1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 10 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 445       Contents: Re: %TCPIP-I-NOMORE % Re: Adding a 2nd CPU to an Alpha 2100 " Adjusting Width of Show Users Info( Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS( Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS Attached file on mail  Re: Attached file on mail  Re: Attached file on mail  Re: Attached file on mail / Broken SPX graphics card, code 15 FCC interrupt 2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)% Decnet plus naming memory -- too much P re:from Lorraine - Philippines $0.23, Japan $.09,china $.31,malaysia$.18 and mor Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise" Re: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise( Re: How to fake a device full situation. IEEE floating-point format- Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus) - Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus) - Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus)   OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300$ Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300$ Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300$ Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300$ RE: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300$ Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300$ Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300 OpenVMS on Digital Server 5300& re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise& re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY ) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY  PCM / CommandIT ! Power plant [was Son of Aquarius] & Re: Privileges required for sys$crmpsc' Re: RESOLVED? HyperSPI on Alpha dumping 6 Re: Support of PowerStorm 300/350 under OpenVMS 7.1-2? TCPIP 5.0 and FTP  Re: TCPIP stacks& Re: Telnet in a single line command... The 'Q and Baseball and OpenVMS + Too bad the Q didn't think of this first... / Re: Too bad the Q didn't think of this first...  Re: TSM and multiple NICs  Re: TSM and multiple NICs  Re: UCX error message  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  RE: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS / Re: Want used graphics card for Jensen DEC 2000 2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2000 15:53:44 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: %TCPIP-I-NOMORE* Message-ID: <3992b3e8$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Z In article <sp3vrk3ln4t18@corp.supernews.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes:- >"Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote / > in message news:3991e0a5@news.kapsch.co.at...  >>2 >> BUT: This leads to the more important question:= >>    How to get Virtual Terminals for TELNET sessions again?  > 0 >> Is is annnounced for an ECO or the next TCPIPC >> version or will it never happen again (which would be a shame) ?  > K >It is actually buried in the documentation or the release notes somewhere.  > * >$define/system/exec tcpip$telnet_vta true  J Shit. I did read it some time ago. Seems, it was really late, yesterday...  . Also $define/system/exec tcpip$rlogin_vta true   Many thanks  --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:39:03 +0200 % From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se> . Subject: Re: Adding a 2nd CPU to an Alpha 21002 Message-ID: <3992BE87.41B702E5@byron.ext.telia.se>   Hi,   ! Another "license issue" question:   V Haven't collected any hobbyist license for my home 6430 VAX yet, but does the hobbyist cover smp-licenses ?  	 >>> ^P.Lj        Hoff Hoffman wrote:    > C > :   Licensing is another matter. To use the second CPU you need a B > :"multiprocessor" (or sum such) extension to your VMS license... >  >   Correct. > A > :...legally I suspect you can't get Compaq to swap the old base J > :license for a  multiprocessor license ( though I guess it couldn't hurt > :to ask )  > G >   License transfers can be arraigned, depending on the details of the G >   particular circumstances -- contact your reseller or representative 2 >   or the folks at the Customer Support Center... > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:32:00 -0500 / From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> + Subject: Adjusting Width of Show Users Info T Message-ID: <CB874B506A79D1118FBC006097306B8906828CBC@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  I Hello all; we're running a heterogeneous cluster, with some nodes running H V6.2 and some running V7.2-1.  On one of our older AlphaServers (runningK V6.2) the Show Users/Full command displays fully qualified IP node names in > the Terminal section of the display (as in the example below).   $ show users/full stuart7       OpenVMS User Processes at 10-AUG-2000 08:22:24.32 7     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 1   2  Username  Node   Process Name    PID     Terminal3  STUART    FLASH  Ed            34E52F19  NTA27:       $ (ae-stuart.electric.ci.austin.tx.us)  F On our other systems the information in this section of the display isB truncated from the beginning and we only see some of the remaining& information (as in the example below).  2  OpenVMS User Processes at 10-AUG-2000 08:29:57.957     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 1   2  Username  Node   Process Name    PID     TerminalG  TCOA1     TESLA  TCOA1         3C004F7D  NTA4:    (ic.ci.austin.tx.us)   H We obviously adjusted something on the first node, but we're not able toG find the adjustment in our notes.  How does one adjust the width of the < terminal field in the output of the Show users/full command?  $ Ed Stuart                           ( Manager, Systems and Desktop Services	   Information Technology Services  City of Austin, Austin Energy  Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com  + "Glittering prizes and endless compromises  . shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Pert  B *Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here*   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:03:09 +0200 (MET)  From: ZINSER@sysdev.exchange.de 1 Subject: Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <01JSSSAZLOOY9JFCS6@sysdev.exchange.de>   : > From:	IN%"INFO-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM" 10-AUG-2000 05:23:59.320 > Subj:	RE: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS  & > system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote: > > 5 > > Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:  > > >"D.Webb" wrote: > > >> Arne writes:  > > >> >Dan O'Reilly wrote: 4 > > >> >> At 11:09 AM 8/3/2000, Chris Scheers wrote: > > ; > > Is this pdf viewer supposed to be able to follow links?  > G > Not in version 1.0.  That capability will be added later, probably in  > 1.2. >  > G > > Have you gotten encryption to work on xpdf 0.9?  While I appreciate G > > the efforts put in by those working on it, I have been unsuccessful  > > and not too happy. > J > I don't know about xpdf 0.9, but the ASI PDF Viewer version 1.0 can read > encrypted documents.  % 	Sorry, now it is getting too much...   A 	Xpdf does support encrypted documents for quite a while already  ? 	via a patch (export restrictions prohibited distribution with  % 	the rest of the source from the US).   @ 	The next version (0.91) which is due to be out real soon (i.e. ? 	definitly still this month) has decryption already in the base B 	source (since the export legislation in the US changed recently).  8 	Useful information on Xpdf for OpenVMS can be found at  	 3 	http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/xpdf.htmlx and 5 	http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/notes/xpdf.htmlx    					Greetings, Martin  H P.S. ... who really appreciates commercial products for OpenVMS, but is @      enerved about people spreading unfounded rumors about Xpdf.  P Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser                                 zinser@sysdev.exchange.de2 Deutsche Boerse Systems AG                        O Koenigsberger Str. 29                                  Tel: +49 69 2101 5634    L 60284 Frankfurt                                        FAX: +49 69 2101 3411P Germany                                                Private:  zinser@decus.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:46:26 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 1 Subject: Re: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <009EE616.C97FB55D@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <3614871D62AD5535.4D1724D1FEB5B09F.E20BD7D6C3279016@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: % >system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:  >>  4 >> Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: >> >"D.Webb" wrote:  >> >> Arne writes: >> >> >Dan O'Reilly wrote:3 >> >> >> At 11:09 AM 8/3/2000, Chris Scheers wrote:  >>  : >> Is this pdf viewer supposed to be able to follow links? > F >Not in version 1.0.  That capability will be added later, probably in >1.2.  >  > F >> Have you gotten encryption to work on xpdf 0.9?  While I appreciateF >> the efforts put in by those working on it, I have been unsuccessful >> and not too happy.  > I >I don't know about xpdf 0.9, but the ASI PDF Viewer version 1.0 can read  >encrypted documents.   E I'll second that!  XPDF was fine but left me wanting quite often when D the file(s) I needed to view were encrypted.  I have an entire CD ofD documentation from that half-witted PeeCee manufacturer named Compaq that I can now read!     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:01:27 -0300  From: ANeiva@americel.com.br Subject: Attached file on mailQ Message-ID: <0031E07A4784D311804600805F9FBF57012A7889@dbrabmis03.americel.com.br>   J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C002CB.183ED790  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="ISO-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   8 Does anybody know how to send a file attached on a mail?   I=B4m giving the command=20 @ MAIL/SUBJECT=3D"TESTE"   ARQUIVO.TXT    "ANEIVA@AMERICEL.COM.BR"  H and the result is ARQUIVO.TXT sent as the content of the mail message, = and  not as an attached file.  	 Bye, bye.    Adriana Silva Neiva  Suporte T=E9cnico - IT Americel  Fone: (061) 329 6843 Cel: (061) 929 0191  Fax: (061) 329 6505  E-mail: aneiva@americel.com.br    ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C002CB.183ED790  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="ISO-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3DISO-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2448.0">$ <TITLE>Attached file on mail</TITLE> </HEAD>  <BODY>  F <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Does anybody know =- how to send a file attached on a mail?