1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 05 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 679       Contents:1 =?iso-8859-1?Q?HSZ70_Raid_controller=B4s_manual?= % Adding font OCR-B to a Printserver-20 ) Re: Adding font OCR-B to a Printserver-20 ? Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port ? Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port ? Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port  Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?7 Re: Cxan I install only accesories from PAthworks CD ?? 7 Re: Cxan I install only accesories from PAthworks CD ??  Re: educational licenses Re: educational licenses Re: educational licenses# ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem ' Re: ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem ' Re: ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem + Re: Getting X11/motif to run on new machine + Re: Getting X11/motif to run on new machine  how to sort a CSV file Re: how to sort a CSV file Re: how to sort a CSV file3 http://www.openvmsedu.com/ for educational licenses * I need macro32 code for string replacement. Re: I need macro32 code for string replacement. Re: I need macro32 code for string replacement8 Re: Installing OpenVMS on AXPPci33 - No SYS$CPU_ROUTINES8 Re: Installing OpenVMS on AXPPci33 - No SYS$CPU_ROUTINES8 Re: Installing OpenVMS on AXPPci33 - No SYS$CPU_ROUTINES, Re: Limiting =?iso-8859-1?Q?user=B4s?= login) Re: Limiting =?UNKNOWN?Q?user=B4s?= login  Re: Limiting user's login?  Re: Need help, thanks in advance  RE: Need help, thanks in advance New OpenVMS  Education site  Re: New OpenVMS  Education site 
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Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> : Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?HSZ70_Raid_controller=B4s_manual?=5 Message-ID: <001201c05ede$b797bf60$c9a4e7c8@valdemir>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C05ECD.F08616C0  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   B Where I can get HSZ70 raid controller=B4s manual in the internet ?   Thank you in advance.=20  + ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C05ECD.F08616C0  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =  http-equiv=3DContent-Type>9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>= <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Where I can get HSZ70 raid =  controller=B4s manual in=20  the internet ?</FONT></DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> 8 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you in advance. = </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C05ECD.F08616C0--    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:16:42 GMT ' From: Piet Timmers <piet@timmers-it.nl> . Subject: Adding font OCR-B to a Printserver-20) Message-ID: <90i899$ik5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,   4 We want to use the OCR-B font on our printserver-20.= I have asked compaq but they say it is not available anymore.   E Searching on the web gives me the OCR-B font, but how can I load this > into the printserver and use it. We only need it when printing postscript files.      Thanks,    Piet Timmers Timmers IT Consultancy    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:25:18 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>2 Subject: Re: Adding font OCR-B to a Printserver-20C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-50A21F.11251805122000@news.compaq.com>   7 In article <90i899$ik5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Piet Timmers   <piet@timmers-it.nl> wrote:   D > We want to use the OCR-B font on our printserver-20. I have asked 3 > compaq but they say it is not available anymore.    D The DECfonts Typeface Collection (one way Digital sold fonts) is no J longer sold, but there are a number of places you can buy an OCR-B font.  / For example, here's a pointer to an Adobe page:   1    http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/P/P_058.html   I You want a "UNIX" or "VMS" version so that the Type-1 outline font files  6 come in .PFA (ASCII) format rather than .PFB (binary).  G When you get the font file, follow the instructions in the PrintServer  > Software documentation to make them available to your printer.  F Basically, you edit the LPS$SUPPORT:LPSRESOURCES.printername file and H put the font file in the LPS$ROOT:[FONTS] directory.  The next time you B reboot your PrintServer printer, the font will be resident in the  printer's memory.    Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Dec 2000 09:49:57 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> H Subject: Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard portH Message-ID: <y4sno345hm.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  , eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  3 > >The resolver hard codes the port number for now.   > How about a change for ECO 2 ?  J Other alternative: look up the address of the constant containing the port; number (e.g., with DEBUG), and post it. VFE is your friend.    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 11:10:34 +0100 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)H Subject: Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port* Message-ID: <3a2cbf1a$1@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <y4sno345hm.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:- >eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  > 4 >> >The resolver hard codes the port number for now.! >> How about a change for ECO 2 ?  > K >Other alternative: look up the address of the constant containing the port < >number (e.g., with DEBUG), and post it. VFE is your friend.  K This is my last chance, if I really need it (I'm still trying to avoid it).   K But better way would be an new BIND resolver EXE looking for an environment K variable containing the port number and if not there using the default one. J Then, every user of TCPIP could use this feature and it would be really an easy fix...    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Dec 2000 12:38:58 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> H Subject: Re: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard portH Message-ID: <y41yvnjdwt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  , eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  6 > >> >The resolver hard codes the port number for now.# > >> How about a change for ECO 2 ? M > >Other alternative: look up the address of the constant containing the port > > >number (e.g., with DEBUG), and post it. VFE is your friend.M > This is my last chance, if I really need it (I'm still trying to avoid it).    Agreed.   M > But better way would be an new BIND resolver EXE looking for an environment M > variable containing the port number and if not there using the default one.   L Just so. Unfortunately, DEC^H^H^HCompaq assume that you can always recompileN your Alpha executables from the sources, thus no PATCH. It would be an (almostK trivial) exercise, left to the reader, of patching that code in on the VAX.    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:55:55 +0100 , From: Christian Leue <Christian.Leue@gmx.de>% Subject: Boing boing boing... splash? 1 Message-ID: <B6527A3A.748E%Christian.Leue@gmx.de>   G Have any Europeans readers here already received their fabulous OpenVMS J blinking balls? Do we have to fear that the ship sank? Or are folks in theI US still too busy counting pregnant chads to send the packages over here?    Anxiously waiting,  	 Christian       ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:24:04 +0100, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? + Message-ID: <90iflj$2uta$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>   5 I received mine (in the Netherlands) some months ago!   H By the way, if you were at the joint Itug/DECUS symposium in Vienna, youJ could have had both the OpenVMS version (pink/red) AND the NonStop version (blue)!   	 Bart Zorn   9 "Christian Leue" <Christian.Leue@gmx.de> wrote in message + news:B6527A3A.748E%Christian.Leue@gmx.de...  > I > Have any Europeans readers here already received their fabulous OpenVMS L > blinking balls? Do we have to fear that the ship sank? Or are folks in theK > US still too busy counting pregnant chads to send the packages over here?  >  > Anxiously waiting, >  > Christian  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 11:37:18 +0100 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? * Message-ID: <3a2cc55e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ` In article <B6527A3A.748E%Christian.Leue@gmx.de>, Christian Leue <Christian.Leue@gmx.de> writes:H >Have any Europeans readers here already received their fabulous OpenVMS >blinking balls?   Yes. Months ago.  J >               Do we have to fear that the ship sank? Or are folks in theJ >US still too busy counting pregnant chads to send the packages over here?  D No. It seems, that you must be a (personal ;-) friend of the VMS VP.9 Ask Susan Skonetski to be included in this mailling list. L It seems most/normal VMS distribution channels didn't get this gifts at all.: Ask your VMS ambassador at your local Q site to be sure...   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Dec 2000 12:36:25 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? H Message-ID: <y44s0jje12.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  , eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  N > It seems most/normal VMS distribution channels didn't get this gifts at all.  L I received a package which from its form and size could have contained one - but the package was empty...   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 11:27:31 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? 0 Message-ID: <90ijf3$odj$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  ` In article <B6527A3A.748E%Christian.Leue@gmx.de>, Christian Leue <Christian.Leue@gmx.de> writes: > H >Have any Europeans readers here already received their fabulous OpenVMSK >blinking balls? Do we have to fear that the ship sank? Or are folks in the J >US still too busy counting pregnant chads to send the packages over here?  I Got mine weeks ago already, the children play with it quite often and the  battery is still alive...    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 08:40:49 -0500 , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? + Message-ID: <HwpKoyjCSEFU@eisner.decus.org>   ` In article <B6527A3A.748E%Christian.Leue@gmx.de>, Christian Leue <Christian.Leue@gmx.de> writes: > I > Have any Europeans readers here already received their fabulous OpenVMS L > blinking balls? Do we have to fear that the ship sank? Or are folks in theK > US still too busy counting pregnant chads to send the packages over here?  >   H There are those of us over here who never received that mailing, either.@ But I've been getting more Open it posters than I have room for.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:50:27 GMT % From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> ) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? ) Message-ID: <90j2s0$7ds$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   H In article <y44s0jje12.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,C   Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  wrote:. > eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: > B > > It seems most/normal VMS distribution channels didn't get this > > gifts at all.  > H > I received a package which from its form and size could have contained$ > one - but the package was empty...   That sounds familar.  9 - I have received a ball, but it looks like it is broken. C   It jumps ;-), but it doesn't light - I guess the detector is bad.   F - I have received a postcard with my name on a label - I peeled it offE   and a canadian address appeared. Later I received another postcard.   E - I have received a tube (apparently for a poster), but it was empty. :   Then I received another tube, this time _with_ a poster.  / The current score is - defective: 3, working: 2   + Ok, OpenVMS, where is the working ball? ;-)    @@@                  @@   @@ ,  @@        @@@@     @@@     @@ @@@   @@@@ @@+  @@@@@    @@  @@     @@     @@@ @@  @@   @@ +  @@  @@   @@  @@     @@     @@  @@  @@   @@ +  @@  @@   @@  @@     @@     @@  @@   @@@@@@ * @@@@@@     @@@@     @@@@    @@  @@       @*                                      @@@@@   --
 Uwe Zessin3 (If you want to send mail, please use user "zessin"o/ who lives at "decus.decus.de", not my-deja.com)i    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:51:39 -0500C2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash?oL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0512001051390001@user-2ivec58.dialup.mindspring.com>  Y In article <HwpKoyjCSEFU@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:o    .J > There are those of us over here who never received that mailing, either.B > But I've been getting more Open it posters than I have room for.  I'm afraid I don't understand this new ad campaign.  Yesterday I received the latest, in postcard form.  A guy is sitting in an empty (padded?) room, holding his head, perhaps under heavy sedation.  Maybe "This is your brain on Windows NT" is written somewhere in invisible ink?  i Do pointy-haired managers actually find meaning in these ads?  If so, they are more alien than I thought.i   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com0   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 17:09:20 +0100b* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? * Message-ID: <3a2d1330$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Q In article <90j2s0$7ds$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> writes:nI >In article <y44s0jje12.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,2D >  Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> >wrote:e/ >> eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:T >>C >> > It seems most/normal VMS distribution channels didn't get thisl >> > gifts at all. >>I >> I received a package which from its form and size could have containedi% >> one - but the package was empty...e >i >That sounds familar.e >e: >- I have received a ball, but it looks like it is broken.D >  It jumps ;-), but it doesn't light - I guess the detector is bad. > G >- I have received a postcard with my name on a label - I peeled it offpF >  and a canadian address appeared. Later I received another postcard. >aF >- I have received a tube (apparently for a poster), but it was empty.; >  Then I received another tube, this time _with_ a poster.  >g0 >The current score is - defective: 3, working: 2 >f, >Ok, OpenVMS, where is the working ball? ;-)  A I received a working ball (thanks susan) and 2 tubes with posters C and a postcard. Neither the posters nor the postcard look like goodeC advertising to me. It only surprised me and then I dumped it. Sigh.-H So, except the ball (which is a good idea, but how does it fit to VMS ?)D the material is useless. If you haven't got it, you won't miss it...   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888C< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Dec 2000 17:37:49 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>o) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash?CH Message-ID: <y4bsuqhlia.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  , eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  C > I received a working ball (thanks susan) and 2 tubes with postersyE > and a postcard. Neither the posters nor the postcard look like goodiE > advertising to me. It only surprised me and then I dumped it. Sigh.eJ > So, except the ball (which is a good idea, but how does it fit to VMS ?)F > the material is useless. If you haven't got it, you won't miss it...  L Minus the ball the same here. And I also don't understand what these postersN are supposed to mean. Just shows that we all here aren't the proper addressees of that campaign, I fear...    	Jan   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:01:50 +0000 (   )e3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>a) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash?sJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10012051642420.30594-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  % On 5 Dec 2000 eplan@kapsch.net wrote:1  C > I received a working ball (thanks susan) and 2 tubes with posters7E > and a postcard. Neither the posters nor the postcard look like good=E > advertising to me. It only surprised me and then I dumped it. Sigh.hJ > So, except the ball (which is a good idea, but how does it fit to VMS ?)F > the material is useless. If you haven't got it, you won't miss it...  I You can kick it or hit it really hard, and if it worked before, there's an good chance it still will?  G After being locked in a vault for years, aside from being a little lessDE flashy it would have a chance of still functioning (bouncing, in thisH case)?  7 It's more popular than it would seem at first glance...D  9 It has a simple, straightforward, yet flexible interface?a  H The rubber ball, like the system, seems to have better user-support than any other I've seen :)  > It has a dedicated croup of technical professionals behind it?  ? It will work on (bounce off of) both VAXen and Alpha systems...   9 Given the spherical shape of the ball, it's got the leastpG resource-consuming packaging possible for the amount of material that's2 contained within.m  ; People generally use it without worrying too much about it.t  E It's fun to take it apart and see how it works -- don't try this on ae production ball, though.  G You can "cluster" them together with some sort of "interconnect" (largemE rubber band, in this case), and they'll probably work better. (anyoney tried this?)  G It's not a security risk, and won't explode like some other ball-shapedm things.d  * You don't have to re-boot the ball either.  = Proven technology that's been serving some markets for years.e  H Sun (another ball-shaped object) can damage it if you're not careful. (I had to throw this one in)    Anything else?   Regards,   Chrisw  O ===============================================================================a@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmera Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andhH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 yO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:17:33 GMT,% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)p) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash?t1 Message-ID: <3a2d14d9.108195657@news.newsguy.com>   . On 05 Dec 2000 12:36:25 +0100, Jan Vorbrueggen8 <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:  - >eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:a >oO >> It seems most/normal VMS distribution channels didn't get this gifts at all.c >0M >I received a package which from its form and size could have contained one -b >but the package was empty...N  D Customs probably drilled it for drugs, Be prepared to have your door  kicked in at 6am one monring :-)     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:05:46 +0000d  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash?nH Message-ID: <OF645C7659.B6669E19-ON802569AC.005DA8D3@qedi.quintiles.com>  H Score is two balls (one I got in Vienna, the other through the post) and they both work. J Three posters (which are still in the tubes until I find somewhere to hang" them, but I've not forgotten them)$ At  least one postcard (maybe more).  K So, unless someone in the UK postal service has failed to deliver somethingi then I'm doing well.   Steve.   Christian Leue asked:nJ >>>Have any Europeans readers here already received their fabulous OpenVMSJ blinking balls? Do we have to fear that the ship sank? Or are folks in theI US still too busy counting pregnant chads to send the packages over here?o   Anxiously waiting,   Christian<<<   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:21:22 GMTi% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)a) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? 1 Message-ID: <3a2d1550.108314678@news.newsguy.com>E  D On 5 Dec 2000 08:40:49 -0500, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  a >In article <B6527A3A.748E%Christian.Leue@gmx.de>, Christian Leue <Christian.Leue@gmx.de> writes:n >> yJ >> Have any Europeans readers here already received their fabulous OpenVMSM >> blinking balls? Do we have to fear that the ship sank? Or are folks in the L >> US still too busy counting pregnant chads to send the packages over here? >>   >mI >There are those of us over here who never received that mailing, either. A >But I've been getting more Open it posters than I have room for.r  A No chance of getting them sent up to brighten up the walls of the A International Space Station then? And don't you think those solida) rocket boosters are just so uncool plain?    :-)@  * But yes they do arrive at quite some rate,   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:43:21 -0800O! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coms) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash?nD Message-ID: <OFAD74D1E7.376C52CB-ON882569AC.0066CDA5@foundation.com>  D Heh, the way Compaq are marketing it, it would appear OpenVMS /is/ a controlled substance.....y   Shane           , agreig@my-deja.com on 12/05/2000 08:17:33 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm cc:n  * Subject:  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?    . On 05 Dec 2000 12:36:25 +0100, Jan Vorbrueggen8 <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:  - >eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:a >eJ >> It seems most/normal VMS distribution channels didn't get this gifts at all. >-K >I received a package which from its form and size could have contained onet -  >but the package was empty...u  D Customs probably drilled it for drugs, Be prepared to have your door  kicked in at 6am one monring :-)     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:46:43 GMTr From: sharty@ccbs.com (MJS)o@ Subject: Re: Cxan I install only accesories from PAthworks CD ??6 Message-ID: <3a2caa6b.546942@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com>   I'm running Version 5.0C.-   This is part of my problem.     = This Alpha has gone so long without an update due to its mainjA application being stuck in the dark ages that my hands are reallyb tied.a          C On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:19:01 -0500, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>y wrote:  K >Your CD's autorun should display ea menu (for PW V7.x anyway) . You should - >see an option to install only powerterm 525.iE >If you do this, DO NOT include the SET PCSA=C::\PW32 command in yourw2 >autoexec.bat or powerterm will not work properly. >.	 >Syltrem.  >a) >"MJS" <sharty@ccbs.com> wrote in messagev4 >news:3a2a0296.898868650@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com...G >> I am loading up some newer machines and they will not run my currentoF >> version ( old) of pathworks, but I'd like to use the VT320 emulator" >> from it for terminal emulation. >>+ >> However, I do not see an install for it.0 >>I >> By clicking on the VT320.EXE i got the name of about 3 DLL's it wantediH >> and moved them to the \windows\system directory and got it to come up. >> with 4 serial ports but  TELNET is ghosted. >>E >> Is there a way to get it to work with a telnet (TCP/IP connection0rG >> without all of the rest of the Pathwork overhead that will not go onM >> this machine ???  >>H >> (is there a subset of the additional DLL's that will allow connection >> over a TCP/IP socket) >> >t >e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:04:56 -0500& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>@ Subject: Re: Cxan I install only accesories from PAthworks CD ??7 Message-ID: <kr7X5.8136$Cn4.192819@weber.videotron.net>   5 dO YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH dec FOR SOFTWARE UPDATES?.K If you do, just ask them for the latest release of PathWorks client and user this CD for PowerTerm install.   Syltrem   ( "MJS" <sharty@ccbs.com> wrote in message0 news:3a2caa6b.546942@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com... > I'm running Version 5.0C.s >i > This is part of my problem.- >-? > This Alpha has gone so long without an update due to its mainoC > application being stuck in the dark ages that my hands are really: > tied.g >i >b >g >  >aE > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:19:01 -0500, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>h > wrote: >aF > >Your CD's autorun should display ea menu (for PW V7.x anyway) . You should/ > >see an option to install only powerterm 525.eG > >If you do this, DO NOT include the SET PCSA=C::\PW32 command in your 4 > >autoexec.bat or powerterm will not work properly. > >- > >Syltrem.  > > + > >"MJS" <sharty@ccbs.com> wrote in messagen6 > >news:3a2a0296.898868650@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com...I > >> I am loading up some newer machines and they will not run my currentnH > >> version ( old) of pathworks, but I'd like to use the VT320 emulator$ > >> from it for terminal emulation. > >>- > >> However, I do not see an install for it.O > >>K > >> By clicking on the VT320.EXE i got the name of about 3 DLL's it wanted J > >> and moved them to the \windows\system directory and got it to come up0 > >> with 4 serial ports but  TELNET is ghosted. > >>G > >> Is there a way to get it to work with a telnet (TCP/IP connection0oI > >> without all of the rest of the Pathwork overhead that will not go on- > >> this machine ???n > >>J > >> (is there a subset of the additional DLL's that will allow connection > >> over a TCP/IP socket) > >> > >  > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:36:31 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com! Subject: Re: educational licenses H Message-ID: <OF41AF6716.8C0ADC13-ON802569AC.00449100@qedi.quintiles.com>   Geoff, Details are accessible from : S http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness_without_compromise/educational_license.htmlj  1 There's a pointer to this on the VMS website at :H http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  K Incidently, the new design for the website/OpenVMS portal is great.  Just ae> pity that it isn't served by a cluster of GS320s.........  :-)J Mind you, if Compaq would like to buy a pair of AlphaServer 8400s from the UK to run it.........    Geoff Roberts asked/quoted:sB >>>"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message0 news:8uuqri$ea1$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > D > In article <8urhbh$3bm$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: >-H >   re: Discussion of the release of free single-user OpenVMS license vs the @ >       (desired) release of free multi-user OpenVMS licenses -- licenses for! >       use at educational sites.   C Would you be kind enough to point me at some info about this.  I've-8 obviously missed this thread as I've not heard of it.<<<   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 15:00:46 GMTb2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: educational licensesj6 Message-ID: <90ivuu$e22$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  u In article <JOXW5.1082$Vu1.23779@ozemail.com.au>, "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux> writes:e : F :Would you be kind enough to point me at some info about this [OpenVMSG :educational license program -srh].  I've obviously missed this thread z :as I've not heard of it.n     www.openvms.compaq.com  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 18:09:27 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: educational licensesa6 Message-ID: <90jb0n$gut$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  k In article <90ivuu$e22$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:r :gv :In article <JOXW5.1082$Vu1.23779@ozemail.com.au>, "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux> writes: ::G ::Would you be kind enough to point me at some info about this [OpenVMS H ::educational license program -srh].  I've obviously missed this thread  ::as I've not heard of it. :  :  www.openvms.compaq.com   9   I'm told that www.openvmsedu.com has gone on-line, too.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:00:10 +0100+ From: "Per Berg Nissen" <pbni@lundbeck.com>u, Subject: ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem/ Message-ID: <d92X5.27$jP1.1392@news.get2net.dk>.  B We have a problem with installation of OpenVMS version 7.2-1 on an AlphaServer ES40* configured with disks on a HSG80 (MA8000).L When we boot the OpenVMS Operation System CDROM version 7.2-1 we can not see any disks on the HSG80.tH If we install OpenVMS 7.2-1 on an internal disk and supply the following patchesnK (VMS_PCSI, VMS721_UPDATE, VMS721_FIBRE_SCSI) we can see the external disks:   ) Anyone seen this kind of problem before ?p1 How do we solve this problem in a supported way ?o   RegardsT    /Pert   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:12:53 GMT % From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>m0 Subject: Re: ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem) Message-ID: <90im44$sp9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-  / In article <d92X5.27$jP1.1392@news.get2net.dk>,0.   "Per Berg Nissen" <pbni@lundbeck.com> wrote:D > We have a problem with installation of OpenVMS version 7.2-1 on an= > AlphaServer ES40 configured with disks on a HSG80 (MA8000). F > When we boot the OpenVMS Operation System CDROM version 7.2-1 we can! > not see any disks on the HSG80.h@ > If we install OpenVMS 7.2-1 on an internal disk and supply the@ > following patches (VMS_PCSI, VMS721_UPDATE, VMS721_FIBRE_SCSI)  > we can see the external disks:  < Sounds like you are using the KGPSA-CA (168794-B21) adapter., This one is newer than OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1.  + > Anyone seen this kind of problem before ?b3 > How do we solve this problem in a supported way ?r  ? You did it the correct way. You can now move the system disk on C FC storage and configure the boot device with the 'wwidmgr' utility  if you like.  	 > Regardss	 >    /Perm   --
 Uwe Zessin3 (If you want to send mail, please use user "zessin"d/ who lives at "decus.decus.de", not my-deja.com)v    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 07:26:57 -0600r) From: Mike Drabicky <drabicky#dallas.net>f0 Subject: Re: ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem8 Message-ID: <qdkp2to843jovrb32qgjpcjv5vrac2ohj5@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:00:10 +0100, "Per Berg Nissen" <pbni@lundbeck.com> wrote:  C >We have a problem with installation of OpenVMS version 7.2-1 on anx >AlphaServer ES40h+ >configured with disks on a HSG80 (MA8000).)M >When we boot the OpenVMS Operation System CDROM version 7.2-1 we can not see  >any disks on the HSG80.I >If we install OpenVMS 7.2-1 on an internal disk and supply the following. >patchesL >(VMS_PCSI, VMS721_UPDATE, VMS721_FIBRE_SCSI) we can see the external disks: >V* >Anyone seen this kind of problem before ?2 >How do we solve this problem in a supported way ?  ? These problems come from missing drivers for your fiber channelmF hardware.You'll find this true in almost all cases where the BIOS seesC the gear but the O/S doesn't. Simply put, your V7.2-1 system CD waskE made before the hardware you're trying to use existed. I would assume B if you try the V7.3 OpenVMS system CD that your gear will show up.  
 Mike Drabickyd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:52:16 +0000.$ From: Grant Schoep <grant@storm.com>4 Subject: Re: Getting X11/motif to run on new machine; Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001205124949.00cce690@192.69.85.13>.  G Thanks. Is their place I can download the Open3D kit? I don't have the eF license, but the 2d stuff would be good so I can at least start Motif.   Thanks.t -grant  % At 12:36 PM 12/4/00 -0500, you wrote:tE >You have a PixelVision.  You need to install the Open3D kit (V4.9a IaK >believe) for support.  You need the Open3D license ONLY if you plan to useuI >the 3D capabilities.  However, the kit can be installed to obtain the 2D  >bits without the license. >0 >_Fred >M >Grant Schoep wrote in message3 ><4.2.0.58.20001202185859.00d345b0@192.69.85.13>...gL > >I'm trying to get OpenVMS 7.2 running on an Alphastation 200 4/233. But I1 > >can't get it to recognize its graphics device.s > >oK > >I new to doing admin work on VMS, I just wanted to play with it a bit at 1 > >home and learn more about it. So bear with me.) > >hK > >I just got the OpenVMS 7.2 media and installed it.  I added my licenses, H > >and after the next boot, the machine comes up with with the following >error:s > >w4 > >DECW$DEVICE=I=NODEVICE, no graphics devices found > > M > >I wonder if my graphics device is not supported in OpenVMS 7.2?(The reasoniL > >I got it for free was that it was no longer supported in the new releases > >of Digital Unix.) > >iM > >I'm not sure how to tell what kind of card it is, from the >>> show config  > >it looks like a PV-PCI. > > N > >When the system is up and I do a show device, I see a device GUA0:, which I/ > >think may be the card, but it says disabled.V > >aL > >I may have not added the correct licenses, what licenses should I need to
 > >run it?K > >I added the DW-MOTIF license, any others that I should need? Until I get G > >the network running, I need to type all my licenses in by hand, so I + > >haven't added them all from my file yet.r > > , > >Anything ideas of how to proceed? Thanks.	 > >-grant  > >tN > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------  > >Grant Schoep, grant@storm.com > >Software Developer   > >L3 Com - Storm Control System > >Basingstoke, UK > >s > >t >   K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------t Grant Schoep, grant@storm.como Software Developer L3 Com - Storm Control Systemo Basingstoke, UK    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:27:00 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>=4 Subject: Re: Getting X11/motif to run on new machine, Message-ID: <90jc1m$ehmh$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  K Ask the folks who do the Hobbyist program.  I don't think the kit is onlinea" from Compaq, but is on CDROM only.   Grant Schoep wrote in message-2 <4.2.0.58.20001205124949.00cce690@192.69.85.13>...G >Thanks. Is their place I can download the Open3D kit? I don't have the G >license, but the 2d stuff would be good so I can at least start Motif.i >  >Thanks. >-grant- >-& >At 12:36 PM 12/4/00 -0500, you wrote:F >>You have a PixelVision.  You need to install the Open3D kit (V4.9a IL >>believe) for support.  You need the Open3D license ONLY if you plan to useJ >>the 3D capabilities.  However, the kit can be installed to obtain the 2D >>bits without the license.0 >> >>_Fred0 >> >>Grant Schoep wrote in messagee4 >><4.2.0.58.20001202185859.00d345b0@192.69.85.13>...K >> >I'm trying to get OpenVMS 7.2 running on an Alphastation 200 4/233. Butu In2 >> >can't get it to recognize its graphics device. >> >L >> >I new to doing admin work on VMS, I just wanted to play with it a bit at2 >> >home and learn more about it. So bear with me. >> >L >> >I just got the OpenVMS 7.2 media and installed it.  I added my licenses,I >> >and after the next boot, the machine comes up with with the following5 >>error: >> >5 >> >DECW$DEVICE=I=NODEVICE, no graphics devices foundb >> >G >> >I wonder if my graphics device is not supported in OpenVMS 7.2?(Then reasonD >> >I got it for free was that it was no longer supported in the new releases >> >of Digital Unix.)  >> >G >> >I'm not sure how to tell what kind of card it is, from the >>> show  config >> >it looks like a PV-PCI.n >> >G >> >When the system is up and I do a show device, I see a device GUA0:,l which Ii0 >> >think may be the card, but it says disabled. >> >J >> >I may have not added the correct licenses, what licenses should I need to >> >run it? L >> >I added the DW-MOTIF license, any others that I should need? Until I getH >> >the network running, I need to type all my licenses in by hand, so I, >> >haven't added them all from my file yet. >> >- >> >Anything ideas of how to proceed? Thanks.:
 >> >-grant >> > >>L >---------------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >Grant Schoep, grant@storm.comw >> >Software Developer! >> >L3 Com - Storm Control Systemd >> >Basingstoke, UK) >> > >> > >> >iL >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Grant Schoep, grant@storm.com >Software Developere >L3 Com - Storm Control System >Basingstoke, UK >  >l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:13:44 GMTl+ From: Bru, Pierre <Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr>e Subject: how to sort a CSV fileT) Message-ID: <90j7o2$bob$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c   hello,  A is there a way to sort a Comma Separated Values file (well, maybeIE another separator) with the standart sort utlity ? (of course, fieldse are not fixed length...)   TIA, Pierre.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:52:59 GMT, From: jbecker@ui.urban.org# Subject: Re: how to sort a CSV file,) Message-ID: <90ja1n$dv6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.  E Unless there's been some recent addition to SORT I've overlooked (and-D then I'll get all embarrassed), no. You'll need to massage it into a# fixed field format, then sort that.u  E _IF_ you don't have to worry about commas embedded in quoted strings, C f$extract in a DCL procedure will let you extract fields so you caniF rewrite them in fixed fomat. Having to account for quoted commas would complicate the task.  E Nice wish-list item though: SORT /DELIMITER="," where /KEY's POSITION:? keyword becomes a field number instead of a character position.m   [Begin heresy mode]iD If you have Excel and a convenient way to transfer text files to andE from it, it's not hard to pull in a CSV file, sort it with or withouteG headings, then write it back out in CSV format. Caveat: Excel accepts ar6 limited number of lines (64k in one or more versions). [End heresy mode]   ) In article <90j7o2$bob$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,,.   Bru, Pierre <Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr> wrote: > hello, >jC > is there a way to sort a Comma Separated Values file (well, maybe-G > another separator) with the standart sort utlity ? (of course, fieldsC > are not fixed length...) >m > TIA,	 > Pierre.h >g( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.e >    --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) 7 Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)@    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 18:18:23 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: how to sort a CSV fileu6 Message-ID: <90jbhf$gut$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  W In article <90j7o2$bob$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bru, Pierre <Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr> writes:wB :is there a way to sort a Comma Separated Values file (well, maybeF :another separator) with the standart sort utlity ? (of course, fields :are not fixed length...)t  C    Use some simple DCL to make the records fixed-length, then SORT?   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 13:08:51 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)i< Subject: http://www.openvmsedu.com/ for educational licenses+ Message-ID: <xu+eXuILhqK4@eisner.decus.org>>   > Geoff Roberts asked/quoted:oC >>>>"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messaget2 > news:8uuqri$ea1$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >>E >> In article <8urhbh$3bm$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl: > (Phillip Helbig) writes: >>I >>   re: Discussion of the release of free single-user OpenVMS license vsn > the A >>       (desired) release of free multi-user OpenVMS licenses --, > licenses for" >>       use at educational sites. > E > Would you be kind enough to point me at some info about this.  I've@: > obviously missed this thread as I've not heard of it.<<<   http://www.openvmsedu.com/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:32:51 +0100% From: "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com>i3 Subject: I need macro32 code for string replacementt( Message-ID: <90iufa$fpqs$1@as121.tel.hr>    I have some code for changecase.J With some modifications (I don't know almost anything about macro32) I had
