1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 06 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 437       Contents:( Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS) How to copy the current screen to a file? - Re: How to copy the current screen to a file?  Re: New KZP? Re: New KZP?! Re: Odd (to me) backup results...  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Re: Quality  Switching ARC to SRM Re: Switching ARC to SRM, Re: VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VT Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS 2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:16:12 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>1 Subject: Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS + Message-ID: <VA.0000009a.190f8304@sture.ch>   B In article <t$ruqsfLMdIp@eisner.decus.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:; > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 3 > Subject: Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS ! > Date: 4 Aug 2000 08:26:49 -0500  > r > In article <009EE0E6.22FF5571@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:o > > In article <4.3.2.7.2.20000803113544.0331c0b8@pop.clsp.uswest.net>, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes: . > >>At 11:09 AM 8/3/2000, Chris Scheers wrote: > >>>nic wrote:  > >>> > {...snip...} > >>> # > >>>How many copies would you buy?  > >>P > >>Buy?  None.  There's an acceptable (albeit, slower) viewer already available
 > >>for free.  > > J > > ... and with that reasoning, we should all be using CMU for TCP/IP and  > > not TCPware or Multinet?  ;) > > D > >>  OK, I take it back; maybe $10 per seat or something like that. > > H > > Something not too pricey, I believe, would be the general consensus? > > > $10 is not my idea of what will result in a quality product.> > There are things that could be done with PDF on VMS that are> > not viable on Windows, and I want to see a PDF viewer on VMS> > that is truly "best in class".  Believe it or not, that does( > take effort on the part of the vendor. > N I was considering producing shareware about 3 years ago, I looked seriously atK how others were pricing their products. Some excellent stuff either free or 3 $10-20. In contrast some stuff at $100 was garbage.   ? > I understand (some of) the economics of software development, > > and a revenue stream is necessary for the vendor to maintain$ > interest in upgrading the product. > = > I would propose $100 for a concurrent use license including % > a one year "right to new versions".  > E I finally decided (with a Windows audience in mind) that if I were to F shift sufficient volumes to make it worth my while, that 10-15 USD wasH about right. At that level, _I myself_ would pay up without thinking, asG I suspect many other would, assuming the product works and is useful to  me.   A > Anyone who wants a cheaper solution can go get the free program A > Dan proposed, but for some of us time is money and fussing with $ > unsupported software is lost time. > E Maybe a Hobbyist licence? I wouldn't mind paying the $100 for serious , work, and $10 for a Hobbyist system at home.  J But wait a moment, since (most? all?) the Hobbyist stuff already out thereK is free, Chris might want to offer it free in the Hobbyist tradition. There Q may be a lot of penniless students out there, who we want to encourage to us VMS, 
 after all.  L So how about something I'd like to see with the VMS licensing structure (and layered s/w too)?    1. Hobbyist license - free.   L 2. Personal use / SOHO license - cheap ($10 - $20?). I'm pretty sure CharlieN Matco would appreciate this type of license for producing his newsletters. ;-)  K 3. Commercial license - full rates ($100), including a 1 year "right to new 
 versions".  K Maybe such a pricing structure might persuade a few of us here to write and O publish some decent quality shareware, which of course would be no bad thing...    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) 3 From: Mohsen Andayesh <andayesh@civil.sharif.ac.ir> 2 Subject: How to copy the current screen to a file?4 Message-ID: <009EE31A.B176EE60.4@civil.sharif.ac.ir>   Hi all, 9  Does any body know if it's posiible to copy the current  6 screen to a text file by means of a command procedure  or an exe file or not?   If posiible please let me know!'                       Thank you ,Mohsen    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:55:04 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)6 Subject: Re: How to copy the current screen to a file?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0608001255040001@user-2ive7kl.dialup.mindspring.com>  i In article <009EE31A.B176EE60.4@civil.sharif.ac.ir>, Mohsen Andayesh <andayesh@civil.sharif.ac.ir> wrote:   	 > Hi all, ; >  Does any body know if it's posiible to copy the current  8 > screen to a text file by means of a command procedure  > or an exe file or not?  