1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 21 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 466       Contents: Re: Adding new mail accounts5 AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor 9 Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor 9 Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor 5 AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor ! Re: Computer Associates Advise-IT $ Re: DECserver 700 documentation/help2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD# I have some software for sell  1994 * Re: OpenVMS / Alpha Web Server - Frontpage; OT - need help reviewing questions for Alpha VMS Admin test ? Re: OT - need help reviewing questions for Alpha VMS Admin test ? Re: OT - need help reviewing questions for Alpha VMS Admin test  set host node_name (timeouts)  Re: split large files ' Re: Supressing Commands from a COM File . Re: Taking a MicroVax 3100-90 out of a cluster. RE: Taking a MicroVax 3100-90 out of a cluster Re: Value of CONSTANT by name?! VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system  Re: [VMS V7.2] HELP Specify   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:48:58 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)% Subject: Re: Adding new mail accounts ; Message-ID: <39a0362a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ) Horse Nuts... (hx_101@hotmail.com) wrote: 4 : What is the procedure to add new mail accounts????  A Add a user account, with a login directory to store the mails in.   + Or, if you just want to forward mails, do a   6   MAIL> SET FORWARD <forward-address> /USER=<username>  4 Both, of course, from a suitably privileged account.   cu,    Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:10:16 GMT + From: "Alphaman" <aaron@nospam-alphant.com> > Subject: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor9 Message-ID: <IWWn5.1987$i7.113975@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>    Hi,   K I've got an AlphaStation 250 with a ZLXp-E1 that I'm trying to upgrade from @ NT to OpenVMS.  Everything goes great until I get started... X^P  D But seriously, my major problem is the SRM console seems to be usingJ something besides 640x480 @60Hz.  This has always been something I assumedK (the screen res did look a tad unusual), but until now, didn't seem to have F any evidence that would prove it.  Well, my PeeCee monitor (an old DECK PCXBV-PC) which _can_ do 640x480@60 won't display anything when I switch to I the SRM console (yes, I've done a 'set console graphic', and yes, the kbd K works -- I can do an init and see the SCSI reset).  I mean even the digital A controls on the monitor's front panel won't display their menu...   L Note: I'm running a real old version of SRM on this box, and one of my firstH tasks was to upgrade the firmware.  Unfortunately, I'm kinda dead in theC water until I can either get another monitor or a VT terminal (with C associated cables & adapters).  I hope that this isn't the ultimate I solution -- I'd like to find some way to use the existing monitor.  Is it L wistful thinking on my part?  What res does SRM display by default on one ofJ these boxes?  Will upgrading the fw change this behavior?  Or am I totally off-base here?   Aaron  --< Aaron Sakovich          http://www.alphant.com/alphaman.html< The AlphaNT Source:                  http://www.alphant.com/< Even my car has a website:  http://www.alphant.com/cristine/< Make April 15 just another day:      http://www.fairtax.org/. "payin the bills with my mad programmin skills$  I got me a hundred gigabytes of RAM?  I never feed trolls and I don't read SPAM" (Wierd Al Yankovic)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:55:28 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>B Subject: Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor' Message-ID: <FzLzGG.Eqw@spcuna.spc.edu>   9 In comp.os.vms Alphaman <aaron@nospam-alphant.com> wrote: N > Note: I'm running a real old version of SRM on this box, and one of my firstJ > tasks was to upgrade the firmware.  Unfortunately, I'm kinda dead in theE > water until I can either get another monitor or a VT terminal (with E > associated cables & adapters).  I hope that this isn't the ultimate K > solution -- I'd like to find some way to use the existing monitor.  Is it N > wistful thinking on my part?  What res does SRM display by default on one ofL > these boxes?  Will upgrading the fw change this behavior?  Or am I totally > off-base here?  F   At least on the ZLXp-E2, the switch settings on the card control theJ resolution and scan rate. The switch table was posted here within the last8 6 months, but I can't find it using a quick Deja search.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Aug 2000 19:18:53 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor+ Message-ID: <3VS8T4TIFJJr@eisner.decus.org>   g In article <IWWn5.1987$i7.113975@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Alphaman" <aaron@nospam-alphant.com> writes:   M > I've got an AlphaStation 250 with a ZLXp-E1 that I'm trying to upgrade from B > NT to OpenVMS.  Everything goes great until I get started... X^P    N > Note: I'm running a real old version of SRM on this box, and one of my firstJ > tasks was to upgrade the firmware.  Unfortunately, I'm kinda dead in theE > water until I can either get another monitor or a VT terminal (with   > associated cables & adapters).  = Even an Intel PC with Microsoft's impersonation of a terminal : emulator should be enough to update the SRM (although that* would not help with your monitor problem).  ? For a console on a 14 year old MicroVAX II, I use a 13 year old 
