1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 22 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 468       Contents: Adaptec 2940 SCSI  Re: Adaptec 2940 SCSI  Re: Adaptec 2940 SCSI / AlphaStation 400 4/266 CPU card jumper settings 3 Re: AlphaStation 400 4/266 CPU card jumper settings 9 Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor 9 Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor  backups and excusrion windows . Re: bizarre disappearing mouse pointer problem! Re: CETS2000 working session list ! Re: CETS2000 working session list % Changing Network Address of Printer?? ) Re: Changing Network Address of Printer?? ) Re: Changing Network Address of Printer??  compiling C-program under VMS ! Re: compiling C-program under VMS ! Re: Computer Associates Advise-IT , Re: CRE/TER/DET challenge - hackaround found Re: DCPS and PCL only printers Re: DECnet area routing  Re: DECnet area routing  RE: DECnet area routing  Re: DECnet area routing  Re: DECnet area routing 9 File Maintenance: CONVERT /SORT or /NOSORT on index files = Re: File Maintenance: CONVERT /SORT or /NOSORT on index files = Re: File Maintenance: CONVERT /SORT or /NOSORT on index files  Re: From VMS to NT% getting config info from vms auditing 2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD< Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS systems (was Re: dose vms run on intel)< Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS systems (was Re: dose vms run on intel)< Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS systems (was Re: dose vms run on intel)- Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus)  OpenVMS Newbie Re: OpenVMS Newbie Re: OpenVMS Newbie' Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1) ' Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1) ' Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1) % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system % Re: VMS as real time operating system 9 VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,... = Re: VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,...  Re: VMS on a notebook ? : Warnings in NETBIOS log, Advanced Server V7.2A (Pathworks)( Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:50:00 -0500 - From: "Michael Williams" <mw7301@hotmail.com>  Subject: Adaptec 2940 SCSI, Message-ID: <8nsinq$dri$1@news.chatlink.com>  , Does VMS support the Adaptec 2940 SCSI card?   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Aug 2000 04:42:02 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)  Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 SCSI' Message-ID: <8nt0aq$3fu$1@joe.rice.edu>   , Michael Williams (mw7301@hotmail.com) wrote:. : Does VMS support the Adaptec 2940 SCSI card?    ! It doesn't appear on the VMS SPD:   1   http://www.digital.com/info/SP2501/SP2501HM.HTM 3   Compaq OpenVMS Operating System For Alpha and VAX   > BTW, the SPD still doesn't exclude the ALPHAServer 2100 5/375.  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:40:24 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 SCSI' Message-ID: <39A21248.CFD28014@home.nl>    Michael Williams wrote:  > . > Does VMS support the Adaptec 2940 SCSI card?    H No, but there will be support for newer types of Adaptec SCSI chips (!).F I don't know if this support will be for on-board controllers only, or' that SCSI cards will be supported also.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:50:38 GMT / From: atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky) 8 Subject: AlphaStation 400 4/266 CPU card jumper settings% Message-ID: <FznwoE.D2@world.std.com>   D I haven't been able to find much online documentation describing theI AlphaStation 400 4/266 CPU card.  Specifically, I would like to find some D documentation for the jumper settings and how to enable the failsafeH update floppy boot jumper on this specific card.  I've been able to findC plenty of documentation for the AlphaStation 400 4/233 and its very ; different CPU card, but it hasn't helped me with the 4/266.    Can anyone help? Thanks, Alex --  C Alexander_R_Svirsky_____________________________atlas@world.std.com    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Aug 2000 00:28:08 GMT From: Human<being@world.org>< Subject: Re: AlphaStation 400 4/266 CPU card jumper settings0 Message-ID: <8nsheo$8bi3@imsp212.netvigator.com>  C Where u get the info for Alphastation 400 4/233?  I got one of that . machine and mind you telling me that.  Thanks.   InD comp.os.linux.alpha Alexander R Svirsky <atlas@world.std.com> wrote:F : I haven't been able to find much online documentation describing theK : AlphaStation 400 4/266 CPU card.  Specifically, I would like to find some F : documentation for the jumper settings and how to enable the failsafeJ : update floppy boot jumper on this specific card.  I've been able to findE : plenty of documentation for the AlphaStation 400 4/233 and its very = : different CPU card, but it hasn't helped me with the 4/266.    : Can anyone help? : Thanks, Alex : --  E : Alexander_R_Svirsky_____________________________atlas@world.std.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:31:01 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>B Subject: Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor' Message-ID: <FznnFp.A6z@spcuna.spc.edu>   : In comp.os.vms Alan Frisbie <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote:< > I am just curious how the performance of the ZLXp-E models; > compare with the Elsa Gloria Synerby.   Does anyone know?   J   In a nutshell, the ZLXp's are wonderful and the GLoria sucks. Worse yet,K the DS10 *intentionally* prohibits the ZLXp's from working - if you put one J in there, the system still runs, but there's no video output. You can evenJ bring up VMS and if you log into the serial port or telnet to the box, youK will see a DECwindows login process - but there's no video. But if you shut L the system down and type "arc", all of a sudden the display springs to life.J The firmware manager confirms that this is intentional, but won't say why.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 13:06:54 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)B Subject: Re: AS250 SRM runs, but no graphics on known good monitor! Message-ID: <0dgqAX466b9t@flying>   ( In article <FznnFp.A6z@spcuna.spc.edu>, * Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:  L >   In a nutshell, the ZLXp's are wonderful and the GLoria sucks. Worse yet,M > the DS10 *intentionally* prohibits the ZLXp's from working - if you put one L > in there, the system still runs, but there's no video output. You can evenL > bring up VMS and if you log into the serial port or telnet to the box, youM > will see a DECwindows login process - but there's no video. But if you shut N > the system down and type "arc", all of a sudden the display springs to life.L > The firmware manager confirms that this is intentional, but won't say why.  G That's too bad; I was just thinking of buying a couple of them (DS10's, 	 that is).    --  B --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:18:59 +1200 9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> & Subject: backups and excusrion windows1 Message-ID: <cDjo5.4541$Vb.118605@ozemail.com.au>   1 Has anyone had problems with backups slowing down  their excursion windows?    : To do a backup, we put a disk into a shadow copy, dismount? it, and back it up, and during the night (when our backups run) > we get user complaints that the terminal response in excursion9 is painfully slow, characters taking 10 seconds to appear  after typing them.    = Running v2 of excursion (not upgrading it as upgrading breaks B a feature of an in house programme), ucx4.2 eco4 (not upgrading itD as v5 and nfs didn't go very well to geather, and 7,1 on alpha 1000a cluster.   Antony   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 20:46:39 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: bizarre disappearing mouse pointer problem 6 Message-ID: <8ns4ff$7kf$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  H In article <399DB6AA.722FEA9F@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:I :> I too have experienced this.  You need to reinit the box.  The >>>init H :> command seems to correct this.  I would like to have my boxes performI :> the equivalent of the >>>init whenever they reboot but I have not made I :> much progress.  BTW, I want to >>>init to get the machine in a *known* I :> state when I'm doing driver/execlet development; not so much as I have  :> persistent mouse problems.  : H :There is a setting in the SRM console that will do a Init when you bootE :the system. Can't remember which setting, and since SRM consoles are E :different on every type of machine and SRM version, you will have to ; :check out your specific Alpha to see which setting it is.    K   There are cases where the snarl is sufficiently bad that the only option  K   is the reset button or a power cycle -- I've only seen this occur when a  L   device driver goes nuts.  When certain PCI widgets lock up, they can lock    up "hard".  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:27:20 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> * Subject: Re: CETS2000 working session list- Message-ID: <39A1D6F8.1BD7630E@earthlink.net>    Jeff Killeen wrote:  [snip]  " > The DFW sessions are not in yet.   Will they be soon?  ? I won't be going, but I'd like to know if I'm missing anything.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   H This *IS* comp.os.vms. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:35:37 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>* Subject: Re: CETS2000 working session list3 Message-ID: <8nsldr$4of$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>   K Soon the DFW sessions will be posted.  And if you are not going to be there H that will be interesting since your DCL sessions are being added to that list...      --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc E ===================================================================== B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:39A1D6F8.1BD7630E@earthlink.net...  > Jeff Killeen wrote:  > [snip]$ > > The DFW sessions are not in yet. >  > Will they be soon? > A > I won't be going, but I'd like to know if I'm missing anything.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > J > This *IS* comp.os.vms. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:45:35 -0500  From: dleduc@attglobal.net. Subject: Changing Network Address of Printer??- Message-ID: <39A1B10F.DB7755B1@attglobal.net>   F I've had to do a little system admin on a Compaq Alpha 2100 runing VMSE and there are bunches of things that I don't know how to do and yet I F apparently know more than everyone else using this system so I'm stuck with trying to fix things.  H We have been printing to a network printer and this was setup by someoneF who no longer works with us.  We have now changed the P address of theF printer and need to change it on the Alpha as well so that printing isF once again possible.  We are running TCPware, but I'm not sure if thatG is how we are getting to the printer.  We might be using a LAT, but I'm F not sure.  Can anyone suggest places to look where I might find the IPC address of our printers so that they might be changed?  Any help is  appreciated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:23:59 +1200 9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> 2 Subject: Re: Changing Network Address of Printer??1 Message-ID: <RHjo5.4545$Vb.118562@ozemail.com.au>   F If you are using dcps the printer queue with have the ip number in it.  % Have a look at show/queue printername   ) You might see the printer name look like:     F Printer queue MYPRINTER, busy, on MYNODE::"IP_RAWTCP/10.10.1.11:9100",    J You could then stop the printer queue with a stop/queue myprinter command, then start it again with   C start/queue/autostart=MYNODE::"IP_RAWTCP/10.10.1.12:9100" myprinter   ; and that should start the printer queue on a new ip number.   I You should also check the dcps startup file in sys$startup: (usually) and  make it the same.  	 Any help?    Antony        ' <dleduc@attglobal.net> wrote in message ' news:39A1B10F.DB7755B1@attglobal.net... H > I've had to do a little system admin on a Compaq Alpha 2100 runing VMSG > and there are bunches of things that I don't know how to do and yet I H > apparently know more than everyone else using this system so I'm stuck > with trying to fix things. > J > We have been printing to a network printer and this was setup by someoneH > who no longer works with us.  We have now changed the P address of theH > printer and need to change it on the Alpha as well so that printing isH > once again possible.  We are running TCPware, but I'm not sure if thatI > is how we are getting to the printer.  We might be using a LAT, but I'm H > not sure.  Can anyone suggest places to look where I might find the IPE > address of our printers so that they might be changed?  Any help is  > appreciated. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:13:02 -0500 ) From: Daniel Leduc <dleduc@attglobal.net> 2 Subject: Re: Changing Network Address of Printer??8 Message-ID: <ckr3qsctq9b18cehd7ue2gc32par0tin97@4ax.com>   Antony, F That's exactly what I needed to know and you  were even overwhelminglyF responsive.  About a half hour after I posted I found the dcps file inC my sys$startup directory and fixed it.  I did have a little trouble B stopping the existing queue, but I accomplished that and restartedF with the new IP.  I just signed on tonight to say that I solved my own5 problem and your answer was waiting.  Thanks a bunch.   3 On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:23:59 +1200, "Antony Wardle" * <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> wrote:  G >If you are using dcps the printer queue with have the ip number in it.  > & >Have a look at show/queue printername > * >You might see the printer name look like: >  > G >Printer queue MYPRINTER, busy, on MYNODE::"IP_RAWTCP/10.10.1.11:9100",  >  > K >You could then stop the printer queue with a stop/queue myprinter command,  >then  >start it again with > D >start/queue/autostart=MYNODE::"IP_RAWTCP/10.10.1.12:9100" myprinter > < >and that should start the printer queue on a new ip number. > J >You should also check the dcps startup file in sys$startup: (usually) and >make 
 >it the same.  > 
 >Any help? >   	 Dan Leduc  dleduc@attglobal.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:52:03 +0200 , From: "Martie Ressing" <m.ressing@planet.nl>& Subject: compiling C-program under VMS+ Message-ID: <8nrpu5$b7emh$1@reader3.wxs.nl>    Hello,  G I have a (probably) simple question about compiling/running C-program's I under VMS (I'm new to VMS) on a VAX-Alpha machine (sorry I don't know the 
 versions).L After making a very simple, kind off 'hello world' program, I compiled it as follows:  4 CC /DECC /NOWARNINGS /SHOW=NONE /LIST <program-name>   and linked it:  LINK /EXECUTABLE  <program-name>  I The link-command responded with numerous warnings, here are some of them: I %LINK-W-RECTYP, file SYS$USER:[UINFMRE.EURO]TEST.C;9 record 17 is illegal  (125.)< %LINK-W-NOEOM, no end-of-module record found in module  file SYS$USER:[UINFMRE.EURO]TEST.C;907 %LINK-W-SEQNCE, illegal record sequence in module  filed SYS$USER:[UINFMRE.EURO]TEST.C;90K %LINK-W-EMPTYFILE, no modules found in file SYS$USER:[UINFMRE.EURO]TEST.C;90D %LINK-W-USRTFR, image SYS$USER:[UINFMRE.EURO]TEST.EXE;10 has no user transfer address  	 Question:58 what could cause these errors (especially the last one).D when I run the executable it says: %DCL-E-NOTFR, no transfer address   Thanks,S   Martie Ressing Deventer, The Netherlandsi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:21:53 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>A* Subject: Re: compiling C-program under VMS+ Message-ID: <39A1733B.A59D8E6@videotron.ca>    Martie Ressing wrote:dK > The link-command responded with numerous warnings, here are some of them: K > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file SYS$USER:[UINFMRE.EURO]TEST.C;9 record 17 is illegal  > (125.)   CC testa	 LINK test   
