1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 11 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 447       Contents: Re: Attached file on mail  Re: Attached file on mail  RE: Attached file on mail  RE: Attached file on mail  Re: Attached file on mail  Re: Big AlphaServer Sale2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)) Re: decc$from_vms and potential filenames   DECnet Plus copying time problem$ Re: DECnet Plus copying time problem$ Re: DECnet Plus copying time problem$ Re: DECnet Plus copying time problem) Re: Decnet plus naming memory -- too much ) Re: Decnet plus naming memory -- too much 
 decserver 250  Emacs on VMS7.1 4 RE: How to backup files since the last image backup.4 Re: How to backup files since the last image backup.9 How to kill a thread that is not at a cancellation point? = Re: How to kill a thread that is not at a cancellation point? = Re: How to kill a thread that is not at a cancellation point?  Re: IEEE floating-point format Re: IEEE floating-point format Re: IEEE floating-point format Re: IEEE floating-point format MGFTP V2.6-4 is now available ( Need help with PC to VMS File Transfers. Re: New KZP?( RE: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( RE: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com& Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise& RE: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY ) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY  RE: PCM / CommandIT $ Re: seeing fragmentation disk status$ Re: seeing fragmentation disk status$ Re: seeing fragmentation disk status% shareable image library (too big ???) ) Re: shareable image library (too big ???) 4 sys$hiber and sys$wake with DECthreads/posix threads8 Re: sys$hiber and sys$wake with DECthreads/posix threads Re: TCPIP 5.0 and FTP & Re: Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command...& Re: Telnet in a single line command... Re: TSM and multiple NICs  VAX CXY08 maximum baud rates  Re: VAX CXY08 maximum baud rates RE: VMS 2.0, anyone? Re: VMS 2.0, anyone? RE: VMS 2.0, anyone? Re: VMS 2.0, anyone? Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS 2 RE: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?2 Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:34:12 +0100 # From: nic <no-spam@no.spam.allowed> " Subject: Re: Attached file on mail. Message-ID: <3993D6A4.C376065@no.spam.allowed>   ANeiva@americel.com.br wrote:  > : > Does anybody know how to send a file attached on a mail? >  > Im giving the command@ > MAIL/SUBJECT="TESTE"   ARQUIVO.TXT    "ANEIVA@AMERICEL.COM.BR" >   G No-one's mentioned SEND/FORE in MAIL, unsupported and undocumented, but > most billybox mailers seem to comprehend they have received an" attachment of one form or another.  7 MAIL/FORE/SUBJ="attachment" filename.ext recipient-name    Works at least up to VMS 7.2   Regards,     --   Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences 1 email : n c l e w s   a t   c s c   d o t   c o m    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:24:28 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au " Subject: Re: Attached file on mail5 Message-ID: <01JSUUN75NSI002VX5@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Nic Clews wrote: >ANeiva@americel.com.br wrote: >>=20 ; >> Does anybody know how to send a file attached on a mail?  >>=20  >> I=B4m giving the command C >> MAIL/SUBJECT=3D"TESTE"   ARQUIVO.TXT    "ANEIVA@AMERICEL.COM.BR"  >>=20  > F >No-one's mentioned SEND/FORE in MAIL, unsupported and undocumented, = but ? >most billybox mailers seem to comprehend they have received an # >attachment of one form or another.  > : >MAIL/FORE/SUBJ=3D"attachment" filename.ext recipient-name >  >Works at least up to VMS 7.2    V. interesting.   = My users use send/foreign to mail binary files to each other.   F I receive mail on my VMS account (haha, bypass the corporate Outlook = crap:-),=20 F but any time I receive an attachment, I download via a Pathworks dire= ctory=20F structure and go on bending knees to a colleague to pick it up for me= .   F Usually works for the few times I get this sort of stuff.  Can I send= /foreign to=203 an Outlook account forwarding my xxx encoded files?   F OT.  Internal mails of many messages, include a text version (normal =
 typing)=20F copy of the usually few lines, and then a WORD document about n times=  as big for=20F the same three lines.  E.G. "A pair of spectacles has been lost on th= e 9th=20 floor."   C Why the **** does this need to be promulgated as a text/WORD thing?    End OT (unless my sig is OT :-)    Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,=20 NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  F Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most=  people,; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:40:00 +0100 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>" Subject: RE: Attached file on mailL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EC7@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  9 > MAIL/FORE/SUBJ="attachment" filename.ext recipient-name   K Apart from being undocumented the use of the /FOREIGN qualifier only leaves G you the subject line to explain to the recipient what the attachment is A about. I would recommend that nobody uses this method for sending E attachments as it places the recipient in a very difficult situation. L Without a reasonable explanation from the sender about the attachment nobody3 these days should open it for very obvious reasons.    John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:08:25 +0100 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>" Subject: RE: Attached file on mailL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EC9@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  H >No-one's mentioned SEND/FORE in MAIL, unsupported and undocumented, but? >most billybox mailers seem to comprehend they have received an # >attachment of one form or another.   8 >MAIL/FORE/SUBJ="attachment" filename.ext recipient-name   >Works at least up to VMS 7.2   F I was curious and tried MAIL/FOREIGN. The recipient (Outlook/Exchange)L recognises the contents as an attachment and labels it  ATTxxxx.ATT which isH fairly useless. Perhaps if the file had been MIME encoded first it would* have been recognised for its content type.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:30:20 +0100 & From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com>" Subject: Re: Attached file on mail* Message-ID: <39940DFC.A4226C2B@compaq.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > byatesiii@my-deja.com wrote:E > > For our use, we ported uuencode to the Vax, and am able to create I > > files, which, when sent as an email, appear as an attachment (with no  > > email text). > O > I believe that this is the only "supported" way of sending binary attachement P > via VMS mail. This is because most news/mail readers will scan the TEXT of theP > message for a "begin" tag line which preceedes a uuencoded attachement, so the< > "pure" text message that VMS mail sends is still workable.  H IMHO mail clients that assume that a mail body which starts with "begin"2 are uuencoded-files are quite simply badly broken.  / That most certainly includes Micros*** Outlook.   G P.s. uuencode/uudecode are included in UCX and TCP/IP services for VMS. B $ uuencode:==$ucx$uuencode      or      uuencode:==$tcpip$uuencode  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd., (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:05:30 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale < Message-ID: <_CUk5.20689$NH2.172600@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009EE689.B2DBC205@SendSpamHere.ORG...   > > K > >And then there's the 100 Marvel (GS320 followon) systems that the French  AEC A > >is gonna lash together in 2001-2002 to do nuclear simulations,  hydrocodes,  > >etc.  > I > Terry, aren't you afraid that the comic book publisher will piss on you ? > just as hard as the Wildfire folks for uttering "Marvel"?  ;)   . Umm, I hadn't thought of that. Damned lawyers!  K I long for the days when DEC and a certain UL vacuum cleaner mfgr could use L the same product name without fear of legal recrimination (DEC agreed not to= build vacuum cleaners, the UK firm agreed not to build 32-bit  superminicomputers).  A Even Apple Computer and Apple Records managed to sort things out.   , Bill Shakespear was right about the lawyers.   cheers,    terry s    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:29:51 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger); Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes) L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1108000329510001@user-2ive6o4.dialup.mindspring.com>  O In article <009EE618.A3C31B49@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:     G > The main processor board.  The LNC02 has seial, parallel and ethernet F > all built on the main board.  The ethernet I/F just "disappeared".     That's not a nice part to need.   G > The printer's "guts" is QMS hardware.  I have also attempted to get a G > replacement from QMS.  In the days of good ol' d|i|g|i|t|a|l, I could H > dial 1-800-DIGITAL and speak with a human -- no annoying voice menu --G > and quickly get a part ordered and, in nearly all cases, it was at my F > door well before the time quoted.  With Compaq, I'm spending my timeH > waiting through their damn voice menu for the "rotary dial -- stay on F > the line" option, only to speak with a droid that hasn't a clue whatG > I need or want, or where to find it and then I'm sent off to a resel- E > ler.  QMS seems to have nothing but voice mailboxes which dump mes- 9 > sages into the proverbial "circular filing" system.  :(   9 QMS has gone WAY downhill.  I don't know what to suggest.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:49:13 GMT % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> ; Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes) ) Message-ID: <8n0em8$68m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   / In article <3991A70F.BB44DB9B@cableinet.co.uk>, &   tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk wrote:> > I would like to suggest that, with the reacquisition of DCPS Engineering  > by Compaq,F > and the factors you mention, now might be a good time to re-evaluate the  > licenceingE > strategy for DCPS for the 21st century, and consider bundling DCPS-  OPEN > withC > VMS (as part of EIS or whatever it might be called now, perhaps).   ? Actually both DCPS-OPEN and DCPS-PLUS are bundled with VMS now. @ At least for certain configurations as our ES40s came with both. --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:32:04 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)2 Subject: Re: decc$from_vms and potential filenamesL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1108000332050001@user-2ive6o4.dialup.mindspring.com>   In article <s6GLezj1sOpW@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote:      > >>   $ set def [.foobar]B > >>   %DCL-I-INVDEF, USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG.FOOBAR] does not exist > > = > > I've never seen this info message.  Is it new in VMS 7.2?  > J >         Apparently David left out a SHOW DEFAULT in the transcript.  TheJ >     SHOW DEFAULT command will issue that message, at least under VMS 5.5: >     and above...the oldest VMS version I have access to. > H Ah so!  That explains it.  Of course I _have_ seen the message, wheneverK I'm in someone else's account and don't have my SD defined!  Not too often.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:41:42 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>) Subject: DECnet Plus copying time problem 2 Message-ID: <8n0s5n$rp5$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>   Bonjour  tous !  E On two VAXstation V4000-90, with VMS 7.1 and DECnet PLUS - no patches % Should be the same SYSGEN parameters.  Same user quotas.   3 Two 10Mb ethernet segments under cascaded 3com hubs * (cascading achieved with 10Mb fiber links)  , Copying a file from one station to another :0 - with Dnet     : 7 minutes for a 1000 bloc file- - wich copy/ftp : 4 minutes for the same file   1 Copying from the second to the first, same file :  - with Dnet     : 5 minutes  - with copy/ftp : 3 minutes   A I dont know what parameters to check to improve the copy process.  Any hint would be welcomed !   Cordialement   Jean-Franois Marchal  X9000 - LYON (FR)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:10:23 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>- Subject: Re: DECnet Plus copying time problem , Message-ID: <8n0u02$197m@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  I "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message , news:8n0s5n$rp5$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...    C > I dont know what parameters to check to improve the copy process.  > Any hint would be welcomed !  @ Unless you meant seconds, when you said minutes, you need to fixA your network! Looking at the CSMA/CD counters in NCL, and running * a Ping test would be good places to start.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:07:00 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>- Subject: Re: DECnet Plus copying time problem 2 Message-ID: <8n115m$trm$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>  5 "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message & news:8n0u02$197m@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk... > K > "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message . > news:8n0s5n$rp5$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net... >  > E > > I dont know what parameters to check to improve the copy process.   > > Any hint would be welcomed ! > B > Unless you meant seconds, when you said minutes, you need to fixC > your network! Looking at the CSMA/CD counters in NCL, and running , > a Ping test would be good places to start. >   , It is clear that there is a network problem.   But 5 - why does copy/ftp copy quicker than decnet copy ... D - why does the decnet copy speed be better in one way then the otherJ   (because one system is upstairs, so bytes have to climb up the fiber ?-)   Cordialement
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:37:38 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> - Subject: Re: DECnet Plus copying time problem + Message-ID: <39940FB2.AD9B61B9@hsc.vcu.edu>   @ i've seen that also.. decnet seems to be guarenteed by dec to be8 correct, the software has a part in the error-checking..  F ftp does NOT do that, as far as I know..  it leaves it to the hardware for that checking.  G as for the truth of that, it's up for grabs, but that's what i think it  is.    J.   "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote: > 7 > "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message ( > news:8n0u02$197m@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk... > > M > > "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message 0 > > news:8n0s5n$rp5$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net... > >  > > G > > > I dont know what parameters to check to improve the copy process. " > > > Any hint would be welcomed ! > > D > > Unless you meant seconds, when you said minutes, you need to fixE > > your network! Looking at the CSMA/CD counters in NCL, and running . > > a Ping test would be good places to start. > >  > . > It is clear that there is a network problem. >  > But 7 > - why does copy/ftp copy quicker than decnet copy ... F > - why does the decnet copy speed be better in one way then the otherL >   (because one system is upstairs, so bytes have to climb up the fiber ?-) >  > Cordialement > Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:26:45 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>2 Subject: Re: Decnet plus naming memory -- too muchJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008110921300.15513-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>    On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, rich wrote:   +Hi, +tI +probably an easy one, but then again... Have 2 nodes running decnet plus  +[...]& +and we are using LOCAL. for naming.   +5> +Nodes were called NODE1 and NODE2. [...] We reconfigured bothI +systems, changing scsnode and names and synonyms... They both answer up lH +to the new names correctly (FRED and ETHEL), however, one of the nodes @ +is still responding to NODE1 as a name, and for the life of me,- +I can't find where it is holding on to this.fG + Decnet_register has no name showing for this, both machine have been o= +rebooted.  As I said [...] Only localfile as the name space.  [...]lI +My question -- WHERE to look for how this system is holding on to a namet" +we don't want it to use anymore??    Hm... In naming cache ! -:),  Has you explicite flush the cache entries ?#  Check HELP in NCL, something like  % NCL> FLUSH SES CONT APP CACHE ENTRY *   < +  (No aliases are listed either and they are NOT a cluster) +n +thanksE +riche    Regards - Gotfryd   -- CE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEr. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:29:20 +0200 5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> 2 Subject: Re: Decnet plus naming memory -- too much- Message-ID: <3993B960.7CEA09A2@whitehouse.nl>X  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote:  ' > NCL> FLUSH SES CONT APP CACHE ENTRY *e   The exact command is:M  1 NCL> flush session control naming cache entry "*"o   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:29:55 -0400A2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: decserver 2507 Message-ID: <200008110730_MC2-AF5C-3649@compuserve.com>-  ( Message text written by Hank Vander WaalE >Does anyone know where I can find the software for a Decserver 250??t <e  J It was on the OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Library CDROMs the last time=  I looked for it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:29:33 GMT  From: burge_man@my-deja.comB Subject: Emacs on VMS7.1) Message-ID: <8n1d5l$t0p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s  ) Hi all, I also posted this on comp.emacs:   1 Does anyone out there have a binary for emacs forp OpenVMS 7.1 on an Alpha?  0 I have tried installing emacs-19_28-19970601.zip1 but cannot get it to compile.  I have checked allo- the faqs and the [.vms] docs but still am not  having any luck.  ' Here is the compiling error I'm having:   
 $ all = "" $ __result := no $ __command :=0 $ if f$type(MMS) .eqs. "STRING" then __result := yesr" $ if __result then __command = MMS $ if __result then sh sym MMS ( $ if __result .and. f$extract(0,1,f$edit# (__command,"TRIM")) .eqs. "$"  then:* __command = f$edit(__command - "$","TRIM") $ sh sym __command   __COMMAND = ""1 $ if __result then __command = f$edit(__command -o "MCR ","TRIM") $ sh sym __command   __COMMAND = ""- $ if __result then open/write foo [.vms]make-e command.cldF. $ if __result then write foo "define verb MMS" $ if __result then write foo "& image ",__command,",cliflags(foreign)" $ if __result then close foo* $ if __result then set command [.vms]make- command.cldi+ $ if __result then delete/symbol/global MMS * $ if __result then delete/symbol/local MMS $ delete/symbol/local __result $ delete/symbol/local __commandy* Producing `[.src]paths.h' from `USER_DISK:- [USER.BURGESS.GNU.EMACSV1928.src]paths.h_in'.  [.SRC]PATHS.H is unchanged.P Producing `[.vms]config.dat'.t [.VMS]CONFIG.DAT is unchanged. $ set def [.vms] $ MMS /Ignore=Warning  /macro=2 ("CC=CC /PREFIX=ALL/NESTED_INCL=NONE /CHECK/DEFINE =s2 (_VMS_V6_SOURCE)","CFLAGS=/NESTED=INCLUDE","CPPFLA GS=",  "LDFLAGS=","MAKE=MMS")I* all_hackargv,all_utime,hackdebug.exe,check	 _verb.exe(" if "" .nes. "" then  define /nolog sys ,sys$disk:[]& if "" .eqs. "" then  define /nolog sys sys$disk:[]0. CC /PREFIX=ALL/NESTED_INCL=NONE /CHECK/DEFINE= (_VMS_V6_SOURCE) /define= , ("__foo__" 'extra_defs') /include=(sys$disk:
 [],USER_DISK:a2 [USER.BURGESS.GNU.EMACSV1928.VMS]'extra_incl')  /N' ESTED=INCLUDE 'extra_cflags' USER_DISK:r$ [USER.BURGESS.GNU.EMACSV1928.VMS]HA-' CKARGV.C /obj = sys$disk:[]HACKARGV.objS' !/list=sys$disk:[]HACKARGV.lis/show=all0   char  *strdup (char *);  .......^1 %CC-W-MISMATPARAM, In this declaration, parameter + 1 has a different type than specified in anm% earlier declaration of this function.a% at line number 171 in file USER_DISK: - [USER.BURGESS.GNU.EMACSV1928.VMS]HACKARGV.C;1    char  *strdup (char *);r .......^. %CC-E-NOTCOMPAT, In this declaration, the type0 of "strdup" is not compatible with the type of a/ previous declaration of "strdup" at line numbers1 179 in file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;2.e% at line number 171 in file USER_DISK:g- [USER.BURGESS.GNU.EMACSV1928.VMS]HACKARGV.C;1 * %MMS-F-ABORT, For target HACKARGV.OBJ, CLI" returned abort status: %X10B91262.  2 If anyone has any suggestions that would be great.   Thanks in advance.   Regards,   -Shane Burgess          & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:05:07 +0100i8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>= Subject: RE: How to backup files since the last image backup. L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EC6@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  H >I am told that there is also a bug in backup/mod/since=backup - in someL >circumstances it will take entire directories if only one file is modified.C >You might check a BACKUP/LIST vs DIR/FULL on a few files to check.s  H The backing up of more files than you expect is a feature not a bug. TheI result of this feature is that incremental backups may be little short ofmJ full backups after several days, depending on disk activity. In such cases+ more frequent full backups may be sensible.a  K >I use backup/mod/since='hard-coded-date-of-last-image' to get around this.a IuI >don't do incrementals (multiple tapes) - I do differentials (one tape oft3 >everything modified since image) replaced nightly.T  D On our systems I do full/image backups every three or four weeks andJ incremental backups every night. Incremental backups are set "/RECORD" andI "/SINCE=BACKUP" so that there's no unnecessary data on the backup tapes. n  F The volume of changing files here makes a differential backup strategyF impractical especially as we have no operations staff. The incrementalL backups usually take one 4 Gbyte Exabyte tape but occasionally take two. TheK strategy of incremental backups being /SINCE=BACKUP allows everything to be4H backup up on a daily basis (apart from a few disks used for data dumping from tape or other media).   John    B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------   Date: 11 AUG 2000 15:24:45 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)= Subject: Re: How to backup files since the last image backup.g6 Message-ID: <11AUG00.15244528@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  9 In a previous article, "Ian Shiel" <ishiel@iol.ie> wrote: I ->I am told that there is also a bug in backup/mod/since=backup - in somenM ->circumstances it will take entire directories if only one file is modified.PD ->You might check a BACKUP/LIST vs DIR/FULL on a few files to check.  K Not a bug but a "feature". With recent versions of Backup (VMS 7.2 I think)n/ there's now a logical to disable this behavior:-  B      $ Define/Table=BACKUP$BTE BACKUP$BTE_DISABLE_SAVE_ALL_DIR " "  L This will restore the old behavior of not saving the contents of a directoryM if the revision date of the .dir file changes (the .dir file itself is always  saved).e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:37:57 GMT. From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk B Subject: How to kill a thread that is not at a cancellation point?1 Message-ID: <39941d28.28862131@usenet.force9.net>m   Hi,s  B Does anyone know how to kill a thread that's not at a cancellationB point?  I am porting some code from UNIX where a thread is created> to do a accept() socket call which blocks.  The UNIX code usedF pthread_kill to stop this thread but this function is not available in VMS! :-(  - As far as I know accept() is not cancellable.   D I would be grateful if anyone would share any ideas on this problem.   TIAi  
 Mark Williamsb http://www.techop.co.ukm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:03:31 -0700t5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>hF Subject: Re: How to kill a thread that is not at a cancellation point?9 Message-ID: <09c31cb9.564a2999@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com>b   Hi,n  : I've imagined (having programmed on VMS for eighteen years8 and not having the slightest interest in threads or C so8 cannot speak authoritively) that a thread has a PID that7 can be killed with $delprc or $forcex? But Maybe that's : only Kernel threads? But I think you can only have so many9 kernel threads per process 32? So I have no idea what youI: do with the others so may I suggest a rewrite/modification; rather than a port of the code. In which case you could usem: $qio calls which can be both asynchronous and cancellable.  6 On the other hand I thought "non-blocking" sockets and8 polling were de rigueur for C/UNIX/Windows people. Under< what circumstances does the existing code call pthread_kill?   Regards Richard Maher.  1 In article <39941d28.28862131@usenet.force9.net>,n mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote: > Hi, 7 > Does anyone know how to kill a thread that's not at aa > cancellation2 > point?  I am porting some code from UNIX where a > thread is createdm6 > to do a accept() socket call which blocks.  The UNIX > code useda7 > pthread_kill to stop this thread but this function isr > not available in
 > VMS! :-(/ > As far as I know accept() is not cancellable.g8 > I would be grateful if anyone would share any ideas on > this problem.- > TIA- > Mark Williamse > http://www.techop.co.uk        * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifulc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:06:02 -0400r" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>F Subject: Re: How to kill a thread that is not at a cancellation point?: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000811120502.00d60cb0@24.8.96.48>  9 At 03:37 PM 8/11/00 +0000, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote:y >Hi, >sC >Does anyone know how to kill a thread that's not at a cancellation C >point?  I am porting some code from UNIX where a thread is createdS? >to do a accept() socket call which blocks.  The UNIX code usediG >pthread_kill to stop this thread but this function is not available int	 >VMS! :-(j  H You can turn on async cancellation for the thread you want to nuke, but E that's a rather dangerous thing to do. (The pthread_kill in the Unix n version's also not safe, FWIW)   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------n2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunkf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:31:16 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>7' Subject: Re: IEEE floating-point format ) Message-ID: <3993B9D4.AC753513@gtech.com>    Ken Halprin wrote:M > Can anyone tell me how to convert IEEE format floating-point numbers to VMSeK > format? I need to transfer data between a WindowsNT workstation and a DEC_ > VAX.  > On the VMS side you can convert by calling CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT !  4 If you have to do it on the NT side you will have to9 get some code that can do the conversion (it do exist !).-   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:58:16 +0010j% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au:' Subject: Re: IEEE floating-point formatg5 Message-ID: <01JSUTPQDR8I002V2R@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   * Arne Vaxhoj (the nearest I can get) wrote:   >Ken Halprin wrote:-N >> Can anyone tell me how to convert IEEE format floating-point numbers to VMSL >> format? I need to transfer data between a WindowsNT workstation and a DEC >> VAX.i >)? >On the VMS side you can convert by calling CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT !  > 5 >If you have to do it on the NT side you will have toe: >get some code that can do the conversion (it do exist !).    Q My experience is that the RTL CVT$CONVERT routine is only satisfactory on VMS to o# convert between native G_ and IEEE.   Q We have to port programs to PCs for our engineers to take elsewhere.  I have not c2 found a better answer than to generate ASCI files.  N There are also well known codes which can do bit swapping from various native B big/little-endian to IEEE format, but I would not advocate that.    , My only offering is to generate ASCII files.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,g
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiak   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,k; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.g   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:11:29 GMT + From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com> ' Subject: Re: IEEE floating-point formatr) Message-ID: <8n0n10$bhm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>p  ) In article <3993B9D4.AC753513@gtech.com>,@@   Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote: > Ken Halprin wrote:@ > > Can anyone tell me how to convert IEEE format floating-point numbers to VMSG > > format? I need to transfer data between a WindowsNT workstation andn a DEC. > > VAX. > @ > On the VMS side you can convert by calling CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT ! > 6 > If you have to do it on the NT side you will have to; > get some code that can do the conversion (it do exist !).k  @ I have C code for single-precision (DEC F-float) <-> IEEE singleF precision if that will do. It works twice as fast as CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT) on DEC, and is also runs on NT and HP-UX.o   Chrisr    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:50:01 -0400 , From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>' Subject: Re: IEEE floating-point format-8 Message-ID: <h218psg4dc712310sepcvgjvgqnk6a5lfq@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:58:16 +0010, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aur wrote:    R >My experience is that the RTL CVT$CONVERT routine is only satisfactory on VMS to $ >convert between native G_ and IEEE. >f  B If you have some examples that show that CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT doesn'tB work correctly for other combinations, I'd be interested in seeing< them.  I have tested this extensively with multiple datatype# combinations and found no problems.o    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)e Fortran Engineeringe& Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 00 11:17:19 -0500) From: goathunter@wku.edu (Hunter Goatley)t& Subject: MGFTP V2.6-4 is now available' Message-ID: <edtdZkuspyG$@axp1.wku.edu>d  E MGFTP V2.6-4 is now available.  This release corrects an oversight in,> V2.6-3 that prevented the MGFTP client from running under UCX.   You can get it via:   ( ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/mgftp.zip' ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/madgoat/mgftp.zipi0 ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/mgftp.zip     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/u   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:13:16 GMTe@ From: Jeff - Coachella Valley Water <cyberunlimited.org@gte.net>1 Subject: Need help with PC to VMS File Transfers.,' Message-ID: <399425A6.D55E0A27@gte.net>j  F Is there any way to format a PC Floppy that will make it readable on a Alpha0H System? I need to download an exe from the Internet, onto my PC and then  F get it over to my Alpha. The Alpha is not connected to the Internet. I
