1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 28 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 481       Contents: Re: ??== DCPS 1.8 available.5 ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file. 9 Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file. * Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ* Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ RE: carl lydick  Re: carl lydick $ Re: Convert question - DCPS printing$ Re: Convert question - DCPS printing7 Re: DCPS Wish List (was Re: DCPS and PCL only printers) & Re:Dec's failing to get the PC market. Re: DHCP server  Re: DHCP server  Re: DHCP server  Dilog DQ132 tape controller  Re: Dilog DQ132 tape controller 7 Re: FAQ updates (was: Re: how to connect to NTP server)  Fujitsu SMD disks  Goodbye VAX 2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD IMAP-Server for VMS? Re: IMAP-Server for VMS? Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?( IO CONECT NLPDRIVER = sysman-e-badvector, Re: IO CONECT NLPDRIVER = sysman-e-badvector, RE: IO CONECT NLPDRIVER = sysman-e-badvector Re: MEMORY LEAK DETECTION ?  Re: MEMORY LEAK DETECTION ?  Re: Pathworks for VMS & Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100& Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100" Please Read This Important Message$ Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ? RE: Powered by VMS Re: Powered by VMS Re: Powered by VMS Re: printer queue problems Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Removal from NT client Re: Removal from NT client; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? 
 Re: run *.com  Security/Auditing question% RE: VMS as real time operating system = Re: VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,...  VMS DNS questions  Re: VMS DNS questions  Where can I get TLB files?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:14:36 +0000 - From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> % Subject: Re: ??== DCPS 1.8 available. . Message-ID: <39AA73CC.DD9F9769@fsi.net.mapson>   Paul Anderson wrote: > 5 > In article <uX+DsI2j$2VG@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, F > Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: > 926-3515) wrote: > = > > OK, I just found the SPD and see that, besides GENICOM an D > > Digital/Compaq printers, a variety of HP LaserJets and TektronixD > > Phaser printers are supported. Xerox doesn't appear in the list.6 > > Given my experience (see above), I'd avoid them... > J > If anyone has suggestions for printers to add to the DCPS-supported list1 > for the next version, please send them to me at  >  >    paul.r.anderson@compaq.com   ? That's easy - review the latest CDW catalog (or any provider of D high-capacity, "data center" type printers), and be sure you supportG anything that might conceivably be found in a data center where OpenVMS  must co-exist with W/NT, etc.    Wish list item:   A The current table of supported printers seems to be hard-coded in A DCPS$SMB. This should be made external and expandable, preferably " dynamically reloadable, as needed.   Maybe for V2.0, huh?   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:00:30 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)> Subject: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file.D Message-ID: <aus-2808001500300001@wvia71.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  > Is it possible to produce a Postscript disk file with DCPS andA subsequently print this PS file as a part of the ANSI coded file?    In our case, I would like to:   M 1) generate a PS file with our letterhead using the Triumvirate SoftFont, and G 2) insert this PS letterhead, at DCPS print time, in the otherwise ANSI  coded letters.   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:26:19 -0400 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>B Subject: Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file.D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000828092619.01505910@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hello Hans,   H We do not use DPCS, but I know this is possible with other packages. ForH example, for years we did this using All-in-one/WPSPLUS and ScriptServer= print server from Graymatter Software on our OpenVMS cluster.   1 I imagine the same principles would apply to DPCS    Regards,   Jim   ' At 03:00 PM 8/28/2000 +0100, you wrote: ? >Is it possible to produce a Postscript disk file with DCPS and B >subsequently print this PS file as a part of the ANSI coded file? >  >In our case, I would like to: > N >1) generate a PS file with our letterhead using the Triumvirate SoftFont, andH >2) insert this PS letterhead, at DCPS print time, in the otherwise ANSI >coded letters.  >  >-- C >Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de  > 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems  Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235  Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com          jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 16:01:24 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ 6 Message-ID: <8oe2ck$93b$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  k In article <buDp5.475$M62.182077@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes: I :Normally I just access the copy of the OpenVMS FAQ available via http on F :eisner, however it's out of date.  Where can one find the August 2000 :edition on the web? : * :In other words where does it really live?  J   The FAQ lives in the OpenVMS source code control library, right next to L   the OpenVMS source code.  Really.  As this location is not known for being   generally accessable...   N   Assuming you didn't snag a copy from the newsgroups, you can acquire copies N   at the pointers at the top of the FAQ (though I need to get the archives at M   MIT updated to host all five parts) and (probably most easily) at deja.com.   J   I don't presently provide the HTML version of the FAQ -- the conversion I   work is underway.  After my next delivery of copious spare time, I will H   probably end up reformatting the FAQ into a document that can provide G   output in any of various formats -- though the "pagination" used for  L   posting the FAQ to the newsgroups is an interesting (and manual) process, A   and I'm not particularly sure how to automate that right now...   F   The HTML copies at various sites are being updated, and there is an J   internal (within Compaq) distribution involved with the conversion over H   to HTML and out to the FTP area on the external website.  (Getting theL   master copy for that internal distribution updated has caused me to smack H   into an OpenVMS bug (grumble), which has slowed things down somewhat.)  J   I do need to go check the rtfm archives at MIT, to see what happened to H   the reporting missing parts of the FAQ -- I'm slowly working to split K   off the VAX and Alpha hardware information into its own section and then  -   potentially (eventually?) into its own FAQ.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 16:26:15 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ 6 Message-ID: <8oe3r7$93b$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  d In article <39a980c7.149321571@news.telocity.com>, StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) writes:G :Thank you for the update.  Is there not a version (non-HTML) available ! :on any DEC^H^H^HCompaq server?     .   On a Compaq Server?  Not yet.  Use deja.com.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:11:48 -0400 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: carl lydickK Message-ID: <D7E0F3C94377D311A24A00805F19D0EE52A68E@MBCALBEXC04.BENDER.COM>    One webpointer on the web..   1 http://alumni.caltech.edu/~vance/carl_lydick.html    :) jck   > -----Original Message-----. > From: andekl@saaf.se [mailto:andekl@saaf.se]) > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:07 AM  > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  > Subject: Re: carl lydick >=20 >=20> > barbara trumpinski-roberts <kittent@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote: >=20@ > > i don't know from vax.vms but i just thought i would come=20
 > in here and B > > remind you guys that carl 'speaker-to-minerals' lydick died=20
 > 4 years ago  > > yesterday. > >=20, > > so raise a glass and toast his memory... > >=20 >=20& > Is the Eternal Flame still burning ?9 > There was a web site with that title dedicated to Carl. D > I lost my bookmarks when I got a new computer, so I can't find it. >=20 > --=20 H > * Anders Ekl=F6f        * Phone: + 46 8581 74712  * "I blame you for = * F > * Glimmerstigen 46    * e-mail: ae@radfys.ks.se * the moonlit sky" *H > * S-196 33 KUNGS=C4NGEN *     or  andekl@saaf.se  *       ----       = * F > * SWEDEN              *                         *   Tasmin Archer  * >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:23:42 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>  Subject: Re: carl lydick+ Message-ID: <39AA920E.5125597F@hsc.vcu.edu>   & had it really been that long??????????   Jim   ! barbara trumpinski-roberts wrote:  > G > i don't know from vax.vms but i just thought i would come in here and I > remind you guys that carl 'speaker-to-minerals' lydick died 4 years ago  > yesterday. > * > so raise a glass and toast his memory... >  > hugs,  >  > kitten > : > /\ /\   'ah, but you don't have to know everything.  you; > {=.=}   just have to know where to find it.' john brunner 8 >   ~     kittent@uiuc.edu             _shockwave rider_8 >         http://members.tripod.com/~barbarakitten smotu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:26:50 +0200 , From: "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl.rayon@wanadoo.fr>- Subject: Re: Convert question - DCPS printing % Message-ID: <8od0r9$rnd$1@wanadoo.fr>   J You can use the TECO editor, just edit the file and exit, a new version of2 the vile is created with a normal variable format.G  (The teco exit command is ex folowed by two <Escape> echoed as a "$".)  example: $edit/teco <vfc-filename>  *ex$$      --        Jean-Luc RAYON     La Couronne C.E.P.A.P           B.P. 14       16400 La Couronne  http://www.lacouronne.com   jl.rayon@lacouronne.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:13:39 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>- Subject: Re: Convert question - DCPS printing 2 Message-ID: <8od4bb$9s3$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>   Merci Jean-Luc ! Thanks, but ... D The global format of the file can be changed with several utilities,E but they do NOT interpret the values put in the header of the record. > The first byte indicates what to do before printing the recordC (such as "skip n lines") ; the second what to do after. The problem @ was to generate a new file containing new lines corresponding to the carriage control specs.  Amitis 
 Jean-Franois     7 "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl.rayon@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message  news:8od0r9$rnd$1@wanadoo.fr... L > You can use the TECO editor, just edit the file and exit, a new version of4 > the vile is created with a normal variable format.I >  (The teco exit command is ex folowed by two <Escape> echoed as a "$".) 
