1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 12 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 692       Contents:+ Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash" + Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash" , Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file., Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file.9 Re: advice sought on transparent failover / IP clustering  Re: Automated RMS tuning script $ Re: DEC Basic: Can not run debugger.  Re: Decnet - Proxies not working  Re: Decnet - Proxies not working RE: DHCP on a PPP connection Re: DHCP on a PPP connection Re: DHCP on a PPP connection* Re: Digital KBD01-AA - What is this thing?* Re: Digital KBD01-AA - What is this thing? Re: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP  Re: Error output Re: Error output Re: Error output0 Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS! Re: New OpenVMS  Education site  Re: One world, one processor6 OpenVMS 6.0 reboots when I type "help" on remote login Re: process creation Re: process creation( Re: Stalled Printer Queue On LAT Network( Re: Stalled Printer Queue On LAT Network Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  symbiont to delete FF  Re: symbiont to delete FF  Re: symbiont to delete FF  Re: VMS "froze" $ [RFC] New OpenVMS training in France  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:56:33 GMT  From: david_dawkins@my-deja.com 4 Subject: Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash") Message-ID: <913bhc$qv7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   2 In article <3A314566.F1B047EF@clarityconnect.com>,4   "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote:D > Modify the code to wait for a logical name to exist or be set to aG > certain value and then start the process.  If the process indeed gets E > started then have your system managers use DELTA to set the NODELET  bit H > in the process, if your system managers don't know how to do this then > fire them ;*) ;*) ;*)   ? OK, I'm with you.  Can the NODELET bit be set programmatically? A I am assuming this bit is what flags the OS to [not] "delete" the  process when it exits/dies etc?     2 > Then either create or set the logical to desiredF > value and let the process run until it dies.  If it does die then itF > will either be left looping on a 20$: BR 20$ line in IMAGE_MANGEMENT or@ > it will be gone and your errorlog should then have a non-fatal bugcheckC > in it and the advice on BUGCHECKFATAL applies.  If the process is C > looping then one should be able to at least look at the processes  final # > status to se why it tried to die.   = OK, any advice on detecting whether it is in this loop? Is it 8 simple case of attaching the debugger to the process id?   $ DEBUG  DEBUG> ATTACH <pid>    or what?   Thanks,    David     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:32:30 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> 4 Subject: Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash"2 Message-ID: <3A353B35.2429727D@clarityconnect.com>  D With the right privileges, yes it can be set.  See your nearest ID&S book for PCB$V_NODELET    david_dawkins@my-deja.com wrote: > 4 > In article <3A314566.F1B047EF@clarityconnect.com>,6 >   "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote:F > > Modify the code to wait for a logical name to exist or be set to aI > > certain value and then start the process.  If the process indeed gets G > > started then have your system managers use DELTA to set the NODELET  > bit J > > in the process, if your system managers don't know how to do this then > > fire them ;*) ;*) ;*)  > A > OK, I'm with you.  Can the NODELET bit be set programmatically? C > I am assuming this bit is what flags the OS to [not] "delete" the ! > process when it exits/dies etc?    --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Dec 2000 18:47 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 5 Subject: Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file. - Message-ID: <11DEC200018473738@gerg.tamu.edu>   ; "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes... D }This is a bit hairier than some of the other approaches, because ifI }you're taking in 1000's of files daily (i.e., a half-gig or so of data), H }and a half-gig (or so) disk is the biggest that can have a cluster size: }of 1 (pre V7.2-1), then that means you'll be making a new+ }virtual/logical disk container every day.   }--  }David J. Dachtera  F I think you'll find that 1000 files at 1 block per file is only half a meg, not half a gig.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:16:45 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 5 Subject: Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file. - Message-ID: <3A35989D.DCE59CAB@earthlink.net>    Carl Perkins wrote:  > = > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes... F > }This is a bit hairier than some of the other approaches, because ifK > }you're taking in 1000's of files daily (i.e., a half-gig or so of data), J > }and a half-gig (or so) disk is the biggest that can have a cluster size< > }of 1 (pre V7.2-1), then that means you'll be making a new, > }virtual/logical disk container every day. > }--  > }David J. Dachtera > H > I think you'll find that 1000 files at 1 block per file is only half a > meg, not half a gig.   Hhmmm... Good point :-)    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2000 15:59:54 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)B Subject: Re: advice sought on transparent failover / IP clustering+ Message-ID: <SE2UZxiunAgg@eisner.decus.org>    In article <009F43FB.F652F61D@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  > VMSers --  > O > So I have a cluster in which the two relevant systems are Alphaserver 800 and K > 2100 attached to an HSZ70, running VMS 7.2-1 and Multinet 4.3.  They run  L > the Rdb database, OSU web server (although we might change to CSWS at some( > point), PMDF for mail processing, etc. > L > The sitewide DNS is not under my control, although I can request that theyQ > put systems in there for me.  (I'm not a BIND expert; I think they're running a  > current version on Solaris.) > I > I would like to define ip names for services rather than for nodes, eg  J > mail-ssrl, www-ssrl, rdb-ssrl, and have those service names be respondedI > to by whichever system is least heavily loaded, but, more importantly,  N > if one of those systems goes down, by the one that remains up.  (I want thisF > to be true whether it goes down for planned upgrade or for a crash.) >   G What I do here is use the cluster-alias mechanism in Multinet and have  G the network people add the alias name in the DNS.  For instance I have  G a number of two, or more, node clusters which are reached by the alias  F name.  As I understand it, the least used node is supposed to respond I first (although I haven't done any testing to prove it).  I do know that  G if one of the nodes "goes away" the alias mechanism works just fine (I   _have_ had proof of that one).  C For a two node cluster I would have three names defined in the DNS; E nodea, nodeb and ab_cluster.  Any connections to the cluster would be E via the ab_cluster name.  I think the load balancing is based on CPU  F load, so you wouldn't get the load balance on a per-service basis this way, though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:53:37 +0100 + From: Jimmi Aakjaer <aakjaer@post7.tele.dk> ( Subject: Re: Automated RMS tuning script8 Message-ID: <b0ca3t80mchs6o889neplb1tml8003ml3k@4ax.com>  7 On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:51:40 -0600, "David J. Dachtera" $ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:   >"Thomas H. Pauli" wrote:  >>  
