1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 453       Contents:! AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support % Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support % Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support % Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support % Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support % Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support ' Re: CETS2000 - Online Registration Help # CETS2000 - Online Registration Help 8 Re: Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS system8 Re: Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS system* Re: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces?* RE: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces?* Re: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces? Re: crmpsc migration question  crmpsc migration question $ Re: DECnet Plus copying time problem; Re: F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","LOG_SPECIFICATION",,"THIS_JOB")  From VMS to NT. I need Lynx 2.8.3 exe file for AXP OpenVMS 7.1 Re: Mass adding of users?  Mass adding of users?  RE: Mass adding of users? - Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus) / Re: Need a good hint to solve PathWorks problem / Re: Need a good hint to solve PathWorks problem " RE: OpenVMS on Digital Server 5300 OpenVMS TCP ports list Re: OpenVMS TCP ports list Re: OpenVMSware & Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise& Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise& Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise& Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise& Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise" Q: source listings vs. source code& Re: Q: source listings vs. source code& Re: Q: source listings vs. source code& Re: Q: source listings vs. source code& Re: Q: source listings vs. source code& Re: Q: source listings vs. source code REMOVE Re: Running Defrag (DFO)...  Re: Running Defrag (DFO)...  Re: STOP/ID  Re: STOP/ID  Re: STOP/ID ' Supersleuth Tells All, Make 10K A Month ' Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1)  Re: Using telnet/pppd on VMS Re: Using telnet/pppd on VMS Re: VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMS Re: VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMS Re: VMS hobbyist version$ Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)$ Whilst on the subject of listings...( Re: Whilst on the subject of listings...  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:46:18 +0400 4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>* Subject: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support/ Message-ID: <3997A3CA.7C0D2A6@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>    Hi !U 	I looking for any information about of supporting by OVMS 7.1-1h1 mixing of CPU, for  example EV5/EV5.6/EV6.   	TIA.  --   Cheers, F +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker........................................+E  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222 E  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222 E                                               Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1035 G +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/ .......... SysMan rides HailStorm +
    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:02:49 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER). Subject: Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support* Message-ID: <3997d1d9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  f In article <3997A3CA.7C0D2A6@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> writes:V >	I looking for any information about of supporting by OVMS 7.1-1h1 mixing of CPU, for >example EV5/EV5.6/EV6.   A AFAIK, EV6 is not supported by 7.1-1h1. You need at least V7.1-2.    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 11:44:27 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) . Subject: Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support+ Message-ID: <wvy6qm$1MNya@eisner.decus.org>   f In article <3997A3CA.7C0D2A6@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> writes:W > 	I looking for any information about of supporting by OVMS 7.1-1h1 mixing of CPU, for  > example EV5/EV5.6/EV6.  J No VAX or ALPHA SMP CPU short of WildFire (if ours ever ships...) supportsJ multiple CPUs that are not identical right down to EV, speed, and firmware	 revision.    	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 10:07:22 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support+ Message-ID: <$EuYFxTyAqW9@eisner.decus.org>   f In article <3997A3CA.7C0D2A6@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> writes:  D > 	I looking for any information about of supporting by OVMS 7.1-1h1+ > mixing of CPU, for example EV5/EV5.6/EV6.   E DEQ folk have indicated there is no ability to do this in any current E version of VMS.  At least one problem that would have to be addressed F is the issue of how the VMS Executive could achieve spinlock fairness.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:29:56 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> . Subject: Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs support2 Message-ID: <39981E4E.DDD0974F@clarityconnect.com>  H Not completely true Bob.  The patch kit ALPCPU0C04_071 allowed EV5 & EV6  cpus in the TurboLaser platform.   Bob Kaplow wrote:  > h > In article <3997A3CA.7C0D2A6@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> writes:^ > >       I looking for any information about of supporting by OVMS 7.1-1h1 mixing of CPU, for > > example EV5/EV5.6/EV6. > L > No VAX or ALPHA SMP CPU short of WildFire (if ours ever ships...) supportsL > multiple CPUs that are not identical right down to EV, speed, and firmware > revision.  >  >         Bob Kaplow > N > SPAM:   spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com  uce@ftc.gov     postmaster@127.0.0.1   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 15:50:33 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> . Subject: Re: AS 4000/4100 & Mixed CPUs supportH Message-ID: <y4sns854uu.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   F > > 	I looking for any information about of supporting by OVMS 7.1-1h1- > > mixing of CPU, for example EV5/EV5.6/EV6. G > DEQ folk have indicated there is no ability to do this in any current G > version of VMS.  At least one problem that would have to be addressed H > is the issue of how the VMS Executive could achieve spinlock fairness.  H Well, I don't think you'd need absolute fairness, merely non-starvation,D and I would expect the current design to handle that. You woldn't beJ trying to run a 21064-166 and a 21264A-1083 in the same system, would you?  L I have argued that running mixed systems at least in the lab would be a helpG to find race conditions and other similar niceties, but a prominent VMS F engineer has said "thanks but no thanks", the main reason being, as I H understood it, that the usual regression testing is enough of a headacheG that banging their head against the wall in addition was above the call 7 of duty. And that from a guy named "small worry" 8-)...    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:42:20 -0400 7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> 0 Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Online Registration Help2 Message-ID: <8n90j3$9fq$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>  J If you have trouble with www.CETS2000.com you should report it but you can5 also try jumping directly to the registration page...   6 https:/www.travelhq.com/register/cets2000/register.htm       --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc E ===================================================================== B "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote in message, news:8n7m7p$ai4$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net... > August 14, 2000  >  > Dear Fellow DECUS Member:  > < > Some individuals are reporting problems when attempting to< > use the brand new CETS2000 online registration system.  If; > this happens to you we would appreciate your patience and 7 > please call 1-800-236-7957 in the USA or 636-827-5961 ; > anywhere else.  The registration program office should be 9 > able to help during normal business hours (Central Time  > USA).  > < > If you still can't resolve the problem after first calling: > the number above please call 1-800-DECUS55 during normal$ > business hours (Eastern Time USA). > 9 > For questions about CETS-2000 visit www.CETS2000.com or ( > send email to Information@CETS2000.com >  >  > : > Kristi Browder U.S. DECUS Executive Sponsor for CETS2000 > Kristi.Browder@CETS2000.com  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:40:45 -0400 7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> , Subject: CETS2000 - Online Registration Help2 Message-ID: <8n7m7p$ai4$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>   August 14, 2000    Dear Fellow DECUS Member:   : Some individuals are reporting problems when attempting to: use the brand new CETS2000 online registration system.  