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 Re: X windows   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 15:51:47 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: 4D10T vs Elsa GLoria Synergy 6 Message-ID: <8nedaj$39t$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  l In article <3999D416.5E256E98@onay-amspay.mail.com>, John Johnstone <jj_usenet@onay-amspay.mail.com> writes:J :I've got a choice of a VMS system with either a 4D10T PBXGK-AB or an Elsa :GLoria Synergy PBXGK-BB.   H   AFAIK, these are roughly equivilent 8MB boards.  These boards are not I   particularly fast graphics boards in the grand scheme and are targeted  G   at low-end 2D work -- the PowerStorm 300 and PowerStorm 350 would be  C   further up in the aforementioned grand scheme, and rather faster.   E   AFAIK, the ELSA GLoria Synergy PBXGB-BB is the replacement for the  G   PowerStorm 3D10T PBXGK-AB, and (if I had to choose one of these two)  G   would most likely be the controller I would opt for -- if I could not I   get/use the PowerStorm 300 or PowerStorm 350.  (Please see the OpenVMS  J   FAQ for information on acquiring and configuring the software necessary ;   for the ELSA GLoria Synergy boards on V7.1-2 and V7.2-1.)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:57:25 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>D Subject: Re: Alpha versions of Digital's CAI/CBI products available?' Message-ID: <FzDF7p.6rv@spcuna.spc.edu>   5 Jeff Goodwin <jgoodwin@spf.fairchildsemi.com> writes: 9 > Unfortunately, DECmigrate doesn't seem to be an option:  >  > $ vest EV$CBI.EXE H > %VEST-F-BADEXE, Image is not translatable because it is not an OpenVMS+ > VAX V4.0 or later image -- it is an alias 0 > %VEST-F-TRANSFATAL, Translation was impossible  F   I get the same thing with the "updated" EDTCAI we bought for VMS V5,E so I don't think any of the *CAI's will VEST. In EDT's case, only the E main image (EDT$CAI.EXE) fails - the other images should vest as they < are native images, though not useful without the main image.  B   DISM32 blows up (buffer overrun) when trying to disassemble thisE module. I expect that these are actually PDP-11 code with a migration 1 wrapper around them, much like VMS V4's TECO was.   - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 10:13:31 GMT. From: anders@alfons.lib.kth.se (Anders Olsson)< Subject: attachments lost when using set forward in VMS-mail& Message-ID: <8ndpgb$suc$1@news.kth.se>   Hi!   L Is it possible that a forward in VMS-mail unables the use of attachments. At# our site it looks that way anyway.    M We have VMS 7.1, MX V5.1-X, IUPOP3 server <V2.0-4/UCX/(DECC). Mail have under L normal circumstances been without any bigger problems. But when someone sets$ MAIL> set forw somebody@someplace.seP the attachments gets mixed with the mail and becomes unreadable. With the use ofU decoding software some attachments can be retreived for some advanced users but that  & is not of any use to the normal user.   : Should it really be like this? Is there a way to solve it? Thanks for any ideas   Anders Olsson, KTHB    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:29:03 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> @ Subject: Re: attachments lost when using set forward in VMS-mail) Message-ID: <399A7AFF.3BA61002@gtech.com>    Anders Olsson wrote:N > Is it possible that a forward in VMS-mail unables the use of attachments. At$ > our site it looks that way anyway. > O > We have VMS 7.1, MX V5.1-X, IUPOP3 server <V2.0-4/UCX/(DECC). Mail have under N > normal circumstances been without any bigger problems. But when someone sets& > MAIL> set forw somebody@someplace.seR > the attachments gets mixed with the mail and becomes unreadable. With the use ofV > decoding software some attachments can be retreived for some advanced users but that' > is not of any use to the normal user.  > < > Should it really be like this? Is there a way to solve it?  " MIME headers can be a bit tricky !  9 If a text body + attachement are forwarded then I can see  two valid handlings:   1) just as it was   H 2) as a "this is a forward" text + an attachment containing the original    (text + attachment)  F Garbling the MIME headers so that the attachments is not recognized is not  good.   D My first thougth would be that MX is the culprit, but to verify thatC you will have to post and example of an email as it looks when send B normal and when it has been forwarded (raw content from VMS MAIL).   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:25:12 +0200 ) From: "Anders Olsson" <anders@lib.kth.se> @ Subject: Re: attachments lost when using set forward in VMS-mail& Message-ID: <8ne53a$97e$1@news.kth.se>  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message # news:399A7AFF.3BA61002@gtech.com...  > Anders Olsson wrote:@ > > Is it possible that a forward in VMS-mail unables the use of attachments. At & > > our site it looks that way anyway. > > K > > We have VMS 7.1, MX V5.1-X, IUPOP3 server <V2.0-4/UCX/(DECC). Mail have  under K > > normal circumstances been without any bigger problems. But when someone  sets( > > MAIL> set forw somebody@someplace.seI > > the attachments gets mixed with the mail and becomes unreadable. With 
 the use ofI > > decoding software some attachments can be retreived for some advanced  users but that) > > is not of any use to the normal user.  > > > > > Should it really be like this? Is there a way to solve it? > $ > MIME headers can be a bit tricky ! > ; > If a text body + attachement are forwarded then I can see  > two valid handlings: >  > 1) just as it was  > J > 2) as a "this is a forward" text + an attachment containing the original >    (text + attachment) > H > Garbling the MIME headers so that the attachments is not recognized is > not  > good.  > F > My first thougth would be that MX is the culprit, but to verify thatE > you will have to post and example of an email as it looks when send D > normal and when it has been forwarded (raw content from VMS MAIL). >  > Arne  J OK! I made an account TESTPILOT where I have set a forward to myself. HereD is how it looks, first the ordinary mail to me and then the same but forwaded from TESTPILOT.  " X-Sender: anders@kthbib.lib.kth.se6 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58% Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:13:29 +0200 + To: anders@lib.kth.se, testpilot@lib.kth.se ' From: Anders Olsson <anders@lib.kth.se> 
 Subject: test  MIME-Version: 1.0 = Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed ! Content-Transfer-Encoding: BINARY < X-MX-Comment: QUOTED-PRINTABLE message automatically decoded     test: __________________________________________________________J " En juste flanellograf slr vilken weblsare som helst" (L. Wittgenstein): __________________________________________________________    ( Anders Olsson, Systemadministratr, KTHB$ tel: 08-790 71 07 alt. 070-641 39 63 Fax: 08-790 78 52      mailto:anders@lib.kth.se      % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:26:25 +0200  From: anders@lib.kth.se + To: anders@lib.kth.se, testpilot@lib.kth.se , Message-ID: <009EEB1E.CDF6B79E.7@lib.kth.se>
 Subject: test  MIME-Version: 1.0 , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1! Content-Transfer-Encoding: BINARY < X-MX-Comment: QUOTED-PRINTABLE message automatically decoded    @ Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000816151301.00ab8a30@kthbib.lib.kth.se>" X-Sender: anders@kthbib.lib.kth.se6 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58% Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:13:29 +0200 + To: anders@lib.kth.se, testpilot@lib.kth.se ' From: Anders Olsson <anders@lib.kth.se> 
 Subject: test  MIME-Version: 1.0 = Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed ! Content-Transfer-Encoding: BINARY < X-MX-Comment: QUOTED-PRINTABLE message automatically decoded     test: __________________________________________________________J " En juste flanellograf slr vilken weblsare som helst" (L. Wittgenstein): __________________________________________________________    ( Anders Olsson, Systemadministratr, KTHB$ tel: 08-790 71 07 alt. 070-641 39 63 Fax: 08-790 78 52      mailto:anders@lib.kth.se  E Perhaps you can figure something out from this or do you also want an  axample with an attachment?  thanks a bunch anyway 
 Anders Olsson    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:07:53 -0700 1 From: David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com> @ Subject: Re: attachments lost when using set forward in VMS-mailF Message-ID: <OFA2FDD985.753C26EB-ON0725693D.004D5B9B@rsc.raytheon.com>   Anders:   A I've noticed IUPOP to be pretty unreliable too -- especially when = using MX with TCP/IP info moved to the bottom of the message.   ) This is no solution, just an observation.    dave       Hi!   I Is it possible that a forward in VMS-mail unables the use of attachments.  At" our site it looks that way anyway.  G We have VMS 7.1, MX V5.1-X, IUPOP3 server <V2.0-4/UCX/(DECC). Mail have  under G normal circumstances been without any bigger problems. But when someone  sets$ MAIL> set forw somebody@someplace.seI the attachments gets mixed with the mail and becomes unreadable. With the  use ofK decoding software some attachments can be retrieved for some advanced users  but that% is not of any use to the normal user.   : Should it really be like this? Is there a way to solve it? Thanks for any ideas   Anders Olsson, KTHB    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:44:20 -0400 % From: James Griffin <griffin@vol.com>  Subject: Boot Error O Message-ID: <5EC63A88F3AAFE20.7DEF21C2677BA69D.FAFBFF92B163CC7C@lp.airnews.net>   C I have an Alpha VME 4/288 system that has been running Digital Unix 4 4.0D.  I recently got a hobbyist CD of OpenVMS V7.2.  ; When trying to boot from the CD, I get the following error:    jumping to bootstrap code A %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_IC02.EXE < %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910  
 cpu halted >>>      What does this mean?     Jim Griffin  jpg1@nrc.gov   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:48:53 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Boot Error + Message-ID: <8ne9kp$ubk@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   2 "James Griffin" <griffin@vol.com> wrote in messageI news:5EC63A88F3AAFE20.7DEF21C2677BA69D.FAFBFF92B163CC7C@lp.airnews.net...    > jumping to bootstrap code C > %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_IC02.EXE > > %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910 >  > What does this mean?  U 910 is 'file not found'. The bootstrap loads model specific bits by taking the system L model type (provided by the console) and looking for the corresponding file.  K Presumably, your system is not a supported model. For hobbyist purposes, it Q might be possible (and permissable) to hack the id to that of a similar supported < configuration. Then again there might not be such available.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:56:14 +0000 - From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>  Subject: Re: Boot Error . Message-ID: <399AB99E.CB534AAE@fsi.net.mapson>   James Griffin wrote: > E > I have an Alpha VME 4/288 system that has been running Digital Unix 6 > 4.0D.  I recently got a hobbyist CD of OpenVMS V7.2. > = > When trying to boot from the CD, I get the following error:  >  > jumping to bootstrap code C > %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_IC02.EXE > > %SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910 >  > cpu halted > >>>  >  > What does this mean?  @ Well, I'm sure one of the more authoritative folks will chime in% eventually with a fuller explanation.   D Essentially, it means that your CPU or CPU/Mobo configuration is not< supported by OpenVMS, as evidenced by the lack of a suitable< CPU_ROUTINES module. The loader apparently uses the hardwareH identification codes to locate the proper module for a specific hardwareH platform. It did not find one for your machine; hence, the aborted boot.  C At least, that's how I understand it. I may be (probably am) wrong.    David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 17:34:22 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Boot Error 6 Message-ID: <8nejau$4d0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  w In article <5EC63A88F3AAFE20.7DEF21C2677BA69D.FAFBFF92B163CC7C@lp.airnews.net>, James Griffin <griffin@vol.com> writes: D :I have an Alpha VME 4/288 system that has been running Digital Unix5 :4.0D.  I recently got a hobbyist CD of OpenVMS V7.2.  : < :When trying to boot from the CD, I get the following error: :  :jumping to bootstrap codeB :%SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_IC02.EXE= :%SYSBOOT-E-LDFAIL, failed to load execlet, status = 00000910  :  :cpu halted  :>>> :  :What does this mean?     F   This error means that OpenVMS does not recognize this system.  More F   specifically, error that OpenVMS cannot locate the particular files    needed for this box.   $ exit %x910" %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file $   F   The specific model code 1C02 is the family -- that was probably "1C"D   and not IC -- and model (02).  1C (28 decimal) is assigned to the F   Cortex AlphaVME platform, and not a platform that I recall as being    supported by OpenVMS.   B   The OpenVMS Software Product Description (SPD) has a list of theC   platforms officially supported by OpenVMS -- a pointer to the SPDB   is included in the FAQ.a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:37:30 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)" Subject: Re: Caching RMS Block I/O+ Message-ID: <xX92uHyW3c26@eisner.decus.org>o  ? You might want to check with R&D Performance Group, rdperf.com.v; They have a product called Disk Xcel which does block-levelv= caching.  When last I supported it, (I supported it under thev= names of Disk Xcel, I/O Express and CacheManager), it had thev? ability to do read-ahead caching.  I'm not sure if that featurev? was available to the customer, but it was in the code.  I think @ having writes populate the cache was in there, too.  I know that@ write-behind wasn't considered, since it created a potential for@ corruption.   You might want to talk with Rick Cadruvi, the R of> R&D, he can give you the low-down on what the product can, and can not do, currently.  < Also, if it was mentioned, I missed it.  Are the files being6 written to created at the time of the run, or are theyA pre-existing?  You can get some pretty good performance boosts by A pre-creating the target file near to, or larger than, the size itlA will be when the run completes.  This can keep the app from beingPA delayed by file extend operations, and the fragmentation involvedC" when doing gobs of little extends.  @ You can change the RMS options, buffering, etc, without changing1 the FORTRAN app.  See HELP SET RMS for more info.p  R In article <8nbrmc$5r3$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:L > If write-caching is indeed acceptable on the output side (though it shouldK > be battery-backed cache or cache protected by a reliable UPS, since ODS-2aM > depends upon the ordering of disk writes for the integrity of its meta-datadM > structures and lost updates there could be catastrophic), you might be able I > to enable disk-level read-ahead caching (an option on both SCSI and IDEeG > drives that VMS may have a means to address) to cover the input side.V > K > The eXtended File Cache features planned for VMS V7.3 might also help therH > input side (I don't know the degree to which they recognize sequentialJ > access patterns and react to them).  IIRC XFC is either in or close to aH > beta test (which might mean you could get your hands on it).  For thatH > matter, check out the existing VIOC facilities (something someone saidL > recently suggested that they may support a form of transparent large-block0 > access that might help, at least for reading). > G > You didn't specify whether the output-side files were being initially:G > populated or updated in place.  If the former, experimenting with theuI > various forms of default extension quantity control could prove useful.o >  > - bill > 8 > Phil Tregoning <ptregoni@esoc.esa.de> wrote in message9 > news:01c0069c$894d8e40$4b53b083@ptregoni.esoc.esa.de...y	 >> Hello,- >> >> Short form of the question: >>6 >> Are there any VAX caching tools (either software or5 >> hardware) that are capable of doing read-ahead andt4 >> write-behind caching for an application that uses >> RMS block I/O?  >> >> Long form of the question:i >>< >> We have a VAX FORTRAN application that is using RMS Block> >> I/O to process some data. I haven't seen the source, but as1 >> far as I can tell it does something like this:w >>	 >>   Loopo? >>     Read some data from one of a set of files in DISK1:[DIR] ! >>     Do some minimal processingS= >>     Write the data to one of a set of files in DISK2:[DIR]a >>   Endloop >>= >> All the I/O is probably 1 or 2 block synchronous reads ando; >> writes. This is not performing as well as we need it to.p< >> We need to get about a 65% improvement (run time of about( >> 40 minutes down to about 15 minutes). >>> >> Obviously increasing the size of the I/Os, using Record I/O< >> with RMS buffering, and using asynchronous I/Os would all? >> help to improve performance. Unfortunately changing the codet >> is not really possible. >>< >> I am looking for some other way of improving performance.4 >> One option being considered is to use an HSZ disk> >> controller with a read/write cache. This seems to cache the: >> data being written quite nicely, merging the many small= >> writes into fewer, larger writes. This is likely to give aF5 >> roughly 40% improvement based on a not necessarilyi< >> representative test I have done. It doesn't help with the4 >> reads as the controller doesn't attempt to do any? >> read-ahead. It also doesn't reduce the interrupt processing,v >> which may become a factor., >>@ >> Does anybody know of any software or hardware caching options' >> (or anything else) that could help ?s >> >> TIA >> >>   Phil T  >> >> >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 15:53:24 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: CC/include question, Message-ID: <8neddk$13a@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ) Compaq C V6.2-007 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-10  G I'm working on a package that reuses some of the standard C header filemF names.  Specifically, it has a file resource.h which it pulls in via:      #include "resource.h"i   and elsewhere it uses      #include <sys/resource.h>a  $ The current CC command I'm using is:  1   $ CC/STANDARD=ANSI89/PREFIX=ALL/INCLUDE=[...] -r6     /DEFINE=(_POSIX_C_SOURCE=2,_XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED)    D The problem that this is causing is that when I compile a file that D includes the standard headef file wait.h the C compiler sees a line:  5   #   include <resource.h>    /* for struct rusage */   P and then picks up the wrong resource.h!  That is, rather than its own resource.hK it pulls in the one from the package.  (And that one is not only the wrong sF file but it also has "//" comments in it, which makes DEC C decidedly 	 unhappy.)-  H I thought that the <> include form always looked at the standard headersK first (which is what I want) but apparently the /include overrides that. IssI there some way to force it to do what I want (look first at the standard s headers for the <> form)?s  I Failing that I can always rename the packages resource.h file and modify e	 the code.h   Thanks,a   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech b   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:28:15 +0100m* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: CC/include question+ Message-ID: <8neff1$lei@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:8neddk$13a@gap.cco.caltech.edu...  J > I thought that the <> include form always looked at the standard headersM > first (which is what I want) but apparently the /include overrides that. Is J > there some way to force it to do what I want (look first at the standard > headers for the <> form)?c  F There is quite a long description in the HELP on the ordering. It doesG appear that /include affects both forms. On a quick inspection it lookst= like defining DECC$USER_INCLUDE rather than using /INCLUDE on / the command line might have the desired effect.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:33:49 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>1 Subject: Re: CD-R Writing.) Message-ID: <399A43DD.D3E98EBA@gtech.com>   
 Jon wrote:E > Are these decus utilities? (Sorry, I've not heard of either)  Where$C > could I get info on these? I was going to install a burner on our ( > alpha, but if this works, even better!  : LD are on the freeware CD and can also be downloaded from:  - http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/LD062/    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:41:58 -1300O- From: John Reagan <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com> < Subject: Compaq Pascal for OpenVMS VAX field test invitation2 Message-ID: <399A6FF6.27A05F4E@hiyall.zko.dec.com>   -- Dear Pascal users,a  C Compaq Pascal V5.8 for OpenVMS VAX is preparing for field test.  We 5 would like to invite interested sites to participate.i  , Compaq Pascal V5.8 for OpenVMS VAX includes:  8   - Various bug fixes reported since the release of V5.7F   - New /VERSION qualifier to easily display the compiler version from the command line  F There were many new features in the V5.7 release.  The V5.8 release isG mainly to pick up the few bug fixes and to keep the OpenVMS VAX release < consistent with the Compaq Pascal compiler on OpenVMS Alpha.  F Since there are no new features to test (other than using /VERSION), aH field test site should focus on recompiling their existing Compaq PascalF code on their OpenVMS VAX systems and testing for correctness.  We are. very confident on the quality of this release.  ' The tentative dates for field test are:      Begin field test: 28-Aug-2000e   End field test:    9-Oct-2000e  H If you are interesting in help us test the compiler, please send me your6 name, address, phone/fax number, system configuration.  < Thanks for your time and continued support for Compaq Pascal   John Reagan  Compaq Pascal Project Leader  % reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com (preferred), john.reagan@compaq.com John ReaganO Compaq Pascal Project Leader   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:15:47 GMT8 From: teroconnor@my-deja.com# Subject: Copy from VMS to NT serverm) Message-ID: <8ndpka$9nl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>y  G We recently moved some fileshares from a VMS server (with Pathworks) to_< an NT box. We have some batch jobs which copied files to VMSC directories for use by clients mapping onto Pathworks shares. Now I_D need to change these copy procedures on the VMS system to direct theD output files to the NT box. What is the best way to do this - is FTPC the only option? The NT server only runs TCPIP. Any examples of thes syntax to use? Thanks,, Terp    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:32:43 GMTS From: teroconnor@my-deja.com# Subject: Copy from VMS to NT serverP) Message-ID: <8ndqkb$al2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G We recently moved some fileshares from a VMS server (with Pathworks) to < an NT box. We have some batch jobs which copied files to VMSC directories for use by clients mapping onto Pathworks shares. Now IsD need to change these copy procedures on the VMS system to direct theD output files to the NT box. What is the best way to do this - is FTPC the only option? The NT server only runs TCPIP. Any examples of theR syntax to use? Thanks,P TerB    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy._   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:25:45 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>_' Subject: Re: Copy from VMS to NT server ) Message-ID: <399A7A39.59A9EE96@gtech.com>e   teroconnor@my-deja.com wrote:3I > We recently moved some fileshares from a VMS server (with Pathworks) toe> > an NT box. We have some batch jobs which copied files to VMSE > directories for use by clients mapping onto Pathworks shares. Now I-F > need to change these copy procedures on the VMS system to direct theF > output files to the NT box. What is the best way to do this - is FTPE > the only option? The NT server only runs TCPIP. Any examples of the2 > syntax to use?   Recent VMS versions support:  @ $ COPY/NODE file ip-node"username password"::"path-and-filename"   example:  > $ COPY/FTP FOOBAR.DAT NTSRV"joe vmsuser":"C:\Store\Foobar.dat"   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:48:25 GMT  From: teroconnor@my-deja.com' Subject: Re: Copy from VMS to NT servert) Message-ID: <8ne632$nj5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   = > > We recently moved some fileshares from a VMS server (withu
 Pathworks) toi@ > > an NT box. We have some batch jobs which copied files to VMSG > > directories for use by clients mapping onto Pathworks shares. Now ImH > > need to change these copy procedures on the VMS system to direct theH > > output files to the NT box. What is the best way to do this - is FTPG > > the only option? The NT server only runs TCPIP. Any examples of the? > > syntax to use? >  > Recent VMS versions support: >-B > $ COPY/NODE file ip-node"username password"::"path-and-filename" >a
 > example: >i@ > $ COPY/FTP FOOBAR.DAT NTSRV"joe vmsuser":"C:\Store\Foobar.dat" >D > Arne >6 Thanks Arne,$ I have tried this but get an error -  3 copy /ftp t.t  oilcom"userxxx pwxxx"::"c:\t.t" /log * %FTP-E-NETERR, I/O error on network device4 -SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected  . Am I missing something on the NT server side ?   TerO    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:27:07 -0400 4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>' Subject: RE: Copy from VMS to NT server-J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8505668255@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0078E.27B9E5BE9 Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"r  5 You have to be running the ftp server on the NT side.P   -----Original Message-----< From: teroconnor@my-deja.com [mailto:teroconnor@my-deja.com] Sent: August 16, 2000 9:48 AM' To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr' Subject: Re: Copy from VMS to NT servere      = > > We recently moved some fileshares from a VMS server (withr
 Pathworks) to.@ > > an NT box. We have some batch jobs which copied files to VMSG > > directories for use by clients mapping onto Pathworks shares. Now ItH > > need to change these copy procedures on the VMS system to direct theH > > output files to the NT box. What is the best way to do this - is FTPG > > the only option? The NT server only runs TCPIP. Any examples of theR > > syntax to use? >- > Recent VMS versions support: >oB > $ COPY/NODE file ip-node"username password"::"path-and-filename" > 
 > example: >g@ > $ COPY/FTP FOOBAR.DAT NTSRV"joe vmsuser":"C:\Store\Foobar.dat" >. > Arne >n Thanks Arne,$ I have tried this but get an error -  3 copy /ftp t.t  oilcom"userxxx pwxxx"::"c:\t.t" /logL* %FTP-E-NETERR, I/O error on network device4 -SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected  . Am I missing something on the NT server side ?   Terd    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0078E.27B9E5BEl Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"u  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">O <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2651.65">- <TITLE>RE: Copy from VMS to NT server</TITLE>n </HEAD>r <BODY>  L <P><FONT SIZE=2>You have to be running the ftp server on the NT side.</FONT> </P>  1 <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: teroconnor@my-deja.com [<A HREF="mailto:teroconnor@my-deja.com">mailto:teroconnor@my-deja.com</A>]</FONT>5 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: August 16, 2000 9:48 AM</FONT> 1 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>F? <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: Copy from VMS to NT server</FONT>s </P> <BR> <BR>  Z <P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; We recently moved some fileshares from a VMS server (with</FONT>% <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Pathworks) to</FONT>o^ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; an NT box. We have some batch jobs which copied files to VMS</FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; directories for use by clients mapping onto Pathworks shares. Now I</FONT>0f <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; need to change these copy procedures on the VMS system to direct the</FONT>f <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; output files to the NT box. What is the best way to do this - is FTP</FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; the only option? The NT server only runs TCPIP. Any examples of the</FONT>c0 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; syntax to use?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>9 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Recent VMS versions support:</FONT>l <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>q <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $ COPY/NODE file ip-node&quot;username password&quot;::&quot;path-and-filename&quot;</FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>% <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; example:</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>o <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; $ COPY/FTP FOOBAR.DAT NTSRV&quot;joe vmsuser&quot;:&quot;C:\Store\Foobar.dat&quot;</FONT>n <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>! <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Arne</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>$ <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks Arne,</FONT>< <BR><FONT SIZE=2>I have tried this but get an error -</FONT> </P>  c <P><FONT SIZE=2>copy /ftp t.t&nbsp; oilcom&quot;userxxx pwxxx&quot;::&quot;c:\t.t&quot; /log</FONT>mB <BR><FONT SIZE=2>%FTP-E-NETERR, I/O error on network device</FONT>L <BR><FONT SIZE=2>-SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected</FONT> </P>  E <P><FONT SIZE=2>Am I missing something on the NT server side ?</FONT>g </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=2>Ter</FONT> </P> <BR>  p <P><FONT SIZE=2>Sent via Deja.com <A HREF="http://www.deja.com/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.deja.com/</A></FONT>' <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Before you buy.</FONT>t </P>   </BODY>i </HTML>o) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0078E.27B9E5BE--k   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:35:12 GMT * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>' Subject: Re: Copy from VMS to NT serverfD Message-ID: <Qwym5.7535$Cc2.286783@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  ) <teroconnor@my-deja.com> wrote in messagef# news:8ndpka$9nl$1@nnrp1.deja.com...tF > output files to the NT box. What is the best way to do this - is FTP1 > the only option? The NT server only runs TCPIP.e >yG You might look at Unix Services for NT, that will let you set up the NT J directory as  an NFS type share as well, then map  a VMS NFS client to it.    Jack PeacockO   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:36:24 GMTp2 From: Shraga_Broyer@bmc.nospam.com (Shraga Broyer)" Subject: Detached process question- Message-ID: <399ad08f.198595074@news.bmc.com>    Hi.tF I am trying to run a DCL script as a detached process using RUN/DETACH SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE . C I noticed that I can only specify GROUP or SYSTEM-wide logical names? for the paths of the INPUT and OUTPUT files of the process (fore< example JOB-wide assignments such as  /INPUT=SYS$LOGIN:<someA file>/OUTPUT=SYS$LOGIN:<some file>   won't work). I don't want to F create any new system or group-wide logical names. Can someone suggest me a work around?h   TIA    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:53:33 GMTc) From: Jeremy <jeremy_belcher@my-deja.com>  Subject: dose vms run on intel) Message-ID: <8ne2s5$jes$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  A dose vms run on intel or is it still an alpha vax thing and if itiH dosen't run on intel where can a person get used inexpensive and working8 hardware? This Gnome thing makes me want to change os's.   ThankYou   Jeremy    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:51:27 +0200m= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> " Subject: Re: dose vms run on intel) Message-ID: <399A9C5F.A55AB4A9@gtech.com>.  
