1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 25 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 474       Contents: Re: ??== DCPS 1.8 available. Re: ??== DCPS 1.8 available.% Re: ??==DCPS 1.8 and HP 4050 printer. % Re: ??==DCPS 1.8 and HP 4050 printer. ! Re: backups and excusrion windows ! Re: backups and excusrion windows ! Re: backups and excusrion windows  Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale carl lydick  Re: carl lydick ! Re: CETS2000 working session list 8 Re: Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS system8 Re: Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS system3 Compaq Marketing: Agressively making new "inroads"? 7 Re: Compaq Marketing: Agressively making new "inroads"? 7 Re: Compaq Marketing: Agressively making new "inroads"? 7 Re: Compaq Marketing: Agressively making new "inroads"?  Re: DCPS and PCL only printers2 Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)3 DCPS Wish List (was Re: DCPS and PCL only printers) $ Re: DEC Printserver 17 Configuration Re: DECNet Phase IV Manuals ?   Re: Eexpanding VMS user's buffer Re: Error status from VMSTar= Re: File Maintenance: CONVERT /SORT or /NOSORT on index files 6 HELP: How to make FTP service auto-start upon boot-up?: Re: HELP: How to make FTP service auto-start upon boot-up?2 RE: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD Re: Hmmmm a strange question Re: image backup timimgs7 Re: In case you havent seen the news on the Compaq site 7 Re: In case you havent seen the news on the Compaq site 7 Re: Installing a network adapter on an Alpha 1000 4/233 7 Re: Installing a network adapter on an Alpha 1000 4/233  Is there any new Alpha CPU out? G It is truly unbelievable. In a weeks time I have 90 prospects..........  Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M48 Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M48 Re: max disk size on VMS 5.5-2 Re: max disk size on VMS 5.5-2! Re: Memo:  Re:DECnet area routing ! Re: Memo:  Re:DECnet area routing * Re: OpenVMS / Alpha Web Server - Frontpage* Re: OpenVMS / Alpha Web Server - Frontpage RE: printer queue problems* RE: Queue always prints extra page (fixed) Renaming SYS$NODE_nodename Re: Renaming SYS$NODE_nodename Re: Renaming SYS$NODE_nodename Re: Renaming SYS$NODE_nodename' Re: Supressing Commands from a COM File  Re: ucx cli-e-nocmdproc  Re: ucx cli-e-nocmdproc  Urgent Messsage, Please Read!  Re: VMS 7.2 can't see a cd VMS 7.2 can't see a cd= Re: VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,... , Re: What is meaning of BACKUP error message?( Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?( Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?# Re: X display video capture for VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:06:06 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>% Subject: Re: ??== DCPS 1.8 available. C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-8998A9.17060624082000@news.compaq.com>   4 In article <uX+DsI2j$2VG@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, E Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX:   926-3515) wrote:  < > OK, I just found the SPD and see that, besides GENICOM an C > Digital/Compaq printers, a variety of HP LaserJets and Tektronix  C > Phaser printers are supported. Xerox doesn't appear in the list.  4 > Given my experience (see above), I'd avoid them...  I If anyone has suggestions for printers to add to the DCPS-supported list  / for the next version, please send them to me at       paul.r.anderson@compaq.com    Paul   --  "    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering,    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:03:05 -0400 $ From: "Ray T." <lists@aik.tec.sc.us>% Subject: Re: ??== DCPS 1.8 available. - Message-ID: <39A5D3D9.5CDF76D6@aik.tec.sc.us>    "Hans M. Aus" wrote: > R > Is DCPS 1.8 available yet and where can I find a list of the supported printers? >  > --D > Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de  8 My consolidated distribution just arrived with DCPS 1.8.   Ray    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Aug 2000 14:00:49 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515). Subject: Re: ??==DCPS 1.8 and HP 4050 printer.3 Message-ID: <RCNdy+DqvbK$@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   M In article <rdeininger-2308002155010001@user-2ive7lp.dialup.mindspring.com>,  9     	rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: 6 > In article <yxKz+En9iSgq@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Z     	Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote: > K >>     This  method  works  very   nicely,   but   please  note  that  such K >>     "customizations" to your DCPS setup must be re-implemented with each K >>     new  release of DCPS, at least until such time as DCPS supports  the G >>     printer "natively" and you can do away with your customizations.  > J > Why must it be re-customized?  This has been mentioned a couple of timesH > lately, but I don't understand.  You have put your custom modules intoG > your own device control library.  DCPS won't replace that.  It should E > just work after a DCPS upgrade, unless they completely change their G > conventions for unrecognized printers.  At least for recent versions, < > DCPS has looked for the same module names in each version.  H         Let's see, the  context  of  my  remarks  above  is  that I haveH     _modified_  the _DCPS_ _modules_ themselves.  However, the  contentsH     of those DCPS modules (prior to  modification)  has  been  known  toH     change  from release to release.  Sometimes the changes are small toH     trivial, but at other times the changes have been quite substantial,H     such  as  using  different  variable  names,  etc.   I  believe PaulH     Anderson  said  this  is  because  the modules  are  produced  by  aH     "compiler" or "preprocessor" of sorts;  the  engineers  don't  writeH     Postscript  directly,  they  write  in  some  sort  HLL.   When thatH     compiler or preprocessor is changed,  all  the  text modules need toH     change  together (as well as the symbiont I presume).  A  (modified)H     module from an earlier release just won't work  correctly  with  theH     rest  of the modules from a newer (or older) release.  I saw this inH     going from DCPS V1.5 to V1.6, IIRC.   The changes going from V1.7 toH     V1.8  (for  those  modules  I modify) are much  smaller,  but  still     present.  B > Same convention, same module name, same library, same customizedG > module, and same printer.  So what if a newer version of the symbiont A > sends the same data to the same printer?  What's to break?  I'm  > confused.   H         I believe  you  have  some  misconceptions  when  you  say "sameH     convention"  (not  sure what you mean by that) and "same  customizedH     module".  It is this last one that will bite you:  the  contents  ofH     the  module  (prior  to  customizations)  has  changed.  That's what
     "breaks".   H         OTOH, if you've created your  _own_ Postscript modules that workH     in  conjunction with the DCPS modules, not replace them, then  there&     probably wouldn't be any problems.  )         Hope this clears things up a bit.                -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:07:37 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger). Subject: Re: ??==DCPS 1.8 and HP 4050 printer.L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2508000107370001@user-2iveb18.dialup.mindspring.com>   In article <RCNdy+DqvbK$@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote:     J >         I believe  you  have  some  misconceptions  when  you  say "sameJ >     convention"  (not  sure what you mean by that) and "same  customizedJ >     module".  It is this last one that will bite you:  the  contents  ofJ >     the  module  (prior  to  customizations)  has  changed.  That's what >     "breaks".   + >         Hope this clears things up a bit.   	 A bit :-)   1 The only module I have looked at in any detail is G LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_SETINPUTTRAY.  Maybe this one is not typical.  Unless E I missed something, it has not changed in recent versions.  And it is J intended to be tweeked by the system manager in a sort of plug-in fashion.@ The symbiont recognizes a list of keywords whose behavior can beG "programmed" via this module.  The interaction between the symbiont and H this module is a "convention" that I don't expect to change from versionG to version, except to add more keywords occasionally.  No, they haven't G promised this, but it appears reasonable.  (Now that I said it, they'll H probably end up changing this module every version from here on out. :-)  H I seem to recall that you extracted modules for one specific printer andG tweeked them for a different printer.  Now that you whapped me over the H head with it, I guess those modules are more likely to change each time.  F I guess I was lucky.  Except for tray selection, all the DCPS featuresE just worked with the Tek Phaser 850, so I didn't have to even look at  the Phaser 780 modules.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:35:52 +1200 7 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@no-spam.met.co.nz> * Subject: Re: backups and excusrion windows0 Message-ID: <weip5.758$cr3.26102@ozemail.com.au>  7 "System grinding to a halt then crashing after 6 hours.   7 We put an engineering patch on, and it started crashing  every two hours,  1 reverted back to  4.2 and has been ok since then.    Antony   > G > What NFS problems do you see. We use NFS with 5.0A seemingly reliably " > although it is not heavilu used. >  > 	 > >Antony  > >  > >  >  > -- > Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:41:49 +1200 9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> * Subject: Re: backups and excusrion windows0 Message-ID: <4Tlp5.852$cr3.29132@ozemail.com.au>  ! Backups are run as a backup user.      In its login.com is the line:   K $SET RMS/DISK/INDEX/MAG/REL/SEQ/UNIT/BLOCK=64/BUF=64/PROL=3/NET=64/ext=1000    What does this mean?   and auth shows  + Any suggestions? Anyonesee anything unusual     9 Username: BACKUP                           Owner:  MANAGE J Account:  MANAGE                           UIC:    [2,5] ([MANAGE,BACKUP])< CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES Default:  MANAGE:[BACKUP]  LGICMD:   LOGIN  Flags:  LockPwd DisMail GenPwd# Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri + Secondary days:                     Sat Sun F Primary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222F Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123F Network:  ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######F Batch:    ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######F Local:    ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######F Dialup:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Remote:   ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######D Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     2> Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:  19-JUN-1995 09:50> Last Login: 16-MAR-1994 08:22 (interactive), 25-AUG-2000 02:10 (non-interactive) 9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:      1365  Bytlm:       357630 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:      1365  JTquota:       4096 9 Prclm:           6  DIOlm:      4096  WSdef:         3000 9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:      4096  WSquo:        20000 9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        80  WSextent:    100000 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2000  Pgflquo:     150000  Authorized Privileges:H   ALTPRI       BYPASS       CMKRNL       EXQUOTA      LOG_IO       MOUNTI   NETMBX       OPER         PHY_IO       READALL      SYSLCK       SYSNAM "   SYSPRV       TMPMBX       VOLPRO Default Privileges: G   BYPASS       CMKRNL       EXQUOTA      MOUNT        NETMBX       OPER I   READALL      SYSLCK       SYSNAM       SYSPRV       TMPMBX       VOLPRO = Identifier                         Value           Attributes ;   ARCHIVE                          %X8001007A      RESOURCE ;   OPS_SECTION_SCRATCH              %X800100A3      RESOURCE ;   OPS_LOG                          %X800101B7      RESOURCE -   OPS_READ                         %X80010222   /                     Maintenance of Identifiers. G  It is important that if you added a new identifier that it be added to I  the rightslist on our other cluster WITH THE SAME VALUE. Please do this.    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 2000 00:36 -0400  From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m* Subject: Re: backups and excusrion windows& Message-ID: <25AUG200000364552@miasys>  n In article <4Tlp5.852$cr3.29132@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> writes... > " >Backups are run as a backup user. >  >In its login.com is the line: > L >$SET RMS/DISK/INDEX/MAG/REL/SEQ/UNIT/BLOCK=64/BUF=64/PROL=3/NET=64/ext=1000 >  >What does this mean?   K This changes the RMS defaults from is normal (overly conservative) 16 block M buffer to a possibly more reasonable 64 block. However, this will effectivly  M disable the VIOC (max buffersize = 35 ). Also, while the default of 2 buffers O for sequential and a handfull for indexed is again overly conservative, blindly D using 64 buffers seems excessive and is not likely to help anything.B I'd start with 20 - 50 buffers for indexed, 4 - 10 for sequential.  A You can verify the effect with $SHOW RMS. Your setting will show:   
