1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 443       Contents: %TCPIP-I-NOMORE  Analysing crash dumps  RE: Analysing crash dumps ( Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS Any vax job in Toronto ?2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)( Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alpha( Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alpha( Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alpha( Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alpha Help with RAID selection needed  Re: I NEED imagemagick5.1.1  Re: I NEED imagemagick5.1.1 - Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus) - Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus) P Re: My vax was bigger than your vax (Was: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000P Re: My vax was bigger than your vax (Was: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 10001 Re: OpenVMS ALPHA Port Of AOL Instant Messenger ? 
 OPenVMS times F OT: Telemarketing (was: OpenVMS ALPHA Port Of AOL Instant Messenger ?)" Privileges required for sys$crmpsc& Re: Privileges required for sys$crmpsc Re: Raid array 300 on VMS  Re: Raid array 300 on VMS  re OpenVMS TIMES6 Re: Support of PowerStorm 300/350 under OpenVMS 7.1-2?' Re: Supressing Commands from a COM File  TCPIP stacks Re: TCPIP stacks UCX error message , VMS System Administrator needed - Groton, CT, VMS System Administrator needed - Groton, CT Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  RE: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS + Want used graphics card for Jensen DEC 2000 2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233? XP1000's for sale  [TCPIP V5] TIMEDC ?  [TCPware 5.4-3] GATED Hang  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 17:42:01 +0200 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: %TCPIP-I-NOMORE* Message-ID: <39917bc9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  M I recently upgraded a UCX system to TCPIP and found a message in STARTUP.LOG:   I  %TCPIP-I-NOMORE, parameter or qualifier for ALL COMMUNICATION OPTIONS no O  longer supported; see the documentation for valid options and re-enter command    It happens during the command   ( 	$ TCPIP START COMMUNICATION /INITIALIZE  , in	SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]TCPIP$INET_STARTUP.COM  * Any idea, what "option" might be related ?   TIA    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:24:26 +0100 ' From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com>  Subject: Analysing crash dumps' Message-ID: <39913F69.E74571BF@csc.com>    All,  E Can anybody suggest some good documents and/or web sites that explain ) how to get to the bottom of a crash dump?    Yours, in ignorance,   Ade    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:14:06 +0100 - From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> " Subject: RE: Analysing crash dumps; Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE31643F@REAES2>    Try.. ; http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/ssb71/4556/4556ptoc.htm    > -----Original Message-----0 > From: Adrian Birkett [mailto:abirkett@csc.com] > Sent: 09 August 2000 12:24 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Subject: Analysing crash dumps >  >  > All, > G > Can anybody suggest some good documents and/or web sites that explain + > how to get to the bottom of a crash dump?  >  > Yours, in ignorance, >  > Ade  >  >   -- Cheers, John  F  - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not theI   opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg did E   nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems then D   please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).       K ___________________________________________________________________________ B This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of   Sema Group. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this I email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or  - copying of this email is strictly prohibited.   E If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group . Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 04:06:13 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS O Message-ID: <2C44F4BBBD1A2BFE.279001E3A373836A.9384CE571CCA233C@lp.airnews.net>    "D.Webb" wrote:  > k > In article <398AC2AB.E8D2C405@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  > >Dan O'Reilly wrote:/ > >> At 11:09 AM 8/3/2000, Chris Scheers wrote: < > >> >Unfortunately, the pricing has not been finalized yet. > >> >K > >> >In fact, this is a good opportunity to provide input into the pricing  > >> >process. > >> >9 > >> >(This is open to anyone who would like to respond.)  > >> >N > >> >What do you think is a reasonable price for the PDF Viewer with one year > >> >of updates?  > >> >? > >> >Should it be priced per system, per cluster, or per seat?  > >> >$ > >> >How many copies would you buy? > >>Q > >> Buy?  None.  There's an acceptable (albeit, slower) viewer already available N > >> for free.  OK, I take it back; maybe $10 per seat or something like that.N > >> Let's face it: reading PDF files on VMS is something people want to do onN > >> occasion, but most people end up reading them on M$ stuff, because that's > >> where the mail goes to... > > @ > >If people need to read PDF for work they should be willing to > >pay for it. > > B > >If they just use it for hobbyist usage etc., then ofcourse they! > >are not willing to pay (much).  > >  > >Arne  > J > But with the Adobe Acrobat Reader being free on other platforms how do I= > convince anybody to purchase an equivalent product on VMS ?    That is a good question.  5 IF you have a PC on the same desk as your VMS display 4 AND the PC can access the same files as your VMS box8 AND the PC can print to the same printer as your VMS box? AND you have room to effectively use two keyboards and two mice 3 AND you don't mind flipping between the two screens : AND the PC screen has as much resolution as the VMS screen- THEN by all means use Adobe's Acrobat Reader.   G If some of these conditions are not met, you might want to consider the  ASI PDF Viewer.   ? If using a VMS based PDF Viewer makes you more productive, that . productivity has value and should be paid for.     K > Now if you were talking about a tool to create PDF documents then that is B > another matter since the equivalent Acrobat products cost money.  G We have the technology to produce such tools.  (And some are planned.)  B It was felt, however, that creating PDF files on VMS was of littleF benefit unless they could also be viewed on VMS, so the PDF Viewer was produced first.   E If you have specific needs for producing PDF files, contact me and we  can discuss it.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:40:30 -0400  From: "Jim Kim" <sjkim@istar.ca>! Subject: Any vax job in Toronto ? 8 Message-ID: <y4ck5.9878$Lg1.175148@cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca>  C I'm currently looking for VAX/VMS COBOL job opportunity in Toronto. K I've got 11 years experience of Skills including COBOL, DECFORMS, ACMS, RDB 	 and more.   0 If you know of any availability in Toronto Area,8 could you please reply to this post or my email address.   Thanks in advance    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:35:23 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger); Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes) L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0908000235240001@user-2ive7o5.dialup.mindspring.com>  P In article <8mpnvf$9bg$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:  G > Could you put those hairballs up on a web site or otherwise make them  > available?    > Robert the Postscript ignorant   Hey!  I resemble that remark!   D I don't particularly have a web site to put stuff on.  I've had moreD than enough postscript aggravation, I don't want to start with HTML.  D Paul, if you see this, does Compaq have a place where customers can C contribute stuff for printers that DCPS doesn't officially support? J Some kind of download-at-your-own-risk web/ftp site?  There would probably> be a number of contributions if there was a stable repository.    A I think this one file, and the instructions in the DCPS docs, are   enough to make the printer work.  E You have to take this .TXT file, put it in a text library as a module F named LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_SETINPUTTRAY, and define a logical name searchD list that has your custom library BEFORE the one provided with DCPS.H Your custom library has to be first, since the standard library contains' a do-nothing module with the same name.   D When you define your DCPS execution queue(s), the logical name tellsH DCPS which libraries to look in for device control modules.  The libraryD files have to be in SYS$LIBRARY to work.  If you have more than one B system disk in your cluster, the libraries need to be on each disk% to get uniform behavior on each node.   ; This is all explained in the manual much better than I can.   A Once this module is installed and made available to DCPS, and you ? stop and restart the execution queue, you can use commands like  $ PRINT/PARAM=(INPUT_TRAY=TOP)! $ PRINT/PARAM=(INPUT_TRAY=BOTTOM) & $ PRINT/PARAM=(INPUT_TRAY=MANUAL_FEED)  J I can try to answer questions if it isn't clear.  But I don't particularlyF understand what the postscript is doing.  This tray selection seems toF have very little in common with the stuff Paul wrote for the supportedD Phaser 780.  But postscript seems to be like that.  It reminds me of= FORTH, which made my eyeballs sweat and my fingertips greasy.   A (Get rid of the extra lines at the bottom of the message when you  extract the file.)D --------------------------------------------------------------------; LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_SETINPUTTRAY.TXT starts on the next line:  %!F % Copyright  1986 - 1999, by GENICOM Corporation, Chantilly, Virginia % All rights reserved. % LPS$$ppp_SETINPUTTRAY V4.1-10   M %---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ) % Customized for the Tektronix Phaser 850  % 4-Aug-2000 % Robert Deininger % Brookhaven National Lab  % E % For the upper and lower trays (which DCPS calls top and bottom), I  F % took postscript fragments from the files UPPRTRAY.PS and LOWRTRAY.PSG % There is some relevant documentation in the file htm_9523.htm (in the E % unix folder on the Macintosh partition of the Phaser 850 CD).  Note I % that these two postscript files make persistant changes to the printer; > % the snippets I use here are modified to last for only 1 job. % D % The trays supported by this file are TOP, BOTTOM, MANUAL_FEED, andG % MAIN (which is an alias for BOTTOM).  We do not have the middle tray, E % but the appropriate snippet from MIDDTRAY.PS could be added to this G % tray table to support the middle tray.  I did not do it, since I have  % no way to test it. % I % I took out all the comments and disclaimers.  If you want to read them, < % retrieve a fresh copy of the module from the DCPS library:1 % LIBRARY/EXTRACT=LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_SETINPUTTRAY- D %  OUTPUT=LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_SETINPUTTRAY.TXT SYS$LIBRARY:DCPS$DEVCTLM %---------------------------------------------------------------------------- H statusdict begin lps$lpsdict begin dup/lps$input-tray-delimited exch defI dup length 2 sub 1 exch getinterval/lps$input-tray exch def/setduplexmode D where{begin mark{false setduplexmode}stopped cleartomark end}if markM % ------------------------- beginning of tray table -------------------------     /top        { /pt {    product exch anchorsearch {      pop pop true   }{
