1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 30 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 485       Contents:( Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP.( Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP.# 3rd party external RAID. It works ! 9 Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file.  analysing object libraries$ Re: Another perspective on anti-spam Re: Any comments on the CETS?  Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: carl lydick  Re: carl lydick  Re: carl lydick  cluster_config (5) make option" Re: cluster_config (5) make option  DCL cross referencer / analyzer?8 Re: DECWindows ends abruptly, no login prompt returns... Direct I/O increase  Re: Direct I/O increase  RE: Direct I/O increase  Re: Direct I/O increase  Re: Direct I/O increase ' e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail + Re: e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail * Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list# Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS  Re: Google full of beans2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD Re: IMAP-Server for VMS? RE: INTERnet ACP AUXS error # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? % Re: Linux and Open VMS on Alpha XL266 0 Re: Low-level interface to AlpSta parallel port?0 Re: Low-level interface to AlpSta parallel port? Multinet TCP/IP  RE: Multinet TCP/IP 4 OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?8 RE: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?8 Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?8 Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?! RE: OpenVMS Marketing, Partnering ! Re: OT: 1.3GHz Pentium III Faulty 6 OT: Spam, spam, spam, spam (Was: Six Figure Income !!)& Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100& Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100& Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100 Re: printer queue problems Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?  Re: Security/Auditing question Re: Six Figure Income !! Re: Six Figure Income !! Re: Six Figure Income !! Re: Six Figure Income !! Re: Six Figure Income !!! Re: Six Figure Income !! - remove  Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist $ Tracking / receipt of mail over SMTP Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's  Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's  Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's  Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's  Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's  Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's  Re: VMS 2.0, anyone?= Re: VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,...  Re: Where can I get TLB files?( Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive? Re: WORD viewer for VMS  Re: WORD viewer for VMS  Re: WORD viewer for VMS  Re: WORD viewer for VMS  Re: WORD viewer for VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:42:47 +0100 & From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com>1 Subject: Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. * Message-ID: <39ACC907.46FFA0EF@compaq.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:   > > Roy Omond wrote in message <39ABD14D.7C604CA8@compaq.com>... > [... snip ...] > >  > >My sympathies ... > > H > >In a previous life, I was told the same.  I had to get rid of the VMSH > >cluster by October 1996 (or was it 1995 ?).  Hmmm... it's still thereE > >up-and-running as I write !  (before a complete power outage which F > >lasted several hours this year, system uptime was, IIRC, 800 days). > B > I was also told the same thing by a new VP a few years back at aE > previous location, it is amazing how often VMS clusters outlive the F > VP. (AFAIK they still are trying to sell off the HP UX hardware thatD > the VP ordered to replace VMS, it is sitting in an old part of the1 > mill that was converted to a storage building.)  > 0 > May your cluster live a long and happy life :)  @ Hee hee !  Also in this case, the VMScluster has (by many years)? outlived the "VP" (VP is a misnomer here;  the guy was actually E professor (in the UK sense, i.e. head) of computer science at a major F European university, and also the founder of a certain "Data Division": at a *very* large European laboratory).  When asked why weB should keep VMS, I replied "Because we deserve the best", to whichC his reply was "Yes, I admit VMS is the best", and then proceeded to F insist on switching to Unix nevertheless, even though we had plenty of Unix machines already in place.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd., (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:57:07 GMT & From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)1 Subject: Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. 1 Message-ID: <39acd6bc.178104350@news.newsguy.com>   2 On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:23:15 -0400, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   >Jim Jennis wrote:  H >> Recently, the factory was purchased by a new owner, and when they gotL >> quotes from Compaq about re-licensing VMS their CFO had a serious case of >> sticker shock.  >>   >> That was all it took. >>  I >> In May, (sadly) we finished porting the applications and databases and J >> replaced it all with Linux. Although I love Linux, and IMHO it is a FARQ >> BETTER SOLUTION THAN M$ CAN OFFER, it is still not in the same league as OVMS.  > O >Well, one thing I am sure of.  This should never have happened.  Either no-one H >took the case to the VMS people and explained the certainty of losing aN >customer, or, the wrong person was approached.  I'm very sure something could >have been worked out.  E Perhaps becoming the case today but Compaq were very unflexible until E very recently remember. And still can be at a local level where sales  haven't yet got the message.     >Dave  >  >-- 5 >David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 5 >Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596 ? >DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 7 >T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:00:35 +0400 $ From: Mikhail Nosov <mike@marsat.ru>, Subject: 3rd party external RAID. It works !9 Message-ID: <NDBBLKMFABODFJIBDBAMMELFDEAA.mike@marsat.ru>   	 Dear All, ? I just installed external RAID controller Infortrend IFT-3102UG : with appropriate case, cables and IBM HDD, connected it to@ spare KZPBA. After automated raid setup (mostly disk formatting,9 I think) OVMS 7.1-1H1 found it as DKB0: and I was able to , initialize and use it. No problems at all ! 6 And at half the price of comparable Compaq solution...   Hope this info will be of use.   Mikhail Nosov, Morsviazsputnik IT Manager.  Phone +7 095 967-1878  ---------------------------  http://www.marsat.ru E-Mail: mike@marsat.ru   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:44:20 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)B Subject: Re: ??== DCPS: PostScript sections in an ANSI coded file.D Message-ID: <aus-3008001044200001@wvia71.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  B In article <39abca52$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net wrote:   ...>  G > Why would one want to "print to a disk file" ? This is PeeCee syntax.  >  ...   E I'd like to shorten the print time by using a Postscript file for the  letterhead directly.   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:43:32 GMT  From: waarom_nok@my-deja.com# Subject: analysing object libraries ) Message-ID: <8oja2t$j8c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hello,  F I am making an header-files out of an analysation of a message object. This works OK.   But now:E The object is in a library, so I can extract it from library, analyse F it and afterwards delete it OR just analyse the object from within the library.  : Now I read in the help that this syntax should do the job:  B analyse /object OBJECT_LIBRARY /include=OBJECT /output=ANALYSE.LIS   but the only thing I get is:  ) "-LBR-W-TYPMISMCH, library type mismatch"     . Is there somebody that got this thing working.6 If you can explain why he keeps yelling at me, thanks.   Norbert.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:56:05 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> - Subject: Re: Another perspective on anti-spam ( Message-ID: <39AD3C9E.76379A9D@ohio.edu>   I think he meant       http://www.spamcop.net/                    RDP      Jim Agnew wrote:   > sure it's not .org?? >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > > ; > > "David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message + > > news:39AA977E.8B5B8DD4@tsoft-inc.com... L > > > A bit off topic, but there have been passionate statements in the past	 > > about O > > > spam.  Normally I just hit the delete button when I see an e-mail message  > > thatN > > > is obviously some sales/marketing mass mailing.  Every now and then I'll > > scan it I > > > just out of curiosity.  Did that today and really had a good laugh.  > > Here's how4 > > > the other side looks at you anti-span zealots. > > > 4 > > > ----------------------------------------------B > > > 4.  A "daily updated" anti bulk email list of terrorists and> > > > general anti-internet advertising extremists was used to6 > > > rid our lists of those people who, in a cowardly< > > > and deliberate manner, attack all marketing people who? > > > choose to utilize the greatest marketing discovery of all ? > > > time - DIRECT EMAIL. Our database of these individuals is ; > > > the largest one maintained worldwide and it keeps our 7 > > > lists free of undesirable and extremist elements. 4 > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > 5 > > > So, are you one of these (mark all that apply):  > > >  > > > (  ) terrorists  > > > (  ) extremists  > > > (  ) cowardly  > > > (  ) undesirable > > L > > Guess I'm one of the those VastRightWingAntiSPAMExtremists. Proud of it,J > > too. If you want to come over to the Dark Side (there's plenty of roomN > > here!) pay a visit to http://www.spamcop.com You'll be a better person forM > > it, and you'll end up getting messages like the following (my second SPAM  > > kill thus far today) > >  > > Hello txxxxxxxxxn, > > ) > > Thank you for writing to MSN Hotmail. O > > I appreciate your bringing this matter to our attention. I  have closed the O > > account you reported in accordance with the Hotmail Terms of Service (TOS). M > > It is a strict violation of the TOS for our members to send objectionable 5 > > material of any kind or nature using our service. . > > You can view our rules and regulations at:L > >     http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/dasp/hminfo_shell.asp?content=tos   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:29:18 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) & Subject: Re: Any comments on the CETS?+ Message-ID: <loW6DV6zRYeY@eisner.decus.org>   s In article <V0Wq5.55968$_s1.655051@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: I >> I was thinking of going this year, but wondered what others thought of ! >> the new format.  Any comments?  > M > From a presenter's perspective, it ain't your daddy's DECUS (the submission - > and approval process is far more rigorous).  > K > From a content perspective, it should be a very worthwhile event. Hope to  > see ya there!   C From a participant's process it leaves something to be desired. The J registration process for those of us who must pay via something other thanJ personal credit card (i.e. company PO etc) was painful to say the least. IE think Im registered, and have a hotel, but I'm not yet 100% sure. And 7 probably won't be until I get there and see fro myself.   J I just downloaded the over 100 page UPDATE.SYMPOSIUM document, and seem toE be having trouble figuring everything out. The sessions listed in the K various categories jsut don't seem to be related. I suspect each session is K listed in multiple places, as I keep having a sense of DeJaVu as I read the 1 list and look for stuff I might be interested in.   J And I guess I'm supposed to regiaster for something else, perhaps startingL today, but I don't know what. Will I be missing something if I don't do this today? Or soon?   L And then there is one real question I need answered. I've finally learned toL only bring enough T-shirts to DECUS to get me through the first 2 days. Will( that rule still be in effect for CETS2K?  / 	Bob "Set the Wayback Machine for 1982" Kaplow	   E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:23:47 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale * Message-ID: <39ACE0B2.D59E333A@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:  G > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:05:28 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy # > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  > P > >You are also relying on OpenVMS engineering getting the cluster code right asK > >well and as Nigel Arnot pointed out on this newsgroup one of the reasons I > >why an OpenVMS cluster may not be a good idea for the space shuttle is L > >because occasionally the OpenVMS cluster can get "wedged". Or put anotherN > >way OpenVMS engineering don't always get everything right 100% of the time. > F > I certainly trust the OS groups to get this right (eventually), onceE > and for all, than relying on all of the application vendors to each F > get it right individually.  And occasions where OpenVMS clusters get; > "wedged" have been much fewer than in the early days too.  >   F I am confused here, you seem to work for Compaq or thats what your SigL implies and the same appears to be the case with Jim. So why are both of youD arguing that it should all be part of the OS. Do you realise how out( of line you are with Compaqs top brass ?  F Look where Compaq is spending its money on benchmarking and marketing.H The most recent and most costly cluster benchmark ever run by Compaq wasP done on NT using a shared nothing architecture where almost all the "clustering"0 was effected by MS SQL-Server and not by the OS.  K Every time Gates or Balmer pronounces on the scalability and reliability of O NT clusters the Compaq backing vocalists can be guaranteed to be in attendance.    read  P http://www1.compaq.com/pressrelease/0,1494,wp%7E14583_2%21ob%7E32566_1_1,00.html  F What Balmer is describing is a shared nothing Cluster for scalability.   read  P http://www1.compaq.com/pressrelease/0,1494,wp%7E14583_2%21ob%7E32506_1_1,00.html  L What do you think all these Compaq architects/consultants/NT specialists are building forQ customers that require reliability and scalability. Hint it certainly isn't based 
 on an OS with ; anything more than the most rudimentary clustering support.    > = > On the other hand, take lots of single, standalone systems, C > replicating the same data everywhere, with "load balancing" among E > them.  Most of the "load balancing" I've seen doesn't account for a G > system that gets "wedged" either, and continues to send users to that & > system... not much difference there. >   B But that is precisely the solution that Compaq would have everyoneC believe is the future of reliable scalable datacenter computing. NTe? "clusters" with SQL-Server. If you don't work for Compaq then IuD appologise for aiming this at you, if you do then I suggest that you' start reading the corporate hymn sheet.   A BTW I agree with you in the sense that I think that the OS shouldeF provide a foundation for clustering I just find it amusing that anyoneA from Compaq could really be arguing in favour of this because itsi( not where they are spending their money.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectl   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 09:40:03 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)a! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Salet* Message-ID: <8oj2rj$c8b$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <39ACE0B2.D59E333A@uk.sun.com>,D Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:
 >jlsue wrote:n >sH >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:05:28 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy$ >> <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >>Q >> >You are also relying on OpenVMS engineering getting the cluster code right as L >> >well and as Nigel Arnot pointed out on this newsgroup one of the reasonsJ >> >why an OpenVMS cluster may not be a good idea for the space shuttle isM >> >because occasionally the OpenVMS cluster can get "wedged". Or put anotherBO >> >way OpenVMS engineering don't always get everything right 100% of the time.  >>G >> I certainly trust the OS groups to get this right (eventually), onceeF >> and for all, than relying on all of the application vendors to eachG >> get it right individually.  And occasions where OpenVMS clusters gett< >> "wedged" have been much fewer than in the early days too. >> >oG >I am confused here, you seem to work for Compaq or thats what your Sig M >implies and the same appears to be the case with Jim. So why are both of you E >arguing that it should all be part of the OS. Do you realise how out ) >of line you are with Compaqs top brass ?  >u  I Yes, you are confused.  Compaq marketing also promotes OpenVMS clusteringM! as the most advanced available.  .  D Nowhere in any of those references that you quote will you find thatA Compaq or Microsoft are particularly promoting the shared-nothing ? clustering of Windows 2000 as being highly advanced or the best  way to cluster.b  A What they are saying, very effectively, is that you can get quiteWA excellent price performance and performance on commodity hardware)B with MS-SQL Server.  These solutions do not, today, feature highlyA advanced clustering, but I understand that MS is working on that.e  ? I'm sure that Compaq would like to have a lot of experience andf7 presence in the clustered Windows market as it matures.s  G >Look where Compaq is spending its money on benchmarking and marketing. I >The most recent and most costly cluster benchmark ever run by Compaq was!Q >done on NT using a shared nothing architecture where almost all the "clustering"m1 >was effected by MS SQL-Server and not by the OS.a >pL >Every time Gates or Balmer pronounces on the scalability and reliability ofP >NT clusters the Compaq backing vocalists can be guaranteed to be in attendance. >/ >reade >tQ >http://www1.compaq.com/pressrelease/0,1494,wp%7E14583_2%21ob%7E32566_1_1,00.htmle >aG >What Balmer is describing is a shared nothing Cluster for scalability.r >e >readx >tQ >http://www1.compaq.com/pressrelease/0,1494,wp%7E14583_2%21ob%7E32506_1_1,00.html  >mM >What do you think all these Compaq architects/consultants/NT specialists areo