 $ show rmsM           MULTI-  |                MULTIBUFFER COUNTS               | NETWORK L           BLOCK   | Indexed  Relative            Sequential         |  BLOCKL           COUNT   |                     Disk   Magtape  Unit Record |  COUNTJ Process    64     |   64        64       64      64        64       |   64J System     16     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    8  #           Prolog    Extend Quantity  Process     3           1000 System      0              0   hth, 	Hein.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:39:56 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale * Message-ID: <39A5881B.F7599D06@uk.sun.com>  9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:   , > In article <39A404C7.F886C5A2@uk.sun.com>,J >     Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > C > While I'd love to let Jim respond to this, it's possible he feels  >     constrained: > @ > > You appear to be an OpenVMS advocate, I say this because youA > > have fallen into the classic trap that most OpenVMS advocates A > > fall into of assuming that because OpenVMS does something one @ > > way that there is no other way of acheiving the same effect. > J >         You appear  to  have  fallen  into  Jim's  trap.   You  see, JimJ >     oversees  E-Trade's  VMS  systems (in the Bay Area at  least),  rubsJ >     shoulders daily with the E-Trade's unix admins,  and  is  privvy  toJ >     _exactly_  what  the  VMS  and  Sun  machines  do, and don't do, forJ >     E-Trade.  I am totaly sure he  is privvy to precise availability andJ >     performance  numbers  for those systems as well as the  numbers  and$ >     tasks filled by those systems. > J >         While Jim practise VMS advocacy as an _avocation_, the points heJ >     made in his post  are  based on professional, first-hand experience.J >     They can't be brushed aside by _attempting_ to paint him as _merely_J >     an "advocate", i.e., an unreliable VMS booster.  He knows whereof he >     speaks...  >   > So how is it that his post makes it appear that he thinks that= the only real solution that can provide highly available apps : is one based on an OpenVMS cluster.  The approach of usingA an applications server like WebLogic or IAS may not be a platformt< based approach like OpenVMS but it provides highly available
 applications.1  @ If he does not believe that OpenVMS is the only solution  then I8 apologise for suggesting that he is an OpenVMS advocate.  @ If he does work on the E-trade site then he of all people shouldE be aware that neither the applications server solution for HA nor theS@ OpenVMS cluster solution for providing highly available servicesC is entirely foolproof. It was after all e*Trade who lost an OpenVMSm cluster.  E In fact thinking about it I apologise given his background in e*Trades> he cannot be advocating that OpenVMS is the only real solution for HA.w   Regards  Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:49:08 +0100eB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Salee* Message-ID: <39A58A44.11653125@uk.sun.com>   "D.Webb" wrote:a  q > In article <39A404C7.F886C5A2@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:n > >jgessling@yahoo.com wrote:o  M > This is not something for sysadmins to use it is specifically for diagnosis N > by Sun engineers. When the problem has been diagnosed a normal patch will beK > provided which will need to be applied in the normal manner (eg rebooting  > the system).- > The re-vectoring does not survive a reboot.  >   G But it does not have to, re-vectoring is done to the running image, theeE image on disk can be patched prior to the re-boot with the patch used0G for re-vectoring. The rebooted system will now be using the patched OS.e   >yQ > Hence this is not normal patching to fix a problem but a procedure which can be.M > used by Sun engineers to try out fixes without rebooting a system. Once the 7 > correct fix is identified normal patching is applied.2  F See above, there is nothing to stop you running the system for as longD as you like with the fixes applied but when you reboot you will thenH pick up a patched OS as well. Of course you make decide not to implimentG the fix in which case you don't patch the OS on disk and you don't thene, pick the fix up next time you do the reboot.   >N >_N > This is very different from what you have been implying in your posts on theO > subject ie All patches being able to be applied without rebooting the system.d >M  
 See above.   Regards  Andrew Harrison, Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:00:00 +0100nB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer SaleM* Message-ID: <39A59AE0.BF0E7CC7@uk.sun.com>   jgessling@yahoo.com wrote:  5 > In article <KscEPyZpN0QY@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>,AH >   Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: > 926-3515) wrote:. > > In article <39A404C7.F886C5A2@uk.sun.com>,D > >     Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>	 > writes:f > >DE > > While I'd love to let Jim respond to this, it's possible he feels  > >     constrained: > >e > Ken, >dG > I, like Andrew am an architect.  As such I choose the best design forTI > the job.  For the web front end, that's Sun cause the netscape stuff issF > there.  For the backend, that's VMS cause that's where the data (and& > the protection for the business is). >DF > I think the difference is this.  Would you choose availability (e.g.F > clustering type features) in your OS or at the application level?  II > would much rather run a VMS cluster than pay Resonate (for example) for-F > cluster features, and Netscape for Kiva load balancing (that doesn'tC > work) and on and on.  But the reality is the web (and applicationsG > server) stuff come first and often only on sun.  They make up for the I > lack of reliability features by doing it at the application level.  WaytI > wrong from my point of view, because it's not transparent.  Reliabilityr4 > belongs as low on the software stack as it can be.  @ Hang on, in order to provide continuous availability to data and> applications in an OpenVMS cluster the application has to have@ been modified to make use of the cluster facilites. This is mythA numero uno the one which says that there is never any requirementtC to code an application to use the services provided by the cluster.d  C Where do you stop, if the application has to be modified to make itg9 re-startable or what ever else you may require to make itr< highly available in an OpenVMS cluster then you are allreadyA on the slippery slope to applications providing the functionalityr7 of a cluster without requiring cluster services at all.   = There is almost no difference between this and something likeh@ Oracle Parallel server running on a Solaris Cluster, the cluster? provides some of the facilites and the app provides the rest as  they do on OpenVMS.o  ? Would you for axample say that Oracle parallel server on a UNIXaD cluster does not provide the same kind of highly available access to' data as RDB does on an OpenVMS cluster.o  I > I read today where the Intel guy was saying that "horizontal" is a muchSD > stronger business model than "vertical" and referred to Sun as theG > vertical.  Meaning going from sand to silicon to hardware to software G > to systems.  This vertical model can easily be toppled by such things 8 > as NT or Linux that offer that same thing for cheaper. >   F Well this would be interesting if it was true but take the NT example,= sure NT is cheap compared with OpenVMS but its very expensiveeC compared with Solaris which is free (well 75 dollars for the media)rB on Intel boxes with up to 8 CPU's try buying the Datacenter server version of NT for that much.  E Sure Intel boxes are cheaper than Sun's, though not that much cheaper E if you buy a Compaq or a Dell, build your own or go for the 2and tiers$ vendor and they may be much cheaper.  C So NT costs more to buy and the Intel boxes cost less but the wholeWF combination cost more to own and deploy. Meta group recently publishedB a TCO study for the actual devt/test/deploy/own costs for UNIX andE NT ERP systems, they compared the same applications on both platformsoC and they found that the NT based ERP systems from the same softwarer@ vendors cost over 2x the costs of the UNIX based systems for theF total lifecycle cost of the project. On that basis NT still has a long long way to go.e  F As for Linux well Linux is interesting, its small it does not use thatA much resource, its quicker than NT and it is more stable than NT. A But NT is its design point, it scales to 2-4 CPU's so does NT etcr etc etc.  > Now what would happen to Linux if it had a grownup filesystem,A a fully threaded kernel with thread pre-emption so that it scaled B well to more CPU's and supported soft real time. What would happenD to it if it had fully threaded sockets implimentation/network stack.  @ The answer is of course that when Linux gets all of those things= it will have the capability of most current commercial UNIX'siC but it will almost certainly do it at the expense of the smallness,r= the simplicity of management the speed of some operations and.C many of the other attributes that make it attractive at the moment.-  C Of course in the mean time NT its major competitor will have almostaC certainly had another 10 or so million lines of code added to it so4B as a competitor to NT Linux will still look attractive. Whether it? will look so attractive when compared with one of the surviving-" Commercial UNIX's is less certain.  C Finally being cynical it is hadly suprising that the Intel guy said-C that horizontal is a strong model while vertical is not, horizontalnD is after all their model and he is hardly likely to stand up and say< sorry we got it wrong we chose the wrong model and really we should be like Sun.    Regards< Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architectr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:38:48 -0700w! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comu! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale C Message-ID: <OF7D6CBD6E.BA1F1276-ON88256945.007C6187@HEALTHNET.COM>a  + Not the /only/ solution. Just the best one.s   Shane           J Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 08/24/2000 01:39:56 PMd   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   " Subject:  Re: Big AlphaServer Sale    9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:e  , > In article <39A404C7.F886C5A2@uk.sun.com>,J >     Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >eC > While I'd love to let Jim respond to this, it's possible he feelsg >     constrained: > @ > > You appear to be an OpenVMS advocate, I say this because youA > > have fallen into the classic trap that most OpenVMS advocateseA > > fall into of assuming that because OpenVMS does something oneo@ > > way that there is no other way of acheiving the same effect. >nJ >         You appear  to  have  fallen  into  Jim's  trap.   You  see, JimJ >     oversees  E-Trade's  VMS  systems (in the Bay Area at  least),  rubsJ >     shoulders daily with the E-Trade's unix admins,  and  is  privvy  toJ >     _exactly_  what  the  VMS  and  Sun  machines  do, and don't do, forJ >     E-Trade.  I am totaly sure he  is privvy to precise availability andJ >     performance  numbers  for those systems as well as the  numbers  and$ >     tasks filled by those systems. >PJ >         While Jim practise VMS advocacy as an _avocation_, the points heJ >     made in his post  are  based on professional, first-hand experience.J >     They can't be brushed aside by _attempting_ to paint him as _merely_J >     an "advocate", i.e., an unreliable VMS booster.  He knows whereof he >     speaks...5 >8  > So how is it that his post makes it appear that he thinks that= the only real solution that can provide highly available appss: is one based on an OpenVMS cluster.  The approach of usingA an applications server like WebLogic or IAS may not be a platformo< based approach like OpenVMS but it provides highly available
