1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 711       Contents: Re: ACMS & Codasyl database  Apache CGI Install Problem AutoReply & MX etc Re: AutoReply & MX etc Re: AutoReply & MX etc Re: DCPS flag page format ' DECnet Error After Adding DE500 to 2100 " Re: Dismount of Drives at Shutdown" Re: Dismount of Drives at Shutdown  Re: DS10 and maximum VMS version  Re: DS10 and maximum VMS version  Re: DS10 and maximum VMS version# Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster  Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.02 Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 boot6 Re: Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 boot" Enterprise Architect hard at work!& Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!& Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!& Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!& Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!& Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!# Error After Adding New Network Card ' Re: Error After Adding New Network Card ! Re: Flackey fibre channel support $ Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE # Re: Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE  Re: Mozilla 0.6 = Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names? = Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names? ! Re: Problem with linking C++ code ! Re: Problem with linking C++ code 3 Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state??? 3 Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state??? 3 Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state??? D RE: SMTP Server under OpenVMS AXP V6.2/UCX V4 Character Set Probl	em? SMTP Server under OpenVMS AXP V6.2/UCX V4 Character Set Problem C Re: SMTP Server under OpenVMS AXP V6.2/UCX V4 Character Set Problem  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster . Sun's Ecache woes drone on and on and on . . .) Re: System halts when console is shut off ) Re: System halts when console is shut off ) Re: System halts when console is shut off 
 Re: Thank you 	 Thank you  Re: Vax on a chip  Re: Vax on a chip   Re: Virtual I/O Cache and Oracle  Re: Virtual I/O Cache and Oracle  RE: Virtual I/O Cache and Oracle  Re: Virtual I/O Cache and Oracle+ Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util  Re: VMS 7.3 EFT2 Q  Re: XP1000 - which Graphics Card	 Re: Y2038 	 Re: Y2038 	 Re: Y2038 	 Re: Y2038   Re: Y2038 (was RE: soon enough?)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:52:14 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> $ Subject: Re: ACMS & Codasyl database8 Message-ID: <3ek34tcmvm6qogubo2i27dekosntsp938u@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:27:29 GMT, "Dave Pampreen"  <davepampreen@home.com> wrote:  K >I got an update about 4 months ago with DBMS 7.0.3 RBD, CDD, and they were ' >nice enough to include Oracle 8 too :)  > ; >We run MANMAN using DBMS, was your questions DBMS or ACMS?   C That's interesting as the last update I received was DBMS 7.0-2 and D RDB 7.0-3. We also have Oracle 8.0.5.1 (I think that's the version).@ Sounds like I may have missed an update and perhaps the one I've! missed is a unified distribution.      >Dave 3 >"Alan Greig" <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote in message 3 >news:f1ku3tsos4826e2srrlts4qmfi5qtgntv4@4ax.com... D >> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:50:41 GMT, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote: >> >>G >> >It is still called DBMS, V7.03 is coming up, and it is a Very Large  >> >Memory database.D >> >You can find it on the Rdb CD-Rom set, because Oracle packed all* >> >ex-Digital software on one CD-Rom set. >>G >> Maybe this differs by region but our (UK) RDB and DBMS distributions  >> come in separate boxes  >> >> -- 
 >> Alan Greig  >    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:45:22 GMT + From: tom@automatedtech.com (Tom Hickerson) # Subject: Apache CGI Install Problem 2 Message-ID: <3a424023.4816956@news.mindspring.com>  ; No noticeable trouble installing CSWS Apache and the basic  B http server seems to work fine but we can't get CGI to function.    C What kind of things would cause the following log when running  the  TEST-CGI-VMS examples?  = "GENERIC_SOCKETPAIR_inet_client: connect: connection refused.     