 >building forDR >customers that require reliability and scalability. Hint it certainly isn't based >on an OS with< >anything more than the most rudimentary clustering support. >   E Compaq consultants also build more OpenVMS cluster solutions than any'@ other service organization on the planet.  So what's your point?  B Customers are asking for scaleable Windows solutions for a host of9 reasons and Compaq does provide these better than anyone.   B This is your tired old attack on Compaq.  If Compaq shows off some< capability of Tru64 you say "see, see, they don't care about< OpenVMS", if they showcase Tandem you say "proof that Compaq< isn't interested in OpenVMS", when they hawk their bread and9 butter Windows systems...  Of course, you are pretty much ; silent when they do OpenVMS marketing.  Marketing that has l< plastered all over it that it's the most advanced clustering solution available.   5 Spin, spin, misrepresentations, innuendo, lies, spin.o   >>> >> On the other hand, take lots of single, standalone systems,D >> replicating the same data everywhere, with "load balancing" amongF >> them.  Most of the "load balancing" I've seen doesn't account for aH >> system that gets "wedged" either, and continues to send users to that' >> system... not much difference there.  >> >aC >But that is precisely the solution that Compaq would have everyone D >believe is the future of reliable scalable datacenter computing. NT@ >"clusters" with SQL-Server. If you don't work for Compaq then IE >appologise for aiming this at you, if you do then I suggest that yous( >start reading the corporate hymn sheet. >nB >BTW I agree with you in the sense that I think that the OS shouldG >provide a foundation for clustering I just find it amusing that anyonenB >from Compaq could really be arguing in favour of this because its) >not where they are spending their money.@ >r  B Compaq spends their money where they can expect to get the largestG returns.  In case you haven't noticed, there's a huge market clammoring2% for more scaleable Windows solutions.v  = That doesn't imply that they don't also spend money on other e technologies.  h   >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect >a >b >    -Jordan Hendersonr jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:00:20 GMT( From: jgessling@yahoo.comt! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale ) Message-ID: <8oj417$bcc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o   Andrew said:  H > I am confused here, you seem to work for Compaq or thats what your SigG > implies and the same appears to be the case with Jim. So why are bothe of you/ > arguing that it should all be part of the OS.   F I do not work for Compaq, I did briefly (6 months) a couple years ago.B I argue that clustering should be part of the OS, because it's the? right place for it.  If you picture the layers in a system fromeG application software (top), to system software, to hardware (bottom), I D think it's pretty obvious that reliability features belong as low as? possible.  This makes the application logic, independent of therD application configuration.  This allows for building a configurationB that matches the usage pattern and the load, without modifying the application code.t  7 And while I'm at it, from a previous post, Andrew said:-  F >when in practice applications have to be modified in order to provideF >continuous access to their services if they are running in a cluster.  F Wrong. There is no "Guide to Building VMS Cluster Aware Applications".( Why not, cause there is no need for one.   Jim     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:15:59 +0100O  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer SaleiH Message-ID: <OFED392328.FA83BD42-ON8025694B.004D9A6B@qedi.quintiles.com>  D This is just the kind of point that I keep trying to state here.  ItF doesn't really matter what VMS development and VMS marketing are doingK because the mindset of so many "professionals" in this environment is "well-H we've been screwed before with these announcements so we're just in line for it again".  * As far as I can see guys, _it's_not_true_.  J Compaq have a firm commitment to OpenVMS, Tru64 and Windows.  I personally: dislike Windows, but that ain't gonna help me a lot is it?  H What you've also got to bear in mind is that Compaq are not going to putF down any of the four of their operating system environments (includingK Linux) to any great extent because that's just not marketing or sales.  YoueC must play to your strengths, not draw attention to your weaknesses.-   Steve.      < Jordan Henderson (jordan at lisa dot gemair dot com) wrote :  H >>>Compaq consultants also build more OpenVMS cluster solutions than any  @ other service organization on the planet.  So what's your point?B Customers are asking for scaleable Windows solutions for a host of9 reasons and Compaq does provide these better than anyone.a  B This is your tired old attack on Compaq.  If Compaq shows off some< capability of Tru64 you say "see, see, they don't care about< OpenVMS", if they showcase Tandem you say "proof that Compaq< isn't interested in OpenVMS", when they hawk their bread and9 butter Windows systems...  Of course, you are pretty muche: silent when they do OpenVMS marketing.  Marketing that has< plastered all over it that it's the most advanced clustering solution available.<<<   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:36:06 +0000 (   )03 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>@! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer SalerJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10008301627120.22191-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ' On 30 Aug 2000, Jordan Henderson wrote:   K > Yes, you are confused.  Compaq marketing also promotes OpenVMS clusteringr# > as the most advanced available.  v   Where?  F > Nowhere in any of those references that you quote will you find thatC > Compaq or Microsoft are particularly promoting the shared-nothing A > clustering of Windows 2000 as being highly advanced or the bestt > way to cluster.w  G In support of andrew, here -- by marketing the stuff at all, the publictJ being as ignorant as it is, compaq is effectively tricking all of the phbsH into believing that windows clustering *is* advanced.  The only way theyJ could counter this would be to market both solutions side-by-side, touting" the VMS solution as more advanced.   ...but call me pessimistic.   C > advanced clustering, but I understand that MS is working on that.e  ; I understand that MS is working on memory protection too ;)o  D > Customers are asking for scaleable Windows solutions for a host of; > reasons and Compaq does provide these better than anyone.d  F Unfortunately, I have to question whether the customers know what theyC need.  I imagine they're just asking for scalable windows solutions J because they assume all computers run windows. (A bit of sarcasim there --G what I mean is that if there were other highly visible solutions, maybee. the customers would start asking for those...)  7 > Spin, spin, misrepresentations, innuendo, lies, spin.   J Maybe this was spin, and maybe not, but it brings up the (very good) pointJ that unless something is changed, the public will see windows "clustering"D and try to shoehorn that into places where it doesn't belong because nobody knows about VMS.   D > Compaq spends their money where they can expect to get the largestI > returns.  In case you haven't noticed, there's a huge market clammoring ' > for more scaleable Windows solutions.t  I Again, I think what that market really wants is a more scalable solution.cB The windows part being incidental, because they don't know better.  I On a final, very serious note, where can I find this VMS asvertising thatb# you mention?  I've seen none of it.i   Regards,   Chrisu    O ===============================================================================/@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer= Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % -------------------------------------rI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and/H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 mO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------C   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:13:02 +01006B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sales) Message-ID: <39AD409D.F6CBE4F@uk.sun.com>w   jgessling@yahoo.com wrote:   > Andrew said: >mJ > > I am confused here, you seem to work for Compaq or thats what your SigI > > implies and the same appears to be the case with Jim. So why are botha > of you1 > > arguing that it should all be part of the OS.o >tH > I do not work for Compaq, I did briefly (6 months) a couple years ago.D > I argue that clustering should be part of the OS, because it's theA > right place for it.  If you picture the layers in a system from)I > application software (top), to system software, to hardware (bottom), ItF > think it's pretty obvious that reliability features belong as low asA > possible.  This makes the application logic, independent of theIF > application configuration.  This allows for building a configurationD > that matches the usage pattern and the load, without modifying the > application code.s >i9 > And while I'm at it, from a previous post, Andrew said:  >DH > >when in practice applications have to be modified in order to provideH > >continuous access to their services if they are running in a cluster. > H > Wrong. There is no "Guide to Building VMS Cluster Aware Applications".* > Why not, cause there is no need for one. >e  < Uhhhh so how did Oracle OPS get to work with the OpenVMS DLMG how do you re-start a process in a cluster if the node that the processrB is on fails and recover the data that the process was using to the@ point where the process was on the node that failed ??????  What> happens to client connections how are they re-started/migrated to a running node.    I will quote you Rob Youngs post  E >By the way... "modified" is not correct.  Several large applicationsa= >were/are written with clusters in mind.  They just so happenu% >to run standalone also (DLM is DLM).:  C You cannot both be right so why don't you and Rob have a discussionoE offline about which of you are correct and then agree a response. YoutF see Rob is agreeing with my point which is that there is coding in the= applications running on an OpenVMS cluster to make use of theoB Cluster services while you do not seem to agree with this. He just@ seems to want written with clusters in mind to be subsituted for6 modified for clusters which is simply splitting hairs.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 17:28:44 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Salen0 Message-ID: <8ojg8c$k84$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  o In article <39A58A44.11653125@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:S >"D.Webb" wrote: >ar >> In article <39A404C7.F886C5A2@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >> >jgessling@yahoo.com wrote: >CN >> This is not something for sysadmins to use it is specifically for diagnosisO >> by Sun engineers. When the problem has been diagnosed a normal patch will beqL >> provided which will need to be applied in the normal manner (eg rebooting >> the system).e. >> The re-vectoring does not survive a reboot. >> >GH >But it does not have to, re-vectoring is done to the running image, theF >image on disk can be patched prior to the re-boot with the patch usedH >for re-vectoring. The rebooted system will now be using the patched OS. >5    K But can the image on disk be patched without doing a normal patch? A normalb8 patch involving taking the system into single-user mode.  ' The people I spoke to didn't think so.    K Unlike VMS you can't have multiple versions of patched files sitting arounduK - with the OS still using the old version (until reboot). And I would thinkiN that revectoring to differently named files would rapidly lead to confusion asO patch was layered onto patch. (Also you would need to patch other files so thats* the new file would be accessed on reboot).  J Or by kernel mode patching are you only referring to those files which areJ read into memory at boottime and are not either held open or opened by theL kernel later. That would severely restrict the number of patches which could be applied in this manner.        w >>R >> Hence this is not normal patching to fix a problem but a procedure which can beN >> used by Sun engineers to try out fixes without rebooting a system. Once the8 >> correct fix is identified normal patching is applied. >rG >See above, there is nothing to stop you running the system for as long E >as you like with the fixes applied but when you reboot you will then I >pick up a patched OS as well. Of course you make decide not to implimentvH >the fix in which case you don't patch the OS on disk and you don't then- >pick the fix up next time you do the reboot.l >     O See my question above about the feasibilty of patching the ondisk image without.F taking the system into single-user mode (which as far as the users are# concerned is the same as a reboot).>     >> >>O >> This is very different from what you have been implying in your posts on thesP >> subject ie All patches being able to be applied without rebooting the system. >> >  >See above.K >n >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect >o >r >l    M Also as I indicated in my previous post my understanding is that this is onlya! to be performed by Sun engineers.e  L Please post a reference to the online documentation/manual for this facilityF which could be used by a normal sysadmin to perform this hot patching.  N If it's such a wonderful new feature which sysadmins should all be using then % it must be well and fully documented.I  @ (Once I receive the information I will pass it on to everyone inF comp.os.solaris so they can all start using it - After all it must be I foolproof if any sysadmin can use it - So you and Sun won't get any calls  where it goes wrong).u       
 David Webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:14:39 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: carl lydick. Message-ID: <8oiqav$olq$3@info.service.rug.nl>  B In article <1efz8fx.1pjzs5333nfu6N%andekl@saaf.se>, andekl@saaf.se* (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=) writes:   % >Is the Eternal Flame still burning ?c8 >There was a web site with that title dedicated to Carl.C >I lost my bookmarks when I got a new computer, so I can't find it.p    Last time I checked it was gone.    http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/flame/   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:13:09 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: carl lydick. Message-ID: <8oiq85$olq$2@info.service.rug.nl>  
 In articleH <Pine.GSO.4.10.10008242012320.29857-100000@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu>, barbara6 trumpinski-roberts <kittent@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:   F >i don't know from vax.vms but i just thought i would come in here andH >remind you guys that carl 'speaker-to-minerals' lydick died 4 years ago >yesterday.c  H Has it been that long?  No, it can't be.  Just yesterday it seems I was  being flamed by Carl.!   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:20:39 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)n Subject: Re: carl lydick+ Message-ID: <zkxIunw7Xf2L@eisner.decus.org>b  [ In article <8oiqav$olq$3@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:aD > In article <1efz8fx.1pjzs5333nfu6N%andekl@saaf.se>, andekl@saaf.se, > (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=) writes:  > & >>Is the Eternal Flame still burning ?9 >>There was a web site with that title dedicated to Carl.cD >>I lost my bookmarks when I got a new computer, so I can't find it. > " > Last time I checked it was gone. > " > http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/flame/  . cosmic seems to have been shut down. But check  4 http://alumni.caltech.edu/~vance/carl_lydick.html or' http://www.myths.com/~dpm/vms/carl.htmlt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:13:06 +0200O> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>' Subject: cluster_config (5) make optionu2 Message-ID: <8oic11$42q$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>   Bonjour  tous,n  @ Under VMS Alpha 7.2-1, using cluster_config to make a new systemC root for some tests, the procedure warns to "have manual procedures A for completing operations that are not performed by this option".hA I had a at the look at the Cluster Systems Manual, chapter 8, butME I didn't find a descriptions of the make option, except in table 8-1.e? What should be the steps to complete the creation of a bootablea
 new root ?   Cordialement Jean-Franois Marchal  X9000 - Lyon (FR)l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:26:27 +0200 6 From: "philippe bocher" <philippe.cbocher@euriware.fr>+ Subject: Re: cluster_config (5) make optione$ Message-ID: <39acb5b3@news.euriware>  C It seems that with option 4 no files are created on the system diska( (Alphavmssys.par,modparams.dat,*.sys...)  H "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> a crit dans le5 message news: 8oic11$42q$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...  > Bonjour  tous,a >eB > Under VMS Alpha 7.2-1, using cluster_config to make a new systemE > root for some tests, the procedure warns to "have manual procedureshC > for completing operations that are not performed by this option".aC > I had a at the look at the Cluster Systems Manual, chapter 8, buttG > I didn't find a descriptions of the make option, except in table 8-1. A > What should be the steps to complete the creation of a bootableu > new root ? >i > Cordialement > Jean-Franois Marchale > X9000 - Lyon (FR)t >r >n Bonjour,H It seems that with option "Make" no files are created on the system disk) (Alphavmssys.par,modparams.dat,*.sys...).a   Philippe Bocherr Philippe.bocher@euriware.fro   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:51:17 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)a) Subject: DCL cross referencer / analyzer? + Message-ID: <d5ZqhQAZn26K@eisner.decus.org>   K A colleague is looking for a tool to analyze DCL code. Functionality neededmL includes a list of modules called, in tree form, cross references, symbols & logicals used, etc.m   Any suggestions or pointers?   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:42:36 -0400h' From: David Beatty <dabeat@wnt.sas.com>wA Subject: Re: DECWindows ends abruptly, no login prompt returns...u2 Message-ID: <uwCtOT36qJL2aN7d+HrZRjvFSKqN@4ax.com>  F Also, what version of DecWindows (most likely V1.2-5), are you running  D the default desktop (CDE), and, if so, did you install the update to! fix that issue -- DWMOTIF125_UPD?r  E On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:28:54 -0400, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Roberto Deininger) wrote:t  G >In article <39AC2246.A9A44142@genetek.com>, marksun@genetek.com wrote:i > 
 >> Hi All! >> uD >> Thanks to anyone who can help us figure out why this intermittent >> problem happens., >>  E >> SYSTEM: VMS 7.2-1 on 667 MHz XP1000 with dual headed Elsa graphicso	 >> cards.d >> rJ >> When we're dragging a window around, DECWindows abruptly shuts down allK >> of our windows, brings up the grey backgrounds on both screens, and thent' >> fails to provide a login prompt box.o >> .F >> Restarting DECWindows over the network with "$decw$startup restart"/ >> brings up a prompt box to log back in again.  >> 0K >> This happens on different systems configured similarly and appears to beeI >> a resource problem, but I'm not sure which one.  Autogen has been run,i >> without success.u >> e >nD >You might want to look at SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COMI >(or .TEMPLATE).  This file lets you adjust some stuff for the decwindowssB >server process.  I was able to stop some persistent problems withC >DECwindows dying this way.  My problems were on vaxes, but I thinka( >similar considerations apply on alphas. >rI >For example, for a Vaxstation 4000 90, I have the following in the file:s >l >$ decw$color == "T"# >$ decw$server_density == "100,100"i >$ decw$server_wsdef == 1024 >$ decw$server_wsquota == 2600# >$ decw$server_keyclick_volume == 0r% >$ define decw$server_page_file 65536  >cF >(I've tweeked 3 process quotas, and turned off the dreaded keyclick.) >e; >Before this, Netscape killed Decwindows almost every time.y > G >What I DON'T have handy are any notes on where I found the explanation K >for this stuff.  It's buried in the DECwindows manuals somewhere, I think.uP >But I sort of remember having to read through the decwindows startup procedures >to get the details right. >eG >You'll notice that I defined a bunch of symbols, and one logical name.sD >I sort of recall that some silly bug kept the symbol mechanism fromF >working, and I had to make the logical instead.  (I think the startupJ >command file defines some logicals based on the symbols, and then a laterL >command file uses the symbols to define the logicals, and then the logicalsG >are used when the server process is started.  Or maybe I've got it allaJ >backwards.)  As I said, I don't have my notes, and my memory isn't clear. > P >Also, we used a 2-head configuration on an alpha for a while.  It was noticiblyA >less stable than a single-head system, but I never found a cure.@   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:12:47 GMTn From: d_richarz@my-deja.com9 Subject: Direct I/O increase) Message-ID: <8oij65$ond$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   H Since a couple of days we recognize a high increase of direct I/O in oneD particular process that collects data from a database and produces aE text-based data collection for another program on an external system.r  K Although no further database or file access was added to the data collector0L program the number of direct I/Os increased from about 250000 to more than 6F million. The amount of data itself even decreased during that time. OfL course, the general performance of the program gets worse and worse (15 min.L total runtime before, now up to 80 min. because of the large number of I/O).  L All the other parameter shown (peak memory sizes, buffered I/Os, page faultsB etc.) after the process' termination are about the same as before.  M Has anybody ever recognized a similar behaviour ? Any hint or advice would ben appreciated.  	 