If9 this happens to you we would appreciate your patience and 5 please call 1-800-236-7957 in the USA or 636-827-5961 9 anywhere else.  The registration program office should be 7 able to help during normal business hours (Central Time  USA).   : If you still can't resolve the problem after first calling8 the number above please call 1-800-DECUS55 during normal" business hours (Eastern Time USA).  7 For questions about CETS-2000 visit www.CETS2000.com or & send email to Information@CETS2000.com      8 Kristi Browder U.S. DECUS Executive Sponsor for CETS2000 Kristi.Browder@CETS2000.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:41 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> A Subject: Re: Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS system ) Message-ID: <3997B8BD.39DF026C@gtech.com>    Chris S wrote:F > We have an almost entirely-NT environment at work, with just one oldF > VMS system limping along.  We recently changed the company's defaultH > gateway (tcp/ip settings) from x.x.x.247 to x.x.x.50.  I have made theE > change to all the NT machines using the standard GUI interface, and  > all is working well. > H > however, I have not made the change to the VMS box, and I don't have aH > clue how to do this.  Is there a command I can issue to 'see' what allE > the current settings are, then a command to change only the default 
 > gateway?  1 Assuming you are using UCX (=Digital TCP/IP) try:    $ UCX  UCX> SHOW ROUTE /PERMANENT UCX> HELP SET ROUTE  ... 3 UCX> SET ROUTE /DEFAULT /GATEWAY=x.x.x.x /PERMANENT 	 UCX> EXIT    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Aug 2000 01:09:28 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) A Subject: Re: Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS system ' Message-ID: <8n7gs8$a5f$1@joe.rice.edu>   ) Chris S (cschofie@nospam.home.com) wrote: F : We have an almost entirely-NT environment at work, with just one oldF : VMS system limping along.  We recently changed the company's defaultH : gateway (tcp/ip settings) from x.x.x.247 to x.x.x.50.  I have made theE : change to all the NT machines using the standard GUI interface, and  : all is working well.   : H : however, I have not made the change to the VMS box, and I don't have aH : clue how to do this.  Is there a command I can issue to 'see' what allE : the current settings are, then a command to change only the default  : gateway?    G There are at least three TCP/IP stacks that could be running on the VMS H system. Try the following commands and post back which stack is running,, along with the version of the stack and VMS:  ;   $ UCX SHOW VERSION      ! UCX aka Digital TCP/IP Services   7   $ MULTINET SHOW/VERSION ! Process Software's Multinet   6   $ NETCU SHOW VERSION    ! Process Software's TCPWare  8 If it's UCX, the command to show the current gateway is:     $ UCX SHOW ROUTE /PERMANENT   # To set the default gateway for UCX:   3   $ SET ROUTE /DEFAULT /GATEWAY=x.x.x.50 /PERMANENT   4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:05:16 GMT % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> 3 Subject: Re: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces? ) Message-ID: <8n8cob$hpv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   , In article <8n4goa$gel@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,&   mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote: > At:  > H >   http://www.openvms.digital.com/solutions/publicsector/coe/index.html > E > there is a Powerpoint presentation and a FAQ concerning the DII COE G > initiative.  After reading through the whole thing either I missed it  orF > there was no no explicit mention of either soft links or shells (sh, csh,C > tcsh, bash, etc.) being provided under DII COE.  Can somebody who  actually > knows clarify this situation?  >   F I just read it myself and soft links are specifically mentioned (slide 17) E Also support for "Posix commands and utilities" is stated on a couple 
 of slides.   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:13:43 -0400 ) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> 3 Subject: RE: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces? B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61C4@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----% > From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ( > [mailto:mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu]) > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 5:49 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 > Subject: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces?  >  >  > At:  > H >   http://www.openvms.digital.com/solutions/publicsector/coe/index.html > E > there is a Powerpoint presentation and a FAQ concerning the DII COE > > initiative.  After reading through the whole thing either I  > missed it or; > there was no no explicit mention of either soft links or   > shells (sh, csh,@ > tcsh, bash, etc.) being provided under DII COE.  Can somebody  > who actually  > knows clarify this situation?  > H In http://www.openvms.digital.com/solutions/publicsector/coe/ddi_coe.htm6 the "Modifications to OpenVMS" slide shows "Softlinks . & RMS" as being one of the "OpenVMS Changes".     No mention of unix shells, tho'.       Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Aug 2000 15:25:25 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)3 Subject: Re: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces? , Message-ID: <8n9315$7g8@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Q In article <8n8cob$hpv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:  > G >I just read it myself and soft links are specifically mentioned (slide  >17)  K I see it now.  Those dinky slides that come up through that particular HTML I interface to Powerpoint areawfully difficult to read on my DS10. I prefer K the full screen variants that the OpenVMS site has used in other instances. B I just discovered that if you click on the right little envelope (L containing a minute down arrow) below the table of contents it will expands I the TOC into an outline.  It seems to contain most (all?) of the text in  I some of the slides, but none from others.  Anyway, once things have been  E expanded the features list can be read easily, and Netscape find will E locate "soft" in "soft links", but it won't locate "shell", "csh", or  "bash".   F >Also support for "Posix commands and utilities" is stated on a couple >of slides.   J Yes, but that's incredibly vague.  Conceivably that would be satisfied by K the bits that are currently in GNV, which is certainly a step in the right  L direction, but is a long way from a fully Unix compatible build environment.H (Notably, configure never runs to completion in there in my experience!)   Thanks,    David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:19:34 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>V& Subject: Re: crmpsc migration question) Message-ID: <3997B9A5.377ED55A@gtech.com>C   Peter Huish wrote:I > I'm porting an application from VAX to Alpha and have received an error D > of INVARG from a call to sys$crmpsc.  Why is that status returned? > K > There are some words on aligment in the manual but I cannot make out whatH > they mean.  H If you are mapping something, then on VMS VAX it has to start and end on@ 512 byte boundaries, but on VMS Alpha it has to start and end on 8192 byte boundaries.I   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:35:52 -0700t4 From: Peter Huish <huishnospam@nospamozemail.com.au>" Subject: crmpsc migration question< Message-ID: <MPG.14023e549901a41e989682@news.ozemail.com.au>  H I'm porting an application from VAX to Alpha and have received an error B of INVARG from a call to sys$crmpsc.  Why is that status returned?  J There are some words on aligment in the manual but I cannot make out what 
 they mean.     thanks,t   pete   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:53:41 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>M- Subject: Re: DECnet Plus copying time probleme+ Message-ID: <39982415.C7B3ADDC@hsc.vcu.edu>O  C hey thanks for the clarification... i'd forgotten that from my msceb
 course...    Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > I > No, FTP uses TCP and thus has end-to-end error checking. The DECnet FALvO > protocol, which is what gets used for DECnet fil transfers, does have another.O > layer of error checking on top of TCP's equivalent, but it would be incorrects. > to say that FTP "leaves it to the hardware". > L > As for the original problem, there are a lot of things that can cause thisI > kind of behaviour. One would need detailed information on the types andeM > versions of all vontributing hard- and software to form useable hypotheses.  > 