</FONT>  </P>  E <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I=B4m giving the =  command </FONT> & <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 == FACE=3D"Arial">MAIL/SUBJECT=3D&quot;TESTE&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; = G ARQUIVO.TXT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;ANEIVA@AMERICEL.COM.BR&quot;</FONT>  </P>  F <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">and the result is =? ARQUIVO.TXT sent as the content of the mail message, and</FONT> H <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">not as an attached = file.</FONT> </P>  C <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Bye, bye.</FONT>  </P>  B <P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Adriana Silva Neiva</FONT></B>: <BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Suporte T=E9cnico - IT = Americel</FONT> = <BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Fone: (061) 329 6843</FONT> < <BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Cel: (061) 929 0191</FONT>< <BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Fax: (061) 329 6505</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">E-mail: aneiva@americel.com.br</FONT>  </P>   </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C002CB.183ED790--    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:37:06 +0900 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>" Subject: Re: Attached file on mail+ Message-ID: <3992DA32.314E60D0@digital.com>   8 1. Please _do_not_ use HTML when mailing to a newsgroup.9    You may be reading and writing on a billy-box, but not     everyone has to do that.   7 2. There is no documented way of sending an attachement 6     via VMSmail. A possible workaround might be to use4    the MIME program (VMS V7.2) and include your text6    above the MIME border - have'nt tried this, so it's    not more than a possibility.    Mike.      ANeiva@americel.com.br wrote:  > : > Does anybody know how to send a file attached on a mail? >  > Im giving the command@ > MAIL/SUBJECT="TESTE"   ARQUIVO.TXT    "ANEIVA@AMERICEL.COM.BR" > H > and the result is ARQUIVO.TXT sent as the content of the mail message, > and  > not as an attached file. >  > Bye, bye.  >  > Adriana Silva Neiva  > Suporte Tcnico - IT Americel  > Fone: (061) 329 6843 > Cel: (061) 929 0191  > Fax: (061) 329 6505   > E-mail: aneiva@americel.com.br   --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:25:16 GMT  From: byatesiii@my-deja.com " Subject: Re: Attached file on mail) Message-ID: <8muafm$i43$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    In article >: > Does anybody know how to send a file attached on a mail? >  > I=B4m giving the command=20 B > MAIL/SUBJECT=3D"TESTE"   ARQUIVO.TXT    "ANEIVA@AMERICEL.COM.BR" > ? > and the result is ARQUIVO.TXT sent as the content of the mail 
 message, = > and  > not as an attached file. >  > Bye, bye.  >  > Adriana Silva Neiva ! > Suporte T=E9cnico - IT Americel  > Fone: (061) 329 6843 > Cel: (061) 929 0191  > Fax: (061) 329 6505   > E-mail: aneiva@americel.com.br  A For our use, we ported uuencode to the Vax, and am able to create E files, which, when sent as an email, appear as an attachment (with no E email text). We haven't done it, but I suspect that by appending such G to another text file (the message to be sent), you'd have an email with  an embedded attachment.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:40:16 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> " Subject: Re: Attached file on mail( Message-ID: <3992CCE0.E441DBA4@mmaz.com>  
 Incorrect!  F Mark Daniel of WASD fame pointed me to this because I needed to creat= e = embedded HTML type e-mails from my old VAX running VMS 5-5.2:   F http://x64.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=3D584904717&CONTEXT=3D964946867.9097= 70770&hitnum=3D10   F Now, I had to modify it to work for my system, but it does infact wor= k for F embedded HTML and there is a second example in the deja post on creat= ing anF attachment using the same method.  This will probably not work out of=  theF gate, but if the first example can be made to work, the second has go= odF prospects.  Additionally, the posters comments stated that this UCX w= ork > around came from, Digital, remember that once admired company?   Regards,   Barry   # Ps. here is my working procedure...   0 V4100$ ty loccom:e-mail-pdf-creations-notice.com $   set noon $   set def locmisc * $   sort converted_reports_to_pdf.dat/stat. $   open/read log converted_reports_to_pdf.dat1 $   open/write email converted_reports_to_pdf.tmp  $   any_found =3D "NO"= $   write email "<!doctype html public ""-//w3c//dtd html 4.0n transitional//en""F $   write email "<html><body><h1>Midwest Microwave On-Line Reports</h= 1>"f $ loop:i! $   read/end=3Dno_more log bufferk $   any_found =3D "YES"e. $   pdftype =3D "''f$element(0, "-", buffer)'"* $   tor =3D "''f$element(1, "-", buffer)'". $   pdfname =3D "''f$element(2, "-", buffer)'" $   write email "<as> href=3Dhttp://v4100.mmix.com/dr_''pdftype'_pdf/''pdfname'.pdf"
 $   goto loopo
 $ no_more:  $   write email "</BODY></HTML>" $   close email 
 $   close loge $   cr[0,8] =3D 13 $   lf[0,8] =3D 10 $   crlf =3D cr+lfF $   subject =3D "''tor' On-Line Reports" + crlf + "MIME-Version: 1.0"=	  + crlf -   2    + "Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"3 $   if any_found then $ mail/subject=3D"''subject'"e converted_reports_to_pdf.tmp s* $   !mailfile.txt "MX%""treahy@mmaz.com""") $   delete converted_reports_to_pdf.tmp;*u $   exit V4100$   Mike Rechtman wrote:  : > 1. Please _do_not_ use HTML when mailing to a newsgroup.; >    You may be reading and writing on a billy-box, but not3 >    everyone has to do that.r > 9 > 2. There is no documented way of sending an attachement-8 >     via VMSmail. A possible workaround might be to use6 >    the MIME program (VMS V7.2) and include your text8 >    above the MIME border - have'nt tried this, so it's! >    not more than a possibility.  >  > Mike.  >  > ANeiva@americel.com.br wrote:n > >q< > > Does anybody know how to send a file attached on a mail? > >e > > I=B4m giving the commandD > > MAIL/SUBJECT=3D"TESTE"   ARQUIVO.TXT    "ANEIVA@AMERICEL.COM.BR" > >CF > > and the result is ARQUIVO.TXT sent as the content of the mail mes= sage,n > > and  > > not as an attached file. > >t
 > > Bye, bye.a > >  > > Adriana Silva Neivar# > > Suporte T=E9cnico - IT Americele > > Fone: (061) 329 6843 > > Cel: (061) 929 0191e > > Fax: (061) 329 6505e" > > E-mail: aneiva@americel.com.br >o > --F > -------------------------------------------------------------------= --F > Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even tha= t.A > Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*eF > Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-990833= 7-D >   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"F > -------------------------------------------------------------------= --   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOo  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028@   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:27:28 +0000 (UTC) ' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>:8 Subject: Broken SPX graphics card, code 15 FCC interrupt, Message-ID: <8mu02g$ef5$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  I Hi, I have SPX card that works only in console mode in VAXstation 3100/30a and 3100/76. Symptoms are: At poweron: * No graphics test patterns shown on display ... < F...E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5...4...3_..2_..1?.. ...  4   00DA  0001.0153  ...s	 >>>test 4e ?..t  84 FAIL
 >>>test 50 ...s ?? SPGFX    0001.152  V1.3 ...  >>> boot DKA300  -DKA300_  ? Then only cursor movements are shown on display, no characters.p/ Manual says error code 15Z means FCC interrupt.BC Symptoms are same on 3100/30 and 3100/76, so I'd guess its not thatH< I have wrong ROM (Don't remember was it used on /30 or /76).  B I wonder if anyone knows what means FCC interrupt and is there any chance to repair the board?o   regardsn         Osmo KujalaC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:58:14 +02000> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>; Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)B2 Message-ID: <8mtjlt$nvn$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>  A As for LN03, they had the capability of printing Tektro drawings.f? What could be a replacement product for them ? Does DCPS enables& to convert Tektro to PS for printing ?   Cordialement Jean-Franois Marchalm X9000 - LYON (FR)e  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageoF news:rdeininger-1008000019270001@user-2iveaoi.dialup.mindspring.com...J > In article <009EE5A3.6C705C25@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >g > I > > >With the exit of Compaq from the printer business, it's a given thati the  > >dK > > Which has made it quite difficult, if not impossible, to get a replace-l  > > ment part for my LNC02-CA!!! >l > What kind of part? >tG > Who made this the print engine in this printer?  Probably not Compaq!-H > There may be an equivalent part available from the maker of the engine9 > (assuming you're talking about some mechanical widget).- > K > If you dig deep enough, you can probably find parts.  Gears, rollers, andnK > bearings can often be found at low cost from industrial supply companies.4 > Motors too, if you are lucky.B >hB > We are still keeping LN03s alive.  The last batches of parts andD > consumables (we just found a nice stash in a closet) all came fromH > Ricoh, not Digital.  I don't know about current availability, but someH > of the stuff was bought 2 or 3 years ago, IIRC.  Not bad for a printer > that's over a decade old.b >w > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:59:42 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e; Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes) 0 Message-ID: <009EE618.A3C31B49@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <rdeininger-1008000019270001@user-2iveaoi.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: P >In article <009EE5A3.6C705C25@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >9 >.M >> >With the exit of Compaq from the printer business, it's a given that the   >> cJ >> Which has made it quite difficult, if not impossible, to get a replace-  >> ment part for my LNC02-CA!!!  >o >What kind of part?n >nF >Who made this the print engine in this printer?  Probably not Compaq!G >There may be an equivalent part available from the maker of the engine 8 >(assuming you're talking about some mechanical widget). > J >If you dig deep enough, you can probably find parts.  