1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 19 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 706       Contents:+ Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash"  Re: arithmetic trap  C-Kermit# Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster  Email forwarding Re: Email forwarding. Re: Fortran syntax, COMMONs (was Re: Mem file). Re: Fortran syntax, COMMONs (was Re: Mem file)  Re: Free compiler to Alphaserver  Re: Free compiler to Alphaserver Re: Mem file Re: Mem file Re: Mozilla 0.6  Re: Mozilla 0.6  Re: Opera (was Mozilla 0.6)  Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)  Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)  Re: RIP LN03, 1987-2000  Snapshot released? Re: soon enough?	 Spare VAX 
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 Re: Spare VAX  Re: start/que/search problem Re: UCX Bug " VAXELN Network-ability question...& Re: VAXELN Network-ability question...& Re: VAXELN Network-ability question...+ Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT? - Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?  Re: X terminal for MAC ?  Re: XP1000 - which Graphics Card  Re: Y2038 (was RE: soon enough?)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 19:39:22 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: "process crash" vs. "application crash"6 Message-ID: <91lp5a$iqu$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K In article <91l504$kdb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, david_dawkins@my-deja.com writes:  :Brian Schenkenberger wrote:8 :> I find it difficult to believe that there is no trace :> information at all & :> from the original poster's process. : / :Absolutely none. Not even an accounting entry.   8   I have not read through all postings in this thread...  H   The only time I've seen this occur is with an inner-mode bugcheck, or G   when the process itself never got created or otherwise failed during  E   the creation operation.  (Process private or otherwise inaccessable D   logical names are one classic example, as can be dependence on theE   SYS$LOGIN or other login-derived logical name when /ACCOUNT is NOT  '   specified on the process creation...)   G   In the case of XQP, inner-mode bugchecks are logged in the error log.   ;   If you have your own inner-mode code, all bets are off...   G   To force a system crash for an otherwise non-fatal bugcheck, you can  +   set the BUGCHECKFATAL system parameter...   I   To log the failed process creation operation, use the security auditing J   PROCESS=CREPRC auditing mechanism, and use the termination mailbox.  If 9   this was a spawn, use the process exit status argument.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:52:47 -0800 1 From: Hossein Rafighi <Hossein.Rafighi@triumf.ca>  Subject: Re: arithmetic trap) Message-ID: <3A3EB15E.316AD070@triumf.ca>   & --------------22D029E3F4289A1899432034* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   K My conclusion is that VAX VMS 6.2 doesn't like when I put any internal disk M bigger than 9GB! External disks are just fine, but when I put anything bigger B than 9GB inside the liberator I get this: "arithmatic trap" error.       Season's Greetings Hossein Rafighi            "Glenn C. Everhart" wrote:  A > This is I suspect a device geometry computation problem. It was  > fixed in VMS 7.1. Upgrade. >  > Hossein Rafighi wrote: > >  > > Hi all,  > > G > > I just changed a 9GB dead internal scsi disk with an 18Gb. This was G > > one of the four disks inside a liberator in VAX VMS cluster running G > > 6.2. After rebooting the system I get: "%MOUNT-F-INTDIV, arithmetic E > > trap, integer divide by zero at PC=0000780A, PSL=01C00002 " error H > > message. This is the first time I see this message! Is there anybodyD > > on this list who has seen this error message before? What is the! > > problem and how can I fix it?  > >  > > Your help is appreciated.  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > Happy holidays,  > > Hossein Rafighi  > >  > > --> > >  _____  _____   _____  _   _  _   _  ____  Hossein RafighiI > > |_   _||  _  \ |_   _|| | | || \_/ ||  __| TRIUMF, 4004 Wesbrook Mall M > >   | |  | |_|  )  | |  | | | ||     || |__  Vancouver, BC, Canada, V6T 2A3 D > >   | |  |  _  /   | |  | \_/ || \_/ ||  __| Voice: (604) 221-3233D > >   | |  | | \ \  _| |_ |     || | | || |    Fax:   (604) 222-1074L > >   |_|  |_|  \_\|_____| \___/ |_| |_||_|    Website: http://www.triumf.ca > >  > >    --:  _____  _____   _____  _   _  _   _  ____  Hossein RafighiE |_   _||  _  \ |_   _|| | | || \_/ ||  __| TRIUMF, 4004 Wesbrook Mall I   | |  | |_|  )  | |  | | | ||     || |__  Vancouver, BC, Canada, V6T 2A3 @   | |  |  _  /   | |  | \_/ || \_/ ||  __| Voice: (604) 221-3233@   | |  | | \ \  _| |_ |     || | | || |    Fax:   (604) 222-1074H   |_|  |_|  \_\|_____| \___/ |_| |_||_|    Website: http://www.triumf.ca      & --------------22D029E3F4289A1899432034) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>F My conclusion is that VAX VMS 6.2 doesn't like when I put any internalK disk bigger than 9GB! External disks are just fine, but when I put anything I bigger than 9GB inside the liberator I get this: "arithmatic trap" error. 
