1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 15 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 454       Contents:& RE: Adjusting Width of Show Users Info& Re: Adjusting Width of Show Users Info Re: Bill vs. Carl 
 CD-R Writing.  RE: CD-R Writing.  Re: CD-R Writing.  Re: CD-R Writing. * Re: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces?* Re: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces? Re: crmpsc migration question  Re: crmpsc migration question $ Re: DECnet Plus copying time problem RE: From VMS to NT Re: From VMS to NT Re: From VMS to NT Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise( Re: How to fake a device full situation.( RE: How to fake a device full situation. LN03 Printer Issues  Re: LN03 Printer Issues  Re: LN03 Printer Issues  Re: LN03 Printer Issues  Re: Mass adding of users?  Re: Mass adding of users?  Re: Mass adding of users?  Re: Mass adding of users?  MV3100 OpenVMS Patches Mailing List Re: OpenVMS TCP ports list Re: OpenVMSware  Re: OpenVMSware  Re: OpenVMSware  Re: OpenVMSware & Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise Re: PCM / CommandIT  PMDF & SMTP relay  Re: PMDF & SMTP relay & Re: Q: source listings vs. source code
 RD51 vs. RD53  Re: RD51 vs. RD53  Re: RD51 vs. RD53  Re: STOP/ID  Re: STOP/ID + Re: Supersleuth Tells All, Make 10K A Month ' Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1) ' Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1) ' Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1) ' Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1) ' Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1)  Re: VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMS Re: VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMS# Re: Versions of DSN - which is best # Re: Versions of DSN - which is best # Re: Versions of DSN - which is best  Re: VMS hobbyist version Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS  Re: VMS Vs any other OS $ Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)$ Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)( Re: Whilst on the subject of listings...( Re: Whilst on the subject of listings... [OT] Vax Hardware + [PWS433au] How to add external SCSI CDROM ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:52:59 -0500 / From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> / Subject: RE: Adjusting Width of Show Users Info T Message-ID: <CB874B506A79D1118FBC006097306B8906828CF3@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  L Hmmm... I'm somewhat disappointed that the folks in the group don't know theG answer to this one.  I would have though in today's network with TCP/IP G running everywhere that other folks would have also ran across this and  fixed it.      Ed     -----Original Message----- From: Stuart, Ed  ' Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 8:32 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + Subject: Adjusting Width of Show Users Info     I Hello all; we're running a heterogeneous cluster, with some nodes running H V6.2 and some running V7.2-1.  On one of our older AlphaServers (runningK V6.2) the Show Users/Full command displays fully qualified IP node names in > the Terminal section of the display (as in the example below).   $ show users/full stuart7       OpenVMS User Processes at 10-AUG-2000 08:22:24.32 7     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 1   2  Username  Node   Process Name    PID     Terminal3  STUART    FLASH  Ed            34E52F19  NTA27:       $ (ae-stuart.electric.ci.austin.tx.us)  F On our other systems the information in this section of the display isB truncated from the beginning and we only see some of the remaining& information (as in the example below).  2  OpenVMS User Processes at 10-AUG-2000 08:29:57.957     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 1   2  Username  Node   Process Name    PID     TerminalG  TCOA1     TESLA  TCOA1         3C004F7D  NTA4:    (ic.ci.austin.tx.us)   H We obviously adjusted something on the first node, but we're not able toG find the adjustment in our notes.  How does one adjust the width of the < terminal field in the output of the Show users/full command?  $ Ed Stuart                           ( Manager, Systems and Desktop Services	   Information Technology Services  City of Austin, Austin Energy  Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com  + "Glittering prizes and endless compromises  . shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Pert  B *Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here*   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:10:12 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> / Subject: Re: Adjusting Width of Show Users Info - Message-ID: <39989874.A5F22AC3@earthlink.net>    "Stuart, Ed" wrote:  > N > Hmmm... I'm somewhat disappointed that the folks in the group don't know theI > answer to this one.  I would have though in today's network with TCP/IP I > running everywhere that other folks would have also ran across this and  > fixed it.   ? I don't know as it's actually a "problem", Ed - which is to say  "something at fault".   G You can get the same kind of results running LAT with virtual terminals H enabled. When the unit numbers for both the LTA and VTA devices get intoA the four-digit range, and/or if the terminal server names are not H changed from the default, it's not at all abnormal to see a display like this:   7       OpenVMS User Processes at 10-AUG-2000 08:22:24.32 7     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 1   2  Username  Node   Process Name    PID     Terminal;  STUART    FLASH  Ed            34E52F19  VTA2763: LTA6572: D                                           (LTA_08002B6524F3/PORT_16)  B I cut this out of the Reflection/4 display from my Alpha box here:    DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sys/noprocC OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node DJAS01  14-AUG-2000 20:06:28.84  Uptime  17  23:56:29 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ shu7       OpenVMS User Processes at 14-AUG-2000 20:06:33.00 7     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 1   ,  Username   Process Name    PID     Terminal>  DDACHTERA  DDACHTERA     00000082  NTY8:    (C333.djesys.com)  D Notice that since the machine is not clustered, the node name columnF does not appear. That's about the only other "adjustment" I'm aware ofF that is in anyway within the SysAdmin's control, outside of naming LAT nodes and such.   > As to why one of your nodes right-justifies and left-trims theB TT_ACCPORNAM string in the SHOW USERS display, perhaps the OpenVMSG engineering folks would like to know the specifics of your environment. E I can't speak for 'em, obviously, but that would be my thought. Stuff 3 like OVMS version, IP stack, IP stack version, etc.    FWIW...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:18:11 GMT % From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)  Subject: Re: Bill vs. Carl/ Message-ID: <spgs1318kn9104@news.supernews.com>   + Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote:   / > 	I knew Carl Lydick... to coin a Reagan term:  >  > 	"Bill ain't no Carl Lydick".  > < > 	There is a match and then there is a flame thrower , both, > 	put off heat.  But there are differences!  C How many Gavrons is Bill pegging at?  I believe the record is still 1 one Ehud . . .  [thanks/apologies to Joel Snyder]    ok dpm  --  3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/ - systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.com C                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal) C COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:08:50 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: CD-R Writing.> Message-ID: <8025693B.0069666B.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   The environment : J VMS Alpha V7.1-1H2, AlphaServer 1000A 5/400, Yamaha CRW8424S CDwriter on a KZPBA-CA SCSI adapter.O CDrecord v1.8a22 or CDwrite v14.  LD is used to create a container file on disk O that is initialized and written to as any other "disk", then dismounted and the 3 container file written to the CD-R (device DKC600).   O It seems that no matter what the size of the container file that I write to the P CD, the CDrecord or CDwrite image makes the disk around 8 blocks bigger than theK container file on magnetic disk.  This leads to a blocks incorrectly marked I allocated warning at the end of the disk when checked using ANALYZE/DISK.   O I also get an invalid storage control block warning, no matter what size I make P the disk.  It seems that even making the disk a multiple of 24 and 32 (like 9600, blocks) I get the ANALDISK-W-CHKSCB warning.  N As both are warnings rather than errors they do not affect the function of theP disk which is written.  They do, however, make things a little awkward if I wantC to send the disk to someone else and they do an ANALYZE/DISK on it.    Are there any answers to this?  - The command line I'm using with CDrecord is :   4 CDRECORD -speed 1 dev=2,6,0 DKA200:[LD]CONTAINER.DSK  : where CDRECORD is a symbol pointing to the CDrecord image.  O CDrecord does give the messages "Cannot set priority on this OS." and "Fifo not H supported." before giving the status information and drive capabilities.   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:11:53 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>  Subject: RE: CD-R Writing.D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD7AD@berry.mvpsi.com>  K I've spent a little bit of time trying to chase this down but I never found J a satisfactory answer.  I stopped chasing when I realized that most (maybeH all) CD's have this problem.  Try ANAL/DISK on a CD you've received from Compaq.   ; In VMS V7.2 the messages changes from %ANALDISK-W-CHKSCB to D %ANALDISK-I-SHORTBITMAP.  The HELP/MESS text for SHORTBITMAP states:  L "User Action: None. However, do not mount this volume on OpenVMS Version 7.1> or earlier systems; doing so could cause the system to crash."  E So the problem drops from a warning to informational but they add the  "system crash" warning.      > -----Original Message-----F > From: steven.reece@QUINTILES.COM [mailto:steven.reece@QUINTILES.COM]' > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:09 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: CD-R Writing. >  >  >  >  >  > The environment : ? > VMS Alpha V7.1-1H2, AlphaServer 1000A 5/400, Yamaha CRW8424S   > CDwriter on a  > KZPBA-CA SCSI adapter.; > CDrecord v1.8a22 or CDwrite v14.  LD is used to create a   > container file on disk? > that is initialized and written to as any other "disk", then   > dismounted and the5 > container file written to the CD-R (device DKC600).  > > > It seems that no matter what the size of the container file  > that I write to the < > CD, the CDrecord or CDwrite image makes the disk around 8  > blocks bigger than the; > container file on magnetic disk.  This leads to a blocks   > incorrectly marked> > allocated warning at the end of the disk when checked using  > ANALYZE/DISK.  > : > I also get an invalid storage control block warning, no  > matter what size I make > > the disk.  It seems that even making the disk a multiple of  > 24 and 32 (like 9600. > blocks) I get the ANALDISK-W-CHKSCB warning. > = > As both are warnings rather than errors they do not affect   > the function of the : > disk which is written.  They do, however, make things a  > little awkward if I wantE > to send the disk to someone else and they do an ANALYZE/DISK on it.  >   > Are there any answers to this? > / > The command line I'm using with CDrecord is :  > 6 > CDRECORD -speed 1 dev=2,6,0 DKA200:[LD]CONTAINER.DSK > < > where CDRECORD is a symbol pointing to the CDrecord image. > ? > CDrecord does give the messages "Cannot set priority on this   > OS." and "Fifo not= > supported." before giving the status information and drive   > capabilities.  >  > Steve. >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:12:31 -0700   From: Jon <jsmyth69@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: CD-R Writing.2 Message-ID: <pHyYOXVMN08Iq5IboXkzfT8WRmOQ@4ax.com>  E Could you give me a pointer to a page or two on creating your own VMS C cds?   I've got some home grown utilities we want to distribute and 7 want to know the best way to burn our own CDs.  Thanks!       $ John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> wrote:  L >I've spent a little bit of time trying to chase this down but I never foundK >a satisfactory answer.  I stopped chasing when I realized that most (maybe I >all) CD's have this problem.  Try ANAL/DISK on a CD you've received from  >Compaq. > < >In VMS V7.2 the messages changes from %ANALDISK-W-CHKSCB toE >%ANALDISK-I-SHORTBITMAP.  The HELP/MESS text for SHORTBITMAP states:  > M >"User Action: None. However, do not mount this volume on OpenVMS Version 7.1 ? >or earlier systems; doing so could cause the system to crash."  > F >So the problem drops from a warning to informational but they add the >"system crash" warning. >  >  >> -----Original Message----- G >> From: steven.reece@QUINTILES.COM [mailto:steven.reece@QUINTILES.COM] ( >> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:09 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: CD-R Writing.  >>   >>   >>   >>   >>   >> The environment :@ >> VMS Alpha V7.1-1H2, AlphaServer 1000A 5/400, Yamaha CRW8424S  >> CDwriter on a >> KZPBA-CA SCSI adapter. < >> CDrecord v1.8a22 or CDwrite v14.  LD is used to create a  >> container file on disk @ >> that is initialized and written to as any other "disk", then  >> dismounted and the 6 >> container file written to the CD-R (device DKC600). >>  ? >> It seems that no matter what the size of the container file   >> that I write to the= >> CD, the CDrecord or CDwrite image makes the disk around 8   >> blocks bigger than the < >> container file on magnetic disk.  This leads to a blocks  >> incorrectly marked ? >> allocated warning at the end of the disk when checked using   >> ANALYZE/DISK. >>  ; >> I also get an invalid storage control block warning, no   >> matter what size I make? >> the disk.  It seems that even making the disk a multiple of   >> 24 and 32 (like 9600 / >> blocks) I get the ANALDISK-W-CHKSCB warning.  >>  > >> As both are warnings rather than errors they do not affect  >> the function of the; >> disk which is written.  They do, however, make things a   >> little awkward if I want F >> to send the disk to someone else and they do an ANALYZE/DISK on it. >>  ! >> Are there any answers to this?  >>  0 >> The command line I'm using with CDrecord is : >>  7 >> CDRECORD -speed 1 dev=2,6,0 DKA200:[LD]CONTAINER.DSK  >>  = >> where CDRECORD is a symbol pointing to the CDrecord image.  >>  @ >> CDrecord does give the messages "Cannot set priority on this  >> OS." and "Fifo not > >> supported." before giving the status information and drive  >> capabilities. >>  	 >> Steve.  >>   >>   >>   >>     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:45:16 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: CD-R Writing.0 Message-ID: <009EE9B0.A223927B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <pHyYOXVMN08Iq5IboXkzfT8WRmOQ@4ax.com>, Jon <jsmyth69@hotmail.com> writes: F >Could you give me a pointer to a page or two on creating your own VMSD >cds?   I've got some home grown utilities we want to distribute and8 >want to know the best way to burn our own CDs.  Thanks!   http://www.tmesis.com/CDrom/  $ http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Aug 2000 12:53:00 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)3 Subject: Re: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces? 3 Message-ID: <qc1xVOOCpsqD@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   a In article <8n4goa$gel@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  > At:  > H >   http://www.openvms.digital.com/solutions/publicsector/coe/index.html > E > there is a Powerpoint presentation and a FAQ concerning the DII COE J > initiative.  After reading through the whole thing either I missed it orK > there was no no explicit mention of either soft links or shells (sh, csh, L > tcsh, bash, etc.) being provided under DII COE.  Can somebody who actually  > knows clarify this situation?   H         I read it just a little while  ago too.  Soft links _are_ there.H     [But  I'd prefer not to go back and find exactly which slide they'reH     on, sorry...] As is Posix.  Doesn't Posix give you the shell supportD     you need (recalling remarks you've made in earlier discussions)?  H         In fact, given Posix, doesn't that satisfy most of your concerns&     in the rest of your post?  Or not?           -Ken -- ?M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edue:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Aug 2000 21:44:52 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)3 Subject: Re: Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces?n, Message-ID: <8n9p8k$klb@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <qc1xVOOCpsqD@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes: > I >        In fact, given Posix, doesn't that satisfy most of your concernsu' >    in the rest of your post?  Or not?5  I "Posix" is a collection of different standards.  I think that it's 1003.2uK that says something about shells and utilities, but exactly what that might1J be I don't know since the standard itself doesn't seem to be laying around9 the web anyplace.  (The IEEE wants to sell copies of it.)A  K The now defunct POSIX subsystem (the Open in OpenVMS) did have "sh" but did J not come has csh.  To the extent that it was "POSIX compatible" that wouldJ seem to indicate that only "sh" is required by the standard.  But a lot ofK software from Unix requires csh as well - so conforming to just "Posix" mayhJ or may not provide all the tools that are required to port real software.    There are indications in j   6    http://disa.dtic.mil/coe/srs/srs_base/toolkit3.pdf   F that DII COE does include csh.  But I'd really like to see someone whoI really knows state explicitly which shell(s), if any, will show up in the F VMS version.  (Like I said before - if this really is a decent portingJ platform Unix shells should build and work within whatever environment theK DII COE provides on OpenVMS.  And if that can't be done, then it isn't suchm a great porting environment!)    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech v   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 01:54:03 -0700 ? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid> & Subject: Re: crmpsc migration question9 Message-ID: <0117241e.0e7893ee@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com>e  : INVARG simply means the arg is invalid - can you give more: details like th elanguage you are using and details of the
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 Mike Price7 All entries are personal opinion and do not necessarilyq represent those of my employer.e8 Any resemblence they have to reality may be coincidental  ; -----------------------------------------------------------A  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.r Up to 100 minutes free!e http://www.keen.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:27:32 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: crmpsc migration questionL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1408001127330001@user-2ive7ji.dialup.mindspring.com>  h In article <3997B9A5.377ED55A@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:    J > If you are mapping something, then on VMS VAX it has to start and end onB > 512 byte boundaries, but on VMS Alpha it has to start and end on > 8192 byte boundaries..    G Not quite.  He might as well get it right once and for all.  All alphaseB up to now have used 8192 byte pages, but larger page sizes will beA used by future alphas.  There's no sense building in future bugs.f  H There is a documented way to get the current system's page size; I think it is a sys$getsyi call, but I don't have time to check.  You should write your program to obtain the actual page size and force the memory region tor be aligned to that granularity.    -- t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 10:46:45 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>d- Subject: Re: DECnet Plus copying time problemsH Message-ID: <y4hf8o1b7u.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  G No, FTP uses TCP and thus has end-to-end error checking. The DECnet FALtM protocol, which is what gets used for DECnet fil transfers, does have anotherhM layer of error checking on top of TCP's equivalent, but it would be incorrecta, to say that FTP "leaves it to the hardware".  J As for the original problem, there are a lot of things that can cause thisG kind of behaviour. One would need detailed information on the types andaK versions of all vontributing hard- and software to form useable hypotheses.    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:37:28 -0500e% From: steve.reiner@logan-aluminum.como Subject: RE: From VMS to NTh@ Message-ID: <8625693B.00664F65.00@LotusSrvr1.Logan-Aluminum.com>   pasmith@ppg.com wrote:C >We are currently a VMS shop running ORACLE 7.3.4 on an alpha 2100.IG >Support for this set up is rapidly getting scarce.  We are considering2G >switching to an NT box running ORACLE 8i.  We currently have about 150 C >dumb terminals on the production floor, which run ORACLE forms for F >getting and displaying data.  These are connected to terminal serversF >that can run TCP/IP.  Does anyone know of a way for dumb terminals toG >communicate with NT?  Or does anyone know of an inexpensive GUI device 9 >that we can use as a replacement for our dumb terminals?   > Although slightly off-topic for a VMS board, you might want toA consider an "NT Terminal Server" implementation.  The inexpensivetH GUI devices would be "thin clients" (i.e. "dumb" network terminals), and: your application sessions would run on the central NT box.C Only the terminal display updates are transmitted over the network.n  B We are implementing this technology with NT v3.51 "Terminal ServerD Edition".  It's my understanding that Windows 2000 incorporates this* terminal server technology out of the box.   Refer toF http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/server/features/default.aspK "Run Windows-based applications on the server, and access from a remote PC, ? Windows-based Terminal or non-Windows device over LANs, WANs ori@ low-bandwidth connections, through terminal emulation software."  J As for the terminal hardware, there are many vendors out there selling the thin client equipment. You might take a look at:y http://www.acpthinclient.com  > For an overview of the thin client technology, take a look at: http://www.thinplanet.como  or  http://www.citrix.com.   Hope this helps.
 Good luck.   Steve Reiner Systems Engineer Logan Aluminum, Inc.  & mailto:steve.reiner@logan-aluminum.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:14:56 +0100p- From: "Rob van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt>  Subject: Re: From VMS to NT + Message-ID: <8n9nev$418$1@venus.telepac.pt>M  F <pasmith@ppg.com> wrote in message news:8n95fe$3j4$1@nnrp1.deja.com...D > We are currently a VMS shop running ORACLE 7.3.4 on an alpha 2100.H > Support for this set up is rapidly getting scarce.  We are consideringH > switching to an NT box running ORACLE 8i.  We currently have about 150D > dumb terminals on the production floor, which run ORACLE forms forG > getting and displaying data.  These are connected to terminal servers G > that can run TCP/IP.  Does anyone know of a way for dumb terminals to2H > communicate with NT?  Or does anyone know of an inexpensive GUI device: > that we can use as a replacement for our dumb terminals?  K As far as I know thhere is no way to run ASCII terminals against NT. If youeG want to continue using them you could either upgrade to Oracle 8.1.6 onhL OpenVMS (yes, that is available now!) or you might continue running SQLforms4 on your VMS-system against an Oracle database on NT.  