 have triedE Softerm over a serial line, however I end up with a larger exe and ita doesn't executeDG on the Alpha. I need a way to move it to a floppy in files-11 format ors read it from% the floppy on the Alpha in PC Format.o     Thanks.  Jeff - Coachella Valley Water  cvwdmail@netscape.netn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:29:25 +0100 @ From: "Martin Platts" <martin.platts@no-spam.cheshdatasys.co.uk> Subject: Re: New KZP?e2 Message-ID: <8n0a8f$4mh$1@starburst.uk.insnet.net>  J Some progress *NEEDS* to be made in these areas - the pro*liant ranges areK getting all the glory and Alphas (sic) are getting ignored - even the Tru64g
 varieties.  K The Mylex is still a product but is now relegated to the "retired products"iG SOC pages as are most of the other SCSI adaptors - and what information H exists is unclear/wrong regarding the LVD cards (2 or 3 part nos for theK same card?) and cabling (quickspecs referring to cables which don't exist).=  I Chips and Operating Systems may be great, but if you can't connect to any-I modern storage except using some network attached storage from some other  box then its not much use.  : Sadly, I see little or no sign of progress in these areas.  
 Martin Platts   ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messagel0 news:8mn2gn$9u7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >n< > In article <20000805154528.11741.00004661@ng-md1.aol.com>,) dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.) writes:rF > :Rumor has it Compaq is introducing a new KZP.  Does anyone have any informationuG > :on this device?  In particular will it be available for VMS or is it- another- > :UNIX only device? >0J >   I'd be surprised if Compaq did not have support for new host PCI-basedI >   SCSI adapters and new Alpha systems and such underway on a continuous-
 >   basis. >tL >   That said: the only two KPZ* controllers that I can immediately think ofD >   that do not have OpenVMS support are the KZPCA-EA and the KZPCC. (AFAIK,aI >   the former was a particular KZPCA kitting variant, one that contained- only: >   the set of bits that was specific to the NT platform.) >oL >   This would mean that this question likely involves backplane RAID -- andI >   from what I have gathered in various customer meetings I've attended,nC >   OpenVMS customers will typically prefer to use the features andnI >   capabilities of the supported multi-host SCSI configurations and (forl% >   instance) HSZ-series controllers.i >aK >   If you are interested in backplane RAID or other controller-based RAID, K >   I can look into the plans for extending support to current or to future_ >   backplane RAID controllers.h >_, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------$1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringn hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >M   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:00:05 +0100e8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>1 Subject: RE: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.commL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EC4@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  ' > 36 bits is soooo much better than 32!,   But 37 is "better" than 36 !  I But neither 36 or 37 is really useful if you're trying to prepare data to L use on a system with 8-bit bytes. The data conversion problem was one of theH reasons for the demise of systems which didn't use 8-bit bytes ( or some/ multiple of 8 ) as the basic data/address unit.U   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)C   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:05:57 +0010A% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aua1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comf5 Message-ID: <01JSUU08L5W2002VVG@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>"   John Macallister wrote:l  ( >> 36 bits is soooo much better than 32! >L >But 37 is "better" than 36 !S >CJ >But neither 36 or 37 is really useful if you're trying to prepare data toM >use on a system with 8-bit bytes. The data conversion problem was one of the'I >reasons for the demise of systems which didn't use 8-bit bytes ( or somek0 >multiple of 8 ) as the basic data/address unit.    I But also a power of 2 (or 8).  48 is a multiple, but not a pretty number.a   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,m
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,c; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam."   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:28:59 GMTl7 From: Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se>C1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comH- Message-ID: <3993FF9B.F2BE22C9@netinsight.se>1   bill davidsen wrote: > J > In article <8lug56$bla$10@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:9 > | In article <8lsmbo$5ee$1@newssvr02.news.prodigy.com>,e. > |    davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen) wrote: > F > | >  TOPS-20 went the way of MULTICS, no hardware made any more, and" > | >software not support or sold. > |w4 > | Wrong.  TOPS-10 isn't supported or sold anymore.I > | PDP-10s are alive and well running TOPS20.  They just don't have thatI' > | putrid d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo on them.u > F >   As in supported and available new, or as in hasn't died of old ageJ > yet. I can still boot V7 UNIX on a PDP-11 and Sys-III on an XT, assumingE > the hardware hasn't died, but if TOPS-20 is still available or event@ > supported I'm surprised. 36 bits is soooo much better than 32!  < I believe XKL is still developing and selling it, along with= their hardware. Unfortunately, their web-pages don't give anyn information about it anymore.a  + But look at www.xkl.com, or contact them...-   	Johnny    -- a? Johnny Billquist             |  johnny.billquist@netinsight.netd7 Net Insight AB               |  phone:  +46 8 685 04 88a7 Vstberga All 9             |  fax:    +46 8 685 04 20b Box 42093                    |9 SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden  |  http://www.netinsight.neta   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:42:16 GMT % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> 1 Subject: RE: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.coma) Message-ID: <8n0vrm$hvf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  
 In articleA <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EC4@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>,u;   John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote: ) > > 36 bits is soooo much better than 32!4 >a > But 37 is "better" than 36 ! >mC > But neither 36 or 37 is really useful if you're trying to preparen data toeG > use on a system with 8-bit bytes. The data conversion problem was onel of theE > reasons for the demise of systems which didn't use 8-bit bytes ( or- some1 > multiple of 8 ) as the basic data/address unit.-  C But as the PDP-10 architecture supported flexible byte sizes all ofcB the byte manipulation instructions were perfectly happy with 8 bitD bytes. TOPS20 actually supported 8 bit ASCII but I can't remember if this made it into TOPS-10.  B Remember the US Government public domain archives sat on SIMTEL-20D until sometime well into the 90s and there was no problem reading orA saving 8 bit, 7 bit, 6 bit, 32 bit words, 36 bit words to its ftpi server.> --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:10:31 +0100'/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> / Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and OtherwiseE7 Message-ID: <009EE715.9BF92B03.42@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   F > > > Cloroflurocarbons, once relased into the atmosphere, can migrateL > > > through the atmosphere into the stratosphere, where ionizing radiationK > > > can strip off the chlorine atom, prodcing free chlorine radicals (Cl, H > > > _not_ Cl2). The free chlorine radicals are very reactive, and theyI > > > will eventually recombine with other chemicals. The problem is thathC > > > when free chlorine radicals react wtih ozone (O3), they breakgC > > > down the O3 into O2 and re-release the free chlorine radical.e > > >wH > > Which begs the question, if the end result is O2 then why doesnt theG > > same ionizing radiation convert the O2 to O3?  Isn't that where thenJ > > ozone comes from in the first place?  Or do we need to start strippingA > > out emission controls from cars to replenish the ozone layer?  > >    Jack Peacock-  G It does. However, there is a destruction rate and a creation rate, and jJ adding stuff that speeds up the destruction will result in the equilibriumK level of ozone being reduced, and a greater amount of UV getting through toaH ground level. Think of trying to keep a tyre pumped up, while it suffers' an increasing number of nail punctures.s  G Also, the destruction mechanism works in darkness. Australians are the hI biggest victims of this so far. During the several months of an antarctichF winter, the destruction mechanism removes most of the ozone. SometimesB upper-atmosphere weather drifts "clouds" of this de-ozonised upperI atmosphere over australia before the daylight has had much of a chance to D recharge it. I'm told that you can end up with second-degree sunburn6 (blisters) in under ninety minutes when this happens.  > J > Well, I could open the discussion of volume (free chlorine vs. CHFC) and" > atomic/molecular weights, but... > I > My wife and I moved into this house about two years ago. We had to turn.? > off the electrostatic air cleaner because of excessive ozone.w > I > Now, the normal production of ozone "up there" is too slow to keep pacesD > with the effects of ozone depletion. However, if we can make ozoneJ > (whether we want it or not), there should be a way that man-made devices6 > can be sent aloft to contribute to ozone production.  H You're talking about quite enormous quantities of ozone (albeit dilute),I and for that matter of already-released CFCs in the atmosphere. Lets see:lE consider fridges only, probably 1000M of them sold worldwide over 30+wK years, say 100grams of CFC in each, that's 10^8 kg or 10^5 tonnes. Then addiE in auto airconditioners and house airconditioners, and halons used in-D fire extinguishers ... Not something that you can do much about withI aircraft, especially since the nitrogen oxides coming out of the engines lI are also ozone-eaters at altitude (somewhat oddly, since at ground level  ; they contribute to photochemical smog and ozone creation!) H > B > As to the question of "high school" chemistry, consider yourselfG > fortunate. What you're talking about was college-level stuff 28 yearsS > ago. > I > As to the discussion of what happens to free Cl2, I have a question: WeoB > know that things don't just "magically disappear". Where does itJ > (chlorine) go? ...and what happens when we keep increasing the amount of; > "stuff" we "dump" into the environment? Think about it...   L Most Cl2 will end up reacting with H2O to make OCl ions, thence HCl and O2. N The HCl will then typically attack rocks, giving salts like NaCl (common salt)I and KCl and (in the case of carbonate-containing rock) CO2. A small part sH will go via OCl radicals to organochlorine compounds, but it's probably I insignificant compared with the deliberately manufactured organochlorine  * compounds that leak into the environment.    	Yours,h
