1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 06 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 681       Contents:1 Re: Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation 1 Re: Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation  acl's and identifiers  Re: acl's and identifiers  RE: acl's and identifiers  Re: acl's and identifiers ) Re: Adding font OCR-B to a Printserver-20   Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash?  Re: Boing boing boing... splash? Re: DEC BASIC : relative files' Re: ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem ' Re: ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem  FTP  Re: FTP  FW: US Constitution . Re: Getting dump files from detached processes. Re: Getting dump files from detached processes Re: Hardcopy Docs...' Heresy (was Re: how to sort a CSV file) + Re: Heresy (was Re: how to sort a CSV file) + RE: Heresy (was Re: how to sort a CSV file) & How to get DIAGNOSE/TRANSLATE to work?* Re: How to get DIAGNOSE/TRANSLATE to work?. Re: I need macro32 code for string replacement. Re: I need macro32 code for string replacement. Re: I need macro32 code for string replacement. Re: I need macro32 code for string replacement% Re: My interpretation of CSC response   RE: Need help, thanks in advance Pathworks to NT migration , Re: Problems installing MQ Series on VMS 6.2 Remote Dec Windows Problem Re: Remote Dec Windows Problem Re: Sun Cluster  re: Sun Cluster  re: Sun Cluster  symbiont to delete FF? Re: symbiont to delete FF? Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears $ Re: TCPware/Purveyor Problem Part #2 Re: US Constitution  RE: US Constitution  Re: US Constitution , Re: Use the e-store button off the home page, Re: Use the e-store button off the home page, Re: Use the e-store button off the home page Re: Very weird DCL behavior  Re: Very weird DCL behavior  Re: VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date?  Re: VMS vs. Tru64 Unix Re: Zip Help!!!   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:48:39 -0800 , From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net>: Subject: Re: Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation8 Message-ID: <3a2e353b$0$30002$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>   Marc Van Dyck wrote: >  > Hello All, > I > After two months of struggle to perform my job with a PC and a X window H > emulator, I have now received a SUN ULTRA-5 station to access the VMS  > systems that I work on.    <snip>  F I know this does not answer the question at hand, but I always like to "plug"  H a product that works !!  Hummingbird eXceed X window display "server" is such  * a wonderful product !!!   It just works !!  E We literally have 100's of users on PC's logging to both VMS and Unix  systems D with no problems.  Yes, it is a bit tricky to configure, but will be happy A to pass along my experiences.  And you can even plug in a 102 key 
 keyboard !  
 Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:37:15 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>: Subject: Re: Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation* Message-ID: <3A2E794B.F917AAA5@uk.sun.com>   Jack Patteeuw wrote: >  > Marc Van Dyck wrote: > >  > > Hello All, > > K > > After two months of struggle to perform my job with a PC and a X window I > > emulator, I have now received a SUN ULTRA-5 station to access the VMS  > > systems that I work on.  >  > <snip> > H > I know this does not answer the question at hand, but I always like to > "plug"J > a product that works !!  Hummingbird eXceed X window display "server" is > such, > a wonderful product !!!   It just works !! > G > We literally have 100's of users on PC's logging to both VMS and Unix 	 > systems F > with no problems.  Yes, it is a bit tricky to configure, but will be > happy C > to pass along my experiences.  And you can even plug in a 102 key  > keyboard ! >  > Jack Patteeuw     > If you are interested in eXceed then you may also like to look= at Tarantella, they do a browser based client, you don't need ; to install anything on the client and they also have a low  @ bandwidth protocol like ICA for X so that you can get reasonable5 X-Windows performance down the end of a slowish pipe.   9 In this sort of config the Tarantella server kicks off a  = X session on the OpenVMS box and then converts the X protocol 1 to their own doing compression at the same time.    > Tarantella also works with NT RDP (Windows terminal server) to: provide the same functionality e.g a windows session in a 	 browser.    = You do need a Java enabled browser for this and the app does   not work with appletviewer.    Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:03:53 +02003 From: "Phillip du Plooy" <itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za>  Subject: acl's and identifiers- Message-ID: <976111440.890988@news.puk.ac.za>    Hallo,I I am testing my disaster recovery procedures. This is testing to see if I L can get my environment started on a Dec Alpha 1000 ( the production Alpha isI an ES40 ) The OS is OpenVMS 7.2-1 . Because of differences in the "system J disk" size ( 9 gig to 2 gig) I had to reinstall VMS on the Axp 1000. Now I3 want to put back my users. I did this by getting my I [sys0.syscommon.sysexe]sysuaf.dat file from my image backup of the ES40 . K But now all the /identifiers of all the users are missing. Why and how do I > get it back? I wanted to do the following and I get this errorL $ set acl/obj=queue/acl (identifier=queue_manager,access=read+submit+delete) UQ1  _axp2 G %SET-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'QUEUE_MANAGER,ACCESS=READ+SUBMIT+DELETE)' - -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifier     
 On the ES40 :  UAF> sh /id QUEUE_MANAGER  Name Value Attributes  QUEUE_MANAGER %X80010006 UAF>     But on the Axp 1000 :  UAF> sh /id QUEUE_MANAGER / %UAF-E-SHOWERR, unable to complete SHOW command - -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifier  UAF>  	 Thank you  Phillip du Plooy DBA & SysAdmin Potchefstroom University South Africa dbaph@axp3.puk.ac.za   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 09:09:47 -0500  From: briggs@eisner.decus.org " Subject: Re: acl's and identifiers+ Message-ID: <7m3Hmtv6aChF@eisner.decus.org>   c In article <976111440.890988@news.puk.ac.za>, "Phillip du Plooy" <itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za> writes:  > Hallo,K > I am testing my disaster recovery procedures. This is testing to see if I N > can get my environment started on a Dec Alpha 1000 ( the production Alpha isK > an ES40 ) The OS is OpenVMS 7.2-1 . Because of differences in the "system L > disk" size ( 9 gig to 2 gig) I had to reinstall VMS on the Axp 1000. Now I5 > want to put back my users. I did this by getting my K > [sys0.syscommon.sysexe]sysuaf.dat file from my image backup of the ES40 . M > But now all the /identifiers of all the users are missing. Why and how do I @ > get it back? I wanted to do the following and I get this errorN > $ set acl/obj=queue/acl (identifier=queue_manager,access=read+submit+delete) > UQ1  > _axp2 I > %SET-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'QUEUE_MANAGER,ACCESS=READ+SUBMIT+DELETE)' / > -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifier   7 You need [SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]RIGHTSLIST.DAT as well.   I Identifiers are stored in RIGHTSLIST.DAT.  Users are stored in SYSUAF.DAT   G You will also have lost your queue manager database.  Presumably that's I what you were working on when you encountered the problem with the rights  list database.  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:29:59 +0000 - From: Martin Walker <Martin.Walker@csf.co.uk> " Subject: RE: acl's and identifiersQ Message-ID: <07EC79670CCAD4118F17006097D7C7A73C6B05@london_exch.london.csf.co.uk>   / Try adding RIGHTSLIST.DAT as well for starters.   H (There are lots of other potential pitfalls which you might or might not
 encounter)   -----Original Message-----8 From: Phillip du Plooy [mailto:itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za] Sent: 06 December 2000 14:04 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: acl's and identifiers     Hallo,I I am testing my disaster recovery procedures. This is testing to see if I L can get my environment started on a Dec Alpha 1000 ( the production Alpha isI an ES40 ) The OS is OpenVMS 7.2-1 . Because of differences in the "system J disk" size ( 9 gig to 2 gig) I had to reinstall VMS on the Axp 1000. Now I3 want to put back my users. I did this by getting my I [sys0.syscommon.sysexe]sysuaf.dat file from my image backup of the ES40 . K But now all the /identifiers of all the users are missing. Why and how do I > get it back? I wanted to do the following and I get this errorL $ set acl/obj=queue/acl (identifier=queue_manager,access=read+submit+delete) UQ1  _axp2 G %SET-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'QUEUE_MANAGER,ACCESS=READ+SUBMIT+DELETE)' - -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifier     