 should do.  ! The above message means that you:RH LINK TEST.C   which results in the linker trying to link the source codeK instead of the object module. The solution is not to use the extension whenn4 you specify the filename (or supply the proper one).  ) CC test = CC test.c  and creates test.objT. LINK test = LINK test.obj and creates test.exe RUN test = RUN test.exeD   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:36:21 -0500t* From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net>* Subject: Re: Computer Associates Advise-IT, Message-ID: <39A1CB05.BCB283C9@usfamily.net>   John Nixon wrote:s > J > (I am not sure what happened, but after sending this before, I could not > findI > it.  I then found it in my SENT folder, but it had gone to VMSNET.ALPHA 4 > instead of comp.os.vms.  I am re-posting it here). > I > I am almost embarassed to ask this, but has anyone else bought Computers > Associates ADVISE-IT1 > "upgrade?" for Poly Center Performance Advisor?  > E > Since we upgraded our Alpha to VMS 7.2-1 we have now exceeded DECPSo > supported versions. I M > am trying to install AdviseIT, but I cannot even figure out how to read the? > documentation off the CDL > from my VMS systems.  The docs are in HTML and PDF format.  They include a > PDF_VIWERrN > exe on the CD, but when I do a DIR/FUL for the file, it says "no such file". > Many other files on the CDJ > do this also.  You can see the files with  a DIR command, but not with a > /FUL.-   John,a  ? Please let me know if you are successful with AdviseIT.  We arel, considering the purchase of same at my site.   Thanks in advance. -- e Keith Browne kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 18:19:14 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: CRE/TER/DET challenge - hackaround foundO6 Message-ID: <8nrrr2$65a$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D In article <8nml9i$bg6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rocoto@my-deja.com writes:F :A while back, I posted a query about setting the icon position from aF :CRE/TER/DETA command...result was no solution found or suggested. I'm4 :still looking for a better answer than this, but...  G   I prefer questions to challenges.  The use of the word "Challenge" --2G   much like the use of a plethora of bangs in a posting (itself riskingtI   a potentially deadly increasing the size of the "bang hole" located in oF   the atmosphere above Madison Avenue and above the various marketing C   companies located world-wide) -- always smells of marketeering...a     As for the question...  3   The DECterm display itself can be positioned via:m  %     CREATE/TERMINAL/WINDOW_ATTRIBUTESd  G   but AFAIK setting the icon position usually involves the creation andiH   subsequent specification of resource files.   (I don't know of a more L   direct means to pass in various resource-line options to CREATE/TERMINAL, ?   akin to what is likely possible with dxterm or similar tool.)e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:32:06 +1200@9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz>2' Subject: Re: DCPS and PCL only printers@1 Message-ID: <tPjo5.4548$Vb.119008@ozemail.com.au>    dir sys$library:*dcps*  0 There is a file called file_extensions_data_type    J In there is a pcl section, just add the file extension of the pcl documentC you want to the pcl section, and like magic, it works. Well that is  what is supposed to happen.m   Antony    3 "Ken Robinson" <ksrobin@erenj.com> wrote in messagee1 news:5.0.0.13.0.20000818090958.009c6410@clmail...pG > I am trying to set up a DCPS V1.7 queue that points to a printer thattK > understands PCL only (HP4si, no Postscript) using rawtcp. It doesn't lookcC > like this can be done, since DCPS wants to print the banner using 
 > Postscript.0 >2 > DCPS V1.7r > OpenVMS VAX 7.1 
 > UCX v5.0 >s( > Any helpful hints will be appreciated. >e > Thanks in advancex > Ken Robinson > ksrobin@erenj.com_ >_ >_ >_   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 18:49:35 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: DECnet area routing6 Message-ID: <8nrtjv$6ha$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  a In article <399ED622.A78F00D5@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes: C :Systems on network A (say area 1) need to be able establish DECnet D :task-to-task connections for data transfer to systems on network B.D :Network A cannot allow any possibility of network connectivity fromA :network B (say area 2).  Can I configure DECnet routing so as to E :provide a route from A->B (area 1 to 2) but not from B->A (area 2 to < :1)?  I think this is a generic DECnet routinq question, not :router-vendor-specific.  #   Try something like the following:   6     RestOfArea1 -- L1A1 -- L2A1 -- L1A2 -- RestOfArea2  G   Stick a level one router into the topology with two DECnet level two nL   routers -- this configuration is expressly prohibited by the requirements J   of DECnet Phase IV level two routing (as all level two routers must haveM   direct connections to all other level two routers), and this configuration  B   will only function (um, incorrectly but as required here) when aK   point-to-point or private Ethernet is used between the level one and the  L   level two router -- in this case, the level two router cannot have a path 0   to any other level two router within its area.  K   This level one router and the outboard level two router will effectively tB   function as a primitive (protocol-level) "routingwall" and will I   (deliberately) mess up the usually transparent inter-area routing, and oM   you will have to connect to the level two router in order to route traffic oI   through to the "inboard" level two router, as it will be the only node  I   that can see and can reach the outboard level two router (in the other nI   DECnet area).  (In effect, this level two router thinks it is the only dL   level two router in the area, though it has a connection to another area.)  K   Set up the passwords and the DECnet objects on the node to permit access gG   (and route-through) only to the desired users.  As for the FAL (File -E   Access Listener) object specifically, please see the the following:   ,     http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/7       srh_examples/DECUS_UNDOC_CLINIC/MISC_LOGICALS.TXT4  J   In addition to what is listed in that document for fal$log, you can alsoJ   add various qualifiers to the fal$log translation, and the qualifier youH   will want to consider in this case is /DISABLE=8 -- this disables PMR I   within FAL, so that unauthorized users cannot use PMR through the node.nJ   (Any file specification received by the FAL object that contains a node I   name will thus be rejected.)  If you want to permit default FAL access, J   well, you can disable the default username and password for FAL (and forN   DECnet itself) and require that a username and password always be specified ,   when routing through the level one router.  J   Using FAL$LOG, you can also enable the display of the filenames that areK   passed into the FAL object, which can sometimes be quite interesting for $   monitoring FAL activity.  H   With the level one router "in the way", the "inboard" level two routerF   cannot establish a link to the rest of the interior of the "inboard"H   network for inter-area routing.  You will want to establish the level J   one router and the outboard level two router in the same DECnet area as M   the "trusted" or "inboard" area of the network, to permit it to be reached.n  L   Having to use PMR via the level one router is the key to getting into the K   "inboard" network from the untrusted (outboard) network.  Some sites willa%   use an additional level one router:s  ?      RestOfArea1 -- L1A1 -- L2A1 -- L1A2 -- L1A2 -- RestOfArea2f  -   to establish a bidirectional "routingwall".y  I   PMR: Poor Man's Routing akin to the manual process of routing used for  K   DECnet Phase III routing.  With PMR, a list of intermediate nodenames is n   specified.  I   Beware: if the level one router or potentially the level two router in dH   your "inboard" DECnet area is compromised, then your internal network 
   is "toast".-  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 18:52:11 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: DECnet area routing6 Message-ID: <8nrtor$6ha$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  l In article <200008192249_MC2-B04E-8D03@compuserve.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes:  7 :What you need is more like a firewall but I have never- :heard of a DECnet firewall.  C   And now you have heard of a DECnet firewall: The old DSG product eE   (DIGITAL SecurityGate) was just such a DECnet firewall.  DSG never  E   sold very well, and was canceled -- most folks want an IP firewall.f  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:13:56 -0500r2 From: "Jung, Randy" <Randy.Jung@CreditUnion.mb.ca>  Subject: RE: DECnet area routing> Message-ID: <41BA1DE44D6FD21199DA0000E8665C048264E2@EXCHANGE1>   Hi,n  I Not sure if it was mentioned but CISCO IOS has access filters that can besL used to permit / deny traffic between DECnet nodes or areas. You could but aJ 2 ethernet port router with the appropriate feature set and set it up as a gateway between the 2 lans.v   Cheers,    Randy Jung p System Architect r! Credit Union Central of Manitoba 3% E-mail: Randy.Jung@creditunion.mb.ca o Phone: (204)985-4750   FAX: (204)943-8386       > -----Original Message-----% > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam ( > [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]' > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:52 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " > Subject: Re: DECnet area routing >  >  > : > In article <200008192249_MC2-B04E-8D03@compuserve.com>, 6 > "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes: > 9 > :What you need is more like a firewall but I have neverp > :heard of a DECnet firewall. > E >   And now you have heard of a DECnet firewall: The old DSG product gG >   (DIGITAL SecurityGate) was just such a DECnet firewall.  