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 <br>&nbsp; <p>"Glenn C. Everhart" wrote: N <blockquote TYPE=CITE>This is I suspect a device geometry computation problem. It was <br>fixed in VMS 7.1. Upgrade. <p>Hossein Rafighi wrote:  <br>> 
 <br>> Hi all,  <br>> I <br>> I just changed a 9GB dead internal scsi disk with an 18Gb. This was I <br>> one of the four disks inside a liberator in VAX VMS cluster running I <br>> 6.2. After rebooting the system I get: "%MOUNT-F-INTDIV, arithmetic G <br>> trap, integer divide by zero at PC=0000780A, PSL=01C00002 " error J <br>> message. This is the first time I see this message! Is there anybodyF <br>> on this list who has seen this error message before? What is the# <br>> problem and how can I fix it?  <br>>  <br>> Your help is appreciated.  <br>>  <br>>  <br>>  <br>>  <br>>  <br>> Happy holidays,  <br>> Hossein Rafighi  <br>>  <br>> --K <br>>&nbsp; _____&nbsp; _____&nbsp;&nbsp; _____&nbsp; _&nbsp;&nbsp; _&nbsp; 0 _&nbsp;&nbsp; _&nbsp; ____&nbsp; Hossein RafighiF <br>> |_&nbsp;&nbsp; _||&nbsp; _&nbsp; \ |_&nbsp;&nbsp; _|| | | || \_/' ||&nbsp; __| TRIUMF, 4004 Wesbrook Mall Z <br>>&nbsp;&nbsp; | |&nbsp; | |_|&nbsp; )&nbsp; | |&nbsp; | | | ||&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;+ || |__&nbsp; Vancouver, BC, Canada, V6T 2A3 I <br>>&nbsp;&nbsp; | |&nbsp; |&nbsp; _&nbsp; /&nbsp;&nbsp; | |&nbsp; | \_/ ) || \_/ ||&nbsp; __| Voice: (604) 221-3233 I <br>>&nbsp;&nbsp; | |&nbsp; | | \ \&nbsp; _| |_ |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = || | | || |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp; (604) 222-1074 S <br>>&nbsp;&nbsp; |_|&nbsp; |_|&nbsp; \_\|_____| \___/ |_| |_||_|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; @ Website: <a href="http://www.triumf.ca">http://www.triumf.ca</a> <br>>  <br>></blockquote>  
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 &nbsp;</html>   ( --------------22D029E3F4289A1899432034--   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 03:13:10 GMT - From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>  Subject: C-Kermit > Message-ID: <anA%5.153976$hD4.39353631@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>   All,  I I just converted from VAX to Alpha which meant c-kermit went from 5.0a to  the latest version 7.x  K When I am trying to send text files the receiving end is having trouble.  I ( can go back to my VAX and it works fine.  G I am sending using a Multitech modem which is connected to a DECServer. G Since both the Alpha and VAX are using the same terminal server/modem I ! think it's the version of kermit.   J I did a test from VMS to a PC running reflections and that PC received the" file fine.  So now I'm confused...    Has anyone has the same problem?  5 Does anyone have a version 5.x of c-kermit for Alpha?    Any help would be great    Thanks,  Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 23:06:16 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster6 Message-ID: <91m598$krl$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Z In article <3a3e468e$0$29566@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>, jfc@mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:K :In article <91le3e$h6q$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:  : G :>  Further, the AlphaServer DS20E enclosure also specifically targets   :>  the use of faster CPUs.  :  :Does "faster" mean "hotter"?   F   If by "hotter", you inquire of the potential for increased emission E   levels of quantum particle energy in unspecified wavelength ranges  E   within the construct known as the electromagnetic spectrum, then I  G   expect and do believe that to the best of my current knowledge, that  J   the answer to the specific question posed, honorable Senator Bedfellow, F   would be in the affirmative.  I further do respectfully submit that G   the particles and associated energy levels involved in my forthright  A   answer to your esteemed inquiry could vary on a quantum level,  E   depending on the particular wavelength or wavelengths of interest,  D   while additional and unplanned emissions of energy (eg: infrared, F   visible), gasses, and various particulates (eg: smoke) are possible H   when prerequisite system thermal elimination requirements are not met J   due to failure of an air-moving device or otherwise, though I do expect C   that the honorable Senator Bedfellow or another of the Senator's  G   venerable colleagues could offer to provide sufficient large volumes  F   of unfortunately insufficiently cooled airflow to maintain requisite   semiconductor integrity.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:23:53 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Email forwarding ( Message-ID: <91lo57$445$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  E Is it possible to forward Email to more than one destination address? G The question is for a mailserver running VAX/VMS V7.1 (Y2K patch only). G I tried in MAIL to forward Email to two mail accounts, but that did not  work. E The syntax does not seem to recognize a distributionlist (.DIS file).   
 Any ideas?  
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Dec 2000 00:24:28 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Email forwarding 6 Message-ID: <91m9rs$m14$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  M In article <91lo57$445$1@news.IAEhv.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: F :Is it possible to forward Email to more than one destination address?H :The question is for a mailserver running VAX/VMS V7.1 (Y2K patch only).H :I tried in MAIL to forward Email to two mail accounts, but that did not :work.F :The syntax does not seem to recognize a distributionlist (.DIS file).  H   This is a known restriction of MAIL and particularly of the underlyingK   MAIL-11 protocol.  Code was put in place to prevent MAIL from forwarding  G   to a distribution list, as there was no way to return individualized  L   success or failure for the distribution list address entries via MAIL-11, >   and this was something that the MAIL client expected to see.  J   There are hack-arounds available, of course -- the DELIVER tool is one, J   though there are issues with potential user access to privileges if you I   install the MAIL image, as DELIVER requires.  Other options include the G   use of a mail server package -- forward mail to the server, in other  G   words, and let that package forward it out.  Various mail servers are E   available for OpenVMS -- there is a Majordomo port available, among    other packages.   F   This topic comes up fairly regularly, please try a few searches for #   some of the previous discussions.