1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 14 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 696       Contents:A Re: Ages of OSs was: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS! $ Alpha (RIP) Routing Network Question( RE: Alpha (RIP) Routing Network Question ALTPRI in stead of SETPRI  RE: ALTPRI in stead of SETPRI 5 Re: DBL files on VMS (can I access them via windows?)  Re: DCPS flag page format  RE: Help on OpenVms 7.1  Re: Help on OpenVms 7.1  Re: INITIALIZE/MAXIMUM_FILES Re: INITIALIZE/MAXIMUM_FILES Logging OPCOM messages* Re: Mouse hang: AlphaStation 1000A VMS 6.2 Re: New OpenVMS  Education site  RE: New OpenVMS Education site Re: New OpenVMS Education site Re: New OpenVMS Education site Re: New OpenVMS Education site Re: New OpenVMS Education site RE: New OpenVMS Education site OpenVMS Hobbyist TCP/IP Help  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist TCP/IP Help  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist TCP/IP Help  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist TCP/IP Help Re: PCL to HTML : Re: smbclient vms Openvms ctlsmb symbiont printer solution Re: Sort for DIR command Re: Sort for DIR command RE: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  RE: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Supervisor Series on Alpha Re: Supervisor Series on Alpha Re: Supervisor Series on Alpha Re: Supervisor Series on Alpha Re: Supervisor Series on Alpha, Re: Two NEW SKC Postings at www.acersoft.com Virtual I/O Cache and Oracle Re: VMS "froze"  Re: VMS "froze"   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:18:57 GMT " From: falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk)J Subject: Re: Ages of OSs was: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!2 Message-ID: <90097C9F8falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>  * david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) wrote in& <917s0a$l8h$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>:   @ >In article <87k895xte4.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi! ><prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  * >>Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes: >>
 >>> Hello, >>> I >>> I do work also 21 years with VMS/OpenVMS. Starting with V1.7, VMS was H >>> the stablest system I have ever seen. But it did not get the Awards.H >>> OpenVMS is real good. They most problems I did see where the foreignB >>> products (disk, tapes, network). I hope that OpenVMS will liveH >>> additional years, so that we can celebrate the 50th birthday of VMS.F >>> Additional question: when will VMS become 25 years old (later then >>> UNIX)?   >>E >>Well, if you use the conservative 78 date, just over 2 years to go. ; >>Unix, is alas, 'over the hill'. Its 30th was 3 years ago.  >> >>--   >  >Paul, > @ >I think your pushing the Genesis of Unix back a little too far. > E >I believe Unix was born late 1969 early 1970 after the demise of the  >Multics project in 1968/1969.< >The first release outside of AT&T was probably around 1972.  G I used it at U of Alberta in September 1974.  This has a claim to being 6 one of the first (possibly _the_ first) non-AT&T site.  A >"... the number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more ; >expected ..." - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972  > G >(From http://www.unix-systems.org/what_is_unix/history_timeline.html )  > G >It was rewritten in C in 1973 and then widely released to Universities 
 >in 1975.   @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:35:11 GMT  From: ryanfleming@my-deja.com - Subject: Alpha (RIP) Routing Network Question ) Message-ID: <918j1g$422$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   B   I am having some difficulties reaching a computer on an isolated network....   E I have two Alphas that have two NIC cards total (that's four in all).   B One of the cards is connected a PLC only network that is BNC, wich) happens to have a VAX running ELN for OS. E Both the alphas run through a special PLC interface and also this ELN ' vax, the terminators are on the Alphas.   G The oher two card are connected to our plant LAN, which also happens to C have a PC involved.  This network is RJ45 network.  There are a few ' switches between the PC and the Alphas.   D I have added a.b.c.15 and a.b.c.16 as additional gateways on the PC.G I have added a route on the PC stating 200.200.200.0 Mask 255.255.255.0  a.b.c.15G                                    and 200.200.200.0 Mask 255.255.255.0  a.b.c.16  D On the Alphas I can UCX Ping all 200.200.200.X addresses, plus I can! telnet into applicable computers. E On the PC I can ping 200.200.200.15,16,22,23.  However I can not ping  200.200.200.20  : Is the problem maybe the mask?  I am not sure the mask forB 200.200.200.20, but I know the other four addresses use this mask.  G Anyhow below is my attempt to visually describe my setup, o is a BNC T- ! connector, T is a BNC terminator. C The solid Lines _____x represent a twisted pair network cable going  into a switch.                             ELN #                  ------------------ #                  | 200.200.200.20 | #                  ------------------                           o                     -----------                      |         |                      |         | *         PLC         |         |        PLC2  ------------------ |         | ------------------2  | 200.200.200.22 |oo         oo| 200.200.200.23 |2  ------------------ |         | ------------------                     |         |                      |         |                      |         | 0    (200.200.200.15) T         T (200.200.200.16)!                   -----     ----- 8                   | A |     | A |                  -----8                   | L |     | L |                  | PC|B                   | P |     | P |                  |   | a.b.c.2418                   | H |     | H |                  |   |=      a.b.c.15     | A |     | A |     a.b.c.16     |   |____x 9              x____|   |     |   |____x            ------- !                   |   |     |   | "                  -------   -------      Ryan      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:57:40 -0500 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> 1 Subject: RE: Alpha (RIP) Routing Network Question D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD91B@berry.mvpsi.com>  H I think the problem is that the ELN system doesn't know the route to theK a.b.c.X network.  What's the default route on the ELN system?  Is should be  200.200.200.15 (or 16).    > -----Original Message-----@ > From: ryanfleming@my-deja.com [mailto:ryanfleming@my-deja.com], > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:35 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Alpha (RIP) Routing Network Question  >  > D >   I am having some difficulties reaching a computer on an isolated
 > network....  > G > I have two Alphas that have two NIC cards total (that's four in all).  > D > One of the cards is connected a PLC only network that is BNC, wich+ > happens to have a VAX running ELN for OS. G > Both the alphas run through a special PLC interface and also this ELN ) > vax, the terminators are on the Alphas.  > ? > The oher two card are connected to our plant LAN, which also   > happens toE > have a PC involved.  This network is RJ45 network.  There are a few ) > switches between the PC and the Alphas.  > F > I have added a.b.c.15 and a.b.c.16 as additional gateways on the PC.< > I have added a route on the PC stating 200.200.200.0 Mask  > 255.255.255.0 
 > a.b.c.15< >                                    and 200.200.200.0 Mask  > 255.255.255.0 
 > a.b.c.16 > F > On the Alphas I can UCX Ping all 200.200.200.X addresses, plus I can# > telnet into applicable computers. G > On the PC I can ping 200.200.200.15,16,22,23.  However I can not ping  > 200.200.200.20 > < > Is the problem maybe the mask?  I am not sure the mask forD > 200.200.200.20, but I know the other four addresses use this mask. > > > Anyhow below is my attempt to visually describe my setup, o 
 > is a BNC T- # > connector, T is a BNC terminator. E > The solid Lines _____x represent a twisted pair network cable going  > into a switch. >  >  >                         ELN % >                  ------------------ % >                  | 200.200.200.20 | % >                  ------------------  >                          o! >                     ----------- ! >                     |         | ! >                     |         | , >         PLC         |         |        PLC4 >  ------------------ |         | ------------------4 >  | 200.200.200.22 |oo         oo| 200.200.200.23 |4 >  ------------------ |         | ------------------! >                     |         | ! >                     |         | ! >                     |         | 2 >    (200.200.200.15) T         T (200.200.200.16)# >                   -----     ----- : >                   | A |     | A |                  -----: >                   | L |     | L |                  | PC|D >                   | P |     | P |                  |   | a.b.c.241: >                   | H |     | H |                  |   |? >      a.b.c.15     | A |     | A |     a.b.c.16     |   |____x ; >              x____|   |     |   |____x            ------- # >                   |   |     |   | $ >                  -------   ------- > 	 >    Ryan  >  >  > Sent via Deja.com  > http://www.deja.com/ >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:48:48 +0100   From: Cor Mom <cor.mom@momss.nl>" Subject: ALTPRI in stead of SETPRI( Message-ID: <3A37D2A0.845FDAB2@momss.nl>   Hi,   H Can anybody tell be in which version of OpenVMS Alpha and VAX the SETPRI privilege was obsolete?    Thanks,    Cor Mom    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:54:15 -0800  From: IOlson@dairyworld.com & Subject: RE: ALTPRI in stead of SETPRIM Message-ID: <763C579A82F7D3118EE400D0B74723D10166B691@exchsrv.dairyworld.com>   9 I've got a manual from V4.4 which doesn't mention SETPRI. & And neither does my current set (7.1).+ Any chance you're confusing it with SETPRV?   
