1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 31 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 486       Contents:( Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. Re: analysing object libraries Re: analysing object libraries Re: analysing object libraries$ Re: Another perspective on anti-spam Re: Any comments on the CETS?  Re: Any comments on the CETS?  Re: Any comments on the CETS?  Re: Any comments on the CETS? - Re: Apache CGI script output - 1.3.12 July 12 - Re: Apache CGI script output - 1.3.12 July 12 * Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale7 Buying CPQ, was Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS P CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Central( CETS2000 - Important Content Information Re: COM for OpenVMS " Decstation 3000/300 trouble lights& Re: Decstation 3000/300 trouble lights& Re: Decstation 3000/300 trouble lights Re: Direct I/O increase  Re: Direct I/O increase + Re: e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail . Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS  I&DS Book Question Re: I&DS Book Question# Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? 0 Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...0 Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS... LDAP0 Re: Low-level interface to AlpSta parallel port?( Re: NFS (PCNFS) does no lomger function!8 Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?8 Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?8 Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?! RE: OpenVMS Marketing, Partnering ! Re: OpenVMS Marketing, Partnering & Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100: Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (actually Pathworks for OS/2' Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised) + Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised) + Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised)  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit? 
 Re: run *.com  Re: Six Figure Income !! Re: Six Figure Income !! Re: Six Figure Income !! NOT!  TCPIP$FTP Bugchecking!# Re: Terseness (was Re: DHCP server) ( Re: Tracking / receipt of mail over SMTP$ Tracking / receipt of mail over SMTP Re: US Senator goes GREEN. Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's  Re: Where can I get TLB files? Re: WORD viewer for VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:49:22 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>1 Subject: Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. - Message-ID: <39ADB9A2.E1701A96@tsoft-inc.com>    Roy Omond wrote: > B > Hee hee !  Also in this case, the VMScluster has (by many years)A > outlived the "VP" (VP is a misnomer here;  the guy was actually G > professor (in the UK sense, i.e. head) of computer science at a major H > European university, and also the founder of a certain "Data Division"< > at a *very* large European laboratory).  When asked why weD > should keep VMS, I replied "Because we deserve the best", to whichE > his reply was "Yes, I admit VMS is the best", and then proceeded to H > insist on switching to Unix nevertheless, even though we had plenty of! > Unix machines already in place.   I So, this guy get his degree from one of those internet spam e-mails?  I'm M guessing intellegence wasn't a requirement for his past/current/future jobs?  J Lets see, if he was in the olympics, in the 100 meter finals, and in first. place, he'd slow down so he could take second?   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:51:44 GMT % From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) ' Subject: Re: analysing object libraries / Message-ID: <sqqlu03nc5d125@news.supernews.com>    waarom_nok@my-deja.com wrote:   H > I am making an header-files out of an analysation of a message object. > This works OK. > 
 > But now:G > The object is in a library, so I can extract it from library, analyse H > it and afterwards delete it OR just analyse the object from within the
 > library. > < > Now I read in the help that this syntax should do the job: > D > analyse /object OBJECT_LIBRARY /include=OBJECT /output=ANALYSE.LIS >  > but the only thing I get is: > + > "-LBR-W-TYPMISMCH, library type mismatch"   E if it begins with a dash, it is certainly NOT the only thing you get. E what is the preceding line, which i assume begins with a percentsign?   0 > Is there somebody that got this thing working.8 > If you can explain why he keeps yelling at me, thanks.  D the token OBJECT_LIBRARY point to a valid library, but not an object@ library.  it must be either text or macro or help.  for example:  A $ anal/object sys$help:sysgen.hlb /include=zqsmg /output=foo2.tmp I %ANALYZE-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP]SYSGEN.HLB;1 as input ' -LBR-W-TYPMISMCH, library type mismatch  $    ok dpm  --  3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/ - systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.com C                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal) C COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:13:38 -0400 & From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: analysing object libraries 6 Message-ID: <RQdr5.1132$V91.62056@weber.videotron.net>  H Dunno what your problem might be. Unless of course your library is not a .OLB  L $ analyse /object src:ctrlib_alpha.olb /include=ctrp0010std    /output=f.LISL %ANALYZE-I-ERRORS, IVA$DEV:[SOURCES]CTRLIB_ALPHA.OLB;2 CTRP0010STD         0 errors   Syltrem   ) <waarom_nok@my-deja.com> wrote in message # news:8oja2t$j8c$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  > Hello, > H > I am making an header-files out of an analysation of a message object. > This works OK. > 
 > But now:G > The object is in a library, so I can extract it from library, analyse H > it and afterwards delete it OR just analyse the object from within the
 > library. > < > Now I read in the help that this syntax should do the job: > D > analyse /object OBJECT_LIBRARY /include=OBJECT /output=ANALYSE.LIS >  > but the only thing I get is: > + > "-LBR-W-TYPMISMCH, library type mismatch"  >  > 0 > Is there somebody that got this thing working.8 > If you can explain why he keeps yelling at me, thanks. > 
 > Norbert. >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 21:04:17 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: analysing object libraries 6 Message-ID: <8ojssh$9bo$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  H In article <8oja2t$j8c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, waarom_nok@my-deja.com writes:G :I am making an header-files out of an analysation of a message object.  :This works OK.   B   It's also the hard way -- there's a freely-available easier way.  #   Get GNM and SDL off the Freeware.   F   GNM lets you have one source file that generates SDML and MSG files.  D   SDML can be run through DOCUMENT to produce the error messages andH   recovery documentation in various formats such as HTML and Postscript.;   (If you don't have DOCUMENT, you can ignore this file...)   G   MSG files are run through the MESSAGE compiler to produce the message G   object file and the message pointer file (or both together, if you do G   not want a separate message file), and (more importantly) the MESSAGE 7   compiler can also generate an SDL file (MESSAGE/SDL).   D   An SDL file can be used to generate include files for a variety ofF   languages.  SDL/VMS_DEV/C_DEV/LANGUAGE=C is the typical command used   for OpenVMS include files.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:57:03 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: Another perspective on anti-spam = Message-ID: <jGdr5.15798$pu4.1134163@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   8 "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote in message" news:39AD3C9E.76379A9D@ohio.edu... > I think he meant >  >     http://www.spamcop.net/  >  >                 RDP   " Indeed he did! Sorry 'bout that...   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:40:23 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)& Subject: Re: Any comments on the CETS?3 Message-ID: <LY$gRrvmTHMV@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   , In article <loW6DV6zRYeY@eisner.decus.org>, 8     	kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: [...] E > From a participant's process it leaves something to be desired. The L > registration process for those of us who must pay via something other thanL > personal credit card (i.e. company PO etc) was painful to say the least. IG > think Im registered, and have a hotel, but I'm not yet 100% sure. And 9 > probably won't be until I get there and see fro myself.   !         Same here, what you said.   G         I've been using a direct line (not the 800 number) to talk with F     a person named Lorri (or Lorrie or Lory...whatever, a very helpfulI     person), and each time I've called, things seem to be under control.  H     But the last time I called, to make sure I got into L.A. on SaturdayG     evening rather than Monday evening (would've hated to miss both the H     Sunday and MOnday seminars!), she said I'get get e-mail notificationF     within a few days.  I think it's been almost two weeks ago now, no4     e-mail.  Guess it's time to ring her up again...           -Ken F.  --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 18:51:05 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Any comments on the CETS?+ Message-ID: <KtUaYLOGOYTE@eisner.decus.org>    In article <LY$gRrvmTHMV@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:  I >         I've been using a direct line (not the 800 number) to talk with H >     a person named Lorri (or Lorrie or Lory...whatever, a very helpfulK >     person), and each time I've called, things seem to be under control.  J >     But the last time I called, to make sure I got into L.A. on SaturdayI >     evening rather than Monday evening (would've hated to miss both the J >     Sunday and MOnday seminars!), she said I'get get e-mail notificationH >     within a few days.  I think it's been almost two weeks ago now, no6 >     e-mail.  Guess it's time to ring her up again...  @ After I registered (by phone, since the web thing did not work),A they called me (I asked them not to, and did not leave my number) > to say they would be mailing a confirmation package (like they# said they would when I registered).    So far they have not.   B There was a letter today saying that by the end of August I should@ sign up for Interactive something-or-other using the information. they would send me confirming my registration.  @ If they charge my credit card I will carry a copy of the bill as? evidence of registration, but I guess I will write to the hotel - separately if nothing comes in the next week.    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 15:39:36 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)& Subject: Re: Any comments on the CETS?3 Message-ID: <M0YTvT0gSycq@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   , In article <KtUaYLOGOYTE@eisner.decus.org>, @     	Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:6 > In article <LY$gRrvmTHMV@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, [     	Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:  > J >>         I've been using a direct line (not the 800 number) to talk withI >>     a person named Lorri (or Lorrie or Lory...whatever, a very helpful L >>     person), and each time I've called, things seem to be under control. K >>     But the last time I called, to make sure I got into L.A. on Saturday J >>     evening rather than Monday evening (would've hated to miss both theK >>     Sunday and MOnday seminars!), she said I'get get e-mail notification I >>     within a few days.  I think it's been almost two weeks ago now, no 7 >>     e-mail.  Guess it's time to ring her up again...  > B > After I registered (by phone, since the web thing did not work),C > they called me (I asked them not to, and did not leave my number) @ > to say they would be mailing a confirmation package (like they% > said they would when I registered).  >  > So far they have not.   H         Well I did ring up  Lorrie  after  posting,  and she was able toH     tickle  the  system and get an e-mail confirmation out to me  withinH     about 10 minutes.  It even had the correct  dates!   Not  bad  after     waiting for two weeks!  H         I'd suggest that  anyone  else  who  is  unsure  of  their hotelH     reservations  and/or  CETS registration dial up the good  people  atH     (800) 236-7957 or (636) 827-5961.  They should be able to straightenH     things out for you.  I'd not count to heavily  on  a  response  fromH     cets2000@travelhq.com  though.   Near  as  I can tell, that's a bit-%     bucket cum CETS-spam source.  ;-)            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 21:40:22 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Any comments on the CETS?+ Message-ID: <8PhKcaaEda8J@eisner.decus.org>    In article <M0YTvT0gSycq@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:  J >         Well I did ring up  Lorrie  after  posting,  and she was able toJ >     tickle  the  system and get an e-mail confirmation out to me  withinJ >     about 10 minutes.  It even had the correct  dates!   Not  bad  after >     waiting for two weeks! > J >         I'd suggest that  anyone  else  who  is  unsure  of  their hotelJ >     reservations  and/or  CETS registration dial up the good  people  atJ >     (800) 236-7957 or (636) 827-5961.  They should be able to straightenJ >     things out for you.  I'd not count to heavily  on  a  response  fromJ >     cets2000@travelhq.com  though.   Near  as  I can tell, that's a bit-' >     bucket cum CETS-spam source.  ;-)   - Does anyone have a mailing address for CETS ? 2 They don't seem to admit to one on their glossies.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:18:07 -0400 3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com> 6 Subject: Re: Apache CGI script output - 1.3.12 July 126 Message-ID: <8ojmmp$8nu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D Version 1.3.12 of Apache on VMS includes a rewrite of mod_cgi to fixK numerous problems. A result of the rewrite is that some of the vms specific L features that were there in 1.3.9 are no longer there. To output binary data: from a script open SYS$OUTPUT in binary mode. For example:(    outfile = fopen("SYS$OUTPUT:", "wb");%    fwrite (buf, outsize, 1, outfile);i   Gaitan D'Antonib  COM for OpenVMS Technical Leader5 http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/dcom/ . Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderF http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html Compaq Computer Corporatione  C Mark Daniel wrote in message <39AC4D6C.B4339EA6@wasd.vsm.com.au>...eH >In the previous Apache BETA I had there appeared to be an extension CGIA >response header field that  allowed some control over the servereF >processing of records output from the script.  "X-vms-record-mode: 0"F >treated it as a binary stream (i.e. did not adjust carriage control).G >"X-vms-record-mode: 1" instructed the server to ensure each record hadtG >correct carriage control (allowing raw output from DCL commands, etc).e >eC >These do not appear to be available in this latest release, and ithF >appears to be permanently "stuck" in carriage-control-ensuring recordG >mode (it's difficult for developers to get a handle on such issues duei >to the absence of source).o >d> >It there something comparable in this latest release?  How isI >carriage-control by the server turned off?  How is a binary stream (suchM& >as a GIF image) output from a script? >  >TIA.B   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:21:24 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>e6 Subject: Re: Apache CGI script output - 1.3.12 July 12/ Message-ID: <39AD8FEC.7F06B9D3@wasd.vsm.com.au>    Thanks for the reply Gaitan,  H I had already experimented with what you are suggesting, and it does notE seem to be the case.  My investigation (monitoring the network streamoG being returned to the browser) shows each record returned by the scriptaD is having a <CR><LF> appended.  If it was the C-RTL doing the record$ munging I would expect only an <LF>.  F Here is a snippet of code to illustrate the point (works with the WASD server).  