     pop false 
   } ifelse
 } bind def <<   /ManualFeed false    /TraySwitch false    (Phaser 2) pt { &     /InputAttributes <</Priority [0]>>   }{     (Phaser 4) pt {        /MediaType (Upper Tray)        /MediaColor null     }{       /MediaPosition 0>       languagelevel 2 le {/MediaType}{/MediaClass} ifelse null     } ifelse
   } ifelse >> setpagedevice userdict /pt undef}     /bottom        {  /pt {    product exch anchorsearch {      pop pop true   }{
     pop false 
   } ifelse
 } bind def <<   /ManualFeed false    /TraySwitch false    (Phaser 2) pt { &     /InputAttributes <</Priority [1]>>   }{     (Phaser 4) pt {        /MediaType (Lower Tray)        /MediaColor null     }{$       /MediaPosition (Phaser 8) pt {<         currentpagedevice /InputAttributes get dup 2 known {           pop 2 
         }{           1 known {1}{0} ifelse          } ifelse       }{I         (Phaser 5) pt (Phaser 740) pt or (Phaser 750) pt or {2}{1} ifelse        } ifelse>       languagelevel 2 le {/MediaType}{/MediaClass} ifelse null     } ifelse
   } ifelse >> setpagedevice userdict /pt undef}     /main       /bottom=    /manual_feed      { << /ManualFeed true >> setpagedevice } M % ---------------------------- end of tray table ---------------------------- K counttomark 2 idiv dup 3 add dict begin{dup xcheck not{dup type/integertype D eq{[exch/setpapertray cvx]cvx}{dup type/nametype eq{cvx}if}ifelse}if? def}repeat/lps$get-input-tray-ext-name{lps$input-tray-ext-names 8 lps$input-tray 2 copy known{get dup type/nulltype eq{pop@ lps$input-tray}if}{pop pop[lps$input-tray( tray)]30 string 0 0 3I index{length add}forall getinterval exch 0 exch{3 copy putinterval length @ add}forall pop}ifelse}def/lps$input-tray-ext-names mark/cassetteH null/envelope_feeder null/lcit null/optional_cassette null counttomark 2I idiv dup dict begin{def}repeat pop currentdict end def/lps$intrayerr{mark I lps$get-input-tray-ext-name lps$pn 4 -1 roll returnstatus $error/newerror G false put stop}def currentdict lps$input-tray known{lps$input-tray load J stopped{258 lps$intrayerr}if}{250 lps$intrayerr}ifelse end cleartomark end end D --------------------------------------------------------------------A The last line of the postscript file is two lines above this one.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:37:18 -0400 + From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com> ; Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes) B Message-ID: <panderson-6A0090.10371809082000@news.ma.ultranet.com>   In article  B <rdeininger-0908000235240001@user-2ive7o5.dialup.mindspring.com>, 3 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:   F > Paul, if you see this, does Compaq have a place where customers can F > contribute stuff for printers that DCPS doesn't officially support? C > Some kind of download-at-your-own-risk web/ftp site? There would  > > probably be a number of contributions if there was a stable 
 > repository.   D We haven't ever been excited about helping people modify their DCPS F environment in unsupported ways.  On the other hand, people have made E things work that might be helpful to others.  Having a repository of  G customer-supplied stuff might be helpful, although having it at Compaq  3 would imply some level of approval, if not support.   G Much of this work has been done to make DCPS-unsupported printers work 	G or work better.  Now that there are no more Digital- or Compaq-branded sH printers, DCPS is free to support more printers than before.  Decisions H about what brands or models to support have not yet been made, but it's H safe to say that DCPS will support what used to be called "third-party" H printers more quickly in future versions.  Such changes also impact the ! concept of the DCPS-OPEN license.p  C We have also thought of making customer modifications easier, so a nI knowledge of PostScript would not be necessary or changes would not have eG to be reapplied after every upgrade of DCPS.  This would involve major 9  changes to how DCPS works today.   Paul   --  "    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering*    Compaq Computer Corporation, Gardner MA7    (please use 'panderson@genicom.com' address for now)M   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:16:50 GMTn' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> 1 Subject: Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alphae- Message-ID: <39912F91.303F1124@theblakes.com>a   Glen Martin wrote:  $ > byer@cartman.ourservers.net wrote: >eP > > With the above kit one shouldn't have any problems compiling GTK+ with a preO > > DEC C v6.2 compiler and I've been told that it also compiles as far back asn > > DEC C v5.7 >rJ > Just so you know, the OpenVMS Porting library doesn't seem to be able toG > build using DEC C V5.6-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V6.2, so it looks like weo3 > have a lower bounds on how far back it will go...h >O	 > $ gmake 5 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image CMA$TIS_SHRa > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file7 > VIOLET$DRA0:[SYS51.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXEO< > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image  Q Looks like the gmake image that ships with the porting library was linked on V7.1/N or similar, and so isn't happy on your V6.2 system. I sure someone will have aM version that runs on V6.2. If not, you can always download gmake and build ite	 yourself.E  / Mind you, DEC C V5.6 is going to be pushing it.-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:43:22 -0500) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>:1 Subject: Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alphac/ Message-ID: <sp2nsaqq63a171@corp.supernews.com>C  9 "Glen Martin" <GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.education> wrote 9 in message news:399022C0.72772F26@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu...l( > byer@cartman.ourservers.network wrote: >l6 > > With the above kit one shouldn't have any problems5 > > compiling GTK+ with a pre DEC C v6.2 compiler and 7 > > I've been told that it also compiles as far back asa > > DEC C v5.7 >h7 > Just so you know, the OpenVMS Porting library doesn't 2 > seem to be able to build using DEC C V5.6-003 on) > OpenVMS Alpha V6.2, so it looks like we 3 > have a lower bounds on how far back it will go...a >h	 > $ gmakeA5 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image CMA$TIS_SHR4 > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file7 > VIOLET$DRA0:[SYS51.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXES< > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > $ cc /version-& > DEC C V5.6-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V6.25 > $ anal/image VIOLET$DRA0:[SYS51.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]b >CMA$TIS_SHR.EXE  G The GNV library, not to be confused with the OpenVMS porting library is G built against a DEC C RTL that was obtained pre-release of OpenVMS 7.3.l  1 It is likely that is what is causing your errors.o  K Your alternative is to build everything from source.  It is not clear to meuK from your error message if gmake is generating the error, or something thatc
 it spawns.  E I have not looked at the GNV kits in detail to determine what the newEI functionality in the 7.3 DECC$SHR image that they use or require, so I do J not know how much of it will function if you simply rebuild it to use your current C RTL.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:24:10 -0600 1 From: Glen Martin <GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>b1 Subject: Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alpha 4 Message-ID: <39913F5A.1B274914@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>   John E. Malmberg wrote:   I > The GNV library, not to be confused with the OpenVMS porting library ispI > built against a DEC C RTL that was obtained pre-release of OpenVMS 7.3.o > 3 > It is likely that is what is causing your errors.e  @ I assume that you are referring to the "Gnu's Not VMS" librariesG available at sourceforge. I don't have those installed. I was trying to_G build the OpenVMS porting libraries from Compaq. Or are you saying thatrC GNV was used to build the gmake image contained in Compaq's portingi library?   Glen   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:43:37 -0600 1 From: Glen Martin <GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>,1 Subject: Re: GTK+ now available for OpenVMS Alphae4 Message-ID: <399143E9.217665BD@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>  G As an alternative to getting gmake built from scratch, does anyone knowe> how to convert a unix-style make file into a descrip.mms file?   Glen   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:55:20 -0700_, From: nmike <mikeNOmiSPAM@marsat.ru.invalid>( Subject: Help with RAID selection needed9 Message-ID: <0241eb6e.61b2067f@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com>s  	 Dear All, 4 My AS1200 running OVMS 7.1-1H1 got filled with data,1 and all internal drive bays are full. We consider55 buying of external RAID controller with some storage.n4 We plan to connect it via spare KZPBA controller. At6 the moment plans are to buy INFORTREND IFT-3102U2 RAID8 controller and 2 IBM 36,7 GB U2WSCSI HDD, of course with9 appropriate case, battery backup and cables. Does anybodyi9 tried this configuration ? Will it work at all ? At firstn4 sight, it should, but I have no experience with such devices. Thank you in advance.a   Mikhail Nosov, Morsviazsputnik IT Manager.