1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 452       Contents: Re: Affordable: A Clarification  Re: Affordable: A Clarification & Re: Basic TCP/IP configuration for PPP Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Bill vs. Carl 4 Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS system Check this out... # Re: Ken Olson's "snake oil" comment + Need a good hint to solve PathWorks problem / Re: Need a good hint to solve PathWorks problem  Re: OpenVMSware  Re: OpenVMSware & Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise& Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise Running Defrag (DFO)...  Re: Simple RT-11/TSX question  Re: Using telnet/pppd on VMS# Re: Versions of DSN - which is best  Re: VMS Vs any other OS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2000 21:39:09 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: Affordable: A Clarification* Message-ID: <3996f95d$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  p In article <39903c70.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:, >Peter LANGSTOEGER (eplan@kapsch.net) wrote:M >: Most servers I know of started as a $1000 system and got upgraded over the K >: time. And only if they serve over say 500 users, the price of a Proliant > >: is justified. So, we are comparing apples with lemons here. > C >I doubt that. The upgrade process (a faster CPU, a new motherboard D >to fit the new CPU socket, more memory, more & bigger disk, anotherF >motherboard with SMP option, a second CPU, yet more memory, a 100MBitG >ethernet card) probably makes the system over time more expensive than # >the Proliant (and the DS systems).   , It might be the case, that it doesn't count.2 But is still the way - if I look around - life is.G Cost effective ? Ha. If the TCO study on the VMS site is correct (which C I won't doubt), than why on earth does anybody in the world run the  more expensive systems ?  J Now, VMS is only in the situation of "me too" and sometimes not even that.C So, NT is the first choice (with a $1000 system as a start) and VMS C is only considered if you really really need high availability of a 4 general purpose operating system (which NSK is not).  J All we need are *really* cheap VMS systems - and there I think a cheap VMSL license is also really needed - and "killer applications" because VMSclusterE or high availability alone, doesn't let a PHM open it's money pocket.   J A *cheap* and *reliable* database (of course named ORACLE) would be a good start. Sigh.   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:01:13 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ( Subject: Re: Affordable: A Clarification- Message-ID: <39970C99.194AE375@earthlink.net>    Martin Vorlaender wrote: > - > Peter LANGSTOEGER (eplan@kapsch.net) wrote: N > : Most servers I know of started as a $1000 system and got upgraded over theL > : time. And only if they serve over say 500 users, the price of a Proliant? > : is justified. So, we are comparing apples with lemons here.  > D > I doubt that. The upgrade process (a faster CPU, a new motherboardE > to fit the new CPU socket, more memory, more & bigger disk, another G > motherboard with SMP option, a second CPU, yet more memory, a 100MBit H > ethernet card) probably makes the system over time more expensive than$ > the Proliant (and the DS systems).  F Even so, the "pieces" were more "affordable" than if they had all beenH bought at once - the server, the upgrades, the upgrades to the upgrades,4 ... even to buy a high-powered system to start with.  H I realize that I'm not a "recognized expert" or a "competent authority",' but here's an example from my own life:   C My budget was bit stretched back in '95 when I first moved into the C townhouse in Carol Stream. My '386 was stretched to keep up with my G needs, but I couldn't afford a brand new '486. Best Buy in Blommingdale G had a store-shelf demo unit - 486SX/33, no box, no disks or manuals for F a good price (I forget how much exactly). Less than two years later, ID got a 486DX4/100 overdrive CPU, more memory and bigger hard disk for less than $400.   G So in my case, it was easier to buy affordable pieces than to shell out 2 big bucks for a high-powered system to start with.  7 Perhaps some businesses find the same is true for them.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:12:30 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>/ Subject: Re: Basic TCP/IP configuration for PPP - Message-ID: <3996D6FE.407A4BCB@tsoft-inc.com>    Alan Frisbie wrote:  > = > I have never installed or configured TCP/IP for VMS before, 4 > so I am a bit lost.   I need a tutorial for simple > starting configurations. > < > I have installed VMS 7.2-1 and TCP/IP v5.0A on my hobbyist= > AlphaStation 200.   It is a totally stand-alone system, not > > networked to anything (yet).   It has an Ethernet interface,< > but it is not connected to anything.   I want to configure< > TCP/IP to use TTA0: as a PPP link, in the same manner that< > my PC currently is.   That is, I want to run Netscape just? > as if I were doing it on my PC (but without all the crashes).   N I've followed this short thread since I wanted to do the same in the past.  AtP this time, I have been unable (quite possibly my being too dense) to get the VMSL system to be a PPP client through the serial port.  There were several postsO with some directions, which I still have copies of if you want to read them.  I N got as far as initiating the connection, but if I remember correctly, I didn'tN get a connection, and the modem would immediately hang up.  I do have a staticD IP address from my ISP, which I thought would help.  Nothing helped.  N I've read David's reply, and concur at this time.  I'm using a ?router? with aK modem.  The router connects to a hub/repeater, so I'm not limited to 4 RJ45 M ports like the 3-Com product.  My entire network has internet access when the I link to the ISP is established.  The device supplies NAT (network address  translation, I think).  N I've got 2 AlphaStation 200 4/233 systems set up to use the link, as well as aK half dozen peecees.  The Alphas are not set up as workstations, and I'm not O using them with Netscape.  The windoz systems do this task.  What I can do with M them is TELNET and FTP to other VMS systems over the internet, and this works  quite well.   O There is a [TCPIP$GATED] directory (TCP/IP V5.0A) with a template file.  Make a < copy with the extension .CONF and customize it for your use.   #  # Static routes: # 	 #static { > #       192.168.1.103 mask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.99;% #       default gateway 192.168.1.99; 