 >         Jan    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 09:40:10 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.orguD Subject: Re: F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","LOG_SPECIFICATION",,"THIS_JOB")+ Message-ID: <07ts1HmPqO0D@eisner.decus.org>-  u In article <CRKi5.11083$f_5.58160@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com>, DCantor@remove.three.words.shore.net (Dave Cantor) writes:. > In article <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDEBC@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> wrote:@ >>    I want to mail the log file to a user if the a job fails. ? >> I can't seem to get the lexical to work. Below is a snippet  9 >> from the log. I know it has to be something simple :) .  F Back from vacation and replying to a reply.  The following code shouldE do what you need done.  I prefer it greatly to any F$GETQUI approach.   & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org  @ ; PPF translate specified PPF logical name to file specification< ; This is based on code posted on comp.os.vms by John Briggs? ; on 19 Nov 1996, message-id <1996Nov19.110550@alpha.vitro.com>2< ; Modified by Jon Pinkley to accept a logical name so we can3 ; get the actual file name of a file opened by DCL.d: ; This also sets three local symbols, instead of only one. ;t: ; First delete local symbols PHY_FILE_NAME, ORG_FILE_NAME,: ; and FID_FILE_NAME.   These will be recreated when we can ; successfully determine them. ;e ; PHY_FILE_NAME 9 ;   This is the unconcealed name of the file at the time  5 ;   it was opened.  If it has been renamed, this will  ;   not be correct.1 ;6$ ;   PHY_FILE_NAME is set as follows:: ;   If it's a PPF, then do a $DISPLAY with nop=<noconceal>' ;     and save the resulting file name.A9 ;     If it is a record oriented device, (you can't trust 8 ;     fab$l_dev for this, you must ask $getdvi), instead5 ;     of using the rsa returned by $display, use the o ;     nam$t_dvi value.3 ;     (this is the name it had when it was opened.)a5 ;     if the device is a terminal, then save only thee6 ;     device name.  Set FILE_NAME to the saved string.; ;   If it's not a PPF, exit with warning status CLI$_UNDFILg2 ;   This is after all, meant to be used with PPF's ;R ; ORG_FILE_NAME 7 ;   This is the concealed name of the file at the time i5 ;   it was opened.  If it has been renamed, this willf ;   not be correct.  ;/$ ;   ORG_FILE_NAME is set as follows:% ;   If it's a record oriented device .$ ;     set ORG_FILE_NAME to nam$l_dev ;   otherwise 0 ;     do another $DISPLAY, this time displaying ! ;     the concealed name, and seto/ ;     ORG_FILE_NAME to the concealed file name.  ;-" ; FID_FILE_NAME is set as follows: ;   If nam$l_fid is non zero? ;     determine the current file name by using lib$fid_to_name.c< ;     Set FID_FILE_NAME to this value.  Note that this file C ;     name will be correct if the file was renamed using the RENAMEl9 ;     command (but not necessarily if the FID is entered : ;     multiple times). ;f  ; Usage: $ ppf :== $some_dir:ppf ;        $ ppf [logical_name]r ;a? ;        if no logical is specified, then sys$output is assumedt1 ;        i.e. the following three are equivalent:e ;        $ ppf sys$outputh ;        $ ppf: ;	 $ run some_dir:ppf ! foreign command not necessary here ;o> ;        The reason the this is the default is that it is very? ;        useful to allow a batch process to determine the exacte. ;        filename and version of its log file. ;p> ;        PPF can also be used to determine the version of file) ;        opened by DCL.  Example follows:C, ;        $ open/read foo sys$login:login.com ;	 $ ppf foo( ;        $ show symbol/local *_file_name@ ;          FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$USER1:[USERS.JON]LOGIN.COM;181": ;          ORG_FILE_NAME = "ROOT$USERS:[JON]LOGIN.COM;181"A ;          PHY_FILE_NAME = "$4$DKA200:[USERS.][JON]LOGIN.COM;181"m ;        $ close/nolog foo ;X3 ;  example where file gets renamed while it is openp ;." ;        $ open/write foo test.dat ;        $ ppf foo# ;        $ sho sym /loc *_file_namee> ;          FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1"> ;          ORG_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1": ;          PHY_FILE_NAME = "$4$DKC204:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1"& ;        $ ren test.dat; jons.data;100 ;        $ ppf foo# ;        $ sho sym /loc *_file_name9A ;          FID_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]JONS.DATA;100"-> ;          ORG_FILE_NAME = "DISK$JSCRATCH:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1": ;          PHY_FILE_NAME = "$4$DKC204:[JON.PPF]TEST.DAT;1" ;        $ close/nolog foo   	.psect	data,quad,noexe  	$LNMDEF 	$FABDEF 	$NAMDEF 	$DEVDEF 	$DVIDEF 	$CLIMSGDEFo  ( 	.macro	errchk, ?skip		; check for error& 	blbs	r0, skip		; on success skip this# 	pushl	r0			; push offending statusu, 	calls	#1, g^lib$stop		; and kill this thing) skip:	.endm	errchk			; and that's errchk!    fab:	$FAB	nam=nam  nam:	$NAM	rsa=buffer,- 		rss=buffer_size,-  		nop=<noconceal>n  	 itemlist:t 	.word	buffer_size 	.word	lnm$_string 	.address	buffer 	.address	file_name_desc 	.long	0   	.align quad buffer:	.blkb	255' buffer_size=.-buffer 	.align quad buffer1:	.blkb	255 buffer1_size=.-buffer1 	.align quad buffer2:	.blkb	16' buffer2_size=.-buffer2 	.align quad recdev:	.blkl	1e dvirec:	.long	DVI$_REC return_length: 	.blkw	1   sysout: .ascid  /SYS$OUTPUT/ tabnam:	.ascid	/LNM$FILE_DEV/ F phynam:	.ascid	/PHY_FILE_NAME/		; name file was originally opened with> orgnam: .ascid	/ORG_FILE_NAME/		; same as file_name, concealedD fidnam:	.ascid	/FID_FILE_NAME/		; name determined by lib$fid_to_name0 input:	.long	lnm$c_namlength		; make a descr for  	.address 2$			; lib$get_foreign. 2$:	.blkb	lnm$c_namlength		; the buffer itself   file_name_desc:- 	.blkw	1 	.word	0 	.address buffer   fid_name_desc: 	.blkw	1 	.word	0 	.address buffer10   dvi_name_desc: 	.blkw	1 	.word	0 	.address buffer2n   	.psect	code,exe 	.entry	MAIN,^m<>9 	; Get logical file name of PPF>7 	pushal	input			; set the length to the length returnedr 	pushl	#0			; noprompt+ 	pushal	input			; write the rec'd data herea, 	calls	#3, g^lib$get_foreign	; get a command 	errchk				; check for error  . 	cmpw	input, #0		; no input logical specified? 	bneq	5$7 	movc3	sysout,@sysout+4,@input+4 ; input = "SYS$OUTPUT"i 	movw	sysout,input 5$:@9 	; Delete the symbols we are going to set (ignore errors)m" 	pushaq	fidnam			; "FID_FILE_NAME" 	calls	#1,g^lib$delete_symbolr" 	pushaq	orgnam			; "ORG_FILE_NAME" 	calls	#1,g^lib$delete_symbolo" 	pushaq	phynam			; "PHY_FILE_NAME" 	calls	#1,g^lib$delete_symbolh  3 	; Translate specified logical name in LNM$FILE_DEV  	pushal	itemlist	 	pushl	#07
 	pushaq	input6 	pushaq	tabnam	 	pushl	#0s 	calls	#5,g^sys$trnlnm 	blbs	r0,10$ 	brw	99$			; error? bail   	; Is it a PPF logical name?( 10$:	cmpw	buffer,#^X001b		; Escape, null	 	beql	11$e" 	brw	101$			; it's not a PPF, quit 11$:$ 	; Use $DISPLAY to get PPF file name 	movw	buffer+2,fab+fab$w_ifi# 	bisw2	#fab$m_ppf_ind,fab+fab$w_ifii2 	$display	fab=fab		; first with non-concealed name 	errchk				; check for error  2 	; Determine if device is a record oriented deviceF 	; Note that network devices like node"user pass"::sys$login:login.com@ 	; will have nam$t_dvi set to a null string.  In this case, just> 	; treat it like a non-record oriented device.  We will handle% 	; the lack of a FID at a later time.o  3 	; copy the nam$t_dvi name into the dvi_name stringe 	 # 	movzbw	nam+nam$t_dvi,dvi_name_descU	 	bneq	12$ ) 	brw	20$			; must be a decnet device nameh 12$:5 	movc3	dvi_name_desc,nam+nam$t_dvi+1,@dvi_name_desc+4i 	s5 	pushal	recdev			; boolean for record oriented devicer$ 	pushaq	dvi_name_desc		; device name# 	pushl	#0			; channel not specifiedw. 	pushal	dvirec			; address containing DVI$_REC 	calls	#4,g^lib$getdvi 	errchkl  * 	tstl	recdev			; if record oriented device% 	beql	20$			; then skip the followingr  8 	; here we have a record oriented device.  Directory and/ 	; file names really don't make a lot of sense. % 	; set PHY_FILE_NAME to nam$t_dvi andw! 	;     ORG_FILE_NAME to nam$l_devn  	; leave FID_FILE_NAME undefined   	pushaq	dvi_name_descc 	pushaq	phynam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 	errchko  4 	; copy the nam$l_dev name into the file_name string$ 	movzbw	nam+nam$b_dev,file_name_desc6 	movc3	file_name_desc,@nam+nam$l_dev,@file_name_desc+4   	pushaq	file_name_desc 	pushaq	orgnam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 	errchkB  	 	brw	99$	g  ) 	; Stuff file name length into descriptorm( 20$:	movzbw	nam+nam$b_rsl,file_name_desc  0 	; The file name is all set up in file_name_desc/ 	; Stuff it into the DCL symbol 'PHY_FILE_NAME'i 30$:	pushaq	file_name_desc 	pushaq	phynam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 	errchkm  . 	