> E-Mail: mike@marsat.ru http://www.marsat.ru    ; -----------------------------------------------------------h  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!e http://www.keen.com>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:07:01 +0200v& From: Roland Haider <roland@merlin.at>$ Subject: Re: I NEED imagemagick5.1.1) Message-ID: <3990F505.AC646539@merlin.at>    H Behling wrote:   > Hello newsgroup, >nG > I know it is a rather odd question, but is there somebody who has the % > imagemagick 5.1.1 zip file for vms. H > Imagemagick is a graphics utility, however the current release (5.2.2)A > contains some nasty habits when obtaining a dump of the screen. G > I know 5.1.1. was ok, but I don't have the original zip file anymore.  > Any help is welcome. >b > Herman Behling  H If 5.1.1 is the version on the freeware cd v3, then i can dig it out for you.  E i tried to compile it on a vaxstation 4000 and it alsways failed withd "virtualF memory limit exceeded" so i finaly gave up. so just in case you get it workingc please let me know also.   cheers, roland   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 18:04:25 +0100NO From: pmoreau@dev.ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40) $ Subject: Re: I NEED imagemagick5.1.1  Message-ID: <I080sBaozC3F@sable>  , In article <8mpfpj$b6qa7$1@reader1.wxs.nl>, % "H Behling" <hbehling@wxs.nl> writes:D > Hello newsgroup, > G > I know it is a rather odd question, but is there somebody who has thev% > imagemagick 5.1.1 zip file for vms.oH > Imagemagick is a graphics utility, however the current release (5.2.2)A > contains some nasty habits when obtaining a dump of the screen. G > I know 5.1.1. was ok, but I don't have the original zip file anymore.  > Any help is welcome.  ? I have ImageMAgick 5.1.0 sources available at the DECW archive:o  % http://www2.cenaath.cena.dgac.fr/ftp/w   or  ' http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/decw/n  B Take a look at New additions section (5.1.0 wad added in January).  N The current version is 5.2.2, working on Alpha and VAX VMS (the sharable buildI for Alpha was recently updated at John's official site, you can grab it).r   Patricks --O ===============================================================================AO pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU) 4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:51:41 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)6 Subject: Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0908000251410001@user-2ive7o5.dialup.mindspring.com>  r In article <y%4k5.11237$_s1.212499@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:    N > The 9000 was not one of DEC's flaming successes. Total sales of 454 systems.  H That's not that bad.  Boeing only sold their 1000th 747 a few years ago.  L I guess it's an open question whether a 747 or a Vax 9000 burns fuel faster.     > A Risky VAX Scheme, it was!f  I So you're on the fax list for the talking points, I see.  If THAT'S wherey$ you're getting your inside info, ...   -- b Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:43:38 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>6 Subject: Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus); Message-ID: <u6ek5.4873$pu4.359012@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e   >aG > > The 9000 was not one of DEC's flaming successes. Total sales of 454o systems. >PJ > That's not that bad.  Boeing only sold their 1000th 747 a few years ago. > F > I guess it's an open question whether a 747 or a Vax 9000 burns fuel faster.u  E Hmmm... assuming fossil-fuel power generation, we're looking at 89-92cK percent steam generator efficiency, 1-2 percent heat loss to turbine-drivenuL electrical generator, and distribution line loss of 10-50 percent, there's aH lot o' Lost Electricity. Hence on a BTU basis the aircraft might be moreH fuel-efficient. And a 747-400 with a glass-panel cockpit update has more1 computational horsepower than a cluster of 9000s.a  J That said, I am unaware of any runway collisions involving a pair of 9000s: (remember Tenerife Island). Collided page faults, maybe...   >A >A > > A Risky VAX Scheme, it was!  >sK > So you're on the fax list for the talking points, I see.  If THAT'S wherec& > you're getting your inside info, ...  C Heaven forbid. As added insurance, I don't even have a fax machine.o   cheer\s,   terry sp$ Chair, Matco for President Committee2 "Charlie Matco: Fighting for Working Compaq Users"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:45:12 -0400e2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)Y Subject: Re: My vax was bigger than your vax (Was: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000TL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0908000245130001@user-2ive7o5.dialup.mindspring.com>  d In article <cs2k5.79728$N4.2007409@ozemail.com.au>, "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote:    H > One advantage of a dual cpu vax 8820 was that it was so tall operators< > couldn't leave old tapes and stuff on top of the cabinets.  " You must have had short operators!   :-)e   -- o Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comI   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 16:06:47 GMTT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: My vax was bigger than your vax (Was: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000)6 Message-ID: <8mrvin$510$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  e In article <cs2k5.79728$N4.2007409@ozemail.com.au>, "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au> writes:r ..G :One advantage of a dual cpu vax 8820 was that it was so tall operatorss< :couldn't leave old tapes and stuff on top of the cabinets.   I   Hire taller staff. :-) I used to store stuff inside these cabinets, andbI   on top of the cabinets, quite regularly -- out of sight of those folks  I   that were door- and/or vertically-challeged.  Nobody ever looked insideo   that spare BA11. :-)  J   OpenVMS Engineering also has various, um, stuff mounted in 2m cabinets, K   as do various of our customers -- folks that are footage-challenged will BJ   quite commonly use and prefer taller cabinetry.  (Simply mounting stuff 3   in the top end of these 2m racks is interesting.)g  H   For purposes of comparision, the VAX 8800 series (The VAX 8500, 8530, J   8550, 8700, 8800, 8810, 8820, 8820N, 8830, 8840, 8974, and 8978 series) C   cabinet height is 152cm.  The AlphaServer 8200, AlphaServer 8400,nF   AlphaServer GS60, AlphaServer GS140, VAX 10000, VAX 9000, VAX 7000, J   and VAX 6000 series are also all roughly the same (circa 154 cm) height.K   I haven't looked down the rows in the lab nor looked at the spec sheets,  G   but I'd expect the AlphaServer GS80, GS160, and GS320 series are all     also roughly the same height.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:51:27 -0600' From: "Dan Notov" <dannospam@large.com> : Subject: Re: OpenVMS ALPHA Port Of AOL Instant Messenger ?? Message-ID: <038k5.21237$gv3.669948@news-east.usenetserver.com>s  0 David P. Murphy <dpm@myths.com> wrote in message( news:sp1i39gj63a94@news.supernews.com...? > i am using AOL IM right now (my name is "thudain") to arrangeu? > for a friend in the boston area to come visit in a few weeks. > > very very convenient to have a realtime conversation without > the long distance bill.e >)@ > Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@sendspamhere.org> wrote:- > > carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:M >a4 > >>>Does this AOL thing have an "off hook" feature? >eH > >>I havn't used AIM, but other similar programs let you to make a listK > >>of who is allowed to send you a message (or, alternatively, who isn't).o >rG > IM does indeed have lists of people to watch for and people to block.  >iI > >>If you stop the program, you obviously won't be getting any messages.t >/4 > i'd like to meet the programmer who can beat that. >aJ > > I much assumed that.  What I want it the equivalent of a "busy signal"0 > > generated by leaving the phone off-hook.  ;) >pJ > has that too.  it's called the Away Message.  you can keep many messagesK > ready to use, or type in a once-only.  people can see that you're "busy".n >sJ > >>isn't like Phone where it will send you "X::Y is phoning you" messages% > >>even when you are not running it.e >tK > mmmm, it's close.  if you're "away" it logs all the messages sent to you.$ >4@ > if someone who is on your "good" list attempts to message you,D > a window is automatically created and the message is acknowledged. >}? > if someone who is on your "bad" list attempts to message you,- > the message is refused.- >-< > if someone who is on neither list attempts to message you,@ > a dialog box appears with the information and several choices. >r, > it's Pretty Darn Useful, and free to boot.G It's also pretty darn ubiquitous. Most of my non-technical friends, andeG relatives are AOL/AIM users. It's easy to quickly chat messages back 'n D forth during the working day. I find it less of an interruption than answering the (real) phone.n  L There is also a limited chat room feature. However, only non-AOL members can. join a chat room. Never understood that one...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:12:05 -04002 From: "Kirby Jones" <kirby@networkingdynamics.com> Subject: OPenVMS times/ Message-ID: <sKck5.13$F4.21956@news.intnet.net>   I I think we all need to promote this publication and assist the entire VMSy world in! bringing about a VMS renaissance!i  C It's time the rest of the world here's the other side of the story.o   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 08:16:59 -0500h9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)hO Subject: OT: Telemarketing (was: OpenVMS ALPHA Port Of AOL Instant Messenger ?) + Message-ID: <4hhGUycEu99u@eisner.decus.org>n  p In article <009EE509.CFAB82B5@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:  ) > How about a 'voice menu' like option.  p > 3 > If you know your party's extansion dial it now ord > dial 1 for sales > dial 2 for technical support' > dial 3 for mind numbing music on holdd > dial M for Murderp  G Brian, I guess we will have to label you as a "friend of telemarketers" ; if you commit such severe lapses on your voice menus as to:g  ' 	a) list the options in numerical order 2 	b) use single digit integers for the menu choices5 	c) accept their menu choices without requiring theirv9 		18 digit code number (within a 3 second timeout window)o  D The only way you can redeem yourself for the omissions is to arrangeB that 90% of the leaf nodes that are three or more levels deep dump them back to the main menu.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:08:55 GMT5 From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.ukn+ Subject: Privileges required for sys$crmpsca1 Message-ID: <399181b2.30014228@usenet.force9.net>1   Hi,l  @ I need to create a global section (page file) and I need to know= which privileges are required.  Can anyone tell me or tell mes where it is documented?e   TIAE  
