1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 01 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 670       Contents: Re: 3D30 or 4D20 on XP1000 Re: 3D30 or 4D20 on XP1000 Re: 3D30 or 4D20 on XP10001 Re: Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation 3 Re: Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition - Printout problems % Chicago (USA) Tech Update: 6-Dec-2000  DCL Error Aborts DEC C Install" Re: DCL Error Aborts DEC C InstallA Re: Discussing Discussions (was: Re: VMS and NT integration?????) 0 Fall 2000 sigtapes out; also disk hack available5 Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!! 5 Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!! G Re: Help required - Configure NFS server (VMS) and NFS Client (Unix/NT) , Ho Ho Ho - Cheap 21264 EV6 systems to go !!! How to deinstall DECwindows " Re: How to make PAGFIL.SYS bigger? link: VMS 7.1 vs VMS 7.2-1 Re: looking for history of VMS Re: looking for history of VMS Re: looking for history of VMS Memory Module question Re: Memory Module questionH Re: Minor problem after applying Alpha VMS V7.2-1 patch VMS721_SYS-V0800H Re: Minor problem after applying Alpha VMS V7.2-1 patch VMS721_SYS-V0800 Re: More VMS, BSD, and FORTRAN Re: Mozilla M18 i005 Re: Mozilla M18 i005( OpenVMS 7.2 and samba smbclient printing Re: OpenVMS CBT 6 Re: PCSI files (was: Re: Need help, thanks in advance) Postscript to Word conversion?" Re: Postscript to Word conversion?8 RE: problem while upgrading from VMS 6.2-h3 to VMS 7.2-18 RE: problem while upgrading from VMS 6.2-h3 to VMS 7.2-18 Re: problem while upgrading from VMS 6.2-h3 to VMS 7.2-1 Re: VMS and NT integration?????  Re: VMS and NT integration????? . Re: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problems. Re: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problems Re: VMS System Backup  VMS vs. Tru64 Unix Re: VMS vs. Tru64 Unix Re: VMS vs. Tru64 Unix Re: VMS vs. Tru64 Unix$ Re: VMS vs. Tru64 Unix for Oracle 8i- Re: Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs? - Re: Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:28:34 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> # Subject: Re: 3D30 or 4D20 on XP1000 , Message-ID: <906d9l$8rjk$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  I If the card is used as a console, it needs to be in a PCI slot that is on E the PCI which has the ISA bridge chip.  I'm not sure what the PCI bus  configuration is on the XP1000.   I The alias jumper shouldn't matter.  It's there as a performance thing for : EV4 systems primarily.  It should work in either position.      K Vance Haemmerle wrote in message <3A259D8A.51AF3190@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>... : >Does anyone out there have a 667MHz XP1000 with a 3D30 or< >4D20 graphics adaptor?  I've tried our new XP1000 with both> >graphics cards (one at a time) in the bottom slot and I don't? >get any video output to the monitor.  On the 4D20, I have both = >jumpers set to on (Alias and VGA).  Should the graphics card ? >be in a specific slot?  Should the Alias jumper be off instead  >of on?  >  >--  >Vance Haemmerle >vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:21:42 -0500 - From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com> # Subject: Re: 3D30 or 4D20 on XP1000 / Message-ID: <t2dra6dctkeh71@corp.supernews.com>   7 Graphics card should be in the middle 32bit slot ONLY !    David    -- David Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com> "Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> wrote in message- news:3A259D8A.51AF3190@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US... ; | Does anyone out there have a 667MHz XP1000 with a 3D30 or = | 4D20 graphics adaptor?  I've tried our new XP1000 with both ? | graphics cards (one at a time) in the bottom slot and I don't @ | get any video output to the monitor.  On the 4D20, I have both> | jumpers set to on (Alias and VGA).  Should the graphics card@ | be in a specific slot?  Should the Alias jumper be off instead | of on? |  | -- | Vance Haemmerle  | vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:15:28 -0700 1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> # Subject: Re: 3D30 or 4D20 on XP1000 2 Message-ID: <3A26A750.1D814C5@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > K > If the card is used as a console, it needs to be in a PCI slot that is on G > the PCI which has the ISA bridge chip.  I'm not sure what the PCI bus ! > configuration is on the XP1000.  > K > The alias jumper shouldn't matter.  It's there as a performance thing for < > EV4 systems primarily.  It should work in either position. > M > Vance Haemmerle wrote in message <3A259D8A.51AF3190@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>... < > >Does anyone out there have a 667MHz XP1000 with a 3D30 or> > >4D20 graphics adaptor?  I've tried our new XP1000 with both@ > >graphics cards (one at a time) in the bottom slot and I don'tA > >get any video output to the monitor.  On the 4D20, I have both ? > >jumpers set to on (Alias and VGA).  Should the graphics card A > >be in a specific slot?  Should the Alias jumper be off instead 	 > >of on?  > >   H   I tried it in the second slot from the top and both cards worked fine.   -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:53:19 -0000 4 From: "John D. Peedle" <john@peedle.freeserve.co.uk>: Subject: Re: Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation. Message-ID: <906i8i$8h6$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>  6 I realise this may be a totally stupid suggestion but,   If you have an Ultra 5 AND  it has the original keyboard AND it is quite new THEN  = press the NUMLOCK key and it will give you what you are after      -- John D. Peedle RHCE - so I'm Biased!  Registered Linux User 167460  7 Marc Van Dyck <marc.vandyck@skynet.be> wrote in message $ news:901dff$afr$1@news1.skynet.be... > Hello All, > I > After two months of struggle to perform my job with a PC and a X window  > emulator, L > I have now received a SUN ULTRA-5 station to access the VMS systems that IL > work on. I'm no Unix fan, and curiosity aside, have no intention to becomeJ > one. Therefore my intentions are to use this workstation as an expensive& > X-window terminal, and nothing more. > H >  So, I start one terminal window on the SUN, and from in there, I type the J > magic command " RSH <host name> 'MCR DECW$SESSION' ". On the VMS host, IL > have of course set a communication proxy to allow access to my VMS accountJ > from the Unix box, and I have put the appropriate SET DISPLAY command in myL > login.com. Et voila, a good old session manager menu bar (no 'new desktop'K > fancy affair) appears on the Unix screen, and from there, I may start any . > other X application I want. So far, so good. > H > Now the problem : I have a 20 years history with OpenVMS, and from the lastJ > 10 years at least, I have used the keypad everywhere I could : DCL, LSE,L > TPU, MAIL, NOTES, DEBUG, SYSMAN... And now, imagine : from that bloody SUNK > station, the keypad DOES NOT WORK !!! The keys 8,6,4,2 act as arrows, and L > all other keys are just dead. For me, it makes that SUN box as useful as aL > ashtray. The problem is not on the VMS site - my keypad works just fine if I D > log in to the same account from a VXT. It must be on the SUN side. > L > So, the question : does anyone know the right shell incantation, the rightI > file (X resource ?) to modify, to make that keypad usable ? I have some  UnixE > experts available on site, so if a solution is suggested, I imagine  they'll ) > be able to understand and implement it.  > I > Many many many thanks in advance from a poor old VMS lover lost in Unix  > land,  >  > Marc Van Dyck  > System Manager > Banksys, Belgium.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:57:00 -0000 4 From: "John D. Peedle" <john@peedle.freeserve.co.uk>< Subject: Re: Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition - Printout problems. Message-ID: <906ifi$8mh$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>  6 That's not very fair - how are we supposed to learn if# we can't lay hands on the real kit?   B If you really upset him he might end up choosing ... dare I say it ... Solaris?     -- John D. Peedle  + Hans Vlems <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message " news:903tq2$kpp$1@news.IAEhv.nl...@ > We're dealing with the real stuff here, not emulations ....,g> >  > Hans Vlems > / > Timothy Stark heeft geschreven in bericht ...  > >Hello folks:  > > F > >I just upgraded to latest version of Charon-VAX on Windows 2000 and Linux.I > >I ended up some problems with serial lines. Now I discovered that this H > >version has only two serial lines enabled.  That's why I tried to setJ > >vaxprint on TXA7: but this emulator complaint about that.  When I movedK > >it to TXA1:, a problem disappeared.  I learned that this version is more H > >crippled than before! I am not happy with that.  Be warned with that. > > J > >Also, I figured out how to set up print queues on OpenVMS 7.2.  I askedE > >you for help but no one responsed my pervious postings!  I finally  figured < > >out when I read comments in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM. I executedE > >'START/QUEUE/MANAGER/NEW' to run queue manager daemon sucessfully. = > >Then I executed 'INIT/QUEUE/START/ON=TXA1: TXA1_PRINT' and E > >'INIT/QUEUE/START/GENERIC=TXA1_PRINT SYS$PRINT' successfully. Then 9 > >I executed 'PRINT <file>' and it worked so well but...  > > G > >I have a problem with printouts but they seems messed up.  They were : > >printed double-spaced.  I want single-spaced printouts. > > K > >My printer is HP Deskjet 970Cxi.  Does anyone have experience with that?  > > 