DSG never 0G >   sold very well, and was canceled -- most folks want an IP firewall.  > 5 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion b > ---------------------------t4 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering    > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:35:41 +0000n- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>t  Subject: Re: DECnet area routing. Message-ID: <39A1848D.E9AFE14E@fsi.net.mapson>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:i > n > In article <200008192249_MC2-B04E-8D03@compuserve.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes: > 9 > :What you need is more like a firewall but I have never  > :heard of a DECnet firewall. > D >   And now you have heard of a DECnet firewall: The old DSG productF >   (DIGITAL SecurityGate) was just such a DECnet firewall.  DSG never: >   sold very well, and was canceled -- most folks want an   ...AFFORDABLE...   > IP firewall.   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:55:00 -0700.0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>  Subject: Re: DECnet area routing, Message-ID: <39A142C4.27A648DA@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Mark Daniel wrote: > ) >        +------+    +------+    +------+t) >  A/1   |      |    |      |    |      |h) >        +------+    +------+    +------+u& >            |-----------|-----------| >                        | >                     +----+# >                     +----+ routern >                        |+ >      ==================|=================P >                        |& >            |-----------|-----------|) >        +------+    +------+    +------+ ) >  B/2   |      |    |      |    |      | ) >        +------+    +------+    +------+e > D > Systems on network A (say area 1) need to be able establish DECnetE > task-to-task connections for data transfer to systems on network B.nE > Network A cannot allow any possibility of network connectivity fromhB > network B (say area 2).  Can I configure DECnet routing so as toF > provide a route from A->B (area 1 to 2) but not from B->A (area 2 to= > 1)?  I think this is a generic DECnet routinq question, not  > router-vendor-specific.l >   H What you are asking can be implemented if networks A and B are separatedG by Cisco routers (it may be possible using other vendors' routers but IsG am not acquainted with any).  If you'd like to contact me directly (and D you are using Cisco routers) I can probably help you put together an  access list to do what you want.  
 Mark Berrymanf Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:52:57 GMT  From: tlywong@my-deja.com-B Subject: File Maintenance: CONVERT /SORT or /NOSORT on index files) Message-ID: <8ns4qv$agl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>g  ? Hope someone could provide technical information on RMS regular21 maintenance of running CONVERT on RMS Index file.w   Should use /SORT or /NOSORT ?e   Thanks for the inputs.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:35:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> F Subject: Re: File Maintenance: CONVERT /SORT or /NOSORT on index files, Message-ID: <39A1A08F.9EF4FEDA@videotron.ca>   tlywong@my-deja.com wrote: > A > Hope someone could provide technical information on RMS regularn3 > maintenance of running CONVERT on RMS Index file.t >  > Should use /SORT or /NOSORT ?b  N You should also look at CONVERT/RECLAIM which is somewhat of a janitor for the file without recreating it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:02:04 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>F Subject: Re: File Maintenance: CONVERT /SORT or /NOSORT on index files- Message-ID: <39A1D10C.CE904EF6@tsoft-inc.com>1   tlywong@my-deja.com wrote: > A > Hope someone could provide technical information on RMS regularo3 > maintenance of running CONVERT on RMS Index file.( >  > Should use /SORT or /NOSORT ?  >  > Thanks for the inputs. > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.e  O Not sure that is valid.  What are you going to sort?  The data records in a RMSuD indexed file are ordered by the primary key.  Nothing else is valid.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2000 02:01:03 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: From VMS to NTh+ Message-ID: <BfgVGVoMBMqi@eisner.decus.org>g  o In article <39A12630.D6EFD175@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:N  > > Yup but you could not resist flaming the response could you. > : > Please re-read my posts concerning OpenVMS, I have never= > said its a crap OS and I have never raised doubts about itsM > technical ability. n   	That's right.  * > I have questioned peoples blind faith in: > its technical leadership over other OS's and their blind@ > faith in its security if based for example on CERT advisories.    7 	Faith and Reason should not be de-coupled.  We need to,9 	know why we believe and the reasons we believe.  VMS andr 	otherwise ;-).i   > < > I have mostly criticised the mindset of people who seem to= > think that OpenVMS is finished and does not need improving.c >R  9 	Whoa!  Not guilty of that!  In fact, have been guilty ofE; 	pointing to the roadmaps and saying:  "it's coming" whenced< 	I then get soundly thrashed for believing in such roadmaps.> 	Things do shift, etc.  But when we hear things about eXtended= 	File Cache and its greatness those among us are disappointedhB 	because at FRS it doesn't include write-back capabilities.  ThoseA 	of us in the DataCenter with nice controller based writeback aree
 	happiest.  C > One poster summed this up by saying that UNIX is just a subset ofl8 > OpenVMS against a background of people posting OpenVMS; > wish list suggestions many of which either come from UNIXe > or UNIX has allready.- >  	-? 	Emphasis in wrong direction and emphasis is important.  As youm< 	state quoting a poster:  "UNIX is just a subset of OpenVMS"  = 	That is inflammatory and we don't want to inflame as much as>5 	we could.  A kinder gentler way of looking at it is:n   			"VMS is a superset of Unix"  < 	After all, if it incorporates the COE kernel, by default it> 	becomes a Unix even if we don't call it that.  Besides (FLAMEB 	bait alert), it is much easier to mimic Unix.  After all, it only> 	took about 12-15 years for a Unix to get a cluster equivalentF 	to VMS.  So by counter-example, VMS must be hard for the Unix weenies
 	to mimic.     > E > I have also criticised/corrected people who clearly knowing nothingo> > about things like UNIX clustering make erroneous comparisons- > between OpenVMS clusters and UNIX clusters.t >   > 	Yes, and so has Bill Todd.  Someone has to keep us VMS bigots? 	honest.  By the way, since clustering is such a slippery slopesC 	such that Pfister wrote a tome that has made him a chunk of changecA 	in his search for clusters...  what is a cluster?  Whatever Billo? 	Gates decides it is?  After all, Al Gore invented the InternetW> 	and I heard somewhere that Bill Gates invented clustering and> 	actually whispered: "Information Super Auto-Bahn" in Al's ear; 	but Al didn't like the ring of it and the rest is history.r   				Rob@   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:14:42 +1000h. From: "Andrew Blackman" <blackman@au1.ibm.com>. Subject: getting config info from vms auditing. Message-ID: <8nsr14$pno$1@poknews.pok.ibm.com>   Hi,iE     I'm hopping someone can help me, what I'm trying to do is get theT& current audit setting (ALA SHOW AUDIT)K from within a program. I can't find any system calls to help me, no library.& routines, the only usefull information3 I got from the manuals was the config was stored in ; sys$manager:vms$audit_server.dat, but alas no file layouts.   E     So can anyone tell me how to get the info from a program (WITHOUT > shelling out and running SHOW AUDIT) I'd be most appreciative.   cheers,p   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2000 15:57:41 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD + Message-ID: <$RjbjqIzjEgQ@eisner.decus.org>   K In article <39A09CA1.4A71300C@vrx.net>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:d  F > but if you must know, I got the fiche off of ebay, where they can be? > had for as little as $10 per set (PER set!). that's not much.d  G DEC software licenses generally do not allow transfer to a third party.iE While you may have physical possession of some microfiche, I stronglyi; doubt that you have a license by virtue of that possession.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:00:01 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>2; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD5' Message-ID: <39A20914.EDB2D719@vrx.net>y   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  I > DEC software licenses generally do not allow transfer to a third party.sG > While you may have physical possession of some microfiche, I strongly,= > doubt that you have a license by virtue of that possession.a  ' Then you haven't been paying attention.iF I never said I had a license by virtue of the possession of the fiche.; I have a license for the source listings in another format.i= BTW: Compaq also confirms that my mere ownership of the fichec> means I have a legal license. I asked specifically about that.J So as far as Compaq is concerned, I do indeed have a license for the fiche) sets I own, regardless of how I got them.   N and this talk about third-party transfers, does that cover all the stuff givenF away at DECUS events? By your definition, all of those were handed out
