1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 12 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 448       Contents: A Successful Global Business!  Analysing crash dumps  Re: Attached file on mail  Re: Attached file on mail  Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Emacs on VMS7.1  Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise( Re: How to fake a device full situation.% Re: Linux and Open VMS on Alpha XL266 , Re: Need help with PC to VMS File Transfers., Re: Need help with PC to VMS File Transfers., Re: Need help with PC to VMS File Transfers.& Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY  RE: PCM / CommandIT  Re: PCM / CommandIT  Re: PCM / CommandIT $ Reading Save Set in "ebcidic" format( Re: Reading Save Set in "ebcidic" format$ RE: seeing fragmentation disk status$ RE: seeing fragmentation disk status$ RE: seeing fragmentation disk status$ RE: seeing fragmentation disk status$ RE: seeing fragmentation disk status STOP/ID  Re: STOP/ID  Re: STOP/ID  ucx PROBLEM ?????  VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMS Re: VMS 2.0, anyone? Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:13:20 -0400  From: SuccessisGreat@aol.com& Subject: A Successful Global Business!7 Message-ID: <00002d47795b$00000c23$00003373@172.72.3.2>   4 Major Internet Opportunity and Free Internet Service  2  We started out HUGE & now we've gotten BIGGER !!!  8  Imagine if you could have bought in on the ground floor!  with Microsoft or Walmart, etc.,   @  Well folks, I'm here to tell you that you're in the right place  at the right time !!   @  CASH in now on the most Lucrative Homebased Opportunity of thisH  Millenium with a Internet company that has grown to be #1 in the World!  <  We Capitalize on Three of the fastest growing trends in the!  history of the internet with NO: 	  MEETINGS 
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Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Analysing crash dumps7 Message-ID: <200008112246_MC2-AF82-B535@compuserve.com>   E         To do more than a very superficial reading, you need both the ; source listings and a very good knowledge of VMS internals.   D         It helps to have a copy of "VAX/VMS Troubleshooting" by RuthJ Goldenburg but the only copies I have ever seen had"Internal Use Only" al= l J over them.  As far as I know, it hasn't been updated in years (since 1985= !)G  and has nothing to say about OpenVMS/Alpha.   I think it may have been J used as the text for a crash dump analysis course that DEC used to offer.=  =  F The order number is EY-51315E-P0-0001 but I doubt very much that it is orderable. =    J         Many years ago, I could interpret a VAX/VMS dump with a great dea= l J of pain, fumbling, and thumbing of books.  Now I see a dump about once in=  J 18 months, and I don't work with VAXen at the moment, so I leave the dump= s J to the "dump weenies" in Colorado.  The dump weenies do eight or ten a da= y / and can read them as if they were comic strips!       > Message text written by INTERNET:abirkett@unneccessary.csc.com >All,   E Can anybody suggest some good documents and/or web sites that explain ) how to get to the bottom of a crash dump?    Yours, in ignorance,<    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:25:13 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> " Subject: Re: Attached file on mail( Message-ID: <39944508.C584F28F@mmaz.com>  J > >No-one's mentioned SEND/FORE in MAIL, unsupported and undocumented, butA > >most billybox mailers seem to comprehend they have received an % > >attachment of one form or another.  > : > >MAIL/FORE/SUBJ="attachment" filename.ext recipient-name >  > >Works at least up to VMS 7.2  >   N For those still using VMS 5.5-2, this doesn't work.  Yes, it does appear as anP attachment within the recipients e-mail, Type is APPLICATION/VAX-RMS, which will5 not open and if you save the contents, its garbage...    Barry    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:11:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> " Subject: Re: Attached file on mail, Message-ID: <39944FD4.174DAC7B@videotron.ca>  < > > >MAIL/FORE/SUBJ="attachment" filename.ext recipient-name > > ! > > >Works at least up to VMS 7.2   G MAIL/FOREIGN itself doesn't do anything special except set a bit in the H message and ensure that the file being sent is sent/stored as a file (asL opposed to text that is embedded into the mail message (as is done for short text messages).   N If you succeed in having MAIL/FOREIGN send a binary attachement to an internetM destination, it is because the SMTP server that you are using understands the M Foreign bit and deals with it properly. And how it deals with it will dictate  how the recipient receives it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:07:57 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale 0 Message-ID: <009EE726.0346EBF5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  s In article <_CUk5.20689$NH2.172600@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: K >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message + >news:009EE689.B2DBC205@SendSpamHere.ORG...  >  >> >L >> >And then there's the 100 Marvel (GS320 followon) systems that the French >AECB >> >is gonna lash together in 2001-2002 to do nuclear simulations, >hydrocodes, >> >etc. >>J >> Terry, aren't you afraid that the comic book publisher will piss on you@ >> just as hard as the Wildfire folks for uttering "Marvel"?  ;) > / >Umm, I hadn't thought of that. Damned lawyers!  > L >I long for the days when DEC and a certain UL vacuum cleaner mfgr could useM >the same product name without fear of legal recrimination (DEC agreed not to > >build vacuum cleaners, the UK firm agreed not to build 32-bit >superminicomputers).  > B >Even Apple Computer and Apple Records managed to sort things out. > - >Bill Shakespear was right about the lawyers.  >  >cheers, >  >terry s  A You shant find me to reprove your conjecture or Mr. Shakespear's!  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:26:28 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale < Message-ID: <ErYk5.20847$NH2.173628@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   > >> >G > >> >And then there's the 100 Marvel (GS320 followon) systems that the  French > >AECD > >> >is gonna lash together in 2001-2002 to do nuclear simulations, > >hydrocodes,
 > >> >etc. > >>L > >> Terry, aren't you afraid that the comic book publisher will piss on youB > >> just as hard as the Wildfire folks for uttering "Marvel"?  ;) > > 1 > >Umm, I hadn't thought of that. Damned lawyers!  > > J > >I long for the days when DEC and a certain UL vacuum cleaner mfgr could use L > >the same product name without fear of legal recrimination (DEC agreed not to@ > >build vacuum cleaners, the UK firm agreed not to build 32-bit > >superminicomputers).  > > D > >Even Apple Computer and Apple Records managed to sort things out. > > / > >Bill Shakespear was right about the lawyers.  > > 