 Macintosh.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:10:13 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>> Subject: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor7 Message-ID: <200008210010_MC2-B069-4B06@compuserve.com>   J         I'd be a little surprised if the SRM console was using anything b= utJ 1024x768 or 1280x1024.  Other than these two resolutions, the only one th= atH DEC monitors customarily do is 1024x868 (GPX graphics) which, AFAIK, was never used on Alpha.  " Message text written by "Alphaman"E >But seriously, my major problem is the SRM console seems to be using J something besides 640x480 @60Hz.  This has always been something I assume= d J (the screen res did look a tad unusual), but until now, didn't seem to ha= veF any evidence that would prove it.  Well, my PeeCee monitor (an old DECJ PCXBV-PC) which _can_ do 640x480@60 won't display anything when I switch = toJ the SRM console (yes, I've done a 'set console graphic', and yes, the kbd=  J works -- I can do an init and see the SCSI reset).  I mean even the digit= alA controls on the monitor's front panel won't display their menu...  <    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:31:33 GMT  From: smiley0205@my-deja.com* Subject: Re: Computer Associates Advise-IT) Message-ID: <8npt95$opa$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   F In article <Xoan5.14570$4T.834936@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,2   "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:J > (I am not sure what happened, but after sending this before, I could not > findI > it.  I then found it in my SENT folder, but it had gone to VMSNET.ALPHA 4 > instead of comp.os.vms.  I am re-posting it here). > I > I am almost embarassed to ask this, but has anyone else bought Computer  > Associates ADVISE-IT1 > "upgrade?" for Poly Center Performance Advisor?  > E > Since we upgraded our Alpha to VMS 7.2-1 we have now exceeded DECPS  > supported versions. I M > am trying to install AdviseIT, but I cannot even figure out how to read the  > documentation off the CDL > from my VMS systems.  The docs are in HTML and PDF format.  They include a > PDF_VIWER N > exe on the CD, but when I do a DIR/FUL for the file, it says "no such file". > Many other files on the CDJ > do this also.  You can see the files with  a DIR command, but not with a > /FUL.  >  >    John,   F   I work with CA on the Unix side.  The only thing I can say is reallyI hold tech support to the fire.  Nothing less that priority 2 will get any F response other than a rookie.  I'd also suggest getting a hold of yourI client support manager.  That might help.  The most important thing is to ! be the SQUIEST(sp?) WHEEL around.       & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:13:47 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>- Subject: Re: DECserver 700 documentation/help - Message-ID: <39A03BFB.F7858F8F@tsoft-inc.com>    Terry Kennedy wrote: > < > In comp.os.vms David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:T > > I've got a used DECserver 700, no documentation.  I've looked on both COmpaq andT > > Cabletron sites for such, and no luck.  I am rather poor at finding stuff on web( > > pages, so the fault's probably mine. > > >   No, DEC/Compaq's web pages are incredibly badly organized. >   >   The software manuals are at:2 > http://www.networks.digital.com/dr/dnas/manuals/ >  >   There's more info at: 2 > http://www.networks.digital.com/dr/hubs/servers/ > M >   But the DS700 manual isn't there, for some unknown reason. There's a copy  > at: A > http://www.networks.digital.com/dr/servers/manuals/dsrvw-mg.pdf  > S > > When powered up, connected with a 10baseT connection, I get no response on port T > > 1, terminal set to 9600 baud.  The green light by the 10baseT connection blinks,Q > > indicating (I'd think) network activity.  The light by the power cord is off. S > > The led blinks, what I'd call an 'A' without the cross bar, or maybe an 'n', or + > > maybe it's upside down, and it's a 'U'.  > O >   The green LED near the network port doesn't show anything useful if the LED P > by the power cord is off or blinking. The fact that the second LED is blinking" > says that the server is unhappy. > N >   The error you have is described in the last manual I listed above, on pageQ > 73 of the PDF (manual page 7-9). It says "No SIMs or wrong type SIMs installed" N > so it's likely somebody mugged your DS700 for its memory. It's a generic 72-L > pin SIMM - as I recall, it's FPM, parity (x36), gold pins, 80ns or faster.  M Once again you're right on.  The SIMM(s) was/were missing.  Who is so hard up N that they would take a 4 MB SIMM?  I never would have imagined it.  Works fine= now, loading via MOP, everything I've checked is Ok.  Thanks.   P I would ask another question.  What type of search technique did you use to find> the manuals?  It appears that I need to learn some new things.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 03:05:21 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> ; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD ' Message-ID: <39A09CA1.4A71300C@vrx.net>    David A Froble wrote:   M > While sympathetic to the cause, I don't see a few pages of fiche as being a M > license for the source listings.  You've indicated in past posts that 1)the P > license costs over $2,000, 2)you're broke.  Just how did you come by a current& > and valid 'source listings' license?  T I have the whole listings (several of them). I was offering to scan a few as proof IH owned them, what you want me to scan all several hundred pages of fiche? no way! V as for how I came across them, in no way did I say that I had a license because of the fiche. read carefully.Y I have the listings in other formarts too. and it is these other formats that the license  comes from. I will not explain.   Y but if you must know, I got the fiche off of ebay, where they can be had for as little as ( $10 per set (PER set!). that's not much.  N > At this time, and I'm definitely in a position to know, the people at CompaqQ > that can do something with the 'source listings' issue consider the data on the N > disks confidential company information, and don't consider it something thatI > every student should have a copy of without adequate safeguards against / > uncontrolled distribution of the information.   L I was offering to scan a few pages only to prove I owned them. that was all.  O > My understanding is that it isn't the money.  I've been told specifically, by R > those in charge, that it isn't the money.  