 illegally.O and note also, Compaq told me directly that "transfer" of licenses wasn't a bigC deal to them at all.   B.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 04:23:38 GMT02 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>E Subject: Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS systems (was Re: dose vms run on intel)e6 Message-ID: <efno5.322$M62.114068@typhoon.aracnet.com>  + David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:nO > Ok, since neither of you guys will do so, I'll stick my neck out on this one.   $ > The best systems for hobbyist use:  G > A 32 processor wildfire, if money isn't an problem, but for the rest:1  J Heh, heh...  Even as crazy as I am I'm not sure what I'd do with that kind& of horsepower, but it would be fun :^)  N > VAXstation 4000 model 60.  A VLC is rather anemic, and will probably cost asQ > much, and is limited to 24 MB of memory.  The models 90, 90A and 96 are still agO > bit pricy to just not available.  Why the VAXstation 4000?  Built in SCSI andtR > ethernet, can be a server or a workstation, and should have adequate performanceQ > for a hobbyist.  One problem, the memory is non-standard, and I'm not even sureu" > what type of memory is required.  L Well, I think the VLC is better for a starting hobbyist for two reasons, oneI is the size totally rocks :^)  The other is that it uses 4MB 72-pin True yK Parity SIMM's.  If space is an issue you can't beat the VLC, and it's smallu0 enough you can cart it and a laptop on the road.  L OTOH, I'm still waiting for the Model 60 I'm getting specifically to provideL the RAM-less Model 90 with RAM.  As for using the 4000 as a server, I know aK major corporation that's doing just that, and it's sitting a short distance"H from the ES40 racks!  I get a chuckle every time I see it, sort of looksL like something I'd put together for a home server (just not quite as good as7 my home server).  Except for the VLC the ram is spendy.   P > AlphaStation 200/255 systems.  For the same reasons as the model 60 above, and. > these use regular 72 pin SIMM parity memory.  K Good systems.  My home servers are 200 4/233's, one runs OpenBSD though :^(fJ as I can't find a decent firewall/NAT package for hobbyist use.  The otherD has StorageWorks and a Jukebox hooked up to it, and runs OpenVMS :^)  	 			  ZaneD   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 04:25:30 GMTn2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>E Subject: Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS systems (was Re: dose vms run on intel)l6 Message-ID: <_gno5.323$M62.114068@typhoon.aracnet.com>  + Alan Frisbie <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote:u8 > In article <ya%m5.138$M62.52706@typhoon.aracnet.com>, 6 > "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:  K >> For that matter I'm threatening to bring a VAXstation II/RC back on-line  >> just for the fun of it, a  D > I'm typing this right now on my old VAXstation II/RC!   Of course,D > it has had the obligatory backplane transplant (Hi, Charlie!), but3 > this old CPU is still carrying on after 13 years.n  F Well, I've got a spare backplane I'd planed on putting in it, but I'veL decided to just leave the crippled one in place.  Don't really have any needI for the extra slots.  Though I think I will replace the RQDX3 with a ESDIo controller.t   			Zanea   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 04:32:39 GMTr2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>E Subject: Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS systems (was Re: dose vms run on intel)a6 Message-ID: <Hnno5.324$M62.114068@typhoon.aracnet.com>  " Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com wrote:M > Sorry, Dave, those 72-pin parity simms are like Brooke Shields'* buttocks -dM > desireable, but really hard to get hold of. ;-) I had to pay well over $200dJ > to get a pair of 32meg ones recently for my AlphaStation 2000, and sinceH > they're not being made anymore it'll only get worse. The moral of thisL > story is, if there's an Alpha that takes off-the-shelf DIMMs, it's worth a > few hundred dollars more.   K There is a place near me that sells used computers and carries both new andvE used RAM.  I make a habit of stopping in whenever I can and seeing if"F they've got any 72-pin True Parity that I can use to upgrade any of myK systems.  It really helps if you can pick it up used.  Of course those 32MB-. ones are expensive even if you find them used.   				Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:15:40 GMT2/ From: atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky)s6 Subject: Re: More on Son of Aquarius (VAX 9000 Aridus)& Message-ID: <FznxuH.Fy9@world.std.com>    John F Carr (jfc@mit.edu) wrote:B : Sun explicitly prohibits use of its products in nuclear or otherB : safety-critical systems.  Is anyone willing to warranty computerB : hardware for reactor control, life support, etc?  (I worked on aB : medical product that used fairly standard industrial VME and PCI* : components, but it wasn't life support.)  J PDP8s were once a common sight in nuclear power plants.  I understand thatH they were used for non-reactor control purposes such as for weather data. or perhaps controlling the refueling bridge.    J The Yankee Rowe plant in western Massachusetts had kept their PDP8 runningH for several years during their decommissioning.  I was told then that itH was used for weather data collection.  This weather data would have beenG useful to the engineers if any sort of release was necessary.  I do notiJ know the current state of their PDP8 system as their control room has been( completely dismantled since I was there.   -- tC Alexander_R_Svirsky_____________________________atlas@world.std.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:41:17 GMTm+ From: Pascal Dorion <pdorion@latinmail.com>a Subject: OpenVMS Newbiee) Message-ID: <8ns459$9nh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>A   Hi!)  F I recently discoverd OpenVMS thanks to this new operator job I got and LOVE IT!  G I think it's great, half way between mainframe OS and Unix. Anwyays, at F work we have 2 Alpha 4100 running OpenVMS 6.2, one of them has 6.2-1H3G (what the heck is that?). I need OpenVMS links for a newbie, stuff that 1 teach about using and administering a VMS system.i  B Also, I can't seem to grant a right to my user though I can to any; other user. Says my users don't exist... Anyone got a clue?d4 Also how do I know if I have system(root) privilege?   Thanks!t      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.v   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:12:35 GMT- From: r.m@mailandnews.comr Subject: Re: OpenVMS Newbie-/ Message-ID: <39a1a364.251865623@news-2.csn.net>a  / On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:41:17 GMT, Pascal Dorionc <pdorion@latinmail.com> wrote:   >Hi! >-G >I recently discoverd OpenVMS thanks to this new operator job I got anda	 >LOVE IT!a >nH >I think it's great, half way between mainframe OS and Unix. Anwyays, atG >work we have 2 Alpha 4100 running OpenVMS 6.2, one of them has 6.2-1H34H >(what the heck is that?). I need OpenVMS links for a newbie, stuff that2 >teach about using and administering a VMS system.  C You should have the paper manuals, but if for some reason you don'teD there should also be a CD-ROM somewhere with the manuals on them andF if not you can go to this URL for documentation, it basically has what@ is on the CD-ROM:  http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.html  F The manuals you will want to look at first are "Users manual" and "DCLD dictionary".  Typing in Help at the command prompt will get you moreF or less what the DCL dictionary contains, if you type in hints in helpB you will get basic VMS usage tips.  For more advanced stuff have aE look at these manuals "Guide to system security" and "System Managers  Manual".  C >Also, I can't seem to grant a right to my user though I can to any < >other user. Says my users don't exist... Anyone got a clue?5 >Also how do I know if I have system(root) privilege?   F Well, there is more to privileges under VMS than root or not root, butC the closest I guess is having SYSPRV.  You can find what privileges-C you have currently with a SHOW PROCESS/ALL.  You could also look at > your SYSUAF record with AUTHORIZE to see what your default and authorized privileges are.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:10:15 +0000 (   )t3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Newbie J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10008212301420.21944-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ) On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Pascal Dorion wrote:B  H > I recently discoverd OpenVMS thanks to this new operator job I got and
