape:week2.sav/save_setn  # Each following days of the week....   > backup /image /since=backup /ignore=(interlock,nobackup) disk: tape:day9.sav/save_set  7     Replace the 9 by the day of the week (ie: 1,2,3...)v   When restoring......  % a.    restore the image backup (week)s; b.    Sequentially restore each tapes starting from numer 1-   Does that sounds OK?   Thanks,u     -- Jean-Marc Beaudoin, T.P. V.I.P. ExcelNet Inc. jmbeaudoin@vipnet.qc.caj http://www.vipnet.qc.cai   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:39:52 -0400>2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: Incremental backup questionL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0208002239530001@user-2ive6e5.dialup.mindspring.com>  ` In article <3988C702.81F27BF6@vipnet.qc.ca>, Jean-Marc Beaudoin <jmbeaudoin@vipnet.qc.ca> wrote:   > Good day,l > J > Last time I have done this it was in the early 90's. Can someone refresh- > my memory on how to do incremental backups?y >  > Is the following good?  
 More or less.p   > 1st backup of the week > : > backup /image /record /ignore=(interlock,nobackup) disk: > tape:week2.sav/save_seti    D I'm not a big fan of /ignore=interlock.  If you omit it, backup willF skip over files that happen to be open/unshared when it wants to read D them.  You'll get a warning for each file, but Backup will continue.F With /ignore=interlock, it will try to back up the file anyway, but ifF it is being written, backup may get a bad copy of it.  I don't know ifI you get a warning or not.  I feel that files that are always open deserve F some other treatment besides plain backup (like standalone backup).  IF don't feel there's much difference between a bad copy of a file and no copy at all.  @ If you want a file backed up, don't mark it /nobackup.  Then youC won't need /ignore=nobackup.  You might have some files that shoulds NOT be backed up.     % > Each following days of the week....f > @ > backup /image /since=backup /ignore=(interlock,nobackup) disk: > tape:day9.sav/save_set  1 I think you need to get rid of the /image here.  /  C You have a choice.  You can put /record, or not.  You didn't.  That C means each day's incremental backup will tend to be bigger than theAD one before, since there are more changes to the disk since the full ? backup.  If you put /record, you only put one day's changes in dD each incremental save set.  But it changes the restore strategy, see below.  9 >     Replace the 9 by the day of the week (ie: 1,2,3...)  >  > When restoring...... > ' > a.    restore the image backup (week)i= > b.    Sequentially restore each tapes starting from numer 1y  @ Since you didn't include /record on the incremetal backup above,A you only need to restore the LAST incremental in step b.  There'ssD nothing about the system or the last save set that knows you did theF previous incremental backups, so you don't need them when you restore.D This is an advantage in my book, if you can tolerate the incremental) save sets getting bigger during the week.1  E On the other hand, if you put /record on the incremental backups, youeG should restore all the incremental save sets.  The order isn't supposedaN to matter to the final result, but it is faster if you do them in order, IIRC.  H If you have a spare disk, the best thing is to TEST your backup scheme, H including restoring it, before you are trying to recover from a disasterJ in a hurry.  All too often, people think they are making good backups, butE they don't actually check.  A simple typo can silently ruin a backup.tE To support my "wear your galoshes" warning, I note that you wrote out.G DCL for the backup commands, but wrote the restore commands in ENGLISH. E Do you really want to translate that English to DCL when you're undera9 the gun?  Do it now, when it doesn't matter, and test it.f  J If you can't do a full backup/restore as a test, at least do a backup/listG on your save sets occasionally.  You verify that they are readable, andh1 you get a chance to see what's really been saved.c   -- d Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:40:29 -0400s# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>r2 Subject: Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source+ Message-ID: <39886B1D.382F2DA4@hsc.vcu.edu>   # isn't postgres ported (open ingres)l    and university ingres is also...   jordan@my-deja.com wrote:. > 6 > In article <ae3g5.81$mO3.14794@typhoon.aracnet.com>,7 >   "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:M4 > > Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote:G > > > I'd sure love to see Hobbyists using something like this too.  InrG > > > the Linux world, Hobbyists are called developers and they do somee > > > great stuff. > >R@ > > I'd have a go at it, except for the slight matter of time... > A > Yes, I also have this problem.  I didn't mean to pick on anyoneh> > as complaining about a situation that they aren't willing to
 > rectify. > F > >                                                              I got > what IH > > consider to be a very cool little program ready to start testing and > then II > > ran out of time about 2 months ago, just as I was ready to run it forr > the H > > first time.  I've not touched it since :^(  The only thing I'm using	 > VMS forgE > > at the moment is a notepad. :^(  Real life has its advantages andX > > disadvantages :^)j > >CH > > Note, while I'd be willing to have a go at it if I had time, I doubt > I'd beF > > successful.  My C is so rusty it isn't funny!  So it sure would be	 > nice is < > > some skilled individual with extra time gave it a go :^) > B > Well, I probably won't be porting Interbase 6 to OpenVMS either. >  > Hopefully, someone will... >  > >m > >                       Zane > >b >  > -Jordan Henderson  > jordan@greenapple.com  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:37:18 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>2 Subject: Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source5 Message-ID: <293i5.500$mO3.94471@typhoon.aracnet.com>K  $ Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote:% > isn't postgres ported (open ingres)y  " > and university ingres is also...  L If so where can it be found?  Postgres would be preferable, but I used to beG OK with University Ingres.  In the mean time I'm taking a look at DBAG,aJ which doesn't look like it wants to run on the Alpha under OpenVMS V7.2...   			Zaneo   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:58:41 +0200' From: "Harald Droste" <quadword@web.de>t" Subject: Re: Killing dead sessions) Message-ID: <8ma8pg$uc5$1@news.online.de>0  F Funny enough, I encountered exactly this problem today; thought just aK simple STOP/ID... job, but that did not work at all; the process was in LEFd state.I Nobody would have cared, but the dead process held an exclusive lock on a F RMS record,  which blocked the dayend job from finishing; this processF locked another file and so on. To cut a long story short - they simply rebooted the machine... L Alright, I think the reason is a poorly designed application; however, there@ must be another way to kill a process this stuck but rebooting?!