 > example: > $edit/teco <vfc-filename>  > *ex$$  >  >  > -- >        Jean-Luc RAYON  >    La Couronne C.E.P.A.P >           B.P. 14  >      16400 La Couronne >  http://www.lacouronne.com >   jl.rayon@lacouronne.com  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:45:08 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>@ Subject: Re: DCPS Wish List (was Re: DCPS and PCL only printers)C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-0BAE32.11450828082000@news.compaq.com>   B In article <39A5DE41.5E81AC7D@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" $ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  E > Sounds like what we need is TRN$*_PCL.EXE. See the contents of the  ' > "B" saveset in a recent DCPS release.   I So much of what DCPS does is based on PostScript, this would not be easy   to do.   Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 28 Aug 00 08:21:25 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com / Subject: Re:Dec's failing to get the PC market. + Message-ID: <8odi69$ncg$2@bob.news.rcn.net>   , In article <39A6C0DB.BCFFF913@jetnet.ab.ca>,/    Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:   6 >I think the reason DEC lost the PC market, is because6 >they stopped thinking in terms of computer components >and just in computer systems.  6 Nope.  Not at all.  The reason DEC lost in all markets4 is that it didn't consider software as important as 3 hardware when designs and architectures were begun.    >When Dec entered the computerI >market it made logic modules.Any company/school could buy the components I >and make a computer,they wanted. In the 70's the same thing happend with H >the microprocessors, you could build a system you wanted.Dec could sell= >you a system but buy a PDP-XX chip never.IBM got into the PC < >market with their APPLE II - clone (BASIC-16kb-tape) simply: >because business users knew that they could have reliableB >computer because IBM ( at a hefty fee) would be around to service' >their computers and keep them running.   < One of the reasons that DEC did very well (when it did well): was the the customer could own his hardware and do with it what he wanted.      /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2000 18:16:43 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: DHCP server* Message-ID: <39aa906b$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Q In article <8oe2e1$btp$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes: N >In article <39A932C8.6FCD@adldata.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes:> >>VMS tcpip 5.0A includes a DHCP server but not a DHCP client. >  >Where?   # In the implementation of course ;-)    $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$CONFIG  	Menu 3 - Server components  	  Menu 17 - DHCP  	    enable it+ and then look in SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$DHCP]   K Note: DHCP and BOOTP servers are mutually exclusive. Enabling DHCP disables J the BOOTP server and asks you if you want to include the BOOTP config dataD into the DHCP config (DHCP server then delivers both functionality).   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 16:02:09 GMT# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu  Subject: Re: DHCP server+ Message-ID: <8oe2e1$btp$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>   M In article <39A932C8.6FCD@adldata.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes: = >VMS tcpip 5.0A includes a DHCP server but not a DHCP client.    Where?   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 16:34:17 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: DHCP server6 Message-ID: <8oe4a9$93b$5@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Q In article <8oe2e1$btp$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes: N :In article <39A932C8.6FCD@adldata.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes:> :>VMS tcpip 5.0A includes a DHCP server but not a DHCP client. :	 :Where?0  ?   This question approaches the theoretical limit for terseness.D  B   As for one answer to "Where?", you might want to take a look at:  O http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/72final/6526/6526profile_010.html#dhcp_chap   ;   TCP/IP Services V5.1 will likely include the DHCP client.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 09:10:32 GMT0 From: FAZEKAS Mihaly <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu>$ Subject: Dilog DQ132 tape controller, Message-ID: <8odaa8$lop$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>  " I have 2 of dq132 tape controller.> I'm already write a message to the DILOG Corp., but "i have" a' Fujitsu-like (no response) action. :(((e% Where can i find document from dq132?i  : These card at the current sw setup is working about TSV05.> But i want to use as TMSCP (i want to create bootable tape....* and i want to boot from created tape,....)  @ (i'm already have a Emulex qt13 with documentation, but i cannot> create bootable tape... "magnetic tape position lost...", but 1 i can boot from an older (VMS 5.4) bootable tape)h   -- o  mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu Phone: 463-1966a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:27:59 -0400y+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>r( Subject: Re: Dilog DQ132 tape controller0 Message-ID: <39AA066F.CBF8E36@trailing-edge.com>   FAZEKAS Mihaly wrote:  > $ > I have 2 of dq132 tape controller.@ > I'm already write a message to the DILOG Corp., but "i have" a) > Fujitsu-like (no response) action. :((( ' > Where can i find document from dq132?M > < > These card at the current sw setup is working about TSV05.@ > But i want to use as TMSCP (i want to create bootable tape...., > and i want to boot from created tape,....)  C The DQ132 won't do TMSCP.  It just doesn't, and bugging Dilog abouteB making it do it is probably a pretty good way of making them think that you're an annoyance.:  B > (i'm already have a Emulex qt13 with documentation, but i cannot? > create bootable tape... "magnetic tape position lost...", bute3 > i can boot from an older (VMS 5.4) bootable tape)   @ The QT13 is the way to go for hooking a Pertec-formatted tape upA to a Q-bus as TMSCP, IMHO.  I've done it many times under VMS 5.5i
 and later.   Tim.   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 16:10:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)@ Subject: Re: FAQ updates (was: Re: how to connect to NTP server)6 Message-ID: <8oe2ua$93b$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  c In article <39a71dea.88045152@news.telocity.com>, StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) writes:t+ :Seems pretty sad that the MIT site is moren" :up to date than the OpenVMS site.  K   The OpenVMS website gets the (in progress) HTML version of the FAQ, whilel   the MIT gets the text format.   J   The internal-to-Compaq distribution of the FAQ was delayed to to a brainK   cramp (on my part; I forgot to copy a file), and (when I remembered) theneM   ran afoul of a system upgrade which uncovered a latent OpenVMS bug, and my  6   looking into bug itself has delayed things slightly.  I   The MIT RTFM site simply scans for FAQs in the answers newgroup.  As I iI   mentioned in another posting, I've been told that a couple of sections nF   are missing at the MIT RTFM archives, and I need to check into that.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 09:00:25 GMT0 From: FAZEKAS Mihaly <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu> Subject: Fujitsu SMD disks, Message-ID: <8od9n9$kb8$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>  < I have 2 of Fujitsu M2361A and 4 of M2381/2382 type SMD hdd./ Where can i find documentation from these hdds?-< (I'm alredy write a message to the Fujitsu, but no response)   -- i  mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu Phone: 463-1966o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:15:26 GMT9 From: erber@my-deja.comu Subject: Goodbye VAX) Message-ID: <8odl4k$v19$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   	 Bad news:i   best regards   Jakobx  > ______________________________________________________________    Last order dates for VAX systems  / VAX 4000, MicroVAX 3100 - 88 and 3100-98 modelsa    @ VAX 4000, MicroVAX 3100-88, and MicroVAX 3100-98 systems and allF associated options are being retired. Limited supply will be supported# on a first come, first serve basis.   # Last order date: September 30, 2000I  ! Last ship date: December 31, 2000l      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:38:45 -0400t From: Dan <beyonder@vrx.net>; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDG& Message-ID: <39A96034.2AA7844@vrx.net>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:-  N > You can generally only use a verbal modification to a written policy, if youK > can prove that a named employee made them.  If you can not get that named-M > employee to directly testify on your behalf in court, you would need at themJ > least an unbiased witness.  If you have a voice recording, the burden of1 > proof for it's authenticy would also be on you.    Then call them yourself! record the conversation.	 whatever.s  L > You have been asking people who generally being dependent on being in goodM > standing with the company for their livelyhood to risk that on the basis of . > a VERBAL statement of an unnamed individual.   Then call them yourself!  N > He has also referred you to contact the official channels as this discussion( > has gone outside of his job functions.  H I did. and this is what they TOLD ME: it's far better to contact someone directly than go through them.  I > That may or may not help if there was a court case against a person who H > loaned their source listing to someone else.  A court case can be veryN > expensive and the outcome could go either way.  Who really wants to test the	 > system?y   Then call Compaq yourself!  M > Again, as you said, that is a VERBAL statement that is not confirmed by anyeL > WRITTEN statement and unless you can get an offical WRITTEN statement from > them, it will not hold up.  3 Sure it will. verbal contracts are legally binding.h call them yourself!e record the conversation.	 whatever.l  H > Not putting it in writing means that the corporation can deny grantingC > verbal permission, making any legal action by them much stronger.l  	 not true.o' call them yourself, verify it yourself.   J > If you think the source license is too expensive, get an estimate from aD > Lawyer of the legal exposure you are asking someone to commit too. >t; > Even if you are correct, proving it could be very costly.   * No, it would take one phone call from you. which is very cheap.   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:51:22 -0400h From: Dan <beyonder@vrx.net>; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDe' Message-ID: <39A9632A.BE612C54@vrx.net>    Tim Shoppa wrote:t  = > I'm no fan of Mitnick's, but as I understand it his "social E > engineering" was a bit more smooth than the whining and complainingo > that we see here :-).m   Whining and complaining, no.- Calling you a bunch of jerks and idiots, yes.e  