 rob van lopiki   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:36:15 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: From VMS to NT 7 Message-ID: <200008142336_MC2-AFAB-7EC2@compuserve.com>e  J         Have you considered upgrading to a more modern Alpha, say a DS20?=  =  J Run VMS V7.2-1 and Oracle 8.1.6 (8i)?  This configuration is supported an= dtJ likely to be so for some time.  VMS 7.3 is due to hit the streets this ye= arD if nothing horrible goes wrong in the field test but 7.2-1 should be# supported for a year or two longer.N  G         For that matter, "support" can mean many things.  OpenVMS/AlphamB V6.2 is still supported in the sense that Compaq will still answer+ questions about how to use it/make it work.pJ What they (probably) won't do is fix any newly discovered bugs.  This is = noF great hardship since most, if not all, of the bugs were discovered and fixed three or four years ago!  D         I'm not really familiar with Oracle's support policies but IJ believe that 8.1.6 will be supported for a while yet (it was just release= dt  for VMS a couple of months ago).  D         What sort of "support" do you think you are going to get for Windows NT??????????    0 Message text written by INTERNET:pasmith@ppg.comC >We are currently a VMS shop running ORACLE 7.3.4 on an alpha 2100. F Support for this set up is rapidly getting scarce.  We are consideringF switching to an NT box running ORACLE 8i.  We currently have about 150B dumb terminals on the production floor, which run ORACLE forms forE getting and displaying data.  These are connected to terminal serversrE that can run TCP/IP.  Does anyone know of a way for dumb terminals tolF communicate with NT?  Or does anyone know of an inexpensive GUI device8 that we can use as a replacement for our dumb terminals? <n   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Aug 2000 15:28:16 GMTF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)' Subject: Re: Gases, Noble and Otherwise * Message-ID: <8n936g$5se@usenet.pa.dec.com>  k In article <8n21ie$7lo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: E >  More than a few sites have discontinued use of these extinguishingtH >  compounds -- a few sites have replaced these systems with total-floodH >  (oxygen displacement) nitrogen or carbon dioxide systems, which will I >  suffocate the fire but will also have, um, interesting properties for  F >  anything that tries to breath within the room.  Well, anything thatE >  is not wearing self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) or other s# >  similar source of breathing air.   A At the telecommunications company I worked at, the computer rooms @ had fairly normal (for the time) gas discharge extinquishers.  IB don't know if they ever used Halon or Freon, I think it was always CO2.  > The wire room (the place where all of the communications lines> came together for interconnection) was thought to need special> protection, so it was in an enclosed space within the enclosed= computer area, with extra security.  There was also a speciali: level of alarms set for that room, and every employee that8 might ever come near the room was told to leave the room; immediately if the alarm ever went off, because it would be < completely floodded with CO2 very rapidly.  The room several: air masks available, and the people who worked in the area@ regularly were trained on how to use them if they somehow didn't= get out of the room quickly enough.  I'm happy to say that ini< the time I was there the equipment was never used (except, I" assume, for testing and training).  = It seems extream, but given that the operation of the companyt; depended upon this room remaining intact, the measures usedy@ seem reasonable.  And they did train all of the people affected.     --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have ai5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:13:32 +0200 4 From: "Andrea Wolf" <wolf.andrea@planet-interkom.de>1 Subject: Re: How to fake a device full situation.a3 Message-ID: <VQdZ7viBAHA.260@fnews2.vi-internet.de>S  
 Try this one:H  ? $ mc sysgen create Disk:[directory]pagefile.sys / size=xxxxxxxxwI Remember: if highwater is enabled for the disk, the above command needs a; longer time to be finished.t   Peters  9 Syltrem <syltrem@videotron.ca> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:a+ BiZk5.1877$Xt3.52589@weber.videotron.net... ( > Have you tried setting up disk quotas?2 > Not exactly the same but may work for your test.K > Enable quotas on a disk and give everyone a huge amount (or unlimited - I@L > don't remember if unlimited is a valid value). Give you test user 3 blocks3 > and start writing stuff logged on with that user.0 >5 > Have fun!C >4	 > Syltremw >e; > CSABA HARANGOZO <csabah@zipworld.com.au> wrote in messagew* > news:8mtps7$fc9$1@nina.pacific.net.au...4 > > Rienk Zwaagstra <r.zwaagstra@elsevier.nl> wrote:F > > > For testing the error handling after a device full I need a full device. K > > > Only I'm not able to fill up a device. Is there an other way like foroK > > > example creating a directory with a size limit or a concealed device?e > >eB > > You haven't mentioned what kind of machine you have, but if it4 > > has a floppy drive, you could do the following :B > > Chuck in a floppy into drive, initialize it ( with /DENSI=HIGHA > > or something similar ), mount it, COPY it full of file(s) ands  > > there you go, a full device. > > Cheers, Csabaz > >a > H   ----------------------------------------------------------------------I > >    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog>I > >    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.o >fH   ----------------------------------------------------------------------? > >    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:h >d >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:27:12 -0400e4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>1 Subject: RE: How to fake a device full situation. J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D850566822D@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0062E.09D2C3A6S Content-Type: text/plain;> 	charset="iso-8859-1"-  K Dont do that if your statement that "you can NOT fill up the disk" is true..     -----Original Message-----9 From: Andrea Wolf [mailto:wolf.andrea@planet-interkom.de]3 Sent: August 14, 2000 4:14 PMt To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComT1 Subject: Re: How to fake a device full situation.     
 Try this one:e  ? $ mc sysgen create Disk:[directory]pagefile.sys / size=xxxxxxxxgI Remember: if highwater is enabled for the disk, the above command needs ae longer time to be finished.T   Peter   9 Syltrem <syltrem@videotron.ca> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:o+ BiZk5.1877$Xt3.52589@weber.videotron.net...t( > Have you tried setting up disk quotas?2 > Not exactly the same but may work for your test.K > Enable quotas on a disk and give everyone a huge amount (or unlimited - ILL > don't remember if unlimited is a valid value). Give you test user 3 blocks3 > and start writing stuff logged on with that user.o >e > Have fun!t >e	 > Syltreml >p; > CSABA HARANGOZO <csabah@zipworld.com.au> wrote in messageg* > news:8mtps7$fc9$1@nina.pacific.net.au...4 > > Rienk Zwaagstra <r.zwaagstra@elsevier.nl> wrote:F > > > For testing the error handling after a device full I need a full device.tK > > > Only I'm not able to fill up a device. Is there an other way like for K > > > example creating a directory with a size limit or a concealed device?  > > B > > You haven't mentioned what kind of machine you have, but if it4 > > has a floppy drive, you could do the following :B > > Chuck in a floppy into drive, initialize it ( with /DENSI=HIGHA > > or something similar ), mount it, COPY it full of file(s) ando  > > there you go, a full device. > > Cheers, Csabal > >o > H   ----------------------------------------------------------------------I > >    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog I > >    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.i > H   ----------------------------------------------------------------------? > >    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:5 >  >       ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0062E.09D2C3A6- Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"-+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableC  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">- <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =t charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
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[N]:</FONT>b <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT> </P> <BR>   </BODY>e </HTML>a) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0062E.09D2C3A6--d   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:25:41 GMTs From: jlodom@amherst.edu Subject: LN03 Printer Issues) Message-ID: <39983666@amhnt2.amherst.edu>-  P Hello all. I'm testing a couple of old LN03 printers we have around the office,  and I've got a few questions:   C 	1. Is it possible to use these on a Windows box? Win 9x comes with.C 	   a LN03R Scriptwriter driver, which was adequate to print out a OC 	   test page to see if the printer worked. However, the base modeleE 	   LN03, which is what I have, doesn't support postscript and so theCD 	   test page was just the PS code. I don't want to run Pathworks orD 	   anything like that, I just want to have the printer connected to< 	   COM2 (the connection already in place) and print direct.  ? 	2. One of the two printers keeps reporting a back-end misfeed. B 	   There is, of course, no such misfeed and I've been around withI 	   tweezers and compressed air to make sure that there are no particles,i- 	   etc. lying around and blocking something.aB 	   (Symbol on printer looks roughly like this: %E) I suspect if IC 	   could disable the sensor or even figure out which sensor it wasaE 	   I could probably fix it. Anybody know anything about this sort of  	   problem on this model?  D 	3. Finally, is there anyone who still buys or has any use for theseB 	   printers? I'd be willing to donate one or both to a charitableD 	   organization or sell them used to a commercial one. The one I've@ 	   been able to test is in wonderful condition--perfect output.? 	   (Come to think of it, I make take one home and put it on myd> 	    hobbyist box--is there a hobbyist license for Pathworks?)  : As always, many thanks to the space marines in this group.   --Johnnie Odom   CEDt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:12:39 -0500l) From: Mike Drabicky <drabicky#dallas.net>   Subject: Re: LN03 Printer Issues8 Message-ID: <58kgps0b61o0ccdma3rr8dmqlhakt2t6gu@4ax.com>  ; On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:25:41 GMT, jlodom@amherst.edu wrote:w  Q >Hello all. I'm testing a couple of old LN03 printers we have around the office, a >and I've got a few questions: >iD >	1. Is it possible to use these on a Windows box? Win 9x comes withD >	   a LN03R Scriptwriter driver, which was adequate to print out a D >	   test page to see if the printer worked. However, the base modelF >	   LN03, which is what I have, doesn't support postscript and so theE >	   test page was just the PS code. I don't want to run Pathworks ornE >	   anything like that, I just want to have the printer connected toa= >	   COM2 (the connection already in place) and print direct.  >r  A Try using PrintKit from http://www.nls.com (there's a 30 day free A trial available). It allows you to print to many printers on yournB VAX/Alpha from your PC. If you don't want Pathworks, try Samba. ItA works okay but you have to fuss with it much more than Pathworks.n  @ >	2. One of the two printers keeps reporting a back-end misfeed.C >	   There is, of course, no such misfeed and I've been around withoJ >	   tweezers and compressed air to make sure that there are no particles,. >	   etc. lying around and blocking something.C >	   (Symbol on printer looks roughly like this: %E) I suspect if I D >	   could disable the sensor or even figure out which sensor it wasF >	   I could probably fix it. Anybody know anything about this sort of >	   problem on this model?r ><  E Sometimes you need internal electronics fixed. I had this on a number1> of old LN03s. The situation was only remedied by hardware fix.  E >	3. Finally, is there anyone who still buys or has any use for theseaC >	   printers? I'd be willing to donate one or both to a charitableyE >	   organization or sell them used to a commercial one. The one I'verA >	   been able to test is in wonderful condition--perfect output. @ >	   (Come to think of it, I make take one home and put it on my? >	    hobbyist box--is there a hobbyist license for Pathworks?)  >p  E There probably are but these printers are so old and cranky that veryuC people will put up with them. You can try http://www.glcomp.com/ tod> see if they have an interest. We've purchased lots of used DEC> equipment from them with, by in large, uniformly good results.  
