1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 08 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 684       Contents:+ Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash" + Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash" + Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash" ( ??== Allocating only one block per file., RE: ??== Allocating only one block per file., Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file., Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file.. Re: A great Shockwave flash movie  VIRUS ALERT5 advice sought on transparent failover / IP clustering . Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drives. Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drives Re: Connecting a CD-writer.. Re: DEC BASIC : relative files Email alias on DEC TCP/IP  Re: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP  RE: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP  RE: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP 5 Re: Excess RA disks, HSC controllers, etc., available  Re: how to sort a CSV file Re: IO channels quota  Re: IO channels quota  Re: IO channels quota  Re: IO channels quota   Re: Need help, thanks in advance One world, one processor! Recall: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP ) Re: Source/availability of 60m DAT media? ) Re: Source/availability of 60m DAT media?  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster - Re: Sun CSV Constitution Election Belly Laugh - Re: Sun CSV Constitution Election Belly Laugh - Re: Unintensional change port characteristics  RE: Very weird DCL behavior  Re: Very weird DCL behavior  Re: Very weird DCL behavior  Re: VMS "froze"  Re: VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date?  Re: VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date? , Re: Why do I have to run DECW$UTILS:XREFRESH) Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 14:34:26 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash"+ Message-ID: <ZY9uEPO$KzKD@eisner.decus.org>   K In article <90o726$dg2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, david_dawkins@my-deja.com writes:   ; > I'm keen to get the terminology right; what do you call a  > "process crash"?  : I don't use the term.  Perhaps you mean nonfatal bugcheck.: Perhaps you mean program failure.  The term "crash" in VMS9 is generally reserved for occasions when the whole system  comes down and has to rebllt.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 20:12:13 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)4 Subject: Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash", Message-ID: <90oqut$mgp@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  K In article <90o90m$f6n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, david_dawkins@my-deja.com writes:  >-- : >So I have no accounting info, no stack trace, no dump, no8 >crash with bugcheck=fatal, (and no clue).  what's left? >   H Did you try running it interactively in the debugger?  That would be an G option if you can make it run in a normal mode and you have a series of I input files/commands that will always cause this type of crash.  That way G you could at least set a trace and watch it up to the point at which it  goes boom.    J If you can't get it to fail interactively there's always the printf debug @ method.  Open a log file and right after each module entry pointH use printf to send the name of that module to the log file.  When you'veG narrowed the failure down to the module you can print other information H that way, and through print statements localize the failure point to theD line.   Unfortunately this method sometimes fails because putting inD the printf changes the nature of the bug and it won't fail any more!   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:11:31 GMT ! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com> 4 Subject: Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash"& Message-ID: <xgs1xAAZpAM6EwVX@gol.com>  H In article <90oqut$mgp@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp .bio.caltech.edu> writesL >In article <90o90m$f6n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, david_dawkins@my-deja.com writes: >>--; >>So I have no accounting info, no stack trace, no dump, no 9 >>crash with bugcheck=fatal, (and no clue).  what's left?  >> > I >Did you try running it interactively in the debugger?  That would be an  H >option if you can make it run in a normal mode and you have a series ofJ >input files/commands that will always cause this type of crash.  That wayH >you could at least set a trace and watch it up to the point at which it >goes boom.  > K >If you can't get it to fail interactively there's always the printf debug  A >method.  Open a log file and right after each module entry point I >use printf to send the name of that module to the log file.  When you've H >narrowed the failure down to the module you can print other informationI >that way, and through print statements localize the failure point to the E >line.   Unfortunately this method sometimes fails because putting in E >the printf changes the nature of the bug and it won't fail any more!  > 	 >Regards,  > 
 >David Mathog  >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu@ >Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   H This looks like a good way to go - running the detached process in debug against a terminal.    --  
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:01:58 +0200 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)1 Subject: ??== Allocating only one block per file. A Message-ID: <aus-0812000201580001@wex167.extern.uni-wuerzburg.de>   H Is it possible to allocate only one block per disk file without changing the cluster size on the disk?   P Our OVMS 7.2-1/Alpha receives approximately 1,000 files daily via a FTP server.   ? 1) These text files contain less than one block of information. I 2) The files need to be directly accessible by name from a program for at  least one year.   I Is it possible define a default file allocation to just one block for all ' those files received by the FTP server?   H What are the negative consequences of initializing one disk to a cluster size of one or three blocks?    ( Is three blocks a reasonable compromise?  ' How many files can a directory contain?    --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:42:26 -0800  From: IOlson@dairyworld.com 5 Subject: RE: ??== Allocating only one block per file. M Message-ID: <763C579A82F7D3118EE400D0B74723D10166B647@exchsrv.dairyworld.com>    >-----Original Message----- A >From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de [mailto:aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de]  >Sent: December 7, 2000 16:02  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 >Subject: ??== Allocating only one block per file. >  > I >Is it possible to allocate only one block per disk file without changing  >the cluster size on the disk?   No  H >Our OVMS 7.2-1/Alpha receives approximately 1,000 files daily via a FTP server.  > @ >1) These text files contain less than one block of information.J >2) The files need to be directly accessible by name from a program for at >least one year. > J >Is it possible define a default file allocation to just one block for all( >those files received by the FTP server?  	 See above   I >What are the negative consequences of initializing one disk to a cluster  >size of one or three blocks?   ) Someone else can comment here too please. K If you do HELP INIT/CLUS you will see the parameters you have to work with. E Basically you can only break up a disk into about 1 million clusters. J If the disk is larger than 3 million blocks, then clusters of 3 are out of
 the question.   G There is also the "Maximum files allowed" on the disk (SHOW DEVICE/FULL  <disk>). See HELP INIT/MAX .   L I know it is also possible to BIND several disks into a single logical disk.J However I no longer remember whether this buys you anything over the above limitations.  ) >Is three blocks a reasonable compromise?  > ( >How many files can a directory contain?  K I'm not sure what the limit is, but that isn't what you should be concerned  with anyway.K I have heard a "rule of thumb" that a directory should have fewer than 1000 C files in it. If there are more than that you will start to see some A performance degradation when/if you create or delete files in it. H Having said that, we've got a few directories with over 10000 files thatJ don't behave "too badly", and a few that are even bigger than that that DO
 behave badly. G I would be EXTREMELY reluctant to create directories with 400000 files. F Can you sub-divide them into (eg) one day? one week?   Think about it.   >-- C >Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   
