1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 695       Contents:A Re: Ages of OSs was: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!  CPQ by CNET 1 DBL files on VMS (can I access them via windows?) 5 Re: DBL files on VMS (can I access them via windows?)  Re: DCPS flag page format # Fibre channel tape controller+TL891 ' Re: Fibre channel tape controller+TL891   File conversion (RMS->stream-lf)$ Re: File conversion (RMS->stream-lf)$ Re: File conversion (RMS->stream-lf)$ Re: File conversion (RMS->stream-lf)  Re: GCC availablility on VMS/VAX Help on OpenVms 7.1 & RE: IBM and Linux ... purfect together Re: INITIALIZE/MAXIMUM_FILES Re: ipchains on OpenVMS  Re: ipchains on OpenVMS  Re: ipchains on OpenVMS 0 Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!0 Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!0 Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!0 Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!0 Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!* Re: Mouse hang: AlphaStation 1000A VMS 6.2* Re: Mouse hang: AlphaStation 1000A VMS 6.2 Re: New OpenVMS  Education site  Re: New OpenVMS Education site Re: New OpenVMS Education site Re: New OpenVMS Education site Re: New OpenVMS Education site Re: PCL to HTML  Re: PCL to HTML ! Re: Perceived VMS Marketing issue , Re: Problems installing MQ Series on VMS 6.2, Re: Problems installing MQ Series on VMS 6.2 Re: Sort for DIR command start/que/search problem Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Supervisor Series on Alpha Re: Supervisor Series on Alpha Re: VMS "froze"  Re: VMS "froze"   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 13:02:02 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) J Subject: Re: Ages of OSs was: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!0 Message-ID: <917s0a$l8h$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  _ In article <87k895xte4.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: ) >Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  > 	 >> Hello,  >>  L >> I do work also 21 years with VMS/OpenVMS. Starting with V1.7, VMS was theK >> stablest system I have ever seen. But it did not get the Awards. OpenVMS H >> is real good. They most problems I did see where the foreign productsJ >> (disk, tapes, network). I hope that OpenVMS will live additional years,J >> so that we can celebrate the 50th birthday of VMS. Additional question:7 >> when will VMS become 25 years old (later then UNIX)?  > D >Well, if you use the conservative 78 date, just over 2 years to go.: >Unix, is alas, 'over the hill'. Its 30th was 3 years ago. >  >--    Paul,   ? I think your pushing the Genesis of Unix back a little too far.   L I believe Unix was born late 1969 early 1970 after the demise of the Multics project in 1968/1969. ; The first release outside of AT&T was probably around 1972.   N "... the number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected ...", - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972  F (From http://www.unix-systems.org/what_is_unix/history_timeline.html )  O It was rewritten in C in 1973 and then widely released to Universities in 1975.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:00:54 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: CPQ by CNETL Message-ID: <OF6BADC863.E49D11A2-ON032569B4.005D4652@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H Let=B4s hope if the next year for Compaq will be the reborn of the high= -end services and hardware.  H http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4131515.html?tag=3Dst.ne.1002.thed= .ni   H I work for Compaq Customer Services, even I am not an employee.... I am=   sub-sub-subcontracted :-) 7 It=B4s the way companies here (Brazil) make money ! :-)    Regards    FC=    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:51:34 -0500 . From: "Dave" <!delete!davekone@savalfoods.com>: Subject: DBL files on VMS (can I access them via windows?): Message-ID: <5VMZ5.5080$Sl.260823@iad-read.news.verio.net>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C064F2.A91EB8C0  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   G Does anyone know ofa program that will allow a Windows OS to directly = H read and write to .dbl files on a Alpha VMS computer?  The programs on =E VMS were writting in Synergy and use .ddf file that I think are RMS =  files.  VMS ver 7.1    thanks  + ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C064F2.A91EB8C0  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4308.2900" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>! <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does anyone know ofa program that will = 
 allow a=20E Windows OS to directly read and write to .dbl files on a Alpha VMS=20 F computer?&nbsp; The programs on VMS were writting in Synergy and use = .ddf file=20: that I think are RMS files.&nbsp; VMS ver 7.1</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = 7 size=3D2>thanks</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C064F2.A91EB8C0--    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 16:40:25 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: DBL files on VMS (can I access them via windows?)6 Message-ID: <9188pp$el8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  k In article <5VMZ5.5080$Sl.260823@iad-read.news.verio.net>, "Dave" <!delete!davekone@savalfoods.com> writes: - :This is a multi-part message in MIME format.       Please turn off MIME.  Thanks!  H :Does anyone know ofa program that will allow a Windows OS to directly =I :read and write to .dbl files on a Alpha VMS computer?  The programs on = F :VMS were writting in Synergy and use .ddf file that I think are RMS = :files.  VMS ver 7.1  G   Donno specifically about Dibol nor about what data Dibol or the local G   application might keep in the file(s), but ODBC and JDBC servers for  E   OpenVMS are available, and that permit clients to access RMS files. 8   (See the OpenVMS FAQ for some additional information.)  E   Alternatively, a CGI interface into these files -- using Dibol code F   on the OpenVMS host -- would not be particularly difficult.  AnotherD   approach would involve adding a local COM or IP-level protocol (or2   server) to allow access to the application data.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:51 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>" Subject: Re: DCPS flag page formatC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-F983E5.13225113122000@news.compaq.com>   C In article <3A36A959.4B7E5AAD@rtfmcsi.com>, ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com   wrote:  G > OK, you stuck your head up and asked for input... That's a dangerous   > thing to do.  G I drive on Massachusetts roads to get to work every day.  That's a lot  ; more dangerous than asking in a newsgroup about flag pages.   G > In general, I'd like to see that flag pages have more flexibility to  ! > them for *ALL* print symbionts.   G That's a good idea.  This would solve the consistency problem for jobs  F coming from OpenVMS systems, but obviously not for those coming from, 