 Happy now?   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:55:28 -0400e From: Dan <beyonder@vrx.net>; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD-' Message-ID: <39A9641F.EF93365C@vrx.net>-   Paul Sture wrote:   O > Yet again, you are ignoring the recommendations of those who _do_ have access-E > to the listings, and still say that the I&DS is the best way to go.l  " That doesn't contain the listings. so it's NOT the best way to go.h- Is the I&DS on CD? No, it's not. it's a book.n$ again, two strikes against you here.M And since I haven't seen the CD listings I'd have to say you are wrong again.)& that's three strikes, get out of here!  O > So you've got the fiche, and you didn't mind if it was as old as 3.1. Now you F > want it on CD? Not just want, but INSIST YOU MUST HAVE IT, FOR FREE!  " I never said for free. Stop LYING!  M > I _could_ I suppose get my employers to provide me with what you are askingaJ > for, and, if I justified it properly, they would gladly pay whatever theL > going rate is. Trouble is, I really cannot justify that expense to myself,J > let alone my seniors. And, as I have learnt from my esteemed peers here,+ > that's not my best starting point anyway.h  @ Again you are twisting things, you are being outright dishonest.8 This is not what I asked for at all. But you don't care.> You have no interest in what I need, or what I'm trying to do.  = And you certainly have no interest in helping me, regardless.   N > Please tell us about this "one-time use project". We are dying to know about > it...'  G I have no need nor wish to further you with anything else with which to  post your twisted fantasies on.r  K > OTOH, your repeated insistence on having the thing on CD has been wearingiJ > thin for quite some time now. At first I thought you were a student in aA > quest for knowledge, but I see from your post of 22-June, that:a  K I am a student. Wearing thing only on morons like you who like nothing more0 than to be a jerk.  O > So you definitely aren't a "newbie", used to scouring Linux sources, which isiI > what I had initially thought of you, given your repeated insistence andS > having them.  > So I'm not a "newbie" does this conflict with being a student?A it certainly does not. here again you attempt to twist the truth.-  I > And then, there's your first post here that I have records of (6-April,eI > although the discussion started a little earlier), slagging off someone5L > called circuitsurgeon. That thread quickly degenerated into a rant on your > part too.r  $ It was not a rant, it was the truth.  C But I see now people like you have NO interest in the TRUTH at all.   O > Question: When did Mitnick get out of jail? Social engineering to get hold ofi- > source code sounds a familiar theme here...  > Paul Sture  : You know what, I'm sick you of and your uptight, stuck-up,$ snobbish, holier-than-thou attitude.  L You're an immature little child, you like nothing more than causing problemsN for others. You don't care about other people, what they need, or how they are4 just asking for help, trying to ask nicely about it.  I And jerks like you come along who have no interest except twisting thingst) to fit their weird little fantasy worlds.n  L I'm not going to win any friends over this, and maybe some other people willO side with you, I really don't care. As far as I'm concerned the more people whoiE want to think like you, the better, and you can all just go and stuffe yourselves.-   Grow up.   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:12:09 +0200 3 From: Matthias Koch <koch@bessel.mpip-mainz.mpg.de>  Subject: IMAP-Server for VMS?-8 Message-ID: <39AA3AF9.3A4ED32E@bessel.mpip-mainz.mpg.de>   Hi!0  @ I'm looking for an IMAP server for VMS. I know that there is oneD included in the CPQ Office Server 5, but I don't want to install the: huge package (and license it) just for having mail access.H I can't use POP any longer, because our network administrator closed theC port for security reasons (he had some trouble with POP on his Unixe
 machines).   Bye, Matthias   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 13:00:41 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)n! Subject: Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?e0 Message-ID: <8odnpp$rtc$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  n In article <39AA3AF9.3A4ED32E@bessel.mpip-mainz.mpg.de>, Matthias Koch <koch@bessel.mpip-mainz.mpg.de> writes:A >I'm looking for an IMAP server for VMS. I know that there is one E >included in the CPQ Office Server 5, but I don't want to install the ; >huge package (and license it) just for having mail access.dI >I can't use POP any longer, because our network administrator closed the D >port for security reasons (he had some trouble with POP on his Unix >machines).   M IMAP gibt es mit PMDF (gehoert seit neuestem zu SUN). Oder aber mit Multinet. : Dessen IMAP-Server funktioniert, hat aber so seine Macken.   MfG.    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 13:03:58 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ! Subject: Re: IMAP-Server for VMS? 0 Message-ID: <8odnvu$rtc$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  n In article <39AA3AF9.3A4ED32E@bessel.mpip-mainz.mpg.de>, Matthias Koch <koch@bessel.mpip-mainz.mpg.de> writes:A >I'm looking for an IMAP server for VMS. I know that there is onetE >included in the CPQ Office Server 5, but I don't want to install thet; >huge package (and license it) just for having mail access.hI >I can't use POP any longer, because our network administrator closed theoD >port for security reasons (he had some trouble with POP on his Unix >machines).f  J Sorry for my previous post, it was meant as a direct mail. Anyway, here is the translation:  N PMDF, now owned by SUN, includes an IMAP-server. And Multinet has one as well.6 The latter is quite new and has still some minor bugs.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannm  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:05:54 -0300t1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>-1 Subject: IO CONECT NLPDRIVER = sysman-e-badvector2K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE973@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>s   Hi,   = 	When trying to install the Multinet NLPDRIVER we receive thesL following SYSMAN error.  Anybody have any idea why, this only happens on ourL Alpha machines, not on our Vaxen but this could obviously be due to the factH SYSGEN is used on a VAX to Connect Device drivers.  Why would we need to+ enter the vector information and address ?.N   Connect Command.( 	mc sysman io connect multinet:nlpdriver  3 > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node BAKUP1 E > -SYSMAN-E-BADVECTOR, insufficient/invalid device vector informations
 > supplied3 > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node BAKUP1B+ > -SYSTEM-F-IVBUFLEN, invalid buffer lengths >  Info:d- 	AlphaServer 4000 5/400 4MB - OpenVMS V7.1-2 LD 	Process Software MultiNet V4.2 Rev A-X, AlphaServer 4000 5/400 4MB, OpenVMS AXP V7.1-2 	  	4 TIA, Darren      F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andNJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they-L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingl of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaDF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:47:40 +0000a- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>s5 Subject: Re: IO CONECT NLPDRIVER = sysman-e-badvectorn. Message-ID: <39AA7B8C.48E6F219@fsi.net.mapson>   "Boyle, Darren" wrote: >  > Hi,  > F >         When trying to install the Multinet NLPDRIVER we receive theN > following SYSMAN error.  Anybody have any idea why, this only happens on ourN > Alpha machines, not on our Vaxen but this could obviously be due to the factJ > SYSGEN is used on a VAX to Connect Device drivers.  Why would we need to- > enter the vector information and address ?.h >  > Connect Command.1 >         mc sysman io connect multinet:nlpdrivert > 5 > > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node BAKUP1-G > > -SYSMAN-E-BADVECTOR, insufficient/invalid device vector information  > > supplied5 > > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node BAKUP1e- > > -SYSTEM-F-IVBUFLEN, invalid buffer lengthy > >h > Info:t5 >         AlphaServer 4000 5/400 4MB - OpenVMS V7.1-2sM >         Process Software MultiNet V4.2 Rev A-X, AlphaServer 4000 5/400 4MB,  > OpenVMS AXP V7.1-2  G Is there a reason why you're doiingthis outside of the Multinet startup. procedures?    David J. Dachterar   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:28:35 -0300u1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> 5 Subject: RE: IO CONECT NLPDRIVER = sysman-e-badvector K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE982@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>a  	 Hi David,m  : 	Only to reduce command procedure nesting, no real reason. Thanks,) Darren   > ----------- > From: 	SysAdmin[SMTP:djesys@fsi.net.mapson]1) > Reply To: 	djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapsona) > Sent: 	Monday, August 28, 2000 11:47 AM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 > Subject: 	Re: IO CONECT NLPDRIVER = sysman-e-badvector >  > "Boyle, Darren" wrote: > >  > > Hi,  > > H > >         When trying to install the Multinet NLPDRIVER we receive theL > > following SYSMAN error.  Anybody have any idea why, this only happens on > ouroK > > Alpha machines, not on our Vaxen but this could obviously be due to theu > factL > > SYSGEN is used on a VAX to Connect Device drivers.  Why would we need to/ > > enter the vector information and address ?.a > >  > > Connect Command.3 > >         mc sysman io connect multinet:nlpdriverb > > 7 > > > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node BAKUP1hI > > > -SYSMAN-E-BADVECTOR, insufficient/invalid device vector informationi > > > supplied7 > > > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node BAKUP1p/ > > > -SYSTEM-F-IVBUFLEN, invalid buffer lengthr > > >.	 > > Info: 7 > >         AlphaServer 4000 5/400 4MB - OpenVMS V7.1-2fJ > >         Process Software MultiNet V4.2 Rev A-X, AlphaServer 4000 5/400 > 4MB, > > OpenVMS AXP V7.1-2 > I > Is there a reason why you're doiingthis outside of the Multinet startup@
 > procedures?n >  > David J. Dachteraj >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and@J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingo of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:40:22 GMTM- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)r$ Subject: Re: MEMORY LEAK DETECTION ?. Message-ID: <sql1v6d4t9160@news.supernews.com>  C e.g.van.der.velde@gasunie.nl (Softwaregroep TB/GA Gasunie) wrote ina" <8o36he$85r$1@porthos.nl.uu.net>:   
 >Hi there, >iG >I have an application which shortly after running reaches his WSEXTENTe) >and has a rapidly decreasing  PAGFILCNT.-G >Obviously there is a memory leak in this application (which is written A >in C). Does anybody know a tool to watch the behaviour of memorysA >consumption of a C application. (i.e detection of a memory leak)6 >Any suggestions are welcome.  >. >h >Herman Behlling >n >i  L I remember a memory leak in the C runtime library having to do with logical E name translation.  If your program is doing significant logical name -F translation, you may have hit the same bug.  There's a patch for it - 