 >> Dear Stan,  >>  J >> I still have such a piece running and will send a copy to you on Monday >> morning.  > 0 >Is this something you can share with the group?  2 I have two command files for optimizing RMS files:  " works fine  - i use them every day   /jimmi  K $!-------------------------------------------------------------------------  $!Reor_idx.com $!Reorganize a indexed RMS-file  $!P1 = filename K $!------------------------------------------------------------------------- ! $       on err then $exit $status  $       f=f$trnlnm(p1) $       if f.eqs."" then $f=p1 $       f=f$sear(f)  $       if f.eqs."" then $exit# $       f=f$extr(0,f$loca(";",f),f) % $       on err then $goto first_error $ $       anal/rms/fdl/out='f'_fdl 'p1! $       on err then $exit $status - $       editttt/fdl/noin/anal='f'_fdl 'f'_fdl & $       on err then $goto second_error= $       conv/crea/stat/nosort/fdl='f'_fdl/prolog=3 'f 'f'_new ! $       on err then $exit $status  $       rena 'f'_new 'f';  $       purg/nolo/keep=1 'f > $       if f$sear("''f'_fdl").nes."" then $dele/nolo 'f'_fdl.*> $       if f$sear("''f'_new").nes."" then $dele/nolo 'f'_new.* $       exit $! $second_error:   $	s=$status  $       set noon' $       if s.ne.%x10b2109c then $exit s 4 $!      (%CONV-F-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input) $       goto last_error: $! $first_error: s=$status  $       set noon' $       if s.ne.%x10b1109a then $exit s 7 $!      (%ANALYZE-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input)  $! $last_error: $	pid=f$getjpi("","pid")E $       write sys$output "REOR_IDX of ''f' canceled, because the file 
 is locked" $       write sys$output7 "-----------------------------------------------------" C $       write sys$output "User        : ''f$getjpi("","username")'" A $       write sys$output "Processname : ''f$getjpi("","prcnam")'"  $       write sys$output7 "-----------------------------------------------------" B $       show device/files/nosys/out=sys$scratch:reor_idx_log.'pid'
 'f$parse(f,,)  $       exit  ] =============================================================================================   K $!-------------------------------------------------------------------------  $!Opti_fdl.com4 $!Makes an optimized FDL file for a indexed RMS file $!P1 = filename (IDX RMS file)# $!p2 = Output file name (FDL file)  K $!-------------------------------------------------------------------------  $       set noon" $       anal/rms/fdl/out='p2' 'p1'( $       editTTTT/fdl/noin/anal='p2' 'p2' $       purge/keep=1 'p2'  $       exit   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:33:05 GMT / From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net> - Subject: Re: DEC Basic: Can not run debugger. @ Message-ID: <RZ9Z5.9$jc3.1006@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>   You are correct.  Thanks!   < I never would have guessed the audit server was required for debugging!?!  C I shut the audit server down to save resources, since it's a single  user system on my private LAN.   Regards, Tom 5 "Jonas Lindholm" <jlindholm@rcn.com> wrote in message ! news:3A33C7F9.D26002BF@rcn.com... A > This indicate that the audit server is not running on the host. ' > Start the audit server and try again.  >  > /Jonas Lindholm  > OM Technology  >  >  > Tom Simpson wrote: > J > > I rebuilt a Alpha DEC 3000 system using VMS 7.2-1 + patches and latestJ > > BASIC compiler release.  I discovered that I can not run the debugger, now. > > K > > No errors during compile and link, but when I try to run the program, I  get  > > the  > > following message: > > 1 > > %SYSTEM-F-NODOMAIN, resource domain not found  > > A > > I've never seen this before.  Anyone know what this error is?  > > F > > It does not matter what program I pick to test.  Even a simple one > > line program fails.  > > 2 > > I have seen no other problems with the system. > >  > > Regards, > > Tom  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:13:48 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ) Subject: Re: Decnet - Proxies not working - Message-ID: <3A35438B.D4CD850E@earthlink.net>    "Hugh D. R. Evans" wrote:  >  > Well,  > N > Many thanks to all for the invaluable advice. If your ever in the region let$ > me know and I'll get the beers in. > K > The problem was correctly diagnosed as the failure of the routing node. I M > moved the license to another VAX satellite (boots from the Alpha), rebooted N > both machines and hey presto, it all seems to function again. Now to conviceA > the powers that be to provide a DVNETRTG license for the Alpha.   E If I'm not too badly mistaken, it's not a question of licensing. As I E understand it, DECnet for Alpha does not have routing capabilities. I  could, as always, be wrong...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Dec 2000 17:27:53 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)) Subject: Re: Decnet - Proxies not working 3 Message-ID: <z0rTM5vsck1Y@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   g In article <3A35438B.D4CD850E@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  > "Hugh D. R. Evans" wrote:  [...] L >> The problem was correctly diagnosed as the failure of the routing node. IN >> moved the license to another VAX satellite (boots from the Alpha), rebootedO >> both machines and hey presto, it all seems to function again. Now to convice B >> the powers that be to provide a DVNETRTG license for the Alpha. > G > If I'm not too badly mistaken, it's not a question of licensing. As I G > understand it, DECnet for Alpha does not have routing capabilities. I  > could, as always, be wrong...   H         DECnet IV  on  Alpha  does  not  have  routing capabilities, butH     DECnet  V  on ALpha does.  Of course, given David's remarks  in  theG     past, I suspect the "only" DECnet he cares about is DECnet IV.  :-)            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:42:35 -0500 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> % Subject: RE: DHCP on a PPP connection : Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD914@BERRY>  G My advice would be to spend a couple hundred dollars on a router/modem. H Something like the Netgear RM356 or the WebRamp 200i (and there are manyL others).  