 > >Thank you!  > >  > >-- Tim Stark  > >  > >-- / > >Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org  > K >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- H > >"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, thatK > >whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 1 > >Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Nov 2000 23:58:33 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman). Subject: Chicago (USA) Tech Update: 6-Dec-20006 Message-ID: <906pj9$f92$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F   A Compaq Enterprise Technology Update (Day) will be held in Chicago -   on Wednesday, 6-Dec-2000, 8:00AM to 4:30PM.   )   Details of the Update are available at:    1     http://eisner.DECUS.org/lugs/carts/dec00.html   F   The Update is sponsored by the Encompass CARTS local user group and +   the Midwest Region Tandem User's Group.     H   Reservations are encouraged, particularly so that there are enough of    the lunches to go around.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:42:49 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)' Subject: DCL Error Aborts DEC C Install ' Message-ID: <JJAV5.264$XY5.9560@insync>  Keywords: C,VMS,error   A On a VMS 7.2-1 ALPHA system, an attempt to install DEC C without  E a valid license PAK for DEC C aborts because the symbol CC$FULL_DOCS  
 is undefined.   4 Apologies if this problem has been reported already.  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2000 00:17:36 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: DCL Error Aborts DEC C Install 6 Message-ID: <906qn0$f92$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com> Keywords: C,VMS,error   ^ In article <JJAV5.264$XY5.9560@insync>, LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie) writes:  B :On a VMS 7.2-1 ALPHA system, an attempt to install DEC C without F :a valid license PAK for DEC C aborts because the symbol CC$FULL_DOCS  :is undefined.     Which C compiler version? &   V6.2 or V6.2A or some other version?   What installation options?  F   I'm aware of a previous report of a similar problem with V6.2A (thatG   exists up through FT2 T6.4 compiler), and a potential workaround for  C   that problem is to answer "yes" to the license prompt and then to A   ignore any IVP-related failure messages that might later arise.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2000 01:03:00 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)J Subject: Re: Discussing Discussions (was: Re: VMS and NT integration?????)6 Message-ID: <906tc4$fsb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: ..H : We have three VAXes in the Data Center and I am crazy to "disconnect"  : them from the network. : H : People in the comp.os.vms  still using VAXes and Microvaxes and great H : part of discussions are about these two equipments....I dont see much J : more future in OpenVMS if people still using these machines - wich dont + : support Galaxy, Fiber Channel and etc ...  ..  K   Fabio, I will assume these postings are unintentional trolls.  (If these  I   postings are actually fully intentional trolls, then please ignore this 5   and forgive my rising to this particular troll. :-)   J   As for your disconnecting VAX systems, well, I can only assume that you K   have far more information on your local requirements and goals, and that  $   this disconnection is appropriate.  J   As for your discussion of the discussions, please consider which groups K   of folks will be posting questions here -- more commonly, it will be the  F   folks with older hardware and the folks that do not have the "gold" I   support contracts.  Many of the folks enrolled in the OpenVMS hobbyist  -   program are also regular participants here.   >   A large number of folks "lurk" in this and other newsgroups.  I   I do know of a number of folks with new Alpha hardware and/or with new  I   OpenVMS Alpha configurations that read (and sometimes even write) here     in comp.os.vms.     M   New OpenVMS systems are often purchased with hardware and software support. L   Folks with new hardware and/or current support contracts also have access K   to and often use other avenues to answer their questions -- the majority  N   of customer problem reports with OpenVMS and/or with newer hardware involve L   formal and direct reports to customer support center.  (Not via newsgroup ;   postings -- though I do field a few of these, of course.)   J   Each customers should use the hardware and software -- and the hardware I   and software support, and the hardware and software support "channels"  H   -- that are appropriate for the local (and often unique) requirements.  K   We now return to our regularly scheduled OpenVMS technical discussions...   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:15:45 -0500 , From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>9 Subject: Fall 2000 sigtapes out; also disk hack available ' Message-ID: <3A26B571.69A3BA11@GCE.com>   > The Fall 2000 sigtapes have been sent to the usual tree sites.? If on the tree please contact Dar Schumann (darnkatt@feist.com) % to find who you should get them from.   # Thanks to the many who contributed.    Fall 2000 VMS/L&T SIG Tapes  ---- ---- ------- --- -----   H This material is all freely distributable, passed around without charge.  ? The following are contents of the respective directories in the  [VMSLT00B...] tree.   ? [DACHTERA...]           DECUS presentations on DCL programming, 	 ZIP/UNZIP                          for VMS H [GCE...]                Many virtual disk drivers of various sorts. InfoB                         on customizing dkdriver. SAFETY - combinedH                         undelete/space manager/HSM/security applique forH                         VMS. Allows control of privs, prio, identifiers,H                         hides files, controls access based on many itemsG                         including image running, location, type of openND                         etc. etc. Also has "suspicious mode" for useH                         controlling browsers and so on. Softlinks in VMSA                         also supported here for individual files.nF [GNU...]                New FSF stuff including new Emacs, Bison, OleoD                         (spreadsheet), Gnumeric (spreadsheet), gFax, etc.B [JED...]                Updated EDT like editor for many platformsG [MOELLER...]            Improved VS2000 boot (boots scsi), remote tape,n*                         few other goodies.F [MOREAU...]             Numerous DECwindows things. Free TrueType fontG                         access, GTK patches for VMS (see QT library forEE                         VMS in [net...]), Timidity music editor, XPDFFG                         update which works for "protected" files, jpeg,S                         etc.E [NET...]                Lots of good things from the net. Includes QTM and B                         Mozilla for VMS, VIM editor, WINE release,+                         CDrecord, many moreiC [NT...]                 Things that work under windows NT includingRF                         packet sniffers, file access monitor, forensic3                         tools, driver writing info.(@ [OPENOFFICE...]         MS Office clone, initial release sources!                         complete.sB [PERL...]               Script language embedding most of the textE                         processing tricks one can do in unix in an OS A                         independent package. Also a number of VMS?5                         specific add-ins. (Perl V5.7)aE [RADIUS...]             