 > >cheers, > > 
 > >terry s > C > You shant find me to reprove your conjecture or Mr. Shakespear's!  > --  G But methinks reproach is in order for the flagrant omission of the last  letter of the Bard's surname.    cheers,   ' terry "Another Shakespearean Tragedy" s    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:59:31 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale 0 Message-ID: <009EE735.99AA7566@SendSpamHere.ORG>  = In article <ErYk5.20847$NH2.173628@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,  I "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> (who spells funny) writes:  > H >But methinks reproach is in order for the flagrant omission of the last >letter of the Bard's surname. >  >cheers, > ( >terry "Another Shakespearean Tragedy" s  H Methunketh it was spelled with an "e" but copied your spelling believingH you were a more learned colleague.  And I, who first learned the meaning> of "tmesis" reading William's works, should have known better.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:13:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale , Message-ID: <39945E73.BF122D87@videotron.ca>  I >>I long for the days when DEC and a certain UL vacuum cleaner mfgr could O > use the same product name without fear of legal recrimination (DEC agreed not B > to build vacuum cleaners, the UK firm agreed not to build 32-bit > superminicomputers).  I But considering that just about every appliance these days is driven by a M microchip, should the VAX vacuum cleaners not use a VAX chip iside to control  the device ?  I Think of the marketing potential. Have a mini VMS that runs on the vacuum L cleaner to control not only the devices's functions (and warning when bag isN getting full, self adjusting succion levels etc etc), but you could also run a/ web browser on it while you vacuum the house...   L And think of the possibilities: if you login as "mother", you then have fullN authority/privileges to ramp up the succion to the maximum, but a mother couldG safely delegate vacuuming to the kids and give them accounts with fewer O privileges that woudl restrict the succion power, and access to web sites etc.    H And I am sure some interesting uses could be found by networking two VAXM vaccuum cleaners with DECnet. Better yet, cluster them and have a common file  system/dirt bag. :-)  N Of course, the VMS engineers would be called upon to modify MONITOR utility toM also monitor the amount of dirt being sucked up and provide usage statistics.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:22:01 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: Emacs on VMS7.10 Message-ID: <009EE727.FABD4402@SendSpamHere.ORG>  G In article <8n1d5l$t0p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, burge_man@my-deja.com writes: * >Hi all, I also posted this on comp.emacs: > 2 >Does anyone out there have a binary for emacs for >OpenVMS 7.1 on an Alpha?  > 1 >I have tried installing emacs-19_28-19970601.zip 2 >but cannot get it to compile.  I have checked all. >the faqs and the [.vms] docs but still am not >having any luck.   H It's complete crap!  Unix born psychosis.  It's totally maddening, from G the build configuration genesis from C preprocessor intermediate output H reprocessed to generate even more C preprocessor intermediate steps is  F hosed.  The C preprocessor assumptions made by the Stallman/Unix crowdF have left this package non-buildable under recent versions of the DECCG and Compaq C compiler...  Those that have read a recent thread here are H likely to recall a query of Mr. Vogel about one of the DEC/Compaq C pre-G processor faults which has left this package a collection of disk space 
 wasting slop.   G The other mess you're encounting is pure sloppy coding and really badly B hack C "cuteness".  What the C compiler needs is a qualifier like:  1 /STANDARD=COMPETELY_BRAIN_DAMAGED_PROGRAMMER_CODE   G To get you past some of the competely inane and "never should have been F released to the public domain in this condition" code.  /STANDARD=VAXC will get you only so far...   G BTW, I've had some success with DEC C V5.0.  You must build it on V7.1. F It will not build properly on V7.1-2 or later even with this compiler.   The three greatest lies:   The check is in the mail.  Someone taught me how to port.
 Portable C   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2000 23:17:34 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise 6 Message-ID: <8n21ie$7lo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  s In article <Iumk5.18817$NH2.153000@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: ? :> In comp.os.vms Ramon L. Tate <taterskins@patriot.net> wrote:  ..I :> Once our halon system was set off accidentaly when an air-conditioning H :> repair man was working on one of the three AC systems in the computerI :> room.  A freon tank he was using became unplugged, and started venting J :> freon into the room.  Freon gas is detected by the computer room's fire+ :> systems, which set off the halon system.  : I :Both Freon and Halon (1301 and 1411) are halogenated hydrocarbons, hence H :they are somewhat related. But I've never heard of a computer room fireM :protection system that would trip as a result of sensing Halon (or Freon) in G :the atmosphere. Normally it's heat or incipient products of combustion  :that'll dump a Halon system.   E   Correct, I'd not expect the gas dump itself to trigger the sensors.   E   Blowing up a cloud of dust can trip sensors.  (Some are notoriously D   sensitive to concrete dust, for instance.)  Usually, these sensorsF   are grouped into zones and only one will get clogged at a time (and F   thus only triggers a warning, rather than a system dump).  But stir F   up enough dust and you could quite conceivably fool enough adjacent E   zones in the fire protection system and thus trigger a system dump.   I   Also, every so often, somebody working on HVAC manages to ignite nearby I   materials and trigger a fire -- as AC usually involves fans, and gasses D   from any fire could very easily trigger multiple sensors.  Worse, F   occasionally somebody working on an AC system manages to ignite the D   freon, and you really do not want to be around for the combustion J   byproducts of that particular chemical reaction.  (Unlike more "normal" H   fires, which can produce some lesser but still very nasty byproducts,     such as hydrogen cyanide gas.)  8 :> ...The cost to recharge our halon tanks was about 20KL :> USD each.  But we really don't have to worry about that anymore.  About 3H :> years ago, they renovated the computer room, and turned off the halonL :> system during the construction.  They've never bothered to turn the halonM :> system back on.  They probably want to save money.  So now there are about M :> 6 fire extinguishers in the computer room.  It's the responsibility of the F :> computer room workers to put any fires out themselves with the fire :> extinguishers.   @   I would hope there was some training, as correct use of a fireC   extinguisher isn't nearly as easy as it might seem, and there are A   also cases where the goal of the occupants should be escape and B   not fire suppression -- obviously most folks are not trained in E   fire suppression.  (Even those that are trained in fire suppression E   are typically trained to exit the area unless they have the proper  I   personal protective equipment, and particularly the proper respiratory  D   protective equipment.  A "computer" is not worth "dead", nor is itC   worth the exposure to any of the various lung-damaging chemicals  <   regularly produced by the combustion of modern materials.)   K :A couple of reasons the Halon might have been turned off. Halon used to beaM :cheap; maybe a buck a pound. During the late 70's - early 80's the price clifM :mbed to ~$25 per pound. Seems that Halon does bad things to the ozone layer,SL :just like Freon and other halogens. I believe the US is a signatory to someC :UN treaty banning, or sharply diminishing, the use of the stuff...h  E   Correct.  There is apparently one new/potential substitute for use uF   in quenching the free radical reaction (no, that's neither a fringe F   group nor a rock band :-) necessary as part of the chemical reactionH   within fire, and thus useful within flooding fire suppression systems.  M :Based on the not-inconsiderable expense of Halon, system tests involving the K :fire suppression agent itself are rare these days. Typically the system is L :charged with nitrogen for the qualification test, then recharged with Halon :when it's placed into service.s  D   More than a few sites have discontinued use of these extinguishingG   compounds -- a few sites have replaced these systems with total-floodTG   (oxygen displacement) nitrogen or carbon dioxide systems, which will nH   suffocate the fire but will also have, um, interesting properties for E   anything that tries to breath within the room.  Well, anything that-D   is not wearing self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) or other "   similar source of breathing air.     Hoff7   (state-certified hose-dragger, among other sidelines)$  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:53:39 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>r' Subject: Re: Gases, Noble and OtherwiseS- Message-ID: <3994AE23.766E1D28@earthlink.net>u   Hoff Hoffman wrote:m [snip]G >   Blowing up a cloud of dust can trip sensors.  (Some are notoriouslyoF >   sensitive to concrete dust, for instance.)  Usually, these sensorsG >   are grouped into zones and only one will get clogged at a time (andM= >   thus only triggers a warning, rather than a system dump).T  H Yeah - had that problem on a former site. Sometimes, just walking acrossH the raised floor was enough to knock loose sufficient dust to trigger an alarm.   >  But stirrG >   up enough dust and you could quite conceivably fool enough adjacentgG >   zones in the fire protection system and thus trigger a system dump.   E Luckily, never had that happen. I could see it, though... (*SHUDDER*)i   -- c David J. Dachteraj dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/*   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:39:59 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> ' Subject: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwisea/ Message-ID: <sp9e5dffn4t176@corp.supernews.com>8  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message60 news:8n21ie$7lo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >eB >   I would hope there was some training, as correct use of a fireE >   extinguisher isn't nearly as easy as it might seem, and there areiC >   also cases where the goal of the occupants should be escape andwC >   not fire suppression -- obviously most folks are not trained inM >   fire suppression  J In Tennessee, my employer is required to provide training to all employeesG on the use of fire extinguishers and about any substances that could ben% hazardous in their jobs.  Every year.b  H Of course this is one of the few sites that the training includes how toK deal with a molten metal fire, but thankfully they keep those far away from5 the computers. :-)  G I am not sure to what businesses this law applies to, if it is industryl- related, or just employers of a certain size.   I Getting C.P.R. trained is a very good thing too.  Getting your co-workers $ C.P.R. trained could save your life.     -Johno wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:41:35 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r' Subject: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwiset, Message-ID: <3994C745.B2016FA4@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:uG >   Correct, I'd not expect the gas dump itself to trigger the sensors.h > G >   Blowing up a cloud of dust can trip sensors.  (Some are notoriously-/ >   sensitive to concrete dust, for instance.)      G A bank I worked for had air pressure sensors  under the flooring of its L computer room. Lifting a floor tile to access cables etc, required paperworkJ to disable the alarm during the work. Not sure if this was done to prevent: fraud or if it was just part of the fire detection system.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:29:33 -0400n& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: How to fake a device full situation.o6 Message-ID: <BiZk5.1877$Xt3.52589@weber.videotron.net>  & Have you tried setting up disk quotas?0 Not exactly the same but may work for your test.I Enable quotas on a disk and give everyone a huge amount (or unlimited - I J don't remember if unlimited is a valid value). Give you test user 3 blocks1 and start writing stuff logged on with that user.s  	 Have fun!4   SyltremB  9 CSABA HARANGOZO <csabah@zipworld.com.au> wrote in messagex( news:8mtps7$fc9$1@nina.pacific.net.au...2 > Rienk Zwaagstra <r.zwaagstra@elsevier.nl> wrote:L > > For testing the error handling after a device full I need a full device.I > > Only I'm not able to fill up a device. Is there an other way like for I > > example creating a directory with a size limit or a concealed device?i >a@ > You haven't mentioned what kind of machine you have, but if it2 > has a floppy drive, you could do the following :@ > Chuck in a floppy into drive, initialize it ( with /DENSI=HIGH? > or something similar ), mount it, COPY it full of file(s) and. > there you go, a full device. > Cheers, Csaba1 >uK >    ----------------------------------------------------------------------XG >    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog5G >    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.oK >    ----------------------------------------------------------------------e= >    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:34:23 GMTe3 From: cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius) . Subject: Re: Linux and Open VMS on Alpha XL266+ Message-ID: <xtlzPoS11OFc@eisner.decus.org>,( Keywords: linux alpha redhat xl233 xl266  a In article <zgmjLAuHeHfs@eisner.decus.org>, cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius) writes:"K > When I try to install RedHat 6.2, it doesn't seem to offer me a text modenO > install (does 6.2 have text mode?), and the GUI mode install doesn't properly + > handle my Matrox Millenium graphics card.i  E Just an update: RedHat 6.2 does install and run on my XL now, and the B Gnome GUI interface seems to be working.  After a bit of digging ID found I could add the following to my MILO boot line to get the text mode install I was looking for:r  