 On the ES40 :  UAF> sh /id QUEUE_MANAGER  Name Value Attributes  QUEUE_MANAGER %X80010006 UAF>     But on the Axp 1000 :  UAF> sh /id QUEUE_MANAGER / %UAF-E-SHOWERR, unable to complete SHOW command - -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifier  UAF>  	 Thank you  Phillip du Plooy DBA & SysAdmin Potchefstroom University South Africa dbaph@axp3.puk.ac.za        A This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be  F legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the@ sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your  system. B The unauthorised use, distribution, copying or alteration of this F email is strictly forbidden. If you need assistance please contact the& CSF help desk on (+44)(0)207 490 2727.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:46:04 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com" Subject: Re: acl's and identifiersH Message-ID: <OF751BA925.A2F8BF01-ON802569AD.00506CA8@qedi.quintiles.com>   Hi Phillip, G You need to bear in mind that the authorization "details" or "database" C consist of more than one file.  You have correctly taken SYSUAF.DAT I (normally in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]) as being the file which contains all of J the passwords, quotas and account details for your users.  As someone elseJ pointed out all of the identifier details are contained in the rightslist,0 RIGHTSLIST.DAT (usually in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]).A If you want DECnet proxy access then you'll need NETPROXY.DAT and 4 NET$PROXY.DAT, again usually in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].  K The locations can be modified by defining the logicals NETPROXY, NET$PROXY, ( SYSUAF and RIGHTSLIST on your system(s).K It's also worth remembering that the identifier names which you see on your K system are merely text translations of the identifiers.  The system usually J refers to the real numerical values that sit beneath the translations.  IfJ you've restored any files which have ACLs on them then you'll see that theK ACLs have been moved across but the identifiers within them stay as numbers & unless you've created the identifiers.  I How come you didn't replace the disk on the AlphaServer 1000 with a 9.1GB J device and make life easier?  You could have just restored the system diskC onto the 1000 and then followed the crib sheet in the VMS FAQ......  Steve.        G "Phillip du Plooy" <itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za> on 06-12-2000 02:03:53 PM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:    Subject:  acl's and identifiers      Hallo,I I am testing my disaster recovery procedures. This is testing to see if I I can get my environment started on a Dec Alpha 1000 ( the production Alpha  isI an ES40 ) The OS is OpenVMS 7.2-1 . Because of differences in the "system J disk" size ( 9 gig to 2 gig) I had to reinstall VMS on the Axp 1000. Now I3 want to put back my users. I did this by getting my I [sys0.syscommon.sysexe]sysuaf.dat file from my image backup of the ES40 . K But now all the /identifiers of all the users are missing. Why and how do I > get it back? I wanted to do the following and I get this error $ set acl/obj=queue/acl 4 (identifier=queue_manager,access=read+submit+delete) UQ1  _axp2 G %SET-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'QUEUE_MANAGER,ACCESS=READ+SUBMIT+DELETE)' - -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifier     
 On the ES40 :  UAF> sh /id QUEUE_MANAGER  Name Value Attributes  QUEUE_MANAGER %X80010006 UAF>     But on the Axp 1000 :  UAF> sh /id QUEUE_MANAGER / %UAF-E-SHOWERR, unable to complete SHOW command - -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifier  UAF>  	 Thank you  Phillip du Plooy DBA & SysAdmin Potchefstroom University South Africa dbaph@axp3.puk.ac.za   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:33:31 GMT ' From: Piet Timmers <piet@timmers-it.nl> 2 Subject: Re: Adding font OCR-B to a Printserver-20) Message-ID: <90ktkr$oq7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   C In article <paul.r.anderson-50A21F.11251805122000@news.compaq.com>, 3   Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote: 8 > In article <90i899$ik5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Piet Timmers > <piet@timmers-it.nl> wrote:  > E > > We want to use the OCR-B font on our printserver-20. I have asked 4 > > compaq but they say it is not available anymore. > E > The DECfonts Typeface Collection (one way Digital sold fonts) is no D > longer sold, but there are a number of places you can buy an OCR-B font. 1 > For example, here's a pointer to an Adobe page:  > 3 >    http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/P/P_058.html  > D > You want a "UNIX" or "VMS" version so that the Type-1 outline font files 8 > come in .PFA (ASCII) format rather than .PFB (binary). > < > When you get the font file, follow the instructions in the PrintServer @ > Software documentation to make them available to your printer. > G > Basically, you edit the LPS$SUPPORT:LPSRESOURCES.printername file and E > put the font file in the LPS$ROOT:[FONTS] directory.  The next time  you C > reboot your PrintServer printer, the font will be resident in the  > printer's memory.  >  > Paul >  > --. >    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS). >    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA >    Paul,   3 Thanks for your answer, but I still have questions.   8 When I look to my font files, I see the following files:   OBALT___.AFM;1 OBALT___.INF;1 OBALT___.PFB;1 OBALT___.PFM;1  4 The .AFM file is as I think the ascii formatted one.  : When I edit the lps$support:lpsresources.laser1 file I see the following.   #  filename BEMBO.PS 	 type font 
 name Bembo version V1.0-0 #   A And so one for some more fonts. So the file type used here is .PS   @ What filetype should I put into lps$support:lpsresources.laser1,! a postscript file or a .AFM file.    Thanks.    Piet    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:37:52 +0000 - From: Trevor Blake <seebelow@signature.block> ) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? / Message-ID: <3A2E2510.DCDD1F63@signature.block>   ? I've received several postcards and some posters but no ball :(   D If there are still some available I'd love to have one.  Perhaps Sue5 Skonetski can tell us what's happened to our balls :)    Regards, Trevor      Christian Leue wrote:  > I > Have any Europeans readers here already received their fabulous OpenVMS L > blinking balls? Do we have to fear that the ship sank? Or are folks in theK > US still too busy counting pregnant chads to send the packages over here?  >  > Anxiously waiting, >  > Christian  >    --   Regards,  Trevor Blake  H You can reach me at: trevorXblakeZbaesystemsXcom  but replace X Z X by . @ .   A Disclaimer:   Don't believe a word, 'cause words are only spoken  F               And lies are no comfort, when there's tears in your eyes   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 08:55:17 -0500 , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash? + Message-ID: <KlwFTwiF1gYx@eisner.decus.org>   Y In article <3a2d1550.108314678@news.newsguy.com>, agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) writes: F > On 5 Dec 2000 08:40:49 -0500, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) > wrote: > J >>There are those of us over here who never received that mailing, either.B >>But I've been getting more Open it posters than I have room for. > C > No chance of getting them sent up to brighten up the walls of the C > International Space Station then? And don't you think those solid + > rocket boosters are just so uncool plain?   D Sorry, right now I'm on Hubble, SIRTF, Triana, and WIRE.  I don't do ISS or Space Shuttle.   2 Hubble has much cooler posters than Compaq anyhow.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationr= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouptE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyings   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:28:26 +0000e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com) Subject: Re: Boing boing boing... splash?eH Message-ID: <OF08454C9F.F12941CA-ON802569AD.004F5104@qedi.quintiles.com>  K But Bob, we didn't get any of them!!  And people complain about not gettingc$ any of the VMS posters and such.....   Bob Koehler wrote:G >>>Sorry, right now I'm on Hubble, SIRTF, Triana, and WIRE.  I don't doi ISS or Space Shuttle.S  5 Hubble has much cooler posters than Compaq anyhow.<<<o   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 00:37 -0400 From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m' Subject: Re: DEC BASIC : relative filesi% Message-ID: <6DEC200000375518@miasys>   5 Steve Wright <usenet@wrightnet.demon.co.uk> writes...o    B >What we would like to do is to write the record to the end of theI >relative file. There does not appear to be an easy way of doing this. IteH >would be nice if we could use the ACCESS APPEND clause, but this is one >relevant for sequential files.   