 Compile using      $ CC/STAND=VAXC GIFOUT   $ LINK GIFOUTd4   $ COPY GIFOUT.EXE APACHE$ROOT:[CGI-BIN] /PROT=W:RE   Then access with something likep  7   http://the.host.name/cgi-bin/gifout.exe/apache_pb.gifo  ( /**************************************/ #include <stdlib.h>S #include <stdio.h> #include <errno.h> #include <fcntl.h> #include <unistd.h>r   main ()e   {s    int  retval,          gifFd;    char *gifFileName;)    char buffer [512];(  =    if ((gifFileName = getenv("WWW_PATH_TRANSLATED")) == NULL) <       if ((gifFileName = getenv("PATH_TRANSLATED")) == NULL)
          {             fprintf (stdout,2 "Content-Type: text/plain\n\nPATH_TRANSLATED?\n");             exit (0);C
          }  @    if ((gifFd = open (gifFileName, O_RDONLY, 0, "ctx=bin")) < 0)    {       fprintf (stdout,< "Content-Type: text/plain\n\nError opening %s, %%%08.08X\n",(                gifFileName, vaxc$errno);       exit (0);-    }  3    fprintf (stdout, "Content-Type: image/gif\n\n");   D    if ((stdout = freopen ("SYS$OUTPUT:", "w", stdout, "ctx=bin")) == NULL)u       exit (vaxc$errno);  >    while ((retval = read (gifFd, buffer, sizeof(buffer))) > 0))       fwrite (buffer, retval, 1, stdout);A      close (gifFd);  }c' **************************************/e   Gaitan D'Antoni wrote: > F > Version 1.3.12 of Apache on VMS includes a rewrite of mod_cgi to fixM > numerous problems. A result of the rewrite is that some of the vms specificaN > features that were there in 1.3.9 are no longer there. To output binary data< > from a script open SYS$OUTPUT in binary mode. For example:* >    outfile = fopen("SYS$OUTPUT:", "wb");' >    fwrite (buf, outsize, 1, outfile);n >  > Gaitan D'Antonii" > COM for OpenVMS Technical Leader7 > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/dcom/g0 > Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderH > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html > Compaq Computer Corporation  > E > Mark Daniel wrote in message <39AC4D6C.B4339EA6@wasd.vsm.com.au>...'J > >In the previous Apache BETA I had there appeared to be an extension CGIC > >response header field that  allowed some control over the serverxH > >processing of records output from the script.  "X-vms-record-mode: 0"H > >treated it as a binary stream (i.e. did not adjust carriage control).I > >"X-vms-record-mode: 1" instructed the server to ensure each record hadhI > >correct carriage control (allowing raw output from DCL commands, etc).- > >sE > >These do not appear to be available in this latest release, and it H > >appears to be permanently "stuck" in carriage-control-ensuring recordI > >mode (it's difficult for developers to get a handle on such issues duet > >to the absence of source).  > >a@ > >It there something comparable in this latest release?  How isK > >carriage-control by the server turned off?  How is a binary stream (such:( > >as a GIF image) output from a script? > >= > >TIA.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:22:52 -0400C- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> 3 Subject: Re: August 2000 edition of the OpenVMS FAQ . Message-ID: <sqqnmlqbc5d62@corp.supernews.com>  = Jim Agnew wrote in message <39AC1ECD.1FA6A5FF@hsc.vcu.edu>...  >Way cool!!!! thanks!!!! >...  & Wow, I never had that many "!" before!  > I did find that you should edit PART4.TXT and change the line;     MISC1 relocated to WIRES1t to     MISC1. relocated to WIRES1F before running the .COM. If anyone else tries the .COM and notices any7 problems then let me know and I'll see if I can fix it.B   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 14:01:17 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson).! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale * Message-ID: <8oji5d$ugo$1@lisa.gemair.com>  J In article <Pine.LNX.4.05.10008301627120.22191-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>,5 Christopher Smith  <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote:-( >On 30 Aug 2000, Jordan Henderson wrote: >1L >> Yes, you are confused.  Compaq marketing also promotes OpenVMS clustering$ >> as the most advanced available.   >3 >Where?5 >e  6 I could find any number of references, but here's one:  O http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/clusters/Clusters_Overview.htmlb  G >> Nowhere in any of those references that you quote will you find that]D >> Compaq or Microsoft are particularly promoting the shared-nothingB >> clustering of Windows 2000 as being highly advanced or the best >> way to cluster. > H >In support of andrew, here -- by marketing the stuff at all, the publicK >being as ignorant as it is, compaq is effectively tricking all of the phbstI >into believing that windows clustering *is* advanced.  The only way theyhK >could counter this would be to market both solutions side-by-side, toutings# >the VMS solution as more advanced.s >o >...but call me pessimistic. >E  F The Windows Scaleability Day demonstration that Andrew was referencingB wasn't about cluster technology, it was about Windows performance.  E Compaq was working with their biggest partner, Microsoft, in a flashy,F presentation aimed at positioning their joint product lines.  This was, not the place for a side-by-side comparison.  B When it comes down to it, it's all about winning new customers for@ Compaq.  Do you really believe that a side-by-side comparison ofD VMS clusters vs. MS clusters would win a lot of VMS customers?  I'veG seen several articles in the last few years in the trade press pointingaF out that VMS has the most advanced clustering available.  I doubt thatH this got many people on the phones clamoring for OpenVMS.  Neither wouldJ your comparison.  It might lose some Windows customers for Compaq, though.  H Andrew has one thing right.  What really sells systems is not clusteringD or performance or fast processors or even reliability, when it comesA down to it.  What really sells is applications, what can you _do_DB with the hardware/software being offerred.  Many people are of theC mindset that they can do more with Windows, DataCenter to palm-top, D compatible, familiar applications, standardizing on one environment C and that's what they are going to try to get.  Compaq is trying to nE serve this market, better than anyone else.  There's no conflict that E Compaq is also trying to serve markets with others who have different_ expectations and desires.a  D >> advanced clustering, but I understand that MS is working on that. >-< >I understand that MS is working on memory protection too ;) >hE >> Customers are asking for scaleable Windows solutions for a host of-< >> reasons and Compaq does provide these better than anyone. > G >Unfortunately, I have to question whether the customers know what theyrD >need.  I imagine they're just asking for scalable windows solutionsK >because they assume all computers run windows. (A bit of sarcasim there --aH >what I mean is that if there were other highly visible solutions, maybe/ >the customers would start asking for those...)  >n  ? You can hire Compaq Services to tell you what you need, Compaq  > marketing will tell you that it's any of a range of offerings.> Most people don't want to be told what they need, or they want to learn for themselves.  8 >> Spin, spin, misrepresentations, innuendo, lies, spin. >nK >Maybe this was spin, and maybe not, but it brings up the (very good) pointrK >that unless something is changed, the public will see windows "clustering"tE >and try to shoehorn that into places where it doesn't belong becauses >nobody knows about VMS. >nE >> Compaq spends their money where they can expect to get the largesteJ >> returns.  In case you haven't noticed, there's a huge market clammoring( >> for more scaleable Windows solutions. >nJ >Again, I think what that market really wants is a more scalable solution.C >The windows part being incidental, because they don't know better.n >m  H I don't agree.  I know of IS managers who are gung ho Windows, I know ofI some who are all about Unix, I've met a few who love mainframes.  I don'tmF know any who want a more scalable solution without regard to platform.  5 It's sad, but true, people tend to break up in camps.   J >On a final, very serious note, where can I find this VMS asvertising that$ >you mention?  I've seen none of it. >t  J Last year, there were ads in Wall Street Journal and a number of computingG magazines.  All of these ads mentioned reliability and scaleability.  IaH don't recall clustering being mentioned, but I don't remember seeing anyD MS ads that mention clustering either.  Clustering is something of a detail.-  G I have to admit that I haven't seen much lately.  I would imagine that -I Compaq analyzed the results and found that there wasn't much penetration.-C I don't meet too many IS managers who would be swayed much by such   advertising, do you? o  I I agree with the person who says that you should write to Compaq officers-@ and managers expressing the opinion that you'd like to see more  advertising for OpenVMS.  	 >Regards,C >a >Chris >K >FP >===============================================================================A >"My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)m> >Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer  >Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.& >-------------------------------------J >"Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andI >weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes < >and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >  >      -Jordan Hendersone jordan@greenapple.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:52:41 +0100cB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Saleo* Message-ID: <39AD49E9.9EFDB5A6@uk.sun.com>   Christopher Smith wrote:  ) > On 30 Aug 2000, Jordan Henderson wrote:n >hM > > Yes, you are confused.  Compaq marketing also promotes OpenVMS clusteringi# > > as the most advanced available.e >n > Where? >gH > > Nowhere in any of those references that you quote will you find thatE > > Compaq or Microsoft are particularly promoting the shared-nothing C > > clustering of Windows 2000 as being highly advanced or the best- > > way to cluster.0 >gI > In support of andrew, here -- by marketing the stuff at all, the public L > being as ignorant as it is, compaq is effectively tricking all of the phbsJ > into believing that windows clustering *is* advanced.  The only way theyL > could counter this would be to market both solutions side-by-side, touting$ > the VMS solution as more advanced. >l  ; That is the whole point. OpenVMS clustering is clearly morei< advanced than MS clustering and I for one would be much moreB confident about building a reliable scalable cluster using OpenVMS8 as the platform than NT/Win2000 but Compaq and Microsoft= would have you believe from their marketing/benchmark reportsi( that I would be making the wrong choice.  3 Look at what MS say about the benchmark that Compaqn	 paid for. 0 http://www.microsoft.com/SQL/productinfo/tpc.htm  > They refer to it everywhere in their SQL-Server literature andD it gives you the impression that you could build a large transaction@ system with it. But its a shared nothing system where almost all7 the "cluster" functionality is supplied buy SQL-Server.r  ; Who gave MS this ammunition none other than Compaq and they ? spend a load of money to do this. They had to run the benchmarkt= twice because TPC were not happy with the origional run, theyt= ran the benchmark on 4 different configurations each of which > under TPC-C rules would have to be built specifically for that@ benchmark they used a shared nothing architecture requiring much. greater setup/configuration costs etc etc etc.  C Let me quote you from MS's press release you will love it, BTW this I is after the second run of the benchmarks after the first result had been , rejected by TPC and Compaq had withdrawn it.  E "But like Rocky rising from the canvas to score a knockout, Microsofth> and Compaq have released new performance results that not onlyG address the TPC?s earlier concern but also exceed the earlier Microsoft K Compaq performance record and provide the industry's best price/performance  on clustered hardware."n  Q So Jordan please please don't bother trying to wriggle Compaq out of this. On one7> hand you have a couple of OpenVMS advocates who may or may notL work for Compaq advocating an OS based approach to providing scalability andL reliability in a clustered environment and on the other hand you have CompaqG spending a huge chunk of money to help Microsoft market an applications ' led approach to solving the same issue.i  B If Compaq were serious about proving OpenVMS's cluster scalabilityE they would have invested in a similar benchmark for OpenVMS clusters,nE the fact is they never have making the comparison with what they haver2 been prepared to do for win2000 even more damning.  J Put yourself in the position of a unknowing customer being sold an OpenVMSF cluster or an NT cluster. NT sales person says how can you buy OpenVMSL it does not scale, OpenVMS sales person says oh yes it does, NT sales person? says so show me some OpenVMS cluster TPC-C benchmark results oruE for that matter any standard benchmarks running on an OpenVMS clustervJ that demonstrate its scalability and while you are waiting for the OpenVMSM sales person here is a little light reading prepared by Microsoft and Compaq.t     Regardsd Andrew Harrisonv Enterprise IT Architectm   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 15:24:26 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Salea+ Message-ID: <hFD4F+eaowCv@eisner.decus.org>t  n In article <39AD409D.F6CBE4F@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > jgessling@yahoo.com wrote:  > > Uhhhh so how did Oracle OPS get to work with the OpenVMS DLMI > how do you re-start a process in a cluster if the node that the processoD > is on fails and recover the data that the process was using to theB > point where the process was on the node that failed ??????  What@ > happens to client connections how are they re-started/migrated > to a running node. > " > I will quote you Rob Youngs post > F >>By the way... "modified" is not correct.  Several large applications> >>were/are written with clusters in mind.  They just so happen& >>to run standalone also (DLM is DLM). >   D 	Careful, as we may not be contradicting each other.  I had an issue= 	whereby we took months to track down a locking problem in a pD 	database product that was written with Unicks in mind.  The problem: 	was that at sites with fseek ftell and friends you aren't> 	getting a true end of file in VMS whereby Unix somehow cheats? 	and routes writes and reads so you get a semblance of orderingrA 	(please don't pound me on technical end here.. I don't feel likea@ 	doing all the heavy lifting .. currently doing heavy lifting in; 	another more important thread ;-).  So what did it take totE 	get it to work VMS *standalone* ?  It took proper use of ENQ and DEQ)E 	(the DLM) to act as a wrapper.  Could it have been done differently?d@ 	Probably.  But it may have required a rewrite of important code? 	sections to get it right.. it was much easier to work with theo@ 	IFDEFFed VMS section and lock and unlock appropriately.  viola!  E 	Extending this to the current discussion... without a single furthertC 	modification that would have then dropped in a cluster environment)F 	and worked like a charm with numerous VMS nodes hammering.  Actually,? 	because of the Unix centric nature (I am Unix hear me roar) itaC 	would have never happened.  But regardless, the VMS piece wouldn't2! 	have required a single touch up.6  A 	That is what I was getting at (the flavor of).  Sorry if it gavedC 	our VMS-centric friends the wrong impression.  Somehow I doubt it.    				Rob.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 14:48:11 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)r! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale.* Message-ID: <8ojktb$20g$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <39AD49E9.9EFDB5A6@uk.sun.com>,D Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >  >[snip]s > < >That is the whole point. OpenVMS clustering is clearly more= >advanced than MS clustering and I for one would be much moretC >confident about building a reliable scalable cluster using OpenVMSo9 >as the platform than NT/Win2000 but Compaq and Microsoftl> >would have you believe from their marketing/benchmark reports) >that I would be making the wrong choice.  >i  < Boy, is _that_ spin.  I don't see anything in those ads that? say anything else is the 'wrong choice'.  From one perspective,": all advertising is about telling you you'd be wrong to buy= anything else.  This being the case, I guess Compaq/MS shoulde> never advertise Windows as it's implicitly putting down all of$ the rest of the Compaq product line.  4 >Look at what MS say about the benchmark that Compaq