B It depends somewhat on the environment.  With DECwindows, you can ? generally cut and paste with the mouse, but that requires human B intervention.  I don't know a way to make it happen automatically.  @ If you are using a terminal, a terminal emulator, or a DECterm, B and you are writing your own application, the SMG library has easy' ways to move text from screen to file.    7 Can you be any more specific about what you need to do?    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2000 07:36:41 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: New KZP? + Message-ID: <bedIv4huC2lb@eisner.decus.org>   d In article <20000805154528.11741.00004661@ng-md1.aol.com>, dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.) writes:Q > Rumor has it Compaq is introducing a new KZP.  Does anyone have any information N > on this device?  In particular will it be available for VMS or is it another > UNIX only device?   . What is a KZP, and what are current examples ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 08:48:37 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: New KZP? 7 Message-ID: <200008060848_MC2-AEBF-1589@compuserve.com>   $         KZPAA, KZPSA, KZPBB, . . . .  (         They are all SCSI host adapters.  ' Message text written by Larry Kilgallen ; >In article <20000805154528.11741.00004661@ng-md1.aol.com>, ) dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.) writes: E > Rumor has it Compaq is introducing a new KZP.  Does anyone have any  information F > on this device?  In particular will it be available for VMS or is it another  > UNIX only device?   . What is a KZP, and what are current examples ? <    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:16:14 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>* Subject: Re: Odd (to me) backup results...+ Message-ID: <VA.0000009b.190f896c@sture.ch>   7 In article <00256931.004CAE75.00@quegw01.btyp>,  wrote: & > From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms , > Subject: Re: Odd (to me) backup results...' > Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:56:31 +0000  > ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  > P > Thanks Paul, I suspect that the original writer of the backup schedule commandD > procedure felt that 'performance' was the important factor here... > P Yes, but with the hardware at our disposal nowadays, I prefer to go for the safeN solution. Ever since the first tape drives with their own error checking came R along I've seen folks trying to speed things up by omitting CRC. The trouble with G that approach is that backup's CRC checking can detect errors along the ) complete data path between disk and tape.   L > I have since tried something else - well, not something else exactly, but; > G > $ backup/image/log/ignore=label mkb500:ora_db_1_1.bck/sav $75$dua116: < > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[000000]000000.DIR;1< > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[000000]BACKUP.SYS;1< > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[000000]CONTIN.SYS;1< > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[000000]CORIMG.SYS;1< > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[000000]ORACLE.DIR;1C > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[ORACLE]OSDP1_DBFILES.DIR;1 L > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[ORACLE.OSDP1_DBFILES]OSDP1_02.CTL;2L > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[ORACLE.OSDP1_DBFILES]OSDP1_02.CTL;1 > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created= > $75$DUA116:[ORACLE.OSDP1_DBFILES]OSDP1_RBSEG_LARGE_01.DBF;1 Q > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[ORACLE.OSDP1_DBFILES]OSDP1_RSEG_01.DBF;1 > > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[000000]SECURITY.SYS;1< > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[000000]VOLSET.SYS;1A > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[000000]__Z_EOV_Z__.MRK;2 A > %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $75$DUA116:[000000]__Z_EOV_Z__.MRK;1  > $ dism/nounl $75$dua116: > $ mount/over=id $75$dua116: = > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, ORA_DB_1 mounted on _$75$DUA116: (HSD101)  > $ dir $75$dua116:[*...]  >  > Directory $75$DUA116:[ORACLE]  >  > OSDP1_DBFILES.DIR;1  >  > Total of 1 file. > - > Directory $75$DUA116:[ORACLE.OSDP1_DBFILES]  > D > OSDP1_02.CTL;2      OSDP1_02.CTL;1      OSDP1_RBSEG_LARGE_01.DBF;1 > OSDP1_RSEG_01.DBF;1  >  > Total of 4 files.  > ( > Grand total of 2 directories, 5 files. > O > So, the only difference being the controllers and disks - ie hardware - but I L > don't see how that could cause this problem. The original restore was to aM > device attached to an ESA10000 behind HSZ70s, whereas the other disk (which " > worked) is attached to an HSD30. >  > I have to admit I am stumped.  > O So the next question has to be "Is the bad behaviour reproducible?". If not, I  Q _might_ discount it as a one off, but that would still leave me feeling somewhat   paranoid...    Any entries in the error logs?  K I think I'd be checking out the "suspect" hardware, firmware revisions etc.   O (PS Polite request: Please don't put my work email address on the newsgroup. I   sent you a private email.   S I have been successfully cutting down the amount of spam at work by not posting to  Q newsgroups from there. I cannot fake my outgoing address there without getting a  R snotty email from our security services about faking addresses. Neither do I have = an automated spam filter there, whilst at home I do. Thanks.)    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 03:32:04 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  Subject: Re: Quality( Message-ID: <8mj469$dpq$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:398C4632.5C7B269F@earthlink.net...    ...    > But then, what do I know?   < Clearly only a minute percentage of what you think you know.   - bill   >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:16:57 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Quality- Message-ID: <398D02D9.34842C9C@tsoft-inc.com>   N If you guys would drop this useless thread, I'd have a lot less 'spam' to sift through.   Bill Todd wrote: > M > Operating systems aren't commodities to the same degree, but they are to at K > least a *significant* degree interchangeable (especially when building an H > environment from scratch) and hence to *some* degree undifferentiable,H > despite real feature differences - as long as those differences aren'tE > perceived as significant by the market.  And differences that *are* D > perceived as significant - such as VMS's unfamiliarity and lack ofH > applications compared with Windows and Unix - can't be papered over byB > marketing in areas where VMS's unique features aren't important.A                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   H This statement is essentially true, and also a bit of mis-direction.  IfL marketing is indeed informing the consumer of a product and why he/she needsG that product, then telling them about something that they will never be L convinced they need is pretty useless.  What is needed is to tell them aboutL those parts of the product that they should want and need, and for the aboveO statement trying to  sell EDT as a replace for Word would be a bit useless, but O making much of the 'reported' hugh losses at many businesses due to some recent P viruses, DoS attacks, and whatever and how (factual or not) VMS is immune to all such would be good marketing.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:39:04 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Quality- Message-ID: <398D0808.D3084C0A@tsoft-inc.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > O > Yes, many building do crumble, but you know what, they just continue to build M > them with the same tools/materials until they get it right. And eventually,  > they will get it right.   P Just one small challenge.  Prove that statement is fact, and not just FUD.  I'veL never seen any proof that some of the idiots will ever get it right.  And if6 you're assuming, leave the 'me' out of such an action.  O > Where does that leave us ? With antiquated tools and no experience with those M > newfangled tools/materials. And when we do wake up and smell the coffee and N > are forced to jumped on that "new materials/tools" worls, are are way behindL > in terms of experience on how to build something with such dangerous tools > that won't crumble.   O I've no problem with new technology.  I do have a problem with what someone may = call 'new technology', but is just an idea that doesn't work.   P For example, I'd be in favor of the windoz GUI being available on VMS, if it wasP a good implementation.  Maybe put some 2-way action into Affinity.  A 'graphicalN terminal driver' that is already familiar to much of the world wouldn't be bad- for VMS, and should have been done years ago.   P > VMS was in a leadsership position back in the 80s because it not only have theM > mainframe's legacy COBOL and FORTRAN, but also had that newfangled language P > called C. But now, there seems to be resistance to adopt the new tools because' > we don't feel they are robust enough.  > N > I think that VMS (and its loyal supporters) should be *quicker* to adopt theN > newfangled trendy tools. I have a feeling that there is strong resistance toO > such tools. Perhaps because we are jealous that Microsoft has stolen the show ' > from VMS and don't want to admit it ?   O Oh, I'll admit that with BP's help MS has stolen the show, but my purpose is to  get it back.