 somewhere.   ws   -- cJ << My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do I  >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:35:36 -0700_! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comX$ Subject: Re: MEMORY LEAK DETECTION ?C Message-ID: <OFA548E788.C8F3F1E0-ON88256949.00608D88@HEALTHNET.COM>3  J A long time ago LIB$SYS_TRNLOG had a memory leak. I'm told it's fixed now, maybe as early as VMS 7.1.   Shaner          A wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) on 08/28/2000 08:40:22 AMe   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma cc:.  % Subject:  Re: MEMORY LEAK DETECTION ?g    C e.g.van.der.velde@gasunie.nl (Softwaregroep TB/GA Gasunie) wrote in0! <8o36he$85r$1@porthos.nl.uu.net>:u
 >Hi there, > G >I have an application which shortly after running reaches his WSEXTENT@) >and has a rapidly decreasing  PAGFILCNT. G >Obviously there is a memory leak in this application (which is writtenyA >in C). Does anybody know a tool to watch the behaviour of memorytA >consumption of a C application. (i.e detection of a memory leak)t >Any suggestions are welcome.s >n >b >Herman Behlling >u >v  K I remember a memory leak in the C runtime library having to do with logicalnD name translation.  If your program is doing significant logical nameE translation, you may have hit the same bug.  There's a patch for it -i
 somewhere.   ws   --I << My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do IB >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:19:21 -0400a* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Pathworks for VMS- Message-ID: <39A9F659.F87FD181@tsoft-inc.com>d   Antony Wardle wrote: > 1 > I Think that the ones you are after are called:o > L > PQL_DWSDEFAULT               2096       1024        -1         -1 PageletsI >  internal value               131         64         0         -1 PagesnL > PQL_MWSDEFAULT               2096        512        -1         -1 PageletsI >  internal value               131         32        32         -1 PagesdL > PQL_DWSQUOTA                 4192       2048        -1         -1 Pagelets > D I >  internal value               262        128         0         -1 Pageso > D.L > PQL_MWSQUOTA                 4192       1024        -1         -1 Pagelets > DoI >  internal value               262         64        64         -1 Pagest > DrL > PQL_DWSEXTENT               30000      16384        -1         -1 Pagelets > DcI >  internal value              1875       1024         0         -1 Pagesf > DtL > PQL_MWSEXTENT               30000       2048        -1         -1 Pagelets > De >  > D(efault) W(orking) S(et)n > M(ax) W(orking) S(et)v  L I believe the PQL_M* parameters are MINIMUM values.  Make these big, and you will cause some problems.c  J Had a customer that thought she was going to improve performance.  Set theM minimum working set default to some hugh number, and the system groaned, theng belched.   Dave   -- s4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:23:30 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>/ Subject: Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 31000- Message-ID: <39A9F752.C0232682@tsoft-inc.com>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Roger Woodward wrote:- > [snip] > > KA41-0 V1.03 > >v2 > > F_..E...D...C...  and so on to ...3...2_..1... > >n > > ? C 0080 0000.4001 > D > Were you getting this before? My uVAX 3100 does this normally. The7 > single "?" means the error will not prevent autoboot.e >  > > 83 BOOT SYSO > > -DKB700- > [snip] > I > Um, I'd try to get your system disk OFF of SCSI Id. 7, especially sincehJ > the SCSI controller itself is Id. 6. Having the disk at a higher Id thanH > the controller may be a problem, from the little I know of SCSI. I may > be wrong about that, though.  P From the little I know about SCSI buses, ID 7 has the highest priority, ID 0 theL lowest.  There may be times when you want a device to have a higher priorityO that the computer/interface/controller.  This is a bit of a streach, but I seemiN to remember something about DMA from tape, doesn't make sense now, getting too old.   Dave   -- i4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Aug 2000 16:24:56 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100d6 Message-ID: <8oe3oo$93b$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ^ In article <xCeq5.23540$Sc.672633@stones>, "Roger Woodward" <rogerw@autogrouper.co.uk> writes: :ive got a microvax 3100...uL :The machine siezed up with hyroglyphical chars streaming on one line on theL :terminal and no input seemingly possible either via the keyboard or accrossL :a network connection. Having let it cool down completely I switched it back
 :on and... :  :On boot I get the following:  :y :KA41-0 V1.0  G   That looks to be a very old MicroVAX 3100, probably a model 10 or 20.nG   Please see the FAQ for some important information on the system disk i'   maximum capacity limits for this box.d  / :F_..E...D...C...  and so on to ...3...2_..1...e :e :? C 0080 0000.4001w  G   I'd guess (I don't have the manual handy) that this is a failure withtE   the serial controller.  That said, the ? indicates a minor problem,cG   and not something that will usually interfere with normal operations.sC   The use of ??, on the other hand, indicates a more nasty problem.g   :83 BOOT SYS	 :-DKB700-r : # :then some standard boot info untila :hB :The VAX/VMS system is now executing the system startup procedure.H :SYSGEN-W-OPENIN error opening STS$COMMON.[SYSEXE]ZSDRIVER.EXE as input.  F   Its been upgraded, and you have a widget that requires a driver that4   you do not have loaded.  It can be safely ignored.  K :Then further display is in hyroglyphics (u umlauts, backwards ?, A umlautsl :etc) and nothing resonds.  H   That would look like you have the wrong speed set on a terminal, or a E   terminal that is simply too slow to respond (smooth scroll, or justiB   plan slow), or (often) a terminal with a slaved printer enabled.  D   Which port are you plugged into?  (See the FAQ for some details on/   various console port configuration settings.)a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:22:52 -0400 (EDT)-$ From: Real Help <besbiz2000@aol.com>+ Subject: Please Read This Important Messagem- Message-ID: <0FZZ00E53WQ1VF@mx.east.saic.com>S  < Thank you for taking a moment to read this message. 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I look forward to our mutual success!g   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:15:42 -0400t0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>- Subject: Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?fD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000828061542.009dd450@discovery.fuentez.com>  H No...WRQ is Walker, Ritchie, Quinn (a large software company in Seattle,C WA) Their most famous product is probably Reflections/Reflections-Xl terminal emulation software.   Regards,   Jimm  ' At 06:37 PM 8/25/2000 -0400, you wrote:-5 >In <spqk458487v104@corp.supernews.com>, on 08/25/00 iC >   at 06:37 PM, "Jim Jennis" <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> said:i >  > H >Isn't WRQ the symbol for what used to be/is Wind River Systems?  If so, >the library is Zinc.t >n >Roland. >.2 >>"bz" <bernd.zebedin@arcs.ac.at> wrote in message& >>news:399D073A.D05B0FB2@arcs.ac.at...J >>> I am looking for a mature Tool for development of cross-platform GUIs,L >>> that can be run without major modifications both under OpenVMS and under >>> Windows-NT.jK >>> I have tested the VMS-port of Qt, but it seems to be faulty. Has anyonesH >>> experience with porting Java-GUI-applications to VMS or with the ISAG >>> Dialog Manager  or with any other multi-platform toolkit supporting  >>> OpenVMS? >>>r  >>> Grateful for any advice, bz. >>Hi VMS Colleagues, >lC >>I faced this problem in a major integration effort with VMS in my B >>previous job (and also with our current customers) and found the? >>availability of good mature tools for VMS to be very lacking.cJ >>Nevertheless I did find a very solid solution, and it MAY be of interestF >>to others on the list so I decided to post the solution we have used >>here.i >vJ >>For cross platform VMS application development and integration, we use a% >>product from WRQ called Verastream.  >f) >>http://www.wrq.com/products/verastream// > ? >>It is a very powerful, mature object oriented cross-platform,AD >>cross-database gui/application development tool kit. Runs on 25-30J >>different OS's (including OVMS and even OS/400) supports 25-30 differentH >>databases and about a dozen different inter-application communications >>protocols. >nF >>It generates platform independent code that is REALLY write once runG >>anywhere (unlike Java which is usually "write once test everywhere").s >.6 >>We use it on OVMS, Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, NT, 95/98. >tK >>You can generate apps with Motif, Windows, Character based, WEB interfacerH >>and have a single source application that runs on any platform withoutC >>recompilation or source code changes. IMHO it is a great product.* >*G >>You can write an application on VMS and run it on Linux, NT, Unix, or-
 >>vice-versa.o >2H >>If anyone would like additional information, feel free to write me off >>the list.: > 
 >>Regards, >R >>Jima >- >v >o >-- < >-----------------------------------------------------------E >yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam" 7 >                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52o9 >                            For a Microsoft free universh< >----------------------------------------------------------- >t > 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-s7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.e8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemsf Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAu  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235V Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com e        jhjennis@shentel.net.& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:35:16 -0300e1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>l Subject: RE: Powered by VMS K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE975@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>0  F This might be better	http://www.openvms.digital.com/northernlight.html - Darren   > ----------% > From: 	Dirk Munk[SMTP:munk@home.nl] ( > Sent: 	Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:42 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	Re: Powered by VMS > + > How about http://www.northernlight.com/ ?a > 
 > regards, >  > Dirk >  > MerefBast wrote: > > 
 > >    Hi. > > = > >    I am putting together a comparison list of which major8@ > > businesses and organizations use which operating systems for > > their web servers (ateC > > <http://www.OperatingSystems.net/system/internet/internet.htm>.  > > 3 > >    So, I am asking for fans or users of OpenVMSiF > > to provide verifiable accounts of businesses or organizations that3 > > use VMS for their web servers. Verifiable meansVA > > something such as a URL to a web page on their site that says C > > "powered by..." or e-mail from the web master or other employeenB > > of the business or organization. Major means easily and widely. > > recognizeable businesses or organizations. > > 9 > >    Please send a courtesy copy of your information toB9 > > <MerefBast@aol.com> or <Author@OperatingSystems.net>.i > >  > >    Thanks... >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they1L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingd of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda@F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2000 09:19:32 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)h Subject: Re: Powered by VMSd* Message-ID: <8odot4$rle$1@lisa.gemair.com>  7 I hate to rain you your parades here, really I do, but  7 NorthernLight does _not_ run it's web servers (which ist) what is being asked for here) on OpenVMS.d  : 	http://www.netcraft.com/whats/?host=www.northernlight.com  K In article <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE975@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>,20 Boyle, Darren <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> wrote:G >This might be better	http://www.openvms.digital.com/northernlight.htmlw	 >- Darren. >>