Sincerely; Dirk Richarz# Corus Aluminium Hot Rolled Productss Koblenz, Germany    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 00 04:28:30 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comt  Subject: Re: Direct I/O increase( Message-ID: <HfZ+IapooItj@cpva.saic.com>  G In article <8oij65$ond$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, d_richarz@my-deja.com writes:tJ > Since a couple of days we recognize a high increase of direct I/O in oneF > particular process that collects data from a database and produces aG > text-based data collection for another program on an external system.y >   E Any chance that the database from which you are retrieving data is ancB indexed file that might have become excessively fragmented? If so,7 cure would be to reorganize (CONVERT) the indexed file.   M > Although no further database or file access was added to the data collectoreN > program the number of direct I/Os increased from about 250000 to more than 6H > million. The amount of data itself even decreased during that time. OfN > course, the general performance of the program gets worse and worse (15 min.N > total runtime before, now up to 80 min. because of the large number of I/O). > N > All the other parameter shown (peak memory sizes, buffered I/Os, page faultsD > etc.) after the process' termination are about the same as before. > O > Has anybody ever recognized a similar behaviour ? Any hint or advice would beb > appreciated. >  > Sincerely= > Dirk Richarz% > Corus Aluminium Hot Rolled Products- > Koblenz, Germany >  -- c - Jimo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:07:38 -0300o1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>b  Subject: RE: Direct I/O increaseK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE9C1@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>-  J Silly question I know, but have you checked your disk for fragmentation ?. - Darren   > ----------: > From: 	d_richarz@my-deja.com[SMTP:d_richarz@my-deja.com]+ > Sent: 	Wednesday, August 30, 2000 6:12 AMS > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	Direct I/O increasea > J > Since a couple of days we recognize a high increase of direct I/O in oneF > particular process that collects data from a database and produces aG > text-based data collection for another program on an external system.d > C > Although no further database or file access was added to the data6 > collectoruL > program the number of direct I/Os increased from about 250000 to more than > 6eH > million. The amount of data itself even decreased during that time. OfI > course, the general performance of the program gets worse and worse (15h > min.H > total runtime before, now up to 80 min. because of the large number of > I/O).  > G > All the other parameter shown (peak memory sizes, buffered I/Os, pages > faultsD > etc.) after the process' termination are about the same as before. > L > Has anybody ever recognized a similar behaviour ? Any hint or advice would > be > appreciated. >  > Sincerelyw > Dirk Richarz% > Corus Aluminium Hot Rolled Productse > Koblenz, Germany >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyrL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyinga of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaiF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:02:31 GMTh* From: "Dirk Lockard" <r.d.lockard@att.net>  Subject: Re: Direct I/O increaseF Message-ID: <HB7r5.1223$U41.100160@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  ; I ran into similar situations with RDB database queries. Ife; the cardinality becomes greater than X (I never figured outd9 what that value was) , then what would have been an indexe; only scan can become a cross-match-join, accounting for theu< dramatic rise in direct i/o's.  These I/o's will not show up6 in the parent process, but rather in the RDB_ process,: created for this query.  Sometimes this occured when a new; index was added to the table to improve performance for onen; transaction but causing others to take on a new, and worse,c9 query method.  This would only apply to 4gl's and dynamicn: sql as 3gl's would "lock in" their query method at compile6 time. Even 3gl's can become effected if they have been; re-compiled after the new conditions existed.Sometimes, thei8 stored cardinality value drifts from the actual count of: records in the table and needs to be "reset". But, I would; look to new indices that have recently been added to ANY ofa7 the tables used in the query, first.  Then, call in the 
 database guy.n   Dirk Lockard  * <mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com> wrote in message" news:HfZ+IapooItj@cpva.saic.com...+ > In article <8oij65$ond$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  d_richarz@my-deja.com writes: : > > Since a couple of days we recognize a high increase of direct I/O in one-9 > > particular process that collects data from a databased and produces a8 > > text-based data collection for another program on an external system. > >  >o< > Any chance that the database from which you are retrieving
 data is an1 > indexed file that might have become excessivelyp fragmented? If so,9 > cure would be to reorganize (CONVERT) the indexed file.  >s< > > Although no further database or file access was added to the data collector: > > program the number of direct I/Os increased from about 250000 to more than 6 < > > million. The amount of data itself even decreased during
 that time. Of.7 > > course, the general performance of the program getst worse and worse (15 min.: > > total runtime before, now up to 80 min. because of the large number of I/O).r > >t5 > > All the other parameter shown (peak memory sizes,u buffered I/Os, page faults; > > etc.) after the process' termination are about the same 
 as before. > >r9 > > Has anybody ever recognized a similar behaviour ? Anyi hint or advice would bey > > appreciated. > >e
 > > Sincerelyi > > Dirk Richarz' > > Corus Aluminium Hot Rolled Productsn > > Koblenz, Germany > >t > -- > - Jims   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:32:27 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>y  Subject: Re: Direct I/O increase( Message-ID: <39AD290B.FE08BC4D@mmaz.com>   d_richarz@my-deja.com wrote:  J > Since a couple of days we recognize a high increase of direct I/O in oneF > particular process that collects data from a database and produces aG > text-based data collection for another program on an external system.t  Q For this type of increase with fetches from a database (which database was that), > you may have problems with fragmented data or damaged indexes.   Barrye --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOr  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:16:29 GMT  From: dawnmoreton@my-deja.coms0 Subject: e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail( Message-ID: <8oiqe2$7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>  D Hi can anybody help me, we have a requirement to forward Exchange e-: mail onto our vax's either via SMTP or FTP(into VMS mail). Help !E (We can send mail the other way from Vax to Exchange and into the bigo world.)  Regards, Dawn    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:20:16 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 4 Subject: Re: e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail) Message-ID: <39ACFC00.BC9BCCFE@gtech.com>a   dawnmoreton@my-deja.com wrote:F > Hi can anybody help me, we have a requirement to forward Exchange e-< > mail onto our vax's either via SMTP or FTP(into VMS mail). > Help !G > (We can send mail the other way from Vax to Exchange and into the big 	 > world.)    What is the problem ?l  B If you configure the VMS system to receive incoming SMTP email and= you setup an Exchange account to forward to an address on then; VMS box (just like any other forward), then it should work.i   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:01:20 GMTG From: pmart63@my-deja.comn3 Subject: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list-) Message-ID: <8oiphp$v93$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n  C I want to forward VMS mail messages to a distribution list (runninguC OpenVMS(Alpha) V7.2-1) for a specific user and I've forgotten. I've F created a distribution list i.e. TEST.DIS then do a a MAIL>SET FORWARDB """@directory-name:DSD.dis""". Attempts to send mail result in the= following error - %MAIL-E-USERSPEC invalid user specification B '@DSD.DIS'. The file format looks OK. Any ideas as I've completely forgotten ?-   PM.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.u   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:27:55 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution listh. Message-ID: <8oir3r$olq$5@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <8oiphp$v93$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, pmart63@my-deja.com writes:l  D >I want to forward VMS mail messages to a distribution list (runningD >OpenVMS(Alpha) V7.2-1) for a specific user and I've forgotten. I'veG >created a distribution list i.e. TEST.DIS then do a a MAIL>SET FORWARDeC >"""@directory-name:DSD.dis""". Attempts to send mail result in thes> >following error - %MAIL-E-USERSPEC invalid user specificationC >'@DSD.DIS'. The file format looks OK. Any ideas as I've completely  >forgotten ?  6 You cannot do this directly with vanilla TCPIP on VMS.  2 You can do it in a self-resubmitting batch job....   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:18:46 +0200$= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution listo) Message-ID: <39ACFBA6.E9389DFE@gtech.com>h   pmart63@my-deja.com wrote:E > I want to forward VMS mail messages to a distribution list (runningtE > OpenVMS(Alpha) V7.2-1) for a specific user and I've forgotten. I've H > created a distribution list i.e. TEST.DIS then do a a MAIL>SET FORWARDD > """@directory-name:DSD.dis""". Attempts to send mail result in the? > following error - %MAIL-E-USERSPEC invalid user specification-D > '@DSD.DIS'. The file format looks OK. Any ideas as I've completely
 > forgotten ?    This is not possible.e  ( Use an addon package like f.ex. DELIVER.   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:16:54 GMTl From: pmart63@my-deja.comm7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list-) Message-ID: <8oj8gf$h91$1@nnrp1.deja.com>0   Thanks Arne,H      I must have got it mixed up with mail using distribution lists (notF forwarding). What's that F. EX deliver you mention - has it's provider (who is it??) got a web site?,   PM.o    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:37:04 -0700t+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> 7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution listn( Message-ID: <39AD2A20.F8AC38A8@mmaz.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:   > pmart63@my-deja.com wrote:F > > I want to forward VMS mail messages to a distribution list (runni= ngF > > OpenVMS(Alpha) V7.2-1) for a specific user and I've forgotten. I'= veF > > created a distribution list i.e. TEST.DIS then do a a MAIL>SET FO= RWARDbF > > """@directory-name:DSD.dis""". Attempts to send mail result in th= e1A > > following error - %MAIL-E-USERSPEC invalid user specificationuF > > '@DSD.DIS'. The file format looks OK. Any ideas as I've completel= yd > > forgotten ?o >a > This is not possible.  >a  F What is sad about this is that it is very 'do-able' in Un*x using ali= asesF and SMTP.  VMS can to an extent handle lists, why they drop the ball = and 7 didn't allow it on forwarding is really the question...o   Barrym   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOa  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:56:26 -0400u2 From: "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com>, Subject: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS9 Message-ID: <9G5r5.321236$t91.3431783@news4.giganews.com>a   If you want to promote advertising of OpenVMS, write a ! letter on your Company Letterhead2 to the people who make the descisions at Compaq.  Keepe( it professional and keep it to one page.  # Include "personal and confidential"c about three lines down from the  address  1)Paper is good. 2)email gets deleted.t 3)Company letterheads impress.	    - Bill   % The director of OpenVMS Marketing is:w   Compaq Computer Corporation  Mary Ellen Fortier 110 Spit Brook Roada
 ZKO3-4/W24 Nashua, NH 03062  ! The Vice President of OpenVMS is:w   Compaq Computer Corporationd Richard Marcello 110 Spit Brook Roadt
 ZKO3-4/W24 Nashua, NH 03062   The President of Compaq is:s   Compaq Computer Corporationt Michael Capellas 20555 State Highway 249o MS110802 Houston, Texas 77070   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 15:31:01 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS, Message-ID: <8oj9bl$392@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  n In article <9G5r5.321236$t91.3431783@news4.giganews.com>, "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> writes: >If you want to promotee  >advertising of OpenVMS, write a" >letter on your Company Letterhead >to the people who make the  >descisions at Compaq.  Keep) >it professional and keep it to one page.  >a <SNIP> >2)email gets deleted.  " >The Vice President of OpenVMS is: >= >Compaq Computer Corporation >Richard Marcelloc >110 Spit Brook Road >ZKO3-4/W24v >Nashua, NH 03062   I The implication was that email to R.M. doesn't get read - but I know that K it does.  At least it does if it isn't part of a mass mailing of some sort.e   >The President of Compaq is: >w >Compaq Computer Corporation >Michael Capellase >20555 State Highway 249	 >MS110802  >Houston, Texas 77070t  ; Email to M.C. about OpenVMS is typically redirected to R.M.t   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edud? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech u   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:06:41 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)o! Subject: Re: Google full of beansa+ Message-ID: <uLiXkwl4dTwS@eisner.decus.org>s  X In article <w6zv0pkcClSY@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:? > 	The Intel Google e-Business link states "200 million pages".a< > 	Google (by necessity) supports stop words, so "the" "and"A > 	"of" etc. aren't indexed so exact phrase matches don't cut it. D > 	nitpicking?  Perhaps... but the 200 million is baloney.  A simple7 > 	search for "dog" on Google (all languages) and other  > 	search servcies:  >  > 		Service			Results  >  > 		Google			389000- > 		Northern Light		31460270 > 		AltaVista		3344440  J Another classic example: search for the famous quote "to be or not to be".K AltaVista reports 22K hits. Northern light reporst 49K hits. Google ignoresdE the words TO and BE, does not support the operator OR, and returns 57 - MILLION references to the single word NOT :-(a  4 My wife who teaches Shakespeare woud not be pleased    	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:27:43 +0010d% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aui; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDo5 Message-ID: <01JTLC7DPRPU003LVR@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Bill Hobbs wrote:e   ><snip>e >f >> ... But you don't care.A >> You have no interest in what I need, or what I'm trying to do.f >>@ >> And you certainly have no interest in helping me, regardless. > ! >Bingo!!  We *may* have a winner!  >nD >You've asked, you've pleaded, you've whined, you've been insulting. >uN >The folk here who have what you want have said no, No, NO, and HELL NO!  What# >part of "no" don't you understand?- >-K >I think it's time for you to quit before you irritate someone who can makea >your life difficult.: >r ><snip>n >a= >> You know what, I'm sick you of and your uptight, stuck-up,j' >> snobbish, holier-than-thou attitude.j >o3 >Since you're sick of us, you'll be leaving, right?i >i ><snip>f >rE >Fellow c.o.ver's, the signal to noise ratio is in imminent danger of ! >increasing - prepare yourselves!o  9 A reply to Dan <Beyonder>.  [Mark Tarka re-incarnated???]n  ( The title is apt --- "Here we go again".  Q Many of the people in this newsgroup have been involved with VMS for many years.  N Several have tried to help you -- notably VAXman comes to mind. As Bill said, % the noise level is getting very high.d  F Try contacting some of the people who look to be "friendly" privately.  M What you are now doing is generically slanging comp.os.vms and you will lose aI many friends this way.  As a seeming novice, you will no doubt have many gK questions to ask; you will get fewer answers with the attitude you are now sL putting over.  Possibly your name will be put in the kill-files of many who  could have helped you.  O You sound youngish -- the world is against you, right?  You can't get your way  P so you yell at the world.  Once you mature (yeah, I know you are mature, so was P I at your age :-( ), you will find that life can be equally bleak for all of us 	 at times.   O VMS is dying/unsupported is oft a thread.  Yes, we are all ranting and pulling ,Q our hair out.  It probably won't get us anywhere (it should last till I retire), uN and neither will your rantings about the listing CD.  People have given their O opinions about what they believe to be legal.  Accept their opinions and don't d/ give shit to the entire comp.os.vms community. -  ) How about we leave this very noisy issue.r  P [I have to justify why I have this access, and this crap does not help.  Yes, I N am ego-centric here, and I don't want to lose the good advice I get for free.]   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:25:40 +0100 (GDT)n) From: Andy Harper <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk>f! Subject: Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?y1 Message-ID: <SIMEON.10008301240.W@odin.kcl.ac.uk>a  H On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:42:40 -0400 David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  wrote:   > Andy Harper wrote: > > K > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:09:50 -0400 David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 
 > > wrote: > >  : : : :eP > > > This hearing about problems caused by the decisions of network people justP > > > astonishes me.  When did I sleep through the announcement that the networkQ > > > people were allocated rule of the entire planet?  Last time I knew anythingfU > > > about it, they were there to provide a service, not dictate how the rest of theg > > > company would be run.n > > J > >   I think that's a little unfair.  Network people (and I am NOT one atK > > present, though I have been) have to strike a balance between all kindsDK > > of things - performance, security, facilities etc. ANy one of these not*G > > set up to the user's/managements satisfaction results in them beingf > > blamed.t > > K > >   My personal stance is that (a) management decide what facilities theysK > > want (b) network people decide the best way to implement them (c) usersuK > > who want additional facilities need to persuade management of the need.o > O > I'm not buying it.  At least from the perspective of many of the complaints I R > see, which are usually an existing capability, currently in use, being denied inP > the future.  So either the mnanagement decided they didn't need the capabilityQ > any more, but neglected to provide for an alternative for the affected EXISTINGeL > systems, or the network people themselves withdraw the capability, withoutF > regard for the affected systems.  Pretty poor SERVICE in my opinion.  A   If that's true then YES, I would agree. But it would depend on hD   circumstances. For example, a massive virus attack would probably C   warrant instant withdrawal of a service until it can be fixed to aG   avoid the virus spreading. How far you go in withdrawing services is rE   a complex issue, based on importance of the service, importance of n.   the perceived problem and many other issues.  G   Clearly any change in service is difficult for users and needs to be tE   though through carefully. One would hope that management, networks sE   and systems people would consult on major changes but the networks  B   and systems people do need some day to day freedom to deal with @   unexpected glitches without getting bogged down in bureacracy.  A   Clearly some changes will have implications on security, cost, dG   performance, user perception  etc. and these must be thought through a?   before the changes are made. I wouldn't expect management to vF   necessarily understand the performance or security issues nor would E   they necessarily expect network people to understand cost or other a   political/commercial issues.  G   If there are issues with network people blocking progress, then they  A   ought to be jumped upon by management. If it's the management  nE   themselves on the other hand, then you have an insoluble problem...    ---------------------- Andy Harperd   Systems and Mail Manager Kings College London   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:48:41 +0200f? From: "DECHAIZE Thierry (Dir INFRA)" <thierry.dechaize@sncf.fr>h$ Subject: RE: INTERnet ACP AUXS error@ Message-ID: <21EC2A9D83EED311A3EB0008C733892B07F6EE@S70ERTBIA11>   >	Lonny Balderston wrote :  9 >Greetings! Can anyone tell me how to resolve this error:  >r9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-AUG-2000 09:07:53.09  %%%%%%%%%%%0% >Message from user INTERnet on ALPHA1n: >INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status =3D = %CLI-E-NOCMDPROC >e > =09c  = 	Check protections of SYLOGIN.COM file (absolutly with W:RE).m   -----Message d'origine-----a. De: Lonny Balderston [mailto:lbalders@gte.net]  Date: mardi 29 ao=FBt 2000 19:59 =C0: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Objet: INTERnet ACP AUXS error    8 Greetings! Can anyone tell me how to resolve this error:  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-AUG-2000 09:07:53.09  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on ALPHA19 INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status =3D =l %CLI-E-NOCMDPROC    
