1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 26 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 477       Contents: A Breath Of Fresh Air -QDYY * Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ* Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ Re: carl lydick  Re: carl lydick # Re: Disaster Tolerance - Terrorists " Free Express Mail Server Software!2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD is montagar down again?  Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M48 Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M486 Re: Minor Nit In OpenVMS ALPHA Version of SHUTDOWN.COM$ Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?$ Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ? Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit? 
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 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:39:37 GMT / From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) 3 Subject: Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ 1 Message-ID: <39a7e3bf.43569101@news.telocity.com>   B On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 05:41:03 +0100, Paul Sture <sture.ch@sture.ch> wrote:  F >In article <buDp5.475$M62.182077@typhoon.aracnet.com>, Zane H. Healy  >wrote: 5 >> From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> 2 >> Subject: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ >> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms& >> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:40:55 GMT >>  K >> Normally I just access the copy of the OpenVMS FAQ available via http on H >> eisner, however it's out of date.  Where can one find the August 2000 >> edition on the web? >>  , >> In other words where does it really live? >>  7 >http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  > % >353Kb, just downloaded this morning.  >___ >Paul Sture  >Switzerland > E Except that the version at this page still does not include the TIME* D section mentioned by Hoff in another thread.  It appears this one isA dated 18-AUG but does not contain the 18-AUG information.  If you ? follow the link in that FAQ to rtfm.mit.edu, you will find what ? appears to be the most recent version, although in text format.    Steve  Steven P. Underwood,DNRC Whitinsville,MA  StevenU@POBoxes.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:06:42 GMT 6 From: andekl@saaf.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=) Subject: Re: carl lydick3 Message-ID: <1efz8fx.1pjzs5333nfu6N%andekl@saaf.se>   < barbara trumpinski-roberts <kittent@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:  G > i don't know from vax.vms but i just thought i would come in here and I > remind you guys that carl 'speaker-to-minerals' lydick died 4 years ago  > yesterday. > * > so raise a glass and toast his memory... >   $ Is the Eternal Flame still burning ?7 There was a web site with that title dedicated to Carl. B I lost my bookmarks when I got a new computer, so I can't find it.   --  D * Anders Eklf        * Phone: + 46 8581 74712  * "I blame you for *D * Glimmerstigen 46    * e-mail: ae@radfys.ks.se * the moonlit sky" *D * S-196 33 KUNGSNGEN *     or  andekl@saaf.se  *       ----       *D * SWEDEN              *                         *   Tasmin Archer  *   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:23:02 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: carl lydickL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2608001123030001@user-2ivecjp.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <1efz8fx.1pjzs5333nfu6N%andekl@saaf.se>, andekl@saaf.se wrote:   & > Is the Eternal Flame still burning ?9 > There was a web site with that title dedicated to Carl. D > I lost my bookmarks when I got a new computer, so I can't find it.  F No, it went away.  I had a bookmark, but probably a year or so ago theK site became some boring company-related stuff.  I checked back a few times, C but the flame never returned, so eventually I trashed the bookmark.   J IIRC, it was a collection compiled from deja-voodoo, back when deja-voodooI still worked once in a while.  So I guess the flame still exists, it just  isn't reachable right now.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:24:49 -0400 - From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com> , Subject: Re: Disaster Tolerance - Terrorists. Message-ID: <sqfnv61gt9138@corp.supernews.com>  9 SO... Why hasn't Compaq ever promoted this in their ads ?     . <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message= news:OF67E04BEE.F6167271-ON88256946.006E930B@HEALTHNET.COM...  > J > Not that I am aware of, and I believe most of the VMS sites in that areaG > were customers of the company I worked for at the time. My office was  about J > a mile away, we lost windows (unfortunately, the wrong kind...). Our VMS > ystems didn't even hiccup. >  > Shane  >  >  >  >  > : > Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk on 08/25/2000 08:15:53 AM >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > cc:  > / > Subject:  Re: Disaster Tolerance - Terrorists  >  > ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  >  > L > I don't know for sure, but I would hazard a guess at it being when the IRA9 > bombed the City of London to break their 'ceasefire'...  >  > Steve Spires >  >  >  > H > robert_jm_barron@HOTMAIL.COM (Robert Barron) on 25/08/2000 03:00:38 PM > " > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) J > From:      robert_jm_barron@HOTMAIL.COM (Robert Barron), 25 August 2000, > 3:00 >            p.m.  > ! > Disaster Tolerance - Terrorists  >  >  >  >  > Hi, B > Whiles reading "OpenVMS and NT Integration (for dummies)" I cameH > across a line on page 171 where they claim that due to a fiber ClusterD > Interconnect, an OpenVMS application survived a terrorist bombing. >  > are any details available? >  > Thank you, > Robet  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 05:39:00 +0001  From: ems808@lycos.com+ Subject: Free Express Mail Server Software! - Message-ID: <0FZW003HKKY0LL@mx.east.saic.com>   B   *******New List 8-22-00!!********                                        B The key to success in marketing online is reaching the people who " are really interested in your ad!   9 You need targeted e-mails of business opportunity seekers < who are ACTIVELY marketing online and trying to expand their business TODAY!   ? These are going to be the lowest prices for deliverable, fresh, A opportunity seekers you are going to find anywhere! 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If I received your e-mail in error, or you are no  = longer interested, please reply with "remove" in the subject. A _________________________________________________________________                   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:13:16 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> ; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD ' Message-ID: <39A7C2C2.98A5C7E5@vrx.net>    David A Froble wrote:   M > I swore I was done with this thread, but Ok, one more time.  Having the VMS O > CD-ROM media doesn't give you a license to run VMS, does it?  If someone told : > you it did, would you have a bit of a problem with that?  < no it doesn't. but that's not what we're talking about here.K we're talking the source listings. this has nothing to do with running VMS. P I have a hobbyist license (license to run VMS) and I have the hobbyist CD media.Q but that's got nothing to do with the source listings in any way, shape, or form.   K > He's asking people who have signed a NDA and bought a specific LICENSE to K > DISCLOSE to him.  Without showing a copy of the same license and NDA they - > signed.  I can understand their hesitation.   C Not at all. no problems here either. You're forgetting many things. : 1) I talked to Compaq, the duty manager about all of this.L anyone here who has any hesitation should feel free to contact them as well.Q Even Hoff has stated he agrees with my statements about Compaq saying transfer of  licenses is not a big deal. T 2) what about all those FREE sets given out at DECUS events WITHOUT any NDA, with noR restrictions? Several people on this list have already admitted (or been found) to, have received these at one point or another.U 3) Compaq has stated since I have a set (in whatever format) and the other person has S a CD set, they can feel free to LOAN me (or sell, rent, whatever) their CD set with L absolutely no problems. Both people have a license, so that's not a problem.  U Again, if anyone has the slightest problem with any of this, contact Compaq. It's not N going to kill you, if you're really feel like it. And, no, they won't give outD anything in writing (they can't for reasons that should be obvious).  S and finally, it's not like I'm asking for your first-born, people. It's well within R the license rights and statements, all of which can be verified. It's not like I'mT going to sell copies of the damn thing (who the hell would want one?). I'd just likeU to look at a CD set, period. No, I am not terribly interested in the I&DS (or is that K ID&S?) anyhow, I just want to look at the CD set, I'm curious, so shoot me.    B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:50:31 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> ; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD . Message-ID: <sqfilttqt9162@corp.supernews.com>  . "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message! news:39A7C2C2.98A5C7E5@vrx.net...  > David A Froble wrote:  > E > Not at all. no problems here either. You're forgetting many things. < > 1) I talked to Compaq, the duty manager about all of this.H > anyone here who has any hesitation should feel free to contact them as well.   