D It's BASIC restriction readily overcome using a USEROPEN. See below.  F >Unfortunately we cannot use a sequential file as our program needs to@ >delete records on occasions and that option is not available to2 >sequential files (apart from SCRATCH to the end).  K Sometimes INDEXED files are more desirable.. if you can come up with a key.LK Sometimes you can 'declare' a sequential file record with all 0s be deleted M from the application perspective. For VMS utilities, it would not be deleted.-   >Any ideas?,  H Sure... check out an answer I gave to a similar question 10 years ago...  &          <<< xxx::VAX_BASIC.NOTE;1 >>>7                          -< Discussions on VAX BASIC >-nP ================================================================================P Note 897.1           Mimic append access with relative files              1 of 2O xxx::VANDENHEUVEL "Why is Software so Hard?"        59 lines  17-JUL-1989 12:28sI        -< Pitty BASIC disallows ACCESS APPEND for relative files. QAR? >- P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------K You would really want to use ACCESS APPEND for this. For some reason BASIC  L does NOT allow you to use that on RELATIVE files. Too bad really because theG underlying RMS is perfectly willing to 'Connect to End Of File' on bothlK relative and sequential file organizations. The solution therefor is to useP* a USEROPEN to set the appropriate ROP bit.  J RMS internally impliments the 'Connect to End Of File' by starting at the J end of the allocated file space and trying each bucket for the first validL record. Of course, you  could build a similar algoritme, except... you will N not be able to easily lock the file (prologue) during this operation like RMS.L If, and only if, you know this not a sparse file, but entirely filled, then = you can actually do better than RMS by using a binary search.   I I suppose you would like to know which record number was assigned to the u' record? Two ways, equally unsupported:  D 	- Using GETRFA look in the first longword of the RFA after the PUT.9 	- Using a USEROPEN, remember where the BKT RAB field wast  M Many applications resort to a 'header' record to maintain the highest number iI in use. To minimize contention for that record, some clever applications  I read the the header record into a lock value block and just use the lock.eB Of course you would want to occasionally update the header anyway.  	 Have fun,a	 		Hein.      	map (x) string rec = 50 	map (y) rfa the_rfa 	map (y) word vbn,fill,ida(         map (kbf) long rab$l_bkt_pointer2 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION CONTENTS_OF(LONG BY VALUE)5 	open "tmp.rel" as file #1%, organization relative, &e 	    useropen USER_OPEN, map x 	while 1 + 1 = 2 		input "data"; recr 		put #1 		the_rfa = getrfa(1)O1 		print vbn, id, CONTENTS_OF ( rab$l_bkt_pointer)e 	nextd 	end  + FUNCTION LONG CONTENTS_OF (LONG SOME_VALUE)s4 END FUNCTION SOME_VALUE  ! So much for that FUNCTION  ; FUNCTION LONG USER_OPEN (FABDEF FAB, RABDEF RAB, LONG CHAN).A %INCLUDE "$FABDEF" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC$STARLET.TLB" A %INCLUDE "$RABDEF" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC$STARLET.TLB"p$     MAP (KBF) LONG RAB$L_BKT_POINTER     DECLARE LONG STAT B     EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION SYS$CREATE(FABDEF), SYS$CONNECT(RABDEF)F     FAB::FAB$L_FOP = FAB$M_CIF OR FAB::FAB$L_FOP   !Set CIF bit in FOPF     RAB::RAB$L_ROP = RAB$M_EOF OR RAB::RAB$L_ROP   !Set EOF bit in ROPC     RAB$L_BKT_POINTER = LOC ( RAB::RAB$L_BKT )	   !Safe BKT addressd     STAT = SYS$CREATE (FAB)o     IF (STAT AND 1%) THEN 6 	STAT = SYS$CONNECT (RAB)		   ! Connect only on succes
     END IF4     END FUNCTION STAT			   ! Return resultand status   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:41:22 +0100+ From: "Per Berg Nissen" <pbni@lundbeck.com>y0 Subject: Re: ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem0 Message-ID: <efsX5.174$%N2.2914@news.get2net.dk>  J Our local Compaq Customer Service created an OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 Operating System CDROMF with all the nessarry patches and when I boot this CDROM I can install OpenVMS on the
 SAN disks.  * So thanks again to Compaq Customer Service   /Per   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 17:08:38 +0100i* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: Re: ES40/HSG80 VMS installation problem* Message-ID: <3a2e6486$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ^ In article <efsX5.174$%N2.2914@news.get2net.dk>, "Per Berg Nissen" <pbni@lundbeck.com> writes:X >Our local Compaq Customer Service created an OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 Operating System CDROMV >with all the nessarry patches and when I boot this CDROM I can install OpenVMS on the >SAN disks.e >e+ >So thanks again to Compaq Customer Servicee   <RANT>3 This leads again to the question:	Where is V7.2-2 ?<  L I thought a maint version is there for exactly this reason: To bind togetherJ all released ECOs (currently into the base system, produce a bootable kit,' test, deliver and of course support it.n  O Why do we or CSC have to do such bitnobbling to fix a not so uncommon problem ?p   </RANT>    -- s< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888u< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 11:34:20 GMT / From: Graham Stuart Petch <G.S.Petch@ncl.ac.uk>e Subject: FTP2 Message-ID: <Xns90027EF96Gs290758P@128.240.233.55>  K I am currently using CMUIP/MADGOAT FTP to access data on a VAX which is in UG semi-retirement.  However, I have a problem with ftp some of the time. iJ Sometimes I can transfer files OK whilst at other times I just cannot get  them to transfer.   8 Any suggestions as to how I can improve the reliability.   Thanks,a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:20:33 GMTw From: jbecker@ui.urban.org Subject: Re: FTP) Message-ID: <90lsgn$h6v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   2 In article <Xns90027EF96Gs290758P@128.240.233.55>,2   Graham Stuart Petch <G.S.Petch@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:F > I am currently using CMUIP/MADGOAT FTP to access data on a VAX which is intB > semi-retirement.  However, I have a problem with ftp some of the time.dG > Sometimes I can transfer files OK whilst at other times I just cannote gete > them to transfer.i  E Could you be more specific? Include details like commands you use ands responses you get.   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)e7 Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)a    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:55:07 +0000 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: FW: US ConstitutionL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FFF@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  A >The USA also had sent rather large numbers of ships and suppliesy >to the UK early on,  H All of which were paid for with gold reserves, Carribean territory, etc.  C >If you ever have an election over in the UK that gets down to 0.1%e >differencew  I It happens frequently with repeated recounts but without any worries thattD all votes have not been counted. There are examples of elections forF Parliamentary and other elections being won by one or two votes out of 50,000.H   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)o   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2000 11:57:24 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r7 Subject: Re: Getting dump files from detached processesmH Message-ID: <y47l5d24x7.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ! david_dawkins@my-deja.com writes:r  ? > but we start the process in the same way both times; how willeA > authorize change anything?  when we send the "crash" command ityC > creates .DMP files beautifully. when it dies it produces nothing.a  J The reason for the non-induced crash might be resource exhaustion; in thatK case, you won't get a dump file - for instance, there might be no FILLIM orv BYTLIM left.  B > When we send the "crash" command, we induce an ACCVIO;  is thereF > a condition that can cause the *same* program (started the same way)9 > to die and not produce a .DMP file, and no stack trace?a  K And there is another reason: your process might get an RMS (exec-mode) bug-nH check. Set SYSGEN parameter BUGCHECKFATAL to 1 to find out. VMS Wizard'sI health warning: This will crash your _system_ if true, so be careful when  taking this medication.e  < > How does this get you a dump file with full debug symbols?  K The trick is to have LINK generate an .EXE with all debug information, then $ lie to the image activator about it.  M The underlying problem is that two functions - including debug records in thenJ executable, and setting up the transfer addresses - that are different areK handled via the same switch in the linker. Historical baggage and all that.u  L Suggestion to VMS engineering: Add a /TRANSFER_ADDRESS=(NO)DEBUG or somesuch to the linker.  