 conversionE of all ASCII characters from 32 to 127 (left side of ASCII table) andn similar 176 to 255I (right side of ASCII table), but it does not transform from right to leftn side.u  D For example I want replace ASCII character 200 to ASCII character @.  L I hope that, like it was always, somebody will be gentleman and will help to me.n   Thanks to all of you..   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:57:26 GMTn= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)T7 Subject: Re: I need macro32 code for string replacement 0 Message-ID: <009F422A.3C5D641D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  P In article <90iufa$fpqs$1@as121.tel.hr>, "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com> writes:! >I have some code for changecase.yK >With some modifications (I don't know almost anything about macro32) I had  >conversion>F >of all ASCII characters from 32 to 127 (left side of ASCII table) and >similar 176 to 255oJ >(right side of ASCII table), but it does not transform from right to left >side. > E >For example I want replace ASCII character 200 to ASCII character @.i   Why "@"? > M >I hope that, like it was always, somebody will be gentleman and will help to  >me. >e >Thanks to all of you. >m >t  J Provide me with a table and I'll give you the code.  I simply don't under-I stand why ASCII(200) should translate to "@" and what other insane trans- " lations you might wish to perform.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 18:07:49 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: I need macro32 code for string replacemente6 Message-ID: <90jatl$gut$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <009F422A.3C5D641D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:Q :In article <90iufa$fpqs$1@as121.tel.hr>, "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com> writes:r" :>I have some code for changecase.  8   There are existing OpenVMS RTL calls for translations.  L :>With some modifications (I don't know almost anything about macro32) I hadN :>conversion of all ASCII characters from 32 to 127 (left side of ASCII table)F :>and similar 176 to 255 (right side of ASCII table), but it does not $ :>transform from right to left side. :>F :>For example I want replace ASCII character 200 to ASCII character @. :a	 :Why "@"?o  0   And why Macro32?  Why not some other language?  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:35:42 +0000 (UTC)' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>cA Subject: Re: Installing OpenVMS on AXPPci33 - No SYS$CPU_ROUTINESn, Message-ID: <90ijue$9l5$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  C In vmsnet.alpha Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:-  D >   SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0B04.EXE contains the CPU-specific routines forF >   the platform family (0B is the AXPpci platform), and the specific  >   model (04).   I Seems to be processor type. HWRPB_CPU_TYPE$K_LCA = 4 ! Low cost Alpha akaeH 21066/68 . See SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]LIB.REQ for HWRPB_CPU_TYPE$* literals.& (and HWRPB_SYSTYPE$* systype literals)  7 >  Interestingly, I do not see model 04 in my listings.g  8 Supported Alphabook has same processor. Should be there.   By the way there is :k> literal HWRPB_CPU_TYPE$K_MANNEQUIN = 3; !  Mannequin simulator5 Does anyone know if OpenVMS 7.* can run in Mannequin?c   regardse           Osmo Kujalae   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 16:41:35 GMTw2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)A Subject: Re: Installing OpenVMS on AXPPci33 - No SYS$CPU_ROUTINESr6 Message-ID: <90j5rv$fes$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <90ijue$9l5$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes:D :In vmsnet.alpha Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote: :sE :>   SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0B04.EXE contains the CPU-specific routines for G :>   the platform family (0B is the AXPpci platform), and the specific h :>   model (04). :VJ :Seems to be processor type. HWRPB_CPU_TYPE$K_LCA = 4 ! Low cost Alpha akaI :21066/68 . See SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]LIB.REQ for HWRPB_CPU_TYPE$* literals.c' :(and HWRPB_SYSTYPE$* systype literals)w :n8 :>  Interestingly, I do not see model 04 in my listings.    4   My understanding of the assignment scheme differs.     :By the way there is :? :literal HWRPB_CPU_TYPE$K_MANNEQUIN = 3; !  Mannequin simulator 6 :Does anyone know if OpenVMS 7.* can run in Mannequin?    E   I have no idea if one of these boxes is still running.  I know that E   we have not tested OpenVMS on the simulators in a looonnnnggg time.M    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:29:19 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>MA Subject: Re: Installing OpenVMS on AXPPci33 - No SYS$CPU_ROUTINES , Message-ID: <90jc62$ehpn$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  K Hoff Hoffman wrote in message <90j5rv$fes$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...n >a >e >V >:By the way there is :M@ >:literal HWRPB_CPU_TYPE$K_MANNEQUIN = 3; !  Mannequin simulator7 >:Does anyone know if OpenVMS 7.* can run in Mannequin?e >  >eF >  I have no idea if one of these boxes is still running.  I know thatF >  we have not tested OpenVMS on the simulators in a looonnnnggg time. >e    K  Hmmm.  Don't think we had floating point on the pre-EV4 simulators or EV3.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:25:42 -0500e- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>,5 Subject: Re: Limiting =?iso-8859-1?Q?user=B4s?= logine( Message-ID: <3A2CECD5.14788369@ohio.edu>   $ MCR AUTHORIZEo UAF> HELP MODIFY/MAXJOBS   MODIFY  
   /MAXJOBS           /MAXJOBS=value  C      Specifies the maximum number of processes (interactive, batch,c@      detached, and network) with the cited user name that can be?      active simultaneously. The first four network jobs are not @      counted. By default, a user has a maximum value of 0, which$      represents an unlimited number.     You might also want to look at   MODIFY     /PRCLM           /PRCLM=value  A      Specifies the subprocess creation limit. This is the maximumw>      number of subprocesses that can exist at one time for the@      specified user's process. By default, the value is 2 on VAX$      systems and 8 on Alpha systems.  F Depending on whether you want to inhibit the SPAWN command or just the
 SET HOST 0...w  +                                         RDP      "Valdemir J. Santos" wrote:g  < >  Im needing limit users login to only one login by time.5 > example: username: testpassword:xxxxxxxx welcome totE > alpha1.... alpha1>  set host 0 username: testpassword: xxxxxxxx you < > dont have permission to login again ! control returned to@ > alpha1alpha1>  Is there any Authorizes flag to enable this  ?   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:14:58 +0400e4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>2 Subject: Re: Limiting =?UNKNOWN?Q?user=B4s?= login5 Message-ID: <15815328052.20001205121458@ncc.volga.ru>(  > On 05.12.2000 Valdemir J. Santos <valdemir-@uol.com.br> wrote:  F > I=B4m needing limit user=B4s login to only one login by time. examp= le:t   > username: test > password:xxxxxxxxs   > welcome to alpha1....S   alpha1>>  set host 0   > username: test > password: xxxxxxxx  . > you don=B4t have permission to login again !   > control returned to alpha1 alpha1>>  4 >  Is there any Authorize=B4s flag to enable this  ?    A /maxjobs=3D1. Though it limits not only interactive but detached,t batch and network jobs as well.t   --=20e   Valentin Likoum    valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 15:09:09 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: Limiting user's login?V6 Message-ID: <90j0el$e22$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  i In article <004a01c05e7a$d58729c0$8cf2bfc8@valdemir>, "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> writes:s- :This is a multi-part message in MIME format.x  G   I've tried reformatting your title and your message text to eliminate    some of the usual MIME cruft.P   E   There is usually an option in your newsreader or in your particularcE   email tool -- you appear to be using email and sending to Info-VAX,aG   so check your email tool -- that will disable the use of MIME format eB   for your messages sent to the list (and the newsgroup).  Thanks!  C :I'm needing limit user's login to only one login by time. example:m :i :username: test, :password:xxxxxxxx :d :welcome to alpha1.... :r :alpha1>  set host 0 :  :username: test? :password: xxxxxxxx  :t+ :you don't have permission to login again !- :- :control returned to alpha1- :alpha1> :h1 : Is there any Authorize's flag to enable this  ?     J   Others have pointed to the AUTHORIZE MAXJOB setting.  The other obvious J   approach here involves the addition of some simple DCL into SYLOGIN.COM.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:24:39 +0100% From: "Philip J. Lewis" <phl@bwsc.dk> ) Subject: Re: Need help, thanks in advance>/ Message-ID: <B75X5.91$jP1.2777@news.get2net.dk>   G Legacy is what Unix people say about VMS (and all IBMs op    K#TP3CZ\5@  ,o& but they never did know how to count !I Legacy is what MS people say about ALL other opersating systems, but theye never could spell.  J It is always derogatory when used in the systems sense, the implication isD that one has inherited these systems (a legacy) and is now forced toL maintain them while newer and, according to the writer/speaker/pointy haired- one, ipso facto better options are available.c  E The word is also used in database and other IT technology areas.  ThenK meaning is the same, it is always derogatory and in ALMOST ALL instances it> is not accurate.  : I would humbly suggest you drop it from your IT vocabulary   cheers  F Jennifer Tran wrote in message <3A256994.F51D6087@bms.calstate.edu>.../ >Ohhhh, thanks for the advice about my message.s >vL >In my mind, I mean well when using the word  legacy system.   I rarely hear< anyone using the word "legacy" without respect .....isn't itJ >true that precious things are  "legacy" in some way? Furthermore,  things7 were built years ago are much more durable and reliableu8 >(that's my view and it stands true in all cases...).... >=I >So, please accept my sincere apology if I offend any of you...If I don'ti> have the respect for this so-call "legacy system", I won't getL >the courage to post my message asking for help, and willingly want to learn more about the system. >o	 >Regards,t >e >J.T.  >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:51:58 -0600>+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> ) Subject: RE: Need help, thanks in advance>N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284AA4@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Philip,l  J re: legacy ... yep, I agree that its a bad word as many Customers get realH upset when you hint that those systems running their entire business are( somehow "old" and not capable any more.   K Since the UNIX architecture is older than OpenVMS, I always find it amusingi9 to hear these folks talk about OpenVMS as being "legacy".-   :-)-  G Anyway, to avoid a rat hole, I would suggest that anyone who deals with K Customers, when discussing their other systems they should refer to them asSF "existing" servers and "existing" data. Much more politically correct.  G Interesting sidenote and adds to Philip's comments .. "legacy" is beingtI applied to all 32bit servers in general by Oracle ie. their new strategico! direction is 64bit based servers.-  L <http://platforms.oracle.com/ao-pcgi-bin/getfile.htm?279303&htm> (site issue$ right now, but should be up shortly)   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantp Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660d Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----* From: Philip J. Lewis [mailto:phl@bwsc.dk] Sent: December 5, 2000 7:25 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) Subject: Re: Need help, thanks in advance-    C Legacy is what Unix people say about VMS (and all IBMs opK#TP3CZ\5@g ,u& but they never did know how to count !I Legacy is what MS people say about ALL other opersating systems, but theyd never could spell.  J It is always derogatory when used in the systems sense, the implication isD that one has inherited these systems (a legacy) and is now forced toL maintain them while newer and, according to the writer/speaker/pointy haired- one, ipso facto better options are available.r  E The word is also used in database and other IT technology areas.  TheiK meaning is the same, it is always derogatory and in ALMOST ALL instances its is not accurate.  : I would humbly suggest you drop it from your IT vocabulary   cheers  F Jennifer Tran wrote in message <3A256994.F51D6087@bms.calstate.edu>.../ >Ohhhh, thanks for the advice about my message.i > L >In my mind, I mean well when using the word  legacy system.   I rarely hear< anyone using the word "legacy" without respect .....isn't itJ >true that precious things are  "legacy" in some way? Furthermore,  things7 were built years ago are much more durable and reliablee8 >(that's my view and it stands true in all cases...).... >iI >So, please accept my sincere apology if I offend any of you...If I don'tc> have the respect for this so-call "legacy system", I won't getL >the courage to post my message asking for help, and willingly want to learn more about the system. >t	 >Regards,: >w >J.T.. >/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:55:26 -05005 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>-$ Subject: New OpenVMS  Education site6 Message-ID: <90j336$etq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G The new web site for the new OpenVMS Educational License Program is nowh
 available at:0   http://www.openvmsedu.comt  I This program makes OpenVMS licenses available to educational institutionstG (colleges, universities, high schools, etc) at no cost. This program is - patterned after the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program.tJ Once a school is registered, students, administration, and faculty can useE the School ID to request licenses (OpenVMS Base License plus over 100-. Layered Products) and receive them via E-mail.  K Please let your educational partners and customers know about this excitingdL new program.  And if you represent an educational institution, we invite you to try the site and sign up!   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 08:40:11 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)n( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS  Education site, Message-ID: <negyBG8+mHoX@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  7 In article <90j336$etq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, 08 	"Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes: >  > http://www.openvmsedu.comr > K > This program makes OpenVMS licenses available to educational institutionse9 > (colleges, universities, high schools, etc) at no cost.)  H   It's a pity they let their lawyers see to it that the program isn't ofC much use to an institution. The terms and conditions one must agreea0 to state (quoted parts Compaq's, the rest mine):  F  "Upon agreement to these terms Compaq Computer Corporation ("COMPAQ")@   grants you a limited right to use the Software Program Version;   (the "Software") specified above by a single individual."   J    Each person in the institution who will make any access to the softwareE    must individually apply for a license. Requiring every student andkD    employee to individually sign up is impractical to say the least.  tJ   "The Software may be used on a single computer solely for individual andJ   personal "technology enthusiast" purposes, personal education and study,C   or administrative use in support of the educational institution."e  G   This wording appears to specifically preclude using the software in alH   teaching environment ( it says "personal education and study" but doesE   not appear to permit the software to be used to develop and deliver    courses ).  J   "It may not be used for any commercial or business purpose, whether "for   profit" or "not for profit."  G   Developing and delivering instructional material would seem to be theEC   "business purpose" of an educational institution ( it's not clearoF   to me what the difference between the "administrative use" specifiedJ   above is and the "business purposes" explicitly excluded by this clause.D   The point is rather moot as the only "administrative use" that theC   other parts of the terms would allow is a single-user workstatione1   which is never used by more than one employee).   B   "This license is granted to a named individual at an educationalI    institution and not to any public, private or governmental institution     or entity."  F    Again, they feel compelled to point out that they require the namesH    of every individual who may have any access to the software. StrictlyH    speaking even if two employees register for licenses they can't shareC    a machine unless they unload user A's licenses and load user B'seC    every time they change over. Before anyone suggests that A and B-E    simply combine their licenses on a single machine let me point outlB    that this is specifically prohibited (see item 13 of the FAQ ).  F    "However, the Software may be copied and used on multiple computersE     that are under your control in a classroom environment, includingmI    use by multiple students who have agreed to these License Terms solely1    for instructional purposes."Y  A    This clause seems somewhat promising ( and rather inconsistant F    with what they said above ), but the "under your control" clause isE    the killer. It's apparently been so long since the phraser of thisoE    clause went to school that he/she doesn't understand how much work F    students are required to do on their own - the "under your control"D    clause rules out that possibility. It's also not clear what thoseA    students must do to signify they agree to these license terms,aF    extrapolating from the previous clauses one would assume this means>    they have to individually register for licenses themselves.  E    Note also that this situation permits "multiple computers" to have-F    copies of your license while under your control, it does not permitG    multiple users on a single system. What better way to teach studentsAF    about a multi-user operating system than by forcing them to all use$    their own single user systems :-)  F   "Your initial and ongoing eligibility for this license is subject toE    review by COMPAQ and COMPAQ may terminate this license at any timee$    upon thirty days written notice."  D     Even if you can satisfy all the above preconditions you'd betterE     not make your course dependant on using this software. Compaq canWD     yank the license at any time, even if you've faithfully followed     all their rules.   > This program is / > patterned after the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program.s  E    Actually it appears to be more patterened after the rather uselessM8 (for institutional purposes) Tru64 "Enthusiast" license.  L > Once a school is registered, students, administration, and faculty can useG > the School ID to request licenses (OpenVMS Base License plus over 100@0 > Layered Products) and receive them via E-mail. > M > Please let your educational partners and customers know about this excitingaN > new program.  And if you represent an educational institution, we invite you > to try the site and sign up! >   N    I'm sorry to sound so cynical, but I'm really disappointed in this program.I After waiting almost a year from the first suggestions it was coming it'spK disheartening to see that it really doesn't do much for an institution. The4M only thing wrong with the CSLG was that it doesn't include base licenses, butaG rather than fix that Compaq chose to develop this program. This programaL doesn't even address that problem. It's clear from the stuff above that it'sI not permitted to use the base PAK from this program along with multi-userhG PAKS from CSLG to achieve a multi-user system ( that would violate the Q$ "single, named individual" clause.)   M   I am really at a loss to understand why they bothered - doing nothing wouldfL have been better than raising our expectations and then dashing them on this hunk of layerese.   M =============================================================================-M Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.ca#H Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:11:37 -05005 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>C Subject: OpenVMS Items6 Message-ID: <90j0h0$e7k$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J Just wanted to let you know that you can now purchase OpenVMS Items off of$ the OpenVMS web site.  Please visit.  L http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectGr
 oup_ID=833   This list will be growing.   suee   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:47:04 +0000e$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk Subject: Re: OpenVMS Items/ Message-ID: <002569AC.0056B782.00@quegw01.btyp>4  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    L Just to say that this is the error message you get when following this link;   ------< This site is only accessible through the link pages found at7 WWW.OPENVMS.COMPAQ.COM or WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COM (app)  ------   Steve Spires        I "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> on 05/12/2000 03:11:37 PMv    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) L From:      "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>, 5 December 2000,            3:11 p.m.  
