1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 04 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 677       Contents:( Re: Compaq Linux (RedHat or SCO/Caldera); Re: Compaq Secure Web Server for OpenVMS - access violation 7 Re: Cxan I install only accesories from PAthworks CD ?? 2 Re: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict?2 Re: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict? Re: EBay vs. QXL8 Re: Ethernet adapter compatibility under VMS 7.2-1/Alpha Euro Sign in VMS 7.2-1 Re: Euro Sign in VMS 7.2-15 Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!! + Re: Getting X11/motif to run on new machine + Re: Getting X11/motif to run on new machine  Re: link: VMS 7.1 vs VMS 7.2-1 Re: looking for history of VMS Re: Memory Module question  Re: OpenVMS 7.3 - The right date  RE: OpenVMS 7.3 - The right date  Re: OpenVMS 7.3 - The right date  Re: OpenVMS 7.3 - The right date Re: OpenVMS CBT 9 Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 9 Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 6 Re: PCSI files (was: Re: Need help, thanks in advance)6 Re: PCSI files (was: Re: Need help, thanks in advance)" Re: Postscript to Word conversion?" Re: Postscript to Word conversion?" Re: Postscript to Word conversion?/ processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???  Re: Q22-bus programming  Re: Q22-bus programming 
 Search bug Re: Search bug6 smbclient vms Openvms ctlsmb symbiont printer solution" Re: Tape Drive replacement options Thread safe version of strtok?" Re: Thread safe version of strtok?I Re: Trouble with isacfg on AXPpci33 (noname) and DE205 (isa network card)  Re: Two hosts sharing RA system 4 RE: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)4 Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)4 Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)4 Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections) Re: VMS and NT integration?????  Re: VMS and NT integration?????  Re: VMS and NT integration?????  VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date?  We need your 7820 systems ! - Re: Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs? - Re: Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:04:43 -0000 1 From: "NewsReader" <NewsReader@NotOnYourLife.Com> 1 Subject: Re: Compaq Linux (RedHat or SCO/Caldera) 2 Message-ID: <X6VU5.11$_J.6879@news.enterprise.net>  ; I vote SuSe too! But, if you can wait for the 2.4 kernel...   - "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in message % news:VA.000001a7.083d8500@sture.ch... H > In article <3A23078E.123CE49F@earthlink.net>, David J. Dachtera wrote:; > > From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 5 > > Subject: Re: Compaq Linux (RedHat or SCO/Caldera) ) > > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:17:02 -0600  > >  > > Gord Coulman wrote:  > > > 0 > > > Which is the best one for Alpha platforms? > >  > > Wow - tough call.  > > K > > Both Red Hat and Mandrake have an Alpha distro (since Mandrake *IS* red  > > Hat underneath). > > I > And Suse too. I've got the Intel version, and IMHO it's far superior to H > and significantly cheaper than Red Hat (spoken as a relative newbie to	 > Linux).  > ! > > There's *BSD for Alpha, also.  > >  >  > ___  > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:04:30 -05003 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com> D Subject: Re: Compaq Secure Web Server for OpenVMS - access violation6 Message-ID: <90giqd$r6b$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Paul Sture wrote in message ...  >Problem Report  >  >This on Alpha VMS V7.2-1H1. > F >1. After installing the CSWS PCSI kit dated 28-SEP-2000 12:03:41, andC >configuring it according to the Release Notes, running the startup = >shows that a process is created, but this process disappears 
 >immediately.  > H >According to the Accounting utility, the final status code os 10000024,B >text %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, isufficient privilege or object protection >violation.  > E >But Analyze/Audit shows no file access violations; only a successful H >READ,WRITE access of SYSUAF by that process. I do have the audit set toG >report all file access violations, which leads me to believe that CSWS $ >itself is setting this exit status.  : Check APACHE$ROOT:[LOGS]ERROR_LOG. for any error messages.  J If you're auditing file access violations you may not be seeing all NOPRIV+ errors. I believe you can audit privileges.    Gaitan D'Antoni . Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderC http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html  Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:19:01 -0500& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>@ Subject: Re: Cxan I install only accesories from PAthworks CD ??8 Message-ID: <3lPW5.1965$0f1.105670@wagner.videotron.net>  J Your CD's autorun should display ea menu (for PW V7.x anyway) . You should, see an option to install only powerterm 525.D If you do this, DO NOT include the SET PCSA=C::\PW32 command in your1 autoexec.bat or powerterm will not work properly.    Syltrem.  ( "MJS" <sharty@ccbs.com> wrote in message3 news:3a2a0296.898868650@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com... F > I am loading up some newer machines and they will not run my currentE > version ( old) of pathworks, but I'd like to use the VT320 emulator ! > from it for terminal emulation.  > * > However, I do not see an install for it. > H > By clicking on the VT320.EXE i got the name of about 3 DLL's it wantedG > and moved them to the \windows\system directory and got it to come up - > with 4 serial ports but  TELNET is ghosted.  > D > Is there a way to get it to work with a telnet (TCP/IP connection0F > without all of the rest of the Pathwork overhead that will not go on > this machine ??? > G > (is there a subset of the additional DLL's that will allow connection  > over a TCP/IP socket)  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:32:43 GMT % From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) ; Subject: Re: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict? / Message-ID: <3a2b90a8.8816717@news.newsguy.com>   = On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:28:41 GMT, herbertk@my-deja.com wrote:   > >There are 2 Pc's in our office connected to the same network.A >One has TCP/IP on it, and that's it: A clean PC. It can transfer B >data at about 15Mb/min to a Vax with UCX on, and about 50M/min to# >a Unix box. These speeds are fine. F >Another PC has had Pathworks V7.1A installed. When we try to transferF >data from this to the UCX-Vax, or another Vax with only decnet on it,3 >the rate is pathetically slow, if it works at all.  > B >We have tried all the obvious things, tune the vax, switch browseC >master off etc, but it seems to come down to these PC's (Compaq's) > >just not liking Pathworks, or having it conflict with TCP/IP. > ) >Sometimes the PC's just hang altogether.  > C >Before we go the next step and remove pathworks, and perhaps  also B >replace the Vaxes with Unix boxes, does anyone have any idea what# >is causing Decnet to be so sloW???   A Go into NCP and on both the PC and VAX and issue the command SHOW F EXECUTOR CHAR (it might just be SHOW CHAR on the PC but I don't have aF Pathworks DECNET PC available to check). Look for pipeline quota. This8 sets the maximum number of bytes that can be transmittedD unacknowledged. Try upping this in multiples of the buffer size (576D by default). With some network cards it was possible for the PC noitD to be able to keep up and reducing the pipeline quota would help. IfE you are actually seeing hangs then this may be the problem so I would D first try reducing the pipeline quota to one buffer. IIRC  on the PCD this is set as the buffer multiplier rather than the number of bytesB so try setting this to 1. I can't recall whether upping the bufferD size would cause more efficient use of the the ethernet packet or if> DECNET packed multiple packets up to the pipleline quota in an ethernet frame.   E It's three years since I last worked with Pathworks over DECNET so my F memory is a bit hazy. There is a Pathworks DECNET performance cookbook# on DSN somewhere which should help.   D Also I used to get over 30MB/min to a Pathworks VAX 4300 running UCXE 4.something with Pathworks V4.something so there may be some room for A improvement here as well. With recent versions of UCX/TCPIP it is 5 worthwhile trying UCX> SET PROTOCOL TCPIP/NODELAY_ACK    SET SOAPBOX   A Pathworks remains the worst supported product for VMS I have ever F seen, I have recently been evaluating the latest version after severalA years away. In my experience Pathworks support and TCPIP suppport ? bounce problems back and forward between them and do everything D possible to close the call without solving it. I have been trying toB get a proper fix for the TCPIP delayed ack problem for months. TheC latest TCPIP ECO kit fixes the problem for WIndows PCs running NT 4 E Service Pack 5 or later but no other releases. The problem re-appears E in Windows 2000 with or without Service Pack 1. On Tru-64 the problem C appears to have been fixed for any client. I have continually asked > (for months) what is the difference between the VMS and Tru-64D implementations and why the same fix cannot be applied to VMS. I canB at least understand their point of view that the Microsoft clients? screwup the TCPIP flow control but that doesn't explain why the A problem seemingly is fixed on Tru-64 but not VMS. It also doesn't ; explain why they can't set a Pathworks config option to use D NODELAY_ACK on Pathworks sockets without having to set this globally@ as a workaround. I have been told point blank that the Pathworks@ developers will not implement this but they won't give a reason.E Recently the CSC called me back to tell me that they were closing the C call because Windows 2000 was not supported and wouldn't be even in E the next release of Advanced Server. I pointed them at the Compaq web C pages which said that Windows 2000 clients would be supported fully B with the next release and are supported on a 'best effort" releaseE with the current version. The CSC were not even aware of these policy  statements.   
