1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 03 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 431       Contents: Re: All print queues stopping ( Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS( Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS( Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS Re: Authenticating Users" Re: Creating self extracting files$ Re: DCPS woes / Tektronix Phaser 850 DECamds - where are the nodes?  Re: Firewire Support for OpenVMS  Re: Firewire Support for OpenVMS Re: Help Wanted: OpenVMS Ads Re: Help Wanted: OpenVMS Ads Re: Help Wanted: OpenVMS Ads4 Re: How to backup files since the last image backup. Re: HTML Convertor Re: Incremental backup question  Re: Incremental backup question  Is there a TSM replacement? 6 Re: mgftp 2.6-2 client, Win NT ftp server 4.0 problems6 Re: mgftp 2.6-2 client, Win NT ftp server 4.0 problems Re: NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS. 0 Re: No Relay patch for MX 4.2 on Vax VMS 5.5-2 ?) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY ) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY ) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY ) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY ) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY 0 Re: PCSI installation problem - missing database Re: PGPi and OpenVMS' Re: PPL semaphore prolem on OpenVMS 6.2  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  re: quality P Re: Re Alliance Technical Update (was Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CP Re: Re Alliance Technical Update (was Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CP Re: Re Alliance Technical Update (was Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: C  Re: SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut.6 Re: Support of PowerStorm 300/350 under OpenVMS 7.1-2?6 Re: Support of PowerStorm 300/350 under OpenVMS 7.1-2?P Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and worki& Re: Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command..., Re: UCX - Problems with Upgrade to 4.2 ECO 4  Re: UCX 4.1 to 4.2 upgrade query  Re: UCX 4.1 to 4.2 upgrade query$ Re: Upgrade Questions - 7.1 to 7.2-1) Re: VAX 4000/100 SCSI Expansion with Qbus ) Re: VAX 4000/100 SCSI Expansion with Qbus # Re: Versions of DSN - which is best # Re: Versions of DSN - which is best  Re: Web Base Telnet client Re: Web Base Telnet client Re: Web Base Telnet clientP Re: where can i find some installation and configuration documetation about the   Yes please, a PDF Viewer for VAX  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:36:05 +0200 5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> & Subject: Re: All print queues stopping- Message-ID: <39897545.E6E96440@whitehouse.nl>    Terry Marosites wrote:  L > Any other guesses why ALL my print queues would stop( at the same time and > leave no opcom).    A Sounds like the symbiont process has died. The telnet symbiont is @ multithreaded, if the symbiont dies, all queues serviced by that symbiont will stop.   C This should leave some dump file around on your disk. If your TCPIP D version is current, you can submit this dump to software support for	 analysis.    Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:51:24 +0100 # From: nic <no-spam@no.spam.allowed> 1 Subject: Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS / Message-ID: <39894EAC.5ADD5779@no.spam.allowed>    Chris Scheers wrote: > I > Because the VAX port hasn't been done yet.  It will be done if there is  > sufficient interest. > < > If anyone is interested in a VAX port, please let me know. > 1 > The anticipated target for a VAX port would be:  > % >         OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 or later & >         DEC/C RTLs (VMS V5.5-2 only)( >         DECwindows Motif V1.1 or later >    Chris,  G We can see the need for a VAX version, for some we support, who use PDF F files, they cannot use Alpha for various reasons that I can't discuss!  E However, this is a licensed product, and if it provides more features F than 0.9 (e.g. support for encryption) then the user would probably be willing to pay for a license.   F I think we'd all appreciate some explanation and indication of how the6 licensing will operate and how much we'd pay for it...   Regards, --   Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences 1 email : n c l e w s   a t   c s c   d o t   c o m    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:09:24 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS O Message-ID: <86E08B1570F16E89.DE16BACE2DFC4EAF.35AD0F85959FC1B5@lp.airnews.net>   
 nic wrote: >  > Chris Scheers wrote: > > K > > Because the VAX port hasn't been done yet.  It will be done if there is  > > sufficient interest. > > > > > If anyone is interested in a VAX port, please let me know. > > 3 > > The anticipated target for a VAX port would be:  > > ' > >         OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 or later ( > >         DEC/C RTLs (VMS V5.5-2 only)* > >         DECwindows Motif V1.1 or later > >  >  > Chris, > I > We can see the need for a VAX version, for some we support, who use PDF H > files, they cannot use Alpha for various reasons that I can't discuss! > G > However, this is a licensed product, and if it provides more features H > than 0.9 (e.g. support for encryption) then the user would probably be > willing to pay for a license.   8 Yes, the ASI PDF Viewer can handle encrypted PDF files.     H > I think we'd all appreciate some explanation and indication of how the8 > licensing will operate and how much we'd pay for it...   So would I.  <grin>   6 Unfortunately, the pricing has not been finalized yet.  E In fact, this is a good opportunity to provide input into the pricing  process.  3 (This is open to anyone who would like to respond.)   H What do you think is a reasonable price for the PDF Viewer with one year of updates?   9 Should it be priced per system, per cluster, or per seat?    How many copies would you buy?  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:37:23 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> 1 Subject: Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS C Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000803113544.0331c0b8@pop.clsp.uswest.net>   * At 11:09 AM 8/3/2000, Chris Scheers wrote: >nic wrote:  > >  > > Chris Scheers wrote: > > > M > > > Because the VAX port hasn't been done yet.  It will be done if there is  > > > sufficient interest. > > > @ > > > If anyone is interested in a VAX port, please let me know. > > > 5 > > > The anticipated target for a VAX port would be:  > > > ) > > >         OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 or later * > > >         DEC/C RTLs (VMS V5.5-2 only), > > >         DECwindows Motif V1.1 or later > > >  > > 
 > > Chris, > > K > > We can see the need for a VAX version, for some we support, who use PDF J > > files, they cannot use Alpha for various reasons that I can't discuss! > > I > > However, this is a licensed product, and if it provides more features J > > than 0.9 (e.g. support for encryption) then the user would probably be! > > willing to pay for a license.  > 8 >Yes, the ASI PDF Viewer can handle encrypted PDF files. >  > J > > I think we'd all appreciate some explanation and indication of how the: > > licensing will operate and how much we'd pay for it... >  >So would I.  <grin> > 7 >Unfortunately, the pricing has not been finalized yet.  > F >In fact, this is a good opportunity to provide input into the pricing	 >process.  > 4 >(This is open to anyone who would like to respond.) > I >What do you think is a reasonable price for the PDF Viewer with one year  >of updates? > : >Should it be priced per system, per cluster, or per seat? >  >How many copies would you buy?   L Buy?  None.  There's an acceptable (albeit, slower) viewer already availableI for free.  OK, I take it back; maybe $10 per seat or something like that. I Let's face it: reading PDF files on VMS is something people want to do on I occasion, but most people end up reading them on M$ stuff, because that's  where the mail goes to...    ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     | I | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 08:33:01 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: Authenticating Users + Message-ID: <J1s0IkknLZA7@eisner.decus.org>   o In article <0045c324.e38a0691@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>, Jojimbo <jgesslingNOjgSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> writes: : > Hoff, not too sure what you mean about the API not being? > documented.  The LGI callouts have been documented for a long A > time, and work quite well.  Is this external authentication you < > are talking about something different?  Will it effect the= > current LGI stuff?  (hope not cause I'm (we) are using it).   @ LGI callouts only work for LOGINOUT, whereas it would be nice to? have something that could be called for authentication of other > connections as well.  DEC said they would fix this in a future= release, and they are supposed to be keeping a list of people 5 who might be interested in testing the new interface.   ; They have been using the term "External Authentication" for 9 what they do with Pathworks, starting with VMS V7.1.  One = problem with that effort was that you could not use "External > Authentication" at the same time as LGI callouts.  I have been? complaining about that for years, so hopefully it will be fixed > when the new interface is released (that is, you could use LGI= callouts on a machine at the same time as the new interface).   8 But the only way to be sure is to test, and getting your> name on their list might be a good idea.  Richard.Barry is the: mailing name of someone from the Compaq.com domain who has? posted here in the past and offered to take names of interested = parties.  My impression is that waiting until the Los Angeles ! DECUS would also not be too late.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:39:35 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> + Subject: Re: Creating self extracting files ) Message-ID: <39894BE7.F9D4953B@gtech.com>    Chris Scheers wrote:G > Are there any utilities for creating self extracting compressed files  > for OpenVMS?  3 ZIP and UNZIPSFX can create a self-extracting file.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:20:45 -0400 + From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com> - Subject: Re: DCPS woes / Tektronix Phaser 850 B Message-ID: <panderson-98A30B.10204503082000@news.ma.ultranet.com>   In article  B <rdeininger-0108002146200001@user-2ive6dh.dialup.mindspring.com>, 3 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:   J > In article <225b682b.1a8af29a@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com>, Paul Anderson 0 > <pandersonNOpaSPAM@genicom.com.invalid> wrote: > < > > As of yesterday, that's Paul Anderson of _Compaq_.  DCPS* > > Engineering has moved "back" to the Q. > - > Congratulations.  This is good news, right?   I Yes, for both me and DCPS customers.  The move "back" to Compaq can only   help the product.   = > Shudder!  It might have been Computer Associates.  Shudder!   G You are a warped person for even suggesting that might have happened.   " Now wash your mouth out with soap.   Paul   --  "    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering"    GENICOM Corporation, Gardner MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:02:13 +0200 2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>' Subject: DECamds - where are the nodes? 3 Message-ID: <39897B65.9A7B5620@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>   G For a first test I installed DECamds on a few nodes of the cluster e.g. % 1. AXP 2100 5/250	VMS 7.2-1, AMDS 7.2 # 2. AXP 2100 5/250	VMS 6.2, AMDS 7.1  3. AXP 4100	VMS 6.2, AMDS 7.1   F When running AVAIL on node 1 or 3 I always see only the information of$ that particular node. I had modified2 amds$driver_access.dat and amds$console_access.dat by adding e.g. 1.2\1DECAMDS\W		;Node 3  1.21\1DECAMDS\W		;Node 1 1.5\1DECAMDS\W		;Node 2  before starting AMDS.   : Why do I see the other ones? E.g. when runnung on node 3 I& see in the system overview window only( DECAMDS(1)		;I still kept the group name	    NODE 1 > and respectively. I read the users guide thoroughly but didn't/ find a hint or I misunderstood the whole setup.   
