1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 21 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 467       Contents: Re: 100 MB/sec on 500au  A must read!9 Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor  Re: Big AlphaServer Sale CETS2000 working session list ! Re: CETS2000 working session list  Re: Changing address on MV3100  DEC Printserver 17 Configuration$ Re: DEC Printserver 17 Configuration Re: From VMS to NT Re: From VMS to NT( FYI: ip address of samba.org has changed0 Re: Platform migration - password extractions?!?' Re: Supressing Commands from a COM File   Thank goodness; his disk is full- using jar files on the classpath with openvms  Vax/Vms  Re: Vax/Vms  Re: Vax/Vms % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % RE: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system  Re: VMS on a notebook ? ( Re: X terminals that speak DECnet or LAT RE: [VMS V7.2] HELP Specify  RE: [VMS V7.2] HELP Specify  RE: [VMS V7.2] HELP Specify   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  / Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:24:46 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>  Subject: Re: 100 MB/sec on 500au6 Message-ID: <200008210621.IAA11623@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  C if you will enter a wrong value for EWA0_mode, you will see all the D allowed keywords. For your case I think that FAST or FASTFDthe rightI one is. The latter one needs a partner, who speaks also FD (full duplex). G If you use the host in conjunction with an switch, both sides should be 0 speak the same (AUTONEGOTIATION, FAST or FASFD).   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 03:31:58 -0700 (PDT)  From: mojo <argas@uswest.net>  Subject: A must read! - Message-ID: <0FZN00N5Z19A7M@mx.west.saic.com>    =09Dear Friend,    =09AS SEEN  ON NATIONAL TV:   @ =09"Making over half a million dollars every 4 to 5 months from=
  your home? =09 for an investment of only $25 US Dollars one time expense."   / =09THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET!  =09=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  . =09BE A MILLIONARE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!  A =09Before you say "Bull", please read the following. This is the=   letter you have been C =09hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this=   letter on the internet,B =09a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show=  to the investigation @ =09of the program described below, to see if it really can make=  people money.  D =09The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal.=  Their findings > =09proved once and for all that there are "absolutely NO LAWS=  prohibiting the participation@ =09in the program and if people can follow simple instructions,=  they are bound to make some0 =09mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost".  C =09DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM=   HAS ATTAINED, IT ) =09IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER.    =09This is what one had to say:   A =09"Thanks to this profitable opportunity! I was approached many= $  times before but each time I passed@ =09on it. I am glad I finally joined just to see what one could=  expect in return for @ =09the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I=  received total $610,470.00 , =09in 21 weeks, with money still coming in!"  B -----------------------------------------------------------------=+ -------------------------------------------   " =09=09Here is another testimonial:  ; "This program has been around for a long  time but I never= ?  believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the= >  mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple=@  instructions and walaa=85.. 3 weeks later the money started to=@  come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months=*  after that I made a total of $290,000.00.@ So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have==  made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to= ?  success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT=   change anything."  ( =09=09More testimonials later but first,1 ******************PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE=   REFERENCE************  B $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$= $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ C =09If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months=   easily and ? comfortably, please read the following, THEN READ IT AGAIN AND=   AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! B $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$= $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$   ? FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS=   WILL COME TRUE, GAURANTEED!!!  
 INSTRUCTIONS:   0 ****Order all 5 reports shown on the list below.  < ****For each report, send $5 cash, the name & number of the=  report you are orderingA and your e-mail address to the person whose name appears on that=   list next to the report. B Make sure your return address is on your envelope in the top left=  corner in case of any mail problems.  B *****When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5=	  reports. ?  You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your=   computer and resell them."  Your total cost $5 x 5 =3D $25.00  A *****Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the=   5 reports from these A 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will=   be accessible for you? to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you.=   Also make a floppy of these>  reprts and keep it on your desk in case something happens to=  your computer.   ? *****IMPORTANT!!  DO NOT ALTER the names of the people who are=   listed next to each report,>  or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is=  instructed below in step 1 A through 6 or you will loose out on the majority of your profits.=   Once you understand the> way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you=  change it.   A Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will=   NOT work!!! People A have tried to put their friends and relative's names on all five=   thinking they couldB  get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we=  all have tried to be : greedy and then nothing happened. So do not try to change=  anything other than what is9 instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you.=   Remember, honesty reaps the  rewards!!!   A 1. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement= @  and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT #5. This=?  person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting=   their fortune.   < 2. Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down to REPORT # 5.  < 3. Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down to REPORT # 4.  < 4. Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down to REPORT # 3.  < 5. Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down to REPORT # 2.  9 6. Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 position.   / PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU COPY EVERY NAME & ADDRESS=   ACCURATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   B Take this entire lette, with the modified list of names, and save=A  it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES!!! Save this= 4  on a disk as well just in case you loose some data.  B To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5=A  reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing= =  information which includes how to send bulk e-mail legally,= >  where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more.  6 There are 2 primary methods to get this venture going:  , METHOD # 1. : BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DB Lets say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes,=?  and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000= A  e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a= B  0.2% response ( the response could be much better but let's just=@  say 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands=#  of e-mails instead of only 5,000).   ? Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails.= >  With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1.=A  Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mails each for= :  a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2%=D  responded with orders. That's =3D 100 people responded and ordered=@  report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a==  total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000= A  orders for report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails= >  each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. Those 10,000=B  people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50=<  million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 for=  report # 5.  ; THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH =3D 500,000.00 (half a= 
  million).  % Your total income in this example is:  1..$50 2..$500 	 3..$5,000 