L In all of the papers that I have seen from Digital or Compaq, they all state? that only what is in writing counts.  Verbal is not acceptable.   L You can generally only use a verbal modification to a written policy, if youI can prove that a named employee made them.  If you can not get that named K employee to directly testify on your behalf in court, you would need at the H least an unbiased witness.  If you have a voice recording, the burden of/ proof for it's authenticy would also be on you.   J You have been asking people who generally being dependent on being in goodK standing with the company for their livelyhood to risk that on the basis of , a VERBAL statement of an unnamed individual.  G > Even Hoff has stated he agrees with my statements about Compaq saying  transfer of  > licenses is not a big deal.   L He has also referred you to contact the official channels as this discussion& has gone outside of his job functions.  I > 2) what about all those FREE sets given out at DECUS events WITHOUT any  NDA, with noJ > restrictions? Several people on this list have already admitted (or been	 found) to . > have received these at one point or another.  G That may or may not help if there was a court case against a person who F loaned their source listing to someone else.  A court case can be veryL expensive and the outcome could go either way.  Who really wants to test the system?   L > 3) Compaq has stated since I have a set (in whatever format) and the other
 person hasL > a CD set, they can feel free to LOAN me (or sell, rent, whatever) their CD set withE > absolutely no problems. Both people have a license, so that's not a  problem.  K Again, as you said, that is a VERBAL statement that is not confirmed by any J WRITTEN statement and unless you can get an offical WRITTEN statement from them, it will not hold up.  F > Again, if anyone has the slightest problem with any of this, contact Compaq. It's notL > going to kill you, if you're really feel like it. And, no, they won't give out F > anything in writing (they can't for reasons that should be obvious).  F Not putting it in writing means that the corporation can deny grantingA verbal permission, making any legal action by them much stronger.   H If you think the source license is too expensive, get an estimate from aB Lawyer of the legal exposure you are asking someone to commit too.  9 Even if you are correct, proving it could be very costly.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:58:48 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>   Subject: is montagar down again?' Message-ID: <39A7BF5E.810B2D8B@vrx.net>   H I've been trying to reach it since yesterday, and can't bring up the web site.    B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:12:43 +0200 2 From: Alessandro Prete <ale@mail.polial.polito.it>' Subject: Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M48 5 Message-ID: <39A78A0B.512AFE72@mail.polial.polito.it>u   Brian Tillman wrote:   > Ale wrote: >iI > >When I wrote "Think Free" I was thinking something like "to be free too > thinkO, > >different", not only "free = at no cost",B > >probably it should be better if I'd write "Think Different" :-) >rN > Perhaps if you had used the correct phrase ("Think Freely") there would haveF > been no error in interpretation.  Your suggested replacement is alsoG > grammatically incorrect.  "Think Differently" is what you should say.P > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.combC > Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comt? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventy> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company  N As you can see, I don't know english very well, thanks for your suggestion :-)   Cheers,      AleA   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:43:26 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>' Subject: Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M48e+ Message-ID: <VA.000000ac.0544b978@sture.ch>u  A In article <0033000003192923000002L032*@MHS>, William Webb wrote:l, > From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmso) > Subject: Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M48w' > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:06:08 -0500e >  >  > Hi,aD > Does anybody know what is the meaning of the 8 LEDs placed  in the% > rearward of a VAXStation 3100 M48 ?e
 > Thanks ! >bC According to page 7-29 of the fine manual below, you will find the  F cryptic comment: "Eight recessed diagnostic lights on the back of the H system unit may come on when you turn on the system (Figure 7-2). Write E down the status of these lights. Your service representative may ask l% you to describe which lights are on."h  F Hmm, that sounds as though the info is probably buried in H/w service  manuals. > C >      I put the VAXstation 3100 Model 76 Owner's Guide on-line at:  > < >      http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/DOC-i.html > A >      The 48 isn't quite the same as the 76 but they have enough	5 >      in common that you might find it to be of use.  > E Many thanks for putting that online. It's just told me how to switch n3 between the two network outlets on my "new" M38 :-)a ___8