 applications.i  @ If he does not believe that OpenVMS is the only solution  then I8 apologise for suggesting that he is an OpenVMS advocate.  @ If he does work on the E-trade site then he of all people shouldE be aware that neither the applications server solution for HA nor the8@ OpenVMS cluster solution for providing highly available servicesC is entirely foolproof. It was after all e*Trade who lost an OpenVMSE cluster.  E In fact thinking about it I apologise given his background in e*Trades> he cannot be advocating that OpenVMS is the only real solution for HA.P   Regards  Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT ArchitectA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:13:55 -0500C; From: barbara trumpinski-roberts <kittent@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>A Subject: carl lydickK Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10008242012320.29857-100000@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu>r  E i don't know from vax.vms but i just thought i would come in here and1G remind you guys that carl 'speaker-to-minerals' lydick died 4 years ago5
 yesterday.  ( so raise a glass and toast his memory...   hugs,l   kitten  8 /\ /\   'ah, but you don't have to know everything.  you9 {=.=}   just have to know where to find it.' john brunner:B   ~     kittent@uiuc.edu             _shockwave rider_            7         http://members.tripod.com/~barbarakitten smotu e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:28:04 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: carl lydick- Message-ID: <39A5D9B4.300A9931@earthlink.net>9  ! barbara trumpinski-roberts wrote:2 > G > i don't know from vax.vms but i just thought i would come in here andiI > remind you guys that carl 'speaker-to-minerals' lydick died 4 years ago  > yesterday. > * > so raise a glass and toast his memory...   For what it may be worth...   H Howard Hughes was thought of as a Financial Giant. In his personal life,E however, he was a social midget (to paraphrase Anthony Robbins) - notS! unlike the late Carl, apparently.n   -- l David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   H This *IS* comp.os.vms. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:17:51 -0400u7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com>R* Subject: Re: CETS2000 working session list2 Message-ID: <8o4aeo$v60$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>   In more detail...   @ http://www.compaq.com/events/cets2000/download/ContentUpdate.pdf     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.ccsE =====================================================================d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:08:29 GMT ( From: cschofie@nospam.home.com (Chris S)A Subject: Re: Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS systemc- Message-ID: <39a5f181.344341206@192.168.0.10>D  F We have multinet.  Using the info below, I was able to set the gatewayB with some additional help from online help on the exact syntax for
 multinet.   D The only question I have is - how do I make such a change permanent,D in multinet?  I did not see any '/permanent' switches.  Do I need to' modify some startup file, or similar?  c  1 Thanks a lot- your information was very useful!  v  @ On 14 Aug 2000 01:09:28 GMT, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote:  * >Chris S (cschofie@nospam.home.com) wrote:G >: We have an almost entirely-NT environment at work, with just one olddG >: VMS system limping along.  We recently changed the company's defaultbI >: gateway (tcp/ip settings) from x.x.x.247 to x.x.x.50.  I have made the2F >: change to all the NT machines using the standard GUI interface, and >: all is working well.  r >:I >: however, I have not made the change to the VMS box, and I don't have aFI >: clue how to do this.  Is there a command I can issue to 'see' what all F >: the current settings are, then a command to change only the default
 >: gateway?  g >eH >There are at least three TCP/IP stacks that could be running on the VMSI >system. Try the following commands and post back which stack is running, - >along with the version of the stack and VMS:  >e< >  $ UCX SHOW VERSION      ! UCX aka Digital TCP/IP Services > 8 >  $ MULTINET SHOW/VERSION ! Process Software's Multinet >a7 >  $ NETCU SHOW VERSION    ! Process Software's TCPWareo >U9 >If it's UCX, the command to show the current gateway is:g >p >  $ UCX SHOW ROUTE /PERMANENT >1$ >To set the default gateway for UCX: > 4 >  $ SET ROUTE /DEFAULT /GATEWAY=x.x.x.50 /PERMANENT >e5 >--Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)    ===========c, Remove 'nospam' from email to reply - Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:01:21 GMTo4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)A Subject: Re: Changing the default gateway setting on a VMS systemh' Message-ID: <B4np5.369$%6.10034@insync>   ) Chris S (cschofie@nospam.home.com) wrote:nH : We have multinet.  Using the info below, I was able to set the gatewayD : with some additional help from online help on the exact syntax for : multinet.  : F : The only question I have is - how do I make such a change permanent,F : in multinet?  I did not see any '/permanent' switches.  Do I need to) : modify some startup file, or similar?  m : 3 : Thanks a lot- your information was very useful!  l :    You're welcome.   H According to an achived article from the vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinetL newsgroup, written by Mike Sullenberger, MLS@cisco.com , you add the commandI to multinet:local_routes.com , so that it's executed when multinet startse up at system boot time.o  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.netc;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid_2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:41:15 -0400 (EDT)s$ From: SYSMIKE@alpha1.ocis.uncwil.edu< Subject: Compaq Marketing: Agressively making new "inroads"?7 Message-ID: <01JTCO6X8V5E00059M@ALPHA1.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU>n  E Returning from vacation last week, I saw the following small roadsignp3 at mile 173 on I-81 South in the Wilkes-Barre area:    	FUTURE VMS SITE  F At first I started wondering what future job opportunities might awaitK with PA DOT (maybe an alpha-controlled toll road?). Then I started thinkingaK about the ultimate fate of many refrigerators here in NC (on the roadside).s% Sure hope that's not what they meant.   @ Seriously, anyone have an idea what the sign in PA really means?     	r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:08:41 -0400n# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>a@ Subject: Re: Compaq Marketing: Agressively making new "inroads"?+ Message-ID: <39A58ED9.C9136CB5@hsc.vcu.edu>r  Z saw an ad for a job for a road crew company in the richmond va area called VMS.. sigh...    = oh my gawd...  alt.pave.the.earth has started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!d   hee heeu  % SYSMIKE@alpha1.ocis.uncwil.edu wrote:S > G > Returning from vacation last week, I saw the following small roadsigna5 > at mile 173 on I-81 South in the Wilkes-Barre area:S >  >         FUTURE VMS SITE@ > H > At first I started wondering what future job opportunities might awaitM > with PA DOT (maybe an alpha-controlled toll road?). Then I started thinkinghM > about the ultimate fate of many refrigerators here in NC (on the roadside). ' > Sure hope that's not what they meant.e > B > Seriously, anyone have an idea what the sign in PA really means? >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 18:23:03 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)i@ Subject: Re: Compaq Marketing: Agressively making new "inroads"?+ Message-ID: <wf4K5AYPbzpD@eisner.decus.org>s  ^ In article <01JTCO6X8V5E00059M@ALPHA1.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU>, SYSMIKE@alpha1.ocis.uncwil.edu writes:G > Returning from vacation last week, I saw the following small roadsigne5 > at mile 173 on I-81 South in the Wilkes-Barre area:e >  > 	FUTURE VMS SITE > H > At first I started wondering what future job opportunities might awaitM > with PA DOT (maybe an alpha-controlled toll road?). Then I started thinking M > about the ultimate fate of many refrigerators here in NC (on the roadside).d' > Sure hope that's not what they meant.  > B > Seriously, anyone have an idea what the sign in PA really means?  H I saw such a sign in that area on July 16 and sent mail to a participantD in this newsgroup who lives in the area.  He was unable to find out.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 21:47:23 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) @ Subject: Re: Compaq Marketing: Agressively making new "inroads"?* Message-ID: <8o4j7b$h5l$1@lisa.gemair.com>  + In article <wf4K5AYPbzpD@eisner.decus.org>,n: Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote:_ >In article <01JTCO6X8V5E00059M@ALPHA1.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU>, SYSMIKE@alpha1.ocis.uncwil.edu writes:- >>[snip] >>   >> 	FUTURE VMS SITE7 >> CI >> At first I started wondering what future job opportunities might awaitu7 >> with PA DOT (maybe an alpha-controlled toll road?). i >>[snip]  @ Didn't someone post something about this awhile back and that it1 stood for Vehicle Management System or something?c  @ I don't recall the details, but it seems like it was a PA thing.   -Jordan Hendersona jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:08:12 -0400i0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>' Subject: Re: DCPS and PCL only printersiC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-0FB78E.17081224082000@news.compaq.com>n  E In article <5.0.0.13.0.20000818090958.009c6410@clmail>, Ken Robinson e <ksrobin@erenj.com> wrote:  G > I am trying to set up a DCPS V1.7 queue that points to a printer thatdK > understands PCL only (HP4si, no Postscript) using rawtcp. It doesn't looktC > like this can be done, since DCPS wants to print the banner using 
 > Postscript.n  H DCPS only works with PostScript printers.  If the printer has PCL, then F PCL files will be sent as is for printing by the printer's native PCL B interpreter.  If the printer only does PCL, DCPS can't talk to it.   Paul   -- a,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 23:44:08 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER); Subject: Re: DCPS victory / Tek Phaser 850 (Was: DCPS woes)r* Message-ID: <39a59728$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Q In article <8n0em8$68m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes:e@ >Actually both DCPS-OPEN and DCPS-PLUS are bundled with VMS now.A >At least for certain configurations as our ES40s came with both.r  L Wouldn't it be better/easier, if DCPS then only checks for the VMS license ?K Getting a license with the buy of a new machine included is not the same asoH covering the software product with another license (eg. maint contract).   -- i< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888t< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:47:29 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>h< Subject: DCPS Wish List (was Re: DCPS and PCL only printers)- Message-ID: <39A5DE41.5E81AC7D@earthlink.net>e   Paul Anderson wrote: > F > In article <5.0.0.13.0.20000818090958.009c6410@clmail>, Ken Robinson > <ksrobin@erenj.com> wrote: > I > > I am trying to set up a DCPS V1.7 queue that points to a printer thatNM > > understands PCL only (HP4si, no Postscript) using rawtcp. It doesn't lookcE > > like this can be done, since DCPS wants to print the banner using  > > Postscript.r > I > DCPS only works with PostScript printers.  If the printer has PCL, thenoG > PCL files will be sent as is for printing by the printer's native PCLuD > interpreter.  If the printer only does PCL, DCPS can't talk to it.  F Sounds like what we need is TRN$*_PCL.EXE. See the contents of the "B"! saveset in a recent DCPS release.a   -- T David J. Dachteraf dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s  H This *IS* comp.os.vms. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:18:29 -0500l$ From: Joe Swift <JSWIFT@clemson.edu>- Subject: Re: DEC Printserver 17 Configuration + Message-ID: <39A54AD5.4850468F@clemson.edu>   B As others have stated you need a load host to download the printerC OS and configuration information.  