G There is also a stub called LIBDEBUG.EXE (or somesuch, should be in theeH documentation somewhere) that is actually called by the image activator F to start the debugger; this can be overridden with a logical name (PCAG does/used to employ this mechanism to get control before the main imageoJ starts). You could write such an image that just does a successful return,M and point the logical name to it. But patching the image header is equivalentsF and easier - you should be able to find a version of that on the 'net.  L Something that hasn't been mentioned yet: search the accounting file for theM exit code of the process that runs your image - that might help you to narrowc down the reason.   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2000 11:59:56 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>s7 Subject: Re: Getting dump files from detached processes H Message-ID: <y41yvl24sz.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  L Of course, the debugger _shouldn't die with an access violation even in this situation...   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 10:56:56 -0500a9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Hardcopy Docs...=+ Message-ID: <VO5xTxE5YAAj@eisner.decus.org>r  S In article <3a2d9bfb_1@goliath.newsfeeds.com>, "Hal Kuff" <Kuff@Tessco.Com> writes:A; > Anyone know if hardcopy manuals will be avaialble in 7.3?f   Why wouldn't they ?   = Except for dash releases, have they ever not been available ?E   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:59:04 +0000 2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>0 Subject: Heresy (was Re: how to sort a CSV file). Message-ID: <3A2E0DE8.57F16006@CCAgroup.co.uk>   > [Begin heresy mode]yF > If you have Excel and a convenient way to transfer text files to andG > from it, it's not hard to pull in a CSV file, sort it with or withoutiI > headings, then write it back out in CSV format. Caveat: Excel accepts ak8 > limited number of lines (64k in one or more versions). > [End heresy mode]@  C Anyone know how to exert any control over Excel's processing of CSV  files ?t In particular:@ 1) how to hand it text fields containing numbers: eg credit cardG numbers, product codes starting with a digit, etc. I find it has a nice B security feature when fed credit card numbers: it renders them forF example as 4.55E+15, even when they're double-quoted. Save them as CSV again & they're really trashed.pC 2) Similar problems with anything it can make a date from: 1/2 etc.oG 3) Any other useful tricks with CSV files, pointers to useful websites, 
 experts, etc.t   Thanks,r
 Chris Sharmans   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:28:15 +0000r- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>n4 Subject: Re: Heresy (was Re: how to sort a CSV file)) Message-ID: <3A2E22CF.779C0CFF@bbc.co.uk>a   Chris Sharman wrote:   > > [Begin heresy mode] H > > If you have Excel and a convenient way to transfer text files to andI > > from it, it's not hard to pull in a CSV file, sort it with or withouteK > > headings, then write it back out in CSV format. Caveat: Excel accepts al: > > limited number of lines (64k in one or more versions). > > [End heresy mode]r >aE > Anyone know how to exert any control over Excel's processing of CSV 	 > files ?o > In particular:B > 1) how to hand it text fields containing numbers: eg credit cardI > numbers, product codes starting with a digit, etc. I find it has a nice D > security feature when fed credit card numbers: it renders them forH > example as 4.55E+15, even when they're double-quoted. Save them as CSV! > again & they're really trashed. E > 2) Similar problems with anything it can make a date from: 1/2 etc.fI > 3) Any other useful tricks with CSV files, pointers to useful websites,l > experts, etc.   H Did you try prefixing the field with a single apostrophe? That helped meC when I was having some formatting problems. Sorry I am not an Excel: expert.0   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:12:19 -0500e1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>a4 Subject: RE: Heresy (was Re: how to sort a CSV file)C Message-ID: <7DF45F22D904D31192EE00805F578DF2018BC5DE@NY_EXCHANGE1>s   Chris,  F If the file being loaded into Excel is considered a text file (*.txt),H generally the "Wizard" will run and start asking questions about how theG data is delimited etc..  In step 3, there is a dialog box that lets youcJ specify the data format by column.  You can select the relevant columns ofJ data and click on the appropriate radio button to have the data treated as text, dates, numerics, etc.-  I This is true in Excel '97 and later versions.  I don't know about earlier@ ones.d   Hope this helps.   Mike Farrell   > -----Original Message-----9 > From:	Chris Sharman [SMTP:Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk]<, > Sent:	Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:59 AM > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms2 > Subject:	Heresy (was Re: how to sort a CSV file) >  > > [Begin heresy mode]tH > > If you have Excel and a convenient way to transfer text files to andI > > from it, it's not hard to pull in a CSV file, sort it with or without.K > > headings, then write it back out in CSV format. Caveat: Excel accepts a : > > limited number of lines (64k in one or more versions). > > [End heresy mode]r > E > Anyone know how to exert any control over Excel's processing of CSVn	 > files ?. > In particular:B > 1) how to hand it text fields containing numbers: eg credit cardI > numbers, product codes starting with a digit, etc. I find it has a nice-D > security feature when fed credit card numbers: it renders them forH > example as 4.55E+15, even when they're double-quoted. Save them as CSV! > again & they're really trashed.vE > 2) Similar problems with anything it can make a date from: 1/2 etc.,I > 3) Any other useful tricks with CSV files, pointers to useful websites,: > experts, etc.g > 	 > Thanks,e > Chris Sharman4   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 18:18:36 GMT * From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)/ Subject: How to get DIAGNOSE/TRANSLATE to work?s( Message-ID: <90lvts$bt$1@hecate.umd.edu>  J Hello.  I have an OpenVMS Alpha system, V7.1-2, that it seem has never hadL the DIAGNOSE/TRANSLATE utility activated.  When I enter DIAG/TRAN to examine@ my error log (I have >3000 errors on a device) I get the message  ? %DIA-E-NOINSTAL, DIAGNOSE has not been installed on this system-  H As I recall - it's been many years - this utility does not get installedH automatically with VMS, and there's a separate saveset (PCSI file?) thatG needs to be installed to provide the utility.  I just cannot recall itsi. name.  Does anyone have this readily?  Thanks.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edum   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 19:36:35 +0100e* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: How to get DIAGNOSE/TRANSLATE to work? * Message-ID: <3a2e8733$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  U In article <90lvts$bt$1@hecate.umd.edu>, bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau) writes:LK >Hello.  I have an OpenVMS Alpha system, V7.1-2, that it seem has never had M >the DIAGNOSE/TRANSLATE utility activated.  When I enter DIAG/TRAN to examine-A >my error log (I have >3000 errors on a device) I get the message  >s@ >%DIA-E-NOINSTAL, DIAGNOSE has not been installed on this system > I >As I recall - it's been many years - this utility does not get installed=I >automatically with VMS, and there's a separate saveset (PCSI file?) that H >needs to be installed to provide the utility.  I just cannot recall its/ >name.  Does anyone have this readily?  Thanks.s  1 	http://www.support.compaq.com/svctools/decevent/    -- A< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888o< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:08:31 +1100/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>z7 Subject: Re: I need macro32 code for string replacemente1 Message-ID: <RzlX5.2232$Vu1.50763@ozemail.com.au>e   <snip>  2 >   And why Macro32?  Why not some other language?  - And why some other language? Why not Macro32?t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:37:50 GMTe% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)l7 Subject: Re: I need macro32 code for string replacement.1 Message-ID: <3a2e0473.169532905@news.newsguy.com>   < On 5 Dec 2000 14:53:42 -0500, briggs@eisner.decus.org wrote:  & >One way is to hard code a case table: >o; >	; Assume source character in R0, do translation in place.e
 >	cmpb	r0,#32  >	blssu	done >	cmpb	r0,#128 >	bgequ	10$k >	bisb	#128,r0