 Tom Hickerson  tom@automatedtech.com       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:42:16 +0000 2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> Subject: AutoReply & MX etc . Message-ID: <3A4224D8.23BE595F@CCAgroup.co.uk>  D Anyone know how to do out-of-office autoreplies from VMSmail or MX ?  F I could probably set up a 'holiday' email address to go through the MXH site interface, and return a reply, and have users forward their mail toG it for the holidays, but I'd really like them to have a copy too, which ( requires something a little more clever.  F I wondered whether routing everything through the site interface wouldH be a sensible option, and just passing most stuff straight onto VMS; but@ I don't have any feel for whether that's an acceptable overhead.  G I'd appreciate direct replies, since I'm off for 10 days now, & I'm not @ sure whether messages will drop off the news server in that time  9 I'd also like to avoid autoreplying to list messages etc.    Thanks, & Merry Christmas  Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:51:22 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>  Subject: Re: AutoReply & MX etc ) Message-ID: <3A4226FA.53113F62@Omond.net>    Chris Sharman wrote:  F > Anyone know how to do out-of-office autoreplies from VMSmail or MX ? > H > I could probably set up a 'holiday' email address to go through the MXJ > site interface, and return a reply, and have users forward their mail toI > it for the holidays, but I'd really like them to have a copy too, which * > requires something a little more clever. > H > I wondered whether routing everything through the site interface wouldJ > be a sensible option, and just passing most stuff straight onto VMS; butB > I don't have any feel for whether that's an acceptable overhead. > I > I'd appreciate direct replies, since I'm off for 10 days now, & I'm not B > sure whether messages will drop off the news server in that time > ; > I'd also like to avoid autoreplying to list messages etc.   G Install DELIVER (available from multiple sites, including Freeware CD).   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Dec 2000 16:01:15 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: AutoReply & MX etc 0 Message-ID: <91t9gb$eeq$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  c In article <3A4224D8.23BE595F@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes: E >Anyone know how to do out-of-office autoreplies from VMSmail or MX ?  > G >I could probably set up a 'holiday' email address to go through the MX I >site interface, and return a reply, and have users forward their mail to H >it for the holidays, but I'd really like them to have a copy too, which) >requires something a little more clever.  > G >I wondered whether routing everything through the site interface would I >be a sensible option, and just passing most stuff straight onto VMS; but A >I don't have any feel for whether that's an acceptable overhead.  > H >I'd appreciate direct replies, since I'm off for 10 days now, & I'm notA >sure whether messages will drop off the news server in that time  > : >I'd also like to avoid autoreplying to list messages etc.  L Here is some sort of a DCL hack that does the stuff you want. It makes a fewF site specific assumptions (we have Multinet) but these are documented.   $!J $! Procedure to extract articles from within VMS-Mail to send an automatic1 $! reply. Useful for users currently on vacation. L $! This procedure is supposed to run in batch mode under the user's account. $!? $! Derived from a template kindly provided by Monika Haberland.  $!                              I $! Automatic control via subject of mail is possible: START, STOP, DELETE N $! The text sent back via reply is ABSENT.TXT in the user's [.MAIL]-directory. $!J $! In SYS$LOGIN:REPLIED_ADDRESSES.TXT is a list of all e-mail addresses toI $! which ABSENT.TXT has already been delivered. This file must be removed L $! manually if this procedure has not been stopped via a mail with a DELETE- $! or a STOP-subject.  $!N $! The procedure moves all mails that have been answered to a folder ANSWERED.@ $! In oder to retrieve these messages via POP3, define a logical4 $!       DEFINE MULTINET_POP3_SOURCE_FOLDER ANSWEREDG $! in the user's LOGIN.COM, download everything and remove the logical.  $! $! $! Ch.G. 07.03.97 M $! H.Z.  26.08.97 variable loginname, no reply to user all, save and compare  J $!                reply-addresses, start and stop with controls in subject $!                of the mail L $! Ch.G. 02.09.97 automatic purge of log- & com-file, removed version numberG $!                from comfile for resubmit, logfile now in sys$scratch D $! Ch.G. 14.01.98 unused code removed, small bug fix conc. replymailF $! Ch.G. 15.01.98 delete control messages, purge logs to 1 when DELETE% $!                message is received C $! Ch.G. 09.07.99 delete absent.txt when DELETE message is received J $! Ch.G. 23.07.99 an empty sub causes trouble => converted to "no subject"? $!                bug fix (authorized user improperly detected)  $! $! $ SET VERIFY $! $ replymail = P1, $ IF replymail .EQS. "" THEN replymail = "1" $! $ login = F$TRNLNM("sys$login")  $ len   = F$LOCATE("]", login ) & $ maildir = F$EXTRACT( 0, len, login ) $ mdir    = maildir + ".MAIL]"$ $ messagedir   = mdir + "ABSENT.TXT"B $ checkaddress = F$EDIT( F$GETJPI("", "USERNAME"), "TRIM, UPCASE") $! $! delete all temporary files 9 $ IF F$SEARCH("sys$scratch:maildir*.tmp") .NES. "" THEN - 6      DELETE/NOLOG/NOCONFIRM sys$scratch:maildir*.tmp;*7 $ IF F$SEARCH("sys$scratch:reply*.txt") .NES. "" THEN - (      DEL/NOCONF sys$scratch:reply*.txt;*7 $ IF F$SEARCH("sys$scratch:search.tmp") .NES. "" THEN - -      DEL/NOCONF sys$scratch:search.tmp;*       $! $ delreply = 0 $ GOSUB read_new_mail : $ IF mailanz .EQ. -1 THEN GOTO resub			! no mail to reply  $!2 $ OPEN/WRITE ofile sys$scratch:maildir_extract.tmp $ WRITE ofile "$ MAIL" $ WRITE ofile "SELECT newmail"
 $ inum = 0
 $ im   = 0 $! $loop1: B $    number     = F$EXTRACT(  0,   5, mailline'im' )	! mail numberE $    source     = F$EXTRACT(  6,  21, mailline'im' )	! source address C $    date       = F$EXTRACT( 27,  13, mailline'im' )	! date of mail G $    subject    = F$EXTRACT( 40, 100, mailline'im' )	! subject complete ) $! string trim and upcase , string-length * $    pos    = F$LOCATE("SMTP%""", source )  $    slen   = F$LENGTH( source )D $    IF pos .LT. slen THEN source = F$EXTRACT( 6, slen - 6, source )- $    s1     = F$EDIT( source, "TRIM, UPCASE")  $    GOSUB kill_quotes. $    sub    = F$EDIT( subject, "TRIM, UPCASE") $! $! no reply from user "all"      $    i = F$LOCATE("ALL", s1 ) 8 $    userall = ( i .EQ. 0 .OR. i .EQ. 6 .OR. i .EQ. 7 )  $!" $! no reply from user "system"      $    i = F$LOCATE("SYSTEM", s1 ); $    usersystem = ( i .EQ. 0 .OR. i .EQ. 6 .OR. i .EQ. 7 )   $!) $    selectuser = userall .OR. usersystem  $!  $! already replied to source ??? $    replied = 0 $!    > $    IF F$SEARCH("sys$scratch:replied_addresses.txt") .NES. ""