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:49:24 GMTg4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)? Subject: Re: Minor Nit In OpenVMS ALPHA Version of SHUTDOWN.COM ' Message-ID: <ULJp5.413$%6.10445@insync>e  3 Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote:- : U : In article <8o69u6$21j$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:eH : :The OpenVMS ALPHA version of SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM has "Standalone"* : :as the default reason for the shutdown: : :p& : :   Reason for shutdown [Standalone] : :.H : :but OpenVMS ALPHA no longer has a "Standalone" backup, per the output : :from STABACKIT.COM: : M :   Ok, I'll propose that "Standalone" means "Standalone System Operations", 0K :   and quite obviously this has nothing to do with that Standalone BACKUP vK :   stuff.  (Problem solved. :-) I can pass this proposal to the technical t9 :   writers, unless you can suggest a better alternative.d :   D Or "Booting into single user mode", since that's a familiar term to @ unix sysadmins, although it may not be performed the same way as booting OpenVMS from the CD.    / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidR2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2000 08:50:10 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson):- Subject: Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?r* Message-ID: <8o8ee2$7pg$1@lisa.gemair.com>  9 In article <39a6f538$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>, -  <yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net> wrote:g5 >In <spqk458487v104@corp.supernews.com>, on 08/25/00 GC >   at 06:37 PM, "Jim Jennis" <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> said:a >  > H >Isn't WRQ the symbol for what used to be/is Wind River Systems?  If so, >the library is Zinc.  >   G No, I don't think so.  WRQ has been known by WRQ for years.  Their name.C used to be Walker R.. Q... (I can't remember, which is probably whya  they simplified it to just WRQ.)  G I didn't know that they had a UI toolkit.  I was always quite impressed @ with their X-Windows Server for Windows and their Telnet client, Reflection.i   >Rolanda >    -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.coma   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2000 10:01:23 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson),- Subject: Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ? * Message-ID: <8o8ijj$bel$1@lisa.gemair.com>  8 In article <lrffqsk9an5v62bohgdnq8jmvd6mh29op6@4ax.com>,& Andy Burns  <news@burns.uk.net> wrote: >Jordan Henderson wrote: >_ >=2 >>WRQ has been known by WRQ for years.  Their nameE >>used to be Walker R.. Q... (I can't remember, which is probably whyn" >>they simplified it to just WRQ.) >  >Walker Richer & Quin(n) ....o >tD But, they did change their name to just WRQ a few years back, right?  E I seem to remember receiving a splashy announcement of this fact whend I was a Reflection customer. >e >--  >Andy Burnsl   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.comt   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2000 09:43:25 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) " Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?* Message-ID: <8o8hht$aau$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ' In article <39A7357A.8E713045@ev1.net>,-+ Charles Richmond  <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:  >Duane Sand wrote: >> D- >>      [snip...]     [snip...]     [snip...]a >> AL >> Yes, Bell's interview says that DEC's plan to eliminate all product linesD >> except for VAXes and low-end PDP-11 came from him, well after VAX; >> was introduced; it came to him during a Tahiti vacation.- >> jM >Now all the 36-bitters from DEC know who to blame for the rape of the 36-bit N >line.  Or maybe they already knew...I thought I detected some negativity fromL >that group when Gordon Bell was discussed.  Certainly I was disappointed inK >Bell when I heard this...seems he stabbed a lot of 36-bit customers in theb0 >back and lost a lot of paying business for DEC. >r  F I can't speak to this specific incident (the abandonment of all lines B except VAX and certain PDP-11s), but there was a discussion thread@ in comp.os.vms awhile back with people assigning various groups G (the IBM people who came in in the late 70's/early 80's, the Honeywell  4 people, etc.  etc. etc.) for DEC's ultimate decline.  ? C'mon people, that's lazy thinking.  