 >	brw	done >10$:f >	cmpb	r0,#160 >	blssu	done >	bicb	#128,r0 >done: >	& >Another way is to use a lookup table: >t >	.psect	data,noexe,quad >translation_table:b	 >	.byte	0e	 >	.byte	1z	 >	.byte	2n   etc.  @ Reminds me of the KL-10 instruction set. There was a string EDITF function in  the EXTENDed instruction set that allowed you to pass theD address of the source and destination strings as well as the addressF of the table. Another one took a binary argument and produced decminalD ASCII .  I once got marked down for being a smart ass and using thisA in an assembler course where we were supposed to do it long hand.o= Instructor hadn't even heard of the extended instruction set.2  D Funny I've never really got into VAX assembler even though I used toE write hundreds of pages of PDP-10 assembler code. Probably because itTA is far easier to interface with system services from a high leveltF language on VMS than it was on TOPS-20. With the notable exceptions ofE Chuck Hedrick's extended Pascal (SPASCAL - System Programmers Pascal) - and Simula, BCPL and maybe one or two others.Y --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2000 12:36:42 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>:7 Subject: Re: I need macro32 code for string replacementnH Message-ID: <y4hf4hzsqd.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ' agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) writes:L  = > I once got marked down for being a smart ass and using thisFC > in an assembler course where we were supposed to do it long hand. ? > Instructor hadn't even heard of the extended instruction set.   H Such instructors should be put out to pasture immediately, with whatever( pension they might have accrued revoked.   	Jan   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:56:34 +0100 (CET)1: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>7 Subject: Re: I need macro32 code for string replacementaJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012061554470.10098-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  2 On 5 Dec 2000 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: [...]e1 +  And why Macro32?  Why not some other language?   >  Because MACRO and DCL the only supported and "additional cost free" languages ?E    Regards - Gotfryd   -- oE =====================================================================7F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEt. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2000 12:06:28 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>	. Subject: Re: My interpretation of CSC responseH Message-ID: <y4vgsxzu4r.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ) "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov> writes:l  @ > The CSC did not mention that option to me, they only mentioned& > removing the JPI$M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP.  G ...which, of course, is pretty bad advice - or did they care to mention   to you the downside of doing so?  J Anyway, it should be almost trivial, given the source of EXE$GETJPI and ofM your program, to find the bug in the system service causing this, and to give ) a better recommendation for a workaround.-   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:34:45 +0000e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com) Subject: RE: Need help, thanks in advance1H Message-ID: <OFA8565C43.EF4234AB-ON802569AD.004A620B@qedi.quintiles.com>   Kerry,T I'm a little confused over what Oracle mean for OpenVMS on the web-page you mention.# The footnote applicable to VMS is :l1 "Dataserver and internet Application Server only"f   Any ideas what it means? Steve.  ; Kerry Main (kerry dot main at youknowwhere dot com) wrote :-J >>>Interesting sidenote and adds to Philip's comments .. "legacy" is beingI applied to all 32bit servers in general by Oracle ie. their new strategicc! direction is 64bit based servers.3  F <http://platforms.oracle.com/ao-pcgi-bin/getfile.htm?279303&htm> (site issueg' right now, but should be up shortly)<<<X   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:40:21 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brf" Subject: Pathworks to NT migrationL Message-ID: <OF5B3FC98C.9E645EDF-ON032569AD.006BB88F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  E I am trying to migrate one  Pathworks file share to a WNT file share.h< I created a static name in the WINS of the PCSA file server,F example:  TEST, but it=B4s not mapping. I did it a few years ago but I2 dont remember if there=B4s anything more (detail).  2 When I try a NET VIEW \\TEST,  it=B4s not working.  ) TEST is the alias of the new file server.s  $ I know it=B4s a netbios question....   Do  you have any idea ???1   Regards,   FC   =@   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2000 11:58:58 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>f5 Subject: Re: Problems installing MQ Series on VMS 6.2 H Message-ID: <y44s0h24ul.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  " John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:  E > One one of my 3 VMS nodes, "MC" does not equate to "MCR".  However,nL > this give "%DCL-W-ABVERB, ambiguous command verb - supply more characters"J > It is a sign of sloppiness, though.  Command files eschew abbreviations.= > (I've seen DEC/Compaq .com files that use "MC" also, IIRC.)n  N Any installation command file worth it's salt does a SET SYMBOL/SCOPE=NOGLOBAL+ as the second line. (So what is the first?)    	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:18:08 GMTb From: ryanf@csinet.net# Subject: Remote Dec Windows Problemu) Message-ID: <90loro$dnu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D I am having difficulty enabling the TCPIP transport on two Alphas... Previously I wrote...a  = > I have two Alpha 800s running OS V7.1-2 and UCX V4.2 ECO 3.a> > I am able to use exceed to launch a remote decwindow on a PCB > I AM NOT able to launch a remote decwindow from one Alpha to the other Alpha.H > I have gone into the style manager under security and have two entries > on each alpha: >    TCPIP x.x.x.x * >    TCPIP * */ > Where x.x.x.x is the other Alphas IP address.Y< > I also added the SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM5 > I made sure the TCPIP was mentioned as a transport.a  : I have had a couple suggestions from people since the then  * I have restarted the server$    @sys$manager:decw$startup restart    * I have typed the following:?    show logical/table=DECW$SERVER0_TABLE DECW$SERVER_TRANSPORTSo    WITH RESULT: ;    "DECW$SERVER_TRANSPORTS" = "DECNET" (DECW$SERVER0_TABLE)c         = "LOCAL"g         = "TCPIP"   D Also I have reboot both Alphas and viewed the server transports with the same result.   Still I am having no luck :(   Here is what is happening.....  2    SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=X.X.X.X/TRANSPORT=TCPIP    CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACHi  .    %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open display  A Anybody willing to offer any advice would be greatly appreciated!a 		Ryan    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:13:28 GMTt= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s' Subject: Re: Remote Dec Windows Probleme0 Message-ID: <009F4306.67E43B62@SendSpamHere.ORG>  B In article <90loro$dnu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, ryanf@csinet.net writes:E >I am having difficulty enabling the TCPIP transport on two Alphas...i >Previously I wrote... >d> >> I have two Alpha 800s running OS V7.1-2 and UCX V4.2 ECO 3.? >> I am able to use exceed to launch a remote decwindow on a PCvC >> I AM NOT able to launch a remote decwindow from one Alpha to thet
 >other Alpha.eI >> I have gone into the style manager under security and have two entriesx >> on each alpha:e >>    TCPIP x.x.x.x *  >>    TCPIP * * 0 >> Where x.x.x.x is the other Alphas IP address.= >> I also added the SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COMr6 >> I made sure the TCPIP was mentioned as a transport. >b; >I have had a couple suggestions from people since the thenc > * I have restarted the servers% >   @sys$manager:decw$startup restarth >d > * I have typed the following:o@ >   show logical/table=DECW$SERVER0_TABLE DECW$SERVER_TRANSPORTS >   WITH RESULT:< >   "DECW$SERVER_TRANSPORTS" = "DECNET" (DECW$SERVER0_TABLE) >        = "LOCAL" >        = "TCPIP" >KE >Also I have reboot both Alphas and viewed the server transports withi >the same result.  >a >Still I am having no luck :(f >s >Here is what is happening.....m >r3 >   SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=X.X.X.X/TRANSPORT=TCPIPi >   CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACH >t/ >   %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open displayr >tB >Anybody willing to offer any advice would be greatly appreciated! >		Ryan0 >: >0' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/m >Before you buy.    B Issue UCX SHOW DEVICE and see if there is a listener on port 6000:  >   bg17        STREAM    6000       0  X-server         0.0.0.0  H Try TELNETting to port 6000 on each box and see what errors you receive.  E Try running something that is simpler than a DECterm.  I usually testn! using SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$PUZZLE.EXE.a   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMd            @O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:08:39 +0100% From: "Philip J. Lewis" <phl@bwsc.dk>n Subject: Re: Sun Cluster/ Message-ID: <kmnX5.50$%N2.1014@news.get2net.dk>t  K Very sad, very true.  