 Ingemar Olson  Dairyworld FOODS     -----Original Message-----' From: Cor Mom [mailto:cor.mom@momss.nl]  Sent: December 13, 2000 11:49  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " Subject: ALTPRI in stead of SETPRI     Hi,   H Can anybody tell be in which version of OpenVMS Alpha and VAX the SETPRI privilege was obsolete?    Thanks,    Cor Mom    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:30:29 -0500   From: kuff@tessco.com (Hal Kuff)> Subject: Re: DBL files on VMS (can I access them via windows?)O Message-ID: <55926DA8F7B010C6.8B37CCF5A297C067.66F9AD57E038E9DA@lp.airnews.net>   6 In article <9188pp$el8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,$ hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:  C > In article <5VMZ5.5080$Sl.260823@iad-read.news.verio.net>, "Dave" ) <!delete!davekone@savalfoods.com> writes: / > :This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  > " >   Please turn off MIME.  Thanks! > J > :Does anyone know ofa program that will allow a Windows OS to directly =K > :read and write to .dbl files on a Alpha VMS computer?  The programs on = H > :VMS were writting in Synergy and use .ddf file that I think are RMS = > :files.  VMS ver 7.1 > I >   Donno specifically about Dibol nor about what data Dibol or the local I >   application might keep in the file(s), but ODBC and JDBC servers for  G >   OpenVMS are available, and that permit clients to access RMS files. : >   (See the OpenVMS FAQ for some additional information.) > G >   Alternatively, a CGI interface into these files -- using Dibol code H >   on the OpenVMS host -- would not be particularly difficult.  AnotherF >   approach would involve adding a local COM or IP-level protocol (or4 >   server) to allow access to the application data. > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  K Synergex, the folks who bring you DBL have a complete solution/gateway.....    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:34:35 -0500 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>" Subject: Re: DCPS flag page format+ Message-ID: <3A37CF4B.779E83C9@rtfmcsi.com>    Paul Anderson wrote:  D > In article <3A36A959.4B7E5AAD@rtfmcsi.com>, ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com > wrote: >  >   
 ...snip...   > D > Thank you for your comments.  It made me realize that changing the< > format of the node and username is the tip of the iceburg. >  > Paul >  > -- >  Paul Anderson >   OpenVMS Engineering  >   Compaq Computer Corporation   L Hey, I think that it is good when I get the opportunity to feed my wish listK directly to somebody in engineering  who can at least evaluate the requests L and route them appropriately from the inside.  Many times I have encounteredI solicitations for product enhancement ideas/requests from various sales & K product development folks at different companies and I always feel like the H requests fall on either deaf ears or upon uncomprehending minds.  I likeI dealing with the software engineering folks since they at least know what 2 I'm talking about and why the request my be valid.     -- Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager7                                   8007740718@skytel.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:51:04 -0800  From: IOlson@dairyworld.com   Subject: RE: Help on OpenVms 7.1M Message-ID: <763C579A82F7D3118EE400D0B74723D10166B68E@exchsrv.dairyworld.com>   J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0653E.05F6C510  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"   F I believe the solution will depend on the format of the printer files.H Some files have explicit carriage controls embedded in the data (FF, eg)K [record attributes: carriage return, carriage control], whereas others have A the carriage controls in each record header [vfc, 2-byte header]. K In our case, the 1st type is typically generated by report writers, whereas , the 2nd type is generated by Cobol programs.   E I have 2 programs to convert each of these to a 'standard' format for 5 sending out to our fiche contractor (well, CD's now). I The 1st is a Cobol program, and the 2nd is in Macro (none of the standard 5 languages seem able to deal with the record headers). E There is also some DCL to determine which one is appropriate, pad the  records to 133, etc.   ! I can send you these if you wish. F They will undoubtedly need some tailoring, however, since the carriageI controls are specific to our fiche contractor (used to be NCR) and aren't  quite the 'normal' standard. Let me know if you want them.     Ingemar Olson  Dairyworld FOODS    -----Original Message-----4 From: Jean Louis PELINQ [mailto:jl.pelinq@orsid.com] Sent: December 13, 2000 10:53  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Help on OpenVms 7.1     Bonsoir de MARSEILLE.    I I need to extract from the spool printer a file with its carriage control J codes (Standard ASA; 0,space,-,+ and 1 to C) for giving the resulting file to a printing compagny.  Please help me to do that.    Sincerally yours.     Jean Louis PELINQ         ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0653E.05F6C510  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">    5 <META content="MSHTML 5.00.3013.2600" name=GENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY bgColor=#ffffff>L <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=830303619-13122000>I > believe the solution will depend on the format of the printer  files.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>O <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=830303619-13122000>Some  L files have explicit carriage controls embedded in the data (FF, eg) [record Q attributes: carriage return, carriage control], whereas others have the carriage gH controls in each record header [vfc, 2-byte header].</SPAN></FONT></DIV>Q <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=830303619-13122000>In our eM case, the 1st type is typically generated by report writers, whereas the 2nd  8 type is generated by Cobol programs.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>1 <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN L3 class=830303619-13122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>iQ <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=830303619-13122000>I have  N 2 programs to convert each of these to a 'standard' format for sending out to : our fiche contractor (well, CD's now).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>N <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=830303619-13122000>The P 1st is a Cobol program, and the 2nd is in Macro (none of the standard languages ? seem able to deal with the record headers).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>nP <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=830303619-13122000>There P is also some DCL to determine which one is appropriate, pad the records to 133,  etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>1 <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN e3 class=830303619-13122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>EP <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=830303619-13122000>I can / send you these if you wish.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>-O <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=830303619-13122000>They  O will undoubtedly need some tailoring, however, since the carriage controls are  P specific to our fiche contractor (used to be NCR) and aren't quite the 'normal'  standard.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>.Q <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=830303619-13122000>Let me s* know if you want them.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>1 <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN i3 class=830303619-13122000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>o1 <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN  L class=830303619-13122000></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">Ingemar ( Olson</FONT> <BR><B><FONT color=#ff0000 : face="Times New Roman">Dairy</FONT><I><FONT color=#0000ff J face="Times New Roman">world</FONT></I><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>  FOODS</FONT></B></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> E <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma  D size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jean Louis PELINQ ? [mailto:jl.pelinq@orsid.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> December 13, 2000 0M 10:53<BR><B>To:</B> Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Help on OpenVms e 7.1<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>? <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bonsoir de MARSEILLE.</FONT></DIV> 0 <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>M <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I need to extract from the spool printer a file UK with its carriage control codes (Standard ASA; 0,space,-,+ and 1 to C) for (> giving the resulting file to a printing compagny.</FONT></DIV>D <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please help me to do that.</FONT></DIV>0 <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>; <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sincerally yours.</FONT></DIV> 0 <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>; <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jean Louis PELINQ</FONT></DIV>-0 <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>  ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0653E.05F6C510--    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 20:40:09 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: Help on OpenVms 7.16 Message-ID: <918mr9$hva$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  c In article <000a01c06535$fb6bec40$0111a8c0@newjlp>, Jean Louis PELINQ <jl.pelinq@orsid.com> writes:)6 :C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.     