 Mark Williams  http://www.techop.co.ukt   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 17:33:15 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: Privileges required for sys$crmpscl6 Message-ID: <8ms4kr$5s6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Q In article <399181b2.30014228@usenet.force9.net>, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk writes:gA :I need to create a global section (page file) and I need to knowS> :which privileges are required.  Can anyone tell me or tell me :where it is documented?  D   The OpenVMS System Services Reference Manual documentation for theE   $crmpsc call has text in the description section that specifically mD   addresses the privileges required for the various $crmpsc options.  ;   The current OpenVMS documentation is available online at:   (     http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/'     http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/,  F   A source code example of using $crmpsc to double-map a section into 7   process virtual address space is available online at:-  )     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/G     N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:36:33 -0400w* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>" Subject: Re: Raid array 300 on VMS- Message-ID: <39909981.422A32FB@tsoft-inc.com>    Dave Gudewicz wrote: > M > BTW, the price was right on this RA3000.  I found it in one of our computerlL > rooms and "borrowed" it forever.  Seems like our NT group has lots of toysJ > (and budget nowadays) and like my kids (and I'm sure others) forget what > they have.  N The reason they have a large budget is because that's the only you can keep NTM running.  The catch is that you don't find this out until after you commit toE: NT, after accepting the claims of NT being less expensive.   Dave   -- M4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:47:09 GMTo% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> " Subject: Re: Raid array 300 on VMS) Message-ID: <8mrudq$r1n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l  8 In article <8mp0in$5ff$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>,4   "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote:C > We have a RA3000 on a VMS system and it seems to be working well.mC > Trouble is when one has 2 controllers, one needs a PC with 2, yesoE > count em' 2, COM ports to configure the darn thing.  We usually use D > laptops for this job and most (if not all) don't have 2 COM ports.D > In fact, many desktop PCs don't have 2 COM ports.  I know my DECpcB > doesn't.  What were they thinking when they designed this thing?2 > How to make it difficult.  Sounds like it to me.  A No. It is as I said in a previous note: this was thought as a low @ NT storage subsystem, but for some strange reason others fell in? love with it, too and demanded all sorts of things (other OSes,"A dual controllers, non-NT Cluster Support - I've talked to someone # from manufacturing some weeks ago).o  @ Oh, and remember that this is not a DEC design - it is from CMD!. It certainly does not deserve the HSZ22 name!!    > Anyone know a way around this?  @ You managed to bind both controllers with SWCC? Congratulations!  E When my colleague tried this, it apparently failed (the behaviour wasv8 wrong, when he tested), but SWCC claimed it had done it.  F He switched to the ASCII menu (remember: <ESC> and '&', password:RAID) and bound them from there.  D > BTW, the price was right on this RA3000.  I found it in one of ourD > computer rooms and "borrowed" it forever.  Seems like our NT groupB > has lots of toys (and budget nowadays) and like my kids (and I'm% > sure others) forget what they have.4  C Ah, yes. Many years ago I've inherited a 'broken' RZ26B disk from anB (N)ot(T)rustable server. It did work fine on my VAXstation 4000-60" as long as I was with the company.   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.B   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:17:43 -04002 From: "Kirby Jones" <kirby@networkingdynamics.com> Subject: re OpenVMS TIMESt/ Message-ID: <IPck5.14$F4.22025@news.intnet.net>c  J I should wake up before I write. I meant to say it is time the rest of the3 world hears not here's the other side of the story.e   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:57:33 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>? Subject: Re: Support of PowerStorm 300/350 under OpenVMS 7.1-2?eI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008091453320.5373-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>-  ) On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Rudolf Wingert wrote:0   +Hello,0 +v +Ken Randell wrotes: +l +>>>K +Support for P300 and P350 for VMS 7.1-2 (other versions available as well}9+ +is now available via patch ... details at:e +r5 +ftp.service.../dec-axpvms-vms712_p350-v100--4.readmet +<<< +b +I did not found this patch.  %  Rudolf, you do *exactly* the patch ?   The patch is good:,5 http://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/a(  and I can see without truoble the file:/ dec-axpvms-vms712_p350-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexet  1 + I did found only a patch for OpenVMS 7.2-1, the.J +newer one version of OpenVMS. There is no note, that I can use this patchK +also for OpenVMS 7.1-2. Do Ken have newer/other information. Is this patchd) +to new, to find them on the normal site?l    What you mean "normal site" ?1  Exactly under ftp.service.digital.com via HTTP !m   + I did search the ITS within I +Germany and the TIS under the WIS.SERVICE.DIGITAL.DE WEBpage without anym
 +success.   &  Say us, why not the digital.com ? -:)   +TIA and regards Rudolf WingertN    Regards - Gotfryd   -- -E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEs. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:58:45 -0400n* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>0 Subject: Re: Supressing Commands from a COM File- Message-ID: <39909EB5.EF799C98@tsoft-inc.com>A   Shawn M wrote: > 	 > Hi all,h > F > We are running OpenVms 7.1 on an AlphaServer here in our shop.  I amE > in the midst of writing a COM file which will freeze a Mumps DB forn	 > backup.  > F > After I issue the command to freeze the DB, I am prompted for manualF > input.  It is the same question for each of the 10 DB's which i have > to freeze. > G > Instead of manually typing the information, I would like the COM file=: > to automate the response, for example a sample would be: > - > Do you really want to freeze this database?E > H > I would like to have the COM file automatically answer Y and continue? > 6 > Can someone give me some ideas on what I need to do. >  > Thanks >  > Shawn   O I'm assuming here that you're invoking the command file from your terminal, not L in batch.  The key here is to understand what's happening as far as input is= concerned when running a command file, and running a program.=  J There are SYS$COMMAND and SYS$INPUT.  DCL reads from SYS$COMMAND, and whenP invoking a command file from your terminal, SYS$COMMAND is read from the commandG file, rather than the keyboard, until the command file exits.  However,AH SYS$INPUT is still the terminal, not the command file.  When you run theP program, from within the command file, when it does input, it is from SYS$INPUT,2 and you then have to answer the question yourself.  P Assuming this is your problem, what you need to do is have the program read fromO the command file, not the keyboard.  There are various ways of doing this.  You L can re-assign SYS$INPUT to the value SYS$COMMAND, but if not done correctly,J this can get messy.  I for one have gotten things to the point where a fewK choice words and a quick logoff and login are the easiest fix.  My favorite L thing to do is to spawn the command file instead of invoking it with the '@'
 character.  1 	SPAWN /NOWAIT /NOTIFY /INPUT=<command file name>h  O In this example, both SYS$COMMAND and SYS$INPUT read from the command file, andAL you still have the option of having SYS$OUTPUT and SYS$ERROR directed to theN terminal, or add /OUTPUT=<filename> to have the output go to a file instead of
 the terminal.n  M It becomes a bit clearer if you type the command SHOW LOGICAL /PROCESS SYS*. tL Note that the logical TT is also involved.  create the one line command file" Z.COM with the following contents:   	$ SHOW LOG/PROC SYS*9   Then do 3 things.e   	$ SPAWN /IN=Z   	$ @Zn   	$ SHOW LOG/PROC SYS*i  @ Compare the output from each and you'll understand your problem.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:22:29 -0600) From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>  Subject: TCPIP stacksA' Message-ID: <39918545.37A96ED6@srv.net>e  6 I'm trying to get prices for a TCPIP stack for an old 8 MicroVax 3100/10 running VMS 5.5.  The DEC web pages are5 useless when looking for prices, and I'd like to know  of other options than just UCX.t  , This system did not come with a ucx license.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 16:55:07 GMT ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)m Subject: Re: TCPIP stacks ' Message-ID: <8ms2db$l2s$1@joe.rice.edu>a    Kevin Handy (kth@srv.net) wrote:8 : I'm trying to get prices for a TCPIP stack for an old : : MicroVax 3100/10 running VMS 5.5.  The DEC web pages are7 : useless when looking for prices, and I'd like to knowe! : of other options than just UCX.t  . : This system did not come with a ucx license.   Is this for hobbyist usage ?  