 say, Windows.   I I have received other comments that would involve participation by other  D engineering groups also.  It's obviously easier for me to implement I something in DCPS, especially if it's a simple change, than coordinating  6 a Master Plan for Flag Pages between groups at Compaq.  G > The output page format varies widely as does the type of paper stock  D > on these printers and the archaic 132 column wide flag/burst page B > just is not suitable for general use on all of these printers &  > their associated formats.   H That's why I turn off flag pages altogether on my LPR and Telnet queues.  G > The existing PSM$ANNOUNCE logical is not sufficient at this time for  ! > customization of the flag page.    That is an understatement.  C > I really need fully customizable flag pages for each of my print  C > queues. I'd like to be able to store my flag pages as text files  D > containing variable names that would get their values substituted   > when the print job is printed.   This is an interesting idea.  C > I would expect that this enhancement would be implemented in the  D > basic print symbiont code that is shared by symbionts built using E > the PSM$*() functions. What I don't remember is whether or not the  E > LATSYM symbiont, the UCX LPD symbiont, the UCX Telnet symbiont and  D > DCPS symbiont all make use of the same shared code or if each one F > was built as a fully independent print symbiont which would need to > > be separately modified to implement this functionality, too.  I I believe the individual symbionts would have to be separately modified,  H although I'm speaking basically for DCPS.  Each symbiont does something E different with the value of PSM$ANNOUCE and in any case, it's just a  2 string value to be printed at the top of the page.  C Thank you for your comments.  It made me realize that changing the  : format of the node and username is the tip of the iceburg.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:33:07 GMT < From: "Ricardo" <preguntaselo_a_infonegocio@esculpasuya.com>, Subject: Fibre channel tape controller+TL891: Message-ID: <T7JZ5.51590$yO2.1586627@telenews.teleline.es>  K I have OpenVms 7.2-1 and KGPSA with Compaq Fibre Channel Tape Controller II   attached to TL891, and TIMA kit.  8 I can't configure the Tape (the system don't recognize)?   why?   Thanks.    Ricardo Fernandez  rfernandez@trainingsistemas.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:14:23 GMT % From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> 0 Subject: Re: Fibre channel tape controller+TL891) Message-ID: <918e9l$vd6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   : In article <T7JZ5.51590$yO2.1586627@telenews.teleline.es>,?   "Ricardo" <preguntaselo_a_infonegocio@esculpasuya.com> wrote: ? > I have OpenVms 7.2-1 and KGPSA with Compaq Fibre Channel Tape 0 > Controller II attached to TL891, and TIMA kit. > : > I can't configure the Tape (the system don't recognize)? >  > why?  : Because tape support is not implemented - planned for V7.3  ; I have talked to one of the FC engineers earlier this year. 0 They had a simple version of the driver running,$ but it was not ready for production.7 He said that they thought about releasing an ECO within 5 about 6 month, but I haven't seen anything and I have , not bothered to make further investigations.  6 If you want to send mail, please use user "zessin" who7 lives at "decus.decus.de", not my-deja.com . Since Deja 5 has switched their mailbox provider it is usually not 4 reachable from my site, also, I am very, very busy -7 please understand that I don't have time for individual 6 counseling (I'm just back from a 3-day training that I  have held at a customer's site).   --
 Uwe Zessin     Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:48:57 -0000 - From: "Michael Worsley" <mjw@praxis-cs.co.uk> ) Subject: File conversion (RMS->stream-lf) 4 Message-ID: <917r92$39bbt$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>  K My apologies, I know this is a fairly frequently asked question, but I have - not been able to find an appropriate tool....   
 *deep breath*   F Does anyone know of a Unix tool to convert RMS-style files to Unix (IE Stream-LF) format?  H Yes, I know FTP and CONVERT will perform the job admirably, however, theJ specifics of our setup make either of these solutions somewhat clunky:  weC have a large test suite stored on a Solaris NFS server which we are I accessing via the TCPWare NFS Client.  Unfortunately, the NFS client does K not automatically translate the ouput of our test suite to stream-lf, so we L currenlty use "CONVERT/FDL=TCPWARE:STREAMLF FILE FILE" to convert the output to the appropriate form.  C Given the number of files we are talking about (several thousand of L ~100-2000bytes a piece, normally), serving all of these files back and forthI places a high load on our NFS server and at least as a high a load on our J poor little MicroVAX 3100.  If I can move the conversion step from the VaxH to the significantly chunkier Solaris box, it should improve our time to test significantly.   F I have tried lots of searches via AltaVista, Ixquick, Google etc to noJ avail -- if anyone here knows of a utility, or knows of a software archiveD that may be worth checking out, I would really appreciate a pointer!   TIA,   -- Michael Worsley  SPARK Development Team Praxis Critical Systems Ltd  http://www.praxis-cs.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:11:06 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: File conversion (RMS->stream-lf) , Message-ID: <3A378378.D61FB707@videotron.ca>   Michael Worsley wrote:K > accessing via the TCPWare NFS Client.  Unfortunately, the NFS client does M > not automatically translate the ouput of our test suite to stream-lf, so we N > currenlty use "CONVERT/FDL=TCPWARE:STREAMLF FILE FILE" to convert the output > to the appropriate form.  L Have you considered changing the code in your application to create the file on VMS with stream-lf ?   
 For instance:   K myfile = fopen("myoutput_residing_on_unix.dat","w","rfm=stmlf","rat=none");   2 (not sure about the necessity to have "rat=none").  P These keywords can also be used if you use the "open" function instead of fopen.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:04:22 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>- Subject: Re: File conversion (RMS->stream-lf) + Message-ID: <917vl5$3ds@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   8 "Michael Worsley" <mjw@praxis-cs.co.uk> wrote in message. news:917r92$39bbt$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de...  H > Does anyone know of a Unix tool to convert RMS-style files to Unix (IE > Stream-LF) format?  I A specific case will be easier than the general case. Just normal counted J records would be a 10-20 minute Perl job. Full indexed file support rather more tricky.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:39:39 -0000 - From: "Michael Worsley" <mjw@praxis-cs.co.uk> - Subject: Re: File conversion (RMS->stream-lf) 4 Message-ID: <9181ok$37iaq$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A378378.D61FB707@videotron.ca... > Michael Worsley wrote:H > > accessing via the TCPWare NFS Client.  Unfortunately, the NFS client doesL > > not automatically translate the ouput of our test suite to stream-lf, so weI > > currenlty use "CONVERT/FDL=TCPWARE:STREAMLF FILE FILE" to convert the  output > > to the appropriate form. > I > Have you considered changing the code in your application to create the  file > on VMS with stream-lf ?  >  > For instance:  > 
 > myfile =B fopen("myoutput_residing_on_unix.dat","w","rfm=stmlf","rat=none"); > 4 > (not sure about the necessity to have "rat=none"). > K > These keywords can also be used if you use the "open" function instead of  fopen.  E That is a possiblity (although one for the future, I'm afraid to say)   J As part of the each test, we're redirecting stdout using "define/user_mode7 sys$output foo" after which, foo also needs converting.    -- Michael Worsley  SPARK Development Team Praxis Critical Systems Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:39:48 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ) Subject: Re: GCC availablility on VMS/VAX ) Message-ID: <3A3735D4.F038B17C@gtech.com>   
 smh wrote:H > I need a binary for gcc on VAX/VMX but can't find anything more recentE > than 2.7.1.  Since the project is C++ I need a more recent version.    ????  - GCC has supported C++ since the late 1980's !o  eF > I'm willing to pay for a CD, but can't find any vendors who sell the > binaries.l >  > I've so far triedC
 > www.rtr.com  > www.thewrittenword.com% > ... and of course various searches.a >   > Any help would be appreciated.  