The problem is the perceived securityM > of trade secrets and such, and the fear of widespread availability possibly M > being an argument that the VMS source code could then be considered 'in the N > public domain', thus preventing copyright protection.  That argument doesn'tO > stand up too well to information I've received that such CDs have been handed > > out, freely, without any restrictions, at past DECUS events. > N > Possibly a well thought out and knowledgable proposal to Compaq might effect1 > changes in the source listings product/program.   Y If anyone has one of those CDs passed out at DECUS events, please let me know if you'd be   willing to sell/trade/loan them.   B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:33:03 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD - Message-ID: <39A0A2EF.5C10FDBF@tsoft-inc.com>    Beyonder wrote:  >  > David A Froble wrote:  > O > > While sympathetic to the cause, I don't see a few pages of fiche as being a O > > license for the source listings.  You've indicated in past posts that 1)the R > > license costs over $2,000, 2)you're broke.  Just how did you come by a current( > > and valid 'source listings' license? > V > I have the whole listings (several of them). I was offering to scan a few as proof IJ > owned them, what you want me to scan all several hundred pages of fiche?	 > no way!    Wouldn't make a difference.   X > as for how I came across them, in no way did I say that I had a license because of the > fiche. read carefully.[ > I have the listings in other formarts too. and it is these other formats that the license ! > comes from. I will not explain.     Don't know of any other formats.  [ > but if you must know, I got the fiche off of ebay, where they can be had for as little as * > $10 per set (PER set!). that's not much.  N At the risk of belaboring the point, having a set of fiche listings is NOT theI current license required to get the CD-ROM disk with the listings.  We're L talking about a specific license.  Not a VMS license.  A VMS source listingsM license.  A legal document, including NDA (non-disclosure agreement).  As for L the fiche, I have a set.  They came with every VMS media distribution of VMSD V4.*.  That isn't a license for the current source listings product.  N I've got to assume that if you are not aware of the specific license, then youP don't have it.  Anybody that does have the license (not me) will also assume theN same, and even if they really wanted to give you a CD, it could create a largeO legal problem for them.  There are probably quite a few people with the CDs who M would give you an old CD, except they probably aren't fond of paying lawyers, & and that is a probability if they did.  P So, you're asking people to take an action that could get THEM in trouble.  TheyL are reluctant.  You then berate them for the reluctance.  That's a bit much.  O Your best bet is to approach VMS management, explaining that you are a student, P and briefly explain why you need the listings.  I cannot say it will work.  It's may be your best possibility.C   Dave   -- d4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 05:17:47 GMTr! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>e; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDa' Message-ID: <39A0BBAB.2A62E4AA@vrx.net>e   David A Froble wrote:s  " > Don't know of any other formats.  $ well there's your problem, isn't it?7 It was also on TK50 for a while. but I don't have that.f' as I said, I will not explain. I can't.e  P > At the risk of belaboring the point, having a set of fiche listings is NOT theK > current license required to get the CD-ROM disk with the listings.  We'regN > talking about a specific license.  Not a VMS license.  A VMS source listingsO > license.  A legal document, including NDA (non-disclosure agreement).  As forCN > the fiche, I have a set.  They came with every VMS media distribution of VMSF > V4.*.  That isn't a license for the current source listings product.   You're wrong. Completely wrong.a* I spoke to Compaq (at length!) about this.Y Having a license for ANY format entitles you to be allowed to own it in ANY other format.    Example:[ if I own the fiche set with a license for that version, and you own the CD set for the SAME5@ version (4.4 for example) then you and I could TRADE without ANY legal hassles at all.l   So says Compaq.-  8 BTW: Compaq duty manager told me directly (and I quote):Y "Having a fiche set means that you have the license... Having the set automatically means? having the license..."  P > I've got to assume that if you are not aware of the specific license, then youR > don't have it.  Anybody that does have the license (not me) will also assume theP > same, and even if they really wanted to give you a CD, it could create a largeQ > legal problem for them.  There are probably quite a few people with the CDs who O > would give you an old CD, except they probably aren't fond of paying lawyers,p( > and that is a probability if they did.  ] Wrong again. I am completely aware of the licensing issues. I called Compaq and spent several,Y HOURS on the phone with them (after calling them, them calling me, back and forth severalM times).t  G So you are just spewing FUD here. What you say is untrue and unfounded..\ The facts are that if one person owns a license for a specific version on a specific format,] and another person owns the SAME version on another format, they can trade, or even LOAN each, other their sets.s  Y After spending several hours on the phone with tech support, compaq legal department, andm^ finally getting ahold of the duty manager and speaking at length and having them take valuable] time out of their day to talk to the people they needed to, to get an answer I think I'm in aoU better position (presently) to say what the legalities are, HOWEVER: I urge anyone to U double-check with Compaq should they feel the least bit uncomfortable about anything.s  R > So, you're asking people to take an action that could get THEM in trouble.  TheyN > are reluctant.  You then berate them for the reluctance.  That's a bit much.  0 WRONG. try again. Here you are spewing more FUD._ Please contact Compaq if you like, I'm more than sure they'll verify everything I've said here.   