1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 18 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 705       Contents:+ Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash" = Re: %SYSINIT-E, error mounting system device, status=0072832C 8 (Just to remember - Proliant DL 360 x Alphaserver DS10L) ACMS & Codasyl database  Re: ACMS & Codasyl database # Re: DEC multinational character set # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster  emacs 20 again$ Re: File conversion (RMS->stream-lf)C FILESERV@WKU: GAWK, PERF_METER, SAFETY, SDCL, FTP_MIRROR, MAILCOUNT   Re: Free compiler to Alphaserver  Re: Free compiler to Alphaserver1 Re: HELP - DCPS RAWE TCP and Printer/Server Hangs % RE: Mail Maintenance Routine Question  Mem file Re: Mem file" Re: No OpenGL extension on Display Re: Opera (was Mozilla 0.6)  Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)  Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)  Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)  Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)   Re: patch question (7.2-1 ALPHA)  Re: Possible shared SCSI problem Re: puzzled by patches Re: puzzled by patches* Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooled. Re: Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooled. Re: Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooled. Re: Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooled. Re: Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooled Re: RDB and a web browser  RE: RIP LN03, 1987-2000  Re: shadowing and clusters RE: soon enough?C Re: standalone backup, disk-saveset image backups, and cluster size & START/QUE/SEARCh command.....Need help Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: UCX Bug  Re: UCX Bug  Re: UCX Bug ' VMS / C - writing a server + admin util + Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util  VMS printer logicals?  Re: VMS printer logicals? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? & Re: when is SYS$NODE normally defined?& Re: when is SYS$NODE normally defined? X terminal for MAC ? Re: X terminal for MAC ? Re: X terminal for MAC ?  Re: XP1000 - which Graphics Card  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:55:18 GMT  From: david_dawkins@my-deja.com 4 Subject: Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash") Message-ID: <91l504$kdb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Brian Schenkenberger wrote: 7 > I find it difficult to believe that there is no trace  > information at all% > from the original poster's process.   . Absolutely none. Not even an accounting entry.   > I'd suggest rebuilding
 > the program @ > and produce full-blown .LISting and .MAP files.  Then, look at > the loca- F > tions in any trace that is available and reconcile with these files.  F If only I could get a trace. Any ideas? Bear in mind that I've alreadyA taken and implemented advice from VMS heavyweights, including all C the obvious stuff (/DUMP, quotas etc) and some not quite so obvious , (an exception handler that fcloses(stderr)).   David      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:10:23 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>F Subject: Re: %SYSINIT-E, error mounting system device, status=0072832C+ Message-ID: <91krat$skm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   I "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message ( news:91dh0m$q9d$1@reader1.imaginet.fr...E > %MOUNT-F-DIFVOLMNT, different volume already mounted on this device   R You can get this if you modify a disk offline while it is still mounted on anotherO node in a cluster. For example, doing a standalone upgrade from CD of a cluster Q node. Dismounting from the other nodes (ideally before the upgrade) might fix it.  That might be the case here.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:39:30 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br A Subject: (Just to remember - Proliant DL 360 x Alphaserver DS10L) L Message-ID: <OF6EFAB3A3.1D5A7C2B-ON032569B9.0060E1FB@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J When Compaq is planning to ship DS10s or DS?? with hot-plugable disks ????   Regards    FC      7 ---------------------- Encaminhado por Fabio dos Santos 3       Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada em 18/12/2000 14:38 D       ---------------------------De:     Fabio dos Santos Cardoso em       06/10/2000 08:10             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       , Assunto: Proliant DL 360 x Alphaserver DS10L    [ Just to discuss, why Compaq dont integrate more the cabinets of Intel and Alpha servers ???   V For example, the Proliant DL 360 have two hot-plugable hard disks....looks like CompaqB is interested to make technical  improvments of the Intel servers.  C http://www5.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10530_div/10530_div.html     . And the DS10L has the hard disk internally ...  A http://www5.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10551_na/10551_na.html    Reg. FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:06:33 +0100 . From: Francis ANDRE <francis.andre@easynet.fr>  Subject: ACMS & Codasyl database* Message-ID: <3A3E0BD9.F811E111@easynet.fr>   Hello There   C I am looking for information about ACMS and a Codasyl database that  should have / been implemented on VMS. Anyone could help me??    Thank you in advance  
 Francis ANDRE    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 09:10:57 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: ACMS & Codasyl database+ Message-ID: <bb4rrikFAKX$@eisner.decus.org>   [ In article <3A3E0BD9.F811E111@easynet.fr>, Francis ANDRE <francis.andre@easynet.fr> writes: 
 > Hello There  > E > I am looking for information about ACMS and a Codasyl database that 
 > should have 1 > been implemented on VMS. Anyone could help me??   C DEC DBMS was sold to Oracle along with Rdb.  They still support it, C proving that it _is_ possible to market something less than Rdb :-) E If you have trouble convincing Oracle representatives that it exists, A first find an Oracle representative who believes that Rdb exists. @ The Codasyl database (I don't know Oracle's name for it) is used@ in semiconductor fabrication plans at various companies (as well as elsewhere).  / ACMS is still sold by Compaq, so far as I know.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 14:56:02 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: DEC multinational character set6 Message-ID: <91l8i2$g9h$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <91g6je$f20$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: 6 :In article <91g5ik$k2a$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,4 :fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: ? :> DEC MCS corresponds to ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 except...   ; :I just realised that compose-r-o does the trademark sign,  ; :but this is NOT in the DEC multinational set.  What gives?   J   Standards committees seemingly rarely approve anything that is specific J   to a particular vendor's current implementation -- without requiring at I   least a few changes to the implementation.  Vendors can obviously also  L   "reverse" this approach, and submit a subset or slight variation of their J   product environment approved as a standard.  (In this case, the DEC MCS 9   characterset predates the ISO 8859-1 Latin-1 standard.)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 16:30:38 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster6 Message-ID: <91le3e$h6q$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  b In article <87u285b569.fsf_-_@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  6 :...What IS the diffence between a DS20 and a DS20E...  G   Among other differences, the AlphaServer DS20E enclosure can be more  G   easily rack-mounted, includes a multi-mode (LVD SCSI) backplane, n+1  D   (three) power supplies, and an on-board Adaptec SCSI controller.  E   Further, the AlphaServer DS20E enclosure also specifically targets     the use of faster CPUs.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 17:17:02 GMT From: jfc@mit.edu (John F Carr) , Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster8 Message-ID: <3a3e468e$0$29566@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>  J In article <91le3e$h6q$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:  F >  Further, the AlphaServer DS20E enclosure also specifically targets  >  the use of faster CPUs.   Does "faster" mean "hotter"?   --       John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 13:51:07 GMT9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>  Subject: emacs 20 again 3 Message-ID: <977147701.485789@tornado.itea.ntnu.no>    Hi  + Is anything happening with Emacs 20 on VMS?   D I tried with configure on gnv 0.3 (cc wrapper does not work, and had= to modify configure a bit), but there were some problems with D stdin/stdout/stderr redirecting, so configure did not work properly.  F I then tried with ordinary DCL and borrowing mms-files and other files from a 19_28 compile.   % After a while, I got it compiled, and ' mcr [-.vms]temacs -batch -l loadup dump  dumped a little dump file.  M Running emacs via kepteditor with -nw gives a bare impure emacs with no lisp.    mcr [-.vms]temacs -l loadup . manages to load most, but fails after a while.  4 Is it worth going through with this? (I am not sure)   -  Roar Throns   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:57:07 -0000 - From: "Michael Worsley" <mjw@praxis-cs.co.uk> - Subject: Re: File conversion (RMS->stream-lf) 4 Message-ID: <91kqkb$4jpoa$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>  7 Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net> wrote in message 2 news:3a3ac2b2$0$30004$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net...  K > I would **ASSUME** that the output files are Sequential, Variable Length, L > Carriage Return Carriage Control.  I don't recall the exact format of this file, H > but I believe they start with a two byte record length followed by the data. H > There may be a null pad character at the end to make it come out on an	 even byte 4 > count.  Use DUMP/BYTE to confirm what I just said. > L > Writing a C program on your Unix box to convert this one type of RMS filesJ > should be simple.  Just remember, after you have read the record and are writing = > it back out, to add a "newline" at the end of the record !!   I Thank you to all who have replied, including those who replied directly .   J Yes, the majority of the files are variable-length, sequential CR carriage control files.  K Now that I know the file format (2-byte header, null-padded) it is indeed a B simple enough step to write a little utility to do the conversion.  E One (hopefully final) question: what is the file format of VFC, print F control carriage control files? I'm still having a little trouble with@ these - stray characters are appearing at the end of the line...   -- Michael Worsley  SPARK Development Team Praxis Critical Systems Ltd    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:03:31 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) L Subject: FILESERV@WKU: GAWK, PERF_METER, SAFETY, SDCL, FTP_MIRROR, MAILCOUNT/ Message-ID: <3a3e183c.4032117@swen.process.com>   F I've been remiss in sending out announcements of FILESERV@WKU updates.E The following additions and updates have been made in the past couple 