 4..$50,000D 5..$500,000 =85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85..Grand Total =3D $555,550.00  B NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST=  POSSIBLE RESPONSES A AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF= 	  MONEY!!!   B -----------------------------------------------------------------=? ---------------------------------------------------------------   A Remember friend, this is assuming only 10 people ordering out of=   5,000 you mailed to. B Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone, or half=  or even one fourth of>  those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more.? There are=  over 150 million people on B the internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will=  do just that, and more.    0 METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  > Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are=  hundreds of FREE places to B  advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the internet will easily=  get a larger response. @ We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add Method # 2=  as you go along. = For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the=   report they ordered. ? That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This=   will guarantee that theA  e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be=   prompt because they can-  not advertise until they receive the report.     $ __________________________AVAILABLE=/  REPORTS_______________________________________   @ REPORT # 1 " The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the=  Internet."    Order report # 1 from:   Kenneth J. Morse 318 E. River St  Monticello, MN 55362B _________________________________________________________________= _____________________   ? REPORT # 2 " The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-Mail on the=   Internet".    Order report # 2 from:  
 Jacki Hill 25 Hamilton Harbor Drive #303  Lake Wylie, SC 29710B _________________________________________________________________= _____________________     7 REPORT # 3 " The Secret to Multilevel Marketing on the=   Internet".    Order report # 3 from:   John Sitton  2901 S. Main Lindale, TX 75771 B _________________________________________________________________= _____________________     > REPORT # 4 " How to Become a Millionare Utilizing MLM and the=  Internet".    Order report # 4 from:  
 Arnold Larson  P.O. Box 17622 Sarasota, FL 34276B _________________________________________________________________= _____________________     5 REPORT # 5 " How to Send 1 Million E-Mails for Free".    Order report # 5 from:   Rockin' E Marketing  8325 35th Street N.E.  Warwick, ND 58381 B _________________________________________________________________= _____________________   ) $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES= "  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  2 Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:  A If you do not receive at least 10 orders for report # 1 within 2=   weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do.   ? After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you=   should receive 100 orders@ or more for report # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or=  sending e-mails until you do.   B Once you have received 100 or more orders for report # 2, YOU CAN=  RELAX, because the B  system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to=
  roll in!!  C THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: =09=09Every rime your name is moved=   down on the list,=  you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP=   TRACK of your PROGRESS by@ watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT=  TO GENERATE MORE INCOMEB  SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN.=  There is no limit to 3 the income you can generate from this business!!!!! B _________________________________________________________________= ___________________   > =09=09FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:  @ "You have just received information that can give you financial=  freedom for the rest ofA your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can=   make more money in the 6 next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined.  B Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. DO NOT CHANGE IT in any=  way. It works exceedingly?  well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting=   report after you have putB your name and address in Report # 1 and moved other to #2 through=  #5 as instructed above.A  One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more=   e-mails and your name will A  be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out=   the more potential  customers you will reach.   B So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials,=  and opportunity to become0 financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!!!"    1 ****************************** MORE TESTIMONIALS= #  **********************************   A " My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am=   an accountant with a major ? U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received=   this program I grumbled to =  Jody about receiving " Junk Mail ". I made fun of the whole=   thing, spouting my knowledge B  of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't=  work. Jody totally ignored B  my supposed intelligence and a few days later she jumped in with=  both feet. I made mercilessB  fun of her, and was ready to lay the old " I told you so" on her=  when the thing didn'tB  work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received=  50 responses. Within the >  next 45 days she had received a total of $ 147,200.00 all in=  cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her "hobby". ' =09=09=09=09=09=09=09Mitchell Wolf,  MD B _________________________________________________________________= ___________________   B "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up=  my mind to participate in;  this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the= !  initial investment was so little A  that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to=   at least get my money back.  < I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box=  crammed with orders. I made@  $ 319,210.00  in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this=  deal is that it does not A matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment=   with a faster return and  so big."6 =09=09=09=09=09=09=09=09Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, CanadaB _________________________________________________________________= ____________________  ? "I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I=   wondered if I should have? given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get=B  another copy, so I had toF wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else=85=8511 months passed=  then it luckily came0A again=85..I did not delete this one! I made $ 490,000 onmy first=n  try and all the money camer within 22 weeks."u  0 =09=09=09=09=09=09=09Susan De Suza, New York, NYB _________________________________________________________________= _____________________g  @ "It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money=  with little cost to you. @ I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days=  the money started to come=  in. My first month I made $ 20,560.00 and by the end of the=i   third month my total cash count>  was $ 362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanks to the internet."8 =09=09=09=09=09=09=09Fred Dellaca, Westport, New ZealandB _________________________________________________________________= _____________________a  9 ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO=s  FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!!!!VB _________________________________________________________________= _____________________-  ; If you have any questions of the legality of this program,=-   contact the Office of Associate=  Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission,=j  Bureau of Consumer Protection,s  Washington, DC.  B /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= ///////////////////////////l# ONE TIME MAILING, NO NEED TO REMOVE B /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= //////////////////////////  @ This message is sent in compliance of the proposed bill SECTION=  301 per Section 301,hB  paragraph (a) (2) (c) of S. 1618. Further transmission to you by=  the sender of this-? e-mail may be stopped at no cost to you by sending a reply to:=0  Sophie530@email.com witha:  the word Remove in the subject line. This message is not=  intended for residents in the; States of Washington, California or Virginia. Screening of=o5  addresses has been done to the best of our technicaly ability.   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 09:44:43 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)B Subject: Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor! Message-ID: <3h9Hp3hc1ApB@flying>3  ( In article <FzLzGG.Eqw@spcuna.spc.edu>, * Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:  F > At least on the ZLXp-E2, the switch settings on the card control theL > resolution and scan rate. The switch table was posted here within the last: > 6 months, but I can't find it using a quick Deja search.  7 For the ZLXp-E1/E2/E3, the switch settings are found in ? EK-T2424-OG "ZLXp-E1/E2/E2 PCI Graphics Options Owner's Guide".i  ; This is from Figure 4, Table 4, and Table 5 in that manual.a  : These assume that you are holding the board with the metal; bracket towards you, the stereo jack towards your left, and=7 the video connector towards your right.   NOTE: This isf9 upside down from the way it is probably installed in youro+ system, but it's the way DEC documented it.f  8 There are four tiny switches between the stereo jack and9 the video connector.   The one closest to the stereo jackN9 is SW1.    The switch setting is not dynamic, and is reado4 only upon initialization, power up, or system reset.  8                               Pixel  Resolution  Refresh6      SW1   SW2   SW3   SW4    Freq.   (pixels)    (Hz)  5  0  Down  Down  Down  Down     130   1280x1024     72 5  1   Up   Down  Down  Down     119   1280x1024     66o5  2  Down   Up   Down  Down     108   1280x1024     60n5  3   Up    Up   Down  Down     104   1152x900      72-5  4  Down  Down   Up   Down      93   1152x900      66-5  5   Up   Down   Up   Down      75   1024x768      70i5  6  Down   Up    Up   Down      74   1024x768      72 5  7   Up    Up    Up   Down      69   1024x864      60i5  8  Down  Down  Down   Up       65   1024x768      60o5  9   Up   Down  Down   Up       50    800x600      72s5 10  Down   Up   Down   Up       40    800x600      60n5 11   Up    Up   Down   Up       32    640x480      72a5 12  Down  Down   Up    Up       25    640x480      60s5 13   Up   Down   Up    Up      135   1280x1024     7505 14  Down   Up    Up    Up      110   1280x1024     60i' 15   Up    Up    Up    Up      Reservede  8 With a Viewsonic PS790, I am running mine at setting #13 and am quite happy with it.*  : I am just curious how the performance of the ZLXp-E models9 compare with the Elsa Gloria Synerby.   Does anyone know?$   -- $B --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:41:43 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer SaleE* Message-ID: <39A13197.DAC9BD8E@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:   > David, >!M > While I can appreciate that the UNIX based programs that you are running in*J > your environment may not be running as fast as you would like them to orL > perhaps as fast as a native UNIX environment, please do not try to make itL > appear that VMS performance is behind on other programs that were designed1 > to take advantage of VMS architectual features.m > J > As an example, many large and extremely IO intensive banks still use RMSK > databases because they can not get the IO performance that they need fromu > databases like Oracle. >o= > >>> It doesn't include small scale technical computing, <<<e >vH > While OVMS obviously does not dominate the WS industry, take a look atJ > http://www.genetek.com/ - they have an extremely competitive workstationK > offering (on OpenVMS) because it takes advantage of many of the Alpha andoL > OpenVMS specific features. Floating point 64bit performance is a killer onI > the Alpha and their seismic solution takes advantage of these features.w >aK > >>> Certain aspects of network performance are also inferior, but only byy > factors of 2 or 3. <<s >cK > So how does this explain the success of OpenVMS based solutions that have K > huge network and disk IO like www.northernlight.com (one of the top ratedtH > internet search engines), e*Trade (huge network and disk IO speaks for< > itself), ISE (Internatinal Securities Exchange) reference:8 > http://www.iseoptions.com/about/technology_compaq.html >   B But neither Northernlight or e*Trade use OpenVMS for the WEB frontJ end or the applications tier. I know that in both cases the back end is onB OpenVMS. But lets look at e*Trade as an example, the bulk of theirD systems from a capacity standpoint are first tier web servers or midB tier compute(applications) servers, these are the systems that are> providing the network bandwidth not the OpenVMS cluster at theF back end. This is pretty typical of most 3 tier WEB/PortalApplications server/DBMSnF infrastructures with most of the systems being in the first two tiers.  = One of the eCommerce sites that I am working on at the moment K will end up with 150+ web/portal/firewall/applications servers ranging from.< 1 - 12 CPU's and 4 relatively  modest 10-14 CPU backend DBMS servers.  B The bandwidth requirements for these backend servers is relativelyD low with the potal/applications servers generating most of the load.   Regards= Andrew Harrison= Enterprise IT ArchitectD   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400=& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>& Subject: CETS2000 working session list2 Message-ID: <8nri1a$irj$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  I The follow is the working list of tracks and session titles for CETS2000.EF These are still subject to a few changes.  There are about a 1/2 dozenL AlphaServer and Oracle sessions each to be added.  The entire security track= is still under development.  The DFW sessions are not in yet.g  K AlphaServer              "Building and Installing a Web Infrastructure withi" AlphaServer              "EnFuzion. AlphaServer              "Going Up Against SUN. AlphaServer              "Going Up Against SUNK AlphaServer              Alpha Server Sizing for Oracle Internet Procuremen=? AlphaServer              AlphaServer ES40 and DS Series Systems=H AlphaServer              AlphaServer GS80/160/320 Competitive ComparisonJ AlphaServer              Case Studies: High Performance Computing CustomerK AlphaServer              Compaq Management Agents: Exposing the Inherent MapG AlphaServer              Configuration of a High Availability GS System J AlphaServer              Configuring the AlphaServer GS320 for Performance< AlphaServer              Hollywood Loves Compaq AlphaServers7 AlphaServer              How to Use  ActiveAnswers /jtwo6 AlphaServer              Installing Linux On the AlphaK AlphaServer              Intelligent Manageability: Managing Your Compaq Sy-K AlphaServer              Migrating to Compaq Insight Manager XE 2.0 - Gaini J AlphaServer              OpenVMS Support for the New Compaq AlphaServer GS? AlphaServer              The Evolution of I/O and InterconnectsoK AlphaServer              Why is My Memory So Slow? Fun with Threads on Alph K Application Dev.         Compaq Enterprise Toolkit-The OpenVMS Edition HandmH Application Dev.         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      Windows 2000 Domain Migration Tools and Techniquesi2 Windows NT/2000          Windows NT: NTFS Revealed     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.ccsE =====================================================================m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:35:14 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>* Subject: Re: CETS2000 working session list2 Message-ID: <8nri81$ajp$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>  E For questions about CETS-2000 visit www.CETS2000.com or send email tosJ Information@CETS2000.com. When registering as DECUS for this conference at, www.CETS2000.com please use RSVP code D5331.       --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cctE =====================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 15:13:24 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: Changing address on MV3100O6 Message-ID: <8nrguk$4d4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  _ In article <7Pnn5.5077$Ds1.23125@jekyl.ab.tac.net>, mymail@hotmail.com (Balexi Yurguat) writes:f. :How would I change my _dkb100: to dkb400: ???  D   By adding DKB300: to the existing DKB100: to produce DKB400:?  :-)  F   Seriously, the drive select mechanisms varies widely.  If you want aL   meaningful answer to the question, you will have to identify the specific K   manufacturer and model of disk drive involved here.  (There are pointers CJ   to various SCSI-related information websites listed in the OpenVMS FAQ.)F   If this is a Compaq (or DIGITAL) disk drive, I or others may be ableI   to provide you the information, as may the third-party vendor (or other K   folks here with that vendor's information) if this is a third-party disk.n  J   If, in the other hand, you have code that references one and you want itK   to reference the other, you can alter the code.  (Best to alter it to useIJ   logical names, then you won't ever have to deal with this again, but youK   could also obviously alter the code to reference the new physical device cI   name via an editor, PATCH, or other means -- I'd be tempted to patch intL   a logical name of the same length as the old/errant physical device name.)  J   You will also want to identify the particular series and model, as thereJ   are a wide variety of systems around in the 3100 series -- and some haveH   some very specific limitations around system disk sizes and such.  YouI   will also want to mention the MicroVMS or OpenVMS version, as there are K   also some limits in disk sizes involved.  (See the FAQ for some details.)     N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:04:54 -0400s0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>) Subject: DEC Printserver 17 ConfigurationgC Message-ID: <NDBBJFNBJJHKADILJHIJOENCEDAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>    Hi all..  K Was wondering if anybody out there had configured a DEC Print Server 17.  I L have acquired one that is suppossedly working just fine. I have it connectedK to the network ( or at least wired for so ) and now need to configure an IPaH address/name for it.. does anybody know how I would go about doing this?   Thanks!!   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 17:35:02 GMT7 From: rickm.nospam@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rick Millhollin) - Subject: Re: DEC Printserver 17 Configurationn+ Message-ID: <8nrp85$o36$1@pith.uoregon.edu>d  D In article <NDBBJFNBJJHKADILJHIJOENCEDAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>,   arturo.saavedra@wcom.com says... >a	 >Hi all..  >XL >Was wondering if anybody out there had configured a DEC Print Server 17.  IM >have acquired one that is suppossedly working just fine. I have it connectedmL >to the network ( or at least wired for so ) and now need to configure an IPI >address/name for it.. does anybody know how I would go about doing this?p >r	 >Thanks!!t  M You need Printerver Software (LPS) layered product to download configuration TI and software to the printer.  