 SET NOSOAPBOX      --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:03:23 -0000 1 From: "NewsReader" <NewsReader@NotOnYourLife.Com> ; Subject: Re: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict? 2 Message-ID: <H5VU5.10$_J.6693@news.enterprise.net>  J Try PATHWORKS 32 V 7.2; It's been out a while now & it includes various IP fixes.  K <herbertk@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:900pvs$26q$1@nnrp1.deja.com... ? > There are 2 Pc's in our office connected to the same network. B > One has TCP/IP on it, and that's it: A clean PC. It can transferC > data at about 15Mb/min to a Vax with UCX on, and about 50M/min to $ > a Unix box. These speeds are fine.G > Another PC has had Pathworks V7.1A installed. When we try to transfer G > data from this to the UCX-Vax, or another Vax with only decnet on it, 4 > the rate is pathetically slow, if it works at all. > C > We have tried all the obvious things, tune the vax, switch browse D > master off etc, but it seems to come down to these PC's (Compaq's)? > just not liking Pathworks, or having it conflict with TCP/IP.  > * > Sometimes the PC's just hang altogether. > D > Before we go the next step and remove pathworks, and perhaps  alsoC > replace the Vaxes with Unix boxes, does anyone have any idea what $ > is causing Decnet to be so sloW??? >  > Thanks >  > Bob. > ( > nospam@bdmfiles@bemroseit.co.uk@nospam >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:03:59 GMT % From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: EBay vs. QXL / Message-ID: <3a2b87ae.6519063@news.newsguy.com>   ? On 27 Nov 2000 16:42:23 GMT, sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren  Sander) wrote:    / >As for the uptime on the OpenVMS web server...  > K >OpenVMS V6.2  on node VMS001  27-NOV-2000 11:36:53.88  Uptime  26 23:20:35  > > >That's because there was a PLANNED power cycle in early Nov.  > G >For the most part the server system has had better than %99.99 uptime  E >since it went live May 1995. There have been several planned outages  >1) update hardware 
 >2) y2k fixes 6 >3) new version of web server software (several times)/ >4) Move server system from DAS to TAY facility ! >5) Planned power/network outages    Warren,   A When the OpenVMS web site first went live it was a cluster of two ? machines. Several of the above downtimes could easily have been F circumvented ad there been a cluster. Why was the server downgraded to just one machine?    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:01:36 -0500% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> A Subject: Re: Ethernet adapter compatibility under VMS 7.2-1/Alpha / Message-ID: <t2nc3tovqfl4ef@corp.supernews.com>   J If you're running a 10 or 100Mb network, use one of the DE500 series cards  = They are very cheap (well they're $55) and work with every OS   7 They're even auto-detectable with NT and PNP with Win98   " 3COM's, AFAIK, don't work with VMS     David    -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended 
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete this  message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.    H <alanb@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:3A287DDE.6A07CE3C@cloud9.net...D > Has anyone tried any 3COM card on an Alpha? The SPD only lists non > third-party ones.  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:04:59 +0100* From: "Zonnet News" <hertzlease@zonnet.nl> Subject: Euro Sign in VMS 7.2-1 2 Message-ID: <iwNW5.1979$MU5.22935@zonnet-reader-1>  
 Hi everybody,   > We are using VMS 7.2-1 and we are looking for the EURO Symbol.L Can anybody tell me how I can create, generate or maybe copy the symbol so I can use it? F Please e-mail the answer or some helpfull tips to it.nl@hertzlease.com4 because we're not reading this newsgroup very often.   Thanks!   	 Paul Smit  Hertz Lease  it.nl@hertzlease.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 15:44:21 +0100 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: Euro Sign in VMS 7.2-1 * Message-ID: <3a2badc5$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  _ In article <iwNW5.1979$MU5.22935@zonnet-reader-1>, "Zonnet News" <hertzlease@zonnet.nl> writes: ? >We are using VMS 7.2-1 and we are looking for the EURO Symbol. M >Can anybody tell me how I can create, generate or maybe copy the symbol so I  >can use it?  C Check the EURO patch (xxxDWEUR01_U5012) for DECwindows-MOTIF V1.2-5 $ to get the symbol into this X11 GUI.  B Check your VT terminal vendor or Win32 VT terminal-emulator vendorG to hopefully get the symbol into yet another piece of your equipment...    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 17:06:44 GMT 0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!* Message-ID: <90giv4$7jd@usenet.pa.dec.com>   re: dummies book.   ; Ok, we heard and last week the process was updated/changed.   F 1) inside the us you can continue to order from the OpenVMS eStore forJ free until their inventory runs out. Then the page will disappear from the OpenVMS eStore  P 2) For WORLDWIDE anyplace on the EARTH (we don't do extra-planetary orders yet) K you can go to http://www.openvms.compaq.com/dummies_book.html and there you F will find a form to fill out to request a copy of the book. It will doG worldwide address's. If there is something missing from the form let me  know and I'll update it.    L 3) we are still on course for setting up a store that will handle additionalB geographies. Hopefully we will have Europe in the next few months.   -warrene   -- IB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.com 3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875n6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ nB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:36:10 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: Getting X11/motif to run on new machine, Message-ID: <90gkmg$d24o$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  D You have a PixelVision.  You need to install the Open3D kit (V4.9a IJ believe) for support.  You need the Open3D license ONLY if you plan to useH the 3D capabilities.  However, the kit can be installed to obtain the 2D bits without the license.s   _Fred    Grant Schoep wrote in messager2 <4.2.0.58.20001202185859.00d345b0@192.69.85.13>...J >I'm trying to get OpenVMS 7.2 running on an Alphastation 200 4/233. But I/ >can't get it to recognize its graphics device.u >nI >I new to doing admin work on VMS, I just wanted to play with it a bit ath/ >home and learn more about it. So bear with me.a > I >I just got the OpenVMS 7.2 media and installed it.  I added my licenses,AF >and after the next boot, the machine comes up with with the following error: > 2 >DECW$DEVICE=I=NODEVICE, no graphics devices found >wK >I wonder if my graphics device is not supported in OpenVMS 7.2?(The reasoncJ >I got it for free was that it was no longer supported in the new releases >of Digital Unix.) >iK >I'm not sure how to tell what kind of card it is, from the >>> show config  >it looks like a PV-PCI. >nL >When the system is up and I do a show device, I see a device GUA0:, which I- >think may be the card, but it says disabled.- >-J >I may have not added the correct licenses, what licenses should I need to >run it?I >I added the DW-MOTIF license, any others that I should need? Until I getXE >the network running, I need to type all my licenses in by hand, so In) >haven't added them all from my file yet." >a* >Anything ideas of how to proceed? Thanks. >-grant8 >@L >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Grant Schoep, grant@storm.com >Software Developerm >L3 Com - Storm Control System >Basingstoke, UK >u >c   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:11:45 GMT11 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> 4 Subject: Re: Getting X11/motif to run on new machine2 Message-ID: <3A2BDFB4.A2A86FF4@clarityconnect.com>  4 Please post the log file from the following commands   $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM SET LOG {file}.LOG) CLUE CONFIG ! Press <CR> thru all screensM EXIT   Grant Schoep wrote:n > K > I'm trying to get OpenVMS 7.2 running on an Alphastation 200 4/233. But I 0 > can't get it to recognize its graphics device. > J > I new to doing admin work on VMS, I just wanted to play with it a bit at0 > home and learn more about it. So bear with me. > J > I just got the OpenVMS 7.2 media and installed it.  I added my licenses,N > and after the next boot, the machine comes up with with the following error: > 3 > DECW$DEVICE=I=NODEVICE, no graphics devices found  > L > I wonder if my graphics device is not supported in OpenVMS 7.2?(The reasonK > I got it for free was that it was no longer supported in the new releases  > of Digital Unix.)  > L > I'm not sure how to tell what kind of card it is, from the >>> show config > it looks like a PV-PCI.i > M > When the system is up and I do a show device, I see a device GUA0:, which I . > think may be the card, but it says disabled. > K > I may have not added the correct licenses, what licenses should I need toR	 > run it?oJ > I added the DW-MOTIF license, any others that I should need? Until I getF > the network running, I need to type all my licenses in by hand, so I* > haven't added them all from my file yet. > + > Anything ideas of how to proceed? Thanks.u > -grant > M > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------i > Grant Schoep, grant@storm.com  > Software Developer > L3 Com - Storm Control System/ > Basingstoke, UK.   -- nD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 14:38:07 +0100g* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: link: VMS 7.1 vs VMS 7.2-1 * Message-ID: <3a2b9e3f$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  W In article <9067ph$gl7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bru, Pierre <Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr> writes:cB >I can install neither MX4.1 nor 4.2 with SMTP support on my alpha? >running OpenVMS 7.2-1 with either TCPIP 5.0a or UCX V4.2 ECO3.p >iG >all was OK with OpenVMS 7.1 but after 7.2-1 I had a "version mismatch,uA >please relink" error. so I tried to re-install but now I got thee >following error:  >m7 >%VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set D ... ( >%MX-I-LINKING, Linking image MX_SMTP...= >%LINK-W-MULCLUOPT, cluster  multiply defined in options fileo1 >DHLM$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.MX041]MX_SMTP.ALPHA_OPT;1t< >%LINK-W-MULCLUOPT, cluster multiply defined in options file1 >DHLM$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.MX041]MX_SMTP.ALPHA_OPT;1t> >%VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of MX V4.1 has failed. >r >d8 >$ type DHLM$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.MX041]MX_SMTP.ALPHA_OPT;1+ >VMI$KWD:SMTP.ALPHA_OLB/INCLUDE=MX_SMTP/LIBl >VMI$KWD:COMMON.ALPHA_OLB/LIB  >MX_SHR:.EXE/SHARE >NETLIB_SHRXFR:/SHARE- >MX_FLQ_SHR:/SHARE >  >08 >any idea ? any new symbol in OpenVMS standart library ?< >(MX is written in BLISS. I do not re-compile, only re-link)  1 Check NETLIB and then ask again in VMSNET.MAIL.MXT   -- N< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888h< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 16:56:54 GMT 0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)' Subject: Re: looking for history of VMSy* Message-ID: <90gicm$7jd@usenet.pa.dec.com>   re: vax history..l  + found another site..done by the VAX folks..t  ? http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/vax/timeline/vax_article.htmlo   -warren  -- (B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.com 3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875n6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ PB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 13:41:05 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)m# Subject: Re: Memory Module questiond, Message-ID: <90g6th$2r0q$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  / In article <t2drmmju86hj40@corp.supernews.com>,i0  "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com> writes: |> 1) Which PDP11 is it ???a  5 I have tried it in an 11/73 and a couple of 11/23+'s.l   |> t< |> If I remember correctly the M7551-AC is th MSV11-QC ???!!   True.r   |> h3 |> IF it's a PDP11/73 then you should be good to goa |> eG |> The newer systems required the MSV11-, JB, C, D, JE and JF I believee  C I just spent the weekend trying to beat this thing into submission.pD No luck.  I read something in a MicroNote about there being a memoryB test problem in the BDV Prom code (the 11/23+ is claimed to be BDVC compatable.)  So I turned of the startup tests.  When I do this andsC boot RT-11 from an RX02 SH CONF says 1024K.  Running the memory map3E program (MM) that came with the Andromeda cards I have shows the full E 4 Meg in the memory map.  But then when I try to boot Ultrix-11 I getCE the "Sizing Memory" message and there it hangs.  I assume it is doingEE some kind of memory test comparable tot he startup one and it doesn'ta work.  I'm baffled.e     |>  9 |> FWIW -My Memory doesn't work too well after 1mb eithery  0 Teacher, can I leave the room, my brain is full?   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:25:36 GMTp From: richard_maher@my-deja.com0) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 - The right date ) Message-ID: <90fuvd$mv6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r   Hi,i  - > Do you want it now or do you want it right?   A I want it free from that RTR virus! Is it true that the hard-copy F documentation is being sent to users with plain brown wrapping and theC label "You are already a winner" to try and entice the foolhardy tor open it?   Regards Richard Maher.  - In article <3A285B85.A6D5D96E@earthlink.net>,S:   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:, > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > >eD > > Do you know what date the OVMS 7.3 will be release ? Jan, Feb or Mar ?n4 > > The online documentation just say First Quarter. > G > First you're anxious to get rid 'em, now you're antsy to upgrade 'em?l >e- > Do you want it now or do you want it right?o >2 > -- > David J. Dachterao > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ >S< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p >eH > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >iB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >OH > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.0 >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 07:02:30 -0600$+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> ) Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3 - The right datecN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284A8E@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   David,  J >>> Hhmmm... Sounds like candidates for the upgrade should wait 'til Q4 of8 CY2001 to make the next step along the upgrade path. <<<  K Fwiw - every release has a follow-on version a number of months later. Thist one is no different.    F As with every release, each system manager needs to weigh the many newK features and enhancements (Release Notes and New Feature manuals) to see ife6 these provide any specific benefits to their company.    :-)l   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesf Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----< From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net] Sent: December 3, 2000 2:24 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 - The right dateU     "Volckaerts, Tommy" wrote: > I > OpenVMS 7.3 wil be released in March 2001 followed by 7.3.1 (which will E > include updates that were not ready to be put in 7.3) in Fall 2001.t > % > Just had a training on the subject.-  F Hhmmm... Sounds like candidates for the upgrade should wait 'til Q4 of4 CY2001 to make the next step along the upgrade path.   --   David J. Dachtera8 dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:38:13 GMT10 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 - The right date48 Message-ID: <97NW5.87224$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com>   Hello folks:  B Do OpenVMS 7.3 support VAX machines or just Alpha machines? I have@ only Charon-VAX emulator at this time but I plan to buy Alpha PC	 some day.a  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   -- a, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 09:34:01 -0500c9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)h) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 - The right datew+ Message-ID: <bJB9ZfHPSRO6@eisner.decus.org>d  k In article <97NW5.87224$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com>, Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> writes:n > Hello folks: > D > Do OpenVMS 7.3 support VAX machines or just Alpha machines? I haveB > only Charon-VAX emulator at this time but I plan to buy Alpha PC > some day.p  ) They said V7.3 is for both VAX and Alpha. K The only releases where they skip VAX seem to be the -1, -2, etc. releases,o( since there are more bugfixes for Alpha.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 16:59:54 GMTn0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) Subject: Re: OpenVMS CBT* Message-ID: <90giia$7jd@usenet.pa.dec.com>  * That 'pc' version is more an IE version..   & Try http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wbt/  ' First it requires java and javascript..d  < second.. you have to hit the 'right arrow' on the first pageE cause there isn't anything in the menu on the left until you hit that- next page arrow.     --  B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.come3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ sB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:19:48 GMT:% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)eB Subject: Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <3a2b8b37.7423995@news.newsguy.com>W  4 On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:14:37 -0500, "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> wrote:W  / >It really would be nice if Oracle Rdb would beR, >an officially supported product on OpenVMS.1 >It would also be rather pleasant if the Attunityu3 >Connect "On Platform" package included the drivers  >for RMS and Rdb..  D Yes, that would definitely be handy. But you can always use Oracle'sC own ODBC drivers for RDB whiich is available for free download from D the Oracle RDB web site. However I found ths driver to be far slowerF and have more bugs than Navigator/Attunity driver. If you tried to useF the driver to talk to (CODASYL) DBMS via transparent gateway it became almost unusable.