 Try f.ex.:    ftp://vms.gnu.org/progis_mirror/   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:53:28 +0100)- From: Jean Louis PELINQ <jl.pelinq@orsid.com>e Subject: Help on OpenVms 7.13 Message-ID: <000a01c06535$fb6bec40$0111a8c0@newjlp>l  5 C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.   + ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0653E.5CF4D1E0L Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"M+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabler   Bonsoir de MARSEILLE.t  C I need to extract from the spool printer a file with its carriage =eE control codes (Standard ASA; 0,space,-,+ and 1 to C) for giving the =g& resulting file to a printing compagny. Please help me to do that.   Sincerally yours.i   Jean Louis PELINQ       + ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0653E.5CF4D1E0n Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"i+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablep  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =s charset=3Diso-8859-1">8 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>m </HEAD>r <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>C <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bonsoir de MARSEILLE.</FONT></DIV>e4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>C <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I need to extract from the spool =  printer a file=20fH with its carriage control codes (Standard ASA; 0,space,-,+ and 1 to C) = for=20> giving the resulting file to a printing compagny.</FONT></DIV>H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please help me to do that.</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>? <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sincerally yours.</FONT></DIV> 4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>? <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jean Louis PELINQ</FONT></DIV>o4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>B <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0653E.5CF4D1E0--t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:55:33 +0100I/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>>/ Subject: RE: IBM and Linux ... purfect togetherS7 Message-ID: <009F488C.7195157E.31@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>o   > Why do we need software VM ? > & > Is Galaxy itself not a hardware VM ? > J > A GS320 with a 2-node VMS cluster with each 8 CPU's and 16 Linux systems8 > with 1 CPU each could be a nice system for some sites. >  > Arne  = I'm thinking server farms run by ISPs (or by computer sciencea& departments and other training orgs).   H What these have in common is that you want two levels of management. TheJ organisation manages the real machine, carving it up into virtual machinesF and determining each VM's share of the physical resource. Each VM has G a manager with full privileges on that VM, but no privilege elsewhere. nE Furthermore, in general no VM trusts any other VM, and the managementa, of the physical machine trusts none of them.  M VMS is fine if you have a conventional (homogeneous) structure, with a system0J management and unprivileged (or partly privileged) users, and some degree M of mutual trust (such as that coming from all working for the same employer).   C If one can sensibly use Galaxy software and hardware to implement agI number of VMs an order of magnitude greater than the number of CPUs, then3M I've misunderstood Galaxy, and it's far more directly equivalent to IBM's VM.e   	Yours,t
 		Nigel Arnot.- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   e  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:44:42 GMT3$ From: Dave Barlow <uzko@my-deja.com>% Subject: Re: INITIALIZE/MAXIMUM_FILESo) Message-ID: <9185h8$n24$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s  ) In article <911jft$f5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,e-   Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> wrote:E  E > Also, you don't *need* the initial value of /HEADERS. Just estimatee theaE > largest number of file headers you'll ever need on that disk. Also,lC > according to what COMPAQ told me at my last job, the algoritm forrC > extension of INDEXF.SYS has been greatly improved. So even if youpE > grossly understimate the value for /HEADERS, you should stay out ofnD > trouble, provided your version of VMS is recent enough or you have! > applied the relevant patch kit.e  5 Does anyone have any specific details on this change?c  D I have a situation where on several drives (all 2 Gbyte SCSI) on oneE VAX the size of indexf.sys is the same as the allocated size, 61,000+n@ blocks, but indexf.sys has not extended yet. Each drive has over9 2,000,000 blocks free and only 8,000 files on each drive.E  D This system only runs one application with no users logging into it,F they use another VAX that acts as a front end X-windows server passingE data back to the application server that in turn communicates with anpF Unix Oracle server. So there is not a lot of file activity on the box,9 plenty of processing and network activity but little I/O.   : My feeling was that I needed to reformat these drives withE $INIT/HEADER=16000, to be safe. Based on above I may be safe to leaveI them as they are?D  - All servers run VAX/VMS 6.2 with Y2K patches.A   Dave Barlow-  B P.S. apologies if this gets posted twice, Deja just logged me out.     Sent via Deja.comn http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:18:58 +0100 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>  Subject: Re: ipchains on OpenVMS* Message-ID: <3A3722E3.8039CC2E@Easynet.fr>   Martin Bodenstedt wrote: >  > Hi folks,p > H > is there something similar to Ipchains (Linux) for OpenVMS (I've got aD > spare OpenVMS machine that I'd like to use as a packet filter in a > firewall configuration)a  B Martin, how can you assume we know about Linux IPchains here ? :-)> Tell us what are IPchains on Linux and one will try to answer.   D. --  F   --------------------------------------------------------------------F Le Pachacamac COMPAQ/DEC/APPLE 34 av. G. Pompidou, 81500 Lavaur FranceD    http://www.pachacamac.com   *** Une passion pour l'excellence ***F Tl. : 05.63.58.58.63    Fax. : 05.63.58.58.33    GSM : 06.88.97.61.48  F >>> L'association des distributeurs APPLE : http://www.ada.mac-fan.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:08:29 +0100v; From: "Martin Bodenstedt" <Martin.Bodenstedt@Landtag-BW.de>o  Subject: Re: ipchains on OpenVMS) Message-ID: <917eat$iu6$1@news.BelWue.DE>e  C "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag $ news:3A3722E3.8039CC2E@Easynet.fr... > Martin Bodenstedt wrote: > >-
