1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 29 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 483       Contents:$ (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP.( Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP.( Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP.9 Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file. 9 Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file. 9 Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file. % Re: ??==DCPS 1.8 and HP 4050 printer. $ Re: Another perspective on anti-spam* Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ RE: carl lydick  CDA - DECimage - Motif - Alpha COM for OpenVMS $ Re: Convert question - DCPS printing7 Re: DCPS Wish List (was Re: DCPS and PCL only printers)  Re: DHCP server  Re: DHCP server configuration  disk hardware config question:& Re: dtr datatrieve vax to alpha (acl?)& RE: dtr datatrieve vax to alpha (acl?) Re: From VMS to NT2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD Re: IMAP-Server for VMS? Re: IMAP-Server for VMS? Re: IMAP-Server for VMS? Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?# Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? 0 Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...0 Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...0 RE: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...0 Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS..., Low-level interface to AlpSta parallel port?$ NFS (PCNFS) does no lomger function!( Re: NFS (PCNFS) does no lomger function!$ Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?$ Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?$ Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?$ Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?$ Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?$ Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ? Re: printer queue problems Re: printer queue problems Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit? 0 Questions about AUTOGEN, PQL_*WS*, PHYSICALPAGES; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?  Re: scsi tape drive  Re: Security/Auditing question Re: Security/Auditing question Re: Security/Auditing question Re: Security/Auditing question Re: show mem display Re: show mem display Re: show mem display! RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE ! RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE ! Re: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE ! Re: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE ! RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE ! RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE ! Re: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE ! RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE % Re: The Solution to ALL your Problems % Re: The Solution to ALL your Problems % Re: The Solution to ALL your Problems  Ultra SCSI in VAX 4100A?1 variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro) 5 Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro) 5 Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro) 5 Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro) 5 Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro)  Re: VMS DNS questions  Re: VMS DNS questions  Re: VMS DNS questions  Re: VMS DNS questions  RE: VMS DNS questions  Re: VMS DNS questions  VMS FAQ - August Re: Where can I get TLB files? Re: Where can I get TLB files? Re: Where can I get TLB files? Re: Where can I get TLB files?( Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:05:49 +0100 & From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com>- Subject: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. * Message-ID: <39ABD14D.7C604CA8@compaq.com>   "Robert J. Slover" wrote:   B > Count yourself lucky that you even have a chance, however small.A > I've been told I've got to find a way to be rid of both our VMS ; > clusters (VAX and Alpha) by the end of December.  New VP.  > B > I come to work now sick to my stomach.  My cluster uptime is 232C > days...since we took things down in January when they put a new 3 B > phase power feed into the building.  Don't know how long we were3 > up prior to that.  Nothing else here comes close.    My sympathies ...   E In a previous life, I was told the same.  I had to get rid of the VMS E cluster by October 1996 (or was it 1995 ?).  Hmmm... it's still there B up-and-running as I write !  (before a complete power outage whichC lasted several hours this year, system uptime was, IIRC, 800 days).   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd., (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:14:03 -0400 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>1 Subject: Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000829121403.014b4530@discovery.fuentez.com>  F My sympathies also...in my prior job we had a 5 node OVMS cluster in aE large factory that stayed up for 5 years with less than 8 hours total J downtime (and most of that was for a VMS OS upgrade from 5.5-2 to 6.2 - weK skipped 6.0 and 6.1). We ran the whole organization with a WEB based system < running on multiple OSU httpd's and it never missed a beat.   E Recently, the factory was purchased by a new owner, and when they got I quotes from Compaq about re-licensing VMS their CFO had a serious case of  sticker shock.   That was all it took.   F In May, (sadly) we finished porting the applications and databases andG replaced it all with Linux. Although I love Linux, and IMHO it is a FAR N BETTER SOLUTION THAN M$ CAN OFFER, it is still not in the same league as OVMS.     Regards,   Jim   ' At 04:05 PM 8/29/2000 +0100, you wrote:  >"Robert J. Slover" wrote: > C >> Count yourself lucky that you even have a chance, however small. B >> I've been told I've got to find a way to be rid of both our VMS< >> clusters (VAX and Alpha) by the end of December.  New VP. >>C >> I come to work now sick to my stomach.  My cluster uptime is 232 D >> days...since we took things down in January when they put a new 3C >> phase power feed into the building.  Don't know how long we were 4 >> up prior to that.  Nothing else here comes close. >  >My sympathies ... > F >In a previous life, I was told the same.  I had to get rid of the VMSF >cluster by October 1996 (or was it 1995 ?).  Hmmm... it's still thereC >up-and-running as I write !  (before a complete power outage which D >lasted several hours this year, system uptime was, IIRC, 800 days). > 
 >Roy Omond >Blue Bubble Ltd. - >(certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)  >  > 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems  Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235  Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com          jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:48:25 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> 1 Subject: Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. . Message-ID: <sqnq95cuc5d70@corp.supernews.com>  < Roy Omond wrote in message <39ABD14D.7C604CA8@compaq.com>... >"Robert J. Slover" wrote: > C >> Count yourself lucky that you even have a chance, however small. B >> I've been told I've got to find a way to be rid of both our VMS< >> clusters (VAX and Alpha) by the end of December.  New VP. >>C >> I come to work now sick to my stomach.  My cluster uptime is 232 D >> days...since we took things down in January when they put a new 3C >> phase power feed into the building.  Don't know how long we were 4 >> up prior to that.  Nothing else here comes close. >  >My sympathies ... > F >In a previous life, I was told the same.  I had to get rid of the VMSF >cluster by October 1996 (or was it 1995 ?).  Hmmm... it's still thereC >up-and-running as I write !  (before a complete power outage which D >lasted several hours this year, system uptime was, IIRC, 800 days). > 
 >Roy Omond >Blue Bubble Ltd. - >(certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)  >   @ I was also told the same thing by a new VP a few years back at aC previous location, it is amazing how often VMS clusters outlive the D VP. (AFAIK they still are trying to sell off the HP UX hardware thatB the VP ordered to replace VMS, it is sitting in an old part of the/ mill that was converted to a storage building.)   . May your cluster live a long and happy life :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:57:10 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)B Subject: Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file.D Message-ID: <aus-2908001257100001@wvia71.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  J In DCPS 1.7, I'm unaware of any possibility to either include a Postscript5 section in a $print command or $print to a disk file.   F My goal is to avoid all those time consuming translations. Without theF SoftFont, the time required to print an ANSI letter is reasonable; theB print time is, however, noticeably slower when using the SoftFont.   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2000 16:36:02 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)B Subject: Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file.* Message-ID: <39abca52$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  s In article <aus-2908001257100001@wvia71.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) writes: K >In DCPS 1.7, I'm unaware of any possibility to either include a Postscript 6 >section in a $print command or $print to a disk file.  E Why would one want to "print to a disk file" ? This is PeeCee syntax.   I On VMS you have the files already on disk and you may want to convert the H format of the print file from one form to another. But you don't want toJ make eg. a POSTSCRIPT File for eg. a HPLJ4M with eg. double sided, headersJ 2 pages on one side and so on. You want this features to be selcted during print only.   D So you may want to $ CONVERT/DOC file.REGIS/FOR=REGIS file.PS/FOR=PS' but you don't want to "print to a file"    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:37:07 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) B Subject: Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file.0 Message-ID: <009EF53E.4E7A3855@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <39abca52$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: t >In article <aus-2908001257100001@wvia71.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) writes:L >>In DCPS 1.7, I'm unaware of any possibility to either include a Postscript7 >>section in a $print command or $print to a disk file.  > F >Why would one want to "print to a disk file" ? This is PeeCee syntax. > J >On VMS you have the files already on disk and you may want to convert theI >format of the print file from one form to another. But you don't want to K >make eg. a POSTSCRIPT File for eg. a HPLJ4M with eg. double sided, headers K >2 pages on one side and so on. You want this features to be selcted during  >print only. > E >So you may want to $ CONVERT/DOC file.REGIS/FOR=REGIS file.PS/FOR=PS ( >but you don't want to "print to a file"  C With DCPS, you can specify various layups, setup and overlays which D all modify the output from the given .PS file to be printed (or any B other type file such as .TXT which will be converted to .PS beforeC being sent to the printer).  You may want to view the file with the C special formatting DCPS can provide you prior printing the file.  I C use the CDA viewer extensively for previewing documents before they C are sent to the printer.  I'd love to be able to see the true final C output prior to committing it to paper.  Of course, with display_PS C being removed and ghostscript simply an unworkable utility[1] (also D a much worse presentation overall), I'll likely be killing many manyE more trees to see what I can now see with electron excited phosphors.   D [1] I have a letterhead overlay written in postscript which draws myD     TMESIS logo and fills it with a "rainbow" like shading.  It willD     display beautifully with CDA/DPS but looks like a 4 bit .JPG andE     eventually causes an access violation before completely rendering      it when viewed with GS.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:39:37 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger). Subject: Re: ??==DCPS 1.8 and HP 4050 printer.L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2908000239380001@user-2ive677.dialup.mindspring.com>   In article <ETYCvzI0l9ca@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote:   O > In article <rdeininger-2508000107370001@user-2iveb18.dialup.mindspring.com>,  : >     rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > 5 > > The only module I have looked at in any detail is # > > LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_SETINPUTTRAY.   J >         OK, well see, _you_ probably did  this the "correct" way while IJ >     did  it  the only way I could figure out to do it at the time!   :-}  E I probably just got lucky.  There was enough in the manual that I was E pursuaded to extract the "unrecognized" modules from the library, and H they have a lot of comments.  That, and a liberal helping of Brute Force and Ignorance, was all it took.   J >     And since  I  really  know  nothing  (well,  almost  nothing)  aboutF >     Postscript,  The Language, most modules look like greek to me.    G Like I said earlier, PS makes my head spin like Forth used to.  I broke D down and ordered the PS reference manual, but got DCPS limping alongM pretty well before the book arrived.  With the help of the book, it's limping J a little better now.  Well, limping isn't a fair statement, it just works.I But I don't really understand most of the PS gibberish.  There's a little H note in the reference manual about how PS was partly derived from Forth.. So that explains why my head was spinning. :-)    
 >     Were >     I to do this again, ...   C If it's not broke, don't fix it.  Just hope you never have to fight  with Postscript again!   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:32:20 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: Another perspective on anti-spam < Message-ID: <EsSq5.55634$_s1.652829@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  7 "David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ' news:39AA977E.8B5B8DD4@tsoft-inc.com... H > A bit off topic, but there have been passionate statements in the past about K > spam.  Normally I just hit the delete button when I see an e-mail message  thatJ > is obviously some sales/marketing mass mailing.  Every now and then I'll scan it E > just out of curiosity.  Did that today and really had a good laugh. 
 Here's how0 > the other side looks at you anti-span zealots. > 0 > ----------------------------------------------> > 4.  A "daily updated" anti bulk email list of terrorists and: > general anti-internet advertising extremists was used to2 > rid our lists of those people who, in a cowardly8 > and deliberate manner, attack all marketing people who; > choose to utilize the greatest marketing discovery of all ; > time - DIRECT EMAIL. Our database of these individuals is 7 > the largest one maintained worldwide and it keeps our 3 > lists free of undesirable and extremist elements. 0 > ---------------------------------------------- > 1 > So, are you one of these (mark all that apply):  >  > (  ) terrorists  > (  ) extremists  > (  ) cowardly  > (  ) undesirable  H Guess I'm one of the those VastRightWingAntiSPAMExtremists. Proud of it,F too. If you want to come over to the Dark Side (there's plenty of roomJ here!) pay a visit to http://www.spamcop.com You'll be a better person forI it, and you'll end up getting messages like the following (my second SPAM  kill thus far today)       Hello txxxxxxxxxn,  % Thank you for writing to MSN Hotmail.eK I appreciate your bringing this matter to our attention. I  have closed thenK account you reported in accordance with the Hotmail Terms of Service (TOS).EI It is a strict violation of the TOS for our members to send objectionabler1 material of any kind or nature using our service. * You can view our rules and regulations at:H     http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/dasp/hminfo_shell.asp?content=tos   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:40:58 -0400)- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>B3 Subject: Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQT. Message-ID: <sqnpr547c5d70@corp.supernews.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote in messageM- <8oe2ck$93b$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...e >...? >  I don't presently provide the HTML version of the FAQ -- thel
 conversionE >  work is underway.  After my next delivery of copious spare time, Il will@ >  probably end up reformatting the FAQ into a document that can provideoC >  output in any of various formats -- though the "pagination" usedr fort >...  D I'm sure I've seen it done before, but I was a bit bored and lookingD for something to do (^%#$^& VMS systems keep running and running andF running). Here is a little .COM that will read in the FAQ and create a< HELP library. It assumes that the FAQ is in text files namedD PART1.TXT -> PART5.TXT. It does no error checking but it does run if everything is OK.n   $! FAQ_TO_HELP.COM $! $ open output faq.hlp/writeI $! $ write output "1 VMS_FAQ" $ have_first = 0 $!& $ write sys$output "Processing Part 1" $ open input part1.txt/reade $ gosub process_it& $ write sys$output "Processing Part 2" $ open input part2.txt/reads $ gosub process_it& $ write sys$output "Processing Part 3" $ open input part3.txt/readt $ gosub process_it& $ write sys$output "Processing Part 4" $ open input part4.txt/readn $ gosub process_it& $ write sys$output "Processing Part 5" $ open input part5.txt/readd $ gosub process_it
 $ goto finishh $! $process_it: $! $ next_line = "  " $! $loop: $!$ $ read input inline/end=end_of_input $! $ if inline .eqs. - A    "------------------------------------------------------------". $       then$ $               if have_first .eq. 0 $                       then7 $                               write output "2 Topics"o. $                               have_first = 1 $                       endifo $!! $               read input inline 4 $               first_word = f$element(0,".",inline)- $               length = f$length(first_word)cD $               if f$extract(length-1,1,first_word) .eqs. "1" then -A                         if f$extract(length-2,1,first_word) .ges.  "A" -m+                         then write output -i5                 "3 "+f$extract(0,length-1,first_word)e $!( $               write output "4 "+inline $       else; $               if f$edit(inline,"COMPRESS,UPCASE") .eqs. -e      "CHANGES SINCE LAST EDITION" $                       then/ $                               write output "2n Changes_Since_Last_Edition"- $                       else: $                               if inline .eqs. "Overview", $                                       then? $                                               write output "2g	 Overview"D, $                                       else> $                                               write output " "+inline- $                                       endifo $                       endifs
 $       endifl $! $ goto loopf $! $end_of_input:
 $ close inputt $ return $! $finish: $ close output $! $ library/create/help faq faq  $!       Here is what you get  % $ help/libra=DKA100:[TEST.FAQ]FAQ vmst   VMS_FAQi    #     Archive-name: dec-faq/vms/part1i     Posting-Frequency: monthly     Last-modified: 17 Aug 2000     Version: VMS-FAQ-1.TXT(4)         #   Additional information available:   4   Changes_Since_Last_Edition       Overview   Topics   VMS_FAQ Subtopic?d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:03:53 -0400l: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: carl lydickK Message-ID: <D7E0F3C94377D311A24A00805F19D0EE52A696@MBCALBEXC04.BENDER.COM>-  E My bad.  Never heard of the Eternal Flame, but knew of Carl through =i thisB newsgroup.  I guess I jumped without fully reading your post.  =20  D Too bad Eternal Flame was not more eternal, since I am now curious =	 about it.e   :) jck   > -----Original Message-----. > From: andekl@saaf.se [mailto:andekl@saaf.se]' > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:32 PM  > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.coms > Subject: Re: carl lydick >=20 >=20; > Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC) <John.C.Koska@bender.com> wrote:h >=20 > > One webpointer on the web..l > >=205 > > http://alumni.caltech.edu/~vance/carl_lydick.htmlt >=20D > Yes - Altavista turned that up for me, too. However, the Eternal = FlameiF > link leads to the boring company-related stuff Robert mentioned. The > Flame has been replaced. >=20 > --=20eH > * Anders Ekl=F6f        * Phone: + 46 8581 74712  * "I blame you for = *hF > * Glimmerstigen 46    * e-mail: ae@radfys.ks.se * the moonlit sky" *H > * S-196 33 KUNGS=C4NGEN *     or  andekl@saaf.se  *       ----       = *0F > * SWEDEN              *                         *   Tasmin Archer  * >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:59:26 +1000t+ From: Alan Pascoe <alan.pascoe@it4u.com.au>o' Subject: CDA - DECimage - Motif - Alphae_ Message-ID: <000101c011b8$f6ad96c0$0e01fea9@firebird.co3003191-a.carlnfd1.nsw.optushome.com.au>3   Hi,dH Please for give me if I've gone about this the wrong way, but I'm new to this method of research.  F I'm attempting to Migrate a client from VAX-VMS V 7.1 with Motif, CDA,: DECimage, RDB etc running on VAX 4500 to Dual Alpha ES40's  I The two main problems I have are around Motif (1.2.5), and CDA, and Motif9
 and DECimage.9  I Q1. I know DECimage is end of life some years ago and was never ported topI the Alpha platform. But I also know part of its functionality was removedsE from DECimage and imbedded into Motif. I'm not sure which components, J  IIS,ISL,IDS) were moved to Motif but the product description implies thatL the Image Services Library (ISL) was migrated and now included. However withG ISL when bundled with DECimage you got a bunch of .h files specifically-L img$def.h plus a bunch of others. These do not seem to be available on AlphaF even though there appears to be a library. Thus we can not re link theE custom source code written C. Again the product description for Motift" version 1.2.5 says it is possible.J -Does anyone know which components were migrated from DECimage and where I$ might find the missing img$*.h files  J Q2. CDA converter library was being used to convert images from TIFF whereH they were being scanned on and NT front end to DDIF where they are beingI stored in an Oracle RDB database. While CDA exists on Alpha the convertermL library does not. The lack of the CDA converter library has left many peopleL hi and dry because it is used in DECmail, DECwrite, and a number of documentK type products. Without this product we can not convert images, and a numbertL of large clients ( i.e. probably the second biggest film processing company)8 along with us cant be the only ones facing this dilemma.? -Does anyone know what migration paths are available to replacep CDA-Converter Library on Alpha..    K Q3. Last but not least, if we don't convert the images from TIFF to DDIF wesI could possibly view them using Imageview.exe under CDE. However ImageviewIJ under CDE seems to want to only display LZW type TIFF images and not CCIT.I Also with this solution we would need to invoke ImageView.exe from withinwH Motif, eg run Imageview.exe instead of CDAViewer, but when we do this it crashes.J - Does anyone know of a method, third party or otherwise to convert TIF to DDIFL - Does any know if it is possible to make Imageview under CDE read TIFF CCIT	 standard.cH - Does anyone know how to get Imageviewer to run under DECwindows Motif.       Regardsg   Alan Pascoee Project Managerh
 Praxa Limitedr> 1996 Microsoft Worldwide Solution Provider Partner of the Year A ManTech International Companyd5 ( TEL  [61] 2 9433 3333 FAX 94333 222		Mob 0412APIT4U)8 : Internet address: alan.pascoe@praxa.com.au  Private *: alan.pascoe@it4u.com.au 3 * 403 Pacific Highway, ARTARMON, NSW Australia 2064?L J Nothing is to difficult - The customer is always right - But sometimes I'm wrong J@   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:35:23 +0200b( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL> Subject: COM for OpenVMSA Message-ID: <D680D25E5D2BD411AC060008C7F37BC24892@wt15.wt.tno.nl>u  	 Hi there,i  I I'm asked to look into the possibilities of using an existing applicationoL (Fortran as it is, but this could be converted into C++) to communicate with DLL's or program on a NT box.WO I came across COM for OpenVMS and was wondering if anyone out there has had any N experience in using this for application development and what effort is neededP to 'convert' an application from getting data locally to getting the information remotely/direct form a NT-box.   To be more precise:7N the current application uses calls to the IEZ-11 SCSI to IEEE convertor to getN data through an IEEE connection from a data-acquisition unit. Now they want toN make use of hardware linked to a PC running an application that uses DLL's forK the communication with those devices (connected through a TCP/IP link). You O could suggest to directly link to the data-acquisition unit through TCP/IP, butiH then I've have update the software every time there is an upgrade of theP hardware/firmware. Using the DLL's has the advantage of being independent of theM firmware as this will be handeld by the DLL's. Only changes in the calling of G the DLL's will have to end up in changing the code on the OpenVMS side.t    Any respons will be appreciated.   Mark  K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------gH Mark de Bruin                                   Voice : +31 15 269 69 05H TNO Crash Safety Centre Laboratories            Fax   : +31 15 257 21 04K Innovations, Communication & Information        GSM   : +31 653 44 21 45    G Room: GBS 1.1                                   E-mail: bruin@wt.tno.nlm7 P.O. Box 6033                                   URL   :e http://www.automotive.tno.nlI 2600 JA Delft  The Netherlands                          http://www.tno.nl:   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:12:56 +02009, From: "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl.rayon@wanadoo.fr>- Subject: Re: Convert question - DCPS printinge% Message-ID: <8ofkc7$ldq$1@wanadoo.fr>i   Dsol Jean-Francois, mais ...