 > LOVE IT!   Good. :)  I > I think it's great, half way between mainframe OS and Unix. Anwyays, atsH > work we have 2 Alpha 4100 running OpenVMS 6.2, one of them has 6.2-1H3I > (what the heck is that?). I need OpenVMS links for a newbie, stuff thaty3 > teach about using and administering a VMS system.e  G 6.2 is a release of the o/s, the -1 is a relatively minor release after I 6.2 -- I can't tell you what is different, though it's likely support for2G some thing or the other, the H3 is a hardware-related update.  ProbablyeJ support for new hardware, again.  There are others who may be able to tell+ you much more specific information on it...t  D > Also, I can't seem to grant a right to my user though I can to any= > other user. Says my users don't exist... Anyone got a clue?r6 > Also how do I know if I have system(root) privilege?  F Your users -- ?  Be more specific please. :)  Which priveleges are youG trying to grant, and to which users?  Users that you've created -- leftj= over from the previous admin, system default users, etc, etc?l  F I don't exactly remember how to tell what privs you have, but i'll betH there is a show priv command.  Look through help and see if you can find something along those lines.  J Also as far as reference, I'll tell you exactly what somebody told me when? I started with VMS (Thanks Hoff. :)  The VMS manuals are reallytH sufficient, and should be your primary documentation.  They're availableH online from compaq's openvms web site if nothing else.  Paper copies are? always useful, though.  The VMS help command is also very good.i  F I have a VMS-to-unix command equivelant text if you'd like it.  It wasG actually designed to help people who were leaving VMS for unix, but has G served several people, including myself who were trying to go the other  way... Let me know on that.    HTH, and regards,e   Chris   O ===============================================================================s@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmera Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.e% -------------------------------------0I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andcH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------j   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 20:12:24 GMT7 From: rickm.nospam@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rick Millhollin)a0 Subject: Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1)+ Message-ID: <8ns2f8$oml$1@pith.uoregon.edu>f  J In article <399657C5.C3A7BA25@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>, Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU  says...e >v >Hi All!J >        How I can set for a parttculary user a password in plain text in 1 >SYSUAF? I can't find anything in AUTHORIZE help.e >l
 >        TIA.  >--  >Regards, Ruslan.oG >+.....................pure personal opinion..........................+pC >    Free & commercial software for ISP -> HTTP://WWW.RadiusVMS.COMd5 >        Cel:+7 (901) 971-3222, Fax:+7 (812) 115-1035   L I don't think you can.  As I understand it, a one-way encryption is used on  SYSUAF passwords.e  < Rick Millhollin, Assistant Director for Computing FacilitiesA University of Oregon, Computing Center, Eugene, Oregon 97403-1212o( Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-4397) E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu - <<<<< Remove digits from e-mail address >>>>>g   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:47:16 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>b0 Subject: Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1), Message-ID: <39A19544.D7D5137B@videotron.ca>  K > >        How I can set for a parttculary user a password in plain text in 3 > >SYSUAF? I can't find anything in AUTHORIZE help.g   $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM
 $MC AUTHORIZEe* AUTHORIZE> MOD username/PASSWORD=chocolate AUTHORIZE> EXITU  F All the help is in the MODIFY command (HELP MODIFY at the UAF> prompt)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:14:25 +0400u4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>0 Subject: Re: UAF & PLAINTEXT PASSWORDS (VMS 7.1)0 Message-ID: <39A1FE21.F0A1933B@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>   Hi !   JF Mezei wrote:r > M > > >        How I can set for a parttculary user a password in plain text ind5 > > >SYSUAF? I can't find anything in AUTHORIZE help.  >  > $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM > $MC AUTHORIZEy, > AUTHORIZE> MOD username/PASSWORD=chocolate > AUTHORIZE> EXIT  > H > All the help is in the MODIFY command (HELP MODIFY at the UAF> prompt) 	Thanks!!!     -- e Regards, Ruslan.F +.....................pure personal opinion..........................+B     Free & commercial software for ISP -> HTTP://WWW.RadiusVMS.COM. 	Cel:+7 (901) 971-3222, Fax:+7 (812) 115-1035
   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 20:43:54 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman). Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system6 Message-ID: <8ns4aa$7kf$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <39A03B11.F16A2641@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  J   I'm aware of a variety of defense-related organizations around the worldJ   that are using OpenVMS for various tasks.  I am also not in a particularJ   position to be discussing most of these (all of these?) here, of course.   J :There is a discussion in a space newsgroup about the shuttle's computers.  @   There was a highly detailed discussion here a while back, too.  M :I am curious. From a "real time systems" point of view, could VMS do the jobaM :of controlling the shuttle, or is it too bloated/general an operating systemt4 :to handle such a task with the required precision ?  K   There is no single definition of "real time system".  Each system has itswK   own timing requirements, and differing systems can have differing resultsiK   and differing requirements on potential data late or on data lost events.(  I   Sometimes you will hear the phrase "hard real-time" or "soft real-time"hJ   applied, but I (personally) prefer to look at the specific requirements.G   Many application systems will also have a selection of requirements, :J   ranging from hard timing requirements that must be handled by dedicated H   processors or controllers or I/O widgets to soft requirements that areH   best handled by general-purpose systems.  (For instance, OpenVMS mightK   download the programs into dedicated controllers, and upload and download'J   data, then monitor and track the activities of the controllers providingK   for statistical predictive monitoring (looking for troubles and "fixing" rL   or "replacing" the problem before the process goes out of specification), H   as well as providing for general application management, logging, and    other non-hard functions.)  K   Like most any other operating system, OpenVMS itself can be configured to1I   (economically) meet the requirements for a variety of applications and eJ   real-time implementations, and there will undoubtedly be other and more I   economical solutions for other real-time environments -- while a zealoteI   or marketeer might well claim otherwise (gosh, is anybody really going nL   to disagree with me after that? :-), I have yet to encounter the computer =   or operating system that is the universal problem solution.:  H :I think it would be great marketing coup if Compaq were to win a bid toH :replace the Shuttle's computer systems with a VMS based tightly coupled