 		Nigel Arnot:- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   3  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:37:00 -0400o4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>/ Subject: RE: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D850566820D@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00399.530F7358r Content-Type: text/plain;j 	charset="iso-8859-1"p  K I think its a matter of scale - a little cfc can damage a lot of ozone, butxH a little ozone unit in the house doesnt turn out that much ozone/hour...   -----Original Message-----< From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net] Sent: August 10, 2000 11:49 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi/ Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise      Jack Peacock wrote:  > ? > "Jonathan Stone" <jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU> wrote in messagee( > news:8mvf7q$hdh$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU...D > > Cloroflurocarbons, once relased into the atmosphere, can migrateJ > > through the atmosphere into the stratosphere, where ionizing radiationI > > can strip off the chlorine atom, prodcing free chlorine radicals (Cl, F > > _not_ Cl2). The free chlorine radicals are very reactive, and theyG > > will eventually recombine with other chemicals. The problem is that A > > when free chlorine radicals react wtih ozone (O3), they breakgA > > down the O3 into O2 and re-release the free chlorine radical.r > >sF > Which begs the question, if the end result is O2 then why doesnt theE > same ionizing radiation convert the O2 to O3?  Isn't that where thedH > ozone comes from in the first place?  Or do we need to start stripping? > out emission controls from cars to replenish the ozone layer?a >    Jack Peacockl  H Well, I could open the discussion of volume (free chlorine vs. CHFC) and  atomic/molecular weights, but...  G My wife and I moved into this house about two years ago. We had to turnD= off the electrostatic air cleaner because of excessive ozone.1  G Now, the normal production of ozone "up there" is too slow to keep pacerB with the effects of ozone depletion. However, if we can make ozoneH (whether we want it or not), there should be a way that man-made devices4 can be sent aloft to contribute to ozone production.   [stuff deleted...} --   David J. Dachterac dba DJE SystemsT http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00399.530F7358i Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"t+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableN  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">o <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2651.65">l5 <TITLE>RE: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise</TITLE>  </HEAD>D <BODY>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think its a matter of scale - a little cfc can =I damage a lot of ozone, but a little ozone unit in the house doesnt turn =t& out that much ozone/hour...</FONT></P>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>.0 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: David J. Dachtera [<A =I HREF=3D"mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net">mailto:djesys.nospam@earthli=e nk.net</A>]</FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: August 10, 2000 11:49 PM</FONT>3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>n: <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and = Otherwise</FONT> </P> <BR>  , <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jack Peacock wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>-4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &quot;Jonathan Stone&quot; =9 &lt;jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU&gt; wrote in message</FONT>VI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; <A HREF=3D"news:8mvf7q$hdh$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU" =2C TARGET=3D"_blank">news:8mvf7q$hdh$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU</A>...</FONT>3G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Cloroflurocarbons, once relased into the =t atmosphere, can migrate</FONT>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; through the atmosphere into the =- stratosphere, where ionizing radiation</FONT> H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; can strip off the chlorine atom, prodcing =" free chlorine radicals (Cl,</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; _not_ Cl2). The free chlorine radicals are =r very reactive, and they</FONT>C <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; will eventually recombine with other =c% chemicals. The problem is that</FONT>eE <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; when free chlorine radicals react wtih =o ozone (O3), they break</FONT> E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; down the O3 into O2 and re-release the =t free chlorine radical.</FONT>e# <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>oG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Which begs the question, if the end result is =o O2 then why doesnt the</FONT>eC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; same ionizing radiation convert the O2 to =a% O3?&nbsp; Isn't that where the</FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; ozone comes from in the first place?&nbsp; Or =l$ do we need to start stripping</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; out emission controls from cars to replenish = the ozone layer?</FONT>t= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jack Peacock</FONT>w </P>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Well, I could open the discussion of volume (free =E chlorine vs. CHFC) and</FONT> : <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>atomic/molecular weights, but...</FONT> </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>My wife and I moved into this house about two years =o ago. We had to turn</FONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>off the electrostatic air cleaner because of =d excessive ozone.</FONT>t </P>  @ <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Now, the normal production of ozone &quot;up =+ there&quot; is too slow to keep pace</FONT>eH <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with the effects of ozone depletion. However, if we = can make ozone</FONT>tG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(whether we want it or not), there should be a way =g that man-made devices</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>can be sent aloft to contribute to ozone =i production.</FONT> </P>  + <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>[stuff deleted...}</FONT>c <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>s+ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>David J. Dachtera</FONT> ) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dba DJE Systems</FONT>47 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://www.djesys.com/" =r3 TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.djesys.com/</A></FONT>Z </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message = 
 Board:</FONT>r@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/" =< TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/</A></FONT> </P>   </BODY>  </HTML>l) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00399.530F7358--u   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:42:10 GMTa% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> 2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY) Message-ID: <8n0e92$5ue$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   H In article <y4bsz392oi.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,C   Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>u wrote:+ also inform me that they have been aware ofmH > > the problem for 18 months. Why it has taken this long to do anythingC > > about it or even document it in release notes is something of aa puzzle.s > A > A model of British understatement if I ever saw one. I hope youe
 restrainedG > yourself in not shooting the messenger, which I would have understoodc in this- > case.D  B I've been somewhat more direct in private communications where theE messenger and the person with overall Pathworks server responsibility- are one and the same...p  < I received the patch kit but it made no difference. Actually@ it may have even made things very slightly worse. Supposedly the= Updated TCP/IP stack specifically would check for a Pathworkse@ connection and them employ a different algorithm but even the UKE CSC folks were slightly dubious about this. Rightly as it turned out.D  > It didn't help that neither myself nor the UK CSC were able to+ obtain release notes relating to the patch.t  B I've pointed out that Tru-64 and VMS now share the same underlyingC IP stack but that the problem does not show up on Tru-64 (I've beenn; told but cannot confirm directly) so what's the difference?t   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:17:13 -0700h? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid>R2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY9 Message-ID: <13b937aa.a3275db2@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com>-  8 I was told that the release notes for the patch kit were> unavaiable for customers because they contained details of the; source code or some other 'secret info'. If the source codel@ contains the sort of boo-boos that it seems to, I can understand< them not wanting it to get out where others can see it!!!!!!      