Q > Your best bet is to approach VMS management, explaining that you are a student,nR > and briefly explain why you need the listings.  I cannot say it will work.  It's > may be your best possibility.i  _ You're a funny guy. I already did. No go. I'd have a better chance sending them a request underl	 the FOIA.e  ] Even Compaq agrees my best option is to find someone with the CD set and have them LOAN it too\ me, which is perfectly acceptable to them, as long as the version numbers match what I have.  V And before you ask, NO, they will NOT give that statement in writing. I already asked.   B.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Aug 2000 23:31:44 GMT From: eenumo@j.j, Subject: I have some software for sell  1994( Message-ID: <8nppp0$4dn$40@cer.yubc.net>   I sell  9 CAD/CAM, Graphic, Image processing, Programming software.o All software is only 50$ Email me for more information   1 Vanessa Roberts     mailto:vroberts@mailbox.co.yu            dvcomppqbhpelmd    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:02:23 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS / Alpha Web Server - Frontpagea, Message-ID: <39A01D2A.59CA05F1@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote:T8 > Then this morning I came across the following article:: > http://caspian.twu.net/tech/writing/prideprejudice.shtml > F > Please read and digest, as it's important for the future of platformH > independent access to the web. Also follow the links. I find it rather > educational.  M Ironic that I first had to save the HTML, fix it and then view it on NetscapeLK on a small 640-480 screen because the writer of the article had hardcoded a J table value that resulted in the text being formatted wider than my screen9 (and used a table structure that took forever to render).    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:38:38 GMTS From: icurhere2@my-deja.com-D Subject: OT - need help reviewing questions for Alpha VMS Admin test) Message-ID: <8nptmd$p3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>R   Hello,  G I am developing a test in Alpha VMS, and need some people to review theiG questions that are currently in beta.  The test should be there for theoG next couple of days, and I would appreciate any comments about the testSE that could be provided.  If interested, the beta test is available atn the following URL:  = http://www.brainbench.com/testcenter/brainbench/t1.jsp?core=%l 2Fbetapins.htmlR  E making sure that the URL is one line.  All feedback and comments will E be taken into account, and I appreciate your help.  If you would likeo* to contact me, my E-mail address is below.   Thanks,e Michael Becraft + mailto:michael.becraft@NOSPAMbrainbench.como    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:31:24 GMTl/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>lH Subject: Re: OT - need help reviewing questions for Alpha VMS Admin testG Message-ID: <MD%n5.20697$4T.1239581@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>j  K Part of the page loaded, but then I got a 404 error, "file not found" and .2 . ._5 /testcenter/brainbench/ was not found on this serverl  L <icurhere2@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8nptmd$p3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hello, >tI > I am developing a test in Alpha VMS, and need some people to review the1I > questions that are currently in beta.  The test should be there for theeI > next couple of days, and I would appreciate any comments about the testlG > that could be provided.  If interested, the beta test is available ate > the following URL: > ? > http://www.brainbench.com/testcenter/brainbench/t1.jsp?core=%s > 2Fbetapins.html  >dG > making sure that the URL is one line.  All feedback and comments will G > be taken into account, and I appreciate your help.  If you would like , > to contact me, my E-mail address is below. >c	 > Thanks,  > Michael Becraft-- > mailto:michael.becraft@NOSPAMbrainbench.come >e > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:40:16 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>jH Subject: Re: OT - need help reviewing questions for Alpha VMS Admin test, Message-ID: <39A09690.4809380@earthlink.net>   icurhere2@my-deja.com wrote: >  > Hello, > I > I am developing a test in Alpha VMS, and need some people to review the I > questions that are currently in beta.  The test should be there for theyI > next couple of days, and I would appreciate any comments about the testIG > that could be provided.  If interested, the beta test is available ata > the following URL: > ? > http://www.brainbench.com/testcenter/brainbench/t1.jsp?core=%m > 2Fbetapins.html  > G > making sure that the URL is one line.  All feedback and comments willpG > be taken into account, and I appreciate your help.  If you would likeg, > to contact me, my E-mail address is below.  = You WILL drop the banner ads if/when this goes "live", right?a  F There are errors in some of the questions. See the comments I entered.: Refer to the OpenVMS documentation when writing questions.   -- D David J. DachteraY dba DJE Systemsl http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g  H This *IS* comp.os.vms. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:48:57 +1200d0 From: Patrick Nirmal Sharma <Patrick@fsc.com.fj>& Subject: set host node_name (timeouts)9 Message-ID: <C904D185C744D31189A90008C7EB6684B08337@dovu>u  ? I have a problem setting host to my weighbridge systems(2 alpha.$ clusters) from my production system.E After entering the usernames the (remote cluster )system just hangs. r    E I also run detach process's from my production cluster which goes andbC pick up the data from the remote cluster but it just does NOT work.e: This is the message I get at the beginning of my log file. Error Message is  , "%SYSTEM-F-LINKEXIT, network partner exited"    G However, when I connect directly to the remote clusters with a (local>ci/ remote_node) I can get in without any problems.i The system does not hang.o  ) Below are  the details of my environment.   + Production system where I set host from is:r a)	Open VMS 7.1-2p b)	AlphaServer 4000 5/300 2MBk   Remote Cluster Details:n Node A:w a)	Open VMS 7.1-2h b)	Digital Personal Workstation0   Node B:c a)	Open VMS 7.1-2o b)	Digital Personal Workstation   - Could someone please shed some light to this.n   Thanks in Advance, Patrick   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 05:43:39 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: split large files, Message-ID: <8nqfib$f1b@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  j In article <NYon5.5815$194.147064@news.tpnet.pl>, "MariuszM" <Mariusz.Macherzynski@zks.skoczow.pl> writes:K >I have 3 GB file. I need zip it but OpenVMS zip can compress only files be 