 >paid for.1 >http://www.microsoft.com/SQL/productinfo/tpc.htmg >,? >They refer to it everywhere in their SQL-Server literature andxE >it gives you the impression that you could build a large transaction A >system with it. But its a shared nothing system where almost all 8 >the "cluster" functionality is supplied buy SQL-Server. >e< >Who gave MS this ammunition none other than Compaq and they@ >spend a load of money to do this. They had to run the benchmark> >twice because TPC were not happy with the origional run, they> >ran the benchmark on 4 different configurations each of which? >under TPC-C rules would have to be built specifically for thatvA >benchmark they used a shared nothing architecture requiring muchr/ >greater setup/configuration costs etc etc etc.S >TD >Let me quote you from MS's press release you will love it, BTW thisJ >is after the second run of the benchmarks after the first result had been- >rejected by TPC and Compaq had withdrawn it.o >vF >"But like Rocky rising from the canvas to score a knockout, Microsoft? >and Compaq have released new performance results that not onlytH >address the TPC?s earlier concern but also exceed the earlier MicrosoftL >Compaq performance record and provide the industry's best price/performance >on clustered hardware." >a  H Well, they didn't say that it was the most advanced clustering solution,E just that it has the best price/performance on clustering hardware.     R >So Jordan please please don't bother trying to wriggle Compaq out of this. On one? >hand you have a couple of OpenVMS advocates who may or may notsM >work for Compaq advocating an OS based approach to providing scalability and M >reliability in a clustered environment and on the other hand you have CompaqeH >spending a huge chunk of money to help Microsoft market an applications( >led approach to solving the same issue. >eC >If Compaq were serious about proving OpenVMS's cluster scalabilityuF >they would have invested in a similar benchmark for OpenVMS clusters,F >the fact is they never have making the comparison with what they have3 >been prepared to do for win2000 even more damning.? >   A It's sad, but true, that Compaq would probably make more money on0? selling Win2000 solutions based on a scalability benchmark than = on any OpenVMS scalability benchmark that they could produce.-  ; It's about mindshare.  Had Compaq made a favorable OpenVMS s@ scaleability benchmark, then Sun marketeers would have gone into? overdrive (much as they are now probably, but less effectively,a; against the Compaq/MS benchmark) putting down OpenVMS as a e? "legacy" system with little application availability, etc. etc.n  K >Put yourself in the position of a unknowing customer being sold an OpenVMS G >cluster or an NT cluster. NT sales person says how can you buy OpenVMS M >it does not scale, OpenVMS sales person says oh yes it does, NT sales persons@ >says so show me some OpenVMS cluster TPC-C benchmark results orF >for that matter any standard benchmarks running on an OpenVMS clusterK >that demonstrate its scalability and while you are waiting for the OpenVMSeN >sales person here is a little light reading prepared by Microsoft and Compaq. >   F This is a good point.  It's an uphill battle for the OpenVMS salesman,	 no doubt.    >e >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect >' >n >    -Jordan Hendersond jordan@greenapple.comu   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:32:03 +0000 (   )t3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>t! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer SalerJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10008301859250.22191-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ' On 30 Aug 2000, Jordan Henderson wrote:a  H > The Windows Scaleability Day demonstration that Andrew was referencingD > wasn't about cluster technology, it was about Windows performance.  G > Compaq was working with their biggest partner, Microsoft, in a flashyuH > presentation aimed at positioning their joint product lines.  This was. > not the place for a side-by-side comparison.  I Point taken, but if they're selling the windows "clustering," they shouldwE compare and contrast it more with their other options, IMO.  That way J people get a well-rounded idea of where each product stands with regard to the others.r  D > When it comes down to it, it's all about winning new customers forB > Compaq.  Do you really believe that a side-by-side comparison ofF > VMS clusters vs. MS clusters would win a lot of VMS customers?  I've  I That's an interesting question, and I can't answer without forcing you tonJ quantify "a lot." :)  No, I don't think that it will usher in a new heydayC of VMS usage, but I imagine that it will help the public's over-alltG perception of VMS, and then perhaps new prospective buyers will be morei open to the idea.i  I > seen several articles in the last few years in the trade press pointing,H > out that VMS has the most advanced clustering available.  I doubt thatJ > this got many people on the phones clamoring for OpenVMS.  Neither wouldL > your comparison.  It might lose some Windows customers for Compaq, though.  G Well, again, it's not so much about getting people to call right up andt0 order a VMS machine as to get mindshare for VMS.  J > Andrew has one thing right.  What really sells systems is not clusteringF > or performance or fast processors or even reliability, when it comesC > down to it.  What really sells is applications, what can you _do_   C ...but that's an argument about another defficiency alltogether. :)   D > with the hardware/software being offerred.  Many people are of theE > mindset that they can do more with Windows, DataCenter to palm-top,oF > compatible, familiar applications, standardizing on one environment E > and that's what they are going to try to get.  Compaq is trying to eG > serve this market, better than anyone else.  There's no conflict thateG > Compaq is also trying to serve markets with others who have differentn > expectations and desires.   G I'm not exactly sure whether there's a conflict -- for instance, I hearnI that the intel-pushing salespeople in compaq are still the majority...  IsF would be more sure that there was no conflict there if I'd heard aboutI unbiased sales representatives who actually have the best interest of thefJ customer in mind... Keep in mind that this is second hand information -- I% welcome any that might contradict it.   L > >Again, I think what that market really wants is a more scalable solution.E > >The windows part being incidental, because they don't know better.s  J > I don't agree.  I know of IS managers who are gung ho Windows, I know ofK > some who are all about Unix, I've met a few who love mainframes.  I don'tuH > know any who want a more scalable solution without regard to platform.  H As you said above -- what really sells is applications.  If people couldA get the same applications with (incidentally) more reliability byhF purchasing a VMS system over something else, they would. (Or they'd be stupid not to. :)i  A Yes, people have their biases, but often those are the product ofwA advertising to an extent (especially a bias for windows... ), andl  generally those can be overcome.  I What I'm saying is that people don't normally say "I want a computer thatrI runs windows," but instead "I want a computer that does N -- hey, doesn't  windows do N?"  7 > It's sad, but true, people tend to break up in camps.h  J Yes, but you'd be suprised -- or not -- how much the general perception ofF some system can cause people to either camp around it, or go somewhere else...n  I > magazines.  All of these ads mentioned reliability and scaleability.  I,J > don't recall clustering being mentioned, but I don't remember seeing anyF > MS ads that mention clustering either.  Clustering is something of a	 > detail.t  5 That would certainly be enough if it were consistant.   I > I have to admit that I haven't seen much lately.  I would imagine that gK > Compaq analyzed the results and found that there wasn't much penetration.hE > I don't meet too many IS managers who would be swayed much by such a > advertising, do you? o  H Unfortunately, yes.  Maybe I've come in contact with all the wrong ones,9 but most of the ones that I meet are all about the latest=# whatever-is-in-the-magazines-today.    Regards,   Christ  O ===============================================================================)@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W ProgrammerN Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.m% -------------------------------------iI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and-H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------,   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:51:33 GMTd  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer SaleD8 Message-ID: <sisqqsko6jdefjqvb00hbvmcpgvbvmg9u7@4ax.com>  ? Well, my sig says I'm not speaking for Compaq... so that shoulda0 absolve me of any need to follow the hymn sheet.  = OTOH, I've seen some of the stuff they're doing with high-end?D Intel/Windows servers, and I'm suitably impressed.   But I still put= my on-call pager up against theirs any day (i.e., I'll bet myeA VMScluster has fewer problems that require me to be interrupted).v@ I've run NT servers (Prioris and Proliant) in the past, and I've< always felt it was a step backward.  But when customers wantF something, and we're willing to sell it to them, it certainly behooves' us to market our solutions to the hilt.*      E On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:23:47 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyh! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:    >MG >I am confused here, you seem to work for Compaq or thats what your SigtM >implies and the same appears to be the case with Jim. So why are both of you E >arguing that it should all be part of the OS. Do you realise how outS) >of line you are with Compaqs top brass ?q >dG >Look where Compaq is spending its money on benchmarking and marketing.iI >The most recent and most costly cluster benchmark ever run by Compaq was Q >done on NT using a shared nothing architecture where almost all the "clustering"m1 >was effected by MS SQL-Server and not by the OS.  >e > [snip...]t >vC >But that is precisely the solution that Compaq would have everyonemD >believe is the future of reliable scalable datacenter computing. NT@ >"clusters" with SQL-Server. If you don't work for Compaq then IE >appologise for aiming this at you, if you do then I suggest that youd( >start reading the corporate hymn sheet. > B >BTW I agree with you in the sense that I think that the OS shouldG >provide a foundation for clustering I just find it amusing that anyoneoB >from Compaq could really be arguing in favour of this because its) >not where they are spending their money.r >e >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect >y >f  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqs- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:00:31 -0400B' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>c! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Salep( Message-ID: <8ojsfe$3j3$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message$ news:8oj2rj$c8b$1@lisa.gemair.com..., > In article <39ACE0B2.D59E333A@uk.sun.com>,F > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:   ...o  I > >I am confused here, you seem to work for Compaq or thats what your Sig K > >implies and the same appears to be the case with Jim. So why are both ofa youcG > >arguing that it should all be part of the OS. Do you realise how outd+ > >of line you are with Compaqs top brass ?a > >  >nK > Yes, you are confused.  Compaq marketing also promotes OpenVMS clustering ! > as the most advanced available.s  I I suspect that Andrew is not in fact confused but is just having a littleiJ fun at VMS's expense.  The fact that Compaq is far more intent on shoutingL the praises of NT/Win2K capabilities, including its primitive clustering, toL the world than the capabilities of NSK and Tru64, let alone poor old VMS, isK inarguable by anyone who is paying attention to Compaq's advertising, pressy releases, and Web presence.O   >SF > Nowhere in any of those references that you quote will you find thatC > Compaq or Microsoft are particularly promoting the shared-nothingnA > clustering of Windows 2000 as being highly advanced or the bests > way to cluster.i  I The first reference says, about the Win2K Datacenter product and program,nH "The primary objective of the program is to provide the highest level ofD reliability, scalability and serviceability for line-of-business andF e-commerce solutions."  And, "For the first time, customers can have aJ solution that combines the economics of an industry-standard platform withH the absolute highest-end performance and reliability that was previously< only available through far more costly proprietary systems."  J My reading of those sentiments must be different from yours:  I'd say theyK clearly (try to) position Win2K Datacenter as an equal to the best the restoH of the industry has to offer, not just "Gee, it's really good!", as your statement below indicates.   >hC > What they are saying, very effectively, is that you can get quiterC > excellent price performance and performance on commodity hardwareYD > with MS-SQL Server.  These solutions do not, today, feature highlyC > advanced clustering, but I understand that MS is working on that.t   ...p  D > >BTW I agree with you in the sense that I think that the OS shouldI > >provide a foundation for clustering I just find it amusing that anyonetD > >from Compaq could really be arguing in favour of this because its+ > >not where they are spending their money.  > >t >wD > Compaq spends their money where they can expect to get the largest
 > returns.  I The perplexing thing (at least from the viewpoint of people interested inoG VMS's future) is that Compaq *doesn't* spend their money where they cankL expect to get the largest returns, but rather where they're getting small orJ even negative returns (e.g., consumer and business PCs).  Putting togetherL figures from diverse sources suggests (strongly) that VMS accounted for overH 1/3 of Compaq's *total* corporate profit last year (though a far smallerI percentage of total revenue) - despite having been actively denigrated by H DEC for most of the '90s and treated at best neutrally by its new parent when Compaq took over.  G Even today, in VMS's so-called 'renaissance', Compaq isn't spending anycK significant money *promoting* it (especially when compared with the fundingeJ devoted to Windows products, but it's likely significantly less than Tru64G and NSK as well) - while VMS profits continue to pour in, and with even L moderate encouragement (like, some kind of *undeniable* evidence - as provenJ by *real* expenditures - that Compaq took its future seriously) might well increase substantially.o  ?   In case you haven't noticed, there's a huge market clammoring-' > for more scaleable Windows solutions.:  J That's certainly what Microsoft would have us believe, but real purchasersL seem to be holding back a bit to see whether Win2K really matches the claimsF MS has made for it.  So far, the evidence seems to be that it does notJ (though it may be a major step up from NT), and customers appear to remainK happy with non-Windows solutions in any applications requiring reliability,u availability, and scalability.  K And whether there will be huge profits to be made if and when Win2K maturesTJ in those areas is questionable:  it is, after all, a commodity OS, and theF only conspicuously generous profit associated with it seems to flow toI Microsoft, with hardware vendors competing too vigorously on price to getgI anything like the margins high-end systems enjoy today.  Indeed, from theoJ viewpoint of profitability, Compaq may well be better off if Win2K *never** grows up (and Linux too, for that matter).   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:53:18 GMT + From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com.nospam>a@ Subject: Buying CPQ, was Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <39ADC933.E613039E@wi.rr.com.nospam>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  L > > I've never heard of a broker who'll accept orders less than about $5,000
 > > or so.  L Baloney.  You can open an account with E-trade or Ameritrade with a starting balance much smaller than that.W  J > My wife buys small amounts of stock through Dividend Reinvestment Plans.7 > I am certain that Compaq stock is available this way.c  H Yes, Compaq has a Dividend Reinvestment Plan (DRiP).  But my handy-dandyD "Moneypaper Guide to Dividend Reinvestment Plans" says that the feesL for that plan are very high.  After you get started in the DRiP, future cash@ purchases are subject to a service charge of $5 plus $.04/share.? OUCH!!!!  Minimum purchase is $50.  So if you send in $50, theyl@ take $5-and-change off the top and you only purchase $44 dollarsD worth of CPQ.  Isn't that a 10% service fee?  You need to stick with+ DRiPs that don't have nasty fees like this.c  G I currently invest in ten different DRiPs.  Only one has a service fee.a: The rest have no fees or the fees are paid by the company.  9 For people curious about DRiPs, go to www.moneypaper.com. Q Also, feel free to email me directly.  I've used the Moneypaper's DRiP enrollment " service to start most of my DRiPs.  A As for getting started in CPQ, you'd need to send in $35 to cover 6 the price of one share and $20 for the Moneypaper fee.  @ > I suppose you should buy now, as the price seems to be rising.  T It's not 'timing the market', it's the 'time in the market' that will make you rich.( Dollar cost averaging and all that.  ;^)  + -Scott, fibre channel plumber, DRiPper  :^)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:31:22 -0400u7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com>dY Subject: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Centrall2 Message-ID: <8okjhc$ggf$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>  L Note you will competing against over 2000 other registered attendees at thisK point.  Assuming registration continues growing at the current rate it willmL be over 5,000 by the time of Symposium.  These are full conference attendees. and does not include Tradeshow only attendees.  3 You must be registered to sign up for a workshop...a    E =====================================================================v   ----- Original Message -----A From: "Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium Travel Headquarters"  <CETS2000@travelhq.com>  To:e& Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:57 PM8 Subject: Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium Scheduler     Dear xxxx xxxxxxxxx,  J We would like to remind you that our Conference Scheduling Program becomesI available online beginning at noon (Central Time) on Thursday, August 31. H You can view the entire updated agenda, including all technical breakout, sessions and Hands-on Interactive Workshops.  L You MUST use the scheduling program to sign up for your Hands-on InteractiveG Workshop.  Although we have arranged for more workshops than last year, J seating is limited.   Don't miss out.  SIGN UP FOR YOUR WORKSHOP OF CHOICEG AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and schedule your other conference sessions.   YourtE conference badge will be swiped to allow you access to your scheduledR Hands-on Interactive Workshop.  A To access the Conference Scheduler visit the Conference Web Site:l   www.cets2000.com  L Click on the link entitled Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here on the) main menu.  Instructions are on the site.   B Use the information below to schedule sessions and/or register for