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:04:45 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  Subject: Re: Quality5 Message-ID: <01JSNSEMLQCI002N3K@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Bill Todd wrote,A >David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message ( >news:398C4632.5C7B269F@earthlink.net... >  >... >  >> But then, what do I know? > = >Clearly only a minute percentage of what you think you know.  >  >- bill  >  >> >> --  >> David J. Dachtera >> dba DJE Systems >> http://www.djesys.com/  >>= >> Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: " >> http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  Q Do we really need this amount of personal flaming on this NG?  Once this starts,   the bandwidth gets very high.   P I will admit to doing the same to a certain person on occassions, but hopefully P not enough to enflame the NG.  The person I flamed had no content in any of his + posts, unlike David and sometimes yourself.   L Cannot you accept that just because someone disagrees with you they are not P moronic?  David certainly comes over to me as a very erudite person for/in this  NG.    Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2000 06:52:19 -0400?/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)  Subject: Re: Quality* Message-ID: <8mjg13$s7d$1@lisa.gemair.com>  . In article <rAZaqsAU0mk3@tachxxsoftxxconsult>,> Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223> wrote:] >In article <8mhd8i$85p$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:h >>  I >> Are you sure that the maintainers rejected the VMS mods?  Or were theyhG >> ever even submitted?  I know Stallman feels that VMS mods should be  I >> integrated (witness Emacs), where possible.  The gzip maintainers also-F >> graciously accepted VMS mods and these are distributed now with the >> standard release. >> uB >> If GNU maintainers are rejecting VMS mods, then that's a shame.A >> We should publicly complain about it in newsgroups like gnu.*.g >>   >tO >I have not had any experience with this myself, primarily because I have neveroL >dealt with vms mods for any gnu software at all, but people *have* reportedO >this phenomenon in comp.os.vms.  I am not absolutely sure that it was gnu, butsO >there have definitely been *some* public domain claiming-to-be-multi-platform .@ >packages whose maintainers didn't want to be bothered with vms. >o  D I'm sure it happens.  I'm also certain that GNU maintainers have notC taken mods to get a given package to work on some flavor of Unix atwA some time or another.  This sort of thing is probably more likelyt& to happen with non-Unix mods probably.  ? The question I had, and didn't get answered, were there mods to A the code Brian was working with submitted to the maintainers that ! were rejected due to "VMS taint"?e  C I think GNU maintainers rejecting portability mods is not the norm.e@ It's more likely that VMS mods were made and never submitted, I  think.     >u >-- P >===============================================================================N >Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx; >http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  rL >change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)P >===============================================================================Q >Woody Allen, in Sleeper: "I'm not the heroic type.  I was beaten up by Quakers."    -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:10:22 GMTr= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)l Subject: Re: Quality0 Message-ID: <009EE306.3B169676@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <8mjg13$s7d$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:/ >In article <rAZaqsAU0mk3@tachxxsoftxxconsult>,w? >Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223> wrote:w^ >>In article <8mhd8i$85p$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes: >>> J >>> Are you sure that the maintainers rejected the VMS mods?  Or were theyH >>> ever even submitted?  I know Stallman feels that VMS mods should be J >>> integrated (witness Emacs), where possible.  The gzip maintainers alsoG >>> graciously accepted VMS mods and these are distributed now with the  >>> standard release.m >>> C >>> If GNU maintainers are rejecting VMS mods, then that's a shame.rB >>> We should publicly complain about it in newsgroups like gnu.*. >>>  >>P >>I have not had any experience with this myself, primarily because I have neverM >>dealt with vms mods for any gnu software at all, but people *have* reporteddP >>this phenomenon in comp.os.vms.  I am not absolutely sure that it was gnu, butP >>there have definitely been *some* public domain claiming-to-be-multi-platform A >>packages whose maintainers didn't want to be bothered with vms.i >> > E >I'm sure it happens.  I'm also certain that GNU maintainers have notbD >taken mods to get a given package to work on some flavor of Unix atB >some time or another.  