 >low 2 GB.M >I wrote simply procedure in DCL, which reads record by record from this filevK >and writes these records to two output files but this is extremely long in  >time.  G Ugh, do I know it.  That's the sort of operation I do all the time withaF DNA sequence files - and which VMS just sucks at.  The best you can do8 in this case is to first crank up the RMS settings like:  * $ set rms/extend=4000/buffer=127/block=127  H and then run your program.  And for heaven's sake, do NOT do it in DCL -G it will take an eternity!  Write it in C or Fortran or something a lot lA faster.  You might also try the EXTRACT utility for this (look ont ftp2.wku.edu - I think.)  J Since it sounds like you're doing the first half to one file, and the restF to another, you can get away with putting both output file on the sameK disk.  (If it was interleaved records being extracted there would be betterc; performance putting each output file on a different disk.)     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu0? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech rJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:17:41 GMT0 From: smiley0205@my-deja.com0 Subject: Re: Supressing Commands from a COM File) Message-ID: <8npvv8$rjk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   0 In article <39900a48.65379600@news.starnet.net>,.   sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn M) wrote:	 > Hi all,n >dF > We are running OpenVms 7.1 on an AlphaServer here in our shop.  I amE > in the midst of writing a COM file which will freeze a Mumps DB fora	 > backup.i > F > After I issue the command to freeze the DB, I am prompted for manualF > input.  It is the same question for each of the 10 DB's which i have > to freeze. >eG > Instead of manually typing the information, I would like the COM filem: > to automate the response, for example a sample would be: >w- > Do you really want to freeze this database?  >hH > I would like to have the COM file automatically answer Y and continue? >c6 > Can someone give me some ideas on what I need to do. >  > Thanks >  > Shawnv >  >y Shawn,  B   Normally you should just be able to embed a "Y" into the commandI procedure and that will take care of it.  For instance, if the command toeE invoke the immage is "dbstart" and the first prompt is "Do you reallyeG want to freeze this database?  " the command procedure should look like  this:o  	 $ dbstarte+ Do you really want to freeze this database?, Yd "Second prompt"s ...  ...a $ exit  A If that doesn't work then we might have to do some redirection ofc sys$input or sys$command...d   Spikeh    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:58:47 GMTn From: smiley0205@my-deja.com7 Subject: Re: Taking a MicroVax 3100-90 out of a clusterw) Message-ID: <8npnr0$ioa$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  6 In article <8nhp85$3rh$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,&   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: >eJ > In article <8nhnq7$u43$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, smiley0205@my-deja.com writes: >lF > :  I have a question.  We have a Mixed interconnect cluster with twoF > :6610's and one MicroVax 3100-90.  All three are running 5.5-2.  TheH > :3100 boots over the ethernet.  I want to take this machine out of theJ > :cluster permanently so what is the easiest way to copy the VMS stuff toJ > :a local disk?  I do have a disk that I can use and even initialize.  ItI > :currently boots from SYS30.  Would I use vmskitbld and use sys0 as thed? > :source root and target root?  Any help would be appreciated!r >rE >   Please see "MGMT45 How can I split up an OpenVMS Cluster?" in thesE >   OpenVMS FAQ, as a start.  If you have no local copy of OpenVMS onfC >   the system, it will generally be easiest to install it onto thenF >   local disk, rather than undoing all of the existing customizationsG >   for the current VAX system and then adding in the necessary changesaI >   for the MicroVAX.  After installing, pull across whichver appropriate G >   set of files from the list in MGMT45.  (I'd also look at installing I >   the current OpenVMS VAX V7.2 release, rather than staying at V5.5-2.)u >fP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >n >h   Hoff,e  F   I've looked everywhere I know and can't find MGMT45.  All that I can= find go up to the late 30's.  Can you give me a clue? Thanks!n   spikea    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:26:15 GMT  From: smiley0205@my-deja.com7 Subject: RE: Taking a MicroVax 3100-90 out of a cluster ) Message-ID: <8npsuo$oep$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD7B9@berry.mvpsi.com>,&   John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> wrote:L > You should check your votes before you do this.  The MV3100 may be servingM > as the tie breaking vote in the cluster.  If you remove it, everything willeM > work just fine until one of the 6610's fails.  Then the other one will hang 1 > until quorum is reestablished.  Just a thought.  >n > > -----Original Message-----@ > > From: smiley0205@my-deja.com [mailto:smiley0205@my-deja.com]+ > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:09 PMh > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc7 > > Subject: Taking a MicroVax 3100-90 out of a clusterS > >g > >, > > VMS'ers, > >uG > >   I have a question.  We have a Mixed interconnect cluster with twotG > > 6610's and one MicroVax 3100-90.  All three are running 5.5-2.  The I > > 3100 boots over the ethernet.  