1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 05 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 678       Contents:. Re: %DEBUG-E-NOFREE, no free storage available( =?iso-8859-1?Q?Limiting_user=B4s_login?=. Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drives. Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drives. Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drives? Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port ? Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port ; Re: Compaq Secure Web Server for OpenVMS - access violation 2 RE: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict?2 RE: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict? Re: educational licenses5 Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!! 5 RE: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!! 5 Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!! 5 Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!! 5 Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!! ! My interpretation of CSC response   Re: Possible shared SCSI problem3 Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state??? 3 Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state??? 3 Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state??? 3 Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???  RE: Stopping DecNet / The US Constitution --- miscellanious www sites I Re: Trouble with isacfg on AXPpci33 (noname) and DE205 (isa network card)  Re: Two hosts sharing RA system  Re: US Constitution  Re: US Constitution  Re: US Constitution  Re: US Constitution 4 Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections) Re: VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date?  Zip Help!!!  Re: Zip Help!!!  Re: Zip Help!!! ) Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 21:34:01 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: %DEBUG-E-NOFREE, no free storage available 5 Message-ID: <90h2k9$dl$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   V In article <3A2944CC.3C1EF2CF@mmaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:F :Anyone know what this really means?  The error messages imply that itD :has to do with patching, and I know that the VMS debugger does some@ :creative image activation, but there is no clue to the cause or :work-around...   A   The error text you are looking at is for PATCH, and arises when 0   PATCH returns its version of the NOFREE error.  B   Try increasing your virtual memory setting (assuming this is not@   OpenVMS Alpha V7 or later) and/or your process pagefile quota.?   Depending on how far you get into the program execution, this "   could also be a corrupted stack.   	--   A   I'll ask that the discussion over in Ask The Wizard be removed. D   (Based on other information on this problem -- this is OpenVMS VAXE   V7.2 and the debugger does not appear to get as far as the debugger E   prompt -- this problem would initially appear to be related to the  :   virtual address space that is available to the process.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 03:18:41 -0200 1 From: "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> 1 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Limiting_user=B4s_login?= 5 Message-ID: <004a01c05e7a$d58729c0$8cf2bfc8@valdemir>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C05E6A.11242660  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   F I=B4m needing limit user=B4s login to only one login by time. example:   username: test password:xxxxxxxx    welcome to alpha1....    alpha1>  set host 0    username: test password: xxxxxxxx  , you don=B4t have permission to login again !   control returned to alpha1 alpha1>   2  Is there any Authorize=B4s flag to enable this  ?  + ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C05E6A.11242660  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =  http-equiv=3DContent-Type>9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I=B4m needing limit user=B4s login to = only one login by=20 time. example:</FONT></DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> < <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>username: test</FONT></DIV>? <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>password:xxxxxxxx</FONT></DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> C <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>welcome to alpha1....</FONT></DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> < <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>alpha1&gt; &nbsp;set host = 0</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> < <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>username: test</FONT></DIV>@ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>password: xxxxxxxx</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> G <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you don=B4t have permission to login =  again=20 !</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>control returned to alpha1</FONT></DIV>8 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>alpha1&gt;</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;Is there any Authorize=B4s flag = to enable=20' this&nbsp; ?</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   - ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C05E6A.11242660--    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 15:15:25 -0500 1 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) 7 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drives + Message-ID: <2t0GGEcJGZeJ@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <86d7faox9w.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>, Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com> writes:A > 	I'm trying to find what's the size limit for disk drives on an F > AlphaStation 255/300 with VMS 7.2. I currently have two 4 GB drives,@ > both of which have been spinning for entirely too long and are. > starting to log too many errors for comfort. > @ > 	This is a hobby system, so buying genuine RZ series is out ofH > the question. And finding "small" 4GB drives locally has been a trying > adventure... > / > 	No shortage of 15GB and above drives though.  > B > 	Any idea if these would work on this beast? I BTFW (browsed the> > fine website) at Compaq but didn't find anything relevant...  J Big drives aren't a problem. I've got assorted JBOD and RAID devices up to 54 GB presently on VMS 7.2.   K I couldn't find this in the SPD as I expected to. I did find a reference in H a DSIN article to a limit of 255 tracks * 255 sectors * 65535 cylinders,J which translates to just over 2 TB for a disk. I haven't gone that far, at least not yet :-)    Bob    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 23:40:51 GMT # From: Evan <mulcaste@cadvision.com> 7 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drives 4 Message-ID: <3A2C2BAF.320BE09A@nospam.cadvision.com>  J I have 2 - 9G Seagate full heights (ST410800N) in a BA42 storage expansionJ box that work fine with OVMS 7.1-2 running on an AlphaStation 200.  