 Ingemar Olson * IT Department, Sperling     (604) 444-7367 Dairyworld FOODS   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:08:23 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 5 Subject: Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file. - Message-ID: <3A305EB7.AEE5E40C@earthlink.net>    "Hans M. Aus" wrote: > J > Is it possible to allocate only one block per disk file without changing > the cluster size on the disk?     Depends on the size of the disk.   Q > Our OVMS 7.2-1/Alpha receives approximately 1,000 files daily via a FTP server.  > A > 1) These text files contain less than one block of information. K > 2) The files need to be directly accessible by name from a program for at  > least one year.   D Consider "archiving" them using the LIBRARIAN command, and using theD LBR$ system service in your program to retrieve the "small messages" from the library when needed.   F There is also an API for the freeware ZIP and/or PKZIP, if I'm not too badly mistaken.    K > Is it possible define a default file allocation to just one block for all ) > those files received by the FTP server?    No, not to my knowledge.   J > What are the negative consequences of initializing one disk to a cluster > size of one or three blocks?    Depends on the size of the disk.   * > Is three blocks a reasonable compromise?    Depends on the size of the disk.  ) > How many files can a directory contain?   G Any number (well, almost). The question is: how big can a directory get F before it is no longer cache-able? ...and I believe the answer (ODS-2,> pre-V7.2) is 128 blocks. That changes for newer VMS and ODS-5.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:07:01 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>5 Subject: Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file. 7 Message-ID: <200012080007_MC2-BDD9-238B@compuserve.com>   9 Message text written by INTERNET:aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de J >Is it possible to allocate only one block per disk file without changing=   >the cluster size on the disk?  0 Yes.  The cluster size must already be one block  H >Our OVMS 7.2-1/Alpha receives approximately 1,000 files daily via a FTP	 server. =     @ >1) These text files contain less than one block of information.J >2) The files need to be directly accessible by name from a program for a= t  >least one year. > J >Is it possible define a default file allocation to just one block for al= l ( >those files received by the FTP server?   Yes.  See HELP SET RMS_DEFAULT  J >What are the negative consequences of initializing one disk to a cluster=   >size of one or three blocks? =     J The allocation bitmap takes a lot of space.  INDEXF.SYS will occupy 50% o= f C the disk if all files are one block and the disk is fully utilized.   =  ) >Is three blocks a reasonable compromise?   J If all files are one block, a cluster size of three will waste two thirds=  ; of the disk!  I wouldn't call that a reasonable compromise!   ) >How many files can a directory contain?<   G There is no limit that I am aware of.  Very large directories, however, J perform very poorly in older versions of VMS.  VMS V7.2 fixes some of the=  J performance problems but I would not want to have a directory with 400,00= 0  files!  D I think you need to rethink the design of the application!  Would anA indexed sequential file work?  Should you be thinking in terms of @ retrieving records from a database instead of files from a disk?J An application that needs to access 400,000 files seems a little bizarre!=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 06:28:49 -0800 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: Re: A great Shockwave flash movie  VIRUS ALERT 1 Message-ID: <071801c0605a$15cf8aa0$f6c7cccf@reka>   L Received another mail yesterday, this is a virus, don't do it. It apparently behaves like the love bug  ----- Original Message -----+ From: "Ari, Nasit -AES" <nasit.ari@itt.com>  To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> + Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:52 AM & Subject: A great Shockwave flash movie     > J > Check out this new flash movie that I downloaded just now ... It's Great > Bye  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 01:31:14 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")> Subject: advice sought on transparent failover / IP clustering8 Message-ID: <009F43FB.F652F61D@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --   M So I have a cluster in which the two relevant systems are Alphaserver 800 and I 2100 attached to an HSZ70, running VMS 7.2-1 and Multinet 4.3.  They run  J the Rdb database, OSU web server (although we might change to CSWS at some& point), PMDF for mail processing, etc.  J The sitewide DNS is not under my control, although I can request that theyO put systems in there for me.  (I'm not a BIND expert; I think they're running a  current version on Solaris.)  G I would like to define ip names for services rather than for nodes, eg  H mail-ssrl, www-ssrl, rdb-ssrl, and have those service names be respondedG to by whichever system is least heavily loaded, but, more importantly,  L if one of those systems goes down, by the one that remains up.  (I want thisD to be true whether it goes down for planned upgrade or for a crash.)  G A round-robin DNS entry, which I could easily get set up, would, if one J system died, send users to the dead system half the time.  I think I couldJ the sitewide DNS to delegate the resolution of my service names to a DNS IH maintained, but then I run the risk of my DNS - which obviously can't beI one of my two main cluster nodes - going down.  The DNS would try to keep K track of the health of my main cluster nodes, and perhaps one of my cluster G nodes keep track of the health of the DNS and take on its IP address as F well if it goes down, meanwhile notifying someone who can do somethingJ about it, which I think I know how to do in Multinet if I  have a separate interface for it.)  J Similarly, I was looking at load-balancing/QoS external boxes, which wouldH essentially keep track of the state of both systems and pass requests toH the right one, but it seems to me that this introduces a single point ofK failure to the system.  If my Zeus box dies, it doesn't matter that both my  regular systems are up.   J How do you set up what are effectively IP cluster-alias service names thatG increase apparent reliability and uptime rather than taking the risk of K decreasing them?  I would of course be especially interested in ways to do  5 it that don't involve spending any additional money.    M We're a CSLG site, so I could theoretically change to TCP/IP Services if that M made it easier to do this than Multinet does (although I've started using the N SSH server that comes with Multinet 4.3 and like it, so I'd hate to do that; I0 have a lot of Multinet background and no UCX.)    ( Thanks in advance for any useful advice.   -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:54:27 -0800n7 From: Baron Waste <baronwaste@baronwaste.spaamfree.com>?7 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drivesnD Message-ID: <071220001154279322%baronwaste@baronwaste.spaamfree.com>  > In article <86d7faox9w.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>, Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com> wrote:  H >         I'm trying to find what's the size limit for disk drives on anF > AlphaStation 255/300 with VMS 7.2. I currently have two 4 GB drives,@ > both of which have been spinning for entirely too long and are. > starting to log too many errors for comfort. > G >         This is a hobby system, so buying genuine RZ series is out ofIH > the question. And finding "small" 4GB drives locally has been a trying > adventure... > 6 >         No shortage of 15GB and above drives though. > I >         Any idea if these would work on this beast? I BTFW (browsed theo> > fine website) at Compaq but didn't find anything relevant... >  > -jav  C I have an AS 255/300 and loaded it with pair of 18GB IBM drives (inlE addition to a DEC RZ28D as the system disk). They're running togetherlA as a simple shadow-set. No problems. The drives themselves are 1" B high and seem to run quite cool. I got the SCSI-2 (50-pin) versionB so no adapters were required. (In case you want to get some a show; device/full identifies them as part number IBM DNES-318350)M   -- Dave Spencer, PageWeavers   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 23:08:22 GMTR2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)7 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 255/300 and large disk drives-, Message-ID: <90p596$sgs@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ~ In article <071220001154279322%baronwaste@baronwaste.spaamfree.com>, Baron Waste <baronwaste@baronwaste.spaamfree.com> writes: >ZD >I have an AS 255/300 and loaded it with pair of 18GB IBM drives (inF >addition to a DEC RZ28D as the system disk). They're running togetherB >as a simple shadow-set. No problems. The drives themselves are 1"C >high and seem to run quite cool. I got the SCSI-2 (50-pin) versionrC >so no adapters were required. (In case you want to get some a showi< >device/full identifies them as part number IBM DNES-318350)  J The size limit that's a problem is the one set by the boot ROMs.  Once VMSJ is running the size limit will go up.  If you put an OS on one of the 18Gb drives can you boot from it? 9   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu0? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech -   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:25:06 -0500* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>% Subject: Re: Connecting a CD-writer..c, Message-ID: <90p329$1cvg$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  K DKDRIVER does support a pass-through interface which allows the applicationiD program to build SCSI commands and have DKDRIVER execute them.  