I want to take this machine out of thee> > > cluster permanently so what is the easiest way to copy the > > VMS stuff to; > > a local disk?  I do have a disk that I can use and even  > > initialize.  It-J > > currently boots from SYS30.  Would I use vmskitbld and use sys0 as the@ > > source root and target root?  Any help would be appreciated! > >s	 > > Spikee > >- > >3* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.n > >  >  >eE Thanks for the thought.  That is a definate gotcha!  In my particular E case the MicroVax is a non-voting member and the cluster has a quorumc$ disk served from one the the 6610's.   Spike,    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:30:26 GMTu% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)e' Subject: Re: Value of CONSTANT by name?e/ Message-ID: <sq0fv29m87v125@news.supernews.com>m  7 Michael T. Davis <DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:e  O >         Is there a means that an HLL (C, FORTRAN, etc.) routine can determineoO > the value of a "constant", like the item codes for $GETDVI, $GETJPI, $GETUAI, L > etc. by name, without an internal table of name/value pairs?  For example,P > could I create a routine similar to LIB$GETJPI that specified the item code byB > name, instead of by (reference to) a value?  That is, instead of  J >         LIB$GETJPI ( & JPI$_ACCOUNT, 0, 0, 0, & account_desc, & a_len );  % > I'd like to do something like this:y  - >         char item_code [] = "JPI$_ACCOUNT"; + >         $DESCRIPTOR(ITEM_CODE,item_code);.  F >         my_getjpi ( & ITEM_CODE, 0, 0, 0, & account_desc, & a_len );  Q > Presumably, this would call for a database of some kind that would be availableiO > under VMS, regardless of platform or version.  Does such a database exist?  I K > considered mapping the appropriate text library module (e.g. $JPIDEF) and N > trying to parse it, but I had serious doubts that I could rely on the format. > of these remaining constant in all contexts.  M why do you want to do this, given that the library modules and C header filesgG give you values "by name" already?  if you could described what you arepG ultimately trying to acheive, it might help me understand how to do it.i   ok dpm  -- o3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/ - systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comhC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)oC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:10:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u* Subject: VMS as real time operating system, Message-ID: <39A03B11.F16A2641@videotron.ca>  I There is a discussion in a space newsgroup about the shuttle's computers.tK Seems like they are more in a cluster with cooperating processes than in an C "fault tolerant" architecture that would be associated with Tandem.   L I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the jobL of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operating system3 to handle such a task with the required precision ?h  G I think it would be great marketing coup if Compaq were to win a bid toeG replace the Shuttle's computer systems with a VMS based tightly coupled M cluster. (Obviously, probably VAX based, unless Compaq could built a militaryS spec alpha chip ?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:52:03 -0400g* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system- Message-ID: <39A044F3.73E3A4F3@tsoft-inc.com>e   JF Mezei wrote:u > K > There is a discussion in a space newsgroup about the shuttle's computers.tM > Seems like they are more in a cluster with cooperating processes than in aneE > "fault tolerant" architecture that would be associated with Tandem.a > N > I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the jobN > of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operating system5 > to handle such a task with the required precision ?D > I > I think it would be great marketing coup if Compaq were to win a bid to I > replace the Shuttle's computer systems with a VMS based tightly coupledtO > cluster. (Obviously, probably VAX based, unless Compaq could built a militarye > spec alpha chip ?-  M It is an interesting concept.  From what I've read, there is a vast prejudiceeO against any general purpose operating system among people implementing realtimee, systems that just cannot be allowed to fail.  M There are various companies producing flight planning and moving map softwaretP that runs on windoz peecees, usually a notebook, and using an interface to a GPSJ receiver for the location information in the moving map.  Really some niceM stuff.  It's like you're looking at a map, and you can see where you are, and " the map scrolls as you are moving.  N Some people have looked at the possibility of using such techniques to replaceM most of the navigation instruments in an aircraft with one or more computers, N one or two large displays, and a GPS receiver.  The thought is that you have aL bunch of gauges giving you information, and you must judge the effect of theK readings.  Most have valid ranges, optimum reading, etc.  Surely a computerlL application could monitor all information, give you a warning when somethingN starts to deviate, a bigger warning when it crosses into an invalid range (oilM pressure below 5).  For navagation, when not using the GPS with an autopilot,fP the system could give you directions, and warn you when you are outside whateverO course you have chosen.  In short, many of these things can be done better by awN computer, and leave the pilot time to worry about things the computer isn't so good at.  J Taking it a bit further, if every aircraft had a GPS, and a transceiver toP constantly broadcast it's location and vector, computers could give warnings forC two planes on a collision course.  Simple concept, and very doable.A  H An individual who works for a company providing (FAA certified) aircraftP insturments commented that the FAA would never certify for instrument flight (orK any other) any product using MS windows, nor any other general purpose OS. iM Seems that they want something where everything is known, documented, tested,gN etc.  