 Sory, but ...e  J The TECO editor DO intepret the VFC values put in the header of the recordL generated by cobol "write after n" or "write after page", and translate themC by the good number of "Cariage-Return Line-Feed" or "Cariage-Returnr Form-Feed". $ A bientt au Symposium DECUS FRANCE, Amitis, Jean-Luc    F Jean-Franois Marchal <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> a crit dans le1 message : 8od4bb$9s3$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...  > Merci Jean-Luc ! > Thanks, but ... F > The global format of the file can be changed with several utilities,G > but they do NOT interpret the values put in the header of the record.a@ > The first byte indicates what to do before printing the recordE > (such as "skip n lines") ; the second what to do after. The problemoB > was to generate a new file containing new lines corresponding to > the carriage control specs.o	 > Amitise > Jean-Franoisa >T >w9 > "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl.rayon@wanadoo.fr> wrote in messagenK > > You can use the TECO editor, just edit the file and exit, a new versionr of6 > > the vile is created with a normal variable format.K > >  (The teco exit command is ex folowed by two <Escape> echoed as a "$".)' > > example: > > $edit/teco <vfc-filename>p	 > > *ex$$  > >...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:57:44 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>@ Subject: Re: DCPS Wish List (was Re: DCPS and PCL only printers)C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-5762E6.10574429082000@news.compaq.com>1  B In article <39AB0BEF.D053E713@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" $ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  C > ...however, if you think about it - break it down to the basics, lG > does it REALLY matter whether you do (x) in PS, PCL, multiple series oH > of escape sequences, etc. - isn't the end result essentially the same?  D DCPS uses PostScript for more than formatting your print job on the I page.  (Actually, in the case of an already-existing PostScript file, it  I does none of it unless something like layup or number-up is requested.)  .H The conversation with the printer, which includes validating paper size / and selecting a tray is all done in PostScript.0   Paul   -- c,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2000 14:10:19 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: DHCP server6 Message-ID: <8ogg8b$nei$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <39AAA9C3.9E44ACF7@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: :Hoff Hoffman wrote:> :>   TCP/IP Services V5.1 will likely include the DHCP client. : L :The way your have worded it, it sounds like the client already exists. (andN :based on some previous posting some time ago that one was either in the works? :or planned, I'd assume that one is almost if not fully ready).  :BN :Woud the client work on existing TCPIP 5.0 sites ? Or does it require special9 :hooks into the TCPIP stack that are not present in 5.0 ?t :TF :Releasing it now would help a lot of people, even if it is just Beta.   	--a  I   DHCP Client support involved rather more changes than could reasonably eH   be handled via a "retrofit" kit.  Retrofitting of features in general K   is something that is not taken lightly in engineering, given the effort, pK   the risks, and the effective results.  (I've seriously but unsuccessfullytH   suggested simply upgrading to get the required new features, and then L   documenting the (existing, latent) mechanism to reset the OpenVMS version $   number back down.  But I digress.)  F   As stated earlier, I expect to see DHCP Client in V5.1, and I expectG   to see a field test of V5.1 shipped with the OpenVMS V7.3 field test.iK   I don't know off-hand if it shipped with EFT1/SDK1, but (if not) I would  I   expect to see it with EFT2/SDK2.  I know DHCP Client was latent in the uE   early field tests of V5.1, but was not yet particularly documented._  J   I'll see about adding the new TCP/IP Features with the OpenVMS EFT2/SDK28   announcement.  Attached is the EFT1/SDK1 announcement.   	--i    2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: OpenVMS V7.3 SDK Info; Freeware V5h Date: 07 Jun 2000 00:00:00 GMT6 Message-ID: <8hm39n$q9e$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com> Distribution: worldE) Followup-To: vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtestt3 X-Complaints-To: usenet@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.coml[ X-Trace: mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com 960401527 26926 16.32.80.251 (7 Jun 2000 18:12:07 GMT)-) Organization: Compaq Computer Corporationy' Reply-To: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospams* NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2000 18:12:07 GMTN Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest,vmsnet.alpha      K   Follow-ups to this message have been set to vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest.e  I   Attached is the announcement of the start of the general external test iI   for OpenVMS V7.3.  Additional updates and features and information are  J   expected to be made available as the OpenVMS V7.3 field test progresses.  G   I am also now soliciting updates and new submissions for the OpenVMS lC   Freeware V5 release.  Submissions for the Freeware can be sent to F   openvms.freeware@compaq.com -- please note this email address is forF   submissions only and cannot accept requests for the field test kits.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  
         --   Dear Customer,  I Thank you for your interest in the OpenVMS Version 7.3 Software DeveloperrK Kit (SDK) Program.   We feel that this program has been very successful in n: the past, and we hope that you will decide to participate.  E The OpenVMS Version 7.3-EFT1 SDK will be available in July 2000 as anbG orderable kit through our DECdirect channel.  You can order the kit by  H ordering part number QA-MT3AD-H8 at a cost of $39.95.   Once the kit is E available, it will be as simple as calling 1-800-ATCOMPAQ.  Business  D Partners can order it on the Web through the Compaq Business Link at www.businesslink.compaq.com.  I The V7.3-EFT1 SDK will contain early releases of the OpenVMS V7.3 VAX andeJ Alpha operating systems, as well as DECwindows and network products.  The 2 SDK will also contain many new features including:  B o Write Bitmap and Shadow Minicopy -- Performance and availability&   enhancements to Shadowing full copy.  ) o Switched LAN as a cluster interconnect:t  A   - Support for Gigabit Ethernet and ATM as full switched clustera     interconnects.  B   - Allows all LAN devices to participate in load distribution of      cluster traffic.  F o Lock Manager 2000 (Alpha only) -- Enhancements that improve cluster G   and application performance, SMP system performance, and scalability     and application availability.s  K o Extended File Cache (XFC) Version 1.0 support (Alpha only) -- Replacementr<   for VIOC.  Extends the capabilities of cluster file cache.  I o RMS Locking -- Reduces global buffer bucket locks by removing locks for F   read operations.  Also allows RMS to read a record without taking a    record lock.  C o Kerberos Version 5 Security Client (Alpha only) -- Allows OpenVMSiD   applications to communicate and authenticate with NT5 domains and    most UNIX platforms.  C o Clusterwide Intrusion Detection -- Expands the current individualrD   node-base intrusion detection in OpenVMS today to be cluster-wide    and cluster aware.  E o QIO Server (Alpha only) -- Provides improved performance over MSCP, F   improved scaling and system management control, reduced maintenance D   cost, and a public device driver interface to support third party    driver writers.-  F o SCSI Fastpath (Alpha only) -- Improves SCSI performance and scaling    in SMP systems.   
 o And more.       J The OpenVMS Version 7.3-EFT2 SDK is presently scheduled to be available inK September/October  2000.  Customers can choose to either purchase both the iL OpenVMS Version 7.3-EFT1 SDK and the OpenVMS Version 7.3-EFT2 SDK at a cost # of $39.95 each, or just select one.   E Support for the SDK program will continue to be through the following  Internet newsgroup:f  "       vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest  I Please see the OpenVMS Web Page www.openvms.compaq.com  in late June 2000"; timeframe for additional information for ordering this kit.   K Your involvement and support have been very important to the success of theCH overall SDK Program.  We hope that you will continue to support Version ' 7.3-EFT1 as this program moves forward.t  
 Sincerely,   OpenVMS Product Management      N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2000 13:51:38 GMT1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> & Subject: Re: DHCP server configuration2 Message-ID: <01c011c0$7cf44470$bb0ba8c0@rlhkikker>  C When I was configuring DHCP in our site, I noticed the same lack of  documentation.H After calling Compaq support because of some problems I encontered, they6 kindly sent me the DHCP_MANUAL_CONF documentation too.  K  Hopefully they are adding the documentation in their web site too, becauseaG VMS cluster is a very good place to run DHCP with clusterwide reduntant0K configuration and I think some other people will miss the manual config doce too.  J There are catches in some DHCP configurations that the these manuals won'tK tell you, so be aware of that. If you have any exact problems, I can try tom help (if I have time ;) )"   Kari Keronen System Specialist:  A Michael T. Davis <DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in article@1 <8oe7os$mch$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...  > B >         I've been trying to pick up the information necessary to
 configure andoF > run the DHCP server under TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.  DEQ's onlineC > documentation has a section entitled "Defining Client Informationi
 Manually",E > which I was hoping would provide a more thorough explanation of theu various2H > settings, and perhaps some examples.  It seems to be somewhat lacking, though, E > since the following is the _entire_ contents of that section of the  manual:i > I >  By editing DHCP configuration files and updating binary databases, youm can=I >  define DHCP client information manually instead of using the DHCP GUI.l > H >  For information about how to define DHCP client information manually, seem >  Section 7.4.e > ) > Hmm...What? ...This _IS_ "Section 7.4"!  > F >         We have a rather specific configuration in mind, and at this point,I > I don't even know if DHCP would provide the functionality we're lookingn for.H > Is there any documentation out there describing the configuration of a DHCP( > server in detail (esp. with examples)? > 	 > Thanks,- >  Mike  > --E >              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist:o ChE,MSEu; >   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental1 Networking/ComputingA >            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio Statee
 UniversityC > http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614)f 292-6928 >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:01:43 GMTE/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> ' Subject: disk hardware config question:eF Message-ID: <bnPq5.9752$Q36.728800@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  E I have three VAX 7860s and and Alpha 8400, each with four CI devices.hI They are each connected to four star couplers which in turn are connectedC8 to 10 HSJ50s, loaded with 4.3 GB disks and 9.1 GB disks.  K I need to add an Alpha to this cluster.    I need to make sure that the newtF Alpha gets at least as good disk access as everything else gets today.? I also need to make sure that the VAXes do not lose any disk IOs' performance until I can phase them out.    Question 1.o  E If I add an ES40 with Gbit ethernet, and if I put Gbit ethernet on myrG Alpha 8400,  can I expect that the 8400 will MSCP serve CI disk storage G to the ES40 at a rate equal to, or better than the VAX 7800s can access  the CI storage directly?  C I guess the question has to do with weather the CIPCAs and the 8400*C backplane can serve the data faster than the VAX 7800 with a CIXCD.s   Question 2:e  D If I add fibre channel to the alpha 8400 and the ES40,  what kind ofG disk IO performance could I expect if I serve this storage to my VAXes.r  ? The VAXes have 10baseT ehternet and FDDI (one each).  They alsoeA have the four CIXCDs I mentioned. Would the fibre channel storage A be served to the VAXes over the network (fddi and/or ethernet) ornA would it find its way through the 8400 and the CIPCAs to the stary. coupler, then through the CIXCDs to the VAXes?  G The answer to these questions will help determine whether I buy a GS140h. with more CIPCAs (yechh) or an ES40 (or GS80).   As always, TIA.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:33:27 -0400 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>/ Subject: Re: dtr datatrieve vax to alpha (acl?) D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000829063327.009d65a0@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hi Jim,h  J To the best of my recollection, DTR was "decoupled and debundled" from CDDG at version 7.0 or thereabouts (I think in an effort by Compaq/Oracle tooG make more money). The default after V 7.0 is to NOT USE CDD. Anyway, ifDJ your VAX and Alpha are clustered or using a common environment setup, thisI could be the problem since Vaxen and Alphen will happily use the same CDDC0 and the logicals for CDD may be getting defined.   Try doing a    $SHOW LOG CDD*  ) and see if you get something like this...n   LMN$PROCESS_TABLET  , "CDD$DEFAULT" = "CDD$TOP.DTR$USERS.DTRUSERS"     (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  .   "CDD$COMPATIBILITY" = "SYS$COMMON:[CDDPLUS]"*   "CDD$DICTIONARY" = "SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]"2   "CDD$EXTENSIONS" = "SYS$COMMON:[CDD_EXTENSIONS]"%   "CDD$SMGSHR" = "SYS$LIBRARY:SMGSHR"t.   "CDD$TEMPLATE" = "SYS$COMMON:[CDD$TEMPLATE]"2   "CDD$TEMPLATEDB" = "SYS$COMMON:[CDD$TEMPLATEDB]"  I If you see these system logicals defined then your alpha is configured to: use CDD and will look for it.D  " Also have a look at the results of   $SHOW LOG DTR*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)      "DTR$EDIT" = "TPU"   "DTR$NOWINDOWS" = "TRUE"   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  ,   "DTR$LIBRARY" [super] = "SYS$COMMON:[DTR]"+   "DTR$LIBRARY" [exec] = "SYS$COMMON:[DTR]"T)   "DTR$STARTUP" = "PROD$DIR:DTRSTART.COM"a1   "DTR$TCPSERVER" [super] = "SYS$SYSTEM:DDMF.COM"i0   "DTR$TCPSERVER" [exec] = "SYS$SYSTEM:DDMF.COM". This will show you where your DTR configs are.   Hope this helps...   Regards,   Jimt% At 01:34 AM 8/29/2000 GMT, you wrote:NF >I am having trouble with Alpha Datatrieve. I have used VAX for years.? >I have all privileges in my username(s). We are not using CDD.e >oL >1) I have a problem with Alpha Datatrieve v7.1's DEFINE DICTIONARY command.2 >The only system logicals that I have for DTR are:# >"DTR$LIBRARY" = "SYS$COMMON:[DTR]"(( >"DTR$TCPSERVER" = "SYS$SYSTEM:DDMF.COM" > 9 >DTR> definep  cdd$top.test   1   user=myname, grant=all;g >DTR> showp  cdd$top.testa >       (RWE,RWE,RWE,) >  1:mG >(IDENTIFIER=[mygroup,myname],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)a >n >DEFINE  DICTIONARY  JIM >yields the error - >%LIB-F-INVFILSPE, invalid file specification  >t! >(That command works on the VAX).  >e >uI >2) Does the Alpha use the SYS$SYSTEM:CDD.DIC that I copied from the VAX?a- >I think the Alpha is using some other file??- >- >-G >3) Did I overlook some simple "Migrating Datatrieve from VAX to Alpha" 
 >document?7 >The  HELP new_features   has not yet helped me enough.o >s > M >4) With my username, I see different cdd$top dictionaries than I do with the  >SYSTEM username!!?? >5 >Jim Strehlow, jims@data911.com  >  >  >  > 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-l7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial SystemsA Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA8  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235- Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com h        jhjennis@shentel.netr& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:13:57 -0700 % From: Jim Strehlow <jims@data911.com>R/ Subject: RE: dtr datatrieve vax to alpha (acl?)S$ Message-ID: <01C01191.15198CE0@JimS>  - CPUs are on a network; but are not clustered.>C $SHOW LOG CDD* only displays a system "CDDSHR_TV" [exec] = "CDDSHR" : I have no accidental logicals or symbols set for "DEFINE".; I will probably delete SYS$COMMON:[DTR]*.*;* and try again.y   Jim Strehlow, jims@data911.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:07:55 +0100pB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: From VMS to NT * Message-ID: <39ABA79B.43325CDA@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:  G > On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:56:35 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyJ# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:w >eD > >And as for selling against technology we don't have, Sun debunkedE > >Digitals 64 bit VLM claims because Digital did not have a platformeM > >with the 8400 that could show any benefit from using things like in-memory I > >tables and large  SGA's. That was because the slot tradeoffs that were K > >required in the 8400 made it virtually impossible to build a system thatmL > >had the right combination of CPU's memory and I/O to provide any tangibleL > >benefits. Sadly for Digital it was HP with a combination of large memory,K > >large numbers of CPU's and large amounts of I/O plus a 64bit OS who werevN > >the first people to be able to actually demonstrate the benefits of using aL > >64bit OS for things like TPC-C, Digital never showed any benefits at all. >oF > This is pure bunk.  I don't know where you get your information, butG > in real-world experience, lots of people got major benefit from large H > SGAs in Oracle (and global buffers, in Rdb).  I know, I've implemented5 > these systems, and most of them run on VMSclusters.i3 > Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqe/ > (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)i  I So they may have but crucially they did not need a 64 bit OS to get thesetM benefits. Oracle SGA's can be bigger than 4 GB on 32 bit OS's and 32 bit OS'spL with a filesystem buffer cache can cache tables as big as you have available memory.4  H So yes you may have been able to show that a bigger SGA or being able toI cache tables was a benefit, but sadly for Digital Sun  and the other UNIXa vendors9M could do just the same thing with a 32 bit OS but on platforms that supported  moreN physical memory, more I/O and more CPU's. As an example even a Sun E4500 which is aB mid range server could have had 12 CPU's 24 GB of RAM and a decentH I/O subsystem while an 8400 would have to trade CPU's for memory or I/O.  