 Any ideas?   Regards  Otto  + PS: On Node 2 I encountered another problem  @amds$startup STOP gave an error message D "Thew data collector has receive multiple packet transmission errorsB from the datalink. Check your system for a bad LAN adapter or for  line disconnect"< This I don't understand  because it is one of our production1 systems running in the cluster without problems.    ,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:38:27 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ) Subject: Re: Firewire Support for OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <398967C3.A3F9F821@bbc.co.uk>    "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  N > Firewire drive support would be enough reason for me...  What about as a SCSI > interface for clustering?  Certainly faster than Ethernet, DSSI, CSI...  >   O The protocols do appear to be very open and emenable to new applications. I was N reading about Yamaha's mLAN technology (digital audio + MIDI on firewire) just the  other day..    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 17:23:50 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: Firewire Support for OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <8mc9r6$lsn$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F In article <8maqa9$vhk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mccrobie@my-deja.com writes: ..F :Has anyone heard of Firewire support in any OpenVMS futures seminars?  D   Not at any of the OpenVMS sessions nor presentations I'm aware of.  A :I think it might be interesting to develop a Firewire driver for H :OpenVMS.  Of course, Serial Bus Protocol-2 is a necessary part as would@ :be some type of isochronous application library...  It might be@ :interesting to support digital camcorders/cameras, etc. also...  G   A new port driver and multimedia services extensions, in other words.   K :Has anyone given Firewire support for OpenVMS more than a passing thought?   I   OpenVMS Engineering tries to keep non-privileged applications clear of  J   having to know or care about the underlying I/O technologies used.  This%   for what should be obvious reasons.   F   As for the other side of the connection from the application -- the D   particular external I/O connections chosen -- the adapters and theK   interconnects chosen for support depend heavily on customer requirements     and customer plans.   I   OpenVMS Engineering is also perpetually looking at I/O bus futures, as  H   this area is quite obviously a moving target.  FireWire (particularly H   the 1.6? gigabit variant, and potentially the FireWire disks) as well D   as the ATA/100 and USB V2 are all technologies that folks here in     OpenVMS have been following.    J   I am not aware of any public position statements nor announced plans in M   the area of FireWire, ATA/100, or USB V2, and the existing efforts involve  ?   the (existing) USB prototypes and the Fibre Channel SAN work.	  N   Of course, an alternative involves the creation of a port device driver for J   a PCI-based FireWire controller, and connecting it into the OpenVMS disk   (or tape) class drivers.  L   If you have particular opportunities or qualified requirements for storageG   or specialized peripheral I/O support, I can pass these along to the eI   appropriate folks here in OpenVMS Engineering, or (for smaller or more :D   specialized opportunities) the folks in the Compaq Custom Systems    organization.c  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:23:53 +0100t# From: nic <no-spam@no.spam.allowed> % Subject: Re: Help Wanted: OpenVMS Adsl. Message-ID: <39895649.17B4CBE@no.spam.allowed>  @ I'd just like to throw in a few more idea for the actual ads....  # Black screen, heart beat sound.....n  H "When you have a critical medical condition, what critical system always provides answers?"   (fade to black, fade back in)b OpenVMSsC (fade to black, sound effects of cash registers and jingling money)M (fade in gold coloured screen)> When you're in the money with the lottery [lotto], what system guaranteed your payout?a (fade to black)m (fade in gold writing) OpenVMS ? (fade to black, sound of a radio being tuned rapidly thru radio0	 stations): (fade in to some other colour)F What system does the worlds most comprehenshive text search engine use0 guarantee to find you an answer on the internet? (fade to black)- (fade in a colour) OpenVMS G Then maybe a screen of Compaq and whatever. 15/20 seconds maximum totalT time  H (last reference is to Northen light of course, I think I'm right in what I state)  ? The benefit that that as is there's no talking, its not countryeE specific, and could be used world wide (wording translation maybe). InC expect a 'flash' or 'shockwave' could be quite easy to put togetherl (sorry for swearing!).  D If Compaq and / or a commercial advertising group use that idea, I'dD expect some renumeration for the ideas. (nclews@csc.com). If a groupD formed from this forum is created for the purpose, use the ideas forF free. Wording as approximate or adjusted still count as the same idea.   Regards, Nic --   Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences 1 email : n c l e w s   a t   c s c   d o t   c o m    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:46:24 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk% Subject: Re: Help Wanted: OpenVMS Ads-/ Message-ID: <00256930.00464446.00@quegw01.btyp>0  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazas  P Might this cloud the waters in the UK, where Compaq ads are prevalent on TV, butN all point to Compaq's Intel offerings? IE the one where they state most of theJ internet is fuelled by Compaq servers (or something similar). Of course it6 wouldn't be aimed at the same target audience I guess.  N But I DO think it's a good idea Nic - perhaps you should change your career...   :-)t   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesu        7 nic <no-spam@no.spam.allowed> on 03/08/2000 10:23:53 AMu    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)-C From:      nic <no-spam@no.spam.allowed>, 3 August 2000, 10:23 a.m.-   Re: Help Wanted: OpenVMS Ads        @ I'd just like to throw in a few more idea for the actual ads....  # Black screen, heart beat sound.....t  H "When you have a critical medical condition, what critical system always provides answers?"   (fade to black, fade back in)t OpenVMSnC (fade to black, sound effects of cash registers and jingling money)V (fade in gold coloured screen)> When you're in the money with the lottery [lotto], what system guaranteed your payout?o (fade to black)l (fade in gold writing) OpenVMSt? (fade to black, sound of a radio being tuned rapidly thru radioe	 stations)n (fade in to some other colour)F What system does the worlds most comprehenshive text search engine use0 guarantee to find you an answer on the internet? (fade to black)e (fade in a colour) OpenVMS G Then maybe a screen of Compaq and whatever. 15/20 seconds maximum totala time  H (last reference is to Northen light of course, I think I'm right in what I state)  ? The benefit that that as is there's no talking, its not country E specific, and could be used world wide (wording translation maybe). IeC expect a 'flash' or 'shockwave' could be quite easy to put togetherd (sorry for swearing!).  D If Compaq and / or a commercial advertising group use that idea, I'dD expect some renumeration for the ideas. (nclews@csc.com). If a groupD formed from this forum is created for the purpose, use the ideas forF free. Wording as approximate or adjusted still count as the same idea.   Regards, Nic -- Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences 1 email : n c l e w s   a t   c s c   d o t   c o mX   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:46:57 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>w% Subject: Re: Help Wanted: OpenVMS Ads ) Message-ID: <398993F1.1CBFBF83@bbc.co.uk>   % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:   ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazai >sR > Might this cloud the waters in the UK, where Compaq ads are prevalent on TV, butP > all point to Compaq's Intel offerings? IE the one where they state most of theL > internet is fuelled by Compaq servers (or something similar). Of course it8 > wouldn't be aimed at the same target audience I guess.  > I hate those stupid spiders. They just look so dumb and tacky.  4 btw Steve, I am getting mail bounces from Compuserve   -----Original Message-----< From: CompuServe Postmaster [SMTP:postmaster@compuserve.com]' Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 4:44 PMi& To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.comK Subject: Undeliverable Message:  Delivery report for message to stevespiresn  H Message "RE: Running out of Room", sent at 11:43 EDT on 03-Aug-00, couldE not be delivered to stevespires at 11:43 EDT on 03-Aug-00 because the-4 recipient mailbox is full. << File: ATT276144.txt >>   >, >pP > But I DO think it's a good idea Nic - perhaps you should change your career... >c  I Me too, the public needs to be educated about real computing, rather than L the playpen toytown stuff that has been foisted on them for the last decade.     >c   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukc  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of. MedAS or the BBC.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:16:15 -0400e' From: David Beatty <dabeat@wnt.sas.com> = Subject: Re: How to backup files since the last image backup. 2 Message-ID: <PGGJOYtkuGqNGitKqq2FvqgENyum@4ax.com>  C What version of VMS?  What kind of applications are running on yourV system?t  A There might be a bug in the version of backup you are running, so * check DSN if you have not already done so.  ; Some applications, especially database (Oracle and Rdb) are'? almost totally worthless running incremental backups, since the C files are touched constantly.  In the case of Oracle, the only ways)@ I know of to successfully perform a backup against it are either? export, cold backup (database is down), or hot backup (database  is archiving redo logs).  C You might also consider a record pass on the incremental.  As it is B coded, it will perform a cumulative incremental.  The down side is@ that restores are a bit more tricky; the incrementals have to be restored in reverse order.  