 of months:       o  GAWK (Updated 16-DEC-2000)  B         GAWK (GNU Awk) V3.0.6 is now available.  This distribution@         includes binaries for both VAX and Alpha.  Thanks to Pat         Rankin.   $    o PERF_METER (Updated 9-NOV-2000)  E         An update to the Motif application PERF_METER, which displays =         performance information for a system.  Thanks to Phil 	 Ottewell.        o SAFETY015 (New 18-OCT-2000)  A         Glenn Everhart's SAFETY package for OpenVMS, which, among C         other things, increases file system security and provides a B         "Trash bin" for VMS, allowing for easy undeletes of files.      o SDCL (New 18-OCT-2000)   :         Dick Munroe's SDCL is a "Structured DCL Compiler."  %    o FTP_MIRROR (Updated 18-OCT-2000)   B         FTP_MIRROR is a DCL procedure that lets VMS systems mirrorB         other VMS- or UNIX-based FTP sites.  This version includesB         support for the UCX FTP client.  Thanks to Dick Munroe and         Martin P.J. Zinser.   $    o MAILCOUNT (Updated 28-SEP-2000)  ;         MAILCOUNT matches up mail messages in MAIL.MAI with C         the external MAIL$*.MAI files, showing you any orphan files A         or messages.  This version includes a couple of fixes for          OpenVMS Alpha.    A You can find all of these packages and many more using one of the  following URLs:   %     http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/      ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/&     ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/"     ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/  B More mirrrors can be found on the FILESERV homepage (the first URL above).    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 14:14:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: Free compiler to Alphaserver 6 Message-ID: <91l64t$fq1$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  i In article <001801c06717$edc519c0$2249e7c8@valdemir>, "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> writes: - :This is a multi-part message in MIME format.      Please disable MIME.    E   Please also remember that the use of multiple-repeated punctuation  -   characters tends to be interpreted as spam.   	   Thanks.   L :...Is there any free compiler to use in my Alphaserver with OpenVMS V7.2...  E   Hobbyist, yes.  A full suite of tools is available with the OpenVMS    Hobbyist program.   A   Commercial product development, a suite of tools (and hardware  )   discounts) is available to CSA members.   G   Macro32 (part of OpenVMS), Bliss (Freeware), Java (part of OpenVMS),  F   and Macro64 (Freeware) are available to all users.  (Pedant notice: E   Yes, I know two of these packages are not technically "compilers".)   <   Various compiler packages such as GCC are around, as well.   	--   A   If somebody here can put together a list of the free compilers  D   (including the URLs, if available), I'll get it added to the next :   OpenVMS FAQ.  (Which I'm shipping out later this month.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 10:15:02 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)) Subject: Re: Free compiler to Alphaserver + Message-ID: <pc$2KbjVNXav@eisner.decus.org>   i In article <001801c06717$edc519c0$2249e7c8@valdemir>, "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> writes: . > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  6   1) please turn off MIME when posting to comp.os.vms.   > I > Is there any free compiler to use in my Alphaserver with OpenVMS V7.2 =  > ???  >   E Several.  OpenVMS on your Alpha ships with the Macro-32 compiler (not F assembler).  gcc is available from the net somewhere.  You can get the@ BLISS compiler or the Macro-64 assembler from the freeware disk.  > Start with the FAQ and the freeware at www.openvms.compaq.com.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 17:33:54 GMT& From: "Rick Cadruvi" <rick@rdperf.com>: Subject: Re: HELP - DCPS RAWE TCP and Printer/Server Hangs0 Message-ID: <91lhq2$dce@dispatch.concentric.net>  E Thanks, Phil.  I will try this.  I don't think the print server has a- timeout-& that I can seet, but the printer does.  C If anyojne has any other suggestions, I am open tto those as wel.l.a     Rick Cadruvi...  > >-K > We have experienced similar problems with other HP printers and Jetdirectd > cards.F > Though it is not a complete solution we reduced the frequency of the problem6I > by increasing the timeout parameter on the jet cards from the 90 secondo > default to 300 seconds.t > Phil >r >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:45:55 +0100 5 From: "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> . Subject: RE: Mail Maintenance Routine Question. Message-ID: <E1483QB-0000jb-00@gwdu42.gwdg.de>  : Ira Melamed <MELAMEIS@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU> writes:K > I have hit a problem in trying to develop a DCL batch procedure to delete   > mail from a group of accounts. >[...] > $ mail! >  set file disk$admin:[username]. >  select NEWMAILn% >  dir/from=<sender1>/before="-30-00" 
 >  delete/all  >  purge/reclaim > $ exit  6 If you combine the SELECT and the DIR into one commandC (i.e. `dir NEWMAIL/from=<sender1>/before="-30-00"' or `select ...')d; no false selection will occur, and no files will be deletedi% if the select command finds no files.t  M Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.detM GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claim intended! M http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org>h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:33:06 +0200-2 From: Andre Alberts <alberts.andre@columbus.co.za> Subject: Mem filew; Message-ID: <00e101c068ff$70ae6380$5a2b73a0@columbus.co.za>-   Please helpD     If 'n have in a memory filef  
 struct /name/P Integer*2 name(1:4)o   what does the (1:4) mean  & and where can i get info on mem files.   No 2:.@ say i what to use lib$movc3( 7,from a structure, to a structure) how would it be done.a  
 Andre Albertse Engineer in Training Columbus Stainless alberts.andre@columbus.co.za  C Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with  confidence.a   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 11:10:18 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Mem file + Message-ID: <OQbm5tt1M0tC@eisner.decus.org>e  p In article <00e101c068ff$70ae6380$5a2b73a0@columbus.co.za>, Andre Alberts <alberts.andre@columbus.co.za> writes:
 > Please helpn >  >  > If 'n have in a memory file  >  > struct /name/h > Integer*2 name(1:4)t >  > what does the (1:4) mean  F Fortran?  If so (1:4) means the array has indexes 1,2, 3, and 4.  This is the same as    Integer*2 name(4)D since 1 is the default start index, but other values could have been used.p   > ( > and where can i get info on mem files.  >   You tell us.  There's no VMS convention for a file type mem.   > No 2:oB > say i what to use lib$movc3( 7,from a structure, to a structure) > how would it be done.s  C   help trl lib$ lib$movc3.  And tell us what language you're really (   programming so we don't have to guess.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationL= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupTE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:10:09 -0500n5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>n+ Subject: Re: No OpenGL extension on Display , Message-ID: <91lge7$6a69$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  3 I'll repeat what Mr Mathog says,  in another way...V  J OpenGL requires a supported adapter, the ELSA card is not one of them.  IfG you can find an older 4D20, or ZLXp-L, or even a 3D30 - then the OpenGLd stuff will work.  J If you want to use OpenGL apps on a non-3D-enabled card, I would recommend& MesaGL and the GLUT freeware packages.   _Fredt     Nakamura Tamo wrote in message7 <20001216071245.93177.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com>...u >Dear Readers, > 6 >I wish to use OpenGL programming environment on a DEC7 >Alpha 500 with the Open VMS hobbiest licences.  When Ii7 >try to run the IVP program I select the default deviceF3 >and the IVP attempts to run.  But it fails statingR >thatC" >"No OpenGL extension on Display". >r3 >I can compile all the example code in sys$examplese >with the open GLX includes. >o/ >I have the OPENVMS-ALPHA and DW-MOTIF licences 5 >registed.  I have the following software and patches  >installed.  >  >Open VMS 7.2-1a >VMS721-UPDATE-V0100 >VMS721-GRAPHICS-V03002 >DW Motif 1.24  (I had the same problem with 1.25) >Digital Open3D version 4.9A >.7 >I have an Elsa Gloria Gloria graphics (PBXGK-BB)  Whenp5 >I run $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM CLUE CONFIG I see that the OSd5 >thinks the card is a Powerstorm 4D10T.  