K So sorry not pure bunk, though it is a great description of Digitals 64 bit  DBMSI performance claims. Remember Digital were claiming that having a 64bit OSl	 magicallytJ made the AlphaServer range into performance leaders, while the fact is the physical limitations5 of the boxes ment that these claims were mostly bunk.p   Regardsd Andrew Harrisong Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:57:55 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDe/ Message-ID: <0025694A.005CEDC0.00@quegw01.btyp>u  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazae     Dan,  K I think you are starting to alienate yourself from many people who could be 2 helpful to you at some time, now or in the future.  I I would say this though - if this person from Compaq was so sure that youdP wouldn't be infringing anyones legal or otherwise rights, or potentially causingM them some or other problem by them handing over a copy of the source CD, thenFB ask yourself why they themselves are or were unwilling to do so...   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pages         0 Dan <beyonder@vrx.net> on 27/08/2000 06:38:45 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)-< From:      Dan <beyonder@vrx.net>, 27 August 2000, 6:38 p.m.  2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD         "John E. Malmberg" wrote:8  N > You can generally only use a verbal modification to a written policy, if youK > can prove that a named employee made them.  If you can not get that namedlM > employee to directly testify on your behalf in court, you would need at the J > least an unbiased witness.  If you have a voice recording, the burden of1 > proof for it's authenticy would also be on you.2   Then call them yourself! record the conversation.	 whatever..  L > You have been asking people who generally being dependent on being in goodM > standing with the company for their livelyhood to risk that on the basis ofr. > a VERBAL statement of an unnamed individual.   Then call them yourself!  N > He has also referred you to contact the official channels as this discussion( > has gone outside of his job functions.  H I did. and this is what they TOLD ME: it's far better to contact someone directly than go through them.  I > That may or may not help if there was a court case against a person whoiH > loaned their source listing to someone else.  A court case can be veryN > expensive and the outcome could go either way.  Who really wants to test the	 > system?e   Then call Compaq yourself!  M > Again, as you said, that is a VERBAL statement that is not confirmed by any L > WRITTEN statement and unless you can get an offical WRITTEN statement from > them, it will not hold up.  3 Sure it will. verbal contracts are legally binding.I call them yourself!C record the conversation.	 whatever.O  H > Not putting it in writing means that the corporation can deny grantingC > verbal permission, making any legal action by them much stronger.E  	 not true.C' call them yourself, verify it yourself.E  J > If you think the source license is too expensive, get an estimate from aD > Lawyer of the legal exposure you are asking someone to commit too. >f; > Even if you are correct, proving it could be very costly."  * No, it would take one phone call from you. which is very cheap.   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:08:44 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDR/ Message-ID: <0025694A.005DEBC9.00@quegw01.btyp>w  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza      Dan (Beyonder) posted;  M "It's not like I'm going to sell copies of the damn thing (who the hell wouldu want one?)"e   Well, you for one...   ;^D    Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagese   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:41:57 +0100 (GDT)t) From: Andy Harper <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk>$! Subject: Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?T1 Message-ID: <SIMEON.10008291057.N@odin.kcl.ac.uk>i  H On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:09:50 -0400 David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  wrote:   > Matthias Koch wrote: > >  > > Hi!y > > D > > I'm looking for an IMAP server for VMS. I know that there is oneH > > included in the CPQ Office Server 5, but I don't want to install the> > > huge package (and license it) just for having mail access.L > > I can't use POP any longer, because our network administrator closed theG > > port for security reasons (he had some trouble with POP on his Unixe > > machines). > L > This hearing about problems caused by the decisions of network people justL > astonishes me.  When did I sleep through the announcement that the networkM > people were allocated rule of the entire planet?  Last time I knew anything.Q > about it, they were there to provide a service, not dictate how the rest of the  > company would be run.t  G   I think that's a little unfair.  Network people (and I am NOT one at 'H present, though I have been) have to strike a balance between all kinds H of things - performance, security, facilities etc. ANy one of these not D set up to the user's/managements satisfaction results in them being  blamed.   H   My personal stance is that (a) management decide what facilities they H want (b) network people decide the best way to implement them (c) users G who want additional facilities need to persuade management of the need.0  D   However, I do agree that dropping POP for 'security' reasons is a E littl stupid. If you want to be really secure, block of all services  @ completly - that'll stop 'em! Mind you, your users won't be too E pleased... As always, it's a fine balance - to provide faciliti4s to tF the general user, you have to accept some level of potential secuirty  hazard.*   ---------------------- Andy Harperi   Systems and Mail Manager Kings College London   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:37:11 +0100 (GDT) ) From: Andy Harper <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk>o! Subject: Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?.1 Message-ID: <SIMEON.10008291011.M@odin.kcl.ac.uk>2  4 On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:58:32 GMT "Richard L. Dyson"  <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote:o   > Niranjan Rajaghatta wrote: > > F > > How about Pine server from washington university ? It is freeware. > @ > 	The last I checked, it did not do IMAP4 *AND* run on OpenVMS.D > The version that was working for OpenVMS did the previous IMAP.  I2 > think Andy Harper was working on it at one time. > 2 > 	Did Andy get IMAP4 in the PINE package to work?  B   Unfortunately, no it doesn't as yet.  First of all, u of w were G unwilling to take on the modifications to the code that I made to pine iF 3.91 to make it work under vms - the version they have available does F not though they claim it does. This made it very difficult to work on G the version 4 release as I have to start from scratch. Second, I don't oG have easy access to vms any more, thanks to our management deciding to sG go with the 'far superior' unix system (my quotes). As such, there has a@ been little progress on it so far. This, added to the fact that E washington seem to release new versions at a rapid rate means I cant d keep up!  E So, apologies to those waiting for a free version of IMAP4. I cannot ,C promise when it will be available. If you're desperate there's the -: commercial one from innosoft and, I think, there's one in  multinet/process software now.   Regards,   Andy Harperg Kings College London   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:29:55 +0000b$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk! Subject: Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?o/ Message-ID: <0025694A.0054E0C7.00@quegw01.btyp>s  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazae    3 I would like to be the first, but I'd be fibbing...    Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesm        > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> on 28/08/2000 05:09:50 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)lJ From:      David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, 28 August 2000, 5:09 p.m.   Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?         Matthias Koch wrote: >B > Hi!f >aB > I'm looking for an IMAP server for VMS. I know that there is oneF > included in the CPQ Office Server 5, but I don't want to install the< > huge package (and license it) just for having mail access.J > I can't use POP any longer, because our network administrator closed theE > port for security reasons (he had some trouble with POP on his Unix1 > machines).  J This hearing about problems caused by the decisions of network people justJ astonishes me.  When did I sleep through the announcement that the networkK people were allocated rule of the entire planet?  Last time I knew anything O about it, they were there to provide a service, not dictate how the rest of theu company would be run.n  N Just as a sanity check, is there anybody out there that can report a situationK where the network people aren't running the whole show, and are expected torF provide required services, not dictate what protocols can or cannot be( transmitted over the network?  Even one?   Dave   --4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:19:52 GMTe& From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)! Subject: Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?"1 Message-ID: <39abcab8.109491520@news.newsguy.com>o  5 On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:41:57 +0100 (GDT), Andy Harpera <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk> wrote:    H >  I think that's a little unfair.  Network people (and I am NOT one at I >present, though I have been) have to strike a balance between all kinds oI >of things - performance, security, facilities etc. ANy one of these not yE >set up to the user's/managements satisfaction results in them being   >blamed. >bI >  My personal stance is that (a) management decide what facilities they gI >want (b) network people decide the best way to implement them (c) users EH >who want additional facilities need to persuade management of the need. >hE >  However, I do agree that dropping POP for 'security' reasons is a nF >littl stupid. If you want to be really secure, block of all services A >completly - that'll stop 'em! Mind you, your users won't be too rF >pleased... As always, it's a fine balance - to provide faciliti4s to G >the general user, you have to accept some level of potential secuirty q >hazard.  F And trouble is caused by all sorts of dubious software designed to getE round firewalls by disguisng itself and sitting on a well known port.eD For instance the gnutella protocol clients (poornan's napster) setup> guides actually tell you how to get round "interfering networkF administrators" and suggest you configure on ports which look like web servers or pop clients etc.n  B There are actually PC utilities out there which can tunnel winsockD calls via http on port 80 to a co-operating socks server anywhere on? the Internet thus bypassing Firewall security. One such utilitypC actually advertises "Take control of any PC behind a firewall"  andaF sends occasional innocent looking http requests to a server which then1 piggy backs the inbound data on the web response.e  D Some of these utilities in conjunction with a socksify program allow@ you to run any client *OR SERVER* through a firewall. Everything> tunneled through port 80. In other words connect your IntranetF directly to the Internet with only a minimal web proxy server requiredE from any user's desktop. Telnet, IRC, NNTP, Napster, Cult of the Dead A Cow etc then work as if the firewall wasn't there. And no I'm notp publically posting pointers! M   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:08:11 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?< Message-ID: <LdRq5.55591$_s1.651572@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.comF "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:3KXCSMS4di7W@eisner.decus.org...eG > In article <200008250540.HAA01261@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingerta <win@fom.fgan.de> writes: 
 > > Hello, > > K > > I did red, that Compaq will build the fastes supercomputer for the NNSAlJ > > (National Nuclear Security Administration) with 1,250MHz CPU's. Have IH > > missed a new announcement, or will this CPU announced later? If thisG > > CPU is available, what is the minimum version of OpenVMS (7.1-2H1 Iw hope)? > @ > You read that they "will build", so it sounds like 1250 MHz isA > a planned speed.  When you read that they "delivered" then thatn > CPU will be "out" :-)   K Yep. Fastest CPUs Compaq has in-house in any quantity right now are 1044MHzrI EV68 bins from IBM. Said chips have been tested up to >1200MHz or so. You D can expect the 1044MHz parts to materialize in a 1CQ-2CQ01 GS-Series. upgrade; 1250MHz chips will be somewhat later.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:40:54 GMTs! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>F9 Subject: Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...$' Message-ID: <39ABBDC0.46B27AE7@vrx.net>r   Not ENTIRELY true. What about DEC Unix?3 What about OS/2 ? (YES! DEC made a version of OS/2)mD I know that for a fact, because I have a copy of OS/2 for the VAX...  4 of all the weird things to find on a TK50... sigh...   Dan.   Scott Vieth wrote:   > All: > 0 > For those of you lucky enough to be blessed by3 > having Network World appear in your mailbox everyh0 > week, please turn to page 42 of today's issue. >F7 > "Acquired by Compaq in 1998, Digital reached its peakM > in the late 1980s on the6 > strength of the VAX, a line of computers that ranged= > from what today we call workgroup servers to mainframe-likei > server clusters. >a2 > All of them ran Digital's operating system, VMS" > 
 > Reeeeeally?5 >8) > The author of that article is John Cox.d > His email is jcox@nww.comC >e > -Scott ;^)   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2000 11:10:24 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) 9 Subject: Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...u* Message-ID: <8ogjp0$r4l$1@lisa.gemair.com>  K In article <39ABBDC0.46B27AE7@vrx.net>, Beyonder  <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:g >Not ENTIRELY true.  >What about DEC Unix?a  D The product once known as DEC Unix never ran on a VAX.  What did runB on VAXen was BSD Unix, Ultrix and a SysV port (that was never very	 popular).   4 >What about OS/2 ? (YES! DEC made a version of OS/2)E >I know that for a fact, because I have a copy of OS/2 for the VAX...  >e5 >of all the weird things to find on a TK50... sigh...e  9 I've never heard of this and frankly, I don't believe it.s  = Maybe I'd believe that there was an OS/2 for MIPS DECstations@: which might be on a TK50, but VAX, nope, don't believe it.  > Don't bother offerring to trade me this TK50 with OS/2 for VAX< for some source listings.  I don't have any source listings.   >i >Dan.o >e > [snip] >    -Jordan Hendersoni jordan@greenapple.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:41:34 -0400n4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>9 Subject: RE: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...hJ Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D85056682CC@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C011CF.9ECD7E86o Content-Type: text/plain  9 I think you mean Ultrix and BSD Unix, not OS/2 and DUnix..   > -----Original Message-----( > From:	Beyonder [SMTP:beyonder@vrx.net]( > Sent:	Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:41 AM > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC; > Subject:	Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...t >  > Not ENTIRELY true. > What about DEC Unix?5 > What about OS/2 ? (YES! DEC made a version of OS/2)xF > I know that for a fact, because I have a copy of OS/2 for the VAX... > 6 > of all the weird things to find on a TK50... sigh... >  > Dan. >  > Scott Vieth wrote: >  > > All: > >w2 > > For those of you lucky enough to be blessed by5 > > having Network World appear in your mailbox everyw2 > > week, please turn to page 42 of today's issue. > >f9 > > "Acquired by Compaq in 1998, Digital reached its peaku > > in the late 1980s on the8 > > strength of the VAX, a line of computers that ranged? > > from what today we call workgroup servers to mainframe-like8 > > server clusters. > >e4 > > All of them ran Digital's operating system, VMS" > >c > > Reeeeeally?v > >h+ > > The author of that article is John Cox.r > > His email is jcox@nww.com  > >  > > -Scott ;^) >   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C011CF.9ECD7E86  Content-Type: text/htmlt+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableh  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">e <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =I charset=3DUS-ASCII">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2651.65">d? <TITLE>RE: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...</TITLE>e </HEAD>l <BODY>  E <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I think you mean =V/ Ultrix and BSD Unix, not OS/2 and DUnix.</FONT>  </P> <UL>B <P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>I <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT = ? SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Beyonder [SMTP:beyonder@vrx.net]</FONT>nI <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT =s? SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:41 AM</FONT>a <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =sF FACE=3D"Arial">To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 =+ FACE=3D"Arial">Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>o <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =gI FACE=3D"Arial">Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT>= E </B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Re: It's too bad all those VAXen =  only ran VMS...</FONT> </P>  : <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Not ENTIRELY true.</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">What about DEC Unix?</FONT>0F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">What about OS/2 ? (YES! DEC made a = version of OS/2)</FONT>cE <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I know that for a fact, because I =o) have a copy of OS/2 for the VAX...</FONT>c </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">of all the weird things to find on a =I TK50... sigh...</FONT> </P>  , <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Dan.</FONT> </P>  : <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Scott Vieth wrote:</FONT> </P>  1 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; All:</FONT>w- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>qI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; For those of you lucky enough to =c be blessed by</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; having Network World appear in =  your mailbox every</FONT>.H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; week, please turn to page 42 of = today's issue.</FONT>s- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>nD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &quot;Acquired by Compaq in =% 1998, Digital reached its peak</FONT>oF <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; in the late 1980s on the</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; strength of the VAX, a line of =a computers that ranged</FONT>@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; from what today we call =* workgroup servers to mainframe-like</FONT>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; server clusters.