1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 12 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 449       Contents: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale= Re: How to kill a thread that is not at a cancellation point?  I thought this was silly too!  Re: Is there a TSM replacement? % Re: Linux and Open VMS on Alpha XL266 " Re: OpenVMS on Digital Server 5300" Re: OpenVMS on Digital Server 5300) Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY  Simple RT-11/TSX question  Re: VMS & Tru64 in a SAN Re: VMS & Tru64 in a SAN VMS hobbyist version Re: VMS hobbyist version Re: VMS hobbyist version Re: VMS hobbyist version: Re: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How? Re: VMS Vs any other OS $ Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)  VMS vs unix (the true contender)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2000 04:08 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale - Message-ID: <12AUG200004080345@gerg.tamu.edu>   u In article <_CUk5.20689$NH2.172600@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes... K }"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message + }news:009EE689.B2DBC205@SendSpamHere.ORG...  }> >L }> >And then there's the 100 Marvel (GS320 followon) systems that the French }AECB }> >is gonna lash together in 2001-2002 to do nuclear simulations, }hydrocodes, }> >etc. }>J }> Terry, aren't you afraid that the comic book publisher will piss on you@ }> just as hard as the Wildfire folks for uttering "Marvel"?  ;) } / }Umm, I hadn't thought of that. Damned lawyers!  } L }I long for the days when DEC and a certain UL vacuum cleaner mfgr could useM }the same product name without fear of legal recrimination (DEC agreed not to > }build vacuum cleaners, the UK firm agreed not to build 32-bit }superminicomputers).  } B }Even Apple Computer and Apple Records managed to sort things out. } - }Bill Shakespear was right about the lawyers.  }  }terry s  J For a more computer oriented conflict, there is the Matrox Marvel graphicsG cards (there was the original, which was just the Marvel, then there is H at least one since then in, I think, the G100 or posisbly G200 series of cards).    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:38:41 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>F Subject: Re: How to kill a thread that is not at a cancellation point?- Message-ID: <39948E81.5B177AB1@tsoft-inc.com>    mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote: >  > Hi,  > D > Does anyone know how to kill a thread that's not at a cancellationD > point?  I am porting some code from UNIX where a thread is created@ > to do a accept() socket call which blocks.  The UNIX code usedH > pthread_kill to stop this thread but this function is not available in
 > VMS! :-( > / > As far as I know accept() is not cancellable.  > F > I would be grateful if anyone would share any ideas on this problem.  @ I'm neither a 'C' or 'threads' programmed, so beware any advice.  P When issuing any call on VMS, the call may have capabilities for timing out.  IfM not, then issuing a timer AST before issuing the call to the procedure is one O way to interupt a procedure after a set amount of time.  How you clean up after O having control passed to the AST routine is sort of dependant upon what's going / on, and I'd guess how you exit the AST routine.   N I'm familiar with doing this in MACRO-32, and with procedures I've written, soN an abort is something I've designed into the procedure.  With a C RTL routine,- I'm not qualified to say actually what to do.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:09:06 -0700 % From: jhix <jashicks30@email.msn.com> & Subject: I thought this was silly too!8 Message-ID: <02f201c00477$bbd6a6c0$efe9163f@oemcomputer>   THE PROGRAM =                  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$   :                     INCREDIBLE $0 to $50,000 in 90 days!!!   Dear Friend,  @ You can earn $50,000 or more in next the 90 days sending e-mail.% Seem impossible? Read on for details.   3                            "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV"   D Thank you for your time and interest. This is the letter you've beenF reading about in the news lately.  Due to the popularity of this lett= er> on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devotedE an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to ' see if it really can make people money.   @ The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal.C Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no B laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped? show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make  extra money at home.  C The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people E are participating that those involved are doing much better than ever A before.  Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its F been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once y= ou experience it.  0                                HERE IT IS BELOW:  =                   *** Print This Now For Future Reference ***   @ The following income opportunity is one you may be interested inC taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and " the income return is TREMENDOUS!!!  ?                 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ F              If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than = 90 days  ! E              Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!!! ?                 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$   6 THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY.F It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard=  work,F and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the = mail. F If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you have b= een F waiting for, THIS IS IT!  Simply follow the instructions, and your dr= eamsE will come true. This multi-level e-mail order marketing program works  perfectly...100% EVERY TIME.  > E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this> non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!!! The longer you> wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action!!!    > MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability.D It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both StanfordA Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% B and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-levelB methods by the mid to late 1990's.  This is a Multi-Billion DollarC industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) F made their fortune in the last several years in MLM.  Moreover, stati= stics F show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marke= ting.   @ You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald@ Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave askedE him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from D scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good networkC marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and D boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response:C "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!"   F The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fi= ngers.F Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some though= t and F study to it. My name is Johnathon Rourke. Two years ago, the corporat= ion I B worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. F After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business.=  Over F the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems.  I owed=  my  family, F friends and creditors over $35,000.  The economy was taking a toll on=  my F business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinan= ce andD borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business.A AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am F writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your l= ife  FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!!  @ In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month'sF prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for informati= onF on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in=  my F opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for = me to F comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to s= eeB if they would work or not. One claimed that I would make a millionF dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to m= ake it!   E But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I F Did not send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a maili= ng list. = THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to F make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Her= e was a ; MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted F to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil = and  paper E and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most D of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about theF legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Offic= e F (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! A= fterC determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided   "WHY NOT."   E Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time D on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any moneyB for printing to send out the program, and because all of my ordersB are fulfilled via e-mail, my only expense is my time. I am tellingF you like it is I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself = thatB I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it made me.  E In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1 F By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is t= o < "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF9 YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first F step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done.  By January 30, I had rec= eived @ 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+5 ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT 5 MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, 9 THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. F " Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I s= at back F and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing, I received $58,000 with mor= e  coming in every day.  E I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take ; time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE C FOREVER!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program F does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of no= t F trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work and you= 'll F lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you mu= st? meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for 7 REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. " I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!!  F If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It real= ly is a C great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to  participate,E follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. F If you are a fellow business owner and are in financial trouble like = I was,D or you want to start your own business, Consider this a sign. I DID!  ,                                   Sincerely,/                                Johnathon Rourke   4 A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:  ? By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you A should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, * could not have been created by an amateur.  B Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable businessE for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing E the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't E working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. E Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been @ with us since 1945.I don't have to tell you what happened to the= unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand F experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever befor= e.  C The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing D invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those whoE never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks B of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POORE GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow ; you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that.   > You have just received information that can give you financialD freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLEF BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than y= ouF have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a pen= ny of this > money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for thisB program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS!I have retiredE =66rom the program after sending thousands and thousands of programs.   E Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way A It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy @ of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of theF people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be o= n  everyone of them!   C Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers  you will reach.   D So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials andC opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!   .                               "THINK ABOUT IT"  B Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did,E take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil E and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the D worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will@ still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what youE invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come 
 in. IT WORKS!   2                          Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA  - HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU  THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$  *                              INSTRUCTIONS:  < This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME.A I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 D days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully.  > This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money makingD opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level@ businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners andB selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit" new multi-level business partners,A and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY B MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personalD selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This: is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere.      (                This is what you MUST do:  . 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below2     (you can't sell them if you don't order them).D -- For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT= YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN B ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears onA the list next to the report.  MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON + YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! B -- When you place your order, make sure you order each of the fourD reports. You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them.C -- Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the fourhF reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for yo= u to; send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you.p  E 2. IMPORTANT DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next D to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other thanA instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out onoE the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works,tD you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this> method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work.3 a. Look below for the listing of available reports.