I cannot seet) >details about the card at console level./ >.6 >I have made the changes to the system account and the6 >private_server_setup.com for quotas as suggest in the6 >Open3D install guide.  The DECwindows interface works. >okay.  The DECWindows output device is GZA0:. >e5 >Is the graphics card supported by OpenGL and the X11 2 >server extension GLX?  I thought so, but I am not >sure. >l5 >Is OPEN3D covered under the hobbiest licence scheme?t- >I cannot see a licence on the list for that.r > 6 >If it is supportted what have I done wrong.  I am not6 >very experienced in adminstration and installation of >software onto VMS.F > 5 >I look forward to any suggestions that can be given.l >0 >Thanks for your help. >a >c ><L >___________________________________________________________________________ __H >http://au.yahoo.com/shopping/giftguide/christmas/jumppage.html - Yahoo! Gift Guides  >- Looking for inspiration?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:28:51 +0100r  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>$ Subject: Re: Opera (was Mozilla 0.6)+ Message-ID: <VA.000001ec.14c3baa5@sture.ch>o  C In article <3A3DD996.66BD8185@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman wrote:o4 > From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsa& > Subject: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)' > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:32:06 +0000B > H > Sounds like we could have a while longer to wait before we can get rid > of netscape 3.03.P > F > Has anyone looked at Opera (now free) ? Is there any mileage there ? > G Yes I'm running Opera on my NT and Linux boxes. The Windows version is  H free, with (fairly unobtrusive) adware, 39 USD (IIRC) for the non-adwareH version. The Linux version is a 30 day timed trial. Add on licenses are  cheaper.  C One immediate advantage I've seen with Opera over Netscape is that -B hitting the back button with Netscape usually initiates a dialup, H whereas Opera brings it back from cache. That's saving my phone bill :-)  F Another problem I've seen with Netscape 3.03, which I also see on the I Linux version, is that after my dialup connection has timed out and hung eG up, the thing is repeatedly dialling out again. I _really_ do not like 7I that! (and yes, I have disabled the default 10 minute check for mail). I  0 don't see that problem with the Windows version.  D But back to Opera. I haven't got anywhere near to exploring all its I features (a couple of notable features I have spotted are the ability to  D resume downloads, and that it keeps a log of download statistics by I file), but it has a solid and efficient feel, and is fast. Some problems cH certainly, as it messed up the layout of one of the README files in the 3 VMS patch area. Needless to say I've reported that.v  I The really interesting bit of course is their aim to support multiple OS -G platforms. Naturally this is driven by funding, and therefore numbers, oF but I certainly wouldn't mind paying for a VMS version. That probably A needs quite a lot of us expressing an interest, and maybe Compaq   involvement too.   ___-
 Paul Sture Switzerland0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:32:06 +0000 2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>$ Subject: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6). Message-ID: <3A3DD996.66BD8185@CCAgroup.co.uk>  F Sounds like we could have a while longer to wait before we can get rid of netscape 3.03.e  D Has anyone looked at Opera (now free) ? Is there any mileage there ?   Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 11:03:02 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)* Message-ID: <3a3de0d6$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  c In article <3A3DD996.66BD8185@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes:lG >Sounds like we could have a while longer to wait before we can get rid  >of netscape 3.03.  I As one expected already two of three years ago, when DEQ made their plansPI public to NOT port the NETSCAPE V4. But NO, they didn't want to listen...   E >Has anyone looked at Opera (now free) ? Is there any mileage there ?   > Yup (but only a very short look). It doesn't run on OpenVMS...   -- r< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888l< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 16:22:22 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)( Subject: Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6), Message-ID: <91ldju$na0@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  c In article <3A3DD996.66BD8185@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes:tG >Sounds like we could have a while longer to wait before we can get ridu >of netscape 3.03.  ) Feels like waiting for Godot, doesn't it?    >uE >Has anyone looked at Opera (now free) ? Is there any mileage there ?   G I have not tried it.  Reviews of version 5 have been very good but it'soK only available for windows at this time.  Earlier versions ran on top of QtiC 2.2.2 on Linux for x86 and ppc.  There has never been a Linux/AlphaLJ version. There's a version of Qt around for VMS somewhere, and the lack ofJ a Linux/Alpha version is doubtless a result of the majority of Alpha/LinuxI boxes running in compute clusters and so not generating much demand for aGL browser.  It does look like the port to VMS should be possible technically.   H I couldn't find on their web site any indication that they'll undertake H custom ports but it does sound like they're running on a shoestring and I so would be likely to do it for a reasonably small sum of money (or maybe J even a substantial hardware donation.)  The free version of 5.0 has bannerK ads, which I don't think would be acceptable on any commercial VMS machine,r* however their pricing schedule isn't bad:   *    http://www.opera.com/order/pricing.html  I It starts at $39/$20 for single user commercial/educational and goes downaC to $8/$4 at the 10000 unit level.  I'm guessing wildly here, but aneJ investment of $100k ($80k in cash and $20k in DS10 hardware, write off theA compiler costs) might be enough to get the port done, and anothernI investment of $60k would probably be enough to let Compaq ship Opera with J the OS.  After all, besides the money, Opera does obtain a key "win" here,F beating out both Netscape and IE to become the chosen browser for thisE platform.  If Compaq was really on the ball it would obtain Tru64 andtK Linux/Alpha ports at the same time.  Odds are that with a reasonably small J: set of ifdef's they'd all build from the same source code!  I Digital gave Microsoft half their business and didn't obtain IE or Office L on their platforms in return.  Maybe Compaq will be savvy enough to just payE Opera the tiny sums likely involved here and actually get some usefulsI software in return.  If past experience is any kind of indicator we couldiD easily have a working Opera for VMS long before we ever see a stable Mozilla again. b  G Can the folks in the VMS group at Compaq please consider this strategy?0   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech L   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 17:54:50 +0100T From: pmoreau@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)( Subject: Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)! Message-ID: <JAhzFeUDMNfb@gaelic>S  / In article <3A3DD996.66BD8185@CCAgroup.co.uk>, 04 Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes:H > Sounds like we could have a while longer to wait before we can get rid > of netscape 3.03.u > F > Has anyone looked at Opera (now free) ? Is there any mileage there ?  N You also have Mosaic 3.6-2 with frames and tables support. Very good for sitesH without Java and Javascript. Generally better display than Netscape 3.03> (without speaking of a far better 8 bits color dithering ...).  1 You can find it at ftp://wvnvms.wvnet.edu/mosaic/d   Patrickv --O ===============================================================================pO pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)-4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================l   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:01:32 GMTy1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>o) Subject: Re: patch question (7.2-1 ALPHA)e2 Message-ID: <3A3E2818.11BDF8D6@clarityconnect.com>  C You have an older version of the summary for this kit.  The current  summary has the following text        Kit Dependencies:  =        The following remedial kit(s) must be installed BEFORE          installation of this kit:            VMS721_PCSI-V0100          VMS721_UPDATE-V0100  =        In order to receive all the corrections listed in thisaA        kit, the following remedial kits should also be installed:i            VMS721_MOUNT96-V0100y          VMS721_DRIVER-V0100!          VMS721_FIBRE_SCSI-V0100 n     Phillip Helbig wrote:  >  > VMS721_BACKUP-V0100: > J >      3.2  In order to receive all the corrections listed  in  this  kit,A >           the following remedial kits should also be installed:a >  >       o  VMS721_MOUNT-V0100a > ' > However, VMS721_MOUNT-V0100 is not ats > @ >    ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1 > , > There is VMS721_MOUNT96-V0100 but it says: > ! > 2  KITS SUPERSEDED BY THIS KIT:  >  >      None. > 