 OpenVMS Items         J Just wanted to let you know that you can now purchase OpenVMS Items off of$ the OpenVMS web site.  Please visit.  L http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectGr
 oup_ID=833   This list will be growing.   suei   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:54:01 +0000X$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk Subject: Re: OpenVMS Items/ Message-ID: <002569AC.005759CD.00@quegw01.btyp>E  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    K And it would appear that when trying to buy via the Compaq website, it only  accepts US addresses...s  0 The world does not end at your borders you know!   ;^D0   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesp        I "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> on 05/12/2000 03:11:37 PMr    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)=L From:      "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>, 5 December 2000,            3:11 p.m.  
 OpenVMS Items         J Just wanted to let you know that you can now purchase OpenVMS Items off of$ the OpenVMS web site.  Please visit.  L http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectGr
 oup_ID=833   This list will be growing.   sueL   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:03:49 -05005 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>< Subject: Re: OpenVMS Items6 Message-ID: <90j3it$f16$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  * Please note that the is currently US only.  A We have not forgotten everyone else but we wanted to get started.t   sue       L Sue Skonetski wrote in message <90j0h0$e7k$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...K >Just wanted to let you know that you can now purchase OpenVMS Items off of % >the OpenVMS web site.  Please visit.1 >hL >http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectG rl >oup_ID=833  >a >This list will be growing.k >@ >sue >. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:54:06 -0500o- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>j Subject: Re: OpenVMS Items( Message-ID: <3A2D0F9A.A2CDD73D@ohio.edu>   Sue,   I get:  D         This site is only accessible through the link pages found at9         WWW.OPENVMS.COMPAQ.COM or WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COMr
         (app)M  L Presumably there is a page on that site with a link to this resource.  Would% you please post the URL of that page?P  #                                 RDPo     Sue Skonetski wrote:  L > Just wanted to let you know that you can now purchase OpenVMS Items off of& > the OpenVMS web site.  Please visit. > N > http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectGr > oup_ID=833 >k > This list will be growing. >o > sueo   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:30:39 -0500t) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>i Subject: RE: OpenVMS ItemsB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A6257@and02.drc.com>  . It appears that the software requires that the- http referrer be the openvms web site.  This p5 appears to require that the "Shop the OpenVMS eStore"-% link on the OpenVMS web site be used 5! (http://www.openvms.compaq.com). i   Eric Ebinger     > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Richard D. Piccard [mailto:piccard@ohio.edu]+ > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:54 AMp > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms > Subject: Re: OpenVMS Items >  >  > Sue, >  > I get: > F >         This site is only accessible through the link pages found at; >         WWW.OPENVMS.COMPAQ.COM or WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COMn >         (app)e > > > Presumably there is a page on that site with a link to this  > resource.  Would' > you please post the URL of that page?i > % >                                 RDP, >  >  > Sue Skonetski wrote: > : > > Just wanted to let you know that you can now purchase  > OpenVMS Items off of( > > the OpenVMS web site.  Please visit. > >i > > @ > http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATI D=194&ObjectGr > oup_ID=833 >y > This list will be growing. >  > suea   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:12:30 -0700b% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>i Subject: Re: OpenVMS ItemsB Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20001205101205.00af0ec8@pop.clsp.qwest.net>  B If you try to get there that way, it says it's only accessible via' www.openvms.digital.com or .compaq.com.s  + At 08:11 AM 12/5/2000, Sue Skonetski wrote:nK >Just wanted to let you know that you can now purchase OpenVMS Items off of-% >the OpenVMS web site.  Please visit.1 >1M >http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectGrp >oup_ID=833d >c >This list will be growing.D >9 >sue   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |oI | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     | I | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |iI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:28:26 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: OpenVMS ItemsH Message-ID: <OF20F4B2E2.2F5763FC-ON802569AC.005FC232@qedi.quintiles.com>  J Whether by intent or design, you should be able to go to one of the CompaqJ pages after you get this error and then do a "Back" on your web browser to% bring up the E-Software factory page.0   RDP and others commented : >>>Sue,lD         This site is only accessible through the link pages found at9         WWW.OPENVMS.COMPAQ.COM or WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COM 
         (app)- <<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:10:50 +0000J) From: Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie>r) Subject: Pathworks...What is required???? L Message-ID: <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB011D92@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>  F In the  latest releases on the VMS, Pathworks is been release with it,G and if you buy a new box, you get two free Pathwork licenses with this.m@ It mentions is some release note that this will allow you to use Pathworks immediately.  E What else do I need,  is there a client version of Pathworks required  for the NT side?F Is is difficult to install?  Are there other licenses required for the NT side, and at what cost?   Regards,  
 Ray Phelan CORE Computer Consultants Ltd.,s! E-mail  :  ray.phelan@core-com.ieh   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:26:18 GMTc$ From: Dave Barlow <uzko@my-deja.com>1 Subject: Problems installing MQ Series on VMS 6.2 ) Message-ID: <90icbn$mcm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>A   Folks1  6 I hope some one here can help me with a small problem.  E We have MQ Series V2.2 running on a number of VAXen under VMS 6.2. WeaE tried restarting the MQ queue manager on a developement node but thiseF ACCVIO'ed with an OPCDEC error message. Our internal MQ series supportF and developers could find no problems with their sotware so we decided to re-install MQ Series.  @ After deleting the existing installation the install fails with,  6 %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set B ...6 %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set D ...' %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter valuefB %VMSINSTAL-F-UNEXPECTED, Installation terminated due to unexpected event.  E Running VMSINSTAL with verify enabled, after editing kitinstal.com, I0' found that the install script is doing,s   $MC VMI$KWD:SETDOMAIN_D 1000002j  B Which fails with %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value. Manually# running this executable also fails.e  G Any one seen this specific error or know a solution. Thanks in advance.    Dave Barlowv    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 09:08:43 -0500c9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Problems installing MQ Series on VMS 6.2t+ Message-ID: <Wzr+AgnrA3Sx@eisner.decus.org>c  P In article <90icbn$mcm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Dave Barlow <uzko@my-deja.com> writes:  G > We have MQ Series V2.2 running on a number of VAXen under VMS 6.2. WesG > tried restarting the MQ queue manager on a developement node but thisdH > ACCVIO'ed with an OPCDEC error message. Our internal MQ series support  G ACCVIO and OPCDEC are two separate faults.  Are you saying you got themm9 both in the same signal, or were they successive events ?e  H > and developers could find no problems with their sotware so we decided > to re-install MQ Series.  H That is a Microsoftian approach to the problem, and rarely helps on VMS.  B > After deleting the existing installation the install fails with, > 8 > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set B ...8 > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set D ...) > %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter valueaD > %VMSINSTAL-F-UNEXPECTED, Installation terminated due to unexpected > event. > G > Running VMSINSTAL with verify enabled, after editing kitinstal.com, Ie) > found that the install script is doing,t > ! > $MC VMI$KWD:SETDOMAIN_D 1000002r > D > Which fails with %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value. Manually% > running this executable also fails.   E Please tell the vendor of SETDOMAIN_D.EXE to learn how to use chaineds6 messages, such that the error would be something like:  , 	%SETDOMAIN-F-CALLENQ, error calling SYS$ENQ3 	-SETDOMAIN-I-CONTEXT, during setup for WOMBAT modea( 	-SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value  / That would help them solve your problem sooner.p  I > Any one seen this specific error or know a solution. Thanks in advance.   M Even if someone does know an answer, please get the vendor to fix their code.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 10:51:26 +0100e* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???* Message-ID: <3a2cba9e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  _ In article <fvwtVsrRrFj1@eisner.decus.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes:vc >In article <RdUW5.972$Vu1.20546@ozemail.com.au>, "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> writes:nG >> I think the upgrade for ucx/tcpip v5.0 to v5.0a fixed telnet relatedv >> problems. >> Philv >sJ >Are you saying this is a known TCPIP V5.0 problem? We had NO problems forG >about 18months, then the past coupe months it's poped up on at least 3 ) >systems. Or is this just a stock answer?o  K There is a known TELNET server problem (AFAIK with type negotiation leadingsE to and endless loop consuming most CPU time) with TCPIP V5.0 (V5.0-9)d@ and TCPIP V5.0A (V5.0-10). It is fixed in TCPIP V5.0A (V5.0-11).4 Note the difference between TCPIP V5.0A and V5.0A !!  : It seems, ECO1 for V5.0A expects V5.0-11 to be applied to.. And you most likely want to install ECO1 ASAP.  E This known TELNET server problem _may_ relate to your problem, but itc) seems, the only one to find out is you...n   -- u< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:18:10 GMTa, From: SANFACE Software <sanface@sanface.com> Subject: SHAREWARE: txt2pdf 4.2t) Message-ID: <90i8c1$ikk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  5 txt2pdf is a very flexible and powerful PERL5 programn@ (5 penguins at LinuxBerg, 5 cows at TuCows Mac, BeOS and PSION).5 It's a converter from text files to PDF format files.  Why do you need txt2pdf?% Most of your documents are text filestF Usually, your reports from legacy applications, DBs, ERP applications, datawarehouse are textualwG txt2pdf is a PERL5 script, so you can use it in every operating systemsa supported by PERL5,o: if you prefer we distribute also executables for these OS: Windows,Linux,Solaris,G AIX,HP-UX,FreeBSD. 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 We trust you. $ You can test text2pdf and modify it.E You can't use a modify version of txt2pdf for production purpose. Youp+ can't resell txt2pdf or a modify version ofy* it without SANFACE Software authorization.C You can't copy part of it to include in your source without SANFACEr Software authorization.o   What's new in this version   rotate feature> pstoepd ( http://epd.sourceforge.net/pstoepd.html ): with this contributed program younD can now convert a PostScript design to EPD. See the PostScript tiger inside1 a http://www.sanface.com/epdtest.pdf PDF documentr2 Visual_txt2pdf 1.1 inside the Windows distribution   Test txt2pdf 4.2!t) You can find it at http://www.sanface.comu     -- SANFACE Software= Your technology glasses. We help you see your full potential.t http://www.sanface.com mailto:sanface@sanface.com% WAP       http://www.sanface.com/wap/a! i-mode  http://www.sanface.com/i/y    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 07:57:16 -0300=) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br= Subject: Sun ClusterL Message-ID: <OFA053F948.619B0B3A-ON032569AC.003C158D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H There=B4s a news in CNET about the new Sun Cluster, comparisons with HP=  and IBM, but no OpenVMS-    H http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3995209.html?tag=3Dst.ne.1002.thed= .nin   Regardsc   FC=o   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 14:09:22 +0100m* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Sun Cluster( Message-ID: <3a2ce902@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <OFA053F948.619B0B3A-ON032569AC.003C158D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:J >There's a news in CNET about the new Sun Cluster, comparisons with HP and >IBM, but no OpenVMS >eK >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3995209.html?tag=3Dst.ne.1002.thed.niD   Why are you surprised ?gG Did you really think, that what Q said to _some_ of its customers ("oh,iF haven't you heard, VMS is _not_ dead, [yet] ?") will revert the damageD that DEC (and COMPAQ too) - and not the competition - did to VMS for the last six years ?  G Only if Q is _really_ willing to extend the VMS community and proves it H not only with new products (remember, VMS engineering has never been theH problem so far) but also with ads (not the nebulous nonstop ads with x86I proliants, eg. ad campaigns about what a real cluster is and who invented@G it,...) and marketing (eg. with a _lot_ of comparision charts where VMS E is not missing, eg. with talks to the trade press all over the world,tD eg. with a _lot_ of surveys where VMS is not missing at the opsys of6 choice...) there is a small chance for VMS to survive.  D All other is the slow dead of VMS and Q customers (as already provedE the last years, they won't buy any other DEC/COMPAQ products anymore)pG because in the head of the most PHMs/MGMs VMS died already years ago....   -- D< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:06:07 GMTe) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> * Subject: TCPware/Purveyor Problem - Part 2; Message-ID: <PS4X5.36953$i%4.1050544@news20.bellglobal.com>s   O.K.  E So after some hacking I've discovered that the only way to get SYSUAF K authorization to work with "sample_auth_vax.dll" is to write a batch job tohF update file "Purveyor$Hidden.GAC" for the associated "virtual server".  G Does anyone know if this solution is correct? I just assumed that thereI: would be a special (seventh?) entry one could make in file/ "Purveyor$Hidden.GAC" like "Allow-SYSUAF-only".u  G On a related note, when (if ever) will Process Software be placing this.L unsupported program into the public domain so that bit-heads can add desiredD features like the one I just suggested. Alternatively, they could doJ everyone a favor by adding a few feature enhancements to Purveyor but only5 make them available via download from their web site.i  
 Neil Rieck Bell-ICS, Bell Canada  mailto:neil.rieck@bell.cao mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.cao  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message5 news:%EtW5.39476$2A2.1896685@news20.bellglobal.com...D > Folks, > J > I've got a problem enabling a feature in Purveyor 2.1 with TCPware 5.4-3 on	 > OpenVMS-G > 7.2 and require some help from someone who's been here before becausei	 > ProcesscJ > Software no longer supports this product. (BTW, I haven't contacted them > about this; yet...)e >  > What I've Done So Farl > ================G > 1. I'm trying to enable SYSUAF based user authentication (we have 150I usersO
 > and want/ >     them to use their own id's and passwords) E > 2. I've added a second realm to Purveyor which references DLL file:aG >     "purveyor_root:[PURVEYOR.SAMPLES.SCRIPTS.DLL]sample_auth_vax.dll" C > 3. I've added a secondary IP address to the machine and it works. J > 4. I've added a virtual server which references the second realm and the > secondary IP% > 5. I've enabled logging and tracing  >u > My Problem > =========iF > I can't get Purveyor to bring up a username/password prompt unless I enable > an access=I > control list for the home directory of the second realm. I'm using file ? > PURVEYOR$HIDDEN.GAC which contains the following single line:s& >     Allow-user: *,SYSTEM,*,new_realm > L > When I do this, I enter a "SYSUAF valid" username/password but my login is	 > bounced0/ > ONLY by the rule for the access control list.c >iK > Inspecting the log files proves that the DLL is working and the SYSUAF is6 > being testedK > because entering a bad username/password pair fails authentication in thee > log but enteringK > a valid username/password passed in the log. However, the rule for accessM > control list; > PURVEYOR$HIDDEN.GAC fires and the page access is bounced.  >-