 Mike Drabicky    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:38:03 +100080 From: "Christine Ricketts" <u1276a@unite.com.au>  Subject: Re: LN03 Printer Issues/ Message-ID: <8na10b$elh$1@thebe.syd.dav.net.au>d  I <jlodom@amherst.edu> wrote in message news:39983666@amhnt2.amherst.edu...wI > Hello all. I'm testing a couple of old LN03 printers we have around theA office,  > and I've got a few questions:h >s2 > 1. Is it possible to use these on a Windows box?4 ........I just want to have the printer connected to= >    COM2 (the connection already in place) and print direct.c  B Yes, there were Windows 3.1x drivers that I've seen run on Win 95.< [search] Found the disk, will try email select files to you.= WARNING!  Great for Generic Text Printing, slow as a wet weeke? for graphics and fonts other than courier 10.  (Max 38400 bps.)r  @ > 2. One of the two printers keeps reporting a back-end misfeed.  A Well known problem.  Output sensor does not detect paper passing.D8 Never tried repairing as I've got a stack of the beasts.  E > 3. Finally, is there anyone who still buys or has any use for thesen >    printers?  4 Magnificent printer in their day.  Rugged, Reliable.? Time has made them fragile, eg. back sensor, blowing PS's, etc. 0 Cost of consumables makes them uneconomic today." Take them home and love them.  :-)   > --Johnnie Odom  
 Andy Stewart.g  ? PS.  I've just remembered a story concerning the implementation < of the SECV's All-in-1 system.  People trained in classroom,: one LN03 printer at the back, lecturer distributed prints.< User gets back to office, rings up, "paper comes out blank!"9 Dave McMorran furrows brow and, with great insight, tellst< user to turn page over.  She'd never seen a printer that put< the pages face down in order before, was used to Daisy Wheel: printers which store the output nearly vertical, face out, reverse order.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:36:13 -0400t2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>  Subject: Re: LN03 Printer Issues7 Message-ID: <200008142336_MC2-AFAB-7EC1@compuserve.com>p  9         Thirteen years ago, the LN03 was a great printer!e  E         Most people have retired these dinosaurs.  They are slow, low J resolution, and expensive to maintain.  There is little reason, other tha= nf+ nostalgia, for anyone to keep them running.i  E         It's possible to use them on NT or almost anything else.  ThelH effort required is out of proportion to any benefit you might gain.  TheJ effort would probably include writing a "driver" for just about any flavo= ri of Windows you care to name.  ;         Get someone to help you get them into the dumpster.i  3 Message text written by INTERNET:jlodom@amherst.eduoH >Hello all. I'm testing a couple of old LN03 printers we have around the	 office, =a   and I've got a few questions:o  J         1. Is it possible to use these on a Windows box? Win 9x comes wit= hsJ            a LN03R Scriptwriter driver, which was adequate to print out a=  =  J            test page to see if the printer worked. However, the base mode= l-H            LN03, which is what I have, doesn't support postscript and so thetJ            test page was just the PS code. I don't want to run Pathworks = orJ            anything like that, I just want to have the printer connected = toC            COM2 (the connection already in place) and print direct.r  F         2. One of the two printers keeps reporting a back-end misfeed.J            There is, of course, no such misfeed and I've been around with=  E            tweezers and compressed air to make sure that there are nos
 particles,4            etc. lying around and blocking something.J            (Symbol on printer looks roughly like this: %E) I suspect if I=  J            could disable the sensor or even figure out which sensor it wa= seJ            I could probably fix it. Anybody know anything about this sort=   of!            problem on this model?c  J         3. Finally, is there anyone who still buys or has any use for the= seJ            printers? I'd be willing to donate one or both to a charitable=  J            organization or sell them used to a commercial one. The one I'= veG            been able to test is in wonderful condition--perfect output.IF            (Come to think of it, I make take one home and put it on myE             hobbyist box--is there a hobbyist license for Pathworks?)   : As always, many thanks to the space marines in this group. <e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:26:59 -0400l- From: Niranjan Rajaghatta <hemanir@yahoo.com>o" Subject: Re: Mass adding of users?) Message-ID: <39987232.71CE2376@yahoo.com>   < On the other hand, why would there be "mass" users for VMS ?   -RSN   "Boyle, Darren" wrote:  L > This should be extremely simple to write a command file to do this for youK > that can run in batch.  All you need is a file with all of their names inaA > and a scheme that will assign the usernames without duplicates.  >-L > Alternatively why not just create USER1, USER2, USER3 etc and assign theseI > to the students every year, you'll never have to create another account- > again. >-N > the UAF already contains a template account called DEFAULT or you can create3 > your own then use COPY  TEMPLATE  USER1/UIC=.....d
 > - Darren >a > > ----------G > > From:         Don.Carlton@Citadel.edu[SMTP:Don.Carlton@Citadel.edu]s2 > > Sent:         Monday, August 14, 2000 10:43 AM > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms' > > Subject:      Mass adding of users?i > > G > > I'm sure this has come up before but, can't find a reference in thecE > > archives. We are beginning a new semester soon and will be addingTE > > several hundred new students. We have been using a product calledrK > > Manager that is no longer supported. This allows us to add 8 users at aPH > > time. It creates their account with a new uic member number, createsG > > their directory and sets up quota for them.  I am curious how otherlF > > schools are handling new account creation. I have seen several comI > > procedures that will create an account but they do them one at a timeeJ > > interactively. What I would like is something that will add at least a< > > hundred users at a time. Maybe using a template account? > >  > >x* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.d > >n >iH > **********************************************************************E > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andtL > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.O > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theycM > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, D > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.K > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying   > of this message is prohibited. >w > Bank of Bermuda H > **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:10:27 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>e" Subject: Re: Mass adding of users?. Message-ID: <sph60ijlkn923@corp.supernews.com>  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messagem# news:3998060C.38ABCEAF@gtech.com...r4 > If you have to create the users for PathWorks with3 > PathWorks 5.x, then it is another matter. The NETi > commands are su f***ing slow.n >h  F That is why for Pathworks 5.x, I used the unsupported and undocumented LMUSER and LMSHARE commands.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:45:26 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>" Subject: Re: Mass adding of users?' Message-ID: <FzB8vr.IFs@spcuna.spc.edu>i   Don.Carlton@citadel.edu writes: E > I'm sure this has come up before but, can't find a reference in thedC > archives. We are beginning a new semester soon and will be addingpC > several hundred new students. We have been using a product called I > Manager that is no longer supported. This allows us to add 8 users at auF > time. It creates their account with a new uic member number, createsE > their directory and sets up quota for them.  I am curious how othermD > schools are handling new account creation. I have seen several comG > procedures that will create an account but they do them one at a time@H > interactively. What I would like is something that will add at least a: > hundred users at a time. Maybe using a template account?  G   15 years or so ago, I investigated what was out there and didn't find I anything I liked, so I cobbled up some programs to do what I needed. TheydI probably aren't general-purpose enough to meet your needs, but I just put G them up on my web server for you to look at. We handle batches of up tof$ about 1000 adds at a time with them.  J   The basic idea is that we get a list of students/faculty/administrators/I etc. from our Information Services group, which includes their full name,aK SSN, and type-specific information (year of graduation for students, officerH phone for faculty, etc.) This file is then fed to the MAKE program whichJ spits out command files to create the UAF entry, create the directory, addI a quota entry, etc. It also populates a RMS file which can be viewed withmG the USERINFO DCL procedure, and which is used by the DESTROY program toeJ delete expired accounts. This was a set of quick-n-dirty hacks written 10+J years ago, and which I've never gotten around to cleaning up (and, since IA don't work for SPC any more, will probably never get cleaned up).d  I   I used command procedures instead of directly performing the operationssJ for a number of reasons - first, there's no supported interface for addingJ a UAF entry, and also this way if something goes wrong, you're not commit-K ted to continuing - you can stop the step that had the problem, fix it, ando re-run.e     Files:  '   http://www.tmk.com/transient/make.basc*   http://www.tmk.com/transient/destroy.basM   http://www.tmk.com/transient/userinfo.dcl (renamed to .dcl to make browsersr 					     happy).v  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com-5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:36:11 -0400l2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>" Subject: Re: Mass adding of users?7 Message-ID: <200008142336_MC2-AFAB-7EC0@compuserve.com>f  J         I don't know of any well known/widely used procedure for this.  A=  J bare bones procedure is simple enough to write.  Creating  the accounts i= s H trivial.  Creating a system that would satisfy everyone involved is not.  J         The problems to be solved would include: creating a unique userna= meJ for each student, verifying that "John Doe" really is a student entitled = toH an account, distributing the newly assigned usernames and passwords in aB secure fashion, assigning default disk drives with some regard forJ available space, and support for non-standard accounts.  The foregoing li= st is probably just the beginning!r    8 Message text written by INTERNET:Don.Carlton@Citadel.eduD >I'm sure this has come up before but, can't find a reference in theA archives. We are beginning a new semester soon and will be addinghA several hundred new students. We have been using a product calledPG Manager that is no longer supported. This allows us to add 8 users at aiD time. It creates their account with a new uic member number, createsC their directory and sets up quota for them.  I am curious how otherrB schools are handling new account creation. I have seen several comE procedures that will create an account but they do them one at a timeaF interactively. What I would like is something that will add at least a8 hundred users at a time. Maybe using a template account? <o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 05:21:48 GMTe) From: mymail@hotmail.com (Balexi Yurguat)w Subject: MV3100 3 Message-ID: <Mr4m5.3349$Ds1.14629@jekyl.ab.tac.net>   N Need info on restoring a VMS image on a warm standby MV3100. I have my TK50's P  with a VMS saveset ready to be restored but have no info on the native console E commands and how to use them to restore it. Any help would be really o appreciated.   Thanks     Colin    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:10:19 GMTi/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>f% Subject: OpenVMS Patches Mailing List ) Message-ID: <399827FB.208C741C@uiowa.edu>b  E Has anyone be getting the e-mail (individual or digest) from Compaq'siH mailing list for OpenVMS ECOs and patches?  I used to get them long ago,D but they quit many months (year?) ago and then I saw someone commentE that Compaq/Digital had acknowledged a problem and it was about to bey fixed.  E I have added my name to the mailing list several times (maybe this isND the problem?) but never get anything except the mailing list servers& (Majordomo in the past and now Lyris).  / Anyone else have any problems or is it just me?    rick -- nH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:26:55 GMTn= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) # Subject: Re: OpenVMS TCP ports list 0 Message-ID: <009EE962.A1FB1833@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <0ISl5.1335$7_5.56551@weber.videotron.net>, "Daniel Leblanc" <d_leblanc@videotron.ca> writes: >Hi every body!d >lH >I need to know where i can find a tcp/ip port list for open vms system. >c/ >The port i need to know is 2137 and port 1415.T >  >Thank you.a >8 >Daniel   I *IF* these are registered numbers, you can find their IANA assignment at:   9 http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:49:27 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMSware+ Message-ID: <39981507.355942@tsoft-inc.com>t   Joseph Gill wrote: > J > Does anyone know if Compaq has an OpenVMSware web site where you can buyD > cool OpenVMS shirts, hats, mugs, etc simular to Sun's Sunware site  > (http://www.sun.com/sunware/)?  L Should such an activity happen, are there any opinions on what type of itemsK would be popular?  If a good group of suggestions was compiled, it would beeN better to suggest such a site ALONG WITH what it should sell.  Otherwise you'dO be left with whatever a DEC/Compaq marketing person came up with.  I'd bet thata5 the users might come up with better slogans and such.t   Dave   -- ,4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:39:27 +0000 (   )s3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>u Subject: Re: OpenVMSwareJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10008141830010.11561-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  * On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, David A Froble wrote:  L > > Does anyone know if Compaq has an OpenVMSware web site where you can buyF > > cool OpenVMS shirts, hats, mugs, etc simular to Sun's Sunware site" > > (http://www.sun.com/sunware/)?  N > Should such an activity happen, are there any opinions on what type of itemsM > would be popular?  If a good group of suggestions was compiled, it would beEP > better to suggest such a site ALONG WITH what it should sell.  Otherwise you'dQ > be left with whatever a DEC/Compaq marketing person came up with.  I'd bet thatM7 > the users might come up with better slogans and such.t  ? Well, I, for one, would love to have a VMS t-shirt.  Some otherED suggestions would be pens, mousepads, denim jackets (See the ovationB guitar denim jacket, if they still have it, it's very well done.),9 posters, bumper stickers (OpenVMS: I brake for nothing.).   C How about a set of static stickers that says: This machine was lastTC offline <month>,<day>,<year> due to (power failure, hardware fault,:J software fault).  You could stick this to your VMS machines, with the timeG and reason for the last downtime, and see how many people accuse you ofg
 exaggerating.1   ChrisT  O ===============================================================================t@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W ProgrammerZ Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.r% -------------------------------------xI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and,H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 /O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:25:07 GMT. From: jlodom@amherst.edu Subject: Re: OpenVMSware) Message-ID: <39984454@amhnt2.amherst.edu>N  * In Article <39981507.355942@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >Joseph Gill wrote:  >> dK >> Does anyone know if Compaq has an OpenVMSware web site where you can buyIE >> cool OpenVMS shirts, hats, mugs, etc simular to Sun's Sunware sitet! >> (http://www.sun.com/sunware/)?  >EM >Should such an activity happen, are there any opinions on what type of itemsNL >would be popular?  If a good group of suggestions was compiled, it would beO >better to suggest such a site ALONG WITH what it should sell.  Otherwise you'dtP >be left with whatever a DEC/Compaq marketing person came up with.  I'd bet that6 >the users might come up with better slogans and such.   Hmmm ... a few slogan ideasa  : 	VMS: Because thermonuclear war is no excuse for downtime.  B (T-shirt idea: Front of shirt is picture of a Vax 11 with DEC logoH 	       Back of shirt says, "My other CPU is an ALPHA" with Compaq logo)  < 	Back to the Vaxcave! (Posted by someone in this newsgroup).  D 	And of course, there are slogans involving the various wordplays onB 	Vax and Alpha--Vaxcorcist, Alpha Male, VMS Wars, and the Amherst C 	College favorite (based on our habit of staying on all day reading&G 	plans via a "planwatch" program): vaxsterbation. That last is probablyi 	non-T-shirtable.N   --Johnnie Odom   CEDT   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 19:00:18 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)t Subject: Re: OpenVMSware+ Message-ID: <B4mxENYtW8sJ@eisner.decus.org>>  X In article <39981507.355942@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Joseph Gill wrote: >> 2K >> Does anyone know if Compaq has an OpenVMSware web site where you can buyFE >> cool OpenVMS shirts, hats, mugs, etc simular to Sun's Sunware site ! >> (http://www.sun.com/sunware/)?, > N > Should such an activity happen, are there any opinions on what type of items > would be popular?&   Condist-
 Listings kits-
 Patch kits  ( all to result in sending physical media.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:13:02 +0100a* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>/ Subject: Re: OT: Re: Gases, Noble and OtherwiseN+ Message-ID: <8n8k83$kbk@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>n  T "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote in messageB news:y4em3s1aqi.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...  O > To get nearer to the original subject, I agree with Charlie Matco's reasoning-N > that it would have been reasonable - given the general exceptions granted toO > developing countries - to include an exception for Halon in its use as a fireBO > extinguisher/retardent. It's quite superior to CO2 or Argon for this use, andYP > the amount leaked can't be significant compared to all sources for CFCs in the > environment.  P It's technically not a CFC, since it doesn't contain chlorine. However, it turnsM out to be an even (~16x) more effective ozone destroyer. This will change theu mathematics somewhat...w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:05:00 +0200s4 From: "Andrea Wolf" <wolf.andrea@planet-interkom.de> Subject: Re: PCM / CommandIT3 Message-ID: <kt7DQriBAHA.178@fnews2.vi-internet.de>g   Phil,i  6 I have tested and installed CLIM from KI Networks Inc.E It works similar to PCM, you can import the whole stuff from the PCM.p8 CLIM is running under VMS, a lot of UNIXes and under NT.L After succesfull test-phase I migrated my whole PCM Environment within 1 dayB to the CLIM with the same and in some points better functionality.  " Try www.ki.com for a demo license.  
 Peter Wolf  D Boyle, Darren <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:@ 9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE7EA@bdant027.bda.bobda.com... > Phil,  > E > In my opinion (& without prejudice), STAY AWAY from any CA product.sK > You may want to investigate RoboCentral (Direct Console Connections usingfI > Serial from DS90 which is IP based and can be used from a PC).  I wouldnE > investigate (as a complete BRS alternative) DTCS, Disaster Toleranti ClusternC > Services from Compaq.  You may be able to obtain information froml. > DTCS-SUPPORT@COMPAQ.COM or the Q's web site.
 > - Darren >  > > ----------7 > > From: pmart63@my-deja.com[SMTP:pmart63@my-deja.com]s+ > > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 8:51 AM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comk > > Subject: PCM / CommandIT > >h
 > > Hello,K > >     currently using Polycentre Console Manager (PCM) on Alpha VMS V7.1. I > > Effectively being forced to go to CA's CommandIT if I want to upgrade-D > > OS. Demo run of product reveals licensing problem and CA are notK > > entirely filling me with confidence as regards resolution. Anybody know5K > > of any other product that runs on alpha VMS V7.1 AND above with similarTG > > (if not the same) functionality as PCM? Please let me know. Thanks.N > >i > > Phil M.  > >d > >o* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.  > >e >e >oH > **********************************************************************E > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andrL > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.J > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyB > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended
 recipient,D > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.K > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyinga  > of this message is prohibited. >t > Bank of BermudayH > ********************************************************************** >k   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:35:27 -0400o# From: Tom Brand <Tom.Brand@bmc.org>b Subject: PMDF & SMTP relay2 Message-ID: <p04320407b5bde6a49299@[155.41.21.61]>  E I'm trying to help someone out here who is a Unix admin but has been a" handed an old VAX server to "fix".      " VMS  5.5-2,  running UCX with PMDF     GENEPI$ ucx show version7    Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V4.0 1    on a VAXstation 4000-60 running OpenVMS V5.5-2l   $ pmdf version, %PMDF-I-VERSION, PMDF version is PMDF V5.1-76          VAXstation 4000-60 running OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2H          PMDF_SHARE_LIBRARY version V5.1-7; linked 09:10:41, Feb 11 1997    @ There is only one user on this box, and they will be moving the 9 application(s)/user to a different server/OS sometime....o    D Of immediate concern is that they are getting used as a SPAM relay. E Is there an easy way for them to shutdown incoming SMTP email to any r but one user account?y  C We are going to try to re-route his mail to another server (via MX .E records and aliases). If successful, how do I shutdown incoming SMTP i in UCX?e  F I have no documentation for UCX or PMDF ....  Just trying to help out % here, so please spare me the RTFMs ;)n   -- e  E +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++e Thomas Brand System Administrator Boston Medical Centers Email:	Tom.Brand@bmc.org Phone:	(617) 638-8205e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:34:54 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>r Subject: Re: PMDF & SMTP relay+ Message-ID: <399849DE.704A6BD2@hsc.vcu.edu>i  F contact support@innosoft.com, they handle pmdf, and they have a FAQ on this..   jimi   Tom Brand wrote: > F > I'm trying to help someone out here who is a Unix admin but has been$ > handed an old VAX server to "fix". > $ > VMS  5.5-2,  running UCX with PMDF >  > GENEPI$ ucx show version9 >    Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V4.0e3 >    on a VAXstation 4000-60 running OpenVMS V5.5-2u >  > $ pmdf version. > %PMDF-I-VERSION, PMDF version is PMDF V5.1-78 >          VAXstation 4000-60 running OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2J >          PMDF_SHARE_LIBRARY version V5.1-7; linked 09:10:41, Feb 11 1997 > A > There is only one user on this box, and they will be moving thea; > application(s)/user to a different server/OS sometime...., > E > Of immediate concern is that they are getting used as a SPAM relay.mF > Is there an easy way for them to shutdown incoming SMTP email to any > but one user account?, > D > We are going to try to re-route his mail to another server (via MXF > records and aliases). If successful, how do I shutdown incoming SMTP	 > in UCX?t > G > I have no documentation for UCX or PMDF ....  Just trying to help outv' > here, so please spare me the RTFMs ;), >  > -- > G > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++d > Thomas Brand > System Administrator > Boston Medical Centers > Email:  Tom.Brand@bmc.orgi > Phone:  (617) 638-8205   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:31:16 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e/ Subject: Re: Q: source listings vs. source code 0 Message-ID: <009EE963.3DCF7711@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <y4punc54md.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:@ >system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes: > O >> >Not easy to answer. Tools exist to strip away the "junk" a listing contains1; >> @@  ------------------------------------------------^^^^NL >> Obviously you have _no_ appreciation for the usefulness of these listings@ >> or for the output listings generated by a compilation on VMS! >kG >Calm down, Brian, and don't jump to conclusions. Of course I know whateF >a listing is good for, and appreciate their existance. In fact, I wasH >unpleasantly surprised to learn that most non-VMS compilers do not haveK >that ability, and have written a cross compiler on VMS that produces same. 9 >I've even spent uncounted nights reading them. So there!o >nJ >Nonetheless, from the point of view of the compiler, the listing containsK >mostly junk. I really had thought putting the word in quotes was enough toc* >not trigger (badly) conditioned reflexes. >f >	Jang   Jan,  D I would have expected you to choose a better metaphor for describingE the compiler output than "junk".  I responded such that the original fD poster (and lurkers) would not get the impression from the term that5 you chose that the crux of these listings are "junk".h   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:13:15 GMTn) From: "David Betz" <dbetz@xlisper.mv.com>  Subject: RD51 vs. RD53; Message-ID: <%7Tl5.6514$pu4.511792@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>I  L I recently aquired a MicroVAX III that contains an RD54 and two RD53 drives.J However, the 'show devices' command in VMS shows the RD54 and one RD53 butK shows the other RD53 as an RD51. I know it is an RD53 because it says so on-F the label on the side of the drive. Why would VMS think it is an RD51?   Thanks,h