 Thank you,   Lonny Balderston lbalders at gte dot net-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:58:00 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger), Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3008000158000001@user-2ive7j6.dialup.mindspring.com>  r In article <LdRq5.55591$_s1.651572@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  M > Yep. Fastest CPUs Compaq has in-house in any quantity right now are 1044MHzoK > EV68 bins from IBM. Said chips have been tested up to >1200MHz or so. You)F > can expect the 1044MHz parts to materialize in a 1CQ-2CQ01 GS-Series0 > upgrade; 1250MHz chips will be somewhat later.  B Any idea why it should take so many months to start shipping theseC parts?  Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might be G nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallingeO their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice ad opportunities.   ; Must the Q squander every advantage their engineers create?a  3 Besides, I want one of these chips in a VMS laptop.    -- l Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:00:02 GMTv& From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig), Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?1 Message-ID: <39accbd1.175308680@news.newsguy.com>e  E On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:58:00 -0400, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert  Deininger) wrote:r  s >In article <LdRq5.55591$_s1.651572@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:e >vN >> Yep. Fastest CPUs Compaq has in-house in any quantity right now are 1044MHzL >> EV68 bins from IBM. Said chips have been tested up to >1200MHz or so. YouG >> can expect the 1044MHz parts to materialize in a 1CQ-2CQ01 GS-Seriesu1 >> upgrade; 1250MHz chips will be somewhat later.e >lC >Any idea why it should take so many months to start shipping these D >parts?  Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might beH >nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallingP >their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice ad opportunities. >s< >Must the Q squander every advantage their engineers create?  D I have heard  that the problem is not so much getting the CPU to runA at that speed but getting the rest of the cpu-clocked hardware toiC operate reliably this fast. Don't know how accurate this is though.e    4 >Besides, I want one of these chips in a VMS laptop. >r >--  >Robert Deiningerv >rdeininger@mindspring.com   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:39:28 +0100e/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>b, Subject: re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?6 Message-ID: <009EF607.CD464E65.9@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   > t > In article <LdRq5.55591$_s1.651572@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > O > > Yep. Fastest CPUs Compaq has in-house in any quantity right now are 1044MHzfM > > EV68 bins from IBM. Said chips have been tested up to >1200MHz or so. You1H > > can expect the 1044MHz parts to materialize in a 1CQ-2CQ01 GS-Series2 > > upgrade; 1250MHz chips will be somewhat later. > D > Any idea why it should take so many months to start shipping theseE > parts?  Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might beeI > nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallingaQ > their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice ad opportunities.t  M I would guess that Compaq maintains the first-rate engineering practices that:K Digital used to. They aren't going to ship until it's been properly tested. H That means *properly* tested, in the exact hardware configurations that F they are going to sell. It means thermally stressing the system to theG specified limits, and a bit more. Running pathological loads of various)J sorts. And probably field-testing an advance system with a select customer or two. Takes a few months.   D There may also be support chips or circuit cards or even cooling fan changes that aren't ready yet.  G Intel's recent recall of the 1.13GHz P3s shows what the alternative is.iH To say nothing of the numerous systems integration problems that crop upD with PCs, where particular processor/motherboard/memory combinationsH fail to work reliably although in theory they should. For domestic gamesM consoles this may be acceptable, for office desktops the risk of this arisinglG may be acceptable when you trust the supplier to fix such problems, butmD for a corporate datacenter 24x365 server it simply must not happen!  > = > Must the Q squander every advantage their engineers create?   H Well, I'd certainly wish that they blew their trumpet a bit more loudly!J After all, I think this makes the Alpha the world's fastest microprocessorJ again (even by MHz, let alone SPECs).  However, the best way to trash yourJ name as a supplier of datacenter systems would surely be to ship something unreliable!. > 5 > Besides, I want one of these chips in a VMS laptop.:  O I think heat-sinking it might lead to a rather warm lap. A more realistic wish pH would be for a really fast alpha desktop at a really keen price, so thatL Alpha can take the Linux fight to AMD and Intel. Unless yields of fast EV68sH are at present low, wouldn't it be a good idea to rush out a really fast@ Alphastation, which would (?) be less of an engineering mountain than a new GS config?    	Yours,o
 		Nigel Arnota- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:51:28 GMTn4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?= Message-ID: <Aj8r5.15752$pu4.1131703@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>o  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message4F news:rdeininger-3008000158000001@user-2ive7j6.dialup.mindspring.com...H > In article <LdRq5.55591$_s1.651572@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.+ Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:v >iG > > Yep. Fastest CPUs Compaq has in-house in any quantity right now are  1044MHznI > > EV68 bins from IBM. Said chips have been tested up to >1200MHz or so.e You2H > > can expect the 1044MHz parts to materialize in a 1CQ-2CQ01 GS-Series2 > > upgrade; 1250MHz chips will be somewhat later. >fD > Any idea why it should take so many months to start shipping these > parts?  H I am told that volume deliveries will not begin until the High Holidays.G Then of course there's the matter of system qualification, etc. I'm notr? sure, but the low-end and midrange Alpha boxes may require someiA modifications to their core logic chipsets, etc, to support ~1GHzrI processors. Looking back over the past several years, a lag time of threed@ months or so between volume chip availability and initial system availability is to be expected.1  = > Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might beaI > nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallingtB > their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice ad opportunities.  L If MHz was a be-all and end-all, having the fastest clock speed would indeedJ be a Good Thing. Note that Intel is responsible for creating and fosteringL the perception that MHz Matter Most; a misperception that just may come back& to haunt them when IA64 finally ships.  L Methinks it's better to offer a processor that delivers mo' performance thanJ mo' MHz. HP would concur; PA-RISC may not be winning the MHz derby but theK architecture is no slouch when it comes to getting one's job done. The same ) can be said for IBM'S POWER architecture.   J And one might argue that Intel's latest processor gaffe is a direct resultL of the firm's effort to maintain MHz bragging rights. Might it not have beenH more prudent to delay availability of the chip until all the errata were
 exorcised?   >u= > Must the Q squander every advantage their engineers create?r >r5 > Besides, I want one of these chips in a VMS laptop.x  J The laptop would have to be at least three inches thick to accommodate the% heat sink for the chip in question...-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:23:40 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) , Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?0 Message-ID: <009EF605.9840EB86@SendSpamHere.ORG>  t In article <Aj8r5.15752$pu4.1131703@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >p@ >"Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageG >news:rdeininger-3008000158000001@user-2ive7j6.dialup.mindspring.com...0I >> In article <LdRq5.55591$_s1.651572@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.s, >Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >>H >> > Yep. Fastest CPUs Compaq has in-house in any quantity right now are >1044MHzJ >> > EV68 bins from IBM. Said chips have been tested up to >1200MHz or so. >YouI >> > can expect the 1044MHz parts to materialize in a 1CQ-2CQ01 GS-Seriesg3 >> > upgrade; 1250MHz chips will be somewhat later.r >>E >> Any idea why it should take so many months to start shipping these 	 >> parts?  >cI >I am told that volume deliveries will not begin until the High Holidays.hH >Then of course there's the matter of system qualification, etc. I'm not@ >sure, but the low-end and midrange Alpha boxes may require someB >modifications to their core logic chipsets, etc, to support ~1GHzJ >processors. Looking back over the past several years, a lag time of threeA >months or so between volume chip availability and initial system   >availability is to be expected. >d> >> Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might beJ >> nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallingC >> their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice adn >opportunities.  >eM >If MHz was a be-all and end-all, having the fastest clock speed would indeed K >be a Good Thing. Note that Intel is responsible for creating and fosteringiM >the perception that MHz Matter Most; a misperception that just may come backo' >to haunt them when IA64 finally ships.   M MHz is like engine RPM.  It means very little unless you know that the enginesM is doing each revolution.  I'd rather base *my* performance judgements on BHPoL and lb/ft of torque than on how fast it spins.  Same with MHz.  It's akin toL arguing that some ratio station at 107.1 MHz on the FM dial has better music9 than some other at 88.1 MHz by virtue of their frequency.g   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:35:22 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.come, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?C Message-ID: <OFDBC21934.3B8344AB-ON8825694B.006063D7@HEALTHNET.COM>w  H An observation: Those PIII 1.13Ghz chips are being recalled because theyI had been released before they were ready. The PIII 1Ghz chips before themyH were a laughing stock because they were announced as available on paper,J but nobody could get them for months. Maybe Compaq are being a little more	 sensible?y   Shane?          F rdeininger@MINDSPRING.COM (Robert Deininger) on 08/29/2000 10:58:00 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt cc:   - Subject:  Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?     F In article <LdRq5.55591$_s1.651572@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.+ Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   E > Yep. Fastest CPUs Compaq has in-house in any quantity right now aree 1044MHz K > EV68 bins from IBM. Said chips have been tested up to >1200MHz or so. YoupF > can expect the 1044MHz parts to materialize in a 1CQ-2CQ01 GS-Series0 > upgrade; 1250MHz chips will be somewhat later.  B Any idea why it should take so many months to start shipping theseC parts?  Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might bemG nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallinge@ their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice ad opportunities.  ; Must the Q squander every advantage their engineers create?f  3 Besides, I want one of these chips in a VMS laptop.O   -- Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:53:51 +0200H1 From: Hartmut Woehrle <hartmut.woehrle@unibas.ch>0. Subject: Re: Linux and Open VMS on Alpha XL266) Message-ID: <39ACD9AF.DA2D7C74@unibas.ch>g   George Cornelius wrote:h  @ > So, with regard to the original poster's question, no, OpenVMSE > will not run on an XL 233 or 266, but Linux can be made to work andoF > there may even be some distributions (Debian? SuSE?) for which these) > machines are listed as being supported.   R I'm running a SuSE Linux 6.3 for Alpha on my XL266. works fine, the maschine is my' scanning maschine in the local network.d     >O >n > --: > George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org2 >                               cornelius@mayo.edu  
 CU Hartmut   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:49:30 -0400t2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)9 Subject: Re: Low-level interface to AlpSta parallel port?iL Message-ID: <rdeininger-3008000149300001@user-2ive7j6.dialup.mindspring.com>  e In article <39AC1378.41490250@clarityconnect.com>, "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote:    > See SYS$EXAMPLES:LRDRIVER.Cs >  > sms@antinode.org wrote:t > > J > >    When I get some (currently non-copious) free time, I'd like to playL > > around with a low-level, bit-twiddling interface to the parallel port onA > > my AlpSta 200 4/233, in the hopes of controlling some simple,  > > non-printer hardware.  > > K > >    A quick look at the I/O documentation suggested nothing.  LRA0 looksaG > > very printer-like.  Is there a QIO path through the LR driver whichtH > > would do this?  Actual answers or pointers to documentation would be > > welcome.  D In addition to the example above, you might want to obtain the book,J "Writing OpenVMS Alpha Device Drivers in C", available from Digital Press.  G LRDRIVER.C is included as an example.  This book is the bible for alphanE device driver development.  If LRDRIVER doesn't do what you want, youhF could start with the example source and add whatever functionality youI need, based on the info in the book.  You might need to find the detailed G hardware reference for your particular machine, as well.  In short, thee= parallel port looks like a fairly easy device to fiddle with.t   -- w Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:10:59 -0500 (CDT)r From: sms@antinode.org9 Subject: Re: Low-level interface to AlpSta parallel port?h) Message-ID: <00083010105918@antinode.org>'   > See SYS$EXAMPLES:LRDRIVER.Cs  H > If LRDRIVER doesn't do what you want, you could start with the example7 > source and add whatever functionality you need, [...]a  H    My plan exactly.  Thanks to both for the pointers.  I may decide thatC adding a latch or two in hardware may be easier than creating a newm2 driver.  More thought required.  I just hate that.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)-C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work):9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)A   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:14:46 GMT0 From: FAZEKAS Mihaly <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu> Subject: Multinet TCP/IP, Message-ID: <8oj1c6$pk1$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>  2 Where can i download the Multinet TCP/IP packages? (Ex.: 30 day trial,....)   --    mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu Phone: 463-1966k   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:35:08 -0300o1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>@ Subject: RE: Multinet TCP/IPK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE9CA@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>    Try WWW.PROCESS.COMe   > ----------7 > From: 	FAZEKAS Mihaly[SMTP:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu]:, > Sent: 	Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:14 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	Multinet TCP/IPa > 4 > Where can i download the Multinet TCP/IP packages? > (Ex.: 30 day trial,....) >  > -- -" > mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu > Phone: 463-1966: >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and0J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they:L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying1 of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaaF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:49:44 +0100 & From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com>= Subject: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?n* Message-ID: <39AD10F8.8C156763@compaq.com>  H As many will be aware, the Swedish company OM has recently been involved  0 in a takeover bid for the London Stock Exchange.  < Anyone have any inside information whether OM is using VMS ?G (I get a certain "feeling" from their web-site that VMS is indeed there. ...)  	 Roy OmondA Blue Bubble Ltd., (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:38:38 -030001 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>eA Subject: RE: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?nK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE9D1@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>a  ( I will not back this up, but, Yes it is.   > ----------- > From: 	Roy Omond[SMTP:Roy.Omond@COMPAQ.COM]e, > Sent: 	Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:49 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com@ > Subject: 	OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ? > J > As many will be aware, the Swedish company OM has recently been involved > 2 > in a takeover bid for the London Stock Exchange. > > > Anyone have any inside information whether OM is using VMS ?I > (I get a certain "feeling" from their web-site that VMS is indeed there  > ...) >  > Roy Omonda > Blue Bubble Ltd.. > (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq) >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andiJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyeL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudauF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:30:17 +0200t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>fA Subject: Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?z) Message-ID: <39AD1A79.457E1ED8@gtech.com>r   Roy Omond wrote:J > As many will be aware, the Swedish company OM has recently been involved2 > in a takeover bid for the London Stock Exchange. > > > Anyone have any inside information whether OM is using VMS ?I > (I get a certain "feeling" from their web-site that VMS is indeed there  > ...)  D They are hiring C++/NT/Unix/Sybase/Oracle/Java/CORBA/MFC/COM people.  $ It does not sound very VMSish to me.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:02:18 -0700d5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> A Subject: Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?g9 Message-ID: <0304c290.2d89f055@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com>s   Hi,g  8 I believe OM Gruppen to be the same OM Technology people; who set up the new International Securities Exchange (ISE).e& (Unless OM is Swedish for Smith/Jones)  ; According to the press reports (and Compaqs VMS success webr, page stories) they do a great deal with VMS.   Regards Richard Maher.     