1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 701       Contents:C Re: %INSTALL-I-NONSHRADR, image installed ignoring '/SHARE=ADDRESS' 5 Re: DBL files on VMS (can I access them via windows?) # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster 0 Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS!" Re: Kernel Overhead for Direct I/OA Re: New Encompass Survey... PLease Take 10 Minutes to Fill It Out  No OpenGL extension on Display RDB and a web browser  Re: RDB and a web browser  RIP LN03, 1987-2000  Re: RIP LN03, 1987-2000 ) VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 16 Dec 2000 13:36:29 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)L Subject: Re: %INSTALL-I-NONSHRADR, image installed ignoring '/SHARE=ADDRESS'. Message-ID: <91fr4t$bn1$2@info.service.rug.nl>  6 In article <3A3AA9D6.7A3B4964@rcn.com>, Jonas Lindholm <jlindholm@rcn.com> writes:   P > Even if you enable all privileges before you run VMSINSTAL it will run withoutP > bypass because VMSINSTALL is disabling that privilege during the installation.  F OK.  That might explain it.  Presumably, this is a security measure.  G Note that I explicitly turned on SET PROC/PRIV=ALL and was not relying  I on something VMSINSTAL does to give me the privs if needed.  OK, I guess  F I should always log in as SYSTEM.  It seems to me, though, that there H are some legitimate reasons why one might want to install stuff from an A account other than SYSTEM, and why this might not have all privs   enabled by default.   I I have done this many times in the past.  VMSINSTAL says I am not logged  6 in as SYSTEM etc, but this was never a problem before.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:29:36 -0000 1 From: "Bagbourne" <the_bagbournes@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: DBL files on VMS (can I access them via windows?)3 Message-ID: <91fphi$f1j$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>   7 Dave <!delete!davekone@savalfoods.com> wrote in message 4 news:5VMZ5.5080$Sl.260823@iad-read.news.verio.net...J Does anyone know ofa program that will allow a Windows OS to directly readJ and write to .dbl files on a Alpha VMS computer?  The programs on VMS wereJ writting in Synergy and use .ddf file that I think are RMS files.  VMS ver 7.1     H All files are RMS files on VMS. Yes, there is a solution, and I wrote it when I worked for Synergex.   I The Synergy VMS server. Run it on the VMS box, and use the "@nodename" in + the open statement in your windows program:   1     open(1, i:i, "logical:filename.ddf@nodename")   " You can then use any IO statement.  L What version of Synergy are you on on the VMS side? On 6.1 and above you canH even use sequential read reverse on indexed files, so you won't notice aJ difference from other platforms (a little trick I added to the runtime). II don't know the cost of the server, you'd have to contact Synergex for all  that.   L Another nice trick I added to the Synergy runtime on VMS, and the VMS server< is being able to open a "pipe" to a command on the VMS side:  '     open(1, i, "@nodename|SHOW SYSTEM")   K Then read the results back until EOF. If you open a pipe in u mode (update) J you can write the next command to it when youve finished mopping up output from the first one.    Regards,   Nigel    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:02:15 -0800 , From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net>, Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster8 Message-ID: <3a3b7576$0$35011$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > 3 > What IS the diffence between a DS20 and a DS20E??   N Besides using the EV67 (vs EV6) the DS20E comes in a different "package" whichP is easier to rackmount.  The real sacrifice is the DS20E pedestal no longer uses2 the "traditional" blue StoragWorks "shelf" inside.  L Toss all those -VA and -VW device !!! (or pay extra for a second controller,: cable(s), shelf, power supply, mount brackets, etc., etc.)    
 Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:14:14 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>9 Subject: Re: It's 20 years since I first logged onto VMS! + Message-ID: <VA.000001e2.098de615@sture.ch>   A In article <3A3A46BE.1D2D6E6C@epfl.ch>, Philippe Marmillod wrote:  >  > Paul Sture wrote:  > > I > > If I've got my dates right, on 8-DEC-1980, I logged into my first VMS  > 7 > In 1980 I was not so modern, my pdp-11 OS was RSX11-M  >   H I also did some RSX-11 work then. One interesting project was porting a E VMS developed application to RSX-11. It turned out to be quite hard.  I Apart from trying to fit large programs into a smaller address space, we  J were bitten by the fact the RSX locking was on a block rather than record  basis. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:14:14 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>+ Subject: Re: Kernel Overhead for Direct I/O + Message-ID: <VA.000001e3.098de845@sture.ch>   @ In article <3A33BA0A.515A2955@mmaz.com>, Jr. Barry Treahy wrote:- > From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ) > Subject: Kernel Overhead for Direct I/O ' > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:14:50 -0700  > D > I know that Direct I/O consumes kernel stack time, but can someone > confirm what is realistic? > H > I have a VAX 4000/100 and two weeks ago I yanked all of my old DEC andI > third-parts SCSI drives and replaced it with an Infortrends based RAID. H > I've got analysis reports running, and I'm seeing on average 182 I/O'sE > per second on the hot drive, the I/O queue is less than one but the . > kernel time is hanging about 32% on average. > G > I know that the new drives would shift the bottle-necks, but I didn't 0 > anticipate this.  Any recommendations on this? > F FWIW, I've seen such high kernel usage on VAXes caused by 3 things in  particular:   E 1. Badly organized indexed files (poorly designed indexed files with  B large numbers of duplicate keys also fall into this category IIRC) 2. Heavily fragmented disks H 3. Too many files per directory in conjunction with a high frequency of  scratch file creation.   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2000 15:07:21 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>J Subject: Re: New Encompass Survey... PLease Take 10 Minutes to Fill It Out0 Message-ID: <87snnoalp2.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  6 > en.com.pass -  to surround;  to contain, to include.  N > ass_survey.html and share your views.  Here's a bonus -- complete the surveyM > by December 8 and you'll automatically be entered into a drawing to win one ' > of three iPAQ Personal Audio Players.    Wow 357 days to fill it in.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:12:45 +1100 (EST) C From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nakamura=20Tamo?= <tamo_nakamura@yahoo.com.au> ' Subject: No OpenGL extension on Display @ Message-ID: <20001216071245.93177.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com>  
 Dear Readers,   5 I wish to use OpenGL programming environment on a DEC 6 Alpha 500 with the Open VMS hobbiest licences.  When I6 try to run the IVP program I select the default device2 and the IVP attempts to run.  But it fails stating that  ! "No OpenGL extension on Display".   2 I can compile all the example code in sys$examples with the open GLX includes.   . I have the OPENVMS-ALPHA and DW-MOTIF licences4 registed.  I have the following software and patches
 installed.    Open VMS 7.2-1 VMS721-UPDATE-V0100  VMS721-GRAPHICS-V0300 1 DW Motif 1.24  (I had the same problem with 1.25)  Digital Open3D version 4.9A   6 I have an Elsa Gloria Gloria graphics (PBXGK-BB)  When4 I run $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM CLUE CONFIG I see that the OS4 thinks the card is a Powerstorm 4D10T.  I cannot see( details about the card at console level.  5 I have made the changes to the system account and the 5 private_server_setup.com for quotas as suggest in the 5 Open3D install guide.  The DECwindows interface works - okay.  The DECWindows output device is GZA0:.   4 Is the graphics card supported by OpenGL and the X111 server extension GLX?  I thought so, but I am not  sure.   5 Is OPEN3D covered under the hobbiest licence scheme?  , I cannot see a licence on the list for that.  5 If it is supportted what have I done wrong.  I am not 5 very experienced in adminstration and installation of  software onto VMS.  4 I look forward to any suggestions that can be given.   Thanks for your help.       M _____________________________________________________________________________ S http://au.yahoo.com/shopping/giftguide/christmas/jumppage.html - Yahoo! Gift Guides  - Looking for inspiration?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:30:38 +1300 9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@noospammm.met.co.nz>  Subject: RDB and a web browser1 Message-ID: <8IF_5.3017$%v1.94462@ozemail.com.au>   # Anyone managed to get a web browser   changing their rdb database yet?  + Im interested in setting up an easy way for & someone to be able to change things in# an RDB database without knowing any  sql   % I have heard of Attunity, but that is 
 about all.   cheers   antony   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:24:24 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")" Subject: Re: RDB and a web browser8 Message-ID: <009F4A87.634A7377@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  A In article <8IF_5.3017$%v1.94462@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle" + <antony.wardle@noospammm.met.co.nz> writes:   $ >Anyone managed to get a web browser! >changing their rdb database yet?  > , >Im interested in setting up an easy way for' >someone to be able to change things in $ >an RDB database without knowing any >sql > & >I have heard of Attunity, but that is >about all.  >   B I am not clear whether you want to change data or metadata in the B Rdb database.  If you're looking to change data, the Rdb Web AgentB allows you to write simple SQL-based web apps which users can then$ use to update the database contents.  O If you want to do DBA stuff - adding columns to tables, defining new  indices - A via the web without knowing any SQL, you're probably out of luck.    -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:39:33 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: RIP LN03, 1987-2000, Message-ID: <3A3B2A3F.424AB28B@videotron.ca>  L My old LN03-plus, which had taken retirement some years ago, went peacefully6 tonight. With my 9 year old newphew, I took it apart.   @ This trusted heavy box had printed 124923 pages in its lifetime.  N I had been told that there was a concrete boock in it to provide the vibrationJ resistance. But alas, after tearing its guts out, I found out this was notK true... The main motor is pretty heavy though. And boy, there were a lot of  screws in that puppy.     L Once it was gutted, the outside casing was cleaned and re-assembled and will$ now serve as a foot-rest :-) :-) :-)  L Now, I have to fogure out a way to power the laser.. since it is IR, maybe IM could use it to melt the snow on the driveway... Is there anmy chance that it " would alctually emit a red light ?  3 The lenses and rotating mirro are interesting too.    / May the LN03 allow my feet to rest in peace :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:54:11 -0800 , From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net>  Subject: Re: RIP LN03, 1987-20008 Message-ID: <3a3b7392$0$30003$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > N > My old LN03-plus, which had taken retirement some years ago, went peacefully7 > tonight. With my 9 year old newphew, I took it apart.  > B > This trusted heavy box had printed 124923 pages in its lifetime. >     6 We still have a BRAND NEW LN03, in the original box !!    
 Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Dec 2000 21:42:23 PST* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)2 Subject: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?! Message-ID: <rX0sdEhQbEw2@flying>   5 While I have no intention of giving up VMS, I do want 4 to learn about Linux.   While doing so, I would like, to have some of my favorite tools available:  
     1) EDT
     2) TPU     3) TECO )     4) Printing to LAT-connected printers   6 Does anyone know of Linux versions of any of the above- and where I can obtain (even for money) them?    Thanks,  Alan   --  B --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:26:48 GMT 1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> 6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?6 Message-ID: <cHF_5.85$m4.15084@nostril.pacific.net.au>  + Alan Frisbie <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote: 7 > While I have no intention of giving up VMS, I do want 6 > to learn about Linux.   While doing so, I would like. > to have some of my favorite tools available:   >     1) EDT >     2) TPU  = 	Right now I am using a Linux ISP shell account with a VT320. B 	You can define your standard EDITOR to be emacs. Emacs has a good? 	TPU ( and EDT ) emulation mode. Use the switches " -l -q tpu". E 	After that is done, any program you start can use you defined EDITOR B 	as default ( like rtin which I use at this moment, or lynx, pine,2 	etc ). Emacs is free, I think, part of Un*x kits.  " 	If you need more info, e-mail me. 						Csaba   
 >     3) TECO + >     4) Printing to LAT-connected printers   8 > Does anyone know of Linux versions of any of the above/ > and where I can obtain (even for money) them?   	 > Thanks,  > Alan   > --  D > --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" ComB > --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com    I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush. I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:53:04 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?' Message-ID: <G5nt0G.655@spcuna.spc.edu>   , Alan Frisbie <abuse@flying-disk.com> writes:7 > While I have no intention of giving up VMS, I do want 6 > to learn about Linux.   While doing so, I would like. > to have some of my favorite tools available: >  >     1) EDT   http://www.bosbc.com/edt.htm   >     2) TPU  % http://www.asoft-dev.com/tpu_info.htm   
 >     3) TECO   C http://penguinfiles.com/software/listings/Utilities/TextEditors/476   + >     4) Printing to LAT-connected printers   ; http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-decnet/ (DECnet too!)   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Dec 2000 13:42:16 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?. Message-ID: <91frfo$bn1$3@info.service.rug.nl>  F In article <rX0sdEhQbEw2@flying>, abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie) writes:   7 > While I have no intention of giving up VMS, I do want 5 > to learn about Linux.  While doing so, I would like . > to have some of my favorite tools available:  6 Interesting that your posting address is "abuse".  :-|  s >     1) EDT >     2) TPU
 >     3) TECON+ >     4) Printing to LAT-connected printersE > 8 > Does anyone know of Linux versions of any of the above/ > and where I can obtain (even for money) them?   (             But I was thinking of a plan*               To dye one's whiskers green,)             And always use so large a fanl*               That they could not be seen.'             So, having no reply to giver'               To what the old man said,32             I cried, "Come, tell me how you live!"*               And thumped him on the head.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:51:40 -0800 , From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net>6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?8 Message-ID: <3a3b72fb$0$30003$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>   CSABA HARANGOZO wrote: > F >         Right now I am using a Linux ISP shell account with a VT320.K >         You can define your standard EDITOR to be emacs. Emacs has a goods* >         TPU ( and EDT ) emulation mode.   L Most emacs TPU emulation is for the auxiliary keys only.  Forget those "roll your own" tpu customizations.n  O The only thing "close" to tpu outside of VMS and Ultrix (yes, I said Ultrix notlG OSF1/ Digital Unix / or Tru(confessions)64) is (was ?) A/Soft's nuTPU. tP Unfortunately, I think they have gone belly up.  At least they haven't release aM new version in 3 or 4 years and the old version doesn't work with Tru64 V5.1.d  ' I would DIE for LSE in Un*x land !!!!!!     H ************************************************************************   Hey Q are you listening !!  1 There are people here waving checkbooks at you !!i  H ************************************************************************    
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