 David Betz   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:35:25 +0100.5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk>  Subject: Re: RD51 vs. RD53/ Message-ID: <8n9meb$gfr$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>r  H Maybe the 'RD53' was taken from a machine where it had been formatted onH an RQDX1 or RQDX2 controller. The RD54 has to be on an RQDX3 controller.G The format for the disc is different between the RQDX1/2 and the RQDX3.i9 Try re-formatting the rogue RD53 on the RQDX3 controller.:    
 with regards,i   Adrian   --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk      2 David Betz <dbetz@xlisper.mv.com> wrote in message5 news:%7Tl5.6514$pu4.511792@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... F > I recently aquired a MicroVAX III that contains an RD54 and two RD53 drives.iH > However, the 'show devices' command in VMS shows the RD54 and one RD53 butmG > shows the other RD53 as an RD51. I know it is an RD53 because it saysu so on H > the label on the side of the drive. Why would VMS think it is an RD51? >L	 > Thanks,n > David Betz >y >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:59:11 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: Re: RD51 vs. RD53O Message-ID: <5D2688016A2838E3.31941BDF99D1CB6F.C3B5A5333C764E5F@lp.airnews.net>    David Betz wrote:8 > N > I recently aquired a MicroVAX III that contains an RD54 and two RD53 drives.L > However, the 'show devices' command in VMS shows the RD54 and one RD53 butM > shows the other RD53 as an RD51. I know it is an RD53 because it says so on1H > the label on the side of the drive. Why would VMS think it is an RD51?  ( Are you able to access the drive at all?  F This is going back aways, so I may be misremembering, but I think that@ the RQDX3 doesn't really know what the drive is until it reads a# configuration block from the drive.   > If I remember correctly, a RD53 that doesn't spin up (thus its; configuration data can't be read) is identified as an RD51.   
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------A$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com e   Fax: 817-237-3074A   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:59:38 +0200a5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>b Subject: Re: STOP/ID, Message-ID: <3997D11A.22DE687@whitehouse.nl>   trdorr@my-deja.com wrote:   C > So when a user tries to do  a STOP/ID they get the above message.rB > Then define a command such as  STOPIT the does the same thing as
 > STOP/ID.  H If you can, you could try to modify this application to set the nodeleteE bit on the process. This way the user will get an error message. Justl6 try to stop/id the net$acp process to see what I mean.   Oswald   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Aug 2000 00:39:36 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.)p Subject: Re: STOP/ID: Message-ID: <20000814203936.04101.00001911@ng-fi1.aol.com>  K << If you can, you could try to modify this application to set the nodelete  bit on the process.  >>   ) The cure may be worse than the disease...     B /****************************************************************/   /*								*/   /* 			   S   T   P				*/   /*								*/  B /* A new high in XXX design.  Ingestion makes everything lucid. */  = /* XXX employs user mode spin locks to serialize access to	*/e  ; /* shared resources.  Unanticipated process termination		*/0  ? /* (user ctrl-Y, DCL STOP, EXEC delprc, may leave a resource	*/   A /* permanently locked.	These routines attempt to provide part 	*/u  < /* of a solution by enabling the user to make his process	*/  B /* nondeletable.  This works for STOP, SYS$EXIT, SYS$FORCEX and	*/  A /* SYS$DELPRC.  It does not work for CTRL-Y or C.  Out of band	*/o  ' /* AST catchers will be required!				*/i  
 /* 								*/    /* WARNING:							*/  ? /* Privileged kernel mode software.  These routines can have	*/u  < /* terrible side affects.  Users may find themselves with	*/  A /* processes that can not be deleted, making reboot necessary.	*/   = /* Aborting an interactive process set no delete can cause	*/   A /* loginout to execute forever consuming huge amnounts of CPU.	*/e  
 /* 								*/t   /* WARNING:							*/  A /* PCB is not locked when modified.  If this becomes a problem	*/n  & /* will have to take out a lock.				*/   /*								*/   /* WARNING:							*/  < /* USE EXTREME CAUTION!  Only use these routines if there	*/   /* are no alternatives.						*/f   /*								*/  ! /* Creation Date: 04/15/97					*/t   /*								*/   /* Revision History:						*/   /*								*/  B /****************************************************************/       /*  - $cc/list stp+alpha$library:sys$lib_c.tlb/librt  # $link/sysexe 'your program obj',stpm   */      . #include <pcbdef.h>	/* YIPPEE TY OH I AYYYE */   #include <starlet.h>   #include <ssdef.h>                  B /****************************************************************/   /*								*/  # /*		     u n s t o p p a b l e			*/s   /*								*/  ? /* Private kernel mode routine called by f_stp_unstoppable()	*/1  8 /* Turn on (WHEE!) callers NO DELETE PCB status bit.		*/  B /****************************************************************/   static int unstoppable()   {   7   /* turn PCB status bit for no delete on  (set bit) */e   #pragma nostandard     globalref ctl$gl_pcb;5   #pragma standard     PCB *p = (PCB *) ctl$gl_pcb;          p->pcb$l_sts |= PCB$M_NODELET;     return(SS$_NORMAL);s   }i                  B /****************************************************************/   /*								*/  ! /*		     s t o p p a b l e 				*/u   /*								*/  = /* Private kernel mode routine called by f_stp_stoppable()	*/a  ; /* Turn off (BOO HISS) callers NO DELETE PCB status bit.	*/N   /*								*/  B /****************************************************************/   static int stoppable()   {W  9   /* turn PCB status bit for no delete off (clear bit) */t   #pragma nostandard     globalref ctl$gl_pcb;    #pragma standard     PCB *p = (PCB *) ctl$gl_pcb;      !   p->pcb$l_sts &= ~PCB$M_NODELET;d     return(SS$_NORMAL);r   }l              B /****************************************************************/   /*								*/  / /*	      f _ s t p _ u n s t o p p a b l e			*/s   /*								*/  ; /* Public routine to make callers process non deletable.	*/s  7 /* Returns: system status, SS$_NORMAL or SS$_NOPRIV		*/    /*								*/  B /****************************************************************/   int f_stp_unstoppable()b   {o  '   return( sys$cmkrnl( unstoppable, 0));    }s              B /****************************************************************/   /*								*/  . /*	         f _ s t p _ s t o p p a b l e			*/   /*								*/  ; /* Public routine to make callers process non deletable.	*/r  7 /* Returns: system status, SS$_NORMAL or SS$_NOPRIV		*/E   /*								*/  B /****************************************************************/   int f_stp_stoppable()w   {:  %   return( sys$cmkrnl( stoppable, 0));o   }o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:08:31 GMTM4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>4 Subject: Re: Supersleuth Tells All, Make 10K A Month< Message-ID: <jdZl5.26999$NH2.225321@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  . <D1VX562dv@GWDG-HPOV.gwdg.de> wrote in message! news:957COyc9wq8@[203.74.60.5]... K > Oprah, Nightline, Maria Shriver, 48 Hours, 20/20, Playboy, Kiplingers and L more have all interviewed this famous Private Investigator. Now, you too can? make substantial income using his highly sought- after SECRETS.@  + Yeah, right. Another Charlie Matco wannabe.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:28:27 GMT1- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>m0 Subject: Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1)( Message-ID: <39981E24.A113C194@ohio.edu>   from a privileged account:  E $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM:  (or have appropriate logical name defined)- $ MCR AUTHORIZEc  7 UAF>  MODIFY username/PASS=whatevernewpassword/NOPWDEXPr                           RDP2     "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote:  	 > Hi All!aQ >         How I can set for a parttculary user a password in plain text in SYSUAF , > ? I can't find anything in AUTHORIZE help. >a >         TIA. >r > -- > Regards, Ruslan.H > +.....................pure personal opinion..........................+D >     Free & commercial software for ISP -> HTTP://WWW.RadiusVMS.COM6 >         Cel:+7 (901) 971-3222, Fax:+7 (812) 115-1035   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:56:55 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s0 Subject: Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1)0 Message-ID: <009EE988.5A38A52E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <39982ee5@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:AY >In article <39981E24.A113C194@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:  >>from a privileged account: >>G >>$ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM:  (or have appropriate logical name defined)  >>$ MCR AUTHORIZEi >>9 >>UAF>  MODIFY username/PASS=whatevernewpassword/NOPWDEXPg > H >As I understand Ruslan's question is that he wants to keep the password5 >in plaintext in SYSUAF and this is AFAIK impossible.n  F Supplant $HASH_PASSWORD with one of your own device and have is outputF the password it is fed to the output.  The password is normally hashedG to a 64 bit value (8 bytes) and therefore the password would need to beoH restricted in length.  If you were a really good VMS kernel mode hacker,G you could code this such that the original $HASH_PASSWORD functionalityeG would be retained and your new plain-text password could be selectivelyn) enabled via the UAF /ALGORITHM qualifier.A  5 >I don't think that he is a newbie system manager ;-)r  . Nope but he may be a newbie system programmer.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:01:44 -0400 3 From: Jeff Goodwin <jgoodwin@spf.fairchildsemi.com>e0 Subject: Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1)5 Message-ID: <39985028.D3601BE8@spf.fairchildsemi.com>s  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  W > In article <39982ee5@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:i[ > >In article <39981E24.A113C194@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:  > >>from a privileged account: > >>I > >>$ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM:  (or have appropriate logical name defined)e > >>$ MCR AUTHORIZEi > >>; > >>UAF>  MODIFY username/PASS=whatevernewpassword/NOPWDEXPt > >iJ > >As I understand Ruslan's question is that he wants to keep the password7 > >in plaintext in SYSUAF and this is AFAIK impossible.* >*H > Supplant $HASH_PASSWORD with one of your own device and have is outputH > the password it is fed to the output.  The password is normally hashedI > to a 64 bit value (8 bytes) and therefore the password would need to be J > restricted in length.  If you were a really good VMS kernel mode hacker,I > you could code this such that the original $HASH_PASSWORD functionality I > would be retained and your new plain-text password could be selectivelyo+ > enabled via the UAF /ALGORITHM qualifier.l  Z On VAX, the SYS$EXAMPLES:HASH_PASSWORD.MAR sample file explains how to replace the default[ $HASH_PASSWORD system service with one that implements customer algorithms set via UAF> MOD1B username /ALGORITHM=CURRENT=CUSTOMER=a_number_between_128_and_255.  , This example doesn't seem to exist on Alpha.  