Gears, rollers, andJ >bearings can often be found at low cost from industrial supply companies. >Motors too, if you are lucky.  E The main processor board.  The LNC02 has seial, parallel and ethernet D all built on the main board.  The ethernet I/F just "disappeared".    E The printer's "guts" is QMS hardware.  I have also attempted to get aSE replacement from QMS.  In the days of good ol' d|i|g|i|t|a|l, I couldMF dial 1-800-DIGITAL and speak with a human -- no annoying voice menu --E and quickly get a part ordered and, in nearly all cases, it was at mytD door well before the time quoted.  With Compaq, I'm spending my timeF waiting through their damn voice menu for the "rotary dial -- stay on D the line" option, only to speak with a droid that hasn't a clue whatE I need or want, or where to find it and then I'm sent off to a resel-wC ler.  QMS seems to have nothing but voice mailboxes which dump mes-T7 sages into the proverbial "circular filing" system.  :(   B >We are still keeping LN03s alive.  The last batches of parts and C >consumables (we just found a nice stash in a closet) all came fromnG >Ricoh, not Digital.  I don't know about current availability, but some,G >of the stuff was bought 2 or 3 years ago, IIRC.  Not bad for a printerS >that's over a decade old.  C I liked the LN03 I used to use back in the early '90s.  In spite ofrC the bad press, my experience was that is was far more reliable thanh= the HP3something-or-others that were also in use in the labs.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:26:29 +0200h= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ; Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)t) Message-ID: <39928355.7E4DDB6A@gtech.com>/  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:E > I liked the LN03 I used to use back in the early '90s.  In spite of,E > the bad press, my experience was that is was far more reliable thand? > the HP3something-or-others that were also in use in the labs.e  2 Where I worked around 1990 we had a LN03+ that had printed 550000 pages !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:47:16 -0400 + From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com> ; Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes) B Message-ID: <panderson-720384.09471610082000@news.ma.ultranet.com>  B In article <8mtjlt$nvn$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>, "Jean-Franois 0 Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:  D > As for LN03, they had the capability of printing Tektro drawings. E > What could be a replacement product for them ? Does DCPS enable to 9& > convert Tektro to PS for printing ?   . DCPS has a Tektronix-to-PostScript translator.   Paul   -- y"    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering*    Compaq Computer Corporation, Gardner MA7    (please use 'panderson@genicom.com' address for now)R   ------------------------------   Date: 10 AUG 2000 15:05:32 GMT6 From: greenwoodde@feda34.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood); Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)d2 Message-ID: <10AUG00.15053227@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  ? "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:eC > As for LN03, they had the capability of printing Tektro drawings.dA > What could be a replacement product for them ? Does DCPS enable ( > to convert Tektro to PS for printing ?  A I use a utility called tek2ps.  It's a port of a Unix utility.  Ii; don't remember where I got it, but a search on tek2ps using / altavista generated a number of likely sources.a   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVpH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:52:29 -0400r From: rich <raf@ezunx.com>. Subject: Decnet plus naming memory -- too much8 Message-ID: <NDBBKMJPGMFJHLNOOECJEELBCNAA.raf@ezunx.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C002B0.B2917270r Content-Type: text/plain;s 	charset="iso-8859-1". Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitB   Hi,9  V probably an easy one, but then again... Have 2 nodes running decnet plus with IV and VT turned on.  Also, running encapsulation over TCP/IP.  BIND is NOT running and we are using LOCAL. for naming.    U Nodes were called NODE1 and NODE2.  (not really, but who cares)  We reconfigured botheR systems, changing scsnode and names and synonyms... They both answer up to the newX names correctly (FRED and ETHEL), however, one of the nodes is still responding to NODE1` as a name, and for the life of me, I can't find where it is holding on to this.  Decnet_registerW has no name showing for this, both machine have been rebooted.  As I said, BIND is not dY running, nor is DECdns.  Only localfile as the name space.  Although we are using tcp/ip,>< neither node1 or node2 is in the hosts file config either.    X The only oddity is that one system is 7.1 w/ucx v4 and the other is 7.2 with tcpip v5.    W My question -- WHERE to look for how this system is holding on to a name we don't want 0N it to use anymore??  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 subject line.e4 ****************************************************    V  M  C  C  B     C     n  h  e  t      ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:38:47 GMTo4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>' Subject: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwisen< Message-ID: <Hfyk5.15074$_s1.243749@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  B > > > In comp.os.vms Ramon L. Tate <taterskins@patriot.net> wrote:G > > > !This is beginning to sound like "Can You Top This?" (an old U.S.- radio=G > > > !program from more years ago that I care to remember). Vis  vis:h > > > , > > > What about the potential for disaster? > >n
 > > <snip> > H > I think the Freon (and Halon, too) acts as an ion trap, sucking up the ionsI > that are being produced by that bit of radioactive material in the fire-L > detector and activating it just like fire combustion products do. At leastH > that's my understanding of how the ionization-type detectors and Halon > work..  D Could be, physics is not one of my stronger suits. I've seen (heard,J actually) ionization-detectors go off in the midst of particularly violentH thunderstorms, so anything's possible. As for extinguishing fires, HalonF works as a chain-breaking agent that whacks the free radicals that areL produced in the combustion process (e.g. it doesn't smother, cool, or remove the combustible product).g  H The downside is that while Halon itself is safe, some of its products ofI decomposition are not. When heated, Halon decomposes into such goodies aseG phosgene. We learned this the hard way early in the century when carbon F tetrachloride (aka cleaning fluid, and a poison in its own right) fireG extinguishers were popular. After a few people were extinguished in thepK process of extinguishing fires, carbon tet (Pyrene) fire extinguishers wereg banned.'  F Some of these things are still, umm, hanging around. If you ever see aJ six-inch-diameter glass globe filled with a pinkish fluid hanging from theL ceiling of an old building (there are metal variants of this thing as well),F get rid of the thing. It's a "Red Comet" carbon tet fire extinguisher.  K And we now resume our regularly scheduled programming on things OpenVMS ands DEC-related...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:45:28 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>' Subject: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwiseo< Message-ID: <Ylyk5.15077$_s1.243947@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39921E10.23C544D1@videotron.ca... "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:9L > A couple of reasons the Halon might have been turned off. Halon used to beJ > cheap; maybe a buck a pound. During the late 70's - early 80's the price cli G > mbed to ~$25 per pound. Seems that Halon does bad things to the ozonec layer,H > just like Freon and other halogens. I believe the US is a signatory to someA > UN treaty banning, or sharply diminishing, the use of the stuffr  I The Montral Protocol bans the MANUFACTURE of freon and halon, except foreB third world countries who simp0,y could not afford to change theirJ refrigirators etc etc (and it was judged far more important to allow these8 countries to keep meet refrigirated to prevent disease).  B Ah je me rappelle maintenant. Merci beacoup pour les informations!  J Speaking as a former firefighter, etc, I believe the Monteal Protocol is aK classic example of a Stupid International Treaty. There should have been an)H exemption for fire protection systems, since their contribution to ozoneB depletion is insignificant when compared with air conditioning and refrigeration systems.    D As a result, there are three ways to get these gases: Either through	 recyclingeK facilities or stockpiles of stuff made prior to the ban, or through illicitrJ sources. (hint: at one point, Miami's second most important illicit importK (after drugs) was freon.) If your supplier of the gas is unable to tell you9F where the gas came from, then you can made your own conclusions on its source..  I Damn, I shoulda bought Halon futures back in the 1970s! I don't know whatrE the US has in the way of Halon stockpiles, but we have a pretty heftyt Strategic Helium Reserve...    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:52:14 GMTi4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>+ Subject: Re: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise!< Message-ID: <isyk5.15083$_s1.244043@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.comB "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:39922383.3DAD4086@earthlink.net...d > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:d > [snip]F > > Both Freon and Halon (1301 and 1411) are halogenated hydrocarbons, > D > Well, not to nit-pick, but "Freon" is a DuPont tradename for their? > halogentaed hydrocarbon refrigerant products: Freon-12 (R-12, I > dichlorodiflouromethane), Freon-22 (R-22, monchlorodiflouromethane) and D > others. Other trade names of other producers are such as "Cotron", > "Isotron", etc.L >d$ > Not sure who came up with "Halon".  8 Nor am I, but it's derived from HALogenated hydrocarbON.   >eH > Prior to all the hoo-hah about ozone depletion, it was common practiceA > to vent the entire charge of small refrigeration systems to the G > atmosphere. Such practice is now illegal, as it is believed that suchtG > compounds find their way into the upper atmosphere where they are (sooH > the studies say) broken down by sunlight releasing free chlorine which* > attacks O3 (ozone) and reduces it to O2. >iD > I did Refrigeration & HVAC for a living prior to EDP. I once foundI > myself in a basement faced with a water-cooled R-12 system that someone J > had charged with R-22. Needless to say, the compressor was scrambled. WeI > blew the charge getting ready to swap the pump when my partner tried tor> > light up a cigaraette and almost killed himself: halo-carbonJ > refrigerants produce noxious and poisonous gasses when consumed by fire.   Phosgene, for one.   >bI > If free chlorine is truly the ozone threat, then why not ban the use of H > chlorine in swimming pools (tons of chlorine-bearing compunds in solidH > form are used every year), and the use of sodium hypochlorite solutionI > (chlorine bleach) for laundry and sanitation (100s of thousands, if not J > millions of gallons daily), not to mention the tons and tons of chlorineD > used in drinking water supplies every month across the country and > around the world?3   Good question.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:41:44 +0000 (UTC)s1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>e1 Subject: Re: How to fake a device full situation.o. Message-ID: <8mtps7$fc9$1@nina.pacific.net.au>  0 Rienk Zwaagstra <r.zwaagstra@elsevier.nl> wrote:J > For testing the error handling after a device full I need a full device.G > Only I'm not able to fill up a device. Is there an other way like for G > example creating a directory with a size limit or a concealed device?>  ? 	You haven't mentioned what kind of machine you have, but if iti1 	has a floppy drive, you could do the following ::? 	Chuck in a floppy into drive, initialize it ( with /DENSI=HIGHw> 	or something similar ), mount it, COPY it full of file(s) and 	there you go, a full device.o 					Cheers,		Csaba   I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------nE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.-I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------4;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:17:00 -0500n+ From: "Ken Halprin" <khalprin@autosoln.com>o# Subject: IEEE floating-point formatrO Message-ID: <E77464EC061EB266.3268DF94A4D79E86.CCF1F536EBCBB342@lp.airnews.net>e  K Can anyone tell me how to convert IEEE format floating-point numbers to VMSrI format? I need to transfer data between a WindowsNT workstation and a DEC  VAX.   Thanks,r Kene   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:47:20 +0100i  From: davep <davep@hmgcc.gov.uk>6 Subject: Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus)( Message-ID: <39927A28.2746@hmgcc.gov.uk>   Terry C. Shannon wrote:a >  > >eH > > I guess it's an open question whether a 747 or a Vax 9000 burns fuel	 > faster.  > G > Hmmm... assuming fossil-fuel power generation, we're looking at 89-92-M > percent steam generator efficiency, 1-2 percent heat loss to turbine-driveneN > electrical generator, and distribution line loss of 10-50 percent, there's aJ > lot o' Lost Electricity. Hence on a BTU basis the aircraft might be moreJ > fuel-efficient. And a 747-400 with a glass-panel cockpit update has more3 > computational horsepower than a cluster of 9000s.t  H A steam-generating fossil-fuel power station has a thermal efficiency of0 the order of 32 percent, nuclear slightly lower.   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:58:48 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>6 Subject: Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus)< Message-ID: <syyk5.15084$_s1.244100@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  I > > Hmmm... assuming fossil-fuel power generation, we're looking at 89-92n@ > > percent steam generator efficiency, 1-2 percent heat loss to turbine-drivenF > > electrical generator, and distribution line loss of 10-50 percent,	 there's aeL > > lot o' Lost Electricity. Hence on a BTU basis the aircraft might be moreL > > fuel-efficient. And a 747-400 with a glass-panel cockpit update has more5 > > computational horsepower than a cluster of 9000s.n >nJ > A steam-generating fossil-fuel power station has a thermal efficiency of2 > the order of 32 percent, nuclear slightly lower. >-  K Consistent with the above, if you're implying BTUs in (into the boiler) andmI KWH out (of your mains). No power station could remain in business if itsa1 steam generators were only ~30 percent efficient.Q  * Perhaps that's what happened to Battersea?   cheers,S   terry sv   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Aug 2000 15:30:17 GMT# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.eduA6 Subject: Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus)+ Message-ID: <8muhq9$6g6$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>1  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  K >> A steam-generating fossil-fuel power station has a thermal efficiency ofA3 >> the order of 32 percent, nuclear slightly lower.Q  < IIRC, that is the Carnot efficiency.  I could have sworn the? nukes were slightly higher, but that is probably just my memoryE going flaky again.  L >Consistent with the above, if you're implying BTUs in (into the boiler) andJ >KWH out (of your mains). No power station could remain in business if its2 >steam generators were only ~30 percent efficient.  F Since all power stations run at about 30% and since power stations areD the only available large scale source of electricity and electricity> does things people want done that no other energy form can ...   Robert Morphis   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:16:57 GMT9/ From: "David Chan Sho Ving" <davidcsv@alsf.com>q) Subject: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300B. Message-ID: <Z0qk5.621094$k22.2877282@flipper>   Hi All,C  H From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is that OpenVMSI 7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot the OS CDROM,C, the installation always halts at this point:  E     %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXEs@     %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910       halted CPU 0       halt code = 5w     HALT instruction executedA     PC = 1d2a4
     P00>>>  I Does anyone know what the problem could be ? I've checked the contents ofA0 the CD and the above mentioned file is not there (sys$cpu_routines_EA05.exe).  - ANY help will be very much appreciated, thanxA   DavidF   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:50:43 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk- Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300G/ Message-ID: <00256937.00412966.00@quegw01.btyp>M  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street PlazaA    N I might have this wrong, but isn't the DecSystem 5000 series MIPS? Or at least originally an Ultrix box?e   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesq        C "David Chan Sho Ving" <davidcsv@alsf.com> on 10/08/2000 04:16:57 AMh    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)/O From:      "David Chan Sho Ving" <davidcsv@alsf.com>, 10 August 2000, 4:16 a.m.G    OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300         Hi All,A  H From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is that OpenVMSI 7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot the OS CDROM, , the installation always halts at this point:  E     %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXEr@     %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910       halted CPU 0       halt code = 5l     HALT instruction executed      PC = 1d2a4
     P00>>>  I Does anyone know what the problem could be ? I've checked the contents of$0 the CD and the above mentioned file is not there (sys$cpu_routines_EA05.exe).  - ANY help will be very much appreciated, thanx_   David_   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:17:12 +0100e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com- Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300T> Message-ID: <80256937.003E36F4.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>  L I *think* the Digital Server 5300 is the white box verson of the AlphaServerN 1200.  If I'm right, it's probably permanently crippled so that it doesn't run VMS.   Steve.  K >>>From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is that OpenVMSrI 7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot the OS CDROM,u, the installation always halts at this point:  E     %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXE5@     %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910       halted CPU 0       halt code = 56     HALT instruction executed      PC = 1d2a4
     P00>>>  I Does anyone know what the problem could be ? I've checked the contents of-0 the CD and the above mentioned file is not there (sys$cpu_routines_EA05.exe).  0 ANY help will be very much appreciated, thanx<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:42:03 +0000-$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk- Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300 / Message-ID: <00256937.0045DD3E.00@quegw01.btyp>   = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza4  L Yes, I erroneously reported in a previous posting that it was a MIPS box - IL didn't read the original post closely emough, and I think I confused Digital Server with Dec System.-  K Not the same thing at all, except that as far as I can see, neither are VMS-O boxes. Do a quick search on Altavista for this box, and they all look to be NT.*   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pages-        4 steven.reece@QUINTILES.COM on 10/08/2000 11:17:12 AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)LA From:      steven.reece@QUINTILES.COM, 10 August 2000, 11:17 a.m.   $ Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300            L I *think* the Digital Server 5300 is the white box verson of the AlphaServerN 1200.  If I'm right, it's probably permanently crippled so that it doesn't run VMS.   Steve.  K >>>From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is that OpenVMSyI 7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot the OS CDROM,/, the installation always halts at this point:  E     %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXEv@     %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910       halted CPU 0       halt code = 5o     HALT instruction executedn     PC = 1d2a4