BoughtK the expansion box ($25) and drives (approx $50 per) on eBay & assembled the I pieces. Cheap enough & works great. There are 22G drives of the same type 8 available from time to time that go for about $100. YMMV   Evan   Javier Henderson wrote:   H >         I'm trying to find what's the size limit for disk drives on anF > AlphaStation 255/300 with VMS 7.2. I currently have two 4 GB drives,@ > both of which have been spinning for entirely too long and are. > starting to log too many errors for comfort. > G >         This is a hobby system, so buying genuine RZ series is out of H > the question. And finding "small" 4GB drives locally has been a trying > adventure... > 6 >         No shortage of 15GB and above drives though. > I >         Any idea if these would work on this beast? I BTFW (browsed the > > fine website) at Compaq but didn't find anything relevant... >  > -jav   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 23:38:23 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drives 6 Message-ID: <90h9tf$1kf$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  X In article <86d7faox9w.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>, Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com> writes:@ :	I'm trying to find what's the size limit for disk drives on anE :AlphaStation 255/300 with VMS 7.2. I currently have two 4 GB drives, ? :both of which have been spinning for entirely too long and are - :starting to log too many errors for comfort.   L   The OpenVMS maximum disk size limit is circa 1 TB, as per the information    in the OpenVMS FAQ.   L   Since SCSI itself is more a standard collection of optionally-implemented L   features than it is a standard, it is impossible to say if any particular G   SCSI widget will work.  Some will, some will not.  Worse, a few SCSI  K   devices might appear to work and will later fail under load or will fail  I   under some odd sequence of SCSI commands, or will fail and lock up the  L   bus.  (My experience testing SCSI configurations over the years has shown +   some really creative failure modes, too.)   L   SCSI-3 updates went into V7.1-2 and later and into an ECO for V6.2 -- due L   to a limitation in the mode page field for the disk size, the SCSI-2 spec K   does not permit disks over a particular capacity (circa 16 GB, 16777215?, J   IIRC) though some vendors did find creative ways to avoid this.  One of K   the most common: recent OpenVMS releases now have SCSI drivers that zero  L   the medium type byte and assume it to be the part of the disk size field, J   even though the field is not part of the disk size field per the SCSI-2 I   specifications.  SCSI-3 uses a longword for the disk size field, rather H   than the existing 2 (or sometimes 3) bytes in earlier implementations.  J   Once you get over the basic hurdle of "it works", the next problem with L   these larger disks will be cooling -- I would not assume that larger (and J   particularly hotter) disks will work within the AlphaStation 255 series I   enclosure nor in any enclosure that lacks sufficient cooling for these  H   (hotter) disks.  The typical failure mode reported by folks that have H   tried, um, cooking their disks will be correct operation followed (at 8   some time later) by increasing numbers of disk errors.  A :	Any idea if these would work on this beast? I BTFW (browsed the = :fine website) at Compaq but didn't find anything relevant...   L   Please take a look at discussions in the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard area such <   as 4467, 4409, and 2048.  There are probably a few others.  K   That said, the only widgets that are officially supported are those that  H   were tested (successfully) with the particular hardware configuration.I   These are obviously also the configurations that tend to be documented.   K   If you can figure out how to explain this more simply -- well, explain it M   better than the simplistic "try it and see" :-) -- then please let me know  L   and I will add the text to the FAQ...  I'll see if I can come up with someD   text based on the various previous "try it and see" discussions...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 04:57:21 +10004 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>H Subject: Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port6 Message-ID: <90gpb5$s4f$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  E > Setting the server to listen on an alternate port is easy.  However H > the question was how to set the client to send queries to an alternate > port.   0 The resolver hard codes the port number for now.   Matt.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 20:05:53 +0100 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)H Subject: Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port* Message-ID: <3a2beb11$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  m In article <90gpb5$s4f$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> writes: F >> Setting the server to listen on an alternate port is easy.  HoweverI >> the question was how to set the client to send queries to an alternate  >> port. > 1 >The resolver hard codes the port number for now.   
 Thanks, Matt.    How about a change for ECO 2 ?   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 23:24:48 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>D Subject: Re: Compaq Secure Web Server for OpenVMS - access violation+ Message-ID: <VA.000001b7.00d59631@sture.ch>   G In article <90giqd$r6b$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Gaitan D'Antoni   wrote:5 > From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms F > Subject: Re: Compaq Secure Web Server for OpenVMS - access violation& > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:04:30 -0500 > ! > Paul Sture wrote in message ...  > >Problem Report  > >  > >This on Alpha VMS V7.2-1H1. > > H > >1. After installing the CSWS PCSI kit dated 28-SEP-2000 12:03:41, andE > >configuring it according to the Release Notes, running the startup ? > >shows that a process is created, but this process disappears  > >immediately.  > > J > >According to the Accounting utility, the final status code os 10000024,D > >text %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, isufficient privilege or object protection