 workshops:   User ID: xxxx-xxxxxxxo   Password: xxxxxxx   - Confirmation Code  (Session ID):  xxxxxxxxxxxi  H PLEASE DISREGARD ANY PREVIOUS CONFIRMATION CODE INFORMATION YOU MAY HAVE- RECEIVED AND USE THE CONFIRMATION CODE ABOVE.   K The scheduling application can also help plan your schedule for the week bysF juggling breakouts, workshops and other sessions to find the best fit.F Please note that, unlike the Hands-on Interactive Workshops, technicalJ breakout sessions are "open" seating and do not require reservations.  ButK please include them as part of your schedule for your planning convenience.o  J Please print your schedule once you have completed the scheduling process.L If you need to make changes or print a schedule onsite at the symposium, youJ may do so at the Connecting Points Stations in strategic places throughout" the Los Angeles Convention Center.  - We look forward to seeing you in Los Angeles.n  * Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium Team  2 Questions:  Email us at:  Information@CETS2000.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:33:51 -0400 7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com>s1 Subject: CETS2000 - Important Content Informationl2 Message-ID: <8okjn6$8vf$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>  $ (detailed session information below)   Dear Fellow IT professional:  6 I want to give you my personal viewpoint about the new: Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium. As a full member of; the Executive Core Team for this event, I have been working,: hand-in-hand with Compaq as well as other DECUS members to7 help shape this conference to help meet your needs. Then9 last 9 months have been a whirlwind of activity, building ! this new conference from scratch.t  3 As you know by now, the Compaq Enterprise Technicalt5 Symposium is bringing together the technologists from_6 DECUS, the NT Wizards community, Compaq's field SE and9 Accredited SE programs, and the Compaq Solutions Allianceo: program to create something very special.  The watch words8 we all live by are "whatever maximizes technical content: for the attendees."  This is more than a guiding principal6 but instead a credo that is driving everything that is8 created for this Symposium.  What has happened is magic!  6 I have attended DECUS and NT Wizards Symposia for many9 years and I would have to go back to the 1980's to find ao8 Symposium that encompassed both the depth and breadth of9 technology that you will find at this Symposium the firsts9 week of October in Los Angeles.  If you want to spend alle: of your time going to nothing but Tru64 sessions, you will; have more sessions to choose from than time slots available 8 in the day.  The same is true for OVMS and Windows 2000.; You could spend the entire week just attending StorageWorksn9 or AlphaServer sessions.  This Symposium could completelya; consume your week going to developer sessions on Java, C++,n; middleware, cross platform, Oracle, or SQL.  There are over.9 30 tracks (see below) with hundreds of sessions to choose  from!w  8 The only downside is that, because of the vast number of5 sessions, we are about a month late in publishing thew; Symposium details.  The list of tracks and sessions will bey2 available on the web site by 8/28/2000.  That will9 represent 98 percent of the sessions because we are stillu5 adding more.  However, what we have already scheduled(8 exceeds what has been available at Symposia in the past.  8 Am I excited - you bet!  This letter only touches on the8 surface the rich depth of technical content that will be: available.  Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium is going: to be like DECUS Symposia were in the 1980's.  In addition8 to your choices for technical breakout sessions, you can; attend hands-on workshops, spend time with Compaq engineersb8 in the Living Lab technical center, meet with vendors in4 the Exposition Hall, network with each other in many3 informal settings, and have some fun at the eveninge activities.   4 I can assure you, this conference is going to be the; technologist's dream, where all the major technologies wille: be covered in-depth at one place.  It is going to be a big9 win for the managers.  They will find that the folks they 7 send to this Symposium will come back with a great jump ; start on the problems they need to solve over the next 6-12 9 months.  I can say to you with great pride -- whether yout9 are a DECUS member or an NT Wizards attendee --  you willS8 find much more of what you have ever experienced at past2 Symposia at this years Compaq Enterprise Technical; Symposium.  It will be the type of experience where, at thea9 end of the week, you will return exhausted from absorbingz8 all the technical material available to you.  The number7 one issue that folks will have is that they didn't have=8 time to get to all the sessions they were interested in.  8 Come join me and thousands of extremely knowledgeable IT9 professionals in LA to meet with Compaq's engineers.  You-2 will not be disappointed - you have my word on it!   Tracks and Topicsd) -----------------------------------------o AlphaServer  Application Developmentl Client Computing Database Solution1 Domino	 eBusinessr	 eCommerce  Enterprise Management- Exchange	 GroupWise- High Availability & Clustering$ High Performance Technical Computing Industry Standard Servers3 Internet IT Infrastructurem Linux  Messaging & Collaborationc
 Middleware Mobile/Wireless  Multi Platform NetWaref Networks NonStop Kernel/Himalayae OpenVMSg Oracle/Oracle 8i SCO UnixWare Security
 SQL Server Storagee Strategy &  Planning# Systems Administration/Optimizationo Systems Architecture Systems Management
 Tru64 UNIX Windows NT/2000d  1 Detailed Session information is now available at:l  9 www.compaq.com/events/cets2000/download/ContentUpdate.pdft    7 For questions about CETS-2000 visit www.CETS2000.com or'; send email to Information@CETS2000.com. When registering ase8 DECUS for this conference at www.CETS2000.com please use RSVP code D5331.     Kristi Browder2 U.S. DECUS Executive Sponsor for Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium 2000 Kristi.Browder@CETS2000.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:28:37 GMT.- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)e Subject: Re: COM for OpenVMS. Message-ID: <sqqkilkec5d13@news.supernews.com>  ) Bruin@WT.TNO.NL (Bruin, J.M. de) wrote in 7 <D680D25E5D2BD411AC060008C7F37BC24892@wt15.wt.tno.nl>: e  
 >Hi there, >o> >I'm asked to look into the possibilities of using an existingH >application (Fortran as it is, but this could be converted into C++) to/ >communicate with DLL's or program on a NT box.aH >I came across COM for OpenVMS and was wondering if anyone out there hasF >had any experience in using this for application development and whatG >effort is needed to 'convert' an application from getting data locally : >to getting the information remotely/direct form a NT-box. >a >To be more precise:H >the current application uses calls to the IEZ-11 SCSI to IEEE convertorI >to get data through an IEEE connection from a data-acquisition unit. NowiH >they want to make use of hardware linked to a PC running an applicationD >that uses DLL's for the communication with those devices (connectedB >through a TCP/IP link). You could suggest to directly link to theD >data-acquisition unit through TCP/IP, but then I've have update theH >software every time there is an upgrade of the hardware/firmware. UsingI >the DLL's has the advantage of being independent of the firmware as this G >will be handeld by the DLL's. Only changes in the calling of the DLL's ? >will have to end up in changing the code on the OpenVMS side. c >u! >Any respons will be appreciated.e >g >Mark8 >fJ >-------------------------------------------------------------------------I >-- Mark de Bruin                                   Voice : +31 15 269 693I >05 TNO Crash Safety Centre Laboratories            Fax   : +31 15 257 21nI >04 Innovations, Communication & Information        GSM   : +31 653 44 21o= >45   Room: GBS 1.1                                   E-mail:hH >bruin@wt.tno.nl P.O. Box 6033                                   URL   : >http://www.automotive.tno.nls8 >2600 JA Delft  The Netherlands                          >http://www.tno.nl a >c >u   Mark,p  G This might be a good application for Compaq's BridgeWorks product.  It lL specifically addresses NT / VMS COM communications - although in your case, G the NT box seems to be playing the role of "server", which might twist  @ things into a strange shape.  Check out this link for more info:  K http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/bridgeworks/bridgeworks_index.htmln     ws   --  J << My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do I  >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:26:51 -0700t2 From: Todd Wipke <wipke@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu>+ Subject: Decstation 3000/300 trouble lightsh5 Message-ID: <39AD7C1B.4A2F@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu>n  = I have a Decstation 3000/300 alpha workstation which fails to ? boot.  The diagnostic lights show 1111 1010, but I can not findj= my owner's manual or any online copy of same to translate thebB code to an indication of what the problem might be.  Could someoneD please email me the translation.  Leave out the nospam in the return address.  Thanks in advance. -Todd Wipked   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:50:51 -0700a2 From: Todd Wipke <wipke@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu>/ Subject: Re: Decstation 3000/300 trouble lightsg4 Message-ID: <39AD81BB.A82@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu>   Todd Wipke wrote:t > ? > I have a Decstation 3000/300 alpha workstation which fails tofA > boot.  The diagnostic lights show 1111 1010, but I can not findo? > my owner's manual or any online copy of same to translate theyD > code to an indication of what the problem might be.  Could someoneF > please email me the translation.  Leave out the nospam in the return > address.  Thanks in advance.
 > -Todd WipkecB To clarify it is a DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP and the error code is FA= in hexidecimal.  The owner's manual does not translate these.O$ Anybody know what the code FA means? -Todd (remove nospam)i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:47:38 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Re: Decstation 3000/300 trouble lights L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3008002347380001@user-2ivec1r.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <39AD81BB.A82@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu>, wipke@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu wrote:e   > Todd Wipke wrote:e > > A > > I have a Decstation 3000/300 alpha workstation which fails tonC > > boot.  The diagnostic lights show 1111 1010, but I can not find A > > my owner's manual or any online copy of same to translate thetF > > code to an indication of what the problem might be.  Could someoneH > > please email me the translation.  Leave out the nospam in the return  > > address.  Thanks in advance. > > -Todd Wipke D > To clarify it is a DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP and the error code is FA? > in hexidecimal.  The owner's manual does not translate these.n& > Anybody know what the code FA means?    F By some strange coincidence, I carried the DEC 3000 Model 300/300L AXP( "Hardware Reference Guide" home tonight.  G First, it refers me to the "Service Guide" for a complete list of codes 6 and their meanings.  Rats.  I don't have one of those.  E But I also brought my DEC 3000 300/400/500/600/700/800/900 AXP ModelsoE "System Programmer's Manual".  Chapter 14, Powerup Initialization ands$ Firmware Entry, may have the answer.  2 Table 46, 3000 Model SROM Power-On Sequence, says:6 (These are in order, but I'm skipping the early ones.) LED code: FD" Activity: Memory sizing completed.E Meaning:  No memory detected or memory failure. Trap to mini console.o   LED code: FBI Activity: Initializing the 2 MB test range of memory to zeros.  Executing J           first of three memory tests.  Bcache references off. Dcache off.! Meaning:  Not coded to stop here.i   LED code: FAE Activity: Completed first of three memory tests.  Executing second ofmA           three memory tests.  Bcache references on.  Dcache off. C Meaning:  Memory test failure.  Fatal error.  Trap to mini console.r  I So I think your system got past FD, and had trouble with either FB or FA.mM That must mean that the first memory test passed, but the second one did not.e  J The difference is that the Bcache was enabled in the second test.  I thinkJ you have a memory error or a sickly Bcache.  I would check that memory is H connected properly.  Remove and carefully re-plug the memory SIMMs, onceI at a time, trying to restart the machine after each SIMM.  Does the errorP code change?  K The Bcache is the backup, or level 2, cache.  It is outside the 21064 chip,aJ but probably close by.  I guess it might be on the system module.  I don'tG know if it is 1 chip or several.  It might be in a socket.  Maybe it is E missing, sick, or not well connected.  We'd probably need the servicerB manual for definitive information.  I can open up an idle 3000-300D tomorrow and try to locate the bcache if you want.  If you're lucky,6 it's as simple as re-seating a loose chip in a socket.  D The mini-console is "reserved for digital".  I think it is a programF that lets the CPU chip talk to the outside through the SROM interface E pins.  I don't know what is says or how to connect to it. Again, thisc might be in the service manual.H      Hope that helps.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:44:35 -0400 & From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Direct I/O increase6 Message-ID: <Rher5.1149$V91.63821@weber.videotron.net>  K Try a convert#fdl. If your index is badly fragmented you will get that kindbK of problems. Reading sequentially the next record can take 5 minutes if the E index is really, really bad. RMS has to read tons of index records toe finally get to your record.m   SyltremR  L <d_richarz@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8oij65$ond$1@nnrp1.deja.com...J > Since a couple of days we recognize a high increase of direct I/O in oneF > particular process that collects data from a database and produces aG > text-based data collection for another program on an external system.v >gC > Although no further database or file access was added to the datae	 collector-L > program the number of direct I/Os increased from about 250000 to more than 6iH > million. The amount of data itself even decreased during that time. OfI > course, the general performance of the program gets worse and worse (15k min.H > total runtime before, now up to 80 min. because of the large number of I/O).e >tG > All the other parameter shown (peak memory sizes, buffered I/Os, paget faultsD > etc.) after the process' termination are about the same as before. >lL > Has anybody ever recognized a similar behaviour ? Any hint or advice would be > appreciated. >i > Sincerelyo > Dirk Richarz% > Corus Aluminium Hot Rolled Products= > Koblenz, Germany >= >=( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.T   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:19:28 -0400e* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Direct I/O increase- Message-ID: <39ADC0B0.C448C100@tsoft-inc.com>e   d_richarz@my-deja.com wrote: > J > Since a couple of days we recognize a high increase of direct I/O in oneF > particular process that collects data from a database and produces aG > text-based data collection for another program on an external system.  > M > Although no further database or file access was added to the data collectorrN > program the number of direct I/Os increased from about 250000 to more than 6H > million. The amount of data itself even decreased during that time. OfN > course, the general performance of the program gets worse and worse (15 min.N > total runtime before, now up to 80 min. because of the large number of I/O). > N > All the other parameter shown (peak memory sizes, buffered I/Os, page faultsD > etc.) after the process' termination are about the same as before. > O > Has anybody ever recognized a similar behaviour ? Any hint or advice would bes > appreciated.  I Hmmm,  about as good as the rather famous question "what have I got in my- pocket?"   What type of database? What type of access?  M Lets assume an RMS file, possibly indexed.  One key here is "data itself evenTH decreased".  Was a CONVERT done to insure a rather 'clean' internal file