You can get the LPS software forhC VMS on the Consolidated distribution CDs.  You can get it for otherI( platforms from the old Digital web site:  G  www.digital.com/printers -> Software & Drivers -> Printserver Software   D The platforms are Windows, UNIX, and Novel.  The installation manualB is usually in the kit you download.  The manual also tells you howE to configure the printer.  You can use either MOP or TFTP to load the  printserver.  @  It is a very versatile printer and easy to access from a lot ofD different platforms.  The printserver uses a special protocol on topD of the network protocol to communicate.  However if you load the 5.2F LPS software it can accept LPR/LPD directly once its up and configured (using TCP/IP of course.)  r    F ======================================================================= Joe Swift                             | Sys. Prog./ Net Engr.e jswift@clemson.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:29:36 GMT- From: jgessling@yahoo.com & Subject: Re: DECNet Phase IV Manuals ?) Message-ID: <8o40ij$fk1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>B  C >   I may be able to pry loose the bookreader format manuals for an1 archivalD >   documentation page, but I can't think of a justification for the HTML& >   conversion of the Phase IV manuals  B How about running the bookreader manual (assuming you can find it)E through that Decus thing that converts it to text and then posting itfB some where.  Hopefully that will be easy enough that it gets done.. Beyond that some ambitious type could HTML it.   What do you think?   Jim.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 15:16:32 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.orga) Subject: Re: Eexpanding VMS user's buffer + Message-ID: <pyz4etc6CTKP@eisner.decus.org>a  O In article <s9a5183d.037@SMTP.HMC.PSU.EDU>, Rudy Reyes <rreyes@psu.edu> writes:hN > I'm writing a DCL "com" file, within this file I'm building records which  =* > exceed  256 bytes, the buffer's limit...@ > When I go over this limit,  I get the following error/message: > 9 > %RMS-W-RTB, 257 byte record too large for user's bufferu  F Yup.  That's the limit.  You can construct lines longer than the limitF by ending a line with a hyphen and then starting the next line without a dollar sign.  e.g.   $ backup a,b,c,d,-          e,f,g,h,-          i,j,k,l -          saveset.bck /save  E I think that the DCL command parser restricts the command buffer thateI results from concatenating those input lines (and from performing lexical < substitution on the result) to no more than 1024 characters.  C Individual command elements (command names, parameters, qualifiers,"* etc) cannot be larger than 255 characters.  F DCL symbols can have values up to 2048 characters in length as long asF the DCL parser doesn't have to touch those values.  Hence the need for things like $ WRITE /SYMBOLs  I You can sometimes finesse the DCL line length restriction.  For instance:v   $ define a aa,ab,ac,ad,aeo $ define b ba,bb,bc,bd,ber $ define c ca,cb,cc,cd,ceo $ define d da,db,dc,dd,del $ define e ea,eb,ec,ed,eet# $ define aa long,list,of,file,namesu& $ define ab another,list,of,file,names $ ...i0 $ define ee still,yet,another,list,of,file,names# $ backup a,b,c,d,e target.bck /saveu   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:40:31 GMT8 From: calepine@my-deja.com% Subject: Re: Error status from VMSTar ) Message-ID: <8o3tna$c0g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  % In article <oodp5.91$qy6.843@client>,f   "Dominic Olivastro" # <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> wrote:r0 > Thanks for the response, but it isn't working. Succeed or fail, the) > response from TAR is always $Status = 1p >e > Any other ideas?   Anyone?  1 vmstar is probably not built with the _posix_exit / feature test macro, so exit(0) and exit(1) both@- probably call sys$exit with SS$_NORMAL (whichg0 happens to be 1).  Look at the docs to exit() in the C RTL manual:r  2 <http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/c/5763p 024.htm#index_x_672>  / The sources to vmstar are freely available; youi* might want to modify them to exit with the- appropriate status, say SS$_ABORT, if the tari operation fails.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.h   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Aug 2000 00:05 -0400e From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*mF Subject: Re: File Maintenance: CONVERT /SORT or /NOSORT on index files& Message-ID: <25AUG200000054986@miasys>  I In article <8o3gs0$rk0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, byatesiii@my-deja.com writes...pD >In article <24AUG200001384971@miasys>,  hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m wrote:B >> In article <8nuebs$uuk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, byatesiii@my-deja.com
 >writes... >> >C >> >We HAVE considered using NOSORT, however, /SORT sorts secondaryyP >> >within primary keys, and I'm pretty sure our application sometimes positions7 >> >to a primary key and reads sequentially from there.  >>? >> Not so. /SORT only affect whether the primary key is sorted.   C > I will say I have tested it, and found secondary keys were not inoC > the same order between the two options. Secondary appeared sorted ; > within primary with /SORT, not so with /NOSORT. VMS v7.1.f  : Ok, I'm starting to understand better what the concern is.= It was not obvious to me on first reading. Still, I had also aF (re)tested it (on V7.1) and, in an admittedly simple test (3 records).C found not difference on alternate key loading. I'll attach my test.dB Perhaps we need to know more about your files to understand where B that alternate key duplicatees where not reorganized in your case.  I RMS $PUTs maintain 'order of arrival' on duplicate key values, but I knowT* of very few application that exploit that.  D >I won't bother telling you the source, as you will say I need newer* >documentation, and I will agree with you.  " I think I foudn that reference in S 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6027/6027pro_002.html#conv_output_filesd  L The initial text there indeed suggest the output file can be 'ordered in theL same manner', but later text very explicitly explains how duplicates will be affected. Also attached.   Regards, 	Hein.   ---- my simple test -----      $create/fdl=sys$input 1.tmpfC file; org ind; key 0; seg0_l 4; key 1; seg0_l 1; seg0_p 4; dup yes;m $conv/merge sys$input 1.tmpt	 aap A eent
 nootA twee $conv/merge sys$input 1.tmpo
 miesA drie" $write sys$output "original key 0" $conv/key=0 1.tmp tt:/fdl=nl:n" $write sys$output "original key 1" $conv/key=1 1.tmp tt:/fdl=nl:c $i=0 $loop: $i=i+1
 $sort = ""
 $fast = "" $if (i.and.1) then sort="NO" $if (i.lt.3)  then fast="NO"; $conv/'sort'sort/'fast'fast 1.tmp 'sort'sort_'fast'fast.tmpm $write sys$output ""/ $write sys$output sort, " sort ", fast, " fast"s1 $conv/key=1 'sort'sort_'fast'fast.tmp tt:/fdl=nl:l $if (i.lt.4) then goto loopl   ---- from rms util manual -----o  F If the records in the output file are to be ordered in the same mannerG as the input file records, use the /NOSORT qualifier to save processing E time and space. For more information about sorting indexed files, see P both the /FAST_LOAD and the /SORT qualifiers in the CONVERT Qualifiers section.   F RMS appends records with duplicate key values to the end of a list of G uplicate keys so that the records are retrieved in chronological order.nF However, the Convert utility does not preserve chronological order forD secondary keys. Instead, records having duplicate secondary keys areB reordered and retrieved by the collating value of the primary key.G For example, assume that you have a file of names that uses the primarySH key (Key0) FIRST_NAME and a secondary key (Key1) LAST_NAME. Assume, too,P that the application program inserts a group of records in the following order:        Key0         Key1   .            .  John          Jones      Martin        Smith      David         Jones      Joseph        Brown      Gary          Adams  Adam          Jones       .            .         D When an application program accesses the records sequentially by theH secondary key (Key1), the records are retrieved in the following order:        Key0          Key1 a  .             . g Gary          Adams  Joseph        Brown  John          Jones      David         Jones  Adam          Jones  Martin        Smith   .             .          @ When an application program accesses the records sequentially byA the secondary key (Key1) after the file is converted, the recordsc& are retrieved in the following order:        Key0          Key1 i  .             . o Gary          Adams  Joseph        Brown  Adam          Jones      David         Jones  John          Jones  Martin        Smith   .             . r    @ Note the revised order of retrieval for the people named Jones.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:53:42 -0500o* From: Chris Gonderzik <chrisgon@yahoo.com>? Subject: HELP: How to make FTP service auto-start upon boot-up?08 Message-ID: <91oaqs8h6etvij576088is1tmjjh1915ol@4ax.com>  
 Hello all,  F Complete novice to VMS here, so sorry for the newbie question, but the) FAQ's are no help here.  Simple question:u  F How do I configure OpenVMS to start the FTP service automatically uponF starting OpenVMS after a reboot?  The FTP service runs fine by itself,D but won't start automatically.  We need it to start automatically so1 we can schedule a download to our data warehouse.l  @ I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious here, so please be gentle.t   TIA, -Chris.i   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 20:57:43 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)C Subject: Re: HELP: How to make FTP service auto-start upon boot-up?n* Message-ID: <39a57027$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  e In article <91oaqs8h6etvij576088is1tmjjh1915ol@4ax.com>, Chris Gonderzik <chrisgon@yahoo.com> writes:-G >Complete novice to VMS here, so sorry for the newbie question, but thee* >FAQ's are no help here.  Simple question:  ) Product (configuration) manual surely is.   G >How do I configure OpenVMS to start the FTP service automatically uponoG >starting OpenVMS after a reboot?  The FTP service runs fine by itself,aE >but won't start automatically.  We need it to start automatically soY2 >we can schedule a download to our data warehouse. >rA >I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious here, so please bel >gentle.  . Do you mean the FTP server (or a FTP client) ?F What you mean "runs fine by itself" ? Did you start it by hand ? How ?J What TCP/IP stack do you have ? UCX ? TCPIP ? TCPware ? Multinet ? CMUIP ?  > A FTP server will start on boot, if it is configured to do so.   UCX:	$ @SYS$STARTUP:UCX$CONFIG" TCPIP:	$ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$CONFIG TCPware:$ @TCPWARE:CNFNETu	 and so on    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:15:09 -0400t) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> ; Subject: RE: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDoB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61CF@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----% > From: Dan [mailto:beyonder@vrx.net]  > CSA program?   http://csa.compaq.com/     Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:52:45 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDi- Message-ID: <39A58B1D.FF93D022@tsoft-inc.com>l   Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > / > In article <39A42447.53919855@tsoft-inc.com>,-1 >    David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:n > >uT > > I'm not sure where the third party stuff came from.  The pertinent issue here isG > > that DEC/Compaq DID give away source listings CDs, with no apparentrN > > restrictions, license requirement, NDA requirement, and only the copyrightO > > notices to protect the intellectual property.  Once this has been done, any]R > > arguments about restrictions, NDA, etc become rather, well, meaningless.  Yes,S > > it's Compaq's property to handle as they see fit.  Just don't hand me arguments J > > about the potential loss of trade secrets, intellectual property, etc. > >oQ >     When did it become necessary to sign an NDA to get the VMS source listings?t  M I do not subscribe to the source listings.  Anything I've said comes from the-L comments of others, from what I know of DEC/Compaq licensing procedures, and possibly other sources.e  I Brian (VAXMAN) stated that he is a subscriber to these services, that the.P initial fee is $2200-$2800, and then a monthly fee thereafter.  He also stated IO believe that he had to sign an agreement, and a NDA.  For this he gets periodictM listings CDs and/or other types of updates.  So, some things I've said may be I considered hearsay, but I've listed the source for some of them if you're  interested.s  P >     Back in the "good-old-days" a copy of these ( on fiche ) used to ship withN > every VMS update. I'm sure those customers never signed any NDA to get them.J > If the restriction on disclosure of that information was implicit in theP > VMS license somehow then does that mean I'd also be in trouble for giving away& > an old copy of the I/O User's Guide?  N Yep, I've seen enough of the fiche copies.  Other than the VMS license, I knowI of no other requirments from that time.  I do seem to remember that a VMStM license back in that period was a bit more formal than the PAKs of today, andaM the customer may have signed some document(s) with some disclosure clauses in  them.e  K Since the documentation is freely available on the web site, I'd think thatoC passing around a hardcopy would be rather free of any restrictions.   R >     I've never coughed up the money to get the listings on CD since they stoppedN > giving away the fiche (I'm pretty sure the "free" fiche cost Digital more toK > produce than the "pay for it" CD btw) - do they require an NDA for those?G   One option, talk to Brian.   Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:47:34 GMTs* From: martin.hunt@nbnz.co.nz (Martin Hunt)% Subject: Re: Hmmmm a strange questiona0 Message-ID: <39a5dceb.361880736@news.xtra.co.nz>   >a