</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>uB <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; All of them ran Digital's =" operating system, VMS&quot;</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>49 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; Reeeeeally?</FONT>S- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>yF <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; The author of that article is = John Cox.</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; His email is jcox@nww.com</FONT> - <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>-8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; -Scott ;^)</FONT> </P> </UL>m </BODY>r </HTML>.) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C011CF.9ECD7E86--r   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2000 15:57:14 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9 Subject: Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS... 6 Message-ID: <8ogmgq$o9d$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K In article <39ABBDC0.46B27AE7@vrx.net>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:n :Not ENTIRELY true.e :What about DEC Unix?   C   As you say, "not entirely true" -- since we're all being somewhatrC   pedantic here -- the "DEC UNIX" product never ran on a VAX.  The     ULTRIX VAX product did.e  4 :What about OS/2 ? (YES! DEC made a version of OS/2)  D   OS/2 on VAX?  That's news to me.  For my own ellucidation, what's 7   the kit part number or the full text of the kit name?t  E :I know that for a fact, because I have a copy of OS/2 for the VAX...m  G   AFAIK, OS/2 was originally written in 80286 assembly language.  I've iF   seen a few folks with add-in cards that could permit a VAX system toH   "run" OS/2, and it might well be (have been) feasible to have OS/2 in G   the old SoftPC/SoftWindows environment, and this might be a referencef    to the PATHWORKS OS/2 stuff...  B   But I've never seen nor heard of a native VAX version of OS/2...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:09:22 -0500 (CDT)t From: sms@antinode.org5 Subject: Low-level interface to AlpSta parallel port?s) Message-ID: <00082911092240@antinode.org>l  F    When I get some (currently non-copious) free time, I'd like to playH around with a low-level, bit-twiddling interface to the parallel port on= my AlpSta 200 4/233, in the hopes of controlling some simple,s non-printer hardware.s  G    A quick look at the I/O documentation suggested nothing.  LRA0 looksaC very printer-like.  Is there a QIO path through the LR driver which D would do this?  Actual answers or pointers to documentation would be welcome.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)sC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)r9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)n   ------------------------------  / Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:57:38 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>- Subject: NFS (PCNFS) does no lomger function! 6 Message-ID: <200008290654.IAA14770@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  J we do use UCX 4.2 ECO 1 under OpenVMS 7.1-2. Since a few month the NFS andK PCNFS does not function. The user reports this problem just now. So I can'tl; say when this problem starts. The NFS server starts normal:d  > 	%%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER	2-AUG-2000 09:57:51:44  %%%%%%%%%%%%9 	%UCX-S-NFS_INISUC, NFS server is starting using log fileo3 	SYS$SYSDEVICE:[UCX$NFS]UCX$NFS_AMP0_LOGFILE.LOG;17h  > 	%%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER	2-AUG-2000 09:57:51:51  %%%%%%%%%%%%0 	%UCX-S-NFS_INITST, Sarting NFS with parameters:  	Writing into errlog is enaqbled 	Default UID is -2 	Default GID is -2" 	Inactivity timer ist set to 02:00  > 	%%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER	2-AUG-2000 09:57:54:42  %%%%%%%%%%%%6 	%UCX-S-NFS_HSTNAM, NFS server is running on host AMP0  ! After this there are some errors:a  
 Error type 1:e  > 	%%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER	2-AUG-2000 09:57:54:47  %%%%%%%%%%%%6 	%UCX-S-NFS_PROGVS, invalid RPC program version numberF 	-UCX-S-NFS_RPCHDR, xid = >diff. numbers<  program = >100005 ! 100003<! 		version = >2 ! 3< procedure = 0v/ 	-UCX-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=0 gid=0 hostname = 		oru2 	-UCX-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=-2 gid=-2 hostname=sn43		o1 	-UCX-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=204 gid=204 hostname=sn43t  " >content< means different content.  
 Error type 2:y  > 	%%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER	2-AUG-2000 11:28:09.16  %%%%%%%%%%%%: 	%UCX-S-NFS_NOPROG, requested RPC program unavailable			 	G 	-UCX-S-NFS_RPCHDR, xid = >diff. numbers<  program = 100227 version = 2v 		procedure = 3f/ 	-UCX-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=0 gid=0 hostname = sn43   N The error type 2 is seen after a MNTSUC (successful mount). On the client side= (PC) we see access denied or Sun Solaris directory not found.d   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:04:33 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)1 Subject: Re: NFS (PCNFS) does no lomger function!cL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2908000304330001@user-2ive677.dialup.mindspring.com>  ^ In article <200008290654.IAA14770@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:   > Hello, > L > we do use UCX 4.2 ECO 1 under OpenVMS 7.1-2. Since a few month the NFS andB > PCNFS does not function. The user reports this problem just now.   Don't you just love users!  + > So I can't say when this problem starts. t  ' Hint: what is the user's date of birth?e  C Tell him he has to re-install windoze.  If he has pointy hair, tell 4 him to turn his peecee upside down and shake it. :-)  M Sorry I can't help you with your NFS problem.  We never got it to work at allo6 and the peecee folks went away and did something else.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comI   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:46:58 -0400f2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?-L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2908000246590001@user-2ive677.dialup.mindspring.com>  f In article <39AB0B03.7486B472@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:    F > Actually the name of the product is "Reflection" - singular, but for7 > some reason everyone calls it "Reflections" - plural.e  G If you look closely at the package, you'll see that that "s" on the endn is really a "$" :-)o  D I know one guy who uses this package on his PeeCee.  It looks awful.L He has to click a bunch of mousey-buttons because he can't make the keyboardF do some stuff.  Backspace and delete are messed up.  The VT emulation E in general seems awful when he connects to VMS.  Maybe he just has itm configured wrong?E   He mainly uses it to talk to some horrid administrative bean-counter system, which claims that no other emulator will work.  Reflection cost a lot, andt; he hates it.  But I am PeeCee-free, so it's Not My Problem.i   -- c Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:01:55 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>l- Subject: Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?l) Message-ID: <39AB5FE3.35EF477B@gtech.com>e   Robert Deininger wrote:eF > I know one guy who uses this package on his PeeCee.  It looks awful.N > He has to click a bunch of mousey-buttons because he can't make the keyboardG > do some stuff.  Backspace and delete are messed up.  The VT emulationoG > in general seems awful when he connects to VMS.  Maybe he just has it  > configured wrong?  >  > He mainly uses it to talk to some horrid administrative bean-counter system, which claims that no other emulator will work.  Reflection cost a lot, andt= > he hates it.  But I am PeeCee-free, so it's Not My Problem.P  C Reflection 2/4/X are very good products (I have never used 1 or 8).e  D The default keyboard mapping are probably as good as it can be (a PC keyboard% and a VT keyboard are not identical).w  6 And it is possible to configure it just like one want.   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:25:32 GMTnL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")- Subject: Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?I8 Message-ID: <009EF4D8.1ADD5ECE@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <rdeininger-2908000246590001@user-2ive677.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: g >In article <39AB0B03.7486B472@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:I >h > G >> Actually the name of the product is "Reflection" - singular, but ford8 >> some reason everyone calls it "Reflections" - plural. > H >If you look closely at the package, you'll see that that "s" on the end >is really a "$" :-) >yE >I know one guy who uses this package on his PeeCee.  It looks awful.3M >He has to click a bunch of mousey-buttons because he can't make the keyboardmG >do some stuff.  Backspace and delete are messed up.  The VT emulation  F >in general seems awful when he connects to VMS.  Maybe he just has it >configured wrong?  J He has it configured wrong.  Configured correctly, Reflection is a really L excellent VT emulator, making good use of whatever keyboard layout you have.  J (If you're using X Reflection you have to tell it you've got a VMS host or it'll be a pain in the butt.)u   -- Alan (happy customer)  O ===============================================================================-0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-02101O ===============================================================================-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:12:34 +0100<$ From: Andy Burns <andy@burns.uk.net>- Subject: Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?g8 Message-ID: <cvrmqsg6rq2li1i713k4s7lgb9lv3qhlsa@4ax.com>   Arne Vajhj wrote:  D >Reflection 2/4/X are very good products (I have never used 1 or 8).  B I agree, I never had a VT emulation problem even when using sixel   E >The default keyboard mapping are probably as good as it can be (a PCl/ >keyboard and a VT keyboard are not identical).s  F as you say the default is as good as it can be, but you can bolt on anJ LK450 and get the real thing ... then be disorientated when you go back to6 a normal PC and start getting ins/home/pgup confused !     --  
 Andy Burns   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:10:22 -0400o0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>- Subject: Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ? D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000829061022.009d1bc0@discovery.fuentez.com>  	 Hi Roland@   Actually no...    J SuperNova was written by a bunch of Unix developers in the Netherlands whoH founded their own company. The former CEO was Josse Gil (not sure on theI spelling) who was one of the pioneers who worked on the original ports ofo Unix in Europe.<  & The product was developed about 1988.   G I found it quite by accident in 1995 when I was involved in a major DCE G development project (part of which was on OpenVMS) and was the originalnG beta tester of both the MOTIF and the WEB development interface on OVMS  (using OSU httpd).   Regards,   Jims' At 08:01 PM 8/28/2000 -0400, you wrote:c< >In <39a80b91.20003114@news.clt.bellsouth.net>, on 08/28/00 < >   at 08:01 PM, mike_myers@bellsouth.net (Mike Myers) said: >h >aJ >Interesting...never heard of SuperNova.  Did that go by another name in a >different life? >@ >Rolandi > H >>WRQ purchased SuperNova and now renamed the cross platform development >>tool to Verastream.t >SJ >>On 26 Aug 2000 08:50:10 -0400, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) >>wrote: >e< >>>In article <39a6f538$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>,0 >>> <yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net> wrote:8 >>>>In <spqk458487v104@corp.supernews.com>, on 08/25/00 F >>>>   at 06:37 PM, "Jim Jennis" <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> said: >>>> >>>>K >>>>Isn't WRQ the symbol for what used to be/is Wind River Systems?  If so,h >>>>the library is Zinc. >>>> >>>oJ >>>No, I don't think so.  WRQ has been known by WRQ for years.  Their nameF >>>used to be Walker R.. Q... (I can't remember, which is probably why# >>>they simplified it to just WRQ.)n >>>iJ >>>I didn't know that they had a UI toolkit.  I was always quite impressedC >>>with their X-Windows Server for Windows and their Telnet client,9 >>>Reflection. >>>X
 >>>>Roland >>>> >>>c >>>-Jordan Henderson >>>jordan@greenapple.com >t >-- < >-----------------------------------------------------------E >yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"s7 >                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52w9 >                            For a Microsoft free univers < >----------------------------------------------------------- >y >o8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-o7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.t8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems  Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235  Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com a        jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:14:17 -0400m0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>- Subject: Re: Portable GUIs (VMS+Windows-NT) ?ED Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000829061417.009d4530@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hi Again Roland,  I Actually, it DOES SUPPORT Motif, Win AND OS/2 Presentation Mgr.. I am not=E so sure if the OS/2 support is in the current version (since OS/2 has.I fallen out of favor so much), however, I KNOW it was there as of 1998. If"I you have a job to do with OS/2 (and you want to buy enough licenses) they  may be able to help you.  K Anyway, I work with their R&D folks quite often, so if you have an OS/2 jobAD and want to look into Verastream (aka SuperNova), write me off line.   Regards,   JimP  ' At 07:58 PM 8/28/2000 -0400, you wrote:Z0 >In <8o8ee2$7pg$1@lisa.gemair.com>, on 08/28/00 @ >   at 07:58 PM, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) said: >O >aH >Hmmm...too bad they don't support OS/2 with that GUI as well.  This wasJ >always a question that kept coming up when Zinc was alive.  People wanted= >them to add VMS support to the DOS & other platform support.& >p >Rolandb >&; >>In article <39a6f538$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>,o/ >> <yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net> wrote: 7 >>>In <spqk458487v104@corp.supernews.com>, on 08/25/00 eE >>>   at 06:37 PM, "Jim Jennis" <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> said:0 >>>> >>> J >>>Isn't WRQ the symbol for what used to be/is Wind River Systems?  If so, >>>the library is Zinc.E >>>F >=I >>No, I don't think so.  WRQ has been known by WRQ for years.  Their name J >>used to be Walker R.. Q... (I can't remember, which is probably why they >>simplified it to just WRQ.)i >.I >>I didn't know that they had a UI toolkit.  I was always quite impressed<B >>with their X-Windows Server for Windows and their Telnet client,
 >>Reflection.A >3	 >>>Rolandt >>>: >O >>-Jordan Henderson3 >>jordan@greenapple.comO >-- < >-----------------------------------------------------------E >yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"g7 >                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52/9 >                            For a Microsoft free univers < >----------------------------------------------------------- >F >=8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.i8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemsr Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAo  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235> Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com B        jhjennis@shentel.netl& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:22:25 +0200N% From: David Romero <romerod@gedas.es>g# Subject: Re: printer queue problemsD( Message-ID: <39ABAB01.85710DEE@gedas.es>   Phil Howell wrote:  M > > > check the logical names for tcpip* especially tcpip$lpd* and check thatl > they > > > are valid N > > > type out tcpip$lpd_printcap and check that any logical names in lf: (logC > > > file) and sd: (spool directory) also translate to valid namesAC > > > You have got a spool directory for these printers havn't you?-
 > > > Phil > > > <snip> > >8M > > I Checked the logical names and directory and files are valid, any idea ?  > >a > > Thanks,d > >s