   expert text   > So, with regard to the original poster's question, no, OpenVMSC will not run on an XL 233 or 266, but Linux can be made to work and(D there may even be some distributions (Debian? SuSE?) for which these' machines are listed as being supported.h   --8 George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org0                               cornelius@mayo.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:07:58 -0400f- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>>5 Subject: Re: Need help with PC to VMS File Transfers.u, Message-ID: <39944F07.2A683DF7@videotron.ca>  $ Jeff - Coachella Valley Water wrote:J > System? I need to download an exe from the Internet, onto my PC and thenG > get it over to my Alpha. The Alpha is not connected to the Internet. d    N If you get KERMIT on both machines, you can SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the PC andM SET FILE TYPE FIXED on the alpha, and when you send the .EXE to the alpha, itE will be created properly.v  K An executable should have a FIXED record size of 512 bytes, and no carriage  control attribute. (DIR/FULL gives that info).m  M If the Alpha has TCP stack running (intranet), you can just change your PC to M become an intranet PC and use FTP (again, make usre you use binary transfers)o to send stuff over.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:35:16 -0500o7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 5 Subject: Re: Need help with PC to VMS File Transfers.-- Message-ID: <3994A9D4.86EBE499@earthlink.net>0  $ Jeff - Coachella Valley Water wrote: > H > Is there any way to format a PC Floppy that will make it readable on a > Alpha J > System? I need to download an exe from the Internet, onto my PC and then > H > get it over to my Alpha. The Alpha is not connected to the Internet. I > have triedG > Softerm over a serial line, however I end up with a larger exe and iti > doesn't executet > on the Alpha.   ( Remember to do transfers in binary mode.  ; > I need a way to move it to a floppy in files-11 format ore > read it from' > the floppy on the Alpha in PC Format.r  F If you have a CD-R, you could try burning an ISO-9660 CD. Those can be read on VMS.  H Reading FAT format floppies on VMS takes at least some freeware. I thinkF there was something called "PCX" at one time, but I don't find it just know.a  F Kermit is always recommendable, of course; but here again, remember to< do transfers in binary mode for .EXE files, .ZIP files, etc.   -- . David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:18:24 GMTn- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)u5 Subject: Re: Need help with PC to VMS File Transfers.s, Message-ID: <3994dd59.31413650@news.wku.edu>  $ Jeff - Coachella Valley Water wrote: > O > Is there any way to format a PC Floppy that will make it readable on a  AlphanJ > System? I need to download an exe from the Internet, onto my PC and thenS > get it over to my Alpha. The Alpha is not connected to the Internet. I have triedlW > Softerm over a serial line, however I end up with a larger exe and it doesn't executei > on the Alpha.g >aC Another solution, if your .EXE will fit on a floppy, is to run PCX,u6 which reads  DOS floppies under OpenVMS VAX and Alpha.  ! http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/   ( ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/mgpcx.zip' ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/madgoat/mgpcx.zip    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/w9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:24:55 -0500V7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>t/ Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwised- Message-ID: <3994A767.A0BD3C1F@earthlink.net>-   > "Bochnik, William J" wrote:, > B > I think its a matter of scale - a little cfc can damage a lot ofG > ozone, but a little ozone unit in the house doesnt turn out that muchA > ozone/hour...r  ) Go back and read the original post again..  D Electronic air cleaners are not designed to be ozone generators, but they do produce it.n  E On the other hand, ozone generators are not designed to be electronic B air cleaners. Indeed, they would likely be rather unpleasant to be around.o  H Consider the process that began many millions, if not billions, of yearsD ago when green plants began taking in CO2 and releasing free O2 into@ primordial atmosphere. Combined with the effects of the sun, theG miniscule levels of O2 didn't rise overnight to where they stand today,p6 nor did the plant population grow to what it once was.  D Now, if enough ozone generators could be put aloft producing even asE little as several thousand cubic yards of ozone per unit per hour, it.G may take many centuries to undo even the smallest measure of the damageeG done to the ozone layer. Still, anything that swings the balance in ourh favor has to be a plus.c   ...IMO.f   -- p David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2000 15:24:01 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY+ Message-ID: <DkwRZJY5SCD9@eisner.decus.org>   { In article <13b937aa.a3275db2@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com>, Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid> writes: : > I was told that the release notes for the patch kit were@ > unavaiable for customers because they contained details of the= > source code or some other 'secret info'. If the source code1B > contains the sort of boo-boos that it seems to, I can understand> > them not wanting it to get out where others can see it!!!!!!  C If portions of the source code are licensed to them by someone elseDD I can see their lawyers wanting to honor a non-disclosure agreement.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:50:57 -0300i1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>  Subject: RE: PCM / CommandITK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE7EA@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>n   Phil,r  D 	In my opinion (& without prejudice), STAY AWAY from any CA product.I You may want to investigate RoboCentral (Direct Console Connections using>G Serial from DS90 which is IP based and can be used from a PC).  I would K investigate (as a complete BRS alternative) DTCS, Disaster Tolerant Cluster A Services from Compaq.  