1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 31 Aug 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 487       Contents:( Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP.( Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer SaleP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 HighNoon (Cent, Re: CETS2000 - Important Content Information, Re: CETS2000 - Important Content Information$ Re: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?$ Re: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?$ RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?$ RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?$ RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?& RE: Decstation 3000/300 trouble lights Re: Direct I/O increase . Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list. Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS  Re: I&DS Book Question Re: I&DS Book Question Re: I&DS Book Question Re: I&DS Book Question Re: I&DS Book Question Indentifying DLT drives # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? 0 Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...
 kill nslookup  Re: LDAP Re: LDAP Re: LDAP Re: LDAP Re: LDAP( Re: NFS (PCNFS) does no lomger function!% Oracle/VMS (in the US) teleconference ) Re: Oracle/VMS (in the US) teleconference  Permission Please + Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised)  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re[2]: Six Figure Income !!  Re: Re[2]: Six Figure Income !! ' strange problem with netscape 3.03 gold + Re: strange problem with netscape 3.03 gold ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  Re: TCPIP$FTP Bugchecking!5 Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro)  Re: WORD viewer for VMS  Re: WORD viewer for VMS  Re: WORD viewer for VMS ' Your Ad To 309,000 100% SAFE Recipients   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:48:48 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>1 Subject: Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. 6 Message-ID: <200008310749_MC2-B1A2-E59@compuserve.com>  C         Why would they need to "relicense" VMS?  The license can be J transferred with the machine if the machine is sold.   When you buy a who= le= company, AFAIK, you don't even need to transfer the licenses.   " Message text written by Jim JennisG >My sympathies also...in my prior job we had a 5 node OVMS cluster in a E large factory that stayed up for 5 years with less than 8 hours total J downtime (and most of that was for a VMS OS upgrade from 5.5-2 to 6.2 - w= e J skipped 6.0 and 6.1). We ran the whole organization with a WEB based syst= em= running on multiple OSU httpd's and it never missed a beat. =     E Recently, the factory was purchased by a new owner, and when they got J quotes from Compaq about re-licensing VMS their CFO had a serious case of=   sticker shock.   That was all it took.   F In May, (sadly) we finished porting the applications and databases andG replaced it all with Linux. Although I love Linux, and IMHO it is a FAR H BETTER SOLUTION THAN M$ CAN OFFER, it is still not in the same league as OVMS.    <    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 08:07:03 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) 1 Subject: Re: (change topic) Rose-Hulman's new VP. , Message-ID: <C1oeXeNzEs1c@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  7 In article <200008310749_MC2-B1A2-E59@compuserve.com>,  9      "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes:   E >         Why would they need to "relicense" VMS?  The license can be L > transferred with the machine if the machine is sold.   When you buy a who= > le? > company, AFAIK, you don't even need to transfer the licenses.  >   >    Maybe they didn't have to, but the important point seems toH be that they *thought* they had to and were quoted an unacceptable priceH for doing so. If even the Compaq sales reps can't understand the license7 transfer policies what hope do the poor customers have?   D    Once can only hope they didn't reward Compaqs driving them off of9 VMS by purchasing Compaq gear to run their Linux systems.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 09:33:20 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale * Message-ID: <8olmr0$5hb$1@lisa.gemair.com>  J In article <Pine.LNX.4.05.10008301859250.22191-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>,5 Christopher Smith  <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote: ( >On 30 Aug 2000, Jordan Henderson wrote: >  >[snip]  > J >> I have to admit that I haven't seen much lately.  I would imagine that L >> Compaq analyzed the results and found that there wasn't much penetration.F >> I don't meet too many IS managers who would be swayed much by such  >> advertising, do you?  > I >Unfortunately, yes.  Maybe I've come in contact with all the wrong ones, : >but most of the ones that I meet are all about the latest$ >whatever-is-in-the-magazines-today. >   A Look. I'm not in disagreement with anyone who feels that OpenVMS  @ should get a higher profile from Compaq, with Advertising, pressA releases, customer success stories widely dissemenated, performed  benchmarks, etc. etc.   : But, as you admit, OpenVMS advertising would probably not ; translate to the Compaq bottom line very well, as IS people , are all about the latest magazine article.    7 Let's not lie to ourselves.  Compaq is about the bottom 0 line.  Anything else would be a breach of their 8 fudiciary responsibility to their stockholders.  And, I 8 believe the board (who represent the stockholders) have 8 made it clear that this bottom line must represent some : short-term (as well as long-term) consideration.  It's no = coincidence that Pfeiffer was sacked after some bad quarters  = (short-term) and also not having a clear eStrategy like Dell  A (long-term).  Today, short-term profitability means aggressively   selling Windows technology.     9 I think there's some opportunity here for OpenVMS to edge 9 into shops who have had problems with Windows deployments : and were burned by Unix deployments in the past.  I'd like< to think that this is the window for the OpenVMS RenaissanceB we keep hearing about.  Some advertising and marketing could help > this.  This doesn't mean that Compaq should stop aggressively 8 selling Windows, especially when MS marketing muscle is ! synergizing with you all the way.   	 >Regards,  >  >Chris > P >===============================================================================A >"My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562) > >Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer  >Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.& >-------------------------------------J >"Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andI >weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes < >and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >  >    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 09:57:28 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale * Message-ID: <8olo88$726$1@lisa.gemair.com>  O In article <8ojsfe$3j3$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:  > ; >Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message % >news:8oj2rj$c8b$1@lisa.gemair.com... - >> In article <39ACE0B2.D59E333A@uk.sun.com>, G >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  >  >[snip]  > K >My reading of those sentiments must be different from yours:  I'd say they L >clearly (try to) position Win2K Datacenter as an equal to the best the restI >of the industry has to offer, not just "Gee, it's really good!", as your  >statement below indicates.  >   C Almost all marketing speaks in superlatives.  It's hard to find any A computer system marketing that doesn't imply that this particular - product can be configured into best-of-breed.   B The MS story is clearly that Win2K Datacenter is Enterprise class.? Compaq will help this along to improve their own profile, sure.   ? I wonder if MS objects to Compaq implying that OpenVMS provides 2 "an unlimited high-end to Windows NT deployments"?  A Marketing overlapping product lines is tricky business, sure, but J it's a sometimes better position than being stuck with a one-size-fits-all	 solution.    >>D >> What they are saying, very effectively, is that you can get quiteD >> excellent price performance and performance on commodity hardwareE >> with MS-SQL Server.  These solutions do not, today, feature highly D >> advanced clustering, but I understand that MS is working on that. >  >... > E >> >BTW I agree with you in the sense that I think that the OS should J >> >provide a foundation for clustering I just find it amusing that anyoneE >> >from Compaq could really be arguing in favour of this because its , >> >not where they are spending their money. >> > >>E >> Compaq spends their money where they can expect to get the largest  >> returns.  > J >The perplexing thing (at least from the viewpoint of people interested inH >VMS's future) is that Compaq *doesn't* spend their money where they canM >expect to get the largest returns, but rather where they're getting small or K >even negative returns (e.g., consumer and business PCs).  Putting together M >figures from diverse sources suggests (strongly) that VMS accounted for over I >1/3 of Compaq's *total* corporate profit last year (though a far smaller J >percentage of total revenue) - despite having been actively denigrated byI >DEC for most of the '90s and treated at best neutrally by its new parent  >when Compaq took over.  >   E The PC vendors have found that they must maintain a large home market G presence to support them in the business desktop/server area.  It's not ' high margin, but it is what's required.   H I disagree that Compaq is treating OpenVMS "at best neutrally", but thisH is a matter of perspective.  I'd certainly like to see more.  I do thinkH that what Compaq is doing is a HUGE improvement over what DEC was doing.  H >Even today, in VMS's so-called 'renaissance', Compaq isn't spending anyL >significant money *promoting* it (especially when compared with the fundingK >devoted to Windows products, but it's likely significantly less than Tru64 H >and NSK as well) - while VMS profits continue to pour in, and with evenM >moderate encouragement (like, some kind of *undeniable* evidence - as proven K >by *real* expenditures - that Compaq took its future seriously) might well  >increase substantially. >   K Might...  Remember the spate of OpenVMS advertising last year?  Wall Street F Journal, all the computer rags, etc.?  I'm willing to bet that Compaq K performed follow-up marketing studies and found that these had little or no  impact.   C I'm not sure that advertising is what's needed here.  Maybe better  D advertising is what's needed (paging David Dachtera), I dunno.  I'm > all in favor of lobbying Compaq for more and better marketing.  @ >  In case you haven't noticed, there's a huge market clammoring( >> for more scaleable Windows solutions. > K >That's certainly what Microsoft would have us believe, but real purchasers M >seem to be holding back a bit to see whether Win2K really matches the claims G >MS has made for it.  So far, the evidence seems to be that it does not K >(though it may be a major step up from NT), and customers appear to remain L >happy with non-Windows solutions in any applications requiring reliability, >availability, and scalability.   I The WinNT market is still growing at a healthy clip, I think you'll find. J It's disappointing to MS that they haven't taken over the world years ago,. sure, but it's still a big and growing market.   > L >And whether there will be huge profits to be made if and when Win2K maturesK >in those areas is questionable:  it is, after all, a commodity OS, and the G >only conspicuously generous profit associated with it seems to flow to J >Microsoft, with hardware vendors competing too vigorously on price to getJ >anything like the margins high-end systems enjoy today.  Indeed, from theK >viewpoint of profitability, Compaq may well be better off if Win2K *never* + >grows up (and Linux too, for that matter).  >   A This is a very good point.  However, like it or not, Compaq has a B long history in Intel (do we need a new term now that AMD is being@ so successful?) platforms.  They will _attempt_ to aggressively  maintain their prominence.  @ I'd like to think that Compaq, HP and IBM have the adantage overA the Dell, Micron, Gateway crowd in that they have other offerings @ to cushion the fall if selling commodity OS's don't pan out as a big money maker.   >- bill  >  >  >    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:11:18 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cen 0 Message-ID: <009EF6AB.80CA5872@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <8okjhc$ggf$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:M >Note you will competing against over 2000 other registered attendees at this L >point.  Assuming registration continues growing at the current rate it willM >be over 5,000 by the time of Symposium.  These are full conference attendees / >and does not include Tradeshow only attendees.  > 4 >You must be registered to sign up for a workshop...  D Excuse me but what it the URL for registering for these "workshops".  ) www.cets2000.com doesn't get me anywhere.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:28:15 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cen 3 Message-ID: <8olj34$pd8$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>    Checking your question out...    --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc E ===================================================================== J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009EF6AB.80CA5872@SendSpamHere.ORG...K > In article <8okjhc$ggf$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" " <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:J > >Note you will competing against over 2000 other registered attendees at thisI > >point.  Assuming registration continues growing at the current rate it  willE > >be over 5,000 by the time of Symposium.  These are full conference 	 attendees 1 > >and does not include Tradeshow only attendees.  > > 6 > >You must be registered to sign up for a workshop... > F > Excuse me but what it the URL for registering for these "workshops". > + > www.cets2000.com doesn't get me anywhere.  >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:49:50 -0400a7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com>-Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenO3 Message-ID: <8olnq7$agb$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>    Jeff,   K The main menu page now has a link called "Personalized Scheduler." It linkseL to a page that asks you to come back after noon today.   