 Harald Droste,  D "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> schrieb im6 Newsbeitrag news:009EDE6C.0D0448D4@SendSpamHere.ORG...4 > In article <39859aac$1@news.telinco.net>, "Andy O"  <oddster@totalise.co.uk> writes:K > >Is there anyone who could describe how I can kill dead user processes on  oure > >open vms 7.2 system.2 >MC > $ STOP/ID=<pid>   where <pid> is the process id of process(es) inu	 question.F >D >E? > Please extend my condolences to the family of this dead user.D >A > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:52:15 GMTg= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)i" Subject: Re: Killing dead sessions0 Message-ID: <009EE04C.0079CD86@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <8ma8pg$uc5$1@news.online.de>, "Harald Droste" <quadword@web.de> writes: G >Funny enough, I encountered exactly this problem today; thought just anL >simple STOP/ID... job, but that did not work at all; the process was in LEF >state.-  , Humor is sometimes so wasted on this group!    I wrote:  D >> $ STOP/ID=<pid>   where <pid> is the process id of process(es) in
 >question. >> >>@ >> Please extend my condolences to the family of this dead user.  + in respose to the original posting wording:i  K > >Is there anyone who could describe how I can kill dead user processes on' ourr > >open vms 7.2 system.f     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:06:50 +0200M* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS.* Message-ID: <3988714a$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  N In article <39884E31.FA512BDF@cvwd.org>, Jeff Taff <cvwdmail@cvwd.org> writes: ><HTML>r   Please, only plain text.  K >Does anyone know of a .jpg viewer that will run on Open VMS 6.2 on VAX 400 I >Model 90 Workstations. I only have a Fortran Compiler so I can't rebuild-H >a C program. It has to be a .exe that will just run or a Fortran module >that I can link..   NETSCAPE XV and maybe more  F They are available (XV with Source) via http://www.openvms.digital.com   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888S< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 19:40:17 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS.6 Message-ID: <8m9tf1$5vs$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  j In article <398851FD.AA2223B0@netscape.net>, Jeff - Coachella Valley Water <cvwdmail@netscape.net> writes:  E   I've removed a large number of the groups this was cross-posted to.d  % :Does anyone know of a .jpg viewer...'  3   Another name for a "jpg viewer" is a web browser.   F   There are also tools around (such as xv) that can access and display&   a variety of different file formats.  " :...that will run on Open VMS 6.2   F   The old Netscape browser (V3.03) may well run on something that old.   Check the OpenVMS FAQ.  ( :Please e-mail to: cvwdmail@netscape.net  I   Ask here, get an answer here.  Also please consider setting up a singlesE   follow-up newsgroup, particularly if you are going to cross-post a ,I   question to a variety of newsgroups, lest you end up with a thread thatoI   spans all of the various groups or (as is the case with this particularh>   reply) have to check each individual newsgroup for replies.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:40:47 -0700o2 From: Todd Wipke <wipke@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu>5 Subject: No Relay patch for MX 4.2 on Vax VMS 5.5-2 ? 5 Message-ID: <3988955F.536C@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu>n  ? Please let me know if you have gotten the subject patch runningr? on vax VMS, esp. if on 5.5-2.  I am getting an access violationl& when Load_relay calls netlib_socket.   -Todd Wipke1-  remove "nospam" from my email address pleasee TIA,   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 18:49:52 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on AlphaServer 1000 network problem6 Message-ID: <8m9qgg$5jn$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  N In article <8m9bhh$r0t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Thomas Knox <tom@vushta.com> writes:F ..:My problem is that TCP/IP doesn't seem to be binding to my ethernet/ :card. It's a DEC 10base-5/10base-T/AUI card...p  E   Which specific Ethernet controller, and (if applicable) how is the u9   console environment variable associated with it set up?e  .   I'll assume this is TCP/IP Services V5.0A...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:13:24 -0700e) From: Rick Cadruvi <rick@rick.rdperf.com> 5 Subject: PCSI installation problem - missing databases/ Message-ID: <3987BC04.2561B7C7@rick.rdperf.com>s  9 I accidently delete the .PCSI$DATABASE file for a product-: and now I CAN'T do anything.  I can't re-install.  I can't1 remove.  I can't do anything with that product.  e  A I want to reinstall the product from the .PCSI file, but I can't.o  > Does anyone know how to force PCSI to do an install when there> was already an install and the .PCSI$DATABASE file is missing?     Please reply via email.t     thanks,   Rick Cadruvi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:13:44 -0400h2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)9 Subject: Re: PCSI installation problem - missing databasemL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0208002313450001@user-2ive6e5.dialup.mindspring.com>  Z In article <3987BC04.2561B7C7@rick.rdperf.com>, Rick Cadruvi <rick@rick.rdperf.com> wrote:  ; > I accidently delete the .PCSI$DATABASE file for a producta< > and now I CAN'T do anything.  I can't re-install.  I can't3 > remove.  I can't do anything with that product.  n > C > I want to reinstall the product from the .PCSI file, but I can't.m > @ > Does anyone know how to force PCSI to do an install when there@ > was already an install and the .PCSI$DATABASE file is missing?  F PCSI can be darned picky.  I don't know a way to do what you need, butC I'm not an expert.  I would be hunting for a copy of that file on a  backup tape myself.    -- s Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:07:34 GMTS From: defdannyd@my-deja.com 0 Subject: Re: PPL semaphore prolem on OpenVMS 6.2) Message-ID: <8ma632$h68$1@nnrp1.deja.com>y  A For anyone interested, I just rolled my own using pthread_mutexes G instead of going with the PPL semaphores. Now everything works great...a   Dan Cochranr    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:40:25 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>- Subject: Re: Quality( Message-ID: <8m9psa$a9p$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:39881BF9.2C274BBC@earthlink.net...j > Bill Todd wrote: > >nD > > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message+ > > news:39879E0D.3B7A5ED3@earthlink.net...g > [snip]" > > > It's all in the marketing... > >rL > > If that were true, commodities would not exist.  Perhaps your perception is > > stuck in the 1950s.- >-G > I don't have time this a.m. for a long discussion, but I couldn't leti > this one by... > F > If that's true, then how do you explain the current trends (key word  > there) in consumer purchasing?  D Perhaps you missed the distinction I made (twice previously) between( consumer behavior and business behavior.  H Marketing indeed remains at least moderately effective with 'the masses'K (your phrasing below), though the very popularity of discount chains (whichuI you mention below) and generic 'brands' suggests that its strength is notd1 what it once was (save possibly among the young).l  A Business decisions (above the mom-and-pop level) are more closelysI scrutinized for rationality.  Perception is at least somewhat tempered byoE reality (or the business, or responsible individual, pays the price).