You probably also want DECprint Supervisor n (DCPS).f  < Rick Millhollin, Assistant Director for Computing FacilitiesA University of Oregon, Computing Center, Eugene, Oregon 97403-1212r( Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-4397) E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.eduX- <<<<< Remove digits from e-mail address >>>>>d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:44:46 +0100nB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: From VMS to NT * Message-ID: <39A0EBFE.E73956AB@uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:X   > Glen Martin wrote:I > > Hey, twice in a short time span that our SUNny friend has recommendedmJ > > staying with an OpenVMS solution. As critical as he is of the Q and ofK > > VMS advocates, even he knows that companies should stay with a solutioni > > that works.... >  > <devil's advocate mode ON> >aL > That is because SUN knows it stands a much better chance of stealing a VMSG > customers than it has stealing a Microsoft one. Hence, it it to SUN'seO > advantage to prevent migrations to Microsoft. The more folks stay on "legacy"rN > hardware, the more  prey SUN can circle and pounce upon as soon as they show > signs of weakness... >c > :-)O  J No if I was intent on capturing the origional poster as a customer I wouldD advocate moving the whole thing lock stock and barrel to NT. OpenVMSC customers tend to be loyal to the product in my experience while NTeA customers tend to end up being disappointed by what they get. Itsl@ the disappointed customers who I would guess would be the easier to move later on.i  N I take the view that if it isn't broken then don't mess with it. The origionalB posting did not mention any underlying disappointment with OpenVMSF and it seems appart from the GUI front end to be delivering what it isD expected to. In these circumstances and of course there may be other issues I would no change it.     Regardsv Andrew Harrisono Enterprise IT Architectw   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:53:04 +0100dB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: From VMS to NT * Message-ID: <39A12630.D6EFD175@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:   , > In article <399D6C7F.84F25EBA@uk.sun.com>,F > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: > >T
 > >[big snip]C > > E > >It is strange that you seem unable to conduct a discussion withoutD@ > >attacking Sun even in a thread where someone who you think isC > >a Sun marketeer is actually supporting the retention of OpenVMS.t > >s >sD > What an incredible misrepresentation of what I've said here.  I'veE > had many debates with you here in which I didn't attack Sun.  Spin,w > lie, spin, lie, spin.v >aG > I can even remember a couple of occasions that I praised Sun and I'vea" > _often_ been critical of Compaq. >CC > What's true is that you can't seem to post in comp.os.vms withouti@ > attacking Compaq.  It was so unusual that you recently advisedC > someone to stick with OpenVMS that it gathered comment from other 
 > posters. >d  < Yup but you could not resist flaming the response could you.  8 Please re-read my posts concerning OpenVMS, I have never; said its a crap OS and I have never raised doubts about its0; technical ability. I have questioned peoples blind faith in 8 its technical leadership over other OS's and their blind> faith in its security if based for example on CERT advisories.  : I have mostly criticised the mindset of people who seem to; think that OpenVMS is finished and does not need improving.0A One poster summed this up by saying that UNIX is just a subset ofd6 OpenVMS against a background of people posting OpenVMS9 wish list suggestions many of which either come from UNIXf or UNIX has allready.o  C I have also criticised/corrected people who clearly knowing nothingt< about things like UNIX clustering make erroneous comparisons+ between OpenVMS clusters and UNIX clusters.    >oF > >It makes me think that you arn't really reading what I post you are= > >simply flaming me because of the fact that I work for Sun.2 > D > I caught you recently not reading what was being posted.  RememberB > when you attacked the poster for saying that OpenVMS was as open> > as Solaris when in fact he was saying the opposite?  But you5 > quickly elided that part from further discussion...   ; Well done, you yourself seemed to be suffering from reading>< comprehension difficulties in relation to the TCO thread and: then you flamed me for because you though I had introduced8 another benchmark to compare Alpha's with other systems.   I guess we are quits.g   Regards  Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT Architectc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:20:31 -0500t) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>=1 Subject: FYI: ip address of samba.org has changed-7 Message-ID: <091f01c00b6c$92362790$020a0a0a@xile.realm>a  7 [E-Mail addresses munged to prevent spambot harvesting]n  2 From: "Andrew Tridgell" <tridge@linuxcare.company> To: <samba@samba.organization>% Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:37 AM., Subject: ip address of samba.org has changed    F > samba.org has moved and has a new IP address. You may find that someD > services are inaccessible until your local name server fetches theD > updated records. That should happen fairlly quickly, but please be
 > patient. > C > This affects the machines samba.org, cvs.samba.org and all email.l > B > The machine is now located in the Linuxcare offices in Canberra,F > Australia. It was located at the Australian National University. I'dD > like to thank ANU for hosting samba.org for so many years, the ANUD > administrators have been very tolerant of what was a large load on > their network. > F > Note that most of the high bandwidth services for samba.org (such asE > ftp.samba.org, mirror.samba.org and the main web sites) are alreadytD > located in the US thanks to the generous provision of a machine byG > SGI. We will be moving more services (such as the rest of the mailinglC > lists and the cvs tree) onto that machine in the near future. TimcF > Potter (tpot#linuxcare.com.au) is looking after that transition, and7 > is now doing most of the sysadmin work for samba.org.n >  > Cheers, Tridge   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 05:55:46 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)9 Subject: Re: Platform migration - password extractions?!?l, Message-ID: <8nqg92$f1b@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  T In article <399df4cb.2891277@news.mebtel.net>, xaphan@mebtel.net (Dan Evans) writes:G >I work for a company who has purchased a completely oursourced ISP andgG >they run entirely on VMS.  There are 11,000+ users that I must migratemD >to a new platform running iPlanet on Solaris.  Is there any hope ofF >extracting the users' passwords from the sysuaf.dat file?  I'm tryingF >to make the migration as seamless as possible and I don't really wantC >to have 11,000 helpdesk calls on the day of the ultimate cut over.a > E >Also, the mail platform they're using is PMDF.  I must migrate theireC >mail as transparently as possible - I have found perl scripts thate@ >will convert the VMS mail files to a "/var/mail" type after theE >"extract/all filename.txt" from the mail utility, but the extraction D >does not look the same running in PMDF as it does with standard VMSG >mail... and the script is to convert the VMS mail.  Any suggestions ors) >assistance would be GREATLY appreciated!m  B What you're trying to do is essentially impossible.  You'd have toL effectively run a VMS "crack" program in a priv'd account to find passwords @ that hash to those in the SYSUAF, and then you'd have to set theF Unix passwords to those matches.  But it's not a 1:1 conversion, there: are many strings which will hash to what the SYSUAF holds.  K If I were you I'd contact R. Marcello or some other bigwig at Compaq, tell rK them what you're trying to do, and see if they can make it worth your whileb
 NOT to do it.e  I I also suspect that a lot of those people are using that ISP specificallyyF because it is running VMS - those types are going to be really, reallyJ pissed when you do this.  Far better to contact the customers and ask themL if they'd like to migrate, and make it advantageous for them to do so. Don'tI know about you, but I really hate it when my bank, credit card, mortgage, J and/ or ISP gets hijacked (er, purchased) and I end up with a company that- I often chose NOT to use in the first place. A   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:47:24 +0100 5 From: "Chris Casey" <Chris.Casey@HendersonNOSPAM.com>e0 Subject: Re: Supressing Commands from a COM File) Message-ID: <8nqmqq$e1k$1@soap.pipex.net>   J You might want to ask questions on comp.lang.mumps to see how other people are doing this.eF You might also want to question the validity of doing things this way.H Most modern mumps have a concurrent backup option which might give you a9 more consistent database should you ever want to restore.   H smiley0205@my-deja.com wrote in message <8npvv8$rjk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...1 >In article <39900a48.65379600@news.starnet.net>,g/ >  sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn M) wrote: 
 >> Hi all, >>G >> We are running OpenVms 7.1 on an AlphaServer here in our shop.  I am F >> in the midst of writing a COM file which will freeze a Mumps DB for
 >> backup. >>G >> After I issue the command to freeze the DB, I am prompted for manuallG >> input.  It is the same question for each of the 10 DB's which i have 