 Jeremy wrote:mC > dose vms run on intel or is it still an alpha vax thing and if it>J > dosen't run on intel where can a person get used inexpensive and working: > hardware? This Gnome thing makes me want to change os's.  & VMS is only VAX and Alpha - not Intel.  9 There are companies that sell used VAX and Alpha systems.  Try f.ex. www.islandco.com !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:17:31 +0000s- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> " Subject: Re: dose vms run on intel. Message-ID: <399ABE9B.9E93A8AC@fsi.net.mapson>  
 Jeremy wrote:  > 9 > dose vms run on intel or is it still an alpha vax thingn  D Yes. Without a major architectural change in Intel-based mobo.'s andD systems, there is a 100% likelihood that VMS will remain a non-IntelF o.s. *SIGH* Perhaps IA-64 (and/or the AMD equivalent) will bring a rayF of hope here, but don't count on it - and even if it does, don't countA on Compaq (or whoever owns OVMS by then) to be with that, either.o   > and if itnJ > dosen't run on intel where can a person get used inexpensive and working: > hardware? This Gnome thing makes me want to change os's.  9 There are some links on my OpenVMS Hobbyist Support page:e  / http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html   1 ...where you might find some affordable hardware.   F eBay also has VAXes and MicroVAXes, as well as Multias and other smallF Alphas - even large ones! - from time to time. Got my AlphaStation-200> 4/233 that way. Saw an Alpha 8400 there a couple of weeks ago.   David J. Dachtera>   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 17:18:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: dose vms run on intel6 Message-ID: <8neics$48u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  U In article <8ne2s5$jes$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Jeremy <jeremy_belcher@my-deja.com> writes:e; :dose vms run on intel or is it still an alpha vax thing...   G   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ.  The answer has not changed from what is rK   included there.  (You will also find the FAQ includes answers to various n3   other questions, too.)  The FAQ is available via:p       www.openvms.compaq.com  ? :where can a person get used inexpensive and working hardware? r  F   There are used equipment dealers listed off the main Compaq website:       www.compaq.com  H   Older VAX systems can be free for the shipping cost from folks here inH   the newsgroup, just make sure you get a workstation or a small server F   and not one of the large-scale VAX configurations.  VAXstation 4000 K   series is a good choice, as are the more recent versions of the MicroVAX aK   3100 series.  All members of the older VAXstation 3100 series has limits  L   on the system disk size, again, see the FAQ.  Most anything with a native I   SCSI connection is a good choice -- older systems may not support SCSI.   L   I'd avoid systems with a Q-bus, UNIBUS, BI or similar, at least until you L   are rather more familiar with OpenVMS and with VAX hardware, and I'd also I   avoid VAX systems with 7xx, 6xxx, 7xxx, 8xxx, 9xxx or 10xxx series for hF   home use due to the age or the physical size and power requirements.  L   With the Alpha series systems, most any (used) AlphaStation series system H   would be a good choice, and most any low-end AlphaServer.  The larger J   AlphaServer systems (AlphaServer 2100 and larger) will likely be larger %   (and more expensive) than you want.l  / :This Gnome thing makes me want to change os's.-  "   Gnome is not part of DECwindows.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:13:29 +01003+ From: "Tim Jackson" <tim.jackson@amsjv.com>t# Subject: Re: Downloading DECmigrateh& Message-ID: <399a4c76$1@pull.gecm.com>  E Unfortunately there are a few applications for which the source is nowE long available, and hence DECmigrate (VEST) was my next port of call. D Any chance you could get the kits made available for download again, even if unsupported?   TIArD ------------------ Purely Personal Opinion -------------------------D Tim Jackson                                    tim.jackson@amsjv.com Air Systems Group  Alenia Marconi Systems Ltd.-  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 0 news:8ncbvh$nmo$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >e6 > In article <39990ec2$1@pull.gecm.com>, "Tim Jackson" <tim.jackson@amsjv.com> writes:rA > :...When I go to the instructions for downloading DECmigrate...) >hB >   AFAIK, DECmigrate (VEST) support ended a while back -- the kit itselfG >   remained downloadable for a while, but has apparently been recently E >   rendered unavailable.  (I do not know if that was intentional...)L >2G >   Do you have the source code?  (That would be the prefered approach,: >   quite obviously.)n >a, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringk hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:36:11 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>p Subject: Re: File HeadersV) Message-ID: <399A446B.B55A1C29@gtech.com>t   Data wrote:l7 > Is there a way to tell how close to full a disk is ??y   $ SHOW DEV diskname /FULLh   would be a good start !e   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:10:31 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>  Subject: RE: File HeadersPK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE85D@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>o  K You can see the number of file headers using SHOW DEVICE/FULL  then you can G obtain the number of files on the disk using DIR/GRAND disk:[*...]*.*;*  - Darren   > ----------, > From: 	Data[SMTP:data@pacpress.southam.ca]* > Sent: 	Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:48 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	Re: File Headers > C > I actually meant how close to using up all the file headers on and0 > initialized disk ( # of files not disk space ) >  > D > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:3999FBD4.53B340D8@earthlink.net...d > > Data wrote:l > > >e; > > > Is there a way to tell how close to full a disk is ??p > >s > > SHOW DEVICE/FULL ddcu- > >- > > -- > > David J. Dachtera, > > dba DJE Systems  > > http://www.djesys.com/ > >m> > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andgJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyoL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda-F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:41:19 +0000w- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>c Subject: Re: File Headerso. Message-ID: <399AB61F.FE3E47F7@fsi.net.mapson>   Data wrote:r > C > I actually meant how close to using up all the file headers on ane0 > initialized disk ( # of files not disk space )  G SHOW DEVICE/FULL will display the maximum number of files as was stated / (or defaulted) when the volume was INITIALIZEd.e   $ DIR/GRAND ddcu:[000000...]  E ...will display the total number of files (including directories?) oneG the volume, with the caveat that any aliased paths will result in files</ and/or file trees being counted more than once.V  * Outside of that, it's rather a tough call.  F The volume may have been INITIALIZEd with /HEADERS=xxxxx in which caseH the INDEXF.SYS file will have been pre-extended forstalling the onset ofC maximum INDEXF.SYS fragmentation (INDEXF.SYS can only have a singleiE header). So, in some cases, you can tell by comparing the EOF size of F INDEXF.SYS to the ALQ size. If the EOF size is less than the ALQ size,G INDEXF.SYS has not been extended since it was created; otherwise, you'dvF need to DUMP the header of INDEXF.SYS to see how many extents the file has.  H To make a long story short, predicting the onset of "index file full" is rather a dicey proposition.P  @ If there's an underlying problem that you're looking to solve orF prevent, please post again with your concerns and perhaps someone will have an idea that may help.j   David J. DachteraS   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:32:51 GMTn* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>1 Subject: Re: Free No-Repay Grants, $500 - $50,000 D Message-ID: <Duym5.7533$Cc2.287911@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  ) <grantgoldworld@aol.com> wrote in message A news:477.601281.284191@mail01.homeworkers2333323.com... on 2/3/01e  > FREE CASH GRANTS, NEVER REPAY! >tJ It's bad enough to get spam in near real time, but now they've figured outH how to send  them back through time as well?  Figures the first use of a9 working time machine would be some way to annoy people...a    Jack Peacockd   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:23:14 GMT"& From: wspencer@ap.org (Warren Spencer) Subject: Re: From VMS to NTi/ Message-ID: <splfviqgr5j174@news.supernews.com>r  7 pasmith@ppg.com wrote in <8n95fe$3j4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>:w  C >We are currently a VMS shop running ORACLE 7.3.4 on an alpha 2100.IG >Support for this set up is rapidly getting scarce.  We are considering G >switching to an NT box running ORACLE 8i.  We currently have about 150 C >dumb terminals on the production floor, which run ORACLE forms for<F >getting and displaying data.  These are connected to terminal serversF >that can run TCP/IP.  Does anyone know of a way for dumb terminals toG >communicate with NT?  Or does anyone know of an inexpensive GUI devicea9 >that we can use as a replacement for our dumb terminals?i >.  D Are you sure it's a 7.34 Oracle?  Could be wrong, but I thought the K terminal release of Oracle7 on Alpha was version 7.3.3.4.0.  And I believe iF this release is supported until the end of this year, if not longer.  F Oracle promised to listen to their customers on this one, so let your  Oracle rep know your needs!p  I What version of OpenVMS?  Must be 7.x given your Oracle version. Can you VI keep current with OpenVMS, or do you have other dependancies holding you i back?e  H Then the hardware:  As Arne noted, you could move to a current hardware * model and save significant $$ in support.   E Richard didn't seem to think "NT" and "Support" belonged in the same xK sentence.  From my experience with Microsoft's support team, I agree.  The rJ tradeoff seem to be:  A) Diminishing support on a solid platform, vrs. B) L current support on a new / buggy platform. I've faced this decision before, ! and never regretted choosing "A".    ws   -- OJ << My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do I  >>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:46:39 GMTx+ From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com>o) Subject: FTP to/from Alpha boxes - solved 4 Message-ID: <966422728.714256@talita.eclipse.net.uk>   All,F A month or so ago I posted a request for help with certain problems onL PWS433au units (mainly) running VMS7.1-1h2 and UCX 4.2. The problem was thatK ftp sessions could be opened and initiated from the PWS, but when trying toE7 ftp onto the PWS, the request was rejected out of hand.TK The problem came down to something simple in the end, (don't they all?) theaJ file protection for SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM did not have W:RE access. OnceL this was set, all works perfectly. Whether this would be an "approved fix" I don't know, but it works!/C Thanks to all who have contributed to the problem, in the group andI4 directly, especially Jesper Naur and David Dachtera.; I hope this "fix" may help someone in the same predicament.>   Best Regards to you allg   Andy Proctor   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:35:35 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>B! Subject: Re: Gnome replacing CDE?t) Message-ID: <399A4447.3E3AF2A2@gtech.com>V   "Zane H. Healy" wrote:G > In recent days the word has come out that Compaq, IBM, HP and Sun arexK > working together to replace CDE with Gnome.  Does anyone have any news on&I > what this means for OpenVMS?  Will CDE on OpenVMS be replaced by Gnome?I  @ I think it would be a good guess. It does not make much sense toC try and let VMS set the X standard, so if the majot Unixes changes,g$ then I am sure that VMS will follow.   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:55:45 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: Gnome replacing CDE?&6 Message-ID: <8nea1h$2vd$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  h In article <a5km5.25$M62.7990@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:F :In recent days the word has come out that Compaq, IBM, HP and Sun areJ :working together to replace CDE with Gnome.  Does anyone have any news onH :what this means for OpenVMS?  Will CDE on OpenVMS be replaced by Gnome?  K   AFAIK, there have not yet been any decisions made to upgrade the OpenVMS tI   DECwindows X Windows implementations of X11, nor any similar decisions OL   to supplement the existing CDE, Motif and XUI "stuff" (and the associated I   intrinsics and decorations) with Gnome or other newness.  (But as with SK   most anything else in this business, if enough customers want it and ask     for it...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 16 AUG 2000 15:35:19 GMT6 From: greenwoodde@feda34.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood)! Subject: Re: Gnome replacing CDE?h2 Message-ID: <16AUG00.15351959@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  3 "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:TG > In recent days the word has come out that Compaq, IBM, HP and Sun arekK > working together to replace CDE with Gnome.  Does anyone have any news onrI > what this means for OpenVMS?  Will CDE on OpenVMS be replaced by Gnome?s  I I don't know anything about DII/COE or Gnome other than what I've read on E c.o.v.  But according to one poster anyway (Fred Kleinsorge - see theeC "Commitment to DII COE, missing pieces?" thread) DII/COE appears totG require CDE.  So I'm not sure that Compaq, etc. could "replace CDE with F Gnome" - at least if they want to keep doing business with the US DOD.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVeH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2000 12:04:27 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)9! Subject: Re: Gnome replacing CDE?m* Message-ID: <8nee2b$lu6$1@lisa.gemair.com>  6 In article <8nea1h$2vd$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:c >ni >In article <a5km5.25$M62.7990@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:sG >:In recent days the word has come out that Compaq, IBM, HP and Sun are)K >:working together to replace CDE with Gnome.  Does anyone have any news onmI >:what this means for OpenVMS?  Will CDE on OpenVMS be replaced by Gnome?  >aL >  AFAIK, there have not yet been any decisions made to upgrade the OpenVMS J >  DECwindows X Windows implementations of X11, nor any similar decisions M >  to supplement the existing CDE, Motif and XUI "stuff" (and the associated  J >  intrinsics and decorations) with Gnome or other newness.  (But as with L >  most anything else in this business, if enough customers want it and ask 
 >  for it...)t  B Fortunately, thanks to the Mozilla porting effort, we have workingD Gtk for OpenVMS now so at least some of the infrastructure for Gnome on OpenVMS is in place.g  @ I would like to think that if Compaq is involved in an effort to8 relace CDE with Gnome that this would include OpenVMS.     >eO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------aM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  >t   -Jordan HendersonM jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:38:20 -0700 (PDT).7 From: "Jeffrey L. Cowgill Jr." <cowgillbones@yahoo.com>-& Subject: Help with pagefile full error? Message-ID: <20000816163820.23163.qmail@web1702.mail.yahoo.com>:   Hello, m  M I am having a problems with my Dec Alpha running OpenVMS 7.1.  I am getting a N pagetable full message and then insufficient memory errors that will not allowL me to log in as any user.  I have to boot to sysgen level to get in at all. K Has anyone had this problem and do you know how to fix it?  I already trieddL adding a new pagefile but this did not help.  The system was working until aM power outage brought it down.  The hardware checks out ok, so I am thinking I  have corrupt file.  Any ideas?   Thanks,o Jeff  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.r http://im.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:50:42 +0100h* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>* Subject: Re: Help with pagefile full error, Message-ID: <8negp4$1a2u@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  B "Jeffrey L. Cowgill Jr." <cowgillbones@yahoo.com> wrote in message9 news:20000816163820.23163.qmail@web1702.mail.yahoo.com...  > Hello, > O > I am having a problems with my Dec Alpha running OpenVMS 7.1.  I am getting a P > pagetable full message and then insufficient memory errors that will not allowM > me to log in as any user.  I have to boot to sysgen level to get in at all.2  E Please try not to be vague about the exact error messages. Page tabledD and page file aren't the same thing at all. HELP/MESSAGE can also be, useful for 'what does this error code mean'.   e.g. HELP/MESSAGE GPTFULLd  K User Action:  Notify your system operator or system manager to increase thes.                     SYSGEN parameter GBLPAGES.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:25:09 GMTr= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)f; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDA0 Message-ID: <009EEADB.92434AC0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  K In article <3999D92F.117156F2@vrx.net>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:sE >Now that I'm the proud owner of a legal set of source listings (withnH >license, thank you), I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to >lend me or sell me a CD set?   G If you DO have a license then you would also have a set of listing CDs.iE Along with the license you would be entitled to the listings shippinge# or that have shipped most recently.m   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:53:38 GMTr! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>y; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD ' Message-ID: <399A8ED1.8A783E97@vrx.net>   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  I > If you DO have a license then you would also have a set of listing CDs.eG > Along with the license you would be entitled to the listings shippingr% > or that have shipped most recently.r  Q Actually that's not entirely true. I do have the license, but the sets I have are R not on CD, what I have is from the pre-CD days (older VMS). Although the non-fiche) set I own may well be during the CD days.-  P I am entitled to the yearly updates, at the aforementioned $790/yr cost, which IS could do myself, but as I said, I can't afford it, in fact, as I said, I can't even O afford half that cost. I could probably only afford to pay around $200 or so ifC: someone wanted to sell me a set. Did I say I was broke? :)  P I'm more interested in borrowing a set, or trading for a fiche set, or heck I'll9 GIVE someone a fiche set if they will LEND me the CD set.n  @ Do you have any idea how much "fun" it is trying to read fiche ?R I also have the source listings in another format as well (neither fiche nor CD orD any other type of magnetic media). But those are just as much "fun".   