 >> ----------.7 >> From: 	Terry Marosites[SMTP:TMarosites@unitedad.com]D+ >> Sent: 	Thursday, August 17, 2000 3:15 PMD >> To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % >> Subject: 	Hmmmm a strange question< >> . >> 2 >> Best read at width 132i >> e
 >> Hello all,k >> nM >>    We have some large printers and sometimes they start printing garbage ( 1 >> Greek to us).  While trying to research where ,4 >> this Greek starts I noticed the banner like this: >> i
 >> FFFFFFFFFFsM >> 22222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222o >> 22h, >> 222222222222222222222222222     FFFFFFFFFF >> FFFFFFFFFF     2222222222222222222  Digital Equipment Corporation -
 >> OpenVMS; >> Alpha Version v7.1-2  22222222222222222222     FFFFFFFFFo
 >> FFFFFFFFFFlM >> 22222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222c >> 22S, >> 222222222222222222222222222     FFFFFFFFF >> t  D I don't think you have any control over those characters - they just* rotate in sequence. No particular meaning.  J >> I also noticed that it changes. My first thought is, If it changes , it >> must 7 >> mean something , So what does the F and 2 stand for.eK >> The "F" part in the above example seems to be always a Character and thea9 >> other part (the 2s) a number (0-9). My 2nd thought is -F >> how do I change the  "Digital Equipment Corporation - OpenVMS Alpha
 >> Version7 >> v7.1-2 " to something else preferably at print time.   E Define the system-wide logical PSM$ANNOUNCE (System Manager's Manual: D Essentials - section 13.6.6). From memory (I don't have any printers> with flag pages defined) it only changes one occurrence of the( "Digital Equipment Corporation" message.   >> m     -- Martin Hunts Technical Specialist National Bank of New Zealand   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:33:16 -0500 1 From: Andy Goldstein <Goldstein@star.zko.dec.com> ! Subject: Re: image backup timimgsu0 Message-ID: <39A54E4C.2BB2E6FC@star.zko.dec.com>   Richard D. Piccard wrote:r > F > I agree; in my experience, disk-to-disk back, unless the output is aF > saveset, is orders of magnitude slower than disk to saveset-on-tape.@ > Each file requires several seeks, to update the volume bitmap,C > the master file directory, and the particular directory it is in,fC > addition to writing the data blocks.  I seem to recall the having=D > the target volume allocated and mounted /FOREIGN might be possibleE > and might speed it up, because it would then know that there was no-> > need to keep the ODS-n data structures current step-by-step.  F If you're doing a disk to disk /IMAGE backup, the output volume *must*D be mounted /FOREIGN, and yes, you get the accelerated file handling.G Each file requires a single seek and write (for the file header) - much E faster than a normal file create on a non-/IMAGE disk to disk backup.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:01:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s@ Subject: Re: In case you havent seen the news on the Compaq site, Message-ID: <39A57F2B.FEEA0D9A@videotron.ca>   > "Bochnik, William J" wrote:i% > Last order date: September 30, 2000e# > Last ship date: December 31, 2000   M I am curious. Is Compaq so inefficient that it would take 3 months to ship an-K order for hardware which is not in such great demand ? Or would Compaq waiteJ until it gets all orders on Sept 30th, then have the manufacturing build a4 last batch of these VAxes and finally deliver them ?   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 19:18:09 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) @ Subject: Re: In case you havent seen the news on the Compaq site+ Message-ID: <8jG4u4iVTvtN@eisner.decus.org>   \ In article <39A57F2B.FEEA0D9A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >> "Bochnik, William J" wrote:& >> Last order date: September 30, 2000$ >> Last ship date: December 31, 2000 > O > I am curious. Is Compaq so inefficient that it would take 3 months to ship aneM > order for hardware which is not in such great demand ? Or would Compaq waitiL > until it gets all orders on Sept 30th, then have the manufacturing build a6 > last batch of these VAxes and finally deliver them ?  ? The Last Ship Date is to keep you from ordering a VAX right nowl  and specifying delivery in 2003.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:59:58 -0400 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>e@ Subject: Re: Installing a network adapter on an Alpha 1000 4/233" Message-ID: <39a57e69@news.si.com>  G >Yesterday the Digital network card in our Alpha Server 1000 4/233 quitb working. NowK >we have to replace this card with a new one. Is it possible to use any PCIe networkiK >adapter (10 MBit, Ethernet, BNC), or do we have to use an original Digitali adapter?/ >(We tried an SMC adapter, but it didn't work).p  J Our experience is similar to yours.  We have a 1000 4/233 that was runningL NT and contained a 100 Mb Ethernet card.  It's running VMS now, but I had toF put the old Compaq-supplied 10 Mb Ethernet card back in it because VMS# wouldn't recognize the 100 Mb card.n --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comrA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.como= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:58:29 -0400(* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>@ Subject: Re: Installing a network adapter on an Alpha 1000 4/233- Message-ID: <39A58C75.74F0006F@tsoft-inc.com>h   Brian Tillman wrote: > I > >Yesterday the Digital network card in our Alpha Server 1000 4/233 quit. > working. NowM > >we have to replace this card with a new one. Is it possible to use any PCI-	 > network5M > >adapter (10 MBit, Ethernet, BNC), or do we have to use an original Digitalc
 > adapter?1 > >(We tried an SMC adapter, but it didn't work).0 > L > Our experience is similar to yours.  We have a 1000 4/233 that was runningN > NT and contained a 100 Mb Ethernet card.  It's running VMS now, but I had toH > put the old Compaq-supplied 10 Mb Ethernet card back in it because VMS% > wouldn't recognize the 100 Mb card.d  O All network adapters require a driver for that specific adapter.  It's possibleeF that some adapters may work to some degree with a generic driver.  TheH manufacturers of the adapters provide drivers for windoz and a few otherP operating systems.  You could ask the manufacturer for a VMS driver, and if they6 do not produce one, you could suggest that they do so.  P DEC/Compaq provides VMS drivers for the adapters they support for VMS.  The realN problem is the bigotry of the adapter manufacturers and their bias for windoz.   Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  / Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:43:39 +0200 (MET DST)s& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>( Subject: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?6 Message-ID: <200008250540.HAA01261@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  G I did red, that Compaq will build the fastes supercomputer for the NNSAlF (National Nuclear Security Administration) with 1,250MHz CPU's. Have ID missed a new announcement, or will this CPU announced later? If thisJ CPU is available, what is the minimum version of OpenVMS (7.1-2H1 I hope)?   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:08:53 -0600  From: tylor30@hotmail.com P Subject: It is truly unbelievable. In a weeks time I have 90 prospects..........- Message-ID: <200008241504843.SM00638@default>/  L This message is sent in compliance of the new email bill HR 1910. Under BillG HR 1910 passed by the 106th U.S. Congress on May 24, 1999, this messagel cannotK be Considered Spam as long as we include the way to be removed. Per Section  HRK 1910. Please type "Remove" in the subject line and reply to this email. Allf removal > requests are handled personally and immediately once received.1 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@"  R Hi, my name is  Barb & Ron and I have been a small business owner and operator forK eight years. I know what 60-80 hour work weeks feel like! Those of you likepC me know that we do it for specific reasons. The main one is wealth.dE I have seen many get rich quick schemes and scams in my day, which iso; further testiment to the fact that too many people are downAB right lazy, they want to be wealthy but aren't willing to make theI sacrifices to achieve it. I have found an opportunity that I believe will L make achieving that wealth much easier than those back breaking 80 hour workG weeks. It's FREE to sign up, and you are under NO OBLIGATION! Read whatd3 others are saying about this brand new opportunity:   " ==================================L "It is truly unbelievable. In a weeks time I have 90 prospects thanks to theA free Powerline Co-op. This program really has changed our lives."o W. Davis-Dill (New Jersey, USA)e  ( http://206.158.220.207/sfi2/free/?418411  A "Wow!! I just joined a couple days ago and the first day I had 18 H prospects within an hour..soon after ANOTHER 18 people just by followingG some of your promotional tips....If this keeps going this way I will bed! making some top money real soon."  A. Ortiz (Florida, USA)l  ( http://206.158.220.207/sfi2/free/?418411  J "I have only been a member for less than two weeks and I already have more6 than 50 prospects thanks to the free Powerline Co-op!" P. Hoekstra (Michigan, USA)h  ( http://206.158.220.207/sfi2/free/?418411  J Here are a few samples of the benefits you will receive upon your free, no obligation sign up:   2 BONUS #1--FREE Internet Income Course ($295 Value)  L BONUS #2--A LIFETIME Subscription to the "Six-Figure Income" online magazineI - let $100,000+ earners teach you their success techniques. A $149 value!.  L BONUS #3--The Downline Online 21-day Promotion course--a day-by-day plan for" your online success. A $299 value!  ( http://206.158.220.207/sfi2/free/?418411  F BONUS #4--FREE tested money-making website. Start earning money TODAY!, Cost THOUSANDS to develop...you get it FREE!    ( http://206.158.220.207/sfi2/free/?418411  K BONUS #5--FREE shares in our EXCLUSIVE International ad co-op. You'll startbK getting FREE leads that build your business FOR YOU as soon as you sign up!l  ( http://206.158.220.207/sfi2/free/?418411  ! Let me Prove it to you-RISK FREE!'  B Take a "Test Drive" of the system. You risk nothing. If you're notE completely convinced that this isn't the Best Opportunity you've comebK across, you can cancel your FREE membership anytime. You owe it to yourselfeK to try this method and feel the wonderful results it can bring. And now your can Absolutely FREE!  / Go To: http://206.158.220.207/sfi2/free/?418411   and SIGN UP NOW!,   JUST RELEASED!  I We have just made a STARTLING ANNOUNCEMENT that's going to ripple throughaG the Internet community. All I can say is we are aligning ourselves withaI several major companies on the web and you will be able to build a globalaF business! When this happens my income is going to go through the roof!  