ThisE interface can be used to control specialized SCSI devices, such as CD C records.  For an example see DECW$CD_PLAYER which uses the DKDRIVERa- interface to control audio from SCSI CD-ROMs.a  L I've also updated DQDRIVER to include a similar interface so the new version5 of DECW$CD_PLAYER will play audio from ATAPI CD-ROMs.d  4 See http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/DQDRIVER/       Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporationl! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14t 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698t Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:00:22 -0500a) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.nete' Subject: Re: DEC BASIC : relative filesC9 Message-ID: <3a305eb0$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   9 In <KrzNbgAwwqL6EwqI@wrightnet.demon.co.uk>, on 12/06/00 uA    at 09:14 PM, Steve Wright <usenet@wrightnet.demon.co.uk> said:s  I >In article <3a2d8ef1$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>, yyyc186.illegaM >ltospam_@flashcom.net writese; >>In <FmGeIlAn+XL6Ew6L@wrightnet.demon.co.uk>, on 12/05/00 vC >>   at 11:52 PM, Steve Wright <usenet@wrightnet.demon.co.uk> said:  >>L >>Stupid question?  Why don't you use an RMS Indexed file?  Simply declare aM >>field or series of fields on your existing record layout as a primary key. uJ >>You can then do keyed hits for specific records, delete records, and add, >>records simply by using the PUT statement. >>H >I tried not to get bogged down into the why we wanted to use a relativeH >file in this manner as that involves trying to explain what the programH >is actually doing. I just wanted to concentrate on the technical aspect >of is it possible.f   >However here goes;o  I >We have a number of client processes writing to a single server process.vJ >The primary method of communication is via a mailbox. But as the messagesC >are critical and must not be lost in the case of a mailbox failuretG >(server process crash for example) we use a file as a backup method ofg >communication.   I >Effectively this file is being treated as a FIFO queue. When the clients G >processes fail to write to the mailbox they open (or create) this FIFOyG >file and append their message to the end. They then close the channel.   G >When the server process come back on line, it detects the existence ofaJ >the FIFO file. It opens the file with ALLOW NONE clause and processes theI >records. As each record is processed it is deleted from the file just inaF >case the server process crashes again part way through processing theF >file. Before closing the channel, the server process issues a KILL toC >delete the file. This prevents any client processes from appending 6 >records to a file the server thinks it has processed.  I >We know that we cannot delete records from a sequential file (apart fromfA >SCRATCH to the end which is of no use here), but we could deletemI >individual records from a relative file. The only problem we had was howeH >to write a record to the end of the file. We were not bothered what theI >record number was, nor did we want to have the overhead of maintaining acE >control record we simply wanted to append a record to the end of thec >file.  I >It would be nice if BASIC allowed the use of ACCESS APPEND with relativeWG >files so that PUT without a specific record number would append to the-! >end of the file. But it doesn't.2  H >The problem with using an indexed file is that you need to define a keyF >that is chronological if you are going to use it as a FIFO queue. TheB >time available to BASIC is only available in seconds which is notC >sufficiently small enough. This means we need to delve into systemDE >routines in order to use quadword time format. We were looking for ac >similar approach.   Define your key to be   
 RECORD MY_KEYc VARIANTo   CASE         STRING  WHOLE_KEY = 9%   CASE#         STRING  PROCESSED_FLAG = 1%r         VARIANT              CASE,                 STRING  SYSTEM_TIME_STR = 8%             CASE0                 BASIC$QUADWORD  SYSTEM_TIME_QUAD             CASE)                 LONG    SYSTEM_TIME_1_LNGr)                 LONG    SYSTEM_TIME_2_LNGp         END VARIANTu   CASE END VARIANT  END RECORD MY_KEYa  D The above will allow you to have a key in non processed order if youE define non processed as being PROCESSED_FLAG <= " " and anything else E being processed.  As to getting the system time look up SYS$NUMTIM().   K Creating a new file while the remote processes are down is a simple thing. aJ So is writing a purge program and a DCL procedure to analyze for a new FDLF and to convert the resulting open records prior to starting the server application.  G With the above design there is no need to lock any user out of the file $ until you wish to create a new file.  I >>Relative files aren't for use by those that don't understand how to useeJ >>them.  You physically must read/write specific records to the file.  TheK >>file normally needs to be pre-extended...been a long time, but I think itaG >>used to need to be fixed in size as it would not automatically extendw@ >>itself...but that could have been specific to one client site. >>  G >I do understand how to program relative files. I have be coding in DECrB >BASIC for over a decade now. The manual makes it quite clear thatH >relative files can use PUT and GET without specifying specific records.I >However the manual is a little vague as to what happens when you use PUT D >without a record number when there are records already in the file.  D >(BTW relative files do extend themselves and do not need to be pre- >allocated)t  I >>Normally relative files have the following layout:  Record 1 = control,AL >>Record 2-n = data.  In a multi-user application/environment a user wishingD >>to write new records to the file you open the file on two seperateL >>channels.  The first channel is used soley for the purpose of manipulatingK >>the control record.  You lock the control record prior to writing the new J >>record, then PUT and unlock the control once the new record is written. H >>The control record contains, at a minimum Next_Avail and Max_Rec_CountJ >>values.  Lots of people shortcut this approach and it generally leads to >>disaster.  >>  I >True. The main problem with requiring a separate control record and datavE >record is that it relies on everybody who uses that file locking theiH >control record whilst writing the data record. It only takes one personF >to deviate from that method and your entire locking strategy falls to >pieces.  L >>If you are planning on "deleting" records from your relative file you willL >>need to write a PACK function (like DBASE used to have, because it had the >>same problem)Z >>  H >As stated earlier, our approach would have been to delete the file onceA >all records have been processed, thus avoiding the need to pack.h  I >>My humble advice to you would be to use an Indexed file since that willqL >>give you the freedom of manipulation you want.  You cannot do what you are$ >>trying to do with a relative file. >> >>Roland >>  @ >For the record, the method we eventually settle on was to use aD >sequential file with a processed flag as part of the record. We canI >UPDATE the record once processed, but still retain the ability to appende$ >new records to the end of the file.   -- r; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 20:53:24 GMTd& From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>" Subject: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP( Message-ID: <90otc4$td$1@kadath.deep.it>  C I'm using DEC TCP/IP V5.0A, I'm trying to set an email alias on oner@ account. Something that will allow the real user USER@HOST.IT to: receive also mail for the non-existent user ALIAS@HOST.IT.  A Looking in the online docs, I've found that what DEC calls "aliasNA table" is instenad what all unix MTA calls "virtual table" and isb not what I want.  C I looked in the Wizard archive, in "HELP MAIL" and back more on thee@ online docs, but it seems that, as usual, I'm missing something.  8 Also, is there a List Manager that will work on OpenVMS?   