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 20:37:34 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: Fortran syntax, COMMONs (was Re: Mem file) 6 Message-ID: <91lsie$jam$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <00e101c068ff$70ae6380$5a2b73a0@columbus.co.za>, Andre Alberts <alberts.andre@columbus.co.za> writes:   :If 'n have in a memory file :  :struct /name/ :Integer*2 name(1:4) :  :what does the (1:4) mean   B   That is Fortran array syntax.  My Fortran is really rusty, but IC   think that's a one-dimensional array of four two-byte integers...   -   Fortran manuals can be accessed online via:   -     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/   ' :and where can i get info on mem files.   G   What you are probably refering to is more commonly called a COMMON or F   (depending on the context) a global section.  Examples exist at the H   OpenVMS Ask The Wizard (ATW) website and in the OpenVMS documentation.G   In the former case, see ATW topic "(2486)" for a C example.  For the  E   OpenVMS documentation, please see the pointers in the OpenVMS FAQ.  8   Also please see the Fortran User Manual for OpenVMS...      :No 2:A :say i what to use lib$movc3( 7,from a structure, to a structure)  :how would it be done.  J   lib$movc3 is a block data copy operation.  You pass in three arguments, F   the word-length field indicating the length of the transfer in bytesJ   (this value must be passed by reference) and the source and destination <   addresses for the transfer (also reference).  For example:  9     CALL LIB$MOVC3(%REF(INLEN),%REF(INBUF),%REF(OUTBUF))    J   Fortran has specific defaults for argument-passing, the above explicitly,   requests "by reference" for each argument.  H   If you do not understand phrases such as "by value" and "by reference"J   in this context, please take a look at the OpenVMS Calling Standard and J   OpenVMS Programming Concepts manuals, part of the OpenVMS documentation    set.  F   You will particularly want to look at the chapter on Fortran in the F   Common Language Environment in the Fortran User Manual for OpenVMS. )   (Look for details on %REF and similar.)   G   Direct access to blocks of memory can be potentially somewhat risky,  F   as it depends on the particular way that the compiler has organized F   the data in virtual memory, and particularly that it can assume the E   layout and the alignment and the padding used within the structure.   C   If your organization has access to Compaq DSNlink, you can avail  ;   yourself of a large collection of programming examples...   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:47:43 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>7 Subject: Re: Fortran syntax, COMMONs (was Re: Mem file) 7 Message-ID: <200012182147_MC2-BF1B-6200@compuserve.com>   4         Hoff's post refreshed my memory.  The forms: INTEGER*2 NAME(1:4)  and  INTEGER*2 NAME(4) =   J are equivalent.  The 1:4 specifies the lower and upper bounds of the arra= y.  If the declaration had been:  INTEGER*2 NAME(0:3) = NAME could have referred to with subscripts in the range 0-3.   > Message text written by INTERNET:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospamJ >In article <00e101c068ff$70ae6380$5a2b73a0@columbus.co.za>, Andre Albert= sa& <alberts.andre@columbus.co.za> writes:   :If 'n have in a memory file :m :struct /name/ :Integer*2 name(1:4) :N :what does the (1:4) meano  B   That is Fortran array syntax.  My Fortran is really rusty, but IC   think that's a one-dimensional array of four two-byte integers...e  -   Fortran manuals can be accessed online via:M  -     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/e  ' :and where can i get info on mem files.3  G   What you are probably refering to is more commonly called a COMMON orAG   (depending on the context) a global section.  Examples exist at the =t  H   OpenVMS Ask The Wizard (ATW) website and in the OpenVMS documentation.H   In the former case, see ATW topic "(2486)" for a C example.  For the =  F   OpenVMS documentation, please see the pointers in the OpenVMS FAQ. =  8   Also please see the Fortran User Manual for OpenVMS...   <L   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:05:01 -0800C! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comd) Subject: Re: Free compiler to Alphaserver-= Message-ID: <OF839A8826.B5FAC149-ON882569B9.0068A32F@mhn.com>-  K Of course, if you're a non-commercial user you could look into the hobbyistoC program. It's got all kinds of free compiler licences, with certain-K restrictions placed on their use. Go to www.montagar.com, there's a link onr the home page.   Shanen          2 koehler@eisner.decus.org on 12/18/2000 07:15:02 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt cc:i  * Subject:  Re: Free compiler to Alphaserver    J In article <001801c06717$edc519c0$2249e7c8@valdemir>, "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> writes:. > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  6   1) please turn off MIME when posting to comp.os.vms.   >hI > Is there any free compiler to use in my Alphaserver with OpenVMS V7.2 =  > ???n >e  E Several.  OpenVMS on your Alpha ships with the Macro-32 compiler (not F assembler).  gcc is available from the net somewhere.  You can get the@ BLISS compiler or the Macro-64 assembler from the freeware disk.  > Start with the FAQ and the freeware at www.openvms.compaq.com.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationr= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouptE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:29:09 GMTt- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)s) Subject: Re: Free compiler to Alphaserver-0 Message-ID: <3a3eab3d.41661065@swen.process.com>  @ On 18 Dec 2000 14:14:53 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:d  H >  Macro32 (part of OpenVMS), Bliss (Freeware), Java (part of OpenVMS), G >  and Macro64 (Freeware) are available to all users.  (Pedant notice: jF >  Yes, I know two of these packages are not technically "compilers".) >-= >  Various compiler packages such as GCC are around, as well.h >e >	-- >iB >  If somebody here can put together a list of the free compilers E >  (including the URLs, if available), I'll get it added to the next a; >  OpenVMS FAQ.  (Which I'm shipping out later this month.)9 >i GCC for Alpha can be found on:  $ ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/gcc-for-alpha/  E I don't believe ProGIS (who did the port) makes it available anymore.h  7 You can also find the BLISS compilers on ftp.wku.edu ina [.freeware_cd.bliss].    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/c9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:17:30 GMT , From: TMcGrath@cendant.com.au (Tony McGrath) Subject: Re: Mem filee3 Message-ID: <3a3ec430.80579536@news.ozemail.com.au>,  E MEM files.. HHhhmmm, I wonder if Andre means the files created by thes- DIGITAL Standard Runoff (DSR) Text Formatter.s See..h