It's pretty obviousL on the flash site, but it has an arrow to the right side of it that could beC confusing, so I have asked that it be changed to a button that says0I "Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here." Also, we are adding another/L button below that one saying "Sessions at a glance" which will link to a PDFH of a spreadsheet showing the breakout sessions in a grid.  These buttons: should be available on the flash site and the static site.   --Buddy   E =====================================================================e1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> wrote in messagen- news:8olj34$pd8$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...i > Checking your question out...t >e > -- >0 >I > Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc G > =====================================================================yL > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, > news:009EF6AB.80CA5872@SendSpamHere.ORG...C > > In article <8okjhc$ggf$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Informationh	 CETS2000"e$ > <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:L > > >Note you will competing against over 2000 other registered attendees at > thisK > > >point.  Assuming registration continues growing at the current rate ito > willG > > >be over 5,000 by the time of Symposium.  These are full conferenceo > attendeeso3 > > >and does not include Tradeshow only attendees.  > > >o8 > > >You must be registered to sign up for a workshop... > > H > > Excuse me but what it the URL for registering for these "workshops". > >e- > > www.cets2000.com doesn't get me anywhere.w > >a > > --6 > > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >P >e   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 11:39:40 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)tY Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cene+ Message-ID: <ocKrOOjMFO8C@eisner.decus.org>)  m In article <8olnq7$agb$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:b > Jeff,  > M > The main menu page now has a link called "Personalized Scheduler." It links2N > to a page that asks you to come back after noon today.   It's pretty obviousN > on the flash site, but it has an arrow to the right side of it that could beE > confusing, so I have asked that it be changed to a button that saysdK > "Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here." Also, we are adding anotherpN > button below that one saying "Sessions at a glance" which will link to a PDFJ > of a spreadsheet showing the breakout sessions in a grid.  These buttons< > should be available on the flash site and the static site. > 	 > --Buddy0   Jeff,E  > Please get Buddy a VMS machine with the Netscape 3.03 browser. It should be a revelation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:40:07 GMTm= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cen"0 Message-ID: <009EF6C0.4B343138@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <8olnq7$agb$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:e >Jeff, >sL >The main menu page now has a link called "Personalized Scheduler." It linksM >to a page that asks you to come back after noon today.   It's pretty obvioussM >on the flash site, but it has an arrow to the right side of it that could berD >confusing, so I have asked that it be changed to a button that saysJ >"Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here." Also, we are adding anotherM >button below that one saying "Sessions at a glance" which will link to a PDFoI >of a spreadsheet showing the breakout sessions in a grid.  These buttonsF; >should be available on the flash site and the static site.  >k >--Buddy  H Sorry Buddy, I still don't see it.  I've cleared the browser's cache andH and retried the URL, twice.  There is no "Personalized Scheduler" nor is5 there a "Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here"!l   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:46:12 GMTh From: dalecoy@my-deja.comeY Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cen5) Message-ID: <8olujs$n8j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  E I don't see it either, using the latest Netscape.  Of course, there's"* still 15 minutes before the "race" starts.  = I did try searching on the word "workshop", and got 484 hits.   0 In article <009EF6C0.4B343138@SendSpamHere.ORG>,    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:B > In article <8olnq7$agb$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information, CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes: > >Jeff, > >pH > >The main menu page now has a link called "Personalized Scheduler." It linksrG > >to a page that asks you to come back after noon today.   It's prettyy obviousyF > >on the flash site, but it has an arrow to the right side of it that could beF > >confusing, so I have asked that it be changed to a button that saysD > >"Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here." Also, we are adding anotherRF > >button below that one saying "Sessions at a glance" which will link to a PDFC > >of a spreadsheet showing the breakout sessions in a grid.  Thesei buttonsm= > >should be available on the flash site and the static site.a > >d
 > >--Buddy > F > Sorry Buddy, I still don't see it.  I've cleared the browser's cache andiG > and retried the URL, twice.  There is no "Personalized Scheduler" norm is7 > there a "Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here"!u >b > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >m    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:57:22 GMT. From: dalecoy@my-deja.comsY Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cent) Message-ID: <8olv8k$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  G I did not find it really comforting that my PASSWORD was sent to me via,F e-mail, as described below.  I personally object very strongly to that	 practice.t  2 In article <8okjhc$ggf$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>,:   "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote:F > Note you will competing against over 2000 other registered attendees at thisiH > point.  Assuming registration continues growing at the current rate it willD > be over 5,000 by the time of Symposium.  These are full conference	 attendeess0 > and does not include Tradeshow only attendees. >.5 > You must be registered to sign up for a workshop...s > G > =====================================================================e >  > ----- Original Message -----C > From: "Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium Travel Headquarters"  > <CETS2000@travelhq.com>r > To:h( > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:57 PM: > Subject: Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium Scheduler >U > Dear xxxx xxxxxxxxx, >.D > We would like to remind you that our Conference Scheduling Program becomeseG > available online beginning at noon (Central Time) on Thursday, August  31.'A > You can view the entire updated agenda, including all technicalc breakout. > sessions and Hands-on Interactive Workshops. >tB > You MUST use the scheduling program to sign up for your Hands-on Interactive=C > Workshop.  Although we have arranged for more workshops than lastt year,oE > seating is limited.   Don't miss out.  SIGN UP FOR YOUR WORKSHOP OFP CHOICEB > AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and schedule your other conference sessions. YourG > conference badge will be swiped to allow you access to your scheduleda  > Hands-on Interactive Workshop. >uC > To access the Conference Scheduler visit the Conference Web Site:  >  > www.cets2000.com >nG > Click on the link entitled Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here- on the+ > main menu.  Instructions are on the site.  >oD > Use the information below to schedule sessions and/or register for > workshops: >4 > User ID: xxxx-xxxxxxxa >c > Password: xxxxxxx  >u/ > Confirmation Code  (Session ID):  xxxxxxxxxxxl >$E > PLEASE DISREGARD ANY PREVIOUS CONFIRMATION CODE INFORMATION YOU MAY  HAVE/ > RECEIVED AND USE THE CONFIRMATION CODE ABOVE.o >jE > The scheduling application can also help plan your schedule for ther week by H > juggling breakouts, workshops and other sessions to find the best fit.H > Please note that, unlike the Hands-on Interactive Workshops, technicalG > breakout sessions are "open" seating and do not require reservations.e But(@ > please include them as part of your schedule for your planning convenience. >yC > Please print your schedule once you have completed the schedulingt process.? > If you need to make changes or print a schedule onsite at thes symposium, youA > may do so at the Connecting Points Stations in strategic placesa
 throughout$ > the Los Angeles Convention Center. > / > We look forward to seeing you in Los Angeles.E >r, > Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium Team >o4 > Questions:  Email us at:  Information@CETS2000.com >  >p    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:17:43 -0400u& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cens2 Message-ID: <8om0ik$9nj$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>   Will check out   --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc E =====================================================================eJ "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009EF6C0.4B343138@SendSpamHere.ORG...L > In article <8olnq7$agb$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000"" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes: > >Jeff, > >mH > >The main menu page now has a link called "Personalized Scheduler." It linksyG > >to a page that asks you to come back after noon today.   It's prettyt obviousxL > >on the flash site, but it has an arrow to the right side of it that could beF > >confusing, so I have asked that it be changed to a button that saysL > >"Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here." Also, we are adding anotherK > >button below that one saying "Sessions at a glance" which will link to am PDFdK > >of a spreadsheet showing the breakout sessions in a grid.  These buttonst= > >should be available on the flash site and the static site.c > >a
 > >--Buddy >yJ > Sorry Buddy, I still don't see it.  I've cleared the browser's cache andJ > and retried the URL, twice.  There is no "Personalized Scheduler" nor is7 > there a "Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here"!  >h > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:17:49 -0400i& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cend2 Message-ID: <8om0im$9nj$2@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>   Will check out     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc.E =====================================================================gF "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:ocKrOOjMFO8C@eisner.decus.org...sL > In article <8olnq7$agb$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000"" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:	 > > Jeff,m > >tI > > The main menu page now has a link called "Personalized Scheduler." It  linkseH > > to a page that asks you to come back after noon today.   It's pretty obvioustG > > on the flash site, but it has an arrow to the right side of it thata could beG > > confusing, so I have asked that it be changed to a button that saysmE > > "Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here." Also, we are addingt another L > > button below that one saying "Sessions at a glance" which will link to a PDF L > > of a spreadsheet showing the breakout sessions in a grid.  These buttons> > > should be available on the flash site and the static site. > >y > > --Buddyt >d > Jeff,  >u@ > Please get Buddy a VMS machine with the Netscape 3.03 browser. > It should be a revelation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:12:07 GMTk= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cenr0 Message-ID: <009EF6D5.86FFFC68@SendSpamHere.ORG>  E In article <8olujs$n8j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, dalecoy@my-deja.com writes:lF >I don't see it either, using the latest Netscape.  Of course, there's+ >still 15 minutes before the "race" starts.   D Well, the race is on and those of us which DO NOT use PeeCees cannotD even get our feet into the starting blocks!  My personal opinion andD I'm sure is the opinion of others is that this web based CETS regis-D tration system has been a fiasco!  Of course, all of those propellerB beanie donned prepubescent PeeCee weenies from the NT Wizards campD now merged into DECUS will have no problem turning this event into aE propeller beanie donned prepubescent PeeCee weenies convention.  Good.5 luck.  I'm beginning to feel that I've wasted my $$$.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:19:34 -0400o& From: Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com>Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 HighNoon (Cent 7 Message-ID: <5.0.0.13.2.20000831131724.00a03d90@clmail>a  H I've been waiting for the registration screen to work -- supposed to be L on  after 12:00 Central. It's after 1pm Eastern, so I should be able to see  it  now.  7 It's nowhere to be seen on the static navigation page.  ; <http://www6.compaq.com/events/cets2000/staticnav.html> :-(-   This is using MSIE 5.0...0  9 I did see the link on the Flash page from home yesterday.e   Ken Robinson ksrobin@erenj.comT   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 08:28:00 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n5 Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Important Content Informationm+ Message-ID: <vq90rOcjwb0j@eisner.decus.org>i  l In article <8okjn6$8vf$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:& > (detailed session information below) >  > Dear Fellow IT professional: > 8 > I want to give you my personal viewpoint about the new( > Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium.   Dear Information@CETS2000.com:  B Please post a public US Postal Mailing Address for your operation.  7 I have been unable to find it in your glossy brochures.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:27:02 -0400V7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com>-5 Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Important Content Information 2 Message-ID: <8oliv8$ol4$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  D > Please post a public US Postal Mailing Address for your operation. >-9 > I have been unable to find it in your glossy brochures.u   It is on the brochure envelope  * Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium 2000 Program Headquarters PO Box 4900= Fenton, MO. 63099B  # For Tradeshow vendor unique issues.e   www.CETS2000Expo.com   Exhibit Sales Representative