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:29:14 GMT-% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)0B Subject: Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <3a2b8c45.7693903@news.newsguy.com>   . On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:24:40 -0500, Jim Jennis& <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> wrote:  1 >>	Zane (who still would like a Hobbyist version) K >Sad, but true! You can get FULL ORACLE DEVELOPMENT KITS for every platformeJ >under the sun (no pun intended) from Oracle for $200/kit, but OVMS is NOTK >OFFERED! Just another example of how people assume that if you are runningtL >OVMS, you are ripe for the picking! If Compaq is serious  about a promotingH >a rebirth of OVMS they better talk to Larry Ellison and get this fixed.  F I've said this before but Oracle are infamous for reducing prices if aF customer tells them they just won't pay that price. The trick is to goE to higher level sales. Some people have not found this to be true butlF we certainly have. In the most extreme case we got a lot of VMS OracleA software heavily discounted provided we signed up for three yearsrE advance software support. This was when upgrading from an old DEC VAXp@ versions of RDB and DBMS to the latest Oracle versions on Alpha.  E YMMV however and recent press reports say that Oracle intend to phase25 out this flexible pricing but I'd still give it a go.m   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:10:19 GMT-% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)-? Subject: Re: PCSI files (was: Re: Need help, thanks in advance),0 Message-ID: <3a2ba359.13601738@news.newsguy.com>  @ On 29 Nov 2000 20:01:32 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:e   >s` >In article <3A255477.6931080F@bms.calstate.edu>, Jennifer Tran <jtran@bms.calstate.edu> writes: >iD >  Um, "legacy" tends to have a derogatory context, and would not beA >  wording I would choose, particularly when seeking information.t  F The very first time I ever saw the word legacy used in connection withF VMS was around 1990 in a DEC published VMS to Unix migration document.C The past is the past but DEC either started it or were there at the.
 beginning.  C A CA VP recently said that they were trying to encourage the use of E "Classic" rather than "Legacy". So VMS would be a classic rather thanoC legacy OS. Meaning it had stood the test of time and proved itself. E Cynics will suggest (probably correctly) that this may have something B to do with the amount of money CA now makes from products formerly owned by DEC or third parties.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:03:26 +0000t  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com? Subject: Re: PCSI files (was: Re: Need help, thanks in advance)nH Message-ID: <OF30115F1C.D193BD25-ON802569AB.005D9973@qedi.quintiles.com>  K Maybe, but they worked when Digital and/or the 3rd parties had them........e  + Alan Greig (agrieg at my dash deja dot com)d wrote:H >>>Cynics will suggest (probably correctly) that this may have somethingB to do with the amount of money CA now makes from products formerly! owned by DEC or third parties.<<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:17:49 +0100n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>a+ Subject: Re: Postscript to Word conversion?-) Message-ID: <3A2B7D5D.4EDF9885@gtech.com>-   byatesiii@my-deja.com wrote:D > Hmm, Ghostscript for VMS? I searched long and hard for postscript,A > found alot of unix/linux stuff, but no VMS. Will try again! Got- > pointers, anyone?0  < I have used GhostScruipt and GhostView on VMS 3-4 years ago.  ; I could try and dif something up, but probably someone elsei- are still using it and have more recent info.c   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:51:00 +0100 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>r+ Subject: Re: Postscript to Word conversion? 3 Message-ID: <3A2BCB74.30F27191@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>h   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > byatesiii@my-deja.com wrote:F > > Hmm, Ghostscript for VMS? I searched long and hard for postscript,C > > found alot of unix/linux stuff, but no VMS. Will try again! Goti > > pointers, anyone?t > > > I have used GhostScruipt and GhostView on VMS 3-4 years ago. > = > I could try and dif something up, but probably someone else / > are still using it and have more recent info. ' VMS support is in the official release.h see the Ghostscript home pageO+    http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.htmla                Jouk  -- p  > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum essea  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansenu 		     joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nle  E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dddG   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd-  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 16:17:18 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)+ Subject: Re: Postscript to Word conversion? , Message-ID: <90gg2e$d6m@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  g In article <3A2859C3.79671050@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:- >David Mathog wrote: >> aJ >> In article <908gr8$aku$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, byatesiii@my-deja.com writes: >> >F >> >Hmm, Ghostscript for VMS? I searched long and hard for postscript,C >> >found alot of unix/linux stuff, but no VMS. Will try again! Gotr >> >pointers, anyone?t >>  6 >>   http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/get601.html >> aE >Can you post the VMS binaries? ...an object library or two at least?   <   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/ghostscript.zip  G The ZIP contains a backup save set with the full distribution, source,  . objects, binaries, and fonts.  File sizes are:  %    GHOSTCRIPT.ZIP;1       28406/28407%%    GHOSTSCRIPT.BCK;1      75915/75915      Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduo? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech L   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 08:34:26 -0500S1 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)I8 Subject: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???+ Message-ID: <4mEzn5pcBFAW@eisner.decus.org>O  I Lately I've been having user sessions hang around instead of go away when/J they either log out, or just close their KEAterm window or shut down theirL PC. The interesting thing I've noticed is that their TNA ports are left in a state I've not seen before:o  
 $ sho dev tnah  . Device                  Device           Error.  Name                   Status           Count. TNA0:                   Offline              0. TNA507:                 Offline mounted      0. TNA621:                 Offline mounted      0. TNA1003:                Offline mounted      0. TNA1588:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2013:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2040:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2046:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2049:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2055:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2074:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2088:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2160:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2225:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2401:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2483:                Offline mounted      0. TNA2664:                Offline mounted      0 ...s   $ sho dev tna6004/fula  I Terminal TNA6004:, device type VT300 Series, is OFFLINE, MOUNTED, record- A     oriented device, carriage control.          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^a  N     Error count                    0    Operations completed               149N     Owner process         "somebody"    Owner UIC           [someone,somebody]N     Owner process ID        20A15A01    Dev Prot             S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,WN     Reference count                4    Default buffer size                 80  L This seems to have started about 2 months ago, and I can't think of anythingJ I've changed on the VMS host that might be responsible for this. I've seenL it on at least 3 different systems in 2 different locations, with users at 3L different sites; although it happens mostly on our production system where I( currently have 61 such "hung" processes.  H I've tried to reproduce it myself be not logging out and just closing myL KEAterm window, as too many of our users are known to do, but when I do that my process goes away cleanly.   L Any ideas why the TNA devices are going into this state? Any idea what I canL do to make VMS recognize this and either leave the session in a DISCONNECTEDL state, where it will eventually time out and vanish, or just make it go away immediately?  # Alpha AS2100, AS8200, GS140(AS8400)w VMS V7.2 TCPIP V5.0r& KEA! 420 for Windoz V4.22i (build 359)  1     TTY_ALTYPAHD        = 2064          ! for LATnF     TTY_DEFCHAR2        = 135170        ! autobaud|editing|disconnect   - all other TTY_* parameters are default valuest     Bob    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:08:31 GMT?% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)   Subject: Re: Q22-bus programming/ Message-ID: <3a2b8899.6753991@news.newsguy.com>n  / On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:05:38 GMT, Timothy Starko# <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> wrote:a  ' >hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote:o >> Hoff,+ >> Tim is going to be building an emulator. E >> His 10 emulator is almost done. We are all dying to get our hands V >> on it, and hack it. >eH >Yeah. my KS10 emulator is almost done and was able to run TOPS-10 v7.04H >without any problems execpt galaxy daemons that crash during boot time.H >I am preparing for VAX emulator development soon.  I learned that both ) >busses are compatible for programming...a  C How would you go about getting hold of this and do you expect to berB able to boot TOPS20? IIRC support for the KS10 was frozen at aboutF TOPS20 V5? Will the KS10 emulator be extended to support enough of the6 KL10 instruction set to boot later versions of TOPS20?   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:47:15 GMT 0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>  Subject: Re: Q22-bus programming8 Message-ID: <DfNW5.87231$DG3.1678814@news2.giganews.com>  & Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote:E > How would you go about getting hold of this and do you expect to benD > able to boot TOPS20? IIRC support for the KS10 was frozen at aboutH > TOPS20 V5? Will the KS10 emulator be extended to support enough of the8 > KL10 instruction set to boot later versions of TOPS20?  D Yes, I was able boot TOPS-20 v4.1 now but it caught an infinite loopJ somewhere in TOPS-20 because it is trying figure out my emulated RP06 diskI drives again and again.  It is much difficult to debug it without TOPS-20-I monitor/exec source codes.  I already worked on it for KL10 support. Yes,KI KS10 emulator will be extended to support KL10 instruction set as well as E KA10 and KI10 while I am working on VAX emulator in the same code.  IrI still am looking for Q22 func specs because I can't complete VAX emulatoruB without Q22 interface.  For discussion about TOPS-10/TOPS-20, post" articles on alt.sys.pdp10, please.  
 Thank you.   -- Tim Stark   -- h, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:28:02 +0000m2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: Search bug.2 Message-ID: <009F416D.B9FA73B6.104@ccagroup.co.uk>   A minor peccadillo in search:n   $ create test.txt  abcdef abcdee abcdde abcddf" $ sea test.txt e/key=(pos:5,siz:1)  G This ought to pick the first two lines of test.txt, & highlight the 5thwO character (e). It picks the right lines, but highlights all the 'e's, includingt the one in the 6th column.  5 It seems to be readily reproduceable with key size 1.h  N I'm on Alpha VMS 7.1, which I appreciate is on PVS now, and this isn't causing@ me a big problem. I don't know if it's fixed in 7.2 or whatever.  O I tried uk.support@compaq.com, and got neither acknowledgement nor bounce afterd a week./   Thanks, 
 Chris SharmanOG _______________________________________________________________________e8 Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk		http://www.ccagroup.co.uk/C CCA Stationery Ltd, Eastway, Fulwood, Preston, Lancashire, PR2 9WS.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:00:22 +0000 2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> Subject: Re: Search buga. Message-ID: <3A2B8756.1AD2A108@CCAgroup.co.uk>   Chris Sharman wrote:  Z > I tried uk.support@compaq.com, and got neither acknowledgement nor >bounce after a week.  H Sorry, correction: I did get a bounce from uk.support; I got nothng from support@compaq.com  - Anyone know an email address for uk support ?-   Thanks,  Chris>   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:47:55 GMT- From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.comF? Subject: smbclient vms Openvms ctlsmb symbiont printer solutiona) Message-ID: <90glc9$99n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  D I have decided to post this because I could not find an answer to it3 before.  I mean nothing derogatory by that comment.   G The way that I used samba's smbclient (2.0.3) on OpenVMS 7.2-1 to printlA to window's (95/98) machines was to download the symbiont ctlsmb.b   I found it here:  = http://www.tmk.com/ftp/decus-sig-tapes/vlt98b/vmslt98b/samba/c    D I then created the necessary queues and had ctlsmb as the processor.  ) $init/que/processor=ctlsmb <printer name>j  7 I created a command file that looks like the following:h  # $copy 'smb$filespec' trash.tmp /logo/ $smbclient :== $SAMBA_ROOT:[Bin.Alpha]SMBCLIENTpG $smbclient \\cyprus\hp "-U" test%123 -c "translate;printmode text;printe
 trash.tmp" $delete trash.tmp; /loge [EOB]l    = I set up the config.dat file used by the ctlsmb symbiont (see C instructions in zip) to use the <yourprintername>.com command file.O And all works fine (so far).  G Obviously, cyprus is the name of a computer in my organization (as wellrB as the user test).  You must substitute yours.  I am interested inE making my own symbiont.  Anyone have information on that?  What is it  written in?h    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:21:37 GMT-% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) + Subject: Re: Tape Drive replacement optionsq0 Message-ID: <3a2ba72b.14580415@news.newsguy.com>  0 On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 02:32:32 GMT, "Robert Meyer"! <meyerra@worldnet.att.net> wrote:a  K >Our Alpha server is on it's 3rd tape drive from Compaq. The tapes are new,nK >and Compaq sends a Digital service person.   I have an external 4mm HP DAT-J >DDS II tape drive.  Does the Alpha recognize an HP, and if it does, can IM >get drivers to connect, or am I limited to only Compaq/Digital.  I also have-J >an older DLT III.  If I connect this onto a SCSI Channel, will the systemM >recognize, if not are drivers available?  Thank you in advance for your timeN >and patience.  A Works fine. Here's an HP DDS II external drive online to an Alphau running 7.2-1:   $ sho dev mka500/ful  E Magtape XXXX$MKA500:, device type HP C1533A, is online, file-orientedn device,A7     error logging is enabled, device supports fastskip.v  D The system will recognise an old DLT III fine as well even though it6 may not be formally supported on a modern Alphaserver.  : A DDS II drive is extremely slow compared to a modern DLT.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:36:53 +0100e1 From: Pierre Coucoureux <coucoureux.p@fr.ibm.com>S' Subject: Thread safe version of strtok?e* Message-ID: <3A2BD635.CA66A097@fr.ibm.com>  D Do you know if a thread safe version of strtok (strtok_r)  exists on VMS? And in this case, in which0' library or shared image, I can find it.o   Thanks!q   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:10:49 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>+ Subject: Re: Thread safe version of strtok?n, Message-ID: <90gmn9$14po@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  c "Pierre Coucoureux" <coucoureux.p@fr.ibm.com> wrote in message news:3A2BD635.CA66A097@fr.ibm.com...tF > Do you know if a thread safe version of strtok (strtok_r)  exists onI > VMS? And in this case, in which library or shared image, I can find it.   I strtok is thread safe, at least in current versions. See the introductoryt' information about reentrancy in the FM.t   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:46:07 +0000 (UTC)' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> R Subject: Re: Trouble with isacfg on AXPpci33 (noname) and DE205 (isa network card), Message-ID: <90fslf$62l$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  % Mike Burch <mgburch@smart.net> wrote: $ > The srm tells me there is no room.@ > Both 'add_de205' and 'isacfg ... -mk ...' give the same error.  H I guess your ISA table area is not in tact. >>> isacfg -init  will resetI it. Does not delete permanent devices: keyboard, mouse, com1, com2, lpt1,8H and floppy. Parameter -init was missing from earlier versions of manual.! Version EK-AXPCI-DG. C01 has it. 3   regardsw           Osmo Kujala8   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:05:10 +0000a  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com( Subject: Re: Two hosts sharing RA systemH Message-ID: <OF9957858B.C954E654-ON802569AB.004CEF8F@qedi.quintiles.com>  J I think I'd agree with the sentiments which David expressed - the issue isH safety of those data which are on the disks.  I suspect that a situationH not dissimmilar to a partitioned cluster would arise - i.e. really rapid data corruption.  K If you need to share the disks then cluster the systems and/or use any of a I variety of techniques and tools to serve the disks from one system to theoJ other.  Don't try to put shared SCSI disks between un-clustered systems as3 they each won't know when the other one is playing.  