 structure?  D Some more specific data would take some of the guessing out of this.   Dave   -- p4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 20:57:47 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail6 Message-ID: <8ojsgb$9bo$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  H In article <8oiqe2$7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, dawnmoreton@my-deja.com writes:K :...we have a requirement to forward Exchange e-mail onto our vax's either h  :via SMTP or FTP(into VMS mail).  K   You will need to work with somebody that can get your Microsoft Exchange aI   Server set up with a gateway that can chat SMTP, or that can set up thetJ   necessary entries in the global address list, or you can have the email I   itself delivered to and stored on OpenVMS and accessed via a Microsoft tI   or other client (various versions of Outlook Express can use POP3, for lH   instance), and support for IMAP and MAPI are available via the Compaq $   Office Server package for OpenVMS.  G   The particular Microsoft Exchange widget that you likely need to get eE   help with (as your question is somewhat ambiguous) is known as the  I   "SMTP Connector" or as the "Custom Recipient" -- and an OpenVMS-centriccE   newsgroup is not likely a common haunt of Microsoft Exchange gurus.e  E   Or you will want to get TCP/IP Services (for POP3) or Office Servert   loaded on OpenVMS...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:19:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution listi, Message-ID: <39AD5E32.670AC9C8@videotron.ca>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > This is not possible.r  G You can't forward to a distribution list, but you can re-direct it to am distribution list.  6 instead of using MAIL's "SET FORWARD", you can try to:  5 $DEFINE/SYSTEM JOHNDOE "@dev:[dir]mydistribution.dis"o  J Then, whenever someone sends mail to JOHNDOE, it actually gets sent to th= e  distribution list.  = However, you can still send to JOHNDOE by sending to _JOHNDOEs  J I am not entirely sure how the SMTP gateway handles this though for incom=
 ing messages.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:39:11 GMTr- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>n7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution listo( Message-ID: <39AD62D4.97DF6915@ohio.edu>  I My memory of the reason that this is impossible is that forwarding of VMSaI Mail must be able to be a DECNET mediated event, and this won't work withsH a distribution list:  it has no way to distinguish which addressees haveI succeeded, and which not, so it won't even let you try.  I think the codeu6 to prevent this was in place by V4.0, perhaps earlier.                           RDPh     pmart63@my-deja.com wrote:  E > I want to forward VMS mail messages to a distribution list (runninguE > OpenVMS(Alpha) V7.2-1) for a specific user and I've forgotten. I'vepH > created a distribution list i.e. TEST.DIS then do a a MAIL>SET FORWARDD > """@directory-name:DSD.dis""". Attempts to send mail result in the? > following error - %MAIL-E-USERSPEC invalid user specificationaD > '@DSD.DIS'. The file format looks OK. Any ideas as I've completely
 > forgotten ?n >l > PM.o >w( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.a   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:05:11 GMTy4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS= Message-ID: <XNdr5.15804$pu4.1134370@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>o  K Well, there's another way to lobby the Q re: OpenVMS. Buy a share or ten ofeL CPQ, then show up at the annual stockholders meeting (it helps to live in or( around Houston) and make yourself heard.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:20:50 -0500r- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>i0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS- Message-ID: <39AD7AB2.34BC5DA@fsi.net.mapson>s   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:T > M > Well, there's another way to lobby the Q re: OpenVMS. Buy a share or ten oft > CPQ,   How does one do that, Terry?  H I've never heard of a broker who'll accept orders less than about $5,000 or so.   David J. Dachteram   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 18:55:42 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)s0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <dMCmRyE7vKI5@eisner.decus.org>u  ] In article <39AD7AB2.34BC5DA@fsi.net.mapson>, SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> writes:f > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:m >> eN >> Well, there's another way to lobby the Q re: OpenVMS. Buy a share or ten of >> CPQ,l >  > How does one do that, Terry? > J > I've never heard of a broker who'll accept orders less than about $5,000 > or so.  H My wife buys small amounts of stock through Dividend Reinvestment Plans.5 I am certain that Compaq stock is available this way.   > I suppose you should buy now, as the price seems to be rising.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:08:05 GMT04 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS< Message-ID: <9Bfr5.57350$_s1.683470@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > >eL > > Well, there's another way to lobby the Q re: OpenVMS. Buy a share or ten of > > CPQ, >C > How does one do that, Terry? >kJ > I've never heard of a broker who'll accept orders less than about $5,000 > or so.   Huh? Try StockPower at...5  , http://www.stockpower.com/invest_direct.html  G They accept a minimum investment of $250 (it used to be lower IIRC) andi$ charge five bucks for a transaction.  L Most brokers will sell "odd lots" of stock, but StockPower appears to be the best deal out there!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:29:04 GMTl2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: I&DS Book Questiong6 Message-ID: <4Ngr5.666$M62.262550@typhoon.aracnet.com>  B Yesterday I was going through some of my collection of DEC relatedF documentation and found a copy of I&DS that I didn't even know I had. I Looking through it, it appears to be for VAX/VMS V3.3 and is from 1984.  a  L Just how many different versions of this book exist?!?!  I'd like to get theI current copy, and it looks like it's been split into different volumes ofuK which Volume 1 looks to be the only one available.  So my real question is,, what book(s) do I need to get?  L Based on the I&DS webpage on the Compaq site I'm guessing I want to find the following books:  $ ISBN                           TitleF ------------------------------ ---------------------------------------7 1 55558 156 0                  OpenVMS Alpha Internals:n>                                Scheduling and Process Control   9 1 55558 120 X                  OpenVMS AXP Internals and -<                                Data Structures: Version 1.5   5 1 55558 059 9                  VAX/VMS Internals and a<                                Data Structures: Version 5.2     I It looks like the first book is a portion of the second, and the third is 3 needed if I want info on the VAX.  Is this correct?l   			Zanew   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:18:40 GMT/= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: I&DS Book Question.0 Message-ID: <009EF647.F32F3588@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <4Ngr5.666$M62.262550@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes: C >Yesterday I was going through some of my collection of DEC relatedwG >documentation and found a copy of I&DS that I didn't even know I had.  J >Looking through it, it appears to be for VAX/VMS V3.3 and is from 1984.   >iM >Just how many different versions of this book exist?!?!  I'd like to get thepJ >current copy, and it looks like it's been split into different volumes ofL >which Volume 1 looks to be the only one available.  So my real question is, >what book(s) do I need to get?o >eM >Based on the I&DS webpage on the Compaq site I'm guessing I want to find thec >following books:p >w% >ISBN                           TitledG >------------------------------ ---------------------------------------r8 >1 55558 156 0                  OpenVMS Alpha Internals:? >                               Scheduling and Process Control l > : >1 55558 120 X                  OpenVMS AXP Internals and = >                               Data Structures: Version 1.5 - >-6 >1 55558 059 9                  VAX/VMS Internals and = >                               Data Structures: Version 5.2 o >0 >3J >It looks like the first book is a portion of the second, and the third is4 >needed if I want info on the VAX.  Is this correct? >p >			Zane  H The VAX/VMS I&DS and the OpenVMS Alpha I&DS were both published in "pre-G liminary" installments to get the information out before completing the I full book.  The "OpenVMS Alpha Internals: Scheduling and Process Control" G is, in essence, a similar project.  This book is an adjunct to the cur- G rent OpenVMS Alpha I&DS and discusses changes made to VMS from the ver- H sion covered in the OpenVMS Alpha I&DS (V1.5) to the present in terms of scheduling and process control.b  F Last time I spoke with Ruth, she reported that she was working on someG of the memory management chapters which will, hopefully, be released ing the not to distant future.  F Anyhow, if you want to know about VMS you really want all of these.  IF really believe that just the two Alpha books, however, should suffice.  E As for your first question, the manuals which were made available viacE Digital Press were: VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V3.3) EY-00014-DP, VAX/VMS0H I&DS (based on V4.4) EY-8264E-DP, VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V5.2) EY-C171E-F DP and of course the Alpha muals you've cited.  There were the prelim-F inary installments and there was a version based on V2.2 which I'm notD sure was ever offered by Digital Press for public sale -- I'm better" as VMS internals than VMS history.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:02:14 -0400n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger), Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3008001402150001@user-2ive6lk.dialup.mindspring.com>  O In article <009EF605.9840EB86@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   v > In article <Aj8r5.15752$pu4.1131703@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > >S8 > >"Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote  > > @ > >> Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might beL > >> nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallingE > >> their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice ado > >opportunities.  > >yO > >If MHz was a be-all and end-all, having the fastest clock speed would indeed M > >be a Good Thing. Note that Intel is responsible for creating and fosteringtO > >the perception that MHz Matter Most; a misperception that just may come back ) > >to haunt them when IA64 finally ships.e > O > MHz is like engine RPM.  It means very little unless you know that the enginesO > is doing each revolution.  I'd rather base *my* performance judgements on BHPnN > and lb/ft of torque than on how fast it spins.  Same with MHz.  It's akin toN > arguing that some ratio station at 107.1 MHz on the FM dial has better music; > than some other at 88.1 MHz by virtue of their frequency.s  K Of course you're both right in the real world where it counts.  We all knowkF a pentium 3 isn't the equal of an alpha 21264 at the same clock speed.  E I wouldn't want Compaq to ship a faulty CPU.  But once it is ready toI/ go, they should push hard to start selling it. i  F I was thinking for a moment about the make-believe world of eye candy,C pointy-haired "experts", and superficial media.  It's sad, but thatnG seems to matter to a lot of folks, and Compaq has been neglecting them.i  H Maybe the CEO needs to call a press conference and make a big deal about kissing his wife?o   -- . Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comd   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:08:45 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?= Message-ID: <hRdr5.15807$pu4.1134455@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>t  . <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message= news:OFDBC21934.3B8344AB-ON8825694B.006063D7@HEALTHNET.COM...c >aJ > An observation: Those PIII 1.13Ghz chips are being recalled because theyK > had been released before they were ready. The PIII 1Ghz chips before them J > were a laughing stock because they were announced as available on paper,L > but nobody could get them for months. Maybe Compaq are being a little more > sensible?i  H Yep. And you really have to wonder whether Intel's "Mo' MHz Matter Most"L campaign will backfire... especially if IA64 ships at a paltry 700MHz or so.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:31:59 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comm, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?C Message-ID: <OF518B6DE2.FA230609-ON8825694B.0070A840@HEALTHNET.COM>r  K I believe the best they've managed in any quantity so far is 733mhz, and itdI runs 32bit code considerably slower than a PIII. Pity it's going to be upt7 against the Sledgehammer and the P4, isn't it? Snigger.a   Shaneo          H "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> on 08/30/2000 01:08:45 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. cc:a  - Subject:  Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?i      . <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message= news:OFDBC21934.3B8344AB-ON8825694B.006063D7@HEALTHNET.COM...  >tJ > An observation: Those PIII 1.13Ghz chips are being recalled because theyK > had been released before they were ready. The PIII 1Ghz chips before them J > were a laughing stock because they were announced as available on paper,G > but nobody could get them for months. Maybe Compaq are being a littlee more > sensible?o  H Yep. And you really have to wonder whether Intel's "Mo' MHz Matter Most"H campaign will backfire... especially if IA64 ships at a paltry 700MHz or so.-   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 16:10:57 -0400* From: cherkus@unimaster.com (Dave Cherkus), Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?& Message-ID: <39ad6a51@News.Destek.net>  3 Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:w? > > Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might beoK > > nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallinglD > > their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice ad > opportunities. > N > If MHz was a be-all and end-all, having the fastest clock speed would indeedL > be a Good Thing. Note that Intel is responsible for creating and fosteringN > the perception that MHz Matter Most; a misperception that just may come back( > to haunt them when IA64 finally ships. > N > Methinks it's better to offer a processor that delivers mo' performance thanL > mo' MHz. HP would concur; PA-RISC may not be winning the MHz derby but theM > architecture is no slouch when it comes to getting one's job done. The same + > can be said for IBM'S POWER architecture.  > L > And one might argue that Intel's latest processor gaffe is a direct resultN > of the firm's effort to maintain MHz bragging rights. Might it not have beenJ > more prudent to delay availability of the chip until all the errata were > exorcised?  # A good article covering this is at:d  J   http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/ieee_spec2000_article.html  G If MHz was the only thing that matters, why does a 600 MHz 21264 systemr0 beat the stuffing out of a 600 MHz 21124 system?  @ It'd be nice if we could make all our decisions by comparing two/ small integers, but life is rarely that simple.o   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:04:23 GMT-4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?< Message-ID: <Hxfr5.57337$_s1.683604@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   >$% > A good article covering this is at:t >eL >   http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/ieee_spec2000_article.html >u  2 Nice article. Henning obviously knows his stuff...   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 15:48:24 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515), Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?3 Message-ID: <I3LiOUDTPwKg@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>n  s In article <Hxfr5.57337$_s1.683604@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:s >  >>& >> A good article covering this is at: >>M >>   http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/ieee_spec2000_article.htmle >> > 4 > Nice article. Henning obviously knows his stuff...  H         Except at the moment, the  download  link on this page is brokenH     so one can't read the article. ;-(  I really wonder _who_ is running=     Compaq's web presence?  They need a LOT of help.  Sigh...k           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.EduP:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 21:42:52 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)D, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?+ Message-ID: <ygWL0+VMZuCU@eisner.decus.org>   s In article <Hxfr5.57337$_s1.683604@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:T >  >>& >> A good article covering this is at: >>M >>   http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/ieee_spec2000_article.htmlE >> > 4 > Nice article. Henning obviously knows his stuff...  ? The first time I met him at DECUS he was a product manager as In5 recall, but more techie than many and less marketeer.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:04:42 -0400,) From: "Joseph B. Gurman" <gurman@ari.net>D, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?= Message-ID: <gurman-9C1410.22044230082000@news.crosslink.net>D  4 In article <I3LiOUDTPwKg@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, E Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: E 926-3515) wrote:  I > In article <Hxfr5.57337$_s1.683604@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. i. > Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > >  > >>( > >> A good article covering this is at: > >>L > >>   http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/ieee_spec2000_article.h