Thanks!e   	forwarding, 	   Cthulhue   -- o  G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! # 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:27:00 +0100> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>& Subject: Re: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP. Message-ID: <90p2jl$m8h$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  3 "Cthulhu" <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it> wrote in message " news:90otc4$td$1@kadath.deep.it...E > I'm using DEC TCP/IP V5.0A, I'm trying to set an email alias on onelB > account. Something that will allow the real user USER@HOST.IT to< > receive also mail for the non-existent user ALIAS@HOST.IT.   tryh  + $ mail set forward USER /user=ALIAS@HOST.ITo   Jean-Franois Marchala X9000 - LYON (FR)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:01:48 -0800w/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>r& Subject: RE: Email alias on DEC TCP/IPM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FE02E@seantexch.unitedad.com>v  D   One way that I have set up an Alias is to create user name "ALIAS"J login to the "ALIAS" account and send my self some mail. read the mail the exit.eG remove the user from the sysuaf ( this leaves the "ALIAS" identifier ) eA now there is no user "ALIAS" but you can mail to alias@host.it   eH   This may not be the correct method but it has worked for me. I am sureI some will blow holes through this method and tell you the correct method.A   Terryo   -----Original Message------ From: Cthulhu [mailto:cthulhu@kadath.deep.it]@* Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:53 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com." Subject: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP    C I'm using DEC TCP/IP V5.0A, I'm trying to set an email alias on onei@ account. Something that will allow the real user USER@HOST.IT to: receive also mail for the non-existent user ALIAS@HOST.IT.  A Looking in the online docs, I've found that what DEC calls "alias.A table" is instenad what all unix MTA calls "virtual table" and is  not what I want.  C I looked in the Wizard archive, in "HELP MAIL" and back more on theL@ online docs, but it seems that, as usual, I'm missing something.  8 Also, is there a List Manager that will work on OpenVMS?   Thanks!D   	forwarding, 	   Cthulhu    -- e  G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! # 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>l   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 19:53 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins))& Subject: RE: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP, Message-ID: <7DEC200019534637@gerg.tamu.edu>  3 Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes... E }  One way that I have set up an Alias is to create user name "ALIAS"SK }login to the "ALIAS" account and send my self some mail. read the mail thes }exit.H }remove the user from the sysuaf ( this leaves the "ALIAS" identifier ) B }now there is no user "ALIAS" but you can mail to alias@host.it   I }  This may not be the correct method but it has worked for me. I am surenJ }some will blow holes through this method and tell you the correct method. }  }Terry   Do it the easy way:I   $ MAIL% MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=ALIAS REALUSERd > EXIT  C This requires the SYSNAM privilege. The username ALIAS doesn't haveeC to exist, not does there need to be any identifier for it. Any maila4 sent to ALIAS@wherever will go to REALUSER@wherever.  G There is probably also a way to do it in other places (like in the SMTP D software), but that will only work for SMTP mail and not local mail.A For example, Multinet has alias capability in it's SMTP software, 9 including the ability to redirect to a distribution list.   @ There is also software for doing mailing lists. MX includes such? capabilities, and there is something called "NDS", and probably) some others.   --- Carl   }-----Original Message-----a. }From: Cthulhu [mailto:cthulhu@kadath.deep.it]+ }Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:53 PMo }To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com# }Subject: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP  }  } D }I'm using DEC TCP/IP V5.0A, I'm trying to set an email alias on oneA }account. Something that will allow the real user USER@HOST.IT tof; }receive also mail for the non-existent user ALIAS@HOST.IT.n } B }Looking in the online docs, I've found that what DEC calls "aliasB }table" is instenad what all unix MTA calls "virtual table" and is }not what I want.p } D }I looked in the Wizard archive, in "HELP MAIL" and back more on theA }online docs, but it seems that, as usual, I'm missing something.h } 9 }Also, is there a List Manager that will work on OpenVMS?t }  }Thanks! } 
 }	forwarding,i }	   Cthulhu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 04:10:05 GMTh9 From: stu@c49395-a.wodhvn1.mi.home.com (Stuart R. Fuller)=> Subject: Re: Excess RA disks, HSC controllers, etc., available% Message-ID: <f5kp09.7sp.ln@localhost>S  U Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515 (Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU) wrote:0J :         We've just retired the  following  "ancient"  equipment from ourJ :     VMScluster.   It is most likely destined for the scrap heap, via our :     Salvage department.- : J :      3  HSC-70  CI Storage controllers   2x(6 K.sdi + 2 K.si) requestorsJ :                                        + 1x(7 K.sdi + 1 K.si) requestors   Ancient?  Bah!  K We have 2 - count 'em 2! HSC50s here just removed from service earlier this> year.a           Stux   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:15:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>f# Subject: Re: how to sort a CSV file2, Message-ID: <3A303635.F678BE6D@videotron.ca>   Jack Patteeuw wrote:F > > :is there a way to sort a Comma Separated Values file (well, maybeJ > > :another separator) with the standart sort utlity ? (of course, fields > > :are not fixed length...)   M The CDA converter library has a converter from ascii tabular to DTIF to fixedrL length fields. You need to setup an control file that defines the fields and how big they are.   L Unfortunatly, when I tried it, I got some weird error messages. That is whatN happens when a product is abandonned but some of the shareable images continue. to be updated. Things break. Thanks GQ Palmer.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:12:53 +0100. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk> Subject: Re: IO channels quota, Message-ID: <90oniq$lep$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  B Thomas Hahnemann <Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de> wrote in message* news:Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-MdWYxcbf3rKY@Tom2...* > Which quota limits the maximum number of( > IO channels I can assign to mailboxes,  L It's the SYSGEN parameter CHANNELCNT, not a process quota. The default value these days is 256.       Best regards     Jesper Naure   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 14:46:40 -050049 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)a Subject: Re: IO channels quota+ Message-ID: <KcmQDFAFtYVB@eisner.decus.org>d  j In article <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-MdWYxcbf3rKY@Tom2>, Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) writes:* > Which quota limits the maximum number of( > IO channels I can assign to mailboxes,2 > I've tried to increase fillm but has no success.- > after opening about 210 mb devices I've gota > 436, no IO channel available.u   $ mcr sysgen show channelmN Parameter Name         Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit  DynamicN --------------         -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  -------G CHANNELCNT                 256        256        31      65535 Channelsq $.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 20:21:31 GMTr7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann)  Subject: Re: IO channels quota0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-6XU00zmYHd5V@Tom2>   Thanks     Thomas Hahnemann   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 21:28:30 GMTA2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: IO channels quota6 Message-ID: <90ovdu$fst$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  j In article <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-MdWYxcbf3rKY@Tom2>, Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) writes:) :Which quota limits the maximum number ofo' :IO channels I can assign to mailboxes,m1 :I've tried to increase fillm but has no success.H, :after opening about 210 mb devices I've got :436, no IO channel available.   $ H/M NOIOCHAN  $  NOIOCHAN,  no I/O channel available  '   Facility:     SYSTEM, System ServicesD  J   Explanation:  The process exceeds the number of I/O channels that can be%                 assigned at one time.n  G   User Action:  Deassign another channel, or close a file and retry thenK                 operation. Check for a program error that fails to deassignmH                 channels or close files. Also check the SYSGEN parameter7                 CHANNELCNT to see if it is high enough.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:46:04 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ) Subject: Re: Need help, thanks in advance.- Message-ID: <3A30597C.9D086F3B@earthlink.net>w  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: >  > David Dachtera wrote:rK > >Just my opinion, and perhaps it shows my age (XLVI), but I remember whentI > >a legacy was like - make that was - your inheritance: the fortune left J > >to you by your fore-bearers, something to be proud of, a well-spring ofJ > >value, a treasure, a wealth of knowledge, everything that was built and, > >worked for by those who went before us... > > A > >Have I really outlived the world which brought me to this day?l > L > True, and it gets worse.  Another word that has the same cuddly feeling ofG > goodness which I have started to hear being used as a synonym for theaK > derogatory use of "legacy", is "heritage".  Luckily neither word has this  > meaning listed in M-W.  