 If so see:  $    http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/  E You can also get hobbyist licenses for Process Software's TCPWare andi Multinet TCP/IP stacks.n  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:00:04 GMTu) From: Lonny Balderston <lbalders@gte.net>( Subject: UCX error message# Message-ID: <39918F21.672E@gte.net>$  6 The Alpha I support began getting the following error " message most likely due to rexecs:  ;    %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   9-AUG-2000 08:47:57.17  %%%%%%%%%%%a'    Message from user INTERnet on ALPHA1 1    INTERnet ACP AUXS failure  Status = %RMS-F-WERt  0 Anyone have any idea just what is going on here?  , Alpha 4100 5/400, VMS 7.1-1H1, UCX 4.1 ECO 9  
 Thank you,   Lonny Balderston lbalders at gte dot net    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:54:41 GMTo From: docarojr@my-deja.com5 Subject: VMS System Administrator needed - Groton, CTv) Message-ID: <8mrgq1$h5m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   % Located on the scenic Conn coastline:    Hi Everyone,  F Below is a listing of open positions with both CSDG and Liberator (theC new ASP company that Keith, Scott, and Sheldon Schake are forming.)nD Descriptions for the positions follow and will also be posted to ourC web site and Monster.com shortly. Please have interested candidatesa6 contact me. And don't forget about our referral bonus!   Oracle DBA - Groton - CSDG( VMS System Administrator - Groton - CSDG   Thanks,A Kathy   
 (413)746-0054    VMS Systems Administrators  B Founded in 1995, Court Square Data Group, Inc. (CSDG) is a rapidlyE growing systems consulting and software development firm with officespB in Springfield and Boston, MA and Groton, CT. We have an immediateD opening for an OpenVMS Systems Administrator to join our team in our9 Groton office. Please visit our web site at www.csdg.com.n  E This position will be responsible for providing technical support and-- consulting services, including the following:r  5 *Install, configure, and troubleshoot OpenVMS serversV; *Recommend and implement changes to improve OpenVMS systems2* availability, reliability, and performance; *Monitor the VMS environment and the Customer Request queue1' *Coordinate hardware and software fixesu& *Install patches and firmware upgradesB *Assist customers with application installs and technical requests$ *Troubleshoot configuration problems" *Administer storage configurations  F Ideal candidates will have a minimum of 3 years experience installing,? configuring, and trouble-shooting multi-server OpenVMS systems.sG Candidates must be proficient with VMS OS commands and utilities and be F familiar with system administration tools and techniques for clustered= environments. Strong telephone support, customer service, andy@ troubleshooting skills are necessary. Candidates must be able toB communicate effectively with clients and end-users, manage severalA assignments simultaneously, and be able to work as a contributingp member of a team.e    
 Oracle DBA  B Founded in 1995, Court Square Data Group, Inc. (CSDG) is a rapidlyE growing systems consulting and software development firm with officesoB in Springfield and Boston, MA and Groton, CT. We have an immediateG opening for an Oracle DBA to join our team in our Springfield or Bostons office.'  E This position will be responsible for providing Oracle 8 support in avE multi-processor environment including the following: troubleshooting,wD performing installs and configuration, upgrades and database tuning,C database integrity and security evaluations, perform conceptual andl< logical database design, perform backups and recoveries, andG maintenance and support in a production environment. This position wills+ work closely with developers and end-users.   C A minimum of 3-5 years experience is required. Candidates must alsonB have experience in designing and programming database applications? using Oracle and have skills in SQL/PL SQL. Knowledge of OraclenG Designer 2000 and/or Developer 2000 is desired. Candidates must be able E to communicate effectively with clients and end-users, manage severaloA assignments simultaneously, and be able to work as a contributingt member of a team.v     Kathy Asinas, HR Manager Court Square Data Group, Inc.o2 Information Solutions that Work in the Real World. Voice 413.746.0054 Fax 413.746.0058    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.O   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:54:54 GMT  From: docarojr@my-deja.com5 Subject: VMS System Administrator needed - Groton, CTi) Message-ID: <8mrgqd$h5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>h  % Located on the scenic Conn coastline:    Hi Everyone,  F Below is a listing of open positions with both CSDG and Liberator (theC new ASP company that Keith, Scott, and Sheldon Schake are forming.)TD Descriptions for the positions follow and will also be posted to ourC web site and Monster.com shortly. Please have interested candidatesA6 contact me. And don't forget about our referral bonus!   Oracle DBA - Groton - CSDG( VMS System Administrator - Groton - CSDG   Thanks,  Kathyu  
 (413)746-0054s   VMS Systems Administrators  B Founded in 1995, Court Square Data Group, Inc. (CSDG) is a rapidlyE growing systems consulting and software development firm with officesvB in Springfield and Boston, MA and Groton, CT. We have an immediateD opening for an OpenVMS Systems Administrator to join our team in our9 Groton office. Please visit our web site at www.csdg.com.c  E This position will be responsible for providing technical support andt- consulting services, including the following:o  5 *Install, configure, and troubleshoot OpenVMS serverss; *Recommend and implement changes to improve OpenVMS systemsm* availability, reliability, and performance; *Monitor the VMS environment and the Customer Request queue ' *Coordinate hardware and software fixeso& *Install patches and firmware upgradesB *Assist customers with application installs and technical requests$ *Troubleshoot configuration problems" *Administer storage configurations  F Ideal candidates will have a minimum of 3 years experience installing,? configuring, and trouble-shooting multi-server OpenVMS systems.uG Candidates must be proficient with VMS OS commands and utilities and berF familiar with system administration tools and techniques for clustered= environments. Strong telephone support, customer service, and.@ troubleshooting skills are necessary. Candidates must be able toB communicate effectively with clients and end-users, manage severalA assignments simultaneously, and be able to work as a contributingr member of a team.l    
 Oracle DBA  B Founded in 1995, Court Square Data Group, Inc. (CSDG) is a rapidlyE growing systems consulting and software development firm with officessB in Springfield and Boston, MA and Groton, CT. We have an immediateG opening for an Oracle DBA to join our team in our Springfield or Bostona office.l  E This position will be responsible for providing Oracle 8 support in avE multi-processor environment including the following: troubleshooting,bD performing installs and configuration, upgrades and database tuning,C database integrity and security evaluations, perform conceptual and-< logical database design, perform backups and recoveries, andG maintenance and support in a production environment. This position willl+ work closely with developers and end-users.-  C A minimum of 3-5 years experience is required. Candidates must alsoeB have experience in designing and programming database applications? using Oracle and have skills in SQL/PL SQL. Knowledge of OracleTG Designer 2000 and/or Developer 2000 is desired. Candidates must be ablelE to communicate effectively with clients and end-users, manage severaloA assignments simultaneously, and be able to work as a contributingr member of a team.h     Kathy Asinas, HR Manager Court Square Data Group, Inc.a2 Information Solutions that Work in the Real World. Voice 413.746.0054 Fax 413.746.0058    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:13:01 -04002- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>F  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS, Message-ID: <3990F659.E782AA37@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:L > Cutler was given the opportunity to create, from the ground up, (at least)J > one more highly-ambitious operating system.  It's what he's done all hisN > life, what he enjoys, and what he had just lost the opportunity to do at DECL > with the collapse of the PRISM/Mica effort - quite possibly forever, sinceM > that was twelve years ago and it's pretty clear now that there was no otherm > new OS on DEC's horizon.  L So, he went to play at Microsoft instead of DEC because DEC wouldn't let him play. Understood.g    J > The user interface (certainly the GUI, and likely the command interface)M > were at least somewhat defined by existing Microsoft products - and I doubt K > Cutler gave a damn (I suspect it's function more than form that interests  > him).   H But isn't the vast majority of NT in terms of lines of code comprised ofN API/GUI stuff and not the small kernel portion that cutler was responsible forH ? What good is having a Cutler-quality kernel when the rest of the OS is unreliable ?  I Can Cutler really be proud of NT when he knows that all the stuff layeredr5 above his stuff is unreliable and makes NT look bad ?t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:33:37 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>a  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS( Message-ID: <8mr1dh$n5b$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3990F659.E782AA37@videotron.ca... > Bill Todd wrote:G > > Cutler was given the opportunity to create, from the ground up, (at' least)L > > one more highly-ambitious operating system.  