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifulh   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:19:13 -0500 (EST)l1 From: "Robert J. Slover" <slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu>g* Subject: RE: OpenVMS Marketing, PartneringW Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000830075840.31069E-100000@rocinante.admin.rose-hulman.edu>o   Rich,   B Thanks for the response.  It won't help.  I didn't intend to start@ a whole thread or anything, I just wanted the other guy to count his blessings.  B I completely understand the VP's decision.  All of our VMS talent,> with the exception of my former director and myself, are gone.@ That includes students.  We've got 16 machines sitting in there,@ no longer doing everything, and if I get hit by a beer truck on A the way home he's in a world of hurt.  He can have that albatross,A tied 'round his neck until the end of the year, or until our CSLGgB expires sometime next June.  He's going for the shorter timeframe.? I don't blame him.  I'd like to see a VMS cluster still sittingt@ here for students to 'play' with, but truth is good people will ( pick it up in the field if they need to.  ? I'm working ridiculous hours...I can take care of anything fromoA PC's to unix machines, to our Oracle instances, to Macs, routers, @ whatever.  We've lost a lot of good people lately.  The industry= is starving for people...that will make it harder to get goode@ people back.  His intention is to reduce the scope of the talent0 necessary to run this place.  I understand that.  @ VMS's biggest hope to recruite new talent is cheap machines and @ cheap licenses.  Particularly clustering licenses.  Hope seriousA web sites catch on.  Let people like me be able to write packagedrB systems to handle cashiering and the like, and get them into small@ stores and gas stations and the like...I can't count the number B of times I've had to wait for my credit card to clear at the localA gas station because they have to reboot the bloody NT box runningH the registers...  ? I still love VMS and still intend to do some work for it.  I've < got a little DEC3000 at home running hobbyist stuff.  I have@ WindowMaker almost ported (still some problems) and still intend$ to port GNUstep whenever I get time.  < Anyway, thanks.  I do appreciate it.  I'm CC'ing to the listA since I want people to know you're listening.  There's still somer doubt here about that.   --Robert  3 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Marcello, Richard (ZKO) wrote:r  N > I'm happy to speak with your VP about the future of VMS if you think it will > help.p >  > Let me know. > Rich >  > -----Original Message-----. > From: David Dachtera [mailto:djesys@fsi.net]( > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 8:57 PM > To: Marcello, Richard (ZKO)d, > Subject: RE: OpenVMS Marketing, Partnering >  >  > Hello, Richard,i > M > Found this in the comp.os.vms newsgroup this evening. Sounds like a job forGH > the "Endangered Accounts" team. Then again, *EVERY* OpenVMS account is > endangered these days... >  >      Subject: J >              Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? >         Date: 4 >              Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:57:39 -0500 (EST) >        From: t: >              "Robert J. Slover" <slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu> >  Organization: t. >              Info-Vax<==>Comp.Os.Vms Gateway >  Newsgroups: H >              comp.os.vms > B > Count yourself lucky that you even have a chance, however small.A > I've been told I've got to find a way to be rid of both our VMSO; > clusters (VAX and Alpha) by the end of December.  New VP.  > B > I come to work now sick to my stomach.  My cluster uptime is 232C > days...since we took things down in January when they put a new 3aB > phase power feed into the building.  Don't know how long we were3 > up prior to that.  Nothing else here comes close.a > 
 > --Robert >  > David J. Dachterac > dba DJE Systemsp > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/- >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:46:37 +0100m/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> * Subject: Re: OT: 1.3GHz Pentium III Faulty7 Message-ID: <009EF600.6AFBE9BA.13@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>n  ? That subject header is a typo, should be 1.13GHz as in the bodyC of the original post.n   The real scoop is Tom Pabst's 6 http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q3/000801/index.html  > and that Intel was  alerted to the problem by Tom (and others)G some weeks earlier. This was ignored, meaning that they now have a much>1 bigger recall and PR problem than was necessary.    D Coming hard on the heels of the Rambus/i820 fiascos, and the ItaniumF slippages and slownesses, it looks ever more as if there is something F seriously not well with Intel. How could their own testing and QA have not picked this up?C   	Yours,e
 		Nigel Arnote- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   >  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."n   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:24:17 +0000 (   )t3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>r? Subject: OT: Spam, spam, spam, spam (Was: Six Figure Income !!)dJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10008301622330.22191-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ( On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  < >      Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* what >      is or is not spam!e  0 >      Is the term "ignorant spammer" redundant?  H Well -- probably.  I'm certain that "intelligent spammer" is an oxymoron  the class of "microsoft excell."   Regards,   Chriso  O ===============================================================================i@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmero Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.o% -------------------------------------eI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 cO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:01:50 +0100t  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com/ Subject: Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100tH Message-ID: <OF985F2A78.7FB6DB3F-ON8025694B.0036C584@qedi.quintiles.com>   Carl,u  I I think the correct phrase for what is described is perhaps "sub-optimal"- rather than "problem".  K I had a generic DLT III tape drive that would work if you connected it oncenK the power was on but would not permit the AlphaServer 1000A to which it wasAG connected to boot if it was connected at boot-time (it was a problem ofeK SCSI bus length).  Having the drive connected worked (if the machine wasn't ! rebooted) but it was sub-optimal.   7 Needless to say, it's not configured that way any more.o   Steve.  D Carl Perkins (carl at qerql1 at qerq dot tamu dot edu) wrote/quoted:> >>>"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes...H }Um, I'd try to get your system disk OFF of SCSI Id. 7, especially sinceI }the SCSI controller itself is Id. 6. Having the disk at a higher Id than5G }the controller may be a problem, from the little I know of SCSI. I maye }be wrong about that, though.U }--p }David J. Dachtera  E I've been running a VAXstation 3100m48 with the system disk on DKB700v4 for something over 10 years. It is not a problem.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:49:27 -0400M# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>n/ Subject: Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100 + Message-ID: <39AD10E7.6F5354D2@hsc.vcu.edu>e  l hhmm.. we have a exabyte 8500 that just a few weeks started that... how did you all resolve that problem????   jim, the curious  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:e >  > Carl,o > K > I think the correct phrase for what is described is perhaps "sub-optimal"i > rather than "problem". > M > I had a generic DLT III tape drive that would work if you connected it once-M > the power was on but would not permit the AlphaServer 1000A to which it wasuI > connected to boot if it was connected at boot-time (it was a problem ofAM > SCSI bus length).  Having the drive connected worked (if the machine wasn'te# > rebooted) but it was sub-optimal.a > 9 > Needless to say, it's not configured that way any more.r >  > Steve. > F > Carl Perkins (carl at qerql1 at qerq dot tamu dot edu) wrote/quoted:@ > >>>"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes...J > }Um, I'd try to get your system disk OFF of SCSI Id. 7, especially sinceK > }the SCSI controller itself is Id. 6. Having the disk at a higher Id thanrI > }the controller may be a problem, from the little I know of SCSI. I may  > }be wrong about that, though.U > }--t > }David J. Dachtera > G > I've been running a VAXstation 3100m48 with the system disk on DKB700s6 > for something over 10 years. It is not a problem.<<<   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:52:37 GMT1- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>c/ Subject: Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100D( Message-ID: <39AD1FB0.6A64F441@ohio.edu>  N Others have identified this as a serial port problem.  Perhaps you are gettingH to the point in the boot where it executes commands that set serial portL parameters such as speed, and then the port is putting data on the wire that0 the terminal is not able to interpret correctly.                   RDPr     Roger Woodward wrote:    > hi,kG > ive got a microvax 3100, but no documentation on decoding problems onp	 > bootup.. >sM > The machine siezed up with hyroglyphical chars streaming on one line on theeM > terminal and no input seemingly possible either via the keyboard or accrossaM > a network connection. Having let it cool down completely I switched it backr > on and...a >l > On boot I get the following: >R
 > KA41-0 V1.0a >n0 > F_..E...D...C...  and so on to ...3...2_..1... >d > ? C 0080 0000.4001 >D
 > 83 BOOT SYSo
 > -DKB700- > $ > then some standard boot info until > C > The VAX/VMS system is now executing the system startup procedure.oI > SYSGEN-W-OPENIN error opening STS$COMMON.[SYSEXE]ZSDRIVER.EXE as input.c >rL > Then further display is in hyroglyphics (u umlauts, backwards ?, A umlauts > etc) and nothing resonds.  >eH > If I reboot straight away I dont get any output to the terminal at allN > though I can hear the disk presumably going through various checks until all  > goes (relatively) quiet again.N > Any guesses as to the problem and if so whether it might be fixable, and areJ > there any good resources on the web that can give good pointers in these > sorts of situations. >a > Thanks for any pointers. >o > Cheers > Roger    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:35:35 +0200h% From: David Romero <romerod@gedas.es>8# Subject: Re: printer queue problems5( Message-ID: <39ACB947.7ADC23ED@gedas.es>   >o >:E > I don't think you can use the IP address of the printer, it must be-G > specified as a node name. From this page (URL folded into two lines):i >y5 >   http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/72final/6526/ % >   6526profile_028.html#lprsetup_sece' >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS  >/' >  "rm for the name of the remote host"  > ? > If specifying the node name works, please post a followup, so-A > someone can get the documentation corrected to explicitly statem- > that specifying an IP address doesn't work.  >j1 > --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.netD= >                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidR4 >                  (my opinions are strictly my own)  F I don't know if the IP-address works in a AlphaServer because my AlphaB doesn't print correctly (this isn't the problem I have), but I can8 confirm that you can use the node name or the IP-address< indiscriminately in a VAX. I have 5 Vax working in this way.   David.   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 07:02:20 GMT* From: jmfbahciv@aol.com*" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8oimai$pna$2@bob.news.rcn.net>i  ( In article <8odvbd$4le$1@pyrite.mv.net>,+    "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:y >rJ ><jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message news:8odsdb$em$1@bob.news.rcn.net...+ >> In article <8o9oc0$ql2$1@pyrite.mv.net>,p. >>    "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote: >e >....e >i	 >> >  And = >> >characterizing the new people as 'bad' seems excessive:  o >> >they just didn't: >> >discard their baggage at the door and nobody relieved  >> >them of it and made*? >> >sure they were re-outfited - but that was never that formala >> >a process at DEC4 >> >anyway, it just sort of happened, up until then. >>@ >> I'm not sure that process could have been formalized.  People= >> who are used to being "the boss" and not a leader can't be,= >> changed.  And a successful supervisor, in our area anyway,o: >> realized that he was working for us rather than us were >> working for him.h >O >You were lucky; so was I. r  B I'm not sure that it was luck.  If the supervisor wasn't "trained"? within a year and a half, he usually left.  The guys simply didf; not have time for the kind of bullshit that an incompetent u@ supervisor could strew.  And, if the guys didn't work, we didn't: ship software; if we didn't ship software, we didn't sell < hardware; if we didn't sell hardware, DEC didn't make money.; It was a very simple formula that was the most difficult tob7 get across to those incompetents.  This also applied too programmers.    . > My first supervisor at DEC (Joe Carchidi - a9 >Honeywell import, no less!) had that attitude as well.  o >It seemed to becomeJ >rarer and rarer as time went on and one looked higher in the bureaucracy.  @ I think this is true everywhere.  For some reason that I haven't@ figured out..yet..., the supervisors who really were good didn't; seem to survive corporate promotion past a certain point ofa; the ladder.  It's an illness of society, I think, where thel> most productive aren't allowed to produce.  Maybe it's because6 we spend our effort and time on production rather than	 politics.*   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 07:04:35 GMTs From: jmfbahciv@aol.como" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8oimep$pna$3@bob.news.rcn.net>e  2 In article <8oedes$1tv6$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>,,    peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:G >In article <8odsdb$em$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:i= >>I don't remember the year.  I'll try to remember what I wasg; >>doing when that piece of rumor went around my head.  I do*; >>remember most of us being flabberghasted by the sentiment-= >>since we all had terminals at home and used them.  And thenr< >>we began to dream..having a -10 in the house...jeez...what5 >>JMF couldn't have done with that on his off time.    > : >Hell, my first exposure to computers was almost a decade  >earlier than that, 4 >and I knew right then what I wanted to do with one. >n6 >If a 12 year old could figure it out, but the CEO of , >a company that *made* computers couldn't... >h4 My point is that these guys didn't use computers the8 way you and I did.  They were purely hardware people and5 didn't, or couldn't, appreciate the importance of theM5 marriage of software and hardware.  This dismissal ofe9 software being an integral part of computing is currently0' my hypothesis of why DEC fucked itself.j   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 07:09:52 GMTd From: jmfbahciv@aol.coma" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8oimom$pna$4@bob.news.rcn.net>   = In article <j8Eq5.14325$pu4.1049822@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, /    Ric Werme <werme@nospam.mediaone.net> wrote:e >jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: > H >>>> I believe the quote was something to the effect "Nobody will _ever_G >>>> possibly want a computer at home.  What would they do with it?"  IcI >>>> also believe this was when he was asked about the fledgling hobbyist  >>>> market (Imsai, etc.). >- >....- >-6 >>>I *still* don't recall exactly when Olsen made the  >>>infamous statement (let5 >>>alone its exact wording).  If he said it any time i >>>after the IBM PC hit theP6 >>>market, then I'll retract my above defense of him;  >>>if he said it any time B >>>before 1979, then I'll stand by every word of it (and if it wasK >>>significantly earlier, I don't really see how any fair-minded individuals >>>could disagree).y >d= >>I don't remember the year.  I'll try to remember what I wasc5 >>doing when that piece of rumor went around my head.t >cE >This is the same quote still, I think.  I think it came out before In >left DEC in 1978.  3 That's about the year that keeps coming to my mind.w  : >  In the same discussion, KO commented that (8") floppiesI >were just too small, referencing how many his secretary had to deal withe' >on a (WPS-8?) word processing system.    = Well, I hated those floppies as a media (although not as much = as magtapes).  Floppies were shit.  Just writing on the cover * ruined a floppy.  Give DECtapes any day.    % > He noted how expensive and delicatek, >hard disks were (removable disk packs) too.  < <grin>  Unless you were Crash.  She was such a tiny lady and could haul packs.  >pI >At the time the TRS-80 was out, the Apple ][ out or about to be, the IBM K >PC not yet out.  Heathkit sold kit systems for 8080 and PDP-11, the lattertJ >with Heath's own OS, not RT11 like it should have.  Combine that with notI >wanting to compete with itself or coming out with DEC's own cheap PDP-11lB >PC (to protect the margins of the other lines), and it was prettyG >clear the company that took control of the minicomputer market was notkE >serious about taking control of the microprocessor market.  And theyn >didn't.  : Again, this internal competition was purely an accounting 8 competition.  I'm not sure how else I can describe it to6 get people to understand the difference.  The practice/ had a result of shooting ourselves in the foot.  <snip>   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail..   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 07:13:29 GMTe From: jmfbahciv@aol.comv" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8oimvf$pna$5@bob.news.rcn.net>i  . In article <sqot68fhc5d73@corp.supernews.com>,5    "Don Chiasson" <don_chiasson@earthling.net> wrote:n >d# >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote in message)" ><8odsdb$em$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...5 >>>I *still* don't recall exactly when Olsen made the  >infamous statement (let: >>>alone its exact wording).  If he said it any time after >the IBM PC hit they; >>>market, then I'll retract my above defense of him; if hea >said it any timeO; >>>before 1979, then I'll stand by every word of it (and ife >it wasa4 >>>significantly earlier, I don't really see how any >fair-minded individual  >>>could disagree).n >>= >>I don't remember the year.  I'll try to remember what I wasa; >>doing when that piece of rumor went around my head.  I do:; >>remember most of us being flabberghasted by the sentiment = >>since we all had terminals at home and used them.  And thenS< >>we began to dream..having a -10 in the house...jeez...what3 >>JMF couldn't have done with that on his off time.  >> >><snip> >.3 >From Cerf and Navasky, The Experts Speak (Pantheon.= >Press, 1984): "There is no reason for any individual to have 9 >a computer in their home.", Ken Olson, Convention of theb& >World Future Society in Boston, 1977.< >Source: Quoted by David H. Ahl in a 1982 interview with the >authors of the book.m  7 And, back then, there wasn't with our implementation ofg8 networks.  You could have a _terminal_ in your home and  dial the system up.    >t< >In 1977, a lot of things were not clear. Apple was founded,9 >and computers were toys. On the other hand, Olson should < >have realized shortly afterward that he had erred. Mistakes: >happen, the important thing is to keep reviewing data and2 >make corrections when it is obvious a mistake was >made.  = Right.  Phase IV of every process is required before startings the next development cycle.u   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.D   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 08:53:27 GMTs From: jmfbahciv@aol.comz" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8oisqr$9bs$1@bob.news.rcn.net>/  0 In article <39ab70a9.86436118@news.newsguy.com>,*    A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) wrote:9 >On Mon, 28 Aug 00 11:15:49 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:e >n >h> >>And how did that personal enthusiam get started?  By getting> >>an exposure to computing at an early age.  