Not a bad concept when a system failure has a high likelyhood of killingO people.  Unfortunately it stifles creativity, ideas, and reasonable cost.  SomeoM of the possible uses of GPS have been possible for many years, and they stillr" are not is any available products.   Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:15:12 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system' Message-ID: <39A05870.F2AE4ADF@home.nl>i  G I know that VMS systems are/were used on Dutch frigates, and if I'm notIC mistaken the F16 fighter had/has a Vax system (don't know which OS)l   JF Mezei wrote:  > K > There is a discussion in a space newsgroup about the shuttle's computers.eM > Seems like they are more in a cluster with cooperating processes than in an-E > "fault tolerant" architecture that would be associated with Tandem.m > N > I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the jobN > of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operating system5 > to handle such a task with the required precision ?  > I > I think it would be great marketing coup if Compaq were to win a bid to I > replace the Shuttle's computer systems with a VMS based tightly coupled O > cluster. (Obviously, probably VAX based, unless Compaq could built a militaryt > spec alpha chip ?I   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:31:03 -0400t, From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate). Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating systemD Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480002008002131030001@news.patriot.net>  < In article <39A044F3.73E3A4F3@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  > > M > > There is a discussion in a space newsgroup about the shuttle's computers.iO > > Seems like they are more in a cluster with cooperating processes than in annG > > "fault tolerant" architecture that would be associated with Tandem.m > > P > > I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the jobP > > of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operating system7 > > to handle such a task with the required precision ?r > > K > > I think it would be great marketing coup if Compaq were to win a bid torK > > replace the Shuttle's computer systems with a VMS based tightly coupled-H > > cluster. (Obviously, probably VAX based, unless Compaq could built a military > > spec alpha chip ?c > O > It is an interesting concept.  From what I've read, there is a vast prejudice@H > against any general purpose operating system among people implementing realtime. > systems that just cannot be allowed to fail. > ; [discussion about using general purpose OSes, e.g. VMS, forr, high-reliability real-time purposes snipped]  J > An individual who works for a company providing (FAA certified) aircraftG > insturments commented that the FAA would never certify for instrumento
 flight (orM > any other) any product using MS windows, nor any other general purpose OS. iO > Seems that they want something where everything is known, documented, tested, P > etc.  Not a bad concept when a system failure has a high likelyhood of killingM > people.  Unfortunately it stifles creativity, ideas, and reasonable cost.  A  5 Oops!! Non sequitur and unsupported assertion alarm!!o  G Precisely how does requiring predictable software (which is what we are)C REALLY talking about here)  stifle creativity and ideas?? Quite thelK reverse, IMNSNO. Now, if you're talking about DISCIPLINE as a system design-F and development habit, perhaps a case could be made for stricture, butJ creativity need not be traded off against the need for stable, predictableI hardware and software behavior. As I understand it, some [many?] advancestF in computing theory and practice have been driven by these very needs.  N > Some of the possible uses of GPS have been possible for many years, and they* > still are not is any available products.  D As any long-time reader of comp.risks can tell you, even GPS has itsC problems, and doesn't necessarily provide adequate solutions to thew problems you mention.fJ As far as the original postulate re shuttle control, there is MUCH more toH the issue than is addressed by a general purpose OS, even one as good as, VMS (to say nothing of the hardware issues).   > Dave >  > --  6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   -- c
 Ramon L. Tatee	 Casa Maan= taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:56:27 -0400l From: quayle@pobox.com. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system, Message-ID: <39A0540B.14668.EBE80@localhost>  N > I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the jobN > of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operating system5 > to handle such a task with the required precision ?   @ Well, I don't know about the shuttle, but one of my clients has D installed hundreds of real-time process control systems that run on 5 VMS.  I'm porting it to Alpha right this very minute.0  E VMS has very good support for real-time programming, with priorities nC that do round-robin scheduling (0 through 15), and others that are a preemptive (16 and up).@  > I've done real-time programming on other platforms, from bare @ processors to special operating systems (OS-9, MTOS).  VMS is a F "general purpose" operating system which means that I can expect good A tools (lots of compilers, TCP/IP, DECnet, TPU) and still control   things with high precision.e  D Another thing that's pretty cool is that every VAX (soon Alpha) can E be a complete process control system with just a little of the right a$ programming.  Try that with Windows!       --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671a1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147a= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:13:43 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system- Message-ID: <39A09E67.F1EB1D3D@tsoft-inc.com>e   "Ramon L. Tate" wrote: > 7 > Oops!! Non sequitur and unsupported assertion alarm!!e > I > Precisely how does requiring predictable software (which is what we areeE > REALLY talking about here)  stifle creativity and ideas?? Quite the.M > reverse, IMNSNO. Now, if you're talking about DISCIPLINE as a system designiH > and development habit, perhaps a case could be made for stricture, butL > creativity need not be traded off against the need for stable, predictableK > hardware and software behavior. As I understand it, some [many?] advanceskH > in computing theory and practice have been driven by these very needs.  