-   >-H > Marketing has convinced the masses that they need everything from cell> > phones per person to cars with internet capabilities (recent > announcement by Ford). >6I > If people bought only what they need, there would no Wal-Marts, CircuitrB > City stores, Best Buy stores, CompUsa, Computer Renaissance, ... >s/ > Yes, my friend, it _IS_ all in the marketing!   I Too strong a statement even for consumers.  'Way off-base for businesses.sK As I said, marketing is of marginal - non-zero, but marginal - influence inbG that arena, compared to product differences the market actually values.e    First you create a need ineJ > the market's mind, then present your product as the answer to that need.@ > Check with your local community college's business department,I > instructor (or dean) of advertising and/or marketing and ask him/her if  > that's not how its done.  K Seeing as the book I referenced is published by the Harvard Business School G and based on its studies over the past 40+ years, I think that base has  already been touched.j   - bill   >e > -- > David J. Dachterag > dba DJE Systems2 > http://www.djesys.com/ >i< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:05:17 -0700 3 From: Jojimbo <jgesslingNOjgSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>r Subject: Re: Quality9 Message-ID: <1095821a.1c8072b7@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>s  > I think the original post made a lot of sense.  Here are a few; things that VMS does not have that make it a non choice for > a lot of people.  (and an inconvenient choice for others).  If= you need to reply to the effect that this or that is not gooda5 and not necessary and DCL is better anyway, go ahead.,  
 1) Korn shellc# 2) /this/that/everthing file systemw2 3) Netscape's Kiva (now renamed to something else) 4) BEA's Weblogic  5) Full tuxedo implementationn   etc.   Jim     ; -----------------------------------------------------------e  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.a Up to 100 minutes free!e http://www.keen.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:28:26 -0500e From: gce <g@GCE.com>i Subject: Re: Quality' Message-ID: <3988846A.7140D00A@GCE.com>   ; Having been at a number of large companies since the 1970s,l8 I must comment that fashion, created in significant part< by marketing, plays a larger role than analysis in decisions: in the real world. Analysis is believed to the extent that= complete non-starter products, which will fail quickly before ; the guilty PHBs can move on, are avoided. Beyond that, eveni: long test runs have an amazing tendency to go with what is> being pushed by trade press. Studies would be hideously biased> by both internal effects (cognitive dissonance etc.) and group: effects, to such a degree I can see no way to subtract the	 bias out.d  9 Marketing is hugely important once your product functions : minimally, in big businesses. Claims of greater care there9 are falling for window dressing, and should be dismissed. 8 (Consider, readers, your own and colleagues' experiences in confirmation!)o  < This is of course a reason why having VMS information in the4 trade press is also vastly important; IMO it is more5 important than N new features. Turning on a marketing 5 effort requires however a missionary effort, and thata never starts quickly.t  < (As for SUVs, there are some of us who need to pull trailers8 significant numbers of times. An SUV can do this without9 destroying its transmission and can still carry a family.n6 A van and a truck cost more if you have to buy both to; get the function. Cargo pulling or carrying, when you don'ti< live in the city, are needs that come up surprisingly often.! Take that, urban ne'er-do-wells!)    Glenn Everhart     Jordan Henderson wrote:o > / > In article <39879E0D.3B7A5ED3@earthlink.net>,t8 > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > >Bill Todd wrote:p > >m > > [big snip] > >"I > >> Marketing is necessary.  But it can't make up for much in the way ofeK > >> pricing, convenience, or product deficiencies that the market views asiQ > >> significant:  only among roughly equally acceptable products is it likely to * > >> be decisive, and often not even then. > >aE > >How did CD's gain acceptance in the face of phonographs which werev > >common before then? > > J > >How did SUVs gain acceptance in the face of cheap, fuel efficient cars? > >r) > >Ask any salescritter worth their salt.- > >- > J > While I agree that OpenVMS needs more and better marketing, the examplesE > you are giving actually shore up Bill's point.  CD's are not rouglygA > equally acceptable to phonographs.  I remember all too well theeC > disappointment I felt when an album I loved so well to play a lotw' > would disintegrate into hiss and pop.7 > J > SUVs are hardly "roughly equal" to "cheap, fuel efficient cars".  PeopleH > buy SUVs for a number of reasons which have little to do with how theyI > are marketed.  Those reasons have to do with safety, status, ability too5 > carry large groups of people comfortably, etc. etc.  > K > >I'm sure you've heard about, "the guy who could ice cubes to an eskimo".f > >It's all in the marketing...t > >r > >--  > >David J. Dachtera > >dba DJE Systems > >http://www.djesys.com/t > >h= > >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: " > >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ >  > -Jordan Hendersono > jordan@greenapple.coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:23:02 -0500u7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: Quality- Message-ID: <3988C976.B1FCC7E2@earthlink.net>u   Jojimbo wrote: > @ > I think the original post made a lot of sense.  Here are a few= > things that VMS does not have that make it a non choice fort@ > a lot of people.  (and an inconvenient choice for others).  If? > you need to reply to the effect that this or that is not goodi7 > and not necessary and DCL is better anyway, go ahead.  >  > 1) Korn shell   ? Why? Just so your scripts will run on Linux or VMS, unmodified?e  G F.Y.I.: ksh (csh, bash, etc.) lacks such things as F$xxxx(). So, to me, C it's really a wash. Also, remember that UN*X lacks RMS. So, there'soC nothing built into any shell that can provide similar functionality-F (unless someone has linked C-ISAM or something similar into one of the shells).  % > 2) /this/that/everthing file system6  C Look up the OpenVMS documentation regarding logical names as searcha6 lists. You will have to set it up yourself, of course:  * $ DEFINE my_root disk1,disk2,disk3[,[...]]  F A GOOD DCL coder could set that up so it gets setup and system-startup@ time, and/or write a "shell" procedure to surround the MOUNT andF DISMOUNt commands in an effort to keep the search list consistent withF the disks currently MOUNTed to the system. Then, you will begin to see8 something which emulates the "UN*X filesystem" paradigm.  H ...and be careful about "filesystem" (no space) (on-disk data structuresB used/provided by the o.s.) and "file system" (collection of systemB services providing record-level access to data in files, including random access).   4 > 3) Netscape's Kiva (now renamed to something else)   Never heard of it.   > 4) BEA's Weblogice   Never heard of that, either.   > 5) Full tuxedo implementationo  
 Excuse me?  D There's gotta be a fairly current message from Bob Kaplow on Deja orB perhaps in your own local files. Drop him a note and ask him about Tuxedo on OpenVMS.   -- p David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:46:37 -0500.7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o Subject: Re: Quality- Message-ID: <3988CEFD.4171BDDB@earthlink.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:39881BF9.2C274BBC@earthlink.net...s > > Bill Todd wrote: > > > F > > > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message- > > > news:39879E0D.3B7A5ED3@earthlink.net... 