 > >>   tml > >> > > 6 > > Nice article. Henning obviously knows his stuff... > J >         Except at the moment, the  download  link on this page is brokenJ >     so one can't read the article. ;-(  I really wonder _who_ is running? >     Compaq's web presence?  They need a LOT of help.  Sigh...s >  >         -Ken    +     Works for me, 10:04 PM EDT, 08/30/2000.u                     Joe Gurman   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:51:22 GMT ' From: Jeff Monasch <x_monasch@home.com>/, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?( Message-ID: <39ADD627.7885F919@home.com>  
 Man oh Man...=  U That is EXACTLY the analogy I use when I teach sales & tech support about technology.    Jeff  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  v > In article <Aj8r5.15752$pu4.1131703@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > >2B > >"Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageI > >news:rdeininger-3008000158000001@user-2ive7j6.dialup.mindspring.com...pK > >> In article <LdRq5.55591$_s1.651572@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.e. > >Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > >>J > >> > Yep. Fastest CPUs Compaq has in-house in any quantity right now are
 > >1044MHzL > >> > EV68 bins from IBM. Said chips have been tested up to >1200MHz or so. > >YouK > >> > can expect the 1044MHz parts to materialize in a 1CQ-2CQ01 GS-SeriesC5 > >> > upgrade; 1250MHz chips will be somewhat later.D > >>G > >> Any idea why it should take so many months to start shipping thesea > >> parts?e > >:K > >I am told that volume deliveries will not begin until the High Holidays.'J > >Then of course there's the matter of system qualification, etc. I'm notB > >sure, but the low-end and midrange Alpha boxes may require someD > >modifications to their core logic chipsets, etc, to support ~1GHzL > >processors. Looking back over the past several years, a lag time of threeC > >months or so between volume chip availability and initial systemi" > >availability is to be expected. > >.@ > >> Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might beL > >> nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallingE > >> their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice adk > >opportunities.d > >eO > >If MHz was a be-all and end-all, having the fastest clock speed would indeediM > >be a Good Thing. Note that Intel is responsible for creating and fostering O > >the perception that MHz Matter Most; a misperception that just may come back-) > >to haunt them when IA64 finally ships.0 >:O > MHz is like engine RPM.  It means very little unless you know that the enginetO > is doing each revolution.  I'd rather base *my* performance judgements on BHPmN > and lb/ft of torque than on how fast it spins.  Same with MHz.  It's akin toN > arguing that some ratio station at 107.1 MHz on the FM dial has better music; > than some other at 88.1 MHz by virtue of their frequency.  >e > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo   --  ) -----------------------------------------i) to reply remove the "x_" from the address ) -----------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:26:50 -0400t* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?- Message-ID: <39ADC26A.55E0B12B@tsoft-inc.com>s   Robert Deininger wrote:: > t > In article <LdRq5.55591$_s1.651572@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > O > > Yep. Fastest CPUs Compaq has in-house in any quantity right now are 1044MHznM > > EV68 bins from IBM. Said chips have been tested up to >1200MHz or so. You9H > > can expect the 1044MHz parts to materialize in a 1CQ-2CQ01 GS-Series2 > > upgrade; 1250MHz chips will be somewhat later. > D > Any idea why it should take so many months to start shipping theseE > parts?  Isn't Compaq interested in their image at all?  It might be?I > nice to ship these chips right about now, while Intel is busy recallingdQ > their > 1GHz 8086 replacement chips.  I'm imagining some nice ad opportunities.-  P Maybe the Intel recall is an EXCELLANT reason to go slow on releasing new chips.  = > Must the Q squander every advantage their engineers create?n > 5 > Besides, I want one of these chips in a VMS laptop.e  3 So, w're talking about a portable heater here?  :-)    Dave   -- s4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:48:24 -0400- From: dan <dan@vrx.net>39 Subject: Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...i' Message-ID: <39AC2FA7.7948DC08@vrx.net>:   Hoff Hoffman wrote:e  E >   As you say, "not entirely true" -- since we're all being somewhat6D >   pedantic here -- the "DEC UNIX" product never ran on a VAX.  The >   ULTRIX VAX product did.w  F but ultrix is not vms, and therefore, my response is still correct. :)  E >   OS/2 on VAX?  That's news to me.  For my own ellucidation, what'si9 >   the kit part number or the full text of the kit name?i  P It's a copy (not an original tape). I will post the full directory listing a bit later tonight.  G > :I know that for a fact, because I have a copy of OS/2 for the VAX...o > H >   AFAIK, OS/2 was originally written in 80286 assembly language.  I'veH >   seen a few folks with add-in cards that could permit a VAX system toI >   "run" OS/2, and it might well be (have been) feasible to have OS/2 in I >   the old SoftPC/SoftWindows environment, and this might be a reference-" >   to the PATHWORKS OS/2 stuff... > D >   But I've never seen nor heard of a native VAX version of OS/2...  C Ok, Hoff, I'm going to settle this little mystery once and for all.XP I've kept this TK50 since the day I got it, and keeping it in a very safe place.M I will post a FULL directory listing (with file dates and sizes) to this list  (and to your email) tonight.r  H It is DEFINITELY OS/2, appears to be for the vax, and is written by DEC.O maybe I'm wrong and it's some pathworks thing, I'm not about to try and boot it	 up to find out!M  D The tape can be read using the standard vms mount, and dir commands.P so it's I guess, files-11 format, which to me, just adds to the weirdness. (it's not a backup tape).a  Q It came with one of the microvax-ii systems I picked up from the DEC outlet here.s  = the machine had a TK70 drive but this TK50 tape was in there.h   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:49:49 -0400t From: dan <dan@vrx.net>c9 Subject: Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...t' Message-ID: <39AC2FFD.36FC2FC6@vrx.net>o  + I think there are too many flavors of unix!l@ unix, ultrix, DUnix, BSD, Linux, SCO (Defunct), Solaris... eesh.   But I did mean OS/2 :)   Dan.   "Bochnik, William J" wrote:   ; > I think you mean Ultrix and BSD Unix, not OS/2 and DUnix.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:39:31 -0700 7 From: "Arthur E. Ragosta" <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>-
 Subject: LDAPM3 Message-ID: <39AD7F13.2D910595@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>a  C We are currently using PMDF, but may drop it soon.  (I'm really not F happy about it becoming a SUN product).  Besides the Innosoft product, are there any affordable LDAP servers available for VMS?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:39:50 -0500-" From: Earl Lakia <lakia@ipact.com>9 Subject: Re: Low-level interface to AlpSta parallel port?-) Message-ID: <39AD6306.AFAE01DA@ipact.com>0  J One could always write your own device driver for the LR driver.  Seems to meH that this driver is the demo that they normally give you and an example. Anyway,i% could always add to the one provided.c   -Earl6   sms@antinode.org wrote:G  H >    When I get some (currently non-copious) free time, I'd like to playJ > around with a low-level, bit-twiddling interface to the parallel port on? > my AlpSta 200 4/233, in the hopes of controlling some simple,t > non-printer hardware.a >nI >    A quick look at the I/O documentation suggested nothing.  LRA0 looks E > very printer-like.  Is there a QIO path through the LR driver whichrF > would do this?  Actual answers or pointers to documentation would be
 > welcome. > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >dE >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)tE >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)bI >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)R; >    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:39:12 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> 1 Subject: Re: NFS (PCNFS) does no lomger function!t( Message-ID: <39AD54C5.534DD126@ohio.edu>  L It was my impression that NFS has had various incompatible versions over theP years.  Perhaps the UCX V4.2 server is such an old version of the NFS "standard"9 that it is not compatible with the client now being used.m  K Remember, standards are a good thing, which is why we have so many of them!r                           RDPh     Rudolf Wingert wrote:    > Hello, >gL > we do use UCX 4.2 ECO 1 under OpenVMS 7.1-2. Since a few month the NFS andM > PCNFS does not function. The user reports this problem just now. So I can'to= > say when this problem starts. The NFS server starts normal:d >oN >         %%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER        2-AUG-2000 09:57:51:44  %%%%%%%%%%%%B >         %UCX-S-NFS_INISUC, NFS server is starting using log file< >         SYS$SYSDEVICE:[UCX$NFS]UCX$NFS_AMP0_LOGFILE.LOG;17 >CN >         %%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER        2-AUG-2000 09:57:51:51  %%%%%%%%%%%%9 >         %UCX-S-NFS_INITST, Sarting NFS with parameters:o) >         Writing into errlog is enaqbledr >         Default UID is -23 >         Default GID is -27+ >         Inactivity timer ist set to 02:00s >IN >         %%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER        2-AUG-2000 09:57:54:42  %%%%%%%%%%%%? >         %UCX-S-NFS_HSTNAM, NFS server is running on host AMP0  >c# > After this there are some errors:l >e > Error type 1:  >oN >         %%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER        2-AUG-2000 09:57:54:47  %%%%%%%%%%%%? >         %UCX-S-NFS_PROGVS, invalid RPC program version numberaO >         -UCX-S-NFS_RPCHDR, xid = >diff. numbers<  program = >100005 ! 100003< 1 >                 version = >2 ! 3< procedure = 0eD >         -UCX-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=0 gid=0 hostname =               orC >         -UCX-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=-2 gid=-2 hostname=sn43          oA: >         -UCX-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=204 gid=204 hostname=sn43 >t$ > >content< means different content. >s > Error type 2:  >sN >         %%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER        2-AUG-2000 11:28:09.16  %%%%%%%%%%%%> >         %UCX-S-NFS_NOPROG, requested RPC program unavailableP >         -UCX-S-NFS_RPCHDR, xid = >diff. numbers<  program = 100227 version = 2 >                 procedure = 3a8 >         -UCX-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=0 gid=0 hostname = sn43 >aP > The error type 2 is seen after a MNTSUC (successful mount). On the client side? > (PC) we see access denied or Sun Solaris directory not found.z >i  > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:49:39 -0400s2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>A Subject: Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?0* Message-ID: <39AD4933.F6BFB247@oracle.com>  5 OM products run (or, at least, can run) on Oracle RdbD7 with OpenVMS.  A number of the world's large exchanges a7 use this combination (OM, Rdb and VMS) and it tends to n be well regarded.?   Roy Omond wrote: > J > As many will be aware, the Swedish company OM has recently been involved > 2 > in a takeover bid for the London Stock Exchange. > > > Anyone have any inside information whether OM is using VMS ?I > (I get a certain "feeling" from their web-site that VMS is indeed therel > ...) >  > Roy Omondi > Blue Bubble Ltd.. > (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)   -- a< norm lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685) reply to: norman.lastovica@oraclecorp.comc   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:48:28 GMTR1 From: "Mathias Wolkert" <tias77@bellatlantic.com>hA Subject: Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?s5 Message-ID: <g3hr5.474$rG4.12524@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>    Yes we do... And we like it alot...! I work with the system every day.tI Basicly we use OpenVMS with RTR (Reliable Transaction Router) and RDB, on $ top of that we put our own software.   /Tiash  3 "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> wrote in messaged$ news:39AD10F8.8C156763@compaq.com...J > As many will be aware, the Swedish company OM has recently been involved >z2 > in a takeover bid for the London Stock Exchange. >2> > Anyone have any inside information whether OM is using VMS ?I > (I get a certain "feeling" from their web-site that VMS is indeed theree > ...) >i > Roy Omondt > Blue Bubble Ltd.. > (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq) >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:54:58 GMTe1 From: "Mathias Wolkert" <tias77@bellatlantic.com>eA Subject: Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ? 5 Message-ID: <m9hr5.476$rG4.12365@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>w   Read it at:h  H http://www.omtechnology.com/products/finance/clickExchange/technical.htm   /Tias     3 "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> wrote in messagea$ news:39AD10F8.8C156763@compaq.com...J > As many will be aware, the Swedish company OM has recently been involved >u2 > in a takeover bid for the London Stock Exchange. > > > Anyone have any inside information whether OM is using VMS ?I > (I get a certain "feeling" from their web-site that VMS is indeed theree > ...) >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd.. > (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq) >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:56:06 -0400c= From: "Marcello, Richard (ZKO)" <Richard.Marcello@COMPAQ.com>h* Subject: RE: OpenVMS Marketing, PartneringJ Message-ID: <C99A689B0CB9D111AF3F0000F8062CCD0BDE3A33@zkoexc2.zko.dec.com>   too bad.  @ let me know if there is anything I can do in the future to help.   Rich   -----Original Message-----6 From: Robert J. Slover [mailto:slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu]( Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:19 AM To: Marcello, Richard (ZKO), Cc: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com:* Subject: RE: OpenVMS Marketing, Partnering       Rich,-  B Thanks for the response.  It won't help.  I didn't intend to start@ a whole thread or anything, I just wanted the other guy to count his blessings.  B I completely understand the VP's decision.  All of our VMS talent,> with the exception of my former director and myself, are gone.@ That includes students.  We've got 16 machines sitting in there,@ no longer doing everything, and if I get hit by a beer truck on A the way home he's in a world of hurt.  He can have that albatrossgA tied 'round his neck until the end of the year, or until our CSLGeB expires sometime next June.  He's going for the shorter timeframe.? I don't blame him.  I'd like to see a VMS cluster still sittings@ here for students to 'play' with, but truth is good people will ( pick it up in the field if they need to.  ? I'm working ridiculous hours...I can take care of anything fromGA PC's to unix machines, to our Oracle instances, to Macs, routers,u@ whatever.  We've lost a lot of good people lately.  The industry= is starving for people...that will make it harder to get goodi@ people back.  His intention is to reduce the scope of the talent0 necessary to run this place.  I understand that.  @ VMS's biggest hope to recruite new talent is cheap machines and @ cheap licenses.  Particularly clustering licenses.  Hope seriousA web sites catch on.  Let people like me be able to write packagedmB systems to handle cashiering and the like, and get them into small@ stores and gas stations and the like...I can't count the number B of times I've had to wait for my credit card to clear at the localA gas station because they have to reboot the bloody NT box running  the registers...  ? I still love VMS and still intend to do some work for it.  I've < got a little DEC3000 at home running hobbyist stuff.  I have@ WindowMaker almost ported (still some problems) and still intend$ to port GNUstep whenever I get time.  < Anyway, thanks.  I do appreciate it.  I'm CC'ing to the listA since I want people to know you're listening.  There's still some= doubt here about that.   --Robert  3 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Marcello, Richard (ZKO) wrote:   I > I'm happy to speak with your VP about the future of VMS if you think it$ will > help.h >  > Let me know. > Rich >  > -----Original Message-----. > From: David Dachtera [mailto:djesys@fsi.net]( > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 8:57 PM > To: Marcello, Richard (ZKO)0, > Subject: RE: OpenVMS Marketing, Partnering >  >  > Hello, Richard,_ > I > Found this in the comp.os.vms newsgroup this evening. Sounds like a jobo fortH > the "Endangered Accounts" team. Then again, *EVERY* OpenVMS account is > endangered these days... >  >      Subject: J >              Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? >         Date: 4 >              Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:57:39 -0500 (EST) >        From: H: >              "Robert J. Slover" <slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu> >  Organization: y. >              Info-Vax<==>Comp.Os.Vms Gateway >  Newsgroups: d >              comp.os.vms > B > Count yourself lucky that you even have a chance, however small.A > I've been told I've got to find a way to be rid of both our VMSa; > clusters (VAX and Alpha) by the end of December.  New VP.  > B > I come to work now sick to my stomach.  My cluster uptime is 232C > days...since we took things down in January when they put a new 3sB > phase power feed into the building.  Don't know how long we were3 > up prior to that.  Nothing else here comes close.e > 