 $    THEN N $       SEARCH/OUTP=sys$scratch:search.tmp sys$scratch:replied_addresses.txt -;                                             'mod_source'    I $    	IF F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES("sys$scratch:search.tmp", "EOF") .GT. 0 THEN -             replied = 10 $       DELETE/NOCONFIRM sys$scratch:search.tmp;
 $    ENDIF $!F $    IF .NOT. replied .AND. .NOT. selectuser .AND. replymail .EQS. "1"	 $    THEN B $       IF F$SEARCH("sys$scratch:replied_addresses.txt") .NES. "" 
 $       THEN  < $          OPEN/APPEND tmp sys$scratch:replied_addresses.txt $	   WRITE tmp s1  $	   CLOSE tmp $       ELSE5 $	   OPEN/WRITE tmp sys$scratch:replied_addresses.txt  $	   WRITE tmp s1  $	   CLOSE tmp
 $       ENDIF 
 $    ENDIF $ - $! user authorized to change reply-status ???  $    changereply = 03 $ WRITE sys$output "check ***", checkaddress, "***" ) $ WRITE sys$output "s1    ***", s1, "***" 3 $ WRITE sys$output "len(s1) :", F$LENGTH( s1 ), " " E $ WRITE sys$output "loc( check, s1 ): ", F$LOCATE( checkaddress, s1 ) 8 $    IF F$LOCATE( checkaddress, s1 ) .LT. F$LENGTH( s1 )
 $    THEN / $       IF sub .EQS. "" THEN sub = "no subject" * $       IF F$LOCATE("START", sub ) .EQ. 0  $          THEN  $          replymail   = "1" $          changereply = 1
 $	ENDIF  	) $       IF F$LOCATE("STOP", sub ) .EQ. 0   $          THEN  $	   replymail   = "0" $	   changereply = 1@ $	   IF F$SEARCH("sys$scratch:replied_addresses.txt") .NES. "" -D               THEN DELETE/NOCONF sys$scratch:replied_addresses.txt;* $	ENDIF + $       IF F$LOCATE("DELETE", sub ) .EQ. 0   $          THEN  $	      replymail   = "0"  $	      changereply = 1  $	      delreply    = 1 C $	      IF F$SEARCH("sys$scratch:replied_addresses.txt") .NES. "" - G                  THEN DELETE/NOCONF sys$scratch:replied_addresses.txt;* - $             DELETE/NOCONFIRM 'messagedir';* 
 $	   ENDIF
 $    ENDIF $!D $    IF .NOT. selectuser .AND. .NOT. changereply .AND. .NOT. replied
 $    THEN  $       inum = inum + 1  $       WRITE ofile numberB $       WRITE ofile "REPLY/SUBJ=""Re: ", subject,""" ", messagedir- $       WRITE ofile "MOVE/NOCONFIRM ANSWERED" 	 $    ELSE  $       IF .NOT. changereply $          THEN  $          WRITE ofile number 0 $          WRITE ofile "MOVE/NOCONFIRM ANSWERED" $       ELSE $          WRITE ofile number  $          WRITE ofile "DELETE" 
 $       ENDIF 
 $    ENDIF $!* $    IF im .EQ. mailanz THEN GOTO endloop1 $    im = im +1  $    GOTO loop1 
 $endloop1: $! $ WRITE ofile "EXIT" $ WRITE ofile "$ EXIT"
 $ CLOSE ofile  $!3 $ @sys$scratch:maildir_extract.tmp	  ! now reply... 3 $ DELETE/NOLOG/NOCONFIRM sys$scratch:maildir*.tmp;*  $! $resub: O $ pname = F$ELEMENT( 0, ";", F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE") )   ! no version number L $ lname = "sys$scratch:" + F$PARSE( pname,,, "NAME", "SYNTAX_ONLY") + ".LOG" $ IF .NOT. delreply 	 $    THEN  $    GOSUB resubmit  $    PURGE/KEEP=10 'lname' $ ELSE $    PURGE 'lname' $ ENDIF D $! PURGE/NOCONFIRM 'pname'   ! doesn't work under a non-priv account $! $ EXIT $!A $!---------------------------------------------------------------  $! $read_new_mail: / $!---------------------------------------------  $! $!1 $ DEFINE/USER sys$output sys$scratch:maildir1.tmp  $ MAIL DIRECTORY newmail  EXIT $!
 $ mailanz = 0 / $ OPEN/READ maildfile1 sys$scratch:maildir1.tmp  $rnm1:/ $    READ/END=rnm2 maildfile1 mailline'mailanz' O $    date = F$EXTRACT( 27,  13, mailline'mailanz' )              ! date of mail @ $    IF F$LOCATE("-", date ) .EQ. 2 .AND. F$LOCATE("-", date ) -8         .NE. F$LENGTH( date ) THEN mailanz = mailanz + 1 $    GOTO rnm1 $rnm2: $ mailanz = mailanz - 1  $ CLOSE maildfile13 $ DELETE/NOLOG/NOCONFIRM sys$scratch:maildir*.tmp;*  $ RETURN $! $!