 > What gives?o   -- eD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:50:56 -0500r& From: Donald G Plugge <plugge@usa.net>) Subject: Re: Possible shared SCSI problemt' Message-ID: <3A3E3FE3.39532679@usa.net>   J I resolved the system delay issue.  My shared SCSI system disk contained aK page and swap file for each of the two shared SCSI nodes.  I moved the pagenI and swap file for the problem node over to the non-shared, internal drives and the problem disappeared.   Donald G Plugge    Uwe Zessin wrote:-  ) > In article <3A27CE60.32FD0291@usa.net>,- >   plugge@usa.net wrote:nE > > I have two DS10's sharing a SCSI bus on which the system drive is-F > > located.  The DS10's have been configured into my existing clusterF > > comprised of a VAX 3800 and 3 DEC3000's.  One DS10 is working justH > > fine while the other is experiencing what I believe are SCSI delays.H > > The only reason I say that is because I've noticed the same symptomsG > > when I have an improperly terminated SCSI bus.  Basically, the node0F > > pauses or delays during interactive commands.  For instance, I can > > issue a: > >r > > $ show dev d > > E > > command and see a brief delay midway through the output.  At somenH > > times the screen freezes for up to 7 or 8 seconds, then finishes itsG > > listing. My other node has no such delay, nor do any other nodes in-C > > the cluster. The two DS10's are configured in a similar fashioneF > > excluding unique SCS and CLUSTER settings.  Below is a descriptionF > > of my configuration.  The SCSI cabling is straight COMPAQ with all8 > > the correct Y adapters, host cables and terminators. > >oG > > Has anyone else noticed this type of behavior on a shared SCSI bus?e > >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:20:47 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>  Subject: Re: puzzled by patches02 Message-ID: <3A3E2C9B.59F66F37@clarityconnect.com>  B At this time the kit has not been released to the general public. ? Contracted support customers may contact their CSC to receive aRF workaround; non-contracted and/or hobbyist users will have to wait for? the official solution to be delivered via the patch sites.  OuruB apologizes in advance for any difficulty this is creating for you.   Phillip Helbig wrote:s > G > I tried to install the newest TCPIP ECO for VAX, but it fails since IuH > need a newer PCSI.  However, I couldn't find this in the obvious place > ? >    ftp://ftp1.service.digital.com/patches/public/vms/vax/v7.2  > % > Also, for CC on ALPHA, the patch ate > E >    ftp://ftp1.service.digital.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v7.2/c/6.25 > I > fails because it says that it can't find saveset B.  Is there something 
 > missing? > G > Note that the latter is under 7.2, not 7.2-1.  However, I assume thateF > the compiler patch should be applied if it is running under 7.2-1 as > well---right?1 > I > In general, shouldn't the directories for each operatingsystem versionsmE > contain directories for ALL compilers etc which can run under those H > operating-system versions?  In general, this seems to be the case, butE > as mentioned above for C (and also for ADA) it seems to be that not 0 > everything is visible everywhere it should be.   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:53:49 -0600:1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>e Subject: Re: puzzled by patchesg8 Message-ID: <91linv$57h$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  1 While we're on the puzzled by patches subject....e   Seems as if the patches on8 http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtmlK haven't had an update since 5-DEC-2000.  My guess is there have indeed been  updates since then.?   Wonder what's going on here.   Dave...,  < "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote in message, news:3A3E2C9B.59F66F37@clarityconnect.com...C > At this time the kit has not been released to the general public.eA > Contracted support customers may contact their CSC to receive a.H > workaround; non-contracted and/or hobbyist users will have to wait forA > the official solution to be delivered via the patch sites.  Our D > apologizes in advance for any difficulty this is creating for you. >u > Phillip Helbig wrote:- > >-I > > I tried to install the newest TCPIP ECO for VAX, but it fails since I J > > need a newer PCSI.  However, I couldn't find this in the obvious place > >eA > >    ftp://ftp1.service.digital.com/patches/public/vms/vax/v7.2  > >m' > > Also, for CC on ALPHA, the patch at- > >-G > >    ftp://ftp1.service.digital.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v7.2/c/6.2e > >gK > > fails because it says that it can't find saveset B.  Is there somethingD > > missing? > >aI > > Note that the latter is under 7.2, not 7.2-1.  However, I assume thatpH > > the compiler patch should be applied if it is running under 7.2-1 as > > well---right?e > >0K > > In general, shouldn't the directories for each operatingsystem versionsnG > > contain directories for ALL compilers etc which can run under thoseaJ > > operating-system versions?  In general, this seems to be the case, butG > > as mentioned above for C (and also for ADA) it seems to be that not,2 > > everything is visible everywhere it should be. >a > --F > Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY/ > - jilly@clarityconnect.com - Brett Bodine fant- > - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com - since 1975 or so - > - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:53:57 +0100c+ From: Jimmi Aakjaer <aakjaer@post7.tele.dk>M3 Subject: Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooledw8 Message-ID: <f0gr3t8amb1el98f4fnsst7fttr85p3g3f@4ax.com>   Hi GuysV  > Can anyone tell me how to make a telnet printer queue spooled.  B I need this because some of my applications writes to a printer on? another node via DECNET (Node::QUEUENAME:) this works fine withE spooled LAT queues.e   TIAt  
 Jimmi Aakjaer    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:25:25 +0100l5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>a7 Subject: Re: Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooledn- Message-ID: <3A3DC9F5.540E34D1@whitehouse.nl>t   Jimmi Aakjaer wrote: > 	 > Hi Guyst > @ > Can anyone tell me how to make a telnet printer queue spooled. > D > I need this because some of my applications writes to a printer onA > another node via DECNET (Node::QUEUENAME:) this works fine with  > spooled LAT queues.s  F You can still use a lta device and spool it the same way. The ltdriverH won't be used this way and the jobs get printed via the telnet symbiont.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:54:44 +0100c+ From: Jimmi Aakjaer <aakjaer@post7.tele.dk>_7 Subject: Re: Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooledo8 Message-ID: <i0kr3tgrhghd36im75lop40ov4u98dep93@4ax.com>  3 On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:25:25 +0100, Oswald Knoppers-& <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> wrote:   >Jimmi Aakjaer wrote:r >> a
 >> Hi Guys >> uA >> Can anyone tell me how to make a telnet printer queue spooled.1 >> cE >> I need this because some of my applications writes to a printer onsB >> another node via DECNET (Node::QUEUENAME:) this works fine with >> spooled LAT queues. >mG >You can still use a lta device and spool it the same way. The ltdriver2I >won't be used this way and the jobs get printed via the telnet symbiont.e >n	 >Regards,  >n >Oswald.  C By using telnet /create_session or how do connect a LTA device to ae telnet queue ??    Jimmin   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:07:29 +0100r+ From: Jimmi Aakjaer <aakjaer@post7.tele.dk> 7 Subject: Re: Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooledt8 Message-ID: <rmkr3t0j3i6prb1plo0cpvmv9c2jmi6259@4ax.com>  1 On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:54:44 +0100, Jimmi Aakjaeri <aakjaer@post7.tele.dk> wrote:  4 >On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:25:25 +0100, Oswald Knoppers' ><Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> wrote:  >l >>Jimmi Aakjaer wrote: >>>  >>> Hi Guysc >>> B >>> Can anyone tell me how to make a telnet printer queue spooled. >>> F >>> I need this because some of my applications writes to a printer onC >>> another node via DECNET (Node::QUEUENAME:) this works fine with  >>> spooled LAT queues.o >>H >>You can still use a lta device and spool it the same way. The ltdriverJ >>won't be used this way and the jobs get printed via the telnet symbiont. >>
 >>Regards, >> >>Oswald >eD >By using telnet /create_session or how do connect a LTA device to a >telnet queue ?? >  >Jimmi   Hi again   I have solved the problemn $s	 $MC latcp  create port ltaXXXX, exit $s) $set dev ltXXXX /spooled=TELNET_QUEUENAMEs   THANKS   Jimmi    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 17:47:13 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: Q: How do i make a TELNETSYM queue spooledr6 Message-ID: <91lij1$hv4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  f In article <f0gr3t8amb1el98f4fnsst7fttr85p3g3f@4ax.com>, Jimmi Aakjaer <aakjaer@post7.tele.dk> writes:  ? :Can anyone tell me how to make a telnet printer queue spooled.-  A   I assume you want to have a TN-class telnet device set up as a hB   spooled device, akin to what you can do with an LT-class device.C   If so, please see the "reverse telnet" discussions in the OpenVMS    Ask The Wizard area:  )     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/p  C :I need this because some of my applications writes to a printer one@ :another node via DECNET (Node::QUEUENAME:) this works fine with :spooled LAT queues.  C   You can also (obviously) update the application to submit to the eB   local queue, and set up the queue to target the network printer.?   Or you can set up a relay queue on the local node, either viar$   IP protocols, DQS, or otherwise...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 14:21:26 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: RDB and a web browser6 Message-ID: <91l6h6$fq1$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  m In article <8IF_5.3017$%v1.94462@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@noospammm.met.co.nz> writes: E :Anyone managed to get a web browser changing their rdb database yet?p  4   That depends greatly on what you mean by "change".  , :Im interested in setting up an easy way for' :someone to be able to change things in6$ :an RDB database without knowing any :sql  *   Take a look at the Oracle Rdb web tools.  C   Depending on what you are up to, CGI would be another approach...c  A   (If you are familiar with writing output from within a program,C*   congradulations, you can program CGI...)  