 Good luck!   David R. Beattyo SAS Institute, Inc.s  B On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:07:41 +1000, Stephen_Boroczky@nemmco.com.au wrote:  E >We would like to peform nightly backups of only those files that hade% >changed since the last image backup., >r% >To perform the image backup we used:o >s >$ backup/image/record ....e >TB >which did update the backup date on each file that was backed up. >e, >Now, when we do the nightly backup, we do a >t >$ backup/since=backup ....i >rJ >hoping to capture only those files that had changed since the last backup >date. >nH >However, we have found that most, if not all the files, are still beingF >backed up, even files which have their created and modifed dates wellB >before the backup date.   Our backup tape is starting to overrun. > ? >If anybody has any suggestions they would be most appreciated.  >p >Thanks. >  >Stephen Boroczkys( >EMS Applications & Modelling Specialist$ >NEMMCO, Carlingford, NSW, Australia& >Email: stephen_boroczky@nemmco.com.au >    ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:20:18 GMT- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>- Subject: Re: HTML Convertor0( Message-ID: <3989718F.CD80E94E@ohio.edu>  P The COPY command is perfectly happy to concatenate multiple input files into one output file.                           RDP<     "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:   > Raji Arulambalam wrote:i >O
 > > Greetingsm > >lP > > Does anyone know of a simple DCL command file that will convert a given textO > > file into a basic html  page ready for the web. No fancy tags are required,w= > > I have a large number of text files that need converting.  >eM > What ever the existing text file is, if you prefix the contents of the file  > with:u >g > <html><body><pre>s >l  > and then suffix the file with: >  > </pre></body></html> >tI > You'll get the basic results you seek.  How you do that is left to your N > imagination, but it can be done through a DCL procedure, by creating two tagL > files taht contain the beginning and ending tags and then using the APPENDO > append to create a new, merged file, or you can even convert the file to PDF, 7 > which is what I ended up doing for various reasons...a >f > Barryt >  > -- > A > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOs >IC > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 06:43:05 GMTn+ From: "Gerke Grashuis" <g.grashuis@kpn.com>e( Subject: Re: Incremental backup question8 Message-ID: <01bffd16$1298e0e0$8d4c15ac@HKTGN9911301604>   Almost.-( 1st backup of the week is a full backup.G Following backups are backups of files modified since the previous fullc backup.jG So, due to the fact that you omitted the record qualifier for the dailygH backups (which is good) you only need to restore the full backup and the last daily backup.  K If you would have used the record qualifier for the daily backups you would 7 have had to restore all daily backups in reverse order!    Gerke.  ? Jean-Marc Beaudoin <jmbeaudoin@vipnet.qc.ca> schreef in artikel # <3988C702.81F27BF6@vipnet.qc.ca>...P > Good day,e > J > Last time I have done this it was in the early 90's. Can someone refresh- > my memory on how to do incremental backups?l >  > Is the following good? >  > 1st backup of the week > : > backup /image /record /ignore=(interlock,nobackup) disk: > tape:week2.sav/save_set  > % > Each following days of the week....  > @ > backup /image /since=backup /ignore=(interlock,nobackup) disk: > tape:day9.sav/save_set > 9 >     Replace the 9 by the day of the week (ie: 1,2,3...), >  > When restoring...... > ' > a.    restore the image backup (week)a= > b.    Sequentially restore each tapes starting from numer 1e >  > Does that sounds OK? > 	 > Thanks,r >  >  > -- > Jean-Marc Beaudoin, T.P. > V.I.P. ExcelNet Inc. > jmbeaudoin@vipnet.qc.cai > http://www.vipnet.qc.ca  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:35:34 +0100-- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>1( Subject: Re: Incremental backup question) Message-ID: <39896716.B25D5495@bbc.co.uk>e   Robert Deininger wrote:D   >8 >6H > > I'm not a big fan of /ignore=interlock.  If you omit it, backup willG > skip over files that happen to be open/unshared when it wants to read F > them.  You'll get a warning for each file, but Backup will continue.H > With /ignore=interlock, it will try to back up the file anyway, but ifH > it is being written, backup may get a bad copy of it.  I don't know ifK > you get a warning or not.  I feel that files that are always open deserveo  Q You get a warning that the file is open for write by another user. If the file is?T actually written (ie it isn't just a user who forgot to log off) then you will get aM verification error from backup (you do verify, don't you) and then you can bee sure your backup is no good.   > H > some other treatment besides plain backup (like standalone backup).  IH > don't feel there's much difference between a bad copy of a file and no > copy at all. >   I I'd prefer to have a backup that is OK but with some warnings about fileslM open for write by another user than no backup at all. Sure, you have to checkd the logs thouroughly.e   >sB > If you want a file backed up, don't mark it /nobackup.  Then youE > won't need /ignore=nobackup.  You might have some files that shoulde > NOT be backed up.  >   8 Agreed, IMHO only *.SYS,*.DMP should be marked nobackup.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uku  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.w   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:48:34 GMT/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>p$ Subject: Is there a TSM replacement?) Message-ID: <39895C12.53D3FCC0@uiowa.edu>e  F I have some older terminal servers, not all are Digital products, thatE I have always managed with the TSM (Terminal Server Manager) product.d  G I just discovered that TSM is no longer a licensed product in the EDU's 4 CSLG package. :(  It is listed as a retired product.  E I suspect a new product long ago came along to manage these LAT-basedUD terminal servers and DEC Hub devices but I did not pay attention. :)  F Does anyone know what (if any) replacement management product I should be using is called?-   Regards, Rick -- -H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479I   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:24:42 +0100e2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>? Subject: Re: mgftp 2.6-2 client, Win NT ftp server 4.0 problemsa. Message-ID: <39898EBA.7911569D@CCAgroup.co.uk>  , Still suffering here - someone help please !  G I'm getting consistent failure from delete in my batch job, although if H I cut out all the non-ftp stuff, it seems to work. Some kind of resource problem ? I'm baffled.  C And another problem: with openvms$ftp defined to be mgftp, copy/ftp = returns success to DCL even when the file's not found & I get + %ftp-w-noaction. ucx 4.2 behaves correctly.s  G Here's the excerpt from the batch file - all looking OK, but afterwardscB file .0040 is still there, & broken just the same as all the rest.G ----------   1 owner    group            8941 Aug  3 12:03 CCASTAT.0040   D Help ! If I can get any more detail, or if you have any constructiveG suggestions for fixing this (at either client or server end, although It; only have authority at the client end), please let me know.o  C The only other oddity I've is that occasionally, after the delete's  NLST, I get:.   "<500 Syntax error, command unrecognized: '';    %FTP-E-SYNTAX_ERROR, Syntax error, command unrecognized.sF    %FTP-I-ATTEMPTING_ABOR, Attempting to amicably abort data transfer.    >QUIT9    <150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list. 4    %FTP-I-CLOSING, Transfer Okay; Connection Closing(    -SYSTEM-W-CANCEL, operation canceled"  ' 13:58$ def/u madgoat_ftp_init sys$inputr# 13:58$ soeftp "delete CCASTAT.0040"n MadGoat FTP client V2.6-2 9 %FTP-I-ATTEMPTING, Attempting to connect to host <hidden>f2 <220 <hidden> Microsoft FTP Service (Version 4.0).2 %FTP-I-LOGIN, Attempting to login to user <hidden>$ <331 Password required for <hidden>.
 <230-WARNING!f, <230-You have entered the <hidden> FTP site.> <230-If you are not authorised to access this site, disconnect immediately. <230 User <hidden> logged in.o set command-3 %FTP-I-COMMAND_ON, Server command display is now onn	 cd domdelr >CWD domdel# <250 CWD command successful. directory/full >PORT 100,100,100,6,7,109  <200 PORT command successful.  >LISTm4 <150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. <226 Transfer complete.4G ----------   1 owner    group           12641 Jul 28 12:08 CCASTAT.0024oG ----------   1 owner    group            9237 Jul 28 16:10 CCASTAT.0025 G ----------   1 owner    group           19745 Jul 31  4:32 CCASTAT.0026aG ----------   1 owner    group           10273 Jul 31  9:09 CCASTAT.0027nG ----------   1 owner    group            8201 Jul 31 12:01 CCASTAT.0028sG ----------   1 owner    group            6425 Jul 31 16:03 CCASTAT.0029uG ----------   1 owner    group           12197 Aug  1  4:09 CCASTAT.0030 G ----------   1 owner    group           26553 Aug  1  9:17 CCASTAT.0031oG ----------   1 owner    group           24629 Aug  1 12:19 CCASTAT.0032mG ----------   1 owner    group           17821 Aug  1 16:12 CCASTAT.0033eG ----------   1 owner    group           36321 Aug  2  4:11 CCASTAT.0034sG ----------   1 owner    group           16637 Aug  2  9:35 CCASTAT.0035 G ----------   1 owner    group           14713 Aug  2 12:08 CCASTAT.0036tG ----------   1 owner    group            9533 Aug  2 16:03 CCASTAT.0037pG ----------   1 owner    group           20633 Aug  3  4:11 CCASTAT.0038eG ----------   1 owner    group           12197 Aug  3  9:12 CCASTAT.0039fG -rwxrwxrwx   1 owner    group            8941 Aug  3 12:03 CCASTAT.0040hF %FTP-I-DATA_RATE, 1241 bytes (3 blocks) in 00:00:04.13 = 300 cps, IO=2H %FTP-I-GETTING_NAMES, Obtaining name list for "CCASTAT.0040" from remote host >PORT 100,100,100,6,7,110a <200 PORT command successful.h >NLST CCASTAT.00406 <150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list. <226 Transfer complete.  >DELE CCASTAT.0040 <250 DELE command successful.-. %FTP-I-DELETED_FILE, Deleted file CCASTAT.0040 >QUIT. <221 You are now disconnected.% 13:59$ on warning then $ goto cleanupg   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 15:20:31 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)? Subject: Re: mgftp 2.6-2 client, Win NT ftp server 4.0 problemsT, Message-ID: <8mc2jv$8np@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  c In article <39880ED9.44D2E747@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes: I >Not exactly a vms problem, except it doesn't happen with another client. 2 >I've tried the madgoat list without any response. >aF >I log in to a remote site, cd, do a dir/full & all's well (protection >-rwxrwxrwx until I break it).F >Do a get/wild "CCASTAT.*" successfully, another dir/full (same), then >disconnect.I >Process the files I've just fetched locally, then go back to delete themoE >from the remote site. I've got cd & dir/full in the mg_ftp_init file H >(sys$input), and "delete ""CCASTAT.0001"",""CCASTAT.0002""" or whateverE >on the ftp command line. If the protection allows it this appears tooA >work, but a subsequent dir/full shows all the files still there,oF >protection ----------. Subsequent gets continue to work, deletes give >access denied.gF >Rebooting the NT box frees up these files so that the protection's OK >again.o >r4 >Has anyone else seen this ? Is there a workaround ?  L I have not seen it.  Moreover, I can't repeat it.  We have WAR-FTPD running K on an NT box and when MGFTP sends "del filename" it really does delete the  - file and it leaves no "ghost" entries behind.    Which FTP server are you using?o  I If you are logged onto the NT server using the same account that runs thepC FTP server do you see the files which have been deleted as actuallyiL deleted, or are they in the recycle bin?  If you empty the recycle bin from J that account do the "ghost" entries go away?  Can you configure the NT FTPI server to delete them immediately rather than leaving them in the recycleo bin?   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:42:20 +0200r= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>m( Subject: Re: NEED A .JPG VIEWER FOR VMS.) Message-ID: <39894C8C.850A0445@gtech.com>t  $ Jeff - Coachella Valley Water wrote:H > Does anyone know of a .jpg viewer that will run on Open VMS 6.2 on VAXF > 400 Model 90 Workstations. I only have a Fortran Compiler so I can't	 > rebuild0I > a C program. It has to be a .exe that will just run or a Fortran moduleR > that I can link.  A Very few grahics programs has been written in Fortran, so I thinky you should go for a binary.   : Several programs capable of displaying JPEG exist for VMS.  8 The two most obvious candidates must be Netscape and XV.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:40:23 -0700h1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>y9 Subject: Re: No Relay patch for MX 4.2 on Vax VMS 5.5-2 ?l3 Message-ID: <3988BF77.66953984@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>    Todd Wipke wrote:p > A > Please let me know if you have gotten the subject patch runninglA > on vax VMS, esp. if on 5.5-2.  I am getting an access violationS& > when Load_relay calls netlib_socket.