 > > Hi folks,a > >eD > > is there something similar to Ipchains (Linux) for OpenVMS (I've got aoF > > spare OpenVMS machine that I'd like to use as a packet filter in a > > firewall configuration)q >mD > Martin, how can you assume we know about Linux IPchains here ? :-)@ > Tell us what are IPchains on Linux and one will try to answer. >h > D.   Ooops,   sorry about that.   A IP chains is a tool to establish IP - packet filtering rules (fort< building a firewall, for example) using a simple text editor     -- Martin   www.annaverein.dehB Verein zur Untersttzung krebskranker Kinder durch Freizeiten e.V.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:06:00 -0500o* From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@Compaq.com>  Subject: Re: ipchains on OpenVMS* Message-ID: <3A37BA88.5884533C@Compaq.com>   Martin Bodenstedt wrote:C > IP chains is a tool to establish IP - packet filtering rules (fors> > building a firewall, for example) using a simple text editor  J I don't believe TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (Compaq's TCP/IP product) has H packet filtering, but there are third-party IP stacks you can check out.  J MultiNet and TCPware (www.process.com) seem to have some packet filtering G support, though I've never used them. On a non-commercial system under  6 the Hobbyist license, they can be used free of charge.      Joshua Cope    OpenVMS Engineering   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:25:55 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>9 Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!e+ Message-ID: <VA.000001d9.09f82e6c@sture.ch>y  1 In article <9162m3$1r0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  wrote:l > From: mukh_sue@my-deja.com > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmst; > Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS! % > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:43:49 GMT. >  > Congratulations, Paul! >h Thanks.w  G > You are right Sue.  If OpenVMS had to be rebooted everyday (more than E > once sometimes) twenty years ago, I do not think anybody would haveiH > accepted it.  Unfortunately time has proved that marketing strategy is' > more important than quality of an OS!  >eG Actually we did have rather more reboots than were comfortable, but we pK _were_ pushing the beast to its limits in the search for every last bit of m performance.  " EDT/RECOVER was my true friend :-)   > Sucharita Mukhopadhyay > Dean of IS > Lincoln Memorial Universityk8 > In article <912rpu$5r6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,: >   "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> wrote:	 > > Paul,t > >v* > > Congratulations!  What were you doing? > >n. > > A lot has changed in 20 years of computing > >nE > > Do you realise that 20 years ago people would not have accepted a  > system. > > that has to be re-booted on a daily basis. > >qI > > We still have some of the engineers that were here 20 years ago stille > > coding.0 > >  > > Best Regards,p > >t > > Suen > >o# > > Paul Sture wrote in message ...cJ > > >If I've got my dates right, on 8-DEC-1980, I logged into my first VMS > > >system. > > >___   ___7
 Paul Sture Switzerlandq   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:43:22 GMT  From: a_haines@my-deja.com9 Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!e) Message-ID: <917udo$gs2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   + In article <VA.000001cf.04e8dd9f@sture.ch>,1   paul@sture.ch wrote:F > In article <912rpu$5r6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Sue Skonetski > wrote:9 > > From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>a > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms2= > > Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!i) > > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:29:57 -0500s > >1	 > > Paul,w > >o* > > Congratulations!  What were you doing? > >dC > Thanks. I was working on an OLTP whose aim was to support a largem number< > of terminals on a 780. It also had data/file dictionaries, journalling,C > and later, transaction commit/rollback. Nice idea, never properlyr marketedC > IMHO. It was still available 5 years ago, but appears to have gotp buried > without trace nowadays.h  G What was the OLTP system called? From your description and the dates itg sounds remarkable like SYSTEL.   >r. > > A lot has changed in 20 years of computing > >aE > > Do you realise that 20 years ago people would not have accepted aS system. > > that has to be re-booted on a daily basis. > > B > And I was one of them! Prior to my introduction to VMS, I'd been	 running ahD > very successful PDP based truck parts sales ordering system, a key elementaC > of which was emergency telephone orders. In the late '70s we were  moreE > than 24 hours ahead of our competitors in response time - they were  stille+ > doing overnight batch runs on mainframes.l >rC > > We still have some of the engineers that were here 20 years agof stills > > coding.9 > >b# > > Paul Sture wrote in message ...oF > > >If I've got my dates right, on 8-DEC-1980, I logged into my first VMSe > > >system. > > >___ > > >Paul Sture  > > >Switzerland > > >a > >  >w > ___n > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandf >s >      Sent via Deja.comr http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:18:58 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c9 Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS! , Message-ID: <3A378550.F8AAA91C@videotron.ca>  N It is interesting that this topic came out. My first experience on VMS was dueM to a friend giving me an account at his university (where I was going, it wasAL an IBM mainframe with 8 meg of memory service 149 users (when it hit 150, we knew MUSIC would go down :-).l  J Anyhow, it was a VMS machine, and I was very impressed with all the onlineL help. I had gotten such a good image of VMS just from using it as a user viaM dialup on a 300 baud modem that 6 years later, this is what I got my employero to buy.s  L My first exposure to VMS must have been around 1981. Not quite 20 years ago.  N In 1983, working on VM/CMS system, one of my coworkers kept saying how archaicM IBM was because it had to spool files to be printed whereas good systems suchoJ as VMS would just send a pointer to your file, thus making everything much more efficient.   N All these small tidbits about VMS convinced me that it was the right system to buy at the time. (1987).   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:16:53 GMT0 From: mukh_sue@my-deja.com9 Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!-) Message-ID: <9180cf$ifc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>7  A You are right Rudolf about OpenVMS did not get the recognition it G deserves.  I have worked with other operating systems, but in my humblenA opinion, this is the most scalable, dependable and fault-tolerant > system I have ever worked with.  This is an example of how badC marketing strategy can hurt a quality software.  I thought that VMSdF will receive the attention it needs after Compaq took over, but I haveD to say that Compaq has disappointed me and a lot of other VMS users.A The service and support have improved under Compaq (which is verytA important), but I do not see any good marketing strategy which isu focused on OpenVMS.e   Sucharita (Sue) Mukhopadhyay Dean of IS/Tech, Lincoln Memorial University  USA 6 In article <200012120725.IAA29259@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>,)   Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:9 > Hello, >tG > I do work also 21 years with VMS/OpenVMS. Starting with V1.7, VMS wasa theeB > stablest system I have ever seen. But it did not get the Awards. OpenVMStG > is real good. They most problems I did see where the foreign productscB > (disk, tapes, network). I hope that OpenVMS will live additional years,? > so that we can celebrate the 50th birthday of VMS. Additionalh	 question:i6 > when will VMS become 25 years old (later then UNIX)? >  > Best regards Rudolf Wingertc >l >r     Sent via Deja.com. http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 16:10:20 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)9 Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!d- Message-ID: <91871c$c4$2@info.service.rug.nl>e  5 In article <3A378550.F8AAA91C@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: l  P > It is interesting that this topic came out. My first experience on VMS was due5 > to a friend giving me an account at his university    G This cannot happen with the new educational programme, which, whatever yH its benefits, is not suited to correcting the bad impression VMS has in 	 academia.   