 #       };  M The first 2 numbers are the VMS system, the second 2 are the gateway device.  G It's been a while, but I think in TCPIP$CONFIG you need to set up GATED E routing.  I believe it mentions setting up the TCPIP$GATED.CONF file.   6 > I am trying to follow the instructions in the TCP/IP> > Installation and Configuration manual, and the configuration9 > command procedure TCPIP$CONFIG.   However, I am getting ) > stuck on even the most basic questions.  > 9 > For instance, from the Configuration Planning Worksheet  > (Table 1-2, page 1-6): > $ > 1) That is the system's host name? > 5 >    OK, I guess I can pick just about any name here.  >    Yep   / > 2) What is the system's Internet domain name?  > 5 >    Should this be my ISP's domain name?   My ISP is 6 >    (now) Earthlink.com, but my PC is still set up as4 >    username@ix.Netcom.com (which was bought out by >    Earthlink). >   3 No, this would be your domain name, whatever it is.   / > 3) What are the system's addresses and masks?  > 5 >    What should I enter here?   They are dynamically 3 >    assigned by my ISP when I log in, aren't they? 7 >    Should I just pick a random address in their range 0 >    (I doubt it)?   Zeros?   Blank?   All ones? > 5 >    The same questions apply for the Subnet Mask and  >    Broadcase Address.  >   M Again, if using a gateway, then the system you're setting up should have it's $ own IP address, whatever you choose.  P If you do get the dial-out PPP to work, then I think it accepts the ISP assigned8 IP address.  As indicated above, I never got it to work.  8 > 4) I assume that I should answer "NO" to the questions5 >    about nonpriv Read access to TCPIP$Proxy.DAt and  >    using SNMP.   Correct?  >    correct    > 5) Type of routing.  > 6 >    Static or Dynamic?   If Dynamic, ROUTED or GATED? >   N For my set-up, it's static gated, I think.  I don't think this is required for the PPP client.   9 > 6) Enable the BIND resolver?   Name of the BIND server? 2 >    IP address of the BIND server?   Domain name?  M This is the DNS (domain name server).  I do not have one, and do not set this  up.   : > I tried running TCPIP$CONFIG, but got even more confused; > when it asked about gateways, etc.   In a case like this, ; > is my system the gateway, or is my ISP?   In either case,  > I don't know the IP address.  M If you have a gateway, then you do this stuff.  From my memory of trying with 6 the PPP client, I don't think you need to set this up.  7 > Can anyone point me at the information that will help 5 > me give the right answere to TCPIP$CONFIG that will & > let me use PPP to connect to my ISP?  H If you get this working, I for one would like details of how you did it.  J While I failed to get the PPP client working, and didn't try using the PPPO server, I now feel that I have a better solution.  If you dial directly (or any N other type of access) from one system, that is the only system able to use theL internet concurrently.  With the gateway I have attached to the network, anyO system I have, VMS, windoz, Unix (of which I have none), whatever, if set up to L use the gateway can concurrently use the device to get out to the internet. 6 This will be even better if I can ever get a DSL line.  / If you want more details, just rattle my chain.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:34:43 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale ' Message-ID: <39972283.DFA7F770@home.nl>   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > t > In article <muGk5.5550$pu4.398805@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > = > >"Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in message O > >news:CB874B506A79D1118FBC006097306B8906828CC6@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us.  > >...O > >> The Q may not be able to sell VMS AlphaServers, but it looks like they are = > >> able to sell Tru64 AlphaServers.  See the write-up below  > > F > >> $36M contract to build world's largest non-military supercomputer > > J > >> Based on Compaq's AlphaServer SC architecture, the supercomputer willM > >> consist of 682 quad-processor Compaq AlphaServer systems with a total of N > >> 2,728 processors. The system will deliver peak computing power of greaterH > >> than six trillion floating point operations per second (TeraFLOPS). > > O > >And then there's the 100 Marvel (GS320 followon) systems that the French AEC M > >is gonna lash together in 2001-2002 to do nuclear simulations, hydrocodes,  > >etc.  > I > Terry, aren't you afraid that the comic book publisher will piss on you ? > just as hard as the Wildfire folks for uttering "Marvel"?  ;)   A There is also a Matrox G400 version graphics card called "Marvel"      >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:27:35 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Bill vs. Carl< Message-ID: <rMBl5.25208$NH2.208927@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   > ; > There is a match and then there is a flame thrower , both + > put off heat.  But there are differences!   K Yep, and give the fire loading of this newsgroup, be glad we're not dealing  with fuel-air explosives.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:41:20 GMT ( From: cschofie@nospam.home.com (Chris S)= Subject: Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS system - Message-ID: <399a07c4.828320972@192.168.0.10>   D We have an almost entirely-NT environment at work, with just one oldD VMS system limping along.  We recently changed the company's defaultF gateway (tcp/ip settings) from x.x.x.247 to x.x.x.50.  I have made theC change to all the NT machines using the standard GUI interface, and  all is working well.    F however, I have not made the change to the VMS box, and I don't have aF clue how to do this.  Is there a command I can issue to 'see' what allC the current settings are, then a command to change only the default 
 gateway?     Thanks in advance!     Chris  =========== , Remove 'nospam' from email to reply - Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:06:43 -0400  From: mugsygogs@yahoo.com  Subject: Check this out...