 > -Todd Wipke / >  remove "nospam" from my email address pleasey > TIAe    C    I got this running on VMS 7.1.  I had the same access violation.s@ Since the C program is compiled with VAXC, when I added the line   SYS$SHARE:VAXCRTL.EXE/SHARE   6 to the SERVER.OPT file the access violation went away.   --L Vance Haemmerle                         Internet   vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US2 Tucson, AZ                                        L http://condor.lpl.arizona.edu/~vance/   NSI-SPAN/HEPNET 47540::TOYVAX::VANCE   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:28:43 -0700 ? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid>S2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY9 Message-ID: <19b2be12.cdcb4ae1@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com>u  6 The file I was sending and receiving was 19845 blocks.< The network is mainly 10 Mb but is complex and in a state of? change at the moment. Therefore I know I must have gone through0? several routers, bridges and/or ether switches but I don't knowj, how many (we have a seperate network group).; The network is also busy and variable so I ran each test ato= least 5 times to get consistant results (and teh results weren= very consistant - although I would have been happier if I hadb# had time to use a much bigger file!   ; I reckon that 12-13 seconds work out at about 6-7 Mb and 34l seconds works out around 2.r@ It seems from that lttle test I did that it is not the pathworks> installation that is strange but the UCX installation - why is nodelay_ack not default??eA However, I havn't had time to try out the sockey DELAY option yet   9 Unfortunatly there is no chance of me getting an isolatedd? network to try this on in the near future but I suspect I wouldt= find things as you have suggested i.e. the file transfer with.= DELAY_ACK won't change but the NODELAY_ACK transfer would getc# even faster - but that supposition.e  < I would be interested to here any more you find out - I will2 post and more test results if I get time to do any   Mike    
 Mike Price7 All entries are personal opinion and do not necessarilyt represent those of my employer.n8 Any resemblence they have to reality may be coincidental  ; -----------------------------------------------------------u  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!t http://www.keen.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:16:35 GMTh% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>d2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY) Message-ID: <8mbgq0$f87$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   9 In article <19b2be12.cdcb4ae1@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com>,bB   Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid> wrote:> > I would be interested to here any more you find out - I will4 > post and more test results if I get time to do any  B Ok, I've now logged this with the CSC and have spoken to Pathworks? support in Holland. They confirm that it is a known problem but-C passed the problem back to TCPIP support. TCPIP support just calledcD and told me they are not aware of the problem but are going to check further.  @ From previous experience with Pathworks I used to find this lack= of communication fairly typical but was assured that this was  all a thing of the past.  @ So it really looks as if the disastrous Pathworks performance is@ not down to some fundamental Pathworks design flaw but just lack> of communication within Compaq. I'm sure there's a DELAYED ACK joke in here somewhere :)   ? Btw, on a fast ethernet LAN I can get 4MByte/sec write speed too; a Pathworks server (could maybe even boost this a bit) with D NODELAY_ACK. The NT server on the same LAN managed only 3.4Mbyte/sec  B I'll let you know when they get back to me (expected later today).   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:24:05 GMTg From: teroconnor@my-deja.com2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY) Message-ID: <8mbo91$kbm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   F >   > So you are seeing a roughly 3:1 performance improvement with UCX 4.2sE > if you set DELAY_ACK. Can you tell us the size of the test file andtF > the type of network (fast ethernet, atm etc). I seem to be seeing anC > improvement of at least 5:1 on a Fast Ethernet network with TCPIP=F > 5.0A. In fact on an unloaded network I think I'm getting nearer 10:1 > D I posted a question a while ago about poor Pathworks performance butE didn't receive any worthwile responses. This thread looks interesting ? but after doing some testing today I cannot see ANY performance D improvements by setting TCP to "NODELAY_ACK". I am running UCX v4.2.9 Here are the results of the test. I ran all copies twice.DE A 40,000 (20,000KB on the PC) block text file copied from a PathworksoE fileshare to a PC (both should be on a 100mb LAN and both on the samedB CISCO 2924 switch) took 21.5 seconds first time and 22 seconds the second time.F Going from the PC to VMS Pathworks fileshare it took 23 seconds on the+ first run and 30 seconds on the second run.y; After setting the DELAY_ACK to NODELAY_ACK the results are:hD VMS Pathworks share to PC -21 seconds on first run and 22 seconds on second.d( PC to PATHWORKS 28 seconds on both runs.> So no real improvement. Do I need to shutdown & restart UCX orD Pathworks after resetting the NODELAY_ACK ? All I did was disconnect and reconnect to the fileshare.f   Regards, Terry O'Connor    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:00:32 GMTb% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> 2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY) Message-ID: <8mc1ec$rp4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  ) In article <8mbo91$kbm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,    teroconnor@my-deja.com wrote:y >   F > I posted a question a while ago about poor Pathworks performance butG > didn't receive any worthwile responses. This thread looks interestinggA > but after doing some testing today I cannot see ANY performance F > improvements by setting TCP to "NODELAY_ACK". I am running UCX v4.2.; > Here are the results of the test. I ran all copies twice.-G > A 40,000 (20,000KB on the PC) block text file copied from a Pathworks G > fileshare to a PC (both should be on a 100mb LAN and both on the same D > CISCO 2924 switch) took 21.5 seconds first time and 22 seconds the > second time.H > Going from the PC to VMS Pathworks fileshare it took 23 seconds on the- > first run and 30 seconds on the second run.u= > After setting the DELAY_ACK to NODELAY_ACK the results are:oF > VMS Pathworks share to PC -21 seconds on first run and 22 seconds on	 > second.c* > PC to PATHWORKS 28 seconds on both runs.@ > So no real improvement. Do I need to shutdown & restart UCX orF > Pathworks after resetting the NODELAY_ACK ? All I did was disconnect! > and reconnect to the fileshare.s  F Ok, I just ran a test with a 20Mbyte file. Without NODELAY_ACK it tookD a whopping great 65 seconds to transfer the file PC => Pathworks andB with NODELAY_ACK it took 7 seconds. In my case the PC is connectedF to an ATM virtual LAN which is then switched to a 100Mbit/sec ethernetE via a Cisco switch (can't remember model) with a direct ATM uplink tof the Fore ATM switch.  G What version of Pathworks and VMS are you using. Here we have Vms 7.2-1t6 , Pathworks Advanced Server 7.2A and  TCPIP (UCX) 5.0A  D You don't have to restart Pathworks or UCX to implement the change - at least not under TCPIP 5.0A.  B It looks as if you are being limited to 10Mbit/sec ethernet speedsF somewhere although it might just be a co-incidence that you are maxingB out at this speed. Couple of thoughts: What does ADMIN/CONFIG showB as your Pathworks cache size? Mine is set to 65536KB. Also are youF sure that you are using the TCPIP stack and not raw Netbeui or DECNET?H I've seen cases where I thought I was using TCPIP but was actually usingD Netbeui because this is often installed by default. Netbeui can't do windowing IIRC.-  E The good news is that if I can get the time down to 7 seconds then it"A should be possible for you to do so as well. My guess is that thesD performance is very sensitive to UCX version, Pathworks version etc. --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:48:30 -0700n? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid>t2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY9 Message-ID: <00541338.4081a291@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com>r  ? FYI I am also using UCX 4.2 with eco 3 ( I think) I didn't shuty? anything down to get the performance improvements - didn't evene8 disconnect the file share. I simply did the UCX SET PROT TCP/NODELAY - nothing else@ I agree that it seems like something else is getting in your way9 outside VMS - may be tricky finding it if your network is ; complex - our network is complex but both boxes run at 10M.   