VMS RADIUS server. Handles authentication forr;                         remote access. Does authentication,sE                         authorization, access control. Multithreaded.sC [SAMBA...]              Initial code for Samba 2.0.6 for VMS. SambaoH                         allows non-MS windows systems to share disks andD [SEC...]                Various computer security text files and the%                         scanner VLAD.lE [TK...]                 BOSS - multisession monitor; ETAPE- access toX IBM H                         format tape; Ethermon - ethernet monitor for VMSE                         ; MX - last free MX mailer plus some hints onhH                         linking it with some antispam features. Note theA                         not free MX 5.0 has very serious antispameG                         features. Look at ftp.wku.edu in the [.madgoat]sB                         directory for an eval kit and docs.; VNC -D                         Program that allows you to access screens onH                         other systems including Windows and control themF                         remotely from VMS.  Transports screen display,G                         keyboard, and mouse across systems. Servers fortH                         windows (or for that matter for unix) boxes haveG                         been on these tapes; see [vmslt00b.net] for them-                         server code and docs.-F [VU...]                 Utilities built to run on VMS. GNUPG is a mailE                         and file encrypt/decrypt utility using public0G                         keys.  It is cryptographically strong and worksuB                         on many platforms. (Note elsewhere on thisF                         collection gnupg 1.0.4).  ETAPE is the classicB                         access to IBM magtape DFY_VMSCD writes VMSE                         filestructure CD image files for burning CDs.8@                         Gnuplot is a plot program, plots on many displaysF                         and printing devices.  Lynx is a text only webE                         browser.  LD is a virtual disk driver package A                         (treat files as disks) Xterm is a smaller H                         replacement for DECterm on workstations.  VIM isF                         an editor similar to Vi XPDF is a utility thatD                         allows you to read PDF (Adobe Acrobat) files GNAT*                         is an Ada compilerD [WWW...]                Official Mosaic for VMS build, a web browser with@                         a number of netscape addon functions now"                         supported.               UNRELATED TOPIC:= I just put together some rather hacky code that uses zrdriverC: and a host process that does io$_diagnose to access Alcita= IDEplex connected disks. If the altered dkdriver worries you,r> this is a scheme to use such things with supported interfaces.> The driver lets a process do the actual I/O, which is done viaB io$_diagnose, so you don't need a new driver. GKdriver or DKdriverA will do fine. The Ideplex is a board that plugs into one ID of a  A SCSI bus and allows you to connect up to 8 IDE disks (big, cheap)  onto that one ID.o  C The code will be on the next sigtape but I am willing to send it too< interested parties. With a little more fiddling it should be; easy to support disks of blocksize other than 512. As it isi> the code only does read, write, read capacity, scsi start, and< test unit ready. I can hardly imagine a SCSI disk that won't? support those functions. Incidentally the hacky code gives diskZC geometry identical to the hacked dkdriver I mentioned here earlier.3# Thus they can be mixed and matched.o Glenn Everhart Everhart@gce.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:01:37 -0500h& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!5 Message-ID: <yrxV5.705$Bp2.14608@weber.videotron.net>   K I ordered the book this week but could not enter a canadian postal code (it J would not accept it). I had to send it to one of our US addresses, and ask someone there to send it to me.t   Syltremi  + <KAPLANSKYM@NCCCOT.AGR.CA> wrote in message.& news:01JX5IYNTRSI001WK8@VMGW.AGR.CA...E > > From: OTTGW::IN%"mpope@bristol.ca"  "Mark-Simon Pope" 13-NOV-2000  12:02:25.77c >eL > >     Compaq is giving this book away for free.  Unless you live in CanadaJ > > that is.  Seriously, I called the number at the bottom of the page and theyF > > told me I can't have it.  Am I the ONLY Canadian OpenVMS customer? > >n >i >mI > I ordered the book on-line on Tuesday. Today I received it via courier! * > So they do ship to Canada, at least now. >  >R > Marvin Kaplansky > Agriculture Canada > Ottawa >s   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2000 00:25:21 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!6 Message-ID: <906r5h$f92$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ? OTTGW::IN%"mpope@bristol.ca"  "Mark-Simon Pope" possibly wrote:pH :...Compaq is giving this book away for free.  Unless you live in CanadaG :that is.  Seriously, I called the number at the bottom of the page and  :they told me I can't have it.  H   I will pass along a request that the ordering and shipping process be G   updated to accept international orders for the book or to clarify the2F   particular availability, if this has not already changed.  (Various G   marketing materials and programs are specific to geographies -- also  ?   check with the regional Compaq organization, in other words.)f  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 06:01:09 +10004 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>P Subject: Re: Help required - Configure NFS server (VMS) and NFS Client (Unix/NT)6 Message-ID: <906bio$dgq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K > I'm not finding any log file or the tcpip$nfs directory in sys$sysdevice.- Is > there a way to enable logs ?  8 Take a look at the output from: TCPIP SHOW SERV NFS/FULL  J The lines with "Log Opts" describes what will be logged, and the "File" isJ *suggestive* of where the log file will be placed, but note that you couldJ move this around with suitable use of logicals, (I believe).  If you stillK can't find it, my next step would be to pull out the sledgehammer and issue : a recursive directory search.  (Anyone know a better way?)   Matt.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:24:09 -0500e- From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com> 5 Subject: Ho Ho Ho - Cheap 21264 EV6 systems to go !!!H/ Message-ID: <t2dret4evp4lbb@corp.supernews.com>v   http://www.islandco.comd   Click on "specials"    Island Computers US Corporationa 2700 Gregory Streete Savannah GA 31404v Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:58:06 -0700h1 From: "Phillip D. Williams" <edhouse00@qwest.net> $ Subject: How to deinstall DECwindows3 Message-ID: <b2HV5.4049$aH5.466691@news.uswest.net>e   HelloiI Is there a safe and easy way to remove DECwindows from a 3600 with a RA70S and VMS 6.2??? tksu phillip    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:48:02 GMTw0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>+ Subject: Re: How to make PAGFIL.SYS bigger? 7 Message-ID: <6zCV5.28166$%j3.271001@news6.giganews.com>E  - Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote:EG > You increase it with SYS$UPDATE:SWAPFILES.COM or you can expand it orPH > create a new one on another disk with SYSGEN IIRC, then install it for > use with INSTALL.e  N > Note: changing the size of an existing page file will not make an immediate K > difference.  A reboot is required first, basically.  OTOH, if you need itwJ > NOW, you can create a -new- pagefile and install it.  After a reboot, if: > you didn't install the new one again, you can delete it.   Howard:-  E Thank you for your help.  I finally resolved the memory problem aftervG I increased to 40K blocks from 11K blocks.  I tried to recompile Kermite> 7.0 without any problems.  No more memory full error messages!   -- Tim Stark   -- g, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:54:45 GMT + From: Bru, Pierre <Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr>p# Subject: link: VMS 7.1 vs VMS 7.2-1h) Message-ID: <9067ph$gl7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c   hello,  A I can install neither MX4.1 nor 4.2 with SMTP support on my alpha > running OpenVMS 7.2-1 with either TCPIP 5.0a or UCX V4.2 ECO3.  