 > --Robert >  > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systemsh > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/k >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:10:46 -0500e- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>g* Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing, Partnering. Message-ID: <39AD7856.1A1A6AD9@fsi.net.mapson>   "Robert J. Slover" wrote:t >  > Rich,e > D > Thanks for the response.  It won't help.  I didn't intend to startB > a whole thread or anything, I just wanted the other guy to count > his blessings. [snip]  5 Mea culpa. I'm the one who forwarded that to Richard.   F I wish someone could tell me how to get the message across to CPQ mgt.F that hoping for the continued longevity of OpenVMS without serious, if@ not radical, price concessions and a multi-million dollar global# marketing push is, at best, futile.e  H We here in the OpenVMS trenches have faced and are facing, and have madeF and are making some very serious and difficult decisions regarding the0 future directions of our businesses and careers.  H It's well past the time for the OpenVMS folks at Compaq to face and make similar decisions.  H ...IMNSHO. This is something that I felt needed to be said. If anyone isH offended or put off by it, then let your feelings underscore the gravity= of the situation and move you to *POSITIVE* action toward its, resolution.a   -- David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h  F This *IS* and OpenVMS-related newsgroup. A certain bias in postings is to be expected.   @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  < Attacks individual posters or groups of posters are strongly discouraged.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:30:59 -1000?- From: Maren Purves <m.purves@jach.hawaii.edu>h/ Subject: Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100 + Message-ID: <39AD7D13.4E5E@jach.hawaii.edu>d  D Hieroglyphics on a serial line is usually baud rate. If other things3 are seriously wrong you tend to get nothing at all.    Maren Purves   Richard D. Piccard wrote:  > P > Others have identified this as a serial port problem.  Perhaps you are gettingJ > to the point in the boot where it executes commands that set serial portN > parameters such as speed, and then the port is putting data on the wire that2 > the terminal is not able to interpret correctly. >  >                 RDPm >  > Roger Woodward wrote:4 >  > > hi,-I > > ive got a microvax 3100, but no documentation on decoding problems on  > > bootup.3 > >jO > > The machine siezed up with hyroglyphical chars streaming on one line on the8O > > terminal and no input seemingly possible either via the keyboard or accrosssO > > a network connection. Having let it cool down completely I switched it back 
 > > on and...T > >   > > On boot I get the following: > >x > > KA41-0 V1.0t > >o2 > > F_..E...D...C...  and so on to ...3...2_..1... > >  > > ? C 0080 0000.4001 > >n > > 83 BOOT SYSa > > -DKB700- > >a& > > then some standard boot info until > > E > > The VAX/VMS system is now executing the system startup procedure.sK > > SYSGEN-W-OPENIN error opening STS$COMMON.[SYSEXE]ZSDRIVER.EXE as input.y > >SN > > Then further display is in hyroglyphics (u umlauts, backwards ?, A umlauts > > etc) and nothing resonds.w > >sJ > > If I reboot straight away I dont get any output to the terminal at allP > > though I can hear the disk presumably going through various checks until all" > > goes (relatively) quiet again.P > > Any guesses as to the problem and if so whether it might be fixable, and areL > > there any good resources on the web that can give good pointers in these > > sorts of situations. > >X > > Thanks for any pointers.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 21:47:47 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)sC Subject: Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (actually Pathworks for OS/2t+ Message-ID: <JaRukhGxmXD8@eisner.decus.org>b  K In article <39AD9FD2.4F8C7566@vrx.net>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:pG > It's been a while since I looked at this TK50, when you see the filesdD > you'll see why I was a bit reluctant to investigate further. it is > indeed a backup set (sorry). > G > If anyone can (or wants to) shed light on this one, I'm real curious.mB > Maybe it's just a file backup, maybe it's something more. Dunno.   > Save set:          LM.BCK   @ The saveset name LM reminds me of LanMan, a variant of Pathworks$ (the other one would have been IPX).  ? > [ED]DRIVERS1.IMG;1                                       28813 > 21-JAN-1993 12:17n  @ And those files look like diskette images for building diskettes5 on your VAX to install Pathworks on your OS/2 system.u  / Pathworks for OS/2 has since been discontinued."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:57:42 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> 0 Subject: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised)' Message-ID: <39AD9FD2.4F8C7566@vrx.net>g  E It's been a while since I looked at this TK50, when you see the filesaB you'll see why I was a bit reluctant to investigate further. it is indeed a backup set (sorry).  E If anyone can (or wants to) shed light on this one, I'm real curious. @ Maybe it's just a file backup, maybe it's something more. Dunno.   Here we go:3   $ mount /over=access /for mua0:a  - %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, OS2 mounted on _PCLAB$MUA0:l   $ backup /list mua0:   Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          LM.BCK0 Written by:        GUEST" UIC:               [000200,000106]* Date:              27-AUG-1993 10:34:20.766 Command:           BACKUP *.* MUC6:LM.BCK/IGNORE=LABEL' Operating system:  VAX/VMS version V5.5d BACKUP version:    V5.5-2e CPU ID register:   0A000005e Node name:         _TRFSV3::  Written on:        _TRFSV3$MUC6: Block size:        8192t Group size:        10  Buffer count:      69   = [ED]DRIVERS1.IMG;1                                       2881  21-JAN-1993 12:17e  = [ED]DRIVERS2.IMG;1                                       2881i 21-JAN-1993 12:18   = [ED]HPFSREC1.IMG;1                                       2881c 21-JAN-1993 12:20?  = [ED]HPFSREC2.IMG;1                                       2881. 21-JAN-1993 12:22-  = [ED]NETVIEW.IMG;1                                        2881  21-JAN-1993 12:23e  = [ED]SERVER.IMG;1                                         2881h 21-JAN-1993 12:25   = [ED]SETUP.IMG;1                                          28812 21-JAN-1993 12:298  = [ED]WORKSTA.IMG;1                                        2881s 21-JAN-1993 12:35k   Total of 8 files, 23048 blocks End of save set3     $ dism/nounload mua0:r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:55:27 GMTe2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>4 Subject: Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised)6 Message-ID: <32ir5.668$M62.263415@typhoon.aracnet.com>  " Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:G > It's been a while since I looked at this TK50, when you see the files D > you'll see why I was a bit reluctant to investigate further. it is > indeed a backup set (sorry).  G > If anyone can (or wants to) shed light on this one, I'm real curious. B > Maybe it's just a file backup, maybe it's something more. Dunno.  G It looks like you've got a backup containing eight 3.5" Floppy images. aL You'd need to restore the actual files and write them out to floppy in orderH to figure out exactly what you've got.  If you've got an old OS/2 CD-ROMJ V2-V3 at least, you should find a utility to do this.  Otherwise you mightH be able to use rawrite.exe from Linux (at least I assume that it's stillI around).  Also 'dd' under UNIX should work.  I assume you can do it under < VMS by doing a MOUNT/FOR and BACK/IMAG, but am not positive.  K They aren't OS/2 itself.  I think this would be just prior to V2.1 and OS/2 H was shipping on either CD-ROM or something like 20-30 3.5" floppies.  ItJ also didn't ship with much if anything in the way of networking, IIRC, as  that was an add-on.  S  N My guess is that they're either disk images of the IBM networking stuff or as E Hoff mentioned they might be Pathworks for OS/2.  It's likely someone0L archived their floppies onto a VAXstation they had access to, and then wrote that archive to tape.    			ZaneS   			,    
 > Here we go:r  ! > $ mount /over=access /for mua0:   / > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, OS2 mounted on _PCLAB$MUA0:    > $ backup /list mua0:   > Listing of save set(s)   > Save set:          LM.BCKS > Written by:        GUEST$ > UIC:               [000200,000106], > Date:              27-AUG-1993 10:34:20.768 > Command:           BACKUP *.* MUC6:LM.BCK/IGNORE=LABEL) > Operating system:  VAX/VMS version V5.5  > BACKUP version:    V5.5-2  > CPU ID register:   0A000005N > Node name:         _TRFSV3::" > Written on:        _TRFSV3$MUC6: > Block size:        8192< > Group size:        10n > Buffer count:      69r  ? > [ED]DRIVERS1.IMG;1                                       2881n > 21-JAN-1993 12:17y  ? > [ED]DRIVERS2.IMG;1                                       2881  > 21-JAN-1993 12:18d  ? > [ED]HPFSREC1.IMG;1                                       2881u > 21-JAN-1993 12:20=  ? > [ED]HPFSREC2.IMG;1                                       2881i > 21-JAN-1993 12:22   ? > [ED]NETVIEW.IMG;1                                        2881  > 21-JAN-1993 12:23   ? > [ED]SERVER.IMG;1                                         2881  > 21-JAN-1993 12:25   ? > [ED]SETUP.IMG;1                                          2881  > 21-JAN-1993 12:29s  ? > [ED]WORKSTA.IMG;1                                        2881n > 21-JAN-1993 12:35s    > Total of 8 files, 23048 blocks > End of save seto     > $ dism/nounload mua0:    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:48:35 GMTr From: james.arnold@!!!usa.neta4 Subject: Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised)3 Message-ID: <Bo9SJE620dxR-pn2-GKoRBxd1X0xU@boromir>r  @ On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:57:42, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:  G > It's been a while since I looked at this TK50, when you see the filesrD > you'll see why I was a bit reluctant to investigate further. it is > indeed a backup set (sorry). > G > If anyone can (or wants to) shed light on this one, I'm real curious.nB > Maybe it's just a file backup, maybe it's something more. Dunno. > 
 > Here we go:. > ! > $ mount /over=access /for mua0:c > / > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, OS2 mounted on _PCLAB$MUA0:e >  > $ backup /list mua0: >  > Listing of save set(s) >  > Save set:          LM.BCKR ..[snip]...  > ? > [ED]DRIVERS1.IMG;1                                       28814 > 21-JAN-1993 12:17g ..[snip]...   H         My guess whould be a backup of the disk images for M$ LanMan forI OS/2 v1.x. The dates would tend to indicate this was probably used for atf the latest OS/2 v2.1  K         It was one of the was to get the required networking components forsH OS/2 v1.x,v2.x in order to setup Pathworks for OS/2 v5.0. A much stablerL way was to use the IBM Lanrequester components that came with IBM LanServer.           Jim2    K ===========================================================================a remove !!! for e-mail J James Arnold                                email:    james.arnold@usa.net=                                               ICQ:    9719182-  &         Member Toronto OS/2 User Group  < Brought to you by the letters O S the number 2 and ProNews/2K ===========================================================================      ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:47:20 -1000/ From: Jim Thomas <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>c" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?2 Message-ID: <wwn1humhvb.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>  ; >>>>> "Peter" == Peter da Silva <peter@taronga.com> writes:   6  Peter> In article <sqot68fhc5d73@corp.supernews.com>,8  Peter> Don Chiasson <don_chiasson@earthling.net> wrote:6  >> From Cerf and Navasky, The Experts Speak (Pantheon@  >> Press, 1984): "There is no reason for any individual to have<  >> a computer in their home.", Ken Olson, Convention of the)  >> World Future Society in Boston, 1977.C?  >> Source: Quoted by David H. Ahl in a 1982 interview with the   >> authors of the book.  ,  >> In 1977, a lot of things were not clear.  I  Peter> In 1972, after one half-hour experience with a teletype connected0J  Peter> at something like 75 bps to a Honeywell mainframe, it was clear to  Peter> me.i  *  Peter> In 1977 I was chomping at the bit.  J Seems like about 1973 I was trying to figure out how to get a 4004 into my car for rallying :-)   Jim,   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:26:27 GMTS+ From: Ric Werme <werme@nospam.mediaone.net>t" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?= Message-ID: <TChr5.15868$pu4.1145946@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>    jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:n  9 >And that's because, in order to prepare for the sale to d; >Compaq, all of the profitable pieces of Digital were sold.e  G And a lot of losing pieces.  Selling the Hudson Fab to Intel as part ofsE a patent infringement settlement was a wonderful move, about the only 0 praiseworthy thing Bob Palmer did in his tenure.  E VMS was kept.  Like it or not, they bring in a Gigabuck a year or so.e  0 DECnet was sold.  Can't argue with that, either.  A When Digital floated a junk bond in 1992/93 when I rejoined afteroB Alliant's demise, that really brought home how utterly clueless KOC and Digital were about what the computer industry had morphed into.pE I suspect if Digital hadn't started layoffs and selling divisions fortD another 6 months, chapter 11 would have been a distinct possibility.  F Not too many people left that think 3 hours lunches on Thursday/Friday are the norm.  :-) --@ Ric Werme                            | werme@nospam.mediaone.net; http://people.ne.mediaone.net/werme  |       ^^^^^^^ deletee   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 01:25:17 GMT; From: alderson@netcom2.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) " Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?7 Message-ID: <ALDERSON.00Aug30182517@netcom2.netcom.com>a  O In article <8ogvs1$1in7$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) writes:o  9 > In article <ALDERSON.00Aug28112514@netcom2.netcom.com>,t6 > Richard M. Alderson III <alderson@netcom.com> wrote:  L >> MG20 was a memory module on the KL, introduced in the mid-80s.  Allowed aM >> full 4MW to be installed (MF20 maxed out at 3MW, in more cabinetry).  So Ir. >> don't think it's what you were thinking of.  N > The MG20 foul-up is why the large PDP-10 sites switched to 3rd party memory.  L Remember that I've *always* used Tops-20, Joe.  MG-20 worked just fine on my systems at Stanford.  O But Barb used the word _cancellation_, and I was questioning *that* word: Since J I had the boards in my systems, I couldn't don't see how it was cancelled. --* Rich Alderson						    alderson@netcom.comA 		     until 30 Sept 2000, when shell accounts go away from here. : 			 I haven't yet decided where I'll post from after that.L   "You get what anybody gets.  You get a lifetime."  --Death, of the Endless   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:57:09 -0400a' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> " Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?( Message-ID: <8okksj$53n$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : Jim Thomas <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote in message, news:wwn1humhvb.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu...= > >>>>> "Peter" == Peter da Silva <peter@taronga.com> writes:c   ...f  K >  Peter> In 1972, after one half-hour experience with a teletype connected:L >  Peter> at something like 75 bps to a Honeywell mainframe, it was clear to