 >> ----------.& >> From: 	Dirk Munk[SMTP:munk@home.nl]) >> Sent: 	Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:42 AMu >> To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh >> Subject: 	Re: Powered by VMSa >> r, >> How about http://www.northernlight.com/ ? >> c >> regards,I >> - >> Dirks >> e >> MerefBast wrote:n >> > p >> >    Hi.i >> > r> >> >    I am putting together a comparison list of which majorA >> > businesses and organizations use which operating systems form >> > their web servers (atD >> > <http://www.OperatingSystems.net/system/internet/internet.htm>. >> > i4 >> >    So, I am asking for fans or users of OpenVMSG >> > to provide verifiable accounts of businesses or organizations thatn4 >> > use VMS for their web servers. Verifiable meansB >> > something such as a URL to a web page on their site that saysD >> > "powered by..." or e-mail from the web master or other employeeC >> > of the business or organization. Major means easily and widely./ >> > recognizeable businesses or organizations.D >> > N: >> >    Please send a courtesy copy of your information to: >> > <MerefBast@aol.com> or <Author@OperatingSystems.net>. >> > ' >> >    Thanks...o >> a >  >eG >**********************************************************************cD >This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andK >may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.oN >They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyM >are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, NC >please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message. J >You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying >of this message is prohibited.f >m >Bank of BermudaG >**********************************************************************a >w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:49:22 -0700h+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>n Subject: Re: Powered by VMSp( Message-ID: <39AA8A02.3FDDDCC4@mmaz.com>  R Nice little tool, too bad Compaq.com, Digital.com, Decus.org are running all Unix, at least it's DEC Unix...e  H Montagar.com and Openvms.Digital.com appear to be running VMS however...  R This is just my two cents, but what may not be as apparent to others is that it isQ a lot cheaper and more efficient to setup just about any other Un*x system to runtL a web server than a single or cluster set of VMS systems.  I know all of theK arguments, I've been working on VMS for 20 years, but I'm talking about raw1P economics and performance as well as flexibility of software for supporting HTTPR servers.  Excluding Microslouth Windoze, I can setup systems that are much cheaperP and just as reliable with Linux & DEC Unix when compared to the VMS counterparts9 if all that VMS system is going to do is serve web pages.1  O What will not be reflected by the original posters query is the number of sites0I that have HTTP servers running on their VMS systems to support Intranets.    Again, just my two-cents.    Barryt   Jordan Henderson wrote:6  8 > I hate to rain you your parades here, really I do, but9 > NorthernLight does _not_ run it's web servers (which ise+ > what is being asked for here) on OpenVMS.7 > C >         http://www.netcraft.com/whats/?host=www.northernlight.com  > M > In article <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE975@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, 2 > Boyle, Darren <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> wrote:K > >This might be better   http://www.openvms.digital.com/northernlight.html  > >- Darren  > >  > >> ----------u. > >> From:        Dirk Munk[SMTP:munk@home.nl]1 > >> Sent:        Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:42 AM, > >> To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come$ > >> Subject:     Re: Powered by VMS > >>. > >> How about http://www.northernlight.com/ ? > >>
 > >> regards,F > >>	 > >> Dirk  > >> > >> MerefBast wrote:  > >> >
 > >> >    Hi.t > >> >@ > >> >    I am putting together a comparison list of which majorC > >> > businesses and organizations use which operating systems forr > >> > their web servers (atF > >> > <http://www.OperatingSystems.net/system/internet/internet.htm>. > >> >6 > >> >    So, I am asking for fans or users of OpenVMSI > >> > to provide verifiable accounts of businesses or organizations that.6 > >> > use VMS for their web servers. Verifiable meansD > >> > something such as a URL to a web page on their site that saysF > >> > "powered by..." or e-mail from the web master or other employeeE > >> > of the business or organization. Major means easily and widely 1 > >> > recognizeable businesses or organizations.l > >> >< > >> >    Please send a courtesy copy of your information to< > >> > <MerefBast@aol.com> or <Author@OperatingSystems.net>. > >> > > >> >    Thanks...  > >> > >o > >aI > >********************************************************************** F > >This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andM > >may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.tP > >They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyN > >are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,E > >please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.5L > >You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying! > >of this message is prohibited.P > >4 > >Bank of BermudaI > >**********************************************************************o > >n   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOe  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028C   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:40:43 +0200i% From: David Romero <romerod@gedas.es>e# Subject: Re: printer queue problems ( Message-ID: <39AA79EB.995724EF@gedas.es>   Phil Howell wrote:  2 > David Romero <romerod@gedas.es> wrote in message$ > news:39A61EEE.15A5F815@gedas.es...? > > This is the result of show queue/full and show device/full:t > >fI > > I created CLJ45_CT_B1 and CLJ45_CT_B1_TXT with TCPIP$LPRSETUP command,
 > where de
 > > remote
 > > system8 > > is de IP_address, because the printer has a netcard. > >k > >   > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > N > check the logical names for tcpip* especially tcpip$lpd* and check that they > are validIJ > type out tcpip$lpd_printcap and check that any logical names in lf: (log? > file) and sd: (spool directory) also translate to valid names ? > You have got a spool directory for these printers havn't you?  > Phil > <snip>  I I Checked the logical names and directory and files are valid, any idea ?    Thanks,o   David.    E "TCPIP$LPD_LOGFILE" = "SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$LPD]TCPIP$LPD_LOGFILE.LOG"rE   "TCPIP$LPD_PRINTCAP" = "SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$LPD]TCPIP$PRINTCAP.DAT"V0   "TCPIP$LPD_SPOOL" = "SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$LPD]"   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 28 Aug 00 10:06:13 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com " Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?* Message-ID: <8odob2$ru$1@bob.news.rcn.net>  * In article <8o8hht$aau$1@lisa.gemair.com>,3    jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) wrote: ( >In article <39A7357A.8E713045@ev1.net>,, >Charles Richmond  <richmond@ev1.net> wrote: >>Duane Sand wrote:  >>> . >>>      [snip...]     [snip...]     [snip...] >>> H >>> Yes, Bell's interview says that DEC's plan to eliminate all product  linessE >>> except for VAXes and low-end PDP-11 came from him, well after VAX-< >>> was introduced; it came to him during a Tahiti vacation. >>> H >>Now all the 36-bitters from DEC know who to blame for the rape of the  36-bitK >>line.  Or maybe they already knew...I thought I detected some negativity : fromK >>that group when Gordon Bell was discussed.  Certainly I was disappointed S inI >>Bell when I heard this...seems he stabbed a lot of 36-bit customers in t ther1 >>back and lost a lot of paying business for DEC.o >> >nG >I can't speak to this specific incident (the abandonment of all lines eC >except VAX and certain PDP-11s), but there was a discussion threadhA >in comp.os.vms awhile back with people assigning various groups  H >(the IBM people who came in in the late 70's/early 80's, the Honeywell 5 >people, etc.  etc. etc.) for DEC's ultimate decline.n >g@ >C'mon people, that's lazy thinking.  That's exactly the kind ofA >thinking that says that the neighborhood declined after <fill inu@ >your favorite group here> moved in.  It's scapegoating and it's& >easy and it's almost certainly wrong. >e? >Remember, it was Ken Olsen who said that nobody would possiblys >want a computer at home.  h  5 At the time he said it, those computers took too mucho5 power and cost too much to maintain.  Remember, thoset6 computers needed a person with specialized training to5 to triage.  Also, board replacement was not the firsth5 thing to do to solve a problem.  Software support wase# even more complicated at that time.r  ' >And now we see that it was Gordon Bell8? >who narrowed the product lines down to the point that DEC was e= >inflexible to the point that they were unable to change whenc >the market and technology did.  > : >Ken Olsen and Gordon Bell were hardly newcomers to DEC.   >g> >Personally, I think what killed DEC was arrogance.  They had @ >been so successful with the "DEC way of doing things" that they= >simply could not adjust their thinking to a new marketplace.a  ; You are right about the arrogance.  You are incorrect about 6 the adjustment part.  What happened is that we stopped5 listening to our customers.  And that was caused by ai5 rapid decline of customer contact with the people whow2 did the real work.  Given a choice of sending the 2 product line manager and somebody on JMF's or TW's5 level to DECUS, the product line manager always went.i   >i; >Problem is, they really misidentified what the "DEC way ofa: >doing things" actually was.  DECs success wasn't built on7 >increased focus, but rather with chaos, with Engineerss8 >free to build the absolute best products without regard >for some broad strategic plan.   : That's not quite right.  The way we produced a product for: the general customer population was based on hard/software= developed for one particular customer.  After all the lessonsi; were learned for the site-specific stuff, the good parts of 4 BOTH hardware and software were translated into the 7 product lines.  This sort of development declined, too.n   >u< >DEC became a company that felt that competition with itself: >was a bad thing, when their success was built upon having9 >multiple overlapping product lines.  