This sort of thing is probably more likely' >to happen with non-Unix mods probably.t >l@ >The question I had, and didn't get answered, were there mods toB >the code Brian was working with submitted to the maintainers that" >were rejected due to "VMS taint"?  B I don't know the entire history of various GNU packages but I know( that several of them have been rejected.    D >I think GNU maintainers rejecting portability mods is not the norm.A >It's more likely that VMS mods were made and never submitted, I   >think.   D If portability mods were not sumbitted and someone took the time andE invested the effort to port them to VMS, then that has certainly beenn" a disservice to the VMS community.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMu  2 ... feeling so much older this particular morning.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:10:29 -0500+ From: "Cliff Squidlow" <csquid@hotmail.com>o Subject: Switching ARC to SRMy. Message-ID: <p_gj5.13$044.13138@nnrp1.sbc.net>  L I think you might have to do a Linux "makeboot" with the fwupdate.exe file -J I just did the same thing on my 200 4/166 to do the SRM, but I already hadK the boot floppy - was going to give you the URL, but looks like Compaq tookhK down all the good web pages on it.  Make sure you have done all you need toaI with the NT stuff, 'cause until you get VMS up, flashing back to ARC is aaH real pain, and even then you have to know how to do the special VMS boot that prompts "Bootfile:"  I Also, are you SURE that AS200_V7_0.EXE is the right update for the XL266?-F I'm not familiar with that model, so I can't say, but I remember I didC download the wrong fwupdate the first time and got similar results.g    9 "Fim Wstberg" <fim.wastberg@fimator.se> wrote in message5$ news:398BE301.5F58161F@fimator.se...H > I have an Alpha workstation XL266 with this "half flashed" system with just ARCJ > loaded and I can run just Win Nt. Now I want to run VMS and I have tried
 to switch theaF > console program from ARC to SRM by loading the flash memory from the ARC-console./ > But I was not successful. Here are the steps:  >aI > A FAT-diskette with the program fwupdate.exe, that is SRM firmware filem& AS200_V7_0.EXE renamed, in the floppy.0 > In the ARC-console menu: "Supplementary menu"," > and then "Install new firmware".G > The answer is "Searching for the update tool on CD-rom and floppy..."tE > The led on the floppy is flashing and after some seconds there is ad message:? > "Error: No such file or directory, press any key to continue"m > % > Is anybody knowing what is wrong ??h   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 10:24:30 -0700 (PDT) ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> ! Subject: Re: Switching ARC to SRM E Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.1000806102243.764H-100000@gunn.kednos.com>u  H The XL266 ONLY supports ARC.  This limits your choices to alternatives,  NT or Linux.        ) On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Cliff Squidlow wrote:6  & > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:10:29 -0500+ > From: Cliff Squidlow <csquid@HOTMAIL.COM>. > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come > Subject: Switching ARC to SRM: > N > I think you might have to do a Linux "makeboot" with the fwupdate.exe file -L > I just did the same thing on my 200 4/166 to do the SRM, but I already hadM > the boot floppy - was going to give you the URL, but looks like Compaq tookdM > down all the good web pages on it.  Make sure you have done all you need to K > with the NT stuff, 'cause until you get VMS up, flashing back to ARC is a J > real pain, and even then you have to know how to do the special VMS boot > that prompts "Bootfile:" > K > Also, are you SURE that AS200_V7_0.EXE is the right update for the XL266?CH > I'm not familiar with that model, so I can't say, but I remember I didE > download the wrong fwupdate the first time and got similar results.  >  > ; > "Fim Wdstberg" <fim.wastberg@fimator.se> wrote in messaged& > news:398BE301.5F58161F@fimator.se...J > > I have an Alpha workstation XL266 with this "half flashed" system with
 > just ARCL > > loaded and I can run just Win Nt. Now I want to run VMS and I have tried > to switch the-H > > console program from ARC to SRM by loading the flash memory from the > ARC-console.1 > > But I was not successful. Here are the steps:d > >DK > > A FAT-diskette with the program fwupdate.exe, that is SRM firmware fileO( > AS200_V7_0.EXE renamed, in the floppy.2 > > In the ARC-console menu: "Supplementary menu",$ > > and then "Install new firmware".I > > The answer is "Searching for the update tool on CD-rom and floppy..." G > > The led on the floppy is flashing and after some seconds there is a0