C   Perl and other languages common in the web space -- and yes, DCL .G   can be used as a CGI scripting language -- have access to databases, aE   including Rdb.  (I've included examples of using DCL for CGI accessiF   in the "Writing Real Programs in DCL" book, though I do not include    any examples of using Rdb...)   1 :I have heard of Attunity, but that is about all.d  D   There are ODBC and JDBC packages listed in the OpenVMS FAQ and at D   the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard (ATW) website -- these packages and theB   associated approach tend to differ from a CGI ("classic" CGI or K   API-based) communications with the local web server running on OpenVMS...e    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:28:17 -0600i* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>  Subject: RE: RIP LN03, 1987-2000- Message-ID: <0033000011567419000002L092*@MHS>    =0A-----Original Message----- / From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe) Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 3:46 AMh6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RIP LN03, 1987-2000    H My old LN03-plus, which had taken retirement some years ago, went peace= fullyy5 tonight. With my 9 year old newphew, I took it apart.2  @ This trusted heavy box had printed 124923 pages in its lifetime.  H I had been told that there was a concrete boock in it to provide the vi= brationtH resistance. But alas, after tearing its guts out, I found out this was = notaH true... The main motor is pretty heavy though. And boy, there were a lo= t of screws in that puppy.     H Once it was gutted, the outside casing was cleaned and re-assembled and=  wille$ now serve as a foot-rest :-) :-) :-)  H Now, I have to fogure out a way to power the laser.. since it is IR, ma= ybe IaH could use it to melt the snow on the driveway... Is there anmy chance t= hat it" would alctually emit a red light ?  2 The lenses and rotating mirro are interesting too.  0 May the LN03 allow my feet to rest in peace :-)=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:06:38 +0100i2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de># Subject: Re: shadowing and clusters + Message-ID: <3A3E27FE.6040209@arcormail.de>o  
 Hi Adrian,  3 well, these are the things shadowsets are made for!.5 There is no need to expect any hassle, except shadow-o5 copying after rejoining (=simply mounting) the shadow-5 sets. We have a similar configuration with five nodesa and do this all the time.O   Regards, Thomas.  
 witchy wrote:)   > Hi folks,O > F > I'm doing a VMS upgrade on tuesday from 7.1 to 7.2-1 that involves a@ > cluster (over fast FD ethernet) and shadowed disk sets betweenG > buildings. It's a 3 node cluster with the 3rd node (Alphastation 255) D > purely acting as a quorum node. I've already done the main machineE > (Alpha 4000) overnight but I want to do the other 2 during the day. D > The customer has agreed to move everyone on the 2nd machine (AlphaG > 2000) onto the main one for the day so I can shut one machine down att: > a time to upgrade, leaving the other to maintain quorum. > D > The question is, will the 4000 be upset when its shadowing partnerF > vanishes? I don't want to touch that one at all; simply dismount theF > disks on the 2000 then shut it down and upgrade. Patching afterwardsE > would be done as a standalone machine with shadowing and clusteringE! > turned off, and a minimum boot./ > G > I'm pretty sure the 4000 will be fine and the 2000 will rejoin things G > afterwards and catch up on the shadowset once it rejoins the cluster, E > but I just thought I'd check first! It's a big customer and I don'tm! > want to make an arse of things!a >  > cheers > -- > Adrian/Witchy=? > www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - Goth and alternative 80's disco-B > www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - home of the 80's Computer Collection4 > Remove bangs from header's email address to reply.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:09:49 -0500c4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com> Subject: RE: soon enough? J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D85089089F7@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06904.938C9AE8l Content-Type: text/plain;t 	charset="iso-8859-1"o  B best one I've heard so far (I believe it was from "User Friendly")   Y2K - The Phantom Menace   -----Original Message-----6 From: helbig@astro.rug.nl [mailto:helbig@astro.rug.nl] Sent: December 16, 2000 4:48 PM3 To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  Subject: soon enough?      VMS721_ACRTL-V0200:   H       o  The problem commonly known as the "Y2038 bug" has  been  fixed.  H It seems that the Y2k problem was not as bad as feared (or everyone got 4 everything fixed on time); what about the Y2038 bug?  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06904.938C9AE8  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =i charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2651.65">- <TITLE>RE: soon enough?</TITLE>0 </HEAD>5 <BODY>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>best one I've heard so far (I believe it was from =S! &quot;User Friendly&quot;)</FONT>9 </P>  1 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Y2K - The Phantom Menace</FONT>s </P>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>c2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: helbig@astro.rug.nl [<A =I HREF=3D"mailto:helbig@astro.rug.nl">mailto:helbig@astro.rug.nl</A>]</FON=  T>9 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: December 16, 2000 4:48 PM</FONT>w3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com</FONT> / <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: soon enough?</FONT>  </P> <BR>  , <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS721_ACRTL-V0200:</FONT> </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; The problem =B commonly known as the &quot;Y2038 bug&quot; has&nbsp; been&nbsp; =
 fixed.</FONT>x </P>  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It seems that the Y2k problem was not as bad as =  feared (or everyone got </FONT>pD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>everything fixed on time); what about the Y2038 = bug?</FONT>  </P>   </BODY>d </HTML>e) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06904.938C9AE8--    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 14:35:47 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)L Subject: Re: standalone backup, disk-saveset image backups, and cluster size6 Message-ID: <91l7c3$g1k$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F With OpenVMS VAX V7.2 you can boot OpenVMS -- i.e. not just standaloneF backup -- frm the operating system CD-ROM.  If you don't have a CD andH you can get an image backup of the CD to one of your magnetic disks, youE can boot that disk just like the CD.  This will give you much greatere  capability than just S/A backup.  ? To do this you  must boot from root 1.  (Root 0 is S/a Backup.) J On my VAX test system system (VAXstation 3100 M76) the console command is:       >>> b dkb400 /r5:10000000d  - You may require a slightly different command.i   -- cK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA F          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:27:51 +0000c) From: Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie>o/ Subject: START/QUE/SEARCh command.....Need helpsL Message-ID: <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB011E9A@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>   All,  B We have a DCL menu facility for our clients, to restart printing a: report from a string, using the START/QUE/SEARCH commands.  H This was working fine, until recently we have moved our clients to Alpha? DS10, running VMS 7.2-1.  The print queue is a LAT print queue.   > When the users now use this facility, it puts the queue into aH "RESUMING" state, and brings the box to a grinding halt.  Usually beforeH this happens, we reboot the box, this also clears the state of the print queue.  B Is there a patch fix or bug fix for this problem, or is it a known problem with a work around.????          Regards,  
 Ray Phelan CORE Computer Consultants Ltd.,t 23 Upper Cork Street,l
 Mitchelstown,  Co. Cork, Ireland.   Phone :   353 - 25 - 84678 Fax     :   353 - 25 - 84016! E-mail  :  ray.phelan@core-com.iev   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:19:42 -0500v- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>c Subject: Re: Sun Cluster( Message-ID: <3A3E1CFC.3071F8EF@ohio.edu>  E Can you re-check your OZ sources on the reason for failing acceptance-K testing?  I heard a rumor it stayed up long enough but just ran too slowly.   #                                 RDPR     "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:-   > [snip]  M > Regrettably, the pointer hath disappeared. Kinda like the Sun press releasejK > of last summer when Sun won the APAC bid for a 200GFLOPS box in Canberra./L > That release disappeared when the four-pack of StarFires failed to stay upM > long enough to pass the qualification test (nice story about this in the Oze > press on 7 November).<   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:55:07 +0000c0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster* Message-ID: <3A3E416B.2C22A9B2@uk.sun.com>   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > 4 > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > J > > If you were putting together a list of speakers who a hall full of nonL > > Compaq technical people would come to listen to who would you put on the