 :cluster.   I   Aerospace system development and deployment just doesn't work that way.m  K   I would expec that NASA would prefer to spend time with a replacement forgK   the shuttle design, with the National Aerospace Plane (NASP), Spaceliner  I   100, or some other reusable launch vehicle (RLV)...  (If y'all are intosJ   this stuff, a prototype project for single-stage to orbit -- AFAIK, not L   specifically run by NASA -- was the Delta Clipper.  The Delta Clipper was J   a very interesting aerospace project and platform, both in terms of the K   project management and the team and the accomplishments, as well as what     the platform could do.)o  J   The computers used in the shuttle are old technology (descended from theG   IBM 360/370 series), and the computers were certainly not the latest r+   technology when the shuttle first flew.     I   Each AP101B (the older ferrite core memory system) or AP101S (the newerhJ   CMOS-based with memory battery backup) system is typically comprised of D   26 processors, the central processor that most folks think of, 24 G   processors for the 24 serial I/O (data) buses, and an I/O scheduling     processor.  I   Then there are the discussions of the replication -- four primaries and L   a "freeze-dried" backup.  The freeze-dried system should be enough to get I   the shuttle home...  The flight control software itself was written by uF   separate organizations, to reduce the potential that any single (andF   otherwise undetected) common fault could disable all flight control N   systems together.  The two flight systems are the Primary Avionics Software M   System (PASS), and the Backup Flight Software (BFS) -- PASS was written by pJ   IBM Federal Systems and runs on four of the five systems, while BFS was J   from Rockwell, Draper Labs, and Intermetics.  (AFAIK, the BFS has never G   been used during a flight -- though I haven't been paying particular s   attention to this.)c  H   The flight system certification and verification processes involved inG   any upgrade would be extensive and expensive, and to what end?  (The oG   AP101B to AP101S upgrade took a few years of effort back circa 1990, SK   and it consumed a couple of million dollars in the process.)  The AP101S hI   in current use clearly works and apparently also meets the current and sL   expected needs of NASA for the shuttle.   While I'd have to see what NASA L   had in mind for any computer system upgrades, but I'd tend to assume that H   a radical departure from the current implementation would be unlikely.  L   I do know that many folks that follow the computer industry are initially H   seemingly highly offended at the age and design of the Shuttle flight L   control systems, and immediately seem to want to replace the systems with J   new (pick your favorite) systems using new (pick your technology) I/O orK   (pick your technology) processors.  All I can say for the current shuttlewJ   avionics design is probably the most important: "it works".  (I've also K   seen folks have the same basic reaction to other existing, old, complex,  I   and large-scale computer systems in the business world, at least until rG   somebody seriously looks at what is really involved in replacing the 3H   system and (more importantly) what the system is really doing and how (   it is really used -- but I digress...)  = :(Obviously, probably VAX based, unless Compaq could built a . :military spec alpha chip ?c  K   Various radiation-hardened systems are available, but the computer itself-K   is a miniscule fraction of what is involved in any flight control system,sI   either on the shuttle, in a ship, in a commercial aircraft, large-scale J   business, or most any other similar implementation.  The integration andJ   testing and contract requirements can be (and often are) extensive.  TheM   prices are correspondingly high, the profits can be contractually regulated L   and (in the case of the shuttle fleet) the vendor will be selling a coupleJ   of dozen of these specialized computer systems -- at most.  (This is an J   area that will often involve "Primes" -- companies and vendors that willK   specialize in the creation of these sorts of specialized solutions, usinga)   and coordinating variety of resources.)d  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:34:19 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system, Message-ID: <39A1A047.D41747F7@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:.J >   The flight system certification and verification processes involved inB >   any upgrade would be extensive and expensive, and to what end?  M The Shuttle is currently undergoing a long term rejuvenation plan. First steprM is the introduction of a glass cockpit (replacing lots of analogue gauges andeJ saving lots of weight) which has been done on Atlantis already. Once it isG rolled out to the other 3, the next step will be to introduce much moresH automation in the cockpit to help pilots deal with difficult situations.  N The glass cockpit was designed to emulate the analogue gauges so the GPCs wereM not changed, they still think they are driving analogue gauges and displayingwM to a green CRT. However, when they go to the next step, they will either have M to rethink the whole central computer software to integrate the fancy FMS andtF automation, or build computers on top of this that continue to provideF emulation of the original analogue gauges and try to add all the fancyI automation without the main computer really knowing anything has changed.e  I So I guess NASA has commissioned that study to see what sort of solutions_N could be envisaged. If they're going to open the pandora's box and rethink theD "system" as a whole, they might as well consider newer technologies.  K Since VMS has a lot of experience and expertise with clustering concepts, ItM just thought it would be interesting *IF* it could do the job. But as someonehK else said, if VMS provides "soft" real time and "hard real time" is what is . really needed, perhaps it isn't really suited.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:16:53 -0400,* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system- Message-ID: <39A1D485.36A1CDC0@tsoft-inc.com>e   "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > L > The shuttle computers are a voting system of 5 IBM mainframes modified forJ > the shuttle.  As far as VMS running as a real-time OS, it can be done byF > reconfiguring the VMS startup/runtime parameters.  Don't ask me whatA > parameters need to be reconfigured, I just know it can be done.g  N I thought there was a post here about SYSGEN parameters, and some work done atL NORAD that may have been surprising to even the VMS engineers.  I'm guessing they couldn't comment on such.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2000 21:54:09 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)B Subject: VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,.... Message-ID: <8ns8e1$hto$1@info.service.rug.nl>  I FINALLY I will be setting up my VMS stuff at home soon (next few weeks). :I The scenario I have followed up until now involved an ISDN router, which oC is quite expensive.  The idea is to get an ISP to give me a few IP aI addresses and enter some names in his DNS.  He doesn't have to care what tI is behind this ISDN router.  My VMS machines don't care if they are on a  G permanent connection, or a virtual permanent connection (i.e. dial-out tG AND dial-in on demand).  The IP addresses will be permanent, I can run t' my own DNS server for my own stuff etc.u  I Unexpectedly, I find myself with a PC not being used for anything else.  ID IIRC, someone mentioned that I could use a Linux box instead of the F ISDN router.  I would intuitively prefer the latter, but now it looks   like the former will be cheaper.  E How easy is this, assuming a "standard" linux installation is up and rG running?  Should I worry about security?  Presumably, a VMS box cannot i do what the linux box does.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:25:51 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>F Subject: Re: VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,...- Message-ID: <39A1D69F.92D45982@tsoft-inc.com>A   Phillip Helbig wrote:o > J > FINALLY I will be setting up my VMS stuff at home soon (next few weeks).J > The scenario I have followed up until now involved an ISDN router, whichD > is quite expensive.  The idea is to get an ISP to give me a few IPJ > addresses and enter some names in his DNS.  He doesn't have to care whatJ > is behind this ISDN router.  