 Mike Price7 All entries are personal opinion and do not necessarily  represent those of my employer.i8 Any resemblence they have to reality may be coincidental  ; -----------------------------------------------------------0  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.u Up to 100 minutes free!f http://www.keen.comN   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 15:12:08 GMT.8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)9 Subject: Re: PCSI installation problem - missing database 6 Message-ID: <8mc248$kat$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <3987BC04.2561B7C7@rick.rdperf.com>, Rick Cadruvi <rick@rick.rdperf.com> writes: : >I accidently delete the .PCSI$DATABASE file for a product; >and now I CAN'T do anything.  I can't re-install.  I can'tb2 >remove.  I can't do anything with that product.   > B >I want to reinstall the product from the .PCSI file, but I can't. >o? >Does anyone know how to force PCSI to do an install when there ? >was already an install and the .PCSI$DATABASE file is missing?   F The PCSI$DATABASE files are an integrated set.  The various entries inH the product files are cross-referenced in PCSI$FILE_SYSTEM.PCSI$DATABASEH and in PCSI$ROOT.PCSI$DATABASE.  Because of this, if any of the databaseC files are missing, the PCSI utility generally cannot work with the r	 database.n  I If you cannot recover the deleted PCSI$DATABSE file from a recent backup, L then about the only thing you can do is to delet ALL the PCSI$DATABASE filesI ***AFTER MAKING A BACKUP OF YOUR SYSTEM DISK***.  Then re-install OpenVMSLA and re-install or just PRODUCT REGISTER all you layered products.a   -- nK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USASF          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 12:00 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)G Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMSh, Message-ID: <3AUG200012005419@gerg.tamu.edu>  2 "Chuck Shipman" <cshipman@earthlink.net> writes...E }>Please remember the parameters here -- the stipulation was that them1 }> recipient has no security software in advance.2 }>K }As Larry indicated, the recipient expects the message - it is an advice, a F }statement, etc. for a transaction the recipient originally initiated. } J }The sender is a standardized VMS username in the FROM field coming from a, }domain that includes the institutions name. } H }The subject line is a standardized format with a date and a transactionG }number (that correlates to the information provided when the recipientn }imitated the transaction).u } J }And lastly, the email will have been transmitted within 1 to 2 hours from0 }the time the initial transaction was initiated. } G }Thus, the message header provides the recipient with a fair modicum of I }security that the message is really from the financial institution.  All K }that is needed, is a means by which someone cannot VIEW the actual message . }unless they have a password to open the file. } I }Thus, getting back to my original question, is there any method by whichrI }this can be accomplished without the need for additional software on the L }recipients desktop?  One thought would be to use S/MIME as this is included }with Outlook/Exchange.2 }  }Any thoughts? }  }Chuck Shipman  H Another fairly obvious method is to not send the message. Send a pointerI to the message, or simple notification of the existance of a new message, F which is actually stored on a web server. The connection to the serverG can be secure via SSL. They can't read the message unless they know the2H username and password to get to it (which is protected in transit by the< encryption used by SSL, as is the message itself when sent).  F Advantages are that this requires no software on the client except theE e-mail software (to get any notification of there being a new message F waiting - if you don't need to notify them, perhaps because they checkF for them regularly, then they don't even need this) and a web broswer,H and they never have to run any program that they get via e-mail. This isD good for their security - having to run programs recieved via e-mailH should make anybody nervous, especially if they are expected to do it onF a regular basis. All it takes is one moment of not paying quite enough# attention to really mess things up.,  J The disadvantages that I can see at the moment would be that more reliableE net service is needed: rather than an e-mail slipping through and theaG transaction being done, you need a shor e-mail plus a connection to theaL server to actually get the text of the message - these days, this should notB be a problem in most places in the world that you are likely to beG communicating with. This also puts more load on your end of the deal ineF terms of storing the messages, and a slight additional processing loadE (running a web server and encrypting web communications including theoI messages, instead of just encrypting the messages and sending them). And,aE of course, you have to work out the details of how to do this on youreG end - possibly including writing a custom CGI script or something alongeH those lines, but you may be able to avoid that by using web based e-mailD type software (which has one known free solution, called yahMAIL - I9 have no idea how many, if any, non-free solutions exist).p  F Is this a better solution? I'm not sure. You'd have to decide that, as7 you are the one who knows the details of the situation.s   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 06:51:19 GMTl- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) 0 Subject: Re: PPL semaphore prolem on OpenVMS 6.25 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-TIjux1Vg5I3f@localhost>y  9 On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:07:34, defdannyd@my-deja.com wrote:t  C > For anyone interested, I just rolled my own using pthread_mutexes I > instead of going with the PPL semaphores. Now everything works great...   - Glad you got it working. Mutexes make sense. i   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 02:26:17 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>u Subject: Re: Quality( Message-ID: <8mb37q$evt$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3988CEFD.4171BDDB@earthlink.net...  > Bill Todd wrote:   ...a  H > > Seeing as the book I referenced is published by the Harvard Business SchoolK > > and based on its studies over the past 40+ years, I think that base hase > > already been touched.a >o3 > ...and maybe not. The source fails to impress me,   H Funny:  you're the one who suggested academia as an appropriate arbiter.    and the conclusions asoH > you cite them are preposterous, at best. There's FAR too much evidenceJ > to the contrary in today's market. I'd need to see extremely fine detailB > of the surveyors and their subjects before I could even consider> > believing anything so far out of touch with today's reality. >ND > Besides, do you believe for one moment that ANYone associated withI > Harvard is going to be so humble as to admit having been taken in by anw" > advertisement? I don't think so!  H Gee, let's see:  should I believe an experienced Harvard Business SchoolH author whose book, based heavily on the research the Business School hasK performed since the 1950s, has been applauded by the business establishment7L (Business Week, Financial Times, Bloomberg, Andy Grove, ...), or someone whoI has appeared to be something of an idiot more often than not in the past?.   Now, that's a tough one.   - bill   >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systemse > http://www.djesys.com/ >.< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/S   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 15:01:04 GMT-2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: Quality, Message-ID: <8mc1fg$8np@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  g In article <3988C976.B1FCC7E2@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >Jojimbo wrote:g >> rA >> I think the original post made a lot of sense.  Here are a fewl> >> things that VMS does not have that make it a non choice forA >> a lot of people.  (and an inconvenient choice for others).  Ifh@ >> you need to reply to the effect that this or that is not good8 >> and not necessary and DCL is better anyway, go ahead. >>   >> 1) Korn shell >c@ >Why? Just so your scripts will run on Linux or VMS, unmodified?  K No, not MY scripts, but everybody elses.  And yes, unmodified, or as close  L to it as possible.   Many packages I've seen come with a mishmash of sh and G csh scripts - it would be nice for once to be able to actually use themwI as supplied and not have to rewrite them into DCL.  Especially when they aK are a zillion lines long and totally uncommented.  (Alternatively, a sh or oH csh to DCL translator would suffice - but it would probably be easier to, get the shells running than the translator.)   >pH >F.Y.I.: ksh (csh, bash, etc.) lacks such things as F$xxxx(). So, to me, >it's really a wash. n  K Not to me.  Your argument is bogus when it comes to the utility of existingeK code - just because a program is written in a language you detest (which isrK basically what we're talking about here even though these are "only" shell rI scripts) doesn't mean that the program is not useful.  Nor should it meannI that VMS users have to rewrite it before they can use it.  On OpenVMS you-G can run programs written in C, Fortran, Pascal etc.  I think sh and cshwJ should be considered in that light - as interpreted programming languages.' And as such, they should be supported.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech L   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:06:13 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>e Subject: Re: Quality( Message-ID: <8mc577$g04$1@pyrite.mv.net>  7 Ramon L. Tate <taterskins@patriot.net> wrote in messagel> news:taterskins-ya023480000208002259200001@news.patriot.net...   ...l  I > And, after 25+ years in federal government IT, I will corroborate theseyL > observations. The MAJOR consideration is: is this product a "winner", i.e. > a market leader.  K Which reflects the general belief that the market operates at least to someeF degree rationally, hence reducing the need to expend effort on productD analysis.  Obviously not 100% true 100% of the time, but generally aI reasonable bet to make if you feel your time is too important to spend onh details.  9  Quality and features have little to do with the purchasew1 > decision one basic functionalilty is perceived.   F "On[c]e basic functionality is perceived" is the operative phrase thatL essentially defines commoditization.  I.e., what is 'good enough'.  "QualityD and features" *beyond* that point indeed "have little to do with theK purchase decision" - which is *precisely* what the paragraph I quoted said.e  J Might a more thorough investigation uncover reasons to consider additionalF 'quality and features' important?  Certainly.  And *that's* the job ofK marketing:  to make sure potential customers are aware of the features thathD *should* be important to them (and thus could elevate a product fromC 'commodity' status) - which is exactly  the point I stated earlier:nH "Marketing is necessary to make people aware of the options available to them."    The perceived marketwF > strength of the company (e.g. 3COM, Novell, Microsoft, IBM, Digital, Cisco,K > Dell, all at varying times in their history) is the single most importanttA > "feature", and the buyers will perform amazing contortions withlE > requirements specs to make sure that the market leader's product ise- > selected in competetive [sic] procurements.   G Company strength, like wide-spread product acceptance, gives purchasersb6 confidence to proceed without extensive investigation.   >aI > The second most important is PERCEIVED compatibility with other leading  > products.   D Just in case the superficial decision based on market leadership wasJ ill-founded, I suspect.  But the combination of the two is cheap insuranceI against truly bad decisions without the effort (or competence)required tos make a truly *good* decision.n  @  And again, the last sentence in the foregoing paragraph appliesH > equally with respect to this consideration, too. If you (1) aren't theG > market leader and (2) are perceived as "incompatible" with the marketc/ > leader's products, you are below the horizon.n  F Sounds just like what I've been saying about VMS for a long time.  AndK neither point can be changed by marketing alone.  But if VMS were to becomee@ reasonably compatible (e.g., support a reasonably complete LinuxJ environment), then making sure the market was informed of that (plus VMS's% additional strengths) would be vital.a   - bill   >: > -- > Ramon L. Taten > Casa MaaD? > taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:27:58 +0100oB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Quality) Message-ID: <39899D8E.B09A9A7@uk.sun.com>t   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Jojimbo wrote: > > B > > I think the original post made a lot of sense.  Here are a few? > > things that VMS does not have that make it a non choice forlB > > a lot of people.  (and an inconvenient choice for others).  IfA > > you need to reply to the effect that this or that is not good09 > > and not necessary and DCL is better anyway, go ahead.5 > >n > > 1) Korn shell2 >cA > Why? Just so your scripts will run on Linux or VMS, unmodified?s >e  < Yes why would this not be a good thing. A lot of software is; scripted or wrapped in scripts, making these scripts easilyr7 portable by for example supporting the Korn shell wouldf hardly be a bad thing.   > I > F.Y.I.: ksh (csh, bash, etc.) lacks such things as F$xxxx(). So, to me,eE > it's really a wash. Also, remember that UN*X lacks RMS. So, there's E > nothing built into any shell that can provide similar functionalitysH > (unless someone has linked C-ISAM or something similar into one of the