L > Anyhow, it was a VMS machine, and I was very impressed with all the onlineN > help. I had gotten such a good image of VMS just from using it as a user viaO > dialup on a 300 baud modem that 6 years later, this is what I got my employeri	 > to buy.i  E Yes.  This used to happen a lot.  There are still a lot of VMS shops cG which generate $$$ for Compaq as the result of these types of things.   @ Again, not something the new educational programme will support.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:17:04 -0500-5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>r3 Subject: Re: Mouse hang: AlphaStation 1000A VMS 6.2h, Message-ID: <918b00$82ae$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  K Hoff Hoffman wrote in message <915rri$que$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...r >o? >In article <915oth$6t1t$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"1% <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:r >e> >:When things eventually migrate to USB, then it will truly be hot-pluggable. > I >  The plug gets hot because of a current overflow on the USB, right? :-)s > J >  Seriously, USB will fix some problems.  I am also certain that USB willI >  also bring along its share of new and unusual problems and interesting * >  anomolies -- I've already seen a few... >r  L USB is an example of design by committee ;-)   It got some things right, andL some things really, truly wrong.  One thing that should work without problemJ is the ability to hot-plug the mouse and keyboard.  But there will be someL interesting problems in device persistance.  Since USB devices do not alwaysI provide serial numbers, and KB/Mice seldom have them on USB - plugging inEG more than 1 mouse/keyboard will require topology to identify a specific K mouse or keyboard.  So plugging in new devices, or moving them and changingSD the topology will cuase some less-than-amusing problems.  But simple- unplug/replace should work without a problem.i   _Fredy   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2000 21:20:12 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>3 Subject: Re: Mouse hang: AlphaStation 1000A VMS 6.2n0 Message-ID: <87hf48xxtf.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  f > In article <915oth$6t1t$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > N > :When things eventually migrate to USB, then it will truly be hot-pluggable.  = The SRM/console code folks will be delighted to hear that. :|T   > J >   The plug gets hot because of a current overflow on the USB, right? :-) > L >   Seriously, USB will fix some problems.  I am also certain that USB will K >   also bring along its share of new and unusual problems and interesting  + >   anomolies -- I've already seen a few...O  K Oh yeah... And all this misses the fundamental point. If the mouse/keyboardcF interface was on the video card, then you are all set for multi-server, configs. Plus the box is 'auto configuring'.   -- r< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:17:42 +0000 (UTC)e' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>e( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS  Education site, Message-ID: <9177qm$m3p$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  2 Bill Gunshannon <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  3 > You've never had to deal with lawyers, have you??    Nope.t   >  Before I could agree I > to anything like this in the name of the University it would have to behH > run by our lawyers.  Anything that is in any way ambiguous or open to J > interpretation would be rejected out of hand.  It's not what we think itK > says that matters, it is what COMPAQ's lawyers think it says.  And if youf- > can't tell what that is, you can't risk it.   I Thanks Bill. You are right. Before we get some kind of clear confirmation G that time sharing use is allowed in classroom environment with Edu Lic. ! program, we can't risk to use it..   /O.K.e   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:40:11 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb).' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Education sitel0 Message-ID: <917qnb$kiu$2@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  h In article <OF5B5643B9.A0612EFF-ON882569B3.007E5EF7@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:J >Alan: At the moment you have to get put on the list for posters, etc. Sue@ >Skonetski DOES accept third party nominations, and likes to get> >chequebook-level management on the list. Send her some names! >l >Shane >'E I did reply offline to Alan. I did subscribe to the openVMS times but.0 have not received any posters or flashing balls.@ We get practically nothing in terms of VMS promotional material.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >a >B >o: >Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> on 12/12/2000 03:38:36 AM >e >To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >cc: >s) >Subject:  Re: New OpenVMS Education site> >  >lF >On 11 Dec 2000 18:02:11 GMT, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) wrote: >i >iH >>Though in our case it's now mostly Student web pages, Student mail and >Oracle.F >>A little bit of comparative operating systems plus a few souls still
 >compiling >>programs.oI >>Computer science students tend to be more interested in Unix, Linux and  >>Microsoft. >a >David,l >f> >Out of curiousity have you had any direct contact from CompaqE >attempting to promote VMS? Preferably direct site visits. Do you geth@ >the flood of VMS posters and if so did you have to specifically >register for it?n >eC >I know in six years working at Abertay Uni we saw almost no directfD >promotion of VMS. Just wondered if this had changed. It's my belief? >that Compaq must approach remaining educational sites with anye/ >academic VMS systems and build confidence now.s >  >>David Webb >>VMS and Unix team leader >>CCSS >>Middlesex University >X >--  >Alan Greign >n >- >d >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:30:23 GMTa From: mukh_sue@my-deja.com' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Education sitei) Message-ID: <9184mh$mc5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  C We do not get any VMS promotional material at all!  Is there such amF thing?  The way VMS is treated, I am surprised that it is still alive!   Sucharita (Sue) Mukhopadhyay Dean of IS/Teche Lincoln Memorial UniversityK USAh0 In article <917qnb$kiu$2@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>,!   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: F > In article <OF5B5643B9.A0612EFF-ON882569B3.007E5EF7@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:0C > >Alan: At the moment you have to get put on the list for posters,u etc. SueB > >Skonetski DOES accept third party nominations, and likes to get@ > >chequebook-level management on the list. Send her some names! > >m > >Shane > >sG > I did reply offline to Alan. I did subscribe to the openVMS times buto2 > have not received any posters or flashing balls.B > We get practically nothing in terms of VMS promotional material. >: > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  > >- > >- > >-< > >Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> on 12/12/2000 03:38:36 AM > >a > >To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >cc: > >L+ > >Subject:  Re: New OpenVMS Education site* > >e > >iH > >On 11 Dec 2000 18:02:11 GMT, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) wrote: > >  > >8F > >>Though in our case it's now mostly Student web pages, Student mail andf