 $resubmit:/ $!---------------------------------------------  $!, $! submits the procedure with new parameters $!4 $ time  = """" + F$CVTIME("+6:00","ABSOLUTE") + """"8 $ SUBMIT/NONOTIFY/QUEUE=sys$batch/NOPRINT/AFTER='time' -7         /LOG='lname'/NOPRINT/PARA=('replymail') 'pname'  $! $ RETURN/ $!---------------------------------------------  $! $ kill_quotes:/ $!---------------------------------------------  $    mod_source = "" $    cnt = 0 $    begin_loop:' $       h1 = F$ELEMENT( cnt, """", s1 ) + $       IF h1 .EQS. """" THEN GOTO end_loop  $       IF cnt .NE. 0  $          THEN 0 $          mod_source = mod_source + """""" + h1 $       ELSE' $          mod_source = mod_source + h1 
 $       ENDIF  $       cnt = cnt + 1  $       GOTO begin_loop  $    end_loop:* $    mod_source = """" + mod_source + """" $ RETURN     Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:26:09 +0100v' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> " Subject: Re: DCPS flag page format* Message-ID: <3A422F21.3F86A11A@iaf.fhg.de>   Paul Anderson wrote: > H > While looking at a DCPS flag page recently, it occurred to me that theF > node and username format is in "DECnet" format; that is, NODE::USER.E > This is independent of the protocol used to print the job:  DECnet,c5 > TCP/IP, LAT, AppleTalk or direct serial connection.c > D > Interestingly, PrintServer printers went the other way and startedJ > displaying the "USER@NODE" format on their front panel when they started; > supporting TCP/IP even if the connection was over DECnet.r > D > Would anyone like the ability to choose the format of the node andJ > username on the DCPS flag page?  For example, to see "user@node" insteadJ > of NODE::USER?  Would you like to see this consistent on all jobs on the8 > system or vary by network protocol or user preference? > J > I'm not saying we're going to change anything, but I'd like to know what > you think. >  > Paul >  > --. >    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS). >    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA    E You asked for flag page format... since christmas is coming I've some+ wishes:e@    - An interface for PostScript Printer Description (PPD) filesF      for third-party PostScript printers. (We've Tektronix Phaser 740)B    - Support for the internet printing protocol http://www.pwg.org,    - An GUI like CUPS http://www.cups.org or http://www.easysw.com/printpro/      Merry Christmas! -- n  ; ***********************************************************s; *                                                         *e; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *.; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *s; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *s; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       * ; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *i; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *a; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *a; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  * ; *                                                         *-; ***********************************************************0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:41:35 -0600 / From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>i0 Subject: DECnet Error After Adding DE500 to 2100R Message-ID: <6FACDDDFBD7BD411B38100D0B7B0CDCC40B5F7@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  1 We're running VMS V6.2 on an AlphaServer 2100. Wer- just added a DE500 to the system along with a / number of ECOs. The system reports that the newB/ device EWB-0 is active via LANCP, but if we tryd* and add the device to DECnet (phase IV) we+ receive the following when we try and starts DECnet.i  1 %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created processh is 29600171'. %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of MOM$SYSTEM has been supersededr# %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value ofn' MOM$SYSTEM_NOSOFTID has been supersededx# %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of0% MOM$SYSTEM_SOFTID has been superseded:. %NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format , Line Line = EWB-0' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name>. %NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format , Circuitk Circuit = EWB-0g' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device nameM) %NCP-I-NOINFO, No information in databaseB1 %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process  is 29600173   $ Ed Stuart                           ( Manager, Systems and Desktop Services	   Information Technology Servicesm City of Austin, Austin Energyc Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com  + "Glittering prizes and endless compromises 5. shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Pert  B *Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here*   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:06:16 +0100 (CET)w: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>+ Subject: Re: Dismount of Drives at ShutdownnJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012210959270.16057-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  & On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Stuart, Ed wrote:   +Hello all;  [...] H +the cluster it mounts all the drives it needs.  However, when the nodesM +shutdown the dismounts are not done cluster-wide and the drives being servedfM +by the machine that went down go into mount verification because the host is 
 +unavailable.o  ?  I am right, that you depend of the dismount done automaticallye3 with SHUTDOWN and have not a code in SYSHTDWN.COM ?d  = +  How can we get the drives to dismount/cluster on the nodesa +when the nodes shutdown?   :  You are suposed -:) to write code where does DISM/CLUSTER: (or the SYSMAN DISMOUNT on all nodes, mentioned here) with8 you own code started in the mentioned commandprocedure !:  Check the /ABORT and /OVERRIDE=CHECKS (of course, rebuild8 may occur in next mount) DISMOUNT qualifier description 1 in HELP - on other nodes can be open files etc. !     Regards - Gotfryd   -- rE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEo. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 04:12:15 -0400o' From: David Ruben <ruben@ccnmr.mit.edu>r+ Subject: Re: Dismount of Drives at Shutdownn0 Message-ID: <009F4E8C.AA296D8A.19@ccnmr.mit.edu>   "Stuart, Ed" wrote:d >  > [...]r > However, when the nodesoN > shutdown the dismounts are not done cluster-wide and the drives being servedN > by the machine that went down go into mount verification because the host isJ > unavailable.  How can we get the drives to dismount/cluster on the nodes > when the nodes shutdown?  K The REMOVE_NODE option of sys$system:shutdown.com causes a dismount/clusters. of all served disks which are not dual-pathed.  F I found this out to my great dismay when I tried to upgrade the systemI disk of a node which was also serving another disk containing the clustertC common files. The other nodes couldn't dismount the disk because of-E open files, didn't recognize the disk after the upgrade, and couldn'ta  abort the dismount. A real mess.  