 > > David. > >) > >jI > > "TCPIP$LPD_LOGFILE" = "SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$LPD]TCPIP$LPD_LOGFILE.LOG"$I > >   "TCPIP$LPD_PRINTCAP" = "SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$LPD]TCPIP$PRINTCAP.DAT">4 > >   "TCPIP$LPD_SPOOL" = "SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$LPD]" > >e > >a' > is  TCPIP$LPD_SMB.EXE in SYS$SYSTEM ?e > .l2 > Check that the following logical names are validK > TCPIP$LPD_PRINTCAP  Database that maps queues and makes queues available.o+ > TCPIP$LPD_SPOOL  Main spooling directory.dH > TCPIP$LPD_RETRY_INTERVAL  For outbound print jobs, time period between > retries to print. J > TCPIP$LPD_MAXIMUM_INTERVAL  For outbound print jobs, maximum time period7 > that LPD retries to print if repeatedly unsuccessful. H > TCPIP$LPD_LOGFILE  Name of the log file for the TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE, which > precedes all inbound jobs.4 > TCPIP$LPD_PS_EXT  Database that maps PS extensionsJ > Used to configure systemwide PostScript options. Values for this logical > name are as follows:6 > non_PS. The system does not implement PS extensions.* > LPS. The system implements PS extensions >f4 > otherwise you will have to post your printcap file > Phil   The logical names:L TCPIP$LPD_PRINTCAP, TCPIP$LPD_SPOOL and TCPIP$LPD_LOGFILE  already exist and the names are valid.   I created the logical names:J TCPIP$LPD_RETRY_INTERVAL, TCPIP$LPD_MAXIMUM_INTERVAL and TCPIP$LPD_PS_EXT.    D TCPIP$LPD_SMB.EXE is in SYS$SYSTEM (I execute it and the message is: INVALID LOGICAL NAME)o   The printcap file is:    #( # LOCAL PRINTERS #) TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE:\e         :lp=TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE:\e         :sd=TCPIP$LPD_SPOOL: #  CLJ45_CT_B1|clj45_ct_b1:\ 5         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/CLJ45_CT_B1.LOG:\o         :lp=CLJ45_CT_B1:\A         :rm=xx.xxx.xxx.xx:\n         :rp=CLJ45_CT_B1:\L0         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/CLJ45_CT_B1: #h! CLJ45_CT_B1_TXT|clj45_ct_b1_txt:\o9         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/CLJ45_CT_B1_TXT.LOG:\e         :lp=CLJ45_CT_B1_TXT:\-         :rm=xx.xxx.xxx.xx:\-         :rp=text:\4         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/CLJ45_CT_B1_TXT: #8  . Where xx.xxx.xxx.xx is the printer IP-address.     David.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:57:22 GMT84 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)# Subject: Re: printer queue problems-' Message-ID: <6jPq5.486$%6.11689@insync>,  & David Romero (romerod@gedas.es) wrote: :  : The printcap file is:g :  : #u : # LOCAL PRINTERS : #o : TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE:\e :         :lp=TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE:\s :         :sd=TCPIP$LPD_SPOOL: : #  : CLJ45_CT_B1|clj45_ct_b1:\M7 :         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/CLJ45_CT_B1.LOG:\n :         :lp=CLJ45_CT_B1:\p :         :rm=xx.xxx.xxx.xx:\a :         :rp=CLJ45_CT_B1:\h2 :         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/CLJ45_CT_B1: : #	# : CLJ45_CT_B1_TXT|clj45_ct_b1_txt:\ ; :         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/CLJ45_CT_B1_TXT.LOG:\S :         :lp=CLJ45_CT_B1_TXT:\0 :         :rm=xx.xxx.xxx.xx:\% :         :rp=text:\6 :         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/CLJ45_CT_B1_TXT: : #  : 0 : Where xx.xxx.xxx.xx is the printer IP-address. :  :   C I don't think you can use the IP address of the printer, it must be%E specified as a node name. From this page (URL folded into two lines):_  3   http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/72final/6526/s#   6526profile_028.html#lprsetup_sece%   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS-  %  "rm for the name of the remote host"F  = If specifying the node name works, please post a followup, so ? someone can get the documentation corrected to explicitly state2+ that specifying an IP address doesn't work.=    / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.netg;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalido2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:25:32 GMT%& From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?0 Message-ID: <39ab70a9.86436118@news.newsguy.com>  8 On Mon, 28 Aug 00 11:15:49 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:    = >And how did that personal enthusiam get started?  By getting = >an exposure to computing at an early age.  The -10s and -20se9 >got a lot of kids started when they were at college age.u  C One of the few things I have in common with Bill Gates. Of course I0@ didn't reverse engineer DEC Basic then make a fortune out of it.    C >>The 10/20 Jupiter fiasco was just the first (major) such blunder,n >e@ >No.  The first blunder was cancelling the MG20. (I think that's >the hardware name.)  D The major blunder in my opinion was lying to customers. We had heardE the rumours about cancellation and called in DEC who absolutely pointnF blank assured as that Jupiter would not be cancelled., Absolutely 100% categorically assured us.t  ' Then they cancelled it two weeks later.p   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  ! Date: Tue, 29 Aug 00 08:17:40 GMTt From: jmfbahciv@aol.como" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8og6bh$d8i$2@bob.news.rcn.net>   7 In article <ALDERSON.00Aug28112514@netcom2.netcom.com>,o?    alderson@netcom2.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) wrote:.D >In article <8odsdb$em$1@bob.news.rcn.net> jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >-+ >> In article <8o9oc0$ql2$1@pyrite.mv.net>,6. >>    "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote: > E >>> The 10/20 Jupiter fiasco was just the first (major) such blunder,  >e< >> No.  The first blunder was cancelling the MG20. (I think  >>that's the hardware7	 >> name.)t >nA >MG20 was a memory module on the KL, introduced in the mid-80s.    >Allowed a fullnB >4MW to be installed (MF20 maxed out at 3MW, in more cabinetry).  1 >So I don't think it's what you were thinking of.y  ? It was the memory module (that never happened) that would allown> [shit!  the words just flipped out of my brain! I want to say]? 4-way interleaving so that each box of memory could have a wire-9 to each CPU.  People who ran very nice SMP systems had to $ buy Ampex memory instead of ours....   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:42:45 GMTi* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>9 Subject: Questions about AUTOGEN, PQL_*WS*, PHYSICALPAGESo) Message-ID: <8ogi50$b0f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i   Hello,   We are running VMS V6.1.  C I have an account on a MicroVAX 3100-90 system that was cloned from-B another such system. I found that the values of PQL_MWSDEFAULT andC PQL_MWSQUOTA are greater than those for the corresponding values ofuF PQL_DWSDEFAULT and PQL_DWSQUOTA. So, I ran AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS TESTFILES and got the following results:  3 ID_FE$ SEAR SYS$SYSTEM:SETPARAMS.DAT PQL,WS/MAT=AND   parameter set PQL_DWSDEFAULT 286  parameter set PQL_MWSDEFAULT 512 parameter set PQL_DWSQUOTA 572 parameter set PQL_MWSQUOTA 1024p! parameter set PQL_DWSEXTENT 20500V! parameter set PQL_MWSEXTENT 20500f  C Why are some of the minima greater than the defaults? (There are no D references to any PQL parameters in MODPARAMS.DAT.) Is this expected behavior in some circumstances?n  G Also, as seen below, SH MEM says we have 40 MB of memory = 81920 pages.u= However, AUTOGEN came up with a value of 131072 pages. But myX- supervisor tells me that there is only 40 MB.   C ID_FE$ SEAR SYS$SYSTEM:SETPARAMS.DAT PHYS  ! From my run of AUTOGEN(" parameter set PHYSICALPAGES 131072 ID_FE$ SH MEM/PHY @               System Memory Resources on 29-AUG-2000 13:12:06.16  @ Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use Modified@   Main Memory (40.00Mb)            81920       30115       48649 3156  F Of the physical pages in use, 14785 pages are permanently allocated to VMS. ID_FE$  C Do I really have 64 MB? Based on the value of SCSNODE in the newest6F version of SETPARAMS.DAT that pre-dates my arrival, it appears AUTOGENF was used to set system parameters on the original node but was not runE on the node I am working with (the clone) to set parameters. So maybeeB the original node has 40 MB but mine has 64 MB? In other words, isB there any reason to doubt the accuracy of F$GETSYI("MEMSIZE")? (By; looking at AUTOGEN.COM, it appears to me that it determineslE PHYSICALPAGES by looking at F$GETSYI("MEMSIZE").) NOTE: I do not have " access to the "source" node. Also,  + ID_FE$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("MEMSIZE")t 131072 ID_FE$   TIA.   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman. alan48  &-)a dellnet.come    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Aug 2000 22:49:10 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)oD Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?, Message-ID: <YV7n+fVMD6hB@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  . In article <39AABEDF.DA81F15D@tsoft-inc.com>, /    David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:= > P > I think Steve Hoffman's question deals with how soon the CSLG replacement willP > be finalized.  My understanding is there is the possibility that it will coverL > all your needs, and at a much better price, one you won't be able to argueH > with.  Since it's not finalized, no one can be real specific just yet. > L     I for one certainly wish they would get on with finalizing it. I've beenI hearing comments here about a "CSLG replacement" for some months now, but:D have no idea what this will involve. As we're quite dependant on theB CSLG I'm rather nervous about what they will do to us with the newG program ( and wondering whether I'll be the one fired when the bad newsh is finally delivered ).   D     Yes, I realize it's not guaranteed to be bad news, but given theC "shut up and go away" response I've received from Compaq about the aD cancellation of other education programs ( at least here in Canada ): I don't see any particular reason to be optimistic either.  M ============================================================================= M Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.ca0H Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:04:33 -040002 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)D Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2908000204330001@user-2ive677.dialup.mindspring.com>  P In article <39AA98E2.6D4A9D1F@hsc.vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote:    I > > :Our university is letting the Campuswide Site Licenses go next year.o    ) Just to be sure I'm on the right track...o  M Is your University giving up their site license, or is the whole CSLG programt going away?   H If the former, you could look into buying the smallest possible CSLG forE youself and anyone else on campus who's interested.  That's probably wD cheaper than paying commercial prices, even for one or two machines.D You can do an end run around whatever moronic bureaucrats are behindI the cancellation.  Compaq doesn't insist on dealing with the "annointed"   person on campus.@  } There's rumor about an upcoming price change for VMS on campus (free or extremely cheap), but I don't know anything specific.   B Note that if you find your original PAKS (or get them regenerated)H you'll probably lose most of your layered products.  (Nobody ever boughtD all the products that are included in the CSLG.)  Also, you probablyD haven't been paying for software upgrades on those original licensesF (since the CSLG includes right to use new versions), so you'll only beI able to run versions that were current when the licenses were bought.  I nB think the one-time upgrade fees would be many years worth of CSLG.   -- r Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:57:39 -0500 (EST)>1 From: "Robert J. Slover" <slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu> D Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?W Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000829074627.29554A-100000@rocinante.admin.rose-hulman.edu>e  @ Count yourself lucky that you even have a chance, however small.? I've been told I've got to find a way to be rid of both our VMS 9 clusters (VAX and Alpha) by the end of December.  New VP.   @ I come to work now sick to my stomach.  My cluster uptime is 232A days...since we took things down in January when they put a new 3-@ phase power feed into the building.  Don't know how long we were1 up prior to that.  Nothing else here comes close.o   --Robert  % On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Jim Agnew wrote:t   > Dear all,e > ) > My question was *quite* badly worded...- >  > What I'm trying to do is survive the end of the CSLG, and one of my ideas is to somehow obtain the ORIGINAL licenses that came withi > the VMS system(s)... > Is that even possible? >  > Jim Agnewt >  > Jim Agnew wrote: > > H > > Our university is letting the Campuswide Site Licenses go next year.N > > I need to come up with licenses or a replacement licenses for our VAXen... > >  > > Where do I call?  My biggest problem is that I can't navigate the automated phone systems as i'm hard of hearing, and i want option-# > > X, get a real person... sigh...@ > > 
 > > Jim Agnew> >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:02:23 GMTa4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)D Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?' Message-ID: <PnPq5.487$%6.11689@insync>I  0 Robert J. Slover (slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu) wrote: : B : Count yourself lucky that you even have a chance, however small.A : I've been told I've got to find a way to be rid of both our VMSa; : clusters (VAX and Alpha) by the end of December.  New VP.. : B : I come to work now sick to my stomach.  My cluster uptime is 232C : days...since we took things down in January when they put a new 3iB : phase power feed into the building.  Don't know how long we were3 : up prior to that.  Nothing else here comes close.  :   G Time to update your resume and get the hell away from "Ground Zero" of eI whatever system has been selected to replace the VMSClusters, before the &F project gets to the "reward of the guilty, punishment of the innocent" phase.    / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net0;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:12:06 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>FD Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?+ Message-ID: <39ABE0D6.EC029D93@hsc.vcu.edu>a  ( University giving up their site license.   j.   Robert Deininger wrote:  > R > In article <39AA98E2.6D4A9D1F@hsc.vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote: > K > > > :Our university is letting the Campuswide Site Licenses go next year.l > + > Just to be sure I'm on the right track...e > O > Is your University giving up their site license, or is the whole CSLG programy
 > going away?e > J > If the former, you could look into buying the smallest possible CSLG forF > youself and anyone else on campus who's interested.  That's probablyF > cheaper than paying commercial prices, even for one or two machines.F > You can do an end run around whatever moronic bureaucrats are behindJ > the cancellation.  Compaq doesn't insist on dealing with the "annointed" > person on campus.e >  > There's rumor about an upcoming price change for VMS on campus (free or extremely cheap), but I don't know anything specific.  > D > Note that if you find your original PAKS (or get them regenerated)J > you'll probably lose most of your layered products.  (Nobody ever boughtF > all the products that are included in the CSLG.)  Also, you probablyF > haven't been paying for software upgrades on those original licensesH > (since the CSLG includes right to use new versions), so you'll only beJ > able to run versions that were current when the licenses were bought.  ID > think the one-time upgrade fees would be many years worth of CSLG. >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comy   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:38:11 -0400g2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: scsi tape drive7 Message-ID: <200008290738_MC2-B162-5CE8@compuserve.com>e  G         I think that you are out of luck here!  Only a TK70 can write aoJ TK70 and, to the best of my knowledge, there never was a TK70 with a SCSI=  
 interface.  J         The TKZ50 and TKZ30 (half hight) can write tapes that the TK70 ca= nLJ read.  The TK70, however, cannot write tapes that anything but a TK70 can=   read.T  J         The cheapest SCSI tape solution is a DAT drive TLZ04, TLZ06, TLZx= x.-  A TLZxx-DA or -TA would be a tabletop model.t  D Message text written by INTERNET:yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netG >Need a model number for a tape drive which uses a STANDARD 50 pin SCSIoJ connection and is capable of reading/writing BOTH TK50 and TK70.  Interna= liH model is prefferable.  If external is all that is known need 68 pin WideF Scsi model.  I recently bought an Alpha on E-bay and want a tape drive@ that can transfer tapes to my MV3500 wich has a TK70 tape drive. <h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:12:40 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aud' Subject: Re: Security/Auditing questionn5 Message-ID: <01JTJZGSPDTU003K9F@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>o   Jordan Henderson > Guide to System Security!?!   C > He clearly needs the source to OpenVMS (on CD, latest version) tovC > really understand what needs to be done here.  No mere book could_* > possibly be as definitive as the SOURCE!  7 Yep, too much Star Wars ... may the SOURCE be with you.h  O The Christian religion has obviously failed because the Christian bible is not DN (?possibly) on CD.  What about those other religious bibles .. the Koran, K&R H and the Karma Sutra?  Are they all on CD yet?  The latter might also be 	 Perfumed.I   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:38:57 GMTB! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>S' Subject: Re: Security/Auditing question ' Message-ID: <39ABBD4B.2A588F57@vrx.net>x   Jordan Henderson wrote:4   > Guide to System Security!?!I >/C > He clearly needs the source to OpenVMS (on CD, latest version) to C > really understand what needs to be done here.  No mere book could4* > possibly be as definitive as the SOURCE!  D Exactly! but seriously you twit, the guide to security is very good.+ I have it and have been meaning to read it.I  @ If I can ever get the time (a true sys-admins words to live by!)   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:19:20 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> ' Subject: Re: Security/Auditing question + Message-ID: <39ABE288.52115619@hsc.vcu.edu>   = who needs cds? where we're going, we don't need no cds!!! ;-)C  ? (mix of starwars, back to the future, and christianity... ;-D )C  1 hee hee, i have it online, and on cd.. niv, jkv..    jim   & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: >  > Jordan Henderson > > Guide to System Security!?!x > E > > He clearly needs the source to OpenVMS (on CD, latest version) toPE > > really understand what needs to be done here.  No mere book couldl, > > possibly be as definitive as the SOURCE! > 9 > Yep, too much Star Wars ... may the SOURCE be with you.x > P > The Christian religion has obviously failed because the Christian bible is notO > (?possibly) on CD.  What about those other religious bibles .. the Koran, K&R I > and the Karma Sutra?  Are they all on CD yet?  The latter might also be  > Perfumed.i >  > Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:50:15 -07005* From: Tad Winters <Tad_Winters@corvel.com>' Subject: Re: Security/Auditing questiont2 Message-ID: <8825694A.005C53B3.00@mail.corvel.com>  E Well of course the Bible is on CD, and in quite a number of versions.t       To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( Subject:  Re: Security/Auditing question       Jordan Henderson > Guide to System Security!?!g  C > He clearly needs the source to OpenVMS (on CD, latest version) to C > really understand what needs to be done here.  No mere book could-* > possibly be as definitive as the SOURCE!  7 Yep, too much Star Wars ... may the SOURCE be with you.   N The Christian religion has obviously failed because the Christian bible is notM (?possibly) on CD.  What about those other religious bibles .. the Koran, K&ReG and the Karma Sutra?  Are they all on CD yet?  The latter might also be 	 Perfumed.1   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:58:04 -0500i% From: "David Ash" <jimjj@hotmail.com>f Subject: Re: show mem displayn. Message-ID: <sqmk68tnt9148@news.supernews.com>   Thanks for the info guys!!!s    4 "Mackay, Ian" <IMackay@nine.com.au> wrote in message< news:7517D41517E6D11189EB00A0C96B422A01D52CF5@TCNHOFEXC01...> > Alpha memory is in 8kb pages rather than 512b pages on VaxenF > so if you divide the memory total by 128 it gives you the megabytes. >sI > ie there are 128 8192 byte pages in a megabyte rather than the 2048 512l byte >% > pages on vaxen.u >  >t > Ian Mackay > System and Network Manager > Nine Network Australia > Phone 61 2 9965 2778 > Fax 61 2 9965 2982 > Email imackay@pbl.com.au >h >@ > > -----Original Message-----6 > > From: Michael Williams [mailto:mw7301@HOTMAIL.COM]+ > > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:44 PMo > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come > > Subject: show mem displayd > >  > >wA > > I have a Alpha 600au running VMS 7.2 and when I issue the SHOm > > MEM commandIA > > the Main memory heading says 128MB as it should BUT under thed > > TOTAL heading:@ > > it says there are 16384 pages. 16384 pages doesn't translate > > to 128MB, canN# > > anyone tell me what this means?t > >2 > >  > >  >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:09:09 +0200i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>a Subject: Re: show mem display ) Message-ID: <39AB6195.DB97BFB5@gtech.com>w   Michael Williams wrote: K > I have a Alpha 600au running VMS 7.2 and when I issue the SHO MEM commandhM > the Main memory heading says 128MB as it should BUT under the TOTAL headingtL > it says there are 16384 pages. 16384 pages doesn't translate to 128MB, can! > anyone tell me what this means?o  	 It does !   " 16384 pages of 8192 bytes = 128 MB             Alpha    VAX pagelet    512     512 page      8192*    512  < *) future Alpha implementation may use 16K, 32K or 64K pages   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:11:18 GMTg= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-). Subject: Re: show mem displayo0 Message-ID: <009EF510.CA7AD9B1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <8of80n$4ad$1@news.chatlink.com>, "Michael Williams" <mw7301@hotmail.com> writes:J >I have a Alpha 600au running VMS 7.2 and when I issue the SHO MEM commandL >the Main memory heading says 128MB as it should BUT under the TOTAL headingK >it says there are 16384 pages. 16384 pages doesn't translate to 128MB, cana  >anyone tell me what this means? >e >e  K It means you have rather limited math skills.  Presently, all Alphas use anNJ 8KB (8192 byte) page size.  Multiply 8192 by the total number of pages youB have reported -- 16384 -- and the result is 134,217,728  or 128MB.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 00 04:49:53 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.coma* Subject: RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE( Message-ID: <CDK+t1qeDBez@cpva.saic.com>  K In article <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE994@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>,H4  "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:N > It runs as part of the system startup to load the licenses.  You do not haveM > the required units for this type of machine investigate SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE K > and a SHOW LICENSE/FULL OPENVMS-ALPHA, if you have a setting of MOD_UNITS8C > then you can correct this with LICESE MOD/UNITS=nnn OPENVMS-ALPHAe