 Best regards,  Barb  & Ronm  ( http://206.158.220.207/sfi2/free/?418411  J P.S. Please remember, your free no-risk Test-Drive is exactly that-totally7 free to you and without any risk whatever. In fact, therA only way you could incur any risk at all is by not accepting thispI invitation, and thus depriving yourself of the greatest success advantagea5 that you might ever have the opportunity to discover.Y  ( http://206.158.220.207/sfi2/free/?418411     Wish you Good Day!	 Webmaster    Email; tylor30@hotmail.com http://rubicon8.com/home.htmly  = =============================================================iL This message is sent in compliance of the new email bill HR 1910. Under Bill: HR 1910 passed by the 106th U.S. Congress on May 24, 1999.> ==============================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:50:25 +0200A2 From: Alessandro Prete <ale@mail.polial.polito.it>' Subject: Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M48 5 Message-ID: <39A57C81.FC6F1496@mail.polial.polito.it>-   Thanks to all :-)nH I'm new to VAX/VMS (and I'm very  fascinated by this type of system) so,B probably, I'll ask you some other question in the near future :-))+ I'm waiting my VMS media kit from Montagar.s ... really near future :-))...I I own a VAXStation 3100 M48 with an internal CD-ROM (I think it should be-I the internal version of the RRD40) without a CD caddy and I'm not able to< find another one. E Can I use a different SCSI CD-ROM drive ? What model could be a rightD choice ?G How much space I need to successfully install VMS 7.2 (I have two RZ23,-	 104 MB) ?mG From the >>> prompt is it possible to know how much memory is installed/ in my system ? Thanks   Cheers,-   Ale-  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------<C  http://www.polial.polito.it/cdc          ale@mail.polial.polito.iteE ---------------------------------------------------------------------  Think MultiPlatform, Think Free<E ---------------------------------------------------------------------c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:03:22 -0400m* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>' Subject: Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M48,- Message-ID: <39A58D9A.9223C2AA@tsoft-inc.com>e   Alessandro Prete wrote:  >  > Thanks to all :-) J > I'm new to VAX/VMS (and I'm very  fascinated by this type of system) so,D > probably, I'll ask you some other question in the near future :-))- > I'm waiting my VMS media kit from Montagar.   > ... really near future :-))...K > I own a VAXStation 3100 M48 with an internal CD-ROM (I think it should betK > the internal version of the RRD40) without a CD caddy and I'm not able too > find another one.i  L Should be available at a computer store.  This type of drive isn't used much anymore.  G > Can I use a different SCSI CD-ROM drive ? What model could be a righta
 > choice ?  5 Drive must support 512 byte sectors, see the VMS FAQ.b  I > How much space I need to successfully install VMS 7.2 (I have two RZ23,m > 104 MB) ?e  O More than that.  Minamal size would be a RZ25/RZ25L, and 1 GB would be better. oM You cannot use larger than 1 GB for the system disk.  Again, see the VMS FAQ.   I > From the >>> prompt is it possible to know how much memory is installeds > in my system ?  - Yes, possibly 'show memory', see the VMS FAQ.-  ! > Think MultiPlatform, Think Freee  P Nothing is free.  Someone paid for it, in some manner, at some time.  Many times) the value you get is related to the cost.u   Dave   -- r4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:35:26 -0700M+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>e' Subject: Re: max disk size on VMS 5.5-2 ( Message-ID: <39A578FE.D7E9A4D6@mmaz.com>   Its in the FAQ:e  @ FILE5.  What is the largest disk volume size OpenVMS can access?  I One Terabyte (2**31 blocks of 2**9 bytes).  Prior to the release of V6.0,r the K OpenVMS file system was limited to disk volumes of 8.5 GB (2**24 blocks) org   less.i  I On some systems, there are restrictions in the console program that limito thegJ size of the OpenVMS system disk.  Note that data disks are not affected byH console program limits.  For example, all members of the VAXstation 3100K series are limited to a system disk to 1.073 GB or less due to the console,F  & though larger data disks are possible.   [snip] and so on...   Barryc   smiley0205@my-deja.com wrote:R  	 > VMSers,l >PH >   I want to confirm that on VMS 5.5-2, the maximum disk size is 2.1gb.= > I understand that you can have a volume set larger.  We areRI > consolidating a cluster and am trying to make the footprint as small asnF > possible so that is why we are interested in individual maximum disk > size.D >> > TIA, >r( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOt  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:01:27 -0500g, From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>' Subject: Re: max disk size on VMS 5.5-2F' Message-ID: <39A57F17.39DC949C@GCE.com>2  ; On VMS 5.5 a filesystem can be no larger than 8.5GB (so the2@ number of blocks fits in 24 bits). In 6.0 and later the limit is 1TB.  ? Larger disks can be used if you can find a way (like allocatingv3 a contiguous file at the top end) to fill the rest.F  @ There is a 1+ GB limit on how large the boot disk can be on some4 VAXen (notably VS3100) but data disks can be larger.   smiley0205@my-deja.com wrote:  > 	 > VMSers,a > H >   I want to confirm that on VMS 5.5-2, the maximum disk size is 2.1gb.= > I understand that you can have a volume set larger.  We arehI > consolidating a cluster and am trying to make the footprint as small asaF > possible so that is why we are interested in individual maximum disk > size.c >  > TIA, > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:12:49 +0200i" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>* Subject: Re: Memo:  Re:DECnet area routing( Message-ID: <8o3rok$46n$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  = The way I read the DECnet phase IV specs is that area routersh; must "see" each other in order to allow links between them.eF In your configuration LAN B cannot accept area routing update messages0 from LAN A and thus cannot connect to than area.G This disallows connections in both ways since lan B cannot find its wayu back.1   Hans) Paul BEAUDOIN heeft geschreven in berichtr8 <80256945.0059C4F3.00@emea-smtp-03.midlandbank.co.uk>...     You could set up a hidden area:.? LAN A is in area 63 with his area router set to MAXIMUM AREA 63c= LAN B is in area 1-62 with his area router set to MAX AREA 62e  E LAN A can thus 'see' the entire world whereas LAN B can only see areas 1-62.l  < Any compliant DECnet (Phase IV) implementation will do this.   Paul      D ********************************************************************A This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinarynA user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also = be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,t7 forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsiB attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseA notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it fromu your system.  < Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or@ error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,= arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not > accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of> this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.  B Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and= are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office3; through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearlyu? indicated in this message and the authority of the author to sos2 bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:08:43 -0400-* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>* Subject: Re: Memo:  Re:DECnet area routing- Message-ID: <39A58EDB.D28F7313@tsoft-inc.com>e   Paul BEAUDOIN wrote: > ! > You could set up a hidden area:rA > LAN A is in area 63 with his area router set to MAXIMUM AREA 63e? > LAN B is in area 1-62 with his area router set to MAX AREA 62  > G > LAN A can thus 'see' the entire world whereas LAN B can only see area1 > 1-62.  > > > Any compliant DECnet (Phase IV) implementation will do this.   Nice!p  N One potential problem is that this is not LAN A restricting access from LAN B,N but LAN B set up to not access LAN A.  If the people with system access to theP router on LAN B are not 'trusted' by LAN A, then the MAX AREA parameter could be4 changed solely under the control of people on LAN B.   Still an easy solution.-   Dave   -- -4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:04:40 -0400l% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>s3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS / Alpha Web Server - Frontpageh$ Message-ID: <39a57f82$1@news.si.com>  B >OK. So not Frontpage because it's the evil Microsoft empire. What@ >alternative would you suggest, that works with OpenVMS / Alpha?  I I write much of my Web code on VMS using LSEDIT and a language template IS wrote. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.combA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventd< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:01:34 -0400 % From: JM <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>m3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS / Alpha Web Server - Frontpage2O Message-ID: <20F3181F96786140.5412AAE4A98F3E4F.BD983CD3A575E552@lp.airnews.net>R  G Use VMS 7.2a, Advanced Server V7.2a, ODS-5 disks and the OSU web server7	 for a pc.t  E Use VMS 7.2a, ODS-5 disks, Ftp server and the OSU web server for Unixo and Mac.  F ODS-5 gives you upper and lower case, special characters and unlimitedB filename lengths and directories. Works great. Lots of file namingE problems publishing from "other" operating systems (Unix, PC, Mac) go  away with ODS-5.  F Then just about any PC application that can "publish html" or "save asH .html" will work great to a simple file share that is also mapped to the web server.   F You can also use applications that "publish to ftp server". NetObjects? Fusion is an example of a web publishing tool that can do this.t  C Advanced server isn't terribly expensive, you only need a $95 or soo* server access license per concurrent user.   				*JM*   Bender, Jim E. wrote:r > < > What I used to do is export a directory on the VMS machine< > using NFS or Pathworks, map that share or export on my PC,< > and then use a tool like Dreamweaver or Homesite to create= > the pages on the PC, saving them to the exported directory.p > @ > The exported VMS directory can even be the live directory that> > your web server pulls from, so you can be testing your pages@ > with a real browser at the same time without any extra effort. >  > Worked well for me.   YMMV.  > 	 > Thanks,c > JimF/ > > In article <VA.000000a6.0322f125@sture.ch>,  > >   paul@sture.ch wrote:7 > > > In article <8nitqv$7nd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  wrote:6" > > > > From: steliosc@my-deja.com > > > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 7 > > > > Subject: OpenVMS / Alpha Web Server - Frontpage + > > > > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:58:14 GMTs > > > >22 > > > > Greetings creatures from the planet Earth! > > > >eJ > > > >   Does anybody out there have any good ideas how to publish snazzy > > > > sites on VMS?s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:26:50 -0300i1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>h# Subject: RE: printer queue problems(K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE957@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>-  J Judging by the error this is an IP queue.  What type of IP product are youK using.  Please give a SHOW QUEUE/FULL and a SHOW DEVICE/FULL of the queue's. device also. - Darren   > ----------, > From: 	David Romero[SMTP:romerod@gedas.es]+ > Sent: 	Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:46 AM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" > Subject: 	printer queue problems >  > Hi,n > F > I'm working in a AlphaServer 1200 with OpenVms 7.2.1. After creatingJ > queues to print, I send a job and it holds on error showing the message: >  > Retained on error.* > SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match > C > I'm not sure I've created the queue correctly, can you explain me 9 > something about this error or about how create queues ?e >  > Thanks >  > David. >  >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andrJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theynL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingd of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudauF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:21:06 -0700 - From: "Mark W. Ripley" <markr@millerslab.com>h3 Subject: RE: Queue always prints extra page (fixed) . Message-ID: <39A5F432.709DCFEC@millerslab.com>  D Thanks for your help, indeed it was a reset sequence being processedB between jobs causing the extra page.   I took out the resets (theyF weren't causing problems before the printer was spooled) and now it's @ working just fine.  Also I need to read the FAQ again, because I@ had forgotten about MGMT 23 that deals exactly with this problem (and related ones).  w5   http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/wiz_1020.htmlt Thanks again - -- C Mark W. Ripley markr@millerslab.com http://www.millerslab.comi   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:18:35 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com># Subject: Renaming SYS$NODE_nodename ) Message-ID: <8o3vu3$elj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i   Hello,  G In the VMS FAQ, MGMT19., it says that one of the steps needed to renameh	 a node is    <iE 6. Rename the SYS$NODE_oldnodename rightslist identifier to match thec> new name. (Do not change the binary value of this identifier.) >   F But, in the OVMS Guide to System Security, Section 4.1.2.1 (Manual forF OVMS V6.2) it says that the identifier SYS$NODE_nodename is created by@ the system startup procedure SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM. I looked inG STARTUP.COM and it gets the nodename from F$GETSYI("NODENAME") in whichbC case I assume that it would define the identifier with the new nodesD name as given by the new value of SCSNODE. What is the resolution of this apparent conflict?a  E Also, why does it say "DECnet Phase IV area number"? What if you havee Phase V or DECnet Plus? TIA. -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmans alan48  &-)c dellnet.comm    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Aug 2000 22:03:22 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)' Subject: Re: Renaming SYS$NODE_nodename ) Message-ID: <8o463a$bck$1@hecate.umd.edu>R  V In article <8o3vu3$elj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> writes:H >In the VMS FAQ, MGMT19., it says that one of the steps needed to rename
 >a node is [snip] >iG >But, in the OVMS Guide to System Security, Section 4.1.2.1 (Manual forhG >OVMS V6.2) it says that the identifier SYS$NODE_nodename is created by/6 >the system startup procedure SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM.  [snip]2 >What is the resolution of this apparent conflict?  O If the rights identifier doesn't exist at system startup time, it gets created.tM The rights database, which is a file, keeps its values across system reboots.s  F >Also, why does it say "DECnet Phase IV area number"? What if you have >Phase V or DECnet Plus? TIA.?  N Phase V has a Phase IV compatible addressing mode.  Just pretend your in phase IV and assign it an address.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edui   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 19:21:12 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)=' Subject: Re: Renaming SYS$NODE_nodename-+ Message-ID: <NTjO1cTU3T9W@eisner.decus.org>0  V In article <8o3vu3$elj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> writes:  G > Also, why does it say "DECnet Phase IV area number"? What if you havet > Phase V or DECnet Plus? TIA.  J You can think of "DECnet Phase IV area number" as being "NSP area number".G If you are running Phase V but use the old DECnet protocols over it (asfD distinguished from only using OSI protocols) they use the old DECnetA node and area numbering.  OSI applications use the native Phase Vv OSI numbering.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:27:41 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>c' Subject: Re: Renaming SYS$NODE_nodenamee. Message-ID: <sqbppjiqt9155@corp.supernews.com>  0 "Alan E. Feldman" <alan48@my-deja.company> wrote/  in message news:8o3vu3$elj$1@nnrp1.deja.com...m > Hello, >hI > In the VMS FAQ, MGMT19., it says that one of the steps needed to rename- > a node is- > <-G > 6. Rename the SYS$NODE_oldnodename rightslist identifier to match the @ > new name. (Do not change the binary value of this identifier.) > >  >nH > But, in the OVMS Guide to System Security, Section 4.1.2.1 (Manual forH > OVMS V6.2) it says that the identifier SYS$NODE_nodename is created byB > the system startup procedure SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM. I looked inI > STARTUP.COM and it gets the nodename from F$GETSYI("NODENAME") in which2E > case I assume that it would define the identifier with the new node F > name as given by the new value of SCSNODE. What is the resolution of > this apparent conflict?y <snip>  F The reason is that any existing Acess Control Lists (ACLs) that may beI present that reference SYS$NODE_oldnodename contain the binary value, not4 the actual nodename.  L By following the instructions in the FAQ, these ACLs will still work for the	 new node.   J I am unaware of any such ACLs being generated by the operating system, andG have renamed nodes with out worrying about the SYS$NODE_xxxxxx and have  never had a problem.  L Note that a VMScluster by it's very nature will have multiple SYS$NODE_xxxxx! names in the rightslist database.e   -Johno wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 24 AUG 2000 16:45:56 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)0 Subject: Re: Supressing Commands from a COM File6 Message-ID: <24AUG00.16455606@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  , sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn M) wrote: ->G -> We are running OpenVms 7.1 on an AlphaServer here in our shop.  I am F -> in the midst of writing a COM file which will freeze a Mumps DB for
 -> backup. ->G -> After I issue the command to freeze the DB, I am prompted for manualtG -> input.  It is the same question for each of the 10 DB's which i have 
 -> to freeze.e ->H -> Instead of manually typing the information, I would like the COM file; -> to automate the response, for example a sample would be:e ->. -> Do you really want to freeze this database? ->I -> I would like to have the COM file automatically answer Y and continue?z  5 Which mumps implementation are we talking about here?-  M If it's Intersystems "ISM" you would define the logical MCHAT with a value ofs "DONTASK". E.g.e   	$ DEFINE MCHAT DONTASK    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:52:28 GMTh3 From: "Guillaume Gerard" <guillaume.gerard@free.Fr>f  Subject: Re: ucx cli-e-nocmdproc5 Message-ID: <whdp5.1659$Ix4.5812394@nnrp1.proxad.net>n  H I would think that the login file of ucx$ftpd cannot be accessed. Either protected or missing.c  K see its name in the CMDPROC of the UCX$FTPD account, enable the file access0$ failure audit, and see what happens.  C "Phillip Williams" <phdevax@lobo.net> a crit dans le message news:e( uZ2p5.1297$OI2.494117@news.uswest.net... > HellolF > Lately I been getting the following error message when ever I try to< > do anything with UCX. The machine is running VMS 5.5-2 andI > UCX 4.1. I have not added or deleted any software. I tried reinstalling * > UCX  but no luck. I can do the following, > $ run/process=ucx$ftpd sys$system:ucx$ftpd > and it works. Any thoughts. 	 > phillip>: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-AUG-2000 23:49:25.66  %%%%%%%%%%%, > Operator status for operator _PISCES$TNA1: > NETWORK, CLUSTER >c > PISCES> ftp pisces: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-AUG-2000 23:49:31.16  %%%%%%%%%%%& > Message from user INTERnet on PISCES' > INTERnet ACP Process creation successg >r: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-AUG-2000 23:49:31.19  %%%%%%%%%%%& > Message from user INTERnet on PISCESF > INTERnet ACP FTP Accept Request from Host: 198.59.115.222 Port: 1032 > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-AUG-2000 23:49:33.06  %%%%%%%%%%%& > Message from user INTERnet on PISCES8 > INTERnet ACP detected UCX$FTPD exiting before 'accept' >t: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-AUG-2000 23:49:33.08  %%%%%%%%%%%& > Message from user INTERnet on PISCESH > INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status = %CLI-E-NOCMDPROC >y, > %FTP-E-NETERR, I/O error on network device6 > -SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected	 > PISCES>. >. >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 22:05:23 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: ucx cli-e-nocmdproc* Message-ID: <39a58003$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  a In article <uZ2p5.1297$OI2.494117@news.uswest.net>, "Phillip Williams" <phdevax@lobo.net> writes:yE >Lately I been getting the following error message when ever I try to ; >do anything with UCX. The machine is running VMS 5.5-2 and:H >UCX 4.1. I have not added or deleted any software. I tried reinstalling) >UCX  but no luck. I can do the followingt+ >$ run/process=ucx$ftpd sys$system:ucx$ftpdr >and it works. Any thoughts.  I Did the FTP Server ever run ? It looks like a problem with its definitionm* and/or its files and/or directory (owner).  G Go back to UCX$CONFIG and disable the FTP server and reenable it. Maybe K the user (or its identifier) got deleted or the SYS$SPECIFIC dir is gone...3  J Did you install UCX ECOs ? I think there a bunchful for UCX V4.1. Maybe 10* (but of course, you only need the latest).  D I found, that UCX ECOs did change something in the definition of theE UCX service or respective command files ([e]SNMP was an example). The F UCX ECO did then also supply new versions of this command file and didG them install in SYS$MANAGER - as expected - but not also in the already*D existing service user home directories - thus leaving a system whereC the service EXE did not match the service startup command file. AnddC UCX$CONFIG did also not update these command files. Compare them by @ hand or delete them and let UCX$CONFIG create/copy them again...   HIH  -- h< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888f< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:35:36 -0500n5 From: "dejohn@consultant.com" <dejohn@consultant.com> & Subject: Urgent Messsage, Please Read!- Message-ID: <0FZT0008E6JQA9@mx.east.saic.com>e  2                     Position Yourself Now, FREE!!!  P Hello Friend, would you consider granting me permission to send you information 6 on a wonderful and very profitable online opportunity?F It's FREE to join, and the way the pay plan is setup , you can profit I even if you never tell a soul.  With our continuous advertising campaignsuQ and our consistent involvment in different co-ops, our group has been EXPLODING! c/  We do 99% of the work, You cannot loose here!  P Listen, the company has a 15 year solid track record, and they are also members V of the Better Business Bureau.  THIS is not some gimmick, This is a SOLID opportunity  that WILL make you money!   ; For more Info., reply with "Send Info." in the subject line  dejohn@consultant.comm   Best Wishes,