O Maybe a poor choice of words.  The real issue for a general purpose OS like VMSlO is not whether it is predictable, but what it takes to prove it is perdictable,2 if it indeed is.  K Several things affect the production of anything intended for aircraft use.o   1) The market is limited.39 2) The cost of meeting mandated requirements can be high.v  P You can have all the discipline you want, and still not satisfy some people.  InP the case of aviation products, there are in place 'accepted procedures', and anyJ deviation from them requires you to prove that what you are producing willN work.  Such proof is a tremendous amount of work, testing, and documentation. L Add to that the legal climate, and many people look at such endeavors as not worth the risk."  K I know I'm making broad statements, and not offering many details.  I'm notfK going to take the time.  I will ask one question.  Why are aircraft enginesoI still manufactured with 1930's technology, specifically, magnetos?  QuickhO answer, because once the manufacturer introduces something new, two things willVL happen.  The new technology will have to go through a very expensive testingL procedure, the cost of which stifles innovation, and the lawyers will have aL field day.  By making an improvement, the manufacturer must be admitting theO prior product was deficient in some way.  Stupid, but how many lawyers live offo the rest of us.n  N I've gotten rather far from the original topic, but you have to understand howJ hard it is to introduce something new in aviation, and get it approved.  IP wasn't saying VMS wouldn't be good for such real-time work, just that getting itA accepted would be a tough job.  Expensive would be a better word.e  P > > Some of the possible uses of GPS have been possible for many years, and they, > > still are not in any available products. > F > As any long-time reader of comp.risks can tell you, even GPS has itsE > problems, and doesn't necessarily provide adequate solutions to the  > problems you mention.o  I If it provides any solutions, then why not use it?  I've used GPS, and iteM helps.  There is no question there.  There are certified GPS systems that areeK now allowed to be used in instrument conditions.  They are very expensive. aM There are much lower cost systems that do the same thing, but do not have FAAyL certification.  Why?  High cost of certification.  Now throw in something asO large as VMS, and look at the amount of effort you'd have to do to prove to the3H FAA that it actually works.  They won't take your word, or Compaq's, forN anything.  You'd have to re-do all the testing the VMS developers do, and then some to satisfy them.e  G Back to the collision avoidance idea.  Maybe it won't work every time. kP Regardless of anything else, the pilot is responsible at all times to see and beO seen.  Not an opinion, but stated in the FARs.  Having a system that might helpdL cannot be a bad thing.  Regardless of the level of 'adequacy', such a systemG would help.  The sole reason it doesn't exist today, other than in someuM evaluations which have taken far too long to occur, is the perceived and realwN cost of proving anything new, and the state of mind this has created in peopleN in such businesses.  In this type of environment, change is a very slow thing,J and the concept of using an off the shelf product, like VMS, regardless of$ suitability, has very little chance.  L > As far as the original postulate re shuttle control, there is MUCH more toJ > the issue than is addressed by a general purpose OS, even one as good as. > VMS (to say nothing of the hardware issues).  O Yes, this is true.  Just one of the issues is the cross checking the systems dow% on each other.  Very special purpose.a   Dave   -- R4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:17:45 -0400f2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system7 Message-ID: <200008210017_MC2-B069-4B37@compuserve.com>s  & Message text written by David A FrobleJ >An individual who works for a company providing (FAA certified) aircraft=  E insturments commented that the FAA would never certify for instrumenth
 flight (orJ any other) any product using MS windows, nor any other general purpose OS= . =f  E Seems that they want something where everything is known, documented,i tested,pF etc.  Not a bad concept when a system failure has a high likelyhood of killing J people.  Unfortunately it stifles creativity, ideas, and reasonable cost.=  =   SomeG of the possible uses of GPS have been possible for many years, and theyC still # are not is any available products.<e  H         I must say I'm all in favor of stiffling creativity when it's myF sacred body at risk!  It bloody well has to be right and Windows isn't' there yet.  It isn't even in sight yet!    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Aug 2000 22:13:19 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: [VMS V7.2] HELP Specify* Message-ID: <39a03bdf$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  l In article <200008200923_MC2-B04C-AB8A@compuserve.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes:I >        It was intended! =3DIn the VMS 7.x Release Notes or New Features6H >Manual somewhere there is a two line entry saying that they changed the >name. >mK >        Apparently it was too hard to find.  Well it's harder now!!!!!!  =a >nH >Not the greatest move they ever made; almost everyone who needed it for8 >reference knew where to find it; now none of us do.   = >o > C >        Don't ask me what the new name is; I've forgotten already.r   DCL_Tips  9 Thanks anyone. One can find it, when one know it's there. ? But it was a bad decision to change it. Upward compatible ? NOTw   -- d< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888l< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.466 ************************