 >> to freeze.H >>H >> Instead of manually typing the information, I would like the COM file; >> to automate the response, for example a sample would be:o >>. >> Do you really want to freeze this database? >>I >> I would like to have the COM file automatically answer Y and continue?a >>7 >> Can someone give me some ideas on what I need to do.o >>	 >> Thanksr >> >> Shawn >> >> >Shawn,n >HC >  Normally you should just be able to embed a "Y" into the command J >procedure and that will take care of it.  For instance, if the command toF >invoke the immage is "dbstart" and the first prompt is "Do you reallyH >want to freeze this database?  " the command procedure should look like >this: >u
 >$ dbstart, >Do you really want to freeze this database? >Y >"Second prompt" >... >... >$ exiti >yB >If that doesn't work then we might have to do some redirection of >sys$input or sys$command... >  >Spike >p >a' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:41:25 -0400s+ From: Brendan Welch <brendan_welch@uml.edu>e) Subject: Thank goodness; his disk is full ' Message-ID: <39A13185.6A7C62C6@uml.edu>T   Subject:          failure noticeC    Date:#          21 Aug 2000 13:36:12 -0000     From:/          MAILER-DAEMON@mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net       To:          Brendan_Welch@uml.edu        ? Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net.hL I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.C This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.p   <argas@mail-mpls.uswest.net>:  Disk Quota Exceeded.A Sorry, your message cannot be delivered because the recipient hasi* exceeded their disk space limit for email.  - --- Below this line is a copy of the message.i  $ Return-Path: <Brendan_Welch@uml.edu>D Received: (qmail 66767 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 2000 13:36:12 -0000/ Received: from mail4.uswest.net (204.147.80.22) C   by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 13:36:12 -0000SG Received: (qmail 5124 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 13:36:12 -0000p. Received: from postoffice.uml.edu (129.63.1.2);   by mail4.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 13:36:12 -0000S9 Received: from uml.edu (accdesk3.uml.edu [129.63.152.48]) @           by postoffice.uml.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54)8            with ESMTP id AAA7615 for <argas@uswest.net>;)           Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:36:07 -0400P% Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:36:05 -0400 ' Message-ID: <39A13045.A70069C2@uml.edu>P0 From: "Brendan J. Welch" <Brendan_Welch@uml.edu> To: argas@uswest.net2 Organization: University of Massachusetts - Lowell& X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: enu MIME-Version: 1.0  Subject: million $* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn     Deer frend,t  / I want to be a millyunair too.  Thanks for your  generous offer.i               --E Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell, W1LPGc   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:07:52 GMTm From: jcostello50@my-deja.comr6 Subject: using jar files on the classpath with openvms) Message-ID: <8nrgjm$h96$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   > I'm having trouble using a jar file with a directory hierarchy@ archived on VMS.  I'm compiling and jar'ing on NT and moving theD file to VMS (making sure to convert to stream_lf).  If i'm not usingD explicit package statements, this works fine. I can send the file toA VMS and use it on the classpath.  However if I use a package name.@ and jar up the whole directory structure, I can use the jar fileC on the classpath on NT but not on VMS.  For example, I have a classw file with a full path of  . [current dir]\com\stats\test\Test.class.  From   [current dir], I use   jar -cvf0 test.jar *.*   From NT I can uset  , java -classpath test.jar com.stats.test.Test  ! From VMS, I should be able to usee  6 java "com.stats.test.Test" -classpath test.jar, but it  doesn't work (ClassDefNotFound).  C The file does extract fine on VMS, even recreating the directories. B I am using jar files to get around the case problems with VMS 7.1, so extracting is not ideal.Q  ? Have other people run into similar difficulties? Any solutions?r  
 Jake CostelloL STATS, Inc.-    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:45:53 +0300T/ From: "Frountzas Stavros" <FROUNTZA@x-treme.gr>t Subject: Vax/Vms/ Message-ID: <8nr83v$1b2i$1@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr>A   I have this problem.7     We used to boot our Vax using only the Boot commandeB     Nowadays we need to enter the following in order to boot (BOOT
 R5/0:DIA0)  D if we enter only the B coommand then we get an error message about a devassign failure      Can Aybody give me a hintA       thanks in advamceS stavrost   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:05:22 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Vax/Vms+ Message-ID: <8nr9ek$222@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   d "Frountzas Stavros" <FROUNTZA@x-treme.gr> wrote in message news:8nr83v$1b2i$1@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr...  F > if we enter only the B coommand then we get an error message about a > devassign failuren  = Sometimes the defaults get scrambled. Try using SHOW BOOT and-> SHOW BFLG to see what they are. If it recurs, you may have bad CMOS batteries.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:57:04 -0400r- From: Niranjan Rajaghatta <hemanir@yahoo.com>A Subject: Re: Vax/Vms) Message-ID: <39A15F60.539DB110@yahoo.com>o   Did you upgrade your firmware ?r   -RSN   Frountzas Stavros wrote:   > I have this problem.9 >     We used to boot our Vax using only the Boot commandlD >     Nowadays we need to enter the following in order to boot (BOOT > R5/0:DIA0) >yF > if we enter only the B coommand then we get an error message about a > devassign failure  >A > Can Aybody give me a hinti >. > thanks in advamce.	 > stavrosi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:59:51 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>B. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system, Message-ID: <39A0C52D.8A82A1CE@videotron.ca>   David A Froble wrote:iP > I've gotten rather far from the original topic, but you have to understand howL > hard it is to introduce something new in aviation, and get it approved.  IR > wasn't saying VMS wouldn't be good for such real-time work, just that getting itC > accepted would be a tough job.  Expensive would be a better word.t  L Reason I asked is that NASA recently published a press release that they areL spending a bunch of money to study the future of the shuttle's old computers and possible replacements. ,  N *IF* they are to build a new system, I just wondered if using a system such asN VMS as a base might be possible. They're going to spend the megabucks to get aF trustable system, and since VMS already has the reliabilityy, and mostN especially the clustering, I am curious whether Compaq couldn't pitch VMS as a; possible solution or whether this would be too far fetched.p   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2000 02:57:22 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)M. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system* Message-ID: <8nqjsi$8ua$1@lisa.gemair.com>  G In article <39A0540B.14668.EBE80@localhost>,  <quayle@pobox.com> wrote: O >> I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the jobhO >> of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operating systemt6 >> to handle such a task with the required precision ? > A >Well, I don't know about the shuttle, but one of my clients has aE >installed hundreds of real-time process control systems that run on y6 >VMS.  I'm porting it to Alpha right this very minute. >oF >VMS has very good support for real-time programming, with priorities D >that do round-robin scheduling (0 through 15), and others that are  >preemptive (16 and up). >o  F I spent years in support and development of similar real-time systems.  8 When people talk about real-time control systems for the= shuttle or aviation, they are generally referring to what is e" known as "hard" real-time systems.  9 Hard real-time systems have quantifiable, precise timing b8 requirements such that any given operation, say a system7 call or access to some storage will perform within veryn specific parameters.  7 This is problematic in VMS or any "general purpose" OS,.5 particularly in light of paging.  In the case of VMS,r8 the OS kernel itself can page behind your back and bring in indeterminacy.   5 In all (or most) general purpose OS's you can provide,3 specific guarantees about this sort of thing if youU2 program at the device driver level at a very high 2 interrupt level.  This is, in effect, going around5 or underneath the OS and generally is not programminge/ in an environment that people associate with a o general purpose OS.<  9 Now, in actuality, the definition of real-time control is > if the system is fast enough to respond to real world events, > then it is real-time.  With a system like VMS, you can control0 a wide range of real world processes, including 5 Petrochemical, pipeline, manufacturing systems, etc. d6 etc.  When these systems are used to operate over long: distances, such as in Electrical Grid control, or pipeline/ management, these system fall under the generalv< category of SCADA (Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition)6 systems.  When such systems are confined to a plant or7 manufacturing environment, they are usually called just  process control systems.  = You don't usually apply VMS, or systems like it, to avionics n? and similar systems.  For these you typically need a different u? kind of OS.  Think VAXeln.  RSX-11 was sometimes used for hard r< real time control, often embedded into various applications ? in the form of RSX-11S.  