 > > list ????H >  > Leslie Lamport > John Henning >   < Just as a test I tried your two names out on a room full of : people who included a number of OpenVMS administrators and: developers, the customers chief architect and a number of 0 other developer/system admin and security bods.   6 Sad to say none of them had a clue who Leslie Lamport 9 or John Henning are and on that basis could not be relied   on to turn up to listen to them.  7 Note the mixture, these are people who come from a wide 4 range of IT disciplines some of them with extensive 5 OpenVMS experience. Now my sample wasn't exactly huges 20 ish people.  6 Incedentally they all knew who James Gosling and Bill 6 Joy are and most knew who Whitfield Diffie is as well.  6 A quick trawl through the patents server also revealed6 no further information on Henning and two patents for 6 Lamport the most recent being one granted in 1993 when6 Digital was still Digital. Now of course people don't 9 need to have patents to their names to be interesting to  5 technical people. But then neither seems to have been7/ interviewed by Forbes or Business Week either.    9 BTW this is not ment to be a criticism of the two people 33 you have put up as the two speakers most likely to a
 draw a crowd.n   Regardsp Andrew Harrisont Enterprise IT Architectp   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:17:29 GMTE4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster; Message-ID: <JEr%5.11323$1t.347048@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>    > > 6 > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > >cL > > > If you were putting together a list of speakers who a hall full of nonJ > > > Compaq technical people would come to listen to who would you put on thel > > > list ????a > >e > > Leslie Lamport > > John Henning > >  >a= > Just as a test I tried your two names out on a room full ofo< > people who included a number of OpenVMS administrators and; > developers, the customers chief architect and a number ofi1 > other developer/system admin and security bods.y >d7 > Sad to say none of them had a clue who Leslie Lamport,; > or John Henning are and on that basis could not be relied " > on to turn up to listen to them. >a9 > Note the mixture, these are people who come from a widek5 > range of IT disciplines some of them with extensive37 > OpenVMS experience. Now my sample wasn't exactly huge2 > 20 ish people. >o7 > Incedentally they all knew who James Gosling and BillA8 > Joy are and most knew who Whitfield Diffie is as well. >   F Actually, Bill Joy would be a damn good choice. And then there's ScottI McNealy, whose Top Ten List is always good for a laff. As are his videos,T4 e.g. Jacque Cousteau Meets the Blue Screen of Death.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 13:44:39 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Subject: Re: Sun Cluster+ Message-ID: <7vAC4wmsj73b@eisner.decus.org>   ] In article <3A3E416B.2C22A9B2@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  > Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: >> -5 >> andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  >>  K >> > If you were putting together a list of speakers who a hall full of nonTM >> > Compaq technical people would come to listen to who would you put on the  >> > list ???? >> 9 >> Leslie Lamport  >> John Henningr >> 7 > > > Just as a test I tried your two names out on a room full of < > people who included a number of OpenVMS administrators and< > developers, the customers chief architect and a number of 2 > other developer/system admin and security bods.  > 8 > Sad to say none of them had a clue who Leslie Lamport ; > or John Henning are and on that basis could not be relied " > on to turn up to listen to them. > 9 > Note the mixture, these are people who come from a widea6 > range of IT disciplines some of them with extensive 7 > OpenVMS experience. Now my sample wasn't exactly huge  > 20 ish people. > 8 > Incedentally they all knew who James Gosling and Bill 8 > Joy are and most knew who Whitfield Diffie is as well. > 8 > A quick trawl through the patents server also revealed8 > no further information on Henning and two patents for 8 > Lamport the most recent being one granted in 1993 when8 > Digital was still Digital. Now of course people don't ; > need to have patents to their names to be interesting to u7 > technical people. But then neither seems to have beenc1 > interviewed by Forbes or Business Week either. t >   2 	From what I understand , Leslie Lamport is one of- 	"the brains" under Compaq employment.  True,n- 	he may not have a ton of patents to his namen2 	but he is a brilliant mind.  I submit his listing 	of publications as "proof" :u  B http://www.research.compaq.com/SRC/personal/lamport/pubs/pubs.html  8 	Since it appears from your criticism Leslie hasn't done7 	anything lately, perhaps a snippet from the end of hiss5 	list will be a good proof point of his capabilities:e    127.Disk Paxos  (with Eli Gafni)*      SRC Research Report 163 (July, 2000).5      Postscript   -   Compressed Postscript   -   PDFc  I In 1998, Jim Reuter of DEC's storage group asked me for a leader-electioneN algorithm for a network of processors and disks that they were designing.  TheF new wrinkle to the problem was that they wanted a system with only twoN processors to continue to operate if either processor failed.  We could assumeN that the system had at least three disks, so the idea was to find an algorithmM that achieved fault tolerance by replicating disks rather than processors.  IoM convinced them that they didn't want a leader-election protocol, but rather a.L distributed state-machine implementation (see [23]).  At the time, Eli GafniL was on sabbatical from UCLA and was consulting at SRC.  Together, we came upL with the algorithm described in this paper, which is a disk-based version of the Paxos algorithm of [115].     O Gafni devised the initial version of the algorithm, which didn't look much like N Paxos.  As we worked out the details, it evolved into its current form.  GafniO wanted a paper on the algorithm to follow the path with which the algorithm had N been developed, starting from his basic idea and deriving the final version byM a series of transformations.  We wrote the first version of the paper in thisbO way.  However, when trying to make it rigorous, I found that the transformationsJ steps weren't as simple as they had appeared.  I found the resulting paperN unsatisfactory, but we submitted it anyway to PODC'99, where it was rejected. N Gafni was then willing to let me do it my way, and I turned the paper into its current form.            6  128.Disk Paxos (Conference Version)  (with Eli Gafni)M      Distributed Computing: 14th International Conference, DISC 2000, Mauricei&      Herlihy, editor. Lecture Notes inC      Computer Science number 1914, Springer-Verlag, (2000) 330-344.r5      Postscript   -   Compressed Postscript   -   PDF-  8      This is the abridged conference version of [127].           O  129.When Does a Correct Mutual Exclusion Algorithm Guarantee Mutual Exclusion - (with Sharon Perl and William       Weihl)8>      To appear in Information Processing Letters (March 2000).5      Postscript   -   Compressed Postscript   -   PDF0  O Mutual exclusion is usually defined to mean that two processes are not in their.F critical section at the same time.  Something Dan Scales said during aH conversation made me suddenly realize that conventional mutual exclusionN algorithms do not satisfy that property.  I then conjectured how that propertyN could be satisfied, and Perl and Weihl proved that my conjecture was correct. N This paper explains why mutual exclusion had not previously been achieved, and1 how to achieve it--all in less than five pages.  t   ---e  A 	As you can see, he is a serious research scientist.  Perhaps you=? 	are after someone "lightweight?"  I submit a heavyweight namedhG 	Norm Jouppi for your consideration.  He is one of my favorites within   	Digital/Compaq:  5 http://research.compaq.com/wrl/people/jouppi/bio.htmlo  ? 	He does have a number of patents, if you are counting patents:l  9 http://research.compaq.com/wrl/people/jouppi/patents.htmls  8 	And if I was there, I would raise my hand on all three.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:28:46 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: UCX Bug+ Message-ID: <VA.000001eb.14c3a536@sture.ch>e  4 > From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)4 > Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,comp.os.vms > Subject: Re: UCX Bug' > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:13:06 -0500  > D > In article <8G4%5.2138$TC3.690005@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, "MrSignor"+ > <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net> wrote:f > 6 > > > why don't you simply call compaq vms support and > > > report the problem.h8 > > being a hoppyist ... I don't have a support contract >  > S > What happens if a non-contracted person calls the support center to report a bug?2Q > Suppose he just wants to report it, and doesn't expect to get a fix?  Will theyn > accept the call? > S > I think Hoff has said in the past that *security-related* bugs should be reported = > this way, since Compaq is interested in fixing theses ASAP.t > 4 > Does anyone have any experience along these lines? >sT Let's say I found a serious bug on my Hobbyist Alpha which I thought could adverselyR affect systems at work. Then I would feel it perfectly reasonable to reproduce the3 problem at work, and use proper reporting channels.b  T If it were with some hardware or software combination we don't have at work however,M I wouldn't be able to demonstrate that it could affect us, and would consider " reporting it through CSC improper.  T Same goes for any problems I might discover on my home VAX - we don't have any VAXes" left at work, at least in my area.  X IMHO, some kind of non-contractual bug reporting mechanism is very desirable. After all,R most Hobbyist users don't necessarily expect an immediate fix, but _would_ like toF be able to report serious problems, for the general well-being of VMS.  W Here's a concrete example. In early November I was busy installing the layered productsoU for the Hobbyist licenses, and came across a few problems. My best stab was to reportaX them here, and hope they get picked up by someone in OVMS Engineering. None of them wereS show stoppers for me, but might be for someone who has the relevant full commercial X licenses. In the best spirit of the Hobbyist scheme it would have been nice to feel thatB I was giving something back to Compaq by reporting these problems.  T Indeed, going back to my first home VAX 11 years ago, a former employer came up withX their own flavour of restricted commercial usage scheme for me. I got their software forZ free and was allowed to develop commercial programs with it, but not _run_ any commercial T applications for profit using my license (the customer would buy at least a run time system for themselves).V  N Why so generous a deal? I had a reputation for digging out bugs and submittingL reproduceable problem reports, and continuing to do so was part of the deal.M I _was_ given zero priority on expecting bug fixes, but of course the serious K ones arrived promptly because they were important to the rest of the users.   % It worked very well for both parties.8  