I'm concerned that o: >Compaq also has this mindset that they won't compete with8 >themselves.  IIRC, a Compaq person even said as much at  >a DECUS conference awhile back.  : Yup.  They've inherited the folklore.  One of the problems; with overlapping product lines was that there was no metricl; to evaluate profit and loss.  Most of the figuring was done = on a hardware revenue basis.  So all the minis that were soldi: as a result of a PDP-10 installation was counted as a mini, revenue and subtracted from the -10 revenue.  : What nobody seems to remember is that the guys (I think we? called them financial aides at the time) who did the accountingn< were starting to make policy and development decisions.  And= some of these guys had never logged into a computer system int7 their life.  They had no idea what business we were in.    /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.y   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 28 Aug 00 10:21:25 GMTd From: jmfbahciv@aol.como" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?* Message-ID: <8odp78$ru$2@bob.news.rcn.net>  ( In article <8o8ofo$i7o$1@pyrite.mv.net>,+    "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:i >g; >Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message % >news:8o8hht$aau$1@lisa.gemair.com...m >  >....t > H >> I can't speak to this specific incident (the abandonment of all linesE >> except VAX and certain PDP-11s), but there was a discussion thread(B >> in comp.os.vms awhile back with people assigning various groupsI >> (the IBM people who came in in the late 70's/early 80's, the Honeywell.7 >> people, etc.  etc. etc.) for DEC's ultimate decline.A >>B >> C'mon people, that's lazy thinking.  That's exactly the kind ofC >> thinking that says that the neighborhood declined after <fill in B >> your favorite group here> moved in.  It's scapegoating and it's( >> easy and it's almost certainly wrong. > F >Or it could be your own analysis that's lazy.  The fact is that DEC'sH >approach to product direction changed significantly over a brief periodK >during the early '80s from a largely bottom-up approach to a top-down one.>I >This coincided with and/or closely followed continuing rapid growth, thehG >appearance of VAX/VMS, and the influx of a large number of people from-7 >Honeywell, IBM, and likely other identifiable sources h >I can't remember - alle= >of which I suspect played some role in the direction change./ >n >>A >> Remember, it was Ken Olsen who said that nobody would possibly  >> want a computer at home.- >-< >At a time, IIRC, when this was pretty unequivocably true.    9 Right.  And for all kinds of reasons.  Footprint, power, e1 support costs, initial purchase costs, and usage.e     >It's too bad that: >this specific instance of non-prescience (shared by most  >of the rest of the I >industry, IIRC - Apple was 'way too small to be a noticeable part of thesJ >industry back then, and didn't IBM initially develop the PC primarily forK >business use?) clings so conspicuously to a man whose accomplishments (ando% >earlier vision) were so significant.n  @ However, the PDP-10 line was beginning to move computing outside@ of the computer room.  Just about every one of us had a terminal= and modem and called in to the computer daily..even though wed" also moved our bodied into work.     >3) >  And now we see that it was Gordon Bell0@ >> who narrowed the product lines down to the point that DEC was? >> inflexible to the point that they were unable to change whenh! >> the market and technology did.7 >06 >A generalization which does not seem to apply to the  >point under discussion:  6 It was a speech made by Bell that triggered all of the6 middle management to, almost overnight, change the way4 we did business.  And it was a speech where, if the 8 sentence about having only one operating system had been6 taken in context, those business decisions would have : never been made.  Bell's sin was not stopping the madness.  I >the market and technology changes that DEC failed to follow (or, better,eH >lead) were not in directions that the 36-bit machines would have helped	 >address.e  : You've got to be kidding.  It was the 36-bit _timesharing_4 machines that took the computer work out of the lab.: No longer did one have to wait for a card job to get done.< Our implementations of timesharing gave users the impression: that they had the system all to themselves...just like you; now have with the PCs.  A good timesharing operating systemt= preserved that illusion with respect to all system resources.k> People could make mistakes with their doors locked and produce8 lots of programs to manipulate the data in the exact way> these users wanted it manipulated.  They didn't have to submit# purchase requests for a programmer.l    : >> Ken Olsen and Gordon Bell were hardly newcomers to DEC. >n: >No, but they were increasingly working with intermediate  >levels of managersdD >who *were* relative newcomers, which is why I suspect that imported8 >mind-sets may have played a part.  Both Olsen and Bell  >were *used* to taking5 >input from the people who reported to them:  it was d >the inclination of those*K >people to do the same with their own reports (and so on recursively) which-K >changed, at a time when the size of DEC made it increasingly difficult forH? >lower-level contributors to influence Olsen and Bell directly.$  B That was the 80s, not the 70s; and by then, it was too late.  Also> note that software was not considered important to selling the> hardware.  Bell systematically played politics and removed anyB high level management whose expertise was based on software rather? than hardware.  And this is where I blame Olsen...allowing BellD0 to eliminate software knowledge at the VP level.   <snip>   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.m   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 28 Aug 00 10:37:46 GMTn From: jmfbahciv@aol.comu" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?* Message-ID: <8odq5u$ru$3@bob.news.rcn.net>  * In article <8o9797$t7e$1@lisa.gemair.com>,3    jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) wrote:eJ >In article <8o8ofo$i7o$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  wrote: >>< >>Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message& >>news:8o8hht$aau$1@lisa.gemair.com... >> >>...s >>I >>> I can't speak to this specific incident (the abandonment of all lines.F >>> except VAX and certain PDP-11s), but there was a discussion threadC >>> in comp.os.vms awhile back with people assigning various groups>J >>> (the IBM people who came in in the late 70's/early 80's, the Honeywell8 >>> people, etc.  etc. etc.) for DEC's ultimate decline. >>>oC >>> C'mon people, that's lazy thinking.  That's exactly the kind ofoD >>> thinking that says that the neighborhood declined after <fill inC >>> your favorite group here> moved in.  It's scapegoating and it'sp) >>> easy and it's almost certainly wrong.o >>G >>Or it could be your own analysis that's lazy.  The fact is that DEC's I >>approach to product direction changed significantly over a brief period*H >>during the early '80s from a largely bottom-up approach to a top-down  one.J >>This coincided with and/or closely followed continuing rapid growth, theH >>appearance of VAX/VMS, and the influx of a large number of people fromK >>Honeywell, IBM, and likely other identifiable sources I can't remember - , allp> >>of which I suspect played some role in the direction change. >> >u= >Well, Gordon Bell's narrowing of the product line seems likec> >a top-down approach to me.  You can hardly blame that on this> >"influx".  Sure, people refugees from their failures at other? >companies may well have contributed to the decline of DEC, butu> >was it the cause of the decline or the effect of the decline?   My answer is yes.  r   > 
 >Who can say?D >3? >All I know is that it's convenient to blame a class of people.m; >It prevents us from looking at ourselves or people who we   >admire.   I don't think I'm.   >v >>>gB >>> Remember, it was Ken Olsen who said that nobody would possibly >>> want a computer at home. >>6 >>At a time, IIRC, when this was pretty unequivocably  >>true.  It's too bad that6 >>this specific instance of non-prescience (shared by  >>most of the rest of theeJ >>industry, IIRC - Apple was 'way too small to be a noticeable part of theK >>industry back then, and didn't IBM initially develop the PC primarily for 2 >>business use?) clings so conspicuously to a man  >>whose accomplishments (and& >>earlier vision) were so significant. >> >iD >I believe the quote was something to the effect "Nobody will _ever_D >possibly want a computer at home.  What would they do with it?"  I E >also believe this was when he was asked about the fledgling hobbyisth >market (Imsai, etc.). >gF >You could call it lack of prescience, I would call it lack of vision.  = And I call it lack of experience.  Neither Olsen nor Bell hady< TOPS10 accounts.  I didn't handle TOPS20 access, but I don't0 remember them having accounts on the 20s either.: These people never had exposure to timesharing even though7 most of DEC's revenue was generated by the systems thatc3 did some flavor of timesharing.  We called it smalld computer thinking.  C >IBM did target the PC at business, but it was in reaction to what  > >they saw could be done with the Apple II, Visicalc and early = >word processing.  They reacted swiftly to prevent Apple fromn= >getting into their business accounts with machines more cost 8 >effective and capable than anything they then offerred. >eD >DEC reacted much later with much more anemic offerrings.  Ken Olsen@ >was clearly in control of the company in the early '80s, yet he@ >continued to miss the point of the desktop market.  By the timeE >DEC had any serious offerings, the market was intensely competitive.hB >Also, under Olsen they never made the hard restructuring choices ? >that could have made them a serious competitor in the desktop > >market.  C It also didn't help that we got reorganized every two years.  Thesei> reorganizations were recommended from the bean counters.  EvenA in the PDP-10 area, our offices were moved every 18 months.  That > takes away from production.  There were also procedures set in< place that were designed to retard production.  We were told= that all of these changes were for the good.  Imagine having  : a new VP take over.  It only takes about two years for the= change to work itself out from VP down to the lowest branches @ of the org chart.  And the reorgs happened about every 18 months to 2 years.        > * >>  And now we see that it was Gordon BellA >>> who narrowed the product lines down to the point that DEC was @ >>> inflexible to the point that they were unable to change when" >>> the market and technology did. >>7 >>A generalization which does not seem to apply to the   >>point under discussion:aJ >>the market and technology changes that DEC failed to follow (or, better,I >>lead) were not in directions that the 36-bit machines would have helpedh