 > > [snip]$ > > > > It's all in the marketing... > > >-N > > > If that were true, commodities would not exist.  Perhaps your perception > is > > > stuck in the 1950s.i > >jI > > I don't have time this a.m. for a long discussion, but I couldn't let. > > this one by... > >gH > > If that's true, then how do you explain the current trends (key word" > > there) in consumer purchasing? > F > Perhaps you missed the distinction I made (twice previously) between* > consumer behavior and business behavior.  H And perhaps you missed my comparison in an earlier post highlighting theB similarities. I might even be so bold as to say that any effort toA distinguish the two reflects a certain naivete, in my experience.u  .J > Marketing indeed remains at least moderately effective with 'the masses'M > (your phrasing below), though the very popularity of discount chains (whichtK > you mention below) and generic 'brands' suggests that its strength is nott3 > what it once was (save possibly among the young).   
 Excuse me?  G Better talk to the business/marketing folks at the colleges once again.:> They'll be the first to tell you that the ad campaigns you seeH repeatedly on TV, hear on radio and read in the various other mass-media: are there for one reason and one reason only: THEY WORK!!!  F Have you ever priced airtime on either radio or TV? ...a full page ad.D in the Reader's Digest? I have. It ain't cheap, even when there's noF SuperBowl going on. How many companies do you think there are that can- afford to sustain an ineffective ad campaign?n  C > Business decisions (above the mom-and-pop level) are more closelyv > scrutinized for rationality. L  C On what planet? Certainly none that any of _US_ live on, that's for E DAMNED sure! "Rationale", in more cases than not, has more to do with A company politics than any practical measure - don't kid yourself!   - > Perception is at least somewhat tempered by G > reality (or the business, or responsible individual, pays the price).   @ Political price, yes. If companies actually looked at what theirG purchasing decisions were doing to their bottom line, they'd spin abouto. on their heels faster than a West Point cadet!  :J > > Marketing has convinced the masses that they need everything from cell@ > > phones per person to cars with internet capabilities (recent > > announcement by Ford). > >lK > > If people bought only what they need, there would no Wal-Marts, CircuitsD > > City stores, Best Buy stores, CompUsa, Computer Renaissance, ... > >a1 > > Yes, my friend, it _IS_ all in the marketing!  > - > Too strong a statement even for consumers. a  < The market, and those courting it, may have another opinion.   > 'Way off-base for businesses.l   Ditto.  M > As I said, marketing is of marginal - non-zero, but marginal - influence in I > that arena, compared to product differences the market actually values.   H Uh, uh! No (blank)ing way, guy! Sorry - that's too far out of touch with% reality to be even remotely credible.    > > First you create a need inL > > the market's mind, then present your product as the answer to that need.B > > Check with your local community college's business department,K > > instructor (or dean) of advertising and/or marketing and ask him/her ifn > > that's not how its done. > M > Seeing as the book I referenced is published by the Harvard Business SchoolcI > and based on its studies over the past 40+ years, I think that base has0 > already been touched.k  H ...and maybe not. The source fails to impress me, and the conclusions asF you cite them are preposterous, at best. There's FAR too much evidenceH to the contrary in today's market. I'd need to see extremely fine detail@ of the surveyors and their subjects before I could even consider< believing anything so far out of touch with today's reality.  B Besides, do you believe for one moment that ANYone associated withG Harvard is going to be so humble as to admit having been taken in by an   advertisement? I don't think so!   -- l David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:50:26 -0500t7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: Quality- Message-ID: <3988CFE2.F751A7FF@earthlink.net>e   Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:39879E0D.3B7A5ED3@earthlink.net...-- > > And you would suggest doing that ... how?- > >-& > > Again, be specific, cite examples. > , > I have:  dig them up if you're interested.  = Humor us - post them again. Deja's achives are still offline.0   -- m David J. Dachterak dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:59:20 -0400n, From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate) Subject: Re: QualityD Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480000208002259200001@news.patriot.net>  > In article <3988846A.7140D00A@GCE.com>, gce <g@GCE.com> wrote:  = > Having been at a number of large companies since the 1970s,i: > I must comment that fashion, created in significant part> > by marketing, plays a larger role than analysis in decisions< > in the real world. Analysis is believed to the extent that? > complete non-starter products, which will fail quickly befored= > the guilty PHBs can move on, are avoided. Beyond that, even.< > long test runs have an amazing tendency to go with what is@ > being pushed by trade press. Studies would be hideously biased@ > by both internal effects (cognitive dissonance etc.) and group< > effects, to such a degree I can see no way to subtract the > bias out.t > ; > Marketing is hugely important once your product functions < > minimally, in big businesses. Claims of greater care there; > are falling for window dressing, and should be dismissed.i: > (Consider, readers, your own and colleagues' experiences > in confirmation!)n > > > This is of course a reason why having VMS information in the6 > trade press is also vastly important; IMO it is more7 > important than N new features. Turning on a marketingo7 > effort requires however a missionary effort, and that  > never starts quickly.  > > > (As for SUVs, there are some of us who need to pull trailers: > significant numbers of times. An SUV can do this without; > destroying its transmission and can still carry a family.n8 > A van and a truck cost more if you have to buy both to= > get the function. Cargo pulling or carrying, when you don'td> > live in the city, are needs that come up surprisingly often.# > Take that, urban ne'er-do-wells!)  >  > Glenn Everhart [snip]G And, after 25+ years in federal government IT, I will corroborate these>J observations. The MAJOR consideration is: is this product a "winner", i.e.I a market leader. Quality and features have little to do with the purchaseDD decision one basic functionalilty is perceived. The perceived marketK strength of the company (e.g. 3COM, Novell, Microsoft, IBM, Digital, Cisco, I Dell, all at varying times in their history) is the single most importantc? "feature", and the buyers will perform amazing contortions withsC requirements specs to make sure that the market leader's product is + selected in competetive [sic] procurements.h  G The second most important is PERCEIVED compatibility with other leading I products. And again, the last sentence in the foregoing paragraph applies F equally with respect to this consideration, too. If you (1) aren't theE market leader and (2) are perceived as "incompatible" with the marketl- leader's products, you are below the horizon.e   -- d
