1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 06 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 436       Contents:( Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alpha New KZP? Re: Quality  Re: Quality ( VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VT, Re: VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VT, RE: VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VT, RE: VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VT RE: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS 2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?  : defining internet on vms  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:43:29 +0200 + From: Harald van Pee <pee@iskp.uni-bonn.de> 1 Subject: Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alpha 0 Message-ID: <398C7C71.6638E9E2@iskp.uni-bonn.de>  " byer@cartman.ourservers.net wrote: > Hope this helps... Yes  many thanks    ------------------------------   Date: 05 Aug 2000 19:45:28 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.)  Subject: New KZP? : Message-ID: <20000805154528.11741.00004661@ng-md1.aol.com>  O Rumor has it Compaq is introducing a new KZP.  Does anyone have any information L on this device?  In particular will it be available for VMS or is it another UNIX only device?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:20:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Quality, Message-ID: <398C5AF4.383788D7@videotron.ca>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:I > I avoided C as long as I could but there are realities, however strange 0 > that they may be, and I had to start using it.  M I think that this mentality is what is a big hindrance to the success of VMS. N VMS folks tend to stick to thing they know works, things they know are robust,K and they tend to stick to techniques that are simple, not fancy, but robust M and easy to document. Yes, the end result is a much more robust and easier to  manage system.  N However, meanwhile, the rest of the world is moving at a rapid pace on freshlyK poured cement that hasn't set yet, and attempting to build skyscrapers with N tools such as C++, JAVA, VB, VC++ and all sorts of Microsoft materials we tend= to consider hazardous and wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.   M Yes, many building do crumble, but you know what, they just continue to build K them with the same tools/materials until they get it right. And eventually,  they will get it right.   M Where does that leave us ? With antiquated tools and no experience with those K newfangled tools/materials. And when we do wake up and smell the coffee and L are forced to jumped on that "new materials/tools" worls, are are way behindJ in terms of experience on how to build something with such dangerous tools that won't crumble.   N VMS was in a leadsership position back in the 80s because it not only have theK mainframe's legacy COBOL and FORTRAN, but also had that newfangled language N called C. But now, there seems to be resistance to adopt the new tools because% we don't feel they are robust enough.   L I think that VMS (and its loyal supporters) should be *quicker* to adopt theL newfangled trendy tools. I have a feeling that there is strong resistance toM such tools. Perhaps because we are jealous that Microsoft has stolen the show % from VMS and don't want to admit it ?    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2000 22:45:30 CDT = From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: Quality. Message-ID: <rAZaqsAU0mk3@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  \ In article <8mhd8i$85p$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes: > H > Are you sure that the maintainers rejected the VMS mods?  Or were theyF > ever even submitted?  I know Stallman feels that VMS mods should be H > integrated (witness Emacs), where possible.  The gzip maintainers alsoE > graciously accepted VMS mods and these are distributed now with the  > standard release.  > A > If GNU maintainers are rejecting VMS mods, then that's a shame. @ > We should publicly complain about it in newsgroups like gnu.*. >   N I have not had any experience with this myself, primarily because I have neverK dealt with vms mods for any gnu software at all, but people *have* reported N this phenomenon in comp.os.vms.  I am not absolutely sure that it was gnu, butN there have definitely been *some* public domain claiming-to-be-multi-platform ? packages whose maintainers didn't want to be bothered with vms.      --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== P Woody Allen, in Sleeper: "I'm not the heroic type.  I was beaten up by Quakers."   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:55:52 GMT ' From: moi_is_me <moi_is_me@my-deja.com> 1 Subject: VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VT ) Message-ID: <8mi9i7$97o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   
 Greetings,  ;    Couple of weeks ago, I obtained a VAX 4000/90 ... but it -    came without a monitor and monitor cables.   :    I do NOT recognise anything on the back as suitable for,    plugging into a regular Graphics monitor.    ?    Q1 - What cable do i need to connect the VAX to a modern day 4         monitor - probably Compaq 21 or Hitachi 19 ?2         Where might i obtain the appropriate cable    <    Q2 - What cable would i need, if i want a VT terminal ...$         420 probably, as the console     Thanks InAdvance    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:42:27 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>5 Subject: Re: VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VT > Message-ID: <hshubs-8C1F45.22422705082000@news.mindspring.com>  4 In article <8mi9i7$97o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, moi_is_me  <moi_is_me@my-deja.com> wrote:  @ >   Q1 - What cable do i need to connect the VAX to a modern day5 >        monitor - probably Compaq 21 or Hitachi 19 ? 