 > Question > ======H > Does anyone know how to bring up a username/password prompt without an > accessF > control list. I've gone over the manuals a dozen times. Am I missing > something here?u >  > Neil Rieck > Bell-ICS, Bell Canadas > mailto:neil.rieck@bell.cal > mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.caW >P >M >O   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:45:56 GMTt) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>t- Subject: Re: TCPware/Purveyor Problem Part #2 ; Message-ID: <Uz4X5.36876$i%4.1050102@news20.bellglobal.com>,   O.K.  E So after some hacking I've discovered that the only way to get SYSUAFnK authorization to work with "sample_auth_vax.dll" is to write a batch job toiF update file "Purveyor$Hidden.GAC" for the associated "virtual server".  G Does anyone know if this solution is correct? I just assumed that there : would be a special (seventh?) entry one could make in file/ "Purveyor$Hidden.GAC" like "Allow-SYSUAF-only".   G On a related note, when (if ever) will Process Software be placing this L unsupported program into the public domain so that bit-heads can add desiredD features like the one I just suggested. Alternatively, they could doJ everyone a favor by adding a few feature enhancements to Purveyor but only5 make them available via download from their web site.1  
 Neil Rieck Bell-ICS, Bell Canadaf mailto:neil.rieck@bell.caw mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.cab  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message5 news:%EtW5.39476$2A2.1896685@news20.bellglobal.com...t > Folks, >wJ > I've got a problem enabling a feature in Purveyor 2.1 with TCPware 5.4-3 on	 > OpenVMS1G > 7.2 and require some help from someone who's been here before becausej	 > ProcesspJ > Software no longer supports this product. (BTW, I haven't contacted them > about this; yet...)- >- > What I've Done So Far- > ================G > 1. I'm trying to enable SYSUAF based user authentication (we have 150i usersi
 > and want/ >     them to use their own id's and passwords) E > 2. I've added a second realm to Purveyor which references DLL file:iG >     "purveyor_root:[PURVEYOR.SAMPLES.SCRIPTS.DLL]sample_auth_vax.dll" C > 3. I've added a secondary IP address to the machine and it works.-J > 4. I've added a virtual server which references the second realm and the > secondary IP% > 5. I've enabled logging and tracing: >e > My Problem > =========2F > I can't get Purveyor to bring up a username/password prompt unless I enable > an accesssI > control list for the home directory of the second realm. I'm using filed? > PURVEYOR$HIDDEN.GAC which contains the following single line: & >     Allow-user: *,SYSTEM,*,new_realm >:L > When I do this, I enter a "SYSUAF valid" username/password but my login is	 > bounced / > ONLY by the rule for the access control list.  > K > Inspecting the log files proves that the DLL is working and the SYSUAF is0 > being testedK > because entering a bad username/password pair fails authentication in theq > log but enteringK > a valid username/password passed in the log. However, the rule for accesse > control list; > PURVEYOR$HIDDEN.GAC fires and the page access is bounced.b >a
 > Question > ======H > Does anyone know how to bring up a username/password prompt without an > accessF > control list. I've gone over the manuals a dozen times. Am I missing > something here?  >P > Neil Rieck > Bell-ICS, Bell Canadas > mailto:neil.rieck@bell.cae > mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.caf >t >  >s   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:02:11 -0500 (EST)sQ From: Ira Melamed - Database Administrator <MELAMEIS@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU>,- Subject: Re: TCPware/Purveyor Problem Part #2u< Message-ID: <01JXC92RDQ2Q8ZHRP6@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU>   Neil R.s  J I have been using Purveyor to authenticate against SYSUAF for over a year.  / I am using PURVEYOR$HIDDEN.VAC files not *.GAC.2  F We use two methods. In the first method I grant a rights identifier toE each user that I want to have access. My PURVEYOR$HIDDEN.VAC for thisD configuration is:u  - Allow-group: *,<rights identifier>,*,Intranetd Reject-group: *,*,*,Intranet  D The second method is per specific user - instructors use this methodD on a sub-dir for each one of their classs  - the PURVEYOR$HIDDEN.VAC for this method is:s  # Allow-user: *,<username>,*,Intranetn  4 (FYI - "Intranet" is the name of my PURVEYOR realm.)  G Its been a while since I set this up, but I remember a lot of trial andtG error. I also remember having to edit the configuration database files,tN by hand. I could not get exactly what I wanted using Remote Server Management.H If you have not already done so I would suggest you take a look at thoseH files. They are constructed along the lines of Windows registry exports.H Compare the default realm with your new realm - you might find some good information by doing this.  I Also, I assume you are using the port number of your new realm in the URL:L and that you need to stop/start the server each time you change a .VAC file.  G Hope some of this helps. Let me know if you still have problems, I haveS9 some notes burried in the archives that I could dig-up....  "                                 im  G ps: I also would like to see Process either get this software back into.J production, or place the code into the public domain. I could put togetherB a short list of enhancements that I would love to see implemented.  ( pps: There is a small PURVEYOR releated.)      Send a SUBSCRIBE PURVEYOR messge to: #      LISTSERV@CJIS.CI.LINCOLN.NE.US     H >On a related note, when (if ever) will Process Software be placing thisM >unsupported program into the public domain so that bit-heads can add desiredcE >features like the one I just suggested. Alternatively, they could dotK >everyone a favor by adding a few feature enhancements to Purveyor but onlyn6 >make them available via download from their web site.  K ===========================================================================N  8 From:	IN%"INFO-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM"  5-DEC-2000 07:36:19.76" To:	IN%"INFO-VAX@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU" CC:	* Subj:	RE: TCPware/Purveyor Problem Part #2   O.K.  E So after some hacking I've discovered that the only way to get SYSUAF0K authorization to work with "sample_auth_vax.dll" is to write a batch job toyF update file "Purveyor$Hidden.GAC" for the associated "virtual server".  G Does anyone know if this solution is correct? I just assumed that thereo: would be a special (seventh?) entry one could make in file/ "Purveyor$Hidden.GAC" like "Allow-SYSUAF-only".o  G On a related note, when (if ever) will Process Software be placing this L unsupported program into the public domain so that bit-heads can add desiredD features like the one I just suggested. Alternatively, they could doJ everyone a favor by adding a few feature enhancements to Purveyor but only5 make them available via download from their web site.s  
 Neil Rieck Bell-ICS, Bell CanadaR mailto:neil.rieck@bell.caF mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.cag  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message5 news:%EtW5.39476$2A2.1896685@news20.bellglobal.com...a > Folks, >wJ > I've got a problem enabling a feature in Purveyor 2.1 with TCPware 5.4-3 on	 > OpenVMSyG > 7.2 and require some help from someone who's been here before becausef	 > Process J > Software no longer supports this product. (BTW, I haven't contacted them > about this; yet...)  >b > What I've Done So Far, > ================G > 1. I'm trying to enable SYSUAF based user authentication (we have 150n users 
 > and want/ >     them to use their own id's and passwords)oE > 2. I've added a second realm to Purveyor which references DLL file:IG >     "purveyor_root:[PURVEYOR.SAMPLES.SCRIPTS.DLL]sample_auth_vax.dll"VC > 3. I've added a secondary IP address to the machine and it works.sJ > 4. I've added a virtual server which references the second realm and the > secondary IP% > 5. I've enabled logging and tracingp >l > My Problem > =========bF > I can't get Purveyor to bring up a username/password prompt unless I enable > an access I > control list for the home directory of the second realm. I'm using file ? > PURVEYOR$HIDDEN.GAC which contains the following single line:p& >     Allow-user: *,SYSTEM,*,new_realm > L > When I do this, I enter a "SYSUAF valid" username/password but my login is	 > bouncedu/ > ONLY by the rule for the access control list.a ><K > Inspecting the log files proves that the DLL is working and the SYSUAF isk > being testedK > because entering a bad username/password pair fails authentication in thet > log but enteringK > a valid username/password passed in the log. However, the rule for accesst > control list; > PURVEYOR$HIDDEN.GAC fires and the page access is bounced.s >l
 > Question > ======H > Does anyone know how to bring up a username/password prompt without an > accessF > control list. I've gone over the manuals a dozen times. Am I missing > something here?p >e > Neil Rieck > Bell-ICS, Bell Canadae > mailto:neil.rieck@bell.ca, > mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.ca  >d >  >s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:08:14 +0000e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com( Subject: Re: Two hosts sharing RA systemH Message-ID: <OF4DEEF704.F536E4D6-ON802569AC.0040F54C@qedi.quintiles.com>  J One of the clusters uses three HSZ70 pairs whilst the other uses a pair ofK HSZ50s and a pair of HSZ40s.  They are each strung between two AlphaServers J using either KZPBAs in the hosts (on the HSZ70s) or KZPSAs (on the 40s and 50s).a  K Each of the hosts has a Y-cable on the adapter card so that the host can be:K powered down and the SCSI cable disconnected without breaking the SCSI bus.t  F I've not done any work with shared systems, although reading the HSZ70H manuals it does appear to support this to some extent.  I'm not sure howB well it works.  It also comments on Passthrough devices where SCSIE information just gets passed to the device on the daughter bus of theuK controller rather than being interpreted by the HSZ.  The examples it givesdK are specifically for tapes, but I was still under the impression that tapesoA could not be on a shared SCSI bus under VMS due to the tape driveo@ interpreting a bus reset as a rewind command.  Any ideas anyone?   Steve.   Taki Pioy asked:H >>>> p.s. Shared SCSI is great for systems that want a shared disk-farm. I'mnH > using some on my present production systems.  The only problem is that youi7 > can't do the same with tapes due to bus-reset issues.a >   7 What kind of hardware does these systems use and share? ) No RA450/HSZ50 in there somewhere? :-)<<<h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:27:09 GMTd% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> ( Subject: Re: Two hosts sharing RA system) Message-ID: <90j1g6$68q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   H In article <OF4DEEF704.F536E4D6-ON802569AC.0040F54C@qedi.quintiles.com>,#   steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:p >4D > One of the clusters uses three HSZ70 pairs whilst the other uses a& > pair of HSZ50s and a pair of HSZ40s.  E 'pair' = 2 controller modules in the same controller shelf, I assume?a  F > They are each strung between two AlphaServers using either KZPBAs in; > the hosts (on the HSZ70s) or KZPSAs (on the 40s and 50s).y >bF > Each of the hosts has a Y-cable on the adapter card so that the hostF > can be powered down and the SCSI cable disconnected without breaking > the SCSI bus.O  	 Oh. Good!B2 Some people leave them out to 'save' some money...  H > I've not done any work with shared systems, although reading the HSZ70F > manuals it does appear to support this to some extent.  I'm not sure > how well it works.  F I haven't either, but you can only run standalone systems XOR a singleE cluster with such a configuration. OpenVMS exchanges some informationE via the SCSI HBAs.  F An Ultra-SCSI HUB can be used for some isolation (it can mess with the2 arbitration and provides different SCSI segments).  E > It also comments on Passthrough devices where SCSI information just A > gets passed to the device on the daughter bus of the controllereF > rather than being interpreted by the HSZ.  The examples it gives areC > specifically for tapes, but I was still under the impression thattC > tapes could not be on a shared SCSI bus under VMS due to the tapeS5 > drive interpreting a bus reset as a rewind command.D  ; Well, you can connect the HSZ to a single node, can you ;-)    > Any ideas anyone?   G Other systems have the same problem, by the way. You cannot mix primaryoC (disks) and secondary (tapes) storage on a Fibre Channel Arbitratede7 Loop Hub. The loop initialization also causes problems.s   > Steve. >6 > Taki Pioy asked:E > >>>> p.s. Shared SCSI is great for systems that want a shared disk-aD > > farm. I'm using some on my present production systems.  The onlyE > > problem is that you can't do the same with tapes due to bus-reseta > > issues.v > 9 > What kind of hardware does these systems use and share?i+ > No RA450/HSZ50 in there somewhere? :-)<<<t   --
 Uwe Zessin3 (If you want to send mail, please use user "zessin"t/ who lives at "decus.decus.de", not my-deja.com)c    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:24:24 +0000   From: steven.reece@QUINTILES.COM( Subject: Re: Two hosts sharing RA systemH Message-ID: <OFF3967582.3BABF4C8-ON802569AC.005F3A69@qedi.quintiles.com>  : Uwe Zessin (zessin at my dash deja dot com) wrote/quoted :  K >>>In article <OF4DEEF704.F536E4D6-ON802569AC.0040F54C@qedi.quintiles.com>, #   steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:. > D > One of the clusters uses three HSZ70 pairs whilst the other uses a& > pair of HSZ50s and a pair of HSZ40s.  H 'pair' = 2 controller modules in the same controller shelf, I assume?<<<  : Yes.  The "pairs" are dual redundant pairs of controllers.    H >>>> It also comments on Passthrough devices where SCSI information justA > gets passed to the device on the daughter bus of the controllertF > rather than being interpreted by the HSZ.  The examples it gives areC > specifically for tapes, but I was still under the impression thatlC > tapes could not be on a shared SCSI bus under VMS due to the tapeu5 > drive interpreting a bus reset as a rewind command.s  A Well, you can connect the HSZ to a single node, can you ;-)   <<<l  G Yes, but if you've enough spare SCSI interfaces of the appropriate typePG then it's probably better to hang the tapes directly off the host.  The F SCSI bus doesn't have contention issues with itself during backups....   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:29:09 +0100a/ From: Marc Van den Eynden <system@dnet.atea.be>l  Subject: UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP ???, Message-ID: <3A2D25E5.35983143@dnet.atea.be>   Hi all,e  5 How can I find out which printcap entry is too long ?s/ Is there some sort of DEBUG logical I can set ?c  
 All I get is:o   1. This OPCOM message:  " Message from user INTERnet on xxxx5 INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status == %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP  G 2. Contents of a lot of UCX$LPD_RCV_STARTUP.LOG files (a new one each 5  seconds)  	 $       !  $       ! Run receiver.s	 $       ! & $       run sys$system:ucx$lpd_rcv.exe  D %%%%%%%%%%%%                    5-DEC-2000 17:17:48.84  %%%%%%%%%%%%- %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP, Printcap entry too long   - %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP, Printcap entry too longs8   UCX_LPD      job terminated at  5-DEC-2000 17:17:48.87   -------m If it matters: d  F This is DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS AXP Version V4.0 - ECO Level 52   on a AlphaServer 1000 4/266 running OpenVMS V6.2 -------p   TIA, Marc.   5 (I know, I should upgrade to v5.x, but until then ??)r     -- s Marc Van den Eyndeng   Siemens Business Services  p/a Siemens Atea, Atealaan 34n B-2200 Herentals, Belgiumr  8 # Above message 100% recyclable, if *you* do not print #   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:14:36 +02000 From: "Teijo Forsell" <teijo.forsell@compaq.com>$ Subject: Re: UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP ???6 Message-ID: <90j7pj$g25$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Hi,a  L That happens when "someothernode" is sending print jobs to "this" node for aI queue that does not exist in the UCX$LPD_PRINTCAP file on this machine. I K have successfully used "tcptrace/port=local=515" on "this" node to see what F is the queue name that the "someothernode" is trying to send a job to.   Regards, Teijoh  < "Marc Van den Eynden" <system@dnet.atea.be> wrote in message& news:3A2D25E5.35983143@dnet.atea.be...	 > Hi all,  >l7 > How can I find out which printcap entry is too long ?l1 > Is there some sort of DEBUG logical I can set ?  >- > All I get is:- >- > 1. This OPCOM message: >0$ > Message from user INTERnet on xxxx7 > INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status =e > %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP >4I > 2. Contents of a lot of UCX$LPD_RCV_STARTUP.LOG files (a new one each 5n