It's what he's done all hisL > > life, what he enjoys, and what he had just lost the opportunity to do at DECsH > > with the collapse of the PRISM/Mica effort - quite possibly forever, sincedI > > that was twelve years ago and it's pretty clear now that there was noe othert > > new OS on DEC's horizon. > J > So, he went to play at Microsoft instead of DEC because DEC wouldn't let himw > play. Understood.   L I don't think you understand at all.  What Cutler did was nothing like play.L He simply refused to waste his time, and doing things that weren't largely aG waste of his time and talent had ceased to be an option at DEC, whereastH Microsoft had a real need for him to do exactly the things he wanted to.   >  >tL > > The user interface (certainly the GUI, and likely the command interface)I > > were at least somewhat defined by existing Microsoft products - and I  doubt:C > > Cutler gave a damn (I suspect it's function more than form thatl	 interestsu	 > > him).S >oJ > But isn't the vast majority of NT in terms of lines of code comprised ofL > API/GUI stuff and not the small kernel portion that cutler was responsible fort  J Cutler was responsible for virtually all of the first version of NT.  ThatH was not his choice:  he would have preferred (according to the book, andH again this is very believable) to have limited his responsibility to theL kernel and relatively system-internal services, but had things like graphicsD and networking given to him because that was the only organizational7 structure that seemed to have any chance of succeeding.e  J > ? What good is having a Cutler-quality kernel when the rest of the OS is > unreliable ?  C The first release wasn't bad in an absolute sense, and a miracle oftJ stability compared with traditional Microsoft fare (even ignoring the factK that it was a product an order of magnitude more complex than any MicrosoftaI had yet produced).  I don't know enough details to have a real opinion on L how it might have compared in stability with VMS V1.0, but I suspect that ifD it had followed the same kind of reliability path over time that VMSL followed during its early years rather than a path more typical of MicrosoftC products NT would be a damn respectable system in that area by now.=   >=K > Can Cutler really be proud of NT when he knows that all the stuff layered	7 > above his stuff is unreliable and makes NT look bad ?p  L I have no idea how proud Cutler may or may not be of NT today.  But he couldG be, and was, justifiably proud of NT's first release, and (as I've said A before) it's entirely possible that his control over the system'spJ development significantly decreased after the first release (especially asJ there were grandiose efforts already in place for a follow-on product thatD he may have perceived as impractical - correctly, as it turned out).  L If anyone happens to know what Cutler's been doing at Microsoft for the past+ few years, I'd be curious to hear about it.u   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Aug 2000 10:00:05 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>t  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OSH Message-ID: <y4u2cu27ay.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M  H > What good is having a Cutler-quality kernel when the rest of the OS is > unreliable ?  D I seem to remember that in the initial releases of WNT, the usual MSE sloppiness shone through. Although the actual kernel interface wasn'thD (and still isn't, I believe) published - only the Win32 API and the E information necessary to write drivers is - people reverse-engineeredME the kernel calls. And then they tested the kernel's argument checkingmD and found loads of holes - at one point, I remember a post here thatD contained three lines of x86 assembler that would "reliably crash" a# WNT system (was that you, Glenn?). t  F But then, even VMS had one of those fixed in the last year, and it was a day-one bug...   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 08:08:55 -0500.9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)a  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS+ Message-ID: <Qe2Fy9LkXMx7@eisner.decus.org>s  s In article <qZ3k5.10616$_s1.209088@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:m  L > IIRC Cutler did RSX and VAXeln, not VMS per se. Dave was, however, the bigE > dog in the PRISM/Mica effort, and Windows NT/2000 today is a rather  > Mica-flecked OS.  C Dave Cutler was Project Leader for VMS Version 1, twenty years ago.A  H That was before VMS had disk quotas or an acceptable Batch/Print system.  3 The initial release did not have RMS indexed files.l  @ The distributed lock manager was not introduced until Version 4.  A While VMS was making those improvements, Cutler was producing the B VAX C compiler that went at least 4 years without debugger supportD (compiler groups at the time were responsible for their own debugger? support).  The C compiler was done as an experiment in having afA common back end with the PL/I compiler.  That back end came to be & known as the VCG (VAX Code Generator).  C I never me the man, but viewed externally his track record seems to ; be that of diletante (in the pejorative sense of the word).T   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:59:35 GMTF& From: wspencer@ap.org (Warren Spencer)  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS- Message-ID: <sp2ou7r63a86@news.supernews.com>-  L So let me ask the question... Where is Cutler now?  Assuming he's alive and / well, perhaps we should get answers from him...    ws  J << My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do I  >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:52:13 -0400s* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS- Message-ID: <3990E37D.D86AA429@tsoft-inc.com>e   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:- > < > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message > 5 > Much on Cutler, Mica, birth of NT, et al deleted...D >  > >$F > > *Why* VMS is getting supplanted is not particularly relevant to myM > > observation that it *is* getting supplanted, albeit relatively slowly now ; > > (since most of those who could jump ship already have).d > M > What amazes me is that the license count has remained relatively stable foreK > since 1997-98. DECpaq itself anticipated that licenses would decline from:M > their peak of ~500K in the early 90's to perhaps ~200K by 2001. The licenseS@ > headcount remains pretty much what it was in 97-98: ~400-450K.  M Basically, what this seems to indicate is that the better part of 1/2 million G applications are viewed as 1) requiring the capabilities of VMS, 2) the(M applications are only available on VMS, 3) the users are satisfied with using / VMS.  Could be more, that's what comes to mind.s  M If you go back to the days before the IBM PC, the half million licenses would G indicate that the computer manufacturer was moderately successful.  OneUJ perspective is that the big change since then is the vast prolifiration ofO replacements for typewriters, calculaters, filing cabinets for typed documents,aO etc.  These areas did have some small penetration by computers, but compared to,N today, very little.  So a possible question is, did VMS and some others reallyH decline much, or are they just vastly overshadowed by the hugh number of typewriter replacements?  P I'd think that while the typewriter replacement event is separate from computingI before the IBM PC, VMS at least has declined.  It could have continued inkO education, in process control, in the office, even the desktop, if an effort tooO be competitive was made, and then there is the additional market created by thecL internet.  A perfect place for VMS, if DEC at that time had even the IQ of aO moron.  I do believe I read somewhere that Netscape came to DEC, wanting to use M VMS as the native OS for their browser, and were turned away.  I don't 'know'( this, just read it somewhere.t  
 > > And byM > > conspicuously supporting VMS - including, but not limited to, significant E > > marketing efforts - Compaq *could* likely turn this trend around.s >  > Yep.  K The product is still viable, still leads in some catagories, and has a good O solid base upon which to grow new features, and has technical people who can doiN things well.  Why wouldn't something like VMS have an excellent chance to growG and prosper?  Commitment.  Public perception.  Be competitive.  Not toot unsurmountable.y  