These devices have an integrated modem, will dial on demand and do NAT.     > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Lorin Swirsky [mailto:lswirsky@earthlink.net] * > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:43 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # > Subject: DHCP on a PPP connection  >  > D > I am running VMS 7.1-1H2 on an Alpha 433AU workstation using TCPIP	 > version ? > 5.0A. I am generating a file on this workstation that I want   > to post to > the H > internet. The most direct path would be to use PPP to dial and connect > to: > the ISP and FTP to do the transfer.  I have encountered  > several problems > @ > though... the ISP dynamically supplies the IP address and PPP  > requires a > E > connection to the IP address. Also, once dialed in transmitting the F > appropriate control sequences to apply the PPP connection need to beG > somehow sent. Any and all guidance here would be greatly appreciated.  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Dec 2000 20:48:54 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: DHCP on a PPP connectionn6 Message-ID: <913ejm$9a8$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <3A350575.78E972F4@earthlink.net>, Lorin Swirsky <lswirsky@earthlink.net> writes:2 :...the ISP dynamically supplies the IP address...  L   DHCP client is part of the V5.1 release, which is currently in field test.K   PPP connections also tend to require RAS authentication, which is not yet    available on OpenVMS.i  I   There was a long discussion on setting up network configurations to usesH   a dedicated routing (and firewall and IP masquarading) box here in the7   comp.os.vms newsgroup within the past month or two...   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:30:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: Re: DHCP on a PPP connectionb, Message-ID: <3A35C5E5.6A378D7A@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:eN >   DHCP client is part of the V5.1 release, which is currently in field test.M >   PPP connections also tend to require RAS authentication, which is not yet0 >   available on OpenVMS._  N Any chance of making PPP available for VAX ? It would allow PDAs to connect to VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:56:46 GMTn/ From: atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky)e3 Subject: Re: Digital KBD01-AA - What is this thing?a& Message-ID: <G5F8uq.9o0@world.std.com>   Thanks for the info.    @ Any thoughts on other uses for this enclosure?  Is this really aG three-slot dual-height QBus I see here?  Were there ever LSI-11 systemsu sold in this enclosure?n  ) Terry Kennedy (terry@gate.tmk.com) wrote:*  K :   It's the Field Service remote console box for certain types of systems.sM : It was most popular on the PDP-11/44, where it connects to a second consolet
 : line, IIRC.   M :   Older VAXen (like the 780) had dedicated DL11 ports in the console 11/03, L : while later boxes (like the 8650) used a different kind of remote services* : console, which was a glorified X switch.   --  C Alexander_R_Svirsky_____________________________atlas@world.std.comn   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:48:20 GMTn( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>3 Subject: Re: Digital KBD01-AA - What is this thing?e' Message-ID: <G5FE0K.KBL@spcuna.spc.edu>   ? In comp.os.vms Alexander R Svirsky <atlas@world.std.com> wrote:bB > Any thoughts on other uses for this enclosure?  Is this really aI > three-slot dual-height QBus I see here?  Were there ever LSI-11 systemse > sold in this enclosure?-  "   Sorry, I've never opened one 8-)  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:50:42 -0500e- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> & Subject: Re: Email alias on DEC TCP/IP( Message-ID: <3A3521F8.B3B977D4@ohio.edu>  / On HOST.IT, from a suitably privileged account:    $ MAIL! MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=ALIAS USER   C It is not required that ALIAS be a working username on that system.e  #                                 RDPt     Cthulhu wrote:  E > I'm using DEC TCP/IP V5.0A, I'm trying to set an email alias on oneLB > account. Something that will allow the real user USER@HOST.IT to< > receive also mail for the non-existent user ALIAS@HOST.IT. > C > Looking in the online docs, I've found that what DEC calls "aliasyC > table" is instenad what all unix MTA calls "virtual table" and ish > not what I want. >xE > I looked in the Wizard archive, in "HELP MAIL" and back more on theVB > online docs, but it seems that, as usual, I'm missing something. > : > Also, is there a List Manager that will work on OpenVMS? >i	 > Thanks!m >  >         forwarding,- >            Cthulhu >  > -- >DI >        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!?3 >                         <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:48:12 GMTe* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: Error output ) Message-ID: <9137h8$nap$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l  , In article <9130q6$ro4$1@barcode.tesco.net>,)   "Rob Kings" <rob@vitalpulse.com> wrote:    [...]- >-E > $ dir /dat/siz/notra/out:ds18:[x.y.z.err]v-errfile.dir ds18:[x.y.z]v *.erra >e< > Now the script that includes this is called from within an application, so IeF > have the ability to re-direct any output (presumably the applicationD > re-directs sys$output) but if no matching files exist then I get a message F > "No files found" which appears in my application. It also includes a CR/LF % > which moved everything up one line.a >l > So, how do I get rid of this?h >-- > I would guess there are 2 possible answers:  >s. > 1. A dir syntax that doesn't cause the error >'H > 2. A way of "throwing away" all errors for the duration of the script. >D   You want no. 2:   2 $ SET MESSAGE/NOFACILITY/NOSEVERITY/NOIDENT/NOTEXT   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the longf wrong part first. Thanks.o   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)+ w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.coml5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.come    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:42:30 -0500o2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: Error outpute* Message-ID: <3A352E26.52C34CD8@oracle.com>  	 how aboutg4 	$ if f$search ("ds18:[x.y.z]*.err") .nes. "" then -; 		dir /dat/siz/notra/output=ds18:[x.y.z.err]v-errfile.dir -r 			ds18:[x.y.z]*.err   Rob Kings wrote: > 