Suntan Bob and his willing board have a lot to answerl for.  B Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote in message <3a2ce902@news.kapsch.co.at>... >In articleyA <OFA053F948.619B0B3A-ON032569AC.003C158D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,s+ fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: K >>There's a news in CNET about the new Sun Cluster, comparisons with HP and- >>IBM, but no OpenVMS0 >>L >>http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3995209.html?tag=3Dst.ne.1002.thed.ni >s >Why are you surprised ?H >Did you really think, that what Q said to _some_ of its customers ("oh,G >haven't you heard, VMS is _not_ dead, [yet] ?") will revert the damageyE >that DEC (and COMPAQ too) - and not the competition - did to VMS for  >the last six years ?o >iH >Only if Q is _really_ willing to extend the VMS community and proves itI >not only with new products (remember, VMS engineering has never been the I >problem so far) but also with ads (not the nebulous nonstop ads with x86 J >proliants, eg. ad campaigns about what a real cluster is and who inventedH >it,...) and marketing (eg. with a _lot_ of comparision charts where VMSF >is not missing, eg. with talks to the trade press all over the world,E >eg. with a _lot_ of surveys where VMS is not missing at the opsys ofh7 >choice...) there is a small chance for VMS to survive.y > E >All other is the slow dead of VMS and Q customers (as already provedeF >the last years, they won't buy any other DEC/COMPAQ products anymore)H >because in the head of the most PHMs/MGMs VMS died already years ago... >h >--n= >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651n< >Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888= ><<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netCI >A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:59:57 +0100r/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>- Subject: re: Sun Cluster7 Message-ID: <009F42FC.225AAC7A.22@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>i   >=20F > There=B4s a news in CNET about the new Sun Cluster, comparisons wit= h HP and > IBM, but no OpenVMSD >=20F > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3995209.html?tag=3Dst.ne.1002.= thed.nix >=20	 > Regards  >=20 > FC =20t+ Yes, the same old story, VMS being ignored.   F On the other hand, "The register" spins differently and does mention = VMSd (favorably).=20t  - "Sun goes shoplifting for Christmas Clusters"a1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15251.html   	 =09Yours,t =09=09Nigel Arnota3 =09=09NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                  =20   ; =09=09"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."b   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:29:03 GMTa From: jbecker@ui.urban.org Subject: re: Sun Cluster) Message-ID: <90lt0j$hlv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  G At the November 28 ESILUG meeting (Washington DC area), we heard a goodsD talk comparing "cluster" features on various technologies offered byB Compaq and others. The talk was delivered by Ken Moreau of Compaq.G Though he has a VMS background (author of VMSCAI and EDTCAI), he strove ? for a platform-neutral, vendor-neutral description of facts andc	 features.   G His PowerPoint presentation and an Excel spreadsheet comparing featuresoE are available at the ESILUG web site (URL below). On the ESILUG page,g follow the Presentations link.   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)c7 Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)t    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:38:03 -0500# From: "Tech1" <TechnX@mechtech.com>  Subject: symbiont to delete FF?v$ Message-ID: <R7tX5.17$104.89@client>  L Our proprietary software, when producing spool-files, inserts a form-feed atF the beginning of the file, a hold over from the line-printer days. TheG problem is that the code which does the insert is so deeply imbedded in ( kernal code that it can't be turned off.H We are printing to an HP5000 via the UCX$LPD_SMB symbiont. Is there someL sort of command line to insert into the setup module to tell the symbiont to; ignore the first formfeed? Or is there a logical available?v Thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 11:50:02 -0500n From: briggs@eisner.decus.org # Subject: Re: symbiont to delete FF?n+ Message-ID: <g2vYArBDtk8D@eisner.decus.org>t  J In article <R7tX5.17$104.89@client>, "Tech1" <TechnX@mechtech.com> writes:N > Our proprietary software, when producing spool-files, inserts a form-feed atH > the beginning of the file, a hold over from the line-printer days. TheI > problem is that the code which does the insert is so deeply imbedded int* > kernal code that it can't be turned off.J > We are printing to an HP5000 via the UCX$LPD_SMB symbiont. Is there someN > sort of command line to insert into the setup module to tell the symbiont to= > ignore the first formfeed? Or is there a logical available?.  K You might consider using EXECSYMB as a filter to strip the form feed beforee. passing the print job on to the real symbiont.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2000 18:23:15 GMTi/ From: Hans.Bachner@altavista.net (Hans Bachner)r$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears( Message-ID: <90m3mq.a9.1@hans.myfqdn.de>  0 NewsReader (NewsReader@NotOnYourLife.Com) wrote:  F >I contacted Compaq after downloading the patch & not able to install.D >They said the PCSI kit wasn't available! (that was a week after theF >TCP/IP ECO was released). Now what is the point of releasing a kit we7 >can't install? To tease us perhaps... I'm waiting too.n  L Unfortunately, the DEC-VAXVMS-VMS72_PCSI ECO is still not available (to the  best of my knowledge).  G Please call your local service center and ask them to send you the pre- I release of this ECO (version A1.0) if you have an urgent need to install -( the TCP/IP ECO on OpenVMS VAX V7.2 now.    Hope this helps. -- s: ---------------- speaking only for myself ----------------: Hans Bachner               E-Mail: Hans.Bachner@compaq.com Compaq Computer Austriae+ Compaq Customer Services - Software Supportg   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:19:59 GMTr3 From: corbett@epp.ne.mediaone.net (Michael Corbett)h- Subject: Re: TCPware/Purveyor Problem Part #2-8 Message-ID: <slrn92snd6.k7a.corbett@epp.ne.mediaone.net>  J On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 01:56:25 GMT, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:  >Thanks for the prompt response.I >Is the plus sign in the ACL documented anywhere? (web or hardcopy docs?)s >s >Neil Rieck  >t  H         Glad I could help.  It was incorrectly documented in some of theF earlier versions of the documentation.  I think it had the "+" and "*"J descriptions reversed.  The last HTML documentation included with Purveyor does have it correct -    3 http://vms.process.com/~help/helpaccess.html#E9E134    regardst Mike   -- uK +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+dD Michael Corbett                           Email: Corbett@process.comB Process Software                          Phone: 800 722-7770 x369B 959 Concord St.                                  508 879-6994 x369= Framingham MA 01701-4682                  FAX:   508 879-0042n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:21:58 +0100% From: "Philip J. Lewis" <phl@bwsc.dk>p Subject: Re: US Constitution/ Message-ID: <PynX5.58$%N2.1111@news.get2net.dk>c  J Well, given the absolute numbers of soldiers deployed on the eastern frontD by Germany (all having their balls frozen off), v. the number in theL European theatre, I think we should give the "saved our bacon" credit to theJ Russians (yes I know about Murmansk).  The Americans, and all the rest did, help though, and quite important it was too!  G As I recall, that minor skirmish in Kursk amounted to more material andnF human loss in 24 hours than the entire US European land forces for theL entire war - but my memory is a bit hazy (history classes were so long ago).F A million men, more planes downed than the entire "Battle of Britain",: largest tank battle in the history of the planet etc. etc.  I On the nuclear thing, well it seems recent irrefuatable evidence suggestsbD that the Germans were _not_ actually trying to make the bomb, havingK concluded that it was not possible, their efforts were directed elsewhere -dG to power generation as I recall.  The post war story of how the GermanseB almost had the bomb first, the supposed "race" etc, is not in factK accurate - which goes to show how much the Official Secrets Act affects the0 writing of history.r  $ Returning to our normal programming.    E John D. Peedle wrote in message <90ju87$ubt$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...D= >The Americans saved our bacon. There is no question of that.