3 >        Where might i obtain the appropriate cable    What, to a VGA monitor?     = >   Q2 - What cable would i need, if i want a VT terminal ... % >        420 probably, as the console   	 MMJ cable    --   Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:52:31 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> 5 Subject: RE: VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VT D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD79D@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----0 > From: moi_is_me [mailto:moi_is_me@my-deja.com] > = >    Couple of weeks ago, I obtained a VAX 4000/90 ... but it / >    came without a monitor and monitor cables.  > < >    I do NOT recognise anything on the back as suitable for. >    plugging into a regular Graphics monitor. >  > A >    Q1 - What cable do i need to connect the VAX to a modern day 6 >         monitor - probably Compaq 21 or Hitachi 19 ?4 >         Where might i obtain the appropriate cable >   I It could depend on which graphics adapter you have.  The VS4000/90 that I K have has a D connector with 3 big shielded pins (red, green and blue).  The L cable is a BC29G-xx (where xx is the length) which has BNC connectors on the monitor end.    > > >    Q2 - What cable would i need, if i want a VT terminal ...& >         420 probably, as the console >   K This is easy, you just need a standard MMJ cable.  Just set S3 in the front 9 up and plug the VT420 into the MMJ connector in the back.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 03:13:44 GMT ' From: moi_is_me <moi_is_me@my-deja.com> 5 Subject: RE: VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VT ) Message-ID: <8mil57$gmg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D >> It could depend on which graphics adapter you have. The VS4000/904 >> that I have has a D connector with 3 big shielded >> pins (red, green and blue).C The three small pins i see (about 4-5 mm) located alongside a small 1 picture depicting a monitor are labelled A1/A2/A3     A >> The cable is a BC29G-xx (where xx is the length) which has BNC ! >> connectors on the monitor end. B Don't BNC have three ends (RGB) rather than the single end seen on@ modern monitors ?, ie i want to use the 4000/90 with the monitorF i normally use with my ComPaq/NT-BOX - VGA i guess you would call it ?    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:32:35 -0500 5 From: "Hipenbecker, Doug" <Hipenbecker.Doug@MBCO.COM>   Subject: RE: VMS Vs any other OSE Message-ID: <DD11CB6FEB21D41184510004ACA37153163A10@mbsus228.mbc.com>   
 Greetings!  H I am currently benchmarking OracleRDB on VMS vs WNT and then porting the2 database environment to Oracle8i/NT for benchmark.  J The RDB/VMS vs. RDB/NT benchmark raised a few eyebrows...I thought I would share: The RDB/VMS benchmark:K Single-cpu Alpha 4000 300 Mhz 2MB cache, 1gb memory, 3-port RAID controller ? Data, index, and snapshots spread out on separate RAID channels  AIJ journalling enabled  No global buffers or row cache 400 50-block local buffers   The RDB/NT benchmark: @ 4-cpu Xeon 500 Mhz  1MB cache, 1.2GB RAM, 3-port RAID controller? Data, index, and snapshots spread out on separate RAID channels  AIJ journalling enabled  No global buffers or row cache 400 50-block local buffers  J There was a specific query that joins a number of tables and uses a numberH of alternate indexes going through millions of rows of data.  This queryH consistently performed in 30 seconds with the RDB/VMS environment and 43$ seconds with the RDB/NT environment.  I Now, even that difference, the real test is when we perform the benchmark E against Oracle8i.  I have to port the RDB/NT database to Oracle8i/NT.     @ Future plans call for Oracle8i/NT for this application database.    H I must mention that Oracle dropped production support for RDB/NT shortlyI after it was released, but distributes it free as "Oracle RDB Workbench". K Oracle blames the problem on Compaq dropping support for the BLISS compiler  on WNT which RDB is written in.    -----Original Message-----7 From: Richard B. Gilbert [ mailto:DRAGON@COMPUSERVE.COM   <mailto:DRAGON@COMPUSERVE.COM> ]' Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 7:09 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS    I         I thought CA's business model was "Your money or your life?"!!!!!   ; Message text written by INTERNET:steven.reece@quintiles.com  >     - So how might this be applied to CA then? :-))   ) Koloth (koloth at tmisnet dot com) wrote: E >>>Compare this model to companies that license the software and also 	 charge an H annual maintenance fee.  This annual fee allowed the company to fix bugs and K provide new features.  The software from these companies from my experience  tend  to be of much higher quality.<<< <    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:15:15 -0700   From: Jon <jsmyth69@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS2 Message-ID: <lFmMOUhQWWZh5XJzX2oLR5w2+K=r@4ax.com>  2 "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote:4 Cheap plug there, You don't see Sunquest doing that.  I >And speaking of hospital systems, don't forget about Cerner on VMS also.  >  >Dave... > . ><norm.raphael@jamesbury.com> wrote in message/ >news:C2256931.005F9CD5.00@jklh21.valmet.com...  >> >>- >> On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Mike E. Fackler wrote:  >>M >> >   My reading has recently taken me out of the Intel world and into other I >> > type systems. (OS/400 and OpenVMS) I don't mean for this question to  >start aL >> > war, but being so indoctrinated in a Win type OS (Win/2000) I am having >aH >> > hard time seeing the advantage to the VMS OS. What exactly are it'sK >> > strengths over other OS? Why would an industry choose it over anything  >else & >> > in general and W2K in particular? >>L >> I believe he mentioned a medical site.  