 > seconds) >e > $       !l > $       ! Run receiver.r > $       !r( > $       run sys$system:ucx$lpd_rcv.exe >tF > %%%%%%%%%%%%                    5-DEC-2000 17:17:48.84  %%%%%%%%%%%%/ > %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP, Printcap entry too longs >r/ > %UCX-F-LPD_LONGPRCAP, Printcap entry too longi: >   UCX_LPD      job terminated at  5-DEC-2000 17:17:48.87 >C	 > -------o > If it matters: >nH > This is DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS AXP Version V4.0 - ECO Level 54 >   on a AlphaServer 1000 4/266 running OpenVMS V6.2	 > -------d >s > TIA, > Marc.k >h7 > (I know, I should upgrade to v5.x, but until then ??)r >e >f > -- > Marc Van den Eyndene >n > Siemens Business Services  > p/a Siemens Atea, Atealaan 34f > B-2200 Herentals, BelgiumR >k: > # Above message 100% recyclable, if *you* do not print #   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:54:11 +0000 (UTC)  From: mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid% Subject: Re: Unibus and Q bus aka Q22'* Message-ID: <90ivij$mql$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au>  - Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:    : Ah, how soon they forget...e  $ .... how to use their newsreaders :)  1 Go on Paul, tell me that Gnus meant to do that :)W   D.   -- oI David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) =   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:26:34 +01006 From: "Martin Knoblauch" <martin.knoblauch@compaq.com> Subject: Re: US Constitution6 Message-ID: <90icc5$9o0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  0 "Anders Eklof" <andekl@saaf.se> wrote in message, news:1el4rii.hccwn8mel5b0N%andekl@saaf.se...( > Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote: > D > This adds to the impression of the world's largest (or greastest?)I > democracy consistently has a participation under - or just barely abovee> > 50 % - in elections, while most other countries have 70-80%.  J     while you are right with most of your points, I think you overestimateK election participation in "most other countries". The 50 +/- in the US doesAI not seem to be very unusual. In Germany we are happy if we get 60% of then couches.  B > And then they have the boldness to "teach" other countries (e.g.5 > Nicaragua and El Salvador) democracy from gunpoint.s >o  !  here of course you are right :-)g   Martin   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:29:41 GMT % From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)a Subject: Re: US Constitution0 Message-ID: <3a2ccd79.89923322@news.newsguy.com>  B On 4 Dec 2000 14:06:21 -0500, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) wrote:    9 >	Boldness?  How about the boldness to come and spill our ; >	blood - TWICE on European soil to halt German aggression.d; >	Think about the implications of "what might have been" ift9 >	we hadn't the BOLDNESS to jump in the European theatre.   F Not until Pearl Harbour did a majority of Americans agree that that US? should get involved in World War 2. The UK is still paying back-E financial debts to the US for being forced to fund the entire WesterneD effort against the Axis powers for the first couple of years. The UKD effectively stood alone as all the other European powers fell to theE Nazis. It was because Hitler believed that the US would not take partnB in a European land war that he invaded Russia. Without the EasternA Front it would have been far harder for the Allied Powers to havenC retaken Europe. It is likely that an eventual negotiated halt wouldn> have come to the war with Britain remaining the only free (butA extremely weakened country in Europe. A couple of years later theoE Germans woud have had nuclear weapons plus the V3 capable of reachingoE US cities. Had the US not entered the war the Manhattan Project mightR> well have been delayed to the point that the Germans got there first...  D As for superpowers. Yes the US is the only remaining real SuperpowerB but Russia, China, UK and France all have enough submarine or landE launched ballistic warheads to virtually wipe out the planet on their C own. At a minimum with no warning the UK for example can target 128nF individual high yield H bombs virtually anywhere in the world. Given a@ little warning this number could triple. Given even more warningB cruise missiles could be modified to carry nuclear warheads and/or7 aircraft dropped nukes could be quickly re-constructed.l  ( But now we are really getting off topic!   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 08:35:44 -0500c, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: US Constitution+ Message-ID: <ZO3uI0MHdZMK@eisner.decus.org>   h In article <OF01E8005B.A30F81DA-ON882569AB.006C5BCD@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:  I > Damn it, I'm not trying to insult anyone but I'm REALLY sick of the waye1 > American society and Hollywood rewrite history o  C Just because they left out the Soviet contribution to WWII?  Or the 5 American invasions of the Soviet Union prior to WWII?R  A You can insult Hollywood all you like, just don't attack France's C decisions to send us that big lady in the harbor or to make certaint4 graveyards on the Normandy coast American territory.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationn= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupmE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:28:17 +0000:8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: RE: US ConstitutionL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FFD@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  L The USA only entered WWI and WWII after direct acts of aggression and not toG come to the aid of any particular ally. The USA was also one of the feweJ countries to profit economically from WWII. The USA is the World's largestG polluter of the Atmosphere and does the least to rectify that situationeK because it would have an adverse impact on the economy. The USA is the onlyrJ democratic country which cannot conduct a democratic election - unless youE count an election where every ballot paper cannot be counted as beingtF democratic. The USA has crippled the economies of many small CaribbeanB countries to allow the continued expansion of its own already hugeJ fruit-growing companies. The perception from outside the USA is that money$ counts but people (and votes) don't.   John o  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:14:10 GMTr% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)o Subject: Re: US Constitution1 Message-ID: <3a2d101d.106982973@news.newsguy.com>   5 On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:26:34 +0100, "Martin Knoblauch"I$ <martin.knoblauch@compaq.com> wrote:   >n1 >"Anders Eklof" <andekl@saaf.se> wrote in messageh- >news:1el4rii.hccwn8mel5b0N%andekl@saaf.se...I) >> Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote:r >>E >> This adds to the impression of the world's largest (or greastest?)mJ >> democracy consistently has a participation under - or just barely above? >> 50 % - in elections, while most other countries have 70-80%.h >eK >    while you are right with most of your points, I think you overestimatelL >election participation in "most other countries". The 50 +/- in the US doesJ >not seem to be very unusual. In Germany we are happy if we get 60% of the	 >couches.t  B It is also interesting that this US election reversed the downwardD trend in voting numbers. That's almost got lost in all.the noise butE somehow the US did reverse its disturbing (but in common with most of E the world) downward trend. In other words despite (as the media would @ have it) two uninspiring candidates the electorate turned out in> larger numbers than any election in the prior decade. And willF probably turn out in even larger numbers next time. That can only be a good thing,p  C >> And then they have the boldness to "teach" other countries (e.g.t6 >> Nicaragua and El Salvador) democracy from gunpoint.  = Since US intervention in Columbia began, including specialist D equipment to track down the leaders of the cartels, suppport for theC err,,, democratic governments etc. Cocaine production has soared toeB record levels, murder rates at record levels, US funding at recordB levels. As I stated before there seems to be a case in the US (andB elsewhere to be fair but the US is the most powerful country) thatB "this is the way we do things". Despite its critics the US is moreE often than not right in my opinion but when wrong just ignores issuesoA whether they be election procedures or rebounding foreign policy,sF space probes using metric and imperial, global warming etc. etc. untilE it really gets smacked in the face. European countries are maybe only D a *little* better at avoiding this because we've been smacked in theE face more often in the past... The US behaves much like the UK at thel3 height of Empire and perhaps that's not surprising.e  " > here of course you are right :-) >l >Martina >g   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:31:17 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.como Subject: Re: US ConstitutionD Message-ID: <OF3F8018B2.748F469C-ON882569AC.0064A1FF@foundation.com>  K I have full respect for everyone who fought, regardless of nationality. I'mpK not claiming America didn't make a massive contribution. My problem is with D the way it's all been portrayed since - neglecting to give credit toK everyone else. The American tendancy to forget that Britain fought, and theoB Russians, and the Canadians, and the exiled Polish, and the FrenchJ resistance, and many more. I object to only American soldiers appearing inH saving private Ryan, U571 supposedly capturing the first enigma machine,I the heartfelt but mistaken belief that America won the war single handed.o? There are British graveyards in France, too. Don't forget that.-   Shane           2 koehler@eisner.decus.org on 12/05/2000 05:35:44 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComT cc:s   Subject:  Re: US Constitution     D In article <OF01E8005B.A30F81DA-ON882569AB.006C5BCD@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:t  I > Damn it, I'm not trying to insult anyone but I'm REALLY sick of the wayp0 > American society and Hollywood rewrite history  C Just because they left out the Soviet contribution to WWII?  Or thel5 American invasions of the Soviet Union prior to WWII?t  A You can insult Hollywood all you like, just don't attack France'srC decisions to send us that big lady in the harbor or to make certain 4 graveyards on the Normandy coast American territory.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupgE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying'   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:04:36 -0500s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)IL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0512000204370001@user-2ivecjc.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <3A2C7904.F4C89E87@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:i   > Bob Koehler wrote:I > > The Constitution grants the selecting of Presidential electors to theeC > > state legislatures, all of which have passed laws relating thataL > > selection to popular vote and dictating the process by which the popularK > > vote shall procede.  Someone has to have the authority to enforce thoseeL > > laws (the executive branch), and someone has to have the power to review3 > > actions to see if they meet the legal standard.  > P > But the USA supreme court today announced that they were essentially unable toO > rule on whether the Florida supreme court was within its rights/juristdictioni% > to do what it was accused of doing.    Yes, and they gave their reasons:  The FL court decision was such a muddle they couldn't understand the "reasoning".  They essentially gave the FL court a do-over.   P > Also, one Florida court refused hand counts because they said that it would beN > unfair to use a different standard on only parts of Florida, yet, they allowK > each county to select their own technology, thus offering wide variety ofm2 > standards/technologies inside of a single state.  MHmm.  The court didn't exactly _allow_ this variety of technologies.  They recognized that existing law gives the counties authority to make these decisions (what machines to use, the details of the counting standards).  There's a big difference between the court making rules, and the court recognizing laws made by the legislature.n  P > In Canada's recent election, there was one seat which was contested, a recountJ > was done and the runner-up ended up winning the seat. It was done in theL > matter of a couple of days, no lawsuits, no courts involved. Why ? BecauseP > there are clear national standards and procedures on how this is accomplished.   There are pretty clear standards in FL also.  A certain faction is seeking to change those standards.  No, the standards are not perfectly uniform across the state, but they are well-established.n  eOf course, we had many close elections this year, and many of them were recounted.  Virtually all _could_ have been taken to court, but almost none were.  I think the reasons have more to do with the character of the folks involved than with details of the laws and regulations.  L > It seems to me that the US election systems are like the tower of Babel. AK > huge collection of different and incompatible systems, and when somethingaP > breaks, all hell breaks loose because nobody can see the big picture, not even6 > the supreme court, since everything is so localised.  " Different, yes.  Incompatible, no.  It does not appear that anything "broke" this time.  The fraction of ballots that were "uncountable" in FL was consistent with other states, and with past elections in FL.  A significant number of voters deliberately leave the ballot blank for one or more contests.  There's nothing novel about not counting those ballots.  And there are always some folks who botch their ballot and don't ask for a fresh one.  They don't count; no surprise there either.  b What fraction of ballots in Canada are typically undervoted, or spoiled, or otherwise uncountable?   P > The one interesting tidbit I learned is that those votomatic "machines" are inM > fact like 3-hole paper punches. The "chads" accumulate in the box under theDL > punch, and the chads accumulate under the holes and if the contained isn'tM > emptied regularly, it may become difficult to punch a hole because there is  > nowhere for the chad to go.   C Not that anyone offered any evidence that this actually happened...a   -- 1 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comI   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:19:22 GMT % From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)u= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)a0 Message-ID: <3a2cbff7.86465070@news.newsguy.com>  E On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:04:36 -0500, rdeininger@mindspring.com (RobertD Deininger) wrote:2B retty clear standards in FL also.  A certain faction is seeking toD change those standards.  No, the standards are not perfectly uniform0 across the state, but they are well-established. > >Of course, we had many close elections this year, and many of them were recounted.  Virtually all _could_ have been taken to court, but almost none were.  I think the reasons have more to do with the character of the folks involved than with details of the laws and regulations.   D Do not forget that the Republicans only dropped their last challengeC against Kennedy in an election not as close as this one on the 17thiE December 1960. Neither side wants to promote this point at the momentUB as it weakens the Republican argument that the Democrats should doF what's best for the country and stop now as they themselves argued forE a long time. It would also set a date where the pressure would becomenE enormous on the Democrats if they were still arguing December 17th ineD that history shows that Nixon gave up challenges for the good of the= country on that date and so the Democrats should do the same.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:13:35 GMTt% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)r= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)E0 Message-ID: <3a2cbb00.85193702@news.newsguy.com>  , On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 00:12:00 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:n    K >It seems to me that the US election systems are like the tower of Babel. A J >huge collection of different and incompatible systems, and when somethingO >breaks, all hell breaks loose because nobody can see the big picture, not evena7 >the supreme court, since everything is so localised.  s  E It was interesting as well that the Circuit Court Judge when throwing-D out the Gore case yesterday said in his judgement that the Gore teamB had, in his view, established a possibility that Gore actually wonB Florida but did not establish a probability that this was the caseF which he ruled was required in Law. He also commented that it had beenD known for years that there was a problem with the Votomatic machines> but nothing had been done about it. This previous knowledge of& problems did not help the case either.  D The Gore team does have an arguable case on appeal but it may now beE the case that the Courts just want to get this over with before therenB is a real risk of running off the end of the Constitutional rails.  B One further point made last night is that normally the ballots areD eventually turned over to academic researchers. It is quite possibleB that the votes will finally be handcounted and the question of whoE morally won as opposed to legally won (if different) will be answered  for history.  @ The best statistical evidence appears to say that Gore has a 30%C chance of achieving a *statistically significant unarguable* win onpA the handcounts.  The best polling analysis says that the networks D correctly called Florida for Gore *based on actual voter intent* andC early official returns but that the combination of all the problemscB (including the butterfly ballot which will not effect legal review> now) was the most likely cause of the actual divergence in theF official results. CNN actually said live on air on election night: "WeD do not believe some of the official returns coming in from Florida.") This was not repeated in this form again.  --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 08:22:57 -0500o, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)s+ Message-ID: <CmbXYBVhAg$N@eisner.decus.org>a  \ In article <3A2C7904.F4C89E87@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:H >> The Constitution grants the selecting of Presidential electors to theB >> state legislatures, all of which have passed laws relating thatK >> selection to popular vote and dictating the process by which the popularrJ >> vote shall procede.  Someone has to have the authority to enforce thoseK >> laws (the executive branch), and someone has to have the power to review 2 >> actions to see if they meet the legal standard. > P > But the USA supreme court today announced that they were essentially unable toO > rule on whether the Florida supreme court was within its rights/juristdictionn% > to do what it was accused of doing.a >   G The argument in front of the U.S. Supreme Court was esentially that therG Florida Supreme Court had violated a U.S. Constitutional provision whenfE it moved the deadline.  