 Mike Price7 All entries are personal opinion and do not necessarilyo represent those of my employer.e8 Any resemblence they have to reality may be coincidental  ; -----------------------------------------------------------k  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!  http://www.keen.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:01:25 -0400v: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: PCM / CommandITK Message-ID: <D7E0F3C94377D311A24A00805F19D0EE52A60C@MBCALBEXC04.BENDER.COM>   L If it has not been mentioned, I believe ConsoleWorks from TECSYS DevelopmentL Inc. (www.tditx.com) is a very good replacement for PCM. Although I have notF used it yet, a version exists for OpenVMS Alpha.  In speaking with theL TECSYS folks, they seem to understand OpenVMS quite well, and the advantagesK of managing console output from a robust system (OpenVMS) and from a systemdG that one can login to remotely and use either graphical or command linev
 interface.  J Also, I am under the impression that TECSYS has a marketing agreement withI Compaq to be shipping a copy of ConsoleWorks with each GS series computerIL gratis.  The gratis copy is for NT, but an OpenVMS Alpha copy can be had forE about $8500.00 to manage five console ports.  I believe each additionlG console connection to monitor/manage is about $600.00.  Site license isg about $135K.   :) jck   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net]* > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:08 PM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comh > Subject: Re: PCM / CommandIT >  >  > pmart63@my-deja.com wrote: > > 
 > > Hello,< > >     currently using Polycentre Console Manager (PCM) on  > Alpha VMS V7.1. ? > > Effectively being forced to go to CA's CommandIT if I want n > to upgradeD > > OS. Demo run of product reveals licensing problem and CA are not? > > entirely filling me with confidence as regards resolution. n > Anybody know? > > of any other product that runs on alpha VMS V7.1 AND above 4 > with similarG > > (if not the same) functionality as PCM? Please let me know. Thanks.  > A > The best advice seems to be to keep a small Alpha or VAX around-< > dedicated to PCM, until a suitable substitute comes along. >  > --   > David J. Dachtera- > dba DJE Systems: > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/2 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:29:33 +0200y= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>2- Subject: Re: seeing fragmentation disk statusu) Message-ID: <3993B96D.BEE520F2@gtech.com>r   Pedro Viena wrote:5 >    Is there any way to see the fragmentation statusc > $ >    of a disk DS-RZ1DA-VW (9 GB ) ? > : >    What command can I issue in the Defrag utility to see >    this information ?    $ DEFRAG SHOW disk /OUTPUT=file    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:05:26 -0400p* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>- Subject: Re: seeing fragmentation disk statust- Message-ID: <3993A5B6.7353ABE1@tsoft-inc.com>t   Pedro Viena wrote: >  > Hi VMS gurus:b > 5 >    Is there any way to see the fragmentation statusn > $ >    of a disk DS-RZ1DA-VW (9 GB ) ? > : >    What command can I issue in the Defrag utility to see >  >    this information ?G   Assuming DEC/Compaq DFO.  4 $ defrag show DISK0: /output=DISK0.LST /file=2 /free   That's one of my favorites.1   Dave   -- 04 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:38:50 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>i- Subject: Re: seeing fragmentation disk status ( Message-ID: <3993F3DA.794E732@uiowa.edu>   > Pedro Viena wrote:7 > >    Is there any way to see the fragmentation statusa& > >    of a disk DS-RZ1DA-VW (9 GB ) ? > >o< > >    What command can I issue in the Defrag utility to see > >    this information ?e > ! > $ DEFRAG SHOW disk /OUTPUT=file   D    To show the fragmentation amounts of a disk volume, I believe the command is:z    	$ Defrag Show /Volume Disk$xxxx  A The other one tells you the status of a script for a disk, right?d   rick -- sH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:45:21 +0200 ( From: Rainer Lehrig <lehrig@t-online.de>. Subject: shareable image library (too big ???)+ Message-ID: <3993E751.B27541E1@t-online.de>    Hello,  ) I have the C++ GUI libray Qt for OpenVMS m (see: http://www.trolltech.com dH and http://www.lehrig.de (there click button service)) as ordinary *.olb  ? Now I want to convert the library to a shareable image library.h? I produced an option file with SYMBOL_VECTOR = all qt routines.    The problem is: . VMS tells me that the SYMBOL_VECTOR is to big.  	 Question:l Is there a workaround ?F What can I do ?m  
 Rainer Lehrig  lehrig@t-online.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:39:43 -0400h" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>2 Subject: Re: shareable image library (too big ???): Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000811083906.00cab580@24.8.96.48>  / At 01:45 PM 8/11/00 +0200, Rainer Lehrig wrote:e >Hello,  >e) >I have the C++ GUI libray Qt for OpenVMSw >(see: http://www.trolltech.comeI >and http://www.lehrig.de (there click button service)) as ordinary *.olbe >o@ >Now I want to convert the library to a shareable image library.@ >I produced an option file with SYMBOL_VECTOR = all qt routines. >s >The problem is:/ >VMS tells me that the SYMBOL_VECTOR is to big.1 >r
 >Question: >Is there a workaround ? >What can I do ?  I You can always have multiple SYMBOL_VECTORs specified. That's what we do  % with perl and it works out just fine.a   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------f2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenh;                                       teddy bears get drunko   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:34:05 GMTl From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uku= Subject: sys$hiber and sys$wake with DECthreads/posix threadss1 Message-ID: <39941c55.28651188@usenet.force9.net>h   Hi,n  B Does anyone know if sys$hiber and sys$wake work in a multithreaded? environment using POSIX threads?  In other words can one thread"? wait with a sys$hiber call and then be woken by a sys$wake calln from another thread or process?l   TIAt  
 Mark Williams  http://www.techop.co.uka   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:42:28 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>A Subject: Re: sys$hiber and sys$wake with DECthreads/posix threadsu+ Message-ID: <8n16t6$qai@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   V <mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk> wrote in message news:39941c55.28651188@usenet.force9.net... > Hi,u >hD > Does anyone know if sys$hiber and sys$wake work in a multithreadedA > environment using POSIX threads?  In other words can one thread-A > wait with a sys$hiber call and then be woken by a sys$wake callm! > from another thread or process?e  6 Yes. Sometimes. Guard against spurious wakeups though.@ http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6493/6101pro_030.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:02:42 +0200e5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>a Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.0 and FTP, Message-ID: <3993A512.DA547F0@whitehouse.nl>   paul wrote:j > E > Trying to get FTP working and no matter whether I set up Vanilla orn5 > Anonymous FTP I keep getting the following message;eE >             INTERnet ACP detected TCPIP$FTP exiting before 'accept'- > ! >     Anyone see this one before?j  B Check the protections of sylogin.com and the content. Maybe a 'set' term/inq' is done in this command file.s  ; You can also check the logfile in sys$sysdevice:[tcpip$ftp]t   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:06:32 +0200a5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>t/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...p- Message-ID: <3993A5F8.467FB2BA@whitehouse.nl>a   Phil Tregoning wrote:h  K > Thanks, that almost works for me. I get some message from the SMTP servereM > but it doesn't quite get as far as sending a mail message - I'll look at iti
 > a bit more.a  4 To get this working usually needs a lot of testing.   A > I'm using TCPIP V5.0 (yes, I know, I should upgrade to 5.0A) onr > Alpha/VMS 7.2.  5 This is indeed most likely the cause of your problem.    Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:59:45 +1000 / From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au> / Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command... 3 Message-ID: <KePk5.83115$N4.2063314@ozemail.com.au>e  @ Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> wrote in message' news:3992C18E.4F596680@whitehouse.nl...m > Phil Tregoning wrote:. > < > > > You can use outbound tn devices for this (TELNET> help create_session).I > > > From there you can open the created tn device from dcl and read anda > > > write to it. > > D > > Can you give a working example? The only thing I've ever managedD > > to achieve with TELNET/CREATE_SESSION is a hung workstation (*). > J > Ok, the following dcl sends a mail message to myself on my linux server: >t% > $ telnet /create server 25 101/time ( > $ set ter/noecho/perm/type/past tna101 > $ lf[0,8]=%x0a > $ cr[0,8]=%x0d  > $ open/read/write link tna101:& > $ read/time=0/prompt=""/err=1 link s > $1:-/ > $ read/prompt="''lf'helo a.b.com''lf'" link s  > $ write sys$output s; > $ read/prompt="mail from:appie@whitehouse.nl''lf'" link s! > $ write sys$output s, > $ read/prompt="rcpt to:oswald''lf'" link s > $ write sys$output s" > $ read/prompt="data''lf'" link s > $ write sys$output s. > $ read/prompt="''cr'''lf'.''cr'''lf'" link s > $ write sys$output s" > $ read/prompt="quit''lf'" link s > $ close link > $ telnet/dele 101B > $ exit >O > >Z