 Paul Sture Switzerlandc   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 15:52:06 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: UCX Bug6 Message-ID: <91lbr6$gs8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  l In article <9PP_5.1624$L3.407086@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, "MrSignor" <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net> writes:  J :   I have also confirmed the UCX bug posted by moi_is_me on 14/1 to these :two newsgroupsl  B   Having dug back through the local nntpd server to find the post @   referenced -- from Pierre "moi_is_me" -- the message ID of the   message referenced is:       91bth8$rv0$1@nnrp1.deja.com3     and the subject is:.       "TCP Bug - MULTINET + UCX"  J   TCP/IP Services V5.0A ECO1 is the current version.  (Pierre "moi_is_me" J   indicates only "V5.0", though is probably using V5.0A given the OpenVMS    version.)?  L :   how do we get engineering to see /acknowledge these and in turn fix them  G   Contact with the Compaq Customer Support Center (CSC) -- or with the nH   organization providing your software support -- is the usual and oftenG   the best approach.   When applicable, provide a complete source code dF   example of the problem -- the smaller and more concise and easier toG   build, the better the reproducer.  This reproducer can be critical in/F   identifying the problem, and the faster the CSC and engineering can I   get a reproducer, the faster that a fix can be identified and verified.cH   (If one is not provided, one will need to be created -- this obviouslyE   takes longer, and it also might not happen to trigger the problem.)m  H   If you have a software support contract, access to the support center G   via CSNlink/DSNlink (or similar) is aso typically available.  Per theh   OpenVMS FAQ:  *     http://www.support.compaq.com/dsnlink/    L :   is there a special e-mail address to report bugs to, or do we just cross :our fingers and hope ?y  J   I am aware of no automatic mechanism that trolls through the newsgroups I   for any bug reports that have been submitted here.  (I expect that the eK   Compaq folks that do read the newsgroup do not read every posting here.  dI   I further expect that the Compaq folks that read the newsgroups do not iF   have the cycles to commit to reporting and tracking the bug reports I   could easily made here -- that's the charter of the folks at the CSCs.)o  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 16:06:40 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: UCX Bug6 Message-ID: <91lcmg$h2c$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <rdeininger-1712001113060001@user-2iveb1t.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: m :In article <8G4%5.2138$TC3.690005@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, "MrSignor" <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net> wrote:t :h5 :> > why don't you simply call compaq vms support and  :> > report the problem.7 :> being a hoppyist ... I don't have a support contract   C   If you have any expectations of using informal problem reporting hF   channels (eg: newsgroups) for problem reports such as this one, you H   *must* make reproducing the problem as easy as you can.  This includesH   providing a full and concise reproducer, all version information, etc.  G   If you wish formal help resolving the reported problem(s), including -F   Compaq's assistance with reproducers or problem identification, and F   particularly if you want the creation of ECO kit(s), then that is a    contract service.1  G   Time to add a "how to report a problem" section to the OpenVMS FAQ...g  E :What happens if a non-contracted person calls the support center to  G :report a bug?  Suppose he just wants to report it, and doesn't expect h* :to get a fix?  Will they accept the call?  F   I do not know.  (I would expect (hope) that the non-contract problemG   report would be accepted, but I do not know that it actually will be h   accepted.)  G :I think Hoff has said in the past that *security-related* bugs should oH "be reported this way, since Compaq is interested in fixing theses ASAP.  D   Correct.  I have had several discussions with the OpenVMS SecurityG   product manager on this topic, and the CSC should accept specificallyoF   security-relevent reports from most any channel.  (Though preferablyF   not by finding the reports here in comp.os.vms, as those folks of a E   nefarious orientation do tend to follow this and other newsgroups.)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:54:25 -0000t+ From: "Tim Gray" <tim.gray@nospam_rl.ac.uk>l0 Subject: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util+ Message-ID: <91l8ii$r3u@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>t  7 Hi, I have a question relating to C programming on VMS.   H I'm writing what is basically a UDP proxy server, and for administrationF purposes want to communicate with it whilst it's running. The simplestH communication would be to tell it to shutdown for example, or to display' current runnings statistics/parameters.o  J I'm wondering if there's like a standard model to use here. I notice a lotH of DECs 'utils' have an admin interface, (DECNET, UCX to name two), thatF works well, but probably involves quite a bit of effort. Another way IC thought was to use logical names, I thought that might involve lesslJ effort![1] I guess I'm wondering if anyone has any source examples of thisL sort of communication between processes on VMS, or can point me in the rightK direction / recommend a method. I've sort of got the hang of C, but not the K hooks into a VMS platform. I guess the admin util method is good because itiF allows any info returned from the proxy server  to be displayed on theJ terminal screen, whereas the logical names way would probably mean writing) the info to the log file or another file.t  ( Many thanks for any info or pointers....   Tim.  : [1] Not that I'm trying to make this easy or anything! ;o) -- ------# To use my email, remove the nospam_i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:57:25 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h4 Subject: Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util, Message-ID: <3A3E33E4.46BAE0F0@videotron.ca>   Tim Gray wrote:tL > I'm wondering if there's like a standard model to use here. I notice a lotJ > of DECs 'utils' have an admin interface, (DECNET, UCX to name two), thatH > works well, but probably involves quite a bit of effort. Another way IE > thought was to use logical names, I thought that might involve less L > effort![1] I guess I'm wondering if anyone has any source examples of this1 > sort of communication between processes on VMS,d  N Logical names are a poor choice because changing a logical name doesn't send aA message to your application to tell it that a change has occured.   Z You need to develop some sort of "protocol" between your server and the admin application.  N For instance, if your server receives a connection, and the first packet has aN specific format, then you process it as an admin function and you can dump the results out to that connection.e  K So your admin application would open the connection to the server, send theiK "command packet", and then read from the connection until it is closed (and L display he results or format them). Note that you may want to have some sortK of password scheme in the command packet to prevent unauthorized folks fromc sending commands.t  N Another method (which I have also used) is to create a mailbox device just forJ commands. This forces the commands to be sent by someone who has access toN that node (either direct or via decnet). The output can be sent to a log file.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:46:23 -0500a8 From: "Ernest Potenziani" <epotenziani@worldnet.att.net> Subject: VMS printer logicals?1 Message-ID: <91l0v0$8ke$1@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>s  K I'm trying to connect a colleague's AlphaServer 1000 running OpenVMS 6.2 towG a laser printer.  Does anyone recall what the logical symbol is for thehC printer port so I can set up the spooling properly (the manuals areaK missing)?  A SHOW DEV command doesn't show anything obvious (like LPA0:) in 5 the list.  There is a printer port on the back panel.r   Thanks in advance for any help,n Ernie Potenziani epotenziani@att.netn   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 16:38:17 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: VMS printer logicals?6 Message-ID: <91lehp$h6q$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  l In article <91l0v0$8ke$1@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, "Ernest Potenziani" <epotenziani@worldnet.att.net> writes:6 :Does anyone recall what the logical symbol is for the :printer port...  #   Hello and welcome to comp.os.vms!   