; Use $DISPLAY to get PPF file name concealed( 	bicb2	#<nam$m_noconceal>, nam+nam$b_nop 	$display	fab=fabg 	blbs	r0,40$ 	ret				; If it fails, exite  ) 	; Stuff file name length into descriptors( 40$:	movzbw	nam+nam$b_rsl,file_name_desc  0 	; The file name is all set up in file_name_desc/ 	; Stuff it into the DCL symbol 'ORG_FILE_NAME'l 	pushaq	file_name_desc 	pushaq	orgnam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 	errchk.  2 	; Now grab the FID from the NAM block and convert/ 	; it to a filename using LIB$FID_TO_NAME, then-/ 	; stuff it into the DCL symbol 'FID_FILE_NAME'e 	e1 	; we're going to use buffer1, set the length in n  	; the descriptor to buffer_size6 	movab	buffer1,fid_name_desc+4		; make sure we have it$ 	movzbw	#buffer1_size, fid_name_desc/ 	; we are going to reuse the descriptor for then 	; nam$t_dvi counted string % 	movzbw	nam+nam$t_dvi, file_name_descy 	beql	99$				; no FID, bail out ) 	movab	nam+nam$t_dvi+1, file_name_desc+4	    	pushaw	return_lengthe 	pushaq	fid_name_descT 	pushaw	nam+nam$w_fidn 	pushaq	file_name_desc 	calls	#4,g^lib$fid_to_name  	errchke  ) 	; Stuff file name length into descriptor ' 60$:	movzbw	return_length,fid_name_desc.  0 	; The file name is all set up in file_name_desc/ 	; Stuff it into the DCL symbol 'FID_FILE_NAME'n 70$:	pushaq	fid_name_desce 	pushaq	fidnam 	calls	#2,g^lib$set_symbol 99$:	ret 101$:	movl	#CLI$_UNDFIL,r0 	brb	99$  
 	.end	main   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:07:15 GMTn From: pasmith@ppg.com  Subject: From VMS to NT ) Message-ID: <8n95fe$3j4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   B We are currently a VMS shop running ORACLE 7.3.4 on an alpha 2100.F Support for this set up is rapidly getting scarce.  We are consideringF switching to an NT box running ORACLE 8i.  We currently have about 150B dumb terminals on the production floor, which run ORACLE forms forE getting and displaying data.  These are connected to terminal serverswE that can run TCP/IP.  Does anyone know of a way for dumb terminals to F communicate with NT?  Or does anyone know of an inexpensive GUI device8 that we can use as a replacement for our dumb terminals?    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:21:59 +0200d% From: "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com>n7 Subject: I need Lynx 2.8.3 exe file for AXP OpenVMS 7.1F' Message-ID: <8n8dq7$haf$1@as102.tel.hr>    I can't find anywhere.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:45:32 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>n" Subject: Re: Mass adding of users?) Message-ID: <3998060C.38ABCEAF@gtech.com>t   Don.Carlton@Citadel.edu wrote:E > I'm sure this has come up before but, can't find a reference in thetC > archives. We are beginning a new semester soon and will be adding.C > several hundred new students. We have been using a product calledeI > Manager that is no longer supported. This allows us to add 8 users at a3F > time. It creates their account with a new uic member number, createsE > their directory and sets up quota for them.  I am curious how other0D > schools are handling new account creation. I have seen several comG > procedures that will create an account but they do them one at a timedH > interactively. What I would like is something that will add at least a: > hundred users at a time. Maybe using a template account?   ????  A You write a COM-file that reads a file with names and numbers and/ create accounts based on that.  < It does not take much time. On newer hardware you can create thousands of accounts per hour.w  * No problem in doing one account at a time.  2 If you have to create the users for PathWorks with1 PathWorks 5.x, then it is another matter. The NETd commands are su fucking slow.    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:43:51 GMTi From: Don.Carlton@Citadel.educ Subject: Mass adding of users?) Message-ID: <8n8t2m$sls$1@nnrp1.deja.com>M  C I'm sure this has come up before but, can't find a reference in the,A archives. We are beginning a new semester soon and will be addingeA several hundred new students. We have been using a product calledvG Manager that is no longer supported. This allows us to add 8 users at a-D time. It creates their account with a new uic member number, createsC their directory and sets up quota for them.  I am curious how otherdB schools are handling new account creation. I have seen several comE procedures that will create an account but they do them one at a timerF interactively. What I would like is something that will add at least a8 hundred users at a time. Maybe using a template account?    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:02:18 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>o" Subject: RE: Mass adding of users?K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE80C@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>,  J This should be extremely simple to write a command file to do this for youI that can run in batch.  All you need is a file with all of their names inl? and a scheme that will assign the usernames without duplicates.   J Alternatively why not just create USER1, USER2, USER3 etc and assign theseG to the students every year, you'll never have to create another accountl again.  L the UAF already contains a template account called DEFAULT or you can create1 your own then use COPY  TEMPLATE  USER1/UIC=.....  - Darren   > ----------> > From: 	Don.Carlton@Citadel.edu[SMTP:Don.Carlton@Citadel.edu]) > Sent: 	Monday, August 14, 2000 10:43 AMs > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com! > Subject: 	Mass adding of users?- > E > I'm sure this has come up before but, can't find a reference in theeC > archives. We are beginning a new semester soon and will be addingmC > several hundred new students. We have been using a product called I > Manager that is no longer supported. This allows us to add 8 users at a F > time. It creates their account with a new uic member number, createsE > their directory and sets up quota for them.  I am curious how otherbD > schools are handling new account creation. I have seen several comG > procedures that will create an account but they do them one at a timeoH > interactively. What I would like is something that will add at least a: > hundred users at a time. Maybe using a template account? >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.u >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andvJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyeL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying3 of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaeF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:36:12 GMT From: jfc@mit.edu (John F Carr)r6 Subject: Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus)7 Message-ID: <3997f5cc$0$9435@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>   ; In article <R9Ck5.5495$pu4.394912@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, 3 Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:a  C >At least one New York State utility company relied on VAXen to runaM >"dispersion models" which would predict where the radioactive plume would go F >should the reactor experience a, umm, "significant excursion." Due toE >potential liability issues, DEC sold the VAXen to a third party, not0! >directly to the utility company.r  @ Sun explicitly prohibits use of its products in nuclear or other@ safety-critical systems.  Is anyone willing to warranty computer@ hardware for reactor control, life support, etc?  (I worked on a@ medical product that used fairly standard industrial VME and PCI( components, but it wasn't life support.)   -- .     John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:43:46 GMTt/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>c8 Subject: Re: Need a good hint to solve PathWorks problem) Message-ID: <3997BF52.6EA450EE@uiowa.edu>f   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:u > In article <3996FB07.A3D2EB49@mail.danbbs.dk>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> writes:r > @ > Start with PATHWORKS V6.0C ECO1 (as V6.0B is seriously broken)O > Then check the LANMAN.INI again (refer to the doc and add all missing params)h > Check all PWRK Logs9& > Try adding DEBUG = YES to LANMAN.INI  ? 	I've seen a couple references to PWRK v6.0C ECO1.  However, I eH can't seem to find the ECO!  I have checked on the "entitled" FTP serverD as well as the public patches sections of the Compaq Support Sites I+ normally use and they only have v6.0B ECOs.   < 	I got my v6.0C from the Jun 2000 ConDist set.  Is it ECO 1?   