Nicht sprechen MIME, ja?  D :I need to extract from the spool printer a file with its carriage =F :control codes (Standard ASA; 0,space,-,+ and 1 to C) for giving the =' :resulting file to a printing compagny.y  H   If I understand the question, you wish to have a print job "print" to G   a file?  (Though the use of the term "spool" implies that this is nottD   using the queue manager, but involves a file copied directly to anD   output device.)  In other words, you have an application that usesE   PRINT or the $sndjbc system service, and you wish to acquire a copyhE   of the submitted file.  If so, there are custom print symbionts for F   this purpose -- most refer to a "print to file" capability.  I will F   assume you have considered capturing the file before it is printed, *   and have found that approach infeasible.    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:06:27 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>% Subject: Re: INITIALIZE/MAXIMUM_FILES ) Message-ID: <918vde$fh7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  ) In article <9185h8$n24$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, '   Dave Barlow <uzko@my-deja.com> wrote:x+ > In article <911jft$f5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, / >   Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> wrote:  > G > > Also, you don't *need* the initial value of /HEADERS. Just estimate  > the G > > largest number of file headers you'll ever need on that disk. Also, E > > according to what COMPAQ told me at my last job, the algoritm for E > > extension of INDEXF.SYS has been greatly improved. So even if you-G > > grossly understimate the value for /HEADERS, you should stay out of0F > > trouble, provided your version of VMS is recent enough or you have# > > applied the relevant patch kit.  > 7 > Does anyone have any specific details on this change?   A I was running VMS 5.5-2. I was having a problem with a disk whose-C INDEXF.SYS was fragmented into many small, less-than-100-block size-B pieces. I was worried that I would soon get the dreaded HEADERFULLE error, so I called Compaq/DEC. They said there was a bug in their new E INDEXF.SYS extension algorithm and told me to apply the Y2K patch for G VMS 5.5. That fixed it. The new algorithm calculates the extension size_D based on current conditions on the disk. Since you have 6.2, and theE Y2k kit that I used included VMS 6.2 style backup, I would guess thatw2 your INDEXF.SYS extension algorithm is up-to-date.   >,F > I have a situation where on several drives (all 2 Gbyte SCSI) on oneG > VAX the size of indexf.sys is the same as the allocated size, 61,000+CB > blocks, but indexf.sys has not extended yet. Each drive has over; > 2,000,000 blocks free and only 8,000 files on each drive.e >rF > This system only runs one application with no users logging into it,H > they use another VAX that acts as a front end X-windows server passingG > data back to the application server that in turn communicates with an H > Unix Oracle server. So there is not a lot of file activity on the box,; > plenty of processing and network activity but little I/O.  >c< > My feeling was that I needed to reformat these drives withG > $INIT/HEADER=16000, to be safe. Based on above I may be safe to leave  > them as they are?c   Yes.  B Why reduce the number of headers to 16000? You have plenty of freeE space. And since most of INDEXF.SYS consists of headers, you probablyoA have 5x,000 headers, but only 8000 files. So INDEXF.SYS won't gethG extended even once until you reach 5x,000. Actually, it's the number of F file extents that matters here. If your files average 2 extents, e.g.,@ then you have 16000 file headers in use. (Since you say that I/OC activity is low, 2 may well be an overestimate.) When the number ofr> file extents exceeds the number of file headers in INDEXF.SYS,C extension will occur, but you will only be in trouble if you get so F many extensions that they cannot all be mapped in INDEXF.SYS's single-E block file header. I assume the new algorithm will keep the number of F extents of INDEXF.SYS to a very low value. So not to worry. Hopefully,A someone else may be able to supply some details on the algorithm.t  G There is usually room for approx. 155 "map area words in use" which cans be gleaned from the output ofw  . $ DUMP/HEADER/BLOCK=COUNT=0 [000000]INDEXF.SYS   >a/ > All servers run VAX/VMS 6.2 with Y2K patches.  --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the long- wrong part first. Thanks.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)+ w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com 5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.com      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:52:15 GMT-* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>% Subject: Re: INITIALIZE/MAXIMUM_FILES0) Message-ID: <91923d$hto$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ' In article <3A324369.48172A6F@GCE.com>, /   "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> wrote: F > /headers starts small because occasionally people want to have disks+ > that have a very few giant files on them. > > /maxfiles specifies how large the index file bitmap will be.A > You don't want to waste space making this take up way more room  > than you need.  E And even the default is rather conservative in that it will allow you B to fill the disk with nothing but 2-block files. The maximum value@ assumes all your files might all be 1 block in size! I'd say theG default is pretty "safe" in most circumstances. (Actually, change block  to "cluster factor".)    >-@ > Admittedly with multigigabyte disks this is less an issue thanA > it was on RD53 with 70 megs but it is still reasonable to think0& > a bit about usage before setting it. >m6 > By now too people are used to the existing defaults. >3 > Phillip Helbig wrote:> > >i" > > I'm doing some disk shuffling. > >nG > > Normally, I like the "sensible defaults" on VMS.  However, /HEADERS  hasoG > > a default of 16, while the recommended value is the number of files1 onG > > the disk!  Thus, for performance reasons, one wants to estimate howI manyB > > files will be on the disk and set /HEADERS to this MUCH larger number.  > >gE > > There is also the /MAXIMUM_FILES qualifier.  The default seems tom be setG > > to half the hard-value maximum, and is usually at least a factor ofo 10C > > larger than the number of files I expect, so I guess I could got with theD > > default here.  However, I'm wondering why /MAXIMUM_FILES doesn't default:B > > to the hard-wired maximum value.  I can think of circumstances	 where one F > > perhaps would want to set it to some (much lower) specific number, so IH > > can understand why this qualifer exists.  My question is, why is theF > > default half the hard-wired maximum?  Is there any sort of penalty inA > > setting it to the real maximum, twice the default?  This is a5 crucial6G > > question, since the value can only be changed by reinitializing the. > > volume.m [...]f --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the long  wrong part first. Thanks.e   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)+ w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com 5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.com      Sent via Deja.comb http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:55:11 -0500f From: cmccusker@lightbridge.comf Subject: Logging OPCOM messages 8 Message-ID: <852569B4.0072F2EE.00@kauai.lightbridge.com>  G This is probably a dumb question, but is there any way of logging OPCOMsE messages from various different clusters to a single terminal withoutS=    using something like Polycenter Console Manager? - Thanks.i        CFM    Lightbridge Inc.I    Burlington MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:25:00 -0500t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e3 Subject: Re: Mouse hang: AlphaStation 1000A VMS 6.2v, Message-ID: <918m19$8afl$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  G Paul Repacholi wrote in message <87hf48xxtf.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>...-5 >hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:r > A >> In article <915oth$6t1t$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"B% <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:  >>@ >> :When things eventually migrate to USB, then it will truly be hot-pluggable. > > >The SRM/console code folks will be delighted to hear that. :| >     L The hot-pluggable aspect isn't an issue.  The real SRM issues are in pickingF the "base" keyboard/mouse that will be used for the console.  And thenJ passing control between the OS and the console.  Today it's kind of hacky,J but not too complex to pass the KB back and forth - stopping an entire busE is another proposition.  So... there will be more restrictions on the H ability to use "continue" if you halt with a USB keyboard as the consoleE keyboard.  Most likely all you will be able to do is CRASH or reboot.r   >>K >>   The plug gets hot because of a current overflow on the USB, right? :-)  >>L >>   Seriously, USB will fix some problems.  I am also certain that USB willK >>   also bring along its share of new and unusual problems and interestinga, >>   anomolies -- I've already seen a few... >nL >Oh yeah... And all this misses the fundamental point. If the mouse/keyboardG >interface was on the video card, then you are all set for multi-server - >configs. Plus the box is 'auto configuring'.     ? Back in the QDSS/QVSS days with the real Qbus device, which had L mouse/keyboard ports, multi-seat was possible.  Since then there has been noL more-or-less standard way to do this.  You will probably see multi-seat makeL a come back with USB - I've already done some preliminary design for it.  