There are a number of these real-time tC kernels available on the market, and one of them that I'm familiar pA with (QNX) attempts to address both the fixed world of real-time r2 systems and more general programming environments.  < Even in a system like QNX, there are a number of sacrifices A necessary to provide the guarantees necessary for hard real-time sA and large Unix programs ported to the QNX environment often have o> to be run on systems with huge RAM requirements to work in an ? environment where paging isn't allowed.  I believe that QNX hasc? a program development mode that allows paging, but this is not l the typical production mode.  ? >I've done real-time programming on other platforms, from bare oA >processors to special operating systems (OS-9, MTOS).  VMS is a uG >"general purpose" operating system which means that I can expect good  B >tools (lots of compilers, TCP/IP, DECnet, TPU) and still control  >things with high precision. >fE >Another thing that's pretty cool is that every VAX (soon Alpha) can yF >be a complete process control system with just a little of the right % >programming.  Try that with Windows!e >d  > I can give you a long list of vendors who sell process control> systems using Windows.  A number of other vendors do this sort= of process control with various Unix systems.  Unfortunately,t: VMS is in something of a serious decline in this market.    7 None of the big names in these markets, Honeywell, ABB,-D Johnson Controls, Valmet, Foxboro, etc. have a current VMS offering.; Perhaps Alstom ESCA, in electrical systems, still has a VMSb< offering.  There are a number of companies that I'm aware of; who use VMS with their home-grown internal process control  = systems, but many of these have migration plans on the board.n  > I do agree that VMS has a number of advantages over many other> general purpose OS's for this kind of thing, but I don't think0 you'll find the marketplace agrees these days.    A A lot of enterprising people put together fine systems using VMS eF still, no doubt, but it's not like the mid-80s when VMS overwhelmingly dominated this market.     >  >h >--Stans >e >----------bH >Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-16712 >8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147> >Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com >h >    -Jordan Henderson. jordan@greenapple.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:54:44 +0100n/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>i. Subject: re: VMS as real time operating system7 Message-ID: <009EEEE6.ADF9F787.14@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>r   JF Mezei wrote:e > K > There is a discussion in a space newsgroup about the shuttle's computers.oM > Seems like they are more in a cluster with cooperating processes than in an E > "fault tolerant" architecture that would be associated with Tandem.m > N > I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the jobN > of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operating system5 > to handle such a task with the required precision ?t > I > I think it would be great marketing coup if Compaq were to win a bid to!I > replace the Shuttle's computer systems with a VMS based tightly coupled9O > cluster. (Obviously, probably VAX based, unless Compaq could built a militaryn > spec alpha chip ?   G VMS is a fine realtime operating system for many purposes, but it can't03 do this one. (Not using a vanilla cluster, anyway).i  G The reason is tht way that a cluster transition is handled (ie after a rL node crashes). This involves a multi-second "freeze" while the cluster waitsI to make sure that the node that disappeared really is dead, followed by aaG further extended period of lock remastering, during which the survivingiF nodes are working frantically at high interrupt priority. There's alsoH some chance of a software failure wedging the entire cluster. I saw this5 happen once (with provocation from faulty hardware). t  J In an environment where you can live with a transient hang-up of maybe 10 K seconds duration in response to a rare event (VMS node crash) this is fine.aD But a lot of harm could happen to a space shuttle in ten seconds (or even in one second).  P Triplicated hardware and a hardware voting system is I think what they use, and H almost certainly the only sensible way to go. In principle you might useF triplicated un-clustered VMS, with a lot of custom hardware support --7 I'll leave any further speculation to avionics experts.w   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."y   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:05:57 -0400  From: quayle@pobox.com. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system. Message-ID: <39A0E2E5.23056.23CD6D4@localhost>  C I forgot about clustering -- my client sells systems in pairs, but tC clustering is not supported (some customers do it anyway).  Simple t@ but dedicated hardware that arbitrates who's "active" and who's B "standby" is added to the system.  However, most customers choose C just a single system, since the hardware's pretty reliable.  Other s1 customers choose dual systems and dual Ethernets.a    9 > This is problematic in VMS or any "general purpose" OS,n7 > particularly in light of paging.  In the case of VMS,-: > the OS kernel itself can page behind your back and bring > in indeterminacy.y  F You can eliminate this if you buy enough memory and adjust the SYSGEN C parameters appropriately. "Vanilla" VMS comes with some reasonable  B guesses about what to do, which frequently involves paging. These C aren't the right choices in a process control system.  But they're   easily configurable.    : > [...] program at the device driver level at a very high 4 > interrupt level.  This is, in effect, going around7 > or underneath the OS and generally is not programmingp1 > in an environment that people associate with a . > general purpose OS.e  F But this only impacts the processes that use the device.  The rest of 0 the processes just see the "general purpose" OS.    ; > Now, in actuality, the definition of real-time control is @ > if the system is fast enough to respond to real world events, C > then it is real-time.  [...]  these system fall under the generalt> > category of SCADA (Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition)8 > systems.  When such systems are confined to a plant or9 > manufacturing environment, they are usually called justr > process control systems.   Yup.  Guilty as charged  :)f    @ > I can give you a long list of vendors who sell process control@ > systems using Windows.  A number of other vendors do this sort? > of process control with various Unix systems.  Unfortunately, < > VMS is in something of a serious decline in this market.    B I'm doing my best to stem the tide.  A lot of people won't commit D unless it runs on Alpha (although you can still buy new VAXen until  the end of this year).    9 > None of the big names in these markets, Honeywell, ABB,hF > Johnson Controls, Valmet, Foxboro, etc. have a current VMS offering.  F My client's not a "big name", but does have a signicant chunk of some ! markets.  They started on RSX-11.s    D We're all saying the same things -- don't we all agree that Windows E is a poor choice?  But people are comfortable with what they *think* -E they understand.  DOS was a reasonable embedded operating system for a7 some things -- Windows includes multiple kitchen sinks.;     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147F= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:16:12 -0400m+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>w. Subject: RE: VMS as real time operating systemJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052846BD@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Nigel,  J >>> In principle you might use triplicated un-clustered VMS, with a lot of custom hardware support -- <<e  K Or perhaps dual clusters, completely independant of each other supported by D some redundant HW (or perhaps middleware (like RTR) that directs the> requests e.g. no response within x time, go to the other one.   : Think of a "2 or 3 node DSxx cluster" as a single system.   K Question would be how to keep the database / data in each "cluster" in sync5I .. RTR custom type middleware applic might be one way of doing this as itoA can shadow writes using 2PC across network and cluster failures..   J This is what many banks and stock exchanges use today for similar reasons.D Very quick response and never lose a byte of data. Course, real timeD response times might be the issue with a middleware solution, but ??   :-)u   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada  Professional Services. Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comr       -----Original Message-----6 From: Nigel Arnot [mailto:sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk]% Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 5:55 AMu To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc. Subject: re: VMS as real time operating system       JF Mezei wrote:f > K > There is a discussion in a space newsgroup about the shuttle's computers.rJ > Seems like they are more in a cluster with cooperating processes than in anE > "fault tolerant" architecture that would be associated with Tandem.  > J > I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the jobjG > of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operatinge system5 > to handle such a task with the required precision ?y > I > I think it would be great marketing coup if Compaq were to win a bid toiI > replace the Shuttle's computer systems with a VMS based tightly coupledtF > cluster. (Obviously, probably VAX based, unless Compaq could built a military > spec alpha chip ?   G VMS is a fine realtime operating system for many purposes, but it can'ts3 do this one. (Not using a vanilla cluster, anyway)..  G The reason is tht way that a cluster transition is handled (ie after a oL node crashes). This involves a multi-second "freeze" while the cluster waitsI to make sure that the node that disappeared really is dead, followed by a G further extended period of lock remastering, during which the survivingtF nodes are working frantically at high interrupt priority. There's alsoH some chance of a software failure wedging the entire cluster. I saw this5 happen once (with provocation from faulty hardware). a  J In an environment where you can live with a transient hang-up of maybe 10 K seconds duration in response to a rare event (VMS node crash) this is fine.dD But a lot of harm could happen to a space shuttle in ten seconds (or even in one second).  K Triplicated hardware and a hardware voting system is I think what they use,  and H almost certainly the only sensible way to go. In principle you might useF triplicated un-clustered VMS, with a lot of custom hardware support --7 I'll leave any further speculation to avionics experts.)   	Yours,n