     P00>>>  I Does anyone know what the problem could be ? I've checked the contents oft0 the CD and the above mentioned file is not there (sys$cpu_routines_EA05.exe).  0 ANY help will be very much appreciated, thanx<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:06:05 -0400*) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>*- Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300hB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61C0@and02.drc.com>  4 The Digital Server 5300 is a Windows NT only version5 of the Alphaserver 1200.  (The Digital Server 3300 iss6 the Windows NT only version of the Alphaserver 800 and6 the Digital Server 7300 is the Windows NT only version8 of the Alphaserver 4100.)  VMS is NOT supported on these0 systems (that should keep the Hoffman happy  :^)  7 However, it is possible to make these systems boot VMS.V1 Assuming the possesion of a Hobbyiest VMS licensef4 (since no one should be running commercial VMS on an5 unsupported system), and that all of the disk drives, 4 SCSI adapters, video adapters, etc. are supported by. VMS it is possible to boot VMS on these boxes.  4 This procedure my recollection of what I did several6 months ago to boot VMS on a Digital Server 3305.  (The3 Digital Server 3305 is currently unavailable due ton8 a failure of the monitor that is attached to it.)  It is7 my belief that the same method will work for the DS5300v3 and DS7300 but I have not tried it.  No guarentees  6 try this at your own risk don't blame me if it doesn't7 work <insert your favorite disclaimer here> etc etc etch    3 1. Switch to SRM.  (You can't do it from Alphabios)e0 2. Examine the SRM variables and ensure that the+ 	system is configured to reset on boot.  (Is# 	think the variable is BOOT_RESET.)W( 3. edit NVRAM and add the following line 	10 set srm_boot 1   4. boott  0 As I understand it the SRM_BOOT being true tells3 the HWRPB initialization not to "poison" the systems type field of the HWRPB.    	 Good Luckl   Eric Ebinger   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: David Chan Sho Ving [mailto:davidcsv@alsf.com]* > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:17 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh+ > Subject: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300a >  > 	 > Hi All,i > > > From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is  > that OpenVMS> > 7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot  > the OS CDROM,r. > the installation always halts at this point: > G >     %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXE B >     %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910 >  >     halted CPU 0 >  >     halt code = 5n >     HALT instruction executed  >     PC = 1d2a4 >     P00>>> > @ > Does anyone know what the problem could be ? I've checked the 
 > contents of.2 > the CD and the above mentioned file is not there > (sys$cpu_routines_EA05.exe). > / > ANY help will be very much appreciated, thanx  >  > Davida >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:07:09 +0000 (UTC) ' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>n- Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300l, Message-ID: <8mu9dt$huv$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  . David Chan Sho Ving <davidcsv@alsf.com> wrote:J > From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is that OpenVMSK > 7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot the OS CDROM,,. > the installation always halts at this point:  G >     %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXEo  1 You seem to have so called white box alpha. AFAIK ) Digital Server 5300 == Alphaserver 1200 .lB I've learned that white box alphas have system type number mangledE negative under SRM (so to stop VMS and TRU64 booting). You have EA asrG system type number. If I do maths right it's 16 negated. That should bes0 Rawhide. Is it Alphaserver 1200, I don't recall.  & I've seen 3 tricks how to boot anyway.  A 1) copy SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_1605.EXE to SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXE ony:    OS source. Not easy on CD, have to use writeable media.    2) Overwrite system type on SRM:    >>> d -p 2050 16 =    then boot (I recall that someone reported it didn't help.)o  ? 3) Under SRM edit file nvram to contain line "set srm_boot ON"      something like:    >>> edit nvramh    10 set srm_boot ONo    <what is exit?>    I've never done this.   I hope this helps                       Osmo Kujala    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:52:01 GMTw/ From: "David Chan Sho Ving" <davidcsv@alsf.com>.- Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 on Dec Server 5300h. Message-ID: <R4Bk5.625575$k22.2905015@flipper>   Hi All,r  ' BIG THANX to everyone for all the help.s  
 To summarize:e  K Setting env var BOOT_RESET to ON and adding the line SET SRM_BOOT ON to therL file NVRAM solved the problem and the system type is now ID'd as being 0x16.   Regards,   David     4 "Osmo Kujala" <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> wrote in message& news:8mu9dt$huv$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi...0 > David Chan Sho Ving <davidcsv@alsf.com> wrote:L > > From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is that OpenVMSF > > 7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot the OS CDROM,0 > > the installation always halts at this point: >rI > >     %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXE- > 3 > You seem to have so called white box alpha. AFAIK + > Digital Server 5300 == Alphaserver 1200 .,D > I've learned that white box alphas have system type number mangledG > negative under SRM (so to stop VMS and TRU64 booting). You have EA aslI > system type number. If I do maths right it's 16 negated. That should ben2 > Rawhide. Is it Alphaserver 1200, I don't recall. >t( > I've seen 3 tricks how to boot anyway. > C > 1) copy SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_1605.EXE to SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXE ono< >    OS source. Not easy on CD, have to use writeable media. >l" > 2) Overwrite system type on SRM: >    >>> d -p 2050 16d? >    then boot (I recall that someone reported it didn't help.)  >o@ > 3) Under SRM edit file nvram to contain line "set srm_boot ON" >    something like: >    >>> edit nvramr >    10 set srm_boot ONo >    <what is exit?> >    I've never done this. >a > I hope this helpss! >                     Osmo Kujalat   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:07:55 GMTr/ From: "David Chan Sho Ving" <davidcsv@alsf.com>n' Subject: OpenVMS on Digital Server 5300 . Message-ID: <vrAk5.625159$k22.2901166@flipper>   Hi All,y  H From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is that OpenVMSI 7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot the OS CDROM,c, the installation always halts at this point:  E     %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXEl@     %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910       halted CPU 0       halt code = 5c     HALT instruction executed3     PC = 1d2a4
     P00>>>  I Does anyone know what the problem could be ? I've checked the contents ofm0 the CD and the above mentioned file is not there (sys$cpu_routines_EA05.exe).  - ANY help will be very much appreciated, thanxa   Davidn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:49:03 +0100h/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>l/ Subject: re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise.7 Message-ID: <009EE651.D3C43A5B.14@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>r  I > If free chlorine is truly the ozone threat, then why not ban the use ofaH > chlorine in swimming pools (tons of chlorine-bearing compunds in solidH > form are used every year), and the use of sodium hypochlorite solutionI > (chlorine bleach) for laundry and sanitation (100s of thousands, if nottJ > millions of gallons daily), not to mention the tons and tons of chlorineD > used in drinking water supplies every month across the country and > around the world?e  G Chlorine is no threat: it's reactive and quite water-soluble. A releasesG at ground level will be washed out of the atmosphere by clouds and rain-1 and will never get anywhere near the ozone layer.:  H The danger from halocarbons, especially the banned ones, is their great J stability and inertness. They simply diffuse through the atmosphere until M they get up into the ozone layer, where hard UV from the sun decomposes them..D The radicals released then catalyze the destruction of ozone, so one< molecule of CFC eats many tens (or more) molecules of ozone.  G HCFCs (HydroChloroFlouroCarbons) are slightly less stable and therefore N have a shorter half-life in the atmosphere and hopefully don't reach the ozoneE layer in large amounts. These are today's legal refrigerants, but are  less bad rather than good.  I In the old pre-CFC days, ammonia gas was used. This is pretty yukky stuffaK if it leaks, but fatalities were extremely uncommon and it has no longterm nK toxicity (once diluted, you have a plant fertilizer).  The main benefit of eC CFCs and HCFCs is merely that they don't make a vile stink forcing  I temporary evacuation of premises if they leak. This seems to be a pretty  F poor justification for the widespread use of ozone-destroyers. Ammonia5 is still used in really big industrial-scale coolers.   L By the way, there is a natural ozone-eater; the oceans produce large amountsJ of iodoform. THis has a shorter atmospheric life than HCFCs but the small P amount that reaches the upper atmosphere is an even more potent ozone-destroyer.D However, the man-made chemicals outweigh the natural one at present.  M There's also a mystery chemical CF3.SF5 that is an extremely potent and inertrI ozone-eater, and nobody yet knows where it is coming from! SF6 is used as@K an electrical insulator in transformers, so one theory is that it is formed,M by reaction between that and some carbon-containing material under electricale3 stress in transformers. It urgently needs research.    	Yours,u