F all was OK with OpenVMS 7.1 but after 7.2-1 I had a "version mismatch,@ please relink" error. so I tried to re-install but now I got the following error:  6 %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set D ...' %MX-I-LINKING, Linking image MX_SMTP... < %LINK-W-MULCLUOPT, cluster  multiply defined in options file0 DHLM$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.MX041]MX_SMTP.ALPHA_OPT;1; %LINK-W-MULCLUOPT, cluster multiply defined in options file,0 DHLM$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.MX041]MX_SMTP.ALPHA_OPT;1= %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of MX V4.1 has failed.s    7 $ type DHLM$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.MX041]MX_SMTP.ALPHA_OPT;1e* VMI$KWD:SMTP.ALPHA_OLB/INCLUDE=MX_SMTP/LIB VMI$KWD:COMMON.ALPHA_OLB/LIB MX_SHR:.EXE/SHAREe NETLIB_SHRXFR:/SHARE MX_FLQ_SHR:/SHARE.    7 any idea ? any new symbol in OpenVMS standart library ?i; (MX is written in BLISS. I do not re-compile, only re-link)    TIA, Pierre.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:23:17 +0100m2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)' Subject: Re: looking for history of VMS9; Message-ID: <3a269b15.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>-   dhbemis@my-deja.com wrote:B : I am working on a school project and need to get some historical= : information on the development of the VMS OS or the PDP-11.r  * The brochure on VAX/VMS' 20th anniversary:6 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/20th/vmsbook.pdf   cu,    Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Nov 2000 22:08:00 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)' Subject: Re: looking for history of VMS-. Message-ID: <906j40$s5r$1@info.service.rug.nl>  
 In articleC <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011301239440.31730-100000@mail.fearernet.com>, Marks, Fearer <mfearer@mail.fearernet.com> writes:   0 > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 dhbemis@my-deja.com wrote:% > >  I am working on a school project # > > and need to get some historical % > > information on the development of  > > the VMS OS or the PDP-11.   7 > http://www.digital.com/info/misc/digint/timeline.html   *      * Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Project  G I see there is some DEC history I don't know about....Can someone fill s me in?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:33:30 +0100 B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>' Subject: Re: looking for history of VMS 7 Message-ID: <3A26D5BA.25AC@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>    Mark Fearer wrote: > 0 > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 dhbemis@my-deja.com wrote:% > >  I am working on a school projecte# > > and need to get some historicalo% > > information on the development of  > > the VMS OS or the PDP-11.n > >  I have found one site,y' > > www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_hist.htmlx ( > > that has all the VMS releases listed' > > with a time-line. This was helpful. % > >  There is an abundance of info onr' > > unix history, but I have found next" > > to none on VMS.t > >  Any suggestions ? > >o  / This site is in German but has some nice pics :r(  http://www.kuno.de/steinburg/museum.htm  ' And appendix B2 of the VAX architectureg% reference manual has a list and shortl- description of all the VAX models until 1989.    --   ME   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Nov 2000 20:38:01 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)u Subject: Memory Module questione, Message-ID: <906dr9$130u$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  F This is only peripherally VMS related, but probably more so than a lot. of what has passed this group lately, so......  G Is there anyone here with any experience with the M7551-AC 4 Meg memoryvD module??  I am trying to increase the memory in a PDP-11 and I can'tE seem to get the memory module to work as anything beyond a 1Meg card. B As soon as I increase the settings to anything greater I get emoryD faults.  This happens with more than one memory module and more thanD one CPU module.  I think this eliminates the likelyhood that it is aE hardware problem.  I read in the micronotes that this module was usedVD with the VAX as well as the PDP so I thought someone here might have experience.-   Any help greatly appreciated.f   bill   -- fJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:28:19 -0500n- From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com>s# Subject: Re: Memory Module questiont/ Message-ID: <t2drmmju86hj40@corp.supernews.com>    1) Which PDP11 is it ???  9 If I remember correctly the M7551-AC is th MSV11-QC ???!!-  0 IF it's a PDP11/73 then you should be good to go  D The newer systems required the MSV11-, JB, C, D, JE and JF I believe    6 FWIW -My Memory doesn't work too well after 1mb either -- David Turner Island Computers US Corporationm 2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622] Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message& news:906dr9$130u$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...H | This is only peripherally VMS related, but probably more so than a lot0 | of what has passed this group lately, so...... |dI | Is there anyone here with any experience with the M7551-AC 4 Meg memoryaF | module??  I am trying to increase the memory in a PDP-11 and I can'tG | seem to get the memory module to work as anything beyond a 1Meg card.fD | As soon as I increase the settings to anything greater I get emoryF | faults.  This happens with more than one memory module and more thanF | one CPU module.  I think this eliminates the likelyhood that it is aG | hardware problem.  I read in the micronotes that this module was usedaF | with the VAX as well as the PDP so I thought someone here might have
 | experience.. |  | Any help greatly appreciated.o |  | bill |t | --L | Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF | bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. | University of Scranton   |@ | Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:56:36 -0500e. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>Q Subject: Re: Minor problem after applying Alpha VMS V7.2-1 patch VMS721_SYS-V0800 + Message-ID: <9067qa$oig$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,   Hello --  ? Can you share a few more details about what your code is doing?   H There is (was) a bug in the VMS 7.3 field test kit 1 where the parameter@ JPI$_PAGFILLOC was removed, and would return the same error codeA (SS$_BADPARAM), but that is supposedly fixed in 7.3 field test 2.c  L There have also been problems with JPI$_ASTEN over time as well.  This would) occasionally cause SS$_BADPARAMS as well.t   Ken Randell   0 Dale A. Marcy <dqm@y12.doe.gov> wrote in message% news:3A23BAEA.41264F5B@y12.doe.gov...  > Group, > L >      Just to let you know, I have received a confirmation from Compaq that a5> > problem we encountered after applying Alpha VMS V7.2-1 patch VMS721_SYS-V0800K > on our Alpha 4100 system was caused by the patch.  We have a program that C > calls SYS$GETJPI using the wildcard process id of -1 and the flag H > JPI$_M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP (among many other things, it is a very complex call).K > The second call to the the SYS$GETJPI routine returns an error indicatingoI > %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM.  Compaq Support indicated that this problem will be L > corrected, but did not suggest a time frame for when it will be corrected.I > Their interim recommendation was to remove the JPI$_M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP.  ThatJ > is not a viable workaround for our situation, but the problem is only on one I > of our development machines.  We will not apply the patch in production  until  > the error is resolved. >a > Dale A. Marcy 0 > Science Applications International Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:21:01 -0500;' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>hQ Subject: Re: Minor problem after applying Alpha VMS V7.2-1 patch VMS721_SYS-V0800 + Message-ID: <3A26A89D.C95BFA18@y12.doe.gov>   L I can try to relay some information, but this is a program written before myL time and I only know what I have deciphered from it.  The general purpose ofJ the program is that it is an idle process killer that was written in-houseF many years ago (on VAXes and ported to Alpha).  The call uses the flagM JPI$_M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP as mentioned below.  It also has 2 item lists chained N together in the call.  It runs every few minutes and examines all processes toN determine if anything needs to be killed.  It requests several items about theM process being examined, but does not seem to use either the JPI$_PAGFILLOC or  the JPI$_ASTEN in the call..  