 > message:A > > "Error: No such file or directory, press any key to continue"C > >-' > > Is anybody knowing what is wrong ??T >  >  >  >  >   A                __________________________________________________RA               /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/l@              /_/                                             /_/?             /_/     Tom Linden              PL/I Support    /_/.>            /_/    Kednos Corporation       OpenVMS and     /_/=           /_/   tel 831 373 7003          Tru64 Unix      /_/C<          /_/_____________________________________________/_/;         /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:21:18 -0500 * From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net>5 Subject: Re: VAX 4000/90 ... Output to Graphics or VTu, Message-ID: <398D9E8E.426E0577@usfamily.net>   moi_is_me wrote: > F > >> It could depend on which graphics adapter you have. The VS4000/906 > >> that I have has a D connector with 3 big shielded  > >> pins (red, green and blue).E > The three small pins i see (about 4-5 mm) located alongside a smalli3 > picture depicting a monitor are labelled A1/A2/A3  > C > >> The cable is a BC29G-xx (where xx is the length) which has BNCh# > >> connectors on the monitor end. D > Don't BNC have three ends (RGB) rather than the single end seen onB > modern monitors ?, ie i want to use the 4000/90 with the monitorH > i normally use with my ComPaq/NT-BOX - VGA i guess you would call it ? > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.u  > Your PC monitor will not work on the VS4000/90.  You will find> however that if you were to purchase a monitor (Digital VRC21)@ it will work for both the VS and the PC. The last VRC21 I bought IIRC I payed around $900 US. -- - Keith Brown- kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:52:59 -0400c* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS- Message-ID: <398D0B4B.183776F6@tsoft-inc.com>    "Hipenbecker, Doug" wrote: > J > I must mention that Oracle dropped production support for RDB/NT shortlyK > after it was released, but distributes it free as "Oracle RDB Workbench". M > Oracle blames the problem on Compaq dropping support for the BLISS compilern! > on WNT which RDB is written in.   O Which is rather bogus, since BLISS is available free.  It will do tomorrow what P it does today and did yesterday.  If they're so worried about it, they could get the compiler and maintain it..   Dave   -- i4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:16:15 +0200s  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS+ Message-ID: <VA.0000009c.190f8e95@sture.ch>r  @ In article <5AUG200017283918@gerg.tamu.edu>, Carl Perkins wrote:) > From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)t > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsi" > Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS > Date: 5 Aug 2000 17:28 CST > 0 > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes... > }Hoff Hoffman wrote: > }> tM > }>   Multi-user interactive user support, full shared-resources clustering,sL > }>   uptime, robust file system with individual volume limits circa one TBJ > }>   (and thousands of volumes), huge system performance and applicationH > }>   scaling, networked GUI interface, 64-bit flat virtual addressing,J > }>   built-in tools for local BACKUP and recovery, far better "DLL-like"O > }>   support for modular coding and distributions, built-in record managementnL > }>   support (heirarchical database), rolling upgrades of layered productsK > }>   and the operating system in cluster environments (continuous uptime, O > }>   even with software upgrades), built-in batch-print capabilities, support N > }>   for a variety of networking protocols (COM, SMB, NFS, IP, DECnet, X.25,R > }>   http, etc), remote network system logins, built-in system dump and analysisO > }>   facilities, built-in multi-user security and auditing, built-in multiplenQ > }>   and mixed-language programming capabilities, good documentation, orderable P > }>   CD-ROM source listings of the operating system internals and source code,Q > }>   process and engineering that targets the avoidance of introducing security,P > }>   problems and typical virus infection paths, built-in system tuning tools,M > }>   built-in application debugging and application dump tools, support foryJ > }>   symmetric multiprocessing environments of up to 32 CPUs in a singleK > }>   system (and up to 96+ nodes in a cluster), built-in standard productlN > }>   installation tools and associated product installation packaging tools,K > }>   a central goal of upward-compatibility of user-mode applications andwM > }>   tools over OpenVMS releases, support for systems with 256 gigabytes ofcL > }>   physical memory, available full operating system and hardware support! > }>   from a single source, etc.n > } C > }And you said that all in one breath, no pauses? Impressive!  :-)e > }  > }Daver > 9 > He is the very model of a modern software professional,n9 > He has information virtual, physical, and hypothetical,sB > He knows the specs of ethernet, and quotes the dumps historical,5 > From Morningstar to Wildfire, in order categorical;b< > He's very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,< > He understands equations, both the simple and quadratical,7 > About VMS's features he's teeming with a lot o' news, F > With many cheerful facts about why it's what you should want to use. > + > (Sorry about that, Gilbert and Sullivan.)N > 