 Dave Ruben ruben@ccnmr.mit.edu    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:15:58 GMT2! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com>s) Subject: Re: DS10 and maximum VMS versiont& Message-ID: <B+jZGDAVZeQ6EwST@gol.com>  B In article <szyCVDAR0TQ6EwnK@gol.com>, Ian Parker <parker@gol.com> writesG >In article <91rbdf$2n5$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, Dave Gudewicz,# ><david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes 2 >>From the QuickSpec for the DS10 dated 10.19.2000 >>@ >>Minimum OS support: OpenVMS v7.1-2.  <-- please note "Minimum" >> >>Also >>J >>AlphaServer DS10 OpenVMS systems include pre-installed software (V7.2-1) >> >>Rest easy. >>	 >>Dave...f >>0 >>"Ian Parker" <parker@gol.com> wrote in message" >>news:3SMU9EAruSQ6Ew3B@gol.com...	 >>> Hellod >>>eK >>> We purchased a DS10 from Compaq, had some problem installing VMS 7.2 on % >>> it and turned to Compaq for help.i >>>tK >>> To our amazement Compaq have explained that the DS10 supports VMS up toe$ >>> 7.1-2, but does not support 7.2. >>>tC >>> Is this correct?   It seems ridiculous (and disastrous for us!)i >>>b >>> Regardsd >>>n >>> Ian! >>> -- >>> Ian Parker >> >> >f >David >VA >Thanks for that quick check.  I'll go back to Compaq clutching ao( >printout of their QuickSpec in my hand. >o8 >And next time I'll try to remember to check for myself! >f >Regards >e >Ian  D My apologies.  When I stormed into the office this morning waving myD DS10 QuickSpecs it was quickly revealed to be a false alarm - indeedG probably a language problem (I'm in Japan).  As David points out, 7.2-1eE is a minimum version that's supported.  We were trying to boot from aiG 7.2 disk.  We'll upgrade the disk to 7.2-1 on the source system and try  again with the DS10.   Regardst -- r
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:32:14 +0100T= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>r) Subject: Re: DS10 and maximum VMS versions) Message-ID: <3A41EA3E.CB36A0DB@gtech.com>D   Ian Parker wrote:OI > We purchased a DS10 from Compaq, had some problem installing VMS 7.2 one# > it and turned to Compaq for help.0 > I > To our amazement Compaq have explained that the DS10 supports VMS up toc" > 7.1-2, but does not support 7.2. > A > Is this correct?   It seems ridiculous (and disastrous for us!)t   VMS 7.2-1 works on DS10.  2 I am not sure about 7.2, but why not go for 7.2-1.  ? The Compaq guy that told you DS10 with 7.2 is not supported wasy/ either completely wrong or were misleading you.,   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:38:44 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: DS10 and maximum VMS versions6 Message-ID: <91tf74$4r1$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J In article <wyxVlDAdoSQ6Ew0Y@gol.com>, Ian Parker <parker@gol.com> writes: ..H :We purchased a DS10 from Compaq, had some problem installing VMS 7.2 on" :it and turned to Compaq for help.  C   For supported version information, please see the OpenVMS SPD and F   please see the platform version support chart -- both are referenced+   in the FAQ, the latter is included below:i  ;     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/supportchart.htmlM  H :To our amazement Compaq have explained that the DS10 supports VMS up to! :7.1-2, but does not support 7.2.E  6   There was clearly a misunderstanding somewhere here.  H   The OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 release, and OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 AND LATER, 0   are supported for the AlphaServer DS10 series.  