 > - Darren >  Sounds reasonable butn   $ sho lic/ch* VMS/LMF Charge Information for node XXXXXX? This is a Digital AlphaStation 600 5/, hardware model type 1161eO Type: A, Units Required: 12     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)p [...]r $ sh lic/us   O View of loaded licenses from node XXXXXX                29-AUG-2000 04:42:51.04n  > ------- Product ID --------   ---- Unit usage information ----> Product            Producer       Loaded  Allocated  Available [...]g> OPENVMS-ALPHA      DEC                12         12          0 [...]n $ sh lic/ful OPENVMS-ALPHA   Active licenses on node XXXXXX:0  
 OPENVMS-ALPHA.         Producer: DECO         Units: 12          Version: 0.0         Release Date: (none)          Termination Date: (none)         Availability: 0-C         Activity: A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)s         NO_SHARE $ run sys$startup:license_checklG %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized on this node@B -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits1 -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager   Startup processing continuing...  H Seems that the requirement is 12 units for this system; it has 12 units;5 and the executable gives the exceeded limits message.r  
 >> ----------s? >> From: 	mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com[SMTP:mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com]i) >> Sent: 	Monday, August 28, 2000 4:09 PMe >> To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * >> Subject: 	SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE >>  K >> Would anyone enlighten me on the usage of SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE?rG >> Execution of it results in the definition of a process logical namedtG >> DECW$LICENSE_CHECK with a value of FALSE and the following output to  >> SYS$OUTPUT and OPCOM... >> r& >> $ run sys$startup:LICENSE_CHECK.EXEJ >> %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized on this nodeE >> -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits 4 >> -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager# >> Startup processing continuing...i >> aI >> despite adequate licensing. This occurs on the several (Alpha) systems=F >> (with VMS 7.1) that I've tried. It appears to be setting a flag forJ >> DECwindows; could anyone exlpain the usage? and if a FALSE value for an/ >> adequately licensed system is expected? TIA.  >>   >> --( >> - Jim >>   >  > H > **********************************************************************E > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andeL > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.O > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they.N > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, D > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.K > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyings  > of this message is prohibited. >  > Bank of BermudayH > ********************************************************************** >  -- n - Jim  --A mailto:James.F.McKinney@cpmx.SAIC.com | SAIC PSC | (858) 826-2075i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:09:46 -0400o# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>c* Subject: RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXED Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD7CA@berry.mvpsi.com>  J The OPENVMS-ALPHA license has the NO_SHARE attribute.  This means that youE must specify which node the license is to be loaded on.  Do a LICENSErG LIST/FULL to see what node (if any) is currently set then, do a LICENSEsK MODIFY/INCLUDE=.... to set the name of the node the license is to be loadedo on.    > -----Original Message-----@ > From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com [mailto:mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com]( > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 8:50 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como, > Subject: RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE >  > 
 > In article nB > <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE994@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>,6 >  "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:@ > > It runs as part of the system startup to load the licenses.  >  You do not have< > > the required units for this type of machine investigate  > SHOW LICENSE/CHARGEu9 > > and a SHOW LICENSE/FULL OPENVMS-ALPHA, if you have a 2 > setting of MOD_UNITSE > > then you can correct this with LICESE MOD/UNITS=nnn OPENVMS-ALPHAn > > - Darren > >  > Sounds reasonable buto >  > $ sho lic/ch, > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node XXXXXXA > This is a Digital AlphaStation 600 5/, hardware model type 1161t? > Type: A, Units Required: 12     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS n > Unlimited or Base) > [...] 
 > $ sh lic/us  > : > View of loaded licenses from node XXXXXX                 > 29-AUG-2000 04:42:51.04c > @ > ------- Product ID --------   ---- Unit usage information ----@ > Product            Producer       Loaded  Allocated  Available > [...]m@ > OPENVMS-ALPHA      DEC                12         12          0 > [...]e > $ sh lic/ful OPENVMS-ALPHA > ! > Active licenses on node XXXXXX:. >  > OPENVMS-ALPHAs >         Producer: DEC  >         Units: 12: >         Version: 0.0 >         Release Date: (none)" >         Termination Date: (none) >         Availability: 0rE >         Activity: A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)y >         NO_SHARE! > $ run sys$startup:license_check @ > %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized on  > this nodesD > -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits3 > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system managerE" > Startup processing continuing... > = > Seems that the requirement is 12 units for this system; it n > has 12 units;g7 > and the executable gives the exceeded limits message.l >  > >> ---------- A > >> From: 	mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com[SMTP:mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com]e+ > >> Sent: 	Monday, August 28, 2000 4:09 PM  > >> To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com , > >> Subject: 	SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE > >> e/ > >> Would anyone enlighten me on the usage of c  > SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE?< > >> Execution of it results in the definition of a process  > logical named @ > >> DECW$LICENSE_CHECK with a value of FALSE and the following  > output toi > >> SYS$OUTPUT and OPCOM... > >> e( > >> $ run sys$startup:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE@ > >> %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized  > on this nodeG > >> -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limitsn6 > >> -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager% > >> Startup processing continuing...  > >> i< > >> despite adequate licensing. This occurs on the several  > (Alpha) systemsyH > >> (with VMS 7.1) that I've tried. It appears to be setting a flag for@ > >> DECwindows; could anyone exlpain the usage? and if a FALSE  > value for an1 > >> adequately licensed system is expected? TIA.3 > >> . > >> --h
 > >> - Jim > >> v > >  > >  > > H > **********************************************************************G > > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and : > > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of  > privacy legislation.> > > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or  > entity to whom they < > > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the  > intended recipient, F > > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.6 > > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of,  > distribution or copyingp" > > of this message is prohibited. > >  > > Bank of Bermudar > > H > ********************************************************************** > >  > -- e > - Jimh > --C > mailto:James.F.McKinney@cpmx.SAIC.com | SAIC PSC | (858) 826-2075n >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:00:14 -0500y) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>n* Subject: Re: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE. Message-ID: <sqngb8nqc5d61@corp.supernews.com>  E If you have the SYSGEN parameter VAXCLUSTER set to non-zero, your VMShL license key installed must reference the SCSNODE name in it's include field.  ' Lice mod OPENVMS-ALPHA/INCLUDE=nodenamen   -Johng wb8tyw@qsl.network  * <mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com> wrote in message" news:CDK+t1qeDBez@cpva.saic.com...  <snip>g   > $ sho lic/ch, > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node XXXXXXA > This is a Digital AlphaStation 600 5/, hardware model type 1161.K > Type: A, Units Required: 12     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or0 Base)m > [...]d
 > $ sh lic/usR >NE > View of loaded licenses from node XXXXXX                29-AUG-20003 04:42:51.04E >o@ > ------- Product ID --------   ---- Unit usage information ----@ > Product            Producer       Loaded  Allocated  Available > [...]r@ > OPENVMS-ALPHA      DEC                12         12          0 > [...]  > $ sh lic/ful OPENVMS-ALPHA >K! > Active licenses on node XXXXXX:r >a > OPENVMS-ALPHAt >         Producer: DECa >         Units: 12  >         Version: 0.0 >         Release Date: (none)" >         Termination Date: (none) >         Availability: 0tE >         Activity: A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)t >         NO_SHARE! > $ run sys$startup:license_checkAI > %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized on this nodeaD > -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits3 > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system managero" > Startup processing continuing... >dJ > Seems that the requirement is 12 units for this system; it has 12 units;7 > and the executable gives the exceeded limits message.0   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2000 14:17:28 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE6 Message-ID: <8ogglo$nei$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  H In article <djTvrsvwSSQ0@cpva.saic.com>, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:I :Would anyone enlighten me on the usage of SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE?n  1   That image is not typically used interactively.a  E :Execution of it results in the definition of a process logical named E :DECW$LICENSE_CHECK with a value of FALSE and the following output too :SYS$OUTPUT and OPCOM... :t$ :$ run sys$startup:LICENSE_CHECK.EXEH :%LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized on this nodeC :-LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits:2 :-LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager! :Startup processing continuing...  :e :despite adequate licensing. x  F   Please define "adequate licensing" in the context of your particularH   system.  This definition should obviously include the full text of the*   PAKs (less the checksum, of course) for:       OpenVMS-Alpha      OpenVMS-Alpha-User     Net-App-Sup*     DW-Motif  F   As well as the specific model of Alpha system.  The output from the &   following DCL command would suffice:       SHOW LICENSE/CHARGEe  F   I've seen one problem reported in this area, but it post-dated V7.1.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:23:25 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>i* Subject: RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXEK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE9A4@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>   ! > Active licenses on node XXXXXX:e >  > OPENVMS-ALPHA  >         Producer: DECu >         Units: 12, >         Version: 0.0 >         Release Date: (none)" >         Termination Date: (none) >         Availability: 0tE >         Activity: A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)  >         NO_SHARE! > $ run sys$startup:license_checkfI > %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized on this nodetD > -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits3 > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager " > Startup processing continuing... > J > Seems that the requirement is 12 units for this system; it has 12 units;7 > and the executable gives the exceeded limits message.r > 9 You need to /INCLUDE the node name with a no_share optionc   - Darren    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andsJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyhL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingi of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudahF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 00 08:39:41 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com-* Subject: RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE( Message-ID: <PewwTZbWHuMM@cpva.saic.com>  D In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD7CA@berry.mvpsi.com>,&  John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes:L > The OPENVMS-ALPHA license has the NO_SHARE attribute.  This means that youG > must specify which node the license is to be loaded on.  Do a LICENSEgI > LIST/FULL to see what node (if any) is currently set then, do a LICENSE1M > MODIFY/INCLUDE=.... to set the name of the node the license is to be loadeda > on.t >   E It's my recollection that the VMSLICENSE utility enforces assigning a > license with the NO_SHARE attribute to a specifice node duringG registration in a cluster environment. Anyway, this license does belong E to (was loaded on) the node that the command was issued on as seen on@ the Include: line below.   $ lic lis/ful OPENVMS-ALPHAo [...]o+  Product Name:                OPENVMS-ALPHAe [...]aO  Activity:                    A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)m&  Options:                     NO_SHARE [...] $  Status:                      Active [...]O$  Include:                     XXXXXX    >> -----Original Message-----sA >> From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com [mailto:mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com]2) >> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 8:50 AM- >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >> Subject: RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXEa >> j >> r >> In article C >> <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE994@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>,57 >>  "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:aA >> > It runs as part of the system startup to load the licenses.   >>  You do not havea= >> > the required units for this type of machine investigate h >> SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE: >> > and a SHOW LICENSE/FULL OPENVMS-ALPHA, if you have a  >> setting of MOD_UNITSeF >> > then you can correct this with LICESE MOD/UNITS=nnn OPENVMS-ALPHA