 		Nigel Arnotc- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   e  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."n   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2000 12:19:49 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)r. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system+ Message-ID: <B$Sck+GOW0$3@eisner.decus.org>z  \ In article <8nqjsi$8ua$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:  ; > Hard real-time systems have quantifiable, precise timing a: > requirements such that any given operation, say a system9 > call or access to some storage will perform within veryh > specific parameters. > 9 > This is problematic in VMS or any "general purpose" OS,-7 > particularly in light of paging.  In the case of VMS,j: > the OS kernel itself can page behind your back and bring > in indeterminacy.3  < I don't think there was any suggestion that programs written< on VMS would automatically support realtime activity with no; effort by the author.  Locking processes into memory, alonga: with locking pages into working sets are just the start of0 tools one would use to achieve the desired goal.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:34:26 GMTy4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system> Message-ID: <mSco5.10$D4.390@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  J The shuttle computers are a voting system of 5 IBM mainframes modified forH the shuttle.  As far as VMS running as a real-time OS, it can be done byD reconfiguring the VMS startup/runtime parameters.  Don't ask me what? parameters need to be reconfigured, I just know it can be done.r --	 Mike Obern  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39A03B11.F16A2641@videotron.ca...K > There is a discussion in a space newsgroup about the shuttle's computers.eJ > Seems like they are more in a cluster with cooperating processes than in anE > "fault tolerant" architecture that would be associated with Tandem.. > J > I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the job G > of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operatingg system5 > to handle such a task with the required precision ?t > I > I think it would be great marketing coup if Compaq were to win a bid toiI > replace the Shuttle's computer systems with a VMS based tightly coupled F > cluster. (Obviously, probably VAX based, unless Compaq could built a military > spec alpha chip ?d >H   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2000 12:25:04 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)9. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system* Message-ID: <8nrl50$9nl$1@lisa.gemair.com>  + In article <B$Sck+GOW0$3@eisner.decus.org>,h: Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote:] >In article <8nqjsi$8ua$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:n >k< >> Hard real-time systems have quantifiable, precise timing ; >> requirements such that any given operation, say a system : >> call or access to some storage will perform within very >> specific parameters.t >> r: >> This is problematic in VMS or any "general purpose" OS,8 >> particularly in light of paging.  In the case of VMS,; >> the OS kernel itself can page behind your back and bringe >> in indeterminacy. >y= >I don't think there was any suggestion that programs writtent= >on VMS would automatically support realtime activity with nos< >effort by the author.  Locking processes into memory, along; >with locking pages into working sets are just the start oft1 >tools one would use to achieve the desired goal.t  7 Yes, but can you really get hard quantifiable limits onr9 everything on VMS even if you take great care?  (Short ofS5 doing everything at the device driver level, which isS9 essentially writing your own real-time operating system).g  5 Sure, you can lock in all of the process's pages intoO5 memory, but is there any supported way of making surer0 that VMS will not page to access some of itself?  4 Even if you can do these things, I don't expect that5 the background work to support quantifying all of the 5 aspects of the distributed lock manager, logical namet5 translation, I/O queuing vagaries, process schedulingt4 and like work has been done to satisfy the stringent6 demands of hard real time that you see in avionics and aerospace systems.  . Had Digital been able to quantify these things/ exactly for VMS, there would have been no pointa. in doing the VAXeln product.  I believe VAXeln0 did/does have specific guarantees about how long/ all system services can take and is appropriateo for "hard" real-time systems.y  1 I can, and did, point out that this kind of exactr0 specification is not necessary for a broad class2 of process control systems that are often referred to as real-time control.    6 I've sometimes seen those who work on "hard" real-time4 control systems (those that have exact, quantifiable2 intervals for any service or resource assignment) 8 sneering at what's done in the process control industry,1 calling it "near" real-time, but I think this is b unfair.o  7 The real definition of real-time control is if a systema* can respond to real-world events.  A batch5 recipe loader for a process control environment might 5 only have to respond to events with a granularity of r7 5 minutes or more.  In such an environment, the controle1 system is certainly real-time, it's just not reale/ fast.  You sometimes hear the expression "Late t0 answers are wrong answers." applied to real-time0 systems.  If the result of a response being slow2 to a real-time situation is that the process yield- is not necessarily quite as high as it could a2 otherwise be, or if the Electrical Grid monitoring0 personnel don't know about that open breaker for1 2 seconds after it opens vs. .001 second after itp0 opens, then the answers are not necessary deemed "late".s  4 I don't know if the Shuttle control systems have to 4 respond to real-world events down to the microsecond1 or not, or if VMS could be typically expected to D3 handle this kind of application.  Someone mentionedc3 using VMS clustering.  I recall that we were trying / to use VMS clustering for failover/hot-standby e4 operation once in a control system environment where1 the specification said that we could have no morei4 than a 2 second delay from the time a primary system7 failed to when a backup system was fully operational.  i7 We couldn't get anywhere near this kind of performance f9 on our VAX 4000/500s with DSSI disks. I seem to remember h/ that we got it down to between 5 to 10 seconds.r  4 We stopped trying to use clustering and went back to3 using our own failover/hot-standby software that weE had developed for this purpose.    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:31:19 -0400e- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>i  Subject: Re: VMS on a notebook ?/ Message-ID: <sq2khplp87v145@corp.supernews.com>   > hg/jb wrote in message <399D66BD.73F5A506@bellatlantic.net>... >Thanks Peter,F >how did you get the image of vms hobbyist disk built into the system?7 >I am running an amd cpu, nt, charon, and when I try to, >boot dua1, I get a failure. >message is: >boot-f-Unknown processorm >e >?-06 halt inst- >pc 000050c7    C I cheated by building the disks on my desktop and then transferring1? them to the laptop. My desktop has the room to run the CD2IMAGEPF program so I could install VMS, Fortran, BASIC and a few other things.D I haven't tried the latest version yet that will let you access yourE CDROM directly, but that would make it easier to install on my laptops with limited disk space.  E Send the error you get to the Charon-VAX people, they have been quickD/ to respond to all of the bugs I have sent them.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:54:46 -0400m' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov> 1 Subject: Re: X terminals that speak DECnet or LATf+ Message-ID: <39A134A6.9F740D66@y12.doe.gov>o  M We currently use NCD19, NCD19C, Explora Pro, and Explora 451 X terminals herewK that boot from VMS.  NCD has dropped supporting booting from VMS.  The lastnK version that we could set up to boot terminals from VMS was version 5.0.129 K and a colleague of mine had to work with NCD support to go through hoops todM get it set up to work.  Their current release is 5.1.140 (which I believe was9N the next release).  They still license for NCDnet (their name for DECnet).  ItN is an added cost, something like $50 or $75, I think.  The terminals work fine over LAT or Telnet.   