You may be able to obtain information fromr, DTCS-SUPPORT@COMPAQ.COM or the Q's web site. - Darren   > ----------6 > From: 	pmart63@my-deja.com[SMTP:pmart63@my-deja.com]* > Sent: 	Thursday, August 10, 2000 8:51 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	PCM / CommandITy >  > Hello,I >     currently using Polycentre Console Manager (PCM) on Alpha VMS V7.1.wG > Effectively being forced to go to CA's CommandIT if I want to upgradetB > OS. Demo run of product reveals licensing problem and CA are notI > entirely filling me with confidence as regards resolution. Anybody knowlI > of any other product that runs on alpha VMS V7.1 AND above with similaruE > (if not the same) functionality as PCM? Please let me know. Thanks.e > 	 > Phil M.n >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.o >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andeJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyoL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying. of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaKF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:09:54 -0500h7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o Subject: Re: PCM / CommandIT- Message-ID: <3994A3E2.FAE1309F@earthlink.net>y  ! "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" wrote:  [snip]L > Also, I am under the impression that TECSYS has a marketing agreement withK > Compaq to be shipping a copy of ConsoleWorks with each GS series computer N > gratis.  The gratis copy is for NT, but an OpenVMS Alpha copy can be had forG > about $8500.00 to manage five console ports.  I believe each additioneI > console connection to monitor/manage is about $600.00.  Site license is  > about $135K.   Too bad it's not affordable. s   -- i David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Aug 2000 22:12:18 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)o Subject: Re: PCM / CommandIT* Message-ID: <8n2bq2$d8k$1@lisa.gemair.com>  - In article <3994A3E2.FAE1309F@earthlink.net>,s6 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:" >"Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" wrote: >[snip] M >> Also, I am under the impression that TECSYS has a marketing agreement witheL >> Compaq to be shipping a copy of ConsoleWorks with each GS series computerO >> gratis.  The gratis copy is for NT, but an OpenVMS Alpha copy can be had forgH >> about $8500.00 to manage five console ports.  I believe each additionJ >> console connection to monitor/manage is about $600.00.  Site license is >> about $135K.( >  >Too bad it's not affordable.  >o  F Sounds like an opportunity for someone to do a much better and cheaperD Console Manager product based on a Linux or *BSD system with a 8/16  serial card.  H You could put together an intelligent Console Manager that would includeE scripted boots, remote forced shutdowns, monitoring console logs and wE initiate email/pager/audible alarming on some set of conditions, etc.e   >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/e >s; >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:l  >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   -Jordan Hendersone jordan@greenapple.comn   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2000 18:07:30 GMT" From: scanlonj@aol.com (Scanlon J)- Subject: Reading Save Set in "ebcidic" formato: Message-ID: <20000811140730.02299.00000742@ng-ff1.aol.com>  H Does anyone know of a way to read a backup save set written in "ebcidic" format?s* OpenVMS 6.2 - 1H3, on an Alphaserver 8400.   Thanks in advance for any tips,-   Jim Scanlonn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:29:26 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>-1 Subject: Re: Reading Save Set in "ebcidic" format0( Message-ID: <39944606.8EF83CA1@mmaz.com>   Scanlon J wrote:  J > Does anyone know of a way to read a backup save set written in "ebcidic"	 > format?e, > OpenVMS 6.2 - 1H3, on an Alphaserver 8400.  K Perhaps you are a little confused, VMS backup savesets are never written in K EBCDIC, but ASCII.  If this is a EBCDIC tape, probably from an IBM machine,rD it will still adhere to ANSI tape labeling standards and you can putK together a program to read the tape by mounting it as foreign.  If you knowrK what is on the tape, you can get past the tape labels and actually read theeF file.  I have a couple routines that do E to A translation if you want them...p   Barryu   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOe  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:44:09 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>o- Subject: RE: seeing fragmentation disk statusnK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE7E7@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>-  J I was under the impression you needed the /VOLUME qualifier for this or itC would show you the command file that is used to defrag the disk ???  - Darren   > ----------3 > From: 	Arne Vajh=F8j[SMTP:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com]n( > Sent: 	Friday, August 11, 2000 5:29 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 > Subject: 	Re: seeing fragmentation disk status >=20 > Pedro Viena wrote:7 > >    Is there any way to see the fragmentation status  > >=20& > >    of a disk DS-RZ1DA-VW (9 GB ) ? > >=20< > >    What command can I issue in the Defrag utility to see > >    this information ?d >=20# > $ DEFRAG SHOW disk /OUTPUT=3Dfile  >=20 > Arne >=20    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andrJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.L They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom th= eyL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,= p B  lease notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:45:13 -0300j1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>3- Subject: RE: seeing fragmentation disk statuswK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE7E8@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>s  
 DEFRAGMENT     SHOW       /VOLUMEc             /VOLUMEm           /NOVOLUME (default)v      ;              The /VOLUME qualifier must be used to show thei?              fragmentation state of a volume. It indicates thatf<              any parameter supplied on the command line is a>              volume name instead of a script name. The /VOLUMEA              qualifier is incompatible with any of the qualifiers.A              used to show database information except the /OUTPUT3              qualifier.      =20v     > ---------- > From: 	Boyle, Darren( > Sent: 	Friday, August 11, 2000 3:44 PM- > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com; 'Arne Vajh=F8j'u0 > Subject: 	RE: seeing fragmentation disk status >=20L > I was under the impression you needed the /VOLUME qualifier for this or itE > would show you the command file that is used to defrag the disk ???G
 > - Darren >=20