 Dale A. Marcya. Science Applications International Corporation     Kenneth Randell wrote: > 
 > Hello -- > A > Can you share a few more details about what your code is doing?  > J > There is (was) a bug in the VMS 7.3 field test kit 1 where the parameterB > JPI$_PAGFILLOC was removed, and would return the same error codeC > (SS$_BADPARAM), but that is supposedly fixed in 7.3 field test 2.  > N > There have also been problems with JPI$_ASTEN over time as well.  This would+ > occasionally cause SS$_BADPARAMS as well.  > 
 > Ken Randell  > 2 > Dale A. Marcy <dqm@y12.doe.gov> wrote in message' > news:3A23BAEA.41264F5B@y12.doe.gov...d
 > > Group, > >sN > >      Just to let you know, I have received a confirmation from Compaq that > aM@ > > problem we encountered after applying Alpha VMS V7.2-1 patch > VMS721_SYS-V0800M > > on our Alpha 4100 system was caused by the patch.  We have a program thatEE > > calls SYS$GETJPI using the wildcard process id of -1 and the flagCJ > > JPI$_M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP (among many other things, it is a very complex > call).M > > The second call to the the SYS$GETJPI routine returns an error indicatinghK > > %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM.  Compaq Support indicated that this problem will be N > > corrected, but did not suggest a time frame for when it will be corrected.K > > Their interim recommendation was to remove the JPI$_M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP.d > ThatL > > is not a viable workaround for our situation, but the problem is only on > oneeK > > of our development machines.  We will not apply the patch in productionh > until  > > the error is resolved. > >t > > Dale A. Marcyb2 > > Science Applications International Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:54:53 +0100l. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>' Subject: Re: More VMS, BSD, and FORTRANv, Message-ID: <906ere$ifc$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  7 Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in messaged8 news:hshubs-246CBC.23490128112000@news.mindspring.com...F > In article <3A2478C6.3D245D22@beldar.com>, "Craig D. Lansing (root)" > <lansing@beldar.com> wrote:  >jG > >port on the terminal server and back in another port?  Basically, isyK > >there a way to create a logical / pseudo device that looks like a serialcG > >connection to the vendor, but is actually completely internal to theoE > >Alpha with no parts / cables to fail or are we more insane than wetJ > >think?  If this seems like a stupid question, keep in mind that we know$ > >nothing about VMS and be kind :-) >   J One suggestion is that you look into the VMS pseudo-terminal driver (PTD),K described in "I/O User's Reference". Very briefly, PTD allows you to createaI a pseudo-terminal device, and if a process is created with this device asdI sys$input and sys$output, the process will think, that it is running in aeE normal terminal process. However, all 'keystrokes' to the process areiH generated by the control program, all output generated by the process is  received by the control program.  I PTD supports all the normal VMS terminal settings available through $ set:	 term/....   J There is an example program (at least on my system) showing an applicationI using PTD in sys$examples:alpha_logger.c. If you can't find it, try "$seamK sys$examples:*.c PTD$".  FWIW, I have used PTD for other things, so I mightw' be able to answer questions if need be.a         Best regards     Jesper Naur    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:11 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>l Subject: Re: Mozilla M18 i005o- Message-ID: <3A26B5E0.7AA47613@theblakes.com>a  K Java in OpenVMS Mozilla isn't supported at the moment. We need JVM 1.3.0_01b< first. To stop the annoying crash disable Java in the prefs.  I JavaScript in OpenVMS Mozilla is working just fine (and is NOT written int. Java).  What JavaScript errors are you seeing?   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Nov 2000 17:23:01 -0600- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>n Subject: Re: Mozilla M18 i005a0 Message-ID: <w53n1ehkpt6.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  ) Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:M   > Theo Jakobus wrote:g > G > > MOZILLA is installed on the system disk. It requests read and writenE > > access for the user to the SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA] directory. Systema > > managers don't like this.  > G > The "user needs write access to the bin area" problem is being workedeK > (there are several bugs on this). But remember, installing Mozilla to thehK > system disk is just the DEFAULT installation location. If this makes yourgI > system managers squeamish just install to a different location (PRODUCTe > INSTALL ./DEST=whatever).e  D Off-topic, but when I was attempting to figure out how to run our NTB desktops in some vaguely sensible way, Netscape 4.x was one of the? programs which insisted on all users having write access to the-B \WINNT directory. It's no surprise that locking down NT and havingD your applications still work are mutually incompatible, but this was# an incredibly annoying discovery...    Graham -- @I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota@I -------------------------------------------------------------------------:   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:51:04 GMT: From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.coms1 Subject: OpenVMS 7.2 and samba smbclient printing ) Message-ID: <906b35$jfm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  G I want to use the smbclient for vms.  Currently, we send our print jobs-F from vms to unix, which in turn sends the job to its (unix's) internalE interface file.  This file prints the job using smbclient.  I want toe use the smbclient of vms.g  B I want to start a print job on vms.  Have it send the print job to= smbclient and have the smbclient print the file.  I know thatTF smblclient works.  I have manually printed with it.  I do not know howD to get the queue to send it to a file for processing/sendind/calling smbclient.  thanks.z    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:14:27 -0800O! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coma Subject: Re: OpenVMS CBTD Message-ID: <OF2BB6EC08.2CFC807F-ON882569A8.000BFA87@foundation.com>  I Sounds interesting. Only one problem: In Nutscrape 4.7, the menu panel on > the left is featureless pitch black, there's no readable text.  J Q web people, are you listening? MAKE THE PAGES READABLE TO EVERYBODY!!!!!   ShaneT          - dhbemis@my-deja.com on 11/30/2000 09:26:46 AMy   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- cc:-   Subject:  Re: OpenVMS CBT-      G > We are predominantly an NT shop but will soon be implementing a largetF > OpenVMS system.  We need to get some training and want to start with anC > introduction to OpenVMS CBT.  Can anyone make a recomendation for- this?- >-  
 Try this ....3  9 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wbt/pc/interface/course.htmm      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.6   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:59:03 GMT. From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com ? Subject: Re: PCSI files (was: Re: Need help, thanks in advance) ) Message-ID: <906bi3$jta$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   E Do you have written documentation?  Also, have you tried compaq's webl site?w      B > > In article <3A255477.6931080F@bms.calstate.edu>, Jennifer Tran  <jtran@bms.calstate.edu> writes: > [snip]? > > :Just to let you know, I am very interested in getting moren	 knowledgeM/ > > :about the legacy system (i.e. VAX/VMS...).N > > :CF > > :1./   I am trying to get a better understanding of the VMS system on    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:08:36 GMT. From: byatesiii@my-deja.comP' Subject: Postscript to Word conversion?N) Message-ID: <9068jf$h9e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>S  F We use the Unicenter Performance Manager for VMS to produce PostscriptB graphs showing performance statistics, that we normally print to a Postscript printer... G However, management wants a way to convert these into a format readable  by Word.B We have found a Ghostscript converter, that is a manual one-by-one@ process (on a PC) to convert each graph, taking several minutes. Any suggestions?E Even if we convert these, we are afraid the resulting file(s) will beh6 extremely large. I would rather send the ascii graphs!G I have in the past ran these interactively to a Regis graphics terminal G emulator and ctrl-prtscrn and paste into Word. The resulting files were ( huge, thanks to 24-bit color defaults...   Thanks for any suggestions...-    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2000 00:09:03 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Postscript to Word conversion?D6 Message-ID: <906q6v$f92$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G In article <9068jf$h9e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, byatesiii@my-deja.com writes:g7 :...management wants a way to convert these [Postscripth- :documents] into a format readable by Word...s  B   Um, this is a newsgroup generally followed by folks with various;   levels of experience with the OpenVMS operating system.  c  E   As for this question, there might be another newsgroup with rather aG   more expertise in Microsoft products such as Office and Word, and/or  C   in importing or converting Adobe file formats such as Postscript. C   (These are not topic areas typical for the OpenVMS newsgroup, andoD   clearly have very little to do with the more usual discussions of A   OpenVMS, the US electoral process, ponzi schemes, or halon. :-)-  E   The alternative would be to see what other output formats could be nB   generated by this particular CA product, and see if any of these+   better lend themselves to this operation..   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:36:31 -0800  From: IOlson@dairyworld.comIA Subject: RE: problem while upgrading from VMS 6.2-h3 to VMS 7.2-1 M Message-ID: <763C579A82F7D3118EE400D0B74723D10166B60B@exchsrv.dairyworld.com>    Charlie (or anyone)d   So what _is_ the "correct" use? K We are using /NOALIAS to back up all our disks (including the system disk). 5 The reason is that we were told this would save time.:1 Will we be able to use these savesets to restore?B  