H   V7.2 itself is not supported -- based on available resources, we made G   the decision to test and support on an earlier version -- V7.1-2, theTH   release that we expected folks would want to use if they did not want G   to move to V7.2 quite yet -- and on the then-current OpenVMS version "F   that had a development schedule that best lined up with the release H   schedule of the AlphaServer DS10 platform itself, specifically V7.2-1.  >   Releases after V7.2-1 are supported on the AlphaServer DS10.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:48:03 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>, Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster6 Message-ID: <200012210744.IAA04910@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Rich Dischler wrote: > ; > The 667MHz EV67 CPU uses less power and creates less heatL' > than the 500MHz EV6 CPU chip variant.i  B If this is right, why does Conmpaq not use the EV67 CPU within theC XP900 and the DS10. They would get better performance by less power.B consumtion and less heat production. Instead of that they buy thisA two Alpha for thousands of $ with the lowest speed and high power  usage.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:27:19 -0500r1 From: Rich Dischler <richard.dischler@compaq.com> , Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster* Message-ID: <3A422156.32DCD61B@compaq.com>  - I do use the EV67 chip in the DS10 and DS10L.  The 466MHz variant uses EV6.? The 600MHz variant uses EV67 (and it really runs at 616.666MHz)e  
 Rich Dischler 6 Engineering Manager -   Uni and Dual Processor Systems COMPAQ Alpha Volume Serversp! 508 467-9655  297-9655 (internal)      Rudolf Wingert wrote:/   > Hello, >s > Rich Dischler wrote: > > = > > The 667MHz EV67 CPU uses less power and creates less heatT) > > than the 500MHz EV6 CPU chip variant.	 >WD > If this is right, why does Conmpaq not use the EV67 CPU within theE > XP900 and the DS10. They would get better performance by less poweryD > consumtion and less heat production. Instead of that they buy thisC > two Alpha for thousands of $ with the lowest speed and high power  > usage. >$ > Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:29:06 -0500 1 From: Rich Dischler <richard.dischler@compaq.com> , Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster* Message-ID: <3A4221C2.DE3EBEF3@compaq.com>  4 278MHz, dual data rate (data clocked on both edges).0 Sorry for the strong HW slant... it's what I do.  
 Rich DischlerT6 Engineering Manager -   Uni and Dual Processor Systems COMPAQ Alpha Volume Serversl! 508 467-9655  297-9655 (internal)      Taki Pioy wrote:  @ > "Rich Dischler" <richard.dischler@compaq.com> wrote in message& > news:3A3FAB85.6F1D0DE7@compaq.com...= > > The 667MHz EV67 CPU uses less power and creates less heat ) > > than the 500MHz EV6 CPU chip variant.C > >s6 > > The shrunken die features allow such an occurance.< > > But, we cranked the cache from 4MB LateWrite to 8MB DDR. > A > On the 667 module's, what are the B-cache RAM parts cycle rate?F; > 167, 222MHz or something else? (333, 444, ... data rate).. >.C > Are you hoping to crank the cache on the 21264B (?) even further,u > and using the 2/3 multiplier?S >=	 > Regardsb > /fad   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:36:48 -0500 1 From: Rich Dischler <richard.dischler@compaq.com> , Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster* Message-ID: <3A422390.D84088E1@compaq.com>  9 As stated before, the DS20 was not easily rack mountable.E9 The DS20E is rack mountable (or pedestal) and has hotswapn3 redundant power supplies, external fans, and disks.p  G Note to Terry - I cannot comment much, but the statements attributed tofL you below are not totally correct. Not the model names nor speeds. It may be2 due to changes in planning since you last heard...  