 > 	----------t4 > 	From: 	Arne Vajh=F8j[SMTP:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com]) > 	Sent: 	Friday, August 11, 2000 5:29 AM@ > 	To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg1 > 	Subject: 	Re: seeing fragmentation disk statusn >=20 > 	Pedro Viena wrote:v8 > 	>    Is there any way to see the fragmentation status > 	>=20u' > 	>    of a disk DS-RZ1DA-VW (9 GB ) ?t > 	>=20f= > 	>    What command can I issue in the Defrag utility to seer > 	>    this information ? >=20$ > 	$ DEFRAG SHOW disk /OUTPUT=3Dfile >=20 > 	Arnee >=20 >=20    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andIJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.L They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom th= eyL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,= poB  lease notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying- of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaRF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:46:02 -0300i1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>n- Subject: RE: seeing fragmentation disk statuslK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE7E9@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>a  " > 	$ Defrag Show /Volume Disk$xxxx > C > The other one tells you the status of a script for a disk, right?  >  that's my understandingt   > rick > --  J > Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduJ >  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/J > | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879J > | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17538 > | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy/ >  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andoJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyings of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda>F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:01:58 -0400e. From: "Vajhoej, Arne" <Arne.Vajhoej@GTECH.COM>- Subject: RE: seeing fragmentation disk status > Message-ID: <CD706D1032A7D311BCF60008C75D64FD767578@BELMAIL02>  C /VOLUME are not even mentioned in HELP with DEFRAG not DEFRAG PLUS.y   Arne   -----Original Message-----6 From: Boyle, Darren [mailto:boyledj@bankofbermuda.com] Sent: 11. august 2000 20:45t; To: 'Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com'; 'Arne Vajh=F8j'; Boyle, Darrenu- Subject: RE: seeing fragmentation disk statust    
 DEFRAGMENT     SHOW       /VOLUME              /VOLUMEo           /NOVOLUME (default)-      ;              The /VOLUME qualifier must be used to show them?              fragmentation state of a volume. It indicates that:<              any parameter supplied on the command line is a>              volume name instead of a script name. The /VOLUMEA              qualifier is incompatible with any of the qualifierstA              used to show database information except the /OUTPUTt              qualifier.n     =20      > ---------- > From: 	Boyle, Darren( > Sent: 	Friday, August 11, 2000 3:44 PM- > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com; 'Arne Vajh=F8j'n0 > Subject: 	RE: seeing fragmentation disk status >=20H > I was under the impression you needed the /VOLUME qualifier for this = or iteE > would show you the command file that is used to defrag the disk ??? 
 > - Darren >=20
 > 	----------u4 > 	From: 	Arne Vajh=F8j[SMTP:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com]) > 	Sent: 	Friday, August 11, 2000 5:29 AMm > 	To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms1 > 	Subject: 	Re: seeing fragmentation disk statusd >=20 > 	Pedro Viena wrote:'8 > 	>    Is there any way to see the fragmentation status > 	>=20;' > 	>    of a disk DS-RZ1DA-VW (9 GB ) ?s > 	>=20y= > 	>    What command can I issue in the Defrag utility to seer > 	>    this information ? >=20$ > 	$ DEFRAG SHOW disk /OUTPUT=3Dfile >=20 > 	Arne  >=20 >=20    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and(? may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy =s legislation.E They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to =  whom theyB are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended = recipient,p B  lease notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.C You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or =I copyingI of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:24:17 -0400c. From: "Vajhoej, Arne" <Arne.Vajhoej@GTECH.COM>- Subject: RE: seeing fragmentation disk status:> Message-ID: <CD706D1032A7D311BCF60008C75D64FD76757B@BELMAIL02>  ! $ DEFRAG SHOW disk /OUTPUT=3Dfilet  / do show fragmentation of the disk at least withm( DEFRAG instead of DEFRAG PLUS installed.  - I will belive that you need to add /VOLUME to- it with DEFRAG PLUS.  - I never install DEFRAG PLUS just to avoid thea weird stuff in that.   Arne   -----Original Message-----6 From: Boyle, Darren [mailto:boyledj@bankofbermuda.com] Sent: 11. august 2000 20:44 * To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com; 'Arne Vajh=F8j'- Subject: RE: seeing fragmentation disk status     I I was under the impression you needed the /VOLUME qualifier for this or =n itC would show you the command file that is used to defrag the disk ???r - Darren   > ----------3 > From: 	Arne Vajh=F8j[SMTP:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com] ( > Sent: 	Friday, August 11, 2000 5:29 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 > Subject: 	Re: seeing fragmentation disk status >=20 > Pedro Viena wrote:7 > >    Is there any way to see the fragmentation statusi > >=20& > >    of a disk DS-RZ1DA-VW (9 GB ) ? > >=20< > >    What command can I issue in the Defrag utility to see > >    this information ?u >=20# > $ DEFRAG SHOW disk /OUTPUT=3Dfileo >=20 > Arne >=20    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and ? may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy =, legislation.E They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to =t whom theyB are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended = recipient,p B  lease notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.C You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or =o copyingp of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda-F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:59:11 GMTd From: trdorr@my-deja.com Subject: STOP/ID) Message-ID: <8n20ft$c1a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>5  B I would like to re-define the command STOP/ID so that no one couldF issue the command. In our environment a STOP/ID halts our application.A Then I want to define STOP/ID to something that no one else knows  about. How can this be done? For example:  STOP/ID=12345678 COMMAND IS NOT AUTHORIZEDsA So when a user tries to do  a STOP/ID they get the above message.t@ Then define a command such as  STOPIT the does the same thing as STOP/ID. Thanks,e Toml    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:45:11 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>m Subject: Re: STOP/ID( Message-ID: <39949007.19B88CCB@mmaz.com>  I You can look at modifying the VERB in the DCLTABLES...  That would be theaI move 'global' way I can think of, but something you must consider, peoplerJ cannot stop processes of another group or system wide unless they have theF appropriate privileges, something most 'users' shouldn't have to begin with.C  + Perhaps you authorizations are too liberal?t   Barry    trdorr@my-deja.com wrote:e  D > I would like to re-define the command STOP/ID so that no one couldH > issue the command. In our environment a STOP/ID halts our application.C > Then I want to define STOP/ID to something that no one else knowsa > about. How can this be done?  > For example:  STOP/ID=12345678 > COMMAND IS NOT AUTHORIZEDeC > So when a user tries to do  a STOP/ID they get the above message. B > Then define a command such as  STOPIT the does the same thing as