 > shells). >i  @ Oh come on are you trying to suggest that Compaq should not port@ and support the Korn shell because you don't like it and because; its missing some functionality that you consider to be key.e  > Lets extend this a bit more, you probably don't like C. So you= should stop using Netscape if you do, disconnect your OpenVMSnG boxes from the internet, we don't want to use an IP stack thats written @ in C do we and while you are at it throw, SAMBA, Apache, Mozzila@ etc into the dustbin as well because they are also written in C.  A Sure RMS isn't available for UNIX but then thats hardly the point C is it, we are talking about tools that assist people in moving appsg9 from Linux/UNIX to OpenVMS and not the other way arround.N  @ You attitude seems to be roughly equivalent to a patient waiting@ for a heart transplant who turns down a viable heart because the donor had athletes foot.  D This is exactly the attitude that makes people observing the OpenVMSD market from the outside draw the obvious conclusion that its doomed.   regards  Andrew Harrisont Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 12:48:35 -0400l/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)s Subject: Re: Quality* Message-ID: <8mc7p3$nqn$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ) In article <39899D8E.B09A9A7@uk.sun.com>,eD Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >:A >You attitude seems to be roughly equivalent to a patient waitingkA >for a heart transplant who turns down a viable heart because thes >donor had athletes foot.u >eE >This is exactly the attitude that makes people observing the OpenVMSiE >market from the outside draw the obvious conclusion that its doomed.  >n   I couldn't agree more.  B The insular, NIH attitude of the OpenVMS user community is perhaps4 the biggest obstacle to OpenVMS market acceptance.    @ Windows also suffers from a similar insular attitude among their< Engineering and Development people, but Windows has a numberB of other offsetting factors (billions in marketing and development come to mind) to overcome this.l   >regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect >e >l >    -Jordan Henderson- jordan@greenapple.com-   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 12:27 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)p Subject: re: quality, Message-ID: <3AUG200012274763@gerg.tamu.edu>  3 Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes...tE }The key to this debate is that people make buying decisions based ontM }*percieved* quality, which may or may not correlate well with actual quality9# }measured with a scientific metric.k } E }> How did CD's gain acceptance in the face of phonographs which wereT }> common before then? } M }percieved quality and actual quality pretty much aligned. It helped that theoL }least discriminating listeners were also inn general the ones least likely A }to take good care of their vinyl disks, ie scratched them or gotoE }fingerprints on them or just wore them out with cheap stylii, thingsAE }that CDs are immune to or much more resistant to. So it was probably ? }usability rather than fundamental quality that won it for CDs.   E There is also the size advantage: A CD is smaller than an LP. It alsooD holds a bit more music.  And you don't have to flip it over half wayJ through. I expect that that "no-flip" factor is actually pretty important.  J }> How did SUVs gain acceptance in the face of cheap, fuel efficient cars? } E }percieved quality is subjective, and the SUV is a fashion statement,OF }every bit as much as flared trousers or crinolines were in their day.F }In ten years time, must SUVs will be scrap and the rest treasured by G }collectors of late-1990s-automobiles, just as wierd slabs with lots of@' }chrome and fins at the back are today!n  F There is also the perceived (and mostly real, aside from the increasedG probability of rolling in some cases) safty factor. The bigger the hunkCJ of steel that you are in, the more likely you are to survive the accident.   }		Nigel Arnot   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 08:48:49 -0500.9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)wY Subject: Re: Re Alliance Technical Update (was Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: Ct+ Message-ID: <hyE$QY5z6psh@eisner.decus.org>d  X In article <sohfedeodbm44@corp.supernews.com>, "Andrew Mould" <ram@softsell.com> writes:  N > We seem to have reached the conclusion that the ATU has been dropped. That's
 > a shame. > H > I think Bill's right that we have to let the powers that be within CSAN > realize that a vacuum has been created by the dropping of the event. We alsoN > need to find some advocates of the event within Compaq as well; perhaps MikeN > Hamersky (the old Tandem program manager) or Jerry Messina (the guy who used > to organize the ATU's).t > L > I don't know if I'd like a co-located event. I'd be happy if it took placeM > just before or after ITUG (or CETS, or whatever). The important thing would H > be the format which I detailed elsewhere, and which I personally think > worked well.  ; DEC used to have a Partners conference once a year as well,,8 and it would be good of CSA could get this sort of thing< going again.  I think you will find some DEC ISVs interested= in considering the NSK platform, so having a joint conferenced= with parallel sessions would be helpful (and might create them) critical mass to make Compaq support it).o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:26:36 -0400& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>Y Subject: Re: Re Alliance Technical Update (was Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: C.1 Message-ID: <8mbruu$9k$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>   = > DEC used to have a Partners conference once a year as well, : > and it would be good of CSA could get this sort of thing> > going again.  I think you will find some DEC ISVs interested? > in considering the NSK platform, so having a joint conferenceh? > with parallel sessions would be helpful (and might create theh+ > critical mass to make Compaq support it).l    K Partnervision or whatever it is called is happening in September I believe.rG CETS is designed to by CSA to be the technical conference for partners.      --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cclE ===================================================================== F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:hyE$QY5z6psh@eisner.decus.org...,? > In article <sohfedeodbm44@corp.supernews.com>, "Andrew Mould"m <ram@softsell.com> writes: >eI > > We seem to have reached the conclusion that the ATU has been dropped.e That's > > a shame. > >uJ > > I think Bill's right that we have to let the powers that be within CSAK > > realize that a vacuum has been created by the dropping of the event. Wer alsoK > > need to find some advocates of the event within Compaq as well; perhapsl MikeK > > Hamersky (the old Tandem program manager) or Jerry Messina (the guy whoi used > > to organize the ATU's).c > >iH > > I don't know if I'd like a co-located event. I'd be happy if it took placedI > > just before or after ITUG (or CETS, or whatever). The important thingt wouldyJ > > be the format which I detailed elsewhere, and which I personally think > > worked well. >y= > DEC used to have a Partners conference once a year as well,f: > and it would be good of CSA could get this sort of thing> > going again.  I think you will find some DEC ISVs interested? > in considering the NSK platform, so having a joint conferencet? > with parallel sessions would be helpful (and might create the + > critical mass to make Compaq support it).    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:25:23 -0400& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>Y Subject: Re: Re Alliance Technical Update (was Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: C02 Message-ID: <8mbvdn$hop$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  6 This was the response I received from the CSA folks...  D "   Jeff we are currently planning a one day event prior to ITUG forB partners. This one day will deal exclusively with in depth futuresE presentations, that will include roadmaps, migration to alpha, etc. ":  > ...again ITUG should be communicating this stuff and not me...     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc.E =====================================================================e1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> wrote in messageT+ news:8mbruu$9k$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...I? > > DEC used to have a Partners conference once a year as well, < > > and it would be good of CSA could get this sort of thing@ > > going again.  I think you will find some DEC ISVs interestedA > > in considering the NSK platform, so having a joint conferenceaA > > with parallel sessions would be helpful (and might create theo- > > critical mass to make Compaq support it).F >t >mD > Partnervision or whatever it is called is happening in September I believe.I > CETS is designed to by CSA to be the technical conference for partners.r >  >i > -- >t >g > Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc G > =====================================================================aH > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message' > news:hyE$QY5z6psh@eisner.decus.org...kA > > In article <sohfedeodbm44@corp.supernews.com>, "Andrew Mould"s > <ram@softsell.com> writes: > >sK > > > We seem to have reached the conclusion that the ATU has been dropped., > That's > > > a shame. > > >sL > > > I think Bill's right that we have to let the powers that be within CSAJ > > > realize that a vacuum has been created by the dropping of the event. We > alsoE > > > need to find some advocates of the event within Compaq as well;t perhapsb > MikeI > > > Hamersky (the old Tandem program manager) or Jerry Messina (the guyP whon > used > > > to organize the ATU's).o > > >oJ > > > I don't know if I'd like a co-located event. I'd be happy if it took > placegK > > > just before or after ITUG (or CETS, or whatever). The important thingc > wouldaL > > > be the format which I detailed elsewhere, and which I personally think > > > worked well. > >e? > > DEC used to have a Partners conference once a year as well,i< > > and it would be good of CSA could get this sort of thing@ > > going again.  I think you will find some DEC ISVs interestedA > > in considering the NSK platform, so having a joint conferenceoA > > with parallel sessions would be helpful (and might create thes- > > critical mass to make Compaq support it).  >1 >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:19:12 +0200e2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>) Subject: Re: SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut.s3 Message-ID: <39898D70.84DE085A@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>    If you give $ $TCPIP show service smbd /full /perm8 you see that it uses the logical SAMBA_ROOT for the file  7 Therefore before Samba_startup is executed nothing willl6 work even not $TCPIP enable servic smbd. Best solution$ define samba-root in sylogicals.com.   Regards  Otto -- d,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:53:42 +0200 (MET DST)a& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>? Subject: Re: Support of PowerStorm 300/350 under OpenVMS 7.1-2?r6 Message-ID: <200008030650.IAA10505@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Ken Randell wrotes:o   >>> J Support for P300 and P350 for VMS 7.1-2 (other versions available as well}* is now available via patch ... details at:  4 ftp.service.../dec-axpvms-vms712_p350-v100--4.readme <<<e  K I did not found this patch. I did found only a patch for OpenVMS 7.2-1, theeI newer one version of OpenVMS. There is no note, that I can use this patch-J also for OpenVMS 7.1-2. Do Ken have newer/other information. Is this patchD to new, to find them on the normal site? I did search the ITS withinH Germany and the TIS under the WIS.SERVICE.DIGITAL.DE WEBpage without any	 success. -   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:27:10 +0900w2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>? Subject: Re: Support of PowerStorm 300/350 under OpenVMS 7.1-2?e+ Message-ID: <3989732D.60AEDE48@digital.com>t   Try G http://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/ <-- Note the dir.t3  ...dec-axpvms-vms712_p350-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe10 (line broken due to length - cut out the "..." ): This is an Alpha executable which when run expands to the 