ItH is unlikely you will ever see the graphics makers start putting kb/mouse ports onto their boards.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:03:28 -0500V2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: New OpenVMS  Education siteL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1312001903280001@user-2ive7n0.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <915os1$135e$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@cs.scranton.edu wrote:  . > In article <912gl5$tq6$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>,, >  Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes:7 > |> Malcolm Dunnett <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote:e > |> hI > |> >   If you go to the Compaq website and look at the FAQ posted thereb6 > |> > you'll see they explicitly state you MAY NOT... > |>  H > |> No! there's "CANNOT". And FAQ is nonessential and contains errors.  > |> tO > |> Malcolm, David, Phillip why are you so negative? Essential is what licensee > |> grant text says:m > |>   > |> ...P > |> However, the Software may be copied and used on multiple computers that areD > |> under your control in a classroom environment, including use byH > |> multiple students who have agreed to these License Terms solely for > |> instructional purposes. > |> ... > |> tM > |> This is an exception to what was said before. Is it exception to "single K > |> individual" too? I think so but i'm not a lawyer. The person who wrotevJ > |> FAQ seems to think differently, but it's not true that multiple usersJ > |> cannot log-on with one licence. (Please verify facts before arguing.)    i I just returned from the "OpenVMS Diamond Forum" presented by Compaq (and Oracle) today in New York City.:  The educational license problems were explained to Rich Marcello pretty clearly.  No pitchforks and torches were employed (in fact no one rose from his chair) but this was probably the loudest complaint of the day.  Marcello says they will look into the problems and fix them.  But I don't know how to translate VP-speak, and I don't know how long a "fix" will require to escape from the Compaq lawyers.    The educational license trouble was on Rich Marcello's mind this morning. Maybe now is a good time to reinforce his good intentions by sending him some nice, calm emails explaining how to make the program better.   Terry Shannon makes his living translating VP-speak, and I expect he'll have a much more complete report of today's festivities.  Compaq promised that their presentations will be available on the web in a few days.   -- v Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:43:26 -0600 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>' Subject: RE: New OpenVMS Education sitem- Message-ID: <0033000011209290000002L002*@MHS>s  + =0AHey, folks, give Compaq a little credit.t  9 They're TRYING to get something started back up and might,: I point out that no organization the size of Compaq can goE from zero to sixty, much less reverse direction, in a microfortnight.   H And if you're not getting VMS-specific promotional materials then you'r= eeH not on the right lists and mailing the details to susan dot skonetski a= t compaq$ dot com will rectify that situation.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET0+ Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:49 AMr6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET' Subject: RE: New OpenVMS Education site.    C We do not get any VMS promotional material at all!  Is there such aaF thing?  The way VMS is treated, I am surprised that it is still alive!   Sucharita (Sue) Mukhopadhyay Dean of IS/Techo Lincoln Memorial University) USAA0 In article <917qnb$kiu$2@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>,!   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:1F > In article <OF5B5643B9.A0612EFF-ON882569B3.007E5EF7@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:FC > >Alan: At the moment you have to get put on the list for posters,= etc. SueB > >Skonetski DOES accept third party nominations, and likes to get@ > >chequebook-level management on the list. Send her some names! > >o > >Shane > >/H > I did reply offline to Alan. I did subscribe to the openVMS times but=  2 > have not received any posters or flashing balls.B > We get practically nothing in terms of VMS promotional material. >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >/ > >< > >. > >V< > >Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> on 12/12/2000 03:38:36 AM > >0 > >To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >cc: > >N+ > >Subject:  Re: New OpenVMS Education site  > >2 > >NH > >On 11 Dec 2000 18:02:11 GMT, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) wrote= :0 > >f > >rF > >>Though in our case it's now mostly Student web pages, Student mail andN
 > >Oracle.H > >>A little bit of comparative operating systems plus a few souls stil= ly > >compiling
 > >>programs. H > >>Computer science students tend to be more interested in Unix, Linux=   andD > >>Microsoft. > >D	 > >David,D > > @ > >Out of curiousity have you had any direct contact from CompaqH > >attempting to promote VMS? Preferably direct site visits. Do you get=  B > >the flood of VMS posters and if so did you have to specifically > >register for it?o > >ME > >I know in six years working at Abertay Uni we saw almost no directIF > >promotion of VMS. Just wondered if this had changed. It's my beliefA > >that Compaq must approach remaining educational sites with anya1 > >academic VMS systems and build confidence now.  > >U > >>David Webb > >>VMS and Unix team leader > >>CCSS > >>Middlesex University > >t > >--l
 > >Alan Greigp > >n > >p > >< > >> >I     Sent via Deja.coma http://www.deja.com/=    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:26:15 GMT> From: mukh_sue@my-deja.com' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Education site<) Message-ID: <918igb$3g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   7 In article <1oPZ5.56417$%j3.716795@news6.giganews.com>,--   "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> wrote:I > A > "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message-2 > news:9187g4$ecq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > >-B > > In article <9184mh$mc5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mukh_sue@my-deja.com writes:d > >s= > > :...We do not get any VMS promotional material at all!...D > >8F > >   Please sign up for the OpenVMS Times newsletter (via the OpenVMS > website).n I will do that.  Thanks. >.E > Hmmm.... I'm signed up for it & still don't get any VMS promotionalr
 > literature.  >hE > And that's even though I get tons of OTHER Compaq marketing relatede > materialsrF > every month (Not sure which Compaq "program" I  (or my company) am a part ofrB > (ASE, CSA, Reseller, etc) gets me the MOST Compaq literature but almost noneh
 > of it is > related to VMS.  > F > (We did manage to get a few VMS related item to give out at a recent > conferenceG > for our POISE (A VMS only Student Information Management System) user  groupe0 > but that's been the exception, not the rule. ) >r > -Andy-  F > I am not surprised, Andy.  I will take Hoff's advise and sign up for= OpenVMS newsletter, but I am not optimistic about getting anyeE premotional material, because I am skeptical about Compaq's marketingh) strategy or the lack of it about Openvms.    Sucharita (Sue)Mukhopadhyayt >      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:13:24 GMTh+ From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com>d' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Education site-4 Message-ID: <976741989.958021@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>  K I agree with this. I dropped Sue a direct E Mail about 4/5 months ago and I A have received all of the recent ball/books/posters promoting VMS.4  L CPQ are trying, and I credit them for that, I just would like to see some TV9 ads or mainstream magazine ads about VMS, here in the UK.y   Thanks for listening   Andy  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messagem' news:0033000011209290000002L002*@MHS...h  ( Hey, folks, give Compaq a little credit.  9 They're TRYING to get something started back up and mightg: I point out that no organization the size of Compaq can goE from zero to sixty, much less reverse direction, in a microfortnight.,  H And if you're not getting VMS-specific promotional materials then you'reH not on the right lists and mailing the details to susan dot skonetski at compaq$ dot com will rectify that situation.   WWWebb   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:37:23 GMTw* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Education siteI8 Message-ID: <n_RZ5.82077$IP1.2748134@news1.giganews.com>  6 "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> wrote in message. news:976741989.958021@ananke.eclipse.net.uk...K > I agree with this. I dropped Sue a direct E Mail about 4/5 months ago ande InC > have received all of the recent ball/books/posters promoting VMS..  G Hmmm.... no matter how optimistic [almost] everyone is about the futuresB of VMS (& I count myself in that category) it would be nice to seeD marketing materials designed to increase that optimism get to people@ by "normal" Compaq "marketing channels" instead of the marketing> going to the already converted who know the magic incantations6 to get them from the friendly folk in VMS Engineering.   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:43:50 -0600n7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>-' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Education sitee- Message-ID: <3A3841F6.5881C917@earthlink.net>i   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:e > * > Hey, folks, give Compaq a little credit.  C We do; but we can't afford to take the heat off, even for a moment.    ; > They're TRYING to get something started back up and might < > I point out that no organization the size of Compaq can goG > from zero to sixty, much less reverse direction, in a microfortnight.e  B TRYING isn't enough. Given the not inconsiderable inertia we're upC against, it's gotta stay: "All ahead full, maxmimum worp!" Envision C trying to change the course of a black hole in its trek through thea	 universe.A  B ...no, I haven't forgotten the earlier lesson in how badly extreme$ examples and analogies are received.   --   David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged..   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:10:12 -0600b+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> ' Subject: RE: New OpenVMS Education sitemN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284ADE@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Andy,O  L As folks have stated, there are efforts in place to improve the marketing of	 OpenVMS.    I as an example, there are now all sorts of glossy adverts and testimonialsII for the PHB's to ooohhh and ahhh over that are specific to OpenVMS. As ant/ example, here are a just a few that are online:&  J <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/> Main brochures web page/ [see rest of page for more reference brochures] F <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/ebusiness/index.html> OpenVMS eBusiness solutionsmK <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/appdev/index.html> OpenVMS0 and Application developmentnJ <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/ISE/> RECENT NEW CustomerK that just went live in May of this year with OpenVMS multi-site cluster andy Oracle Rdb.t@ <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/intersystems/> 9 <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/> I <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/consolidation/index.htm>uG One of my favourite topics, as I have been discussing migrating certainoI 32bit HW/SW stuff on failover clusters to equivalent 64bit HW/SW stuff on 8 full load balanced cluster stuff with some Customers....  G These are available via Compaq's internal ordering system to all Sales,lG Marketing and Techies within Compaq for doing proposals, demo's, shows,  ect...   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantm Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----/ From: Andy Stoffel [mailto:acs@fcgnetworks.net]s Sent: December 13, 2000 4:37 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt' Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Education site       6 "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> wrote in message. news:976741989.958021@ananke.eclipse.net.uk...K > I agree with this. I dropped Sue a direct E Mail about 4/5 months ago and  I C > have received all of the recent ball/books/posters promoting VMS.M  G Hmmm.... no matter how optimistic [almost] everyone is about the futuredB of VMS (& I count myself in that category) it would be nice to seeD marketing materials designed to increase that optimism get to people@ by "normal" Compaq "marketing channels" instead of the marketing> going to the already converted who know the magic incantations6 to get them from the friendly folk in VMS Engineering.   -Andy-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:40:32 GMTl0 From: bskidmore@sheltie-net.com (Barry Skidmore)% Subject: OpenVMS Hobbyist TCP/IP Helpe/ Message-ID: <3a37ecc9.24040168@news.iquest.net>   F (Since I don't seem to see any questions from Hobbyists posted here, I' will ask for a private email response):i  E I am having a couple of problems with installing TCP/IP V5.0 from thel VAX Hobbyist CD:  C 1.  The documentation on the CD states that "Without a PAK, you can C use only DECwindows TCP/IP Transport Software".   I also receive anlF error message when starting TCP/IP that "TCPIP PAK is not enabled".  I6 am not using DECWindows (no graphics card or graphics C monitor).  I do not see a TCP/IP PAK listed on the Layered Products-A PAK email I received after registering.  Does that mean I will beb% unable to use FTP or TELNET from DCL?a  @ 2.  Also, when configuring TCP/IP using TCPIP$CONFIG or from the8 TCPIP> prompt, there are error messages stating that the( "TCPIP-IP-CLIENT" PAK must be installed.@ There was not an option during installation of TCP/IP to includeF client software, and I do not see a PAK for it listed with the layeredE products.  This client package is necessary to install and enable the  FTP and TELNET programs.   Thanks,  Barry Skidmore n bskidmore@iquest.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:47:37 +01001+ From: Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com>w) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist TCP/IP Helpo' Message-ID: <3A37FC89.9AEDCCE5@dnv.com>p   The PAK is there.tB The Product authorization key for TCPIP services is in the list ofE layered product keys that you have got. The hitch is that the productvB name for the key is UCX  which is the previous name for the TCP/IP package.I So, if You only have loaded a minimum selection of licenses by hand, justa9 register the UCX license also, and do TCPIP$CONFIG again.i  
 Good luck,    Arne Bergseth   Barry Skidmore wrote:o  H > (Since I don't seem to see any questions from Hobbyists posted here, I) > will ask for a private email response):s >hG > I am having a couple of problems with installing TCP/IP V5.0 from the. > VAX Hobbyist CD: >eE > 1.  The documentation on the CD states that "Without a PAK, you canyE > use only DECwindows TCP/IP Transport Software".   I also receive an H > error message when starting TCP/IP that "TCPIP PAK is not enabled".  I7 > am not using DECWindows (no graphics card or graphicsiE > monitor).  I do not see a TCP/IP PAK listed on the Layered Products C > PAK email I received after registering.  Does that mean I will beo' > unable to use FTP or TELNET from DCL?  > B > 2.  Also, when configuring TCP/IP using TCPIP$CONFIG or from the: > TCPIP> prompt, there are error messages stating that the* > "TCPIP-IP-CLIENT" PAK must be installed.B > There was not an option during installation of TCP/IP to includeH > client software, and I do not see a PAK for it listed with the layeredG > products.  This client package is necessary to install and enable thew > FTP and TELNET programs. >e	 > Thanks,c > Barry Skidmore > bskidmore@iquest.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:22:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>.) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist TCP/IP Help , Message-ID: <3A3812B2.543D7A27@videotron.ca>   Barry Skidmore wrote:rE > monitor).  I do not see a TCP/IP PAK listed on the Layered ProductseC > PAK email I received after registering.  Does that mean I will bet' > unable to use FTP or TELNET from DCL?l  ! Look for a product key for "UCX".c   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:44:53 GMT>0 From: bskidmore@sheltie-net.com (Barry Skidmore)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist TCP/IP Helpo/ Message-ID: <3a3825fd.38685413@news.iquest.net>   1 Thanks very much - that took care of the problem.A  , On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:22:12 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:s   >Barry Skidmore wrote:F >> monitor).  I do not see a TCP/IP PAK listed on the Layered ProductsD >> PAK email I received after registering.  Does that mean I will be( >> unable to use FTP or TELNET from DCL? >a" >Look for a product key for "UCX".   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:13:41 GMTe- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>r Subject: Re: PCL to HTML> Message-ID: <p1WZ5.146671$hD4.36841356@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>  J I got a good answer...Swiftview can read PCL and display it in I.E.   ThisF was my original goal, but I guess I didn't explain that in my original
 message...  " Thanks to everyone who gave input.   Dave    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3A37607D.5830F90@videotron.ca...p Arne Vajhj wrote:G > You may be able to convert PCL to a graphics format like GIF or JPEG,w' > but I am not aware of any converters.a  J DCPS can convert PCL to Postcript. Ghostscript can convert from postscript to PDF, TIFF etc etc.  H The trick is to find a way to get DCPS to send its output to ghostscript instead of a printer...u   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2000 17:13:27 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)C Subject: Re: smbclient vms Openvms ctlsmb symbiont printer solutions+ Message-ID: <9eArF9f1mR5v@eisner.decus.org>c  ) In article <90glc9$99n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,e% john_20_28_2000@yahoo.company writes:e >o9 > I have decided to post this because I could not find anV9 > answer to it before.  I mean nothing derogatory by thatt
 > comment.  : > The way that I used samba's smbclient (2.0.3) on OpenVMS= > 7.2-1 to print to window's (95/98) machines was to download  > the symbiont ctlsmb.   SAMBA 2.0.6 can be found at-+    http://eisner.decus.org/~malmberg/samba/    It requires:/    http://eisner.decus.org/~malmberg/frontport/e  = For SMBCLIENT, I think that there are not much differences inS' functionality between the two versions.   @ For your version to send a "WINpopup" or "net send" message fromA OpenVMS, use a Control-Z where you are prompted to use Control-D.m   <snip>  y@ > Obviously, cyprus is the name of a computer in my organization? > (as well as the user test).  You must substitute yours.  I ame@ > interested in making my own symbiont.  Anyone have information" > on that?  What is it written in?  < Writing your own Print Symbiont is documented in the OpenVMS$ Utility Routines Manual, Chapter 15.  5 There is a link to the OpenVMS Documentation set fromo http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  B You can use any language that supports the VMS calling convention.  