 Brilliant! ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlandl   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 16:12:52 GMTe/ From: Brad Hamilton <bradhamilton@mediaone.net>   Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS, Message-ID: <398D8E87.42F2494B@mediaone.net>  ) That was his "Molly Bloom" impression	:-)t   David A Froble wrote:c >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  <snip> >  B > And you said that all in one breath, no pauses? Impressive!  :-) >  > Dave >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2000 14:46:14 -0500r9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)-  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS+ Message-ID: <$bHQSo5k+46l@eisner.decus.org>n  Z In article <398D0B4B.183776F6@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > "Hipenbecker, Doug" wrote: >> <K >> I must mention that Oracle dropped production support for RDB/NT shortlylL >> after it was released, but distributes it free as "Oracle RDB Workbench".N >> Oracle blames the problem on Compaq dropping support for the BLISS compiler" >> on WNT which RDB is written in. > Q > Which is rather bogus, since BLISS is available free.  It will do tomorrow whateR > it does today and did yesterday.  If they're so worried about it, they could get > the compiler and maintain it.h  8 The Bliss on the VMS Freeware is only for VAX and Alpha.  3 To my knowledge the source has never been released.u  A Rdb/NT would require the Bliss compiler that produces Intel code,n< and to my knowledge that has never been generally available.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 08:09:34 +0200, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?e+ Message-ID: <8mivgr$1gik$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>-  K Well, I have had the honour of managing a VAX 9000-200. It was about as bige as the 11/782!  = The 8250/8350 systems were small, somehing like the PDP11/44.t  	 Bart ZornU  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message& news:5AUG200017013698@gerg.tamu.edu...> > In article <398B56DA.9A1D818B@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes...  > }Tim Llewellyn wrote:m > }> > }> Jonathan McCormack wrote: > }t > }> > Jonathann: > }> > (dreading having to carry it to the car, it's huge) > }iK > }Well, I can see this good ol' boy has never seen a VAX 8600 or VAX 8650.a :-)l > }e@ > }Never saw a 9000, so I don't know how big they (it) were/was. > }s > }Dave  >IJ > The biggest VAX I ever saw was an 11/782. That's pretty much two 11/780sK > connected together. I seriously doubt that it would have fit in anybody's  > car, or even pickup truck. >l
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2000 09:51:51 -0500a, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler); Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233? + Message-ID: <a1G6kOXYcfYV@eisner.decus.org>i  X In article <98rposgseog8p5us6l9jov1nv4te0d8o0g@4ax.com>, JMan <jman@urlgray.com> writes:4 > On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:50:50 -0400, David A Froble > E > Although I've never seen one, I've heard the TOPS 10/20 series werew > even larger. >   D    Depends on what you put on them.  Some of our 11/780s had lots ofE    expansion cabinets and so ended up much larger than the 9000s I'venE    seen.  Our DECSYSTEM 20s happened to have fewer expension cabinetsw4    which made them smaller than our biggest 11/780s.  H    But what really took up the floor space was our collections of RP07s.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 16:11:28 GMTi/ From: Brad Hamilton <bradhamilton@mediaone.net>=; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?=, Message-ID: <398D8E33.89D488E4@mediaone.net>  < Which VAX was in the Larry Bird poster?  Wasn't that a 9000?   Bob Koehler wrote: > Z > In article <98rposgseog8p5us6l9jov1nv4te0d8o0g@4ax.com>, JMan <jman@urlgray.com> writes:6 > > On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:50:50 -0400, David A Froble > >=G > > Although I've never seen one, I've heard the TOPS 10/20 series wereb > > even larger. > >  > F >    Depends on what you put on them.  Some of our 11/780s had lots ofG >    expansion cabinets and so ended up much larger than the 9000s I've G >    seen.  Our DECSYSTEM 20s happened to have fewer expension cabinetsE6 >    which made them smaller than our biggest 11/780s. > J >    But what really took up the floor space was our collections of RP07s.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.437 ************************