- Message-ID: <0FZ900K4NFBO72@mx.west.saic.com>    Hi,   * My name is George Wiggins, and I have been+ involved with the Internet since 1995. Like / many other people I know, I dreamed of creating , a business on the Internet that would make a- lot of money, and get me out of the rat race.   / In pursuit of this dream I have tried virtually , every kind of business that you can imagine,+ and have spent a fortune on these ventures, , but have not made a dime. I was beginning to- feel like "Amazon.com" which as I understand, . has raised hundred of millions of dollars, but has never made a profit.  1 I am not one who is looking for a "get rich quick - scheme," because I don't believe in that kind 0 of a thing. However, I have always believed that0 one could use the Internet to run a business and. make a decent profit. However I could not find- the right business or opportunity, until now.   . When I first looked at this opportunity, I was1 skeptical because I had had it up to my neck with , these kinds of plans. After deleting this=201 ad from my inbox several times, one day it caught , me when I was very open minded and I finally0 decided to give it a try. After all, all I could4 lose was $20, and it offered a money back guarantee.1 I finally jumped in January of this year, boy and 1 I am glad I did. I have cycled the business twice 2 and have made more than $103,410, and the money is2 still coming in, so you can see why I want to keep	 it going.   4 If you are involved with the Internet and seeking to1 make some extras or primary income, you must give 2 this opportunity a try. Here is the entire program as it was presented to me.=20   L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   2 Hi there! I'm going to show you a simple way to=204 make a decent sum of money by sending out emails.=202 As long as you are able to send out emails, you=202 can successfully participate in the program and=20 make yourself some extra money.   5 Seem impossible? It did to me I gotta tell ya, but=20 3 heck I thought I might as well give it a shot...=20 7 and I'm glad I did! Read on for details. Please read=20  and RE-READ it.   ) THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING 1 OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into 2 contact with people, do any hard work, and best of4 all, you never have to leave the house except to get	 the mail.   / Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams  will come true. It did for me!  , E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take. advantage of this non-commercialized method of0 advertising NOW!!! The longer you wait, the more4 people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action!!!n    < You may have heard this story before, but over the summer=209 Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman=20.> show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything=207 and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating,h9 Trump said he would find a good network marketing company : and get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him.  = He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response=20o7 "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sittingh out there!"   2 The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers.  - My name is Jonathon Rourke. Two years ago,=20++ the corporation I worked at for the past=20E. twelve years down-sized and my position was=201 eliminated. After unproductive job interviews,=20c. I decided to open my own business. Over the=20( past year, I incurred many unforeseen=20 financial problems.=20  / I owed my family, friends and creditors over=20r/ $35,000. The economy Was taking a toll on my=20r1 business and I just couldn't seem to make ends=20r1 meet .I had to refinance and borrow against my=20t+ home to support my family and struggling=20s1 business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant=20a0 happened in my life and I am writing to share=200 the experience in hopes that this will change=20  your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!!  / In mid December, I received this program via=20d. e-mail. Six month's Prior to receiving this=202 program I had been sending away for information=200 on various business opportunities. All of the=20/ programs I received, in my opinion, were not=20o1 cost effective. They were either too difficult=20 1 for me to comprehend or the initial investment=20t- was too much for me to risk to see if they=20n. would work or not. One claimed that I would=201 make a million dollars in one year...it didn't=20T, tell me I'd have to write a book to make it!  / But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I=20r/ received this program. I didn't send for it,=20s* or ask for it, they just got my name off a. mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After/ reading it several times, to make sure I was=20n1 reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes.r  # Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON.e  / I could invest as much as I wanted to start,=20r1 without putting me further into debt. After I got 1 a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would atE3 least get my money back. But like most of you I wasp3 still a little skeptical and a little worried aboutI3 the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out=20t1 with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs)04 And they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After=204 determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN=20 LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT."  5 Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about-5 $15 for my Time on-line. The great thing about e-mail 7 is that I don't need any money for printing to send out 7 the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled95 via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am tellingt5 you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I 5 promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone,=20d$ no matter how much money it cost me.    7 In less than one week, I was starting to receive orderst5 for REPORT #1.By January 13, I had received 26 ordersm6 for REPORT #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20=207 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND,; OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making=20h: $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received8 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT=20: LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT,=206 SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 1003 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOURe7 $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2,=20d1 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed."  9 By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000  with more coming in every day.    9 I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car.h9 Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL=20p6 CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if4 you don't try it. This program does work, but you=203 must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not 5 trying to place your name in a different place. It=20e4 won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In=207 order for this program to work, you must meet your goaly0 of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for7 REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days.a" I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!!  1 If you choose not to participate in this program,c4 I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with=20, little cost or risk to you. If you choose to2 participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security.e  7 If you are a fellow business owner and are in financiala4 trouble like I was, or you want to start your own=20& business, consider this a sign. I DID!  
 Sincerely,   Jonathon Rourkei  4 A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:  5 By the time you have read the enclosed program and=20a7 reports, you should have concluded that such a program, 8 and one that is legal, could not have been created by=20 an amateur.n  9 Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable 5 Business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business beganu2 falling off. I was doing the same things that were4 previously successful for me, but it wasn't working.6 Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the=208 economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable6 economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have8 to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...=204 because many of you know from first hand experience.6 There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever=20 before.i  3 The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew whats- they were doing invested wisely and moved up.e, Those who did not, including those who never0 had anything to save or invest, were moving down/ into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes,a. "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER.", The traditional methods of making money will+ never allow you to "move up" or "get rich",t inflation will see to that.r  0 You have just received information that can give0 you financial freedom for the rest of your life,1 with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT,"e2 and you can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined.  - I should also point out that I will not see aa, penny of this money, nor anyone else who has* provided a testimonial for this program. I) have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS!'- I have retired from the program after sendingy7 out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices=20a. that make this and several other programs here and over seas.  0 Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not/ change it in any way. It works exceedingly welly* as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of2 this exciting report to everyone you can think of./ One of the people you send this to may send outy- 50,000...and your name will be on everyone of.) them! Remember, the more you send out ther( more potential customers you will reach.  ) So my friend, I have given you the ideas,k0 information, materials and opportunity to become- financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!G  L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D- HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOUe THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$  
 INSTRUCTIONS:   0 This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100%. EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to$ $50,000 or more in the next 90 days.   This is what you MUST do:y  3 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (youn) can't sell them if you don't order them).b  , * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME- & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR . E-MAIL AND ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS. (in case of a problem) and to the person whose, name appears on the list next to the report.  1 MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE  IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS!   0 * When you place your order, make sure you order0 each of the four reports. You will need all four2 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them.  1 * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail,M4 each of the four reports. Save them on your computer0 so they will be accessible for you to send to=203 the 1,000's of people who will order them from you..  3 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the peoplek/ who are listed next to each report, or their=20i- sequence on the list,in any way other than isa0 instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you. will lose out on the majority of your profits.. Once you understand the way this works, you'll. also see how it doesn't work if you change it.1 Remember, this method has been tested, and if youo alter it, it will not work.d  3 a. Look below for the listing of available reports.   3 b. After you've ordered the four reports, take thise3 Advertisement and remove the name and address under 4 REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle' and is no doubt counting their $50,000!   5 Save this advertisment as a text file as email.txt=20 1 so that you Can edit it with your word processor. + Using your word processor do the following:y  4 c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to
 REPORT #4.  4 d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to
 REPORT #3.  4 e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to