Here's the kicker:P None of the formats I own are "searchable", which is why I'm looking for the CD.   B.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:08:52 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)m; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDn0 Message-ID: <8ne79k$2un$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  K In article <399A8ED1.8A783E97@vrx.net>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes: ' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:h >,Q >I am entitled to the yearly updates, at the aforementioned $790/yr cost, which IaT >could do myself, but as I said, I can't afford it, in fact, as I said, I can't evenP >afford half that cost. I could probably only afford to pay around $200 or so if; >someone wanted to sell me a set. Did I say I was broke? :)h >     @ Given that so many other operating systems are going open-sourceJ eg Solaris - see http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/source/overview.html.H Isn't it time for Compaq to review the price of the VMS source listings.  < $2000 plus a $790/yr update cost is much much too expensive.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:40:32 +0000-- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>:1 Subject: Re: How to fake a device full situation.b. Message-ID: <399AA7E0.2258EE3A@fsi.net.mapson>   Phil Tregoning wrote:3 [snip] F. > I think LDDRIVER on the freeware disk should5 > allow this - in fact you can also use it for fakinge" > mount verification and the like.  > Now THERE'S something I'd be interested in hearing more about!   Can you post some specifics?   David J. Dachtera]   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:38:55 GMTm From: smz@my-deja.comH( Subject: HP LJ8000 won't print correctly) Message-ID: <8necic$vqh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n   Hello,  ) Newbie question regarding HP8000 printer. F I can't seem to get this printer to format the page correctly (appearsD to not recognize a carriage return).  Prints accross the first line,F then continues off the sheet. Only prints the first page, instead of aD series of pages with one line.  I'm guessing a forms issue currently set at NOINIT.  < Currently, set up identically as HP 5si which are formatting) successfully (except for the extra page).d   -- Thanks in advance, Steve     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.*   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:02:27 +0200a7 From: "Walter A. Ambrosch" <Walter.Ambrosch@adicom.com>s& Subject: INCONSTATE in TCP/IP Services& Message-ID: <8nde97$ri6$1@news.lf.net>  D Can anyone help me: I had a stable OpenVMS V72. Alpha system runningH "DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0" (that's how theK software identifies itself), until the beginning of this month. Since then,iK I have had three bugchecks which look very similar when inspecting the CLUE*L output. They all happen when the TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.EXE image is launched, and2 the BUGCHK code is always at TCPIP$BGDRIVER+25258.  J I have tried to find out if there are any patches at the public patch siteI at ftp.europe.digital.com, but have been unable to find any. So, any helpr would be appreciated.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:43:21 GMT#1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> * Subject: Re: INCONSTATE in TCP/IP Services2 Message-ID: <399A8C2B.CD6A8CD7@clarityconnect.com>  G V5.0A is the currently shipping version and ECO 1 for that version will F be out RSN.  If you do not wish to wait then please contact your localH CSC (they can process one time, pay by credit card, events) to determineF what course of action can be taken.  Be prepared to make a copy of theG system dump file available for the crash dump 'weenies' (Thanks RichardS0 :*) so that the crash may be fully investigated.   "Walter A. Ambrosch" wrote:f > F > Can anyone help me: I had a stable OpenVMS V72. Alpha system runningJ > "DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0" (that's how theM > software identifies itself), until the beginning of this month. Since then,eM > I have had three bugchecks which look very similar when inspecting the CLUEeN > output. They all happen when the TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.EXE image is launched, and4 > the BUGCHK code is always at TCPIP$BGDRIVER+25258. > L > I have tried to find out if there are any patches at the public patch siteK > at ftp.europe.digital.com, but have been unable to find any. So, any helpt > would be appreciated..   -- rD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:14:07 -0700 + From: "Jack B. Nimble" <vmsmanager@ups.edu>3* Subject: Re: INCONSTATE in TCP/IP Services# Message-ID: <399AAFBE.7701@ups.edu>t  G We had a similar problem. Our network people found out that we had beenkB attacked by hackers. They were using the FTP port and flooding the system.d  F Our solution was to upgrade to TCPIP V5.0A. No problems since. We also upgraded to VMS 7.2-1.   Bill   William S. LaCountem VMS Systems Managerr University of Puget SoundF Tacoma, Washington   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:43:54 GMT<( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>( Subject: Re: Long haul fiber connections' Message-ID: <FzDEL6.J93@spcuna.spc.edu>   % Veli K?rkk? <korkko@decus.fi> writes:s? > Has anybody actually done the same with LAN switches? Cursoryy< > look to say CISCO stuff suggests that they have ability to> > connect too CISCO Lan Switch to each other using ...-LH long= > haul GBICS allowing upto 10km fibre between those switches.n  F   I have done a 100KM link using outboard laser drivers (100Mbit CAT 5I twisted pair to the switches, laser to the far end, and back into another  converter and into a switch).   I   I know of a link between New York City and Boston that is running with-lJ out any repeaters, and it's running substantially faster than 100Mbit/sec.     Perhaps this helps.   - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.como5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:10:25 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>r( Subject: RE: Long haul fiber connectionsJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284675@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Veli,   ? As a fyi - the release notes for the latest on OpenVMS and FC =  capabilities can always be found at: 7 http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/fibre/index.htmlr  5 The release notes were updated a couple of weeks ago.d   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada  Professional Servicesr Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.come       -----Original Message-----. From: Veli K=F6rkk=F6 [mailto:korkko@decus.fi]& Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 1:02 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-$ Subject: Long haul fiber connections    ? On fibrechannel world we can have long haul connections betweenm@ SAN switches. Using longwave GBIC and 9um cable we can have upto# 10km between our cascaced switches.   = Has anybody actually done the same with LAN switches? Cursoryi: look to say CISCO stuff suggests that they have ability to< connect too CISCO Lan Switch to each other using ...-LH long; haul GBICS allowing upto 10km fibre between those switches.t    B Now having between too sites approriate amount of fiber connectity> I could maybe build a cluster where systems on each site would? see storage on own site and on the other site directly over SANc> (Storage area network) whilst we would do clustering over Giga	 Ethernet.   ? In principle this should be doable but can you see any gotchas?I   _veliy   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:02:18 GMTs$ From: hx_101@hotmail.com (HorseNuts)
 Subject: Mailo, Message-ID: <399ac8ef.167331810@news.dal.ca>  5 Where is all the system pop mail kept and setup??????m   Tks=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:58:31 +0010a% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au2" Subject: Re: Mass adding of users?5 Message-ID: <01JT1T6R7BUQ0032RW@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>q   Jordan Henderson wrote:o  / >In article <39996218.CBDD25A2@fsi.net.mapson>,o0 >SysAdmin  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> wrote: >>Niranjan Rajaghatta wrote: >>> @ >>> On the other hand, why would there be "mass" users for VMS ? >>F >>Well, I would think that since we're trying to get VMS back into the9 >>schools, this may become a problem to be reckoned with.- >>B >>This actually is one of the sorest spots you can find in OpenVMS >>administration.n >>
 >>...IMHO. >> >u> >While I agree that things could be better, I've not seen this: >done much better on Unix and WindowsNT is a nightmare in = >comparison.  I understand that Windows2k finally has command>@ >line administration that makes this kind of thing a lot easier. >a: >I've always found that I could do this sort of thing with< >DCL or Perl scripting pretty easily.  I think a lot of Unix2 >people do this sort of thing with Perl scripting. >e: >I don't know what Windows people do typically.  Write VB?: >Perl is available and robust on Windows these days too...  P I'm not exactly a "power" system manager, strictly a technical programmer.  But = I run our local development and production machines/clusters.   J From day one, I wrote a com file to add a new user, very simple, sets the @ account and initial password, uic and disk (not as elaborate as M sys$examples:adduser.com) but serves our simple needs.  I have seen examples aP here of procedures/programs that get a new UIC.  Surely this sort of thing even O for a large number of new users in a uni should be simple wrappers around such v procedures?    Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,5
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiae   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,h; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:22:46 -0600v1 From: Glen Martin <GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>w' Subject: Re: openhack challenge and VMSn4 Message-ID: <399A7986.67298F75@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>   Niranjan Rajaghatta wrote:  G > Since VMS is purported to be a much more secure system, and there are  > lessF > known exploits on VMS boxes, why should not compaq do something like > this ?D > Iam sure VMS will come out on top and it will be a great marketing > posture/strategyE > for compaq. Something like 'hackvax.com' should be a catchy phrase.gI > Beat the right drums about VMS's invulnerability and chanting the rightj	 > phraseso3 > should give a boost to the VMS web server market.m  D The downside of this is that systems used in such hacking challengesG invariably get subjected to denial of service attacks from idiot script2G kiddies, rendering the system inaccessible to those legitimately tryingcF to crack it. Remember the Windows2000 and LinuxPPC hacking challenges?H Although they were not compromised, most of the time nobody could get to them.n   Glen   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:09:42 -0300e1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>i& Subject: RE: OpenVMS  7.3 Release DateK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE85C@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>u  , Hoff what's up with that, what's the date ??   > ---------- > From: C > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam[SMTP:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]t* > Reply To: 	hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) > Sent: 	Tuesday, August 15, 2000 7:51 PMr > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) > Subject: 	Re: OpenVMS  7.3 Release Dater >  >  > In articleJ > <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE831@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, "Boyle,- > Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:nD > :	Anyone know when 7.3 will be released and if it will be the same > :date for VAX & Alpha ?- > F >   I am aware of the current release schedule, and yes, respectively. > J >   (Ok, so I'm feeling rather pedantic today.  What was the question? :-) > 4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------e1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringy > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andeJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyinge of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaoF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:15:08 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS  7.3 Release Date; Message-ID: <Mlxm5.7375$pu4.587460@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>0  . > Hoff what's up with that, what's the date ?? >j  , The release date is sometime this fall IIRC.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:35:34 GMTb- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>1& Subject: Re: OpenVMS  7.3 Release Date( Message-ID: <399AA6B5.A5221A85@ohio.edu>  I Didn't you see his smiley?  Hoff has to be coy about the release date.  Im  thought he did it rather nicely.  #                                 RDPo     "Boyle, Darren" wrote:  . > Hoff what's up with that, what's the date ?? >y > > ----------	 > > From:eE > > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam[SMTP:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]t/ > > Reply To:     hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospamd2 > > Sent:         Tuesday, August 15, 2000 7:51 PM > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > > Subject:      Re: OpenVMS  7.3 Release Dates > >  > >  > > In articleL > > <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE831@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, "Boyle,/ > > Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:BJ > > :     Anyone know when 7.3 will be released and if it will be the same > > :date for VAX & Alpha ?  > >EH > >   I am aware of the current release schedule, and yes, respectively. > >dL > >   (Ok, so I'm feeling rather pedantic today.  What was the question? :-) > >r6 > >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > > --------------------------- 3 > >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringa > > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com > >e > >l >iH > **********************************************************************E > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and L > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.O > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyrM > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,gD > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.K > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingg  > of this message is prohibited. >w > Bank of Bermuda H > **********************************************************************   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 15:28:28 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS  7.3 Release Date6 Message-ID: <8nebus$35u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  h In article <J2mm5.504$QW4.13416@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> writes: :So what's the date?  K   The currently-expected date for the OpenVMS V7.3 release (VAX and Alpha)  J   is circa Q4CY2000/Q1CY2001 (depending on the exact engineering release, M   and on the replication and shipping).  The EFT1/SDK1 kit is available now, eI   and I'd expect to see the EFT2/SDK2 kit available circa September 2000.s  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:38:26 -0300-1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>c& Subject: RE: OpenVMS  7.3 Release DateK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE86A@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>I  G I wasn't aware the expected date could not be published, why is that ?.cK Obviously I understand it must be fully tested and the date could slide but  I just wanted a rough idea.a - Darren   > ----------2 > From: 	Richard D. Piccard[SMTP:piccard@ohio.edu] > Reply To: 	piccard@ohio.edu , > Sent: 	Wednesday, August 16, 2000 11:35 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) > Subject: 	Re: OpenVMS  7.3 Release Datev > K > Didn't you see his smiley?  Hoff has to be coy about the release date.  Ie" > thought he did it rather nicely. > % >                                 RDPi >  >  > "Boyle, Darren" wrote: > 0 > > Hoff what's up with that, what's the date ?? > >d > > > ---------- > > > From:oG > > > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam[SMTP:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]o1 > > > Reply To:     hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospamd4 > > > Sent:         Tuesday, August 15, 2000 7:51 PM! > > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm1 > > > Subject:      Re: OpenVMS  7.3 Release Daten > > >( > > >e > > > In articleF > > > <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE831@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>,	 > "Boyle, 1 > > > Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:sL > > > :     Anyone know when 7.3 will be released and if it will be the same > > > :date for VAX & Alpha ?d > > > J > > >   I am aware of the current release schedule, and yes, respectively. > > >AJ > > >   (Ok, so I'm feeling rather pedantic today.  What was the question? > :-)9 > > >08 > > >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion! > > > ---------------------------e5 > > >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringg  > > > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com > > >- > > >- > >-J > > **********************************************************************G > > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and A > > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacyj > legislation.L > > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > theyD > > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient,F > > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.E > > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution ort	 > copyingg" > > of this message is prohibited. > >l > > Bank of BermudanJ > > ********************************************************************** >  > --D > ==================================================================D > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerD > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesD > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:49:28 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>e& Subject: RE: OpenVMS  7.3 Release DateK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE86B@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>    Thanks,g - Darren   > ---------- > From:FC > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam[SMTP:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]s* > Reply To: 	hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam, > Sent: 	Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:28 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) > Subject: 	Re: OpenVMS  7.3 Release DateT >  > J > In article <J2mm5.504$QW4.13416@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, "Dave Pampreen"! > <davepampreen@home.com> writes:n > :So what's the date? > L >   The currently-expected date for the OpenVMS V7.3 release (VAX and Alpha) > L >   is circa Q4CY2000/Q1CY2001 (depending on the exact engineering release, I >   and on the replication and shipping).  