That's exactly the kind ofe@ thinking that says that the neighborhood declined after <fill in? your favorite group here> moved in.  It's scapegoating and it'se% easy and it's almost certainly wrong..  > Remember, it was Ken Olsen who said that nobody would possibly@ want a computer at home.  And now we see that it was Gordon Bell> who narrowed the product lines down to the point that DEC was < inflexible to the point that they were unable to change when the market and technology did.  9 Ken Olsen and Gordon Bell were hardly newcomers to DEC.  i  = Personally, I think what killed DEC was arrogance.  They had V? been so successful with the "DEC way of doing things" that they < simply could not adjust their thinking to a new marketplace.  : Problem is, they really misidentified what the "DEC way of9 doing things" actually was.  DECs success wasn't built onl6 increased focus, but rather with chaos, with Engineers7 free to build the absolute best products without regardi for some broad strategic plan.  ; DEC became a company that felt that competition with itselfp9 was a bad thing, when their success was built upon havingt8 multiple overlapping product lines.  I'm concerned that 9 Compaq also has this mindset that they won't compete withg7 themselves.  IIRC, a Compaq person even said as much ata a DECUS conference awhile back.    >-- @ >+-------------------------------------------------------------+@ >|     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   |@ >+-------------------------------------------------------------+   -Jordan Hendersonn jordan@greenapple.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:44:37 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> " Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?( Message-ID: <8o8ofo$i7o$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message$ news:8o8hht$aau$1@lisa.gemair.com...   ...D  G > I can't speak to this specific incident (the abandonment of all lines D > except VAX and certain PDP-11s), but there was a discussion threadA > in comp.os.vms awhile back with people assigning various groupsuH > (the IBM people who came in in the late 70's/early 80's, the Honeywell6 > people, etc.  etc. etc.) for DEC's ultimate decline. >uA > C'mon people, that's lazy thinking.  That's exactly the kind ofeB > thinking that says that the neighborhood declined after <fill inA > your favorite group here> moved in.  It's scapegoating and it'sh' > easy and it's almost certainly wrong.   E Or it could be your own analysis that's lazy.  The fact is that DEC'seG approach to product direction changed significantly over a brief period$J during the early '80s from a largely bottom-up approach to a top-down one.H This coincided with and/or closely followed continuing rapid growth, theF appearance of VAX/VMS, and the influx of a large number of people fromL Honeywell, IBM, and likely other identifiable sources I can't remember - all< of which I suspect played some role in the direction change.   >y@ > Remember, it was Ken Olsen who said that nobody would possibly > want a computer at home.  L At a time, IIRC, when this was pretty unequivocably true.  It's too bad thatK this specific instance of non-prescience (shared by most of the rest of therH industry, IIRC - Apple was 'way too small to be a noticeable part of theI industry back then, and didn't IBM initially develop the PC primarily for J business use?) clings so conspicuously to a man whose accomplishments (and$ earlier vision) were so significant.  (   And now we see that it was Gordon Bell? > who narrowed the product lines down to the point that DEC was_> > inflexible to the point that they were unable to change when  > the market and technology did.  L A generalization which does not seem to apply to the point under discussion:H the market and technology changes that DEC failed to follow (or, better,G lead) were not in directions that the 36-bit machines would have helpedw address.   >,9 > Ken Olsen and Gordon Bell were hardly newcomers to DEC.e  K No, but they were increasingly working with intermediate levels of managersoC who *were* relative newcomers, which is why I suspect that imported'L mind-sets may have played a part.  Both Olsen and Bell were *used* to takingL input from the people who reported to them:  it was the inclination of thoseJ people to do the same with their own reports (and so on recursively) whichJ changed, at a time when the size of DEC made it increasingly difficult for> lower-level contributors to influence Olsen and Bell directly.  F That said, I can agree whole-heartedly with the rest of your comments.   - bill   >r> > Personally, I think what killed DEC was arrogance.  They hadA > been so successful with the "DEC way of doing things" that theya> > simply could not adjust their thinking to a new marketplace. > < > Problem is, they really misidentified what the "DEC way of; > doing things" actually was.  