 -Jeff Goodwin.     >  >i7 > >I don't think that he is a newbie system manager ;-)r >y0 > Nope but he may be a newbie system programmer. >g > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:22:22 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o0 Subject: Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1)0 Message-ID: <009EE994.4A28E069@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <39985028.D3601BE8@spf.fairchildsemi.com>, Jeff Goodwin <jgoodwin@spf.fairchildsemi.com> writes:M >c >C' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:( >)X >> In article <39982ee5@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:\ >> >In article <39981E24.A113C194@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: >> >>from a privileged account:p >> >>oJ >> >>$ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM:  (or have appropriate logical name defined) >> >>$ MCR AUTHORIZE >> >>t< >> >>UAF>  MODIFY username/PASS=whatevernewpassword/NOPWDEXP >> >K >> >As I understand Ruslan's question is that he wants to keep the passwordE8 >> >in plaintext in SYSUAF and this is AFAIK impossible. >>I >> Supplant $HASH_PASSWORD with one of your own device and have is output I >> the password it is fed to the output.  The password is normally hashed J >> to a 64 bit value (8 bytes) and therefore the password would need to beK >> restricted in length.  If you were a really good VMS kernel mode hacker,sJ >> you could code this such that the original $HASH_PASSWORD functionalityJ >> would be retained and your new plain-text password could be selectively, >> enabled via the UAF /ALGORITHM qualifier. >y[ >On VAX, the SYS$EXAMPLES:HASH_PASSWORD.MAR sample file explains how to replace the defaultg\ >$HASH_PASSWORD system service with one that implements customer algorithms set via UAF> MODC >username /ALGORITHM=CURRENT=CUSTOMER=a_number_between_128_and_255.u >t- >This example doesn't seem to exist on Alpha.   J True, the example does not exist; however, that does not correlate, by any- means, that one cannot supplant that service!+     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 21:10:25 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)S0 Subject: Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1)+ Message-ID: <r+p868R648cC@eisner.decus.org>d  p In article <009EE994.4A28E069@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:m > In article <39985028.D3601BE8@spf.fairchildsemi.com>, Jeff Goodwin <jgoodwin@spf.fairchildsemi.com> writes:G  \ >>On VAX, the SYS$EXAMPLES:HASH_PASSWORD.MAR sample file explains how to replace the default] >>$HASH_PASSWORD system service with one that implements customer algorithms set via UAF> MOD>D >>username /ALGORITHM=CURRENT=CUSTOMER=a_number_between_128_and_255. >>. >>This example doesn't seem to exist on Alpha. > L > True, the example does not exist; however, that does not correlate, by any/ > means, that one cannot supplant that service!c  C It seems to me a lot of example porting got skipped eight year ago,t7 possibly because it required changing the linker files.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:32:58 GMTe2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>' Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMS 7 Message-ID: <uZ1m5.1028$mO3.276689@typhoon.aracnet.com>d  ( John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:K > It is DECMigrate otherwise known as VEST.  Follow the link to the OpenVMSo8 > Freeware Collection from http://www.openvms.compaq.com  I OK, maybe I'm blind, but where?  I've looked through there and can't findf anything that looks right.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:45:43 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>t' Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Image to Alpha/VMST. Message-ID: <sphik9llkn983@corp.supernews.com>  = "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote in messaget1 news:uZ1m5.1028$mO3.276689@typhoon.aracnet.com...-K > OK, maybe I'm blind, but where?  I've looked through there and can't findM > anything that looks right.  I I was mistaken.  A search of deja turned up a stale URL, but trying a fewe- permutations of it resulted in the following:   7 http://www.support.compaq.com/amt/decmigrate/index.htmla   -Johne wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:08:40 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515), Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best3 Message-ID: <2M9YpY1SvKWz@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>s  + In article <3996e1b1$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, o1     	eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:1 [...]XK > This is/was the case with V1.2A. Then came V1.2C which came only for Y2K.dM > So, one can stick with V1.2C, if he likes (and boy, I hate to extract filesuF > with V2.2 and then to get files with only one character per line !!)  H         What 2.2 version did that?  Yeah, an early one I expect.  PrettyH     stupid, I  mean,  one  _does_  expect  them  to  _test_  their work.H     Anyway,  I  have absolutely no such problems extracting files  under     2.2E.  FWIW...           -Ken -- vM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 22:31:10 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best* Message-ID: <3998570e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <2M9YpY1SvKWz@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:, >In article <3996e1b1$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, 2 >    	eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: >[...]L >> This is/was the case with V1.2A. Then came V1.2C which came only for Y2K.N >> So, one can stick with V1.2C, if he likes (and boy, I hate to extract filesG >> with V2.2 and then to get files with only one character per line !!)a >aI >        What 2.2 version did that?  Yeah, an early one I expect.  PrettyhI >    stupid, I  mean,  one  _does_  expect  them  to  _test_  their work.eI >    Anyway,  I  have absolutely no such problems extracting files  under- >    2.2E.  FWIW...-  > All DSNlink V2 versions so far (on my Alpha). I now use V2.2E.I But only most of the time. Sometimes the file is correct and nobody knows G why. Maybe it's a C RTL Bug, but then again, why does it change without  any installation ?  E If anybody else would have seen this problem, I would feel better ;-)9   -- 2< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 14 AUG 2000 20:26:34 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher), Subject: Re: Versions of DSN - which is best6 Message-ID: <14AUG00.20263434@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  B In a previous article, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote:  ( -> ... (and boy, I hate to extract filesG -> with V2.2 and then to get files with only one character per line !!)* -> *@ ->All DSNlink V2 versions so far (on my Alpha). I now use V2.2E.K ->But only most of the time. Sometimes the file is correct and nobody knowseI ->why. Maybe it's a C RTL Bug, but then again, why does it change withoute ->any installation ? -> eG ->If anybody else would have seen this problem, I would feel better ;-)o  M V2.2D has it. I've never tried 2.2E. I'm currently field testing DSNlink V3.0 A and it does not have the problem - extracted files appear normal.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:49:57 GMTD2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>! Subject: Re: VMS hobbyist versione7 Message-ID: <Vs0m5.1020$mO3.274444@typhoon.aracnet.com>   + David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:uP > You'll also want to look at your disk size.  For VAX the RZ26 (1 GB) is a niceQ > size, but you can load onto a RZ25.  On Alpha, you'll want a larger drive, I'ven. > found a 2 GB drive nice for the system disk.  H A note for the person asking the question originally with the VAXstationE 3100 M38 I believe your system disk size is limited to 1GB.  However,o non-System disks can be larger.m   			Zanew   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:38:11 GMT/% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)h  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS. Message-ID: <spgpm3i8kn948@news.supernews.com>  0 Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote:) > Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.org> wrote:/4 >>So let me ask the question... Where is Cutler now?   > He's still at Microsoft: >/L > http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/features/2000/jul00/07-03engineers2.asp  7 so he *did* design VMS single-handedly.  i'm impressed.Y  A         DAVE CUTLER, SR.DISTINGUISHED ENGINEER, WINDOWS BASE TEAM   P         Dave Cutler, Sr. joined Microsoft in 1988. Currently responsible for theO         design of the 64-bit release of the Windows Operating System, Cutler isrL         generally considered one of the top few programmers worldwide. AfterM         arriving at Microsoft, he launched the Windows NT group and has since*L         then led the development of three major releases of the product, nowF         known as Windows 2000. In addition to leading the Windows 2000P         team, Cutler contributed to the architecture of all parts of the system,L         and even wrote the kernel himself. In recognition of his significantH         contributions to the field, Cutler was awarded membership in theL         National Academy of Engineering in 1993. Prior to joining Microsoft,E         Cutler worked at DEC, where he designed and delivered severallD         successful operating systems, including VAX/VMS, RSX-11M andN         VAXELN. Originally from Dewitt, Michigan, he holds over 20 patents andH         is affiliate professor in the Computer Science Department at the"         University of Washington.   C wow, he's not much of a team player, is he?  designed and deliveredpE VMS, RSX and VAXeln all by himself, and apparently the NT kernel too.  he sounds pretty selfish to me!*    D p.s. to bill todd:  I'M MAKING FUN OF THE PRESS RELEASE, NOT CUTLER.     ok dpmp -- b3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/k- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comrC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)*C COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:06:02 GMT % From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)*  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS/ Message-ID: <spgraa1lkn9109@news.supernews.com>   S Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> donned his Defender of the Truth costume and wrote:s  K > And I'm sick and tired of dealing with ignorant loud-mouths with inflatedEG > egos who don't feel any need to investigate sources before cheerfully*M > assuming those sources (and anyone else who presumes to disagree with their,I > view of the world) to be incompetent (though JF has this time been only:: > implicitly dismissive rather than overtly contemptuous).  % Ignorant?  I'll grant that partially. G Loud-mouths?  It's a free newsgroup, they're welcome to post as long as.   they're polite.GE Inflated egos?  I see no evidence of that at all, unless you consider L   the act of posting alone to be such, in which case we're all quite guilty.( Cheerfully?  No evidence of that either.  L What's with the slurs?  You could portray yourself as even more affronted by= posting from bill@www.venting_my_spleen.com, but not by much.a  N > Somehow, I'm inclined to believe that my own personal acquaintance with DaveK > Cutler, his source code, many individuals who worked closely with him andSL > commented thereon, and DEC during the period I worked there (1976 - 1987),K > plus the relevant published work of others that has been accepted withoutfI > obvious demur by those who might have been expected to offer correctionNN > based on conflicting *personal* knowledge, constitute a significantly betterK > basis for forming an evaluation of Dave's contribution to VMS and NT thanxM > the personal views of a (different) random newsgroup participant who to all D > appearances is personally acquainted with none of those sources ofC > information (nor any others of remotely similar degrees of directr > applicability).R  C A signficantly better basis?  