 patch kit.   Mike   Rudolf Wingert wrote:a >  > Hello, >  > Ken Randell wrotes:i >  > >>>sL > Support for P300 and P350 for VMS 7.1-2 (other versions available as well}, > is now available via patch ... details at: > 6 > ftp.service.../dec-axpvms-vms712_p350-v100--4.readme > <<<e > M > I did not found this patch. I did found only a patch for OpenVMS 7.2-1, the-K > newer one version of OpenVMS. There is no note, that I can use this patchoL > also for OpenVMS 7.1-2. Do Ken have newer/other information. Is this patchF > to new, to find them on the normal site? I did search the ITS withinJ > Germany and the TIS under the WIS.SERVICE.DIGITAL.DE WEBpage without any
 > success. >   > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   -- oE ---------------------------------------------------------------------iE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that."? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 14:48:57 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: Tandem content at CETS2000 (was: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and worki 6 Message-ID: <8mc0op$k4t$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  b In article <OY%h5.43276$qS3.84807@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "John Furlong" <jfurlong@merlon.com> writes:K :I am an ex-Tandem employee, and since I left (a long time ago) I've always E :been amazed at the difference in the amount and quality of technical(E :information that was available to outsiders (much, much less than ton :insiders).n  F   That isn't a particular surprise -- the amount and the detail of theF   internally-available information on OpenVMS itself far exceeds what    is available externally.  L :In the last little while I've noticed a big increase in the amount of info.G :that I receive from Compaq (in the form of eMail, magazines, mail-outs L :etc.).  The trouble is that its 100% marketing material, and almost none ofK :it is relevant to NSK (which is the only Compaq platform I'm involved with  :right now).  F   Compaq spends rather more attention to marketing than did DIGITAL orG   Tandem, and actively markets to a far wider audience of technical andi%   non-technical and managerial folks.l  J :Historically, the ATU was the best source of technical info for partners.  D   Various folks here in OpenVMS have made it a point to cram as muchD   technical content into the DECUS events as we can, and to continueH   to provide the same level of content for the CETS events -- the fellowG   managing the technical presentations has gone out of his way to cram nG   as much technical content into the sessions as he can get.  (I found oI   myself in the unusual and rather uncomfortable position of arguing for t?   somewhat less technical content, as a result of his efforts.)   G   The ASE events also tend to have higher levels of technical content, tF   and are particularly targeted toward partners and resellers -- over F   the last couple of ASE events, OpenVMS has been providing technical I   sessions specifically targeted at resellers and partners.   (We startedlF   with just two sessions at the Toronto ASE conference, and have been J   expanding since.)  AFAIK, the same holds for the NSK/Himalaya/Integrity     information at the ASE events.   H   I am expecting to present on the "ASE" track at CETS2000, particularlyJ   a session I was to have presented at Munich.  (Life had gotten into the J   way of my attendence at the Munich event, unfortunately.)  Also at leastI   one technical BOF, and donno if I'm doing the technical update session  J   on the OpenVMS general track this time 'round.  There are various other I   technical sessions scheduled for the "ASE" and OpenVMS tracks, as well.iI   (BTW, I have no idea what the official name for the session track that t@   I have been refering to as the "ASE" track might actually be.)  ;   Other options and Compaq information resources available:b  "     The Compaq inFORM publication:  #       http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/h  0     Compaq Solutions Alliance Technical Journal:   7       http://csa.compaq.com/CompaqTechnicalJournal.html   ;     The Compaq Solutions Alliance (CSA, ASE, ACT programs):s         http://csa.compaq.com/  $     And the Compaq training website:  %       http://www.compaq.com/training/   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:33:13 +1000/ From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au>3/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...n3 Message-ID: <Bd9i5.68231$N4.1878744@ozemail.com.au>q  7 Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in message.8 news:hshubs-0DEF32.20281702082000@news.mindspring.com...C > In article <F168WiqJmdTcjJxWY5p00001fee@hotmail.com>, Pedro Vienat! > <contracer2@hotmail.com> wrote:t >sF > >    I?d like know if the print server?s port 1 is printing or idle.5 > >    How can I make this in a single line command ?l > >    I?m using VMS V7.2m >e > Write a command procedure. which would contain?E I have previously tried to access jet cards using telnet in a command 4 procedure without success - using vms 7.1 & ucx 5.0aE I thought something like this would work to get configuration details  $! $ telnet nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn $deck  /i exit $eod $exitm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:44:36 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> / Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...i) Message-ID: <39894D14.8CF90E28@gtech.com>d   Pedro Viena wrote:I >   How can I issue a Telnet command and extract informations like this ?r >  >     $ telnet 15.0.0.21 > # >        welcome to print server...1 >  >       >monitor >  >       (p1) state: idle >  >       (p2) state: idle >  >       (p3) state: printing > 
 >       >exits  F Get something that can send input to a pseudo-terminal and log output.  - F.ex. ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/pub/vms/ptd/ptd.zip (= 1 http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/ptd/ptd.zip).e   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:46:17 +0200d= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...h( Message-ID: <39894D78.C5591AA@gtech.com>   Howard S Shubs wrote:cC > In article <F168WiqJmdTcjJxWY5p00001fee@hotmail.com>, Pedro Vienah! > <contracer2@hotmail.com> wrote:rF > >    I?d like know if the print server?s port 1 is printing or idle.5 > >    How can I make this in a single line command ?  > >    I?m using VMS V7.2n >  > Write a command procedure.   ????  ? What TELNET program can you get to read input from a COM-file ?w   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:48:51 +0200>= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...n) Message-ID: <39894E12.D98B851E@gtech.com>b   Phil Howell wrote:9 > Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in messageh: > news:hshubs-0DEF32.20281702082000@news.mindspring.com...E > > In article <F168WiqJmdTcjJxWY5p00001fee@hotmail.com>, Pedro Vienao# > > <contracer2@hotmail.com> wrote:/H > > >    I?d like know if the print server?s port 1 is printing or idle.7 > > >    How can I make this in a single line command ?h > > >    I?m using VMS V7.2a > >t > > Write a command procedure. > which would contain?G > I have previously tried to access jet cards using telnet in a commandw6 > procedure without success - using vms 7.1 & ucx 5.0aG > I thought something like this would work to get configuration detailsD > $! > $ telnet nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn > $deck  > // > exit > $eod > $exitp  3 TELNET does not like to read input from a COM-file.s  9 Get something that creates a pseudo-terminal and puts thee# file input and output through that.n  - F.ex. ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/pub/vms/ptd/ptd.zip (= 1 http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/ptd/ptd.zip).   D Which was something I wrote to do a MC NCP CONN NODE or SET HOST/MOP) to DECservers (basicly the same problem).    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:43:04 -0400p, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...t> Message-ID: <hshubs-C63809.07430303082000@news.mindspring.com>  5 In article <39894D78.C5591AA@gtech.com>, Arne Vajhoj V <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:   @ >What TELNET program can you get to read input from a COM-file ?  C Never tried it, myself.  Why wouldn't it work?  Set SYS$COMMAND as V needed.A   -- B Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:58:22 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>n/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...e) Message-ID: <39895E5E.5D89C865@gtech.com>m   Howard S Shubs wrote: 6 > In article <39894D78.C5591AA@gtech.com>, Arne Vajhoj! > <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:fB > >What TELNET program can you get to read input from a COM-file ? > D > Never tried it, myself.  Why wouldn't it work?  Set SYS$COMMAND as	 > needed.   : Redefining SYS$COMMAND / SYS$INPUT / SYS$OUTPUT only works for IO using RMS calls.R  @ IO using SYS$QIOW or SMG$ will not work with such redefinitions.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:50:23 +0200<5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>"/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...m- Message-ID: <3989789F.509B0BEF@whitehouse.nl>'   Pedro Viena wrote: > =   
 > Hi guys: > =h  J >   How can I issue a Telnet command and extract informations like this ?=   > =h   >     $ telnet 15.0.0.21 > =n  # >        welcome to print server...- > =    >       >monitor > =t   >       (p1) state: idle > =a   >       (p2) state: idle > =s   >       (p3) state: printing > =   
 >       >exitl > =l  J >     I=B4d like know if the print server=B4s port 1 is printing or idle.=   > =   4 >     How can I make this in a single line command ?  G You can use outbound tn devices for this (TELNET> help create_session).vE =46rom there you can open the created tn device from dcl and read andt write to it.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:47:21 +0200s5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>i5 Subject: Re: UCX - Problems with Upgrade to 4.2 ECO 4s- Message-ID: <398977E9.11B03B26@whitehouse.nl>.   "Randy K. Gullick" wrote:p   H > Has anyone else run into similar problems and come up with a solution.L > Going back to ECO 2 isn't the preferred solution either but its what we're > now looking at.   E This is probably a bug introduced in the tndriver. You might try onlyy( restoring the old tndriver (and reboot).   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:43:48 +0200o5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>i) Subject: Re: UCX 4.1 to 4.2 upgrade query - Message-ID: <39897714.4859BF5B@whitehouse.nl>e   Adrian Birkett wrote:t >  > Hi,  > ! > Alphaserver 4000 5/400, VMS=7.1n > J > I can't see anything in the installation quide, but does anybody know ofH > any 'gotchas' when upgrading from UCX 4.1 to 4.2. Call me paranoid but > this has to work first time!  G I would also install the latest V4.2 ECO (eco 4 if I am correct). There A is no need to reboot between installing V4.2 and the eco. So youro sequence of actions would be:m   - Shutdown UCX - product install ucx (v4.2) - product install ucxeco4s - reboot   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:20:55 -0400e' From: David Beatty <dabeat@wnt.sas.com> ) Subject: Re: UCX 4.1 to 4.2 upgrade querye2 Message-ID: <jo2JOZ+aCMpMfrIAdkw=jgMo3ine@4ax.com>  B When I did an upgrade of UCX from V4.1 ECO 9 to V4.2 ECO 3 I had aD problem getting UCX to run correctly until I rebooted a second time.* You may want to factor a second reboot in.   David R. Beatty   3 On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:43:48 +0200, Oswald Knoppersl& <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> wrote:   >Adrian Birkett wrote: >>   >> Hi, >> p" >> Alphaserver 4000 5/400, VMS=7.1 >> wK >> I can't see anything in the installation quide, but does anybody know of I >> any 'gotchas' when upgrading from UCX 4.1 to 4.2. Call me paranoid butS >> this has to work first time!p >rH >I would also install the latest V4.2 ECO (eco 4 if I am correct). ThereB >is no need to reboot between installing V4.2 and the eco. So your >sequence of actions would be: >- >- Shutdown UCX- >- product install ucx (v4.2)a >- product install ucxeco4	 >- reboota >o	 >Regards,  >- >Oswald-   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:59:51 GMTe From: jnchambless@my-deja.com3- Subject: Re: Upgrade Questions - 7.1 to 7.2-1.) Message-ID: <8mc4tj$umq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>m  E When upgrading the SRM console, from the version you are at, you will E need to upgrade to V5.3 first.  The reason is that AlphaBios gets re-<D located in the firmware.  You need to perform that step and then theC SRM console.  This requires performing the install twice.  Once forp AlphaBios and once for the SRM.   C Once you have upgraded to V5.3 you can go directly to V5.7 and onlyVA perform the install once.  The console will then "know" where thee AlphaBios lives.  C I think that since you will never use the AlphaBios ( NT ) support,sF that you would not have to upgrade it, but I personally would never do? that as I do not know what other problems would be encountered.   G The upgrade took me 4 hours and 40 minutes.  We are a 3 node Alpha 4100 E cluster.  I had to upgrade ( 2 times each ) for each member to get toj- V5.3 and then ( 1 time each ) to get to V5.6.l   Hope this helps...  2 In article <gleIOdSpO4kl0471OgxRMZyrJySB@4ax.com>,   dabeat@wnt.sas.com wrote:  >e > See my comments below. >rG > On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:54:01 GMT, "J.G. Peters" <jpeters@sctcorp.com>t > wrote: >r