 <paranoia>  A Well, I guess that's it: the final deterioration. Disdain for oura	 heritage.   E I wonder if those same people realize that freedom and liberty are assB much a "heritage" as the legacy of the technologists who have goneG before us. In every country around the world, no matter what conditionsfD one lives under, *THAT* is the legacy of those who have gone before.F One's view of one's circumstance tends to be purely subjective. Still,H few - if any - of us live in a societal circumstance entirely of our own4 making. Much of it is the legacy of our forefathers.  A If I didn't know better, I'd be likely to think that the world ism> *TRYING* to bring about the return of the Messiah through everF down-spiralling decadence. I even saw a guy on "Ripley's Believe It OrG Not" who had some threaded sockets implanted in his scalp. When he goesoC out in public, he screws in some spikes - a "steel Mohawk". When he E sleeps or spends time with his son (he's divorced - I wonder why), heeH can screw in some small studs, or leave the sockets empty so he can keep his head shaved.  F It's almost as if the world were tempting God, seeing how low they canE go before He comes to save the world from itself. The lesson of Sodomg( and Gemorrah is lost on the world today.  9 No wonder there's so little respect for Faith these days.o   </paranoia>t  E Personally, I take a slightly different tack on Faith than what I wasrG raised with. So long as I believe in myself and what I can become, thatmC is my Faith. I hold the models I choose (yes, I include the "Jewish E Carpenter" ("JC", get it?) as one of my primary role models). I valueEF the legacy of those who went before me down the path I choose. That is *MY* right of choice!    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsO http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/_  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------   Date: 08 Dec 2000 02:06:58 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.)o! Subject: One world, one processorC: Message-ID: <20001207210658.08136.00002406@ng-mi1.aol.com>  I The following quote was taken from an article ONE WORLD, ONE PROCESSOR byo- Linley Gwennap in the December LINUX JOURNAL.   J ..."Compaq, HP and SGI have slowed the pace of their architectures (Alpha,N PA-RISC and MIPS, respectively) to the point that they have fallen behind XeonL in performance in many key applications.  This decline has caused a downward% spiral in the sales for RISC vendors.i  E   As a result, HP and SGI have already announced they will eventuallyeC discontinue their RISC lines, and Compaq is likely to follow suit."t    L I hope someone from Compaq replies to this article.  I think it would have a> good chance of being published in a future LINUX JOURNAL.        ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:02:40 -0800d/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>h* Subject: Recall: Email alias on DEC TCP/IPM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FE02F@seantexch.unitedad.com>d  E Terry Marosites would like to recall the message, "Email alias on DECy TCP/IP".   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:06:48 +0000.+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>s2 Subject: Re: Source/availability of 60m DAT media?' Message-ID: <3A313F58.449ABFE7@iee.org>   ! l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com wrote:tN > Turns out: `my bad'... I'd neglected to try (for lack of having one in-hand)N > a 90m DAT in my old drive, and that turns out to work just as well for me asL > it does for the rest of you, and since 90's are still more-or-less readily7 > available, my "crisis" has past.  Again, many thanks.   9 If your drive is a TLZ06 it should be fine with 90m tapes.8 (to the best of my knowledge - usual disclaimers apply).  4 However, if your drive is a TLZ04 (1.2GB drive) then1 if you use tapes longer than 60m you run the riskw2 of significantly reducing its head's life. I never/ got to the bottom of exactly what it was (otherg1 than it was something to do with the tape tensionn5 being significantly different) but this came straughtl- from someone in the group who used to supports this drive.   # If you have a support contract that 8 gives you access to the stars database (or whatever it's4 called now) you should be able to find articles with" a strongly worded warning in them.     Antonioi     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgu   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 19:37 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 2 Subject: Re: Source/availability of 60m DAT media?, Message-ID: <7DEC200019373023@gerg.tamu.edu>  $ l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com writes...M }Turns out: `my bad'... I'd neglected to try (for lack of having one in-hand)tM }a 90m DAT in my old drive, and that turns out to work just as well for me as-K }it does for the rest of you, and since 90's are still more-or-less readilyo6 }available, my "crisis" has past.  Again, many thanks. }  }Lorin  + You shouldn't count on this being the case.   C A lot of old drives will let you put in a 90m tape. They will then,- sometimes, shred it.  G The TLZ04 drive is one such drive - the one I have eats 90m tapes abouttG as often as it accepts them.  It works fine with 60m tapes. (I have hadgE two different people put 90m tapes in it, rather than the TLZ06 driverD they should have been using, only to have their tapes get eaten.) AtJ this point, the only thing that that TLZ04 drive is used for is standalone( backups of the system it is attached to.  B What you should do is check the tape drive's manual. If it doesn'tG mention 90m tapes, it may not be safe to use them - I'd suggest running G several reasonably long test backup operations to a number of differentt7 test tapes to make sure it doesn't destroy any of them.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:54:57 +0000u0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster* Message-ID: <3A2FDD01.A30D4B4F@uk.sun.com>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:- > 4 > Peter Langstoeger (eplan at kapsch dot net) asked:E > >>>Then why do they (Compaq) still destroy the brand "Digital" ?<<<i > H > Because it's not Digital any more.  It is Compaq.  One big Compaq thatK > offers the whole range of products from PCs through Wintel servers, Linux.  > boxes, Tru64, NSK and OpenVMS.M > Compaq are not a PC box shifter, they are a company offering the full rangee0 > of product for the full range of applications. >   E The problem with this is that Compaq are a PC box shifter, its their eG culture and for example its one of the reasons why so many people left -G Digital when it was bought by Compaq because the pervasive culture was e so alien to them.o  > Compaq also show little or no sign of extending out beyond the boundaries AF of their PC space. Not suprising when you consider that Compaq is used toE having nearly all the details of their product strategies dictated to" them aH by other people (Intel and Microsoft). Even the basic specifications of ; PC's are dictated to Compaq in Microsofts standard platform  specification.  G Compaq became a sucess by being very very close to Intel and Microsoft,o beingeC good at manufacturing and distribution but not by being a source ofh radicalh ideas or technical inovations.  E In other words Compaq does not historically have any thought leaders hF or people who go and inovate. The Digital purchase gave them access to this bF kind of people resource but that is now long gone, lost in the fallout from  