 > Dear all > J > It's been  awhile since I had to do too much VMS, and so I'm very rusty.' > Consequently I have a slight problem.h > N > I am writing a script that needs to create a directory listing file. This it' > does using syntax along the lines of:M > J > $ dir /dat/siz/notra/out:ds18:[x.y.z.err]v-errfile.dir ds18:[x.y.z]*.err > N > Now the script that includes this is called from within an application, so IF > have the ability to re-direct any output (presumably the applicationL > re-directs sys$output) but if no matching files exist then I get a messageL > "No files found" which appears in my application. It also includes a CR/LF% > which moved everything up one line.s >  > So, how do I get rid of this?s > - > I would guess there are 2 possible answers:t > . > 1. A dir syntax that doesn't cause the error > H > 2. A way of "throwing away" all errors for the duration of the script. >  > Cheers >  > Robi   -- d> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Dec 2000 20:46:13 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Error output,6 Message-ID: <913eel$9a8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  U In article <9130q6$ro4$1@barcode.tesco.net>, "Rob Kings" <rob@vitalpulse.com> writes: G :I am writing a script that needs to create a directory listing file... - :1. A dir syntax that doesn't cause the errortG :2. A way of "throwing away" all errors for the duration of the script.u     Some of the options:  J     @procedure/OUT=NLA0: and send all procedure output to the null device.A     Add SET MESSAGE... to the procedure and suppress the messagesa=     Use PIPE to redirect all of the DIRECTORY command output.eG     DEFINE/USER the messages to NLA0: just before the DIRECTORY commanda         Probably a few others...      Best:m  H     use the lib$find_file and related calls, and dispense with the spawn     and the procedure...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:31:12 -0500   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com9 Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!u4 Message-ID: <C22569B2.006FFC65.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   >To:  Info-VAX@mvb.saic.come >cc:: >Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS! >- >Paul, >-' >Congratulations!  What were you doing?a >e+ >A lot has changed in 20 years of computing- >-I >Do you realise that 20 years ago people would not have accepted a system + >that has to be re-booted on a daily basis.m >)F >We still have some of the engineers that were here 20 years ago still >coding. >t  + Maybe soon they'll finish that project  ;-)    >Best Regards, >s >Sue >   >Paul Sture wrote in message ...G >>If I've got my dates right, on 8-DEC-1980, I logged into my first VMS_	 >>system.   C I believe my (former) company took delivery of a VAX-11/780 in late/A Spring 1979.  [See the current Rapidly Changing Face of Computing 1 <URL: http://www5.compaq.com/rcfoc/20001211.html>p for a picture.   -Norm(   >>___" >>Paul Sture
 >>Switzerlandf >>   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2000 04:15:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS  Education site0 Message-ID: <871yve90jo.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  3 nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:r  / > In article <912gl5$tq6$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, s. >    Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes: > N > > Malcolm, David, Phillip why are you so negative? Essential is what license > > grant text says: ...E  J >     The license terms says that the software may be copied onto multipleH > computers, nowhere does it say that any of those computers may be usedC > by more than one person at a time. Given the "single user" naturetK > everywhere else in the terms ( and the contents of the faq ), what "fact"pF > is it that leads you to presume multiple users on a single system isF > permitted? These are indisputably "single-user" licenses and the faqI > says they may not be combined to allow multiple users - those seem like=8 > a couple of pretty solid facts to back up my argument.   ...-  I >    Perhaps we could take Hoff up on his offer to pass this thread alongnE > to someone in Compaq who can explain if things are as they seem andl > post their response here.F >  > > Still maybe wrong- > B >    I wish you were right. I was really hoping this program wouldH > encourage our Comp Sci department to use VMS in some courses, but I've> > not seen anything yet that makes it appear that is possible.  > I was goning to be doning the VMS component of a 1/2 year, 3rd= year System Admin unit at Curtin Uni. This has 32 students inC/ it. They work in groups of 3 or 4 for the labs.5  ? With these licences, there would be no chance of setting things 4 up so they are exposed to multi-system environments.  B They are good, in that they remove they cost of the base licences.= They miss the boat because they fail to allow what is needed;A> the complete environment and range of configurations. Plus the; effect of them leaving with the idea that VMS is a crippledc single user system...e     -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Dec 2000 19:08:36 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)b% Subject: Re: One world, one processore0 Message-ID: <9138nk$8nj$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  i In article <009F46F7.C82B0998.32@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:r >David Webb writes:t >eF >> I thought you were talking about processors not operating systems. J >> The high cost of design and manufacture already mean that the number ofP >> companies producing processors is not very large. Further consolidation there >> is not required.  > A >But may be inevitable. The investment needed to develop each newRL >generation of faster CPU is increasing exponentially. This has two effects.E >One is that if a company falls behind the leading edge, it loses thelN >ability ever to get back there, because it is the increased economy of scale K >gained  by the other companies still at the leading edge that allows them  B >to compete. The other is that if we are ever to see the ultimate I >microprocessor, the cost of its design will be so enormous that only oneeI >organisation will be left in the game at that point: a natural monopoly.E >G  C Agreed. What I was arguing against was the contention that further u consolidation was desirable.  