 Ingemar Olsoni Dairyworld FOODS     >-----Original Message-----e' >From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net9* >[mailto:hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net] >Sent: November 30, 2000 9:53: >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComB >Subject: Re: problem while upgrading from VMS 6.2-h3 to VMS 7.2-1 >g= >In article <3A267A07.2A5D58B4@mmaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr."a <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:lK >>A new qualifier /ALIAS is what screwed me up.  I'd recommend looking intoe that$ >>when considering an /IMAGE backup. >5G >HMmm...  It apears that there are some inconsistencies between on-line-G >help and the BACKUP utility manual.  I have reported these.  Hopefullya >we will get it fixed. >iD >Meanwhile, it appears that using /IMAGE without /ALIAS or /NOALIAS 9 >does the right thing for an image backup (or restore).  P1 >At least I have no experience to disproove this.h >iA >The correct use of /[NO]ALIAS without /IMAGE can be significant!e >s >-- L >    Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAG >         (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying) K >      All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.e   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Nov 2000 20:26:37 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)A Subject: RE: problem while upgrading from VMS 6.2-h3 to VMS 7.2-1,6 Message-ID: <906d5t$dns$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  k In article <763C579A82F7D3118EE400D0B74723D10166B60B@exchsrv.dairyworld.com>, IOlson@dairyworld.com writes:  >Charlie (or anyone) >   >So what _is_ the "correct" use?L >We are using /NOALIAS to back up all our disks (including the system disk).6 >The reason is that we were told this would save time.  " $BACKUP/IMAGE/NOALIAS should work.L My experience suggest that omitting both /NOALIAS and /ALIAS will also work.O $BACKKUP/IMAGE/ALIAS seems illogical to me; I would not use /ALIAS with /IMAGE.1  E Online HELP and the BACKUP Utility Manual are not consistent on this.e1 I have reported this so that we can get it fixed.f  2 >Will we be able to use these savesets to restore?  E Please, don't take my work or anybody else's.  You should periodicaly.6 test your restore/recovery plans to be SURE they work.  D That said, I see no reason that you will not be able to restore from+ savesets created with BACKUP/IMAGE/NOALIAS.h   -- yK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA F          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Nov 2000 22:17:35 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)A Subject: Re: problem while upgrading from VMS 6.2-h3 to VMS 7.2-1a. Message-ID: <906jlv$sdq$1@info.service.rug.nl>  6 In article <906462$ccc$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,; hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes: .   > X > In article <3A267A07.2A5D58B4@mmaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:Q > >A new qualifier /ALIAS is what screwed me up.  I'd recommend looking into that-% > >when considering an /IMAGE backup.: > H > HMmm...  It apears that there are some inconsistencies between on-lineH > help and the BACKUP utility manual.  I have reported these.  Hopefully > we will get it fixed.e > E > Meanwhile, it appears that using /IMAGE without /ALIAS or /NOALIAS r: > does the right thing for an image backup (or restore).  2 > At least I have no experience to disproove this. > B > The correct use of /[NO]ALIAS without /IMAGE can be significant!  I At least for some recent versions of VMS, there is inconsistency between i@ the online help and the manual AND I believe that some previous F behaviour was changed.  Either is confusing enough; both together are  really confusing.   H Does anyone else feel a need for a) a BACKUP/NOIMAGE command which will C preserve top-level directory dates or b) alias-as-alias instead of  ! alias-as-file-copy with /NOIMAGE?   G a) Sometimes one wants what is essentially an image copy, but can't useyE /IMAGE, i.e. when moving from a volume set to a single disk, or when cG moving some but not all users to a smaller disk; deleting the unwanted  4 ones later won't work if they won't fit on the disk.  G b) If one has hard links for directories, one can easily have too much E$ data to transfer to the target disk.   The two desires are related.  A IIUC, there is no TECHNICAL reason these things are not possible.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:20:05 -0600W7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>n( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????- Message-ID: <3A26EEB5.D07FAF61@earthlink.net>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > ' > I am sorry if I was misunderstood ...l > K > Of course I used LAT for a long time, but LAT is "Local" Area Transport -, > what means -E > theres no space for new applications except print servers and dumbn > terminals. > I > What I am trying to say is, I dont see LAT as a strategic and importantB > choice for OpenVMSC >  environments  nowadays, as I dont see Microvaxes as an importantf > plataform.  6 So far, you're in agreement with most of the industry.  	 > We have J > three VAXes in  the Data Center and I am crazy to "disconnect" them from > the network.  $ Why? What problems are they causing?  eL > People in the comp.os.vms  still using VAXes and Microvaxes and great part > of discussionsM > are about these two equipments....I dont see much more future in OpenVMS ife > people stillL > using these machines - wich dont support Galaxy, Fiber Channel and etc ... > / > Sounds everybody is connected to the past....L  D The present, like the future, stands on a foundation anchored by and& steeped in the traditions of the past.   -- d David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/1  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.c   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Nov 2000 21:38:06 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)E( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????* Message-ID: <9072ue$a7n$1@lisa.gemair.com>  L In article <OF23030BA3.16346F8D-ON032569A7.005BD75D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,-  <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote:8 > & >I am sorry if I was misunderstood ... >tI >Of course I used LAT for a long time, but LAT is "Local" Area Transport=  > -s
 >what means -tF >there=B4s no space for new applications except print servers and dumb >terminals.  >aI >What I am trying to say is, I dont see LAT as a strategic and important=d >t >choice for OpenVMSAB > environments  nowadays, as I dont see Microvaxes as an important  C Remember that we're talking about OpenVMS system management from NT.B systems here.  Effective OpenVMS system management involves accessA to the console at times.  Putting aside your obvious distaste fornB deprecated technologies like LAT and Microvaxes, I can think of noA better way to access an OpenVMS system console remotely except byrB reverse-LAT to a Terminal Server that has a port connected to that system's console.o   >plataform. We have-I >three VAXes in  the Data Center and I am crazy to "disconnect" them fro=a >m
 >the network.s >eI >People in the comp.os.vms  still using VAXes and Microvaxes and great p=@ >art >of discussionsoI >are about these two equipments....I dont see much more future in OpenVM=2 >S if1