 >  Peter> me.  >O, >  Peter> In 1977 I was chomping at the bit. >sL > Seems like about 1973 I was trying to figure out how to get a 4004 into my > car for rallying :-)  E And I was doing the same thing, but with less flexible ICs (generatedbD results a lot faster, though).  However, I never mistook my personalF enthusiasm for some deep insight into the future:  at the time, it wasK electronic tinkering of the same sort that significant but, in terms of the J entire population, minor numbers of people had been indulging in since theF start of the century, and the idea that my mother would someday have aH computer of her own to (albeit still with difficulty, even though it's aJ Mac) publish her small-town newsletter with bore no relation to what I was doing and enjoying myself.  J (But it was so much fun running 'unequipped' with a slide rule and beatingE the guys with computers and calculators that I never finished it, andi# eventually got a real job instead.).   - bill   >t > Jim>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:45:42 -0400., From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate)" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?D Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480003108000045420001@news.patriot.net>  K In article <8ojaiu$1gpn$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>, peter@taronga.com (Petert da Silva) wrote:  0 > In article <sqot68fhc5d73@corp.supernews.com>,2 > Don Chiasson <don_chiasson@earthling.net> wrote:5 > >From Cerf and Navasky, The Experts Speak (Pantheona? > >Press, 1984): "There is no reason for any individual to havec; > >a computer in their home.", Ken Olson, Convention of thes( > >World Future Society in Boston, 1977.> > >Source: Quoted by David H. Ahl in a 1982 interview with the > >authors of the book.  > + > >In 1977, a lot of things were not clear.  > P > In 1972, after one half-hour experience with a teletype connected at something; > like 75 bps to a Honeywell mainframe, it was clear to me.n > P > In 1977 I was chomping at the bit. I might have already got my TI programmableO > calculator by then. I'd played Hamurabbi and Advent. Plato was reality. Xerox O > was working on window systems. Shockwave Rider had been published, describingoN > a future not too far off when everyone had access to computer power at home.J > Vinge hadn't written True Names, yet, but his earlier works were already0 > anticipating universal information processing. > 4 > Even in 1977 it was a stunning piece of neophobia. >  > -- -G > Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.                                       WWFD?. > H > "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept"$ >         -- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)  J I, too, think it was becoming clear by then: I wrote my first professionalD (i.e. not just fiddling around) program in 1971 to solve a system ofH simultaneous equations - on a desktop computer! (a Smith Corona-MarchantI machine, 100 registers, with an external magnetic tape drive). While thisiH machine cost a bit under $10K, IIRC, it was obvious that computing powerH was rising like a rocket while the price was falling like a rock. All itH would take was the "killer app" (VisiCalc, as I see it) for really largeF numbers of people to see that there WAS a real use for those otherwise expensive toys.b   --  
 Ramon L. Tate 	 Casa Maah= taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!i   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 20:42:08 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: run *.com6 Message-ID: <8ojrj0$9bo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  W In article <29AUG200022350418@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:oK :If you change this to run each .com file instead of writing it's name out, G :I would suggest that you do not run it on the directory that this fileA :itself is in...  J   Why not why not why not why not why not why not why not why not why not?  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:03:50 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comi! Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !! C Message-ID: <OF59A94C4C.D7B3D35A-ON8825694B.0062F623@HEALTHNET.COM>   K No, Terry. My observation of American government is that Big Business wants G to decide it all for you, and Congress just passes it along. Supporting K example: It's businesses that want the freedom to spam everyone unpunished,-I the people just plain don't want any of it. So where did this Bill s.1618g come from? Riiiggghhhtttt.....   ShaneP          H "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> on 08/30/2000 06:55:22 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< cc:F  " Subject:  Re: Six Figure Income !!      7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messages' news:0033000003513925000002L052*@MHS...s  - Your name has been referred to me as a fellowe5 "opportunity seeker" and I know you will be impressedn by this special event!!l6 ------------------------------------------------------2 Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US6 Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as long0 as the sender includes contact information and a2 method of removal. Removal instructions located on bottom of message.        <remaining spam snipped>N  :      Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* what      is or is not spam!u  : Umm, that isn't **all* Congress wants to decide for you...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:12:06 -0700 ! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> ! Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !! + Message-ID: <39ADDB16.7C74E097@tmisnet.com>i  F "Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam, Lotsa spam, wonderful spam!"C Maybe we should send spammers a WAV file of the Monty Python's songa> Maybe if their mailbox was full up they would get the message"   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:o  9 > "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message ) > news:0033000003513925000002L052*@MHS...n >o/ > Your name has been referred to me as a fellows7 > "opportunity seeker" and I know you will be impressedU > by this special event!!:8 > ------------------------------------------------------4 > Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US8 > Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as long2 > as the sender includes contact information and a4 > method of removal. Removal instructions located on > bottom of message. >s >      <remaining spam snipped>  >_< >      Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* what >      is or is not spam!1 > < > Umm, that isn't **all* Congress wants to decide for you...   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2000 16:21:02 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)1& Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !! NOT!+ Message-ID: <wyNa1R8LtYvu@eisner.decus.org>1  J In article <0G03002DS8D4YG@mx.east.saic.com>, jeshuel@earthlink.net spams:8 > STUFF An Extra $1200-$5000 in Your Pocket Every Month!  K Not only is this spam, but $5000 per month is NOT a six figure income! Last K I checked $5000/mo is $60000/year. Unless you count the places to the right  of the decimal place.    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 18:18:00 GMT& From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it> Subject: TCPIP$FTP Bugchecking!s( Message-ID: <8ojj4o$db$1@kadath.deep.it>  F I have recently discovered that R'lyeh is rebooting due to a bugcheck, one a month. ANALYZE/ERROR says:H  O  ******************************* ENTRY     350. *******************************iO  ERROR SEQUENCE 26011.                           LOGGED ON:        SID 0A000005rO  DATE/TIME 30-AUG-2000 13:34:22.09                            SYS_TYPE 01530201h   SYSTEM UPTIME: 22 DAYS 18:12:58K  SCS NODE: RLYEH                                               VAX/VMS V7.2   ;  FATAL BUGCHECK  KA640  CPU FW REV# 6.  CONSOLE FW REV# 5.3l  &  PGFIPLHI, Pagefault with IPL too high           PROCESS NAME    TCPIP$FTP          PROCESS ID      00020017u          ERROR PC        80DEE3B5e        ERROR PSL       00080000cE                                        INTERRUPT PRIORITY LEVEL = 08. =                                        PREVIOUS MODE = KERNELa<                                        CURRENT MODE = KERNEL<                                        FIRST PART DONE CLEAR    STACK POINTERSd 	[omissis... ]      @ R'lyeh is a MicroVAX 3400 with 20MB of RAM, OpenVMS/VAX 7.2, DEC
 TCPIP 5.0.B It is a 100% hobbyist system, so I can't upgrade TCPIP. However, IA could try to install some ECO, if there's one appropriate to thisC
 problem...E my own problem is that I'm not sure of what this error is and what tot search in the READMEs. :)n   Uh, ANALYZE also says:  O  ******************************* ENTRY     353. *******************************fO  ERROR SEQUENCE 26014.                           LOGGED ON:        SID 0A000005 O  DATE/TIME 30-AUG-2000 13:37:52.10                            SYS_TYPE 01530201t  SYSTEM UPTIME: 0 DAYS 00:01:50 K  SCS NODE: RLYEH                                               VAX/VMS V7.2M  =  DEVICE ATTENTION  KA640  CPU FW REV# 6.  CONSOLE FW REV# 5.3     TK70P SUB-SYSTEM, RLYEH$PTA0:  -        FAILED TO LOCATE PORT MICRO-CODE IMAGET  3 What does that mean? The 4000-300 reports the same.    	playingly,3 	   Cthulhu  -- m  G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!X# 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:24:01 -0500 - From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>e, Subject: Re: Terseness (was Re: DHCP server). Message-ID: <39AD6D61.FA400FEC@fsi.net.mapson>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > S > In article <8oe2e1$btp$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes: P > :In article <39A932C8.6FCD@adldata.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes:@ > :>VMS tcpip 5.0A includes a DHCP server but not a DHCP client. > : 	 > :Where?  > A >   This question approaches the theoretical limit for terseness.M   Well, I dunno...  E I recall a story - I believe the source was Don Wolfe (of Don Wolfe / D Robert Allen fame) - about a fellow at the end of a Philosophy classG going to take the final. The final test consisted of a single, one-wordN question: "Why?"  D His classmates labored furiously for nearly the entire class period,B hoping to finish their essays in time. He sat back looking out the@ window, studied the sky, mused at the scurryings of the wildlife outside, ...  H Near the end of the alloted time, some of the class had finished and hadD turned in their pages of writing. He took his pen and wrote a singleE word in answer to the question: "Because." He was the last to turn inv his answer.:  F He was, reportedly, the only one who passed the philosophy final exam.   David J. DachteraI   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:36:05 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l1 Subject: Re: Tracking / receipt of mail over SMTPj, Message-ID: <39AD621F.7C64C33F@videotron.ca>   pmart63@my-deja.com wrote:G > to whether it's possible to pick up a read receipt from the recipient < > (when a message is read) and relay it back to the sender.   K You need a user agent which supports read receipts. (ALL-IN-1/Office server1L does). However, you also need an SMTP gateway (and interface) which is smartM enough to handle the various non-standards ways that other systems encode then request for read receipts.  M For instance, to support both Netscape and that Microsoft thingy, you need to 
 look for :N Delivery-receipt-to: and Disposition-notification-to:  lines in the RFC headerJ of an incoming message to set the "read-receipt" flag. Not sure what notesK uses, and I suspect that there are other tag lines used by other clients to " signify they want a read receipt.   N VMSmail does not support read-recipt, however, I *beleive* that PMDF's VMSmail replacement does.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:33:09 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>- Subject: Tracking / receipt of mail over SMTPr6 Message-ID: <200008301833_MC2-B1A6-5D5@compuserve.com>  J         VMS MAIL will not generate receipts or requests for same!  If the=  J receipt takes the form of return mail from the recipient  an SMTP gateway=  F should forward mail in either direction.  As long as the VMS system isG neither the origin nor the destination of the mail or receipt, VMS MAILp should not be involved at all.  J         Before you go to a  lot of effort and/or expense to make somethin= ghJ work, you, and all involved, should consider what a receipt actually mean= s;J almost nothing!  If "read" means displayed on the recipient's screen, you=  J may be able to get a receipt.  If "read" means the contents actually reac= hyJ the mind of a human being and result in comprehension, you are in the dar= k E and will remain so until you receive some meaningful response to your I message!  In some sense I've "received" 250 mail messages this evening. =o  E Many were deleted without ever being opened.  More were opened, and =a  3 glanced at but not *READ*!  Yours was an exception!i  H         To those of you whose deathless prose hit the bit bucket withoutJ being read, I offer an insincere apology;  I don't have time to read that=  H much mail.  It's about four hours worth of mail at a minute per message.  4 Message text written by INTERNET:pmart63@my-deja.comE >  I'm sending simple mail messages from one machine to a Lotus Notes@F Server by way of anoyher box using it as an SMTP gateway (It's runningG UCX (TCPIP Services) 4.1 under OpenVMS 7.1 (Alpha)). I've been asked asnE to whether it's possible to pick up a read receipt from the recipient E (when a message is read) and relay it back to the sender. I've looked A and I can't see any way of doing it with what I've got installed.LD Anybody know of any 3rd-party (or Compaq?) software that can do this@ (preferably in conjunction with existing structure). All answers gratefully read and digested.<   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:44:19 -0400O  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com># Subject: Re: US Senator goes GREEN. / Message-ID: <1000831003932.40860B@Ives.egh.com>e  $ On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Islandco wrote:  $ > So now the senators are Spamming ! >  >  >  > --! > Island Computers US Corporationo > 2700 Gregory Street/ > Suite 150h > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622  > Fax: 912 201 0096s > sales@islandco.com > www.islandco.com [snip]  A > Barbara Mikulski <senator@mikulski.senate.gov> wrote in messagee( > news:rwqeVCAAHhcivc@news.senate.gov...@ > >                                      5 Aug 2000 23:13:11 GMT > > E > > It's hard for me to believe that the next president of the United ? > > States will be George W. Bush or Al Gore. Both remind me ofS [snip]  ? No, they're not.  I saw this same message, more or less, postedt> to dozens of newsgroups, each with a different senator or rep. listed as the sender.   8 Most of the reputed senders were party line Democrats or6 Republicans who almost certainly have already endorsed: either Gore or Bush.  Of course, I didn't bother to check.   -- h John Santosp Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:05:47 GMTj+ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com.nospam>a( Subject: Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's0 Message-ID: <39ADCC1D.7E5431BA@wi.rr.com.nospam>  	 Hey Dawn:s  , Take a look at txt2pdf from www.sanface.com.G My employer is listed on the http://www.sanface.com/projects.html page.wF We're going to be using txt2pdf to convert files that are generated on "my" VMS tomF PDFs instead of consuming lots of dead trees with our high-speed laser	 printers.E  
 -Scott :^)   dawnmoreton@my-deja.com wrote:   > hi, E > We produce reports on various Vax/Alpha's and then transfer them byjB > various means so that the information can be viewed on the PC's.E > Is there any way of producing the report on the Vax/Alpha with mores* > format/style rather than straight ASCII?
 > Regards, > Dawn >d( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.1   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:10:15 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)' Subject: Re: Where can I get TLB files?a3 Message-ID: <4AkSgddUyhK8@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>t  3 In article <39ad15fd$0$4720@wodc7nh0.news.uu.net>, i9     	"Jason McCormick" <jason.mccormick@lexi.com> writes:xM >  Ahh, that worked, thanks!!  I used pos_default becuase that's what all themJ > other printers use.  Oh well.  You live and learn.  Thanks for the help.           You're welcome. :-)  h  H         One last note.  In my previous posts I've been a little fast andH     loose with the distinction between forms and _setup modules_.  FormsH     are created with the $ DEFINE/FORM  command.  You can view them with:     the $ SHOW QUEUE/FORM command, in particular, see what  (     		$ SHOW QUEUE/FORM/FULL POS_DEFAULT  H     gives as output.  I think  you'll  find  that  there is a /SETUP= inH     that  form, and it is the value of the /SETUP that is resident in  aH     device control library (not the form itself as I may have mistakenly     indicated earlier).   H         If "all the other printers use" POS_DEFAULT, then they must alsoH     have a device control  library  specified  which includes the /SETUPH     module  specified  for the form POS_DEFAULT.  You  could  experimentH     with specifying _that_ device control library when  you  create  theH     Multinet LPD queue, along with POS_DEFAULT for the default form, andH     see  if  it  gains  anything  for  you.   Do  you have any idea what"     POS_DEFAULT is supposed to do?           -Ken -- eM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edue:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:48:30 +0200 (MET DST)w& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS6 Message-ID: <200008310545.HAA25287@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  D there should be not only a viewer. We should be able to produce WordF documents. We have tried to use the StarOffice Word converter, withoutE any success. Also the problem handling is very worse. I have reported D a problem with Windows95. The only answer of Sun was: "Thank you forE reporting. You should have a look to the Q&A of the UNIX site." Therea@ was no answer to our problem since the end of 1999. Word viewer/C processor should have the same quality as OpenVMS have (the servicerE quality at least). The font problem on the other hand is a little bit D a selfmade problem. Use only the Adobe PostScript standard fonts and you will have less problems.   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.486 ************************(a Smith Corona-MarchantI machine, 100 registers, with an external magnetic tape drive). While thi#;䙪ḳYNo񜽊 V
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