-E b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement and(@     remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person hasE     made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000!t? c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4.e? d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.a? e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.e7 f.  Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.0  9 Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name ando address,  ACCURATELY!d  F 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and=  savehF     it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion o= f this letter.t  ? Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surelyw; you can afford $20). You obviously already have an Internetc connection and e-mail is FREE!      8 There are two primary methods of building your downline:  )            METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAILr  B Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes,? and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 A programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5%eD response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also,C many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead C of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 E programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1.,F Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a tota= luE of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2.e> Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000.D The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000E send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% responseNF to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for yo= u.F CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50= ,000 for a total of $55,550!!!   8 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000< PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS8 PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF= EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000.hF Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your=  costi toF participate in this is practically nothing.  You obviously already ha= ve ant InternetF connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT #2 will show you the best met= hodsF for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail softwar= e and  where to obtain e-mail lists.      7            METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNETo  E  Advertising on the Internet is very, very inexpensive, and there are D  HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to startE  small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY E  10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREEtF  ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume = thatB  everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members.=  Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below:   F 1st level--your 10 members with $5...................................= ....$50GD 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)..................$500B 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)...........$5,000@ 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000).....$50,0000                   THIS TOTALS ---------->$55,550  C Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate onlyoD recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if theyD got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants!F THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mai= l @ Them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAYD SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY sendE out with OUR name and address on it will be prompt because they can't 	 advertiseb until they receive the report!  0                                AVAILABLE REPORTS  4         *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME ****                                     Notes:7 -- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT.     CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED.o/ -- ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL.oA -- Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least twon: sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, include:> (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your3 e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address.w    7                 PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:y    F REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Interne= t"   ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:h R. Hicks 8502 Arcadia DrU Frisco, TX 75035    F REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet= "l   ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:5
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 P. Drucker 1517 A Rolling Glen Rd Boothwyn, PA 19061    = REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power oft=                        Multilevel Marketing and the Internet"    ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:  E-Solutions 101l PO Box 6411l Providence, RI 02940    9           About 50,000 new people get online every month!     4                     ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******C -- TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and followk     the directions accurately.C -- Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them whenoF     the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, = youp/     MUST send out the requested product/report.o= -- ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. A -- Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow theu:     instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL!? -- ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED!d  ;                     ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******t@               Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:  F If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, contin= ueF advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks = laterlF you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don=92t, = continueF advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 1= 00 oreF more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is alrea= dy7 working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in!s  5                        THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:eA Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed intC front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS bynB watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to? generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continuetC placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to 0 the income you will generate from this business!  E Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate inoD this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOURF LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about = this program:  E 1. You are selling a product which does not Cost anything to PRODUCE,r     SHIP OR ADVERTISE.) 2. All of your customers pay you in CASH!a9 3. E-mail is without question the most powerful method of=@     distributing information on earth. This program combines theE     distribution power of e-mail together with the revenue generatinga#     power of multi-level marketing.eE 4. Your only expense--other than your initial $20 investment--is your!
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 otherwise?  