The ruling if the U.S. Supreme Court was thatjF the Florida Supreme Court had to rewrite it's ruling to make the basisG clear, implying there is no clear violation of the U.S. Constitution by @ the Florida Supreme Court for the U.S. Supreme Court to rule on.  F This essentially warns the Florida Supreme Court that it had better beG carefull, but gives it free hand to do what it feels best.  Ironic thateH by going to federal court to get relief of a state court action the Bush@ side ends up getting not a ruling for or against the case, but aH reminder that state's rights are real, as long as the state is carefull.A Bush's team had been criticized for taking an anti-state's rights E approach, got a pro-state's rights decision, and still manages to put- Gore's team at a loss.  G The Florida court's ruling yesterday (taking the Republican side on alljF counts) further recognizes the authority of local election boards overE state courts.  The most important judjements on on how to choose the SG "most powerfull man in the world" is entrusted to a large number of low 4 level decision makers, not to the few and powerfull.  G I don't care how much more convenient the Canadian system is, or any ofeH the other systems which have been cited recently, an essential principle& of American democracy has been upheld.  H What we Americans now need to look at is was another essential principleF of our system defeated (possibly more dear to our hearts), and how to $ correct any imbalance in the future.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying-   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 08:26:28 -0500n, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)9+ Message-ID: <ONMY9im2cO$4@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <3a2cbb00.85193702@news.newsguy.com>, agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) writes: > D > One further point made last night is that normally the ballots areF > eventually turned over to academic researchers. It is quite possibleD > that the votes will finally be handcounted and the question of whoG > morally won as opposed to legally won (if different) will be answered  > for history. >   G True, but I don't think there will ever be a final decision on which ish? the correct way to count pregnant chads.  There will be a legalhF desision, but the academicians are free each to go thier own way since" their counts have no legal impact.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationo= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupxE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingX   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:34:00 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections) L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0512001034000001@user-2ivec58.dialup.mindspring.com>  W In article <3a2cbff7.86465070@news.newsguy.com>, agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) wrote:   G > On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:04:36 -0500, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert4 > Deininger) wrote:eD > retty clear standards in FL also.  A certain faction is seeking toF > change those standards.  No, the standards are not perfectly uniform2 > across the state, but they are well-established. > > > >Of course, we had many close elections this year, and many of them were recounted.  Virtually all _could_ have been taken to court, but almost none were.  I think the reasons have more to do with the character of the folks involved than with details of the laws and regulations.r > F > Do not forget that the Republicans only dropped their last challengeE > against Kennedy in an election not as close as this one on the 17tho > December 1960.   Before my time, but I understand that Nixon conceeded the day after the election, and declined to challenge the results.  I've never heard of any extended challenge in 1960.  What states were challenged, and on what grounds?   -- m Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:51:18 GMT % From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)h= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections)a1 Message-ID: <3a2d02b1.103546982@news.newsguy.com>   D On 5 Dec 2000 08:22:57 -0500, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:    H >The Florida court's ruling yesterday (taking the Republican side on allG >counts) further recognizes the authority of local election boards overcF >state courts.  The most important judjements on on how to choose the H >"most powerfull man in the world" is entrusted to a large number of low5 >level decision makers, not to the few and powerfull.   D As I read it it re-affirmed that as the normal situation but clearlyB expressed the court's right to intervene had there been  clear andF unequivocal evidence that the outcome of the election for the State ofF Florida would have been changed had a full manual recount taken place.F As, in the opinion of the court, no such evidence had been placed, theC State of Florida acted legally in issuing a final certification forU Bush.e  E In other words the courts will only risk causing an even further messiC in really seriious circumstances. This case was unfortunate but not F sufficient to justify futher court intervention. Now a legal principleC world-wide is that lower courts should attempt to not rock the boatoC and interpret the law in a way that won't cause dramatic changes todF the status quo. That's really the job of higher courts. It was notableE that the Florida Supreme Court actually used the phrase "maintain thetC status quo" when (creatively?) extending the deadline for recounts.lB Some judges will venture further than others but the Florida judge= definitely fell into the highly intelligent but sceptical (or,D skeptical for US readers) category. Thus he was pre-disposed to find@ against the Gore complaint. He has, however, ordered the ballotsF maintained securely and the Appeals Court broke all records in passingD the appeal directly to the Supreme Court in under an hour. Every oneE knows (including the Bush lawyers) that the Florida Supreme Court can A easily overturn the judgement without really disagreeing with theV@ judge by bringing in the more esoteric "what the voters actuallyF wanted" argument over-rules almost everything. Thus maybe we can tell,E maybe we can't but at least we should try and find out. AlternativelynC they too can just say enough is enough; Case Not Proven. IronicallydC the only way this will end with all parties relatively happy (in mynA opinion) is for a Democrat dominated court to issue a ruling that D effectively favours the Republicans or a Republican Court to rule inD favour of the Democrats. And maybe now that is starting to look like how it might end.    > H >I don't care how much more convenient the Canadian system is, or any ofI >the other systems which have been cited recently, an essential principlet' >of American democracy has been upheld.t  F I agree entirely that the US system is currently operating as designedB and all credit to the framers of the Constitution for allowing forC this sort of situation. Where I see the real problem is that it hasrD gone so far into relatively undebugged code :-) on such an avoidableC issue which seems to be really due to carelessness in the design of1@ elements of the Florida election process rather than intentionalF fraud. I understand that Florida is unusual in the amount of delegated= election procedure authority it gives to individual counties.f  ; In short the US should not have been thrown so close to thewA constitutional buffers by accident. It struck me that immediately C after the election a large number of political analysts stated thateF they were well aware of the risks of this happening in a close vote inD certain areas with high rates of bad ballots. In fact Palm Beach wasC supposedly warned 15 years ago by the makers of the Votomatic aboutmE specific problems with butterfly ballots including mechanical factors > in this configuration never mind human ones. Apparently it had@ previously sought funding for new machines but had not taken theF corrective action suggested by the manufacturers. Again the judge took this into account.  I >What we Americans now need to look at is was another essential principledG >of our system defeated (possibly more dear to our hearts), and how to t% >correct any imbalance in the future.s > G >----------------------------------------------------------------------h@ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation> >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupF >                                | please remove ".aspm" when replying   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:49:00 GMTt% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)w= Subject: Re: US Constitution (was Technology of US elections) 1 Message-ID: <3a2d19a2.109420738@news.newsguy.com>o  E On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:34:00 -0500, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robertr Deininger) wrote:i  X >In article <3a2cbff7.86465070@news.newsguy.com>, agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) wrote: >eH >> On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:04:36 -0500, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert >> Deininger) wrote:E >> retty clear standards in FL also.  A certain faction is seeking tosG >> change those standards.  No, the standards are not perfectly uniformu3 >> across the state, but they are well-established.d >> > >> >Of course, we had many close elections this year, and many of them were recounted.  Virtually all _could_ have been taken to court, but almost none were.  I think the reasons have more to do with the character of the folks involved than with details of the laws and regulations. >> eG >> Do not forget that the Republicans only dropped their last challengeuF >> against Kennedy in an election not as close as this one on the 17th >> December 1960.l >e >Before my time, but I understand that Nixon conceeded the day after the election, and declined to challenge the results.  I've never heard of any extended challenge in 1960.  What states were challenged, and on what grounds?l  E According to CNN there were three states which were contested. Nixon,w> I believe, attempted to stay above it but did not issue formalE instructions to his legal staff to actually stop challenges until thegD 17th. I cannot say  I have seen much coverage of this issue comparedD to current debates but would expect it to come up come December 17thE or possibly Dec 11 as I think, but don't quote me, that December 17thaF was just before the electoral college was due to meet.  However unlessB the Democrats win a favourable court ruling quickly it will all be
 over by then.t  D I think you will have probably noticed that the Republicans have notE been quiick to say "We conceded immediately in 1960." Although at thedE beginning one or two may have made this statement but were presumablycD shut-up as this was not quite the case. I too would be interested ifD anyone could point at a web site detailing the facts in this case. ID am not quite nterested enough to take a day off work and travel to aF major library to check microfiche newspaper archives from this period. --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:54:01 -05005 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>01 Subject: Use the e-store button off the home pagen6 Message-ID: <90j30g$etp$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  I Please use www.openvms.compaq.com and select the shop the OpenVMS e-storet   suet0 ________________________________________________  L Sue Skonetski wrote in message <90j0h0$e7k$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...K >Just wanted to let you know that you can now purchase OpenVMS Items off ofs% >the OpenVMS web site.  Please visit.m > L >http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectG rr >oup_ID=833  >o >This list will be growing.a >o >sue >e >h   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 11:12:50 GMTt9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>p( Subject: vaxstation 3100 diagnostic leds3 Message-ID: <976011371.897788@tornado.itea.ntnu.no>l   Hi  C Are the VAXstation 3100 diagnostic LEDs documented online anywhere?   A So far I have only seen specific answers to questions about them.n  J I have problems with to VAXstation 3100 (m30 and m38) with serial console.J They were ok until one was rebooted and never came up again, and the other& was powered off. (One of them had VMS)C Afterwards, both were stuck with LED 7 and 6 on, and LED 5 blinkinga
 occasionally.    Thanks in advance.   Regards, Roar Throns   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:27:34 -0600 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>, Subject: RE: vaxstation 3100 diagnostic leds- Message-ID: <0033000010445800000002L002*@MHS>    =0ARoar,  C I put the VAXstation 3100 Model 76 Owner's Guide up, but it doesn'thH have anything specifically addressing what the diagnostic lights mean, = onlyH a diagram (See http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/Chap7/DOC-7-25.html= ) andsH the comment "Write down the status of these lights. Your service repres= entative- may ask you to describe which lights are on."h  H There's a fair amount of other diagnostic stuff that you might find to = be ofsC use, even though you're working on a different model of VAXstation.s  H If anyone has the decoding list for these lights, if they'd forward it = to me,= I'd be glad to add a link incorporating them into my website.s   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ( Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:48 AM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET( Subject: vaxstation 3100 diagnostic leds     Hi  C Are the VAXstation 3100 diagnostic LEDs documented online anywhere?n  A So far I have only seen specific answers to questions about them.e  H I have problems with to VAXstation 3100 (m30 and m38) with serial conso= le.rH They were ok until one was rebooted and never came up again, and the ot= herd& was powered off. (One of them had VMS)C Afterwards, both were stuck with LED 7 and 6 on, and LED 5 blinking 
 occasionally.t   Thanks in advance.   Regards, Roar Thron=E6s=h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:53:30 -0500& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>  Subject: Very weird DCL behavior7 Message-ID: <o19X5.8166$Cn4.198087@weber.videotron.net>    Hi!f  J I use a DCL procedure (what else!) to do my nightly backups. I have 4 tapeB drives, and I backup parts of my data (that could be one disk, oneL directory, one oracle db - but it doesn`t really matter). The main procedureK has a list of things to do which it dispatches (via a spawn/nowait command) ! to the next available tape drive.h  E When one backup is finiished, the spawned procedure notifies the main-I process that it has finished so that another job can be sent to that taped drive (am I clear enough?).c  I Upon reading the mailbox, the main procedure sometimes (once every 100 orV. 200 times it does the READ command) hits error* %RMS-E-RSA, record stream currently activeD when (or right after) reading the mailbox. I do not know why this isI happening, and the weird thing about this is that the .LOG shows commandse) that do not exist in the .COM file, like:h   $       Set NoOn- $       Read Backup_Mbx Mbx_Rec /Time_Out=255 ; $       If .not. $(Backup_Status<NL><NL>0,Mbx_Rec)<NL>_Disk * %RMS-E-RSA, record stream currently active
 $ Error_Trap:  $       Exit_Status = $STATUSe   Note:eJ a) The 2nd line in this .LOG excerpt does not belong to the .COM. Note the! <NL> characters in the line, too.eI b) The error message does not follow immediately the READ command, but ita sure is related to itiL c) The SET NOON seems to have no effect as the procedure jumps into my error trap.e  & The .COM contains the following lines: $       Set NoOn- $       Read Backup_Mbx Mbx_Rec /Time_Out=255i2 $       If .not. $STATUS then Goto Backup_One_Disk $       Set On" $       Unit = f$extr(0,1,Mbx_Rec), $       Backup_Status = f$extr(1,10,Mbx_Rec)  K It seems like the DLC processor has lost its pointer in reading the command  file.r   Can someone help?    Thanks so much!u   Syltremo   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 18:17:11 GMTb2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: Re: Very weird DCL behavior6 Message-ID: <90jbf7$gut$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <o19X5.8166$Cn4.198087@weber.videotron.net>, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> writes:   :The main proceduregL :has a list of things to do which it dispatches (via a spawn/nowait command)" :to the next available tape drive. ..F :When one backup is finiished, the spawned procedure notifies the mainJ :process that it has finished so that another job can be sent to that tape :drive (am I clear enough?).  I   I'd probably either use SYNCH and separate batch jobs, or (if you have  H   four tape drives), a four-slot batch queue and ALLOCATE mmdu:,mmdu,...H   or ALLOCATE/GENERIC, as this can greatly simplify the synchronization 