Steve.  H p.s. Shared SCSI is great for systems that want a shared disk-farm.  I'mJ using some on my present production systems.  The only problem is that you5 can't do the same with tapes due to bus-reset issues.b        K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> on 12/04/2000 01:36:02 AMg   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:o  ) Subject:  Re: Two hosts sharing RA systemy     Taki Pioy wrote: >tD > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:3A2A8B40.FEEE484D@earthlink.net...s > > Taki Pioy wrote: > > >iE > > > Has anyone managed to configure and run sharing a RA450 storagetD > > > system, with one HSZ50 controller, between two Alphaserver/VMSI > > > non-clustered hosts? I'm going to use this during an "upgrade" onlya< > > > for a month or two, but still for production purposes.	 > > (...)c > >eD > > There was another thread this past week (I believe) where it wasG > > mentioned that some SCSI controllers used in DS20s (I think) do nothH > > support SCSI clustering. Beyond that, I don't think shared SCSI is a' > > real good idea, but that's just me.e > >e > > FWIW...h > >2 >nD > Well, I know that the configuration is not supported, at least not! > without Cluster license. [snip]   H I think it's more question of data safety rather than a licensing issue.  G In this case, however, I believe the issue is that it just flat doesn'td1 work (yeah - THAT definition of "not supported").    -- David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsl http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:23:02 +0000s8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>= Subject: RE: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections) L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FF8@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  I >The reason there are so many different vote counting systems is that thecG >federal government is specifically prohibited by the Constitution from  >mandating a single standard.,  @ Thanks for the detailed run-down on the relevant parts of the USL constitution. Perhaps one outcome of the present fiasco will be to have someI federal body to supervise the competency of each state to run an election K and count votes accurately and which, perhaps, will have the power to order-G recounts, relections, etc whenever there's a supicion of jiggerypokery.    John    B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)e   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 08:40:10 -0500r, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)>+ Message-ID: <mrCBXgHxg5ms@eisner.decus.org>o  b In article <nNhW5.1042$c52.116845@news1.primary.net>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes: > This is to ensure small ' > states, such as Nevada where I live, e  % Perhaps you'ld better define "small".   I > And by the way, all this happens independently of the US Supreme Court.mG > The power to elect the President is a Constitutional power granted totF > Congress (and state legislatures) alone; it is not a law the SupremeH > Court can interpret or change, in much the same sense that the SupremeE > Court could not rule on the validity of impeachment charges againstbF > Clinton a few years ago.  The Court, Congress, and the President areE > separate and equal branches of government, none can dictate how thes > other two operate.  H And just what branch of government do you think is authorized to review C potential conflicts between laws governing elections, or the actualrA process followed to see if it meets the standards the legislatorse
 decided on?  t  E The Constitution grants the selecting of Presidential electors to thee? state legislatures, all of which have passed laws relating that H selection to popular vote and dictating the process by which the popularG vote shall procede.  Someone has to have the authority to enforce thoseeH laws (the executive branch), and someone has to have the power to review/ actions to see if they meet the legal standard.-  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationp= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupTE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:27:26 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)d5 Message-ID: <TCPW5.1239$c52.133255@news1.primary.net>c  9 "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message/% news:mrCBXgHxg5ms@eisner.decus.org...IF > In article <nNhW5.1042$c52.116845@news1.primary.net>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes:T' > Perhaps you'ld better define "small".p >eD Umm,  about 1.5 million people.  In terms of land area I suppose theH state is about the size of Ireland, but over half is desert, and part of that is radioactive. >iB > And just what branch of government do you think is authorized to reviewE > potential conflicts between laws governing elections, or the actualnC > process followed to see if it meets the standards the legislators 
 > decided on?i >xD That is the controversy now being resolved.  The Bush camp maintainsE Florida law should govern the results, based on Article I which gives G state legislatures sole power to choose Electors.  Gore maintains thosenH laws will disenfranchise some voters, which I believe conflicts with oneF of the later Amendments (14th?) and a whole slew of civil rights laws.  G Judging from some of the questions last Friday the Supreme Court is not-@ of one mind as to it's authority to hear the case.  What will beC interesting is if the Florida Legislature goes ahead and approves aaG slate of Electors, disregarding the court cases.  Then it will be up toPE Congress to decide if the slate is valid (this has happened before so6D there is a clear precedent).  Whatever the Supreme Court decides may
 well be moot.r    Jack PeacockM   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:59:29 GMT % From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)e= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)y0 Message-ID: <3a2bb52b.18164288@news.newsguy.com>  1 On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:57:23 -0800, "Jack Peacock"o <peacock@simconv.com> wrote:   VMS content at end...   B >popular vote count, it's happened three times before.  And if theC >Florida vote is left out, neither candidate will win the electoraloG >college, in which case the Constitution specifies the election will go F >to the House of Representatives (the newly elected one, as of JanuaryH >6th), who must select the winner from the top 5 candidates who received  F Correct for the President but according to CNN the Senate gets to pickC the Vice-President. As the new Senate is currently tied 50-50 (withe> Liebermann still a senator) until the 20th January the currentD Vice-President will have the tie-breaking vote. This means that GoreB could in theory appoint Liebermann or himself as Vice-President to Bush. Eeeekkk!  I >electoral votes (in this case only 2).  This happened in the election of(D >1804, there were three candidates none of whom won a majority.  TheD >House eventually declared Thomas Jefferson the winner.  If CongressG >cannot decide on a winner, then on January 20th, when Clinton and GoreIB >must leave, by law of succession the Speaker of the House, DennisE >Hasturt, becomes the president.  When Nixon resigned and Ford becamerF >President, the Speaker of the House, at that time Carl Albert, becameB >the defacto Vice-President until Nelson Rockefeller was sworn in. > H >And by the way, all this happens independently of the US Supreme Court.F >The power to elect the President is a Constitutional power granted toE >Congress (and state legislatures) alone; it is not a law the Supremei  C The information I have seen is that the Supreme Court can interpretdE the legal meaning of any Constitutional issue any way it pleases. Fory> example the death penalty was interpreted as cruel and unusualF punishment by one 'liberal' supreme court ruling and thus barred for aF number of years in the US until a less 'liberal' supreme court decidedA that there were ways of executing people that were not 'cruel and.B unusual'. A Supreme Court ruling once interpreted "equal" to allowF effective separation of the races. Then there's Roe vs Wade legalizingC abortion and the constant arguments about packing the Supreme Court F with anti-abortionists to overturn this. The Supreme Court sees itselfE as the ultimate guardian of Constitutional Democracy and all bets are-C off if it decides to make waves, No I'm not a US citizen but I have8E watched an unhealthy amount of coverage on CNN and others. I now knowoC that the percentage of undervotes recorded by Votomatic machines istC 1.5% in mainly Democrat counties but only 0.3% by the newer optical F machines in mainly Republican counties. I've even seen a rubber expertD testify that old votomatic machines stored in hot warehouses (soundsA like Florida) increase in hardness over time. Thus an old machinen> requires more force to kock out the chad than a new one. As anD outsider all I can say is that the US gets a lot of things right butB the situation in Florida wouldn't be tolerated in most third worldA countries. Someone has to sort this out for future elections, TheDB outside world is either laughing or shaking its head in disbelief.  