 > >Oracle.H > >>A little bit of comparative operating systems plus a few souls still > >compiling
 > >>programs.iG > >>Computer science students tend to be more interested in Unix, LinuxD and7 > >>Microsoft. > >.	 > >David,d > >o@ > >Out of curiousity have you had any direct contact from CompaqG > >attempting to promote VMS? Preferably direct site visits. Do you getfB > >the flood of VMS posters and if so did you have to specifically > >register for it?o > > E > >I know in six years working at Abertay Uni we saw almost no direct F > >promotion of VMS. Just wondered if this had changed. It's my beliefA > >that Compaq must approach remaining educational sites with anyd1 > >academic VMS systems and build confidence now.r > >u > >>David Webb > >>VMS and Unix team leader > >>CCSS > >>Middlesex University > >g > >--w
 > >Alan Greige > >n > >i > >t > >d >r     Sent via Deja.com. http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 16:18:12 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Education siteu6 Message-ID: <9187g4$ecq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F In article <9184mh$mc5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mukh_sue@my-deja.com writes:  9 :...We do not get any VMS promotional material at all!...o  L   Please sign up for the OpenVMS Times newsletter (via the OpenVMS website).  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:37:16 -0500'* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Education siten7 Message-ID: <1oPZ5.56417$%j3.716795@news6.giganews.com>g  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message00 news:9187g4$ecq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >uH > In article <9184mh$mc5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mukh_sue@my-deja.com writes: >0; > :...We do not get any VMS promotional material at all!...j >oD >   Please sign up for the OpenVMS Times newsletter (via the OpenVMS	 website).:  C Hmmm.... I'm signed up for it & still don't get any VMS promotional  literature.   C And that's even though I get tons of OTHER Compaq marketing related.	 materialsSL every month (Not sure which Compaq "program" I  (or my company) am a part ofL (ASE, CSA, Reseller, etc) gets me the MOST Compaq literature but almost none of it is related to VMS.   D (We did manage to get a few VMS related item to give out at a recent
 conferenceK for our POISE (A VMS only Student Information Management System) user groups. but that's been the exception, not the rule. )   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:42:43 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>i Subject: Re: PCL to HTML) Message-ID: <3A373683.42806AE3@gtech.com>.   Dave Pampreen wrote:M > Does anyone know how to convert a PCL document to HTML?    I have a quite aeG > few of these I'd like to convert.  I don't mind if I go into multipleoJ > conversions (ie. PCL to X, X to HTML)   I  just need something reliable.   PCL ?i   The HP printer language ?o  ! I would consider that impossible.   E You may be able to convert PCL to a graphics format like GIF or JPEG, % but I am not aware of any converters..   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:42:04 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l Subject: Re: PCL to HTML+ Message-ID: <3A37607D.5830F90@videotron.ca>2   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:G > You may be able to convert PCL to a graphics format like GIF or JPEG,e' > but I am not aware of any converters.   J DCPS can convert PCL to Postcript. Ghostscript can convert from postscrip= t to PDF, TIFF etc etc.  H The trick is to find a way to get DCPS to send its output to ghostscript instead of a printer...o   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:19:00 +0000 (UTC)t' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> * Subject: Re: Perceived VMS Marketing issue, Message-ID: <917iek$p56$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:L  K > I understand David's comment on this, but it has to be tempered with someh% > understanding of Compaq's position.,M > Many of the folks here in the comp.os.vms group and on the InfoVAX list aredI > under the impression that Compaq is just waiting for the moment to chopiK > OpenVMS from its portfolio.  It isn't.  Commitment to OpenVMS from withindA > Compaq and from outside is excellent and is on an upward trend.   J > The fact that so many people here are worried or are listening to MessrsK > Harrison and Todd with their tales of woe suggest that the installed base-L > needs convincing that Compaq are 110% behind the continued enhancement andL > support of VMS.  This is, as I see it, where Compaq are presently heading.L > Part of the programme (notably the early part) has to be to make sure thatJ > the installed base stays with the product rather than walking off to the > competition.  G Walking off is very understandable, because VMS has become rare, exotic 7 OS. Concentrating to the niche will not help very long.r  L > Promotion of VMS in the entire industry would be brilliant, but we must beF > pragmatic.  Trying to get the whole industry to move from their UnixG > systems and Windows systems and whatever else to VMS would be a great   F and hopeless, but VMS should be an alternative to choose. It's not nowF because Compaq seems to even deny, that there exists VMS for low end. 9 So it's not offered as all-purpose computing alternative.i  K > thing, but there are functions that nothing else but VMS is right for andg8 > there are those things that VMS is not best suited to.  J VMS is exceptional, because it's good for every place. Compaq doesn't seem to understand that potential.r  M > Let's help Compaq get the confidence of the installed base back to where it4J > should be and then let's help them move forward, rather than killing VMS- > marketing and killing VMS as a consequence.  > Steve.  > One hint to Compaq (if watching this): Publishing web files inI VMS-readable (standard) format would give more credibility. Now there area< plenty of VMS-related files in PDF or even Word format. :-(   E Would it cost anything to admit that there could be even low cost VMSM
 computers.F By the way, I have it now. I have Alpha PC164 main board on table withH low cost scsi and VT320 terminal. All hw maybe US$100 used, needs decentI box for ~$50. Software is free of cost, because of new Edu program, thanx 4 to Compaq, though the licences could be more usable.   regardsg           Osmo Kujalae   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:54:57 GMT0$ From: Dave Barlow <uzko@my-deja.com>5 Subject: Re: Problems installing MQ Series on VMS 6.2n) Message-ID: <917rj0$ego$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  ) In article <90icbn$mcm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,S'   Dave Barlow <uzko@my-deja.com> wrote:s  G > We have MQ Series V2.2 running on a number of VAXen under VMS 6.2. WetG > tried restarting the MQ queue manager on a developement node but thisv   Folks   B Thanks for the may good responses to my query. Time pressures haveE hindered me responding until now. Long and short of it, if you do notdB delete ALL the base MQ Series files then re-installing MQ fails itE apears. I thought I had deleted everything but there where some filesp5 remaining in sys$help and sys$examples that I missed.o  E Unfortunately the local MQ Series support/developers where unhelpful,uD VMS is an alien technology to them, so re-installing was the easiest route.   