 Ramon L. Tates	 Casa Maat= taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:31:45 -0700' From: "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com>eY Subject: Re Alliance Technical Update (was Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2d. Message-ID: <sohfedeodbm44@corp.supernews.com>  B "Bill Honaker" <no_spam_bhonaker@xidsoftware.com> wrote in message2 news:1h6foss4pu0q6fud6fv87f0n5ubkkl4fdn@4ax.com...	 > Andrew,t > H > Maybe ITUG in the past wasn't the right venue to replace ATU (and yes,G > I've attended both).  But since Compaq doesn't seem to be prepared tocG > replace it directly, perhaps there is an opportunity here for the CSAgG > members to contact the 'normal' ATU presenters (such as Derek, Wendy,iG > et al) and make it known that the venue is missed.  Its even possiblet@ > that ITUG could help arrange for the space and presenters at aD > co-located event, charging whatever cost would be appropriate (not > this year, but perhaps next?)t >e  L We seem to have reached the conclusion that the ATU has been dropped. That's a shame.  F I think Bill's right that we have to let the powers that be within CSAL realize that a vacuum has been created by the dropping of the event. We alsoL need to find some advocates of the event within Compaq as well; perhaps MikeL Hamersky (the old Tandem program manager) or Jerry Messina (the guy who used to organize the ATU's)./  J I don't know if I'd like a co-located event. I'd be happy if it took placeK just before or after ITUG (or CETS, or whatever). The important thing would F be the format which I detailed elsewhere, and which I personally think worked well.  = Perhaps we need to try and find out the interest level withine comp.sys.tandem?   - Andrew   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:51:29 -0500) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>o) Subject: Re: SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut.c. Message-ID: <sohcu22ndbm49@corp.supernews.com>  = "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote in message / news:M7Lh5.348$mO3.80594@typhoon.aracnet.com...)9 > In comp.os.vms John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:  >a; > >     It appears that the INSTALL.COM routine supplied byp9 > >     SAMBA 2.0.3 is needed to be run to set up logical-: > >     names that are needed.  It may be needed to be run, > >     before the TCPIP program is started.& > >     [From a post by Zane H. Healy] >- >-@ > I think you got this last part that is attributed to me wrong.. > The problem that I'd posted about was with a > 1.9.17p4-VMS1 system.0  H I do not have the http://www.deja.com reference but I have corrected theJ next edition of of the FAQ that the INSTALL.COM needing to be run was withF the 1.19.x release of SAMBA-VMS.  It may also be needed with the 2.0.3E version.  Since I am not running that version in test, I do not know.w  $ > and it was corrected by adding the >a > $TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE SMBD >a& > to the end of the SAMBA_STARTUP.COM.  I What seems to be the theory from a post on the SAMBA-VMS list is that theiH service is installed in the TCP/IP database using logical names that are7 defined by either the SAMBA_STARTUP.COM and INSTALL.COMa  L Since the logical names were not defined when UCX or TCP/IP was started, theF service failed to start.  Jeff Campbell caught the error message while debugging the condition.  F The SAMBA_STARTUP.COM can not be run until after the TCP/IP program isH running.  The logical names must be defined before the TCP/IP program is running.  K This is obviously an issue to be resolved with a future release or patch ofn
 SAMBA-VMS.   >i< > Also, I've not done any tests, but I am using Samba 1.9 to6 > access an ODS-5 formated disk on my Hobbyist system.= > It seems to work fine, but I just use it for the occasionalr > file transfer.  J The issue is if case preservation and extra characters will work.  I would@ expect SAMBA-VMS before 2.0.3 to treat ODS-2 and ODS-5 the same.  H With 2.0.3 some of the ODS-5 features may or may not be available.  I am starting to test this on 2.0.6.   7 > Finally, you might want to mention that the Macintosht8 > application called DAVE does not work with the OpenVMS) > versions of Samba because it expects tot6 > be able to create files that OpenVMS will not allow.  L I was not aware of that.  Do you have some specifics of what it is trying to do that OpenVMS can not do?e  < I will put that on the list for the next release of the FAQ.  J The archives of the SAMBA-VMS list before 1999 are currently off line, andK deja.com produced too many hits for me to effectively go through.  I figurewG that anything that is truly a FAQ that I have missed will show up againo though.t  7 > BTW, great work, I wish it had been around when I wasc$ > installing Samba a few months ago.  J Part of it was a result of reviewing the archives to check to see if thereJ were some critical tests to put to the SMB Server.  As long as I was going7 through things, I figured I might as well create a FAQ.e  	 Thank youn   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 03:34:10 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>) Subject: Re: SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut.,5 Message-ID: <SK5i5.506$mO3.95932@typhoon.aracnet.com>   7 In comp.os.vms John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:kJ > I do not have the http://www.deja.com reference but I have corrected theL > next edition of of the FAQ that the INSTALL.COM needing to be run was withH > the 1.19.x release of SAMBA-VMS.  It may also be needed with the 2.0.3G > version.  Since I am not running that version in test, I do not know.:  I Actually that was just a workaround but not the correct fix.  The correcta" fix was the bit below this line...  % >> and it was corrected by adding theo >> >> $TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE SMBD- >>' >> to the end of the SAMBA_STARTUP.COM.2   <snip>  8 >> Finally, you might want to mention that the Macintosh9 >> application called DAVE does not work with the OpenVMSr* >> versions of Samba because it expects to7 >> be able to create files that OpenVMS will not allow.   N > I was not aware of that.  Do you have some specifics of what it is trying to > do that OpenVMS can not do?o  > > I will put that on the list for the next release of the FAQ.  G Ah... Deja.com is your friend, and quickly becoming my memory of my own K computer problems :^)  The problem is that DAVE tries to create a directoryoJ called "resource.frk", and since OpenVMS doesn't consider resource.frk.dirI to be a legal filename, it doesn't work.  This of course is with 1.9.x, I'9 still haven't figured out what my problem with 2.0.x was.u   			Zane-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:02:33 -0400& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>Y Subject: Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and workiY3 Message-ID: <8m9upb$b63$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>E  L >   I am aware of at least one event that has combined at least DECUS, ITUG,K >   ASE, and a tradeshow -- and probably a few other groups that I have nowuJ >   unintentionally insulted through omissions.  The event was the CTS2000H >   (CTS no-E) event that was held earlier this year in Vienna, Austria.L >   I would (personally) expect to see similarly-constructed, Compaq-generalH >   Vienna-like (larger) events held in the United States in the future.  