I >It's not necessarily cause for concern. The water you drink is a naturalaI >monopoly: it will never be in anyone's interests to lay a second set of /K >competing supply pipes. Since competition can't control prices, government:L >has to instead, by strict regulation of the industry. I think this is whereG >we are headed with the CPU. The alternative is that anti-monopoly lawssK >are used to preserve  several  competing designs and organisations, but I vH >think that would prevent the last step right up to the physical limits J >from being attempted. Maybe that is a price worth paying, but I don't seeL >it. It certainly wouldn't represent a free market any more than a monopoly  >would.e >  >> eQ >> As to OS's the answer is basically the same. We have so many Operating systems<R >> because each company percieves that they must be slightly different in order to >> compete.H > O >No! The situation with software is literally at the opposite pole. There is norL >huge investment needed to write software, beyond programmers training theirF >brains. There's no great economies of scale to be found; indeed, manyL >programmers will tell you that a large company usually acts to reduce theirH >productivity (or to cause them to jump ship). Programmers (generalisingJ >wildly) work at their best in small companies, or in small teams in a big@ >company with the rare sense to keep the managerial touch light. >   G Although I agree that the cost positions are "at the opposite pole" theEK perceived competitive advantage of differentiating your product from others M is the same. As I said before the classic example of this is the multitude of ! different Unix operating systems.     J >We see this being recognised by the trend to open-source software ("Free"I >as in freedom as well as price). We also see efforts by certain de-facto O >monopolists to prevent or slow this change, for example using software patents-H >of dubious validity as blunt weapons against smaller organisations thatJ >can't afford the cost of defending themselves. BTW this tactic works wellN >against a small vendor of proprietary software, but I have by doubts whether I >it can succeed against genuinely free software. Who are you going to sue I >for damages, when nothing has been sold, when there are no contracts or iI >records, when the programmer could even choose net.anonymity or to be ansJ >employee of a no-assets limited-liability company headquartered somewhere$ >that doesn't have software patents. >  >[snip]m >> :P >> As to the waste argument. This is the classic argument against capitalism and0 >> in favour of a centrally controlled economy.  >>  L >Unnecessary centralisation is bad. Acknowlegement and regulation of naturalF >monopolies may be necessary, because sometimes the economies of scaleO >are genuine and (IMO, in the case of microprocessors) scale up all the way to t >world-wide. >t  I I agree about regulation of natural monopolies however I don't think the  . microprocessor industry is a natural monopoly.G Microprocessor development is still improving on Silicon and hopefully aI will continue for sometime using other materials when the physical limitsn( inherent in that technology are reached.N A monopolistic position would impede such developments and I find it difficult5 to see how governments could regulate for innovation.0    4  M >I think it's also true that as technology advances, it becomes in everyone'snG >interests to stop arguing over the lower levels of a construct and to >K >standardise it. 230V AC 50Hz may or may not be the optimum domestic supplytF >voltage (USA has 60Hz and mostly 110V), but nobody seriously contendsK >that there's any compelling reason for change. Standard timber sizes like .L >22mm and 38mm reflect rough-cutting to inch-denominated sizes, then wastageG >to a finishing plane. It's not particularly sensible, but nobody cares O >enough to change it or even to suggest change. SCSI and ATA may or may not be rH >good ways to attach devices to computers, but the general thrust today D >is towards trying to remove points of incompatibility so that such G >things inter-operate. The days when manufacturers made a (plus) sales fM >point out of the incompatibility of their disk drives with other folks' ones0 >have gone.  >   N True. If we were to hit a fundamental limit today which meant that we could noK longer make smaller faster chips (using any realistic technology) - or such L that  any improvement would be so miniscule as not to be worth spending muchE money on it. Then standardising on one chip design would make sense.  O However the monopolistic control of such a chip would be relatively short livedXM - after all patents run out. (That is assuming that the patent protection was > strong enough to prevent others reverse engineering the chip).  O Though maybe no one would bother since without the yearly increase of cpu powergF - applications would once again need to be written to work efficiently1 - there would be no great pressure to upgrade Pcsy      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University m   >	Yours, >		Nigel Arnot. >		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                    > 8 >		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:24:42 GMTt+ From: genkai wa doko da <gauze@my-deja.com> ? Subject: OpenVMS 6.0 reboots when I type "help" on remote logine) Message-ID: <913r83$8p5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>0  E  I pretty much summed up what happens in the subject, if I login withiG telnet or rlogin and try to use the help command the system crashes andaE reboots. Doing the same on my vt220 clone directly connected it works  fine.:  E I tried doing a search on the web to see if this is any kind of knownlF problem but it seems the search terms I was trying to use were far too broad.  = ok, now on reboot this brings up another problem: I can't get G @ucx$startup to work many (most, in the order of 30-1 against) times. I- get errors like this:   . %UCX-E-INVINTER, Error defining interface: SE0* -UCX-I-ACPQIO, Failure on Internet ACP QIOC -UCX-E-INVETHERNAM, Too many protocols or protocol already assignedm! -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, Device Timeout A %UCX-W-CMDFILERROR, Error in UCX$INET_SET_INTERFACES Command File,  F I have deleted UCX$INET_SET_INTERFACES.COM and run UCX$CONFIG a numberF of times, I am just lost as to what the problem is. No, I haven't been using OpenVMS long.S  H A quick search on Google on 'INVETHERNAM' returns 0 pages which leads meG to believe I have some kind of odd problem, possibly hardware for all Ia know.m  H the hardware involved is a VAXstation 3100/m30 using AUI for the network" deal, not that I guess it matters.   thanks.a   briann   --9 RCS/RI, Retro Computing Society: http://www.osfn.org/rcs/I0 RIFUG, RI Free Unix Group: http://www.rifug.org/+ Dropdead, my band: http://www.dropdead.org/ 0 my videogame stuff: http://www.gloom.org/~gauze/    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:06:32 +1100"/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>m Subject: Re: process creationo2 Message-ID: <ZXdZ5.7584$Vu1.168852@ozemail.com.au>  A Alwin Dieperink <alwin.dieperink@elca-matrix.ch> wrote in message   news:C35Y5.120$_V6.46373@news...	 > Hi all,g > D > We have a lot of process creations (up to 2500 creprc/hour) on ourE > overloaded system (alpha 8400-5/625, VMS 7.1-H1, 8 CPUs, 8GB). What= negativeH > influence has this on our system ? Would we have better performance by& > reducing it ? How much will we win ? >u > Thanks for any advice 