 Good luck.   -Johnm! representing only my own opinion.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:55:01 -0800v* From: Ed Albert <cea7002@axe.humboldt.edu>! Subject: Re: Sort for DIR commandt/ Message-ID: <3A381A65.C6F5A4F@axe.humboldt.edu>x  H Fiddled with this half a dozen different ways ... can't get it to do theB trick at all...  Noted that the exclamation should have been the |E (pipe) character and values are needed for the sort key,, but must bep missing something else.o   Didier Morandi wrote:p >  > Ed Albert wrote: > >oH > > Anyone done a DCL to do sorted directories in VMS?  Would like to beI > > able to sort by various properties, like date/time, owner, extension,pJ > > etc.  Thought that I would check here before I began doing my own .... >  > To sort by size: > H > $ pipe dire_/col=1/not/noh/siz=all ! sort/key=(pos:x,size:y) sys$input >  > or by owner: > F > $ pipe dire_/col=1/not/noh/owner ! sort/key=(pos:x,size:y) sys$input >  > (not tested) >  > D. > --H >   --------------------------------------------------------------------H > Le Pachacamac COMPAQ/DEC/APPLE 34 av. G. Pompidou, 81500 Lavaur FranceF >    http://www.pachacamac.com   *** Une passion pour l'excellence ***H > Tl. : 05.63.58.58.63    Fax. : 05.63.58.58.33    GSM : 06.88.97.61.48 > H > >>> L'association des distributeurs APPLE : http://www.ada.mac-fan.com   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Dec 2000 03:41:35 GMTO From: ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess, University of Queensland) ! Subject: Re: Sort for DIR commandc. Message-ID: <919fhf$m45$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>  \ In article <3A381A65.C6F5A4F@axe.humboldt.edu>, Ed Albert <cea7002@axe.humboldt.edu> writes:I >Fiddled with this half a dozen different ways ... can't get it to do theiC >trick at all...  Noted that the exclamation should have been the | F >(pipe) character and values are needed for the sort key,, but must be >missing something else. >s >Didier Morandi wrote: >> y >> Ed Albert wrote:d >> >I >> > Anyone done a DCL to do sorted directories in VMS?  Would like to bedJ >> > able to sort by various properties, like date/time, owner, extension,K >> > etc.  Thought that I would check here before I began doing my own ....- >>   >> To sort by size:0 >> 6I >> $ pipe dire_/col=1/not/noh/siz=all ! sort/key=(pos:x,size:y) sys$inputt >> e >> or by owner:$ >> @G >> $ pipe dire_/col=1/not/noh/owner ! sort/key=(pos:x,size:y) sys$input> >>   >> (not tested)c >> n  (Why not!)w   Can be made to work... e.g.,fD  $ pipe direct /col=1/notra/nohead/siz/wid=file=60 |sort sys$input -    /key=(pos=60,siz=8) sys$output  ? You need to examine the output from DIRECT and read HELP DIRECT 5 to see what you need to do to get it all on one line.a  @ Not sure what use this is, though, compared with the more useful /SELECT qualifier in DIRECT.  E If you want the largest files, rather than wade through a full sortedf list to the end, just use 1  $ direct /select=size=minimum=10000  or whatevere  @ Have a good read of the help before investing in something whichF will be slow and less useful than what is already there, is my advice.     Cheers, 
        IanG -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --fG Ian Burgess                                     I.Burgess@its.uq.edu.au G Information Technology Services                 Phone:   61 7 336 54074tG Prentice Building                                          0401 993 458  The University of QueenslandG BRISBANE AUSTRALIA 4072                               www.its.uq.edu.aus   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:28:40 -0600 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>a Subject: RE: Sun ClusterN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284AD8@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Rudolph,  J >>> What we see, is faster Pentium (1.7Ghz) in a smaller design (13micro).F What will you have from the best OS, if the platform is sooo slow? >>>  G Please keep in mind that the x86 Mhz wars are being waged on single cpu@K designs (duals may follow at some future point) which make them appropriateo1 for Workstation and smaller departmental servers.r  J The issue one has with these Mhz wars are things like memory access, cacheI coherency, SMP scaling (including the OS level issues) ... in other wordsa complete SYSTEM design.y  L As an example, here is a reference to the latest x86 servers from Compaq andK Dell. They are very competitive with what is currently available from otherm vendors:3 <http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/platforms/> J <http://www.dell.com/us/en/biz/products/spec_pedge_depts_6400_servers.htm>  K Notice what happens to the individual CPU speeds when you look at 3 or moren cpu's? (700Mhz is max per cpu).f  B With respect to the comment "platform is sooo slow ..", check out:< http://ideasinternational.com/benchmark/spec/specfp2000.html> http://ideasinternational.com/benchmark/spec/specint2000.html   I And yes, the x86 systems have better Mhz numbers today on a per cpu basistI than they did a year ago, but keep in mind the x86 servers posted on this0' chart are currently single cpu designs.d   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesn Voice: 613-592-4660i Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message------ From: Rudolf Wingert [mailto:win@FOM.FGAN.DE]g Sent: December 13, 2000 2:52 AMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: Sun Cluster     Hello,   Keith Parris wrotes:   >>>oF Compaq bought Digital in 1998.  Some significant new developments that have sprung up since then:B  o  Shadowing Mini-Copy (to make it practical to use 3rd shadowset members for snapshot backups)   o  eXtended File Cachet0  o  Fast_Path support for SCSI and Fibre Channel"  o  DECram in Galaxy shared memory7  o  Significant locking performance improvements in RMSDE  o  Free new performance data collector to be shipped with VMS, and aV5 new (documented) performance API (cf. $GETSPI) in VMSh  o  Free RTR with VMSEB  o  Complete turnaround in UCX code quality, features, and supportG  o  Much more support for Unixy stuff, in addition to DII/COE: Kerberosy V5, Apache, Mozilla, Java :  o  SDA extensions for tracing lock requests and spinlocks  2 Stuff that is coming that is farther out than 7.3:  o  QIO Server  o  Fast_Path for LANs;  o  Fast_Path for Galaxy Shared Memory Cluster Interconnect 8  o  Lock Manager data structures in Galaxy Shared Memory <<<x  L Right, but the platform (Alpha) is a little bit behind the state of the art.I Nothing of the Alpha roadmap for the year 2000 have been realized (>=1GhznH buyable). What did Digital say, when they sold the fabric: faster AlphasG with slower design in a shorter time. Why should Intel do that? What weaH see, is faster Pentium (1.7Ghz) in a smaller design (13micro). What will8 you have from the best OS, if the platform is sooo slow?   Best regards Rudolf Wingertc   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2000 15:18:07 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: Re: Sun Cluster+ Message-ID: <w$cAl9zMBYq$@eisner.decus.org>-  _ In article <871yvcxmzn.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:q* > Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes: > O >> Right, but the platform (Alpha) is a little bit behind the state of the art.  > B > Oh, it is so behind that an API 833MHz UP2000 is the king og the > spec heap at the moment. > L >> Nothing of the Alpha roadmap for the year 2000 have been realized (>=1GhzK >> buyable). What did Digital say, when they sold the fabric: faster AlphasmJ >> with slower design in a shorter time. Why should Intel do that? What weK >> see, is faster Pentium (1.7Ghz) in a smaller design (13micro). What willf; >> you have from the best OS, if the platform is sooo slow?o > + > So how many 1.7G Intels do you have? Any?o >   A And where are the masses of 64 bit Intels?  Alpha has been 64 bitt% it's whole life (over eight years).  n  = > EVERYONE is behind there planned time frames. Mostly due to ? > fab plants being harder to get sorted I suspect. Also, expectS= > things to hit a wall for a while soon. No one has materialsp@ > for <120nm optics, and production of CaF for the current 'new'! > steppers is just getting going.  > : > We should expect to at least HEAR about the 1250M alphas > soon. Well, 'RSN'! >   ? It has been my experience that Digital/Compaq only announce newW9 products when they are getting ready to ship.  Intel willu? announce vapor, smoke and mirrors, three or more years ahead of ? release date (if the product is _ever_ released at all) just tol stiffle potential migration.     ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 22:28:53 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: RE: Sun Cluster, Message-ID: <918t75$jlt@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  | In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284AD8@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes:	 >Rudolph,: >PK >>>> What we see, is faster Pentium (1.7Ghz) in a smaller design (13micro). G >What will you have from the best OS, if the platform is sooo slow? >>>9 >2H >Please keep in mind that the x86 Mhz wars are being waged on single cpuL >designs (duals may follow at some future point) which make them appropriate2 >for Workstation and smaller departmental servers.  L Very, very, VERY appropriate - and that's a real problem for the Alpha, and 