F It seems that if the Supreme Court decides to interpret black as whiteA there is no further court of appeal. That's why it is the Supreme @ Court. The only option then is Civil War (hey it's happened once- already). This should be fun to watch on CNN.   E Howver what needs to happen now is for Compaq/OpenVMS to get togethereB with GTECH and bid in all States to run a computerised vote systemF along the lines of the lottery. Hey you could even have prize money to encourage people to vote.x   Hoff for president!J  G >Court can interpret or change, in much the same sense that the SupremeID >Court could not rule on the validity of impeachment charges againstE >Clinton a few years ago.  The Court, Congress, and the President ares  < At that stage they couldn't because the process had not beenC completed. As I understand it the Supreme Court could have ruled ontA the legal validity of the impeachment after the conclusion of the A process. Also I should point out that the impeachment process was C chaired by Renquist (SP?) the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court as D required by the Constitution to ensure the process followed the Law.  D >separate and equal branches of government, none can dictate how the >other two operate.- >   Jack Peacock  E I believe the often stated purpose of the framers of the Constitution7) was that they could stalemate each other,d   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 08:42:35 -0500@, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????+ Message-ID: <nHIJGeocpJgI@eisner.decus.org>v  g In article <3A285635.CAA1EEC2@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:>G > VAX 4000s and MicroVAX 3100s can be put into racks. I've done it. Not>  > sure exactly what an RX400 is. >  V  H IIRC an RX400 is a VAX 4000 like pedastal cabinet expansion chassis.  IfG you take the plastic shell off the cabinaet, the metal shell will fit a  standard 19" rack.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationr= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouprE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:39:21 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????H Message-ID: <OF3D2325D5.83224099-ON802569AB.004E4FA5@qedi.quintiles.com>  I Fabio (fabio underscore compaq at ep dashbc dot petrobras dot com dot br)  wrote:B >>>My problem with the two VAX 4000 , one Microvax 3100,  and  one  RX400 are:   B 1 - They are ocupping space in the data center; We are putting the(  new servers on the racks (Compaq racks)  E 2 - They are just Pathworks file server for a group of users. All thep? company is using WNT file serving, but these users dont want toh  change.... (???)   7 3 - What means the operators must backup them everyday.t  6 4 - When my manager agrees to stop the machines nobodyB except the file server users will notice, and they can just re-map  the \\server\share.  B  Today, Hoffman put me in my right place ! Forgive me people ! :-)K I will not make comments about loved legacy hardware and software !  :-)<<<n  I I'm not sure what purpose the smileys serve here, are they to make people > forgive you or to comment that the rest of the line is a joke?  I VAX 4000 systems usually shipped (IIRC) in either BA213, BA215 or similar K sized BA4xx cabinets.  These are not, as mentioned already, large cabinets.0J The disk cabinet (an R400X maybe?) is a DSSI expansiion cabinet IIRC which would indicate that :NB a) you may not be getting the best disk performance you could get;9 b) you may be paying more in maintenance than you'd like;oK c) you may be better trying to get a DSSI-to-SCSI disk controller and put aeJ few Storageworks shelves on your systems.  You should be able to configureI a set of RZ29B-VA disks in a BA350 shelf (with pedestal kit) and an HSD0501 for less than 1500 pounds GB or local equivalent.e  I What you need to ask your "troublesome" users is _why_ they don't want towH change from the present configuration with Pathworks servers.  It may beK that they need to move their code or data files between VMS systems and PCs0E on a frequent basis.  It may be that they don't perceive the NT based K solution to be as secure for their data as the Pathworks solution or it mayvF be some really obscure design criterion that's no longer valid anyway.  K The tape solution that you've got amy be worth looking at to see if you cantK upgrade it to something that's being used as a standard elsewhere (like DLTcH IIIs if they're being displaced on other servers by DLT IVs).  Then your6 maintenance cost on TK70 drives or similar may reduce.  K Perhaps it's worth remembering that IT departments exist to serve the userstK within the company and not the other way around.  If the company wish to doeK things in a specific way then the company needs to be able to carry on withsJ that.  One may suggest that maybe there's a better way and illustrate whatK that is, but if the company do not wish to take the alternative then nobody  should force them to.o  H It's also worth noting that although companies have a vision that VMS isG legacy (a vision which I completely disagree with I would add) and that K they don't want to invest anything in the platforms that they've got, a fewlE thousands of pounds in well considered improvements can pay dividendssG purely on the reduced maintenance cost.  To replace a set of DSSI disks-F with SCSI ones might only mean a modest increase in performance (or noA increase) but the maintenance cost reductions can be significant.y  G Besides, how many people does your site have to manage the VMS systems?oH How many for the WNT systems?  Is the ratio the same as the ratio of the% number of systems?  I would doubt it.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:17:38 -0300c) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????L Message-ID: <OF2E1C0581.DA3EC416-ON032569AB.0068B129@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Well  > The great question of "disconnecting" the VAX systems here is:  ' 1 - We dont have a  maintence contract;t  A 2 - We dont have systems / applications running in these systems;   ; 3 - We have 180 users connected to the scratch file server.-C Oh right ! It is a scratch file server. The others 6820 (+-)  userso% are connected to the WNT file server.h  H In fact we dont need these machines here....but the manager said to me:=    H Until these machines have a power supply working we dont  turn off them=   !!!!!j  H In fact in two years the company will be migrating all the systems unde= ra;  OpenVMS ( RDB+GEMBASE+COBOL) to a Sun E-10000 (or maybe  as# E-20000 until there )  running SAP.     H I work for a big company spreaded in all the country, and I know 23 OVM= SnH servers  (from north to south)  running RDB will be turned off when the=  SAP arrives.  H I manage two productions systems, only, with a big number os users onli= ne; (about 1000 per day) . And there are about 7 guys to manage C about 50 WNT servers. (in the datacenter and in the oil platforms).     H What can I say ? I am begining to study SAP/  Basis and I=B4ll refresh = my mind with Solaris 7 ! ! !     Regards    FC                1 steven.reece@QUINTILES.COM em 04/12/2000 12:39:21 H                                                                        =     =20pH                                                                        =     =20iH                                                                        =     =20e    @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: VMS and NT integration?????                    =20@                                                              =20           =1      H Fabio (fabio underscore compaq at ep dashbc dot petrobras dot com dot b= r) wrote:B >>>My problem with the two VAX 4000 , one Microvax 3100,  and  one  RX400 are:d  B 1 - They are ocupping space in the data center; We are putting the(  new servers on the racks (Compaq racks)  E 2 - They are just Pathworks file server for a group of users. All thei? company is using WNT file serving, but these users dont want toa  change.... (???)e  7 3 - What means the operators must backup them everyday.l  6 4 - When my manager agrees to stop the machines nobodyB except the file server users will notice, and they can just re-map  the \\server\share.  B  Today, Hoffman put me in my right place ! Forgive me people ! :-)H I will not make comments about loved legacy hardware and software !  :-= )<<<  H I'm not sure what purpose the smileys serve here, are they to make peop= le> forgive you or to comment that the rest of the line is a joke?  H VAX 4000 systems usually shipped (IIRC) in either BA213, BA215 or simil= arH sized BA4xx cabinets.  These are not, as mentioned already, large cabin= ets.H The disk cabinet (an R400X maybe?) is a DSSI expansiion cabinet IIRC wh= ich  would indicate that :wB a) you may not be getting the best disk performance you could get;9 b) you may be paying more in maintenance than you'd like;CH c) you may be better trying to get a DSSI-to-SCSI disk controller and p= ut aH few Storageworks shelves on your systems.  You should be able to config= urerH a set of RZ29B-VA disks in a BA350 shelf (with pedestal kit) and an HSD= 051 for less than 1500 pounds GB or local equivalent.   