Dave Barlow<     Sent via Deja.comi http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 13:33:46 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: Problems installing MQ Series on VMS 6.2 6 Message-ID: <917trq$c6b$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  P In article <917rj0$ego$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Dave Barlow <uzko@my-deja.com> writes:  * :...[delete everything, then reinstall]...  F :Unfortunately the local MQ Series support/developers where unhelpful,E :VMS is an alien technology to them, so re-installing was the easiestt :route.R  D   If you have contact again and the the IBM MQseries folks are stillE   stuck on this problem, I can likely provide at least some baseline  ,   help putting together a PCSI installation.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:14:14 +0100i0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>! Subject: Re: Sort for DIR command * Message-ID: <3A3721C7.4D7470DD@Easynet.fr>   Ed Albert wrote: > F > Anyone done a DCL to do sorted directories in VMS?  Would like to beG > able to sort by various properties, like date/time, owner, extension, H > etc.  Thought that I would check here before I began doing my own ....   To sort by size:  F $ pipe dire_/col=1/not/noh/siz=all ! sort/key=(pos:x,size:y) sys$input   or by owner:  D $ pipe dire_/col=1/not/noh/owner ! sort/key=(pos:x,size:y) sys$input   (not tested)   D. -- SF   --------------------------------------------------------------------F Le Pachacamac COMPAQ/DEC/APPLE 34 av. G. Pompidou, 81500 Lavaur FranceD    http://www.pachacamac.com   *** Une passion pour l'excellence ***F Tl. : 05.63.58.58.63    Fax. : 05.63.58.58.33    GSM : 06.88.97.61.48  F >>> L'association des distributeurs APPLE : http://www.ada.mac-fan.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:18:53 +00000) From: Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie>9! Subject: start/que/search problemeL Message-ID: <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB011E32@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>   All,  B We have a DCL menu facility for our clients, to restart printing a: report from a string, using the START/QUE/SEARCH commands.  H This was working fine, until recently we have moved our clients to Alpha? DS10, running VMS 7.2-1.  The print queue is a LAT print queue.   > When the users now use this facility, it puts the queue into aH "RESUMING" state, and brings the box to a grinding halt.  Usually beforeH this happens, we reboot the box, this also clears the state of the print queue.  B Is there a patch fix or bug fix for this problem, or is it a known problem with a work around.????e   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:51:39 +0100 (MET)B& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster6 Message-ID: <200012130747.IAA05298@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Keith Parris wrotes:   >>>cF Compaq bought Digital in 1998.  Some significant new developments that have sprung up since then:B  o  Shadowing Mini-Copy (to make it practical to use 3rd shadowset members for snapshot backups)a  o  eXtended File Cache+0  o  Fast_Path support for SCSI and Fibre Channel"  o  DECram in Galaxy shared memory7  o  Significant locking performance improvements in RMSyE  o  Free new performance data collector to be shipped with VMS, and a 5 new (documented) performance API (cf. $GETSPI) in VMSn  o  Free RTR with VMS.B  o  Complete turnaround in UCX code quality, features, and supportG  o  Much more support for Unixy stuff, in addition to DII/COE: Kerberose V5, Apache, Mozilla, JavaT:  o  SDA extensions for tracing lock requests and spinlocks  2 Stuff that is coming that is farther out than 7.3:  o  QIO Server  o  Fast_Path for LANs;  o  Fast_Path for Galaxy Shared Memory Cluster Interconnect 8  o  Lock Manager data structures in Galaxy Shared Memory <<<a  L Right, but the platform (Alpha) is a little bit behind the state of the art.I Nothing of the Alpha roadmap for the year 2000 have been realized (>=1GhzeH buyable). What did Digital say, when they sold the fabric: faster AlphasG with slower design in a shorter time. Why should Intel do that? What we H see, is faster Pentium (1.7Ghz) in a smaller design (13micro). What will8 you have from the best OS, if the platform is sooo slow?   Best regards Rudolf Wingert-   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:27:02 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)j Subject: Re: Sun Cluster0 Message-ID: <917pum$kiu$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  d In article <915pb5$6t74$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:  >Alan Greig wrote in message ... >>C >>Where I see the problem Fred is perhaps not with what the VMS andtD >>Alpha teams are actually doing but how Compaq corporate publicizes> >>this. For example we are being flooded with red Compaq tubesG >>containing posters at a rate of around one per person per week. WhileQH >>this is much better than previous VMS publicity even to VMS sites (andG >>the tubes make great Jedi light sabres) there appears to have been noeE >>change in general Compaq advertising and behaviour of Compaq sales.m8 >>Its still all NT with occasional references to Tru-64. >> >  >-I >IHMO it is unlikely that you will see a lot of VMS-specific general ad's2I >(like TV ads), but you may see VMS as part of overall AlphaServer stuff.sH >Most VMS stuff is targeted to specific markets, and specific customers. >F  # And there you have the problem !!!!SM Targeting advertising just at specific markets just slows down the decline in + those markets - it doesn't lead to growth. E  O You need advertisements stressing it's security , stability and scalability for  all sorts of applications ) - As a backend server to your web serversA - As a web server system etcn  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University g   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2000 09:29:50 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)y Subject: Re: Sun Cluster+ Message-ID: <ydjYT94dZis2@eisner.decus.org>   R In article <916lc2$2cm$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: > L > <kparris@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:915j4t$jcc$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  J >> Richie Lary certainly comes to mind here; he has been very prominent inC >> the storage field in general and most recently in SANs.  He justsH >> received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the I/O Technologies Forum@ >> (see http://www.sresearch.com/itf/itf_2000/award/awards.htm). > J > Since I was saddened that prior commitments made it impossible to attendJ > Richie's going-away party a few months ago, I'm not sure he's a suitableJ > candidate to put forward any more - unless you also want to include Dave! > Cutler, Gordon Bell, KO, et al.g  H "A few months ago" would have been before his recent LA DECUS talk givenF under Compaq auspices.  He may be somewhat independent now, but it wasH clear to me there was still a connection between Richie Lary and Compaq.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:08:16 +0000d0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster* Message-ID: <3A379EF0.72ACA209@uk.sun.com>   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:r > ? > "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in messageK& > news:3A34A6D0.744C8B50@uk.sun.com... > A > > Taken a beating, how quaint and what a wonderfull distortion.B > I > Distortion? Not quite. It seems to happen to you quite regularly aroundo > here.0 > E > > A better description of the "beating" that I have supposedly been.