C There were two conferences in Europe last fall.  A joint ITUG/DECUScK conference in Vienna.  A joint CSA/ASE conference (AKA CTS2000 (no "E")) in H Munich.  I have no details but DECUS Europe decided to partner with ITUG. rather than ASE/CSA/Wizards like DECUS US did.     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cctE =====================================================================b? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageo0 news:8m7ioo$mrr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >i@ > In article <soef2hhsdbm141@corp.supernews.com>, "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com> writes:L > :One thing omitted from this discussion, as far as I can see, is that CETSG > :2000 is supposed to be the successor to the Tandem / Compaq Alliance * > :"Technical Update Conference" (ATU).... >cH >   The specific upcoming CETS2000 event is not targeted as a particularH >   source for ITUG-related content.  The CETS2000 brochure indicates as	 >   much.e >3J >   There is the Tandem-targeted ITUG International Summit event scheduledI >   in San Jose for October 15th through 19th, shortly after the CETS20008< >   event.  The CETS2000 brochure references the ITUG event. > K >   Previous events were typically specific to an interest or audience areatK >   (ASE, DECUS, ITUG, NT Wizards), and more recently are starting to merge'> >   together these various areas and audiences into larger and Compaq-general >   events.  >fL >   I am aware of at least one event that has combined at least DECUS, ITUG,K >   ASE, and a tradeshow -- and probably a few other groups that I have nowiJ >   unintentionally insulted through omissions.  The event was the CTS2000H >   (CTS no-E) event that was held earlier this year in Vienna, Austria.L >   I would (personally) expect to see similarly-constructed, Compaq-generalH >   Vienna-like (larger) events held in the United States in the future. >mE > :1) How can CETS  how it can be considered a successor for the ATU.b >wG >   This particular event is clearly not a "successor" -- with the ITUGe eventdL >   going on later in the same month, a simple decision to avoid duplication5 >   of (much of) the ITUG content was obviously made.l >o > -- >nJ >   While I work for Compaq, I am involved only as an event speaker and amI >   not an official source for event plans and schedules.  I do have someeJ >   small appreciation (and respect) for the (large) effort that goes intoL >   these events, including folks from Compaq, from among the DECUS and ITUGE >   members and our Compaq customers, from the various presenters ande speakersK >   and demo staff, from the participants in the tradeshow, as well as fromfI >   the event-associated organizations that are always involved, and from B >   supporting staff such as the EMTs staffing the first-aid room. >., >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------s1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringt hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:01:43 -0400* From: "John Furlong" <jfurlong@merlon.com>Y Subject: Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and workia5 Message-ID: <OY%h5.43276$qS3.84807@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   K Hoff Hoffman wrote in message <8m9d1g$3k4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...s   <snip>L >  Hmmm.  From what I've seen, NSK and OpenVMS and such are doing quite wellL >  in the big Compaq pond -- there are certainly changes underway to how theK >  customer events are structured, but I've personally seen far more of NSK L >  gear in the last year than I've ever seen before.  The ZLE demonstrationsJ >  were seen at the Vienna and LA events, and showed off NSK quite nicely.  <snip>    Hoff,gJ I am an ex-Tandem employee, and since I left (a long time ago) I've alwaysD been amazed at the difference in the amount and quality of technicalD information that was available to outsiders (much, much less than to
 insiders).  K In the last little while I've noticed a big increase in the amount of info.hF that I receive from Compaq (in the form of eMail, magazines, mail-outsK etc.).  The trouble is that its 100% marketing material, and almost none of J it is relevant to NSK (which is the only Compaq platform I'm involved with right now).y  I Historically, the ATU was the best source of technical info for partners.o Its a pity to see it go.   John   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:05:20 -0500 (EST)n* From: Pedro Viena <contracer2@hotmail.com>+ Subject: Telnet in a single line command...t5 Message-ID: <F168WiqJmdTcjJxWY5p00001fee@hotmail.com>h   Hi guys:  F   How can I issue a Telnet command and extract informations like this=  ?         $ telnet 15.0.0.21  !        welcome to print server...o         >monitor           (p1) state: idle         (p2) state: idle         (p3) state: printing           >exitu    F     I=B4d like know if the print server=B4s port 1 is printing or idl= e.  2     How can I make this in a single line command ?       I=B4m using VMS V7.2               Thank you in advance... F _____________________________________________________________________= ___tF Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.= comM   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:28:17 -0400-, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...e> Message-ID: <hshubs-0DEF32.20281702082000@news.mindspring.com>  B In article <F168WiqJmdTcjJxWY5p00001fee@hotmail.com>, Pedro Viena  <contracer2@hotmail.com> wrote:n  D >    I?d like know if the print server?s port 1 is printing or idle.3 >    How can I make this in a single line command ?g >    I?m using VMS V7.2a   Write a command procedure.  : BTW, did you know you're posting with double-line-spacing?   -- v Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adepta   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:42:01 -0400f- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...-, Message-ID: <3988CDE7.903FA0E5@videotron.ca>   Pedro Viena wrote: > 
 > Hi guys: > I >   How can I issue a Telnet command and extract informations like this ?8  = You can use kermit's powerful scrtipting language to do that.C   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:39:02 -04002 From: "Randy K. Gullick" <rgullick@mindspring.com>1 Subject: UCX - Problems with Upgrade to 4.2 ECO 4y2 Message-ID: <8m9prb$o4e$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>  F A client running V6.2-1H3 on an ALphaServer 4000 with TCP/IP 4.2 ECO 2C recently upgraded to ECO 4.  Upgrade was called for due to FTP slowoB transfers in one direction and primarily to patch the memory leak.  B Intially all appeared to be ok until users running telnet from PCsJ disconnected abnormally, i.e. shut off the computer or exit telnet withoutE logging off.  If the user is a captive account and were in one of thetB sub-menus when they exited the spawned sub-process runs away & CPUL utilization for that sub-process goes to 100%.  Non captive accounts are not