H What you need to ask your "troublesome" users is _why_ they don't want = toH change from the present configuration with Pathworks servers.  It may b= etH that they need to move their code or data files between VMS systems and=  PCsE on a frequent basis.  It may be that they don't perceive the NT basedtH solution to be as secure for their data as the Pathworks solution or it=  mayF be some really obscure design criterion that's no longer valid anyway.  H The tape solution that you've got amy be worth looking at to see if you=  canH upgrade it to something that's being used as a standard elsewhere (like=  DLTH IIIs if they're being displaced on other servers by DLT IVs).  Then you= rh6 maintenance cost on TK70 drives or similar may reduce.  H Perhaps it's worth remembering that IT departments exist to serve the u= sersH within the company and not the other way around.  If the company wish t= o doH things in a specific way then the company needs to be able to carry on = withH that.  One may suggest that maybe there's a better way and illustrate w= hathH that is, but if the company do not wish to take the alternative then no= body should force them to.c  H It's also worth noting that although companies have a vision that VMS i= seH legacy (a vision which I completely disagree with I would add) and that=  H they don't want to invest anything in the platforms that they've got, a=  fewE thousands of pounds in well considered improvements can pay dividendsJH purely on the reduced maintenance cost.  To replace a set of DSSI disks=  F with SCSI ones might only mean a modest increase in performance (or noA increase) but the maintenance cost reductions can be significant.d  H Besides, how many people does your site have to manage the VMS systems?=  H How many for the WNT systems?  Is the ratio the same as the ratio of th= es% number of systems?  I would doubt it.            =w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:40:22 -0600h From: fwheeler@csc.com$ Subject: VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date?9 Message-ID: <OFEBC84F85.263D898E-ON862569AB.005B2F9E@com>l   The VMS FAQ at the FTP sitet- ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/vmsaK is dated 29Nov1999. It seems like there should be a more recent copy there.i  > /Scott Wheeler * Computer Sciences Corporation * Fort Worth TX   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:17:15 -0500% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>a$ Subject: We need your 7820 systems !/ Message-ID: <t2nk28f1bvbc8c@corp.supernews.com>s  J We have a customer looking for 6 x VMS Systems with Licenses Open VMS 5.52     7820 complete per below or 512 MB KFMSAl DEMNAv     7810 512 MBp KFMSAe	 DEMNA andh SMP UPGRADE to 7820e   -- Island Computers US Corporations 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150c Savannah GA 31404- Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andSJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intendeds
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thiso message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingh of this message is prohibited.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:35:00 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>6 Subject: Re: Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs?+ Message-ID: <90g6i3$qr0@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   T "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote in messageB news:y4vgt42gyn.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...5 > "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:  >VJ > > If we did this then we would probably break a lot of software that wasI > > (yes I know they shouldn't but people do) relying on this text string 5 > > being there and the extracting the data after it.d >oL > I hear this argument pretty often. I rarely believe such software actuallyP > exists, and in this case I think it highly unlikely that is does, because this? > information is much more easily accessible in supported ways.n  G In this particular case, I have more sympathy with the view than usual,iC because the text is changed on Alpha. Not doing anything that mighteB break existing code seems reasonable on the VAX fork (if indeed it# hasn't changed in recent versions).p   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:44:15 GMTs1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>h6 Subject: Re: Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs?2 Message-ID: <3A2BD943.CA63DC6F@clarityconnect.com>  G The DSNLink article titled [OpenVMS] Where Does SHOW PROCESS/CONTINUOUSaF Get Its Information? will be very informative.  Here is the table from that article  A FIELD               $GETJPI Item Code          F$GETJPI Item Code'A -----             | -----------------        | ------------------a.                   |                          |6 PROCESS NAME      | JPI$_PRCNAM              |  PRCNAM.                   |                          |4 STATE             | JPI$_STATE               | STATE.                   |                          |< CUR/BASE PRIORITY | current = JPI$_PRI       | current = PRI=                   | base    = JPI$_PRIB      | base    = PRIBf.                   |                          |< CURRENT PC        | not available            | not available.                   |                          |< CURRENT PSL       | not available            | not available.                   |                          |< CURRENT USER SP   | not available            | not available.                   |                          |2 PID               | JPI$_PID                 | PID.                   |                          |= UIC (group,member)| group  = JPI$_GRP        | group  = "GRP" =                   | member = JPI$_MEM        | member = "MEM" .                   |                          |7 IMAGE NAME        | JPI$_IMAGNAME            | IMAGNAMEh. (Note 1)          |                          |.                   |                          |> WORKING SET       | JPI$_PPGCNT + JPI$_GPGCNT| PPGCNT + GPGCNT. (Note 2)          |                          |.                   |                          |E VIRTUAL PAGES     | ((JPI$_FREP0VA+^X80000000| ((FREP0VA + ^X80000000eC (Note 3)          |  - JPI$_FREP1VA)/pgsize) |   - FREP1VA)/pgsize)p.                   |                          |5 CPU TIME          | JPI$_CPUTIM              | CPUTIMv. (Note 4)          |                          |.                   |                          |5 DIRECT I/O        | JPI$_DIOCNT              | DIOCNTt.                   |                          |5 BUFFERED I/O      | JPI$_BIOCNT              | BIOCNTp.                   |                          |7 PAGE FAULTS       | JPI$_PAGEFLTS            | PAGEFLTSa.                   |                          |: EVENT FLAGS       | 0-31,  JPI$_EFSC         | 0-31,  EFCS:                   | 32-63, JPI$_EFCU         | 32-63, EFCU     "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > D > Please do not reply to the deja address; it is broken. Post or use > addresses given at the end.c > - > In article <eTRipaQGcRUN@eisner.decus.org>,u" >   briggs@eisner.decus.org wrote:I > > In article <905ov6$2ne$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-w > deja.com> writes:aH > > > Or were used and might be used again! Cool. So does this mean thatF > > > pages on the free list that previously belonged to a process are > alsoF > > > part of that process's virtual memory space? I guess so! (Please > > > correct me if I'm wrong.)g > >  > > Well, yes and no.V > >dJ > > Virtual memory is virtual.  It isn't real.  You can't point to any oneC > > real thing that say "this is part of my virtual address space".o > >eI > > You can say:  "Address %x7ffe0200 is within my virtual address space"s > >eI > > This would mean that (assuming VAX hardware) that your P1LR (P1 spaceaC > > length register) indicated that 7ffE0200 has a page table entryp > > in your page table.n > >t > >[...more examples omitted]n > H > Okay, but getting back to the original question, What then, pray tell,E > are the criteria for a page to be counted in "Virtual pages" in VMStH > statistics displays (SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUTING, SHOW PROCESS/CONTINUOUS)?I > Or perhaps I should ask, in a more general form, How does VMS calculate-  > the number of "Virtual pages"? > H > Also, do you agree that "page file size", which is used in LOGOUT/FULLH > and ACC/FULL, is the same as "virtual size", which is used by the SHOWG > PROC/ACC and SHOW PROC/CONT commands? My examples would lend credences
 > to that. >  > TIAo > --H > NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItG > is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the longe > wrong part first. Thanks.s >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman  &-)- > w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.coml7 > h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.coms > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.s   -- aD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.677 ************************