 > > Phil T > > ( This reminds me of tell.com using decnet8 I'll see if I can kludge it to connect to an HP jet card Phil H   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:44:47 +0010i% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auI/ Subject: Re: Telnet in a single line command...l5 Message-ID: <01JSUT8ZVALE002U9Y@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>r   Oswald Knoppers wrote: >Phil Tregoning wrote: >AL >> Thanks, that almost works for me. I get some message from the SMTP serverN >> but it doesn't quite get as far as sending a mail message - I'll look at it >> a bit more. > 5 >To get this working usually needs a lot of testing.   >EB >> I'm using TCPIP V5.0 (yes, I know, I should upgrade to 5.0A) on >> Alpha/VMS 7.2.D >S6 >This is indeed most likely the cause of your problem.  L I am no way an expert on networks, but I am using TCPIP V5.0 on OpenVMS 7.2  systems and see no problems.  Q I found the configuration file easy to navigate and "things" just seemed to work t thereafter.o  J It is now TCPIP$config, not UCX$config ...  though I think they both work.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,B
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiad   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,&; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.T   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:17:11 GMTn8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>" Subject: Re: TSM and multiple NICs( Message-ID: <3992EF7C.A1555678@decus.fi>  H The answer depends whether do run DECnet/Plus or DECnet Classic. JudgingG from TSM version (and heavily guessing) I would suspect DEcnet classic.   ) In that case you should do something likea  ! TSM> set server * circuit = EWB-0t   _veli&   "Richard L. Dyson" wrote:O > G > I have TSM (v2.1-07) running on my AlphaServer 2100 with two ethernetlG > cards: EWA and EWB.  I just recently switched all ethernet traffic toiG > just the EWB card.  The EWA card (on the original I/O module card) is " > no longer connected to anything. > I > I have DECnet, TCP/IP (UCX), and LAT all running smoothly on the secondfG > visible ethernet interface.  I recently had to teach AMDS what NIC toiE > use (overriding the default).  However, I believe the TSM (TerminalnF > Server Manager) software may be still stuck on using the first foundH > NIC (EWA).  I can't find any TSM$DEVICE-like logicals or configurationG > settings in the (Dec 1999) on-line documentation CDs (BTW, is it justnE > my copy or is the TSM document in Bookreader all messed up?), TSM$*> > files, or release notes. > B > Does anyone know how (or if!) I can configure TSM to use the EWB
 > controller?h > 
 > Regards, > Rick > --J > Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduJ >  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/J > | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879J > | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17538 > | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy/ >  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:04:27 +0100g# From: nic <no-spam@no.spam.allowed>>% Subject: VAX CXY08 maximum baud ratese/ Message-ID: <3993CFAB.32CA655C@no.spam.allowed>w   Hello,  5 I'm trying to get a CXY08 to go faster than 38400 !!!-  1 I'm running VMS 6.2 on VAX on a QBUS 4000 series.-  G I tried patching TTDRIVER (replacing %X9600 with %XE100) using VFE, the<H first location bugchecks the machine at reboot, the second occurrence isG taken but I can still only set the speed up to 38400, and I want 57600!mG YFDRIVER does not appear  to have %X9600 in it, only %XE100 so I assumehA it is already capable. The SET TERM/SPEED=57600/PERM is taken OK.a  F Has anyone done this with any success? Anyone written their own device6 driver to do this? What is pegging the speed at 38400?  G Reason is, I'd like to make the modem link with my ISP at 57600. I knowhC I should probably go with a DEcserver 90TL, but the above method isf  cheaper than buying a Decserver!  D I've done internet searches, the SPD claims only 19200 for the CXY08    ? Any help gratefully recieved, and posted here if successful fors
 reference!   Regards, -- v Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciencesh1 email : n c l e w s   a t   c s c   d o t   c o mn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:54:20 -0500u) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>a) Subject: Re: VAX CXY08 maximum baud ratesn. Message-ID: <sp819gr1n4t10@corp.supernews.com>  0 "nic" <no-spam@no.spam.allowed> wrote in message) news:3993CFAB.32CA655C@no.spam.allowed...p > Hello, > 7 > I'm trying to get a CXY08 to go faster than 38400 !!!r  L The last I remember reading in the release notes, is that VMS versions aboveH a release I can not directly remember will now support the CXY08 at baud rates up to 38400.    I have not seen anything higher.  H Also using the CXY08 on the QBUS 4000 series requires it to be a minimumH revision.  I do not know what that is, but D06 and D08 seem to be what I have according to the stickers.P   -Johne wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:47:10 +0100 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: RE: VMS 2.0, anyone? L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EC3@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  H >I have a sort of odd question.. Does anyone know what color the binders >are for the V2.0 manuals? o  9 VMS 2.x had manuals with blue covers and white lettering.g   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)-   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2000 08:38:57 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)r Subject: Re: VMS 2.0, anyone?-+ Message-ID: <M5TLwIh9mhBG@eisner.decus.org>   W In article <8mur85$21$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Will Jennings <XDS_Sigma7@hotmail.com> writes:c > Hi,PI > I have a sort of odd question.. Does anyone know what color the bindersXI > are for the V2.0 manuals? I have a bunch of them and I want to put themoE > in binders... or if anyone had an empty set of the binders.. I alsoo  A My set is in blue binders, and every set I saw for V2 and V1 were  in blue binders.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:23:03 -0400h4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com> Subject: RE: VMS 2.0, anyone?sJ Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D850566820A@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00397.5D45E782g Content-Type: text/plain;n 	charset="iso-8859-1"    4.x was orange
 5.x was gray a  H believe me , I threw out enough of both at my last job when they went to DUnix.   -----Original Message-----< From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com [mailto:jordan@lisa.gemair.com] Sent: August 10, 2000 4:53 PMm To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn Subject: Re: VMS 2.0, anyone?t    ) In article <3992CBFF.74F302B9@uiowa.edu>,h. Richard L. Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote: > [snip] >oH >VMS v3.x was blue.  I can't say I have seen or worked with VMS prior to >v3.  Was v2.x in blue too?7 >  >3.x -> blue >4.x -> orange  E Orange!?  I'll have you know that that was 'Chinese Red', not orange!r  G Actually, if you go to a paint store, the Chinese Red you'll find therehF is similar to, but definitely more of a Red color than theose binders.  4 But, I thought 3.x was ora, uh, 'Chinese Red' too...   My memory is failing though...   >5.x -> gray >6.x -> white permaboundC >7.x -> multi-colored, but I have never seen any... :) (CD silver?)a >n >ricke >-- I >Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduDI > _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/fI >| | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879oI >| | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-175337 >| \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomyo. > \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479   -Jordan Hendersong jordan@greenapple.com2  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00397.5D45E782  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">s <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2651.65">f# <TITLE>RE: VMS 2.0, anyone?</TITLE>e </HEAD>i <BODY>  ' <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>4.x was orange</FONT>c' <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>5.x was gray </FONT>S </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>believe me , I threw out enough of both at my last =# job when they went to DUnix.</FONT>  </P>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> 5 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com [<A = I HREF=3D"mailto:jordan@lisa.gemair.com">mailto:jordan@lisa.gemair.com</A>=v ]</FONT>7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: August 10, 2000 4:53 PM</FONT>23 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>27 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: VMS 2.0, anyone?</FONT>v </P> <BR>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In article =+ &lt;3992CBFF.74F302B9@uiowa.edu&gt;,</FONT>-B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Richard L. Dyson &lt;rick-dyson@uiowa.edu&gt; =
 wrote:</FONT>i% <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; [snip]</FONT>n <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;VMS v3.x was blue.&nbsp; I can't say I have seen =h" or worked with VMS prior to</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;v3.&nbsp; Was v2.x in blue too?</FONT>W <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>, <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;3.x -&gt; blue</FONT>. <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;4.x -&gt; orange</FONT> </P>  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Orange!?&nbsp; I'll have you know that that was =s! 'Chinese Red', not orange!</FONT>x </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Actually, if you go to a paint store, the Chinese Red =- you'll find there</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>is similar to, but definitely more of a Red color = than theose binders.</FONT>y </P>  A <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>But, I thought 3.x was ora, uh, 'Chinese Red' = 