   involved.  .  J :Upon reading the mailbox, the main procedure sometimes (once every 100 or/ :200 times it does the READ command) hits error + :%RMS-E-RSA, record stream currently active E :when (or right after) reading the mailbox. I do not know why this isrJ :happening, and the weird thing about this is that the .LOG shows commands* :that do not exist in the .COM file, like:  B   Looks like something is getting scrozzled deep within DCL, or inA   the code between OpenVMS and the mailbox driver -- DCL can only @   use mailboxes with some additional assistance, so you are, um,:   boldly going where few DCL programmers have gone before.    :Can someone help?  I   Please acquire and apply the current ECOs for whatever OpenVMS release oF   and platform might be in use here.  And seriously consider using the5   SYNCH and/or ALLOC and the four-slot batch queue...@  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:40:35 GMTs% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)s( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????0 Message-ID: <3a2caf2e.82167891@news.newsguy.com>  # On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:17:38 -0300,o* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   >iI >In fact in two years the company will be migrating all the systems unde=  >r< > OpenVMS ( RDB+GEMBASE+COBOL) to a Sun E-10000 (or maybe  a$ >E-20000 until there )  running SAP.  E Having just attended the SAP 20, SAP Overview course all I can say is-F good luck. There is no doubt you can setup a SAP/R3 system and make itD work well but only with a huge amount of pre-planning, a willingnessB to re-write most of the screens to simplify them and a spend of atF least 5,000 dollars per employee to properly train users. SAP will tryF and drive your work processes and if you don't get the HR module setupA exactly correct you can grind the company to a halt (as many havetE found) with information overload and red traffic lights everywhere inn@ sight. Also the new "enjoy SAP" screens (are they on drugs?) canC easily have you vanishing off into hyperspace with a wrongly placed:C click. The Business Warehouse "Executive Cockpiit" (I'm not makiing E this up) module can mislead senior management by providing supposedlyhC authoritative company indicators which can easily be based on junk.  Garbage In Garbage Out.   E It is very hard to get a SAP implementation right first time. Use thehE best experienced consultants you can find. Train your employees well.e< Buy very fast disks. One of our European operations that hasC implemented SAP has found it to have gone anything but smoothly andt> investigations of the reasons coupled with a comparison of the@ actually needed capabilites compared with our current ManMan/VMSD systems has made it highly unlikely we will consider a change in theB forseeable future for current systems. This is not to say we don'tA like what SAP can do. The question is: "is it worth it". For somer< operations the answer will be yes. For others it will be no.  F I should also point out that when Compaq implemented SAP they actuallyE brought the entire production line to a halt (source Michael Capellas1@ press interviews). Capellas arrived as CIO at Compaq to find theB company in chaos due to SAP. Fortunately (among his seemingly manyA talents) he happens to be a SAP expert and stepped in immediately F impressing the Compaq board. You really, really need to understand SAPE inside out before you implement it. A source within IBM tells me thatrB some of their plants have had ten days or more downtime during SAP implementation.r     >dI >What can I say ? I am begining to study SAP/  Basis and I=B4ll refresh =r  C Study it well but also check the trade press on the number of majoraE companies currently taking SAP to court over lost production. Even ifi# only to avoid the errors they made.      --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 20:54:01 -0500t From: stan@stanq.com( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????- Message-ID: <3A280FE9.4909.2377872@localhost>n  1 On 1 Dec 2000, at 19:43, David J. Dachtera wrote:  > Jordan Henderson wrote:l3 > > [snip]  Putting aside your obvious distaste fornF > > deprecated technologies like LAT and Microvaxes, I can think of noE > > better way to access an OpenVMS system console remotely except byfF > > reverse-LAT to a Terminal Server that has a port connected to that > > system's console.u > 8 > I s'pose reverse-TELNET is out of the question then...  A Connecting the console port to a terminal server is an excellent tE idea. My only regret is that my Multias cannot be connected this way.p  D My terminal servers are set up so I can TELNET to the console port, E or use LAT.  From my Winbox, I use TELNET.  From VMS machines, I use u$ LAT. 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another.     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671a1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147h= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comn   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2000 13:39:58 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)  Subject: Re: Who s the wizard ?. Message-ID: <90ir7e$957$2@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <l7pf2tg0otgnpeg1vkur890rorrvdblm7n@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel " <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:   % > On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:16:44 -0300,d, > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > 2 > >Who is the OpenVMS wizard ? Steve Hoffman ? :-) > > 2 > >Click...  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/ > A > That's not a picture of Steve Hoffman.  I'm not sure who it is.e  H http://24.189.128.4/pix/ has a picture of Hoff and some other well-known folks here.... s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:20:42 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s  Subject: Re: Who s the wizard ?0 Message-ID: <009F4225.1A8E4852@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <90ir7e$957$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:eF >In article <l7pf2tg0otgnpeg1vkur890rorrvdblm7n@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel# ><Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes: y >e& >> On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:16:44 -0300,- >> fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  >> s3 >> >Who is the OpenVMS wizard ? Steve Hoffman ? :-)t >> >3 >> >Click...  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/n >>  B >> That's not a picture of Steve Hoffman.  I'm not sure who it is. > I >http://24.189.128.4/pix/ has a picture of Hoff and some other well-knownl >folks here....  >   F decus_geeks_annotated.gif to be exact.  It's not the greatest picture E by any means.  It was taken by somebody at a hotel bar in LA during ah& US DECUS event using a digital camera.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            lO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:35:31 -0500a- From: Dave O'Brien <obrien@mail.amergent.com>  Subject: Re: Zip Help!!!A Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001205102401.00c5dc30@mail.amergent.com>i  G Speaking of zip problems, does anyone know of a size limitation on the dJ input file when creating a zip file?  I haven't figured out exactly where B the limit is, but is seems to be somewhere in the neighborhood of  2GB.  Here is an example:A  ' CARE::[WORK] $ dir/size/date/prot *.dtc    Directory DRA1:[WORK]   L RFP-HI-1.DTC;1        4920490  29-NOV-2000 06:35:07.27  (RWED,RWED,RWED,RWE)L RFP-HI-2.DTC;1        1566837  29-NOV-2000 08:26:45.25  (RWED,RWED,RWED,RWE)  ! Total of 2 files, 6487327 blocks.e( CARE::[WORK] $ zip test.zip rfp-hi-1.dtc    adding: rfp-hi-1.dtcC& zip warning: no such file or directoryB zip warning: could not open for reading: DRA1:[WORK]RFP-HI-1.DTC;1 zip warning: zip file emptyG  J In this case rfp-hi-1.dtc is a sequential file with fixed length 324 byte L records.  I've had similar results on Alpha's running VMS 7.2, 7.1-1H2, and 7 6.2-1H3. I've also tried it on zip version 2.0 and 2.2.3  
 Any ideas?   Dave    @ ----------------------------------------------------------------4 Dave O'Brien                     Phone: 978-531-18004 Director, Information Technology Fax:   978-531-4451@ Amergent                         Email: obrien@mail.amergent.com9 9 Centennial Drive               http://www.amergent.com/a Peabody, MA  01960@ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:18:21 +0000 9 From: "Miller, Daniel" <Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk>eT Subject: RE: [FREEWARE] MAILBOX : MIME-enabled user-friendly mail client f	orOpenVMSA Message-ID: <5E8A0E4920B0D411B1E900508BFCB240299430@NF-HOUSE-NT1>o   Hi everyone,  L Tried out MAILBOX and got the same "smtp server returned an error code" when sending attachments.  I I found a message in sys$specific:[tcpip$smtp]tcpip$smtp_recv_run.log hady been generated:o  ? %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link 8   TCPIP$SMTP   job terminated at  5-DEC-2000 10:08:22.02  
 Any ideas?  J I also noticed that when you do ^f to select the attachment it looked like hidden files are shown too.   
 Daniel Millera Nightfreight plc     -----Original Message-----# From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduN& [mailto:mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu]' Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:49 PMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComtH Subject: Re: [FREEWARE] MAILBOX : MIME-enabled user-friendly mail client for OpenVMS     I In article <YEG54a7Nw4GI@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob  Koehler) writes:? >In article <8v5vk4$6pk$1@news5.isdnet.net>, "Patrick LE QUERE"u& ><patrick@NOSPAM.lequere.net> writes:  >> Hi all, e >>  $ >> Announcing MAILBOX for OpenVMS !  >> r >nH >   OK, tried it.  OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1, Multinet 4.3A, DEC 3000 M600S on= >   an ODS-5 disk with DCL extended parsing enabled.  PatchescG >   VMS721_SYS-V0100, VMS721_ACRTL-V0200, and prerequisites installed. hD >   DEC C argument case preservation and file name case preservation >   enabled. >  >   Some bugs: >s  & I tried it too with different results.  
 $ mu show/versH Process Software MultiNet V4.2 Rev A-X, COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz, OpenVMS AXP V7.2-1  K On my system it wouldn't send any mail with an attachment.  When I tried itg put up:   L      Couldn't send message                                                         %   SMTP server returned an error code c  E and no message was sent.  Messages without an attachment went out ok.a  I >   4) opening the folder list or the folder is slow (12 folders pointingeD >      to a total of 290 files, not very many messages saved without >      external files) >t  K I'll second that.  The list of folders came up quickly enough, but I keep adI lot of old mail messages around in my MAIL folder, 3805 at this time (ok,VH it is time to do some cleaning up!).  I didn't have the patience to waitK for the MAIL folder to list.  It looks like MAILBOX is trying to put all ofeK the mail message titles into a scroll list, but such a list is way too long G to deal with in general.  There is no direct equivalent of the MAIL DIR.G command so you can't subselect.  It would be extraordinarily helpful if7G the scroll list was, like in mail, restricted to 20 or so entries, and DE there were "next page", "previous page", and "filter" commands, wheree "filter"G would load the list based on the equivalent of DIR/SINCE= or DIR/FROM=.8 I didn't say that very clearly.     @   [ big mail folder ]  -> FILTER (DIR/whatever)  -> list browser0                           (by date,source, etc.) prev,next,pageup,pagedownd  H 6) There is glitch running MAILBOX in a decterm when I use the cursor toJ move down the "Dossier : NEWMAIL - 18 message(s)" list at 132 chars/line. I At first the area to the right of the date is white.  As the cursor movesxJ down this area is drawn black, and on moving the cursor up or down it doesK not revert to white.  The limit of this effect appears to be at 80 columns,o< ie, parts of the program seem to assume an 80 col. terminal.  I >   5) seems like X is exit everywhere except the top menu, where Quit is/F >      used in violation of it's usual sense in VMS (generally EXIT isE >      SAVE changes and QUIT, QUIT is get out without saving changes)   K One the top menu there are no keyboard shortcuts, you have to use the menu g system.o  J Most of the menus scroll around if the cursor goes off the end.  It would L be generally be better if they stopped at the limits.  Ie, in the first menuG if you hold down the down arrow it cycles around and around rather than  stopping at QUIT.i  K There are no shortcuts for moving large numbers of messages from folder to sG folder.  It appears that this must be done one at a time, which can be mK really painful if you decide to move 100 messages, all from "John" from ones folder to another! c   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:40:29 +0000u9 From: "Miller, Daniel" <Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk> T Subject: RE: [FREEWARE] MAILBOX : MIME-enabled user-friendly mail client f	orOpenVMSA Message-ID: <5E8A0E4920B0D411B1E900508BFCB240299431@NF-HOUSE-NT1>    Oops,,  - forgot to say VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP 5.0A ECO 1.-   -----Original Message----- From: Miller, Daniel l) Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:18 AM ! To: Info-Vax List-Server (E-mail)9H Subject: RE: [FREEWARE] MAILBOX : MIME-enabled user-friendly mail client for OpenVMSt     Hi everyone,  L Tried out MAILBOX and got the same "smtp server returned an error code" when sending attachments.  I I found a message in sys$specific:[tcpip$smtp]tcpip$smtp_recv_run.log hado been generated:i  ? %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical linkl8   TCPIP$SMTP   job terminated at  5-DEC-2000 10:08:22.02  
 Any ideas?  J I also noticed that when you do ^f to select the attachment it looked like hidden files are shown too.l  
 Daniel Miller  Nightfreight plc     -----Original Message-----# From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edut& [mailto:mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu]' Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:49 PMh To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H Subject: Re: [FREEWARE] MAILBOX : MIME-enabled user-friendly mail client for OpenVMSa    I In article <YEG54a7Nw4GI@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob  Koehler) writes:? >In article <8v5vk4$6pk$1@news5.isdnet.net>, "Patrick LE QUERE"u& ><patrick@NOSPAM.lequere.net> writes:  >> Hi all, o >>  $ >> Announcing MAILBOX for OpenVMS !  >>   >xH >   OK, tried it.  OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1, Multinet 4.3A, DEC 3000 M600S on= >   an ODS-5 disk with DCL extended parsing enabled.  PatchestG >   VMS721_SYS-V0100, VMS721_ACRTL-V0200, and prerequisites installed. bD >   DEC C argument case preservation and file name case preservation >   enabled. >e >   Some bugs: >r  & I tried it too with different results.  
 $ mu show/ver H Process Software MultiNet V4.2 Rev A-X, COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz, OpenVMS AXP V7.2-1  K On my system it wouldn't send any mail with an attachment.  When I tried itk put up:   L      Couldn't send message                                                         %   SMTP server returned an error code e  E and no message was sent.  Messages without an attachment went out ok.   I >   4) opening the folder list or the folder is slow (12 folders pointingfD >      to a total of 290 files, not very many messages saved without >      external files) >>  K I'll second that.  The list of folders came up quickly enough, but I keep avI lot of old mail messages around in my MAIL folder, 3805 at this time (ok,hH it is time to do some cleaning up!).  I didn't have the patience to waitK for the MAIL folder to list.  It looks like MAILBOX is trying to put all ofhK the mail message titles into a scroll list, but such a list is way too long G to deal with in general.  There is no direct equivalent of the MAIL DIR G command so you can't subselect.  It would be extraordinarily helpful ifbG the scroll list was, like in mail, restricted to 20 or so entries, and nE there were "next page", "previous page", and "filter" commands, where  "filter"G would load the list based on the equivalent of DIR/SINCE= or DIR/FROM=.e I didn't say that very clearly.-    @   [ big mail folder ]  -> FILTER (DIR/whatever)  -> list browser0                           (by date,source, etc.) prev,next,pageup,pagedownu  H 6) There is glitch running MAILBOX in a decterm when I use the cursor toJ move down the "Dossier : NEWMAIL - 18 message(s)" list at 132 chars/line. I At first the area to the right of the date is white.  As the cursor moves J down this area is drawn black, and on moving the cursor up or down it doesK not revert to white.  The limit of this effect appears to be at 80 columns,e< ie, parts of the program seem to assume an 80 col. terminal.  I >   5) seems like X is exit everywhere except the top menu, where Quit is F >      used in violation of it's usual sense in VMS (generally EXIT isE >      SAVE changes and QUIT, QUIT is get out without saving changes)f  K One the top menu there are no keyboard shortcuts, you have to use the menu - system.-  J Most of the menus scroll around if the cursor goes off the end.  It would L be generally be better if they stopped at the limits.  Ie, in the first menuG if you hold down the down arrow it cycles around and around rather thana stopping at QUIT.t  K There are no shortcuts for moving large numbers of messages from folder to  G folder.  It appears that this must be done one at a time, which can be 0K really painful if you decide to move 100 messages, all from "John" from onet folder to another! e   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 19:44:51 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aus2 Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]5 Message-ID: <01JXCV25BBMQ007HCF@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>u  N Masses of snips, but in his last para, George Cornelius wrote (and I stupidly * could not resist) and no offense intended;  H >Next time I attempt to express a complex thought on the Net in 25 words, >or less, please castigate me appropriately.   Real_thought = 04 Imaginary_thought = 25 words on deluded US electionsG Complex_thought = CMPLX(Real_thought-FLORIDA-CHAD**2,Imaginary_thought)a  D Well, most of us VMS guys are programmers, and many Fortran aware:-)   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,G
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiah   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,A; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.679 ************************