DECs success wasn't built one8 > increased focus, but rather with chaos, with Engineers9 > free to build the absolute best products without regardi  > for some broad strategic plan. >a= > DEC became a company that felt that competition with itselfo; > was a bad thing, when their success was built upon having 9 > multiple overlapping product lines.  I'm concerned thath; > Compaq also has this mindset that they won't compete withD9 > themselves.  IIRC, a Compaq person even said as much atn! > a DECUS conference awhile back.i >i > >--eB > >+-------------------------------------------------------------+B > >|     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   |B > >+-------------------------------------------------------------+ >  > -Jordan Hendersoni > jordan@greenapple.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:43:27 +0100d  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: run *.com+ Message-ID: <VA.000000ad.0544bb4e@sture.ch>h  1 In article <8o6cv0$6hn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  wrote:t > From: byatesiii@my-deja.com  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsI > Subject: Re: run *.com% > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:13:08 GMTt > 8 > In article <8o67gf$48a$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,( >   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: > > ? > > In article <8o6558$qtp$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>, FAZEKAS Mihalye% > <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu> writes: H > > :How can i simply run all .COM file in current (or spec.) directory? > >tJ > >   As this is a rather unusual request, what are you really up to here? > > I > Ha Ha! Reminds me of when I was training a new junior technical person, H > who wanted to run each .COM in our pos_com directory, just to see what
 > they did!!!e > K That reminds of the tale about a senior operator who was sent off on a VMS  A Systems Management course. When he got back, he thought he'd try iJ NETCONFIG.COM, just as his course notes described. Of course, that does a  PURGE KNOWN OBJECTS ALL...  J Soon repaired, thought the system manager. But that incident came back to G bite several times over the next few months as various bits of kit got u- powered off, then couldn't do a MOP download.i ___.
 Paul Sture Switzerlando   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 05:41:01 +0100o  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>? Subject: Re: Upgrade path from VMS 6.1 for my "New" uVAX 3100 ? + Message-ID: <VA.000000aa.02e64263@sture.ch>s  J In article <8o6ub9$7op$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:4 > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms A > Subject: Re: Upgrade path from VMS 6.1 for my "New" uVAX 3100 ?a  > Date: 25 Aug 2000 23:09:29 GMT >  > P > In article <VA.000000a9.000fdb28@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:J > :I know I'm just being a bit lazy asking this, but does anyone know off = > :the top of their heads what the upgrade path to V7.2-1 is?h > J >   Um, I know I could be called lazy for mentioning this :-), but please 7 >   check the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ).s > 1 ROFLMAO! I _really_ asked for that, didn't I? :-)h  K >   In the August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ, you will find a section CE >   with (freshly-updated) OpenVMS upgrade path information included.  > 2 >   Notes:  1: there is no V7.2-1 for OpenVMS VAX.I >           2: The FAQ has details of a "wrinkle" lurking in the upgrade pH >              path specifically from OpenVMS VAX V6.1 to later OpenVMS F >              VAX releases, and the information you need to avoid it. > K Thanks for that. Otherwise I might have picked an older version of the FAQ.d __M Paul Sture ...soon to show the world what lousy code I can write... ooh-er...p Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:34:53 -0700e- From: Randy Winfrey <dnsrw@ccvms.concord.edu>e1 Subject: Re: X terminals that speak DECnet or LAT 9 Message-ID: <17599f0b.a6edf5fe@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com>l  : According to NCD, their NC900 series will work with DECnet and LAT.   Thanks to all responders.o   Randye               * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifult   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.477 ************************From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>   Subject: is montagar down again?' Message-ID: <39A7BF5E.810B2D8B@vrx.net>   H I've been trying to reach it since yesterday, and can't bring up the web site.    B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:12:43 +0200 2 From: Alessandro Prete <ale@mail.polial.polito.it>' Subject: Re: LEDs & VAXStation 3100 M48 5 Message-