 Hans Vlems3 David Chan Sho Ving heeft geschreven in bericht ...o >Hi All, > I >From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is that OpenVMSmJ >7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot the OS CDROM,- >the installation always halts at this point:f >iF >    %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXEA >    %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910r >t >    halted CPU 0n >g >    halt code = 5 >    HALT instruction executed >    PC = 1d2a4A >    P00>>>  >nJ >Does anyone know what the problem could be ? I've checked the contents of1 >the CD and the above mentioned file is not theren >(sys$cpu_routines_EA05.exe).  >p. >ANY help will be very much appreciated, thanx >n >David >  >  >  >r >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:52:52 -0400t6 From: "Michael A. Foley" <mike.foley@technologist.com>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS on Digital Server 5300o8 Message-ID: <Dwdl5.466072$MB.7061102@news6.giganews.com>  D     No, the DEC 5300 is the white box Alpha that was designed to runD     NT only. (Ugh, what a stupid strategy, but that's another topic)  J     You can get an SRM for it that will allow you to run Linux, but that'sD     about it. What you are seeing in VMS  is that the system type isG     not supported. It may look and breath like an AlphaServer 2100, buto%     it's SRM doesn't report it as so.y       Linux runs well on it tho.     mike    - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message " news:8n3ddt$f0i$1@news.IAEhv.nl...F > Without a systems and options guide at hand, I'd say that a DEC 5000D > system is based on a MIPS cpu and will thus only run Unix (SCO ?).E > So the box ought to complain. Could you tell us what made you thinku > otherwise? >$ > Hans Vlems5 > David Chan Sho Ving heeft geschreven in bericht ...s
 > >Hi All, > >aK > >From all the information I've gathered, my understanding is that OpenVMSgL > >7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I boot the OS CDROM,/ > >the installation always halts at this point:t > >aH > >    %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXEC > >    %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910l > >e > >    halted CPU 0B > >A > >    halt code = 5  > >    HALT instruction executed > >    PC = 1d2a4Y
 > >    P00>>>e > > L > >Does anyone know what the problem could be ? I've checked the contents of3 > >the CD and the above mentioned file is not there  > >(sys$cpu_routines_EA05.exe).p > >s0 > >ANY help will be very much appreciated, thanx > >  > >David > >m > >- > >e > >e > >  >d >.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:48:22 -0400R* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>2 Subject: Re: Patwhorks Performance and TCP NODELAY- Message-ID: <399490C6.BF26B585@tsoft-inc.com>R   Alan Greig wrote:  > D > I've pointed out that Tru-64 and VMS now share the same underlyingE > IP stack but that the problem does not show up on Tru-64 (I've been = > told but cannot confirm directly) so what's the difference?t  K Well, I am a suspicious person by nature, so maybe there isn't a conspiricyoO under every rock.  But I have to ask about the relationship between the VMS and J T64 people.  Could the T64 people be engaged in a bit of the type of stuff$ Microsoft does with it's 'partners'?   Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2000 11:04:22 -0500B From: ciswired@sherrill.kiva.net (Cornerstone Information Systems)" Subject: Simple RT-11/TSX question, Message-ID: <8n3si6$tg7$1@sherrill.kiva.net>  A I have an 11/83 system with RT-11 and TSX installed.  I know nextT to nothing about RT-11 / TSX.o  : I want to convert it to 2.11BSD.  I know a lot about UNIX.  ? The RT-11/TSX system has Kermit on it.  I plan to use Kermit to N bring over the 2.11BSD 9-track tape images.  The system has a 9-track digidata. 800/1600BPI drive attached that is functional.  D My question is:  What are the right command(s) to use under RT-11 toA transfer disk files directly to tape as images?  How do I control = the blocking factor, prevent rewinds between files, etc?  Them? images I have need to be laid out sequentially on the tapes and ? have varying blocking factors (i.e. the first two files need toa, have a blocksize of 1K, the rest 10K, etc.).   Under UNIX what I would do is:    dd if=file.1 of=/dev/nrst0 bs=1k    - For the first file ! dd if=file.2 of=/dev/nrst0 bs=10kb    - For the second file.  Etc.   : Any help out there for the requivalent RT-11/TSX commands?   