 > >Greetings.  > >nH > >I've been asked (should say, told) to upgrade the OS from 7.1 to 7.2- 1.H > >Currently, we have an Alphaserver 2100 4/200 and a VAX 4300 cluster -H > >separate system disks. The VAX is due to be "decommissioned" in Sept.H > >Eventually, I will remove it from the cluster and the Alpha will be aF > >standalone. Does it make sense to upgrade it? Can the two different > >versions coexist "happily?" >aG > Yes.  We are running a mixed architecture, mixed version cluster thatcE > includes V6.2 (VAX and Alpha), V7.1 (VAX and Alpha) and V7.2-1.  Itw > runs just fine like that.J >c > >5G > >It appears that a firmware upgrade is also in order. I've never done  one H > >before. We're at 3.8 now. I have 5.3 and 5.4. media in my possession.8 > >Do I have to go to 5.3 and then 5.4 or is 5.3 enough? >iF > Depends.  Sometimes you can go straight there and sometimes you haveF > to go to an intermediate version.  It should be in the release notesD > for the firmware.  BTW, the latest firmware is V5.7.  The firmware6 > upgrade is so fast it should make little difference. >u > >:B > >We run Decnet Phase IV and have no reason to go to Decnet Plus.F > >Does this have to be installed separately? I seem to recall reading' > >about Decnet upgrade horror stories.l > E > The upgrade for Decnet Phase IV is an installation option while you,G > are upgrading the O/S.  If you are running UCX, the upgrade to TCP/IPy? > V5.0A can also be done at this time, as can DecWindows Motif.e >c > >dE > >I've never done an OpenVMS OS upgrade. I'm reading the 7.2 ReleasenF > >Notes, Upgrade and Installation and New Features manuals. The 7.2-19 > >package contains just letters and media. Are there any- other "gotchas"e7 > >I should be aware of? I appreciate any and all help.s > >n >aE > If you have installed any DEC C patches, you might need to back out:H > that patch prior to upgrading V7.1.  Also, check any layered products,$ > they may require upgrades as well. >@
 > >Thanks. > >m > >Joe > >u > >r >s >s    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:13:57 -0500t/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>A2 Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 SCSI Expansion with QbusO Message-ID: <27D26CD467C9ED4D.7933F3A4B20595F7.2C8DFE5F88EDE99B@lp.airnews.net>o   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > G > Quick question for any 4000 hardware experts...  Does anyone have any E > experience with the QBUS expansion capabilities of the 4000/100 and G > using the extended QBUS backplane to run additional SCSI adapters forSE > disk storage?  Can this be done and if so, what type of performanceaD > could be anticipated?  Any better than the DSSI to SCSI conversion > route?  A I'm not familiar with the specifics of the Q-bus on the 4000-100.   H However, the Q-bus in general is limited to 3MB/sec throughput.  I would7 be surprised if the 4000-100 runs any faster than that.a  E So, if the DSSI/SCSI route can transfer more than 3MB/sec, I would gog5 that route if you are looking to maximize throughput.)  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------0$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com t   Fax: 817-237-3074.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:44:16 +0100a- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>n2 Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 SCSI Expansion with Qbus) Message-ID: <3989A160.AE229684@bbc.co.uk>o   Chris Scheers wrote:   > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > > I > > Quick question for any 4000 hardware experts...  Does anyone have anymG > > experience with the QBUS expansion capabilities of the 4000/100 andeI > > using the extended QBUS backplane to run additional SCSI adapters forSG > > disk storage?  Can this be done and if so, what type of performance F > > could be anticipated?  Any better than the DSSI to SCSI conversion
 > > route? >=C > I'm not familiar with the specifics of the Q-bus on the 4000-100.. >p  L There's a milti-way connector on the back of the box near the SCSI connector  G to which you can connect an expansion Qbus cabinet. Had one at one site  once.    >eJ > However, the Q-bus in general is limited to 3MB/sec throughput.  I would9 > be surprised if the 4000-100 runs any faster than that.l >t   me too.h   > G > So, if the DSSI/SCSI route can transfer more than 3MB/sec, I would go 7 > that route if you are looking to maximize throughput.t  K  but neither is going to be blindingly fast. However, a BA350 with an HSD05oL sure takes up a lot less room and I'd guess it eats less power. I would also
 guess thatJ if one of the interfaces might give any weird hardware related problems it would more likely % be the Qbus rather than the DSSI bus.h  G Tim, who has some RZ28's on HSD05's attached to several 4000-100's, andn hasn't beens0 inside a Qbus for several years now, thankfully.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukc  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofr MedAS or the BBC.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:45:40 GMTt% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>-, Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best) Message-ID: <8mbm14$ioi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>:  3 In article <OJETIEp6YQbe@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>,nF   Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote:D >         Summarizing what others have said, plus my own experience: >l; >            If you intend to use modem, stay with DSN 1.2xoD >            If you need a faster connection, e.g., IP, use DSN 2.2E  E At one point Internet connections to DSN weren't supported in the UK.u* I'll have to check if this is allowed now.  D Also as our internet access goes via a firewall can you confirm that. you can configure DSN 2.2E to use a web proxy?   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:30:21 -0400e' From: David Beatty <dabeat@wnt.sas.com>l, Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best2 Message-ID: <eHOJOSU88GJQ00lpvkXTlnJZEPcy@4ax.com>  E I'm not sure.  There might be a way to play with the route map.  OursrB passes directly through the firewall; if you can get the folks whoB maintain your firewall to allow you to connect directly out, that ( would probably be the easiest way to go.   David R. BeattyS SAS Institute, Inc.A  A On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:45:40 GMT, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>  wrote:  4 >In article <OJETIEp6YQbe@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>,G >  Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX:n >926-3515) wrote:oE >>         Summarizing what others have said, plus my own experience:n >>< >>            If you intend to use modem, stay with DSN 1.2xE >>            If you need a faster connection, e.g., IP, use DSN 2.2Eu >nF >At one point Internet connections to DSN weren't supported in the UK.+ >I'll have to check if this is allowed now.e >wE >Also as our internet access goes via a firewall can you confirm that / >you can configure DSN 2.2E to use a web proxy?d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:09:34 -0700i2 From: Udo Kaul <udo.kaulNOudSPAM@merck.de.invalid># Subject: Re: Web Base Telnet clients9 Message-ID: <079bd185.6cb18612@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com>n  : Try PowerTerm Java from Ericom Software ( www.ericom.com )) You con download a 30 day evolution Pack.    udo.kaul@merck.deh     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifulr   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:18:54 -0500) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>.# Subject: Re: Web Base Telnet client / Message-ID: <soionn1udbm179@corp.supernews.com>s  4 "Bill Stouffer" <farm@erie.network> wrote in message) news:sohoe5j0dbm180@corp.supernews.com... 9 > Does have experience or an option to offer on accessing-- > VMS systems via a web based telnet session.   9 Here is one that is under the GNU General Public License:r   http://www.mud.de/se/jta/A  > I have used it a little bit to access DECUSERVE, but not much.   -Johne wb8ytw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:40:11 -0400A* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com># Subject: Re: Web Base Telnet cliento+ Message-ID: <3989844B.F5521A8B@rtfmcsi.com>o   Bill Stouffer wrote:  K > Does have experience or an option to offer on accessing VMS systems via a- > web based telnet session. J > I need to provide 700 Windows 2K and NT machines assess to a VAX running# > TcpWare and an Alpha running UCX. G > Client based options are quickly becoming expensive and cumbersome to- > maintain.- >- > Bill Stouffer- > bill_stouffer@lord.com  M WRQ, which makes the Reflection terminal emulation software, has a Java-basednM terminal emulator that runs in your browser or in its own window.  I did some-F testing with the product about a year ago and it was pretty stable and functioned just fine for me.     Chuck5 -- Chuck Choppo  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerC                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.comd   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:18:50 -0400c' From: David Beatty <dabeat@wnt.sas.com>hY Subject: Re: where can i find some installation and configuration documetation about the ?2 Message-ID: <DmOJOVegCG3gehR7p4aYECPirYBW@4ax.com>  F http://www.support.process.com/documentation/tcpware-docs/tcpware.html   David R. Beattyo SAS Institute, Inc.l  - On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:17:47 -0700, kilvon wue+ <kilvon_wuNOkiSPAM@yeah.net.invalid> wrote:   5 >where can i find some installation and configurationo  >documetation about the TCPware? >c >Thanks!
 >kilvon wu >a >p >* Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2000 08:19:09 -0500D9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)-) Subject: Yes please, a PDF Viewer for VAX0+ Message-ID: <cpBfqJEVbMwv@eisner.decus.org>u   In article <B0839F4BE3804A15.7680F1E1D0E805FE.5E668B4D9BBA30E0@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:  > Brian Tillman wrote: >> AL >> >Applied Synergy, Inc. is pleased to announce the ASI PDF Viewer V1.0 for >> >OpenVMS! >> ... >> >Java is NOT required.? >> e6 >> If this latter is true, why is an Alpha required??? >  > I > Because the VAX port hasn't been done yet.  It will be done if there is- > sufficient interest. > < > If anyone is interested in a VAX port, please let me know.  + Yes, I am as interested in VAX as in Alpha.e  * Of course all interest depends on pricing.  1 > The anticipated target for a VAX port would be:  >  > 	OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 or later > 	DEC/C RTLs (VMS V5.5-2 only)h! > 	DECwindows Motif V1.1 or laterN  > Let me offer my sympathy.  That knee of the requirements curve? for VAX layered products is a tough one, and I congratulate you  for aiming high.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.431 ************************