Rick -- eH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479o   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 17:38:01 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)8 Subject: Re: Need a good hint to solve PathWorks problem* Message-ID: <39981259$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  [ In article <3997BF52.6EA450EE@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:r >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: v >> In article <3996FB07.A3D2EB49@mail.danbbs.dk>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> writes: >> eA >> Start with PATHWORKS V6.0C ECO1 (as V6.0B is seriously broken) P >> Then check the LANMAN.INI again (refer to the doc and add all missing params) >> Check all PWRK Logs' >> Try adding DEBUG = YES to LANMAN.INI   C Check also that PWIP_DRIVER is enabled in TCPIP and that TCPIP is a ! configured protocol in PATHWORKS.   @ >	I've seen a couple references to PWRK v6.0C ECO1.  However, I I >can't seem to find the ECO!  I have checked on the "entitled" FTP serveriE >as well as the public patches sections of the Compaq Support Sites I , >normally use and they only have v6.0B ECOs.  D Unfortunately, PATHWORKS ECOs are still not available to the public.I See also vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks where I wrote a rant about it.e  = >	I got my v6.0C from the Jun 2000 ConDist set.  Is it ECO 1?c   No.p   -- ,< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888f< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:42:10 -0400 ) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>p+ Subject: RE: OpenVMS on Digital Server 5300aB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61C2@and02.drc.com>  5 You're half right.  The Digital Server 3300/5300/730084 are White Box AlphaServer 800/1200/4100 systems with0 a slightly damaged system identity.  VMS is most4 definitely not supported on these systems.  However,5 they do boot (and seem to run) VMS after a little bitf1 of SRM magic.  None of the Digital Server systems - had anything to do with the Alphaserver 2100.A   Eric Ebinger     > -----Original Message-----= > From: Michael A. Foley [mailto:mike.foley@technologist.com]P* > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:53 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como- > Subject: Re: OpenVMS on Digital Server 5300  >  >  > F >     No, the DEC 5300 is the white box Alpha that was designed to runF >     NT only. (Ugh, what a stupid strategy, but that's another topic) > ; >     You can get an SRM for it that will allow you to run 	 > Linux, but that'sNF >     about it. What you are seeing in VMS  is that the system type is@ >     not supported. It may look and breath like an AlphaServer  > 2100, butr' >     it's SRM doesn't report it as so.g >   >     Linux runs well on it tho. >  >  > mike >  > / > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in messages$ > news:8n3ddt$f0i$1@news.IAEhv.nl...H > > Without a systems and options guide at hand, I'd say that a DEC 5000F > > system is based on a MIPS cpu and will thus only run Unix (SCO ?).G > > So the box ought to complain. Could you tell us what made you thinkf > > otherwise? > >. > > Hans Vlems7 > > David Chan Sho Ving heeft geschreven in bericht ...d > > >Hi All, > > >	> > > >From all the information I've gathered, my understanding  > is that OpenVMSa< > > >7.2-1 should run on an Digital Server 5300. But when I  > boot the OS CDROM,1 > > >the installation always halts at this point:  > > >m1 > > >    %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate e > SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_EA05.EXEeE > > >    %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910b > > >r > > >    halted CPU 0a > > >	 > > >    halt code = 5" > > >    HALT instruction executed > > >    PC = 1d2a4  > > >    P00>>>. > > > ? > > >Does anyone know what the problem could be ? I've checked 0 > the contents ofn5 > > >the CD and the above mentioned file is not therel! > > >(sys$cpu_routines_EA05.exe).	 > > >h2 > > >ANY help will be very much appreciated, thanx > > >p
 > > >David > > >t > > >e > > >a > > >  > > ># > >l > >t >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:43:32 -0400o/ From: "Daniel Leblanc" <d_leblanc@videotron.ca>+ Subject: OpenVMS TCP ports listi6 Message-ID: <0ISl5.1335$7_5.56551@weber.videotron.net>   Hi every body!  G I need to know where i can find a tcp/ip port list for open vms system.m  . The port i need to know is 2137 and port 1415.  
 Thank you.   Daniel   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 16:27:26 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: OpenVMS TCP ports list7* Message-ID: <399801ce$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  h In article <0ISl5.1335$7_5.56551@weber.videotron.net>, "Daniel Leblanc" <d_leblanc@videotron.ca> writes:H >I need to know where i can find a tcp/ip port list for open vms system.  8 There is no real "tcp/ip port list for open vms system".G It depends on the TCPIP stack and what applications you have installed.a   UCX:		$ UCX SHOW DEVICE_SOCKETS # TCPIP:		$ TCPIP SHOW DEVICE_SOCKETSt  TCPware:	$ NETCU SHOW CONNECTION4 Multinet:	$ MULTINET SHOW CONNECTION		<== pure guess
 CMU/IP:		$  / >The port i need to know is 2137 and port 1415.u  D You can find the list of the well known port numbers in the RFC1700.  # 	eg. ftp://ftp.ripe.net/rfc1700.txta  1 I don't think, that 2137 or 1415 is in this list.i  F A client which connects to a server usually binds to an arbitrary freeI local port (= dynamically assigned) and connects then to the (well known)cI remote port (which is fixed for this server/service). So, you should maker$ it clear, what port you want to see.  G Then after the SHOW from above, you check which process is bound to the; socket:c  & UCX, TCPIP:	$ SHOW DEVICE/FULL BGxxxx:H TCPware:	$ SHOW DEVICE/FULL TCPxxxx: or UDPxxxx: or INETxxxx: or BGxxxx:	 and so on   O And then you should now to which application the process you find then belongs.e   HIHy -- t< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888u< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:28:52 -0700n+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>e Subject: Re: OpenVMSware( Message-ID: <39981034.CD2C8B68@mmaz.com>   Joseph Gill wrote:  J > Does anyone know if Compaq has an OpenVMSware web site where you can buyD > cool OpenVMS shirts, hats, mugs, etc simular to Sun's Sunware site  > (http://www.sun.com/sunware/)?  J It used to be, that Digital gave this stuff away for doing special audits,H previewing software, evaluating hardware, visiting their DECUS booth, or) even just dropping by the local office...e  - To pay them to advertise for them???  Humm...s   BarryG       --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOb  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028;   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 10:57:09 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>n/ Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and OtherwisebH Message-ID: <y4em3s1aqi.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  J Chlorine has been a basis of industrial products for more than a century. G If I remember correctly, natural sources of chlorine (for instance from K volcanic eruptions) produce more of it by an order of magnitude or two thanlL that released through human intervention, and sources such as volcanoes pushL it straight past the troposphere in some cases. Nonetheless, the ozone layerJ appears to have been pretty stable until CFCs reached it and started theirG handiwork, so the cause-and-effect relationship, and the exoneration ofE "normal" chlorine, seems clear.p  M To get nearer to the original subject, I agree with Charlie Matco's reasoningbL that it would have been reasonable - given the general exceptions granted toM developing countries - to include an exception for Halon in its use as a fire M extinguisher/retardent. It's quite superior to CO2 or Argon for this use, and3N the amount leaked can't be significant compared to all sources for CFCs in the environment.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:21:34 +0100a/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>s/ Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwisen6 Message-ID: <009EE97B.080CD2B5.2@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   > David A Froble wrote:b > [snip] > > % > > And now we're talking philosophy.o > > P > > While I do not disagree with the principals of protecting the ecology of the* > > planet, I do disagree with extremism.  > A > If the subject were Plutonium instead of Chlorine, you may feelu > differently.  E Because biochemistry  doesn't do nuclear reactions, and because Pu is3< dangerously radioactive, and because it's completely unknownE to the biosphere before we created it. Uranium would have been a much G fairer analogy. A small amount of that in the environment is tolerable.FI Thorium is another; in parts of India, the amounts of that *naturally* in-/ the environment are verging on the intolerable!@  , > > Just where do you think all this 'stuff'O > > is coming from?  Just appearing out of thin air?  