> >  >What upsets people is:l( >   They waited so long to get involved.J >   They milked us (the British) of everything they could before they did.J >   Their unjustified cocky atitude - if we had the natural resources that >the US has...+ >   We were expected to be sooooo grateful.= >=L >America should remember that it needs the rest of the world a lot more thanL >we need it. It needs us to sell to, to buy from, and, just occasionally, toC >gently remind it that things were not *quite* like that after all.= > J >During 19 years in the Military, I worked with US Forces on more than oneJ >occasion. Their logistic support is second to none. Their chaps are keen,H >enthusiastic (if a little undisciplined!) and dedicated. (We still beat them0 >every time we play war games with them though!) > E >All that said, I do not agree with Nicholas Monsarrat who said " ThemF >Americans are not a great race, there's just a lot of them". They are great,	 >usually.r >y8 >Isn't this way off topic? (good conversation though...) >d >John D. Peedle  >w >  >s >l >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:37:22 +0000n8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: RE: US ConstitutionL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240112000@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  K >Well, given the absolute numbers of soldiers deployed on the eastern front E >by Germany (all having their balls frozen off), v. the number in theBI >European theatre, I think we should give the "saved our bacon" credit to  thepK >Russians (yes I know about Murmansk).  The Americans, and all the rest didt- >help though, and quite important it was too!   K This in itself is a distortion of the WWII story. If it hadn't been for theeI NAZI-Russian alliance at the beginning Hitler may not have invaded Poland.J when he did and this alliance freed up soldiers to start a campaign in the West.   K While absolute numbers are often impressive the impact on the final outcomeaK may not always be proportional to the numbers involved. The real saviour of L this country was the English Channel just as the Pacific and Atlantic OceansF and their vastness  ensured the USA's continued prosperity. It was the: vastness of "Russia" which made the real difference there.  E It would have taken just one bullet in WWII to end the whole businessoH however many were used overall. It could take just one vote to decide anL election however many votes were cast and accurately counted. As we all knowI it could take just one bit to make the difference between a program whichh works and one which doesn't.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax):   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:17:56 GMTc% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)i Subject: Re: US Constitution1 Message-ID: <3a2e56c4.190606317@news.newsguy.com>h  B On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:21:58 +0100, "Philip J. Lewis" <phl@bwsc.dk> wrote:    J >On the nuclear thing, well it seems recent irrefuatable evidence suggestsE >that the Germans were _not_ actually trying to make the bomb, havingpL >concluded that it was not possible, their efforts were directed elsewhere -H >to power generation as I recall.  The post war story of how the Germans  E From what I've read Hitler was extremely dubious about an atomic bombhC ( a Jewsih lie) which certainly delayed the project but I was under E the impression that a lot of effort was still put into research later F in the war. Hitler's wierder theories lead him to believe in black sun energy, whatever that might be.C  A Possibly, as you say below, the Hitler bomb was just what we wereo; supposed to think. Can you provide references to any recentl information?     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2000 12:13:10 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r5 Subject: Re: Use the e-store button off the home pageTH Message-ID: <y4sno1zttl.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  9 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:T  M > > Please use www.openvms.compaq.com and select the shop the OpenVMS e-storeu > I counted some nine cookies!  J It does work without them, though. Which a lot of sites don't do (and theyM never see me again, apart from the one site I have a seperate contract with).D   	Jan   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:18:59 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>5 Subject: Re: Use the e-store button off the home pagea' Message-ID: <G55H3n.ICo@spcuna.spc.edu>   I Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:.L > It does work without them, though. Which a lot of sites don't do (and theyO > never see me again, apart from the one site I have a seperate contract with).r  J   Nope. If you reject all cookies, you wind up with an empty shopping cart at checkout time...o  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:51:29 -0800b! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com25 Subject: Re: Use the e-store button off the home pagejD Message-ID: <OF3400E3FD.EC0E259D-ON882569AD.006787FB@foundation.com>  K I surf with cookies disabled, and it didn't mind letting me in. The cookiesl are apparently optional.   ShaneV          K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> on 12/05/2000 06:12:05 PMO   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn cc:r  6 Subject:  Re: Use the e-store button off the home page     Sue Skonetski wrote: >iK > Please use www.openvms.compaq.com and select the shop the OpenVMS e-storeC   I counted some nine cookies!   -- David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.V   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:42:12 +0100 (CET)C: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>$ Subject: Re: Very weird DCL behaviorJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012061439580.10098-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  " On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Syltrem wrote:  K +The problem with SYNCH is that the backup processes are detached processesPL +(I mean, not *real* detached, but separate from my main process). The way I  9  Probably Hoff describes properly: you use subprocesses ?/  H +do it, I mount the tape in the main procedure, and backups append to itK +(BACK/NOREW) without having to rewind the tape after every backup command.r + J +The SYNCH method would take at least twice as long to complete everythingK +because of the time required to rewind the tape, then for the next processl< +to go at logical end-of-tape befors actually doing its job.    Wait a moment.t  Why ??r  >  Althought not ALLOCATing the tape (or braking the allocation)= is *not* a good idea - if you ask "only" for the "not rewind" ; problem - then say why not simply MOUNT/NOUNLOAD the tape ?2; (or DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD, regards how you will handle the tapeu while error)   [...]  +Syltrem [...]5 [...citate from Hoff...]  =  Additional request from me: can you answer *after* the citetv, text ? That is much more readable... Thanks.  @ +"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message [...].K +>   I'd probably either use SYNCH and separate batch jobs, or (if you havetK +>   four tape drives), a four-slot batch queue and ALLOCATE mmdu:,mmdu,...oJ +>   or ALLOCATE/GENERIC, as this can greatly simplify the synchronization +>   involved.    Agree. But:   [...]0E +>   Looks like something is getting scrozzled deep within DCL, or inhD +>   the code between OpenVMS and the mailbox driver -- DCL can onlyC +>   use mailboxes with some additional assistance, so you are, um, = +>   boldly going where few DCL programmers have gone before.   ?  Have use mailboxes from vanilia DCL without problems, even theuA DCL-created (implementation of the old, known here trick can sendn anyone who asks) TMPU_ one.p    Will suspect: 1. as Hoff say:o  K +>   Please acquire and apply the current ECOs for whatever OpenVMS release   - a bug in specific version    or:? 2. a bug in implementation regard for the SYS$COMMAND/SYS$INPUTV  dependence for subprocess. B   The "suspected line" looks like b.ex. DCL verify read as command( or something, and we must remember that: $ spawn/input=A @B< (A and B can be both files, mailboxes or other devices) will< execute commands from B, but when B ends or line starts with "$" A can be read for commands.     Check:O $ spa/inp=tt: @tt:$ %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process GS_1 spawned6 %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process GS_1@ $ write sys$output f$environment("depth")	! Executed from /INPUT 1d* _$ write sys$output f$environment("depth") 18/ _$  Exit ! Here CTL-Z is send as "end-of-input"l= $ write sys$output f$environment("depth")	! Executes from "@"  0s $ lo4   Process GS_1 logged out at  6-DEC-2000 14:21:49.03/ %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process GSe $   <  SET VERIFY with the behaviour gives spectacular effects -:):  The <NL> is suspected: looks like SEARCH in pipe... ? (or DCL bug, sure).   )  I am little confused with the following:r  - $       Read Backup_Mbx Mbx_Rec /Time_Out=2550  6 ...because RMS mailbox read timeout support is limited5 to /TIME=0 (documented in RMS manual and pointed here 4 from time to time) - then you must have code without time-related problems -:)i