 > STOP/ID.	 > Thanks,  > Tomn > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.f   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOo  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:46:52 -0500h7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: STOP/ID- Message-ID: <3994AC8C.9134EAF1@earthlink.net>*   trdorr@my-deja.com wrote:  > D > I would like to re-define the command STOP/ID so that no one couldH > issue the command. In our environment a STOP/ID halts our application.C > Then I want to define STOP/ID to something that no one else knowsm > about. How can this be done?  > For example:  STOP/ID=12345678 > COMMAND IS NOT AUTHORIZEDtC > So when a user tries to do  a STOP/ID they get the above message.iB > Then define a command such as  STOPIT the does the same thing as
 > STOP/ID.	 > Thanks,e > Toma  E As Barry suggested, you could go mucking about in the command tables.*H Just be sure to make your own customized command tables (MYTABLES.EXE orH something) and set that as the default in the appropriate records in theG UAF. The freeware VERB utility will be very useful here unless you knowtG how to hack apart the OpenVMS distribution (not bad on VAX (VMSINSTAL),i% but rather a bother on Alpha (PSCI)).g  H WHATEVER YOU DO - LEAVE THE STANDARD DCLTABLES UNTOUCHED IN THIS PURSUIT8 OR YOU'LL HAVE MORE TROUBLE THAN YOU KNOW HOW TO HANDLE!  = Some application and layered product shutdown procedures (andfE application and layered product (re)start procedures) are heavily, ifo" not totally, dependent on STOP/ID.  E PROCEED WITH EXCESSIVELY EXTREME CAUTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!a   -- D David J. Dachteray dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:48:31 -0700s/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>M Subject: ucx PROBLEM ?????M Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDED1@seantexch.unitedad.com>   
 HELLO ALL,H Vitals:(DS20 v7.1-2, ucx 4.2 with all applied ECO's. At least I think we have)  p  L     I have what looks like a UCX problem. I am not a net guru so please bareG with me. Working with out net op manager we watch a session open on ouroL alpha and see that all is good and it closes normally, the same system triesJ to started another session with the Alpha and the Alpha this time send theI packet to back to the wrong mac address. I restarted tcpip and all lookediH good , for awhile. So from what I see it looks like our stack is gettingK corrupted. has anyone else see this? We have seen the following problems inaK the last week. all print queues stopped, response problems and user droppedo1 some time the users could not re-reach the alpha.    any help appreciated t
 Terry         5 *****************************************************a    5 *****************************************************e4 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those ofo United Advertising Media.d5 *****************************************************J4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and mayG3 contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ifi3 you are not the intended recipient of this message,1. please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. It 0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons or-- entities other than the intended recipient isr prohibited.e5 *****************************************************  **   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2000 19:27:27 GMT! From: briannfo@aol.com (BrianNFO)w# Subject: VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMSr: Message-ID: <20000811152727.00174.00001648@ng-ch1.aol.com>  O I have an ooold VAX application that I need to run on an Alpha.  We do not haverL the compiler for the Alpha, and I thought a while back there was a tool that9 could take a VAX image and create an Alpha image from it.a  0 Maybe I was dreaming...does this exist?  Thanks.   Briany   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:56:57 -0400s. From: Michael Umbricht <mikeu@shrimp.osfn.org> Subject: Re: VMS 2.0, anyone?d/ Message-ID: <3994AEE9.CD23A943@shrimp.osfn.org>r   Will Jennings wrote: >  > Ken,F > Oddly enough, I have everything to make that system configuration...E > other than that I haven't ever checked out how much memory is in my-F > 11/780.. or my 11/750 for that matter <g> Of course, the RP06 is the  3 My hobbyist system is an 11/750, maxed out at 14MB.o  G > the '780.. I'd love to run VMS 2.0 on the '780, actually to be honest7H > I'd most want to run 1.0 on it. But then lately I've been messing with  = Usually, I run v5.4-2 on the 750, but I have booted v3 on it.d  F Now does anyone know where a (still readable) v2.x install tape can be found?4 (I do have a valid hobbyist license for running VMS)  E I am starting a project to archive my collection of early VMS releasea tapes ? onto an optical library.  I have several version of v3, v4 (ands	 MicroVMS)m   -mikeu   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Aug 2000 15:51:49 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS! Message-ID: <Ky3ePCauNemD@flying>/  0 A lot has been made about the similarity between3 RSX/VMS and Windows NT.   But I haven't seen anyone*4 comment on how much parts of WNT look like they came from VAXeln.  0 I am nowhere close to being a VAXeln expert, but5 when I first read "Inside Windows NT" (Helen Custer),y3 I was struck by how much the object-oriented nature 1 resembled VAXeln.   It looks like Cutler took the 2 parts of VMS that he liked, and combined them with the parts of VAXeln he liked.e	 Comments?s   -- oB --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:58:01 -0500-7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>0  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS- Message-ID: <3994AF29.7CEC882E@earthlink.net>g   Bill Todd wrote: [snip] >   > JF, you really haven't a clue.  H Just curious, Bill. Does *ANY*one here meet your intellectual standards?  ? ...or are you intentionally trying to fill those infamous shoes F long-timers here (not me, obviously) remember so well from years past?   -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho//   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:22:58 GMT.& From: Jerome Fine <jhfine@idirect.