 Nth Degree 490 Boston Post Road Sudbury, MA 01776." 800.841.5646 or 978.443.3330 x1225 psteele@ndegree.comn         --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cciE =====================================================================sF "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:vq90rOcjwb0j@eisner.decus.org... K > In article <8okjn6$8vf$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000"y" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:( > > (detailed session information below) > >x  > > Dear Fellow IT professional: > >r: > > I want to give you my personal viewpoint about the new* > > Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium. >P  > Dear Information@CETS2000.com: >mD > Please post a public US Postal Mailing Address for your operation. >u9 > I have been unable to find it in your glossy brochures.m   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:34:05 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>- Subject: Re: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?mI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008310828100.7984-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>g  ! On 30 Aug 2000, Bob Kaplow wrote:o  L +A colleague is looking for a tool to analyze DCL code. Functionality needed7 +includes a list of modules called, in tree form, [...]t"             ********************** +Any suggestions or pointers?a    Pointers - unfortunatelly not.d2  Suggestion: exact resolution looks as impossible:   $ GOSUB proc'proctype' $ CALL  subr'mySubrClass'e $@'procedurename'k  <  Even system procedures (like STARTUP, where reads the phaseB list from file) uses this way. The power of interpreting mechanism% makes some other 'utilisation' hard !=  
 +	Bob Kaplow	f    Regards - Gotfryd -- >E =====================================================================hF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME=. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:12:13 +0000e$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk- Subject: Re: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?T/ Message-ID: <0025694C.0048446D.00@quegw01.btyp>a  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazat    O There is one - I've used it, although it was probably four years ago or so now.vM It was in use at BT and it gave all the things asked for, including unused or  redundant symbols, labels etc.  O It was a third-party product, and had (of course!) DCL in it's title somewhere..N I think it was mentioned on cov sometime in the last 18 months, so if the deja- archives are back it might be found on there.w  2 If only I could remember what it was called... :-(   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow PagesP        N "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> on 31/08/2000 06:34:05 AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)IP From:      "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>, 31 August 2000,            6:34 a.m.  $ Re: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?        ! On 30 Aug 2000, Bob Kaplow wrote:m  L +A colleague is looking for a tool to analyze DCL code. Functionality needed7 +includes a list of modules called, in tree form, [...]h"             ********************** +Any suggestions or pointers?     Pointers - unfortunatelly not.r2  Suggestion: exact resolution looks as impossible:   $ GOSUB proc'proctype' $ CALL  subr'mySubrClass't $@'procedurename'   <  Even system procedures (like STARTUP, where reads the phaseB list from file) uses this way. The power of interpreting mechanism% makes some other 'utilisation' hard !g   +    Bob Kaplowo    Regards - Gotfryd --E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -           THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEl. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================S   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:03:03 -0300s1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>D- Subject: RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?tK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE9E9@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>t   Steve,  E 	You may be thinking of DCLFast (aka Suzie).  It not too bad but veryPF basic and has trouble with things like symbols set up as commands.  It belonged to Argent Software. - Darren   > ---------- > From: E > Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk[SMTP:Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk]I+ > Sent: 	Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:12 AMa > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 > Subject: 	Re: DCL cross referencer / analyzer? > ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazai >  > L > There is one - I've used it, although it was probably four years ago or so > now.L > It was in use at BT and it gave all the things asked for, including unused > or  > redundant symbols, labels etc. > F > It was a third-party product, and had (of course!) DCL in it's title > somewhere.K > I think it was mentioned on cov sometime in the last 18 months, so if theA > deja/ > archives are back it might be found on there.a > 4 > If only I could remember what it was called... :-( >  > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow Pageso >  >  >  > D > "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> on 31/08/2000
 > 06:34:05 AMg > " > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)eL > From:      "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>, 31 August > 2000,n >            6:34 a.m. > & > Re: DCL cross referencer / analyzer? >  >  >  > # > On 30 Aug 2000, Bob Kaplow wrote:R > G > +A colleague is looking for a tool to analyze DCL code. Functionality  > needed9 > +includes a list of modules called, in tree form, [...]m$ >             ********************** > +Any suggestions or pointers?r > ! >  Pointers - unfortunatelly not.c4 >  Suggestion: exact resolution looks as impossible: >  > $ GOSUB proc'proctype' > $ CALL  subr'mySubrClass'h > $@'procedurename'u > > >  Even system procedures (like STARTUP, where reads the phaseD > list from file) uses this way. The power of interpreting mechanism' > makes some other 'utilisation' hard !s >  > +    Bob Kaplowh >  >  Regards - Gotfryd > --G > =====================================================================sH > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -! >           THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEt0 > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plG > =====================================================================  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyCL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingl of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudacF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:15:39 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk- Subject: RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?o/ Message-ID: <0025694C.005392A8.00@quegw01.btyp>   = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazan  % Yes Darren, thanks. The very product.a  9 Kevin Barkes did a review of it, which you can find here;u  ! http://www.kgb.com/dcl/199309.txt=  A and I found this elsewhere - don't know how relevant it is now...-   DCLFASTl2 $850.00, includes software support for first year.4 Company: Argent, Inc. 203/489-5553 FAX: 203/489-4113 Attn: Scott McCausland 49 Main Street Torrington, CT 06790   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesr        E "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> on 31/08/2000 02:03:03 PMe  : To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, Steve Spires/YellowPages cc:oL From:      "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>, 31 August 2000, 2:03            p.m.n  $ RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?         Steve,  I      You may be thinking of DCLFast (aka Suzie).  It not too bad but veryyF basic and has trouble with things like symbols set up as commands.  It belonged to Argent Software. - Darren   > ---------- > From:iE > Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk[SMTP:Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk]n, > Sent:   Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:12 AM > To:     Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi3 > Subject:     Re: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?n >t? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazat >e >nL > There is one - I've used it, although it was probably four years ago or so > now.L > It was in use at BT and it gave all the things asked for, including unused > or  > redundant symbols, labels etc. > F > It was a third-party product, and had (of course!) DCL in it's title > somewhere.K > I think it was mentioned on cov sometime in the last 18 months, so if thel > deja/ > archives are back it might be found on there.N >M4 > If only I could remember what it was called... :-( >  > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow Pagese >p >  >r >hD > "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> on 31/08/2000
 > 06:34:05 AMt >b" > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) L > From:      "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>, 31 August > 2000,e >            6:34 a.m. >u& > Re: DCL cross referencer / analyzer? >  >  >l >e# > On 30 Aug 2000, Bob Kaplow wrote:m >tG > +A colleague is looking for a tool to analyze DCL code. Functionalityh > needed9 > +includes a list of modules called, in tree form, [...]o$ >             ********************** > +Any suggestions or pointers?n >n! >  Pointers - unfortunatelly not.s4 >  Suggestion: exact resolution looks as impossible: >i > $ GOSUB proc'proctype' > $ CALL  subr'mySubrClass'o > $@'procedurename'  > > >  Even system procedures (like STARTUP, where reads the phaseD > list from file) uses this way. The power of interpreting mechanism' > makes some other 'utilisation' hard !n >> > +    Bob Kaplow2 >  >  Regards - Gotfryd > --G > =====================================================================aH > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -! >           THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME=0 > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plG > =====================================================================0 >F >. >4 >8 >n >a >r >R    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andiJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they K are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingg of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 13:56:52 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)-- Subject: RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?.+ Message-ID: <UYfP838oGase@eisner.decus.org>    In article <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE9E9@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes: G > 	You may be thinking of DCLFast (aka Suzie).  It not too bad but verySH > basic and has trouble with things like symbols set up as commands.  It > belonged to Argent Software.  L I got an email yesterday from someone pointing me to this. Seems the productJ is history, and the support from Argent was well, poor when it was around.   	Bob Kaplow	  J postmaster@127.0.0.1 jeshuel@earthlink.net webmaster@global-prosperity.comD paul@still.zzn.com strategies1221f@hotmail.com Blindfury1010@aol.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:49:37 -0300r1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>l/ Subject: RE: Decstation 3000/300 trouble lightsaK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE9E0@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>a   This means nothing to me but...r   $ exit %Xfa 1 %SYSTEM-E-ILLPAGCNT, illegal page count parameter  $ hel/mess illpagcnt  )  ILLPAGCNT,  illegal page count parametern  '   Facility:     SYSTEM, System Services   G   Explanation:  The number of pages specified for an expand or contractm region'                 request is less than 1..  I   User Action:  Check for a programming error; verify the number of pagesa/                 specified for the service call.s     > ----------9 > From: 	Todd Wipke[SMTP:wipke@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu]d, > Reply To: 	wipke@nospam.chemistry.ucsc.edu+ > Sent: 	Wednesday, August 30, 2000 6:50 PM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 > Subject: 	Re: Decstation 3000/300 trouble lights >  > Todd Wipke wrote:- > > A > > I have a Decstation 3000/300 alpha workstation which fails tomC > > boot.  The diagnostic lights show 1111 1010, but I can not find2A > > my owner's manual or any online copy of same to translate the(F > > code to an indication of what the problem might be.  Could someoneH > > please email me the translation.  Leave out the nospam in the return  > > address.  Thanks in advance. > > -Todd WipkeeD > To clarify it is a DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP and the error code is FA? > in hexidecimal.  The owner's manual does not translate these.f& > Anybody know what the code FA means? > -Todd (remove nospam)i >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andbJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyPL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingh of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda<F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:34:54 GMT3& From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: Direct I/O increase1 Message-ID: <39ae33b4.267440669@news.newsguy.com>I  > On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:12:47 GMT, d_richarz@my-deja.com wrote:  I >Since a couple of days we recognize a high increase of direct I/O in oneoE >particular process that collects data from a database and produces a F >text-based data collection for another program on an external system. > L >Although no further database or file access was added to the data collectorM >program the number of direct I/Os increased from about 250000 to more than 6:G >million. The amount of data itself even decreased during that time. Of@M >course, the general performance of the program gets worse and worse (15 min.mM >total runtime before, now up to 80 min. because of the large number of I/O).t  ? If the database is DBMS you can see exactly these symptoms if aeD database goes into "extents". At some point the database runs out ofA reserved space to group relations together and ends up performinglD sequential searches of the entire area.  DBO/DUMP database will tell  you if any areas are in extents.    M >All the other parameter shown (peak memory sizes, buffered I/Os, page faultsrC >etc.) after the process' termination are about the same as before.C >2N >Has anybody ever recognized a similar behaviour ? Any hint or advice would be
 >appreciated.l >e
 >Sincerely