G   There are a couple of follow-ups to this particular question over in eF   vmsnet.alpha -- I posted some suggestions and some questions to this+   question, postings made late last week...h  I   The thread over in vmsnet.alpha is "Printer logical", and the original p   message ID is:  &     91dg30$6e$1@taliesin.netcom.net.uk  I   And when cross-posting, please consider using a comma-separated list ofsH   newsgroups and the follow-up setting to a particular group -- both of B   these steps will make it easier for you and for others.  Thanks!  ;   Follow-ups to this message have been set to vmsnet.alpha.u  ' 	--- reposted text from vmsnet.alpha --f  G   Depending on which I/O port you are looking at, the device name used  F   will generally have a prefix LR (parallel port) or TT (serial port).E   If you are using the LR parallel, check for available ECO kits, andfA   check for compatibility with the particular parallel printer...   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 15:00:02 GMTF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?* Message-ID: <91l8pi$c6l@usenet.pa.dec.com>  9 There is an editor called JED which has a couple of modes : of operation, one of which is EDT keypad mode.  I've found: it works fairly well, and it runs on a number of operating9 systems (including VMS).  It's included in the RedHat ande: SuSE distributions, but is not always installed unless you9 ask for it.  (It can also emulate EMACS and possibly some  other editors)..  : There are probably better editors, but this one comes with Linux and is free.   --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have ai5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.e   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 10:22:35 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?+ Message-ID: <gvgjX27sh6l5@eisner.decus.org>t  N In article <rX0sdEhQbEw2@flying>, abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie) writes:7 > While I have no intention of giving up VMS, I do wanty6 > to learn about Linux.   While doing so, I would like. > to have some of my favorite tools available: >  >     1) EDT  H Lots of EDT emulators, try starting from the Freeware CD or the FAQ, you" should be able to find one easily.   >     2) TPU  E  nu/TPU from a/Soft is the only one I've seen.  Try it before you buy !  it.  I'm assuming they do Linux.r  
 >     3) TECO0    Cult4  + >     4) Printing to LAT-connected printers   E  There's a DECnet Phase IV package for Linux which might include LAT. D  Otherwize try KiNet from KiResearch to see if they support what youD  want.  Last time KiNet (many years) used it a printer counted as a   user against the license.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupmE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 10:40:42 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?+ Message-ID: <J2IMLuT83YDM@eisner.decus.org>a  q In article <HjO_5.3352$1t.114545@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  sel  >  >> >     2) TPU  >>( >> http://www.asoft-dev.com/tpu_info.htm >> >  > Ditto for a/Soft.i >   G Product did what they said, but it turned out not to be as usefull as 	iG thought.  I depend very heavily on my TPU customizations and just neverqB could get a reasonable mapping of my keypad on a non-DEC keyboard.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationd= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:52:39 -0800r+ From: "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov>e6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001218075134.00ad09a0@poptop.llnl.gov>   Paul, E A company named Meridian produces the LAT for Tru64 Unix. Maybe they M support Linux too.   rich ------------------    1 At 05:03 PM 12/16/00 +0800, Paul Repacholi wrote: - >abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie) writes:. >I9 > > While I have no intention of giving up VMS, I do want 8 > > to learn about Linux.   While doing so, I would like0 > > to have some of my favorite tools available: > >' > >     1) EDT > >     2) TPU > 3 >Emacs. But do the emacs tutorial first, for a TECOe, >munger, it 'feels right'. In most places... >r > >     3) TECO  >c+ >There is a TECO in C, ( cough ). No screent >support thought.  >e- > >     4) Printing to LAT-connected printersa > , >Never seen that. SOMEONE would have to have* >the LAT protocol docs to do it. I have NO* >idea who that may be... Perhaps you could) >find a copy, some where. Never know yourd >luck ;) >e* >There is DECNet for Linux, but it is even' >uglier than DU! And the code is worse.h >  >--r= >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,e8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.B >                                              West Australia 6076/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.i   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 14:59:40 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: when is SYS$NODE normally defined?t6 Message-ID: <91l8os$g9h$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <91ggoe$hqq$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:tI :I notice that, with machines with no DECnet installed, I have to define fI :SYS$NODE by hand.  Is this normal?  Is it normally defined as something e :to do with DECnet?M  E   This logical name is reserved to DECnet.  I would tend to recommendsC   against defining reserved logical names, unless expressly told top
   do so...  8 :What does one NEED DECnet to do, besides DECnet itself?  F   DECnet has not been particularly required since circa V6.2, and I'veG   personally operated configurations without DECnet since circa V3, andhE   that version was simply when I tried to set up the configuration...   H :Not that I have anything against DECnet.  I'm just looking for things, J :such as perhaps the definition of SYS$NODE, which really have nothing to J :do with DECnet but, for historical reasons, are defined there where they # :could/should be defined elsewhere.i  F   You may encounter packages that find SYS$NODE defined and make their4   own assumptions on the local system configuration.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 10:55:35 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)/ Subject: Re: when is SYS$NODE normally defined?f+ Message-ID: <wNOmVLpQyFrg@eisner.decus.org>   [ In article <91ggoe$hqq$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:nJ > I notice that, with machines with no DECnet installed, I have to define J > SYS$NODE by hand.  Is this normal?  Is it normally defined as something  > to do with DECnet?  H SYS$NODE is, and has always been, the DECnet node name.  Been there longI before clustering, IP, or any other concept of node name.  Used to use it1" to verify DECnet had been started.  I > Not that I have anything against DECnet.  I'm just looking for things,  K > such as perhaps the definition of SYS$NODE, which really have nothing to tK > do with DECnet but, for historical reasons, are defined there where they w$ > could/should be defined elsewhere.  @ SYS$NODE is something you might be able to define based on otherB concepts, but "in it's original form" it has everything to do with DECnet.p  E I now rely on f$getsyi("nodename") which is more broadly defined thanr either SYS$NODE or SCSNODENAME.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationi= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:32:22 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: X terminal for MAC ?e, Message-ID: <3A3E03D4.4DC5174F@videotron.ca>  M Is there an X terminal emulator for macintosh available on the net ? (so thatiR I could use the mac as a second screen onto a vaxstation (which has a b/W screen).   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 14:39:36 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)m! Subject: Re: X terminal for MAC ?a0 Message-ID: <91l7j8$j41$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  \ In article <3A3E03D4.4DC5174F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:N >Is there an X terminal emulator for macintosh available on the net ? (so thatS >I could use the mac as a second screen onto a vaxstation (which has a b/W screen).a  ; We use eXodus from WhitePine. Of course this is commercial.c   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 11:03:42 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)! Subject: Re: X terminal for MAC ?o+ Message-ID: <ORHtRsp7WJ8Y@eisner.decus.org>a  \ In article <3A3E03D4.4DC5174F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:O > Is there an X terminal emulator for macintosh available on the net ? (so that T > I could use the mac as a second screen onto a vaxstation (which has a b/W screen).  F I use MacX, which I found somewhere on a popular Mac site (try UMich).A Problem is I don't know how to remap the keypad when I bring up auF DECterm under MacX, so I always also run NCSA Telnet at the same time, using up another login.o  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationi= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupQE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:33:46 -0500e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ) Subject: Re: XP1000 - which Graphics Cardh, Message-ID: <91lhqh$6an2$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  H MrSignor wrote in message <3da%5.2578$TC3.833760@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>... >Hi, > H >   I was offered an XP1000 with a PowerStorm 300 graphics card, only to >learn later< >   that in fact the machine has a ELSA Gloria Synergy card. >d >   2 - questions... > 6 >   Q1) What is the difference between the two cards ?    G A P300 is a several thousand dollar 3D graphics card.  A ELSA card is a ; several hundred dollar commodity card with only 2D support.s   > L >   Q2) I intend to run TRU64 + OpenVMS, is one card better than the other /. >          better suited for my choice of OS's >-    9 They will both work on both VMS and Tru64.  The ELSA is a K not-too-great-performing 2D card, the P300 (and the more expensive P350) is - a well performing mid-range 3D graphics card.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.705 ************************