 $ HELP RUNOFFe   $ RUNOFF file-spec.RNO$  creates a file called file-spec.MEM   Cheers from Oz,p   Tony  E On 18 Dec 2000 11:10:18 -0500, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)h wrote:  q >In article <00e101c068ff$70ae6380$5a2b73a0@columbus.co.za>, Andre Alberts <alberts.andre@columbus.co.za> writes:_ >> Please help >> o >> l >> If 'n have in a memory file >> | >> struct /name/ >> Integer*2 name(1:4) >>   >> what does the (1:4) mean  >\G >Fortran?  If so (1:4) means the array has indexes 1,2, 3, and 4.  This| >is the same as4 >   Integer*2 name(4)|E >since 1 is the default start index, but other values could have been  >used. >  >> _) >> and where can i get info on mem files.n >f? >  You tell us.  There's no VMS convention for a file type mem.b >k >> No 2:C >> say i what to use lib$movc3( 7,from a structure, to a structure)A >> how would it be done. >_D >  help trl lib$ lib$movc3.  And tell us what language you're really) >  programming so we don't have to guess.| > G >-----------------------------------------------------------------------@ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation> >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupF >                                | please remove ".aspm" when replying  C Tony McGrath, Systems Administrator, British Airways Executive ClubnN Cendant Membership Services, 596 North Road, Ormond, Victoria, 3204, Australia- Phone : 61 3 9578 8233   Fax : 61 3 9578 6326"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:40:35 -0500h, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Mem fileh> Message-ID: <hshubs-90774F.21403518122000@news.mindspring.com>  J In article <OQbm5tt1M0tC@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob  Koehler) wrote:   ? >  You tell us.  There's no VMS convention for a file type mem.n  B Incorrect.  Think: RUNOFF.  Granted that doesn't appear related... -- e Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:47:12 +01000+ From: Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com>T Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.6' Message-ID: <3A3E85E0.FB92F90C@dnv.com>n  E It seems to me that Mozilla hangs at startup if Java is not installedb and enabled.  C Having tried to run Mozilla on a DEC Alpha 3000-300 with VMS 7.2 it 
 seems thatE Java has to be installed and enabled by @SYS$STARTUP:JAVA$STARTUP.COM>G On this machine I  have been running different releases of mozilla from  M13   to  0.6.9 after  JAVA 1.1.6 was installed, but it is somewhat slow.n  F On Digital PWS 500au with VMS 7.2-1, Mozilla 0.6 did not seem to work, the processoE seems to hang after  "Starting mozilla-bin..." without showing up the  mozilla window.n. After installing JAVA 1.2.2 and enabling it by, @SYS$COMMON:[JAVA$122.COM]JAVA$122_SETUP.COM+ then Mozilla window appear and can be used./  
 Arne Bergsethc     Vance Haemmerle wrote:  ? > Anyone had a chance to run Mozilla 0.6 on VMS yet?  I had M18 D > running, but 0.6 just seems to hang before displaying any windows. >p > -- > Vance Haemmerlep > vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US&   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:16:41 GMTi' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>  Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.6- Message-ID: <3A3EA834.4203DD91@theblakes.com>b  ? Java does NOT have to be installed and started for M0.6 to run.s  I There is currently NO java support in Mozilla for OpenVMS because OpenVMSF doesn't yet have JVM V1.3.0_1.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:06:00 -0600_7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>|$ Subject: Re: Opera (was Mozilla 0.6)- Message-ID: <3A3EC288.2E161489@earthlink.net>3   Paul Sture wrote:| > E > In article <3A3DD996.66BD8185@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman wrote:x6 > > From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsn( > > Subject: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)) > > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:32:06 +0000e > >nJ > > Sounds like we could have a while longer to wait before we can get rid > > of netscape 3.03.  > >1H > > Has anyone looked at Opera (now free) ? Is there any mileage there ? > >cH > Yes I'm running Opera on my NT and Linux boxes. The Windows version isJ > free, with (fairly unobtrusive) adware, 39 USD (IIRC) for the non-adwareI > version. The Linux version is a 30 day timed trial. Add on licenses are 
 > cheaper. > D > One immediate advantage I've seen with Opera over Netscape is thatC > hitting the back button with Netscape usually initiates a dialup,rJ > whereas Opera brings it back from cache. That's saving my phone bill :-)  C Not sure I understand that, but I think the next paragraph explainsu further.  iG > Another problem I've seen with Netscape 3.03, which I also see on thenJ > Linux version, is that after my dialup connection has timed out and hungH > up, the thing is repeatedly dialling out again. I _really_ do not likeJ > that! (and yes, I have disabled the default 10 minute check for mail). I2 > don't see that problem with the Windows version.  G I see it with the W/9x V4.6 and later (and perhaps earlier). I think it G may be trying to "phone home": The LANmodem indicates that the call waso? originated due to a DNS request from this Wintel box to resolvemH WWW-RL.NETSCAPE.COM. It does this at least once a day. Not sure what the story is with that.l   -- e David J. Dachteraf dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 19:09:28 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)( Subject: Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6), Message-ID: <91lnd8$snr@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  6 On 18 Dec 2000 16:22:22 GMT, in comp.os.vms you wrote:e > In article <3A3DD996.66BD8185@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes:rI > >Sounds like we could have a while longer to wait before we can get ridl > >of netscape 3.03. > + > Feels like waiting for Godot, doesn't it?  >  > >uG > >Has anyone looked at Opera (now free) ? Is there any mileage there ?  >  > I have not tried it. d  B Ok, now I have tried it.  It's a little glitchy but it does work.   ? 1.  I loaded the java version on NT 4 SP5. It wouldn't run as aiA regular user but that's a common failing for Windows applicationsrE (what, I don't have full priv's and can't read/write everywhere? Time-C for an infinite loop!).  When run from the Administrator account itf works pretty well. m  F 2.  PDF files don't start up instantly.  It seems to download the fileE then start acroread.  In any case, when I tried looking at the latestsC OpenVMS Times it essentially locked up for about 20 seconds.   