 > -- Alwin > H One option you could investigate, depending on how much control you haveJ over the code you are running,  is to have a server process that creates aJ number of idle processes that your code can attach to instead of creating.L This approach results in the same number of process creations but can smooth# out the performance "hit" involved.uJ I think the vms version of emacs did someting similar - creating a process6 that could be "attached to" on subsequent activations. Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:02:55 -0500i" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: process creations: Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.0.20001211195149.01f8ed20@24.8.96.48>  7 Alwin Dieperink <alwin.dieperink@elca-matrix.ch> wrote: 
  > Hi all,  >E  > We have a lot of process creations (up to 2500 creprc/hour) on ourgF  > overloaded system (alpha 8400-5/625, VMS 7.1-H1, 8 CPUs, 8GB). What negativeI  > influence has this on our system ? Would we have better performance byl'  > reducing it ? How much will we win ?   L While the process creation might not hurt much (and it's not much), you may . pay in other ways that can hurt. Check to see:  J *) What kind of auditing and accounting do you have enabled? Depending on I how the processes are created, you may have one or more entries made per E process created.  J *) What do the proceses do? 2500 simple DCL procedures an hour's nothing, J while 2500 Oracle connections rather more expensive. If they're expensive @ processes, you might want to see what can be done to reuse them.  I *) Do you have the common executables your processes use INSTALLed? This :@ can make a huge difference in the expense of starting a process.  L *) What sort of caching's enabled on the controllers? I assume you have HSx K controllers of some sort. See what drives are being hammered and see about iK making them more efficient. Mirroring drives that are mostly read from can hJ help a lot. Also check the cache hit rate on the controllers. If you have K drives that see a lot of repetitive read activities (like they have config tD files or suchlike things) with a low cache hit rate, try upping the K MAXIMUM_CACHED_TRANSFER_SIZE parameter on the controllers for those disks. aJ (I saw a drive go from ~30% hit to 100% hit by upping that parameter from K the default 32 blocks to 128) Also see about enabling writeback caching on uJ drives that see a good write rate if you have a UPS and good batteries on  the controllers.  L *) Check what your cluster locking rate looks like if you're clustered. You K may have a lot of locking activity going on with each process startup, and eD if the system's got a slow cluster interconnect you'll see overhead.  L *) Does each process started create a logfile or something? At 2500/hr, you F can rack up a lot of log files, and you may be spending a lot of time  shuffling directories around.-   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even0;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:58:55 +0100i" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>1 Subject: Re: Stalled Printer Queue On LAT Networkl( Message-ID: <913f49$3lg$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  H Probably sending you off in the wrong direction, but try an old DS100 or# DS200 and check how that works out.E; The 90L+ is (IMVHO) not the best terminal server out there.   
 Hans Vlems  - Carmine Castiglia heeft geschreven in bericht " <912pro$4bp$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...L >Situation is this:  Output Technologies LaserMatrix 1000 Model 5 continuousE >form laser printer connected via serial port to a port on a DEC 90L+eF >Terminal Server which is part of a LAT network.  Host computer is DECE >AlphaServer running OpenVMS.  Printer is set up as a spooled device.  >nE >Printer is configured for 19,200 baud, No Parity, 1 Stop Bit, Robust-I >XON/XOFF (Robust: XON is transmitted at 1 second intervals until data isuI >received.  I have tried with Robust mode on and off).  90L+ port, queue,- andC. >terminal port configurations are shown below. >oD >Problem: Printer stops responding to host (host stops responding toJ >printer?) several times throughout the day.  $ SHO QUE indicates that theH >que is "STALLED" and only powering down/restarting the printer will getI >things going again.  Also, occasional document corruption.  Under normaloJ >circumstances I would believe that this is a flow control issue (note theJ >count of Framing Errors in the terminal server, below).  If I monitor theJ >90L+ server during a long printout (by repeated SHO 7 commands) I can seeL >flow control being asserted as the report varys between ENA/On and ENA/Off. >mJ >This has been a long-standing annoyance for me and I would appreciate any >insight anyone can offer. >R> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >f1 >Operating System is a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB_) >System Version is V7.1-1H2 on node ESP98- >- > $ sho que/ful shop$order > I >  Terminal queue SHOP$ORDER, idle, on ESP98::LTA900, mounted form NORMALu >   (stock=DEFAULT)S< >    /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=NORMAL (stock=DEFAULT))H >    /LIBRARY=EMSDEVCTL_HPLJ Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=LATSYMC >    /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /RETAIN=ERROR /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)i >  $ >w >  $ sho term lta900:, >vF >   Terminal: _LTA5045:   Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: SYMBIONT_3? >                                              Username: SYSTEMa >mD >    Input:   19200     LFfill:  0      Width: 132      Parity: None2 >    Output:  19200     CRfill:  0      Page:   66 >o >  Terminal Characteristics:K >    Interactive                  Echo                         No Typeahead)
 >No EscapeF >    Hostsync                    TTsync                      Lowercase >TabF >    No Wrap                     Scope                       No Remote	 >Eightbita8 >    No Broadcast             No Readsync           Form >Fulldup= >    No Modem                 No Local_echo       No Autobaud  >HangupsA >    No Brdcstmbx            No DMA                  No Altypeahdo
 >Set_speedB >    No Commsync           No Line Editing      Overstrike editing No	 >FallbackF@ >    No Dialup                   No Secure server     Disconnect >PasthruG >    No Syspassword         No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters    Noi
 >Printer Port 7 >    Numeric Keypad        No ANSI_CRT         No Regisa >No Block_modeI >    No Advanced_video   No Edit_mode         No DEC_CRT               Noe	 >DEC_CRT2tF >    No DEC_CRT3           No DEC_CRT4       No DEC_CRT5            No >Ansi_Colora >    VMS Style Input >e >  Device spooled to _DRA0:f >  $ >t >g >DEC 90L+ Terminal Server: >u >> SHO 7 >v >  Name      PORT_7e >  Speed     19200 >  In Flow   ENA/onh >  Out Flow  ENA/ony >  Type      PRINTER >  Break     LOCAL >  Rem Mod   DIS >  Test      NOr >  AutoConf  DIS >  ODL       DIS >  Status    LOCAL