 Compaq too.  i  Q Some of the Crystallographers here have been running tests on a software package  K called "CNS" (http://cns.csb.yale.edu/) with a 1.2 Ghz Athlon system (768M,nJ Microstar motherboard, and the default IDE disk) from Gateway running SuseG 7.0 and a commercial Fortran 77 compiler. The tested code is all single-J threaded (so SMP wouldn't help anyway) and it's about as heavy on floatingJ point operations as code gets.  They're observing about 5/6th of the speedE of a 500 Mhz DP264 running Tru64 using Compaq's Fortran compiler. TheqJ Gateway cost under $3000 including the monitor.  The compiler was a coupleK of hundred dollars more.  And there are better motherboards around than thelG Microstar.  I don't recall what the DP264 cost these guys but it was attI least 15K$, and it has been a particularly expensive machine to run sincerG they couldn't put it on the ESL/CSLG as it is owned by the HHMI and notb; Caltech.  (The only thing more expensive than the ESL/CSLG c% is an Alpha _without_ the ESL/CSLG!).K  I Since its introduction the speed of the Athlon has ramped up from 450 MhzeH to 1.2 Ghz. In roughly the same time span the DS10, which costs at leastI twice as much for a working system, has only just barely budged, from 466eK Mhz to 600 Mhz. And it's effectively impossible to upgrade an existing DS10eJ to take advantage of that speed increase.  (We can ignore the speed of the< CPUs in the GS series as that's irrelevant in this market.)   H AMD and Intel are now in the process of passing the Alpha. RealisticallyG they passed it a year ago for integer performance, and they're now verynE close to even for floating point performance.  These other chips have H always had better prices.  The last time that other manufacturers passedK Digital (at the time) in performance, starting in the late '80s, Digital atsI least had the advantage of a huge installed base of smaller machines withfD platform dependent software.  So there was some inertia to hold the I customers.  Compaq does not have that luxury this time. So while they maykG have sold the national labs a bunch of DS10L based Alpha computer farms,K this year, if they lose the absolute performance lead there will be no suchc sales next year. h  F Given their results it's pretty unlikely that this particular group ofJ crystallographers will be buying any more Alphas.  It isn't just the AlphaB that's in trouble though - if/when a usable hardware OpenGL stereoK implementation appears for Linux it's going to be curtains for SGI as well.   J One can only hope that Samsung finally gets its act together - or that theK VMS group has a contingency plan for running the OS on something other thano Alpha. "   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.educ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech P   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Dec 2000 22:55:53 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: Sun Cluster, Message-ID: <918upp$jlt@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  X In article <w$cAl9zMBYq$@eisner.decus.org>, kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:` >In article <871yvcxmzn.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:+ >> Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:t >> yP >>> Right, but the platform (Alpha) is a little bit behind the state of the art. >> nC >> Oh, it is so behind that an API 833MHz UP2000 is the king og thee >> spec heap at the moment.- >> -M >>> Nothing of the Alpha roadmap for the year 2000 have been realized (>=1Ghz@L >>> buyable). What did Digital say, when they sold the fabric: faster AlphasK >>> with slower design in a shorter time. Why should Intel do that? What weeL >>> see, is faster Pentium (1.7Ghz) in a smaller design (13micro). What will< >>> you have from the best OS, if the platform is sooo slow? >> E, >> So how many 1.7G Intels do you have? Any? >>    J There's no problem buying the faster Athlons though.  They aren't quite asA fast as the UP2000 ir DS20E  at FP, but they're very close to theHG performance of a DS10 600Mhz (faster than the 466Mhz variant), and they F cost less than half as much as any DS10.   And WAY less than the other  two alphas.  From www.spec.org:    CFP2000:  I  Company Name                System Name                      Peak  Full TG  Advanced Micro Devic   Gigabyte GA-7ZM motherboard 1.2GHz A   304  342eG  Compaq Computer Corp   DS10 6/600                             377  411 G  Compaq Computer Corp   DS20E Model 6/667                      514  577-G  Alpha Processor, Inc   API UP2000 833 MHz                     571  644p  K No way the performance of the DS10 600 merits the price premium relative to4I the Athlon.  Especially since you're going to have to buy a SCSI disk forLH the DS10 if you want to obtain reasonable disk IO rates, and the AthlonsH all have more modern ATA variants so you may be able to skip that extra  expense on those systems.    >eB >And where are the masses of 64 bit Intels?  Alpha has been 64 bit& >it's whole life (over eight years).    G That's irrelevant unless your code needs 32 bits.  An awful lot of very I useful code does not need, and cannot take advantage of, a 64 bit addresso space. c  J In case it isn't obvious I'm having a slight case of buyer's remorse aboutK the DS10 beowulf.  It made sense at the time, and it still works great, but L the CPUs can't be upgraded without paying the full cost for the newer fasterI DS10s.  That would not have been true with an equivalent investment in PCs class hardware.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edug? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech @   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2000 16:34:57 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)' Subject: Re: Supervisor Series on Alphan+ Message-ID: <$x9G9bngICc3@eisner.decus.org>   p In article <009F47E7.7BEC01C0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:c > In article <91667d$7qg$1@wanadoo.fr>, "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr> writes:r >>Hello VMS community, >> >>[ fernch version follows]k >>P >>I am moving (at last) from my Microvax 3100/95 (VMS 7.1) to an Alpha DS10 (VMS >>7.2-1 and patches...)a >>P >>I got all the software I used on the VAX on to the ALPHA except one I got fromK >>DECUS a long time ago whose name is Supervisor. It allows me to watch andu= >>interact with all my VTxxx or telnet emulators of my users.  >>7 >> I am looking for the Alpha version or a replacement.o >>Thanks for your help.i > J > There are no freeware equivalents to Supervisor.  It looks like you willH > be purchasing commercial software if you want Supervisor capabilities. > J > Raxco Contrl -- http://www.raxco.com/products/RaxcoSupport/more_info.cfmA > NDC Peek&Spy -- http://www.networkingdynamics.com/peeknspy2.htm  >   < This is also a feature or Symark Software's Watcher product.! http://www.symark.com/watcher.htme   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:11:49 -0700 $ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>' Subject: Re: Supervisor Series on Alphae) Message-ID: <3A37F425.544C873A@cha.ab.ca>e  o We have been using Raxco's Contrl on four Alphaserver 1200 nodes for over a year now.  No problems.  Stable andad reliable.  Don't jump at the first offer from Raxco.  You may be able to get a good price from them.   Marty Kuhrt wrote:  r > In article <009F47E7.7BEC01C0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:e > > In article <91667d$7qg$1@wanadoo.fr>, "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr> writes:b > >>Hello VMS community, > >> > >>[ fernch version follows]r > >>R > >>I am moving (at last) from my Microvax 3100/95 (VMS 7.1) to an Alpha DS10 (VMS > >>7.2-1 and patches...)n > >>R > >>I got all the software I used on the VAX on to the ALPHA except one I got fromM > >>DECUS a long time ago whose name is Supervisor. It allows me to watch andP? > >>interact with all my VTxxx or telnet emulators of my users./ > >>9 > >> I am looking for the Alpha version or a replacement.. > >>Thanks for your help.  > >.L > > There are no freeware equivalents to Supervisor.  It looks like you willJ > > be purchasing commercial software if you want Supervisor capabilities. > >cL > > Raxco Contrl -- http://www.raxco.com/products/RaxcoSupport/more_info.cfmC > > NDC Peek&Spy -- http://www.networkingdynamics.com/peeknspy2.htmD > >9 >$> > This is also a feature or Symark Software's Watcher product.# > http://www.symark.com/watcher.htmh   -- Lee>  ; Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authorityn? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSCn4 Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NW? Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:51:55 GMTy= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)b' Subject: Re: Supervisor Series on Alphae0 Message-ID: <009F48B5.D84ED7D0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <$x9G9bngICc3@eisner.decus.org>, kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:q >In article <009F47E7.7BEC01C0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:>d >> In article <91667d$7qg$1@wanadoo.fr>, "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr> writes: >>>Hello VMS community,d >>>w >>>[ fernch version follows] >>>=Q >>>I am moving (at last) from my Microvax 3100/95 (VMS 7.1) to an Alpha DS10 (VMS  >>>7.2-1 and patches...) >>>tQ >>>I got all the software I used on the VAX on to the ALPHA except one I got from L >>>DECUS a long time ago whose name is Supervisor. It allows me to watch and> >>>interact with all my VTxxx or telnet emulators of my users. >>>h8 >>> I am looking for the Alpha version or a replacement. >>>Thanks for your help. >> mK >> There are no freeware equivalents to Supervisor.  