Thanks very much,t   Gregory Travis' greg@littlebear.com / greg@ciswired.comv 812-824-7333   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:05:37 GMTa+ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com.nospam>n! Subject: Re: VMS & Tru64 in a SANy0 Message-ID: <39957616.C348F2F0@wi.rr.com.nospam>   Rob Urban wrote:  L > As I was writing the above it occurred to me that there is a product (fromL > Compaq, I think), called SecurePath which, if I remember correctly, allowsI > Tru64 V4 systems to take advantage of multipath functionality... so youhH > might be able to run your VMS and Tru64 systems from the same HSG pair" > in a supported config after all.  . Secure Path is only offered on NT and Solaris.   SeeTU http://207.18.199.3/products/storageworks/Storage-Management-Software/SecurePath.htmlN   -Scott Vieth :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:42:21 +0200l% From: Rob Urban <urban@spielwiese.de> ! Subject: Re: VMS & Tru64 in a SAN$- Message-ID: <3995705D.60A08987@spielwiese.de>    Uwe Zessin wrote:0 > < > In article <3985ecf4$0$23266@SSP1NO25.highway.telekom.at>,< >   "Robert Schmoelzer" <robert.schmoelzer@tirol.com> wrote:
 > > Hi folks,T > >17 > > I am trying to configure a SAN configuration with al8 > > VMS cluster and a Tru64 cluster in 2 Wildfire boxes,3 > > connecting via FC-switch to a ESA/MA 12000 witho > > 2 HSG80. > 9 > 'Wildfire' is a trademark of 'Wildfire Communications'.R; > It should _not_ be used for the AlphaServer GS80/160/320.e > - > > Now, the "SAN Application note" tells me, 7 > > OpenVMS requires multipath failover mode and SCSI-3T8 > > Tru64 requires transparent failover mode and SCSI-2. > 6 > It is Tru64 Unix version 4f/g that have this limits.= > Can you use version 5.0A? (I beleive V5.1 isn't there, yet)s > 5 > > How should i configure the HSG80s to use the ESAl > > from both Systems????e > B > When I have *played* with this, OpenVMS did work with the HSG80s: > being in transparent failover mode, but not with SCSI-2!@ > (It configured the CCL as a disk and ignored all other units.) > ; > I don't know if you can run Tru64 Unix V4 with the HSG80sb0 > being in transparent failover mode and SCSI-3. > @ > I am afraid you cannot run OpenVMS + Tru64 Unix V4 on the same' > HSG80 in a 'supported' configuration.   ; probably not in a 'supported' config, but it should work in0C multipath failover mode.  The problem with Tru64 V4.X and multipath F failover arises when you have more than one FibreChannel HBA (Host Bus@ Adapter) in the Tru64 machine, in which case the system will seeG a single HSG disk (let's say "D1") via each HBA, and because V4 doesn'trB normally (see below) understand multiple paths to the same device,C but rather uses the Bus/Target/Lun combination to uniquely identifypC a disk, it will conclude that it sees a separate disk for each HBA.O  J As I was writing the above it occurred to me that there is a product (fromJ Compaq, I think), called SecurePath which, if I remember correctly, allowsG Tru64 V4 systems to take advantage of multipath functionality... so you F might be able to run your VMS and Tru64 systems from the same HSG pair  in a supported config after all.  	 Rob Urban.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2000 13:14:11 GMT& From: "Beatles" <l.bechet@freebel.net> Subject: VMS hobbyist versionl0 Message-ID: <01c004a9$66e8f0a0$02c8c8c8@pentium>  E I'm trying to run an old VAXstation 3100 M38 but I don't have any OS.eC I've heard that a free version of VMS is avaible for non commercial  purpose.B Is it true ? Where can I download it ? Could someone give me a few9 informations about installation of VMS on this computer ?r Thank you for your help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:57:43 -0500E7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>e! Subject: Re: VMS hobbyist versionR- Message-ID: <399565E7.7B16124D@earthlink.net>    Beatles wrote: > G > I'm trying to run an old VAXstation 3100 M38 but I don't have any OS. E > I've heard that a free version of VMS is avaible for non commercial1