The -10s and -20s: >>got a lot of kids started when they were at college age. >oD >One of the few things I have in common with Bill Gates. Of course IA >didn't reverse engineer DEC Basic then make a fortune out of it.	 >e >rD >>>The 10/20 Jupiter fiasco was just the first (major) such blunder, >>A >>No.  The first blunder was cancelling the MG20. (I think that's- >>the hardware name.)u >0E >The major blunder in my opinion was lying to customers. We had heardvF >the rumours about cancellation and called in DEC who absolutely pointG >blank assured as that Jupiter would not be cancelled., Absolutely 100%o >categorically assured us.  ( Did you have a non-disclosure agreement?   >e( >Then they cancelled it two weeks later.  9 And that was the best thing that could have happened.  Ife8 the Jupiter project had continued, there would have been9 no funding for implementing DECnet Phase III and IV.  The"3 company would have tanked in 1985 rather than 1995.=   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 09:04:56 GMTt From: jmfbahciv@aol.comv" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8oitgc$9bs$4@bob.news.rcn.net>-  = In article <CRDq5.14318$pu4.1048746@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,p/    Ric Werme <werme@nospam.mediaone.net> wrote:  >jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >e, >>In article <8o8hht$aau$1@lisa.gemair.com>,5 >>   jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) wrote:- >-> >>>DEC became a company that felt that competition with itself< >>>was a bad thing, when their success was built upon having; >>>multiple overlapping product lines.  I'm concerned that P< >>>Compaq also has this mindset that they won't compete with: >>>themselves.  IIRC, a Compaq person even said as much at" >>>a DECUS conference awhile back. >dE >I remember reacting to that philosophy in the late 1970s when I lefteH >DEC with "if we won't compete with ourselves, there are plenty of other' >companies willing to compete with us."S >eD >A lot of the current product mix doesn't overlap as much as the DECE >line did in the early 80s.  NT is still not an Enterprise system butcG >is useful to some people, Tandem things with lock step processors that I >no other Compaq system does, VMS is having a bit of a rennaisance in thePH >business market, and Tru64 is carving out a big niche in big Unix iron. >DJ >So it's somewhat harder to compete amongst the various groups than it was >before. >F< >I remember one DEC 2040 sale where it listed a PDP-11/70 as0 >competition (or was it the other way around?).   7 Sigh!  That happened because there were essentially twoC7 separate (at least) sales forces in the field.  The wayJ3 it should have happened (and stopped after a major w5 restructuring) is that an analysis of the customer's e7 current and future needs should have been done and then-7 give a bid for the system that best suited those needs.    > These days, salesuE >update news, at least for Tru64, always lists other vendors as prime1A >competition.  Most of the sales are to situations where no others >Compaq line _could_ compete.o  8 And that's because, in order to prepare for the sale to : Compaq, all of the profitable pieces of Digital were sold.   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.h   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 15:39:25 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?2 Message-ID: <8oj9rd$1ge7$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  G In article <8oimep$pna$3@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:p5 >My point is that these guys didn't use computers thec >way you and I did.c  K So someone who could sit Bell down with a copy of Hamurabbi or Advent would  have made all the difference?e   --  # Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.					WWFD?   F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)w   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 15:51:58 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?2 Message-ID: <8ojaiu$1gpn$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  . In article <sqot68fhc5d73@corp.supernews.com>,0 Don Chiasson <don_chiasson@earthling.net> wrote:3 >From Cerf and Navasky, The Experts Speak (Pantheont= >Press, 1984): "There is no reason for any individual to have 9 >a computer in their home.", Ken Olson, Convention of thea& >World Future Society in Boston, 1977.< >Source: Quoted by David H. Ahl in a 1982 interview with the >authors of the book.x  ) >In 1977, a lot of things were not clear.d  N In 1972, after one half-hour experience with a teletype connected at something9 like 75 bps to a Honeywell mainframe, it was clear to me.t  N In 1977 I was chomping at the bit. I might have already got my TI programmableM calculator by then. I'd played Hamurabbi and Advent. Plato was reality. Xerox M was working on window systems. Shockwave Rider had been published, describing L a future not too far off when everyone had access to computer power at home.H Vinge hadn't written True Names, yet, but his earlier works were already. anticipating universal information processing.  2 Even in 1977 it was a stunning piece of neophobia.   -- w# Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.					WWFD?n  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans).   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:50:06 GMT % From: hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net>l" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?0 Message-ID: <39AD3D5D.6F1FE15D@bellatlantic.net>  C I will leave the previous exchanges in as I saw them. My comment is  below.   jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > 2 > In article <39ab70a9.86436118@news.newsguy.com>,, >    A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) wrote:; > >On Mon, 28 Aug 00 11:15:49 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:h > >h > >k@ > >>And how did that personal enthusiam get started?  By getting@ > >>an exposure to computing at an early age.  The -10s and -20s< > >>got a lot of kids started when they were at college age. > > F > >One of the few things I have in common with Bill Gates. Of course IC > >didn't reverse engineer DEC Basic then make a fortune out of it.= > >= > >=F > >>>The 10/20 Jupiter fiasco was just the first (major) such blunder, > >>C > >>No.  The first blunder was cancelling the MG20. (I think that's  > >>the hardware name.)c > >tG > >The major blunder in my opinion was lying to customers. We had heard-H > >the rumours about cancellation and called in DEC who absolutely pointI > >blank assured as that Jupiter would not be cancelled., Absolutely 100%s > >categorically assured us. > * > Did you have a non-disclosure agreement? >  > >e* > >Then they cancelled it two weeks later. > ; > And that was the best thing that could have happened.  If : > the Jupiter project had continued, there would have been; > no funding for implementing DECnet Phase III and IV.  Thee5 > company would have tanked in 1985 rather than 1995.o Barb, < I respect your opinions but I do not know the basis for this6 comment.  I could be wrong, my information is based on8 first hand data, and I had already left DEC LCG when the= cancellation occurred.  Let me recount what I know and please  correct or amplify what I say.  ? KC-10 was 100K ECL based micromachine/engine implementation of  : PDP10 ISP.  The chips used were from Fairchild - there was, a risk there in our opinions, single source.  G The micromachines/engines were horizontally microcoded (i.e. VLIW microuH instrcution). By the nature of the design, the I/O andwidth and Compute E power was programmable. note the word WAS..This means that you could a+ tune the balance between them in microcode.h  @C Bugs Mclean and Ted Hess worked the simulator and a good bit of the$A microcode. Pat Sullivan did the memory - much like the MG design. G Don M. and Bob E. did the microengines and a good bit of the microcode.e  B Ron Bingham was the manger, with Don Lewine and Nat Kerlinovich asB the front office trying to keep Bell and the vax folks out of our  day to day efforts.   C Hardware manufacturing cost - for the CPU card set - was just under C 50K. Just a little cheaper than the Venus prediction. The microcodeoF interaction between the micromachines/engines was complex.  We did not? have many tools beyond the simulator to verify interaction and w9 performance so we had to brute force the system at times.t  H With a manufacturing cost of 50K for the cpu, a fairly aggressive markupH would have really changed the $/MIPS formula used at the time. There wasA at the very least two majorly committed customers who planned to o5 purchase the first two years of production out right.u   How does your comment apply? thanks bob     s >  > /BAH > ) > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:22:38 GMTi( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>D Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?' Message-ID: <G03otq.D6n@spcuna.spc.edu>n  4 Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> writes:C > Having little or no budget, and desperately needing to upgrade anuG > underpowered Q-bus Vax for long-term, production work, I have to keepm6 > my eyes open for the words "replace" and "VAX 4000". >H- > And since we are within driving distance...  >l! > Tho it shames me, I must ask...a >r& > What happened to your Vax 4000-700A?  H   It's still running at SPC at the present time, in case anything missedH being migrated to the DS20. It'll be disconnected and shut down for goodG about halfway through the fall semester, when everyone who might notice + something missing has had a chance to look.   G   It (and the other hardware) is scheduled to be picked up by a regular F poster here who will give it a good home, though I doubt he needs moreE hardware. I expect he'll see this and contact both of us privately if- he'd rather have you take it.0  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com:5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAo   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:42:40 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)$D Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?0 Message-ID: <009EF5E6.B8340E4D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  R In article <G03otq.D6n@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:I >  It's still running at SPC at the present time, in case anything misseddI >being migrated to the DS20. It'll be disconnected and shut down for goodeH >about halfway through the fall semester, when everyone who might notice, >something missing has had a chance to look. >cH >  It (and the other hardware) is scheduled to be picked up by a regularG >poster here who will give it a good home, though I doubt he needs moremF >hardware. I expect he'll see this and contact both of us privately if >he'd rather have you take it.  G Let me know when they decide to toss the DS20! ;)  I'm only a few exitsp away.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:42:38 -0400C# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>aD Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?+ Message-ID: <39AD0F4E.711A808C@hsc.vcu.edu>h   'fraid so.. my university took in a vp of info tech that had a fraud conviction in the past... now they do criminal checks on everyyR one.. and lots of people got hurt, and vms was screwed.  the guy was an ibm bigot.   bleah..w   David A Froble wrote:e >  > Jim Agnew wrote: > >h, > > University giving up their site license. > >c$ > Even if they can keep it for free? >  > Dave >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:50:13 -0400m# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>i' Subject: Re: Security/Auditing question + Message-ID: <39AD1115.93514977@hsc.vcu.edu>s   Q'aPla!!   j.  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > B > FWIW, I think you can get the bible in Klingon on CD these days. >  > Shane  > ; > paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au on 08/29/2000 01:12:40 PMd >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu > cc:l > * > Subject:  Re: Security/Auditing question >  > Jordan Henderson > > Guide to System Security!?!  > E > > He clearly needs the source to OpenVMS (on CD, latest version) to E > > really understand what needs to be done here.  No mere book couldt, > > possibly be as definitive as the SOURCE! > 9 > Yep, too much Star Wars ... may the SOURCE be with you.  > L > The Christian religion has obviously failed because the Christian bible is > notDK > (?possibly) on CD.  What about those other religious bibles .. the Koran,e > K&RaI > and the Karma Sutra?  Are they all on CD yet?  The latter might also be  > Perfumed.l >  > Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:36:37 -0500P* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>! Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !!t- Message-ID: <0033000003513925000002L052*@MHS>   0 =0AYour name has been referred to me as a fellow5 "opportunity seeker" and I know you will be impressed  by this special event!!e6 ------------------------------------------------------2 Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US6 Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as long0 as the sender includes contact information and a2 method of removal. Removal instructions located on bottom of message.        <remaining spam snipped>e  :      Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* what      is or is not spam!   .      Is the term "ignorant spammer" redundant?        WWWebb=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:29:05 -0400r' From: David Beatty <dabeat@wnt.sas.com>h! Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !!v2 Message-ID: <IQutOc47IYeUH7jRrAMHDyK9yo1E@4ax.com>   Yes, it is!e  < And most of the time, either the remove URL is invalid, they7 want you to call them (at cost), or they simply pass on@6 your e-mail address to another spam list.  So much for> the government "looking out for us"; doesn't work, never will.   Dr. Dave  > P.S.  To all Internet marketers: you have my permission to not> include my e-mail address in your distribution list or pass it on to someone else.   0 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:36:37 -0500, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:   > . >Your name has been referred to me as a fellow6 >"opportunity seeker" and I know you will be impressed >by this special event!!7 >------------------------------------------------------d3 >Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th USb7 >Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as longd1 >as the sender includes contact information and a 3 >method of removal. Removal instructions located on  >bottom of message.  >  >     <remaining spam snipped> >f; >     Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* whath >     is or is not spam! >v/ >     Is the term "ignorant spammer" redundant?O >n >     WWWebb   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:55:22 GMTH4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !!t= Message-ID: <en8r5.15753$pu4.1131605@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>i  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message7' news:0033000003513925000002L052*@MHS...a  - Your name has been referred to me as a fellowr5 "opportunity seeker" and I know you will be impressedt by this special event!!s6 ------------------------------------------------------2 Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US6 Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as long0 as the sender includes contact information and a2 method of removal. Removal instructions located on bottom of message.        <remaining spam snipped>   :      Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* what      is or is not spam!s  : Umm, that isn't **all* Congress wants to decide for you...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:11:09 -0700 ) From: Rick Cadruvi <rick@rick.rdperf.com>a! Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !!i/ Message-ID: <39AC895D.506ADD0F@rick.rdperf.com>g  = Actually, Congress still calls it spam, they just legalize it B if the person follows the law which this person DID NOT.  However,@ the House still hasn't passed it's version, so it isn't law yet.   Rick...e   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:a > 9 > "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messagea) > news:0033000003513925000002L052*@MHS...  > / > Your name has been referred to me as a fellowt7 > "opportunity seeker" and I know you will be impressedd > by this special event!!t8 > ------------------------------------------------------4 > Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US8 > Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as long2 > as the sender includes contact information and a4 > method of removal. Removal instructions located on > bottom of message. >  >      <remaining spam snipped>h > < >      Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* what >      is or is not spam!i > < > Umm, that isn't **all* Congress wants to decide for you...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:21:09 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>! Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !!t, Message-ID: <8ojc9n$1942@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  _ "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message news:0033000003513925000002L052*@MHS...4  :      Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* what      is or is not spam!c  D At least you get to vote for them. It's even more galling for non-US8 readers. No spam without representation! Or something ;)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:09:35 -0700d) From: Rick Cadruvi <rick@rick.rdperf.com>a* Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !! - remove/ Message-ID: <39AC88FF.705289B2@rick.rdperf.com>i  F These lying, cheating spammers need to read the law.  The law requires the 
 following:  D Title III: Spamming - Requires a person who transmits an unsolicited
 commercialF electronic mail message to include at the beginning of the body of theE message: (1) the name, physical address, electronic mail address, and.	 telephonelE number of the person who initiates transmission of the message or who ; created the content of it; and (2) a statement that furtheru transmissions of suchpD mail to the recipient by the person may be stopped at no cost to the recipient byH sending a reply to the originating electronic mail address with the word "remove" in the subject line.    A I don't see a PHYSICAL ADDRESS, NAME, or TELEPHONE NUMBER  at theu	 beginningaC of this message.  This SPAMMER is the worst kind.  They LIE, CHEAT, F and STEAL.  These people should be banned from the internet FOREVER.    C I hate when these people say they are NOT spamming when they DO NOTt follow o8 the law they claim to use as a cover for their activity.  F I guess these liars can get away with it for now, because the bill has yet to1 pass the congress.  It is now tied up in H.R.2162t     just my humble opinion,e     Rick...u   jeshuel@earthlink.net wrote: > / > Your name has been referred to me as a fellowl7 > "opportunity seeker" and I know you will be impresseds > by this special event!!e8 > ------------------------------------------------------4 > Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US8 > Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as long2 > as the sender includes contact information and a4 > method of removal. Removal instructions located on > bottom of message. > - > http://www.sixfigureincome.com/free/?364330o > 8 > STUFF An Extra $1200-$5000 in Your Pocket Every Month! >  > Through our FREE Affiliate Program you can earn hundreds of dollars every month on sales of subscriptions to Six-Figure Income Magazine, advertising in SFI Magazine, and on dozens of our exclusive informational products and business-building services. We'll provide everything you need:1 >        FREE fully-integrated Affiliate Websiteu >        FREE Sample Adsh0 >        FREE full-color Internet-ready banners > You also receive:->        FREE lifetime subscription to our exclusive Six-Figure Income Newsletter featuring marketing tips, secrets, & techniques; how-to articles; latest home business news and stats; special, unpublished excerpts from our exclusive magazine interviews; plus other invaluable articles, insider strategies, and information from the planet's highest-earning home business entrepreneurs.3 >        FREE Internet Income Course ($295 value)oe > ACT NOW and we'll also include you in our international POWERLINE co-op advertising program - FREE!h= > Sign up now at: http://www.sixfigureincome.com/free/?364330n > - > http://www.sixfigureincome.com/free/?364330c > 8 > You are receiving this email because we have exchanged5 > business opportunities, communicated in some way on 3 > the internet or I received your e-mail as someoner5 > interested in Internet Business Opportunities. If Id5 > received your e-mail in error, or you are no longero< > interested, simply email me at jeshuel@earthlink.net  with6 > REMOVE in the subject field and you will be promptly5 > removed from my mailing list.***THIS IS NOT SPAM***t4 > Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US8 > Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as long2 > as the sender includes contact information and a > method of removal. > Thank You!   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 10:09:26 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)& Subject: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <vg+Cgt3Lp8Wk@eisner.decus.org>t  o In article <39ACE0B2.D59E333A@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:u  N > What do you think all these Compaq architects/consultants/NT specialists are > building forN > customers that require reliability and scalability. Hint it certainly isn't I > based on an OS with anything more than the most rudimentary clustering  