 too...</FONT>- </P>  7 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>My memory is failing though...</FONT>  </P>  + <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;5.x -&gt; gray</FONT>i8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;6.x -&gt; white permabound</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;7.x -&gt; multi-colored, but I have never seen =  any... :) (CD silver?)</FONT>h <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>" <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;rick</FONT>! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;-- </FONT>n# <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Richard L. =II Dyson&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=lI nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=oI nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =  rick-dyson@uiowa.edu</FONT>oG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; _&nbsp;&nbsp; _&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =iI _____&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=i nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A =2 HREF=3D"http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/" =D TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/</A></FONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;| | | |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |_&nbsp;&nbsp; =0 _|&nbsp;&nbsp; Systems =I Analyst&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= < ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O: = 319/335-1879</FONT>w1 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;| | | | of&nbsp;&nbsp; | =r- |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The University of =yH Iowa&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = FAX: 319/335-1753</FONT>; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;| \_/ |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; _| =oA |_&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Department of Physics &amp; Astronomy</FONT> 7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; \___/&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =T3 |_____|&nbsp;&nbsp; Iowa City, IA 52242-1479</FONT>i </P>  * <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-Jordan Henderson</FONT>/ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>jordan@greenapple.com</FONT>u </P>   </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00397.5D45E782--    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:44:15 +0200 , From: "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl.rayon@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: VMS 2.0, anyone?u% Message-ID: <8n17bm$jbu$1@wanadoo.fr>t  G They where dark blue and " d i g i t a l "  was write in blue leters insL white rectangles  on the uper cover and on the  side. I still have 4 or 5 ofJ this binders with "Service Education" added in french on the cover. I haveJ got them 19 years ago when we migrate from  PDP11-70/IAS to VAX750/VMS ...   Souvenirs, Souvernirs ...l  	 J-L RAYONh  @ Will Jennings <XDS_Sigma7@hotmail.com> a crit dans le message : 8mur85$21$1@nnrp1.deja.com...- > Hi,-I > I have a sort of odd question.. Does anyone know what color the binderseI > are for the V2.0 manuals? I have a bunch of them and I want to put themdE > in binders... or if anyone had an empty set of the binders.. I alsoc3 > could use a list of what docs are in the 2.0 set.f >e > Will J >i > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:57:22 GMTr% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>t  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS) Message-ID: <8n0f5g$6kq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>S  , In article <39937014.E73AF5B1@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > Bill Todd wrote:H > > The difference between that and having a bunch of really experiencedD > > engineers recreate a complex OS - albeit with major extensions -C > > that they have written once before (for some of them, includinglD > > Cutler, arguably at least twice before, when you include RSX and2 > > VAXeln) is not just measurable quantitatively, >oH > I see a big difference between hiring experienced employees and hiring? > employees with the goal of recreating someone else'e product.  >tG > In the case of NT, I see it just as Microsoft hiring some experiencednG > folks and asking them to write an OS.  Yeah, NT shares similar kernelt; > features with VMS, but so do other OSs, even PDA systems.e >rF > The article that had been posted clearly stated that Cutler left the3 > VMS group in 1981 for his pet MICA/PRISM project.c  E Wrong, he left the VMS group in 1978 to start porting a PL/I compileriH to VAX/VMS - see the book 'engineering a compiler' - ISBN 3-528-02412-7. Co-Author: D. Cutler.    --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:08:56 GMT % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>   Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS) Message-ID: <8n0fr5$72e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  ( In article <8mvbm7$lc5$1@pyrite.mv.net>,*   "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote: >:: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:39931B45.7AD37E6A@videotron.ca...E > > what, my PSION PDA dating back from before NT also has 32 processa
 > priorities,wB > > and it also never lowers a process' priority below that it was created, > but itD > > gets raised when needed. Just like VMS.  It also has event flags etc etc. > > B > > So while it is easy to draw a conclusion that the ressemblance
 between NT > anddF > > VMS is due to NT having been written by ex-DECies, it doesn't mean that > had NT= > > been written by others, it would not have had many of thes similarities	 > because * > > those are pretty basic to modern OSes. >eD > No.  But what it almost certainly means is that it would have been written G > by people writing those features for the first time, using relatively G > superficial descriptions of how they worked (they *could* have looked  at theE > source code or even Ruth Goldenberg and Larry Kenah's book, but I'ms not sure  F In the Sinclair QL Advanced User Guide it stated that the QL operatingB system (written by Psion) was heavily influenced by DEC's TOPS-20.B Which was obvious in any case. Given the family similarity between@ PSION products I would say that any similarities between the PDA+ OS and DEC were not entirely co-incidental.l   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:53:38 GMT % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>-  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS) Message-ID: <8n10h0$ieq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  , In article <39937014.E73AF5B1@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: ,9 >gH > I see a big difference between hiring experienced employees and hiring? > employees with the goal of recreating someone else'e product.e >TG > In the case of NT, I see it just as Microsoft hiring some experiencedI folkskA > and asking them to write an OS.  Yeah, NT shares similar kernelt
 features with - > VMS, but so do other OSs, even PDA systems.u  ? You probably should read Showstopper. It actually quotes Cutlert@ as saying that the work was directly taken from DEC to Microsoft@ and laughing about it. It also says that when DEC first received? the NT code to port to Alpha Cutler went out of his way to maken? sure that it was as obvious as possible where the code had come$@ from originally and again he is quoted as saying "that will piss them (DEC) off".  < Again according to the book Gates had to tell Cutler to stop+ boasting that the work was stolen from DEC.:  B As a matter of interest have you tried typing $ EXIT %Xhexstopcode> where hexstopcode is an NT stopcode on a VMS system. You might
 be surprised.r    F > The article that had been posted clearly stated that Cutler left the	 VMS group-E > in 1981 for his pet MICA/PRISM project. So any knowledge Cutler hade of thew8A > new features added to VMS after 1981 would have been gained notl
 because he, > wrote it, but because he learned about it.  A But one of the goals of MICA was to produce a portable VMS was itr not?   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:47:11 -0400l4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>; Subject: RE: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?aJ Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8505668209@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00392.59FE8F5C  Content-Type: text/plain;e 	charset="iso-8859-1"a  K we had a problem at my old shop - hda failures on our ra81's to the tune ofSF one a month, until we realized that the line printers were next to theF drives (I know, bad design) and the op. was coming in every night, andL dropping boxes of paper (and I do mean drop) in front of each printer, prior to reloading.  Argh.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00392.59FE8F5Cs Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabler  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =s charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2651.65"> A <TITLE>RE: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?</TITLE>  </HEAD>| <BODY>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>we had a problem at my old shop - hda failures on our =rD ra81's to the tune of one a month, until we realized that the line =G printers were next to the drives (I know, bad design) and the op. was =4I coming in every night, and dropping boxes of paper (and I do mean drop) =mD in front of each printer, prior to reloading.&nbsp; Argh.</FONT></P>   </BODY>r </HTML>e) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00392.59FE8F5C--'   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:02:46 +0200E= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>n; Subject: Re: What Can I Do With An AlphaServer 1000A 4/233?a) Message-ID: <3993F976.BE6F9AD3@gtech.com>o   "Bochnik, William J" wrote:RE > we had a problem at my old shop - hda failures on our ra81's to thetD > tune of one a month, until we realized that the line printers wereC > next to the drives (I know, bad design) and the op. was coming in H > every night, and dropping boxes of paper (and I do mean drop) in front- > of each printer, prior to reloading.  Argh..  0 And RA81 was not Digitals most reliable drives !   Arne   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.447 ************************