The EFT1/SDK1 kit is availablen > now,  K >   and I'd expect to see the EFT2/SDK2 kit available circa September 2000.  > 4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------i1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringh > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andiJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingl of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 12:39:26 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)y) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Patches Mailing Listu0 Message-ID: <8ne21u$51s$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  ` In article <5.0.0.11.0.20000815134853.00a3eb90@clmail>, Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com> writes:@ >At 09:59 AM 08/15/2000 -0400, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote: >- >-F >>I have been having the same problem(s) but today I was able to go toE >><URL:  http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/mailing-list.html> andsK >>get signed up, so it may be fixed.  Now we'll see if any messages result.t >eL >I signed up today after seeing this post and I just got an announcement of 6 >a new ECO! Maybe they finally got it working again...  , So I tried to sign up again, too. And I got:J   "Because you are already subscribed, Lyris did not subscribe you again."3 But I didn't get the announcement of the new patch!f   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannt  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:28:37 -0400a- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>-) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Patches Mailing Listn/ Message-ID: <spl63t1vr5j135@corp.supernews.com>S  B Richard L. Dyson wrote in message <39993CA9.5D088DFA@uiowa.edu>... > ... B > However, speaking of the devil, I just today got a patch listingA >(ALPMANA02_071) for the first time in a LONG time (I sware it ise longerF >than last Feb 2000 like Peter reported...)  But, time flies when your >having fun... :)  >y? > Now, is this just a hiccup or is the patch list back on-line?h >We'll have to watch and see.h   > ...o  E Two people here received this patch notice today, two others did not,rA but our service rep tells us that all four of us are on the list.      -- $! Peter Weaverf8 $ input = "0756475627E277561667562704374756C636F6E23616" $ i = 0  $loop:, $ my_address2[i*4,4]=%X'F$EXTRACT(i,1,input) $ i = i + 1** $ if i .lt. f$length(input) then goto loop1 $ write sys$output "My address is ''my_address2'"=   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:36:00 GMTc1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>eF Subject: Re: Programmatic access to byte count rx/tx on TCP/IP socket.2 Message-ID: <399A8A73.40FA104F@clarityconnect.com>  E What will you be doing with the counts or is this just an exercise in)" obtaining obscure information? ;*)   Mark Daniel wrote: > I > Is it possible to access via $QIO the sent and received counts of a BG:. > device socket. > I > Furthermore (with due deference to Hoff's current pendantry :^) if this @ > is possible then is it practical?  And again, if so provide anI > explanation and possibly a code example if it's not straightforward (oraG > include where the interface documentation may be found :^)   If it isaJ > possible, is it known what versions of the BG: drive (UCX, DTCPIP, etc.)A > it is supported for (and if so please include this info. also)?- > A > Hmmm, I have a feeling I've left something out.  Oh well.  TIA.n   -- fD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:36:06 +0100e+ From: Dr Bal Sanghera <b.sanghera@ic.ac.uk> > Subject: reading data from siemans formatted philips LM1200 OD( Message-ID: <399AB4E6.86BD7A80@ic.ac.uk>   Hi  H Please excuse my lack of VAX / VMS knowledge before I explain my problem !d  B I am a research associate at Imperial College and I have a 12 inchD philips LM1200 OD which contains x-ray ct data from a siemans HiQ ctE scanner from india. I have no other info and assume that it was a VAXtE driven OD read/writer system written using siemans proprietry format.   C I can see the ct elbow images from the OD on a similar scanner at a D london hospital but cannot transfer the data to another media as the: scanner is not networked or connected to a CD read/writer.  G Recently we tried reading the OD at another london hospital which has adH philips scanner and OD read/writer driven by VAX/VMS. We could dump dataG from the OD when we mounted it as foreign otherwise we could not access @ any data. However the VAX system has limited memory and the fullG capacity of the OD would be very much above that limit. Ideally we onlyeC want to dump those blocks which contain image data. We dumped aboutDH 23,000 blocks of data which consisted mostly of large blocks of 0s or 2sH I think and there was a 'parity error' message with each block. AlthoughF at the beginning of the dump we did see the name of the hospital and a) volume number description among the data.t  A Does anyone know how to make the OD device 'native' or someway ofgF interogating the file system / structure so we can copy/dump the imageD dataset ? One colleague thinks that we may need to first recover theE image data as it could be a backup. If anyone has experience of these.C issues or can help with getting the data out then please contact mec a.s.a.p.   many thankse balp4 ____________________________________________________     Bal Sanghera PhD  Biomechanics Division (Room 812)! Mechanical Engineering Department 3 Imperial College of Science Technology and Medicineb London SW7 2BX   Tel : (+44) (0)207 594 7107I Fax : (+44) (0)207 823 8845   3 WWW (work) http://www.me.ic.ac.uk/case/biomechanicsl! WWW  http://members.xoom.com/bal1l  4 ____________________________________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:10:42 +0200e* From: "Markus Eymann" <eymannm@bluewin.ch>" Subject: Reconfigure Network Cards. Message-ID: <8nee4c$1sh$1@bw107zhb.bluewin.ch>   Hi everyone,  ; How could I delete my Network Devices and create them new??c   Thanks) please send answers to eymannm@bluewin.chd   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:48:48 +0000p- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>.& Subject: Re: Reconfigure Network Cards. Message-ID: <399AC5F0.226B2B77@fsi.net.mapson>   Markus Eymann wrote: >  > Hi everyone, > = > How could I delete my Network Devices and create them new??    ???s  3 'Fraid you'll need to provide more info. than that:    OpenVMS version?  ) Hardware (VAX or Alpha)?  Hardware Model?n   Configuration?  0 TCP/IP stack (CMU/IP, UCX, TCPware or Multinet)?  7 Other networking (DECnet, LAT, Pathworks, Samba, etc.)?d  G ...would be a good start. Then, you might want to include a description G of the problem you're seeing, and what you're trying to do to solve it,s and why.  h > Thanks+ > please send answers to eymannm@bluewin.ch   - As Hoff says, "Ask here, get an answer here."h   David J. Dachterae   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:30:01 -0400A* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: RMS Index Problem- Message-ID: <3999C469.EB8D2633@tsoft-inc.com>e   Dave O'Brien wrote:i > M > Our Data Management team has come up with an RMS puzzle that I haven't beenTM > able to solve.  The file involved is an indexed file, 299 bytes per record,P > 16 million total records.e > M > The problem comes in when they needed an additional field indexed.  For 95%pG > of the records, this field contains a U.  The other 5% of the recordseM > contain either an E, R, or P.  With this field not indexed, they try to run L > reports (Crystal Info through Easysoft ODBC), they often want to report onM > all records not equal to U.  With this field not indexed, this report takes M > forever since it needs to scan through every record in that file.  Indexingm$ > the file makes these reports fast.  L You've gotten some other responses, and they are pretty much on target.  RMSN secondary keys pretty much suck, and when you have lots of duplicates, they'reO downright unbearable.  Your add performance doesn't surprise me one bit, unless $ you're doing better than I'd expect.  O To look at the problem a bit differently, just what is the 'U' used for.  Is ituK possible ofr 'ALL' the applications to consider a blank field the same as a O 'U'?  While it might affect a large number of programs, this would allow you torM retain the key, while avoiding the large number (millions) of duplicates.  IfgA the number of programs is small, then this is the obvious choice.   J The reason for the performance hit is in how RMS (last time I was into theO internals) stores secondary keys.  If there is more than 1 record with the sameaO secondary key value, a key for each record isn't created.  (Thus the suggestioneP for making the keys unique with a timestamp.)  A single key value is set up, andI associated with a list of record numbers (RFA) in which that key value iskN stored.  The list of RFAs numbers is in the millions for the 'U', and the listO is processed sequentially.  Are you starting to gasp in horror?  Then, consider P that it's not just adds, it's also deletes that suffer.  Only when accessing theN records by this key do you see any good, ie; only the list of RFAs needs to beJ read, not a list of key values.  Personally, I would never have set up the secondary keys in this manner.  P Searching all records in a file does not need to take long.  Try a SEARCH on theO file to see what I'm talking about.  However, getting such efficiencies into ant application isn't always easy.  O Some other work arounds would be to once a day build a separate list of recordsgO and/or data for all records not including the 'U'.  There could be many reasonswF why this approach would NOT work.  However, if a significant number ofJ reports/queries use common data and selection, a periodic pre-processor toP select and store only relavent data in a work file can be a valid solution.  YouK haven't posted all requirements for this data so a total solution cannot beXO proposed, just information to allow you to determine how to solve your problem.e  M As for RMS secondary keys, be careful with them at all times, and avoid largeu# numbers of duplicates at all times.n   Dave   -- w4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:00:36 -0400 4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com> Subject: RE: RMS Index ProblemJ Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8505668250@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0078A.5A8EE2AE  Content-Type: text/plain;: 	charset="iso-8859-1"1  D To take a diferent approach, what about changing how you look at theK problem?  Can you put all of the records with U in one file, and those withkH "other" in another?  Would it make your logic too difficult?  What aboutI keeping a separate file with just and "index" of the records in the firstsI that only contain the "other" records?  There has to be another way to doe( this, that won't violate data integrity.   -----Original Message-----4 From: Dave O'Brien [mailto:obrien@mail.amergent.com] Sent: August 15, 2000 12:44 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt Subject: RMS Index Problem    L Our Data Management team has come up with an RMS puzzle that I haven't been L able to solve.  The file involved is an indexed file, 299 bytes per record,  16 million total records.y  L The problem comes in when they needed an additional field indexed.  For 95% F of the records, this field contains a U.  The other 5% of the records L contain either an E, R, or P.  With this field not indexed, they try to run K reports (Crystal Info through Easysoft ODBC), they often want to report on nL all records not equal to U.  With this field not indexed, this report takes L forever since it needs to scan through every record in that file.  Indexing " the file makes these reports fast.  G This is obviously an extremely inefficient index.  When trying to post tJ additional records, without the additional index, 7 records are posted in H less than 30 seconds.  With the index, it takes more than 12 minutes to L post these records.  I assume that RMS needs to rebuild the index with each L post, and rebuilding 95% of the 16 million records when a U record is added  is the problem.   G The programmers here seem to think there is a way in RMS to equate the 7G value U with null, therefore increasing the index efficiency.  Is this rJ true?  Will it really help?  Anyone have any ideas on how we can have our  cake and eat it too?  > Let me know if posting the FDL for this file would be helpful.   Thanks in advance for any help..   Dave      @ ----------------------------------------------------------------4 Dave O'Brien                     Phone: 978-531-18004 Director, Information Technology Fax:   978-531-4451@ Amergent                         Email: obrien@mail.amergent.com9 9 Centennial Drive               http://www.amergent.com/* Peabody, MA  01960@ ----------------------------------------------------------------      ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0078A.5A8EE2AEt Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">u <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =a charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2651.65">g$ <TITLE>RE: RMS Index Problem</TITLE> </HEAD>l <BODY>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>To take a diferent approach, what about changing how =I you look at the problem?&nbsp; Can you put all of the records with U in =*G one file, and those with &quot;other&quot; in another?&nbsp; Would it ==I make your logic too difficult?&nbsp; What about keeping a separate file = G with just and &quot;index&quot; of the records in the first that only =mF contain the &quot;other&quot; records?&nbsp; There has to be another == way to do this, that won't violate data integrity.</FONT></P>a  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>r+ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Dave O'Brien [<A =:I HREF=3D"mailto:obrien@mail.amergent.com">mailto:obrien@mail.amergent.com=E </A>]</FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: August 15, 2000 12:44 PM</FONT>3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>e4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RMS Index Problem</FONT> </P> <BR>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Our Data Management team has come up with an RMS =" puzzle that I haven't been </FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>able to solve.&nbsp; The file involved is an indexed =m# file, 299 bytes per record, </FONT>o3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>16 million total records.</FONT>  </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The problem comes in when they needed an additional =c$ field indexed.&nbsp; For 95% </FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of the records, this field contains a U.&nbsp; The =  other 5% of the records </FONT> H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>contain either an E, R, or P.&nbsp; With this field =$ not indexed, they try to run </FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reports (Crystal Info through Easysoft ODBC), they =f often want to report on </FONT>iF <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>all records not equal to U.&nbsp; With this field =& not indexed, this report takes </FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>forever since it needs to scan through every record =$ in that file.&nbsp; Indexing </FONT>< <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the file makes these reports fast.</FONT> </P>  > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>This is obviously an extremely inefficient =( index.&nbsp; When trying to post </FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>additional records, without the additional index, 7 = records are posted in </FONT>oI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>less than 30 seconds.&nbsp; With the index, it takes =e more than 12 minutes to </FONT>eI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>post these records.&nbsp; I assume that RMS needs to =*# rebuild the index with each </FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>post, and rebuilding 95% of the 16 million records =p  when a U record is added </FONT>) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>is the problem.</FONT>$ </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The programmers here seem to think there is a way in = RMS to equate the </FONT>@F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>value U with null, therefore increasing the index =! efficiency.&nbsp; Is this </FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>true?&nbsp; Will it really help?&nbsp; Anyone have =/( any ideas on how we can have our </FONT>. <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>cake and eat it too?</FONT> </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Let me know if posting the FDL for this file would be =s helpful.</FONT>g </P>  8 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks in advance for any help.</FONT> </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dave</FONT>g </P> <BR> <BR>  