 >Dirk Richarzi$ >Corus Aluminium Hot Rolled Products >Koblenz, Germanye >  >d' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/n >Before you buy.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 00:41 CST0' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution lista- Message-ID: <31AUG200000413079@gerg.tamu.edu>   A Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes...@ }pmart63@my-deja.com wrote: F }> I want to forward VMS mail messages to a distribution list (runningF }> OpenVMS(Alpha) V7.2-1) for a specific user and I've forgotten. I'veI }> created a distribution list i.e. TEST.DIS then do a a MAIL>SET FORWARDnE }> """@directory-name:DSD.dis""". Attempts to send mail result in they@ }> following error - %MAIL-E-USERSPEC invalid user specificationE }> '@DSD.DIS'. The file format looks OK. Any ideas as I've completelyt }> forgotten ? }  }This is not possible. } ) }Use an addon package like f.ex. DELIVER.  }  }ArneI  E Your IP stack may support SMTP aliases that can be pointed at mailingdI lists. Multinet does - you can add an entry in the MULTINET:SMTP_ALIASES.yD file that points to a file listing the addresses. Any mail that goesG through the Multinet SMTP server that is addressed to that alias (whichpL need not be a real user name) then gets sent to everyone listed in the file.1 (There are instructions at the top of that file.).   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 07:59:25 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) 7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list 0 Message-ID: <8ol38t$b5o$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  W In article <31AUG200000413079@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:lB >Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes... >}pmart63@my-deja.com wrote:G >}> I want to forward VMS mail messages to a distribution list (running.G >}> OpenVMS(Alpha) V7.2-1) for a specific user and I've forgotten. I've J >}> created a distribution list i.e. TEST.DIS then do a a MAIL>SET FORWARDF >}> """@directory-name:DSD.dis""". Attempts to send mail result in theA >}> following error - %MAIL-E-USERSPEC invalid user specificationMF >}> '@DSD.DIS'. The file format looks OK. Any ideas as I've completely >}> forgotten ?= >} = >}This is not possible.r >} -* >}Use an addon package like f.ex. DELIVER. >}   >}Arne >1F >Your IP stack may support SMTP aliases that can be pointed at mailingJ >lists. Multinet does - you can add an entry in the MULTINET:SMTP_ALIASES.E >file that points to a file listing the addresses. Any mail that goesrH >through the Multinet SMTP server that is addressed to that alias (whichM >need not be a real user name) then gets sent to everyone listed in the file.o2 >(There are instructions at the top of that file.)  H And it is even possible to add a forward within VMS-Mail pointing to theL entry in the "MULTINET:SMTP_ALIASES."-file. This way it is possible to force7 mail sent from VMS passing through the Multinet mailer.l   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann(  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:48:50 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list 6 Message-ID: <200008310749_MC2-B1A2-E5A@compuserve.com>  J         The MAIL-11 protocol expects (requires) exactly one acknowledgeme= ntG for each addressee!   You can send mail to a distribution list and meeteJ this requirement.  Each address on the distribution list may be forwarded=  J to a single address and it still works.  If you use a distribution list a= s=J a forwarding address, the one to one acknowledge required by the protocol=   breaks.G  J         Up until VMS V4.x you could forward mail to a distribution list i= nTJ the sense that it was allowed and sometimes did something reasonable but = itD never worked properly and could not be made to work properly withoutH expending more effort than DEC wanted to invest in a "free" product thatF competed with All-In-1 Mail.  VMS MAIL has always been an orphan since All-In-1 mail came along!8  E         If you need to forward mail to a distribution list, there aremH solutions available.  I believe that All-In-1 mail can do it.   There isG also something called DELIVER that can handle it.  DELIVER used to shiptH with PMDF but was a "No charge" item and I believe that it was/is freely distributable.    + Message text written by "Barry Treahy, Jr."u >Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:1   > pmart63@my-deja.com wrote:G > > I want to forward VMS mail messages to a distribution list (running G > > OpenVMS(Alpha) V7.2-1) for a specific user and I've forgotten. I'veoJ > > created a distribution list i.e. TEST.DIS then do a a MAIL>SET FORWAR= DwF > > """@directory-name:DSD.dis""". Attempts to send mail result in theA > > following error - %MAIL-E-USERSPEC invalid user specificationpF > > '@DSD.DIS'. The file format looks OK. Any ideas as I've completely > > forgotten ?o >o > This is not possible.  >t  J What is sad about this is that it is very 'do-able' in Un*x using aliases=  H and SMTP.  VMS can to an extent handle lists, why they drop the ball and7 didn't allow it on forwarding is really the question...  <t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:53:47 +0200A= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution list ) Message-ID: <39AE474B.478C8EAF@gtech.com>u   pmart63@my-deja.com wrote:J >      I must have got it mixed up with mail using distribution lists (notH > forwarding). What's that F. EX deliver you mention - has it's provider > (who is it??) got a web site?   7 There exist two versions of DELIVER. One ships with them8 commercial product PMDF. The other is freeware. Actually6 the code are equivalent, because the author of DELIVER is working for Innosoft.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:55:47 +0200S= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution lists) Message-ID: <39AE47C3.B7DF84ED@gtech.com>a   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote: > > pmart63@my-deja.com wrote:I > > > I want to forward VMS mail messages to a distribution list (running=I > > > OpenVMS(Alpha) V7.2-1) for a specific user and I've forgotten. I'veRL > > > created a distribution list i.e. TEST.DIS then do a a MAIL>SET FORWARDH > > > """@directory-name:DSD.dis""". Attempts to send mail result in theC > > > following error - %MAIL-E-USERSPEC invalid user specification*H > > > '@DSD.DIS'. The file format looks OK. Any ideas as I've completely > > > forgotten ?s > >d > > This is not possible.n > K > What is sad about this is that it is very 'do-able' in Un*x using aliaseshJ > and SMTP.  VMS can to an extent handle lists, why they drop the ball and9 > didn't allow it on forwarding is really the question...n  A I think it is doable with all/most SMTP packages on VMS. At leaste PMDF and MX has easy solutions.d  D The problem are with DECnet email. I think there are a subtleness inC the Mail-11 protocol, that forced Digital to prohibit this feature.*   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:21:45 +0200 5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>l7 Subject: Re: Forwarding VMS mail to a distribution listz- Message-ID: <39AE4DD9.9A453688@whitehouse.nl>.  2 Sure it can be done. All you need is UCX for this.  G You can create your distribution file in sys$specific:[ucx$smtp] (or ins- [tcpip$smtp] for V5), for instance like this:   , $ create sys$specific:[tcpip$smtp]testje.dis user1s user2e user3n * EXIT * $ mail MAIL> set forward "smtp%testje"0  A And now mail will be forwarded for you to all users in testje.dis    So yes, it *can* be done...    Oswald   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 01:20 CSTs' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS- Message-ID: <31AUG200001205563@gerg.tamu.edu>A  & djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson writes... }"Terry C. Shannon" wrote:N }> Well, there's another way to lobby the Q re: OpenVMS. Buy a share or ten of }> CPQ,  }  }How does one do that, Terry?v } I }I've never heard of a broker who'll accept orders less than about $5,000y }or so.n }  }David J. Dachtera  E I take it that you have never heard of discount brokerages or on-lineaD brokerages (which are just about all in the steep discount range)...  E Try E*TRADE. They even use VMS. You can buy a single share of a penny1 stock, if you want.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:23:43 GMT: From: arcarlini@my-deja.como Subject: Re: I&DS Book Question ) Message-ID: <8ol86i$sp5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>w  0 In article <009EF647.F32F3588@SendSpamHere.ORG>,    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:G > As for your first question, the manuals which were made available via G > Digital Press were: VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V3.3) EY-00014-DP, VAX/VMSe@ > I&DS (based on V4.4) EY-8264E-DP, VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V5.2): > EY-C171E- DP and of course the Alpha muals you've cited.A > There were the preliminary installments and there was a versionsD > based on V2.2 which I'm not sure was ever offered by Digital Press > for public sale -- I'm betterd$ > as VMS internals than VMS history.  C There certainly was a V2.2 - I have a partial copy of one which wascB distributed to customers who attended one of the internals coursesA that DEC used to offer. There was also a version which looks like0E it was distributed through DECUS, possibly at one of the conferences.?   Antoniol      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:48:28 +0100u  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: I&DS Book Question*H Message-ID: <OFB9CF664C.EC0CF800-ON8025694C.003B566C@qedi.quintiles.com>   Antonio quoted:s3 >>>In article <009EF647.F32F3588@SendSpamHere.ORG>,:    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:G > As for your first question, the manuals which were made available viaeG > Digital Press were: VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V3.3) EY-00014-DP, VAX/VMSa@ > I&DS (based on V4.4) EY-8264E-DP, VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V5.2): > EY-C171E- DP and of course the Alpha muals you've cited.A > There were the preliminary installments and there was a version=D > based on V2.2 which I'm not sure was ever offered by Digital Press > for public sale -- I'm better $ > as VMS internals than VMS history.  C There certainly was a V2.2 - I have a partial copy of one which was=B distributed to customers who attended one of the internals coursesA that DEC used to offer. There was also a version which looks like*H it was distributed through DECUS, possibly at one of the conferences.<<<  B There was also a v5.3 one.  This was still available at one of theF bookshops I visited earlier this year (new, old stock), although I wasJ actually after something different (the elusive, reasonably priced copy ofH the VAXCluster Principles text......  For which I'm still searching....)   Steve.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:15:00 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)* Subject: Re: I&DS Book Question*0 Message-ID: <009EF6AC.05531502@SendSpamHere.ORG>  G In article <8ol86i$sp5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, arcarlini@my-deja.com writes:.1 >In article <009EF647.F32F3588@SendSpamHere.ORG>,s! >  system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:DH >> As for your first question, the manuals which were made available viaH >> Digital Press were: VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V3.3) EY-00014-DP, VAX/VMSA >> I&DS (based on V4.4) EY-8264E-DP, VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V5.2) ; >> EY-C171E- DP and of course the Alpha muals you've cited. B >> There were the preliminary installments and there was a versionE >> based on V2.2 which I'm not sure was ever offered by Digital Presse  >> for public sale -- I'm better% >> as VMS internals than VMS history.w >aD >There certainly was a V2.2 - I have a partial copy of one which wasC >distributed to customers who attended one of the internals coursestB >that DEC used to offer. There was also a version which looks likeF >it was distributed through DECUS, possibly at one of the conferences. >o >Antonio  C I know that there was a V2.2 and I have it.  I said I don't believe68 it was ever offered a a book for sale via Digital Press.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMg   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:22:22 GMTn= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)x Subject: Re: I&DS Book Questionp0 Message-ID: <009EF6AD.0C92781C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <OFB9CF664C.EC0CF800-ON8025694C.003B566C@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:a >  >Antonio quoted:4 >>>>In article <009EF647.F32F3588@SendSpamHere.ORG>,! >  system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:mH >> As for your first question, the manuals which were made available viaH >> Digital Press were: VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V3.3) EY-00014-DP, VAX/VMSA >> I&DS (based on V4.4) EY-8264E-DP, VAX/VMS I&DS (based on V5.2)-; >> EY-C171E- DP and of course the Alpha muals you've cited.iB >> There were the preliminary installments and there was a versionE >> based on V2.2 which I'm not sure was ever offered by Digital Pressn  >> for public sale -- I'm better% >> as VMS internals than VMS history.d >mD >There certainly was a V2.2 - I have a partial copy of one which wasC >distributed to customers who attended one of the internals coursesaB >that DEC used to offer. There was also a version which looks likeI >it was distributed through DECUS, possibly at one of the conferences.<<<w > C >There was also a v5.3 one.  This was still available at one of the*   ^^C @@  Really!  I'd have to request that Ruth herself respond to this.y    G >bookshops I visited earlier this year (new, old stock), although I wasbK >actually after something different (the elusive, reasonably priced copy oftI >the VAXCluster Principles text......  For which I'm still searching....)d  K I searched the BH web site and it appears that it is no longer in print! :(m  3 I'll ask about it when I speak with them this week.d   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 09:01:13 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie) Subject: Re: I&DS Book Question ! Message-ID: <bVZZ80WnkgnT@flying>i  1 In article <009EF647.F32F3588@SendSpamHere.ORG>, n? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:W  J > There were the preliminary installments and there was a version based onK > V2.2 which I'm not sure was ever offered by Digital Press for public sales2 > -- I'm better as VMS internals than VMS history.  H You are thinking of AA-K785A-TE, "VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures"> for VAX/VMS V2.2.   It is a ~600 page 8.5" x 11" paperback.   ; It's the one with the horizontal blue stripes on the cover.f? It was published before Digital Press became a separate entity.s  < While the title page gives a publication date of April 1981,6 I seem to recall that I purchased it before that date.   Alan   -- eB --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 10:10:03 GMT& From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>  Subject: Indentifying DLT drives( Message-ID: <8olatr$il$1@kadath.deep.it>   Hi!a  E A friend of mine have 2 DLT tapes, but he doesnt't know anything morem+ than what I suppose to be the model number.    This is what he said me:
 	TH4AB-EM 	 	TZ97N-BX   0 Can someone tell me some what exactly are these?  