 the purchase.e   Regardsa Andrew Harrisono Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 14:30:36 -0500s* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: Sun Cluster+ Message-ID: <PWXFN7w31yGJ@eisner.decus.org>w  ] In article <3A2FDD01.A30D4B4F@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:e# > steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:L >> i5 >> Peter Langstoeger (eplan at kapsch dot net) asked:hF >> >>>Then why do they (Compaq) still destroy the brand "Digital" ?<<< >>  I >> Because it's not Digital any more.  It is Compaq.  One big Compaq thattL >> offers the whole range of products from PCs through Wintel servers, Linux! >> boxes, Tru64, NSK and OpenVMS.aN >> Compaq are not a PC box shifter, they are a company offering the full range1 >> of product for the full range of applications.5 >> @ > G > The problem with this is that Compaq are a PC box shifter, its their eI > culture and for example its one of the reasons why so many people left  I > Digital when it was bought by Compaq because the pervasive culture was   > so alien to them.  > @ > Compaq also show little or no sign of extending out beyond the
 > boundaries  H > of their PC space. Not suprising when you consider that Compaq is used > toG > having nearly all the details of their product strategies dictated ton > them uJ > by other people (Intel and Microsoft). Even the basic specifications of = > PC's are dictated to Compaq in Microsofts standard platformN > specification. > I > Compaq became a sucess by being very very close to Intel and Microsoft,r > beingAE > good at manufacturing and distribution but not by being a source of 	 > radical   > ideas or technical inovations. > G > In other words Compaq does not historically have any thought leaders tH > or people who go and inovate. The Digital purchase gave them access to > this nH > kind of people resource but that is now long gone, lost in the fallout > from f > the purchase.l >   D 	Doing okay to a point.  Many of the good people are still there, so 	this:    O The Digital purchase gave them access to this  kind of people resource but thato8 is now long gone, lost in the fallout from the purchase.  ; 	Would require a good deal of clarification to be passable.    				RobI   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:13:59 -00004 From: "John D. Peedle" <john@peedle.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster/ Message-ID: <90ouiv$8kj$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>S  ; I quote, http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15251.html,E  J 'Sun lags behind IBM, Compaq and HP's ServiceGuard on scalability in termsK of node supported, something Sun's cluster architect described as "bragging 
 rights". '  H Given recent comments about cluster design, this wouldn't be our beloved Andrew again would it?   JP  < "Nigel Arnot" <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in message1 news:009F42FC.225AAC7A.22@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk...- > K > Theres a news in CNET about the new Sun Cluster, comparisons with HP and( > IBM, but no OpenVMSj >:J > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3995209.html?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.ni >.	 > Regardst >  > FC  + Yes, the same old story, VMS being ignored.a  H On the other hand, "The register" spins differently and does mention VMS (favorably).  - "Sun goes shoplifting for Christmas Clusters"o1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15251.html    Yours, Nigel Arnot  NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK  5 "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 17:44:28 -0500s9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)j Subject: Re: Sun Cluster+ Message-ID: <yDdygkMtWm7L@eisner.decus.org>-  f In article <90ouiv$8kj$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "John D. Peedle" <john@peedle.freeserve.co.uk> writes:= > I quote, http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15251.html,3 > L > 'Sun lags behind IBM, Compaq and HP's ServiceGuard on scalability in termsM > of node supported, something Sun's cluster architect described as "bragginga > rights". ' > J > Given recent comments about cluster design, this wouldn't be our beloved > Andrew again would it?   Don't go knocking Andrew, now.  H He gave quite a helpful technical answer this week, and for now seems to have sworn off VMS-baiting.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:28:18 -0800p! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comt Subject: Re: Sun ClusterD Message-ID: <OFE650D231.6E43BDAF-ON882569AF.0002565A@foundation.com>  E He always does that just after taking a beating. My theory is it's anJH attempt to build up a little credibility for the next attack. Most of us: don't buy it, but some do and they're the ones he's after.   Just my opinion.   Shane-          ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam on 12/07/2000 02:44:28 PMh   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm cc:f   Subject:  Re: Sun Clustert    @ In article <90ouiv$8kj$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "John D. Peedle"% <john@peedle.freeserve.co.uk> writes:5= > I quote, http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15251.html,- >-F > 'Sun lags behind IBM, Compaq and HP's ServiceGuard on scalability in termssC > of node supported, something Sun's cluster architect described asK	 "bragging@ > rights". ' >dJ > Given recent comments about cluster design, this wouldn't be our beloved > Andrew again would it?   Don't go knocking Andrew, now.  H He gave quite a helpful technical answer this week, and for now seems to have sworn off VMS-baiting.u   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 19:15:49 GMTO) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)h6 Subject: Re: Sun CSV Constitution Election Belly Laugh' Message-ID: <90onl5$ef8$1@joe.rice.edu>-  . Tim Llewellyn (tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk) wrote:  ? : (2) Any change of newsgroup name may not be propogated to all C : organizations. eg I can still get comp.unix.osf.osf1 here but not= : comp.unix.tru64,C : and the news service managfer has no interest in helpinmg me out tD : with this (I am not working with Tru64 but would be interested in  : browsing once in a while).  C One might suggest to the news service manager that his function :-)3C could be out-sourced to a commercial USENET provider, since it  :-)jC appears he's not doing his job                                  :-)V  ! From (URL folded into two lines):n  8    ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/    New_Usenet_Groups/20000321z  H   "The following Usenet groups are being removed on the dates indicated,G    or were removed within the past month.  To help ease the transition,MD    you might wish to mark them as "no local posting allowed" at your&    site, with the C News/INN flag "n".  6    GROUP                           DATE  SUPERSEDED BY  7    comp.unix.osf.misc              0529  comp.unix.misci8    comp.unix.osf.osf1              0529  comp.unix.tru64  F    These are the descriptions of new groups mentioned in this posting:E    comp.unix.tru64    Running, owning and administering Tru64 UNIX. "d  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:31:48 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>6 Subject: Re: Sun CSV Constitution Election Belly Laugh1 Message-ID: <MLXX5.13$Ci5.1314@news1.primary.net>   6 "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> wrote in message8 news:4.2.0.58.20001207080047.00b06db0@poptop.llnl.gov... > Good morning,iF > I thought I'd run this up the flagpole and see if anybody salutes... >eH > Has anyone ever considered restructuring this group along the model of7 > tru64-unix-managers@ornl.gov?  That is a great group.h' > People submit questions to the group,j/ > responses are directed to the submitter only,DC > the submitter is obliged to summarize responses back to the list.a >rF > There is a lot of good information in this group too, but the volume of > mail is staggering.e >b@ Why fix what isn't broken.  I access comp.os.vms via USENET eachE morning.  