 <P><FONT =I SIZE=3D2>---------------------------------------------------------------=n -</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dave =tI O'Brien&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=-@ ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phone: = 978-531-1800</FONT>-F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Director, Information Technology Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp; = 978-531-4451</FONT>  <BR><FONT =tI SIZE=3D2>Amergent&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=1I nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=-8 nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Email: obrien@mail.amergent.com</FONT>! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>9 Centennial =-I Drive&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=e8 nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A HREF=3D"http://www.amergent.com/" =5 TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.amergent.com/</A></FONT> 1 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Peabody, MA&nbsp; 01960</FONT>A <BR><FONT =.I SIZE=3D2>---------------------------------------------------------------=g -</FONT> </P> <BR>   </BODY>t </HTML>L) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0078A.5A8EE2AE--t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:03:26 -0400.' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  Subject: Re: RMS Index Problem( Message-ID: <8nedse$shc$1@pyrite.mv.net>  5 David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ' news:3999C469.EB8D2633@tsoft-inc.com...l   ...a  I > You've gotten some other responses, and they are pretty much on target.4 RMSEH > secondary keys pretty much suck, and when you have lots of duplicates, they'reR > downright unbearable.   J While the latter half of the statement is certainly true for the number ofG duplicates being discussed here, as long as the number of duplicates isuG small enough for all the RFA pointers for a given key value to fit in a J single bucket (I'd hope that today's RMS is suave enough never to split upH such an RFA list when other splitting options exist) performance is justF fine (relative to theoretical optimal performance), as it also is with non-duplicated secondary keys.  C That reflects a fundamental performance trade-off RMS made from theoH beginning, compared with other multi-key access methods such as Tandem'sJ which use primary key values rather than RFAs as pointers in the secondaryG indexes (thus requiring *2* full index traversals to obtain a record by K secondary key).  Supporting permanent-RFA-style access costs performance onfI record insertions (save for initial population in primary-key order) eveneJ when no secondary indexes exist, but makes secondary-key access (when theyL do exist) - both random and sequential - as fast as it's possible to achieveJ in an architecture that supports primary key access at all (which requiresI that records be able to move in order to remain in primary-key sequence).C  F Some architectures (e.g., Prime's KSAM, IIRC) avoided the issue by notK supporting a primary key at all, so records never had to move, RFAs existedeI without the need for internal RRVs requiring updating on user-data-bucketsG splits, and secondary indexes could always point directly to the actualuJ record using a physical address.  However, in such an architecture there'sK no way to get good *sequential* performance on *any* key (since each record F usually requires a separate disk access):  one can work around this inG special cases by populating the file in a desired access order and thentJ processing it in that physical order, but as soon as records start gettingJ deleted the holes reduce access efficiency - whereas deletions in a b-treeF primary index allow the possibility to 'coalescing' to maintain recordL groupings and sequential access efficiency (though whether RMS supports this dynamically I don't know).  E So, except in cases of large numbers of duplicates for individual keySG values, RMS secondary indexes perform as efficiently as is possible and H better than most competing implementations (leaving aside non-structuralB issues such as the degree to which write-back caching coupled withH transactional logging might be able to improve RMS's general performanceB without sacrificing integrity).  The only question is whether thisK performance may have been obtained at too great a sacrifice in other areas:hC maintaining permanent RFAs for records that move around to maintain L primary-key order is expensive.  A possible alternative would be the abilityJ to define a primary index in which new records were automatically assignedI monotonically-increasing key values, which could be used in the secondary K indexes as Tandem does but would be highly-compressible (making the primarykJ index traversal not that much less efficient than RFA access):  this wouldH give very good sequential access by primary key (though in an order thatF might not be useful in other than whole-file scans), good access by anK RFA-like ID (the primary key), and pretty good secondary key access (thoughl* not always as good as it is in RMS today).  A The bottom line is that supporting multi-key access requires some8E trade-offs.  RMS's weren't bad.  The issue of having large numbers of:K duplicates for a given key value is fairly orthogonal to secondary indexing_L per se (the same problem occurs with large numbers of primary dupes):  ChrisC Saether and I explored various improvements back in 1978 to improvetJ insertion performance (there's no obvious way to avoid a full dupe scan onA alternate-key deletions), but AFAIK nothing ever got implemented.h   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:34:28 GMT - From: leonard.sobczynski@compaq.com (EzRider) > Subject: Re: TCPIP problem on an Alphaserver with OpenVMS v7.21 Message-ID: <399ac1f0.2522413769@news.compaq.com>i  1 On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:28:32 +0100, Kevin Collinsn <K.J.Collins@hw.ac.uk> wrote:    *WORKAROUND:< *assumes the following: OpenVMS Alpha 7.2, with TCP/IP V5.0A *   decnet/osi 7.2 * : *Contact Compaq Services for a workaround to this problem. * Contract requiredo  A A kit has been developed, but has been released as of this entry.r   Hope this helps.   Cheers EzRiderc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:00:49 +0000t$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk  Subject: Re: VMS on a notebook ?/ Message-ID: <0025693D.0047942C.00@quegw01.btyp>w  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazaw    % Well, here's the contact information;-   Toll Free 877 636 4 DEC (332)u   Island Computers US Corporationm 2700 Gregory Streete	 Suite 150. Savannah GA 31404R Tel: 912 447 6622e Fax: 912 201 0096. sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  N Just make sure Wayne doesn't read this, or he'll accuse me of spamming...  ;-p  E Just wish he'd rather divert his attentions to Bill T et al and their ' meanderings which are cluttering up thecN bandwidth - why not take your bickering outside the newsgroup? Sorry, drifting there...   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagese        5 Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> on 15/08/2000 11:42:19 PMs    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)BB From:      Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>, 15 August 2000, 11:42 p.m.   Re: VMS on a notebook ?h        1 Sorry, could you give me complete dialing number?e I'm in north america.e   B.  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:s  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazao >aK > Try David Turner at Island - I know he was after getting some refurbishedaH > Tadpole Alphabooks from someone in the UK, but not sure how he got on. >  > Steve Spires >o7 > Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> on 15/08/2000 12:57:34 PMl >a" > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)pD > From:      Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>, 15 August 2000, 12:57 p.m. >a > VMS on a notebook ?  >gE > I got to thinking that Sun has these cool sparc notebooks, and eveneI > older models like the tadpole boxes which are fairly cheap (depending),e > so...  > C > Is it possible to get VMS on a notebook in any way shape or form?(I > I was thinking for recent technology, maybe an Alpha notebook (if therer* > are such things) could possibly run VMS?3 > Are there older notebooks from DEC that run VMS ?t4 > anyway to get something small, light and portable?I > the smallest I can think of is a 4000/vlc (the size of a vxt2000 base).d >mF > Anyone have any ideas how you could do this, or if it's possible, or > maybe evenG > know where I can find one or maybe maybe have one you'd be willing tor: > part with (although it might be cheaper to make my own?) >d > enquiring minds want to know.  >l > Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:25:39 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>s  Subject: Re: VMS on a notebook ?. Message-ID: <spl92hnor5j62@corp.supernews.com>  > hg/jb wrote in message <3999C752.C06FEF4A@bellatlantic.net>...+ >think about charon vax on a fast notebook.o( >Might work...I have not tried it - YET. >...    ? I have Charon-VAX running on a P150 with 32MB of memory runningtD Win98SE. It works great as long as you are not trying to do anything' else on the machine when it is running.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:45:35 GMTi= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)a  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS0 Message-ID: <009EEADE.6D6FBA3D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <spk3elplr5j171@news.supernews.com>, dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) writes: ' >Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:  >o) >> David P. Murphy <dpm@myths.com> wrote m > = >>> It's a free newsgroup, they're welcome to post as long as  >>>   they're polite.r >fG >> Your opinion, which you're welcome to.  I framed my comments as *my* J >> opinion, which I see no reason to change:  in my opinion, there comes aE >> point where continuing output-only contributions become pollution.t >nD >how reminiscent of carl.os.vms:  one person deciding when "opinion"                     ^^^^^^^^^^^0' :)  Now where have I heard that before?      >becomes "pollution".>  G I think Bill should remove all the restraints and call everybody "shit-92 for-brains", then it would be more like old times.    M >> The way I play usually reflects what the people I'm responding to deserve.l >  >And you're proud of that?  E Sounds like Bill is suffering from a chronic case of Lydickia.  You, nD David, as well as many others here who've sufferred tongue-lashings D from the late Mr. CJL should know that seeking tollerance is nothing9 more than an invite to further this sort of intollerance.W   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:41:29 GMTo% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)e  Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS. Message-ID: <spldh91nr5j78@news.supernews.com>  & Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:  ' > David P. Murphy <dpm@myths.com> wroteo  F >> how reminiscent of carl.os.vms:  one person deciding when "opinion" >> becomes "pollution".S  M > And another deciding in a different manner.  Seems you value my right to ane& > opinion somewhat less than your own.  * You are objecting to JM and David posting.@ I am objecting to your objecting.  There is no other difference.  > There really is no "fair" way of determining who's right here,9 since value judgements are the whole of it, but try this: = count the number of people who object to *you* and then countw how many object to *me*.  C >Or perhaps you're just incapable of understanding such subtleties.   = You've got a hair-trigger there, Bill.  Any particular reason = you're trying to insult me?  You've already claimed that you uB descend to the level of the person with whom you're conversing ---/ but I've been holding a clean, reasonable chat.d  = And you keep ducking the $ DIR /SORT= issue!  C'mon, pick up!    ok dpm2 -- t3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/t- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comlC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)pC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:00:33 -0400y' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>   Subject: Re: VMS Vs any other OS( Message-ID: <8neh7g$44p$1@pyrite.mv.net>  0 David P. Murphy <dpm@myths.com> wrote in message( news:spldh91nr5j78@news.supernews.com...( > Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote: >-) > > David P. Murphy <dpm@myths.com> wroteB >nH > >> how reminiscent of carl.os.vms:  one person deciding when "opinion" > >> becomes "pollution".e   ...   ? > You've got a hair-trigger there, Bill.  Any particular reasoni> > you're trying to insult me?  You've already claimed that youD > descend to the level of the person with whom you're conversing ---1 > but I've been holding a clean, reasonable chat.-  J As with the quote I included above?  My impression is that comparison withA Lydick would constitute a pretty direct insult, but since I neverMJ encountered his offerings that's only an inference.  And I won't bother toG recapitulate from your other posts considerably more direct aspersions.r  K When you choose to join an already-heated discussion in anything other thanDL a carefully courteous manner, expect to join in the heat as well.  So eitherG your comment above is a feeble attempt at humor, or you're an idiot, or  both.   F But what *is* clear is that you have nothing interesting to say.  Bye.   - bill   > ? > And you keep ducking the $ DIR /SORT= issue!  C'mon, pick up!  >  > ok > dpmu > --5 > David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/o/ > systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comhE >                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal) E > COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:46:41 +0100:B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>- Subject: Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)3* Message-ID: <399AB761.A2C4BEE9@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:n  , > In article <39997C40.8030F49A@uk.sun.com>,F > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:@ > >TechWise used the relative SPECint performance of the systems. > >to adjust the system sizes for each vendor. > >[much spinning snipped] >IG > I'm not prepared to argue your dizzying array of statistics except torL > comment that if these TCO numbers were based on SpecINT then I'd expect toI > see a much greater advantage for Alpha based systems if you factored in G > SpecFP ratings.  Last I checked, the AlphaServer systems were leaderseG > in FP performance.  If you factored FP performance in, I would expectFF > that a smaller relatively less expensive system would be compared toB > a very high-end Sparc system, making the TCO much better for the > AlphaServer system.s >W  A I am not sure what your point is if there was one. TechWise usingIB SPECfp for their analysis rather than SPECint would heve been even? more ludicrous. Sure Alpha servers have good SPECfp numbers but B TechWise were measuring (if this is the right description) TCO for< commercial servers and in case you hadn't noticed commercial? applications workloads don't tend to be very FP intensive. GooddF FP performance is not going to be an influencing factor in Oracle/RDB/< Sybase/Informix/SAPWeb/Mail/FS/Messaging Server performance.   >2 > >t > >Andrew Harrison > >Enterprise IT Architect > >. > >; > >s > F > "Enterprise IT Architect"?  Why is it that you always are ready withF > so much material that was obviously generated from the Sun Marketing
 > Department?< >N  I Well I can say that I have worked for marketing, I did a 3 month rotation H into marketing as part of a program for engineers to find out what otherI bits of the business do. It was most illuminating but did not tempt me to= move.i  = Gosh an engineer who knows something about Sun's products and B something about other vendors products (why would this be unusual)6 Ohhh I am sorry I forgot you don't do that do you :):)   >/B > Then, we've seen reports on this newsgroup that you were sighted- > supporting sales demonstrations in England.T >Z  D Gosh an enginner in front of a customer (why would this be unusual).8 Ohhh I am sorry I forgot you don't do that do you :):):)   >-C > Saying you are one thing when you are obviously something else isB > a form of lying. >t  F I doubt I will convince you, but writing Sun's UK's HA-Cluster productE is not normally a sales or marketing function (that would be unusual)7       regardsT Andrew HarrisonE Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2000 12:31:44 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)p- Subject: Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)&* Message-ID: <8neflg$no5$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <399AB761.A2C4BEE9@uk.sun.com>,D Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >Jordan Henderson wrote: >b- >> In article <39997C40.8030F49A@uk.sun.com>,pG >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:eA >> >TechWise used the relative SPECint performance of the systems// >> >to adjust the system sizes for each vendor.- >> >[much spinning snipped]- >>H >> I'm not prepared to argue your dizzying array of statistics except toM >> comment that if these TCO numbers were based on SpecINT then I'd expect touJ >> see a much greater advantage for Alpha based systems if you factored inH >> SpecFP ratings.  Last I checked, the AlphaServer systems were leadersH >> in FP performance.  If you factored FP performance in, I would expectG >> that a smaller relatively less expensive system would be compared toaC >> a very high-end Sparc system, making the TCO much better for thea >> AlphaServer system. >> >aB >I am not sure what your point is if there was one. TechWise usingC >SPECfp for their analysis rather than SPECint would heve been evend@ >more ludicrous. Sure Alpha servers have good SPECfp numbers butC >TechWise were measuring (if this is the right description) TCO fore= >commercial servers and in case you hadn't noticed commerciali@ >applications workloads don't tend to be very FP intensive. GoodG >FP performance is not going to be an influencing factor in Oracle/RDB/l= >Sybase/Informix/SAPWeb/Mail/FS/Messaging Server performance.u >m  @ You were the one who questioned the Techwise report based on theA fact that it compared systems based on SpecINT numbers.  Now, youm> quote some other, possibly irrelevant benchmark, to prove that= the TCO for AlphaServers/OpenVMS can't possibly be as good aso those for Sun/Sparc/Solaris.  > Was that just smoke?  Criticizing the report because you could/ and then changing subject?  Spin, spin, spin...e   >> >> > >> >Andrew Harrison  >> >Enterprise IT Architectn >> > >> > >> > >>G >> "Enterprise IT Architect"?  Why is it that you always are ready withoG >> so much material that was obviously generated from the Sun Marketingc >> Department? >> >sJ >Well I can say that I have worked for marketing, I did a 3 month rotationI >into marketing as part of a program for engineers to find out what otherpJ >bits of the business do. It was most illuminating but did not tempt me to >move. >t> >Gosh an engineer who knows something about Sun's products andC >something about other vendors products (why would this be unusual)u7 >Ohhh I am sorry I forgot you don't do that do you :):)e >e  A Gosh an engineer who always has a slew of comparison material and < statistics to prove his points.  Sounds like a Sales Support	 Engineer.u  > An "IT Architect" who is a frequent poster to comp.os.vms (andC never to comp.os.solaris or comp.sys.sun, as far as I can tell from D deja.com searches).  Looks like a FUD campaigner to me (a marketing 