 >  Service >  Node  >  Port  >  Fram Err  59c >i >e >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:22:38 GMTe! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com> 1 Subject: Re: Stalled Printer Queue On LAT Network & Message-ID: <SlUtwGA8LVN6EwI2@gol.com>  = In article <912pro$4bp$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, Carmine Castiglia- <ccastiglia@engsint.com> writes1L >Situation is this:  Output Technologies LaserMatrix 1000 Model 5 continuousE >form laser printer connected via serial port to a port on a DEC 90L+cF >Terminal Server which is part of a LAT network.  Host computer is DECE >AlphaServer running OpenVMS.  Printer is set up as a spooled device.> >tE >Printer is configured for 19,200 baud, No Parity, 1 Stop Bit, RobusteI >XON/XOFF (Robust: XON is transmitted at 1 second intervals until data ismM >received.  I have tried with Robust mode on and off).  90L+ port, queue, andi. >terminal port configurations are shown below. >nD >Problem: Printer stops responding to host (host stops responding toJ >printer?) several times throughout the day.  $ SHO QUE indicates that theH >que is "STALLED" and only powering down/restarting the printer will getI >things going again.  Also, occasional document corruption.  Under normalnJ >circumstances I would believe that this is a flow control issue (note theJ >count of Framing Errors in the terminal server, below).  If I monitor theJ >90L+ server during a long printout (by repeated SHO 7 commands) I can seeL >flow control being asserted as the report varys between ENA/On and ENA/Off. >tJ >This has been a long-standing annoyance for me and I would appreciate any >insight anyone can offer. >.> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >a1 >Operating System is a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MBi) >System Version is V7.1-1H2 on node ESP98n >l > $ sho que/ful shop$order >nI >  Terminal queue SHOP$ORDER, idle, on ESP98::LTA900, mounted form NORMAL  >   (stock=DEFAULT)T< >    /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=NORMAL (stock=DEFAULT))H >    /LIBRARY=EMSDEVCTL_HPLJ Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=LATSYMC >    /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /RETAIN=ERROR /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)n >  $ >e >  $ sho term lta900:e >rF >   Terminal: _LTA5045:   Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: SYMBIONT_3? >                                              Username: SYSTEM' >hD >    Input:   19200     LFfill:  0      Width: 132      Parity: None2 >    Output:  19200     CRfill:  0      Page:   66 >t >  Terminal Characteristics:K >    Interactive                  Echo                         No Typeaheado
 >No EscapeF >    Hostsync                    TTsync                      Lowercase >TabF >    No Wrap                     Scope                       No Remote	 >Eightbitr8 >    No Broadcast             No Readsync           Form >Fulldup= >    No Modem                 No Local_echo       No Autobaud( >HangupiA >    No Brdcstmbx            No DMA                  No Altypeahdm
 >Set_speedM >    No Commsync           No Line Editing      Overstrike editing         Noh	 >Fallbacka@ >    No Dialup                   No Secure server     Disconnect >PasthruG >    No Syspassword         No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters    No 
 >Printer Port 7 >    Numeric Keypad        No ANSI_CRT         No Regisn >No Block_modeI >    No Advanced_video   No Edit_mode         No DEC_CRT               Noa	 >DEC_CRT2 F >    No DEC_CRT3           No DEC_CRT4       No DEC_CRT5            No >Ansi_Colors >    VMS Style Input >s >  Device spooled to _DRA0:f >  $ >e >- >DEC 90L+ Terminal Server: >  >> SHO 7 >s >  Name      PORT_7n >  Speed     19200 >  In Flow   ENA/onn >  Out Flow  ENA/ons >  Type      PRINTER >  Break     LOCAL >  Rem Mod   DIS >  Test      NOv >  AutoConf  DIS >  ODL       DIS >  Status    LOCAL
 >  Service >  Nodee >  Portg >  Fram Err  59m >s >h >n  H Are you sure that all the control/escape codes sent are supported by theE printer?  For example, we had serious (and similar) printing problemsnE until we discovered that we were sending DEC LA75 codes to a DEC LA90'# printer.  Understandably of course.m -- :
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:13:00 -0800i! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.come Subject: Re: Sun ClusterD Message-ID: <OFEC6537F9.A1F6D826-ON882569B3.000125D5@foundation.com>  K Then Andrew, I guess you're the only regular reader who doesn't immediatelyi know what I'm referring to.i   Shanes          D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 12/11/2000 02:05:04 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn cc:i   Subject:  Re: Sun Clusters    " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: >dG > He always does that just after taking a beating. My theory is it's anoJ > attempt to build up a little credibility for the next attack. Most of us< > don't buy it, but some do and they're the ones he's after. >c  = Taken a beating, how quaint and what a wonderfull distortion.u  A A better description of the "beating" that I have supposedly been 	 subjectedaG to would would be that I have been savaged by a sheep or even a herd ofo sheep.   Regardss Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT ArchitectH   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:49:30 -0500d' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>n Subject: Re: Sun Cluster( Message-ID: <9143jh$11i$1@pyrite.mv.net>  > Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message& news:913155$5q1k$1@lead.zk3.dec.com...< > Bill Todd wrote in message <90rgq3$jkh$1@pyrite.mv.net>... > >  > >aK > >Could you point out significant elements that weren't planned before thesG > >take-over and don't constitute pretty much business as usual for VMSd (whichJ > >has in the face of continuing adversity managed to continue a stream ofJ > >useful, if seldom really aggressive compared to the enhancement rate of itstJ > >competition, improvements and reliable maintenance for a very long timeI > >now)?  The only one that pops immediately to my mind (and I'm far fromgI > >well-acquainted with everything that might have transpired) is the COEh > work,mF > >and I suspect there's at least some reason to believe that this was forcedJ > >upon Compaq by the threat of what lack of it would mean to its existing > >Government business.c > >o >  >rI > Galaxy.  This was a significant program.  It was not business as usual.  