 > purpose.D > Is it true ? Where can I download it ? Could someone give me a few; > informations about installation of VMS on this computer ?E > Thank you for your help.  ? Well, it's not a hobbyist "version", just a hobbyist LICENSE...0  > ...and you can get it at this URL if you're a member of DECUS:  ! http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/T  G The o.s. itself is not downloadable. However, at the above URL you willt8 find links to a page where you can order the CD on-line.   --   David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/Y   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2000 16:16:43 GMT- From: ba600@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mike Kenzie)o! Subject: Re: VMS hobbyist versiono/ Message-ID: <8n3t9b$i5j$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>E  9 "David J. Dachtera" (djesys.nospam@earthlink.net) writes:  > Beatles wrote: >> CH >> I'm trying to run an old VAXstation 3100 M38 but I don't have any OS.F >> I've heard that a free version of VMS is avaible for non commercial >> purpose.nE >> Is it true ? Where can I download it ? Could someone give me a fewf< >> informations about installation of VMS on this computer ? >> Thank you for your help.o > A > Well, it's not a hobbyist "version", just a hobbyist LICENSE...i > @ > ...and you can get it at this URL if you're a member of DECUS: > # > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/d > I > The o.s. itself is not downloadable. However, at the above URL you willT: > find links to a page where you can order the CD on-line.  J Is it also available on TK50 tape?  My VAXSTATION doesn't have a cd (yet).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:30:00 -0500w7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>l! Subject: Re: VMS hobbyist versionr- Message-ID: <39957B88.DA06315E@earthlink.net>    Mike Kenzie wrote: > ; > "David J. Dachtera" (djesys.nospam@earthlink.net) writes:t > > Beatles wrote: > >>J > >> I'm trying to run an old VAXstation 3100 M38 but I don't have any OS.H > >> I've heard that a free version of VMS is avaible for non commercial
 > >> purpose.aG > >> Is it true ? Where can I download it ? Could someone give me a fewE> > >> informations about installation of VMS on this computer ? > >> Thank you for your help.e > > C > > Well, it's not a hobbyist "version", just a hobbyist LICENSE...T > >rB > > ...and you can get it at this URL if you're a member of DECUS: > >v% > > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/v > >rK > > The o.s. itself is not downloadable. However, at the above URL you willu< > > find links to a page where you can order the CD on-line. > L > Is it also available on TK50 tape?  My VAXSTATION doesn't have a cd (yet).  C There are those who can put it on TK50 for you. E-mail me privatelynE (drop the .nospam from the reply-to address) and we can get this doneU for you, if you want.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:01:31 GMT - From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>)C Subject: Re: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?n; Message-ID: <%Mcl5.65262$fR2.686697@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>e  	 Stphane,o  I Attunity (Formerly ISG) has an ODBC driver which may be what your lookingiL for.  We use on our VMS system to allow PC's access to data and allow VMS to@ connect to SQLServer on NT (yes both ways).   Check them out at:H http://www.isgsoft.com/  You are looking for the product called Attunity  Connect (formerly ISG Navigator)  
 Dave Pampreens GKN Automotive, Inci Auburn Hills MI, 48326 USA  H "Stephane Paquin" <stephane.paquin@nospam.ispatnet.com> wrote in message- news:deXf5.26404$227.499548@nnrp1.uunet.ca... : >     Hi! I am looking for an answer to a simple question. >uL >     We are currently using an Oracle/VMS VAX to keep our process data. ButF > the old 3100 VAX is nearing the end of its life and I am looking for7 > alternatives. One of them is a NT box with SQLServer.  >-H >     Now, my VMS processes on other nodes manipulate data in the OracleJ > server through SQL*net network connection very easily. If  I install theI > NT/SQLServer box, how does a VMS process on another node can manipulate  they@ > data on the server ? What are the tools available to do this ? >  >     Thank you in advance.a >o >     Stphane Paquint >     Ispat Sidbec >u >  >  >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:42:46 -0500w7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>e  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS, Message-ID: <39957076.E5DD2D2@earthlink.net>   Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:3994AF29.7CEC882E@earthlink.net...t > > Bill Todd wrote:
 > > [snip] > > >u$ > > > JF, you really haven't a clue. > >bL > > Just curious, Bill. Does *ANY*one here meet your intellectual standards? > J > The majority of people, in fact:  anyone who doesn't think he or she hasH > some kind of personal pipeline to truth that bypasses any need for theJ > support of facts and/or competent authorities well-acquainted with same.  $ I know I'm gonna regret this, but...  A So, years of study and personal experience are meaningless, then?   @ ...and if that's the case, then how does one become a "competent4 authority well-acquainted with (fill in the blank)"?  H Is there some "magic" that happens when one gets "published", or written> up in a prominent magazine or journal? Does this somehow grantH irrefutable credibility? "Published 'authorities'" have been proven dead- wrong in the past. What *IS* the magic there?E  B Give me - and others like me - the benefit of your infinite(simal)D wisdom - Consult the "facts and/or competent authorities" and answer these questions!  H My apologies to the group for this outburst. I may well be the only here: who feels this way, but I'm damned sick and tired of this!   -- l David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:16:00 -0400d' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>e- Subject: Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender) ( Message-ID: <8n3pk9$4ih$1@pyrite.mv.net>  , Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message! news:39956553.FA235EEB@vrx.net...6I > I read the "VMS vs any other OS" thread, and got to thinking, about howsG > widespread unix is. and all the talk of reliability, clustering, etc.dH > How about comparing VMS to Unix ? Linux has clustering now, although I: > wouldn't class it in the same league (I could be wrong).  L I would have agreed until a couple of days ago (no Linux clustering packagesL I had seen provided general-purpose high-availability:  they just did thingsL like large scientific network-of-workstations types of things - Beowulf - or= read-only Web-server load-distribution), when I stumbled upon0# http://www.missioncriticallinux.comi  I Apparently a group of Tru64 expatriots decided about a year ago to form a$F Linux clustering start-up, and they've just shipped (and provided openD source for) a product that appears to be similar to Sun's clusteringA facilities (possibly lacking the ability to retain/rebuild clienttF file/byte-range lock context across a fail-over:  I don't know whetherJ that's part of the new, improved NFS itself or a Sun-proprietary feature).  G Unix seems the more immediate threat to VMS, since VMS no longer enjoysvL enough lower-end market penetration/revenue/profit to have that much to loseJ there from NT/Win2K.  And Linux is likely to be interesting to those whoseJ minds are open enough to consider VMS when a Unix could do the job (which,J realistically, may be true in most cases - even if VMS might arguably do a better one).   - bill   >PG > So how would you compare VMS to say BSD (freebsd/netbsd) or Linux, oreJ > for that matter, Solaris.  Unix is stable, doesn't have the M$ problems. >tC > So the differences I can think of are multi-processing, security,  > effciciency, etc.  >rJ > This is just so I can pass onto people who keep telling me "VMS is dead, > and it's nothing special". >i6 > I love VMS, been a long time user since around 1978. >  > B. >0   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:53:24 GMTh! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>h) Subject: VMS vs unix (the true contender)w' Message-ID: <39956553.FA235EEB@vrx.net>   G I read the "VMS vs any other OS" thread, and got to thinking, about howuE widespread unix is. and all the talk of reliability, clustering, etc.tF How about comparing VMS to Unix ? Linux has clustering now, although I8 wouldn't class it in the same league (I could be wrong).  E So how would you compare VMS to say BSD (freebsd/netbsd) or Linux, oreH for that matter, Solaris.  Unix is stable, doesn't have the M$ problems.  A So the differences I can think of are multi-processing, security,a effciciency, etc.t  H This is just so I can pass onto people who keep telling me "VMS is dead, and it's nothing special".  4 I love VMS, been a long time user since around 1978.   B.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.449 ************************rstanding is that OpenVMSgL > >7.2-1 should ru________  &    4.2    MadGoat-Announce@MadGoat.com  =           Announcements of new releases and new products fromO8           MadGoat. To subscribe, send a mail message to:  8                     MadGoat-Announce-Request@MadGoat.com  ?           with the word SUBSCRIBE in the first line of the bodyc           of the message.a  L           __________________________________________________________________  "    4.3    MadGoat-Bugs@MadGoat.com  8           Address for reporting bugs in MadGoat Software>           products. 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