THENiE acrobat reader popped up and I regained control. This might be reallyv< painful if you're using it on a slow net connection though!   B 3.  I tried to change my email address while composing a newsgroupF reply and it locked up at 99% CPU. At least after killing Opera it did? provide a restart mode which brought back all the other windows9- (except not the partially composed message.) o  E 4.  There's only POP3, no IMAP4. (This is a big hole that needs to be9	 filled.) @  C 5.  There's a really, really strange interaction with deja.  When I,G told it to restrict a powersearch to "comp.os.vms" that restriction wastD ignored.  It didn't matter what the settings were for javascript andA java.  I tested this with a couple of other browsers and they allr< restricted the newsgroup.  The form must have been sent backC incorrectly by Opera, as that field is just a regular text box.  Of . all the glitches, this is the most worrisome.   @ 6.  There's a windows like selection bar along the bottom of theD window, where each open opera window is represented.  (Just like the? bar along the bottom of a Windows screen.)  When you click on ae= different window the screen isn't always rewritten properly -sB scrolling up and down causes the screen to rewrite.  (If there's a- "rewrite screen" button I couldn't find it.) o  E 7.  I  set a window to "full screen" and could not find a way to makelB it small again from inside that window.  When this is done all theB Opera controls disappear off the top of the screen!  Ok, now I see that it's F11 to get back.    F Aside from that, it worked very well.  It feels like a very late beta,H but a reasonably stable one.   The speed was good and it only used aboutF 11-12 Mb of memory while running.  All and all it's a very nice littleF browser that will be even nicer when they squash a few more glitches.   G Fix that one POST glitch and I'd prefer it to netscape 3.03, even with S all the other glitches.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu-? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:59:06 -0800a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comi( Subject: Re: Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)= Message-ID: <OF20B6DF6F.1D071DB2-ON882569B9.00673827@mhn.com>   C Opera is a nice browser, I use it occasionally. It's fast, light onrK resources, and AFAIK it doesn't have any proprietary extensions. The "free"aF version comes with an ad banner, but I'm not sure what technology it'sJ using. Still, it doesn't appear on the "Spyware Infested Software" list atJ http://www.infoforce.qc.ca/spyware/ (and I think it would have by now), so it's probably OK.   ' Only problem is, it doesn't run on VMS.    Shaney          F Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> on 12/18/2000 01:32:06 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:l  % Subject:  Opera (was Re: Mozilla 0.6)d    F Sounds like we could have a while longer to wait before we can get rid of netscape 3.03.f  D Has anyone looked at Opera (now free) ? Is there any mileage there ?   Chrish   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:25:32 GMT.# From: Mark Sterk <strong@chello.nl>b  Subject: Re: RIP LN03, 1987-2000) Message-ID: <3A3E8E2B.9237EAEF@chello.nl>$   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:o   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe+ > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 3:46 AMu8 > To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: RIP LN03, 1987-2000 >(N > My old LN03-plus, which had taken retirement some years ago, went peacefully7 > tonight. With my 9 year old newphew, I took it apart.e >pB > This trusted heavy box had printed 124923 pages in its lifetime. >nP > I had been told that there was a concrete boock in it to provide the vibrationL > resistance. But alas, after tearing its guts out, I found out this was notM > true... The main motor is pretty heavy though. And boy, there were a lot of  > screws in that puppy.  >tN > Once it was gutted, the outside casing was cleaned and re-assembled and will& > now serve as a foot-rest :-) :-) :-) > N > Now, I have to fogure out a way to power the laser.. since it is IR, maybe IO > could use it to melt the snow on the driveway... Is there anmy chance that itm$ > would alctually emit a red light ? >a4 > The lenses and rotating mirro are interesting too. >o1 > May the LN03 allow my feet to rest in peace :-)e  Q Be careful I am not sure of the classification of this laser but could be harmful 
 to your eyes.   H Just beside the laser (some years ago for me) there is a heatsink with aM peltier-cooler, if you put 12 Volts on this thing you can build your own mini : fridge I have done some nice experiments with this gadget.  R If you still want to experiment with the laser don't forget to connect this cooler too.   Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:19:43 -0500   From: kuff@tessco.com (Hal Kuff) Subject: Snapshot released? O Message-ID: <696BC4D1CA59D475.573FA4384A89D672.2BBDB14BF91A2EEC@lp.airnews.net>E  I I understand that Compaq will now sell Snapshot and Clone on StorageworksuH controllers mated to OpenVMS systems.... This S/W is expensive, one pair of controllers would run 65k......b    J Does anyone know if in fact one can cause the snapshots to occur from VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:42:56 +0100A+ From: Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com>z Subject: Re: soon enough?n' Message-ID: <3A3EAF10.F877AE07@dnv.com>g   Phillip Helbig wrote:    > VMS721_ACRTL-V0200:  >tJ >       o  The problem commonly known as the "Y2038 bug" has  been  fixed. >oI > It seems that the Y2k problem was not as bad as feared (or everyone got 6 > everything fixed on time); what about the Y2038 bug?  $ I think this is just the right time!  K The installation that get this patch and the programs that are compiled andc linkedJ from now on will still function after Y 2038 even if the machine is placed in a@ museum and not upgraded or programs not rebuilt in the meantime.F Of course a VMS computer which is placed in a museum should be able to5 demonstrate the use of internet also after year 2038.h  : I appreciate VMS development for preparing for the future.* The year 2000 problem has not been solved.H In VMS the year 2000 problem has never existed, because VMS was designed" with 4 digit years before AD 1980.  I On other platforms a common fix has been to hack in some assumption about2G wether a 2 digit year is above or below 50 or some other random number.u: Many applications and databases have 2 digit years stored,I so by new years eve every 10 years to come, some legacy applications will  breakw  L In year 2038 I will be 84 years old, so my most likly use of a computer will be somec$ kind of life support control system.  