 >>address. >> >aA >I doubt the 36-bit machines would have been the future, but theyt? >continued to have a role when DEC unceremoniously dumped them.   @ And I say they had a powerful future.  When I think about people? running a -10 on their desk, I gnash my teeth with the waste ofc< it all.  The philosophy of the software group was to not get< in the way of the user.  I'm not running any software at the$ moment that even hints such a thing.   >0@ >It's all about Customer Relationship Management.  If customers D >continue to reward you with profits for a given product, you should >continue to support it well.e  ; And the PDP-10 product line didn't have such an accounting.5  , >  But, if you see the product is ultimately@ >a dead-end, you should also develop competitive products.  WhenA >the customers are willing to change, you'll be there, the peopleo< >who served them so well in the past, with new products and D >services.  DEC in the mid 80's to the early-mid 90's was all about = >upsetting huge classes of customers while telling them that t> >there was a new technology that they should be using instead C >(DEC 10/20s => VAX, Ultrix => OSF/1, VMS => {DEC UNIX,WindowsNT}).  >o< >Yes, I include Ultrix => OSF/1 there.  Apperently, some BIG? >accounts were promised Ultrix on Alpha and DEC had it running, I >even fielded field tests, but pulled the plug for 'strategic' reasons.   5 >Those customers ultimately found other Unix vendors.L   <snip>   Same old stuff.    /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.$   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 28 Aug 00 11:15:49 GMT- From: jmfbahciv@aol.com-" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?* Message-ID: <8odsdb$em$1@bob.news.rcn.net>  ( In article <8o9oc0$ql2$1@pyrite.mv.net>,+    "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:u >l; >Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message)% >news:8o9797$t7e$1@lisa.gemair.com...5K >> In article <8o8ofo$i7o$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  >wrote:> >> >> >> >Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message( >> >news:8o8hht$aau$1@lisa.gemair.com...   <snip>  F >> I believe the quote was something to the effect "Nobody will _ever_E >> possibly want a computer at home.  What would they do with it?"  I G >> also believe this was when he was asked about the fledgling hobbyist  >> market (Imsai, etc.). >>H >> You could call it lack of prescience, I would call it lack of vision. >oI >Hindsight's easy to get 20/20.  I find it ludicrous that people who haveeG >never contributed anything to the world remotely comparable to Olsen'shK >contributions - based indisputably on 'vision', technical and perhaps morekK >importantly managerial, that led DEC unfalteringly for over 20 years - caneK >sit back smugly and criticize him for failing to foresee that increases incH >approachability known at that time only to a handful of people at XeroxG >PARC, increases in manageability that would take many years to achieveE> >*after* the need for them had been demonstrated, decreases inK >cost/performance of several orders of magnitude, and the emergence of a denI >facto standard that allowed real volume to grow would converge to turn a < >hobbyist market dependent on the same kinds and numbers of  >people who built < >their own televisions from kits into something significant. >h< >You can call that lack of vision.  Given the circumstances < >of the time, I'm more inclined to call the very few people " >who came anywhere near predicting% >the PC revolution 'lucky as hell':  l  9 This PC revolution was very predictable.  Once people gotS9 access to some flavor of computing without having to have 8 to have a badge and operator privileges, the location of9 the user who uses computers was highly predictable.  Whati9 wasn't predictable, IMO, was the drop in component costs.e7 I don't know much about the history of that, but movinge6 from hand-made to production line systems probably had@ more to do with that than anything else.  Removing import/export? constraints had a lot to do with it; that couldn't be predicted  since that involved politics.m      " >for most of them, it was simply a7 >personal enthusiasm that just happened to turn out to   >be the path the future took.d  < And how did that personal enthusiam get started?  By getting< an exposure to computing at an early age.  The -10s and -20s8 got a lot of kids started when they were at college age.   >dK >I *still* don't recall exactly when Olsen made the infamous statement (leteK >alone its exact wording).  If he said it any time after the IBM PC hit theiJ >market, then I'll retract my above defense of him; if he said it any time@ >before 1979, then I'll stand by every word of it (and if it wasI >significantly earlier, I don't really see how any fair-minded individualt >could disagree).w  ; I don't remember the year.  I'll try to remember what I wasa9 doing when that piece of rumor went around my head.  I doo9 remember most of us being flabberghasted by the sentimentc; since we all had terminals at home and used them.  And thenr: we began to dream..having a -10 in the house...jeez...what3 JMF couldn't have done with that on his off time.  t   <snip>  F >> DEC reacted much later with much more anemic offerrings.  Ken OlsenB >> was clearly in control of the company in the early '80s, yet he5 >> continued to miss the point of the desktop market.t >i9 >No, he did not:  DEC, under his enthusiastic direction, t >dedicated somethingE >like $500 million to exactly that area in the 1981 - 1983 time framee: >(roughly - it's from memory).  The main thing DEC failed  >to realize was thatJ >a de facto standard existed and that its options were to  1) jump on that8 >standard and try to add value to it and/or  2) compete  >with the standard indJ >niches (business desktops were one) where synergy with other DEC productsH >had as much value as standardization.  Instead, DEC never quite built a> >compatible box and never gave up on the idea of incompatible  >competition5 >across the board - and while this wasn't that clear  5 >early-on, it should have become clear after a while.e  8 I also blame the process that was foisted on anybody who: had a chance of getting the work done.  They had the exact7 same constraints that DECnet had.  And it took years too5 get people to agree on the specs _before any code was77 written_.  Somehow, those people got addicted to havingt meetings.      >l >  By the timeG >> DEC had any serious offerings, the market was intensely competitive.eC >> Also, under Olsen they never made the hard restructuring choices @ >> that could have made them a serious competitor in the desktop
 >> market. >p- >Not sure what you mean by 'restructuring'.  c  < He's not either.  It's a $5 word that business people use to produce smoke and mirrors.    ! >Simply empowering a new business/0 >unit (with the right direction - e.g., build a  >compatible box and add valueeJ >in software and integration) would have been all it took:  that's the wayK >DEC had always succeeded.  The only 'hard choice' involved would have been = >the willingness to compete with low-end PDP-11s and, later, e >VAXen - but such K >willingness had also been part of the DEC tradition, so still doesn't seemt >that 'hard' a choice.  A Note that this so-called competition among product lines was onlyrA an internal accounting competition.  But it sure as hell affectedo? production of useful products made available in a finite amounti of time.    J >It's true that DEC had no idea how to build an inexpensive box back then,J >and that this constituted a major impediment.  But I'm not sure that's anJ >issue addressable by 'restructuring' - and to suggest that DEC lacked theK >*financial* resources to undertake the project (without 'restructuring' ton! >satisfy investors) is laughable.i  = Right.  Restructuring is just a buzz word and its still beingn< used today.  Use of that word should raise a red flag rather> than calm a heaving breast.  :-)  Especially when it's used in politics.  :-)   >c >>, >> >  And now we see that it was Gordon BellC >> >> who narrowed the product lines down to the point that DEC waslB >> >> inflexible to the point that they were unable to change when$ >> >> the market and technology did. >> >D >> >A generalization which does not seem to apply to the point under >discussion:E >> >the market and technology changes that DEC failed to follow (or, g better, K >> >lead) were not in directions that the 36-bit machines would have helpedn >> >address. >> > >>C >> I doubt the 36-bit machines would have been the future, but they A >> continued to have a role when DEC unceremoniously dumped them.d > J >My point was that narrowing the product lines was not directly related toJ >making DEC too inflexible "to change when the market and technology did":J >retention of the older products would not have helped DEC deal with those	 >changes.e  < And I disagree with this.  Just because a particular product> had been sold for many years did not mean that the underlying E technology was old.  One of the things that DEC forgot when it becamee= Digital was how to get a product out the door.  The so-calledvA old product lines knew how and we got it out with new technology.t    A >> It's all about Customer Relationship Management.  If customerseF >> continue to reward you with profits for a given product, you shouldJ >> continue to support it well.  But, if you see the product is ultimatelyB >> a dead-end, you should also develop competitive products.  WhenC >> the customers are willing to change, you'll be there, the peoplef= >> who served them so well in the past, with new products andmE >> services.  DEC in the mid 80's to the early-mid 90's was all abouts> >> upsetting huge classes of customers while telling them that? >> there was a new technology that they should be using insteadoE >> (DEC 10/20s => VAX, Ultrix => OSF/1, VMS => {DEC UNIX,WindowsNT}).e >tH >I agree absolutely that this is the way I'd want a business I depended  uponK >to run.  I'd even like to believe I'd have chosen to run DEC that way had o IsJ >been in charge - and I'm damn sure the result would have been better (all& >other things being equal, of course). >wC >On the other hand, I'm sure DEC could have gotten away (though notyK >scot-free) with one, or even two, of these gaffes if it had otherwise beenp >well-managed. >tB >The 10/20 Jupiter fiasco was just the first (major) such blunder,  ? No.  The first blunder was cancelling the MG20. (I think that'sa the hardware name.)f   > and 9 >arguably the most defensible.  What I remember was that o >when Jupiter startedlI >to jell it missed its time, performance, and cost targets by significant.H >margins, at which point DEC - which had continued to pursue this 36-bitD >development path over internal objections precisely to support the . >customers dependent on that product line, ...  7 Please note that the PDP-10 customers also bought every.: other kind of hardware that DEC produced.  And they bought= a lot of them.  They were not monocomputic (aha! a new word).a   > ...even though it  >already considered that line 