 > >violation.  > > G > >But Analyze/Audit shows no file access violations; only a successful J > >READ,WRITE access of SYSUAF by that process. I do have the audit set toI > >report all file access violations, which leads me to believe that CSWS & > >itself is setting this exit status. > < > Check APACHE$ROOT:[LOGS]ERROR_LOG. for any error messages. >   1 Will do again, but I'm sure I've already looked.   L > If you're auditing file access violations you may not be seeing all NOPRIV- > errors. I believe you can audit privileges.  > & A brief peek at the help gives hope... ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:35:34 -0600 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> ; Subject: RE: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict? N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284A93@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Bob,  K If using TCPIP v5.x, try entering the following on the server with TCPIP on 3 it (not sure what the equivalent UCX command is ..)    TCPIP> set prot tcp /nodelay  J For decnet, poor PC-VAX/Alpha server performance can be caused by improperF PIPELINE QUOTA issues. Default I believe is 4032. Try different values8 higher and lower, but make sure to change at both ends..   Mcr ncp . ncp> set exec pipeline xxxx (volatile setting)2 ncp> define exec pipeline xxxx (permanent setting)  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----8 From: herbertk@my-deja.com [mailto:herbertk@my-deja.com]  Sent: November 28, 2000 12:29 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 Subject: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict?     = There are 2 Pc's in our office connected to the same network. @ One has TCP/IP on it, and that's it: A clean PC. It can transferA data at about 15Mb/min to a Vax with UCX on, and about 50M/min to " a Unix box. These speeds are fine.E Another PC has had Pathworks V7.1A installed. When we try to transfer E data from this to the UCX-Vax, or another Vax with only decnet on it, 2 the rate is pathetically slow, if it works at all.  A We have tried all the obvious things, tune the vax, switch browse B master off etc, but it seems to come down to these PC's (Compaq's)= just not liking Pathworks, or having it conflict with TCP/IP.   ( Sometimes the PC's just hang altogether.  B Before we go the next step and remove pathworks, and perhaps  alsoA replace the Vaxes with Unix boxes, does anyone have any idea what " is causing Decnet to be so sloW???   Thanks   Bob.  & nospam@bdmfiles@bemroseit.co.uk@nospam    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:10:48 -0600t+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>l; Subject: RE: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict?iN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284A99@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>  : Oops .. notes collision with Alan's more detailed reply ..   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantd Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660d Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message----- From: Main, Kerry  Sent: December 4, 2000 2:36 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc; Subject: RE: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict?N     Bob,  K If using TCPIP v5.x, try entering the following on the server with TCPIP on 3 it (not sure what the equivalent UCX command is ..)e   TCPIP> set prot tcp /nodelay  J For decnet, poor PC-VAX/Alpha server performance can be caused by improperF PIPELINE QUOTA issues. Default I believe is 4032. Try different values8 higher and lower, but make sure to change at both ends..   Mcr ncpg. ncp> set exec pipeline xxxx (volatile setting)2 ncp> define exec pipeline xxxx (permanent setting)  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660i Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----8 From: herbertk@my-deja.com [mailto:herbertk@my-deja.com]  Sent: November 28, 2000 12:29 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt7 Subject: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict?i    = There are 2 Pc's in our office connected to the same network.!@ One has TCP/IP on it, and that's it: A clean PC. It can transferA data at about 15Mb/min to a Vax with UCX on, and about 50M/min to-" a Unix box. These speeds are fine.E Another PC has had Pathworks V7.1A installed. When we try to transferEE data from this to the UCX-Vax, or another Vax with only decnet on it,i2 the rate is pathetically slow, if it works at all.  A We have tried all the obvious things, tune the vax, switch browsenB master off etc, but it seems to come down to these PC's (Compaq's)= just not liking Pathworks, or having it conflict with TCP/IP.o  ( Sometimes the PC's just hang altogether.  B Before we go the next step and remove pathworks, and perhaps  alsoA replace the Vaxes with Unix boxes, does anyone have any idea whats" is causing Decnet to be so sloW???   Thanks   Bob.  & nospam@bdmfiles@bemroseit.co.uk@nospam    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:17:25 +1030A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>s! Subject: Re: educational licensesv1 Message-ID: <JOXW5.1082$Vu1.23779@ozemail.com.au>   ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageg0 news:8uuqri$ea1$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >wD > In article <8urhbh$3bm$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: >eH >   re: Discussion of the release of free single-user OpenVMS license vs the-@ >       (desired) release of free multi-user OpenVMS licenses -- licenses for! >       use at educational sites.-  C Would you be kind enough to point me at some info about this.  I've"5 obviously missed this thread as I've not heard of it.i   Cheers  
 Geoff Robertsg Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,  South Australiae6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Dec 2000 04:13:39 +0800/ From: Paul Repacholi <prep@k9.prep.synonet.com>r> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!0 Message-ID: <87ofysaqrw.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  2 sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes:    R > 2) For WORLDWIDE anyplace on the EARTH (we don't do extra-planetary orders yet)   & So what do the Space Station folks do?   ~pault   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:14:13 -0600h+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>r> Subject: RE: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284A9A@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   re:-  . >>> So what do the Space Station folks do? <<<   Order the Galaxy version??   :-)G  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantE Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesf Voice: 613-592-4660I Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----6 From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@k9.prep.synonet.com] Sent: December 4, 2000 3:14 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!    2 sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes:    L > 2) For WORLDWIDE anyplace on the EARTH (we don't do extra-planetary orders yet) =  & So what do the Space Station folks do?   ~paulc   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 23:01:32 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!6 Message-ID: <90h7oc$1bn$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  b In article <87ofysaqrw.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@k9.prep.synonet.com> writes:3 :sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes:p :DG :> 2) For WORLDWIDE anyplace on the EARTH (we don't do extra-planetary l :>    orders yet)  :s' :So what do the Space Station folks do?-  H   ISS uses the equivalent of a US Military FPO or APO address somewhere G   where we CAN ship to, I assume -- probably either at KSC or Baikonur.a  F   OpenVMS Engineering can certainly discuss an on-site customer visit    to ISS, if requested.  @     But I digress...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 20:04:19 -0500 1 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) > Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!+ Message-ID: <PPCtd6BDBWfu@eisner.decus.org>e  k In article <90h7oc$1bn$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: H >   OpenVMS Engineering can certainly discuss an on-site customer visit  >   to ISS, if requested.  ?  ; Not until you get back from your trip to Chicago this week.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:10:06 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!- Message-ID: <3A2C4E7E.41B87A13@earthlink.net>a   Hoff Hoffman wrote:3 > d > In article <87ofysaqrw.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@k9.prep.synonet.com> writes:5 > :sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes:o > : H > :> 2) For WORLDWIDE anyplace on the EARTH (we don't do extra-planetary > :>    orders yet)  > :a) > :So what do the Space Station folks do?B > I >   ISS uses the equivalent of a US Military FPO or APO address somewhere I >   where we CAN ship to, I assume -- probably either at KSC or Baikonur.A > G >   OpenVMS Engineering can certainly discuss an on-site customer visit  >   to ISS, if requested.i >  >   But I digress...  H Mark and I are still trying to get Al Pillarelli to come out to Chicago. ISS may be a bit extreme.V  @ ...and I've already been chided here for using extreme examples.   --   David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:26:12 -0500. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>* Subject: My interpretation of CSC response+ Message-ID: <90guie$eaa$1@bob.news.rcn.net>-   Hello --  I Just some clarification (hopefully).  The following FORTRAN code from CSCo reproduces the problem;aB however, if you change the JPI$_RIGHTS_SIZE to something else, say JPI$_ASTEN, themL problem also goes away, even if you leave in the JPI$M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP.  If youkE remove the JPI$M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP and leave the JPI$_RIGHTS_SIZE, ther problemnI also goes away, so if you can modify your 'idle process killer' to ignoreb JPI$_RIGHTS_SIZE,e I think you will be all set.   Ken Randells   C       $ ! TEST.FOR C       $ FORTRAN TEST C       $ LINK TEST  C       $ RUN TEST Ca#         Program         Getjpi_Testt         Implicit        None  #         Include         '($Jpidef)' "         Include         '($Ssdef)'&         Include         '($SysSrvNam)'  @         Integer*4       Getjpi_Control_Flags, Process_ID, Status1         Integer*4       Rights_Size, Image_Length   !         Character       Image*256d  #         Structure       /Item_List/d          Union
           Mapw0            Integer*2    Buffer_Length, Item_Code=            Integer*4    Buffer_Address, Return_Length_Addressr           End Mapu
           Map              Integer*4    End_List           End Mapn          End Union         End Structureo  1         Record  /Item_List/             Getjpi(4)2  5         Getjpi_Control_Flags = JPI$M_NO_TARGET_INSWAPy<         Getjpi(1).Buffer_Length=sizeof(Getjpi_Control_Flags)5         Getjpi(1).Item_Code=JPI$_GETJPI_CONTROL_FLAGSm;         Getjpi(1).Buffer_Address=%loc(Getjpi_Control_Flags) )         Getjpi(1).Return_Length_Address=0e  -         Getjpi(2).Buffer_Length=sizeof(Image) )         Getjpi(2).Item_Code=JPI$_IMAGNAMEd,         Getjpi(2).Buffer_Address=%Loc(Image):         Getjpi(2).Return_Length_Address=%Loc(Image_Length)  3         Getjpi(3).Buffer_Length=sizeof(Rights_Size)i,         Getjpi(3).Item_Code=JPI$_RIGHTS_SIZE2         Getjpi(3).Buffer_Address=%Loc(Rights_Size))         Getjpi(3).Return_Length_Address=0e           Getjpi(4).End_List=0  1          Process_ID=-1                  !Wildcard5            Status=Ss$_Normal  -          Do While(Status .NE. Ss$_NoMoreProc)e6           Status=Sys$Getjpiw(, Process_ID,, Getjpi,,,)9           If(Status .EQ. Ss$_NoMoreProc)Then    !All donel             Goto 300           EndIf   7           If(.NOT. Status)Call Lib$Signal(%Val(Status))	6           PRINT 200, Process_ID, Image(1:Image_Length)  3 200       FORMAT (' PID=', Z8, ', image="', A, '"')h 300      EndDo         Endt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:38:14 -05006& From: Donald G Plugge <plugge@usa.net>) Subject: Re: Possible shared SCSI problemt' Message-ID: <3A2C2ADA.60CDE58F@usa.net>    Uwe Zessin wrote:   ? > In article <3A27FEC2.A23ABB2B@usa.net>, plugge@usa.net wrote:  > >b > > Uwe Zessin wrote:u# > >                             ---  > $ > I have some questions - you wrote:  > > For instance, I can issue a: > >  > > $ show dev d >i; > Is this really from the DCL level or from console (>>>) ? A > Does the error count increase on disks at the shared bus and/oro% > do you get any mount-verifications?s  I Yes, the command is from DCL.  I issue the command and the output delays,lH even on a newly booted system with no users and little disk activity.  IH incorporated "port allocation" settings to match yours (I do realize I'mD not forced into any of this -- but thanks for the disclaimer and theK help).  I also checked the SCSI bus ID's on each system.  I doubt it is the E arbitation problem for the simple reason that it occurs on a non-busy.H system even if the other shared-node is down.  None of these suggestions have cured the delay problem.   J I don't actually have a naming conflict with either my SCSI or IDE drives.I With my original setup the non-shared drives where prefixed with the node I name (ie NODE1$DQA0:) and the shared drives had a unique allocation classE used only by the two systems.t  H As I mentioned, I'm up-to-date on the various patches including SCSI andA UPDATE patches.  To answer your questions -- no I don't see mountmK verifications or error counts on either drive.  I can mount, read and writer6 to the drives.  However, there is that dreadful delay.   Still Puzzled...   >s >t > -- > Uwe Zessin >e( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:45:25 +1100/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>.< Subject: Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???0 Message-ID: <RdUW5.972$Vu1.20546@ozemail.com.au>  < Bob Kaplow <kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars> wrote in message% news:4mEzn5pcBFAW@eisner.decus.org...sK > Lately I've been having user sessions hang around instead of go away when L > they either log out, or just close their KEAterm window or shut down theirL > PC. The interesting thing I've noticed is that their TNA ports are left in at > state I've not seen before:. >. > $ sho dev tnaa >'0 > Device                  Device           Error0 >  Name                   Status           Count0 > TNA0:                   Offline              00 > TNA507:                 Offline mounted      00 > TNA621:                 Offline mounted      00 > TNA1003:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA1588:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2013:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2040:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2046:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2049:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2055:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2074:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2088:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2160:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2225:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2401:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2483:                Offline mounted      00 > TNA2664:                Offline mounted      0 > ...  >s > $ sho dev tna6004/ful  > K > Terminal TNA6004:, device type VT300 Series, is OFFLINE, MOUNTED, record-gC >     oriented device, carriage control.          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  >e> >     Error count                    0    Operations completed 149o3 >     Owner process         "somebody"    Owner UICp [someone,somebody]2 >     Owner process ID        20A15A01    Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,Wo= >     Reference count                4    Default buffer size@ 80 >cE > This seems to have started about 2 months ago, and I can't think ofs anythingL > I've changed on the VMS host that might be responsible for this. I've seenL > it on at least 3 different systems in 2 different locations, with users at 3oL > different sites; although it happens mostly on our production system where I * > currently have 61 such "hung" processes. >eJ > I've tried to reproduce it myself be not logging out and just closing myI > KEAterm window, as too many of our users are known to do, but when I don that > my process goes away cleanly.e >xJ > Any ideas why the TNA devices are going into this state? Any idea what I can A > do to make VMS recognize this and either leave the session in a  DISCONNECTEDI > state, where it will eventually time out and vanish, or just make it goi away > immediately? >e% > Alpha AS2100, AS8200, GS140(AS8400)d > VMS V7.2 TCPIP V5.0r( > KEA! 420 for Windoz V4.22i (build 359) > 3 >     TTY_ALTYPAHD        = 2064          ! for LATiG >     TTY_DEFCHAR2        = 135170        ! autobaud|editing|disconnect  > / > all other TTY_* parameters are default valuesa >rD I think the upgrade for ucx/tcpip v5.0 to v5.0a fixed telnet related	 problems.x Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 16:57:16 -0500 1 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)-< Subject: Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???+ Message-ID: <fvwtVsrRrFj1@eisner.decus.org>   b In article <RdUW5.972$Vu1.20546@ozemail.com.au>, "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> writes:F > I think the upgrade for ucx/tcpip v5.0 to v5.0a fixed telnet related > problems.P > Phil  I Are you saying this is a known TCPIP V5.0 problem? We had NO problems forvF about 18months, then the past coupe months it's poped up on at least 3( systems. Or is this just a stock answer?   	Bob Kaplow	   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:11:41 -0500v- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>y< Subject: Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???( Message-ID: <3A2C169A.18A69ED9@ohio.edu>  e Based on prior traffic in comp.os.vms, not my own experience, there is definitely a TELNET problem in7_ V5.0 that is fixed in 5.0A.  I cannot say whether that problem is the one you are experiencing.o                   RDP      Bob Kaplow wrote:   d > In article <RdUW5.972$Vu1.20546@ozemail.com.au>, "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> writes:H > > I think the upgrade for ucx/tcpip v5.0 to v5.0a fixed telnet related
 > > problems.t > > Phil > K > Are you saying this is a known TCPIP V5.0 problem? We had NO problems for/H > about 18months, then the past coupe months it's poped up on at least 3* > systems. Or is this just a stock answer? >o >         Bob Kaplow   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:06:54 +1100/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>n< Subject: Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???1 Message-ID: <33YW5.1090$Vu1.23713@ozemail.com.au>i  < Bob Kaplow <kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars> wrote in message% news:fvwtVsrRrFj1@eisner.decus.org... @ > In article <RdUW5.972$Vu1.20546@ozemail.com.au>, "Phil Howell"# <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> writes:oH > > I think the upgrade for ucx/tcpip v5.0 to v5.0a fixed telnet related
 > > problems.a > > Phil >tK > Are you saying this is a known TCPIP V5.0 problem? We had NO problems for H > about 18months, then the past coupe months it's poped up on at least 3* > systems. Or is this just a stock answer? >n > Bob KaplowG I don't know if your problem and the tcpip problem are the same problem . there was a problem with ucx/tcpip version 5.0> the problem caused high cpu usage when running telnet sessions this problem was fixed in 5.0aI since your problem also shows up in telnet sessions I thought they may bek relatediI if you were to follow this up with compaq support they would probably get  you to upgrade to 5.0aI this is not a stock answer, this is a free answer, stock answers are $100e each Phil   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:21:36 +0100% From: Kees Bakker <BakkerC@vertis.nl>o Subject: RE: Stopping DecNetG Message-ID: <938F7F15145BD311AECE00508B7152DB022E42FC@vts007.vertis.nl>    MC NCP SET EXEC STATE OFF5   Kees   -----Original Message-----F From: sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org [mailto:sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org]' Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 16:33i To: comp.os.vms@list.deja.como Subject: Stopping DecNet    "  Message from the Deja.com forum:   comp.os.vms6  Your subscription is set to individual email delivery+  This message was sent to bakkerc@vertis.nlH  Deja.com: Best way to buy a PCs2  http://www.deja.com/channels/channel.xp?CID=13031  F Quick question.  We have DecNet Phase IV running on a OpenVMS VAX V7.1& I know to start it you run Startnet.    @ Is there anyway to shutdown DecNet without rebooting the server?     Thanks   Shawnb        >  _____________________________________________________________  Deja.com: Before you buy.  http://www.deja.com/l/  * To modify or remove your subscription, go to 2  http://www.deja.com/edit_sub.xp?group=comp.os.vms  * Read this thread atE  http://www.deja.com/thread/%3C3a2672d2.1415034%40news.starnet.net%3Ei    '  Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/E  Before you buy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 23:52:35 +0000o From: gryb <gryb>.8 Subject: The US Constitution --- miscellanious www sites8 Message-ID: <chbo2tg5mltk1f7r6it3jgvnbhd6c7gv9u@4ax.com>  / The US Constitution --- miscellanious www sites ? _______________________________________________________________0        7 http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/senate/constitution/     7 http://www.alaska.net/~winter/13th_amendment_dodge.html!    " http://www.constitutioncenter.org/     http://www.constitution.org/    ? http://www.dtic.mil/armylink/news/Sep1996/a19960920constit.htmlr    & http://www.freedomsring.com/const.html    D http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/9061/USA/colonial/bef1700.html    7 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/9061/USA/usa.htmlq    s http://www.historychannel.com/cgi-bin/frameit.cgi?p=http%3A//www.historychannel.com/perl/print_book.pl%3FID%3D35330     3 http://www.law.emory.edu/FEDERAL/conpict.html#const      http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/*    / http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/bdsds/bdsdhome.htmli    = http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/constitution/confath.htmlr    = http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/constitution/conmain.html?    B http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/constitution/constitution.html     http://www.nccs.net/    . http://www.sms.org/mdl-indx/polybius/intro.htm    + http://www.thirdamendment.com/nobility.htmls     http://www.usconstitution.org/    - http://www.visi.com/~ehopper/ammendments.htmlp    . http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/constpap.htm    ! http://tcnbp.tripod.com/index.htmo    : __________________________________________________________   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:26:37 -0500& From: "Mike Burch" <mgburch@smart.net>R Subject: Re: Trouble with isacfg on AXPpci33 (noname) and DE205 (isa network card)/ Message-ID: <t2onts47f2cp01@corp.supernews.com>a  4 OK, Thanks!  Will try it first thing in the morning. Regards, Mike  2 Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> wrote in message& news:90fslf$62l$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi...' > Mike Burch <mgburch@smart.net> wrote:-& > > The srm tells me there is no room.B > > Both 'add_de205' and 'isacfg ... -mk ...' give the same error. >-J > I guess your ISA table area is not in tact. >>> isacfg -init  will resetK > it. Does not delete permanent devices: keyboard, mouse, com1, com2, lpt1,OJ > and floppy. Parameter -init was missing from earlier versions of manual." > Version EK-AXPCI-DG. C01 has it. >n	 > regards. >           Osmo Kujala  >t >  >  >p   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:18:22 +01000 From: "Taki Pioy" <nospam@localhost.spamwarn.zz>( Subject: Re: Two hosts sharing RA system2 Message-ID: <qFVW5.206$r42.93@nntpserver.swip.net>  - <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote in messageeB news:OF9957858B.C954E654-ON802569AB.004CEF8F@qedi.quintiles.com... >rL > I think I'd agree with the sentiments which David expressed - the issue isJ > safety of those data which are on the disks.  I suspect that a situationJ > not dissimmilar to a partitioned cluster would arise - i.e. really rapid > data corruption.  F Well, I certainly agree too. Putting the data at risk is of course not an option...  K > If you need to share the disks then cluster the systems and/or use any of  asK > variety of techniques and tools to serve the disks from one system to theCL > other.  Don't try to put shared SCSI disks between un-clustered systems as5 > they each won't know when the other one is playing.i > Steve.  F Well, I was perhaps not so obvious about this point. (Please, read theE last question of my first post again). The goal is more like what youtE mention below (I think), a "shared disk-farm". Disks/arrays in the RAe@ storage system are not to be shared (used simultaneously). Thus,G sharing the (sub-)system, but not its internal devices. I would like topC find ways to secure the environment against "mistakes" (HSZ70 seemsp@ to have built-in safeguards, but, unfortunately, not the HSZ50).  G For access to "the other" system's data/disks, I will probably use FTP.a  J > p.s. Shared SCSI is great for systems that want a shared disk-farm.  I'mL > using some on my present production systems.  The only problem is that you7 > can't do the same with tapes due to bus-reset issues.n >p  7 What kind of hardware does these systems use and share?s& No RA450/HSZ50 in there somewhere? :-)   Regardsh /Fad   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:49:02 GMTe# From: andekl@saaf.se (Anders Eklof)Z Subject: Re: US Constitution2 Message-ID: <1el4rii.hccwn8mel5b0N%andekl@saaf.se>  & Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote:  C > As an outsider all I can say is that the US gets a lot of things hB > right but the situation in Florida wouldn't be tolerated in most > third world countries.  A Not to talk of Europe... I'm not sure, but I think most (western) @ European countries have a system like the one we have in Sweden.A There are no voting machines - the ballots are printed according mA to a standard on behalf of the parties nominating the candidates  . (I know this point differs thoughout Europe). > All votes are counted manually by volunteers on election day, + then checked by officials a few days later.   C And not the least - all votes are counted, and there are very clear A rules which votes are valid or not, with regards to markings &c.  6 The infamous boxes in Tallahassee tell another story..  @ > Someone has to sort this out for future elections, The outside< > world is either laughing or shaking its head in disbelief.  B This adds to the impression of the world's largest (or greastest?)G democracy consistently has a participation under - or just barely abovea< 50 % - in elections, while most other countries have 70-80%.@ And then they have the boldness to "teach" other countries (e.g.3 Nicaragua and El Salvador) democracy from gunpoint.%   -- jD * Anders Eklf        * Phone: + 46 8581 74712  * "I blame you for *D * Glimmerstigen 46    * e-mail: ae@radfys.ks.se * the moonlit sky" *D * S-196 33 KUNGSNGEN *     or  andekl@saaf.se  *       ----       *D * SWEDEN              *                         *   Tasmin Archer  *   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 14:06:21 -0500P* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: US Constitution+ Message-ID: <xnj+eWSJoqjX@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <1el4rii.hccwn8mel5b0N%andekl@saaf.se>, andekl@saaf.se (Anders Eklof) writes:( > Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote: > A >> Someone has to sort this out for future elections, The outsidej= >> world is either laughing or shaking its head in disbelief.n > D > This adds to the impression of the world's largest (or greastest?)I > democracy consistently has a participation under - or just barely abovee> > 50 % - in elections, while most other countries have 70-80%.B > And then they have the boldness to "teach" other countries (e.g.5 > Nicaragua and El Salvador) democracy from gunpoint.P >   8 	Boldness?  How about the boldness to come and spill our: 	blood - TWICE on European soil to halt German aggression.: 	Think about the implications of "what might have been" if8 	we hadn't the BOLDNESS to jump in the European theatre.  @ 	For all our faults over here , we are the only Superpower left.