 		Nigel Arnoto- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   l  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Aug 2000 16:41:08 GMTF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)/ Subject: re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwisea* Message-ID: <8mulv4$hpb@usenet.pa.dec.com>  i In article <009EE651.D3C43A5B.14@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:  >mJ >> If free chlorine is truly the ozone threat, then why not ban the use ofI >> chlorine in swimming pools (tons of chlorine-bearing compunds in solid I >> form are used every year), and the use of sodium hypochlorite solution-J >> (chlorine bleach) for laundry and sanitation (100s of thousands, if notK >> millions of gallons daily), not to mention the tons and tons of chlorine$E >> used in drinking water supplies every month across the country ande >> around the world? >gH >Chlorine is no threat: it's reactive and quite water-soluble. A releaseH >at ground level will be washed out of the atmosphere by clouds and rain2 >and will never get anywhere near the ozone layer.  B It's true that chlorine at ground level or in water probably isn'tB a threat to atmospheric ozone, because it will react with a lot ofH things and is soluable.  The reaction products of pool chlorine probablyE end up as salt or similar relatively innocuous chemicals.  The amountcB of chlorine used to clean the drinking water supply is also fairlyB low, though there are some concerns about it, and some communitiesE have switched to other methods of killing bugs in the drinking water.eA Interestingly enough, one of them is ozone.  It is very effective0D at killing bacteria, decays into much less toxic stuff than chlorineC (or to non-toxic stuff, like water), and doesn't leave any taste in2@ the water.  It is, however, more expensive than chlorine: it hasB to be generated at the site where it's used, so you have to investA in generators and the power that run them rather than just buyinga tank car loads of chlorine.   C However, large scale use of chlorine compounds can be very serious. B Ask anyone who lives downstream of a plant that bleaches wood pulp@ for paper and which still used chlorine.  The overflow and wasteD products have been known to kill just about everything in the water.  B You can find paper which is not bleached with chlorine if you look for it.s   -- e(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:56:30 -0700A? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid>s2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY9 Message-ID: <00453b3e.2625b640@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com>D  8 What was that about not sending the final message during< connection teardown? We have had problem dating back several@ years where NT users on VMS (using Vt emulators over TCP) switch< off their PCs but remain logged on. In the end we run out of9 license slots on the production boxes and everyone moans.i; Eventually I got hold of Watcher and set it up to kill idleu< processes but I was wondering if the lack of a final message% explained the origin of the problem??i   Thanks   Mike  
 Mike Price7 All entries are personal opinion and do not necessarilyS represent those of my employer.x8 Any resemblence they have to reality may be coincidental  ; -----------------------------------------------------------0  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.h Up to 100 minutes free!h http://www.keen.comn   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:50:05 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAYH Message-ID: <y4lmy5uvpe.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  M No, that shouldn't explain it. Even without the final message, the connectionhM will disappear after some time, TCP is quite robust in this respect - but the N resources allocated at the other end to the connection are released much laterH than would be possible if Windows's implementation played by the rules.   K Remember that one class of denial-of-service attacks does exactly this, butME using a connect initiate - and with the usual brain-dead unix-derivedNL implementation (fixed sizes for all internal tables and buffers) you can run4 a system out of one of those resources very quickly.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:51:13 GMT0 From: pmart63@my-deja.coma Subject: PCM / CommandIT) Message-ID: <8mu4vg$e2r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e   Hello,G     currently using Polycentre Console Manager (PCM) on Alpha VMS V7.1.eE Effectively being forced to go to CA's CommandIT if I want to upgradea@ OS. Demo run of product reveals licensing problem and CA are notG entirely filling me with confidence as regards resolution. Anybody know2G of any other product that runs on alpha VMS V7.1 AND above with similaroC (if not the same) functionality as PCM? Please let me know. Thanks.    Phil M.t    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:04:44 -0400 (EDT)t From: quayle@infinet.com* Subject: Power plant [was Son of Aquarius]K Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10008101202100.8998-100000@shell.oh.voyager.net>   > > IIRC, that is the Carnot efficiency.  I could have sworn theA > nukes were slightly higher, but that is probably just my memoryA > going flaky again.  I Nuclear plants run at lower temperatures to increase the margin of safety,/ in case of a temperature or pressure transient.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:13:13 +0100i/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>i/ Subject: Re: Privileges required for sys$crmpsct6 Message-ID: <009EE64C.D2021F17.4@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>  B It's documented in the "OpenVMS System Services Reference Manual".   >  > sysgbl & prmgbl ?    Yes.  0 Also sysgen parameter GBLPAGFIL may be relevant.  , > <mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk> wrote in message- > news:399181b2.30014228@usenet.force9.net...  > > Hi,E > >ID > > I need to create a global section (page file) and I need to knowA > > which privileges are required.  Can anyone tell me or tell me  > > where it is documented?w > >h > > TIA  > >  > > Mark Williamsh > > http://www.techop.co.uke >  >  >  >    	Yours,t
 		Nigel Arnotu- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   u  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:45:13 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>D0 Subject: Re: RESOLVED? HyperSPI on Alpha dumpingH Message-ID: <y4og31uvxi.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  C 0 is a valid absolute time, namely that of the Smithonian time baseoD (18-NOV-1858, IIRC). When you subtract it from the other time, whichD presumably is near to the current time, you'll get a delta time thatF is very large - around 50000 days. Perhaps lib$cvtl_from_internal_timeJ has a bug when the traditional limit of (10000 days - 100 ns) is exceeded?   	Jan   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:49:42 +0200 (MET DST)a& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>? Subject: Re: Support of PowerStorm 300/350 under OpenVMS 7.1-2?e6 Message-ID: <200008100646.IAA05035@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Gotfryd Smolik wrotes:   >>>>% Say us, why not the digital.com ? -:)e <<<<  H Gotfryd, that's easy to explain: we do have an service contract with theG Compaq Germany and a legal account on this site. I think that it is notfJ good for Compaq, when a patch is within the ftp site (where I normally notA have a look every day) in the USA since beginning of July. Compaq E should be store this file also within all local ITS databases and WIS'C TIS Websites, where I can search for the right one. The first emailtJ have had the readme address. Under that address I did not found the patch.E The new http://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/ was thetG right one, where I could found the patch. But a second problem is, thatWI our intranet is physicaly not connected to our internet hosts (Sun's with B Solaris). So I have to use floppies (up to two MB) or tapes with a% tar archive. Does this make problems?a  . Thank's to all, who did email me via INFO-VAX.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:56:56 -0400  From: "paul" <Paul@pwrr.com> Subject: TCPIP 5.0 and FTP. Message-ID: <sp5glck9n4t31@corp.supernews.com>  C Trying to get FTP working and no matter whether I set up Vanilla ora3 Anonymous FTP I keep getting the following message;IC             INTERnet ACP detected TCPIP$FTP exiting before 'accept'O       Anyone see this one before?,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:57:09 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: TCPIP stacks ) Message-ID: <39925245.50B68A1A@gtech.com>t   Kevin Handy wrote:7 > I'm trying to get prices for a TCPIP stack for an olde: > MicroVax 3100/10 running VMS 5.5.  The DEC web pages are7 > useless when looking for prices, and I'd like to know-! > of other options than just UCX.0 > . > This system did not come with a ucx license.  7 If it is a hobbyist system, then you can get almost any0 TCP/IP package ffor free.$  / If it is commercial, then you can choose among:s   - CMU which is freerC   - UCX from Compaq which I guess is the cheapest of the commercialS   - Multinet from ProcessD   - TCPware from Process   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:51:59 +0200S5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>E/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...a- Message-ID: <3992C18E.4F596680@whitehouse.nl>r   Phil Tregoning wrote:a  K > > You can use outbound tn devices for this (TELNET> help create_session).tG > > From there you can open the created tn device from dcl and read anda > > write to it. > B > Can you give a working example? The only thing I've ever managedB > to achieve with TELNET/CREATE_SESSION is a hung workstation (*).  H Ok, the following dcl sends a mail message to myself on my linux server:  # $ telnet /create server 25 101/timee& $ set ter/noecho/perm/type/past tna101 $ lf[0,8]=%x0a $ cr[0,8]=%x0d $ open/read/write link tna101:$ $ read/time=0/prompt=""/err=1 link s $1: - $ read/prompt="''lf'helo a.b.com''lf'" link sl $ write sys$output s9 $ read/prompt="mail from:appie@whitehouse.nl''lf'" link se $ write sys$output s* $ read/prompt="rcpt to:oswald''lf'" link s $ write sys$output s  $ read/prompt="data''lf'" link s $ write sys$output s, $ read/prompt="''cr'''lf'.''cr'''lf'" link s $ write sys$output s  $ read/prompt="quit''lf'" link s $ close link $ telnet/dele 101@ $ exit   >  > Phil T >  > * This hangs my workstation: > 5 >   $ TELNET/CREATE_SESSION node 23 100 /PROTO=TELNETa  F Can you be more specific as what you mean by 'hangs'? And what versionD do you use? In the above example I use TCPIP V5.0A on VAX/VMS V7.1-2   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:36:03 GMT.& From: wspencer@ap.org (Warren Spencer)( Subject: The 'Q and Baseball and OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <sp5q03con4t166@news.supernews.com>   I I was watching a bit of the baseball game last night, and saw Compaq had  I decorated the outfield with their corporate banner.  Every deep ball, we LH saw the Compaq logo on (inter?)national TV.  If only those banners read H "Compaq - OpenVMS" instead.  Imagine, 50,000 people at the stadium, and I millions around the world, asking "What is OpenVMS?".  