 >> > - Darren  >> > a >> Sounds reasonable but >> r >> $ sho lic/cha- >> VMS/LMF Charge Information for node XXXXXX-B >> This is a Digital AlphaStation 600 5/, hardware model type 1161@ >> Type: A, Units Required: 12     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS  >> Unlimited or Base)i >> [...] >> $ sh lic/us >> A; >> View of loaded licenses from node XXXXXX                t >> 29-AUG-2000 04:42:51.04 >> 7A >> ------- Product ID --------   ---- Unit usage information ---- A >> Product            Producer       Loaded  Allocated  AvailableM >> [...]A >> OPENVMS-ALPHA      DEC                12         12          06 >> [...] >> $ sh lic/ful OPENVMS-ALPHAa >> y" >> Active licenses on node XXXXXX: >> t >> OPENVMS-ALPHA >>         Producer: DEC >>         Units: 12 >>         Version: 0.0  >>         Release Date: (none)t# >>         Termination Date: (none)e >>         Availability: 0F >>         Activity: A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base) >>         NO_SHAREX" >> $ run sys$startup:license_checkA >> %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized on y >> this nodeE >> -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limitse4 >> -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager# >> Startup processing continuing...o >>  > >> Seems that the requirement is 12 units for this system; it  >> has 12 units;8 >> and the executable gives the exceeded limits message. >> r >> >> ----------B >> >> From: 	mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com[SMTP:mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com], >> >> Sent: 	Monday, August 28, 2000 4:09 PM  >> >> To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >> >> Subject: 	SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXEe >> >> 0 >> >> Would anyone enlighten me on the usage of ! >> SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE? = >> >> Execution of it results in the definition of a process y >> logical namedA >> >> DECW$LICENSE_CHECK with a value of FALSE and the following a >> output to >> >> SYS$OUTPUT and OPCOM...l >> >> ) >> >> $ run sys$startup:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE A >> >> %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized m >> on this nodecH >> >> -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits7 >> >> -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager.& >> >> Startup processing continuing... >> >> = >> >> despite adequate licensing. This occurs on the several   >> (Alpha) systemsI >> >> (with VMS 7.1) that I've tried. It appears to be setting a flag foreA >> >> DECwindows; could anyone exlpain the usage? and if a FALSE p >> value for anU2 >> >> adequately licensed system is expected? TIA. >> >>  >> >> -- >> >> - JimN >> >>  >> > V >> > A >> >  I >> **********************************************************************aH >> > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and; >> > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of t >> privacy legislation.t? >> > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or s >> entity to whom they= >> > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the c >> intended recipient,  G >> > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.S7 >> > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, e >> distribution or copying# >> > of this message is prohibited.n >> > r >> > Bank of Bermuda >> >  I >> **********************************************************************  >> > n >> --  >> - Jim >> --UD >> mailto:James.F.McKinney@cpmx.SAIC.com | SAIC PSC | (858) 826-2075 >> - >  -- E - JimM --A mailto:James.F.McKinney@cpmx.SAIC.com | SAIC PSC | (858) 826-2075e   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 00 09:00:39 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com * Subject: Re: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE( Message-ID: <PZNuNB7g11Sw@cpva.saic.com>  6 In article <8ogglo$nei$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,5  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:i > J > In article <djTvrsvwSSQ0@cpva.saic.com>, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:K > :Would anyone enlighten me on the usage of SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE?  > 3 >   That image is not typically used interactively.* >   K Understood; it was at the recommendation of a DSN article on troublshootingeK DECwindows startup that led me to execute this program. DECwindows problems.I are intermittent failures to start the DECW$CONSOLE and do not now appearmI to be related to license (or login scripting) issues. I asked about this rH executable more out of curiousity... since it didn't seem to behave as I	 expected.o  G > :Execution of it results in the definition of a process logical named G > :DECW$LICENSE_CHECK with a value of FALSE and the following output to* > :SYS$OUTPUT and OPCOM... > :*& > :$ run sys$startup:LICENSE_CHECK.EXEJ > :%LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized on this nodeE > :-LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits 4 > :-LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager# > :Startup processing continuing...D > :5 > :despite adequate licensing. C > H >   Please define "adequate licensing" in the context of your particularJ >   system.  This definition should obviously include the full text of the, >   PAKs (less the checksum, of course) for: >  >     OpenVMS-Alphae >     OpenVMS-Alpha-User >     Net-App-Sup* >     DW-Motif >   ( No OpenVMS-Alpha-User or Motif licenses:    . $ lic lis/ful OpenVMS-Alpha,OpenVMS-Alpha-User! License Management Facility  V1.2]  A License Database File:       SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE.LDB;3o( Created on:                  17-OCT-1996# Created by user:             SYSTEM6! Created by LMF Version:      V1.1@  # -----------------------------------r  Issuer:                      DEC2 Authorization:               ALS-NQ-1996JUN25-4056, Product Name:                NET-APP-SUP-150  Producer:                    DEC! Units:                       1100N  Version:                     0.0# Release Date:                (none) # PAK Termination Date:        (none)c7 Availability:                H (Alpha Layered Products)  Activity:                    0- Options:                     MOD_UNITS, ALPHAr Hardware ID:   Revision Level:              3# Status:                      Activee# Command:                     MODIFYe# Modified by user:            SYSTEMS4 Modified on:                 17-OCT-1996 14:35:32.54# Include:                     XXXXXX   # -----------------------------------4  Issuer:                      DEC2 Authorization:               ALS-NQ-1996JUN25-4058* Product Name:                OPENVMS-ALPHA  Producer:                    DEC Units:                       12   Version:                     0.0# Release Date:                (none) # PAK Termination Date:        (none)  Availability:                0N Activity:                    A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)% Options:                     NO_SHAREn Hardware ID:   Revision Level:              2# Status:                      ActiveU# Command:                     MODIFYE# Modified by user:            SYSTEM 4 Modified on:                 17-OCT-1996 14:35:30.01# Include:                     XXXXXXF  $ -----------------------------------     H >   As well as the specific model of Alpha system.  The output from the ( >   following DCL command would suffice: >  >     SHOW LICENSE/CHARGEs >   
 $ show cpu  % XXXXXX, a Digital AlphaStation 600 5/bH Multiprocessing is DISABLED. Uniprocessing synchronization image loaded. [...]y  
 $ sho lic/chaM* VMS/LMF Charge Information for node XXXXXX? This is a Digital AlphaStation 600 5/, hardware model type 1161 O Type: A, Units Required: 12     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)  [...]h8 Type: H, Units Required: 1050   (Alpha Layered Products)2 Type: I, Units Required: 1050   (Layered Products)    H >   I've seen one problem reported in this area, but it post-dated V7.1. > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    Thanks for any help... -- E - Jimt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:53:10 -0400e# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>p* Subject: RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXED Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD7CC@berry.mvpsi.com>  L I think I finally understand your question.  You aren't having problems withJ your VMS license, you're simply trying to figure out how LICENSE_CHECK.EXE is supposed to work, right?s  F It also seems to do strange things on my V7.2-1 Alpha.  I get the sameK LICENSE-E-NOAUTH even though there is a valid OPENVMS-ALPHA license loaded.*A When I tried it on a V6.2 Alpha I didn't get any messages and thet0 DECW$LICENSE_CHECK logical name was set to TRUE.   It looks like it's broken.   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com [mailto:mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com]) > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:40 PMs > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd, > Subject: RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE >  > F > In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD7CA@berry.mvpsi.com>,( >  John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes:@ > > The OPENVMS-ALPHA license has the NO_SHARE attribute.  This  > means that you@ > > must specify which node the license is to be loaded on.  Do  > a LICENSE ? > > LIST/FULL to see what node (if any) is currently set then, | > do a LICENSE@ > > MODIFY/INCLUDE=.... to set the name of the node the license  > is to be loadedm > > on.. > >b > G > It's my recollection that the VMSLICENSE utility enforces assigning aD@ > license with the NO_SHARE attribute to a specifice node during> > registration in a cluster environment. Anyway, this license 
 > does belongnG > to (was loaded on) the node that the command was issued on as seen onU > the Include: line below. >  > $ lic lis/ful OPENVMS-ALPHAa > [...]r- >  Product Name:                OPENVMS-ALPHA. > [...]p? >  Activity:                    A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS X > Unlimited or Base)( >  Options:                     NO_SHARE > [...]y& >  Status:                      Active > [...]r& >  Include:                     XXXXXX >    > >> -----Original Message-----lC > >> From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com [mailto:mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com]o+ > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 8:50 AMs > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com/ > >> Subject: RE: SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXEl > >>   > >>   > >> In article E > >> <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE994@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>,l9 > >>  "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes: C > >> > It runs as part of the system startup to load the licenses.   > >>  You do not have ? > >> > the required units for this type of machine investigate   > >> SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE< > >> > and a SHOW LICENSE/FULL OPENVMS-ALPHA, if you have a  > >> setting of MOD_UNITSEH > >> > then you can correct this with LICESE MOD/UNITS=nnn OPENVMS-ALPHA > >> > - Darrenh > >> >   > >> Sounds reasonable but > >> a > >> $ sho lic/che/ > >> VMS/LMF Charge Information for node XXXXXXeD > >> This is a Digital AlphaStation 600 5/, hardware model type 1161B > >> Type: A, Units Required: 12     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS  > >> Unlimited or Base)b
 > >> [...] > >> $ sh lic/us > >> 0= > >> View of loaded licenses from node XXXXXX                8 > >> 29-AUG-2000 04:42:51.04 > >> sC > >> ------- Product ID --------   ---- Unit usage information ----gC > >> Product            Producer       Loaded  Allocated  Availables
 > >> [...]C > >> OPENVMS-ALPHA      DEC                12         12          0e
 > >> [...] > >> $ sh lic/ful OPENVMS-ALPHAE > >>  $ > >> Active licenses on node XXXXXX: > >> y > >> OPENVMS-ALPHA > >>         Producer: DEC > >>         Units: 12 > >>         Version: 0.0i! > >>         Release Date: (none)n% > >>         Termination Date: (none)  > >>         Availability: 0H > >>         Activity: A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base) > >>         NO_SHARE-$ > >> $ run sys$startup:license_checkC > >> %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized on r > >> this nodeG > >> -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limitsn6 > >> -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager% > >> Startup processing continuing...i > >> n@ > >> Seems that the requirement is 12 units for this system; it  > >> has 12 units;: > >> and the executable gives the exceeded limits message. > >>   > >> >> ----------D > >> >> From: 	mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com[SMTP:mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com]. > >> >> Sent: 	Monday, August 28, 2000 4:09 PM" > >> >> To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com/ > >> >> Subject: 	SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE- > >> >> 2 > >> >> Would anyone enlighten me on the usage of # > >> SYS$STARTUP:LICENSE_CHECK.EXE?p? > >> >> Execution of it results in the definition of a process - > >> logical namedC > >> >> DECW$LICENSE_CHECK with a value of FALSE and the following b > >> output to > >> >> SYS$OUTPUT and OPCOM...N > >> >> + > >> >> $ run sys$startup:LICENSE_CHECK.EXEFC > >> >> %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA use is not authorized X > >> on this nodeL< > >> >> -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active  > license limits9 > >> >> -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system managern( > >> >> Startup processing continuing... > >> >> ? > >> >> despite adequate licensing. This occurs on the several O > >> (Alpha) systems9 > >> >> (with VMS 7.1) that I've tried. It appears to be A > setting a flag forC > >> >> DECwindows; could anyone exlpain the usage? and if a FALSE   > >> value for anL4 > >> >> adequately licensed system is expected? TIA. > >> >> 
 > >> >> --
 > >> >> - Jim  > >> >>  > >> > i > >> >   > >> > f > >>  H > **********************************************************************: > >> > This message and any files transmitted with it are  > confidential and= > >> > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of * > >> privacy legislation.aA > >> > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or p > >> entity to whom they? > >> > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the y > >> intended recipient, u< > >> > please notify the sender immediately and then delete  > this message. 9 > >> > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, e > >> distribution or copying% > >> > of this message is prohibited.d > >> >   > >> > Bank of Bermuda > >> > t > >> sH > ********************************************************************** > >> > * > >> -- 
 > >> - Jim > >> ---F > >> mailto:James.F.McKinney@cpmx.SAIC.com | SAIC PSC | (858) 826-2075 > >> p > >  > --   > - JimR > --C > mailto:James.F.McKinney@cpmx.SAIC.com | SAIC PSC | (858) 826-2075  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:58:08 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger). Subject: Re: The Solution to ALL your ProblemsL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2908000258080001@user-2ive677.dialup.mindspring.com>  ? In article <8of5rl$pjt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, risaac@usc.edu wrote:d  & > The Answer is Continental Computers: > G > If you are looking for any SCSI, ALPHA Sytems, Memory, Storage Works,o) > Terminals and much much more!!!! Visit:e  0 Well, do you sell canned, pre-cooked lunch meat?  D Please go easy on the spam in this newsgroup.  I doubt you needed toM post this, since you got in your free plug just a few posts previous when youi answered someone's question.  L And I had to reject 2 cookies before I could view your web page.  That's two demerits against you.    Spam and Cookies,  Cookies and Spam.V I do not like them,e	 Sam I Am.t   -- a Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2000 03:37:38 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)e. Subject: Re: The Solution to ALL your Problems) Message-ID: <8ofp82$cd$1@lisa.gemair.com>y  B In article <8of5rl$pjt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <risaac@usc.edu> wrote: >  > [ad snipped] >_9 > Continental Computers:  The Answer to all your Problems1 >2  @ Whew!  I'm so glad you're here!  You see, we've been having this> problem with SPAM in our favorite newgroup/mailing-list and...   >m' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy.   -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:01:48 -0500A) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>T. Subject: Re: The Solution to ALL your Problems. Message-ID: <sqnge5i4c5d41@corp.supernews.com>  @ "Jordan Henderson" <jordan@lisa.gemair.company> wrote in message# news:8ofp82$cd$1@lisa.gemair.com...TD > In article <8of5rl$pjt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <risaac@usc.edu> wrote: > >  > > [ad snipped] > >(; > > Continental Computers:  The Answer to all your Problems] > >$  5 Ah, here is how to get loans of source listings free.X   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:51:15 +0930I% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>n! Subject: Ultra SCSI in VAX 4100A?c* Message-ID: <39AB808B.50B1D472@vsm.com.au>   Hi,>  L I have a VAX 4100A which currently has no internal devices.  I'd like to put a L couple of 9GB SCSI disks in, and someone has suggested Seagate Medalist Pro.  K Looking at the Segate web site I notice that Barracuda drives are available  in: the Narrow (50pin) SCSI interface and are somewhat faster.  G The Medalist Pro are described as SCSI-2 and the Barracuda as UlraSCSI.a  B Can UltraSCSI drives be put into a VAX 4100A -- or won't it's SCSI
 controller cope?c   Thanks,            Jeremy BeggN  ;   +-------------------------------------------------------+-;   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.            |>;   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                |p;   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"      |n;   |-------------------------------------------------------|t;   | P.O.Box 801, Unley,     |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au | ;   | South Australia 5061    |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |y;   |-------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |M;   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156     |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |U;   +-------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:55:35 +0200 % From: "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com>y: Subject: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro)' Message-ID: <8og1dl$2aq$1@as102.tel.hr>    Hi!Y  H I need to write function with variable number of arguments in DEC Basic,
 maybe I couldEG do something with Macro (Alpha/VMS 7.x), but I'm not very familiar with> Macro.  H My colleges on work and we have some ideas with stack, but unfortunately Basic have not stack operations.a  
 Help, please.r   Thanks!i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:44:40 GMTn2 From: Dave S <dave.senestraro@nospam.solveris.com>> Subject: Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro)3 Message-ID: <39ABCD80.2B4D41B7@nospam.solveris.com>a  L I have done this by emulating the io list type of structure. ie pass addressK of repeating structure of arg ended by a zero in the parm type. not sure if*  that is what you are looking for   dave   IdrEASY wrote:   > Hi!i >eJ > I need to write function with variable number of arguments in DEC Basic, > maybe I coulduI > do something with Macro (Alpha/VMS 7.x), but I'm not very familiar withd > Macro. > J > My colleges on work and we have some ideas with stack, but unfortunately > Basic have not > stack operations.e >  > Help, please.i >,	 > Thanks!e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:56:16 -0400a& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>> Subject: Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro)6 Message-ID: <q5Qq5.167$Gb6.18198@wagner.videotron.net>  . What I did before with Basic is the following:  K Have your Basic function or subroutine receive a FIXED number of arguments,cD and within the Basic subroutine/function check which ones are valid.   Ex.:  G Calling program: (leave unused arguments unspecified but do use commas)-$ Call basic_sub("A", "B", "C",,,"F",)  K Subroutine: (receive as many parameters as specified in the CALL, but checkE which ones are valid)N* Sub Basic_sub (string a, b, c, d, e, f, g)* if loc(a) <> '0'L    ! means not specified then Param_A = A else Param_A = ""m end if  