 Arne BergsethS  . Om hundre r er allting glemt. (gammet ordtak)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:05:09 -0500e( From: G Swanson <swanson@nsabp.pitt.edu> Subject: Spare VAX) Message-ID: <3A3E5FE5.139@nsabp.pitt.edu>e  F We're looking for a small vax or vaxstation to act as a backup machineH for our current vax-4000. It won't have to run all the software we have,G but act as a backup if the main is own. Does any one know of a resellerb of used vaxes?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:38:37 -0700r+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>r Subject: Re: Spare VAX( Message-ID: <3A3E83DD.3622EB43@mmaz.com>  L Great Lake Computers in Michigan has always done good by us for new and used
 equipment.   Barry    G Swanson wrote:  H > We're looking for a small vax or vaxstation to act as a backup machineJ > for our current vax-4000. It won't have to run all the software we have,I > but act as a backup if the main is own. Does any one know of a reseller  > of used vaxes?   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOg  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 23:11:58 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)a Subject: Re: Spare VAX' Message-ID: <91m5ju$c7i$1@joe.rice.edu>o  ) G Swanson (swanson@nsabp.pitt.edu) wrote:wH : We're looking for a small vax or vaxstation to act as a backup machineJ : for our current vax-4000. It won't have to run all the software we have,I : but act as a backup if the main is own. Does any one know of a reseller  : of used vaxes?     http://www.midwest-sys.com/a   Midwest Systems Home Page      http://www.glcomp.com/E   Used computer equipment, refurbished Compaq, Digital, DEC, HP, IBM,o  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:53:22 -0600w7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>t% Subject: Re: start/que/search problemw- Message-ID: <3A3EBF92.9E64C92C@earthlink.net>:   Ray Phelan wrote:t >  > All, > D > We have a DCL menu facility for our clients, to restart printing a< > report from a string, using the START/QUE/SEARCH commands. > J > This was working fine, until recently we have moved our clients to AlphaA > DS10, running VMS 7.2-1.  The print queue is a LAT print queue.R > @ > When the users now use this facility, it puts the queue into aJ > "RESUMING" state, and brings the box to a grinding halt.  Usually beforeJ > this happens, we reboot the box, this also clears the state of the print > queue. > D > Is there a patch fix or bug fix for this problem, or is it a known! > problem with a work around.????s  " I hope you've taken this to heart:   DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ vers>' Alpha V7.1-2   (AlphaStation 200 4/233):* DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ help start /que /search   START      /QUEUE       /SEARCHy  !           /SEARCH="search-string"i  B        Specifies that printing is to resume at the page containingE        the specified string. The search for the string moves forward,eC        beginning on the page following the current page. During theoB        search, consecutive tabs and spaces are treated as a singleE        space, and character case is ignored. The string can be from 1.F        to 63 characters and must be enclosed in quotation marks (" ").H        Use this qualifier only when restarting an output execution queue        from a paused state.-   -- - David J. DachteraK dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 22:13:52 GMT( From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet.be (BMcN) Subject: Re: UCX Bug. Message-ID: <Xns900EE7051BMcN@212.100.160.123>  : hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote message* <91lcmg$h2c$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Response Follows...Y   >In articleeB ><rdeininger-1712001113060001@user-2iveb1t.dialup.mindspring.com>,6 >rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: D >:In article <8G4%5.2138$TC3.690005@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, "MrSignor", >:<MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net> wrote:  >:6 >:> > why don't you simply call compaq vms support and >:> > report the problem.T8 >:> being a hoppyist ... I don't have a support contract >vD >  If you have any expectations of using informal problem reporting G >  channels (eg: newsgroups) for problem reports such as this one, you 0I >  *must* make reproducing the problem as easy as you can.  This includes I >  providing a full and concise reproducer, all version information, etc.e >rH >  If you wish formal help resolving the reported problem(s), including G >  Compaq's assistance with reproducers or problem identification, and aG >  particularly if you want the creation of ECO kit(s), then that is a m >  contract service. >oH >  Time to add a "how to report a problem" section to the OpenVMS FAQ... >yF >:What happens if a non-contracted person calls the support center to H >:report a bug?  Suppose he just wants to report it, and doesn't expect + >:to get a fix?  Will they accept the call?e > G >  I do not know.  (I would expect (hope) that the non-contract problemiH >  report would be accepted, but I do not know that it actually will be 
 >  accepted.)- >-H >:I think Hoff has said in the past that *security-related* bugs should I >"be reported this way, since Compaq is interested in fixing theses ASAP.e >kE >  Correct.  I have had several discussions with the OpenVMS SecurityrH >  product manager on this topic, and the CSC should accept specificallyG >  security-relevent reports from most any channel.  (Though preferably-G >  not by finding the reports here in comp.os.vms, as those folks of a eF >  nefarious orientation do tend to follow this and other newsgroups.)     I'd interpret this as...I "If you don't have a support contract, and don't have any friendly local oK administrator who you can get to reproduce and report on your behalf, then rC your issue will get (much) lower priority - if Support accepts it.    I Otherwise, provide good instructions to reproduce the problem, post here kJ politely. And someone will probably reproduce and report for you if nobodyD already has a solution. Security issues understandably handled more  discreetly."  G Got a chuckle from the security bugs comments. However, as someone who eB follows this group via news, I miss having a FAQ appearing on the L newsgroup. Last time I can see it having been posted was 17 Aug 2000. Fine. & If that's the last revision, so be it.L But it says "Posting-Frequency: monthly", and I can understand that getting J the whole thing monthly would be a pain for people subscribed via mailing  lists.  L Might I suggest posting a link to latest copies on a fortnightly or monthly & basis when there have been no updates.  2 I know it would make me check there more often ;-)   -- h+ Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>beh  - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')u - F.Z.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:11:50 GMTh From: ryanf@csinet.net+ Subject: VAXELN Network-ability question...I) Message-ID: <91lnhg$4t7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   @ I am trying to ping a VAXELN V4.6 4NN computer from a plant wideG network to an isolated network.  However, the VAXELN OS does not appearhG to support basic tcpip functions such as ping or able to use RIP.  Am I G lacking in software (such as a UCX type package)?  I know the VAXELN is F able to have an IP address and can use telnet or set host to reach it.  