  Short check:f  7 $ crembx tst ! procedure with the TMBU hack on DCL pathg8 %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process MBX20400126/ %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process GS  $ sh dev tst  . Device                  Device           Error.  Name                   Status           Count. MBA56:                  Online               0 $ sh log/full tst F    "TST" [super,confine] = "_BUK$MBA56" [terminal] (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) $ read/time=0 tst line  %RMS-E-EOF, end of file detected $ read/time=3 tst line$ [hangs as long the mailbox is empty]    Regards - Gotfryd   -- "E =====================================================================.F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEI. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:13:00 +0000t  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com$ Subject: Re: Very weird DCL behaviorH Message-ID: <OFE38DB61B.A35C0B3B-ON802569AD.0052A490@qedi.quintiles.com>  K What are you looking to achieve, what do you really require of your backupsj5 and what do you have available to do your backups on?-  E For our site with multiple tapes in multiple drives (we use a pair ofc, TL892s on each production cluster) we have :9 - one batch queue per tape drive with a job limit of one; J - a batch job that runs each evening (at about tea-time) that submits jobsK to all of the tape related batch queues in a specified order.  Each job has  a specific release time.  G This eliminates the need to do any synchronisation commands as the tape H device (say MKA100) is only ever used by a job in the NODE1_MKA100 batchG queue.  When one job has finished then the next one starts (just like am< print queue, but using the tape drive as the output device).  " This serves a number of purposes :E - provided that the tape doesn't overrun then we know precisely whiche backup is on which tape;I - each of the backups are only done on one drive so we know which tape int which drive/stacker/library; - the jobs always run in order;iI - one tape can contain one or more savesets or can hold part of a savesetm if a continuation tape is used;f  K Hence, if you need to get back a specific file from your user disk then youiD can go to your firesafe and get the appropriate user disk backup and restore the files from that.  K One can also play other games like reading in a list file in the submissionmJ job to run a specific series of jobs on a particular night of the week/dayH of the month yet still submit the same batch job to run during the early evening.  B Using multiple tapes and just going to the next tape device that'sK available starts to suggest something like Veritas as a backup solution, in + which case one would have to ask WHY???????B   Steve.  , Syltrem (syltrem at videotron dot ca) asked:H >>>I use a DCL procedure (what else!) to do my nightly backups. I have 4 tapeB drives, and I backup parts of my data (that could be one disk, oneB directory, one oracle db - but it doesn`t really matter). The main	 procedure K has a list of things to do which it dispatches (via a spawn/nowait command)o! to the next available tape drive.l  E When one backup is finiished, the spawned procedure notifies the mainMI process that it has finished so that another job can be sent to that tape  drive (am I clear enough?).e  I Upon reading the mailbox, the main procedure sometimes (once every 100 or). 200 times it does the READ command) hits error* %RMS-E-RSA, record stream currently activeD when (or right after) reading the mailbox. I do not know why this isI happening, and the weird thing about this is that the .LOG shows commandsC) that do not exist in the .COM file, like:-   $       Set NoOn- $       Read Backup_Mbx Mbx_Rec /Time_Out=2550; $       If .not. $(Backup_Status<NL><NL>0,Mbx_Rec)<NL>_DiskM* %RMS-E-RSA, record stream currently active
 $ Error_Trap:t $       Exit_Status = $STATUS7   Note:@J a) The 2nd line in this .LOG excerpt does not belong to the .COM. Note the! <NL> characters in the line, too. I b) The error message does not follow immediately the READ command, but itb sure is related to itsF c) The SET NOON seems to have no effect as the procedure jumps into my error  trap.   & The .COM contains the following lines: $       Set NoOn- $       Read Backup_Mbx Mbx_Rec /Time_Out=255 2 $       If .not. $STATUS then Goto Backup_One_Disk $       Set On" $       Unit = f$extr(0,1,Mbx_Rec), $       Backup_Status = f$extr(1,10,Mbx_Rec)  K It seems like the DLC processor has lost its pointer in reading the command- file.h   Can someone help?<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:30:43 -0600  From: fwheeler@csc.com( Subject: Re: VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date?9 Message-ID: <OF9BCFE2BC.5504E1E2-ON862569AD.0056D7E5@com>2  5 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) told me:-K >In article <OFEBC84F85.263D898E-ON862569AB.005B2F9E@com>, fwheeler@csc.coms writes:s >:The VMS FAQ at the FTP siteu/ >:ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/vms.F >:is dated 29Nov1999. It seems like there should be a more recent copy there. > G >  It does, doesn't it.  Please use the www.openvms.compaq.com address,o) >  or the MIT RTFM address. 8< snip... 8=aG Thanks. I got what I needed from the MIT site. I couldn't find an *FTP*AH dowloadable FAQ on the www.openvms.compaq.com site; is there supposed to be one?I  > /Scott Wheeler * Computer Sciences Corporation * Fort Worth TX   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2000 12:03:56 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>o Subject: Re: VMS vs. Tru64 UnixnH Message-ID: <y4y9xtzu8z.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  1 Paul Repacholi <prep@k9.prep.synonet.com> writes:i  I > > Unix has RADicalied/NUMAtied its UBC. [...] Unix (currently) has the rF > > additional benefit of using a RAD-local adapter for it's IO if an  > >access path is available. > What do you mean by RAD?  M I think it stands for "resource administration domain" or somesuch. There's adM VMS presentation of things done to V7.2 (IIRC) to enable it. What it means is K that the OS knows about certain processors and memory being "nearer" - that I is, on the same QBB - than others, and acting accordingly when allocating 
 resources.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:18:34 -0500 - From: Dave O'Brien <obrien@mail.amergent.com>w Subject: Re: Zip Help!!!A Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001206121440.00c375c0@mail.amergent.com>o  K That explains a lot.  I agree that there are better ways, but in this case rF a file needed to be ftp'ed to a remote site.  The file was more blank L filler space than anything, so I knew that be zipping it the resulting file . would be many times smaller than the original.  J Thanks for the information.  At least now I can point to a real practical 7 limit for zip files rather than shrugging my shoulders!i   Dave  3 At 07:07 PM 12/5/00 -0600, David J. Dachtera wrote:r >Dave O'Brien wrote: > > J > > Speaking of zip problems, does anyone know of a size limitation on theM > > input file when creating a zip file?  I haven't figured out exactly whereuE > > the limit is, but is seems to be somewhere in the neighborhood ofi > > 2GB.  Here is an example:g >tG >The file size would be circa. %7fffffff, the maximum value that can ben  >expressed in a signed longword. >t
 > > [snip] > > Any ideas? >eI >The lastest-and-greatest, V2.3 supports up to 4GB files (%Xffffffff, the H >maximum file size that can be expressed in an unsigned longword). You'd- >need UNZIP V5.4-1 to unpack such an archive.- >  >Get it at (no, not Porky's):4, >ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/infozip/VMS/ >tD >...but, I'll repeat once again that there are, IMHO, better ways toH >archive such large files and that the CPU time necessary for attemptingH >to compress such huge files is very likely to make it prohibitive: some* >hours on an Alpha, perhaps days on a VAX. >rF >A recent test showed that a VAX (normal production load) took nine(9)I >times longer to ZIP a "small" (circa. 10MB) file than an Alpha (VAX 4000 I >Vs. Alpha 2100 4/300 (I think)). That means a nine(9) hour ZIP job on and7 >Alpha would run for 81 hours (3 09:00:00.00) on a VAX.  >s? >DLT would be a far better alternative than ZIP, GZIP or BZIP2.n >p >--v >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/n      @ ----------------------------------------------------------------4 Dave O'Brien                     Phone: 978-531-18004 Director, Information Technology Fax:   978-531-4451@ Amergent                         Email: obrien@mail.amergent.com9 9 Centennial Drive               http://www.amergent.com/  Peabody, MA  01960@ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.681 ************************