 function).   >>C >> Then, we've seen reports on this newsgroup that you were sightedm. >> supporting sales demonstrations in England. >> >nE >Gosh an enginner in front of a customer (why would this be unusual). 9 >Ohhh I am sorry I forgot you don't do that do you :):):)a >e  D Of course, you don't know anything about me, but I can tell you thatC I work at a customer site and I am in front of customers every day.t   >>D >> Saying you are one thing when you are obviously something else is >> a form of lying.n >> > G >I doubt I will convince you, but writing Sun's UK's HA-Cluster producttF >is not normally a sales or marketing function (that would be unusual) >a  C This is a retired, or at least not the current offering, HA-Clusterr> product, no?  It's not uncommon for an engineer to move on to 
 marketing.   >l >l >regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect >  >w >h   -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:41:43 +0000e- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>i- Subject: Re: VMS vs unix (the true contender)h. Message-ID: <399AC447.2FA2ED54@fsi.net.mapson>   Jordan Henderson wrote:t > , > In article <399AB761.A2C4BEE9@uk.sun.com>,F > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: [Total snippage]  	 Oh, dear!,  < I fear BT & Co. have set rather a bad example for the group.  : In so far as I may be to blame for any of this, mea culpa!   David J. Dachterae   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 05:40:49 GMT+ From: "Gerke Grashuis" <g.grashuis@kpn.com>v Subject: Re: X windows8 Message-ID: <01c00744$4b239e90$8d4c15ac@HKTGN9911301604>   Try $CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACHEDe  
 Good luck, Gerken  ; Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> schreef in artikeleF <791C2856E8FDD211BAFB0008C759919501A62861@exchange01.govnet.gov.fj>...J > I have a X windows enabled VMS system. I want to connect to it using a XG > windows emulation system from a windows platform. I do not know which K > command to run to tell the VMS Server to start a X windows session for meo= > and dump the output on my windows based emulation software.1 > K > Can anyone please provide me withe the commandline for achieving this....J >  > Thanks	 > Nivlesh  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:29:49 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o Subject: Re: X windows) Message-ID: <399A7B2D.E73575E8@gtech.com>u   Nivlesh Chandra wrote:J > I have a X windows enabled VMS system. I want to connect to it using a XG > windows emulation system from a windows platform. I do not know whichyK > command to run to tell the VMS Server to start a X windows session for me7= > and dump the output on my windows based emulation software.o > K > Can anyone please provide me withe the commandline for achieving this....    Try one of:3   $ MCR DECW$TERMINALs $ MCR DECW$STARTLOGING   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:02:00 GMT0, From: Mike Price <michael_price@my-deja.com> Subject: RE: X windows) Message-ID: <8ndvrg$g5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  D I had a similar problem when out PC support gorup insisted we switch@ from excursion to Exceed. We had loads of 'fun' working out what" command to tell Exceed to execute.C I discovered then the X client send( in out case at least) an REXECm& command to the server (the VMS system)G The command from Excursion appeared to be create/term/detach (as posted@ before).G BUT that wasn't actually true. It really executes a command file calledy PCX$SERVER.COM  G I eventually modified this to make things easier (i.e. less parameters)d   Here is a copy of it   $ set noverify !V507H $!---------------------------------------------------------------------- --!T. $! PCX$SERVER.COM - Start up X applications to eXcursion                  !H $!---------------------------------------------------------------------- --!o $!H ************************************************************************ *d $! *o *r$ $!*  COPYRIGHT (c) 1988 THROUGH 1996& BY                                   *, $!*  DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION, MAYNARD, MASS.                        * $!*  ALL RIGHTSg; RESERVED.                                                 *  $! *k *  $!H ************************************************************************ *l $! $!H ************************************************************************ $!H ************************************************************************ $!D $!      New version hardcoding TCP/IP parameters for use with Exceed? $!      so that the command line input is as simple as possible  $! $! $!H ************************************************************************ $!H ************************************************************************ $!*  $!* PCX$SERVER.COM $!* 5 $!* 12-Apr-1995 V5.0-7 for eXcursion and PCDECwindows  $!*y@ $!* The purpose of this file is for Remote Startup of X clients.E $!* For VMS/DECnet systems, this command file will be executed when a  serverB $!* connects to object named PCX$SERVER, number 0.  For VMS TCP/IP systems,; $!* this command file will be executed by the REXEC server.: $!*oA $!* This command file is useful on other VMS systems that supportg DECwindows.mH $!* The following commands show you how to install this program on other $!* systems: $!* C $!* To be able to remote start X applications from a VMS node using  DECnet:n? $!*  1. Login to the other VMS system using the SYSTEM account.lC $!*  2. Rename or delete any older versions of PCX$SERVER.COM.  For  example:5 $!*     RENAME /LOG PCX$SERVER.COM;* PCX$SERVER.OLD;*u< $!*  3. COPY /LOG node"user pass"::SYS$SYSTEM:PCX$SERVER.COM SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]a@ $!*  4. SET PROT=(S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RWED,W:RE) SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] PCX$SERVER.COM $!*  5. NCP := $NCP3= $!*  6. NCP DEFINE OBJECT PCX$SERVER FILE SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]  PCX$SERVER.COM - $!*     NUMBER 0: $!*  7. NCP SET OBJECT PCX$SERVER FILE SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] PCX$SERVER.COM - $!*     NUMBER 0 $!*eC $!* To be able to remote start X applications from a VMS node usingn TCP/IP$ $!* perform steps 1 through 4 above. $!*  $!H ************************************************************************ $!+ $!  Cancel any symbols for dcl verbs we uset- $   write sys$output "***===***"+p1+"****"+p2e $   assign = "assign"  $   close = "close"" $   create = "create"  $   define = "define"  $   goto = "goto"a
 $   if = "if" 
 $   on = "on"" $   open = "open"h $   read = "read"o $   set = "set"i $   show = "show"o $   spawn = "spawn"s $   wait = "wait"  $   write = "write"  $!9 $   set message /facility /identification /severity /texto $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!  $!2 $!   First check for DECNET username and disallow: $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!d $!G $   IF f$edit(f$getjpi("", "USERNAME"), "COLLAPSE") .EQS. "DECNET" THEN  -t         goto security_risk $! $  ON warning THEN EXITo $! $  decnet_object = 0
 $  is_DCL = 0o $  version_ge_53 = 0 $  version = "4" $  version4 = "4"u $  version3 = "3"o $  server = "0". $  screen = "0"p
 $  pwdexp = 0RH $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!T $!D $!      See if the VXT pieces are present, and use them, if they are $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!c $!C $ IF "''VXT_LOGIN_NORESTART'" .EQS. "" THEN VXT_LOGIN_NORESTART = -s   F$TRN("VXT$LOGIN_NORESTART")< $ IF (VXT_LOGIN_NORESTART .EQS. "") .OR. VXT_LOGIN_NORESTART# $ THEN VXT_LOGIN_NORESTART = "TRUE" $ $ ELSE VXT_LOGIN_NORESTART = "FALSE" $ ENDIF < $ VXT$WSA = F$ELE(0,";",F$SEARCH("VXT$LIBRARY:VXT$WSA.EXE")) $ IF VXT$WSA .EQS. ""n $ THEN@ $    VXT$WSA = F$ELE(0,";",F$SEARCH(F$PARSE("VXT$WSA.EXE;",F$ENV ("PROCEDURE")))) $ ENDIFw $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!c $!F $!   If we got any command line parameters, this is the TCP/IP version $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!e $!( $  if p1 .eqs. "" then decnet_object = 1- $  if decnet_object then goto open_DECnetlinkl $! $  REM_TRAN := TCPIP $! $  set noon/H $  if f$search( "sys$login:ucx$rexecd_startup.log;-10" ) .nes. "" then -3         purge /keep=6 /nolog ucx$rexecd_startup.log  $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!e $!1 $!   Parse the command line parameters for TCP/IPc $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!1 $!@ $  vers = 4                                     ! version number? $  server = 0                                   ! server number ? $  screen = 0                                   ! screen numberjE $  tran = "TCPIP"                               ! transport (TCPIP or  DECnet) ; $  node = p1                                    ! Node name > $  cmd = p2                                     ! Full Command $ open/write f1 exceed.out $ write f1 "node = "+noder $ write f1 "cmd = "+cmdr $  goto continue $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!  $!, $!   Open the connection and redirect output $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!  $! $open_DECnetlink:a $  REM_TRAN := DECNETd $  ON error THEN goto shutdown, $  open /read /write pcx_server_link sys$net $  set noonl? $  if f$search( "sys$login:netserver.log;-10" ) .nes. "" then -h*         purge /keep=6 /nolog netserver.log@ $  if f$search( "sys$login:net$server.log;-10" ) .nes. "" then -+         purge /keep=6 /nolog net$server.logr $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!t $!$ $!   Read a  command from the server $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!  $!? $    read /end_of_file=shutdown /error=shutdown pcx_server_linkc
 cmd_string $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!m $!= $!   Parse the command string (for v3 added version checking)  $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!r $!> $  vers = f$element(0, "," , cmd_string)      ! version number+ $  if vers .NE. version4 then goto version3m= $  server = f$element(1, ",", cmd_string)     ! server number = $  screen = f$element(2, ",", cmd_string)     ! screen number9A $  tran = f$element(3, "," , cmd_string)      ! transport (TCP orc DECnet)C9 $  node = f$element(4, "," , cmd_string)      ! Node namec? $  cmdpos = f$locate( node, cmd_string ) + f$length( node ) + 1v> $  cmd  = f$extract( cmdpos, 9999, cmd_string ) ! Full Command $  goto continue
 $version3:+ $  if vers .NE. version3 then goto version2  $  version = "3"A $  tran = f$element(1, "," , cmd_string)      ! transport (TCP orr DECnet)s9 $  node = f$element(2, "," , cmd_string)      ! Node namen< $  cmd  = f$element(3, "," , cmd_string)      ! Full Command $  goto continue
 $version2: $  version = "2"9 $  node = f$element(0, "," , cmd_string)      ! Node nameo< $  cmd  = f$element(1, "," , cmd_string)      ! Full Command $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!O $!
 $continue:D $  semic = f$locate( ";:;", cmd )             ! delimits VMS command# $  cmd = f$extract( 0, semic, cmd )CB $  exe = f$element( 0, " ", cmd )             ! Name of program or command fileE $  rest_of_cmd = f$locate( " ", cmd )         ! Save the command-line 
 parameters7 $  params = f$extract( rest_of_cmd, f$length(cmd), cmd)  $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!  $! $!   Check for expired passwordo $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!M $!. $  chkpwdfile = "SYS$SYSTEM:PCX$CHKPWDEXP.EXE"% $  IF f$search( chkpwdfile ) .nes. "" 
 $     THEN $         mcr 'chkpwdfilec6 $         IF $status .eq. %X00D380CC !password expired $            THEN ! $                IF decnet_objectn7 $                   THEN write pcx_server_link "PWDEXP"a2 $                   ELSE write sys$output "PWDEXP" $                   ENDIF  $                is_DCL = 1 1 $                pwdexp = 1 !password has expiredtD $                !start a nologged-in terminal so user can change it? $                runfile = "create/terminal/detach/nologged_in"  $                goto runith $            ELSEh# $                write sys$output -tC                         "PCX$SERVER_MSG: check for expired password 	 enabled."g $            ENDIF $     ENDIFa $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!e $!6 $!   Check for DCL command - if first character is "$" $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!B $! $  dollar = f$locate("$", cmd) $  IF dollar .eq. 0b $   THEN $       is_DCL = 12 $       runfile = f$extract(1, f$length(cmd), cmd) $       goto runit	 $   ENDIF  $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !- $!G $!   Check to see if command is a .COM file in SYS$LOGIN and SYS$SYSTEM( $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !8 $!A $  IF f$locate(".COM", f$edit(exe, "UPCASE"))  .lt. f$length(exe)m $  THENw1 $       comfile1 = f$parse(exe, "", "sys$login:")c& $       IF f$search(comfile1) .EQS. "" $       THEN: $               comfile1 = f$parse(exe, "", "sys$system:")B $               if f$search(comfile1) .EQS. "" THEN  goto notfound
 $       ENDIFE' $       runfile :== @'comfile1''params'a $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !m $!G $!  Check to see if command is an .EXE file in SYS$LOGIN and SYS$SYSTEMt $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !c $! $  ELSEa3 $       runfile1 = f$parse(exe,".EXE","sys$login:")S& $       IF f$search(runfile1) .EQS. "" $       THEN< $               runfile1 = f$parse(exe,".EXE","sys$system:")A $               IF f$search(runfile1) .EQS. "" THEN goto notfounds
 $       ENDIFdG $       if f$locate( ";", runfile1 ) .eq. f$length( runfile1 ) - 1 thent - ) $               runfile1 = runfile1 - ";"I $!' $       runfile :== $'runfile1''params'o $  ENDIF
 $  GOTO runitf $! $!G $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!S $! $! File not found error handlerm $!G $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!e $!
 $notfound: $  IF decnet_object 
 $     THEN+ $         write pcx_server_link "NOT FOUND"  $         close pcx_server_linkd
 $     ELSE. $         write sys$output "''cmd': not found" $     ENDIFl $  EXIT/ $! $runit:e $! $  SET noonn% $  DEFINE /nolog sys$error sys$outputt $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $!; $!   Parse the node name from the x.yyy format into xxxxx::o $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $!) $! check for old version of PC DECwindowsr1 $ if version .EQS. "2" then goto decnet_transport  $! $! new version, check transporta3 $ if tran .EQS. "DECNET" then goto decnet_transport> $!# $! TCPIP Node - just use NODE as ist $ node_name = "''NODE'">E $!  set display /create /node='NODE /server='server /screen='screen -t $!      /transport=tcpip $! $ goto continue_transport  $! $decnet_transport: $! DECNET Node# $    area = f$element(0, ".", NODE)d& $    address = f$element(1, ".", NODE)& $    node_name = area * 1024 + address $! $! DECnet define5 $!    define decw$display 'node_name::'server.'screenl: $!    set display /create /node='node_name /server='server /screen='screen -e $!      /transport=decneta $! $continue_transport: $! $! Use VXT stuff, if present $! $ IF VXT$WSA .NES. ""r $ THEN2 $    DEFINE/NOLOG/USER VXT$REM_NODE "''node_name'". $    DEFINE/NOLOG/USER VXT$REM_TRAN 'REM_TRAN'. $    DEFINE/NOLOG/USER VXT$REM_SERVER 'server'. $    DEFINE/NOLOG/USER VXT$REM_SCREEN 'screen' $    RUN 'VXT$WSA' $    IF .NOT $STATUS	 $    THEN  $       STATUS = $STATUSB $       WRITE SYS$ERROR "%VXT$SERVER-F-NODISPLAY, Failed to create
 display to noa% de ''REM_NODE' transport ''REM_TRAN'". $       GOTO shutdowns
 $    ENDIF $ ELSE $    SETE DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE='node_name'/TRANSPORT='REM_TRAN'/server='server'-          /screen='screen' $ ENDIFo $!$ $    ON error THEN goto kill_display $    if decnet_objectr
 $        theno $            SHOW DISPLAY ' $            write pcx_server_link "OK"m" $            close pcx_server_link $            write sys$output -n?                         "PCX$SERVER_MSG: Starting the followingn
 application:"s' $            write sys$output ''runfilen
 $        elseu" $            write sys$output "OK" $        endif $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! $!- $! Special case for DECterm terminal emulatorc $!H $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! $!( $       vmsversion = F$GETSYI("VERSION")2 $       version_number = F$EXTRACT(1,3,vmsversion)< $       IF version_number .GES. "5.3" THEN version_ge_53 = 1A $       IF version_number .LTS. "4.0" THEN version_ge_53 = 1 !for  OpenVMS< $!E $       !if we started via REXEC, redirect application output to NULLr $       if .not. decnet_object $          then>* $             define /nolog sys$output nl:) $             define /nolog sys$error nl:w $          endif $!  $       IF pwdexp .EQ. 0 .AND. -G                 f$edit( f$parse(exe,,,"name","syntax_only"),"UPCASE") - ?                 .EQS. "DECW$TERMINAL" THEN goto decterm_handlerr $!F $       define /nolog /user DECW$LOGIN_NORESTART 'VXT_LOGIN_NORESTART' $       IF is_DCL .EQS. 15 $       THEN $          'runfile< $       ELSE $          runfile
 $       ENDIFs $  GOTO good_bye $! $decterm_handler:9  $       IF version_ge_53 .EQS. 1 $       THEN# $          create /terminal /detach  $          goto good_bye $       ELSE/ $!        old decterm creation method - yuch!!!x# $         parent_proc = f$process()a, $         front = f$extract(0,4,parent_proc), $         back = f$extract(9,10,parent_proc)0 $         decterm_proc :== "''front'TERM''back'"3 $         spawn /nowait /process='decterm_proc' runn sys$system:decw$terminal.exe= $         runfile :== $sys$system:decw$mail_createDecterm.exea $         runfilevB $!        check the decnet link, stay active until link is dropped $         wait 00:00:30-5 $         assign /user 'decterm_proc'1.lis sys$output:2 $         mcr ncp show known links with node 'node5 $         assign /user 'decterm_proc'2.lis sys$outputg* $         search 'decterm_proc'1.lis 'node9 $         open linkname 'decterm_proc'2.lis /error=nolink. $      loop:5 $          read /end_of_file=endfile linkname thisone @ $          if f$locate("''decterm_proc'", thisone) .eq. f$length (thisone) THEN -!                         goto loop  $          rightone = thisonew $      endfile:  $          close linknamee $      nolink:; $          delete 'decterm_proc'1.lis;,'decterm_proc'2.lis;f6 $          rightone = f$edit(rightone,"TRIM,COMPRESS") $          show symbol rightone-- $          IF .not $status THEN goto good_byem8 $!         Loop, looking for connection to be terminated1 $          linknumber = f$element(0," ",rightone)  $      islinkthere:b $          wait 00:07:00) $          mcr ncp show link 'linknumber'x+ $          IF $status THEN goto islinkthere 0 $          write sys$output "Link has gone away" $          goto good_bye
 $       ENDIFs $! $!G $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!a $! $! Shutdown connection $!G $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  $!