 Dale A. Marcy . Science Applications International Corporation   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > ] > In article <399D11B9.75B6E252@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:c > >Randy Winfrey wrote:e > >>5 > >> Does anyone still manufacture an X terminal thata> > >> communicates via DECnet or LAT. Jupiter used to sell one, > >> but they don't anymore. > K > Is this really absolutely neccessary ? Now that OpenVMS offers good TCPIPa; > features it may be not worth to pay for these add-ons ...t > K > >I researched this some long ago and we settled on Tektronix X Terminals.tH > >(XP4xx line).  They did DECWindows over DECnet as well as having LAT,H > >telnet, and CTERM VT340 emulators.  They can also run DECWindows overG > >TCP/IP and used XDMCP for your Unix (& Multinet?) friends.  They hada >  > TCPware also offers an XDMCP.s > F > >OpenVMS VAX and Alpha server software and up to 21" dual-head boxes@ > >that can connect to most X-type and some WinDoze servers too. > > K > >However, Tek sold everything to NCD (which used to make X terms, but didp= > >not support OpenVMS in the past), including the people :).  > 9 > NCD did support OpenVMS a long time and maybe still do.iK > They even supported the boot of the NCD X-Terminals from a OpenVMS system: > via MOP (and BOOTP/TFTP).b > J > And finally they really made an add-on XDMCP for OpenVMS well before PSC2 > did it for TCPware or DEC refused to make one !! > 	 > >[snip]l) > >Here is one place to start looking at:o > >p3 > >       http://www.ncd.com/products/hardware/ncs/e > >eH > >I would recommend contacting a sales rep and asking questions to them > >as to what is available now.o- > > http://www.ncd.com/products/hardware/ncs/aD > >Let us know if you find anything worthwhile.  At least I would be
 > >curiousJ > >about an update to the X Terminal market.  Mine will eventually die and0 > >need to be replaced with something someday... > : > I second this. I even need to suggest this to myself ;-) >  > just my 0.02 > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888s> > FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"P > "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:05:15 -0300p1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> $ Subject: RE: [VMS V7.2] HELP SpecifyK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE8BE@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>"  A No idea, should it be, should it also be there in 7.1 as it's not   & DEVPL2_Darren1> show system /noprocessL OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node DEVPL2  21-AUG-2000 09:59:08.81  Uptime  28 18:55:47 DEVPL2_Darren1> help specify    $   Sorry, no documentation on SPECIFY   - Darren   > ----------0 > From: 	eplan@kapsch.net[SMTP:eplan@kapsch.net] > Reply To: 	eplan@kapsch.neta( > Sent: 	Sunday, August 20, 2000 9:25 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com# > Subject: 	[VMS V7.2] HELP Specifyt > A > Does anyone know, why "HELP Specify" is not there in VMS V7.2 ?r# > Was is too much work to keep it ?p > Or is this unintended ?  >  > -- s> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888o> > FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"D > "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq,
 > 22-Sep-1998  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andhJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyiL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda-F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2000 15:28:58 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: RE: [VMS V7.2] HELP Specify( Message-ID: <39a12e9a@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE8BE@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:aB >No idea, should it be, should it also be there in 7.1 as it's not >R' >DEVPL2_Darren1> show system /noprocesssM >OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node DEVPL2  21-AUG-2000 09:59:08.81  Uptime  28 18:55:47t >DEVPL2_Darren1> help specifys >n >u% >  Sorry, no documentation on SPECIFYn   $ sh sys/noprocsH OpenVMS V7.1  on node MARS  21-AUG-2000 15:27:13.53  Uptime  20 17:23:17   $ h spec   Specifye  @      This help category contains information on syntax used when@      specifying values for various DCL commands and expressions.    M It seems, change was in V7.1[xxx] to V7.1-2 on Alpha and V7.1 to V7.2 on VAX.g   -- h< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:10:04 +0100g- From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk>i$ Subject: RE: [VMS V7.2] HELP Specify; Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE316456@REAES2>r  E Around VMS V7.1-2 the help message was inexplicably changed from HELPlD SPECIFY to HELP DCL_Tips. I guess its a very slight improvement as aE meaningful name, but not IMHO sufficient of an improvement to justifyhA fixing something that was not broken, disobeying the first law ofwD technical support. I have no idea why it was impossible to duplicateB the dcl_tips help info in a module call SPECIFY and thereby retain full backward compatibility.  C Furthermore, strictly speaking, the new help *is* broken - for any  : newbie trying to find there way around the system.  e.g.     $ help print   [...deleted...] ! Additional information available:  [...] /SINCE  [...]a   PRINT Subtopic? /since PRINTn     /SINCE           /SINCE[=time]i   [...deleted...]   @      For complete information on specifying time values, see theC      OpenVMS User's Manual or the topic SPECIFY Date_Time in onlineo/      help.                              ^^^^^^^t   Press RETURN to continue ... t   PRINT Subtopic? <ret>  Topic? SPECIFY  c" Sorry, no documentation on SPECIFY  + Ptui! This is not what we expect from VMS..t   QED - This is clearly broken.e      -- Cheers, John  F  - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not theI   opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg did E   nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems then D   please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).  w    K ___________________________________________________________________________yB This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of   Sema Group. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this-I email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or n- copying of this email is strictly prohibited.e  E If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group . Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.467 ************************