 > support. >   > 	Good point.  Speaking of which I suspect the reliability and : 	availability of Sun hardware might have taken a few more  	dings recently:  D http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO49055,00.html  = 	By the way Andrew and for fans that follow this forum.  Dejai: 	goes back far enough to catch you with yer knickers down.: 	I'm including all of it so neither one of us will accused 	of "spinning" it:  > http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=560166016&fmt=text    B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: The Sun fails to shine....... Date: 13 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Newsgroups: comp.os.vmst   Rob Young wrote:  B > In article <82jj0u$c1$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon"$ <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:M > > Of course I relayed this to my pro-Sun coworkers.  They just shrugged andb: > > said "oh yeah.  That is old news and is all fixed now. > >aJ > > From the article, what does     "The note, dated 16 November last ...". > > mean?   Does it mean Nov 16, 1999 or 1998? >nC >         Well.. applying a tiny bit of analysis.. if this was fromtJ >         November of 1998 this would have been news back then.  Seeing itK >         is news on Pearl Harbor day 1999, I say it is from Nov. 16, 1999.o >r  " Well sorry Rob but it is old news.  F The Gartner report is a re-hash of an origional report and is based on9 info released by Sun to Gartner not the other way around.d  L Sun does not even supply the 400 MHz/4 MB cache CPU part mentioned by GarnerJ in their report any longer it was replaced in May of this year. The end ofI life of this module was some time after the origional fault was found ando
 rectified.  O Incedentally Gartner also report that the 400 MHz/8 MB cache unit that replacedt it is reliable.h  6 The register article also refers to a FC-AL part which: Sun also hasn't supplied for some time we stopped shipping, the part and replaced the ones in the field.  8 I hope that Compaq who also OEM'd the same part have not9 shipped  shipped the revision of the part that caused the : problem and if they have I hope that they like HP who also8 OEMed the same part are recalling the ones in the field.   Arn't glass houses great !!w       >nJ >         Your buds claiming "oh yeah, old news."  They are full of beans.J >         They didn't know about this and when pressed can't cite a singleJ >         reference hardcopy or otherwise.   You gotta watch out for folksL >         like you describe.  When faced with the facts, they go into denialK >         mode instead of admitting fault.  I have dealt with several folksI8 >         in the last 2 years with very similar results. >   J "In denial mode", interesting choice of words from an OpenVMS advocate :-)? :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)o? :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)l   Owwwww I split my sides.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ---e  $ 	So Andy ol' chap... still old news?  D http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO49055,00.html  I "Gartner plans soon to release an advisory on the memory component issue,iL updating one released in November, because of continued and "frequent client; complaints of persistent downtime" caused by the problem. "   > 	Better tug on those knickers there Andy ol' boy... seems they  	are down around your ankles ;-)   				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:57:43 +0100aB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39AD3D07.642593A3@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:  q > In article <39ACE0B2.D59E333A@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:n >hP > > What do you think all these Compaq architects/consultants/NT specialists are > > building forO > > customers that require reliability and scalability. Hint it certainly isn'toJ > > based on an OS with anything more than the most rudimentary clustering > > support. > >. >.F >         Good point.  Speaking of which I suspect the reliability andB >         availability of Sun hardware might have taken a few more >         dings recently:B >nF > http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO49055,00.html >rF >         By the way Andrew and for fans that follow this forum.  DejaC >         goes back far enough to catch you with yer knickers down.mC >         I'm including all of it so neither one of us will accusedc >         of "spinning" it:m >a  D Perhaps you should read the end of the report you posted it containsJ a hint as to what might be one of the causes of the problems. IncedentallyH the remedy highlighted in the report is simply good datacenter practice.   >u@ > http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=560166016&fmt=text >dD > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>, > Subject: Re: The Sun fails to shine.......  > Date: 13 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT  > Organization: Sun Microsystems > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsx >p > Rob Young wrote: > D > > In article <82jj0u$c1$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon"& > <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:O > > > Of course I relayed this to my pro-Sun coworkers.  They just shrugged andj< > > > said "oh yeah.  That is old news and is all fixed now. > > >sL > > > From the article, what does     "The note, dated 16 November last ..."0 > > > mean?   Does it mean Nov 16, 1999 or 1998? > >sE > >         Well.. applying a tiny bit of analysis.. if this was fromtL > >         November of 1998 this would have been news back then.  Seeing itM > >         is news on Pearl Harbor day 1999, I say it is from Nov. 16, 1999.t > >e >.$ > Well sorry Rob but it is old news. >eH > The Gartner report is a re-hash of an origional report and is based on; > info released by Sun to Gartner not the other way around.6 > N > Sun does not even supply the 400 MHz/4 MB cache CPU part mentioned by GarnerL > in their report any longer it was replaced in May of this year. The end ofK > life of this module was some time after the origional fault was found and  > rectified. >r  F Quite true and this wasn't the same issue in fact the components arn't! even supplied by the same vendor.h   >o >r >:- >         So Andy ol' chap... still old news?K  K Yup, nice try but no cigar. You either didn't read the article right to thenK end or you chose to ignore the last paragraph because you didn't understanduH or didn't want to contemplate the implications of what the person quoted was saying.u   Regards  Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT ArchitectS   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 14:32:47 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <qZ70P3pLSyhD@eisner.decus.org>h  o In article <39AD3D07.642593A3@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:C > Rob Young wrote: > r >> In article <39ACE0B2.D59E333A@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >>Q >> > What do you think all these Compaq architects/consultants/NT specialists are3 >> > building for P >> > customers that require reliability and scalability. Hint it certainly isn'tK >> > based on an OS with anything more than the most rudimentary clustering 
 >> > support.a >> > >>G >>         Good point.  Speaking of which I suspect the reliability and C >>         availability of Sun hardware might have taken a few moree >>         dings recently: >>G >> http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO49055,00.htmls >>G >>         By the way Andrew and for fans that follow this forum.  DejasD >>         goes back far enough to catch you with yer knickers down.D >>         I'm including all of it so neither one of us will accused >>         of "spinning" it: >> > F > Perhaps you should read the end of the report you posted it containsL > a hint as to what might be one of the causes of the problems. IncedentallyJ > the remedy highlighted in the report is simply good datacenter practice. >   : 	Sorry Andy... you need to get a hard copy of the article.9 	As the box insert shows, it isn't environmental (most ofa= 	the time).  Keep a twistin' in the breeze ;-)  More examples 
 	below    B^)    >>A >> http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=560166016&fmt=textv >>E >> From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>s- >> Subject: Re: The Sun fails to shine.......i! >> Date: 13 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMTo! >> Organization: Sun Microsystems  >> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >> >> Rob Young wrote:  >>E >> > In article <82jj0u$c1$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" ' >> <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes: P >> > > Of course I relayed this to my pro-Sun coworkers.  They just shrugged and= >> > > said "oh yeah.  That is old news and is all fixed now.s >> > >M >> > > From the article, what does     "The note, dated 16 November last ..."m1 >> > > mean?   Does it mean Nov 16, 1999 or 1998?o >> >F >> >         Well.. applying a tiny bit of analysis.. if this was fromM >> >         November of 1998 this would have been news back then.  Seeing ittN >> >         is news on Pearl Harbor day 1999, I say it is from Nov. 16, 1999. >> > >>% >> Well sorry Rob but it is old news.  >>I >> The Gartner report is a re-hash of an origional report and is based onu< >> info released by Sun to Gartner not the other way around. >>O >> Sun does not even supply the 400 MHz/4 MB cache CPU part mentioned by Garner M >> in their report any longer it was replaced in May of this year. The end ofeL >> life of this module was some time after the origional fault was found and
 >> rectified.  >> > H > Quite true and this wasn't the same issue in fact the components arn't# > even supplied by the same vendor.o >   5 	Yes... do tell us more!   But we do indeed have somesE 	troubling details out there... components and all.  We have friends s? 	and relatives that have had numerous problems.  How about thiss> 	poor sap that dropped this out to slashdot a couple days ago:    P "I'm posting anonymously to protect my job and my employer. We have 3 E10000 andG 7 E6000 systems in our production environment. All of them have had the1M problem. All of them have gone through multiple exchanges of CPUs, memory and M system boards. We are seriously looking at switching hardware vendors at thiseN time. We are looking at RS6000s as a possible replacement, but it would take aI considerable amount of work to recompile all of our custom apps for theiriN environment. We also have about a dozen S-390 mainframes and have been lookingM at Linux under OS390 too.. Either way, I think we are going to be getting rid0 of Sun."    > 	Maybe somebody hasn't told them to lower the thermostat, yet?$ 	They sound like a sizable customer!  6 	Won't be long Andrew until we can put names to these ; 	poor buggers that have had your employer's NDA shoved downI? 	their throat.  Like our good friend Rick Epps.  Remember Rick?c 	He's "old news" too:   - http://www.tinaa.com/lists/e10k/msg00024.htmla  % Re: e10k: A question for the list....n  3      Subject: Re: e10k: A question for the list....n(      From: Rick Epps <Rick.Epps@NAU.EDU>*      Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:28:17 -0700   Jarod,  O It has been hell here with our E10K. It was so bad for over a year, SUN made us L sign a non-discloser statement, so I can not talk about our problems. I haveJ talked to many other universities and companies that are going through the same.-  K If your E10K is doing good now, I hope it continues to do good. Sorry, I amw
 just venting.   . At 09:26 AM 9/29/99 -0500, Jarod Jenson wrote:M >The 10k is a great platform and when configured correctly and with the right E >processes in place for hardware/software issues, you should not have  > any major problems.t >>G >> *nod*  Apart from this incident, all of our other problems have beenu+ >> resolved with the machine still running.d  D  ___________________________________________________________________D | Rick Epps - Systems Programmer, Principal - UNIX,MVS,VM,NT,Pr1me..8 | mailto:Rick.Epps@nau.edu, (520) 523-6500, Fax 523-7407 | - |             Information Technology Servicesp8 |     (mailto:ask-its@nau.edu) (http://www.nau.edu/its/) |i2 | Northern Arizona University (http://www.nau.edu)2 | PO Box 5100, Flagstaff, AZ  86011, United States$ | Home Page: <under construction> :): |_________________________________________________________    . 	Here Andy... spin his "environmental issues":  - http://www.tinaa.com/lists/e10k/msg00008.htmll  L Here at Northern Arizona University, we have had an E10K for one year and in> that year our E10K has been crashing weekly. SUN has replaced:    - Multiple System Boardsb  - Multiple CPUS  - Multiple SIMMSLC  - Sun even replaced the entire E10k with a second one at 6 months.s*    Which it also suffering weekly crashes.#  - SUN had their Engineers on site.eI  - We increased humidity to 60%                 <<<<--- Spin Here ... andsA  - Computer room environmental were tested.     <<<<--- Spin Herec   All with no success.   >> >> >>. >>         So Andy ol' chap... still old news? > M > Yup, nice try but no cigar. You either didn't read the article right to theRM > end or you chose to ignore the last paragraph because you didn't understandtJ > or didn't want to contemplate the implications of what the person quoted
 > was saying.  >   < 	No it isn't old news.  In fact your friends at Gartner (the? 	ones you are so fond of quoting) , point out they are updatingL 	their advisory:  D http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO49055,00.html  I "Gartner plans soon to release an advisory on the memory component issue,lL updating one released in November, because of continued and "frequent client; complaints of persistent downtime" caused by the problem. "r      	Spin on Andrew... tell us more!   	HA!   				Robo   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:24:22 GMTn From: pmart63@my-deja.comz- Subject: Tracking / receipt of mail over SMTP ) Message-ID: <8oj8ua$htr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,sD   I'm sending simple mail messages from one machine to a Lotus NotesF Server by way of anoyher box using it as an SMTP gateway (It's runningG UCX (TCPIP Services) 4.1 under OpenVMS 7.1 (Alpha)). I've been asked as E to whether it's possible to pick up a read receipt from the recipienttE (when a message is read) and relay it back to the sender. I've lookedtA and I can't see any way of doing it with what I've got installed.mD Anybody know of any 3rd-party (or Compaq?) software that can do this@ (preferably in conjunction with existing structure). All answers% gratefully read and digested. Thanks.    PM.I    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:05:06 GMTR From: dawnmoreton@my-deja.comw$ Subject: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's) Message-ID: <8oj4a2$bti$1@nnrp1.deja.com>3   hi, C We produce reports on various Vax/Alpha's and then transfer them bye@ various means so that the information can be viewed on the PC's.C Is there any way of producing the report on the Vax/Alpha with more ( format/style rather than straight ASCII? Regards, Dawn    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:30:45 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ( Subject: Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's( Message-ID: <39AD1A95.BAE1BDB@gtech.com>   dawnmoreton@my-deja.com wrote:E > We produce reports on various Vax/Alpha's and then transfer them by!B > various means so that the information can be viewed on the PC's.E > Is there any way of producing the report on the Vax/Alpha with morer* > format/style rather than straight ASCII?  ! I would definatetly go for HTML !0   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:45:29 +0200 (MET)t From: ZINSER@sysdev.exchange.deh( Subject: Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's3 Message-ID: <01JTL6B3L8GI9JFCS6@sysdev.exchange.de>r   Hello!   > hi,aE > We produce reports on various Vax/Alpha's and then transfer them byhB > various means so that the information can be viewed on the PC's.E > Is there any way of producing the report on the Vax/Alpha with moren* > format/style rather than straight ASCII?  > 	Well, how about HTML? You can either modify your reportwriter? 	to directly embed the HTML tags into the ASCII report, or run   	a tool like asctohtm D         (see e.g. http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/asctohtm.htmlx= 	for details) against your straight ASCII reports to convert : 	them to HTML.   					Greetings, Martin  I P.S. For the really adventurous, one can pursue route 1 also with (La)TeX.I      as the output format, which certainly will give typographically the c      best output ;-)P Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser                                 zinser@sysdev.exchange.de2 Deutsche Boerse Systems AG                        O Koenigsberger Str. 29                                  Tel: +49 69 2101 5634    L 60284 Frankfurt                                        FAX: +49 69 2101 3411P Germany                                                Private:  zinser@decus.de   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 12:44:29 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)s( Subject: Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's+ Message-ID: <4ZH4o5xvLglv@eisner.decus.org>S  I In article <8oj4a2$bti$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, dawnmoreton@my-deja.com writes:6  E > We produce reports on various Vax/Alpha's and then transfer them byiB > various means so that the information can be viewed on the PC's.E > Is there any way of producing the report on the Vax/Alpha with moret* > format/style rather than straight ASCII?   DEC Document produces HTML.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:43:35 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>( Subject: Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's+ Message-ID: <8oja3a$ltm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   Z "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message news:39AD1A95.BAE1BDB@gtech.com...  > dawnmoreton@my-deja.com wrote:G > > We produce reports on various Vax/Alpha's and then transfer them by D > > various means so that the information can be viewed on the PC's.G > > Is there any way of producing the report on the Vax/Alpha with moreh, > > format/style rather than straight ASCII?  A The question has to be: how and from what do you produce reports?t  # > I would definatetly go for HTML !i  I Substituting live values into a document template is pretty standard farewC for web programming. That sounds pretty close to what you're doing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:52:45 -0700d1 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospam>e( Subject: Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's2 Message-ID: <8ojehp$d2j$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>  * <dawnmoreton@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8oj4a2$bti$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  > hi,oE > We produce reports on various Vax/Alpha's and then transfer them by:B > various means so that the information can be viewed on the PC's.E > Is there any way of producing the report on the Vax/Alpha with moren* > format/style rather than straight ASCII?