 $good_bye:F $ wait 0:00:30                          ! let the DISPLAY live a while longer $! $ IF version_ge_53 .EQS. 1 $ THEN $ !! set display /delete $ ELSE $    set display /noperm $ ENDIF- $ exit $kill_display: $ IF version_ge_53 .EQS. 1 $ THEN $    set display /delete $ ELSE $    set display /noperm $ ENDIF-
 $shutdown:- $ if decnet_object then close pcx_server_link  $ exit $!G $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!d $!: $! Security_risk (error occured, write a message and exit) $!G $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!S $! $security_risk:  $  write sys$output - E    "PCX$SERVER_MSG: Error connecting to node (not allowed to LOGIN as  DECNET)" $  exit* $!      ? Obviously this is basically a decnet command file that has been* midified to use IP as well.*  E If you copy this to sys$system then  the command you need to run from* your X terminal becomes*  4 @sys$system:EXCEED_startup @a  "$create/term/detach" where @a is your IP addressx   Good Luck - you may need itn    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.*   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:11:55 +0200*7 From: "Walter A. Ambrosch" <Walter.Ambrosch@adicom.com>* Subject: Re: X windows' Message-ID: <8ne0d8$1i00$1@news.lf.net>r  C Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: D 791C2856E8FDD211BAFB0008C759919501A62862@exchange01.govnet.gov.fj...I > thanks for your reply. Actually I guess my question is a bit anbiguous.R Okay1 > this is the scenario that I have at the moment.dK > There is this X windows program called SmartX that I use to connect to myuK > VMS Server. Now when I configure my SmartX session (which is actually a XmL > windows client), there is a place where I give it my username,password andB > the command to run when it starts up. This command is run when a
 successfulL > connection is made to the server. This is done I believe so that the usersK > can configure their own commands at startup (maybe run a script that will/ do3 > some tasks and then startup a X windows session). L > Anyways that aside.. now what I would like to know is the commandline that ITL > will specify in my X windows client (which in this case is SmartX) so that I$! > can enable a X windows session.$ >V > Thanks	 > NivleshY    J Well, if  I've puzzled this out correctly, you have a X emulation softwareI on your windows system and want to start an application on the VMS system F which should produce some output on your windows screen. The emulationJ provides some application where you have to enter the hostname of your VMSI system, some username and password for this, and - this is it - a commandl# line to start that VMS application."  K I have just tested this for OpenVMS V7.2 and Hummingbird's eXceed. To starta0 the terminal emulator, I have to enter "PIPE SETD DISPLAY=<windows_host>/TRANSPORT=TCPIP && CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACHED".J Normally I would've expected that ";" instead of "&&" would be sufficient,F but then I get a DCL message indicating it doesn't know what /TERMINAL means.  D By the way, if you have an older OpenVMS which doesn't have the PIPEG command, you will have to provide a command procedure on the VMS systemeK which does the SET DISPLAY before starting the main application. Contact me! if you need an example.      >f > -----Original Message-----H > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com [mailto:Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com]+ > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:40 PM= > To: Nivlesh Chandrav > Subject: Re: X windows >= >" > J > Wrong question, Nivlesh, it's the other way around. The PC software asksH > the VMS system for an X-Windows session. You don't say which X-WindowsH > software you have, but on eXcursion I do this by enabling XDMCP in theJ > control panel (it has its own tab). Once that's done, eXcursion will askK > you to choose an XDMCP host whenever you start it up. This is the easiestX > way I've found.  >  > ShaneV >L >N >R >A >)D > Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> on 08/15/2000 05:11:43 PM >T > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComL > cc:L >N > Subject:  X windows  >I > J > I have a X windows enabled VMS system. I want to connect to it using a XG > windows emulation system from a windows platform. I do not know whichEK > command to run to tell the VMS Server to start a X windows session for meX= > and dump the output on my windows based emulation software.T > K > Can anyone please provide me withe the commandline for achieving this....o >a > Thanks	 > Nivleshs >t >R >T >' >  >    Regards, Walter A. Ambrosch ADICOM Informatik GmbH   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:21:30 +0200s7 From: "Walter A. Ambrosch" <Walter.Ambrosch@adicom.com>l Subject: Re: X windows' Message-ID: <8ne0v7$1iu4$1@news.lf.net>O  J Walter A. Ambrosch <Walter.Ambrosch@adicom.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: 8ne0d8$1i00$1@news.lf.net... >sE > Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:wF > 791C2856E8FDD211BAFB0008C759919501A62862@exchange01.govnet.gov.fj...K > > thanks for your reply. Actually I guess my question is a bit anbiguous.! > Okay3 > > this is the scenario that I have at the moment.!J > > There is this X windows program called SmartX that I use to connect to myK > > VMS Server. Now when I configure my SmartX session (which is actually an XFJ > > windows client), there is a place where I give it my username,password andFD > > the command to run when it starts up. This command is run when a > successfulH > > connection is made to the server. This is done I believe so that the usersCH > > can configure their own commands at startup (maybe run a script that will > do5 > > some tasks and then startup a X windows session). I > > Anyways that aside.. now what I would like to know is the commandline  that > I.I > > will specify in my X windows client (which in this case is SmartX) so  that > I # > > can enable a X windows session.  > >r
 > > Thanks > > Nivleshe >e >oL > Well, if  I've puzzled this out correctly, you have a X emulation softwareK > on your windows system and want to start an application on the VMS system H > which should produce some output on your windows screen. The emulationL > provides some application where you have to enter the hostname of your VMSK > system, some username and password for this, and - this is it - a command % > line to start that VMS application.  > G > I have just tested this for OpenVMS V7.2 and Hummingbird's eXceed. Toa starto2 > the terminal emulator, I have to enter "PIPE SETF > DISPLAY=<windows_host>/TRANSPORT=TCPIP && CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACHED".L > Normally I would've expected that ";" instead of "&&" would be sufficient,H > but then I get a DCL message indicating it doesn't know what /TERMINAL > means.    L That's how it goes: I wrote this before I REALLY tested it. Now I've found aL real bug in the above example: it must be SET DISPLAY/CREATE of course, else2 it won't work. And ";" instead of "&&" works, too.     >_F > By the way, if you have an older OpenVMS which doesn't have the PIPEI > command, you will have to provide a command procedure on the VMS system J > which does the SET DISPLAY before starting the main application. Contact me > if you need an example.  >o >o > >  > > -----Original Message-----J > > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com [mailto:Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com]- > > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:40 PM  > > To: Nivlesh Chandrat > > Subject: Re: X windows > >  > >s > >yL > > Wrong question, Nivlesh, it's the other way around. The PC software asksJ > > the VMS system for an X-Windows session. You don't say which X-WindowsJ > > software you have, but on eXcursion I do this by enabling XDMCP in theL > > control panel (it has its own tab). Once that's done, eXcursion will askE > > you to choose an XDMCP host whenever you start it up. This is theo easiest  > > way I've found.  > >!	 > > Shane! > >! > >! > >! > >! > >!F > > Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> on 08/15/2000 05:11:43 PM > >! > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com! > > cc:! > >! > > Subject:  X windowst > >: > > L > > I have a X windows enabled VMS system. I want to connect to it using a XI > > windows emulation system from a windows platform. I do not know which/J > > command to run to tell the VMS Server to start a X windows session for me? > > and dump the output on my windows based emulation software.- > >uD > > Can anyone please provide me withe the commandline for achieving this.... > >!
 > > Thanks > > Nivlesh! > >! > >! > >! > >! > >  > >! >c
 > Regards, > Walter A. Ambrosch > ADICOM Informatik GmbH >! >!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:25:51 +0100t* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: X windows+ Message-ID: <8ne18g$oba@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>"  ] "Mike Price" <michael_price@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ndvrg$g5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com...tF > I had a similar problem when out PC support gorup insisted we switchB > from excursion to Exceed. We had loads of 'fun' working out what$ > command to tell Exceed to execute.  A Exceed (at least current versions) has support for the PCX$SERVERvF stuff, although I agree that it is a PITA. It's a powerful product but( lacks something on the ease of use side.  < These days, with the PIPE command's ; operator you can chain> together one line REXECs that don't need an associated command file.r   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:04:37 +0100 (GDT)6 From: Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk8 Subject: Re: X windows1 Message-ID: <SIMEON.10008161437.V@odin.kcl.ac.uk>y  F > > Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> on 08/15/2000 05:11:43 PM > >  > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw > > cc:  > >d > > Subject:  X windowsn > >o > > L > > I have a X windows enabled VMS system. I want to connect to it using a XI > > windows emulation system from a windows platform. I do not know whichdM > > command to run to tell the VMS Server to start a X windows session for mel? > > and dump the output on my windows based emulation software.h > >eM > > Can anyone please provide me withe the commandline for achieving this....w  D    The best way to do this is to turn on the XDMCP server on the VMSC    server (how you do that depends on what TCP software you are     H    running). This server listens out for requests from xdmcp enabled    F    clients and starts up the usual dec login window when one comes    H    along. With xdmcp, you do NOT need all the messy, rsh, rlogin, set       display stuff etc.   A    Exceed is such a client and you should enable it by doing the u
    following.   0      Start up Xconfig and select 'communication';      In the drop down boxc, make sure it says 'XDMCP-query'o!      Press the 'Configure' buttona4      Enter the name of the host you want to contact.  B      That's it - make sure you have set single window mode though.  F      Next time, you start up exceed, you will see a dec windows login F      screen. With exceed 6.1 and onwards, you can have connections to G      multiple systems simultaneously (though try finding out how to do lE      it in the documentation!), each one in a separate window. I use o      exceed 6.2   H   If you have an x-windows system on your PC other than exceed, then youG   should look at the documentation to find out how to enable the XDMCP e   facility.s  >   Without xdmcp, you'll have to resort to command line stuff.    Essentially this is:        PC:  Start up X-servers4           Login to VMS X server (telnet, rlogin etc)  9      VMS X-server:  set display /create /transport=tcpip 0.                         /node=<hostname of pc>  1                     run <X-application>        OR,*                     create/terminal/detach     Regards,   Andy Harper  Kings College London   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:22:05 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)o Subject: Re: X windows0 Message-ID: <8ne82d$32o$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  O In article <SIMEON.10008161437.V@odin.kcl.ac.uk>, Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk writes:fG >> > Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> on 08/15/2000 05:11:43 PMiE >   The best way to do this is to turn on the XDMCP server on the VMSLD >   server (how you do that depends on what TCP software you are    I >   running). This server listens out for requests from xdmcp enabled    tG >   clients and starts up the usual dec login window when one comes    lI >   along. With xdmcp, you do NOT need all the messy, rsh, rlogin, set   ! >   display stuff etc.  E Unfortunately I am pretty sure that UCX still does not support XDMCP.!  = This despite continually asking for it since at least 1995 !!!   "!+ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:48:27 +0100 (BST)bB From: "Digital Service Request Acknowledgment (27-JUN-1995 16:47)"$  <DSN%%SRQ$175030056F1UVO@mdx.ac.uk>$ Subject: RE: UCX and XDMCP SUPPORT ? To: DAVID20%VAXB@mdx.ac.uk X-VMS-To: VAXB::DAVID20 	 X-VMS-Cc:r  N Your service request has been received by the Digital Customer Support Center.  L It has been automatically entered into the CSC Administrative System for theN product you specified.  Should you wish to send additional information, pleaseM REPLY to this acknowledgement or send to the address listed on the FROM line.e   "     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:08:56 +0100 (GDT)  From: Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.ukP Subject: Re: X windows1 Message-ID: <SIMEON.10008161656.C@odin.kcl.ac.uk>m  D On 16 Aug 2000 14:22:05 GMT "D.Webb" <david20@alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk>  wrote:  Q > In article <SIMEON.10008161437.V@odin.kcl.ac.uk>, Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk writes:eI > >> > Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> on 08/15/2000 05:11:43 PM!G > >   The best way to do this is to turn on the XDMCP server on the VMS!F > >   server (how you do that depends on what TCP software you are    K > >   running). This server listens out for requests from xdmcp enabled     I > >   clients and starts up the usual dec login window when one comes     K > >   along. With xdmcp, you do NOT need all the messy, rsh, rlogin, set   g > >   display stuff etc. > G > Unfortunately I am pretty sure that UCX still does not support XDMCP.  > ? > This despite continually asking for it since at least 1995 !!!  F  Oh dear, better switch to multinet/process software or whatever it's C called these days. That's had it for ages.  We don't know what the !B original questioner was using of course, perhaps if he'ld like to H clarify ? Basically use xdmcp if you have multinet or process software, F and the old boring method (telnet, set display, ...) if you don't (IE  UCX, CMU, other..).e   Regards,   Andy Harper! Kings College London   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:02:18 +0100(* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: X windows+ Message-ID: <8neads$udq@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>,  _ "D.Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message news:8ne82d$32o$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk...e  G > Unfortunately I am pretty sure that UCX still does not support XDMCP.n   And never will ;)m  ? > This despite continually asking for it since at least 1995 !!o  ? Various rumours have the support in some near future version ofo> TCP/IP services (possibly 5.1). I've managed to hack enough of- one together to keep me happy in the interim.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.457 ************************