The volume is easily managed.  I like seeing the varied anduF even off-topic questions and answers.  I do not want someone filteringH my information.  I prefer to rely on my own abilities to discern what is relevant to me and what is not.h  A Even Andrew serves a useful purpose in reminding all of those VMS.E fanatics that VMS has no privileged right to exist.  I suffer throughhG the Solaris-VMS arguments and glean a few gems from the comments.  I do > not want those gems in the rough sifted out for me in advance.  D If you are getting too much mail, consider shifting to the newsgroupH format instead.  In the meantime, no salute from me.  I like it just the way it is now, no changes.    Jack Peacocku   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 21:19:57 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: Unintensional change port characteristics6 Message-ID: <90outt$fst$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D In article <90n637$7b7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "SeokGuKang"   <seokgu.kang@compaq.com> writes:. :We're using a dec-server with LAT  protocol..M :recently some parameters of dec-server was change unintentionally, I want tot@ :know about cause of this change and How can I make it permanent  A   The DECserver itself stores information in its own non-volatileB?   memory.  For details of the DECserver command set, please see 4   the DECserver documentation or the DECserver HELP.  >   Usually, the commands used to change the settings out on the@   DECserver series terminal server are a pair of SET and DEFINE.B   commands.  HELP (at the terminal server prompt) should have some(   details, as will the notes conference.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:29:47 -0500l4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>$ Subject: RE: Very weird DCL behaviorJ Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8508908974@nts0147.beehive.com>  L Another technique I've used in the past is to spawn of the subprocesses, andJ then loop (with a nice wait, such as 10 seconds or 30 seconds) checking onF jobcount - you can either spawn another one as each job ends, or (as IK needed) continue when the last child process finished.  Not too hard to do.n   -----Original Message-----: From: IOlson@dairyworld.com [mailto:IOlson@dairyworld.com]  Sent: December 07, 2000 12:50 PM To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.come$ Subject: RE: Very weird DCL behavior    L Ok, this doesn't address the "rewind" question, but I thought I'd throw this out there anyway.oA Here's an alternative technique I've used in similar situtations:-2 1. spawn off a subprocess, give it a specific nameF 2. go into a wait loop and keep checking if the process is still alive0 3. when it disappears, you can spawn another oneC 4. if you want to know what happened to it (completed vs died, eg),S@    have the subprocess put some status values into the job table  
 Ingemar Olsonv* IT Department, Sperling     (604) 444-7367 Dairyworld FOODS     -----Original Message-----+ From: Syltrem [mailto:syltrem@videotron.ca]m Sent: December 7, 2000 7:50. To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ Subject: Re: Very weird DCL behavior   <snip>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:18:08 GMTe* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>$ Subject: Re: Very weird DCL behavior) Message-ID: <90or9n$vv0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  7 In article <ZPcX5.8666$Cn4.207476@weber.videotron.net>,i)   "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> wrote:-B > The problem with SYNCH is that the backup processes are detached	 processesoG > (I mean, not *real* detached, but separate from my main process). The/ way IsF > do it, I mount the tape in the main procedure, and backups append to itC > (BACK/NOREW) without having to rewind the tape after every backupE command. > @ > The SYNCH method would take at least twice as long to complete
 everythingD > because of the time required to rewind the tape, then for the next process = > to go at logical end-of-tape befors actually doing its job.i  C How long does it take to rewind a tape? What is the average size oftF your save sets? Longer, yes. Twice as long? What kind of tapes are youF using? If it takes a long time to skip to the logical end-of-tape, you may have a buggy driver.   [...]e   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the longt wrong part first. Thanks.s   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)+ w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.comp5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.comr    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:49:26 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>$ Subject: Re: Very weird DCL behavior) Message-ID: <90ot4j$1ia$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  5 In article <heOX5.783$He.10598@wagner.videotron.net>,t)   "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> wrote: F > I know I use subproprocesses (hey! I'm not that dumb! :-) ). The the realG > question about using one job with subprocesses or many jobs, is: Does@H > DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD rewind the tape? - don't get me wrong, rewinding andF > unloading are 2 separate functions :-) I thought it did but I may be wrong. >AF > If it does not, then I could use SUBMIT with SYNCHRONIZE but... If I submitE > 4 backup jobs, I can only synchronize with ONE of them. If this oneo takes 2oB > hours to finish and the other 3 run in 5 minutes, I will loose 3	 times onel@ > hour and 55 minutes of tape drive availability because my main	 procedurelF > will "unfreeze" only after that one very long backp is finished.. No good.n; > That makes me loose almost 6 hours of usable backup time.o  F DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD *does* rewind the tape. This is easy to check. MountD a tape. Start a BACKUP/LIST, control-Y. DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD. BACK/LIST< again, and you will see the same save set as the first time.   >tH > Unless I can implement some sort of AST mechanism in DCL and watch for@ > completion of any of  the 4 batch jobs (that's exactly what my
 mailbox isE > doing, by the way) then SYNCH can't do the job. I could use one jobi pern2 > magtape but that's not what what I want, either. >tF > I think I will end up writing a 15 lines Basic program to handle the I/OaF > from this damn mailbox. DCL like it or not. It'll be the fastest way of > fixing everything.   Use the "I got it!" method:n  F One way to do it with DCL would be to make a .COM file for each backupB which contains only the BACKUP/NOREWIND command. Call them b1.com,C b2.com, etc. Have each process do each backup thusly: Find the next:D bn.com (where n is 1,2,3, etc.) Rename it to bn.gotit. Run bn.gotit.D You can then optionally rename bn.gotit to bn.done. Have one process& (could be a batch job) for each drive.  = This way, you won't have to wait thru rewinds, you don't neednG subprocesses, you don't need mailboxes, you don't need SYNCH, you don'toE need BASIC, and the backups will be distributed evenly (more or less)TD among your drives/tapes, or at least according to your algorithm. InD the morning, check if the jobs completed okay, and if so, rename theF bn.done's (or bn.gotits) to bn.com's. (or instead of bn.com's, perhaps bn.ready's)e  D The rename is to "allocate" that particular backup so that the otherF processes don't try to run it. You'll have to write some DCL to run inD a loop and check for the error from renaming a non-existent file and2 then try to rename the next one, etc. For example:   --   $ N = 0i $_LOOP:o $ N = N + 1a  $ IF (N .GT. whatever) THEN EXIT $ ON ERROR THEN GOTO _LOOP $ RENAME B'N'.COM .GOTITF $ ON SEVERE_ERROR THEN EXIT !Don't let *regular* errors stop the show.