 and so on.   Syltremj  0 "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com> wrote in message! news:8og1dl$2aq$1@as102.tel.hr...e > Hi!  >gJ > I need to write function with variable number of arguments in DEC Basic, > maybe I could*I > do something with Macro (Alpha/VMS 7.x), but I'm not very familiar withs > Macro. >wJ > My colleges on work and we have some ideas with stack, but unfortunately > Basic have not > stack operations.C >O > Help, please.n >a	 > Thanks!b >e >e   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2000 15:10:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro)6 Message-ID: <8ogjpq$nuq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  O In article <8og1dl$2aq$1@as102.tel.hr>, "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com> writes:.> :I need to write function with variable number of arguments...  F   I'd initially suggest passing the address of an array (and maybe theI   number of entries in the array as a second argument), and allowing the YJ   array size to change.  (Or, of course, you could use one of the existingJ   OpenVMS array descriptors.)  Alternatives include passing the address of1   a chain (or queue) of argument structures, etc.m   :...in DEC Basic,oI :maybe I could do something with Macro (Alpha/VMS 7.x), but I'm not very   :familiar with Macro  I   Are you looking to write a routine to *call* a routing with a variable fI   number of arguments, or are you to write a routine to be *called* with -!   a variable number of arguments?a  K   Macro32 can generally deal with a variety of argument lists as can other $I   languages, but the Alpha architecture prefers to use the registers for  E   the first six arguments and then use the stack for the rest of the -I   arguments and also prefers to have known-length argument lists -- this  +   all for the simple reason of performance.e  )   Can't say I've tried this with BASIC...   I   Regardless of any built-in language support, BASIC and other languages  I   can *call* a routine with a variable number of arguments via lib$callg. B   The "caller" is rather easier than the "callee", in other words.  I :My colleges on work and we have some ideas with stack, but unfortunatelyL! :Basic have not stack operations.l  B   The RTL LIB$ invocation context calls might be of interest here.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:30:26 -0400z& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>> Subject: Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro)6 Message-ID: <rBQq5.198$Gb6.19410@wagner.videotron.net>  H Then I would do the same as the LIB$ etc. functions do, use an item listI descriptor, just like you said. It's probably the easiest way of handling  this.    SyltremA  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 0 news:8ogjpq$nuq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > I > In article <8og1dl$2aq$1@as102.tel.hr>, "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com>  writes:E@ > :I need to write function with variable number of arguments... >1H >   I'd initially suggest passing the address of an array (and maybe theJ >   number of entries in the array as a second argument), and allowing theL >   array size to change.  (Or, of course, you could use one of the existingL >   OpenVMS array descriptors.)  Alternatives include passing the address of3 >   a chain (or queue) of argument structures, etc.n >o > :...in DEC Basic,.J > :maybe I could do something with Macro (Alpha/VMS 7.x), but I'm not very > :familiar with Macro >6J >   Are you looking to write a routine to *call* a routing with a variableJ >   number of arguments, or are you to write a routine to be *called* with# >   a variable number of arguments?, >iL >   Macro32 can generally deal with a variety of argument lists as can otherJ >   languages, but the Alpha architecture prefers to use the registers forF >   the first six arguments and then use the stack for the rest of theJ >   arguments and also prefers to have known-length argument lists -- this- >   all for the simple reason of performance.- >-+ >   Can't say I've tried this with BASIC...0 > J >   Regardless of any built-in language support, BASIC and other languagesK >   can *call* a routine with a variable number of arguments via lib$callg. D >   The "caller" is rather easier than the "callee", in other words. >iK > :My colleges on work and we have some ideas with stack, but unfortunatelyE# > :Basic have not stack operations.a > D >   The RTL LIB$ invocation context calls might be of interest here. >-, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:25:16 +0200-5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>p Subject: Re: VMS DNS questions- Message-ID: <39AB655C.4E08300D@whitehouse.nl>i   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  T > Depends on your TCPIP stack: > P > UCX V4:         has a BIND 4 implementation (NAMED.BOOT instead of NAMED.CONF); >                         but multiple domains are possibleh  B On V4 the equivalent of the named.conf file is in 'ucx show config bind'.   Oswald   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2000 07:27:44 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: VMS DNS questions0 Message-ID: <8ofolg$jsf$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  F In article <39A9657F.FA537305@vrx.net>, Dan <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:: >Is there an equivilent to the named.conf on a VMS system?4 >Where is it, how is it organized, and all the rest. > 5 >I need to setup multiple domains on the same system.o  L We need to know what TCP/IP software you are using. Here I have Multinet and) it uses the Unix format of the DNS files.M   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann:  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:36:01 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>D Subject: Re: VMS DNS questions' Message-ID: <39ABBC9B.85CFBBC2@vrx.net>   H Now can someone tell me where in this mess I can setup multiple domains?L I've read everything suggested, and there isn't even a mention of setting up multiple domains.s   B    Oswald Knoppers wrote:   > Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: >a  > > Depends on your TCPIP stack: > >fR > > UCX V4:         has a BIND 4 implementation (NAMED.BOOT instead of NAMED.CONF)= > >                         but multiple domains are possible> >uD > On V4 the equivalent of the named.conf file is in 'ucx show config > bind'. >  > Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:36:41 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>  Subject: Re: VMS DNS questions' Message-ID: <39ABBCC3.FC66D1BB@vrx.net>>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:e  N > We need to know what TCP/IP software you are using. Here I have Multinet and+ > it uses the Unix format of the DNS files.   # openvms7.2, tcpip 5.0, TCP not UCX.>   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:54:39 -0400O# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>1 Subject: RE: VMS DNS questionsD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD7CB@berry.mvpsi.com>  H For V5 edit TCPIP$BIND.CONF and add zone... statements.  You can have as many as you like.   L For V4 use the UCX SET CONFIG BIND/PRIMARY=(DOMAIN:mydom.com) command to add5 each domain.  Again, you can add as many as you like.    > -----Original Message-----* > From: Beyonder [mailto:beyonder@vrx.net]( > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:36 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-  > Subject: Re: VMS DNS questions >  > 9 > Now can someone tell me where in this mess I can setup e > multiple domains?c9 > I've read everything suggested, and there isn't even a u > mention of setting upa > multiple domains.n >  > B  >  > Oswald Knoppers wrote: >  > > Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > >i" > > > Depends on your TCPIP stack: > > >a> > > > UCX V4:         has a BIND 4 implementation (NAMED.BOOT  > instead of NAMED.CONF)? > > >                         but multiple domains are possiblen > >AF > > On V4 the equivalent of the named.conf file is in 'ucx show config
 > > bind'. > >:
 > > Oswald >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:27:44 -0400T From: Dan <beyonder@vrx.net> Subject: Re: VMS DNS questions' Message-ID: <39AAAF20.2ECA6D2C@vrx.net>n   John Vottero wrote:N  J > For V5 edit TCPIP$BIND.CONF and add zone... statements.  You can have as > many as you like.N  M I'll take a look at it. hopefully it's fairly close to named.conf (I'm a unixT guy).O1 But I really appreciate the message and the help!n   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:43:39 +0900s2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: VMS FAQ - Augustr+ Message-ID: <39ABA1EA.744FD669@digital.com>p   Apologizing for the delayo  = The August 2000 version of the VMS Frequently Asked Questions. is finally up in HTML at:a# http://Eisner.decus.org/vms/faq.htm>  ? remarks about errors and opinions regarding content to the FAQs  maintainer.a; Remarks about errors and opinions regarding format, browser>( compatibility etc. - to the undersigned.   Mike i -- >E ---------------------------------------------------------------------*E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------t -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----u Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:25:01 -0400r2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: Where can I get TLB files?*L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2908000225010001@user-2ive677.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <8oe74u$bn2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:M    K >   For basic LPR/LPD operations, TCP/IP Services can be used.  (Postscript-H >   interpreters are bi-directional, and LPR/LPD isn't really set up to K >   receive data from the printer.  But for throw-n-go printing, it should e >   work just fine.)  = Throw-n-go.  Best description of tcp/ip printing I have seen.e  G Throw the job through a few oonix servers mandated by the wacky networkoC folks, and then try to figure out where along the way it didn't go.t  A Or, like most things from ooninx, "look what the cat dragged in".t   -- e Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:03:49 +0200o= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o' Subject: Re: Where can I get TLB files?.) Message-ID: <39AB6055.D5599CDC@gtech.com>c   Jason McCormick wrote:L >   What is DCPS and what exactly does it do?  I'm kinda getting thrown intoN > this VAX administrator stuff since the person that used to administer it hasM > since retired.  We're using VMS 6.2 with Multinet (which is where I've beenrJ > setting up my printer queues).  It asked me for a TLB file and no matterL > what I put in, I either get a "File not found" or the printer prints out aJ > sheet about Invalid Comamnds.  Does this make sense?  If so, how do I go6 > about implementing this DCPS stuff with what I have.  C DCPS are a special print-symbiont for communicating with PostScriptn	 printers.b   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:14:10 +0100m2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>' Subject: Re: Where can I get TLB files?-. Message-ID: <39AB8CF2.4D49E1D2@CCAgroup.co.uk>   Jason McCormick wrote:- >   What is DCPS and what exactly does it do?:  7 Key point: DCPS won't use lpd, & has no plans to do so.iG It will use serial, appletalk, and 'raw ip', whatever that is - none ofaC my printers seem to support it, so I find dcps of no use whatsoeverc@ (serial & appletalk are relatively slow, & already have adequate symbionts & tlbs of their own).n  H Appletalk has been retired & unsupported for quite some time, so it, andH presumably applications which rely on it (including DCPS ?) may break at
 some time.  G I created a tlb to replace the old appletalk tlb (msap$devctl). It doescG a fair job (all the stuff I need) within the limitations of lpd. Called G lpddevctl on the freeware, I think. Never tried it on a colour printer,d' but try it - it's worth every penny ;).s  B To use colour, I'd expect you're sending postscript anyway, so you@ wouldn't need a tlb. The tlb typically just allows you to choose@ fontsize, & landscape/porttrait, for plain text files. You couldC probably hack mine around to put headings in colour, if you wanted.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:28:06 -0400t2 From: "Jason McCormick" <jason.mccormick@lexi.com>' Subject: Re: Where can I get TLB files?-3 Message-ID: <39abe48d$0$27965@wodc7nh0.news.uu.net>v  J   When I add the printer in Multinet, the fourth line I have to fill in is3 called "Library".  It has this text attached to it:   L lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
 qqqqqqqqqqqqk G x  Name of a text file to be used as the device control library. Do not1 x J x  include the file's path. MultiNet assumes all libraries are of type TLB and          x= x  reside in SYS$LIBRARY. Default: SYS$LIBRARY:SYSDEVCTL.TLB.U x L mqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
 qqqqqqqqqqqqj   H If I leave it blank or try to enter "sysdevctl" I get the following from! "show que/all/full minolta$print"r  4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------?     746  AA97            SYSJASON        417  Retained on errorsC        %PSM-E-MODNOTFND, library module !AS not found in record !UL &        -LBR-E-KEYNOTFND, key not foundL          Submitted 29-AUG-2000 12:22:24.15 /FORM=POS_DEFAULT (stock=DEFAULT)          /PRIORITY=1008          File: _LEXI$DKA300:[SYS0.SYSMGR.JASON]AA97.PS;1A          Completed 29-AUG-2000 12:22:24.60 on queue MINOLTA$PRINTi  K AA97 is a PostScript document.  There's another file we use for the rest of-I the printers, which are all QMS, called qms1700.  If I use that file, thenK Minolta print spews out PS error codes.  So obviously that doesn't work.  IrE can print this same PS file from Window NT and Unix using LPD with nol	 problems.   ! Thanks for the help everyone.  :)e  2 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515". <Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message- news:xx1GKDMyW3jo@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu...t5 > In article <39aaa128$0$21285@wodc7nh0.news.uu.net>,r: >     "Jason McCormick" <jason.mccormick@lexi.com> writes:/ > >   What is DCPS and what exactly does it do?l >eJ >         It's a layered product that  "knows"  how  to talk to PostscriptJ >     printers  and can use TCP/IP, Appletalk/Ethertalk, LAT and (in  someJ >     cases) serial lines  to  communicate  with  printers.   It  providesJ >     automatic  translation  of  "plain text" and PCL into Postscript forJ >     typical  non-  postscript  files,  as  well  as  various  formatting >     features (like N-up).b >tI > >                                              I'm kinda getting thrown  intoL > > this VAX administrator stuff since the person that used to administer it has J > > since retired.  We're using VMS 6.2 with Multinet (which is where I've beenL > > setting up my printer queues).  It asked me for a TLB file and no matterL > > what I put in, I either get a "File not found" or the printer prints out a 8 > > sheet about Invalid Comamnds.  Does this make sense? >nJ >         Yes and no.  We're running Multinet  4.2A on VMS 7.2 (and 7.2-1)J >     on  VAX  and  Alpha.   Using Multinet's MU  CONF/PRINTER  to  ADD  aJ >     printer, I don't see any prompt for a "TLB file".  Could you give  aJ >     transcript  of what you attempted which generated the file not found >     error message? >eJ >         Putting on my psychic's  hat,  :-)  I'd  guess that what you areJ >     calling  a "TLB file" is what VMS terms a "device control  library",J >     which is a _text_ library having a file type of .TLB .  I'm guessingJ >     that somewhere something is asking you for  the  name  of  a  deviceJ >     control library for the print queue you're creating.  Since the fileJ >     name  you  supplied  doesn't  exist, the procedure or print symbiontH >     issues the file-not-found error when it tries to access that file. >eJ >         _You_ must create and populate  the text library yourself before/ >     you initialize and start the print queue:u >u( >         $ LIB/TEXT/CREATE somename.TLB >i >     followed by using, > 7 >         $ LIB/TEXT somename somemod1.TXT,somemod2.TXTs >cJ >     to add or replace somemod1 and  somemod2 to somename.TLB .  The textJ >     modules  are plain ascii created with any text editor, etc., and forJ >     a  postscript  printer  would  be  postscript  modules.   The  printJ >     symbiont  will  (attempt  to)  read those modules from the sepcifiedJ >     device control library  depending  upon  the  specific PRINT command >     used.n >h >          -Ken, > --/ >  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet:s Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu < >  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515L >  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----D >  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2000 10:30:33 -05003 From: rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal (Roger Ivie)h1 Subject: Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive? = Message-ID: <slrn8qnlrr.7ke.rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal>s  7 In article <39A5E333.C5A6A292@vrx.net>, Beyonder wrote:  >Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >e@ >> I am confused as to why you value your "sight unseen" guessesE >> higher than the opinions of those people who have seen the source,rB >> have seen the books, have seen the I&DS and have seen the rough@ >> format description passed out at DECUS symposia 10 years ago. >dG >Simple logic. A few "excerpts" from the source listings can in no way ) >substitute forQP >the entire listings. Depending on how the code was written. Modules outside theE >listings you are reading in the books can have a profound effect on p >things you ares0 >attempting to do, depending on what it is, etc.  E The I&DS and Filesystems Internals are _not_ "listing excerpts". They$' are actual honest-to-god documentation.n  G >I have been programming various computer languages since 1976, that's t >over 24 years ofwJ >experience, and over 10 years of that (contiguous) is DEC Vax experience.  F Then you should be aware of the quality of DEC documentation. I cannotC imaging spending 10 years programming a machine and never stumblinge across documentation.u  D >Say you have one of these IDS books or internals or some such. Ok,  >fine, you buildC >some sort of program or interface or whatever, maybe your own I/O u >routines. Sure, it'dnD >take a while. But then, it doesn't work, or some unforseen factors  >make your program? >operate in a way it shouldn't. or some other thing. what then?e  H Sure, listings are handy especially if you're working on device drivers.& But they are _not_ the starting point. -- a
 Roger Ivie% TeraGlobal Communications Corporatione& 1770 North Research Park Way Suite 100 Logan, UT 84341r mailto:rivie@teraglobal.coma phoneto:(435)787-0555o faxto:(435)787-0516r    > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!l> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.483 ************************e support, BASIC and other languagesK >   can *call* a routine with a variable number of arguments via lib$callg. D >   The "caller" is rather easier than the "callee", in other words. >iK > :My colleges on work and we have some ideas with stack, but unfortunatelyE# > :Basic have not stack operations.a > D >   The RTL LIB$ invocation context calls might be of interest here. >-, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) 