From a practical point ofm# > > view, we're in a closed system.e > H > Exactly my point, no? Where is it (chlorine) coming from? Us! Where is0 > it going? As you said, it's a "closed system".  I Actually a lot comes out of volcanoes. And we've explained where it goes;eH HCl in solution, thence NaCl or KCl in the oceans, and CO2 emitted from  carbonaceous rocks.    >  wQ > > Chlorine is, as stated before, a very reactive element, and will combine withtQ > > something rather quickly.  It isn't a significant part of the ozone problem. h >  > But can you GUARANTEE that?   G Yes. You can study the behaviour of chlorine gas in the atmosphere veryiG easily. It's highly reactive and soluble. Those two things mean that itnJ does not diffuse up unchanged as the CFCs to, it rapidly ends up dissolvedL in water and converted to HCl within the lower atmosphere, rivers or oceans.  I (The exception is chlorine emitted by volcanoes into volcanic plumes that 7 pierce the lower atmosphere, but that's not our doing!)   # > Do not the same forces that raise-G > heavier-than-air CHFC's into the upper atmosphere pick up and deliver D > ALL man-made gases into the various levels of the atmosphere? WhatB > happens to them from there? ...and does this guarantee the totalF > destruction of all substances harmful to the various elements of the) > environment? Can ANYone guarantee that?   D You can study the chemistry of each man-made gas. As a first generalI priciple, it it's soluble it won't get out of the lower atmosphere; it'lliI dissolve in water, rain out, and end up in the oceans if it doesn't react E with something else. The problem gases are simply defined as CFCs andeK to a lesser extent HCFCs and other halons, because of their utter inertnesstK until they reach the upper atmosphere and high fluxes of hard UV radiation;tL and CO2, because of its relative inertness and the vast amounts in which it 0 is being produced by combustion of fossil fuels.  K There's no guarantee for an unknown something, but given a lab study of theBF chemistry of any particular volatile you can be as close to certain as) anyone without divine powers ever can be.5 > H > ...and even if it does today, at what concentration of pollutants does& > this protection begin to break down?  M Never, if creation rate and destruction rate become equal with concentrations 3 not significantly displaced from what is "natural".c  N In this connection, I pointed out that Iodine is a significant ozone-destroyerH in the upper atmosphere ... and that the Iodine found there is primarilyK of natural origin, being emitted as organo-iodine compounds by oceanic lifeoJ in vast quantities ("the smell of the sea"). Also volcanoes push chlorine,J sulphur and nitrogen oxides directly into the upper atmosphere. Therefore,J provided we keep our contributions to a small percentage of these natural 7 ones, the ozone layer won't be significantly affected.     >  > > ByR > > expanding the concept of protection of the ozone layer to include all chlorineQ > > (a fairly common part of the make-up of the planet) you lose all credibility.o > J > Not sure I'd go that far, though it does seem to be the consensus of the > respondents. > S > > The chlorine has always been here, during the formation of the ozone layer, andeR > > it's only the compounds we've created that can make it to a point where damage > > can be done. >  > Again, this is my point, no? > J > Only an industrialized world has contributed so much to the problem, andE > only changes to that world can have an effect on that trend, eitherm+ > positive or negative. The choice is ours.   J We've made that change, with respect to bulk production of CFCs which wereH the primary threat. HCFCs have replaced them (a lesser threat) and thereF is a legal mandate to recycle rather than dump them (further reducing B emissions). What we've done to the ozone layer with CFCs is sadly F irreversible (it'll take about 300 years for atmospheric CFC levels to start falling).I  I More generally, we are learning from past environmental mistakes. Most ofhK the big pollution problems in the world are historical legacies (stuff thatiG won't go away, or plant that ought to be condemned and isn't because a iJ less-developed economy can't afford to replace it). Going backwards is notM an option. We now know of the technologies that can put a modern civilisation3K back in balance with the environment, and the coming century or two will bea
 critical.   F The choice is ours indeed (and a few generation of childrens') The bigJ choice is whether to move to solar power in advance of any hard proof thatI CO2 is screwing up the climate ... or to wait for hard evidence, and let y& our children suffer the consequences.    	Yours,l
 		Nigel Arnotp- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   s  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.".   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:20:40 GMTy) From: Art Rice <arice.NOSPAM@ue.itug.org> / Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise 8 Message-ID: <jo6gpssg3011p3gaj10sfmmhje7u61meut@4ax.com>  2 On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:14:34 -0700, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote:  > >"Jonathan Stone" <jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message' >news:8mvf7q$hdh$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU...pC >> Cloroflurocarbons, once relased into the atmosphere, can migrate-I >> through the atmosphere into the stratosphere, where ionizing radiation<H >> can strip off the chlorine atom, prodcing free chlorine radicals (Cl,E >> _not_ Cl2). The free chlorine radicals are very reactive, and they F >> will eventually recombine with other chemicals. The problem is that@ >> when free chlorine radicals react wtih ozone (O3), they break@ >> down the O3 into O2 and re-release the free chlorine radical. >>E >Which begs the question, if the end result is O2 then why doesnt the D >same ionizing radiation convert the O2 to O3?  Isn't that where theG >ozone comes from in the first place?  Or do we need to start strippingt> >out emission controls from cars to replenish the ozone layer? >   Jack Peacock  D It was my understanding that the major contributor in the production of ozone is Lightning.     -- m
 Art Rice   **e# Special Data Processing Corporation & --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do a% not reflect the views of my employer.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:39:21 GMTy- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> / Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and OtherwiseX( Message-ID: <399820B1.38132E19@ohio.edu>  L I am pretty sure that the 5 rem/year comes from the fact that the short-termM lethal dose is about 450 rem, so a 90-year lifespan wouldn't be significantly@I impacted.  That is a very unsophisticated calculation, because it ignoresW. dose-rate sensitivity ("reciprocity failure").  #                                 RDPE     Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  3 > Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:R >oM > > Thorium is another; in parts of India, the amounts of that *naturally* inh3 > > the environment are verging on the intolerable!> >aH > IIRC, that region is the basis for the limit on occupational radiationL > exposure of 5 rem/year...if the man in the street in Kerala doesn't sufferJ > from enhanced cancer rates or other effect from this environmental rate,M > surely it will be OK for the X-ray assistent in your friendly neighbourhoodT > hospital.	 >e
 >         Janr   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 14:55:03 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>0/ Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and OtherwiseeH Message-ID: <y4itt4kno8.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  1 Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:f  K > Thorium is another; in parts of India, the amounts of that *naturally* ina1 > the environment are verging on the intolerable!1  F IIRC, that region is the basis for the limit on occupational radiationJ exposure of 5 rem/year...if the man in the street in Kerala doesn't sufferH from enhanced cancer rates or other effect from this environmental rate,K surely it will be OK for the X-ray assistent in your friendly neighbourhoode	 hospital.    	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:38:35 GMT ! From: "dls2" <dlshearer@home.com>0+ Subject: Q: source listings vs. source code0< Message-ID: <fLRl5.132472$lU5.899668@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>  / How do source listings differ from source code?e7 Specifically concerning the OpenVMS source listings....i     appreciatively,n   --  Derrick Shearer    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:10:45 -0400 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>/ Subject: Re: Q: source listings vs. source codei: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000814090744.00c7b9a0@24.8.96.48>  & At 12:38 PM 8/14/00 +0000, dls2 wrote:0 >How do source listings differ from source code?8 >Specifically concerning the OpenVMS source listings....  