 Dan Elstad  O **NOTE** Your name has been on my personal list I have built over the last few  R years, you got on my list because you have either expressed interest in an offer, R or we had exchanged offers. If you feel you have been placed on my list in error, H I sincerely apologize. Reply with "remove" in the subject line. Thankyou   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 23:02:52 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: VMS 7.2 can't see a cd * Message-ID: <39a58d7c$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  p In article <39a58b21$0$56644$392904a7@news.execpc.com>, ckronenw@earth.execpc.com (Charles Kronenwetter) writes:D >I have a Vaxstation 3100 mod 30 with which I am attempting to use aJ >Toshiba scsi cdrom. I can see the drive on the bus correctly with the SHOJ >DEV command at bootup. I can run standalone backup (from the VMS HobbyestK >cdrom) without problem. I can copy the saveset information without problem J >to one of the other scsi disks.  When, however, I run VMS 7.2 and attemptE >to mount the same cdrom, I get an error indicating that media is notIH >present and the drive will not mount.  Is this a bug with 7.2 or is VMSI >just fussier in its choice of cdroms? Why the difference between VMS 7.29 >and standalone backup?   K Check the ECOs. IIRC there was one for problems with (ISO9660) CDs on V7.2.-  J What is the error message ? Do you see the device in VMS or did you forget to SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE it ?  0 More, I can't tell. I'm just a newbie to V7.2...   -- D< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Aug 2000 15:52:49 -05006 From: ckronenw@earth.execpc.com (Charles Kronenwetter) Subject: VMS 7.2 can't see a cdt7 Message-ID: <39a58b21$0$56644$392904a7@news.execpc.com>e  C I have a Vaxstation 3100 mod 30 with which I am attempting to use aeI Toshiba scsi cdrom. I can see the drive on the bus correctly with the SHO I DEV command at bootup. I can run standalone backup (from the VMS HobbyestvJ cdrom) without problem. I can copy the saveset information without problemI to one of the other scsi disks.  When, however, I run VMS 7.2 and attempt D to mount the same cdrom, I get an error indicating that media is notG present and the drive will not mount.  Is this a bug with 7.2 or is VMSnH just fussier in its choice of cdroms? Why the difference between VMS 7.2 and standalone backup?  h C Kronenwetter
 Milwaukee, Wim   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:28:59 GMTe2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>F Subject: Re: VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,...6 Message-ID: <%cip5.449$M62.165923@typhoon.aracnet.com>  + David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: O >> > The other advantage of using a separate dedicated appliance is that in the:Q >> > case of a denial of service attack, it bears the brunt of it instead of yourM >> > VMS system. >> rK >> Wouldn't it still keep you from being able to access the net?  Maybe I'mt >> missing the point here.  D > While it may interfer with you outside communications, your insideK > communications would not be affected.  What John's saying is that if youreQ > gateway is a VMS system, and you're using it for other things, (reasonable with85 > VMS), a DoS attack could affect the 'other things'.   C OK, I should have realized that...  I'm to used to the concept of aeG dedicated *machine*, which in effect has the same result as a dedicated F *appliance*.  While I run stuff on the system if the connection to theK Internet isn't usable it doesn't matter to me if those things are effected.I   			    Zanec   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:23:49 -0500a1 From: Andy Goldstein <Goldstein@star.zko.dec.com>g5 Subject: Re: What is meaning of BACKUP error message? 0 Message-ID: <39A54C15.28321BEF@star.zko.dec.com>  A My first guess is that the tape has mis-positioned. The SYSTEM-W-aB ENDOFFILE error is coming back from the tape driver as a result ofE having encountered a tape mark where BACKUP wasn't expecting one. (At F the end of the save set, there is an ANSI trailer label set consistingH of TM-EOF1-EOF2-EOF3-EOF4-TM-TM, where TM = tape mark and EOFn is an end of file label.)p  G Another possibility is that you've run into the media end zone, and thee3 drive is mis-reporting the condition to the driver.i  F If you can read the save set with BACKUP/LIST and with no errors, then! your save set is OK and complete.   C How many times has this problem occurred? (Wondering whether it's at& one-off glitch or a repeatable error.)   Joe H. Gallagher wrote:e > > > On a uVAX-3100/90 running V7.2 of VMS, I am getting an error@ > message I don't understand.  The mka200 is a 4mm dat tape -- a? > TLZ06 look alike.  The backup (batch) command file is runningr+ > from the system manager's account and is:: >  > $!      NIGHTLY_BACKUP.COM > $!> > $ r1 = f$edit(f$extract(0,3,f$cvtime(,,"WEEKDAY")),"UPCASE") > $ show symbol r1 > $ init  mka200: 'r1 /med=compo > $ mount mka200: /for/med=compe7 > $ backup/image/verify/ignor=interlock/nocrc dka100: - , >   mka200:F100'r1 /save/label='r1 /med=comp7 > $ backup/image/verify/ignor=interlock/nocrc dka500: - , >   mka200:F500'r1 /save/label='r1 /med=comp" > $! some other processing follows > A > Near the end of the first pass when backing up the second disk,0= > the dka500: disk (before getting the "Starting Verificationb* > pass message"), I get the error message: > 7 > %BACKUP-F-LABELERR, error in tape label processing on  >   MKA200:[]F500WED.;" > -SYSTEM-W-ENDOFFILE, end of file > ? > The data "appears" to be written on the tape correctly.  What > > does this error message mean?  It this a hardware error?  Or3 > is there something wrong with the BACKUP command?Y >  > Joe H. Gallagher   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:07:10 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> 1 Subject: Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?(' Message-ID: <39A5E333.C5A6A292@vrx.net>d   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  ? > I am confused as to why you value your "sight unseen" guesses.D > higher than the opinions of those people who have seen the source,A > have seen the books, have seen the I&DS and have seen the rough ? > format description passed out at DECUS symposia 10 years ago.a >sC > If you worked with the available materials and had something that @ > was almost working I think you might get online help (and more > respect from the group).  T Simple logic. A few "excerpts" from the source listings can in no way substitute forO the entire listings. Depending on how the code was written. Modules outside the R listings you are reading in the books can have a profound effect on things you are/ attempting to do, depending on what it is, etc.u  V I have been programming various computer languages since 1976, that's over 24 years ofI experience, and over 10 years of that (contiguous) is DEC Vax experience. R I have done programming in Assembler (Assembly, whatever you prefer to call it) on the vax as well.  M By no means am I an expert, and I've long forgotten most of my vax knowledge.eU But I know being given a piece of the source listings never substitutes for the wholet thing.  R Say you have one of these IDS books or internals or some such. Ok, fine, you buildV some sort of program or interface or whatever, maybe your own I/O routines. Sure, it'dT take a while. But then, it doesn't work, or some unforseen factors make your program> operate in a way it shouldn't. or some other thing. what then?  S You're only seeing a portion of what is going on. To really understand an OS at theeL core and see what's happening at any given time you need the entire picture.O otherwise. An OS is live, it's real-time, it's dynamic. All sorts of things are: happening all the time.@  P I think it foolish to consider you have an understanding of it without the wholeT picture. But that's just me. Remember, I've seen none of these references, so I have* NO idea what the hell I'm talking about...  U I do have the internals I & II courseware now, but again, it's not the whole picture.s   B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:33:37 -0400n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)1 Subject: Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?uL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2508000133380001@user-2iveb18.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <39A5E333.C5A6A292@vrx.net>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:   > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > A > > I am confused as to why you value your "sight unseen" guessesqF > > higher than the opinions of those people who have seen the source,C > > have seen the books, have seen the I&DS and have seen the roughnA > > format description passed out at DECUS symposia 10 years ago., > > E > > If you worked with the available materials and had something thatmB > > was almost working I think you might get online help (and more > > respect from the group). > G > Simple logic. A few "excerpts" from the source listings can in no way  > substitute for > the entire listings.  / "excerpts" is no way to characterize the books.t  O > By no means am I an expert, and I've long forgotten most of my vax knowledge.SM > But I know being given a piece of the source listings never substitutes for  > the wholeE > thing.  E The "whole thing" is what, 30 or 40 million lines of code these days?nF I hope you read fast!  I'm perfectly willing to admit that my brain is% way to small to hold the whole thing!>  A > Say you have one of these IDS books or internals or some such. a  J At the risk of being repetitive, let me play devil's advocate and ask you  a question or two:  K Have you looked at the I&DS book (any platform, any version) as recommendedrF a dozen or so times in this thread?  Same question for the File SystemF Internals book?  I&DS IS still in print and available.  You could have obtained a copy by now.   D In conjuction with the I&DS, have you looked at some crash dumps, or1 better, some running systems with analyze/system?s  G If you haven't done either of these things, you should.  If you haven't-D seen it, you may be underestimating the level of detail in I&DS.  ItG appears (to my non-expert eyes) to cover virtually everything.  DetailssE not covered in the books are probably MUCH more likely to change fromaJ version to version; if you stick to information in the book, your programs7 will probably only need to be recompiled in many cases.a  D I've scanned parts of the source listings (ca. 5.x Vax), and I don'tB find the code terribly revealing.  There's just too much of it.  IH can imagine it would be useful only when worrying about a very specific,G well-isolated question.  And I would never seriously study the listings G without I&DS (or another appropriate book) open on my desk at the time.eF When I've studied a feature in the listings and the book side-by-side,E I learned a lot from the book, and close to nothing from the listing.u  E I would venture a guess that most everyone in openvms engineering hasSC a well-worn copy of the book close at hand.  Unless there's an eveng> more detailed, top-secret, internal version available to them.    C I guess I'm confused.  If you ever told us just what you are tryingaF to do, I must have missed the post.  Are you trying to learn about theH innards of VMS, or is this some kind of macho "I have the source" thing? (No flame is intended.)c  G I reckon you'll end up with the listings in a readable form eventually.eA And then, if you're serious about learning, you'll get the books.w   I'll shut up now.l   -- i Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comg   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 06:51:32 +0930e. From: "Geoff Kingsmill" <gkingsmill@yahoo.com>, Subject: Re: X display video capture for VMS6 Message-ID: <8o43kf$mu4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ! ImageMagick can do what you want.a  5 http://www.wizards.dupont.com/cristy/ImageMagick.htmlu   Geoff..c  / "sseng" <sseng@ozemail.com.au> wrote in messageu) news:PY%o5.185$cr3.8435@ozemail.com.au...3B > Is xvidcap or an equivalent utility available for VMS?  I have a requirement = > to capture a video of an X-windows display to an mpeg file.C   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.474 ************************