 a problem.  G This sub-process never terminates and if not manually stopped basicallysG brings the system response to  its knees.  Compaq's response was on thei. order of the application needs to handle this.  F Has anyone else run into similar problems and come up with a solution.J Going back to ECO 2 isn't the preferred solution either but its what we're now looking at.,   TIA - Randye   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:23:06 -0400p' From: David Beatty <dabeat@wnt.sas.com>m- Subject: Re: Upgrade Questions - 7.1 to 7.2-1s2 Message-ID: <gleIOdSpO4kl0471OgxRMZyrJySB@4ax.com>   See my comments below.  E On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:54:01 GMT, "J.G. Peters" <jpeters@sctcorp.com>w wrote:   >Greetings.i >hH >I've been asked (should say, told) to upgrade the OS from 7.1 to 7.2-1.F >Currently, we have an Alphaserver 2100 4/200 and a VAX 4300 cluster -F >separate system disks. The VAX is due to be "decommissioned" in Sept.F >Eventually, I will remove it from the cluster and the Alpha will be aD >standalone. Does it make sense to upgrade it? Can the two different >versions coexist "happily?" d  E Yes.  We are running a mixed architecture, mixed version cluster thatsC includes V6.2 (VAX and Alpha), V7.1 (VAX and Alpha) and V7.2-1.  Itr runs just fine like that.t   > I >It appears that a firmware upgrade is also in order. I've never done onenF >before. We're at 3.8 now. I have 5.3 and 5.4. media in my possession.6 >Do I have to go to 5.3 and then 5.4 or is 5.3 enough?  D Depends.  Sometimes you can go straight there and sometimes you haveD to go to an intermediate version.  It should be in the release notesB for the firmware.  BTW, the latest firmware is V5.7.  The firmware4 upgrade is so fast it should make little difference.   >e@ >We run Decnet Phase IV and have no reason to go to Decnet Plus.D >Does this have to be installed separately? I seem to recall reading& >about Decnet upgrade horror stories.   C The upgrade for Decnet Phase IV is an installation option while you<E are upgrading the O/S.  If you are running UCX, the upgrade to TCP/IPe= V5.0A can also be done at this time, as can DecWindows Motif.m   >rC >I've never done an OpenVMS OS upgrade. I'm reading the 7.2 Release D >Notes, Upgrade and Installation and New Features manuals. The 7.2-1G >package contains just letters and media. Are there any other "gotchas"e5 >I should be aware of? I appreciate any and all help.q >e  C If you have installed any DEC C patches, you might need to back outnF that patch prior to upgrading V7.1.  Also, check any layered products," they may require upgrades as well.   >Thanks. >  >Joe >t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:15:08 -0700r+ From: "Jack B. Nimble" <vmsmanager@ups.edu>e! Subject: Using telnet/pppd on VMSb" Message-ID: <3988652C.942@ups.edu>  7 I have a DPW433au at home running VMS7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A.iE I fire up PPPD, dial out to a terminal server at work, log in with myg- username and password and then switch to PPP.n  G After I exit PPPD I use the TCPIP command to show PP0 and an ip addressW has been assigned.  A However, when I try to telnet to a system at work through the PPPeB circuit it just hangs. Each ctrl/t just shows an increase of 1 i/oD request so I suspect it is trying to telnet through ewa0 rather that pp0.  ) Any help or suggestions would be welcome.    Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:21:03 -0700c+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>y. Subject: VAX 4000/100 SCSI Expansion with Qbus( Message-ID: <3988ACDE.E0042716@mmaz.com>  E Quick question for any 4000 hardware experts...  Does anyone have any,C experience with the QBUS expansion capabilities of the 4000/100 andoE using the extended QBUS backplane to run additional SCSI adapters for9C disk storage?  Can this be done and if so, what type of performancewB could be anticipated?  Any better than the DSSI to SCSI conversion route?   Regards,   Barryb   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:27:11 -0400 ' From: David Beatty <dabeat@wnt.sas.com> , Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best2 Message-ID: <MVmIOaTB8WLeiWaJb7EmTpwZLvhD@4ax.com>  B We are running DSN V2.2C on VAX V6.2.  The most compelling reasons to upgrade would be:  @     1.  The ability to connect via the Internet, as opposed to a:           dialup modem.  This can be done via both UCX and$           Multinet; we use Multinet.  ;     2.  Not as strong a reason -- the DecWindows interface..-          I don't remember having one in V1.2.I   David R. Beatty  SAS Institute, Inc.b  . On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:28:51 +0200, "Bart Zorn"! <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote:.  C >As far as I know, the only problem with V1.2 is that it is not Y2Ks >certified.e >cH >The V2.x versions all have a very strong Unix flavour and it is hard toL >accept that it lacks functionality that V1.2 had. For instance: the chapterH >about Cluster Support in the manual states one thing clear: there is NO >cluster support at all. >e >V2.2E is useable, sort of.n >h >Bart Zorn,  >OpenVMS consultantO
 >TrueBit B.V.n >t; >"Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in messageu$ >news:39884072.A94E96B4@bbc.co.uk... >> Alan Greig wrote: >>@ >> > I've read from time to time comments about the usability or> >> > otherwise of DSN 2.2 and am looking for advice. CurrentlyC >> > we have DSN 1.2A installed on a VAX node but this will be shutsG >> > down in the not too distant future. Seems I have a choice: InstalliC >> > 1.2 on an Alpha or install 2.2. Has the newer version improveds? >> > to the point where it includes all of the functionality of25 >> > 1.2 or should I just stick with the old version?a >> > >> > >>; >> I had some contact with the DSN support people last year > >> as we relocated our DSN equipped AS 255. At first they wereD >> keen to get me to upgrade to 2.2, but it did become apparent that@ >> a modem upgrade was also required. As I had heard not-so-goodD >> things about DSN 2.2 then I had stayed with 1.2, and they support) >> guys didn't seem too bothered by that.a >> >> -- 9 >> Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs ProjectA3 >> MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.aD >> Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk >>D >> I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of >> MedAS or the BBC. >> >> >o   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 13:36:16 PDTaT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515), Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best3 Message-ID: <OJETIEp6YQbe@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>w  * In article <8m9d8e$sf6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, ,     	Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:  = > I've read from time to time comments about the usability or,; > otherwise of DSN 2.2 and am looking for advice. Currentlye@ > we have DSN 1.2A installed on a VAX node but this will be shutD > down in the not too distant future. Seems I have a choice: Install@ > 1.2 on an Alpha or install 2.2. Has the newer version improved< > to the point where it includes all of the functionality of2 > 1.2 or should I just stick with the old version?  B         Summarizing what others have said, plus my own experience:  9            If you intend to use modem, stay with DSN 1.2xeB            If you need a faster connection, e.g., IP, use DSN 2.2E  H         Since we aren't  using  modems  (from  my cluster), only TCP/IP,H     I've  been  happy  with 2.2E (after some initial  speed-bumps)  overH     Multinet 4.2A.  The transfer speed is a real bonus, I don't have  toH     try  to  find  someone  every week or two to reset the modem (on theH     "other" cluster running  DSN  1.2A),  and  the FETCH function alwaysH     completes on the first go.  (I can't tell you how many times a fetchH     over  the modem link dropped out and the file didn't get copied!  IfH     it fails too many times, the retries  cease.   If  you've  got  goodF     modem connections, this probably isn't a problem...it was for us.)  A         Note that DSNlink_NEW works perfectly well with DSN 2.2E.V  H         Also, I have  DSN  2.2E  installed  in  a  cluster, both VAX andH     Alpha.  While the installation in not particularly cluster-aware, itH     is  not nearly as cluster-hostile as DECevent, i.e., you don't  needH     to install it over again for each and every node in your cluster andH     it doesn't get installed into the SYS$SPECIFIC: directory tree.  TheH     other complaints about a "unix-like" flavor I  presonally  feel  areH     over  blown.   Sure, you don't get the expected ctrl/z behaviour, orH     reasonable  command  recall,  but  that's  really  on  the  level of     nitpicking IMHO.           -Ken -- aM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Eduo:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:04:55 GMT/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>0, Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best) Message-ID: <398846A7.1DFE97F2@uiowa.edu>G  D FYI:  I have found that the Win9x version is usually satisfactory if the PC is convient for you.=  E Honestly, the GUI interface on the PC is a little bit better than thefD X11 one for OpenVMS...  But, the CLI interface on the OpenVMS box isA useable and overall it is nice to be able to manage, maintain and1- support a box with one of it's own kind... :)s  D It really bugs me when I have to use Win* boxes and applications to ' manage my OpenVMS servers and hardware!e   rick -- uH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-14792   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:40:00 GMT From: gleason@eisner.decus.org, Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best+ Message-ID: <TbRFiYkWpIzq@eisner.decus.org>r   In article <OJETIEp6YQbe@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:      J >     it doesn't get installed into the SYS$SPECIFIC: directory tree.  TheJ >     other complaints about a "unix-like" flavor I  presonally  feel  areJ >     over  blown.   Sure, you don't get the expected ctrl/z behaviour, orJ >     reasonable  command  recall,  but  that's  really  on  the  level of >     nitpicking IMHO. >   F   Having come up against a number of VMS utilities that are UNIX like,C I feel that it is a problem more serious than mere nitpicking...oneb> of the things I like most about VMS is its almost fractal-likeE consistency, inside and out, large and small...if this trend goes on, H we'll find ourselves wondering what the -d switch does, from one utility to the next...   Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultants    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 16:41:36 PDT T From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515), Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best3 Message-ID: <ifnKJQMLgIxi@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>n  L In article <TbRFiYkWpIzq@eisner.decus.org>, gleason@eisner.decus.org writes:  & <My comments about DSN 2.2E elided...>  H >   Having come up against a number of VMS utilities that are UNIX like,E > I feel that it is a problem more serious than mere nitpicking...onev@ > of the things I like most about VMS is its almost fractal-likeG > consistency, inside and out, large and small...if this trend goes on,nJ > we'll find ourselves wondering what the -d switch does, from one utility > to the next...  H         I agree completely!   The  main  problem  with  things like DSN,H     DECevent  and  Compaq Analyze is that they _don't_ come out  of  VMSH     engineering, they come  out  of  the  Services  division.   You  canH     understand  those  people  wanting common cross-platform tools.  TheG     problem is they take unix (or WNT I suppose) as the "common" model.   H         Peronally, I like  to  see  OS-specific  "wrappers" around theseH     tools:  a standard DCL interface for VMS, "-" switches for unix, and     a GUI-only for WNT.  :-}  H         Barring that, I'm amazed  that  they ignored "existing practice"H     and  reinvented  a  number of the qualifiers.   /SINCE  wasn't  goodH     enough, apparently, we now have to use /BEGIN_DATE.  Similar remarksH     for /BEFORE being replaced by /END_DATE.  Ctrl/Z  being  replacd  by;     "q" (what couldn't they use Ctrl/D or Ctrl/C on unix?).   H         So you see I'm no fan of this trend.  I was just trying to pointH     out that there are some benefits to DSN 2.2E in spite of the "ground!     swell" of opposition to it...h           -Ken -- pM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:06:44 -0400% From: "Bill Stouffer" <farm@erie.net>: Subject: Web Base Telnet client./ Message-ID: <sohoe5j0dbm180@corp.supernews.com>a  I Does have experience or an option to offer on accessing VMS systems via aa web based telnet session. H I need to provide 700 Windows 2K and NT machines assess to a VAX running! TcpWare and an Alpha running UCX. E Client based options are quickly becoming expensive and cumbersome to 	 maintain.     
 Bill Stoufferi bill_stouffer@lord.com   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2000 23:24:37 -0400a/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)h# Subject: Re: Web Base Telnet client_* Message-ID: <8maoll$hv7$1@lisa.gemair.com>  / In article <sohoe5j0dbm180@corp.supernews.com>,r$ Bill Stouffer <farm@erie.net> wrote:J >Does have experience or an option to offer on accessing VMS systems via a >web based telnet session.I >I need to provide 700 Windows 2K and NT machines assess to a VAX running " >TcpWare and an Alpha running UCX.F >Client based options are quickly becoming expensive and cumbersome to
 >maintain. >r  = I've never used web-based telnet, so I can't comment on this.i  D Have you looked into the low-cost and free telnet clients available?  H The best value I know of is TeraTerm.  It's free and does nearly perfectB vt100 (the only problem I've ever seen is that it doesn't support C double-high/double-wide).  It also has scripting, the configuration-G files are a snap to setup, has COM support, kermit/xmodem/etc.  There'se& an SSH client module I've never tried.   You can get TeraTerm here:  7 	http://www.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.htmlr  G For a _really_ full featured telnet client at a low cost, I'd recommenddK CRT from VanDyke.  This has everything I can think of and works flawlessly.gE There are really deep volume discounts and site licenses available.  2  
 Check out:   	http://www.vandyke.com/  G Looks like you can get 700 licenses at $15 a piece, which is a lot less C than some other commercial offerings.  Oh, you can download a fullyl  functional (30 day) demo to try.   >Bill Stouffer >bill_stouffer@lord.comu >a >  >E >4   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:17:47 -0700y4 From: kilvon wu <kilvon_wuNOkiSPAM@yeah.net.invalid>Y Subject: where can i find some installation and configuration documetation about the TCPwf9 Message-ID: <1a76777c.4f5ce760@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com>t  4 where can i find some installation and configuration documetation about the TCPware?t   Thanks!s	 kilvon wu0     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifule   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.430 ************************