L Listings are what you get from the compilers when you add the /LIST switch. L They're rather more than just the source, and you can't feed them back into I the compilers to build. You can, however, turn listings back into source  7 with the CVTLIS package, which is on the freeware disk.l  H The listings generally don't have all the bits you'd need to build VMS, L either. Some pieces (code covered by other people's patents and the license I manager, amongst other things) are missing. Whether you get those if you  G spring for the full source kit's something I don't know. (I presume if iI you've worked out a deal with Compaq for the source, and paid the rather o: significant price that likely entails, you get everything)   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------.2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even2;                                       teddy bears get drunkt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:55:41 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>T/ Subject: Re: Q: source listings vs. source coded) Message-ID: <3997EC4D.BFDA7954@gtech.com>r   dls2 wrote:e1 > How do source listings differ from source code?H9 > Specifically concerning the OpenVMS source listings....0  " source listing = output from /LIST source = sourceu  / The first is relative cheap. The second is not.e  7 You may want to look at the CVTLIS utility (it convertsp from .LIS to source).    Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 14:57:06 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-/ Subject: Re: Q: source listings vs. source code0H Message-ID: <y4g0o8knkt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  # "dls2" <dlshearer@home.com> writes:   1 > How do source listings differ from source code?y9 > Specifically concerning the OpenVMS source listings....t  K Not easy to answer. Tools exist to strip away the "junk" a listing containsnN apart from the source code. You _are_ missing some important parts, but that'sL not the fault of the source vs listing distinction: build files/instructions8 and some modules relevant to trade secrets and security.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:36:50 GMTc= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)i/ Subject: Re: Q: source listings vs. source codee0 Message-ID: <009EE95B.A2A53615@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <y4g0o8knkt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:$ >"dls2" <dlshearer@home.com> writes: >T2 >> How do source listings differ from source code?: >> Specifically concerning the OpenVMS source listings.... >dL >Not easy to answer. Tools exist to strip away the "junk" a listing contains   ^^8 @@  ------------------------------------------------^^^^  I Obviously you have _no_ appreciation for the usefulness of these listings = or for the output listings generated by a compilation on VMS!t  I I never build code without maintaining a copy of full listings which haveoJ the machine (compiler generated) code and full .MAP files from the LINKER.I These things are the most useful bits of information you can possess whenPJ you need to debug some anomally in the code which triggers a process/imageK dump or a system crash.  The same is true for VMS itself.  If you've incur-pK red a system crash which lies anywhere within the executive -- whether thatGJ crash was precipitated by your code or some latent bug in the executive --J the source listings, especially on the Alpha, are a godsend when trying toK determine the problem and/or a solution.  On VAX, seeing as how much of the4J executive was written in Macro, it is far easier to understand because youK can view the machine code with the crash dump analyzer and that code is, in-J most cases, very close to the actual source.  On alpha, with the exceptionJ of a few Macro64 modules, the machine code is generated by a compiler.  ToJ get some sort of relationship between the "machine" code and the "source" J code, one needs these listings.  I would much rather have the full machineJ listings (and do!) -- which will have module source -- than just the plainI source code.  The likelihood of "reproducing" the actual machine instruc-fI tion sequences observed in some crash dump by "compiling" the sources "ingI the field" are rather nill, and I'll save mention of time wasted time by y" both CPU and human crash analyzer!   O >apart from the source code. You _are_ missing some important parts, but that's M >not the fault of the source vs listing distinction: build files/instructions 9 >and some modules relevant to trade secrets and security.9 >2 >	Janm  G True.  There are portions of the source which are "sanitized" from the cG distributed listings.  However, I've only encountered a very few placesaF over the many years where such "sanitation" left me rummaging through 
 "garbage".   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 15:55:38 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> / Subject: Re: Q: source listings vs. source codeaH Message-ID: <y4punc54md.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:a  N > >Not easy to answer. Tools exist to strip away the "junk" a listing contains: > @@  ------------------------------------------------^^^^K > Obviously you have _no_ appreciation for the usefulness of these listingsb? > or for the output listings generated by a compilation on VMS!s  F Calm down, Brian, and don't jump to conclusions. Of course I know whatE a listing is good for, and appreciate their existance. In fact, I wasmG unpleasantly surprised to learn that most non-VMS compilers do not have J that ability, and have written a cross compiler on VMS that produces same.8 I've even spent uncounted nights reading them. So there!  I Nonetheless, from the point of view of the compiler, the listing contains0J mostly junk. I really had thought putting the word in quotes was enough to) not trigger (badly) conditioned reflexes.p   	Jan   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:18:05 -0400 (EDT)t% From: Fawn C <cherokee52@hotmail.com>e Subject: REMOVEt5 Message-ID: <LAW2-F134ZLvGVNvtL400002746@hotmail.com>f  . Please remove my email address from this list.H ________________________________________________________________________H Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:06:45 -0400h* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: Running Defrag (DFO)...- Message-ID: <39977055.B9CABE33@tsoft-inc.com>g   Pedro Viena wrote: >  > Hi VMS experts:  > ? >     Id like to know if DFO is 100% trust. Can I use DFO withf > 9 >     users using the system ? Devices are RAID member 5.o > 2 >     Can I user DFO in a Sybase database server ?  D 1) Make very sure you're running compatible versions of DFO and VMS!  O 2) Running DFO during times the system is inactive, if possible, sure is a good  idea.   % Nothing is 100%, except this concept!e   Dave   -- 24 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:18:01 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: Running Defrag (DFO)...) Message-ID: <3997B949.BEA4FB8E@gtech.com>r   Pedro Viena wrote:, >     Id like to know if DFO is 100% trust.  A Yes. DFO is as safe as possible (IF you use a version of DFO thatt! is supported on the VMS version).s  - > Can I use DFO with users using the system ?o  ( Yes. But performance may not be optimal.   > Devices are RAID member 5.   Should not matter.  . > Can I user DFO in a Sybase database server ?  9 I think so, but I seriously doubt that there would be any  point in doing it !.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 11:25:29 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: STOP/IDH Message-ID: <y4bsyw19fa.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  - "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:i  8 > You can look at modifying the VERB in the DCLTABLES...  E You can't do that, I think - STOP/ID is internal to DCL. And anyway, eB you either have a captive user (who can't execute any DCL command E coming his way) - then STOP/ID is no problem - or you don't, in whichhJ case the user has too many alternative ways of achiveing the same purpose.I In this latter case, defensive coding, which might include writing a user H system service and putting anything required by the application into the> rundown handler than can be provided, is the only alternative.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:16:28 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: STOP/ID+ Message-ID: <8n8ked$qoe@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   B "Oswald Knoppers" <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> wrote in message& news:3997D11A.22DE687@whitehouse.nl...  