 	backupingly,m 	   Cthulhur -- y  G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!C# 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>K   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:45:09 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?6 Message-ID: <200008310641.IAA25435@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  D you are all right: MHz is not all. But it is marketing. Why does AMD@ and Intel fight the MHz war? AMD does not say we have the betterC systembus, the better architecture implementation, the smaller chipiA design. The did say: "We do have the fastestes CPU (MHz)." Now do1B Intel say: "We do have the fastestes CPU (MHz)." The OpenVMSler do> know the truth, but do the normal PC user also know the truth.C My question did have an other direction. I did see, that Compaq didlB sold 1.25GHz Alphas to the NNSA, and so I would like to know, when do they relise them.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:04:45 GMTd4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?< Message-ID: <1Ctr5.59394$_s1.696745@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message 0 news:200008310641.IAA25435@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, >tF > you are all right: MHz is not all. But it is marketing. Why does AMDB > and Intel fight the MHz war? AMD does not say we have the betterE > systembus, the better architecture implementation, the smaller chip-C > design. The did say: "We do have the fastestes CPU (MHz)." Now don2 > Intel say: "We do have the fastestes CPU (MHz)."  L Given that Intel and AMD chips share a common architecture (IA32), price andH MHz are the only differentiators between the two products. Hence AMD has  little choice but to stress MHz.   > The OpenVMSler doj@ > know the truth, but do the normal PC user also know the truth.  L Depends on what trade rag they read and how seriously they take the constant deluge of Intel advertisements.a  E > My question did have an other direction. I did see, that Compaq did D > sold 1.25GHz Alphas to the NNSA, and so I would like to know, when > do they relise them.  < 833MHz parts will ship in ES-series systems later this year.  < 1044MHz parts will ship in GS-series systems in ~March 2001.  D ~1200MHz parts should be available in 2H01, but that's just a guess.   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:35:56 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>9 Subject: Re: It's too bad all those VAXen only ran VMS...d6 Message-ID: <200008310632.IAA25390@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hellof  E AFAIK there are some VAXen where you can run EWS on. Also there souldP  be a VAXeln or so for the VAXen.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 11:35:00 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: kill nslookup. Message-ID: <8olft4$jtm$1@info.service.rug.nl>  + I have TCPIP V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.2-1 Alpha..  E I often want to kill nslookup, especially when LYNX tries to look up uF something and takes longer than I want, but also at other times.  How + can this be killed (^C, ^Y etc don't work).-  H Also, has the following but in SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE been fixed  yet (I'll be upgrading soon):i    $  RUN SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP$ Default Server:  thales.astro.rug.nl Address:  129.125.6.224t   > EXIT Server:  thales.astro.rug.nl Address:  129.125.6.224   A *** thales.astro.rug.nl can't find EXIT: Non-existent host/domainm > exit $e  H Note that Exit does not work either, but pressing ^Z does (difficult to E do in a .COM file, however, which is where I often run this program).m     --M Phillip Helbig                       Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nl0M Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.uk(M Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647iM Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100rM NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/o  5 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.h  N <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 12:09:04 GMT1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi>n Subject: Re: LDAP 2 Message-ID: <01c01344$7b0a2460$bb0ba8c0@rlhkikker>  A LDAP support comes with OpenVMS Netscape Fast Track server 3.01A.  Look:r  F http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/721final/6564/6564pro.html#heading_7  # I don't know the price, ask Compaq.g   Kari Keronen  @ Arthur E. Ragosta <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov> wrote in article* <39AD7F13.2D910595@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>...E > We are currently using PMDF, but may drop it soon.  (I'm really nottH > happy about it becoming a SUN product).  Besides the Innosoft product, > are there any affordable! > LDAP servers available for VMS?t >  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 14:18:03 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: LDAP 6 Message-ID: <8olper$jr6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  m In article <39AD7F13.2D910595@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>, "Arthur E. Ragosta" <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov> writes:t2 :...any affordable LDAP servers available for VMS?  E   LDAP support is integrated into the next OpenVMS release, currently    in field test.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 12:09:54 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: LDAPi+ Message-ID: <G7GiLuYmcOSB@eisner.decus.org>   k In article <8olper$jr6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:c > o > In article <39AD7F13.2D910595@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>, "Arthur E. Ragosta" <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov> writes: 4 > :...any affordable LDAP servers available for VMS? > G >   LDAP support is integrated into the next OpenVMS release, currentlyn >   in field test.  E Well actually, if the current SDK for VMS V7.3 FT1 is representative,I+ what is provided is LDAP _client_ software.P  E If you want an LDAP _server_ supported by Compaq, the X.500 DirectoryeA Service provides that.  It is a recent enhancement to support the-= LDAP protocol in addition to the heavyweight X.500 protocols.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:51:40 -0400F% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>s Subject: Re: LDAPA$ Message-ID: <39ae8cbc$1@news.si.com>  F >  LDAP support is integrated into the next OpenVMS release, currently >  in field test.w  I Is that for both VAX and Alpha, or is this ANOTHER change that Compaq hasVH decided, for no good reason, to keep away from the VAX-runners out here? --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.como= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 16:59:03 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: LDAP 6 Message-ID: <8om2sn$l5d$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  L In article <39ae8cbc$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> writes:G :>  LDAP support is integrated into the next OpenVMS release, currentlyh :>  in field test. :tJ :Is that for both VAX and Alpha, or is this ANOTHER change that Compaq hasI :decided, for no good reason, to keep away from the VAX-runners out here?3  I   What I see for LDAP support in the current OpenVMS source libraries is .I   targeted for OpenVMS Alpha, and not for OpenVMS VAX.  I don't know what F   specific plans for OpenVMS VAX support of LDAP are in place, if any.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:21:08 +0200 (MET DST)w& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>1 Subject: Re: NFS (PCNFS) does no lomger function! 6 Message-ID: <200008310617.IAA25364@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  G thanks to TSC Muenchen. The did findout the problem[s]. There are threei problem:  ; 	1. The hostname and the IP address does not match. NFS useG> 	   the hostname instead of the IP address to identify itself.; 	   In case of this the hostname of the remote system underw= 	   OpenVMS must be identical with them on the remote system.   8 	2. Since the Solaris 2.6 release the Sun and Sun PC-NFS: 	   (including the successor) tries to mount the disk with: 	   a newer NFS version as the UCX. Here is a question, is; 	   there (like True64) an automount option to use NFS ver- 8 	   sion 2 instead of version 3? The most error messages< 	   do report the NFS version 3 mount (invalid RPC version).  8 	3. Also it looks that Sun did change the requestors ID.7 	   Under NFS version 3 we see entries with UID = 0 andm: 	   GID = 0. This did we never see before. After the mount: 	   failed Solaris tries to mount with NFS version 2. This8 	   function successful with requestors ID: UID = -2 and: 	   GID = -2, which I have mapped to an operators account.  B Hope this helps other. which me be have same error messages found.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:24:02 -0500C1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>.. Subject: Oracle/VMS (in the US) teleconference8 Message-ID: <8olt3g$mhv$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  8 Anyone tune in to this week's Oracle/VMS teleconference?   Comments   Dave...a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:17:12 -0400o  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com2 Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS (in the US) teleconference4 Message-ID: <C225694C.0058D598.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  @ Not much that was not already known by those who paid attention.6 (And requires a very large application (no surprize)).I Won't be fully available until 2002, IIRC.  Uses a modified version (froma Oracle)3 of the Apache server tba 10/00.         3 david.gudewicz@abbott.com on 08/31/2000 11:24:02 AM    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com0 cc:2/ Subject:  Oracle/VMS (in the US) teleconferencet        8 Anyone tune in to this week's Oracle/VMS teleconference?   Comments   Dave...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:03:19 +0400e3 From: Permission Please <marketmoney2000@yahoo.com>E Subject: Permission Please- Message-ID: <0G0500OGLG04AG@mx.west.saic.com>e   Hi,.  3 May I kindly request your permission to send you=20 3 information for an offer on a Business Opportunity?   5 I think you will be pleased with what I have to offerw YOU.  > There is no out-of-pocket expenses required and the program=20/ is totally free to join with some nice bonuses.l  < If You agree to accept my request, please send a blank reply	 email to:o   sixfigure@builditfast.comi  = If you decline my request, there is no need for any action asn@ this is a one time offer and you will receive no further contact from me.  4 Thank YOU for Your time and SORRY for bothering YOU.   Best Regards      9 _________________________________________________________t   Do You Yahoo!?  9 Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.coml   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 14:26:06 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised)6 Message-ID: <8olptu$jr6$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K In article <39AD9FD2.4F8C7566@vrx.net>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:SF :It's been a while since I looked at this TK50, when you see the filesC :you'll see why I was a bit reluctant to investigate further. it is  :indeed a backup set (sorry).e  A   You have a LAN Manager kit for OS/2 -- not an OS/2 kit for VAX.bA   Based solely on the file dates, it looks to be a V2.x release, 4   and probably the V2.2 kit.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:23:05 -0400b+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>e" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?1 Message-ID: <39ADF9C9.3D4E2E0E@trailing-edge.com>a   Ramon L. Tate wrote:L > I, too, think it was becoming clear by then: I wrote my first professionalF > (i.e. not just fiddling around) program in 1971 to solve a system ofJ > simultaneous equations - on a desktop computer! (a Smith Corona-MarchantK > machine, 100 registers, with an external magnetic tape drive). While this J > machine cost a bit under $10K, IIRC, it was obvious that computing powerJ > was rising like a rocket while the price was falling like a rock. All itJ > would take was the "killer app" (VisiCalc, as I see it) for really largeH > numbers of people to see that there WAS a real use for those otherwise > expensive toys.s  A What "killer apps" have we had since Visicalc?  Sure, there's theCA WWW, but I would argue that's a step backwards from the "computern? power on every desktop" trend, as it's more properly thought of78 in the centralized server/distributed terminal paradigm.   Tim.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:21:52 GMT & From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?1 Message-ID: <39ae2fab.266407563@news.newsguy.com>s  8 On Wed, 30 Aug 00 08:53:27 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:  1 >In article <39ab70a9.86436118@news.newsguy.com>,m  F >>The major blunder in my opinion was lying to customers. We had heardG >>the rumours about cancellation and called in DEC who absolutely pointnH >>blank assured as that Jupiter would not be cancelled., Absolutely 100% >>categorically assured us.d >r) >Did you have a non-disclosure agreement?   E Yes but I assume nobody will take my to court for breaking it so manycD years later. A number of UK universities were given 2020s free whileF they waited for Jupiter as well. Wonder how much that cost if repeated? worldwide? Which reminds me of a TOPS-20 cookie. Don't know who F originated it but it said: "The 2020 was really made in Poland by IBM"   >>) >>Then they cancelled it two weeks later.f > : >And that was the best thing that could have happened.  If9 >the Jupiter project had continued, there would have beenl: >no funding for implementing DECnet Phase III and IV.  The4 >company would have tanked in 1985 rather than 1995.  E I've certainly heard the cost argument before but that doesn't excusecD misleading a customer. Even the worst figures I've seen for the 2080> put it at 10 times the performance of the VAX 11-780. The mostE optimistic figures were around thirty times. The majority of academicg> sites I am aware of did not buy DEC hardware to replace the KL machines after this fiasco.n   >/BAH. >  >i( >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 31 Aug 00 08:34:18 GMTm From: jmfbahciv@aol.comd" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8olg3a$8f8$1@bob.news.rcn.net>t  1 In article <39ae2fab.266407563@news.newsguy.com>,e*    A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) wrote:9 >On Wed, 30 Aug 00 08:53:27 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:e >t2 >>In article <39ab70a9.86436118@news.newsguy.com>, >bG >>>The major blunder in my opinion was lying to customers. We had heard H >>>the rumours about cancellation and called in DEC who absolutely pointI >>>blank assured as that Jupiter would not be cancelled., Absolutely 100%  >>>categorically assured us. >>* >>Did you have a non-disclosure agreement? >yF >Yes but I assume nobody will take my to court for breaking it so many >years later.   : That wasn't why I asked the question.  The non-disclosure : business was a joke because customers (who didn't have the8 agreement) would call Jim up and tell him stuff that he ; didn't know and ask him to verify the so-called rumor.  (We 7 sometimes had the opinion that applying a piece of ducta; tape across the mouths of project managers and sales peopley, would have been a really cost saving ECO.)    ; I asked the question because there was a flurry of activity 8 trying to get the cancellation info out to the customers8 that did sign an agreement before the rumor mill got out7 their drums.  IIRC, it took three days for our managersr1 to tell us after the first rumor of cancellation..        8 >A number of UK universities were given 2020s free whileG >they waited for Jupiter as well. Wonder how much that cost if repeated? >worldwide?   > Jeez.  Everybody seems to have been stupid about that project.> I remember fighting with my last breath with the FORTRAN group! to not write the OTS ala Jupiter.e    5 >Which reminds me of a TOPS-20 cookie. Don't know who G >originated it but it said: "The 2020 was really made in Poland by IBM"e  C I hadn't heard that one. :-)  I couldn't get my work done on a 20202A so I mostly ignored it except for certification and system access  crises.e       >a >>>u* >>>Then they cancelled it two weeks later. >>; >>And that was the best thing that could have happened.  Ifo: >>the Jupiter project had continued, there would have been; >>no funding for implementing DECnet Phase III and IV.  The.5 >>company would have tanked in 1985 rather than 1995.w >eF >I've certainly heard the cost argument before but that doesn't excuse >misleading a customer.   B I'm not excusing it.  I think we sorta gave up trying to "correct": that behaviour after the SMP fiasco.  Instead there was an? underground created as far as TOPS-10 customers were concerned,e* especially when DECUS funding was chopped.  . >Even the worst figures I've seen for the 20807 >put it at 10 times the performance of the VAX 11-780. s  ; Whoopy-skip.  It wouldn't have run a TOPS operating system.d: I'm not sure how to say this to get the point across.  The: only thing the customers really, really cared about wasn't6 how sexy fast the CPU ran.  It was how much work their: users got done.  And single CPU configurations just didn't cut it...and they still don't.    	 >The mostsF >optimistic figures were around thirty times. The majority of academic? >sites I am aware of did not buy DEC hardware to replace the KLe >machines after this fiasco.  ? That was the second time they had been screwed.  The first timeyB was cancelling TOPS-10 development which JMF and TW got corrected.@ But that particular fuckup gave the strong hint to the customers@ which way DEC's wind was blowing.  Something that VAX/VMS people5 never learned was that our customers were not stupid.o   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.e   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 31 Aug 00 08:44:40 GMTd From: jmfbahciv@aol.comr" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8olgmn$8f8$2@bob.news.rcn.net>o  7 In article <ALDERSON.00Aug30182517@netcom2.netcom.com>,-?    alderson@netcom2.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) wrote:oI >In article <8ogvs1$1in7$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) @ writes:i >r: >> In article <ALDERSON.00Aug28112514@netcom2.netcom.com>,7 >> Richard M. Alderson III <alderson@netcom.com> wrote:o >oL >>> MG20 was a memory module on the KL, introduced in the mid-80s.  Allowed  aaJ >>> full 4MW to be installed (MF20 maxed out at 3MW, in more cabinetry).   So I/ >>> don't think it's what you were thinking of.e >g; >> The MG20 foul-up is why the large PDP-10 sites switched e >>to 3rd party memory. > 7 >Remember that I've *always* used Tops-20, Joe.  MG-20 ., >worked just fine on my systems at Stanford. >t2 >But Barb used the word _cancellation_, and I was  >questioning *that* word: Sincee6 >I had the boards in my systems, I couldn't don't see  >how it was cancelled.  ; I thought I had included a caveat about the nomenclature (I : never really got all that hardware mumbo-jumbo straight in6 my head).  Ok, since the MG20 existed, then the memory5 project that was cancelled wasn't the MG20.  It also r7 couldn't have been just 4-way interleaved memory but ani= n-way interleaved, where n may have been 8.  The cancellation > announcement caused an emergency discussion between JMF and TW= about "how the fuck were they going to continue developement r7 when the hardware guys weren't going to do shit for ther software guys".b   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.-   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 31 Aug 00 08:54:27 GMTa From: jmfbahciv@aol.comn" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8olh92$8f8$4@bob.news.rcn.net>s  2 In article <8oj9rd$1ge7$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>,,    peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:H >In article <8oimep$pna$3@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:6 >>My point is that these guys didn't use computers the >>way you and I did. > 3 >So someone who could sit Bell down with a copy of .8 >Hamurabbi or Advent would have made all the difference? >r7 I don't know.  I think he had a 36-bit allergy from thes9 beginning.  I never figured out why.  But, yes, somethingD4 like that would have made all the difference.  I had4 already started on Win because he actually wanted a 8 Visicalc on a screen (we didn't have screens back then);3 we tried to create something his secretary could don4 with RUNOFF but I had to explain to him how it would3 just take more of her time with that particular waym5 of formatting.  I then told him what really needed toe7 be done but that I wasn't the one to do the programmingi7 (I was already getting into hot water trying to get all.0 of our documentation in bits rather than paper).  9 I don't know how much he understood of my verbal spec but 9 he was very nice about being told "no".  My boss had shit-9 conniptions when I told her that I turned down Win's job. 2 Oh, brother!  Did I get into trouble for that one.     /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.@   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 11:41:48 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?2 Message-ID: <8olg9s$2lqq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  1 In article <39ADF9C9.3D4E2E0E@trailing-edge.com>, - Tim Shoppa  <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:M/ >What "killer apps" have we had since Visicalc?e  $ Electric Pencil was before Visicalc.  L Let's see... what apps made people buy computers, and only pick the earliest" of the class I can remember. Hmmm.  I MacWrite. dBase. Autocad. Deluxe Paint. Quicken. Flight Simulator. Deluxe $ Music. Procomm. Basic. Pascal. Doom.   -- e# Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.					WWFD?P  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)h   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 31 Aug 00 08:57:21 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.comg" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8olheg$8f8$5@bob.news.rcn.net>n  = In article <TChr5.15868$pu4.1145946@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,X/    Ric Werme <werme@nospam.mediaone.net> wrote:  >jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >o: >>And that's because, in order to prepare for the sale to < >>Compaq, all of the profitable pieces of Digital were sold. >sH >And a lot of losing pieces.  Selling the Hudson Fab to Intel as part ofF >a patent infringement settlement was a wonderful move, about the only1 >praiseworthy thing Bob Palmer did in his tenure.i >pF >VMS was kept.  Like it or not, they bring in a Gigabuck a year or so. >-1 >DECnet was sold.  Can't argue with that, either.d >aB >When Digital floated a junk bond in 1992/93 when I rejoined afterC >Alliant's demise, that really brought home how utterly clueless KO.  A KO didn't float that bond; Palmer did.  I viewed as an accounting 6 tool to strip the company of every real piece of cash.    D >and Digital were about what the computer industry had morphed into.F >I suspect if Digital hadn't started layoffs and selling divisions forE >another 6 months, chapter 11 would have been a distinct possibility.e  7 It was part of the plan to strip DEC of all its assets.p   >nG >Not too many people left that think 3 hours lunches on Thursday/FridayV >are the norm.  :-)e    9 I didn't know that 3 hour lunches had ever been the norm.l   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.h   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 31 Aug 00 10:22:15 GMT- From: jmfbahciv@aol.com " Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8olmdm$709$2@bob.news.rcn.net>.  0 In article <39AD3D5D.6F1FE15D@bellatlantic.net>,)    hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote:4D >I will leave the previous exchanges in as I saw them. My comment is >below.r >e >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:b >>  3 >> In article <39ab70a9.86436118@news.newsguy.com>, - >>    A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) wrote:d< >> >On Mon, 28 Aug 00 11:15:49 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> > >> >A >> >>And how did that personal enthusiam get started?  By getting A >> >>an exposure to computing at an early age.  The -10s and -20sS= >> >>got a lot of kids started when they were at college age.  >> >G >> >One of the few things I have in common with Bill Gates. Of course I4D >> >didn't reverse engineer DEC Basic then make a fortune out of it. >> > >> >G >> >>>The 10/20 Jupiter fiasco was just the first (major) such blunder,n >> >>3D >> >>No.  The first blunder was cancelling the MG20. (I think that's >> >>the hardware name.) >> >H >> >The major blunder in my opinion was lying to customers. We had heardI >> >the rumours about cancellation and called in DEC who absolutely pointeJ >> >blank assured as that Jupiter would not be cancelled., Absolutely 100% >> >categorically assured us.t >> e+ >> Did you have a non-disclosure agreement?e >> n >> >+ >> >Then they cancelled it two weeks later.- >> -< >> And that was the best thing that could have happened.  If; >> the Jupiter project had continued, there would have been < >> no funding for implementing DECnet Phase III and IV.  The6 >> company would have tanked in 1985 rather than 1995. >Barb,= >I respect your opinions but I do not know the basis for this-7 >comment.  I could be wrong, my information is based on 9 >first hand data, and I had already left DEC LCG when the > >cancellation occurred.  Let me recount what I know and please >correct or amplify what I say.  >e@ >KC-10 was 100K ECL based micromachine/engine implementation of ; >PDP10 ISP.  The chips used were from Fairchild - there was2- >a risk there in our opinions, single source.c >3H >The micromachines/engines were horizontally microcoded (i.e. VLIW microI >instrcution). By the nature of the design, the I/O andwidth and Compute cF >power was programmable. note the word WAS..This means that you could , >tune the balance between them in microcode. > D >Bugs Mclean and Ted Hess worked the simulator and a good bit of theB >microcode. Pat Sullivan did the memory - much like the MG design.H >Don M. and Bob E. did the microengines and a good bit of the microcode. >.C >Ron Bingham was the manger, with Don Lewine and Nat Kerlinovich as C >the front office trying to keep Bell and the vax folks out of our e >day to day efforts. >eD >Hardware manufacturing cost - for the CPU card set - was just underD >50K. Just a little cheaper than the Venus prediction. The microcodeG >interaction between the micromachines/engines was complex.  We did not@@ >have many tools beyond the simulator to verify interaction and : >performance so we had to brute force the system at times. > I >With a manufacturing cost of 50K for the cpu, a fairly aggressive markuprI >would have really changed the $/MIPS formula used at the time. There was_B >at the very least two majorly committed customers who planned to 6 >purchase the first two years of production out right. >- >How does your comment apply?G  > You are ignoring the cost of doing the software.  The hardware; isn't any damn good unless there's an operating system thatt8 can run on it.  There wasn't much funding going into the7 software side; all the money was going into the JupiterS: hardware project (we considered it a black hole).  InsteadB of continuing to throw funding down a black hole, the cancellation7 caused funding to be redirected to developing software.a= There wouldn't have been any DECnet funding, making a Jupitera= system moot since it wouldn't have been online anywhere (they : weren't going to allow ANF-10 to hang off of that precious gear).   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:29:26 GMT-  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?8 Message-ID: <o4usqsso9a3jgs8h7anmmac88hk4lj4pg9@4ax.com>  + On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:26:27 GMT, Ric Werme." <werme@nospam.mediaone.net> wrote:   >jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: > : >>And that's because, in order to prepare for the sale to < >>Compaq, all of the profitable pieces of Digital were sold. >sH >And a lot of losing pieces.  Selling the Hudson Fab to Intel as part ofF >a patent infringement settlement was a wonderful move, about the only1 >praiseworthy thing Bob Palmer did in his tenure.R >iF >VMS was kept.  Like it or not, they bring in a Gigabuck a year or so. >i1 >DECnet was sold.  Can't argue with that, either.s >eB >When Digital floated a junk bond in 1992/93 when I rejoined afterC >Alliant's demise, that really brought home how utterly clueless KOsD >and Digital were about what the computer industry had morphed into.F >I suspect if Digital hadn't started layoffs and selling divisions forE >another 6 months, chapter 11 would have been a distinct possibility.7  F Chapter 11?  Seriously?  I always thought DEC's exceptionally low debt? made their losses tolerable... assuming, of course, that they'd D eventually turn things around.  Heck, by the time Compaq bought DEC,D they had over $3.5Billion in the bank... and this is *after* all the charges from the layoffs.b  @ How the heck could a company with that much scratch need to file Chapter 11?h     > G >Not too many people left that think 3 hours lunches on Thursday/Friday  >are the norm.  :-)d  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:11:32 -0500a* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>$ Subject: Re[2]: Six Figure Income !!- Message-ID: <0033000003596076000002L062*@MHS>r   =0A 3      I used to work with a guy who was colloquiallyn      called "Dr. Dave"...e  )      Would your last name start with a B?-    H ______________________________ Reply Separator ________________________=	 _________d! Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !!e2 Author:  Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Date:    8/30/00 10:25 AMe     Yes, it is!t  < And most of the time, either the remove URL is invalid, they7 want you to call them (at cost), or they simply pass onu6 your e-mail address to another spam list.  So much for> the government "looking out for us"; doesn't work, never will.   Dr. Dave  > P.S.  To all Internet marketers: you have my permission to not> include my e-mail address in your distribution list or pass it on to someone else.i  0 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:36:37 -0500, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:   >l. >Your name has been referred to me as a fellow6 >"opportunity seeker" and I know you will be impressed >by this special event!!7 >------------------------------------------------------M3 >Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US 7 >Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as long 1 >as the sender includes contact information and ae3 >method of removal. Removal instructions located on, >bottom of message.M >j >     <remaining spam snipped> >a; >     Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* whatr >     is or is not spam! >i/ >     Is the term "ignorant spammer" redundant?o >c