Okay.  The only basis allowed?  Nope.   8 > you both simply appear to like to hear yourselves talk  ; [ring ring]  "Hello, Mr. Pot?  This is Mr. Kettle calling."h  , > How does one become a competent authority?  H Geez, relax Bill.  I don't take JF or David as "competent authority" ---H why on earth do you think I would?  I don't take *you* either.  The onlyC two "competent authorities" here are Hoff and Brian (MHO), and thennG only on purely technical grounds.  This is an O/S newsgroup, after all.e  F I mean, seriously, do you think every poster & lurker here is going toJ just fall down and take every word in *any* message as the Absolute Truth?D Are you actually trying to save me and every other reader from beingC contaminated by incorrect information?  Do you believe that we are M= incapable of recognizing that information as being incorrect?Z  D Let them post, Bill.  If they're wrong and make fools of themselves,B we'll figure it out and snicker at them (electronically of course)A and not invite them to the Really Good Secret Websites About VMS.p- But why do you have to take it so personally?   J > The level of VMS bigotry exhibited in this forum by people who really doK > seem to try, at least most of the time, to deal with issues on a rationaleM > basis and keep a somewhat open mind is frustrating enough, but sufficientlye' > often worth the effort to keep at it.g  I I love you too.  And if you could just get $ DIRECTORY /SORT= implemented J I'd love you even more.  But I realize you don't have time for such thingsM with your fulltime crusading responsibilites, so I won't hold it against you.a  N > I think that covers your questions.  Try to surprise me by actually learning > something this time.  B Try to surprise me by playing nice, Bill.  You're not the only kid in this sandbox.   ok dpmo -- <3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/P- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.com5C                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)-C COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:14:31 GMT>= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)p  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS0 Message-ID: <009EE9A3.F4E5B4E6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <spgpm3i8kn948@news.supernews.com>, dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) writes:1 >Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote: * >> Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.org> wrote:5 >>>So let me ask the question... Where is Cutler now?b >* >> He's still at Microsoft:R >>M >> http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/features/2000/jul00/07-03engineers2.aspu >t8 >so he *did* design VMS single-handedly.  i'm impressed. >tB >        DAVE CUTLER, SR.DISTINGUISHED ENGINEER, WINDOWS BASE TEAM >hQ >        Dave Cutler, Sr. joined Microsoft in 1988. Currently responsible for theaP >        design of the 64-bit release of the Windows Operating System, Cutler isM >        generally considered one of the top few programmers worldwide. Afteri  F Seeing the "quality" code coming out of the Redmond Academy of TeenageF Software Neophytes Emitting Substandard Technology or R.A.T.S.N.E.S.T,C the above doesn't stand tall as much of an accolade for Mr. Cutler.U  N >        arriving at Microsoft, he launched the Windows NT group and has since  6 Should have been a launch into a decaying earth orbit!  E >p.s. to bill todd:  I'M MAKING FUN OF THE PRESS RELEASE, NOT CUTLER.i  5 ... but he's likely to crawl all over you regardless.t     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:01:25 GMTB0 From: "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net>- Subject: Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)9C Message-ID: <9kQl5.9287$IH.359695@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>.  K I posted the following message in a SUN sysadmin newsgroup.  While I didn't D get much response there, I think the folks here might appreciate it.  L ****************************************************************************L ****************************************************************************     Whaaaazzuuuup!  J At the risk of starting a flame war, I couldn't resist at pointing out howL Sun is now getting a dose of their own medicine.  I recently read an articleA (link provided below) which was Sun's response to IBM's allegedlyuK exaggerated / bogus claims when comparing the performance of the two firms'Y systems.  D As a long time VMS administrator, I remember triying to defend DEC'sL equipment / OS while Sun managed to lie and spin their systems as being moreF open (true) and cheaper (demonstrably false) than or DEC's proprietary systems.  K The truth is that Sun's systems are so unreliable that sometimes it costs aMG mint in downtime and recovery costs when a system crashes.  I literallySH cross my fingers and pray that my file systems aren't corrupt after each5 crash.  Even "graceful"  reboots are scary sometimes.O  J Then of course there is Sun's software support - laughable.  How many haveL you have called Sun with a question only to here the technician mumbling theG man pages to himself.  In fact I have a good mind to cancel our supportMF contract becuase I have sincerely had MUCH better support through thisF newsgroup (thank you very much to all).  On the other hand VMS support7 continues to be top notch even since Compaq bought DEC.t  L I could go on but lets face it, I think most IT folks have figured out Sun's& game and IBM is just learning from it.  H  I just thought I would share these articles with the newsgroup.  Like IJ said, I'm really not looking for a flame war here but the real truth needs to be told.(  * This link is Sun's response regarding IBM.  2 http://www.sun.com/dot-com/realitycheck/index.html    J After reading the above link, check out this study by an objective reseachJ group.  Given that perception is everything, you may be surprised to learnH the truth.  Sun ranks last when compared with DEC, HP, and yes - IBM forK total cost of ownership.  This is only one of a litany of studies that havevI been done on popular RISC processors by independent research groups.  SunaI always comes in last or near last.  But who needs great products when youaJ have great marketing.  Look at it this way.  Budweiser is the best sellingL beer, does that mean it's the best beer on the market?  No.  But I would say8 that they have the best marketing of all beer companies.  F http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/whitepapers/enterprise_tco.html   Enjoy, Mike   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:45:36 GMTr! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com>.- Subject: Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)h& Message-ID: <h2vREEA84Gm5EwKm@gol.com>  D In article <02138600.4bc94f07@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com>, Mike Price5 <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid> writesi? >Very interesting - we are just about to start our first VMS to.A >Solaris migration (not my idea!!!) so thanks for justifying whatt) >us VMS people have been saying all alongi >.% >won't make any difference though :-(- >- >Thanks anyway >u >Mike Price48 >All entries are personal opinion and do not necessarily  >represent those of my employer.9 >Any resemblence they have to reality may be coincidental  >H< >----------------------------------------------------------- >18 >Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. >Up to 100 minutes free! >http://www.keen.com >t   Mike  F What's the reason for the migration?  Software availability, developer availability, cost, fashion?   Regardst   Ian    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:33:12 GMTg= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)-1 Subject: Re: Whilst on the subject of listings... 0 Message-ID: <009EE96B.E4BC59F2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <4.3.2.7.0.20000814112050.00d5e310@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:p1 >At 03:54 PM 8/14/00 +0100, Adrian Birkett wrote:9A >>Can anybody give me a ball-park number for the cost of the saidOE >>listings? Are they on general release from Q? Our department may be.C >>interested in a copy - if our resident binary speaker has his wayi	 >>anyway.y > M >Last time I checked they ran about $2k, though you might want to check with eK >your Compaq rep and see what the current price is. (And how badly you can p >twist their arms...)d  H I believe the price for the license is a bit higher, around $2700.00 US.J Then, there is a subscription service fee of about $800/year. to maintain I the updates to the listings.  The ~$2700.00 fee is a one-time fee and thea  ~$800 is a yearly service fee.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:20:12 GMT-( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>1 Subject: Re: Whilst on the subject of listings... ' Message-ID: <FzB4xo.Eup@spcuna.spc.edu>-  ) Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com> writes:pA > Can anybody give me a ball-park number for the cost of the saidwE > listings? Are they on general release from Q? Our department may be<C > interested in a copy - if our resident binary speaker has his wayK	 > anyway.d  E QB-001AB-E8, OVMS VAX SOURCE LSTS & LIC CD, $2284.00, 4 day lead timesD QB-MT1AB-E8, OpenVMS Alpha BAS SRC LST CD, $2284.00, 4 day lead time  8 QT-001AB-Q8, VMS SOURCE LSTS CDROM UPD SVC, $780.00/year5 QT-MT1AB-Q8, OVMS A BAS Src Code Update, $780.00/year2  K   You need to order the listing + license and then you can subscribe to thef update service.e     For grins:  C QB-001AA-EM, VMS SOURCE LIC & KIT 6250 MT, $25000.00, not available   - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.come5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:05:51 -0500  From: "nf0" <nf0@gte.net>v Subject: [OT] Vax Hardware8 Message-ID: <sG0m5.475967$MB.7205682@news6.giganews.com>  L Hello all this is slightly off topic here but i didn't have anywhere else to turn.dF I have recently purchashed an old VAXstaion 3100. I'm trying to find a monitorsJ that will work with this or some way to use it. If anyone is able to point me+ in the right direction that would be great.    Thanks nf0    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2000 20:02:13 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: [PWS433au] How to add external SCSI CDROM ?* Message-ID: <39983425$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  I I have a PWS433au. Unfortunately without a manual. It is one of the firsteL series with the INTEL SIO IDE Controller and not with the better CYPRESS one- if this makes a difference for this question..  G I want to add an external SCSI Disk (a CDROM). There is a big connectorDG on the back which I call a SCSI-3 (68pin ; and don't rant ;-). I have alM RRD42 with what I call a SCSI-1 connector (a Ribbon connector like Centronicsf0 used to use sometimes besides the DB-25; 50pin).  G This external SCSI Bus seems to be the same, as the internal bus. Now I J wonder. I never connected an external terminator, but internal disks work.E Why ? Is there an console mode parameter ? Or is there an intelligenti terminator inside ?   G However connecting a SCSI-1 to SCSI-3 Cable, the RRD42 and a terminatorsI externally does hang the SCSI Bus (VMS freezes or console mode tells thatI disk DKA100 does not poll).N  , What do I have to do, to successfully use anE additional SCSI CD-ROM drive (eg. for VMS upgrade as the internal IDEeJ CD-Player can't be used for booting VMS as long as you have the INTEL SIO)= or my ZIP-Drive (with a DB25 connector). Where is the magic ?5   TIAO   -- 4< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888V< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.454 ************************