Now THAT would be l	 exposure.i   ws   -- (J << My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do I  >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:01:56 -0600r1 From: Glen Martin <GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>w4 Subject: Too bad the Q didn't think of this first...4 Message-ID: <39926F84.7F9717B2@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>  G Imagine a combination of WIS on steroids, a portal, and a Slashdot-likeeG community webboard, except for Sun admins. A CENTRALIZED resource aimedeF specifically at admins, which the OpenVMS website lacks, which insteadF seems to sprinkle technical material and marketing collatoral together in a mishmash.   http://www.sun.com/bigadmin   D Never been a huge Sun fan (haven't logged into my Solaris account inE years), but I have to give them a tip of the hat for providing such a0( well organized resource to their admins.  H I don't suppose we'll ever see http://www.openvms.compaq.com/sys$managerH ... (Hmmm, I don't recall whether $ is valid in a URL...) If we are everF to see something like this, it would likely have to come from the userA community. Perhaps a project that DECUS could tackle? I've alwaysaH wondered if the Slash perl code could be made to work under OpenVMS, but% I haven't really had the time to try.S     Glen   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2000 10:50:23 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)e8 Subject: Re: Too bad the Q didn't think of this first...* Message-ID: <8mufff$ogf$1@lisa.gemair.com>  4 In article <39926F84.7F9717B2@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>,3 Glen Martin  <GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:rH >Imagine a combination of WIS on steroids, a portal, and a Slashdot-likeH >community webboard, except for Sun admins. A CENTRALIZED resource aimedG >specifically at admins, which the OpenVMS website lacks, which instead-G >seems to sprinkle technical material and marketing collatoral together  >in a mishmash.h >t >http://www.sun.com/bigadmin >   G I think DSN/WIS/<insert name here> was invisioned to be a good resourceoD for admins, but it's so disorganized and hard to zero in on exactly . what you want.  And, there's no weblog at all.  E Digital had VAX-Notes almost 20 years ago, but they didn't capitalizetC on the technology to help customers in a direct fashion like others  have done with weblogs.a    Talk about missed opportunities.  E >Never been a huge Sun fan (haven't logged into my Solaris account innF >years), but I have to give them a tip of the hat for providing such a) >well organized resource to their admins.: > I >I don't suppose we'll ever see http://www.openvms.compaq.com/sys$managertI >... (Hmmm, I don't recall whether $ is valid in a URL...) If we are everhG >to see something like this, it would likely have to come from the usermB >community. Perhaps a project that DECUS could tackle? I've alwaysI >wondered if the Slash perl code could be made to work under OpenVMS, but & >I haven't really had the time to try. >s  ? Slash depends on MySQL, so there's quite a bit of work to port.a  F I'd be very interested in getting a weblog going on OpenVMS if anybodyH has any ideas.  I think a RDB is perhaps not optimal for weblogs anyway,6 RMS Indexed Files might be a win for this application.   >f >Gleni   -Jordan Hendersone jordan@greenapple.como   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:02:05 GMTi= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)h" Subject: Re: TSM and multiple NICs0 Message-ID: <009EE618.F92262FD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  < In article <Whok5.70451$oj6.724416@news1.rdc1.tx.home.com>, 7 "John Stanley - \(ivaxman\)" <ivaxman@home.com> writes:l   Sorry but "I VAXman at home"!      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:07:24 -0400a# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>e" Subject: Re: TSM and multiple NICs+ Message-ID: <3992A90B.3446202E@hsc.vcu.edu>t   uh oh... ;-)   How ya doing, Brian?   J.  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > = > In article <Whok5.70451$oj6.724416@news1.rdc1.tx.home.com>,g9 > "John Stanley - \(ivaxman\)" <ivaxman@home.com> writes:m >  > Sorry but "I VAXman at home"!e >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:41:56 +0100R* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: UCX error message, Message-ID: <8mubf6$1epg@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  T "Lonny Balderston" <lbalders@gte.net> wrote in message news:39918F21.672E@gte.net...7 > The Alpha I support began getting the following errors$ > message most likely due to rexecs: >u= >    %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   9-AUG-2000 08:47:57.17  %%%%%%%%%%%m) >    Message from user INTERnet on ALPHA1a3 >    INTERnet ACP AUXS failure  Status = %RMS-F-WER  >t2 > Anyone have any idea just what is going on here?  K Any reason that a file create failed: full disk, user quota, version limit.fF You may be able to determine the user involved from the security logs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:14:57 +0200 D From: "Michiel Erens" <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS0 Message-ID: <8mtvbo$706$1@highway.leidenuniv.nl>  @ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> schreef in berichtnieuws! 39908668.201FC4DE@videotron.ca...u >lG > There are things that are quite basic with operating systems and juste becausenK > you hire folks who have worked elsewhere doesn't mean that they have been  key G > to implementation or transfered their experience in another operating  system
 > to another.   F I believe the link was dropped here before, but this article describes% the similarities between VMS and NT :a  9 http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=4494r   -- ME   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Aug 2000 12:40:21 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>g  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OSH Message-ID: <y4og31wga2.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  + yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net writes:n  K > Go to that hospital and find out what OS is running their X-RAY machine, ,+ > cancer radiation therapy machines, etc.  s  L That's not the impression I got from the people at a well-known large GermanL company in that business, when I was talking to them about adding additionalI image processing features to their NMR (elsewhere known as MRI) machines.o  3 > You won't find a Billy-Bob box running it becausel? > Billy-Bob's OS comes with a "not for medical use" disclaimer.v  M I don't think there's a piece of software in existence that doesn't come witha such a disclaimer.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:08:30 GMTL% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@dialupnet.com>s  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS8 Message-ID: <lmd5pss0u5dvdbn2sta717n125lnjgl10p@4ax.com>  * On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:40:29 -0700, ChuckT0 <chuck.taylorNOchSPAM@vishay.com.invalid> wrote:  F >The second thing that happened was that they didn't believe that UnixG >was ever going to amount to anything.  Ken Olsen, the former presidentiG >of Digital once said the "Unix, is snake oil".  They missed the windowsG >of opertunity then and have had a difficult time getting back on track4
 >every since.     C This is a mis-representation of what Ken Olsen said.  What he said,a@ IIRC, was that companies selling Unix into the business-criticalE market were selling snake oil.  At the time, this was absolutely truen) - and to some extent, is even true today.s1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqi- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:39:52 GMTa& From: Jerome Fine <jhfine@idirect.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS+ Message-ID: <3992BECE.A36BBE7A@idirect.com>    >Jordan Henderson wrote:  / > In article <3990E37D.D86AA429@tsoft-inc.com>,a. > David A Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:P > >When a company will not let it's products compete with each other, some otherS > >vendor WILL compete with the favored product, and if it cannot hold it's own, it-R > >will be beaten.  I'd rather beat myself than let someone else do it.  Wonder if3 > >Compaq has figured this out yet?  DEC never did.:H > This is, I think, a key point.  The thinking that internal competitionG > is bad and needs to be supressed is the thinking of a monopolist.  IfE@ > only they could supress external competition through political > manuevering they would!r   Jerome Fine replies:  G I think that you also need to distinguish between a small company whicheD may not have the resources to support many product lines and a large> company like DEC was which was already supporting many productK lines, but was adept at suppressing both internal and external competition.a  E > DEC was horrible at this.  I knew someone who worked with a managertB > in the DEC group that were making the multi-processor 486 ServerF > boxes that ran SCO Unix (remember those?).  This guy complained thatE > he had to endure no less than 12 separate internal reviews over theCA > product because of the fears that the machine was a VAX killer.   D That is the likely the same sort of thinking that prevented DEC from@ introducing a PC type of system based on the PDP-11.  All of the> hardware and software was available prior to 1980.  The PDP-11D was so far ahead of the Intel 8086 hardware by 1980 that there wouldB have been no competition for at least 5 years - maybe even 9 years until the 486.  @ > Then, they killed the 10s and 20s because there was no room in* > the product line for those and the VAXs.  F Actually, that part I could understand IF it meant starting up a whole= new product.  But for the PDP-11, DEC was already making themm@ and just needed to make to decision to target the correct market and price them correctly.1  H > A company that's not afraid of competition isn't afraid of it whereverF > it comes from.  They know that competition is really the only way toG > keep yourself sharp.  Fostering competition is the act of a confidentr