 >people stillsI >using these machines - wich dont support Galaxy, Fiber Channel and etc =g >... > . >Sounds everybody is connected to the past.... >t  E I'm connected to what works and try to ignore what people delegate tot the "past" or the "future".e   >Regards >  >FCa >r > [snip]   -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.coml   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:01:45 GMT  From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.comI7 Subject: Re: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problems ) Message-ID: <906bn5$k0k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G What are you trying to do?  Also, my reading of the csws is that unlessPA you buy another certificate, your server will be dead in 30 days.  Maybe I read it wrong.  " In article <3a25e2fb@news.si.com>,(   "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> wrote:+ > >The latest updates can be obtained from: H > ><http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html> >r  > But it won't unpack on my VAX! > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com C > Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.coml? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >l >*    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:41:30 -0500r" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>7 Subject: Re: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problems : Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.0.20001130153121.01b49d60@24.8.96.48>  < At 08:01 PM 11/30/00 +0000, john_20_28_2000@YAHOO.COM wrote:H >What are you trying to do?  Also, my reading of the csws is that unlessB >you buy another certificate, your server will be dead in 30 days. >Maybe I read it wrong.i  F You read it wrong. The server continues to function, and continues to E encrypt SSL traffic and all that. The only thing that happens is the :J browser will complain about getting an expired site certificate. It's not H really any different for CSWS than it is for any other server that does  secure http.  D If you don't serve any secure pages at all you'll never notice, too.  # >In article <3a25e2fb@news.si.com>,a* >   "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> wrote:- > > >The latest updates can be obtained from:aJ > > ><http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html> > >b" > > But it won't unpack on my VAX! > > --E > > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comsE > > Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.commA > > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent @ > > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"< > >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company > >  > >N >c > ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/e >Before you buy.     					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------g2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenm;                                       teddy bears get drunk-   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:07:15 GMT2  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com> Subject: Re: VMS System Backup8 Message-ID: <s9jd2tchkq1l5jjv5nmthm1jcc5aqhnjoo@4ax.com>   Alan  D Has the client been fixed to handle file synonym links?  Last time IC tried one (1997 or 1998), it backed up each root of the system diskaC seperately.  This, of course, would never restore a bootable systemm> disk, and it also wrote lots more data to tape than necessary.  C Assuming it does this correctly, how does it do the restore of thatn8 disk - hopefully not like older versions of Backup where@ [sys0.syscommon] was restored as the "real" directory instead of
 [vms$common].n  E I'm curious because I do get involved in Enterprise Backup solutions,l) but so far none have been multi-platform.e    F On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:14:57 +0000, Alan Fay <alan.fay@btinternet.com> wrote:   >i >o >f >  > C >    Before I say anything, I would just  like  to  say  I  am  theo0 >    author of the VERITAS NetBackUp VMS Client. >-C >    The original design implementation was from Solaris  UNIX.  It C >    contained a large number of  UNIX  style  command  lines  withO1 >    associated '-options' and other 'UNIX-isms'.o > C >    I modified as many of these 'UNIX-isms'  as  I  could  to  usenC >    proper VMS command syntax with /QUALIFIERS and VALUES. I  also.C >    supported only native OpenVMS file specifications and  logicalBC >    names wherever I could. The VMS Client also backs up  100%  of: >    the VMS file attributes.i >oC >    I tried to make the implementation as  VMS  like  as  possiblea? >    (yes I like VMS and have worked with VMS for a long time).m >WC >    The VMS client can (and does) backup and  restore  very  largenC >    'user-data' disk arrays. The NetBackUp Robots and medis stocks C >    can be very large and very expensive. It makes sense to  sharesC >    this cost with UNIX users in the same organization. Often  VMS67 >    users get access to these vast resources for free.0 >1C >    VMS system disks are usually small (2 to 4G) and  are  usuallyeC >    kept separate from large 'user-data'  databases.  Sharing  the@7 >    system disk with large databases is not efficient.l > C >    I have a number of 36G disks but none of  them  are  a  system6C >    disk. These are the disks I work on. The largest system disk Ii >    have is 4G on an Alpha. >yC >    I use the VMS Client to backup all my 36G disks. Why?  BecausetC >    those backups will efficiently use every inch of the DLT tapesgC >    that I possess without me taking  any  special  steps,  and  Ij >    backup daily. >oC >    For disaster recovery I use VMS BACKUP  to  backup  my  system3C >    disks. I have twelve system disk backups on my bookshelf. EachsC >    DLT tape is a single /IMAGE backup of  the  system  disk.  TheSC >    most recent system disk backup is two months  ago.  My  oldestc* >    system disk backup is nine years old. >a	 >    alanl >r >  >a( >    ,---------------------------------.( >    |         O p e n V M S           |( >    |          Programming            |( >    |           Alan Fay              |( >    |     Author of the VERITAS       |( >    |    NetBackUp OpenVMS Client     |( >    |    Phone (0044) 1264 771678     |( >    | Nr. Andover, Hampshire, England |( >    |  Email alan.fay@btinternet.com  |( >    `---------------------------------' >r >i >y >  >e >  >p  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqn- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:27:56 GMTv From: waybright@my-deja.como Subject: VMS vs. Tru64 Unix-) Message-ID: <906ra6$1tf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>0  * I'm looking for information and supporting/ evidence for what is the preffered platform forW1 running an Oracle 8i DB on a GS320 Alpha system -0 VMS or Tru64 Unix?  0 We are building a new Data base server that will. be the heartbeat of our business.  Needs to be- highly available, high performance, scalable, 0 flexible, interoperable.  Will connect to Compaq1 SAN.    Need to consider total cost of ownership,o, investment protection- market share, support issues.y  # VMS or Unix?  Thanks for your help!r    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2000 01:18:12 GMTi2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: VMS vs. Tru64 Unixs6 Message-ID: <906u8k$g1t$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G In article <906ra6$1tf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, waybright@my-deja.com writes:l :...VMS or Unix?...i  J   As is the usual case with this question, there can be no specific answerH   that will be the correct answer for anyone and everyone that might be    asking this question.l  G   Please check the OpenVMS FAQ section covering the "which is better?" e   discussion.  -  L   The core of your decision comes down to rating familiarity, availability, M   applicability, cost and cost-of-ownership, expandability, flexibility, etc.0L   Each of these attributes can be highly subjective, and highly-specific to '   your business and to your datacenter.e  H   Phrases such as your "heartbeat of our business", "highly available", K   "high performance", and "scalable" (and most of the phrases I used in my OM   own previous paragraph here, I might add) all have no general, agreed-upon tN   meaning.  In other words, far more digging into the particular requirements    would be required.  I   That said, I would use OpenVMS for this.  But I am clearly also biased.p  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:34:22 GMT. From: fdasfs <dafa@dfadf.com>e Subject: Re: VMS vs. Tru64 Unixu+ Message-ID: <3A27381E.23EFA6A2@hotmail.com>c  A I would also consider Rdb on VMS instead of Oracle.  Rdb has been H positioned as the only highly available, highly scalable (seen databasesB in the 4-8Tb range), high performance, flexible and interoperable.  E It is the ONLY database/OS combination that will give you the kind ofE@ uptime you are looking for.   IIRC, with Oracle, you need to runC parallel server to access the database from more than one node at ah+ time.   Rdb does not have that restriction.oD Online Backups are simpler. A one line command as opposed to a 2-300G line shell script to do the same thing in Oracle.  You can restore just.G one page in Rdb.  The optimizer is still better, Sorts are still fasterr@ in VMS. (order by clause) and the list goes on and on and on....  2 That is both my professional and personal opinion.   Michael Austin DBA Consultant   waybright@my-deja.com wrote:  , > I'm looking for information and supporting1 > evidence for what is the preffered platform form3 > running an Oracle 8i DB on a GS320 Alpha system -0 > VMS or Tru64 Unix? >v2 > We are building a new Data base server that will0 > be the heartbeat of our business.  Needs to be/ > highly available, high performance, scalable, 2 > flexible, interoperable.  Will connect to Compaq3 > SAN.    Need to consider total cost of ownership,G. > investment protection- market share, support	 > issues.  >h% > VMS or Unix?  Thanks for your help!B >K( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.w   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:36:21 GMTe3 From: Michael Austin <michaelaustininc@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: VMS vs. Tru64 Unix + Message-ID: <3A273895.E27E06B9@hotmail.com>'  L hmmm... looks like someone has been messing with the IDENTITY in my Netscape mail....  