 > > subjectedsK > > to would would be that I have been savaged by a sheep or even a herd of 
 > > sheep. > K > Make up your (feeble) mind, Andrew. In your previous paragraph, you implyAM > that allegations as to your "beating" are incorrect, yet in this paragraph, L > you admit that you've been "savaged." What I don't understand, however, isM > why Sun customers (the "sheep") would want to beat up on you, unless you'vevK > managed to upset them also with your wild claims about the reliability of0 > Sun's products.  >       B People of a UK extraction will recognise the quote. It was used to describe@ the effect of being beaten up in a political sense by Lord Howe.  H In case you hadn't worked it out being savaged by a sheep is not exactly aeC scary of even life threatening experience. And you called me feeblep minded? opps I guess another OpenVMS boosters foot just got blown away.a   regardso Andrew Harrisonu Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Dec 2000 01:14:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster0 Message-ID: <871yvcxmzn.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ( Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  N > Right, but the platform (Alpha) is a little bit behind the state of the art.  @ Oh, it is so behind that an API 833MHz UP2000 is the king og the spec heap at the moment.  K > Nothing of the Alpha roadmap for the year 2000 have been realized (>=1GhzuJ > buyable). What did Digital say, when they sold the fabric: faster AlphasI > with slower design in a shorter time. Why should Intel do that? What weeJ > see, is faster Pentium (1.7Ghz) in a smaller design (13micro). What will: > you have from the best OS, if the platform is sooo slow?  ) So how many 1.7G Intels do you have? Any?G  ; EVERYONE is behind there planned time frames. Mostly due to:= fab plants being harder to get sorted I suspect. Also, expectl; things to hit a wall for a while soon. No one has materialsj> for <120nm optics, and production of CaF for the current 'new' steppers is just getting going.o  8 We should expect to at least HEAR about the 1250M alphas soon. Well, 'RSN'!   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 17:35:37 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)3 Subject: Re: Sun Cluster0 Message-ID: <918c19$ps2$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  ] In article <3A379EF0.72ACA209@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:m >"Mark E. Levy" wrote: >> e@ >> "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message' >> news:3A34A6D0.744C8B50@uk.sun.com...  >> rC >People of a UK extraction will recognise the quote. It was used to.	 >describe A >the effect of being beaten up in a political sense by Lord Howe.n >hI >In case you hadn't worked it out being savaged by a sheep is not exactly  >aD >scary of even life threatening experience. And you called me feeble >minded @ >opps I guess another OpenVMS boosters foot just got blown away. >e  K As I recall the savaging of that particular sheep (Lord Howe) precipitated   Mrs Thatcher's downfall.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:38:30 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>0 Subject: Re: Sun Cluster, Message-ID: <918c88$84ft$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  : Bill Todd wrote in message <916l1a$2c2$1@pyrite.mv.net>... >AJ >And I still fail to understand how this differs from exactly what I said:I >it was indeed planned earlier, and Compaq simply didn't kill it.  UnlesseH >you're saying that the scope of Galaxy *expanded* significantly *after*2 >Compaq took over, which would be to their credit. >     G Let me try and generalize this.  Software development and delivery is aeJ continuous process.  We don't come up with an idea, flesh it out, plan it,J and deliver it in a day.  A small project might take a few months, a large project several years.  I Galaxy is simply the end product of an idea that was spawned when we were L first told about Wildfire and future hardware directions.  Many new featuresJ you see, or we list, were probably first considered years ago, but did not6 rise to the top of the priority stack for a long time.  I The thing to remember is that nothing has changed here in terms of how wetI come up with, and finally deliver new features.  Compaq has not curtailedtB anything.  Most new features are the direct result of new hardwareF capabilities, or customer requirements.  Significant work was done forG Wildfire to handle NUMA, and ongoing work will continue for it, and for I future NUMA-like systems.  QIO server is one of those projects that we've K wanted to do for years, but will finally happen.  Fibre channel development = is all new, and driven by hardware and customer requirements.i  K On something I am familiar with, VMS graphics were effectively killed underaL Digital.  Under Compaq, VMS was allowed to restart a graphics group, and areL now a key player with UNIX and the platforms groups.  It's taken time to getK it staffed back up and moving forward, but its happening.  The P300/350 are I the fastest graphics VMS has ever had, and are the same graphics as Tru64sI has.  It will be the same for all future graphics - they will come out oneJ VMS and Tru64 at the same time (specific OS-specific schedule requirements can vary it slightly).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:12:31 +0200t% From: Gabriel Sterk <gabi@aipm.co.il> ' Subject: Re: Supervisor Series on Alphaa2 Message-ID: <001701c064d4$0f513b00$2c46bf10@manai>  B WATCH from Advanced Systems Concepts (ASCI) is worth checking out.  5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/partners/asci/index.htmo   Regards,
 Gabriel Sterks Sys. admin., AIPM Hadera, IL     -----Original Message-----@ =46rom: Michel Herrscher Consultant [mailto:michel@herrscher.fr]) Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:45 PMd To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms# Subject: Supervisor Series on Alpha      Hello VMS community,   [ fernch version follows],  F I am moving (at last) from my Microvax 3100/95 (VMS 7.1) to an Alpha = DS10 (VMS 7.2-1 and patches...)b  F I got all the software I used on the VAX on to the ALPHA except one I=  got =66romF DECUS a long time ago whose name is Supervisor. It allows me to watch=  and; interact with all my VTxxx or telnet emulators of my users.n  5  I am looking for the Alpha version or a replacement.n Thanks for your help.e   -- Michel HERRSCHER Consultanth mhc@herrscher.fr9 T=E9l : +33 (0)450 870 912       Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741s Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:00:29 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ' Subject: Re: Supervisor Series on Alphao0 Message-ID: <009F4852.75835F67@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <001701c064d4$0f513b00$2c46bf10@manai>, Gabriel Sterk <gabi@aipm.co.il> writes:C >WATCH from Advanced Systems Concepts (ASCI) is worth checking out.n > 6 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/partners/asci/index.htm  
 Like I said,    / http://www.networkingdynamics.com/peeknspy2.htm,     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            -O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:08:49 -050095 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>1 Subject: Re: VMS "froze", Message-ID: <918a7l$83lm$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  K The HALT button does not pull some signal that causes the CPU to "halt", itrJ generates a IPL31 interrupt handled by the console firmware.  If somethingK is in a IPL31 loop, or the console firmware is corrupt, then HALT will haveeB no effect.  The system will appear "hung" and a reset is required.  D In the future, we are addressing this on larger systems by having anJ external microprocessor that handles system management functions.  You canG always get to this, regardless of the state of the systems.  Using this G interface you will then be able to cause specific things to happen to a I system regardless of the systems state.  This will provide us with better. ways to diagnose problems.    # Warren Spencer wrote in message ... 1 >simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net (Tom Simpson) wrote ind9 ><63WX5.6399$U6.87216@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>:M >e= >>So what software has priority over the OCP HALT button?????m >> >>-Tom >>< >>"Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message+ >>news:t28334oe5k2m82@news.supernews.com...n >>> Hi,l >>> E >>> You've said that the system appears to be frozen, but you haven't, >>> ... snip...n >c- >I'm sorry, I don't understand your question.s >  >wse >  >--f4 ><< What if there were no hypothetical questions? >> >e >Warren Spencern >Senior Software Engineer  >The Associated Pressa >i@ >** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 18:22:43 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: VMS "froze"6 Message-ID: <918epj$fql$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  d In article <918a7l$83lm$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:L :The HALT button does not pull some signal that causes the CPU to "halt", itK :generates a IPL31 interrupt handled by the console firmware.  If somethingtL :is in a IPL31 loop, or the console firmware is corrupt, then HALT will haveC :no effect.  The system will appear "hung" and a reset is required.s  G   In my experience, the halt button was not always a reliable means of pG   halting a MicroVAX Q-bus (or certain VAX Unibus systems, depending ons<   the particular bus adapter) undergoing a bus hang, either.  E :In the future, we are addressing this on larger systems by having anPD :external microprocessor that handles system management functions...  J   Analogous to the Pro-based (Nautilus) or MicroVAX-based (PolarStar) VAX G   console that was used on the VAX 88xx series systems, in some ways...i  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.695 ************************11E32@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>   All,  B We have a 