 $ @B'N'.GOTIT F $! <resume your favorite error checking, e.g. ON WARNING THEN EXIT, or% $! SET NOON, whatever is appropriate>  $ RENAME B'N'.GOTIT .DONEd $ GOTO _LOOP  E You may want to check my error checking, as I don't have time to makeo= sure it is exactly right, but this example illustrates my DCLCE suggestion. Actually, the error checking after @B'N'.GOTIT depends ono- what you want to happen in case of a problem.c  F There are other ways to do this. The general idea is to make a "single@ source list" of BACKUP commands and have each process "allocate"! or "mark" the next one and do it.-   >-H > Thanks for all replies (and if someone could answer the question about3 > no-unloading/rewinding above, I will appreciate).e   It does rewind the tape. >d [...]g --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the long>" wrong part before SENDing. Thanks.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)+ w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com<5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.comm    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:37:22 GMTV/ From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net>e Subject: Re: VMS "froze"C Message-ID: <63WX5.6399$U6.87216@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>   ; So what software has priority over the OCP HALT button?????i   -Tom  : "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message) news:t28334oe5k2m82@news.supernews.com...g > Hi,o >qL > You've said that the system appears to be frozen, but you haven't actuallyK > proved it - a non-responsive console is a common problem when you have anrL > insufficient page file size.  It'll respond eventually (usually), but I've  > seen it take 10 or 20 minutes. >uL > AMDS is an excellent tool for diagnosing these types of problems.  It runsK > at high priority, and thus is relatively immune to a run-away swapper (ort > other) process.N > K > A quick way to check the page file issue is to log on and repeatedly do alH > "$ SHOW MEMORY".  If the Free Page File number (at the bottom) drops &H > drops, and eventually your system hangs, you've found it.  It's then aK > matter of tracking down which process is malfunctioning, which this group  > can help you with too. >  > Hope this helps, >v > ws >c > --5 > << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>o >g > Warren Spencer > Senior Software Engineer > The Associated Press >oA > ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 21:09:52 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date?6 Message-ID: <90oub0$fst$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  R In article <OF9BCFE2BC.5504E1E2-ON862569AD.0056D7E5@com>, fwheeler@csc.com writes:6 :hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) told me:K :>  ...It does, doesn't it.  Please use the www.openvms.compaq.com address,/ :>  or the MIT RTFM address...H :Thanks. I got what I needed from the MIT site. I couldn't find an *FTP*I :dowloadable FAQ on the www.openvms.compaq.com site; is there supposed tor :be one?  K   There is one on the OpenVMS Freeware website that could be used for this.'J   (The version of the FAQ present at the Freeware website is the one that K   shipped out with the Freeware V5 distribution.  We've updated other stuffaI   from V5 via the website, so I so no reason not to update and reference n@   that version more regularly.  I'll chat with the webmaster...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 16:34:17 -0500 / From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)t( Subject: Re: VMS FTP FAQ Not Up to Date?* Message-ID: <90ovop$5gq$1@lisa.gemair.com>  B You know, this comes up so often here that maybe this should be in the... uh, never mind...  6 In article <90oub0$fst$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:n >uS >In article <OF9BCFE2BC.5504E1E2-ON862569AD.0056D7E5@com>, fwheeler@csc.com writes:.7 >:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) told me:oL >:>  ...It does, doesn't it.  Please use the www.openvms.compaq.com address, >:>  or the MIT RTFM address...qI >:Thanks. I got what I needed from the MIT site. I couldn't find an *FTP*iJ >:dowloadable FAQ on the www.openvms.compaq.com site; is there supposed to	 >:be one?m >tL >  There is one on the OpenVMS Freeware website that could be used for this.K >  (The version of the FAQ present at the Freeware website is the one that rL >  shipped out with the Freeware V5 distribution.  We've updated other stuffJ >  from V5 via the website, so I so no reason not to update and reference A >  that version more regularly.  I'll chat with the webmaster...)D >.O > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------kM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.comf >t   -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2000 21:25:47 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: Why do I have to run DECW$UTILS:XREFRESH 6 Message-ID: <90ov8r$fst$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G In article <00120713261318@msiw60.msi.se>, system@msiw60.msi.se writes:. : 
 :Hi everyone,u: :does any of you have a solution to the following problem.E :I am using a workstation running OpenVMS 7.2-1 and  DECwindows Motifn :Version 1.2-5 for OpenVMS.,C :Every time when I resume my session after a "Session Pause" I havesM :to run DECW$UTILS:XREFRESH in order to restore background and border colors.lL :Also when running for example Netscape I have to run DECW$UTILS:XREFRESH inK :another window. This I have to do for every page I want to see or the textfH :from the previosly displayed pages will be visible. I suspect that some& :DECW$-parameter have the wrong value.      I will assume OpenVMS Alpha.    E   I will assume your process quotas match (or exceed) the recommended-	   values.w  G   I've only seen this sort of oddity arise with with graphics driver oreD   controller problems, and with the settings of the console and the F   reception of console messages.  (The latter behaviour is rather moreI   common with OpenVMS VAX graphics support.  Does pressing CTRL/F2 reset k6   the display?  If so, see section DECW13 in the FAQ.)  3   Which graphics controller and which Alpha system?c  F   Are you up to current revision for the GRAPHICS, UPDATE, DECwindows,7   and graphics controller-related ECO kits for OpenVMS?j  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:28:56 GMT3 From: cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius)n2 Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]+ Message-ID: <GBwjYGjYyuK8@eisner.decus.org>a  I > Complex_thought = CMPLX(Real_thought-FLORIDA-CHAD**2,Imaginary_thought)   ' (units of thought) != (units of chad)^2o  > Fails the dimensionality test.  Clear grounds for castigation.   --8 George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.684 ************************