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS+ Message-ID: <3994B51B.A119A44C@idirect.com>-   >Richard D. Piccard wrote:   > >Jerome Fine wrote: H > > That is the likely the same sort of thinking that prevented DEC fromD > > introducing a PC type of system based on the PDP-11.  All of theB > > hardware and software was available prior to 1980.  The PDP-11H > > was so far ahead of the Intel 8086 hardware by 1980 that there wouldF > > have been no competition for at least 5 years - maybe even 9 years > > until the 486.X > And they came very close to doing it!  My former employer once upon a time (perhaps 20W > years ago) bought a Heathkit H-11:  a PDP-11/03.  It had serial and parallel ports, 8tX > KBytes of RAM, and several open Q-Bus slots.  It came with paper-tape operating systemP > (I borrowed a Teletype ASR-33 from the biologists' scintillation counter) that > included BASIC and FOCAL.U   Jerome Fine replies:  R I am not sure what the difference was in cost, but there was a VT103 that includedO a VT100 with a 4 * 4 Qbus backplane - with 18 bits no less.  Power was minimal,pR but with a floppy controller, that was not a problem.  Eventually, that system wasT re-wired for 22 bits, had a dual 11/73, 4 MBytes of memory, a DLV11-J, a third partyR dual MSCP disk controller and a DHV11 - probably around 1985, all of that hardwareS was available even though it was not done until about 1995 when prices had declinedlO to the point that an RD53 was used as the disk drive and placed under the tube.mI That would have been a very different system from the PDP-11/03, but ....*  U > After going through a long song-and-dance, I persuaded Digital to sell me RT-11 andeP > FORTRAN without support.  The FORTAN compiler as shipped would not compile theW > one-page test program that was in the documentation.  I had to manually apply a dozen$R > or so patches!   (But, I must say that they did include the instructions for the > patches in the paperwork.)  L the basic software that you used with RT-11, and FORTRAN IV (I presume) ....  U > We ended up buying third-party RAM (a single card with the maximum 64 KBytes) and aiS > third-party disk subsystem with DMA controller (high-density 8-inch floppies, NOT1X > compatible with Digital's of that era).  That system served, among other things, as myN > personal computer through the era of the Apple II, the IBM PC, and the early > Macintosh.  U was still compatible with your 64 KByte system using RT11FB.  In fact, except for the*T substantial difference in speed and even greater reduction in cost, a current PDP-11B system has not changed all that much from 1985 and even from 1980.  X Up until last year, I was providing support to a number of customers using RT-11 systemsV and software with applications that were first started more than 20 years ago.  Due toT hardware problems, the usual solution was to shift to running the identical software? (WITHOUT  ANY  CHANGE  IN  EITHER  RT-11  OR  THE  APPLICATION)aO on a PC under W95 and a PDP-11 emulator called E11 - except for one application*M where I presume that the switch was made to a PC and all new software writteneM at a cost that was probably fifty times the cost of the E11 emulator license.tL But in that case, I suspect that the decision to abandon the PDP-11 softwareN along with the hardware was not made on a strictly economic basis, but becauseI the users wanted to have a strictly PC based system at whatever the cost.f  O One system was very interesting.  The TU58 tape was retained on the development=O system since the production system uses a real dual DEC TU58 tape as the sourceET for both the executable file and data.  However, just for fun, I booted the originalJ 1978 V3.0B version of RT-11 on the real DEC TU58 - connected to a COM portR on the PC which was running the E11 emulator and ran RT-11.  I also ran a modifiedI version of RT-11, V5.04G patched with Y2K fixes, from that same TU58 tapeiL drive on the PC just for the fun of saying I had done so.  The same customerK also needed their V5.04G system patched to be Y2K compliant and the DDX.SYStV device driver was already part of the distribution, so it was just a matter of putting: all the files on a TU58 media and seeing if it would work.  W I guess that I am just trying to say that DEC missed the boat when, as you also stated, H the only aspect needed for DEC to have captured the PC market would haveN been an acceptance that it was worth while to do so.  Since IBM made that sameU mistake, I suspect that it is difficult to fault Olsen for not having 20/20 foresightdM back in 1985 when DEC had been doing so well for the previous ten years.  ThesL computer market has changed so much in the last 20 years that only a companyS which was so large like IBM  was able to survive.  Almost all (are any left) medium9N sized companies from 1980 are now gone.  Maybe that says it more than anythingK else.  Univac, Wang, Control Data, Burroughs, Xerox (computers), DEC (as an=M independent company), Apple (as an effective force).  Only the relatively new*N companies like HP and Sun are still present.  So maybe in hindsight, Olsen wasM not a bad as made out to be since who else survived except IBM?  Just a finale thought?  N Of course, that does not detract from the sad decline that PDP-11 software andS hardware experienced.  It just makes it a bit less of a reason to point a finger as N to why it happened.  Perhaps the same could be said for VMS.  By the time thatM Olsen left (was removed?), the decline at DEC was probably irreversible.  ButsP while the warning signs were apparent to those willing to risk everything on theK new computer model of the market place, the decline at DEC must have looked1P as if the cliff suddenly appeared out of the blue - especially to those who wereS looking to the rear at all of their great accomplishments.  Recently, I have becomeFR less critical, especially since I am not aware of what actually happened - perhaps: I might be more critical if I actually knew what happened.   Sincerely yours,   Jerome Finee   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:22:45 -0400u' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>   Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS( Message-ID: <8n2jbh$oi6$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3994AF29.7CEC882E@earthlink.net...  > Bill Todd wrote: > [snip] > >a" > > JF, you really haven't a clue. >VJ > Just curious, Bill. Does *ANY*one here meet your intellectual standards?  H The majority of people, in fact:  anyone who doesn't think he or she hasF some kind of personal pipeline to truth that bypasses any need for theH support of facts and/or competent authorities well-acquainted with same.   - bill   > A > ...or are you intentionally trying to fill those infamous shoesiH > long-timers here (not me, obviously) remember so well from years past? >a > -- > David J. Dachterae > dba DJE Systemss > http://www.djesys.com/ >u< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/*   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.448 ************************