 REPORT #2.  6 f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.  0 Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY!   2 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified1 list of names, and save it to your computer. Makei5 NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. 4 Now you can use this modified letter to send to your0 potential customers. Included in report #1 is=20/ instructions that makes finding an Opt-in emails. list and sending to that list if easy. We have1 solved all problems, all you need to do is followe4 instructions and go to your bank with your earnings.    / Your cost to participate in this is practicallya2 nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously7 already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE!D  1 To assist you with marketing your business on thec1 internet, the 4 reports you purchase will provide / you with invaluable marketing information which,0 includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find5 thousands of free classified ads and much, much more..    + There are two primary methods of marketing.-  ) METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL (NOT SPAM)u  1 Let's say that you decide to start small, just to 3 see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those21 involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let'sX6 also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response.4 Using a good list the response could be much better.5 Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousandsa4 of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with=206 this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a4 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1.5 Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programsl. each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%,6 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail/ out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. 8 The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3.8 Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,0005 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders fors REPORT  6 #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total6 income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!   2 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE3 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHINGn2 AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT/ WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUTh. 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me,4 many people will do just that, and more! By the way,/ your cost to participate in this is practicallyv/ nothing. You obviously already have an internetc0 connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will- show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing,u2 tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software! and where to obtain e-mail lists.j  , METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET  5 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive,m3 and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. / Let's say you decide to start small just to seed5 how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 * people to participate on your first level.6 (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY1 get a larger response.) Also assume that everyonei1 else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 customers.   5 Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results. below.  . 1st level-your 10 members with $5 .........$504 2nd level-10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)...$5007 3rd level-10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000t8 4th level-10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) $50,000. THIS TOTALS ---------------------------$55,550  2 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who4 Participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a1 moment what would happen if they got 20 people ton6 participate! Most people get 100's of participants!=20 THINK ABOUT IT!n  , For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do. is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S5 IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!=20-2 This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out,0 with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt/ because they can't advertise until they receivem the report!   * ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTSe* ------------------------------------------  , *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME ***   Notes:  . - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED- - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAILi- - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrappings" it in at least two sheets of paper+ - On one of those sheets of paper, include: + (a) the number & name of the report you are 1 ordering,(b) your e-mail address, and (c) your=20a name & postal address.  ' PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:c6 ______________________________________________________  ) REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Sending  Bulk E-mail on the Internet"   ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:    Faith Goguen   80 Central Avenue    New Bedford, MA 02745e6 ______________________________________________________  - REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising  for Free on the Internet"    ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:e   HeartTVt   7095 Hollywood Blvd. #783r   Hollywood, CA. 900286 ______________________________________________________  # REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Marketingc on the Internet"   ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:b   Kuzi   8232 N.McDonald AVEd   Fresno, CA 937206 ______________________________________________________  0 REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of the Internet"   ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:t  
 Mrs. Banks   13709 Gullivers Traill   Bowie, MD 20720e6 ______________________________________________________  / About 50,000 new people get online every month!n    ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******  7 * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional,D% and follow the directions accurately.=  3 * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will 2 have them when the orders start coming in because:  2 When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report.   / * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERSe YOU RECEIVE.  . * Be patient and persistent with this program., If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL!   0 * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU
 WILL SUCCEED!R  ' ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******N  2 Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:  3 If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 withins2 two weeks, Continue advertising or sending e-mails/ until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later youo0 should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2.- If you don't, continue advertising or sendinga e-mails until you do.o  - Once you have received 100 or more orders fore/ REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system isb3 already working for you, and the cash will continue! to roll in!a   THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:  / Every time your name is moved down on the list,c. you are placed in Front of a DIFFERENT report./ You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching 0 which report people are ordering from you. If=20. you want to generate more income, send another, batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and  3 start the whole process again! There is no limit tod0 the income you will generate from this business!  + Before you make your decision as to whether . or not you participate in this program. Please/ answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOURy. LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the# following facts about this program:t  + 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOTa COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE!r  + 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT  COST ANYTHING TO SHIP!  + 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT  COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE!m  . 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET' TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE  WORLD!  % 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOURr$ INITIAL $20 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME!  + 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATEt! FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT!E  . 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER.  5 ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROADt TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!o   NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN   ' DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTSa  7 PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business,a7 registering a business name, learning how income tax isb5 handled, etc., contact your local office of the Smalle> Business Administration (a Federal agency) 1-(800)827-5722 forA free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue=202/ Service offers free help via telephone and freen> seminars about business tax requirements. Your earnings and=203 results are highly dependant on your activities ande@ advertising. This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor=20< implied. In the event that it is determined that this letterC constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void.=20O6 Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this$ letter may be factual or fictitious.  7 If you have any question of the legality of this letter 6 Contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing5 Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer  Protection in Washington DC.   ***GUARANTEE***u  7 If, after 90 days you do not make at least $50,000 fromp: This venture, send an email to: 90krefund@usa.net and your  $20 investment will be refunded.                            9 _________________________________________________________t   Do You Yahoo!?  9 Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.comH   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:34:21 -0400.* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, Subject: Re: Ken Olson's "snake oil" comment- Message-ID: <3996DC1D.A0414391@tsoft-inc.com>    hg/jb wrote:I > My own view of this goes back to the late 70s. 76-79 specifically, whenm > soH > many of the layed off honeywell folks and retiring AirFarce folks wereH > brought in.  There was a difference in culture - a serious change fromH > responding to customer needs with real solutions to strategic planningJ > driven approaches.  Kind of like McNamara's dictating break throughs for; > common aircraft (F-111).  I lived thru all that and left.T  ' This is a real interesting observation.P  M Robert McNamara really screwed up many things.  First at Ford he overroad theBO 'car' people who really knew how to build cars, giving us the 1960 Ford Falcon,AK a truly bland little box.  It took many years to 'fix' this trend, and onlyRN after the Japanese had a firm grip on a significant part of the US market.  ToO some extent the automobile manufacturers avoided DECs fate.  True to the 'peterrJ principal', when someone truly screws up, he gets promoted to allow biggerM screw-ups.  I'm still a bit surprised the dept of defense ever survived him. A3 Says a bit about the staying power of bureacracies.e  L I had always knew that there was a shift in about 1980, give or take severalN years, where DEC stopped listening to the customers, and began in many ways toN tell the customer what was best for them.  As with many things of this nature,O it took years for the effects to begin to affect sales and profits, and by thatIO time the damage was already done, and stopping the trend away from DEC products K wasn't an easy task.  As things became worse, bad enough that they could nonI longer be ignored, the solution was Bob Palmer.  Before BP, DEC was goingiK downhill, but at least there was an effort to apply some brakes.  BP on the0< other hand forgot the brakes and stomped on the accelerator.  C Anybody want to do a study of how to kill off a promissing company?    