 > > But untildM > > that happens, I suspect that the situation will continue, and continue tooL > > fuel some completely unjustified resentment at Cutler for his part in it > (IM > > mean, it's not as if DEC had been willing to provide the kind of creativefI > > environment that Microsoft offered:  if it had, he'd have stayed in aw > > minute). > J > It was March 1988 that DEC pulled the plug on PRISM/Mica in favor of theK > MIPS RISC architecture (PRISM was scalar/vector, and vector architecturesaM > were falling into disrepute by that time). Cutler bolted almost immediatelyf$ > thereafter, and understandably so.  5 Having been in similar situations, I sure understand.k  L > IIRC Cutler did RSX and VAXeln, not VMS per se. Dave was, however, the bigE > dog in the PRISM/Mica effort, and Windows NT/2000 today is a rathera > Mica-flecked OS. > M > And another reason why PRISM/Mica was scuttled: there was a war between theaK > high performance systems folks (Glorioso) and the midrange systems peopleeM > (Demmer). Glorioso advocated the VAX 9000 "mainframe" approach while DemmervK > was a midrange SMP (VAX 6000 Calypso) proponent. Glorioso won the battle. 4 > But it turned out to be a Pyrrhic victory for DEC.  M When a company will not let it's products compete with each other, some otherhP vendor WILL compete with the favored product, and if it cannot hold it's own, itO will be beaten.  I'd rather beat myself than let someone else do it.  Wonder ifa0 Compaq has figured this out yet?  DEC never did.   Dave   -- a4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:27:34 -0400S# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>0  Subject: RE: VMS Vs any other OSD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD7A6@berry.mvpsi.com>  6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] >  > Bill Todd wrote:> > > that happens, I suspect that the situation will continue,  > and continue to > > > fuel some completely unjustified resentment at Cutler for  > his part in it (I = > > mean, it's not as if DEC had been willing to provide the e > kind of creative> > > environment that Microsoft offered:  if it had, he'd have 
 > stayed in aa > > minute). >  > ? > I am not privy to what drove Cutler to leave DEC , now privy 8 > to what Microsofta > did to hire him.@ > However, I am not sure how much "creative environment" Cutler 
 > was given. o >w  L I think Cutler was given anything he wanted, including a Microsoft sponsoredJ 2 car Formula Atlantic racing team.  One car was driven by a real race carE driver and the other by Dave himself.  I wish I could get such fringet	 benefits!e  E Professionally, he was given the opportunity to create the a new O/S.-L Digital had killed the replacement for VMS which may have been the beginningL of the DECline.  I've heard lots of people pleading for VMS on Intel, CutlerJ wanted to make VMS hardware neutral 15 years ago.  Digital killed the idea8 and I think Cutler saw that as the beginning of the end.  : > He might have been given certain freedoms at the levels  > Microsoft had neverr2 > seen before because DOS had never dealt with it   > (multitasking), but I doubt he: > was given any freedom over application interfaces, user  > interfaces, or batch files.r > @ > So to me, NT is just a glorified multitasking DOS/WINDOWS box 
 > with a realv6 > kernel. I.E. the majority of NT was dictated by the  > DOS/WINDOWS legacy, ande1 > not created from scratch by Cutler and friends.n  C You have to examine the time line.  When NT development started OS2 H compatibility was viewed as being important.  They were at least 2 yearsI into development before Windows compatibility was the least bit importante (after Window V3.1 took off).r   > ? > I really don't see why Cutler is seen as a god by some. Now, s > if Hoff Hoffmann? > were to defect to Microsoft, that would be another story.... s > :-) ;-) :-) :-)  >h  K A lot of very talented people have contributed to the creation of VMS.  Mr.l' Hoffman and Mr. Cutler are two of them.n      ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 12:23:31 -0400l/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)m  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS* Message-ID: <8ms0i3$en4$1@lisa.gemair.com>  - In article <3990E37D.D86AA429@tsoft-inc.com>,n, David A Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > N >When a company will not let it's products compete with each other, some otherQ >vendor WILL compete with the favored product, and if it cannot hold it's own, itnP >will be beaten.  I'd rather beat myself than let someone else do it.  Wonder if1 >Compaq has figured this out yet?  DEC never did.o >i  F This is, I think, a key point.  The thinking that internal competitionE is bad and needs to be supressed is the thinking of a monopolist.  Ifl? only they could supress external competition through political g manuevering they would!i  C DEC was horrible at this.  I knew someone who worked with a managera@ in the DEC group that were making the multi-processor 486 ServerD boxes that ran SCO Unix (remember those?).  This guy complained thatC he had to endure no less than 12 separate internal reviews over thea? product because of the fears that the machine was a VAX killer.c  > Then, they killed the 10s and 20s because there was no room in( the product line for those and the VAXs.  F A company that's not afraid of competition isn't afraid of it whereverD it comes from.  They know that competition is really the only way toE keep yourself sharp.  Fostering competition is the act of a confidents competitor.   ? IBM is keen at this.  IBM has _many_ overlapping product lines.tD They're even pushing Linux heavily so as to create competition with 
 themselves.  w   >Dave/ >e >-- 5 >David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450,5 >Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596p? >DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comD7 >T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.comr   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 12:30:08 -0400y/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)h  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS* Message-ID: <8ms0ug$f2q$1@lisa.gemair.com>  - In article <sp2ou7r63a86@news.supernews.com>, ' Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.org> wrote:gM >So let me ask the question... Where is Cutler now?  Assuming he's alive and .0 >well, perhaps we should get answers from him... >e  H I doubt seriously that he reads this newsgroup, or even if he were asked0 wouldn't comment here.  He's still at Microsoft:  J http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/features/2000/jul00/07-03engineers2.asp   >wsu >rK ><< My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do I   >>>u   -Jordan Hendersonr jordan@greenapple.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:15:29 -0600a1 From: Glen Martin <GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>   Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS4 Message-ID: <39913D51.2A80D767@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>   Warren Spencer wrote:s > M > So let me ask the question... Where is Cutler now?  Assuming he's alive andt1 > well, perhaps we should get answers from him...A  @ It is my understanding that he has been actively involved in theF development of Windows 2000. Not sure what he was doing in the span ofA time between the initial release of NT and the start of the Win2K3 project.   Glen   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:33:42 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>)  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS( Message-ID: <8ms4io$s6d$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message$ news:8ms0ug$f2q$1@lisa.gemair.com.../ > In article <sp2ou7r63a86@news.supernews.com>,l) > Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.org> wrote:rJ > >So let me ask the question... Where is Cutler now?  Assuming he's alive ando2 > >well, perhaps we should get answers from him... > >  > J > I doubt seriously that he reads this newsgroup, or even if he were asked2 > wouldn't comment here.  He's still at Microsoft: >.L > http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/features/2000/jul00/07-03engineers2.asp  C Interesting to see the percentage of former DEC people in this listaI (including, I believe, Butler Lampson, though his CV doesn't mention it)..& Though not all came to MS with Cutler.  I Cutler's CV does indicate that he's had continuing responsibility for NT,dJ but my impression is at a somewhat less personal level than with the firstJ release.  I've been told privately that he's been enjoying sabbaticals andH other diversions since then (something he never would have done prior toL getting it out the door the first time), but stepped back up to the plate inJ at least one instance where the bug rate had taken a leap.  My guess wouldG be that he just gave up trying to completely reverse the attitude of MSeL after the first release:  on-going product support in the face of continuingL opposition isn't something I'd expect him to stick with, since that involves7 all the pain with no particular compensating enjoyment.o   - bill   >n > >wsu > > L > ><< My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do I > >>>a >y > -Jordan Henderson  > jordan@greenapple.come   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:35:20 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>r  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS( Message-ID: <8ms4ln$sds$1@pyrite.mv.net>  D Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:Qe2Fy9LkXMx7@eisner.decus.org...    ...t  E > I never me the man, but viewed externally his track record seems tot= > be that of diletante (in the pejorative sense of the word).V  K Just shows how easy it is to form completely incorrect perceptions when yout weren't there.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:46:06 +0200p From: Hugh D <dsdf@kfddpsd.com> 4 Subject: Want used graphics card for Jensen DEC 2000+ Message-ID: <3991447E.F9D47875@kfddpsd.com>p  H Can anyone suggest a place where I could find a suitable vga card for anE Alpha DEC 2000 (Jensen), in the UK? I know it will take, for example,t8 ati mach64 (ISA), but these are now hard to get hold of. Thanks.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:27:53 +0000. From: "T Bluck." <tb@planet-tharg.demon.co.uk>; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?y7 Message-ID: <r3auAHAZtHk5Iwy1@planet-tharg.demon.co.uk>t   O.K.  story No 2C         the scene is the basement of the stock exchange in London.  ? Plessey had just completed installing the new digital telephone0- switch, which consisted of two rows of racks.s; the air-con engineers made the same mistake as your guys...n: and sprayed the whole lot.. (I think they were Swedish?!?)  B There's also another more worrying story at the same site, but if 3 I tell you you've got to keep it a secret!.........e  @ ok. do you remember the hurricane back in the 80's...  well the B power went out in the stock...  in the basement the two generatorsE powered by Rolls-Royce V12 diesel engines, with compressed air start  @ and synchronising kit failed. they hadn't been turned over on a ? regular basis and had damaged (flattened) their bearings. they n> started and ran up, sync-locked one threw a rod and the other A snapped a shaft.  On the roof the gas-turbine-genny sent some of tD it's blades through the casing and into the room's walls along with " a fair quantity of fuel and oil.  B Just shows that you can spend all you like on backups, but they're# useless if not properly maintained.   - PS   you didn't hear any of this from me.....0 -- 88 Tim Bluck.   TB565   http://www.planet-tharg.demon.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:26:38 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?y- Message-ID: <3990A53E.7D450B93@tsoft-inc.com>    Alan Greig wrote:o > , > In article <398FEF68.91636599@uk.sun.com>,G >   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:e > >OF > > 3 months later the people in the offices below started to complain > abouttI > > damp and an inspection of the sub-floor revealed that there was still J > > 3 inches of water under all the systems. Still that must have kept the > > relative humidity up.i >  > Almost up to tile levelaH > was about 6 inches of water. Every single cable was entirely submergedG > and water was dripping down the CPU and memory blown by fans. SeveraleE > single phase outlets had blown but amazingly the 3-phase supply was D > intact and a very soggy DEC-20 was finally rapidly brought down byB > one very distressed engineer (realising he was sitting on a lake@ > with live power all around) hitting the nearest emergency stop	 > button.   O Ah yes, some of us do have good stories, but I happen to have 2.  Coincidently,- both are from the same entity.  P The first, a common disaster type.  Seems the computer room ceiling had asbestosJ in the tiles, and since that's now a no-no, it was slated for removal.  AsO normal, not everyone was on the same page, and one morning one of the technicaloJ people came in to find a workman standing on the disk drives, (with RP04s,O RP07s, and such, they seem a good bench to stand on), tearing down the ceiling,eP and the air in the room a white haze from all the asbestos dust, while the disks were still running.   P The second is a bit better.  A sheriff's department was running a PDP-11 system,O and had VT52 terminals.  A DEC service engineer was called in to fix one of theoK VT52s.  Upon looking at the terminal, with a hugh hole clear through it, hetH turns to the deputy and says "I'll fix this, but only if you give me theM story".  Seems a deputy was having trouble getting the computer to do what heoO wanted, and in a fit of frustration, jumps up, pulls out his weapon, and shootsc the damn thing!    Dave   -- l4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:31:56 -0700 5 From: Alan Greig <alan_greigNOalSPAM@fmc.com.invalid>a; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?n9 Message-ID: <065a1400.7242b03b@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com>e  5 In article <3990A53E.7D450B93@tsoft-inc.com>, David Ah# Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:l > slated for removal.  Asa4 > normal, not everyone was on the same page, and one > morning one of the technical7 > people came in to find a workman standing on the disk  > drives, (with RP04s,7 > RP07s, and such, they seem a good bench to stand on),   5 I can just imagine someone standing on a running RP04u7 and falling straight through the cover into the rapidlye5 spinning platters below. Ouch! An RP07 would probablyu have been safe enough.       * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is BeautifulI   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:48:05 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233? I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008091442360.5373-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>t  6 On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Fim [iso-8859-1] W=E4stberg wrote:  F +I have an Alpha workstation XL266 with this "half flashed" system wi= th just ARCr [...]eF +A FAT-diskette with the program fwupdate.exe, that is SRM firmware f= ile=20' +AS200_V7_0.EXE renamed, in the floppy.i [...] > +"Error: No such file or directory, press any key to continue" +*$ +Is anybody knowing what is wrong ??  A  Hm... 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If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,FG please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete this  message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingu of this message is prohibited.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 19:21:51 +0200 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: [TCPIP V5] TIMEDC ?* Message-ID: <3991932f$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  D As you might know, I recently upgraded one more UCX system to TCPIP.J With TCPIP V5.0A (with patch) the ICMP Type 13 (timestamp) seems now to be working again.  J Remember, in UCX V3, a ICMP Timestamp request got answered, but the answerH was random. So, engineering later disabled all ICMP timestamp answers (II think with V4). It was "not officially supported" and they decided to fixcK it this way. This was hard to understand, as the SPD listed and still listseK ICMP as supported and does not list single ICMP protocol items as supportedO and others as unsupported.  F With V5, ICMP timestamp answers seem to work again, BUT: they announceF the localtime and not the UTC (I've checked this also with a SNIFFER).   eg.h  " $ timedc clockdiff luna		!TCPIP V5 luna will not tell us the dateL time on luna.kapsch.co.at is 7200009 ms. ahead of time on venus.kapsch.co.at  ! $ timedc clockdiff mars		!TCPwaref mars will not tell us the dateF time on mars.kapsch.co.at is 3 ms. ahead of time on venus.kapsch.co.at    H Date is missing, because there is no "timeserver" protocol (UDP Port 525I AKA timed) daemon running on both nodes (which is again the question, whyoH isn't there one ? There used to be one some years ago in TCPware, but of course none in UCX)y    O I (still) use V7.1 with DECnet-Plus and DECdts, so I've a timezone environment. K Do I need additional TCPIP setup for this service to work (eg. a TZ logicalnK which is OTOH not updated by a automatically DST change) or is this a bug ?p    L BTW: Why is there no "time" protocol (UDP/TCP Port 37) in TCPIP V5 ? I can't@ believe, that Tru64 UNIX doesn't have/had such a service either.L And why is there no TIMEDC utility in TCPIP V5 ? (maybe because it's relatedG though it does use ICMP timestamps and UDP Port 525 - but NOT port 37 ?t7 No, then TCPware would not have it either, would it ?).a  I My EMULEX terminal and print servers still get their time via UDP Port 37:H and fortunately TCPware has the appropriate service. And the reason, why2 DEQ's IP stack(s) still lacks it is unknown to me.  > Summary: Is it my bug (and config is missing) or TCPIP's bug ?   TIA    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888I< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2000 15:08:42 +0200 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: [TCPware 5.4-3] GATED Hangy* Message-ID: <399157da$1@news.kapsch.co.at>   Today, I had a new symptom:a  B First three OPCOM messages stating that some buffer grows rapidly:  P %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   9-AUG-2000 14:32:00.29  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node MARS   at   9-AUG-2000 14:32:00.25)t  Message from user SYSTEM on MARSL %TCPWARE_GATED-E-ERR, task_receive_packet: ICMP recvfrom/recvmsg: not enough;                       core.  Increase buffer size to: 16384   P %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   9-AUG-2000 14:32:01.28  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node MARS   at   9-AUG-2000 14:32:01.24)s  Message from user SYSTEM on MARSL %TCPWARE_GATED-E-ERR, task_receive_packet: ICMP recvfrom/recvmsg: not enough;                       core.  Increase buffer size to: 32768B  P %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   9-AUG-2000 14:32:02.30  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node MARS   at   9-AUG-2000 14:32:02.26)   Message from user SYSTEM on MARSL %TCPWARE_GATED-E-ERR, task_receive_packet: ICMP recvfrom/recvmsg: not enough;                       core.  Increase buffer size to: 65535   I Then, TCPware GATED went up to 100% CPU (which is bad with Prio 6) and sod/ the system "freezed". No hint in the GATED.LOG.g  9 So, I stopped the process and restarted it. All ok again.u. Then after a few minutes, same happened again.G We use TCPware V5.4-3 since many months on our OpenVMS V7.1 systems and8  never had such problem before...  ' How to increase which GATED parameter ? , Should I lower the GATED prio to 3 or less ?H Should I omit the GATED at all (until the bug is identified and fixed) ?  G Any ideas ? A broadcast storm ? Then, why not also on the other TCPwarelK system on the same LAN (FDDI-Ring) ? (Inhouse !) Users with a PING attack ?r   TIAs   -- a< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888s< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.443 ************************