My VMS machines don't care if they are on aH > permanent connection, or a virtual permanent connection (i.e. dial-outH > AND dial-in on demand).  The IP addresses will be permanent, I can run) > my own DNS server for my own stuff etc.H > I > Unexpectedly, I find myself with a PC not being used for anything else.hE > IIRC, someone mentioned that I could use a Linux box instead of theiG > ISDN router.  I would intuitively prefer the latter, but now it looks " > like the former will be cheaper. > F > How easy is this, assuming a "standard" linux installation is up andH > running?  Should I worry about security?  Presumably, a VMS box cannot > do what the linux box does.r  O Well, any 'box' could do the job, if the appropriate software was available fors	 that box.t  M It's my experience that dedicated IP addresses cost money, more than a littleoN money.  (Maybe I'm a bit cheaper than others.)  You talk about wanting severalK addresses.  I'm wondering why.  What are you trying to accomplish with thisl set-up?   P Should you only want to provide internet access to all your systems, this can beG done minimally without any dedicated addresses.  There are times when aTL dedicated IP address is helpful or necessary, as when it's used for securityN purposes, to guarantee it's really you, when you claim it's you.  However, forM you in-house network, there's a capability called Network Address TranslationlP (NAT), that will allow you to access the internet through a device that providesP NAT, and it will keep track of all traffic, and route it appropriately in-house,J while using one IP address when communicating with the outside.  I may notM explain it well, but it does work fairly well.  Several of these devices haver& been mentioned here (COV) in the past.  H There are many ways to an end, but if what you want to do fits the aboveO description, then you should explore this fairly inexpensive method for outsidee access.    Dave   -- 84 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:17:48 GMT:% From: hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net>o  Subject: Re: VMS on a notebook ?/ Message-ID: <39A1BA98.3FB4028@bellatlantic.net>-  " fantastic, I will give that a try!3 I am just waiting to twist a few minds with that !!i bobS     Peter Weaver wrote:e > @ > hg/jb wrote in message <399D66BD.73F5A506@bellatlantic.net>... > >Thanks Peter,H > >how did you get the image of vms hobbyist disk built into the system?9 > >I am running an amd cpu, nt, charon, and when I try tos > >boot dua1, I get a failure. > >message is: > >boot-f-Unknown processor  > >> > >?-06 halt instM > >pc 000050c7 > E > I cheated by building the disks on my desktop and then transferringsA > them to the laptop. My desktop has the room to run the CD2IMAGEsH > program so I could install VMS, Fortran, BASIC and a few other things.F > I haven't tried the latest version yet that will let you access yourG > CDROM directly, but that would make it easier to install on my laptop  > with limited disk space. > G > Send the error you get to the Charon-VAX people, they have been quick01 > to respond to all of the bugs I have sent them.@   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Aug 2000 00:52:02 GMTO From: ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess, University of Queensland)tC Subject: Warnings in NETBIOS log, Advanced Server V7.2A (Pathworks)t. Message-ID: <8nsiri$kvs$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>  ( Compaq Advanced Server V7.2A for OpenVMS  G This warning is coming continuously (on one node of a pair of servers):   + $ TYPE NETBIOS$LOG_FILES:NETBIOS_'node'.LOG-  D %NB-I-STARTED, NetBIOS successful startup at 21-AUG-2000 03:38:30.31L %NB-W-ERRSIGNAL, exceptional conditional detected at 21-AUG-2000 03:38:40.21K -NB-W-ETHERESTART, port shutdown and restarted, messages may have been lostFL %NB-W-ERRSIGNAL, exceptional conditional detected at 21-AUG-2000 03:38:42.45K -NB-W-ETHERESTART, port shutdown and restarted, messages may have been lost L %NB-W-ERRSIGNAL, exceptional conditional detected at 21-AUG-2000 03:38:44.68 .c .o" ... and so on every few seconds...  , The log file grows to 11500 blocks in a day.  . Creating a null log file and restarting, i.e.,&  @SYS$STARTUP:PWRK$STARTUP.COM RESTART does not help.  O I have seen this problem before, (in earlier versions too) but it usually stopsuM if Pathworks is restarted.  However this time it started when the cluster was-H rebooted; and it's been over a week with Pathworks restarts every night.  $ The ethernet device shows no errors. LANCP> sho dev EWB0 /count   Device Counters EWB0:k                    Value  Counter                    -----  -------1                  728714 Seconds since last zeroed>&              2663484960 Bytes received"             15325132493 Bytes sent(                27739071 Packets received$                24398848 Packets sent0               552339225 Multicast bytes received,                42797410 Multicast bytes sent2                 6695260 Multicast packets received.                  403507 Multicast packets sent@                       3 Unrecognized unicast destination packetsB                  974787 Unrecognized multicast destination packets3                     272 Unavailable station buffersg0                      13 Unavailable user buffers(                       0 Alignment errors*                       0 Frame check errors)                       0 Frame size errorse+                       0 Frame status errorsn+                       0 Frame length errorst-                       0 Frame too long errorsi%                       0 Data overruns"/                       0 Send data length errorsr2                       0 Receive data length errors0                       0 Transmit underrun errors)                       0 Transmit failuresr.                       0 Carrier check failures(                       0 Station failures7                       0 Initially deferred packets sent-5                       0 Single collision packets sento7                       0 Multiple collision packets sentd,                       0 Excessive collisions'                       0 Late collisions 7                       0 Collision detect check failuresb LANCP>   Cheers,         Ian nG -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- G Ian Burgess                                     I.Burgess@its.uq.edu.auoG Information Technology Services                 Phone:   61 7 336 54074e Prentice Building # The University of Queensland       r BRISBANE AUSTRALIA 4072p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:25:42 -0500e0 From: Patrick Spinler <Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU>1 Subject: Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?r' Message-ID: <39A18236.47790C6@Mayo.EDU>i   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > F > AFAIK, RMS support outside of VMS is still a commercial product. Has > THIS changed?e    Snips from the linux-decnet FAQ 5 (http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/faq-single.html)C  0 > 2.3 Can I access RMS indexed files from Linux? > H > The normal Linux commands can't handle RMS indexed files. Unix has no J > real concept of them. If you use the dn* programs then they will simply  > read the files sequentially. n > R > You can write programs to access indexed files though, using librms (see later)   A librms is part of the 'dnprogs' package provided by linux-decnet.L  , And here's a snippet from the librms.README:  D > librms is work-in-progress at the moment but the aim is to provideD > good (whatever that means) and easy access (whatever *that* means)* > to RMS files on VMS machines from Linux.  F > The API is a hybrid of the RAB/FAB SYS$OPEN/SYS$GET interface of RMSD > itself and the open/read/write interface of Unix. In all cases the> > FAB or FAB arguments to the functions below are optional forA > straightforward sequential access but some basic use of RABs(ate8 > least) will be necessary to read/update indexed files.  C > The rms_* functions are accessed by an opaque structure RMSHANDLE D > returned by rms_open. All the functions, apart from rms_open, take? > this structure as their first argument. You should not assumekD > anything about the value of this structure or its content as I may > well change it in future.   D > rabdef.h and fabdef.h have been provided unmodified from the GNU C; > distribution for VMS and are installed into /usr/include.d     -- Pat   --  ?       This message does not represent the policies or positionst1 	      of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidaries.o3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU '   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.468 ************************