ItF > could easily have been stopped by Compaq management, but instead wasI > affirmed as great new technology that we should pursue by ALL levels of  thea1 > corporations management and technology leaders.e  H While not claiming more than anecdotal knowledge, my impression was thatK Galaxy was set in motion (i.e., 'planned' to use my word above) well beforevI the take-over.  So it hardly qualifies as an answer to my question (which L was posed in the context of a previous note saying that the fact that CompaqH hadn't killed already-planned VMS work when it took over hardly deserved excessive praise).   - bill   >m? > The only reason to do COE is because it is a DII requirement.i Nonetheless,F > it requires a significant long-term committment to ongoing standards$ > compliance and OS/HW availability. >tK > Certainly we do not have unrestrained resources.  But you can bet that weDK > would not have pursued Galaxy if VMS had been placed in maintenance mode.e >o >  >e >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:14:08 -0600s7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>k Subject: Re: Sun Cluster- Message-ID: <3A359800.DA36D686@earthlink.net>p   andrew harrison wrote: > $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >lI > > He always does that just after taking a beating. My theory is it's an,L > > attempt to build up a little credibility for the next attack. Most of us> > > don't buy it, but some do and they're the ones he's after. > >I > ? > Taken a beating, how quaint and what a wonderfull distortion.t > C > A better description of the "beating" that I have supposedly beenm > subjected I > to would would be that I have been savaged by a sheep or even a herd of  > sheep.  H You may not want to broadcast your sexual preferences in a public forum.   --   David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged..   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:38:21 -0500-# From: "Tech1" <TechnX@mechtech.com>1 Subject: symbiont to delete FF& Message-ID: <M%aZ5.475$T61.804@client>  , Please, I would appreciate help with this... Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:27:06 -0600s7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> " Subject: Re: symbiont to delete FF- Message-ID: <3A3546AA.67331C19@earthlink.net>s   Tech1 wrote: > . > Please, I would appreciate help with this... > Thanks  " Can you provide some more details?  & What is the problem you wish to solve?   -- w David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsv http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:18:25 +1100a/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>-" Subject: Re: symbiont to delete FF. Message-ID: <vojZ5.139$W1.2485@ozemail.com.au>  , Tech1 <TechnX@mechtech.com> wrote in message  news:M%aZ5.475$T61.804@client.... > Please, I would appreciate help with this... > Thanks >eL http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/72final/6526/6526profile_029.html#heading_ 19.1.1  3 19.1.1 TELNETSYM Modifications to the Output Stream(  6 TELNETSYM modifies the print output stream as follows:  K TELNETSYM doubles any TELNET IAC characters found in the byte stream unless>H TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP is defined for the queue. The IAC character is a hexadecimal FF.n  I Because /PASSALL print jobs might contain 8-bit data, TELNETSYM sends the K TELNET "do binary will binary" options-negotiation escape sequence before ao. print job that has been printed with /PASSALL.; You can turn off this behavior by defining the logical namepL TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP for the queue. TELNETSYM does not send this sequence before printing a /PASSALL job..  H The "do binary will binary" sequence is 6 bytes, which are symbolically:" IAC, DO, BINARY, IAC, WILL, BINARY In hexadecimal, this is: FF,FD,00,FF,FB,00d  I TELNETSYM generates a form feed before the first job of a new print queue J starts and at the end of every job. This is normal behavior for an OpenVMS1 print symbiont. To suppress this behavior, definen1 TCPIP$TELNETSYM_SUPPRESS_FORMFEEDS for the queue.e  J TELNETSYM sets its process names to TCPIP$TNSYM1, TCPIP$TNSYM2, and so on.   Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:53:48 -0500t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>s Subject: Re: VMS "froze", Message-ID: <913bdl$5v7t$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  I Mark D. Jilson wrote in message <3A34F311.331B51FE@clarityconnect.com>...iE >Unfortunately there are systems out there where the Halt button doesaH >require assistance from the console firmware to halt the cpu.  If thereF >is a problem in this area you will find that the Halt button will notF >function.  I don't know all the models that this is possible on but IG >have seen it happen many times where a system was in such a state thathC >the Halt button would not work and the resolution was not hardwarer >based.o >l     All of them in fact.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:15:44 +0100a0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>- Subject: [RFC] New OpenVMS training in France * Message-ID: <3A3535F0.12121B57@Easynet.fr>   (text in English below)-   Bonjour,  G Vue la demande croissante en oprateurs VMS sur le march pour les SSCI F qui les envoient en clientle pour remplacer les "anciens" qui migrentD vers NT, j'ai dmarr avec un autre consultant un projet de cration1 d'un centre de formation pour oprateurs OpenVMS.H  A Ceux qui seraient intresss  donner des cours (en franais), de G Commandes et Utilitaires  CrashDump Analysis :-) peuvent se manifesteru ici ou par mail.  G Aujourd'hui il n'y a qu'un seul concurrent : Global Knowledge, dont leshE formateurs sont  mon avis inadapts  la demande (trop forts ou trops faibles :-)a  H Rgion de Toulouse, probablement en louant une salle  l'IBIS de Blagnac  chaque sance.   Hello,  C Sight the increasing demand for operators VMS on the market for thenD SSCI[1] which send them at customers to replace the "old hand" whichC migrates towards NT, I started with another consultant a project ofg8 creation of a center of formation for OpenVMS operators.  D Those which would be interested to give courses (in French), ie CommH ands and Utilities or CrashDump Analysis: -) can appear here or by mail.F Today there is one competitor: Global Knowledge, whose trainers are inC my opinion unsuited to the request (too much strong or too weak: -)m  G Area of Toulouse, probably by renting a room in the IBIS of Blagnac forv each meeting.   3 [1] SSCI Software Services and Consulting CompaniesS  * [thank you www.babelfish.altavista.com :-)   D. -- lF   --------------------------------------------------------------------F Le Pachacamac COMPAQ/DEC/APPLE 34 av. G. Pompidou, 81500 Lavaur FranceD    http://www.pachacamac.com   *** Une passion pour l'excellence ***F Tl. : 05.63.58.58.63    Fax. : 05.63.58.58.33    GSM : 06.88.97.61.48  F >>> L'association des distributeurs APPLE : http://www.ada.mac-fan.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.692 ************************