A For more information please refer to an earlier submission titledg$ Alpha (RIP) Routing Network Question  $ possibly at the following address... http://x54.deja.com/getdoc.xp?1 AN=704582689&CONTEXT=977165392.374472718&hitnum=1      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Dec 2000 00:04:08 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: VAXELN Network-ability question...86 Message-ID: <91m8lo$lo0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  B In article <91lnhg$4t7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, ryanf@csinet.net writes:A :I am trying to ping a VAXELN V4.6 4NN computer from a plant wideoH :network to an isolated network.  However, the VAXELN OS does not appearH :to support basic tcpip functions such as ping or able to use RIP.  Am IH :lacking in software (such as a UCX type package)?  I know the VAXELN isG :able to have an IP address and can use telnet or set host to reach it.   D   A particular VAXeln dedicated run-time environment typically only E   contains those components it was specifically built with -- VAXeln oD   does not haul along any functions or features "gratuitously".  If B   the particular VAXeln host you are pinging was not built with IPF   and ICMP (ping) support, well, your pings will likely go unanswered.D   You will need to check with the folks that built the particular...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:38:33 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)/ Subject: Re: VAXELN Network-ability question... ) Message-ID: <t_y%5.1411$XY5.19468@insync>    ryanf@csinet.net wrote:aB : I am trying to ping a VAXELN V4.6 4NN computer from a plant wideI : network to an isolated network.  However, the VAXELN OS does not appeartI : to support basic tcpip functions such as ping or able to use RIP.  Am IoI : lacking in software (such as a UCX type package)?  I know the VAXELN is H : able to have an IP address and can use telnet or set host to reach it. : C : For more information please refer to an earlier submission titledt& : Alpha (RIP) Routing Network Question : & : possibly at the following address...  : http://x54.deja.com/getdoc.xp?3 : AN=704582689&CONTEXT=977165392.374472718&hitnum=1p :  : 1 Is this a Honeywell TDC 3000 DCS Planet Module ?  ) If so, it was only sold with LAT, AFAIK. O  J There's a Honeywell package to access data from a VMS host system, CM50x. % You may find information on CM50x at:e     http://www.iac.honeywell.com/d.   Honeywell IAC Serving the Process Industries  H Also, someone in the sci.engr.control newsgroup may have more knowledge 	 about it.   / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid"2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:52:18 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util6 Message-ID: <91m0ui$jue$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <91l8ii$r3u@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Tim Gray" <tim.gray@nospam_rl.ac.uk> writes: 8 :Hi, I have a question relating to C programming on VMS.  G   This question looks to have less to do specifically with C, and more  J   to do with the norms for OpenVMS programming (using C), and the typical @   or expected user interfaces for OpenVMS utilities and tools...  I :I'm writing what is basically a UDP proxy server, and for administrationaG :purposes want to communicate with it whilst it's running. The simplest-I :communication would be to tell it to shutdown for example, or to display.( :current runnings statistics/parameters.  E   I have typically used mailboxes, ICC, DECnet, and IP messaging for 8E   this purpose.  Mostly with application-specific messaging, but havesE   also used other schemes depending on the task and the requirements.n  > :I'm wondering if there's like a standard model to use here...  E   Nope, not really.  Various will use either an application specific  I   management interface, or the application can potentially use something kA   like an SNMP MIB, or a web-based management variant.  (The old iG   Enterprise Management Architecture (EMA) scheme was intended to be a CG   solution to all this management stuff, but the EMA approach was, um,  J   less than successful in retrospect, and one of the few salient examples C   left of an EMA-style application is the NCL tool in DECnet-Plus.)   2 :Another way I thought was to use logical names...  G   Simple to implement, but messy to manage and tends not to scale well.   @ :I guess I'm wondering if anyone has any source examples of thisM :sort of communication between processes on VMS, or can point me in the rightAL :direction / recommend a method. I've sort of got the hang of C, but not the :hooks into a VMS platform.   J   For basic client-server communucations, see SYS$EXAMPLES:DB* for DECnet,J   and see UCX$EXAMPLES: or TCPIP$EXAMPLES (depending on the particular IP G   version) for IP.  For examples of some basic DCL DECnet task-to-task  F   communications, please see the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard area.  VariousD   mailbox examples exist around, as do examples of the OpenVMS V7.2 /   Intra-Cluster Communicatons (ICC) Services...b  ( : guess the admin util method is good...  M   I typically prefer to use a control program, either as a command interface yN   or a CGI variant that generates HTML (and that can be used via a webserver),I   or an SNMP MIB.  Also see the Compaq Insight Management information at: 6     http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/management/  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 20:09:33 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?6 Message-ID: <91lqtt$j2n$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  l In article <4.2.0.58.20001218075134.00ad09a0@poptop.llnl.gov>, "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> writes:  F :A company named Meridian produces the LAT for Tru64 Unix. Maybe they  :support Linux too.   K   Meridian Technology (MO, USA) licenses (licensed?) the LAT protocol, and cE   also (AFAIK) provided example source code as part of the package.  a  I   The Meridian Technology website is located at http://www.meridian.com/.c  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2000 15:53:48 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) 6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?- Message-ID: <0VUTWbo8uD3P@cuebid.zko.dec.com>s  k In article <91lqtt$j2n$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:r > n > In article <4.2.0.58.20001218075134.00ad09a0@poptop.llnl.gov>, "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> writes: > H > :A company named Meridian produces the LAT for Tru64 Unix. Maybe they  > :support Linux too.l > M >   Meridian Technology (MO, USA) licenses (licensed?) the LAT protocol, and  G >   also (AFAIK) provided example source code as part of the package.    > K >   The Meridian Technology website is located at http://www.meridian.com/.e  H      Note that Meridian is effectively ending their involvement with LATE at the end of this year (per the website and other information posted,( publicly on the DECUServe notes system).   -- t Not speaking for Compaq . . .t  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 22:38:49 GMT' From: dcpik@bbc.com (David Pikcilingis)t6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?1 Message-ID: <977180777.472811@ohreally.bosbc.com>c  M Boston Business Computing's EDT+ (as well as our other products) runs on mostc versions of Linux.   We can be contacted at:o         sales@bosbc.come   Our WWW site is:         www.bosbc.comR   Regards,   David Pikcilingiso    M In article <rX0sdEhQbEw2@flying>, Alan Frisbie <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote:N7 + While I have no intention of giving up VMS, I do want 6 + to learn about Linux.   While doing so, I would like. + to have some of my favorite tools available: +  +     1) EDT +     2) TPU