 >     WWWebb=    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:43:18 -0400n' From: David Beatty <dabeat@wnt.sas.com>t( Subject: Re: Re[2]: Six Figure Income !!2 Message-ID: <5YquOT8PRVF98jEf9kAPAJ2N6Eo9@4ax.com>  & Yes, Chip, that would be the same one.  ; <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> ... remove .NOSPAM to respondi  0 On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:11:32 -0500, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:   >e >n4 >     I used to work with a guy who was colloquially >     called "Dr. Dave"... >h* >     Would your last name start with a B? >n > Q >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________s" >Subject: Re: Six Figure Income !!3 >Author:  Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe >Date:    8/30/00 10:25 AM >r >g >Yes, it is! >l= >And most of the time, either the remove URL is invalid, theyf8 >want you to call them (at cost), or they simply pass on7 >your e-mail address to another spam list.  So much form? >the government "looking out for us"; doesn't work, never will.i > 	 >Dr. Davew >e? >P.S.  To all Internet marketers: you have my permission to notr? >include my e-mail address in your distribution list or pass itp >on to someone else. > 1 >On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:36:37 -0500, WILLIAM WEBBR ><WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:a >p >>/ >>Your name has been referred to me as a fellown7 >>"opportunity seeker" and I know you will be impressede >>by this special event!!e8 >>------------------------------------------------------4 >>Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US8 >>Congress this letter CANNOT be considered spam as long2 >>as the sender includes contact information and a4 >>method of removal. Removal instructions located on >>bottom of message. >> >>     <remaining spam snipped>n >>< >>     Imagine that!  Congress wants to decide *for me* what >>     is or is not spam!n >>0 >>     Is the term "ignorant spammer" redundant? >>
 >>     WWWebbo   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 08:53:02 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)0 Subject: strange problem with netscape 3.03 gold. Message-ID: <8ol6de$h4r$1@info.service.rug.nl>  G From an account, user, with readall privilege, file:/disk$scratch/user/hB returns the same listing as file:/disk$scratch/ .  Bug or feature?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:00:07 GMT'' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> 4 Subject: Re: strange problem with netscape 3.03 gold- Message-ID: <39AE5337.EDAF3750@theblakes.com>    Phillip Helbig wrote:s  I > From an account, user, with readall privilege, file:/disk$scratch/user/oD > returns the same listing as file:/disk$scratch/ .  Bug or feature?  K I would guess that since file:/disk$scratch/ is an incomplete specificationtC (contains only device information; no directory), that the CRTL/RMSeI defaults the directory part to the current default directory. And in youreI example isn't that user? So in both cases the expanded specifications arec" the same, hence identical results.   Colin.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:25:19 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persistH Message-ID: <OFA26C0F12.40A3BE9E-ON8025694C.003E0318@qedi.quintiles.com>  : Andrew Harrison (andrew dot nospam at youknowwhere) wrote:N >>>Yup, nice try but no cigar. You either didn't read the article right to theK end or you chose to ignore the last paragraph because you didn't understandrH or didn't want to contemplate the implications of what the person quoted was saying.<<<  ] But I think Rob did read the last paragraph and so did I.  Let me quote (the Shoemaker is Sune* Executive Vice President John Shoemaker) :  W "According to Shoemaker, Sun hasn't been able to narrow the problem to any one specific S cause.  Sun believes the problems may have been caused by a combination of factors,oX including defective components from one of Sun's suppliers, poor packaging of the memory6 chips on the system boards and environmental factors."  m So, defective components from a supplier :== Perhaps poor QA on someones part (although not necessarily Sun)?t\ Poor packaging of the memory chips on the system boards :== Perhaps poor QA on someones part (although not necessarily Sun)?yk Environmental factors :== Depends, but if everything else in the datacenter is happy then it's damn strangeuh to me that one type of system is having problems due to its environment.  Not impossible you understand, just damn strange.  z Naturally my interpretation of the article may be slightly in error, in which case I will look forward to being corrected.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 09:55:16 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <0jrKO7Jlcu1F@eisner.decus.org>r  k In article <OFA26C0F12.40A3BE9E-ON8025694C.003E0318@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:- > < > Andrew Harrison (andrew dot nospam at youknowwhere) wrote:O >>>>Yup, nice try but no cigar. You either didn't read the article right to thefM > end or you chose to ignore the last paragraph because you didn't understand J > or didn't want to contemplate the implications of what the person quoted > was saying.<<< > = > But I think Rob did read the last paragraph and so did I.  mO > Let me quote (the Shoemaker is Sun Executive Vice President John Shoemaker) :c > M > "According to Shoemaker, Sun hasn't been able to narrow the problem to any wK > one specific cause.  Sun believes the problems may have been caused by a  K > combination of factors, including defective components from one of Sun's hI > suppliers, poor packaging of the memory chips on the system boards and e > environmental factors."b > , > So, defective components from a supplier -H > :== Perhaps poor QA on someones part (although not necessarily Sun)?  ; > Poor packaging of the memory chips on the system boards -nF > :== Perhaps poor QA on someones part (although not necessarily Sun)? > Environmental factors -iK > :== Depends, but if everything else in the datacenter is happy then it's iK > damn strange to me that one type of system is having problems due to its eA > environment.  Not impossible you understand, just damn strange.d > J > Naturally my interpretation of the article may be slightly in error, in 4 > which case I will look forward to being corrected. >   1 	Don't hold your breath waiting for a response.  -  F 	There are other strong indicators it goes beyond mere environmentals.E 	In fact, there is ancillary evidence that after 18 months or so Sun 9I 	still doesn't know the cause hence the need/desire to mirror the Ecache.e 	Bit pricey solution, eh?  p  G 	Maybe not as tragic as Firestone but more annoying than an Intel FDIV cF 	bug.   Will be interesting to see how this continues to play out for D 	the darling of Silicon Valley and how well they do on spin-control H 	management.  Early indications from dealings with our British Champion A 	are it is a *very* difficult story to spin.  Too well known and  A 	too long a timeframe and WORST of all, effecting the business ofu 	some VERY big players.   C 	Poor eBay, such a public example of the magnitude of the PROBLEMS.-C 	But hey, they happily renewed.  Amazing what a free lunch will geto 	you these days ;-).   				Rob-   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 09:01:54 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) * Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <8oll02$3ik$1@lisa.gemair.com>  H In article <OFA26C0F12.40A3BE9E-ON8025694C.003E0318@qedi.quintiles.com>,$  <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote: > ; >Andrew Harrison (andrew dot nospam at youknowwhere) wrote: O >>>>Yup, nice try but no cigar. You either didn't read the article right to theyL >end or you chose to ignore the last paragraph because you didn't understandI >or didn't want to contemplate the implications of what the person quotedC >was saying.<<<h > ^ >But I think Rob did read the last paragraph and so did I.  Let me quote (the Shoemaker is Sun+ >Executive Vice President John Shoemaker) :e >sX >"According to Shoemaker, Sun hasn't been able to narrow the problem to any one specificT >cause.  Sun believes the problems may have been caused by a combination of factors,Y >including defective components from one of Sun's suppliers, poor packaging of the memorys7 >chips on the system boards and environmental factors."  >t  = And yet, Andrew has the temerity to accuse us of lying.  It's @ quite clear from Rob's extraction of the old Usenet article that it is Andrew who lies here.a  H Andrew had clearly said the problem was completely corrected months ago,A while Mr. Shoemaker is clearly and recently indicating that "Sun -B hasn't been able to narrow the problem to any one specific cause."  A I wonder if Andrew's corporate superiors will swoop in to correct ? the record when he's caught clearly in a lie like the time when@? he lied about the source of the Sun email products coming from I Innosoft code.  D I have to revise my assessment of Andrew being a marketing resource.@ Marketing usually doesn't make blatent mistatements of fact that@ can be so easily proven wrong.  On the other hand, Sun has been > very careful to keep the truth of these cache problems secret C through their policy of requiring customers to sign an NDA in ordert  to get their problems addressed.  ? Doesn't it strike you all as rather unethical of Sun to requiretA an NDA to address problems that they are contracturally obligated D to fix?  Most (all?) of these sites had Sun's Platinum support that ? requires almost immediate attention to the problem with answers>A in just a few hours.  Nothing in the Sun Platinum suport requires ? that an NDA be signed to get the service that an additional NDAh? was required to access the service to which they were entitled.   @ Sun must have realized this and has now dropped this practice of? requiring NDAs for service.  However, it's no wonder that many l? of the analysts are putting out warnings about Sun reliability.0   > [snip] >i{ >Naturally my interpretation of the article may be slightly in error, in which case I will look forward to being corrected.r >   ? I don't.  He'll probably just change the subject and talk about ? how Compaq withdrew some benchmark or another or that Oracle isnC not showing the best support for OpenVMS or some other irrelevancy.w; That's what usually happens when he's backed into a corner.t   >    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:59:20 +0000a$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/ Message-ID: <0025694C.005212DB.00@quegw01.btyp>t  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazam  N We have had similar problems here - one of the main reasons SUN lost out to HPO for the SAP hardware platform was the flakiness of the SUN boxes, the fact theyiO kept bouncing and the peculiar fixes to some problems that we had to implement.    I'll give you just one;e  O We needed to be able to boot from a CD on a SUN E4500 (IIRC the model) but werehP unable to do so. The fix? Remove the network cable from the box, and hey presto!# The system will boot from the CD...o   Another? Oh all right then...   O Installing from a CD to boxes with a certain speed of cpu below 400+Mhz (top of P my head don't remember the exact number) is fine, but we had some delivered withH a faster chip. This meant that for some peculiar reason it messed up theM keyboard so that you couldn't effectively do anything. SUN supplied us with aeO 'special' CD which then left the keyboard as-is, and we were able to install...cP You couldn't use this CD on the other boxes though. Do you have to use different2 OVMS CDs for different chipsets? I don't think so.  0 There are some others but I'll leave it at that.  O We never had any explanation for the first problem, I think someting similar togO the second has been mentioned (along different lines, ie nothing to do with the " keyboard) somewhere in COV before.  K Problem is we are stuck with some of the SUN boxes because of a reliance ono1 software WHICH ISN'T SUPPORTED ON ANY OTHER UNIX!y   Steve Spires        > young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) on 31/08/2000 02:55:16 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)dJ From:      young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young), 31 August 2000, 2:55 p.m.  ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persista        H In article <OFA26C0F12.40A3BE9E-ON8025694C.003E0318@qedi.quintiles.com>," steven.reece@quintiles.com writes: >e< > Andrew Harrison (andrew dot nospam at youknowwhere) wrote:O >>>>Yup, nice try but no cigar. You either didn't read the article right to thehM > end or you chose to ignore the last paragraph because you didn't understand J > or didn't want to contemplate the implications of what the person quoted > was saying.<<< >,; > But I think Rob did read the last paragraph and so did I. O > Let me quote (the Shoemaker is Sun Executive Vice President John Shoemaker) :g >aL > "According to Shoemaker, Sun hasn't been able to narrow the problem to anyJ > one specific cause.  Sun believes the problems may have been caused by aJ > combination of factors, including defective components from one of Sun'sH > suppliers, poor packaging of the memory chips on the system boards and > environmental factors."t > , > So, defective components from a supplier -F > :== Perhaps poor QA on someones part (although not necessarily Sun)?; > Poor packaging of the memory chips on the system boards -aF > :== Perhaps poor QA on someones part (although not necessarily Sun)? > Environmental factors -bJ > :== Depends, but if everything else in the datacenter is happy then it'sJ > damn strange to me that one type of system is having problems due to itsA > environment.  Not impossible you understand, just damn strange.f >aI > Naturally my interpretation of the article may be slightly in error, ini4 > which case I will look forward to being corrected. >   3      Don't hold your breath waiting for a response.   J      There are other strong indicators it goes beyond mere environmentals.H      In fact, there is ancillary evidence that after 18 months or so SunM      still doesn't know the cause hence the need/desire to mirror the Ecache.c      Bit pricey solution, eh?c  J      Maybe not as tragic as Firestone but more annoying than an Intel FDIVI      bug.   Will be interesting to see how this continues to play out forfG      the darling of Silicon Valley and how well they do on spin-controltK      management.  Early indications from dealings with our British Champion3D      are it is a *very* difficult story to spin.  Too well known andE      too long a timeframe and WORST of all, effecting the business of       some VERY big players.h  G      Poor eBay, such a public example of the magnitude of the PROBLEMS. G      But hey, they happily renewed.  Amazing what a free lunch will getr      you these days ;-).                       RobR   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:51:59 +0100TB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39AE62FF.5D19D867@uk.sun.com>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:a  < > Andrew Harrison (andrew dot nospam at youknowwhere) wrote:P > >>>Yup, nice try but no cigar. You either didn't read the article right to theM > end or you chose to ignore the last paragraph because you didn't understand J > or didn't want to contemplate the implications of what the person quoted > was saying.