It looks like you willtI >> be purchasing commercial software if you want Supervisor capabilities.a >> .K >> Raxco Contrl -- http://www.raxco.com/products/RaxcoSupport/more_info.cfm-B >> NDC Peek&Spy -- http://www.networkingdynamics.com/peeknspy2.htm >> . >g= >This is also a feature or Symark Software's Watcher product. " >http://www.symark.com/watcher.htm  H I meant to mention Symark too but when I went to the web site and lookedH at Watcher it wasn't very evident from the description that this was in-& deed the terminal observation package.  E 'Twas no intentional slight.  I wanted to mention any of the quality rE packages available from honest and reputable companies.  So, in this 0D posting should be a complete list meeting the aforementioned requis- ites as far as I know.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:27:03 +0100 9 From: "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr>e' Subject: Re: Supervisor Series on Alphat% Message-ID: <9190ha$m95$1@wanadoo.fr>c  " thanks you for all these points...     -- Michel HERRSCHER Consultantt mhc@herrscher.fr7 Tl : +33 (0)450 870 912       Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741t Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711    K Michel Herrscher Consultant <michel@herrscher.fr> a crit dans le message :f 91667d$7qg$1@wanadoo.fr... > Hello VMS community, >e > [ fernch version follows]w >eP > I am moving (at last) from my Microvax 3100/95 (VMS 7.1) to an Alpha DS10 (VMS > 7.2-1 and patches...)p >sP > I got all the software I used on the VAX on to the ALPHA except one I got fromK > DECUS a long time ago whose name is Supervisor. It allows me to watch and.= > interact with all my VTxxx or telnet emulators of my users.o >e7 >  I am looking for the Alpha version or a replacement.s > Thanks for your help.t >y > -- > Michel HERRSCHER Consultant  > mhc@herrscher.fr9 > Tl : +33 (0)450 870 912       Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741  > Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711 >, > Version Franaise. >nP > Je suis en train de migrer de VAX  ALPHA. et je recherche la version Alpha duN > programme DECUS : SUPERVISOR qui permet de voir et agir sur les terminaux VT ou > telnet de mes utilisateurs.F >.O > Est ce que vous pouvez m'aider  la trouver,  dfaut un soft de remplacementS ?C >t > Merci de votre aide. >r >w   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2000 18:27:02 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)' Subject: Re: Supervisor Series on Alphac+ Message-ID: <jW01X01KV$vj@eisner.decus.org>h  p In article <009F48B5.D84ED7D0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:Z > In article <$x9G9bngICc3@eisner.decus.org>, kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:r >>In article <009F47E7.7BEC01C0@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:e >>> In article <91667d$7qg$1@wanadoo.fr>, "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr> writes:o >>>>Hello VMS community, >>>> >>>>[ fernch version follows]o >>>>R >>>>I am moving (at last) from my Microvax 3100/95 (VMS 7.1) to an Alpha DS10 (VMS >>>>7.2-1 and patches...)t >>>>R >>>>I got all the software I used on the VAX on to the ALPHA except one I got fromM >>>>DECUS a long time ago whose name is Supervisor. It allows me to watch and ? >>>>interact with all my VTxxx or telnet emulators of my users.e >>>>9 >>>> I am looking for the Alpha version or a replacement.0 >>>>Thanks for your help.n >>> L >>> There are no freeware equivalents to Supervisor.  It looks like you willJ >>> be purchasing commercial software if you want Supervisor capabilities. >>> L >>> Raxco Contrl -- http://www.raxco.com/products/RaxcoSupport/more_info.cfmC >>> NDC Peek&Spy -- http://www.networkingdynamics.com/peeknspy2.htm  >>>  >>> >>This is also a feature or Symark Software's Watcher product.# >>http://www.symark.com/watcher.htm) > J > I meant to mention Symark too but when I went to the web site and lookedJ > at Watcher it wasn't very evident from the description that this was in-( > deed the terminal observation package.  K It's not the primary function of the product, so it's not at the top of thenM feature list.  I used to do support for the product, so I happened to know its
 was in there.e  G > 'Twas no intentional slight.  I wanted to mention any of the quality eG > packages available from honest and reputable companies.  So, in this eF > posting should be a complete list meeting the aforementioned requis- > ites as far as I know.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:12:36 -060031 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>f5 Subject: Re: Two NEW SKC Postings at www.acersoft.comt8 Message-ID: <918hg2$3g7$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  E Just curious.  Who is the VMS marketing manager anyways?  Surely this) shouldn't be	 a secret.i   Dave...a  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messages8 news:CUvY5.42074$M51.14476984@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >w4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message$ > news:90slrh$fmt$1@pyrite.mv.net... > >'A > > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagel< > > news:IchY5.41071$M51.14206170@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...< > > >       OpenVMS: A Renaissance OS for The New Millennium > >r1 > > "OpenVMS marketing no longer is an oxymoron."w > > F > > ... unless you look for efforts beyond the existing customer base. >a< > Well, don't blame me, blame the OpenVMS Marketing Manager! > >e > > >i > > >       and...C > > >      Nearer My InfiniBand to Thee: Compaq Debuts ServerNet IIh > >qA > > "Significantly, Compaq's efforts will begin with the ProLiantg platform..." > >a$ > > Kind of says it all right there. >0K > There are some good reasons for starting on ProLiant. In fact, since SeptrG > you have been able to order a two-node ProLiant cluster based on thise
 > technology.i > H > CPQ is looking at ServerNet II for Alpha (Both OVMS and T64 UNIX), but given E > the availability of Infiniband in early 2002, it might not be worthbA > bothering with ServerNet II and the costs associated therewith.  >n >w >h >k   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:09:44 -0600e/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>o% Subject: Virtual I/O Cache and OracleiR Message-ID: <6FACDDDFBD7BD411B38100D0B7B0CDCC40B5A4@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  J We are running Oracle V7.1.5 on VMS V6.2 on an AlphaServer 2100.  We wouldD like to know if enabling the VMS Virtual I/O Cache would benefit theI performance of our AlphaServer?  The doc set for VMS states "ApplicationssJ that initiate single read and write requests will not benefit from virtualI I/O caching as the data is never reread from the cache. Applications thateJ rely on implicit I/O delays might abort or yield unpredictable results."    $ Ed Stuart                           ( Manager, Systems and Desktop Services	   Information Technology Services  City of Austin, Austin Energyt Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com  + "Glittering prizes and endless compromises w. shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Pert  B *Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here*   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:58:07 -0600n/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>h Subject: Re: VMS "froze"O Message-ID: <3EFFBE21D3CF8649.23EC2A3F2369B97F.DD1E75AD8E173847@lp.airnews.net>n   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > M > The HALT button does not pull some signal that causes the CPU to "halt", it L > generates a IPL31 interrupt handled by the console firmware.  If somethingM > is in a IPL31 loop, or the console firmware is corrupt, then HALT will havenD > no effect.  The system will appear "hung" and a reset is required. > F > In the future, we are addressing this on larger systems by having anL > external microprocessor that handles system management functions.  You canI > always get to this, regardless of the state of the systems.  Using thishI > interface you will then be able to cause specific things to happen to asK > system regardless of the systems state.  This will provide us with bettera > ways to diagnose problems.    Sort of a son of 11/780?  <grin>  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------l$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com b   Fax: 817-237-3074s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:03:49 -0600l7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>h Subject: Re: VMS "froze"- Message-ID: <3A383895.2A2383E0@earthlink.net>g   Hoff Hoffman wrote:a > f > In article <918a7l$83lm$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:N > :The HALT button does not pull some signal that causes the CPU to "halt", itM > :generates a IPL31 interrupt handled by the console firmware.  If somethingMN > :is in a IPL31 loop, or the console firmware is corrupt, then HALT will haveE > :no effect.  The system will appear "hung" and a reset is required.e > H >   In my experience, the halt button was not always a reliable means ofI >   halting a MicroVAX Q-bus (or certain VAX Unibus systems, depending ona> >   the particular bus adapter) undergoing a bus hang, either. > G > :In the future, we are addressing this on larger systems by having an>F > :external microprocessor that handles system management functions... > K >   Analogous to the Pro-based (Nautilus) or MicroVAX-based (PolarStar) VAXlI >   console that was used on the VAX 88xx series systems, in some ways...p  = I just hope it isn't based on buggy, unreliable Micro$hit !!!    -- e David J. Dachtera3 dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.696 ************************