 > Regards, > Dawn >a >.( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.1  J The XENTIS report writer has the ability to produce regular ascii reports, or HTMLcI formatted reports.  When generating HTML reports you can control how manynK report pages are placed on an web page.  If there is more than one web page  producedL than a index page is also produced.  In addition this newly generated report	 can cause;E a link to be inserted into a 'catalog' web page.  You can then either0 download the HTML I to a PC or acess it using a PC web browser and VMS web server.  XENTIS is: availble from GrayMatter Software Corp.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:18:09 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VMS 2.0, anyone?n+ Message-ID: <rhZcTw6U$kG8@eisner.decus.org>o  W In article <8mur85$21$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Will Jennings <XDS_Sigma7@hotmail.com> writes:u > Hi, I > I have a sort of odd question.. Does anyone know what color the binderseI > are for the V2.0 manuals? I have a bunch of them and I want to put thempE > in binders... or if anyone had an empty set of the binders.. I alsor3 > could use a list of what docs are in the 2.0 set.e >     Blue.   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 11:05:07 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)F Subject: Re: VMS at home, ISDN, router, Linux, static IP addresses,.... Message-ID: <8oipp3$olq$1@info.service.rug.nl>  I In article <8o63l9$qq9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com writes:r  @ >I would like someone else to test it before I make it generally@ >available though, and I am hoping Phillip might do that when he >installs his new home set up.  5 I'm still not sure exactly which route I will take.  l    @ Whatever I do, I will try to put up a WWW page with step-by-stepH instructions.  It would be nice if enough people ask that this goes into	 the FAQ. o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:11:03 -0400s2 From: "Jason McCormick" <jason.mccormick@lexi.com>' Subject: Re: Where can I get TLB files?r2 Message-ID: <39ad15fd$0$4720@wodc7nh0.news.uu.net>  K  Ahh, that worked, thanks!!  I used pos_default becuase that's what all thewH other printers use.  Oh well.  You live and learn.  Thanks for the help.  2 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515". <Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message- news:a4zWkERS6ywU@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu...t5 > In article <39abe48d$0$27965@wodc7nh0.news.uu.net>,e> >         "Jason McCormick" <jason.mccormick@lexi.com> writes:K > >   When I add the printer in Multinet, the fourth line I have to fill inl is7 > > called "Library".  It has this text attached to it:n > >l > >oL lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq > > qqqqqqqqqqqqk K > > x  Name of a text file to be used as the device control library. Do notn > > xaJ > > x  include the file's path. MultiNet assumes all libraries are of type TLBt > > and          xA > > x  reside in SYS$LIBRARY. Default: SYS$LIBRARY:SYSDEVCTL.TLB.  > > xd > >aL mqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq > > qqqqqqqqqqqqjn > > L > > If I leave it blank or try to enter "sysdevctl" I get the following from% > > "show que/all/full minolta$print"m > >d8 > >   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status8 > >   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------C > >     746  AA97            SYSJASON        417  Retained on erroraG > >        %PSM-E-MODNOTFND, library module !AS not found in record !UL * > >        -LBR-E-KEYNOTFND, key not found@ > >          Submitted 29-AUG-2000 12:22:24.15 /FORM=POS_DEFAULT (stock=DEFAULT)-@ >                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >          /PRIORITY=100< > >          File: _LEXI$DKA300:[SYS0.SYSMGR.JASON]AA97.PS;1E > >          Completed 29-AUG-2000 12:22:24.60 on queue MINOLTA$PRINTm >AJ >         OK, I understand now.  Point  1:  you were, apparently, using MUJ >     CONF/MENU  to  get to the printer configuration menu, and thence  toJ >     the ADD LPD Printer menu.  This last menu does have a  line  labeledF >     LIBRARY which does give the text description you included above. >bJ >         The LIBRARY field  may  be  left  blank,  and  indeed,  if you'dJ >     instead  used MU CONF/PRINTER and issued the ADD command, you  would+ >     not have been prompted for a library.> >>J >         For reasons I don't understand, you are using a non-default formJ >     (see the text I've  underlined  above),  either  when  you issue theJ >     PRINT command, or when you initialized the queue (i.e., you suppliedJ >     something  in  the "Default Form" field when you added  the  printerJ >     under Multinet).  The error message is saying,  "I  can't  find  theJ >     form  you  requested,  POS_DEFAULT,  in  the  default device controlJ >     library".  That's because it's not  a  form that "vanilla" VMS PRINTJ >     command  knows  about, and neither have you supplied a text  libraryJ >     (the Library field) which _has_ the POS_DEFAULT text module  in  it.J >     I  discussed  how  you  create  and  populate  a  text library in my& >     previous posting in this thread. > J >         A  SHOW  QUEUE/FULL  MINOLTA$PRINT   (actually,  the  stuff  youJ >     apparently  snipped  before  posting the above  information  on  theJ >     failing ENTRY) would show what the default form is.  As an  example,H >     here's a SHOW QUE/FUL for one of my Multinet LPR/LPD print queues: > L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---c% > SLC::System_khf> sho que/ful cyolj1 A > Printer queue CYOLJ1, idle, on SLC::NLP5:, mounted form DEFAULT.' >   <LPD queue on 134.79.56.224 cyolj1>lK >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM]uB >   /PROCESSOR=MULTINET_LPD_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) > SLC::System_khf>L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---v >eJ >     Note that the "mounted form"  is  DEFAULT  (all VMS systems have theJ >     DEFAULT  form)  and there is no /LIBRARY specification, that  is,  IJ >     didn't fill in the Library field when configuring the printer (well,B >     I also didn't use MU CONF/MENU, but that's a side issue...). >9J >         My advise: delete the queue and recreate it using MU CONF/PRINT: >   >             $ DELETE/ENTRY=746. >             $ STOP/QUEUE/RESET MINOLTA$PRINT. >             $ DELETE/QUEUE     MINOLTA$PRINT >             $ MU CONF/PRIN. >             PRINTER-CONFIG>add minolta$printH >             [Adding new configuration entry for queue "MINOLTA$PRINT"]% >             Remote Host Name: xyzzyt" >             Protocol Type: [LPD]% >             Remote Queue Name: [lp]a* >             [MINOLTA$PRINT => xyzzy, lp]! >             PRINTER-CONFIG>savet >             PRINTER-CONFIG>^Zo >             $B >wJ >     At this  point,  your  queue  should  be  properly  setup  (but  notJ >     started...I  believe there are instructions for what to do next whenJ >     you save the configuration).  Next, be very sure that you don't haveJ >     a DCL symbol for "PRINT" that includes a "/FORM=POS_DEFAULT"  string >     in its definition. >rJ >         Finally, if you're still having  problems,  or you want to add a> >     Postscript device control library, post the question to: >d) >         vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinetr >rJ >     There are a log of Multinet experts  reading that news group who are6 >     very helpful with all manner of Multinet issues. >m > --/ >  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet:  Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edun< >  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515L >  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----D >  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:16:45 -0400t* From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@Compaq.com>1 Subject: Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?t) Message-ID: <39AD417D.79E7D9B@Compaq.com>1   Robert Deininger wrote:.G > I would venture a guess that most everyone in openvms engineering hasRE > a well-worn copy of the book close at hand.  Unless there's an even0@ > more detailed, top-secret, internal version available to them.  J That would be a pretty good guess. I&DS is certainly detailed enough - no G top-secret version needed! When working with an unfamiliar area of the nN operating system, I usually consult the book first, and then (only if needed)  hit the source code.    Try it, you'll like it!g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:03:58 +0100l2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS. Message-ID: <39ACCDFE.52D1F05A@CCAgroup.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:  > H > Any chance of Compaq committing to providing an up to date prorpietaryP > Microsoft Word viewer on VMS ? (as well as providing updated CDA converter forN > WORD so we can extract the text from all that overhead and keep only what is > needed ?),  A There are freeware tools: laola (Patrick Moreau) & catdoc (Hunter 	 Goatley). E I use laola, although there wasn't much between them. It's layered on(H perl, & usually does a reasonable job with text. Beyond that, I send theH offending doc back, with a request for a non-proprietary format. Usually9 cures the idiots that send every two line memo from word._   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:39:46 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS* Message-ID: <39ACD661.6A858C05@uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:g  H > Any chance of Compaq committing to providing an up to date prorpietaryP > Microsoft Word viewer on VMS ? (as well as providing updated CDA converter forN > WORD so we can extract the text from all that overhead and keep only what is > needed ?)W  E When Sun releases the StarOffice source code in October you will once-? it has been ported to OpenVMS get a Word Viewer well actually a F word editor. It generally works very well the only common issue I findN when running StarOffice on a non win32 platform is fonts or font substitution.       RegardsR Andrew Harrisono Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:14:15 -0400m0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMSD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000830071415.0091b100@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hopefully....   ' A. Someone will port StarOffice to OVMSw1 B. StarOffice will perform halfway decent on OVMS5  D Usually (as has been noted on many posts to this list), applicationsI (particularly Xwindows apps) perform SIGNIFICANTLY slower on OVMS than on I Linux/Unix. If the performance of past versions of StarOffice on Linux is K any indication of how it will run on OVMS, you will have to start opening a-, document the day before you want to edit it!   :-)M   Just my .02...   Regards,   Jimc  ' At 10:39 AM 8/30/2000 +0100, you wrote:e >JF Mezei wrote: >$I >> Any chance of Compaq committing to providing an up to date prorpietaryhC >> Microsoft Word viewer on VMS ? (as well as providing updated CDAP
 converter forrG >> WORD so we can extract the text from all that overhead and keep onlyk what iso >> needed ?) >sF >When Sun releases the StarOffice source code in October you will once@ >it has been ported to OpenVMS get a Word Viewer well actually aG >word editor. It generally works very well the only common issue I find A >when running StarOffice on a non win32 platform is fonts or fontn
 substitution.x >i >s >c >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect >  >  >I > 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-07       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.:8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemsa Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235c Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com n        jhjennis@shentel.neta& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 10:43:01 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)a  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS+ Message-ID: <fEDtlZMgH29Q@eisner.decus.org>e  w In article <3.0.5.32.20000830071415.0091b100@discovery.fuentez.com>, Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> writes:h > Hopefully....  > ) > A. Someone will port StarOffice to OVMS 3 > B. StarOffice will perform halfway decent on OVMSn > F > Usually (as has been noted on many posts to this list), applicationsK > (particularly Xwindows apps) perform SIGNIFICANTLY slower on OVMS than on-K > Linux/Unix. If the performance of past versions of StarOffice on Linux iseM > any indication of how it will run on OVMS, you will have to start opening aL. > document the day before you want to edit it!  I The many posts I have seen to this lost regarding performance comparisons J have dealt with disk performance, which should be immaterial to an editor.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:14:53 -0700e) From: Rick Cadruvi <rick@rick.rdperf.com>a  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS/ Message-ID: <39AC8A3D.16B2EE9B@rick.rdperf.com>s  D And of course, they never mention the lack of data reliability that = Linux/Unix gives up to get better disk performance.  For mostt applicationsE on OpenVMS, a good third party disk caching product will give better n! performance than Linux/Unix gets.d   Just my opinion,   Rick...    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > y > In article <3.0.5.32.20000830071415.0091b100@discovery.fuentez.com>, Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> writes:  > > Hopefully....  > >e+ > > A. Someone will port StarOffice to OVMS 5 > > B. StarOffice will perform halfway decent on OVMS  > > H > > Usually (as has been noted on many posts to this list), applicationsM > > (particularly Xwindows apps) perform SIGNIFICANTLY slower on OVMS than on M > > Linux/Unix. If the performance of past versions of StarOffice on Linux is-O > > any indication of how it will run on OVMS, you will have to start opening aa0 > > document the day before you want to edit it! > K > The many posts I have seen to this lost regarding performance comparisonsbL > have dealt with disk performance, which should be immaterial to an editor.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.485 ************************