 +     3) TECO:+ +     4) Printing to LAT-connected printerss + 8 + Does anyone know of Linux versions of any of the above/ + and where I can obtain (even for money) them?t + 	 + Thanks,  + Alan +  + -- XD + --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" ComB + --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 22:44:56 GMT' From: dcpik@bbc.com (David Pikcilingis)w6 Subject: Re: VMS tools for Linux: EDT, TPU, TECO, LAT?1 Message-ID: <977181144.301543@ohreally.bosbc.com>V  M In article <llShNy7sB$Ni@flying>, Alan Frisbie <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote: 8 + Thanks to everyone who replied to my query.   It looks8 + like there are several choices.   In reply to a few of + the comments:X + + + Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote:  +  + >     1) EDT  + > http://www.bosbc.com/edt.htm + >     2) TPU) + > http://www.asoft-dev.com/tpu_info.htmt + B + While both companies list "Unix" on their web site, neither list( + any variety of Linux in their pricing. +   7 Looks like we need to do a little work on our WWW site!d  A + Both companies used to have a presence at DECUS symposia, but I:? + have not seen either one for several years.   Their web sites = + appear to be their only sign of life.   The lack of mentiont< + of Linux makes it seem that there is nobody home, however.  F We have versions of all our tools that work on most versions of Linux.  A We have been so several shows under the Compaq umbrella but it iso just not the focus.  n   Regards,   David Pikcilingise  > Boston Business Computing            OpenVMS to UNIX Solutions> 13 Branch Street                            PH : (978)725-3222> Methuen, MA 01844-1955    www.bosbc.com     FAX: (978)725-3229      ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:31:19 +0000 (   ) 3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>4! Subject: Re: X terminal for MAC ?9I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10012182026490.9632-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>0  $ On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, JF Mezei wrote:  O > Is there an X terminal emulator for macintosh available on the net ? (so that T > I could use the mac as a second screen onto a vaxstation (which has a b/W screen).  C Yes.  Microimages X server is free on macintosh, and is a wonderfule product.  ) http://www.microimages.com/freestuff/mix/w  0 It works on my roommate's lc3 (68k) very nicely.  J As a caution, make sure that you setup stuffit _not_ to convert text filesI at all before you unpack it, or you'll get font problems. (they're in bdf-D format, which is text, and I think the X server depends on that text having unix line-breaks)   Regards,   Chris/  O ===============================================================================a@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmert Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % -------------------------------------sI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andiH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 PO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------l   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 19:04:47 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)) Subject: Re: XP1000 - which Graphics Cardp, Message-ID: <91ln4f$snr@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  d In article <91lhqh$6an2$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:   >eH >A P300 is a several thousand dollar 3D graphics card.  A ELSA card is a< >several hundred dollar commodity card with only 2D support.  B The Elsa Gloria Synergy is a 2D card on VMS because that's all theJ _drivers_ support - it is not an intrinsic limitation of the card itself. G Permedia 2 cards on NT have perfectly adequate OpenGL drivers. We use a F very similar card to teach a protein structure course.  That card, theG Diamond Fire 1000GL pro, not only has an OpenGL driver, it also has thelK hardware to drive Stereographics (thats a company name) shutter glasses andaJ so provide "true" 3D views.  It's only got 8Mb of memory but that's enoughI to spin either a reasonably complex solid or a very complex wire frame inn real time and true stereo.  H Any chance that we're ever going to have an affordable (<=$300) graphicsL card for OpenVMS with a decent OpenGL driver?  Or will the Elsa replacement G card (should one ever appear) also be crippled by the lack of an OpenGLsJ driver?   It seems Compaq's strategy is to force customers into spend manyH thousands for these cards in order to get OpenGL.  But that strategy is D deeply flawed because all it really does is to force them to buy PCsI instead.   Outside of the military (and maybe not even so much there) whok9 can justify the expense of using VMS for 3D graphics???  ,   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edun? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech o   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2000 19:29:58 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: Y2038 (was RE: soon enough?)r6 Message-ID: <91lojm$iqu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D85089089F7@nts0147.beehive.com>, "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com> writes:-  :This message is in MIME format.      Please turn off MIME.  Thanks!  7 :From: helbig@astro.rug.nl [mailto:helbig@astro.rug.nl]-  :Sent: December 16, 2000 4:48 PM :To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com :Subject: soon enough? .. :) :VMS721_ACRTL-V0200: :fI :      o  The problem commonly known as the "Y2038 bug" has  been  fixed.c :aI :It seems that the Y2k problem was not as bad as feared (or everyone got i5 :everything fixed on time); what about the Y2038 bug?y    I   I've heard of at least one Y2038 bug that manifested itself during someoJ   testing of the OpenVMS security server.  That problem was identified as I   a Y2038 bug in some underlying code -- the bug was not in the security  8   server itself.  (IIRC, this particular bug was fixed.)  K   The native OpenVMS quadword format time and the UTC format both do quite -)   well in regard to the Y2038 proto-mess.   I   It would not surprise me to see other Y2038 problems surface in OpenVMS-I   (or other platform) code that is directly or indirectly using C with a .E   signed longword time_t value -- this overflows early in Y2038.  TheEH   earliest of users to see Y2038 would have been back in Y1998, and the J   next crop will see it in Y2008 -- with the forty- and thirty-year bonds.I   Users of an unsigned longword time_t value will have longer before theyEL   see overflow problems, but this overflow will still occur somewhat before /   the OpenvMS quadword format itself overflows.h  J   Caveat: not everything on or ported to OpenVMS uses the native quadword L   time format or UTC.  If Y2K was any indication, some stuff lurking around K   probably does use a signed longword value for time_t, and this code coulda.   potentially overflow in (or before) Y2038...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.706 ************************