 >mature -   < Only upper level non-36-bit management considered it mature.> Shit we'd just produced some fandamntastic software technology. that sold a ton of hardware...and was ignored.  A >..finally said "Enough is enough!" and killed it (but kept 10/20i? >software development moving forward for several years more).  n >Caveat lector:n7 >I'm sure others have different understandings of what i9 >happened and freely admit that my own is purely hearsay  ( >(though hearsay from that time period).  8 Yup.  It was hearsay.  I haven't heard a whisper of what$ really happened, either then or now.   <snip>  K >I think both parties are, and that's consistent with what I've been sayingeD >(and note that 'blame' is your word:  I've been discussing causes).  ? Figuring out the causes is an admirable effort.  It was a wholei$ bunch of things all thrown together.   >  AndJ >characterizing the new people as 'bad' seems excessive:  they just didn'tJ >discard their baggage at the door and nobody relieved them of it and made= >sure they were re-outfited - but that was never that formal   >a process at DECt1 >anyway, it just sort of happened, up until then.   = I'm not sure that process could have been formalized.  Peoplea: who are used to being "the boss" and not a leader can't be: changed.  And a successful supervisor, in our area anyway,8 realized that he was working for us rather than us were  working for him.     /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:12:29 -0400t' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>o" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?( Message-ID: <8odvbd$4le$1@pyrite.mv.net>  I <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message news:8odsdb$em$1@bob.news.rcn.net...t* > In article <8o9oc0$ql2$1@pyrite.mv.net>,- >    "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:w   ...h   > >  AndL > >characterizing the new people as 'bad' seems excessive:  they just didn'tL > >discard their baggage at the door and nobody relieved them of it and made> > >sure they were re-outfited - but that was never that formal > >a process at DECh3 > >anyway, it just sort of happened, up until then.w >s? > I'm not sure that process could have been formalized.  People < > who are used to being "the boss" and not a leader can't be< > changed.  And a successful supervisor, in our area anyway,9 > realized that he was working for us rather than us wereC > working for him.  G You were lucky; so was I.  My first supervisor at DEC (Joe Carchidi - aMK Honeywell import, no less!) had that attitude as well.  It seemed to becomeoI rarer and rarer as time went on and one looked higher in the bureaucracy.n   - bill   >i > /BAH >e) > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:16:01 -0700 * From: "Ed Sanders" <sirrebral@hotmail.com> Subject: Removal from NT clients' Message-ID: <39aa2e43.0@WWW.SEN.CA.GOV>d  L I can not find any documentation on removing Teamlinks from a Windows NT 4.0D client PC. There is no entry in the Add/Remove Programs list and theK registry is full of deeply embedded references to the software. Does anyone2D have any suggestions as to where to find some documentation on this?1 Compaq's support site and forum weren't any help.s   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2000 18:27:01 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: Removal from NT client * Message-ID: <39aa92d5$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  T In article <39aa2e43.0@WWW.SEN.CA.GOV>, "Ed Sanders" <sirrebral@hotmail.com> writes:M >I can not find any documentation on removing Teamlinks from a Windows NT 4.0pE >client PC. There is no entry in the Add/Remove Programs list and thehL >registry is full of deeply embedded references to the software. Does anyoneE >have any suggestions as to where to find some documentation on this?o2 >Compaq's support site and forum weren't any help.  M Just like with most other PC software: Format disk and reinstall M$ crapware.e   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888t< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:52:50 -0400g# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>sD Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?+ Message-ID: <39AA98E2.6D4A9D1F@hsc.vcu.edu>e  + My LICENSE LIST/FULL proc says 30-JAN-2001.a       Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > S > In article <39A6D005.43B859E1@hsc.vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> writes: G > :Our university is letting the Campuswide Site Licenses go next year.n > & >   When do your CSLG licenses expire? > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:53:59 GMTd From: byatesiii@my-deja.com3 Subject: Re: run *.com) Message-ID: <8odqtd$5ig$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   + In article <VA.000000af.02c6c5d0@sture.ch>,m   paul@sture.ch wrote: > >w< > Unless of course zzz.com went and deleted all log files :) Okay, another story!D A coworker who was writing a command procedure suddenly cried out in2 alarm when, after testing, it was no longer there!B He had inadvertantly deleted all versions of the command procedure/ instead of the log files in his last statement!t  , Talk about self-cleaning command procedures!    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:04:10 -0400  From: Dan <beyonder@vrx.net># Subject: Security/Auditing questionl' Message-ID: <39A9662A.65745101@vrx.net>n  @ Is it possible to get every logon attempt (failed) logged to the alternate console?9 And even every successful logon should be logged as well? G preferably all of this should be logged, and also any system access (tos ANY port) of any kind should be logged.  , a port scan log report would be really nice.  D All I found, the other day was a sniffer package for VMS but I'm not sure how well it works.   G Does the system already do this automatically? My alpha does not log toi
 the alternatelG console (which would be nice), and if there is a log file, I don't knowl where it is or what it
 is called.   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:57:34 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>a. Subject: RE: VMS as real time operating systemJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284734@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   JF,n  @ >>> However, you could use a non-clustered solution and have theC applications use network links (TCP/IP for instance) to synchronizeeD themselves across nodes and allow automatic instant fallback without3 freezing a computer during a cluster transition.<<<   L Sounds like the basic question would be "how high is the requirement for the* data to be in sync between these systems?"  8 Replication is ok for some systems, but not for others.   H Replication usually means the write is accepted as being complete on oneL system, but not others. Replication usually means this updated write will beI done a short time later on the other systems. Of course, the problem with L replication is that something could happen to that system (or network links)8 before the updated write is propagated to other systems.  I Now, this is not to say clustering and shadowing is the only solution for H tightly coupled solutions. Various products based on 2phase commit could@ also do this, but that also raises the complexity (and sometimes performance) bar ...   Always tradeoffs ..2   :-)    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadae Professional Services  Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comP       -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]( Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:29 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms. Subject: Re: VMS as real time operating system     Nigel Arnot wrote:G > I can't help speculating that a VMScluster would be an extremely goodkK > choice for military operations systems: a disaster-tolerant configurationn is, > also a battlefield-damage-tolerant system.  I However, you could use a non-clustered solution and have the applicationsi use'J network links (TCP/IP for instance) to synchronize themselves across nodes and E allow automatic instant fallback without freezing a computer during ar cluster transition.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:41:20 +0100 2 From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>F Subject: Re: VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,...6 Message-ID: <39AA5DEF.F48DB4BF@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   J > FINALLY I will be setting up my VMS stuff at home soon (next few weeks).J > The scenario I have followed up until now involved an ISDN router, whichD > is quite expensive.  The idea is to get an ISP to give me a few IPJ > addresses and enter some names in his DNS.  He doesn't have to care whatJ > is behind this ISDN router.  My VMS machines don't care if they are on aH > permanent connection, or a virtual permanent connection (i.e. dial-outH > AND dial-in on demand).  The IP addresses will be permanent, I can run) > my own DNS server for my own stuff etc.* >lI > Unexpectedly, I find myself with a PC not being used for anything else.eE > IIRC, someone mentioned that I could use a Linux box instead of the G > ISDN router.  I would intuitively prefer the latter, but now it lookse" > like the former will be cheaper. >yF > How easy is this, assuming a "standard" linux installation is up andH > running?  Should I worry about security?  Presumably, a VMS box cannot > do what the linux box does.a   Just to add my 2p worth:  ? I'm using a Netgear RH348 ISDN router with my VMScluster + Macs H on my LAN.  Cost of the router was ca. 200.  In fact, I've just sold myH second ISDN router (Netgear RT328) for 90;   I don't think you'd really consider that expensive :-) ??  J I hope that I'll be in a position reasonably soon to be selling the RH348;I prerequisite is the availability of ADSL in my area (it's not there yet).y  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:01:20 -0400E From: Dan <beyonder@vrx.net> Subject: VMS DNS questions' Message-ID: <39A9657F.FA537305@vrx.net>e  9 Is there an equivilent to the named.conf on a VMS system?y3 Where is it, how is it organized, and all the rest.   4 I need to setup multiple domains on the same system.   Dan.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2000 18:11:57 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: VMS DNS questions* Message-ID: <39aa8f4d$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  F In article <39A9657F.FA537305@vrx.net>, Dan <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:: >Is there an equivilent to the named.conf on a VMS system?  
 Of course.  4 >Where is it, how is it organized, and all the rest.   Depends on your TCPIP stack:  G UCX V4:		has a BIND 4 implementation (NAMED.BOOT instead of NAMED.CONF)h$ 			but multiple domains are possibleE TCPIP V5:		has s a BIND 8.1.2 implementation. All there what you want ' 			http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/a& 			http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/F TCPware V5:	has s a BIND 8.1.2 implementation. All there what you want2 Multinet:	don't know, but I think, same as TCPware5 CMUIP:		don't know, but I think, only BIND 4 if ever.t    5 >I need to setup multiple domains on the same system.m   No problem.e   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:05:41 -0400P2 From: "Jason McCormick" <jason.mccormick@lexi.com># Subject: Where can I get TLB files?i3 Message-ID: <39aa9bd8$0$21282@wodc7nh0.news.uu.net>      Hi everyone,  L   Can anyone tell me where I could get a TLB file for a color laser printer?H I need to be able to hook up a Minolta Fiery X2e to the VAX via LPD.  OnK Linux, the standard genertic PostScript driver appears to work fine in full K color.  I think any standard PostScript TLB file would be fine.  Thanks forr	 the help..   -- Jason McCormick   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.481 ************************ncial* resourc