Someone who knows should tell him >about >> the virtues of DSMumps. >> >> >> >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2000 17:28 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)   Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS, Message-ID: <5AUG200017283918@gerg.tamu.edu>  . David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes... }Hoff Hoffman wrote: }>  K }>   Multi-user interactive user support, full shared-resources clustering, J }>   uptime, robust file system with individual volume limits circa one TBH }>   (and thousands of volumes), huge system performance and applicationF }>   scaling, networked GUI interface, 64-bit flat virtual addressing,H }>   built-in tools for local BACKUP and recovery, far better "DLL-like"M }>   support for modular coding and distributions, built-in record management J }>   support (heirarchical database), rolling upgrades of layered productsI }>   and the operating system in cluster environments (continuous uptime, M }>   even with software upgrades), built-in batch-print capabilities, support L }>   for a variety of networking protocols (COM, SMB, NFS, IP, DECnet, X.25,P }>   http, etc), remote network system logins, built-in system dump and analysisM }>   facilities, built-in multi-user security and auditing, built-in multiple O }>   and mixed-language programming capabilities, good documentation, orderable N }>   CD-ROM source listings of the operating system internals and source code,O }>   process and engineering that targets the avoidance of introducing security N }>   problems and typical virus infection paths, built-in system tuning tools,K }>   built-in application debugging and application dump tools, support for H }>   symmetric multiprocessing environments of up to 32 CPUs in a singleI }>   system (and up to 96+ nodes in a cluster), built-in standard product L }>   installation tools and associated product installation packaging tools,I }>   a central goal of upward-compatibility of user-mode applications and K }>   tools over OpenVMS releases, support for systems with 256 gigabytes of J }>   physical memory, available full operating system and hardware support }>   from a single source, etc.  } A }And you said that all in one breath, no pauses? Impressive!  :-)  }  }Dave   7 He is the very model of a modern software professional, 7 He has information virtual, physical, and hypothetical, @ He knows the specs of ethernet, and quotes the dumps historical,3 From Morningstar to Wildfire, in order categorical; : He's very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,: He understands equations, both the simple and quadratical,5 About VMS's features he's teeming with a lot o' news, D With many cheerful facts about why it's what you should want to use.  ) (Sorry about that, Gilbert and Sullivan.)    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2000 17:01 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233? , Message-ID: <5AUG200017013698@gerg.tamu.edu>  \ In article <398B56DA.9A1D818B@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes... }Tim Llewellyn wrote:  }>   }> Jonathan McCormack wrote: } 
 }> > Jonathan 8 }> > (dreading having to carry it to the car, it's huge) } M }Well, I can see this good ol' boy has never seen a VAX 8600 or VAX 8650. :-)  } > }Never saw a 9000, so I don't know how big they (it) were/was. }  }Dave   H The biggest VAX I ever saw was an 11/782. That's pretty much two 11/780sI connected together. I seriously doubt that it would have fit in anybody's  car, or even pickup truck.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 04:49:28 GMT  From: JMan <jman@urlgray.com> ; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233? 8 Message-ID: <98rposgseog8p5us6l9jov1nv4te0d8o0g@4ax.com>  2 On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:50:50 -0400, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   >Tim Llewellyn wrote:  >>   >> Jonathan McCormack wrote: > 
 >> > Jonathan 8 >> > (dreading having to carry it to the car, it's huge) > M >Well, I can see this good ol' boy has never seen a VAX 8600 or VAX 8650. :-)  > > >Never saw a 9000, so I don't know how big they (it) were/was. >  >Dave   E 9000? Much huger. Same height and depth as a 8600 but almost twice as6C wide. There was one cabinet that was taller than the rest, it had alD funky display for system status. In this case the customer put theirE company name on the display, which would otherwise show boot progresss and error conditions.   C Although I've never seen one, I've heard the TOPS 10/20 series were  even larger.     Jman...    jman@urlgray.com  3 No electrons were harmed in producing this message.h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:53:34 +0200) From: "Ruku Soffer" <ruku@vms.huji.ac.il> ) Subject: : defining internet on vms-* Message-ID: <8minnj$hf9$1@news.huji.ac.il>  / thank you both regardless of caffeine level :-)@ rukuA David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>   e' :398C470F.3A5F2CDC@earthlink.net...n > Jerry Leslie wrote:r > >r: > > David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@earthlink.net) wrote: > > : Ruku Soffer wrote: > > : >e > > : > hi all,4K > > : > i have a vax running vms 5.5 it is all set up for my intranet but ig can't2 > > : > "get out".* > > : > where do i define gateway and DNS?? > > : > is that all i need provided UCX is defined and running?  > > : >e > > : > thanks > > :lJ > > : Yeah - any TCP/IP box needs a default gateway(route). If you want toI > > : reference things by name, then you'll also need to setup and enablez thef! > > : name resolver (DNS client).c > > :QK > > : The "how" depends on whether you're running Multinet, TCPware, UCX or,
 > > : CMU/IP.: > > :v > > 2 > > David, your caffeine level is getting low. :-) >t	 > *LOL* !h >t > -- > David J. Dachteraa > dba DJE Systemsh > http://www.djesys.com/ >a< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.436 ************************