 	Get over it.e   				Robu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:54:48 -0800o! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comr Subject: Re: US ConstitutionD Message-ID: <OF01E8005B.A30F81DA-ON882569AB.006C5BCD@foundation.com>  I Rob, you guys turned up late with mostly untrained soldiers. The American D forces still have a reputation for being the best equipped and worstK trained. Ask what might have happened if the Brits and Russians hadn't beencK as strong and determined. They'd have taken over, consolidated, then rolledc right over you.u  G Damn it, I'm not trying to insult anyone but I'm REALLY sick of the waylB American society and Hollywood rewrite history to paint America asI single-handedly saving the world every other week. Big Brother's Ministry I of Truth could learn a lot here. There's always other countries involved,e# you're part of a team. Get over it.a   Shanes          > young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) on 12/04/2000 11:06:21 AM   To:   Info-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COME cc:d   Subject:  Re: US ConstitutionI    I In article <1el4rii.hccwn8mel5b0N%andekl@saaf.se>, andekl@saaf.se (Anderst Eklof) writes:( > Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote: >iA >> Someone has to sort this out for future elections, The outsider= >> world is either laughing or shaking its head in disbelief.  >lD > This adds to the impression of the world's largest (or greastest?)I > democracy consistently has a participation under - or just barely above > > 50 % - in elections, while most other countries have 70-80%.B > And then they have the boldness to "teach" other countries (e.g.5 > Nicaragua and El Salvador) democracy from gunpoint.a >c  <      Boldness?  How about the boldness to come and spill our>      blood - TWICE on European soil to halt German aggression.>      Think about the implications of "what might have been" if<      we hadn't the BOLDNESS to jump in the European theatre.  D      For all our faults over here , we are the only Superpower left.      Get over it.                        Robe   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:02:06 -0500- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>  Subject: Re: US Constitution/ Message-ID: <t2nu5idou89ka6@corp.supernews.com>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_02D8_01C05E03.2B60C950  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="Windows-1252" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I I know that posting to COMP.OS.VMS (or any newsgroup) in HTML is a very = > bad thing to do, but I hope that two wrongs make a right here.       PLEASE STOP!!!!l  ) Followups are to be sent to ALT.POLITICS.   + ------=_NextPart_000_02D8_01C05E03.2B60C950  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="Windows-1252" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =: charset=3Dwindows-1252">8 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>e <BODY>I <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know that posting to COMP.OS.VMS (or =T any=20J newsgroup) in HTML is a very bad thing to do, but I hope that two wrongs =	 make a=20r right here.</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>= <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D7>PLEASE STOP!!!!</FONT></DIV>e4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>? <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Followups are to be sent to=20a( ALT.POLITICS.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_02D8_01C05E03.2B60C950--e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 00:12:00 -0500;- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>y= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections) , Message-ID: <3A2C7904.F4C89E87@videotron.ca>   Bob Koehler wrote:G > The Constitution grants the selecting of Presidential electors to thehA > state legislatures, all of which have passed laws relating thathJ > selection to popular vote and dictating the process by which the popularI > vote shall procede.  Someone has to have the authority to enforce those J > laws (the executive branch), and someone has to have the power to review1 > actions to see if they meet the legal standard.4  N But the USA supreme court today announced that they were essentially unable toM rule on whether the Florida supreme court was within its rights/juristdiction # to do what it was accused of doing.s  N Also, one Florida court refused hand counts because they said that it would beL unfair to use a different standard on only parts of Florida, yet, they allowI each county to select their own technology, thus offering wide variety ofl0 standards/technologies inside of a single state.  N In Canada's recent election, there was one seat which was contested, a recountH was done and the runner-up ended up winning the seat. It was done in theJ matter of a couple of days, no lawsuits, no courts involved. Why ? BecauseN there are clear national standards and procedures on how this is accomplished.    J It seems to me that the US election systems are like the tower of Babel. AI huge collection of different and incompatible systems, and when somethinguN breaks, all hell breaks loose because nobody can see the big picture, not even6 the supreme court, since everything is so localised.      N The one interesting tidbit I learned is that those votomatic "machines" are inK fact like 3-hole paper punches. The "chads" accumulate in the box under theoJ punch, and the chads accumulate under the holes and if the contained isn'tK emptied regularly, it may become difficult to punch a hole because there is  nowhere for the chad to go.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2000 20:22:27 GMT42 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date?6 Message-ID: <90gue3$svm$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  R In article <OFEBC84F85.263D898E-ON862569AB.005B2F9E@com>, fwheeler@csc.com writes: :The VMS FAQ at the FTP site. :ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/vmsL :is dated 29Nov1999. It seems like there should be a more recent copy there.  F   It does, doesn't it.  Please use the www.openvms.compaq.com address,H   or the MIT RTFM address.   There is a parallel and separate mechanism G   for making available tools and freeware at the ftp.digital.com area, oG   though further discussion of that area here will not be particularly -J   fruitful.  I'll either get the reference to ftp.digital.com pulled from H   the next distribution of the OpenVMS FAQ, or I'll ask that the area beH   updated with a more current copy -- various of the files and materialsF   available at the ftp.digital.com area can unfortunately be outdated.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:46:51 -0600 From: "bob" <bob@noware.com> Subject: Zip Help!!!/ Message-ID: <t2oe69jhqmga11@corp.supernews.com>   L Any suggestions on how to zip a VMS files.  I have tried sequential variableJ and sequential fixed.  Nether seems to work.  I want to zip files prior to transferring them.  # Any help would be most appreciated.h   Here is what I'm seeing:   fixed width:  & SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE] ZIP TEST.TXTD zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did youB zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)  % zip error: Zip file structure invalidd) (SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE]TEST.TXT;4)s     variable width:r' SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE] ZIP TEST.FILEe  A      Error:  zipfile is in variable-length record format.  PleaseDI      run "bilf b SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE]TEST.FILE;2" to convert the: zipfih      record format.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 01:15:25 GMTT1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>- Subject: Re: Zip Help!!!2 Message-ID: <3A2C4301.EA326583@clarityconnect.com>  F If they are going to be unzipped on a VMS system then putting the file" into a BACKUP saveset is an option  2 BACKUP/NOASSIST/LOG/GROUP=0 TEST.TXT TEST.BCK/SAVE ZIP "-V9" TEST.ZIP TEST.BCKm  
 bob wrote: > N > Any suggestions on how to zip a VMS files.  I have tried sequential variableL > and sequential fixed.  Nether seems to work.  I want to zip files prior to > transferring them. > % > Any help would be most appreciated.u >  > Here is what I'm seeing: >  > fixed width: > ( > SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE] ZIP TEST.TXTF > zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did youD > zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?) > ' > zip error: Zip file structure invalidt+ > (SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE]TEST.TXT;4)s >  > variable width:t) > SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE] ZIP TEST.FILE4 > C >      Error:  zipfile is in variable-length record format.  PleaseEK >      run "bilf b SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE]TEST.FILE;2" to convert the0 > zipfih >      record format.b   -- jD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:52:01 -0600i7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>d Subject: Re: Zip Help!!!- Message-ID: <3A2C5851.6E74B715@earthlink.net>t  
 bob wrote: > N > Any suggestions on how to zip a VMS files.  I have tried sequential variableL > and sequential fixed.  Nether seems to work.  I want to zip files prior to > transferring them. > % > Any help would be most appreciated.0 >  > Here is what I'm seeing: >  > fixed width: > ( > SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE] ZIP TEST.TXTF > zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did youD > zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)  , Syntax error. The correct command syntax is:  7 $ ZIP qualifiers archive_spec filespec[,filespec[,...]]h  r' > zip error: Zip file structure invalid/+ > (SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE]TEST.TXT;4)r >  > variable width:o) > SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE] ZIP TEST.FILEw > C >      Error:  zipfile is in variable-length record format.  Please/K >      run "bilf b SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BAMES.COMPILE]TEST.FILE;2" to convert the  > zipfih >      record format.m  G Same deal - command syntax error. See the above for the correct syntax.p  H If you got ZIP off the OpenVMS freeware CD (or on-line) there is a known problem with that version.   Here are some alternate links:   http://www.djesys.com/zip.html- http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/zip022.zipR  + ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/infozip/VMS/   5 http://www2.wku.edu/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?ZIPp  + You may need a newer version of UNZIP also:r    http://www.djesys.com/unzip.html/ http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/unzu2053.zipn  < Then, either of these  command strings should do it for you:   $ ZIP :== $ddcu:<dir>ZIP8 $ ZIP/LEVEL=8/VMS archive_name filespec[,filespec[,...]] - or -2 $ ZIP "-8V" archive_name filespec[,filespec[,...]]   Note:IC Use level 8 or lower when possible to keep ZIP from trying compresssG files that it can recognize as non-compressible (saves clock/CPU time). H The default level is 5 which equates roughly to PKZip's DeflateN (Normal
 compression).D   -- h David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.'   ------------------------------  " Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 04:05:23 GMT3 From: cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius)h2 Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]+ Message-ID: <1zVQn$JHQaV9@eisner.decus.org>a  M [Bad form to follow up my own post, but it does need a bit of clarification.]e  G First of all, I commented that the Republican counties appeared to havetF purchased machines from a pair of Republican states, and the DemocratsC from Little Rock, Arkansas.  That was an "on the surface" analysis;CG if anyone had cared to continue the discussion I would have pointed out H that what the web site mentions are voting "systems", and if you alreadyE owned Votomatics purchased years earlier from some other vendor, your.E current vendor, in this case the one in Little Rock, might be willingsI to sell you updated counting systems for them - card readers, etc. - even H if they also offered superior systems for those who wanted to start over with new technology.  H That doesn't necessarily  let the Floridians off the hook for charges ofK choosing vendors based on political affiliation, but it could mean that the I Little Rock vendor is not to blame for Democratic counties' continued use  of a flawed technology.   L And a spokesman for the E S & S (Omaha) site I mentioned as being the sourceK for the mark sense systems in various noncontested counties has been quotedeF in Business Week as stating that while voting systems under controlledH conditions can produce accuracies on the order of six parts per million,D he doubts whether one part in one hundred is achievable in practice.  E Secondly, I am disappointed that no one was sufficiently motivated by B my cryptic references to John Galt (and to a Ms. Rand) to type theB phrase "Who is John Galt?" into their search engine of choice. TheC results may have been edifying - or maybe not - but I was referringlB to Ayn Rand's _Atlas Shrugged_ .  There are various reviews on the1 Web, e.g., <http://www.ksce.com/bio/atlas.html> .n  E What I was trying to get across was that the accidental connection totG Rand's novel that one might make in scanning the Florida web site couldlF not have been more appropriate.  I didn't mean to state that there wasH a strong case for for anything - just that the idea of each party buyingC from its buddies instead of buying the best technology around was ah! scenario right out of her novels.d  G Next time I attempt to express a complex thought on the Net in 25 words + or less, please castigate me appropriately.s   --8 George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.678 ************************