<<< >i_ > But I think Rob did read the last paragraph and so did I.  Let me quote (the Shoemaker is Sunn, > Executive Vice President John Shoemaker) : >eY > "According to Shoemaker, Sun hasn't been able to narrow the problem to any one specificIU > cause.  Sun believes the problems may have been caused by a combination of factors,aZ > including defective components from one of Sun's suppliers, poor packaging of the memory8 > chips on the system boards and environmental factors." >no > So, defective components from a supplier :== Perhaps poor QA on someones part (although not necessarily Sun)?t^ > Poor packaging of the memory chips on the system boards :== Perhaps poor QA on someones part! > (although not necessarily Sun)?0m > Environmental factors :== Depends, but if everything else in the datacenter is happy then it's damn strangeFj > to me that one type of system is having problems due to its environment.  Not impossible you understand, > just damn strange. > | > Naturally my interpretation of the article may be slightly in error, in which case I will look forward to being corrected.  ] As I said re-read the last paragraph and note the action the datacenter manager took and note  the result._  ] What did he say, we were having problems we reduced the temperature in our datacenter and thei+ problem went away, what does that tell you.b  _ So here is a question, do you know what causes the majority of hardware failures on all systems, not just Sun's but all systems.,  6 If you know the answer to this question then continue.  V Assuming you knew the answer to the first question, why would reducing the temperature_ in the datacenter reduce the incidence of the major cause of failure for all computer hardware.o     regardsm Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architecti   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:37:16 GMT34 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist< Message-ID: <w4ur5.59520$_s1.697406@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  K They say there is no such thing as bad press, but I rather doubt that Scott-K McNealy and Larry Hambly are amused by the recent coverage. It's clear that G Sun is suffering from some reliability issues right now (indeed, I have>K talked to one very large customer not cited in the ComputerWorld article orlG in this forum about ongoing UE10K problems). I am no fan of the "you'vemL gotta sign an NDA to get the problem solved" approach to problem resolution;K it reminds me of Oracle's old "you can benchmark our database but you can'tn6 publicly disclose the results" Risky Marketing Scheme.  J That said, product flaws are not restricted to any single vendor (rememberF the VAX 9000 or the infamous RA-82 disk?). Sooner or later, it will be$ another vendor's turn in the barrel.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:23:22 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>e# Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP Bugchecking!-2 Message-ID: <39AE87F6.65F3D68A@clarityconnect.com>  G The error log output from a system crash is mostly worthless.  You needeF to analyze the dump file that was written to when the system crashed. A If you have the defaults and a dump was successfully written thenl" $ ANA/CRASH SYS$SYSTEM:SYSDUMP.DMP	 READ/EXECi READ SYS$SYSTEM:SYSDEF SET LOG {file.ext}/ SHOW CRASH ! Make sure to press <CR> thru everyi* SHOW STACK ! screen that will be presented   Cthulhu wrote: > H > I have recently discovered that R'lyeh is rebooting due to a bugcheck, > one a month. > ANALYZE/ERROR says:x > Q >  ******************************* ENTRY     350. *******************************cQ >  ERROR SEQUENCE 26011.                           LOGGED ON:        SID 0A000005uQ >  DATE/TIME 30-AUG-2000 13:34:22.09                            SYS_TYPE 01530201 " >  SYSTEM UPTIME: 22 DAYS 18:12:58M >  SCS NODE: RLYEH                                               VAX/VMS V7.2e > = >  FATAL BUGCHECK  KA640  CPU FW REV# 6.  CONSOLE FW REV# 5.3. > ( >  PGFIPLHI, Pagefault with IPL too high > " >        PROCESS NAME    TCPIP$FTP > ! >        PROCESS ID      00020017r > ! >        ERROR PC        80DEE3B5l! >        ERROR PSL       00080000 G >                                        INTERRUPT PRIORITY LEVEL = 08.I? >                                        PREVIOUS MODE = KERNELJ> >                                        CURRENT MODE = KERNEL> >                                        FIRST PART DONE CLEAR >  >  STACK POINTERSe >         [omissis... ]t > B > R'lyeh is a MicroVAX 3400 with 20MB of RAM, OpenVMS/VAX 7.2, DEC > TCPIP 5.0.D > It is a 100% hobbyist system, so I can't upgrade TCPIP. However, IC > could try to install some ECO, if there's one appropriate to thisA > problem...G > my own problem is that I'm not sure of what this error is and what too > search in the READMEs. :)p >  > Uh, ANALYZE also says: > Q >  ******************************* ENTRY     353. *******************************sQ >  ERROR SEQUENCE 26014.                           LOGGED ON:        SID 0A000005 Q >  DATE/TIME 30-AUG-2000 13:37:52.10                            SYS_TYPE 01530201m! >  SYSTEM UPTIME: 0 DAYS 00:01:50tM >  SCS NODE: RLYEH                                               VAX/VMS V7.2d > ? >  DEVICE ATTENTION  KA640  CPU FW REV# 6.  CONSOLE FW REV# 5.3g >   >  TK70P SUB-SYSTEM, RLYEH$PTA0: > / >        FAILED TO LOCATE PORT MICRO-CODE IMAGE  > 5 > What does that mean? The 4000-300 reports the same.g >  >         playingly, >            Cthulhu > -- > I >        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!i3 >                         <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>u   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:23:44 -0700p5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>n> Subject: Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro)9 Message-ID: <24b05580.8b77be40@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com>a   Hi,   5 In article <39AC398A.F5CA477A@tsoft-inc.com>, David Ae# Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:c4 > What you are asking, in the manner you are asking, > isn't possible in BASIC, and/ > probably most/all other high level languages.   : I would also solve the problem with MACRO, but just offset+ the AP and not bother about passing arrays.e  8 But given the above statement I thought that FYI I would8 show just one way of doing something similar with COBOL.   Regards Richarg Maher.   identification division. program-id.    variable_main.  data division. working-storage section.5 01  ss$_normal          pic 9(9)        comp    valuee external ss$_normal.- 01  sys_status          pic 9(9)        comp.n; 01  ws_num              pic s9(9)       comp    value   -1.  procedure division.t 00.      call "variable_args"1         using   by reference    "CTRSTR", omittedd&                 by descriptor   "Arg2"&                 by reference    ws_num!                 by value        3s         giving  sys_status.e;     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using byo value sys_status.s  
     stop run.  *  end program variable_main. identification division. program-id.    variable_args.M data division. working-storage section.5 01  ss$_normal          pic 9(9)        comp    valuen external ss$_normal.5 01  ss$_abort           pic 9(9)        comp    valuea external ss$_abort.n- 01  sys_status          pic 9(9)        comp.  *m0 01  arg_pntr                            pointer.- 01  arg_cnt             pic 9(4)        comp.n *d linkage section.! 01  ctrs                pic x(6).  01  arg2                pic x. 01  arg3                pic x. 01  arg4                pic x. 01  arg5                pic x. 01  arg6                pic x. 01  arg7                pic x. 01  arg255              pic x. procedure division&         using   ctrs, arg2, arg3, arg4(                 arg5, arg6, arg7, arg255         giving  sys_status.n *r kick_off section.i 00.e9     display function argcount with conversion " arguments2
 provided".     if function argcount < 2$         move ss$_abort to sys_status         go to fini.A  "     move ss$_normal to sys_status.     if ctrs = "CTRSTR")         move function argcount to arg_cntd         perform get_the_idea.h *  fini.      exit program.  *  get_the_idea section.y do_arg2.#     set arg_pntr to reference arg2.p     if arg_pntr = zerosw#         display "ARG2 was omitted".<       if arg_cnt = 2 go to fini. *  do_arg3.#     set arg_pntr to reference arg3.      if arg_pntr = zerosi#         display "ARG3 was omitted".        if arg_cnt = 3 go to fini. *n do_arg4.#     set arg_pntr to reference arg4.p     if arg_pntr = zerose#         display "ARG4 was omitted".        if arg_cnt = 4 go to fini. *i do_arg5.#     set arg_pntr to reference arg5.i     if arg_pntr = zerose#         display "ARG5 was omitted".        if arg_cnt = 5 go to fini. *n do_arg6.#     set arg_pntr to reference arg6.l     if arg_pntr = zeros #         display "ARG6 was omitted".e       if arg_cnt = 6 go to fini. *  do_arg7.#     set arg_pntr to reference arg7.a     if arg_pntr = zerosn#         display "ARG7 was omitted".r       if arg_cnt = 7 go to fini. *-
 do_arg255.%     set arg_pntr to reference arg255.      if arg_pntr = zerosd%         display "ARG255 was omitted".  *o fini.  *r end program variable_args.     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifulo   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:04:56 +0200 (MET DST)e& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS6 Message-ID: <200008310601.IAA25317@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  A my mention of slow performance under OpenVMS is: it is political. A Many years ago, as TCP/IP was not an standard and less poeple didlF speack about change to TCP/IP we bought the Sun DECnet implemantation.A DECnet transfer was very slow (only half the speed of TCP/IP). So D the UNIX fans said DECnet is a slow duck. After years, TCP/IP was inA every mouth, the new one DECnet implementation did have the same,nF or a little bit better performance as TCP/IP. Nobody did realize this.B TCP/IP was in front! This showed me, that the politic of Sun is to> implement a break in non Sun systems, so that every body says:, DEcnet/OpenVMS is slow, Sun Solaris is fast.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:19:58 +0100nB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS* Message-ID: <39AE3F5E.CD6ABCA1@uk.sun.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:.   > Hello, >yF > there should be not only a viewer. We should be able to produce WordH > documents. We have tried to use the StarOffice Word converter, withoutG > any success. Also the problem handling is very worse. I have reportedkF > a problem with Windows95. The only answer of Sun was: "Thank you forG > reporting. You should have a look to the Q&A of the UNIX site." ThereaB > was no answer to our problem since the end of 1999. Word viewer/E > processor should have the same quality as OpenVMS have (the servicetG > quality at least). The font problem on the other hand is a little bit F > a selfmade problem. Use only the Adobe PostScript standard fonts and > you will have less problems. >l  G Well what version of Staroffice did you try. The current release is 5.2xG and I have not encountered a word document that it does not load thougheH as I said earlier the font substitution on a UNIX desktop sometimes getsA the font sizes wrong whichb would probably be the same on OpenVMS F because we are talking about the difference between the fonts supplied? on Win98/95/NT and the fonts supplied with X-windows/motif/CDE.c  D Its sad that the discussion has allready descended into the standardB discussion that OpenVMS people seem to have to convince themselves1 not to do something. Which can be paraphrased as.   F 1.    Its written in C or some other language that the poster dislikesF 2.    It has been written by people who are actually using non OpenVMSI         boxes for this purpose so the code they wrote must be suspect and   %         no one should bother with it.rF 3.    Porting it would be stupid because it won't run well on OpenVMS.H 4.    It might not be possible to port because the origional programmers8         could be clueless so there is no point starting.B 5.    Its missing some piece of functionality not available on any existingF         OpenVMS application which the poster feels should be in it and;         because of that there is no point contemplating it.EI 6.    A good programmer  using an OpenVMS box  should be able to knock an1
 equivalent?         up in a couple of months so there is no point starting.tC 7.    Doing the port might help someone else apart from the generalu@         OpenVMS community so hey we don't want to do that do we.   Regards  Andrew HarrisonC Enterprise IT Architect0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:34:59 -0400r* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS- Message-ID: <39AE6D13.DE7345FB@tsoft-inc.com>g  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > F > Its sad that the discussion has allready descended into the standardD > discussion that OpenVMS people seem to have to convince themselves3 > not to do something. Which can be paraphrased as.d > H > 1.    Its written in C or some other language that the poster dislikesH > 2.    It has been written by people who are actually using non OpenVMSK >         boxes for this purpose so the code they wrote must be suspect and  > ' >         no one should bother with it.nH > 3.    Porting it would be stupid because it won't run well on OpenVMS.J > 4.    It might not be possible to port because the origional programmers: >         could be clueless so there is no point starting.D > 5.    Its missing some piece of functionality not available on any
 > existingH >         OpenVMS application which the poster feels should be in it and= >         because of that there is no point contemplating it. K > 6.    A good programmer  using an OpenVMS box  should be able to knock ans > equivalentA >         up in a couple of months so there is no point starting.nE > 7.    Doing the port might help someone else apart from the generalaB >         OpenVMS community so hey we don't want to do that do we.  2 Yeah! ....  That's right! ....  So, your point is?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:12:21 +0000 (GMT)i From: felix323@123india.com 0 Subject: Your Ad To 309,000 100% SAFE Recipients6 Message-ID: <200008311612.QAA15751@mail.joongbu.ac.kr>  % 100% RISK-FREE ADVERTISING TO 309,000i#                 OPPORTUNITY SEEKERSy                     =20 %                    Guaranteed Resultsa   FED UP WITH:=20i  %      Being shut down by your ISP's=20f      People screaming,=20e!      People sending you FLAMES=20r+      Being bombarded with COUNTER OFFERS=20o      LOW response rate    2      Then let us take over the hassles for you.=207      THERE ISN=92T ANOTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD THAT=20r#      CAN MAKE YOU A DEAL LIKE THIS!l =20r       http://secure.netlaunch.de/      ?      To be removed, reply with the word "REMOVE" in the subject E      heading, your name will be removed  within 24 hrs from the list.e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.487 ************************19D867@uk.sun.com>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:a  < > Andrew Harrison (andrew dot nospam at youknowwhere) wrote:P > >>>Yup, nice try but no cigar. You either didn't read the article right to theM > end or you chose to ignore the last paragr\{^8ڻV1ic|_VVX GyRg?z4|/oG{Ȅ!^gZ!1GQ^tXa/aLƱ뾱ʓrc̭ߓc,>FFf<8a~gR߉Ɗ._I9 <a``^{^GE| <O􋏊dČeFx<2a 7zJ}Ežn^?ko*Z'`?|^2p.7 nxNٝSg
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