Dave   -- f4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:46:15 +0200lB From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk>4 Subject: Need a good hint to solve PathWorks problem. Message-ID: <3996FB07.A3D2EB49@mail.danbbs.dk>   Before:s   VMS 7.1r UCX 4.2n0 PW 6.0 with both DECnet and TCP/IP as transports PC access over DECnet worksr PC access over TCP/IP worksu   now:  	 VMS 7.2-1  UCX 5.0A1 PW 6.0B with both DECnet and TCP/IP as transportsm PC access over DECnet worksd5 PC access over TCP/IP does not work <================c   details:  4 VMS not upgraded but initial installed on a new disk same domain as beforey PC not reinstalled telnet works fine. PWIPACP is started" no error messages in the log-files the PC can not "see" the servers  9 Maybe it is too long since I have done serious PathWorks,s but I do not have a clue.h  - Can anyone give me a hint to what the problemg can be or where I can look ?   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2000 22:06:09 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)8 Subject: Re: Need a good hint to solve PathWorks problem* Message-ID: <3996ffb1$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  s In article <3996FB07.A3D2EB49@mail.danbbs.dk>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> writes:" >Before: >L >VMS 7.1 >UCX 4.21 >PW 6.0 with both DECnet and TCP/IP as transportst >PC access over DECnet works >PC access over TCP/IP works >t >now:  > 
 >VMS 7.2-1	 >UCX 5.0Ao2 >PW 6.0B with both DECnet and TCP/IP as transports >PC access over DECnet works6 >PC access over TCP/IP does not work <================ > 	 >details:e >e5 >VMS not upgraded but initial installed on a new diskf >same domain as before >PC not reinstalledo >telnet works fine >PWIPACP is startedp# >no error messages in the log-files   >the PC can not "see" the server >i: >Maybe it is too long since I have done serious PathWorks, >but I do not have a clue. >u. >Can anyone give me a hint to what the problem >can be or where I can look ?y  > Start with PATHWORKS V6.0C ECO1 (as V6.0B is seriously broken)M Then check the LANMAN.INI again (refer to the doc and add all missing params)v Check all PWRK Logsn$ Try adding DEBUG = YES to LANMAN.INI   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888D< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:24:04 GMTl+ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com.nospam>' Subject: Re: OpenVMSware0 Message-ID: <3996E818.D5556B2D@wi.rr.com.nospam>   Joseph:   D I've never seen a web page where you could buy trinkets with the VMSG logo on it.  However,  I will sell you my black t-shirt from when CiscoaI bought TGV.  It has the TGV logo (cheetah) on the front and "Assimilation 	 Complete"ED with the Cisco logo on the back.  Very cool to wear at gatherings of DECcies.  F For an unreasonable fee, I will also part with my Digital (not Compaq)# Storageworks leather letter jacket.tI I could tell you how I got the jacket but then I'd have to kill you.  ;^)   E I'll part with the t-shirt for $100.  For the jacket, we'll start thee bidding at $1000.e	 Ha ha ha!h   -Scott Vieth  :^)h   Joseph Gill wrote:  J > Does anyone know if Compaq has an OpenVMSware web site where you can buyD > cool OpenVMS shirts, hats, mugs, etc simular to Sun's Sunware site  > (http://www.sun.com/sunware/)?   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2000 17:36:11 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o Subject: Re: OpenVMSware+ Message-ID: <57gls5N0ex$H@eisner.decus.org>e  d In article <p4wl5.99934$A%3.1321059@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>, "Joseph Gill" <gilljb@home.com> writes:J > Does anyone know if Compaq has an OpenVMSware web site where you can buyD > cool OpenVMS shirts, hats, mugs, etc simular to Sun's Sunware site  > (http://www.sun.com/sunware/)?  > If they knew how to do that, then they would know how to offer, hardware and software for sale over the web.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:53:27 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>/ Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwised- Message-ID: <3996E097.2E5F1E3F@tsoft-inc.com>M   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Jonathan Stone wrote:. > >.% > > [snip]  Most atmospheric chlorine  > > compounds, > ( > The operative keyword there is "most". > I > > [snip] So. In order for a Cl compund to create stratospheric chlorine F > > radicals, it has to be inert enough to get through the troposphere? > > without being broken down (eventually into HCl) then rainedt= > > out. Effective bleaches and disinfectants are, naturally,0 > > fairly reactive.   So far we're talking chemistry.a  J > Does this guarantee 100% assimilation? I doubt it very seriously; and asH > the studies have shown, all it takes is a little chlorine to destroy a > *LOT* of ozone.i > E > We can see what's happening due to the "stuff" dump into the lakes,oG > rivers, streams, and the oceans. Even the "stuff" we dump on the landsH > finds its way into the water ways and aquifers. Why would anyone thinkI > the atmosphere is more capable of handling our garbage when neither thel) > land nor the water are left uneffected?d > ? > We can't keep dumping chemicals into our environment and thenrI > rationalize away the effects, the entirety of which may never be known.   ! And now we're talking philosophy.o  L While I do not disagree with the principals of protecting the ecology of theO planet, I do disagree with extremism.  Just where do you think all this 'stuff'cK is coming from?  Just appearing out of thin air?  From a practical point of  view, we're in a closed system.u  M Chlorine is, as stated before, a very reactive element, and will combine witheP something rather quickly.  It isn't a significant part of the ozone problem.  ByN expanding the concept of protection of the ozone layer to include all chlorineN (a fairly common part of the make-up of the planet) you lose all credibility. O The chlorine has always been here, during the formation of the ozone layer, andrN it's only the compounds we've created that can make it to a point where damage can be done.  L Avoiding extremism will help significantly in you discussions with your good friend Bill.   Dave   -- y4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:35:17 -0500A7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>m/ Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwiseh- Message-ID: <39970685.F5E6BA05@earthlink.net>c   David A Froble wrote:v [snip] > # > And now we're talking philosophy.e > N > While I do not disagree with the principals of protecting the ecology of the( > planet, I do disagree with extremism.   ? If the subject were Plutonium instead of Chlorine, you may feelR differently.  * > Just where do you think all this 'stuff'M > is coming from?  Just appearing out of thin air?  From a practical point of'! > view, we're in a closed system.t  F Exactly my point, no? Where is it (chlorine) coming from? Us! Where is. it going? As you said, it's a "closed system".  oO > Chlorine is, as stated before, a very reactive element, and will combine witheO > something rather quickly.  It isn't a significant part of the ozone problem. l  = But can you GUARANTEE that? Do not the same forces that raise E heavier-than-air CHFC's into the upper atmosphere pick up and deliver1B ALL man-made gases into the various levels of the atmosphere? What@ happens to them from there? ...and does this guarantee the totalD destruction of all substances harmful to the various elements of the( environment? Can ANYone guarantee that?   F ...and even if it does today, at what concentration of pollutants does$ this protection begin to break down?   > ByP > expanding the concept of protection of the ozone layer to include all chlorineO > (a fairly common part of the make-up of the planet) you lose all credibility.-  H Not sure I'd go that far, though it does seem to be the consensus of the respondents.  Q > The chlorine has always been here, during the formation of the ozone layer, andeP > it's only the compounds we've created that can make it to a point where damage > can be done.   Again, this is my point, no?  H Only an industrialized world has contributed so much to the problem, andC only changes to that world can have an effect on that trend, eitherS) positive or negative. The choice is ours.a  sN > Avoiding extremism will help significantly in you discussions with your good > friend Bill.  > Only Bill can help Bill. As long as his mission is to let timeA "evaporate" trying correct those he deems ill-informed, Bill wills continue to be Bill.  R) As Starbuck said, "Let Ahab beware Ahab!"_  F Nonetheless, I do appreciate your concern. Thank you for caring enoughG to post. Please do not begrudge me these points on which we may seem to 	 disagree.n   -- C David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems4 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:50:27 -0500 (EST)8* From: Pedro Viena <contracer2@hotmail.com>  Subject: Running Defrag (DFO)...5 Message-ID: <F234XgIBGjybFU1nS2d0000244e@hotmail.com>t   Hi VMS experts:O  ?     I=B4d like to know if DFO is 100% trust. Can I use DFO with_  7     users using the system ? Devices are RAID member 5.O  0     Can I user DFO in a Sybase database server ?         Thank you in advance !F _____________________________________________________________________= ____F Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.= coml   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2000 14:21:29 -0500B From: ciswired@sherrill.kiva.net (Cornerstone Information Systems)& Subject: Re: Simple RT-11/TSX question, Message-ID: <8n6sfp$5nc$1@sherrill.kiva.net>  J In article <8n6m83$k8p$1@news.IAEhv.nl>, Hans Vlems <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote:= >Looking at the other responses, I'd say that the best way toP >go to BSD is thru ULTRIX-11.O8 >The problem with that idea is that you've got to dig up >9 track magtapes somewhere.  G That's indeed the problem.  My only removable peripheral on the machineHD is a 800/1600 BPI magtape.  If I can find someone willing to send meC either ULTRIX-11* OR 2.11BSD on 9-track magtape then I'm home free.    Any takers out there?r   Thanks,r   greg  F *Assuming ULTRIX-11 supports an 11/83 with TM-11 controller and Emulex? UDO-83 (I think that's the model) MSCP drisk controller driving  a couple CDC SMD disks.R   Gregory Travis' greg@littlebear.com / greg@ciswired.coml 812-824-7333   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2000 20:03:22 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: Using telnet/pppd on VMSu( Message-ID: <3996e2ea@news.kapsch.co.at>  P In article <3988652C.942@ups.edu>, "Jack B. Nimble" <vmsmanager@ups.edu> writes:8 >I have a DPW433au at home running VMS7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A.F >I fire up PPPD, dial out to a terminal server at work, log in with my. >username and password and then switch to PPP. >fH >After I exit PPPD I use the TCPIP command to show PP0 and an ip address >has been assigned.h >nB >However, when I try to telnet to a system at work through the PPPC >circuit it just hangs. Each ctrl/t just shows an increase of 1 i/oeE >request so I suspect it is trying to telnet through ewa0 rather that  >pp0.  >a* >Any help or suggestions would be welcome.  ( What does your routing table look like ? Do you have a GATED running ?P   -- r< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888O< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2000 19:58:09 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best* Message-ID: <3996e1b1$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Y In article <8m9i9v$vp1$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>, "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> writes:eC >As far as I know, the only problem with V1.2 is that it is not Y2Ka >certified.h  I This is/was the case with V1.2A. Then came V1.2C which came only for Y2K.eK So, one can stick with V1.2C, if he likes (and boy, I hate to extract filessD with V2.2 and then to get files with only one character per line !!)   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:49:29 -0500c7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>c  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS- Message-ID: <3996EDB9.E43A2B36@earthlink.net>t   Bill Todd wrote: [Near total snippage]    Well! I guess you told me!  > > Try to surprise me by actually learning something this time.   Oh, but I have!_  H I've learned that we can learn any and everything from you, but there isD nothing you can (are willing to) learn from us. After all, we're notE "respected experts" or "competent authorities" like you and those whob have your ear or respect.u  ? ...and you needn't bother yourself replying to anymore of these0H postings, lest you let "another half hour evaporate" trying save us, the7 unwashed and unworthy from our worst enemy - ourselves!   H But, I've also learned that your "20%" (look THAT one up, Mr. Research!) is to have the last word.   6 So go ahead - have at it! I'm done with THIS bulls--t!   -- w David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.452 ************************