 fdasfs wrote:y  C > I would also consider Rdb on VMS instead of Oracle.  Rdb has beenrJ > positioned as the only highly available, highly scalable (seen databasesD > in the 4-8Tb range), high performance, flexible and interoperable. >(G > It is the ONLY database/OS combination that will give you the kind ofpB > uptime you are looking for.   IIRC, with Oracle, you need to runE > parallel server to access the database from more than one node at ae- > time.   Rdb does not have that restriction.:F > Online Backups are simpler. A one line command as opposed to a 2-300I > line shell script to do the same thing in Oracle.  You can restore just.I > one page in Rdb.  The optimizer is still better, Sorts are still faster B > in VMS. (order by clause) and the list goes on and on and on.... >r4 > That is both my professional and personal opinion. >  > Michael Austin > DBA Consultant >n > waybright@my-deja.com wrote: >M. > > I'm looking for information and supporting3 > > evidence for what is the preffered platform ford5 > > running an Oracle 8i DB on a GS320 Alpha system -p > > VMS or Tru64 Unix? > >d4 > > We are building a new Data base server that will2 > > be the heartbeat of our business.  Needs to be1 > > highly available, high performance, scalable, 4 > > flexible, interoperable.  Will connect to Compaq5 > > SAN.    Need to consider total cost of ownership,t0 > > investment protection- market share, support > > issues.b > >n' > > VMS or Unix?  Thanks for your help!b > >e* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Nov 2000 21:18:35 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)r- Subject: Re: VMS vs. Tru64 Unix for Oracle 8ia+ Message-ID: <fIDYHgbc9NSq@eisner.decus.org>A  G In article <906ra6$1tf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, waybright@my-deja.com writes: , > I'm looking for information and supporting1 > evidence for what is the preffered platform for 3 > running an Oracle 8i DB on a GS320 Alpha system -  > VMS or Tru64 Unix?   Preferred by whom ?e  2 > We are building a new Data base server that will0 > be the heartbeat of our business.  Needs to be/ > highly available, high performance, scalable, 2 > flexible, interoperable.  Will connect to Compaq3 > SAN.    Need to consider total cost of ownership, . > investment protection- market share, support	 > issues.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:50:05 GMT?3 From: cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius) 6 Subject: Re: Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs?+ Message-ID: <N26QICJFb+DC@eisner.decus.org>c  X In article <9033p4$m20@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:] > "Alan E. Feldman" <alan48@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:901bj8$id8$1@nnrp1.deja.com...a > @ >> Why does it take so much virtual memory to run this tiny job?D >>  Direct I/O count:          26  Peak virtual size:           3077 > I > It's a feature of using shared rather than statically linked libraries.i> > You get to map a whole load of pages that you don't need but@ > it's a cheap operation and saves real memory. And with a batchD > file, you get to map the DCL interpreter too. Unless I am mistaken< > all these count to the total, which is only ~1.5MB anyway.  B Kind of interesting to look at an Alpha with a minimal program (no? shared images, and no DCL context).  I still get a rather largel' peak virtual size: 163280 (x8KB) pages.n  E Also of interest in the listing below is the way a delta time of 0.00eE seconds is displayed - but I guess that's been discussed here before.t   This is VMS 7.2 on a DS20.   --8 George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org0                               cornelius@mayo.edu  M -----------------------------------------------------------------------------e   $ type tsmall.mars  ; TSMALL.MAR GFC 2000-11-29 Test!  .psect pure__code,exe,nowrt,quade ;a
 ; Do nothing.  ;o
 theENTRY::?  .call_entry max_args=0,home_args=false,output=<r0>,preserve=<>y         CALLS   #0,G^SYS$HIBER         RET- ;          .end    theENTRY    A $ run/detached /proc=tsmall tsmall /out=tsmall.log/err=tsmall.err:= %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 00094845m $. $ sho proc/acc/quo /id=94845  G 30-NOV-2000 15:14:41.27   User: CORNELIUS        Process ID:   00094845cG                           Node: MYNODE           Process name: "TSMALL"t   Process Quotas:   Account name: MYACCTtF  CPU limit:                      Infinite  Direct I/O limit:       200F  Buffered I/O byte count quota:    255680  Buffered I/O limit:     200F  Timer queue entry quota:              10  Open file quota:        399F  Paging file quota:                198400  Subprocess quota:        32F  Default page fault cluster:           64  AST quota:              200F  Enqueue quota:                       800  Shared file limit:        0F  Max detached processes:                0  Max active jobs:          0   Accounting information:tA  Buffered I/O count:         3  Peak working set size:        528wA  Direct I/O count:           2  Peak virtual size:         163280-A  Page faults:               25  Mounted volumes:                0s  Images activated:           00  Elapsed CPU time:       17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00)  Connect time:              0 00:00:10.89o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:55:48 GMTd* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>6 Subject: Re: Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs?) Message-ID: <906lth$tbt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t   --   ^^deja font fixeru  
 In articleD <2A174DD2A44B3B2D.0E76C896AAAA890B.22DF619CA9C46C6D@lp.airnews.net>,2   Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote: > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > >e > > >hH > > > Basically, virtual pages are those pages that are reserved for theC > > > process and might be used.  Working set pages are those pages  that are > > > currently in real memory.m > > >2  9 Except for those on the free and modified lists, I think.    > >pF > > Or were used and might be used again! Cool. So does this mean that  ? I was referring here to "those pages that are currently in realn@ memory", not the working set pages. Just wanted to clarify that.  D > > pages on the free list that previously belonged to a process are alsoD > > part of that process's virtual memory space? I guess so! (Please > > correct me if I'm wrong.)n >/E > Sort of.  The term "virtual memory space" as used above isn't quite F > correct.  When a page is removed from the working set and put on the2 > free list, it is no longer owned by the process. >t  ? But aren't pages on the modified list and in the page file alsodB not "owned" by the process but still in its virtual address space?F Based on my *new* understaning, if the pages are mapped for a process,G they are part of virtual memory (or address space) no matter where they-E are: the working set, the free list, the modified list, the page/swaprG files, the images, section files, what have you. Also, I thought a page , is "owned" only if it is in the working set.  F > However, there is enough information left that if it is necessary toE > fault the page back in, and the page is still on the free list, VMSt canwG > utilize the page on the free list instead of having to go back out toi> > disk.  This is a soft fault.  A hard fault goes to the disk.  E Hence the reason for the "secondary page cache": to try to avoid slowl4 hard faults by replacing them with fast soft faults.   >[...]  C > Keep in mind that "peak page file" and "peak virtual size" can bef > different. >hC > Non-writable pages that come from images are part of the "virtualt size"a, > but do not take up space in the page file.  A OK, now here you have me confused again! Check out the following:m   $ SHOW WORK:>   Working Set      /Limit= 895   /Quota= 1790    /Extent= 2048G   Adjustment enabled    Authorized Quota= 1790  Authorized Extent= 2048u $ SHOW PROC/ACC   G 30-NOV-2000 17:09:51.45   User: SYSTEM           Process ID:   00001A22rG                           Node: IDS08            Process name: "_RTA1:"s   Accounting information:eA  Buffered I/O count:        72  Peak working set size:        436iA  Direct I/O count:          23  Peak virtual size:           3205 A  Page faults:              626  Mounted volumes:                0S  Images activated:           5)  Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:00.18-)  Connect time:              0 00:00:13.45i $ LO/FU-4   SYSTEM       logged out at 30-NOV-2000 17:10:45.63     Accounting information:rF   Buffered I/O count:        87         Peak working set size:     436F   Direct I/O count:          23         Peak page file size:      3205F   Page faults:              669         Mounted volumes:             0G   Charged CPU time:     0 00:00:00.20   Elapsed time:     0 00:01:07.63h  B This was run on our pretty-much vanilla VMS system (v5.5-2HF). TheC process quota WSDEFAULT is 895. The "peak working set size" is 436. ? Now, both the "peak virtual size" and "peak page file size" areoG reported to be 3205. Now how can there be any pages in the page file ifaD the working set size never exceeded WSDEFAULT? It was just this thatD was confusing me in the first place! But if "peak page file size" isA really peak virtual size, then it makes sense. For some reason, ItG previously thought that pages weren't part of virtual memory until theynC were at least read into physical memroy first, as I explained in myo previous post.   SHOW PROC/CONT    Virtual pagesF# SHOW PROC/ACC     Peak virtual size % LOGOUT/FULL       Peak page file size   ACCOUNTING/FULL   Peak page fileE F$GETJPI()        "VIRTPEAK" (Well, okay, this one can't be named the + same as the others, but it's close enough.)r  C There's also the [on] severe error is equivalent to the [-F-] fatalc0 error. Why not just call them both fatal errors?   [...]'   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address; itE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the long  wrong part first. Thanks.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)/ w: afeldman@gfigroup.BorisYeltsinCooksCajun.comn5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.coms    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.670 ************************