 > competitor.a  A >From what I understand, DEC purposely focused on VMS and the VAXeA hardware during the 1980s to the exclusion of the PDP-11 hardware:G and software even though that part of the business was still very largeRE and could have continued to produce even larger profits if allowed to4? continue with hardware development beyond the J-11 chip for theS@ PDP-11 systems.  Indeed, today there are a number of third party< hardware (Mentec/QED/Osprey) and software (E11 emulator from= Dbit and others) improvements to the PDP-11 series of systemse@ that would certainly have been welcome 10 years earlier from DECB themselves.  Instead of spinning off the hardware and software for> the PDP-11 back in 1980 and letting the VAX and PDP-11 compete> head to head so as to force both to become even better - sinceA at some level, probably the PDP-11 was still able to compete withWA the early VMS and VAXen - I understand that DEC took the decisiona? to kill the PDP-11.  It would be interesting to hear the inside = story from ex-DEC employees who saw what happened.  If MenteciF is still able to sell the PDP-11 hardware and software at a profit and? others have been able to develop and sell other PDP-11 hardwarenD and software products all along, just think what DEC might have doneC if the PDP-11 product line had been made independent and given freet0 reign to continue to compete with VMS and VAXen.  A > IBM is keen at this.  IBM has _many_ overlapping product lines.rE > They're even pushing Linux heavily so as to create competition withe
 > themselves.m  F I guess I just said that in my previous paragraph.  Of course, even atH its height, DEC was never as large as IBM.  But, over the past 10 years,J I have helped a number of very large companies fix their systems to becomeD Y2K compatible.  But for some reason, DEC took the attitude that anyA software that was not Y2K compliant prior to the year 2000 needed H enhancements, not bug fixes.  In particular, I have focused on RT-11 forA the PDP-11, an OS which is essentially single user.  Although DEChB released V5.06 of RT-11 in 1992 (3 years after V5.05 in 1989) withA a couple of the utilities made Y2K compliant, RT-11 was abandoned D at that point and Mentec left the Y2K compliant V5.07 of RT-11 untilA November 1998.  What I also do not understand was all the secrecyaH behind all the business arrangements, but I have heard that such aspectsF were part of most DEC contracts - to the point where even the presenceB of a contract with DEC had to be denied.  Does anyone reading this6 know what were the reasons for this kind of behaviour?  F At this point, I am only interested in the RT-11 software from a hobbyM point of view since it looks like all of the friends who needed modifications.I to their systems are now able to get by or will be tossing their systems..J But at least I am still looking at what will be a very enjoyable challengeC in continuing to work with RT-11 software from a hobby perspective,PG so I am not without anything to still have fun with.  There still seemstD to be a very small group who are interested, but I am not sure where they might be.   Sincerely yours,   Jerome Fine    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:41:01 -0400e# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>-  Subject: RE: VMS Vs any other OSD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD7A8@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netA. > [mailto:yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net]* > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:03 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg" > Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS >  > : > In <COAi5.819$yq6.73088@cletus.bright.net>, on 08/10/00 ? >    at 12:03 AM, "Mike E. Fackler" <mfackler@bright.net> said:  > = > >   If it helps any I have a prospect for a entry level IT 0 > job at a local8 > >hospital who's main system runs VMS.  I'm kinda just  > wondering why they > >would have chosen that. > H > Here's the short answer:  When it posolutely absitively has to work it > goes on VMS. > H > Given you are a paramed you can understand the following definition of; > "Mission Critical".  If it fails people die.  Go to that o > hospital and find:F > out what OS is running their X-RAY machine, cancer radiation therapyC > machines, etc.  You won't find a Billy-Bob box running it because ? > Billy-Bob's OS comes with a "not for medical use" disclaimer.y >   B Digital's standard terms and conditions had a similar restriction.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:33:49 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <A_C_Bustamante@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OSB Message-ID: <1IBk5.1853$3M.53401@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  D > So, I could wish for a utility to scan HELP libraries and create aI > database of topics appropriate to various keywords and topics extractedmJ > from the help libraries. An "APRO[POS]" command for OVMS, if you will... >t > -- > David J. Dachterap > dba DJE Systemsw > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p    L Check out Conan the Librarian.  I got this with the WASD Web server, runningI a VAX 7000 left over after we upgraded a customer to an Alpha.  This willkA search help files as well as provide a browser interface to help.     http://www.vsm.com.au:8000/wasd/ ftp://ftp.vsm.com.au/wasd/     Andy Bustamantee Delete ASCI 95s to reply   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:23:21 +0100T# From: nic <no-spam@no.spam.allowed>d8 Subject: Re: Want used graphics card for Jensen DEC 2000/ Message-ID: <399290A9.18D917CF@no.spam.allowed>r  
 Hugh D wrote:) > J > Can anyone suggest a place where I could find a suitable vga card for anG > Alpha DEC 2000 (Jensen), in the UK? I know it will take, for example, : > ati mach64 (ISA), but these are now hard to get hold of.	 > Thanks.E  F I'm pretty sure you'll need the EISA Config Utility disk (ECU) as wellD in order to update the config so that VMS will see the graphics card  0 Does anyone know if this is available somewhere?  D I'm planning to play with a Jensen pc/150 axp in the near future and0 I'll probably need one of these disks as well...   regards,     -- r Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences-1 email : n c l e w s   a t   c s c   d o t   c o mr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:51:58 -0700Q! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coms; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233? C Message-ID: <OFDAB1430C.C85157DA-ON88256937.0060E512@HEALTHNET.COM>n  G Not as flashy a disaster, but a certain company I wont name in the samecG area runs a bureau system and some facilities management machines. ThissC datacentre hosts an aweful lot of business for an aweful lot of bigs
 companies.  H Just after I joined I was talking to the operations manager, who told meF they didn't need a UPS because they were on the same grid as the localH hospital, and the power never went down. They didn't even have a workingK generator. I can't say I was comfortable with that, but figured the guy had,H been there longer than me so I took his word for it. Well guess what, itG went down. There was an explosion at the local substation that took thePJ power out for half a day. I remember crawling through basement in the darkK with a flashlight, looking for one of the few direct analog phone lines, soeJ we could hook it up and dial out. A lot of very big companies were offline% for half a day, and severely annoyed.e  I So of course, within a day or two there were plans to renovate the broken J generator. Some time later, the power went down for a few moments, and theJ generator kicked in as planned. Of course, because there was no UPS in theH loop the power glitch crashed all the machines, but they came back up onF the generator. Only one problem - now the power's back but everyhing'sF still running off the generator, and if they swapped back to mains theJ machines would crash again. Inevitably, none of those big companies wantedK to shut down while we threw a switch, that many machines took ages to boot.nB Everything ran off the generator a week before we could schedule aI shutdown, and it was the devil's own job getting the fuel delivery guy toyB top up the tanks while the generator was running. Too much risk of
 explosion.  - Now they have a room put aside for the UPS's.l   Shanel          B "T Bluck." <tb@planet-tharg.demon.co.uk> on 08/08/2000 02:27:53 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:r  < Subject:  Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?     O.K.  story No 2B         the scene is the basement of the stock exchange in London.? Plessey had just completed installing the new digital telephonet- switch, which consisted of two rows of racks.(; the air-con engineers made the same mistake as your guys...e: and sprayed the whole lot.. (I think they were Swedish?!?)  A There's also another more worrying story at the same site, but ift3 I tell you you've got to keep it a secret!.........c  ? ok. do you remember the hurricane back in the 80's...  well the B power went out in the stock...  in the basement the two generatorsD powered by Rolls-Royce V12 diesel engines, with compressed air start? and synchronising kit failed. they hadn't been turned over on at> regular basis and had damaged (flattened) their bearings. they= started and ran up, sync-locked one threw a rod and the othern@ snapped a shaft.  On the roof the gas-turbine-genny sent some ofC it's blades through the casing and into the room's walls along withe  a fair quantity of fuel and oil.B Just shows that you can spend all you like on backups, but they're# useless if not properly maintained.4  - PS   you didn't hear any of this from me.....v --8 Tim Bluck.   TB565   http://www.planet-tharg.demon.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:55:31 -0700X! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com-; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?aC Message-ID: <OF7F891E5D.C9E94FDD-ON88256937.0062467F@HEALTHNET.COM>   I That reminds me of an incident back when I was a student. The top-loadingdI disk drives suddenly started crashing for no apparent reason. There was acG lot of confusion until someone connected it with the new shelves in the(B computer room. Apparently the workmen had been using the drives as sawbenches....   Shanem          I Alan Greig <alan_greigNOalSPAM@fmc.com.invalid> on 08/09/2000 01:31:56 AM-   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come cc:,  < Subject:  Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?    5 In article <3990A53E.7D450B93@tsoft-inc.com>, David Af# Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:B > slated for removal.  Ast4 > normal, not everyone was on the same page, and one > morning one of the technical7 > people came in to find a workman standing on the disk: > drives, (with RP04s,7 > RP07s, and such, they seem a good bench to stand on),e  5 I can just imagine someone standing on a running RP04i7 and falling straight through the cover into the rapidlys5 spinning platters below. Ouch! An RP07 would probablyt have been safe enough.      F * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also findH related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is	 Beautiful5   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.445 ************************    