J > If you can, you could try to modify this application to set the nodeleteG > bit on the process. This way the user will get an error message. Justh8 > try to stop/id the net$acp process to see what I mean.  E Arranging it to run under a different UIC group might be simpler, andh almost as effective.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:49:57 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) Subject: Re: STOP/ID6 Message-ID: <8n8te5$7u8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D In article <8n20ft$c1a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:  C >I would like to re-define the command STOP/ID so that no one couldpG >issue the command. In our environment a STOP/ID halts our application.uB >Then I want to define STOP/ID to something that no one else knows >about. How can this be done?o  E Redefinig DCL commands can cause all sorts of "interesting" problems  D for users and command procedures that legitimately use the redefined9 commands.  It is not somethign to be undertaken lightlyt.n  E Apparently you have users who improperly issue STOP/ID commands, yes? K Why do they do this?  Why do you think they will NOT issus STOPIT commands?e  E If you can provide a bit more information, you might get a lot betterh% suggestions for solving your problem.f   -- hK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAtF          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:16:09 +0105 (AM)! From: D1VX562dv@GWDG-HPOV.gwdg.dea0 Subject: Supersleuth Tells All, Make 10K A Month' Message-ID: <957COyc9wq8@[203.74.60.5]>r   Oprah, Nightline, Maria Shriver, 48 Hours, 20/20, Playboy, Kiplingers and more have all interviewed this famous Private Investigator. Now, you too can make substantial income using his highly sought- after SECRETS.   Thank you for your interest in our training Course! We offer the most extensive training course in "How to Collect Judicial Judgments" available!!! 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Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: >from a privileged account:r >eF >$ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM:  (or have appropriate logical name defined) >$ MCR AUTHORIZE >=8 >UAF>  MODIFY username/PASS=whatevernewpassword/NOPWDEXP  G As I understand Ruslan's question is that he wants to keep the passwordi4 in plaintext in SYSUAF and this is AFAIK impossible.  4 I don't think that he is a newbie system manager ;-)   -- O< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 17:41:24 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: Using telnet/pppd on VMSr* Message-ID: <39981324$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Q In article <39980E7F.1502@ups.edu>, "Jack B. Nimble" <vmsmanager@ups.edu> writes:u+ >> What does your routing table look like ?   >> Do you have a GATED running ? >lD >Since my system at home is just the single DPW433au I did not setup >GATED or other routing.  K If you have more than one interface (PPP to the world, Eth to the home LAN)-L it would be a good idea to know what interface to use for what dest. system.M If you only have the PPP connection, a default router entry should be enough..  F >Since then I have removed TCP/IP V5.0A and installed Multinet 4.2 viaC >the Hobbyist program. I am just now trying set setup PPP services.s  3 It doesn't change the problem. It adds another one. G But you learn, what is required, and how some products implements/solve  this requirements.   -- ,< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:21:37 -0700 + From: "Jack B. Nimble" <vmsmanager@ups.edu>p% Subject: Re: Using telnet/pppd on VMSe# Message-ID: <39980E7F.1502@ups.edu>   * > What does your routing table look like ? > Do you have a GATED running ?n  C Since my system at home is just the single DPW433au I did not setups GATED or other routing.r  E Since then I have removed TCP/IP V5.0A and installed Multinet 4.2 vianB the Hobbyist program. I am just now trying set setup PPP services.  C PS: Jack B. Nimble is the name of my Mac G4 at work. Just trying toh reduce the spam.   Bill   William S. LaCounted VMS Systems Manager  University of Puget Soundd Tacoma, Washington   wlacounte@ups.edu-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:07:34 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e' Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMS3) Message-ID: <3997B6D6.FA6929DD@gtech.com>e   BrianNFO wrote:iQ > I have an ooold VAX application that I need to run on an Alpha.  We do not haveiN > the compiler for the Alpha, and I thought a while back there was a tool that; > could take a VAX image and create an Alpha image from it.a > ) > Maybe I was dreaming...does this exist?o  A The utility is called VEST, but the product is called DECmigrate.2   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:15:31 +0200c" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMSo( Message-ID: <8n8r3r$9qa$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  F Yes the tool did exist: VEST. The PAK was called DECMIGRATE (I think).0 We got it for free on AXP2100's running VMS 6.1.H I tried on some homewritten games (pascal sources) and that worked well.< Next, I migrated a basic interpreter for our library system.L Even though vested code is a lot slower, that application was about 20 timesK faster on the 2100! Once the library users used it there was no way back...m  
 Hans Vlems$ BrianNFO heeft geschreven in bericht1 <20000811152727.00174.00001648@ng-ch1.aol.com>...1K >I have an ooold VAX application that I need to run on an Alpha.  We do not, haveH >the compiler for the Alpha, and I thought a while back there was a tool that: >could take a VAX image and create an Alpha image from it. >.1 >Maybe I was dreaming...does this exist?  Thanks.n >a >Brian   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:10:18 +0200>= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>?! Subject: Re: VMS hobbyist versione) Message-ID: <3997B77A.4FC32F74@gtech.com>a   Beatles wrote:G > I'm trying to run an old VAXstation 3100 M38 but I don't have any OS.-E > I've heard that a free version of VMS is avaible for non commerciali
 > purpose.D > Is it true ? Where can I download it ? Could someone give me a few; > informations about installation of VMS on this computer ?i  C If you are a member of DECUS (free in most countries), then you can)C get a license for VMS and a ton of layered products, compilers etc. % for free. You can request it via WWW.e  E You can not download the kits, but you can at the same web-site orderoA a CD with VMS and most of the other products for a small fee onlyf  covering media and mail of that.  B Installing VMS are quite simple, but ther are docs on both the web and on the CD mentioned above.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 05:49:06 -0700a? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid>l- Subject: Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)c9 Message-ID: <02138600.4bc94f07@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com>b  > Very interesting - we are just about to start our first VMS to@ Solaris migration (not my idea!!!) so thanks for justifying what( us VMS people have been saying all along  $ won't make any difference though :-(  
 Thanks anywayi  
 Mike Price7 All entries are personal opinion and do not necessarilyt represent those of my employer.s8 Any resemblence they have to reality may be coincidental  ; -----------------------------------------------------------t  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!  http://www.keen.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:54:36 +0100 ' From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com>d- Subject: Whilst on the subject of listings... ' Message-ID: <3998082B.9B619463@csc.com>_  ? Can anybody give me a ball-park number for the cost of the saidoC listings? Are they on general release from Q? Our department may beuA interested in a copy - if our resident binary speaker has his wayT anyway.p   Regards,   Adec   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:21:26 -0400l" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>1 Subject: Re: Whilst on the subject of listings...u: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000814112050.00d5e310@24.8.96.48>  0 At 03:54 PM 8/14/00 +0100, Adrian Birkett wrote:@ >Can anybody give me a ball-park number for the cost of the saidD >listings? Are they on general release from Q? Our department may beB >interested in a copy - if our resident binary speaker has his way >anyway.  L Last time I checked they ran about $2k, though you might want to check with J your Compaq rep and see what the current price is. (And how badly you can  twist their arms...)   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------^2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evend;                                       teddy bears get drunkp   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.453 ************************