 Rich DischlerM6 Engineering Manager -   Uni and Dual Processor Systems COMPAQ Alpha Volume Serverst! 508 467-9655  297-9655 (internal)Y     Paul Repacholi wrote:.  8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >EL > > DS10E is slated for 667MHz with 8MB cache, followed by 750MHz. UncertainN > > about faster followons. May require a system redesign (a la ES45 Privateer' > > vs ES40) for the really fast stuff.- > 9 > Which touches on something I've wondered about, and not- > found a good, indepth answer:E >y3 > What IS the diffence between a DS20 and a DS20E??  >m > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.mB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:16:41 -0500m  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 5 Message-ID: <1001221021417.3113B-100000@Ives.egh.com>m  ( On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Peter Weaver wrote: [...]- > -- >   RULES OF THE AIR >   -----------------s> >   #1. Every takeoff is optional. Every landing is mandatory.  > Does anyone know the reverse case?  (Takeoff is mandatory, but landing is optional?)'  A Hint: There have been 7 instances, and in one case they exercisedE the option.-   -- - John Santos- Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 08:30:27 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0"+ Message-ID: <oPT9pbKUxcSe@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <1001221021417.3113B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:  @ > Does anyone know the reverse case?  (Takeoff is mandatory, but > landing is optional?)l  H   I know that Air Force One has taken off more times than it has landed,$   but it's not the aircraft's fault.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationx= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:18:04 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>b% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0-4 Message-ID: <93q06.101244$Z2.1206232@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  9 "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messageh% news:oPT9pbKUxcSe@eisner.decus.org...mC > In article <1001221021417.3113B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos: <JOHN@egh.com> writes: >DB > > Does anyone know the reverse case?  (Takeoff is mandatory, but > > landing is optional?)o >tB >   I know that Air Force One has taken off more times than it has landed,h& >   but it's not the aircraft's fault.  F At the risk of creating another "Technology of US elections" thread, I give up.  F What happened 7 times where the takeoff was mandatory and the landings? optional? And how did Air Force One take off more times that iti landed?e   --   RULES OF THE AIR   ----------------- ;   #2. If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger.f<       If you pull the stick back, they get smaller. That is,9       unless you keep pulling the stick all the way back,n!       then they get bigger again.r   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 12:56:35 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0n+ Message-ID: <Al3iAx2noIxw@eisner.decus.org>a  d In article <93q06.101244$Z2.1206232@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes: > H > What happened 7 times where the takeoff was mandatory and the landingsA > optional? And how did Air Force One take off more times that itP	 > landed?   F    It's only Air Force One as long as the President is on it.  RichardG    Nixon was still President when he got on it and it departed Andrews  G    but it became simply Air Force N26000 (or was it N27000) when Gerry *3    Ford was sworn in while it was still in the air.   D    Usually the aircraft is loaned to the departing president, but heB    doesn't actually leave until after the Inauguration so it's not(    Air Force One while he's flying away.  1    I wonder if Bill is going to NY or Georgetown?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:57:38 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com % Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0*D Message-ID: <OF5A8C5333.EA6CAF20-ON882569BC.0062998F@foundation.com>  K I took off once but didn't land in the plane, does that count? (Parachuting@ for charity)   Shanej          4 John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> on 12/20/2000 11:16:41 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComF cc:s  & Subject:  Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0    ( On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Peter Weaver wrote: [...]D > -- >   RULES OF THE AIR >   -----------------h> >   #1. Every takeoff is optional. Every landing is mandatory.  > Does anyone know the reverse case?  (Takeoff is mandatory, but landing is optional?)w  A Hint: There have been 7 instances, and in one case they exercisede the option.s   -- John SantosS Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:27:21 -0500 (EST)r6 From: Horst Drechsel <ai05@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>; Subject: Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 bootc< Message-ID: <009F4EC9.727FF399.1@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>   Hi all,m  6    Re: XP1000 / VMS 7.2-1 / Elsa Gloria Synergy (GZA0)  F Our problem: when booting the XP1000, DECwindows won't start, claiming                Number of screens:R+              Screen devices and order: NONEs  ? i.e. the graphics card is not properly recognized at boot time.SE However, if you then login without X environment, one can explicitelyo start DECwindows byg  (              $ @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP  J which will successfully bring up DECwindows (automatically using "GZA0" as screen device).p  H    Please, can anybody tell me in which of the DECW$* init files to look for the problem -a"                    DECW$DEVICE.COM,                    DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_GZ.COM0                    DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_COMMON.COM0                    DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM                    ...$                    or whatever else?      Thanks and bye,  
      Horst    .   --M  ****************************************************************************d)   Horst Drechsel                          L   Dr. Remeis Observatory                 drechsel@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.deL   Astronomical Institute                             Phone: +49-951-95222-15L   University Erlangen-Nuernberg                        Fax: +49-951-95222-22*   Sternwartstr.7, D-96049 Bamberg, GermanyM  ****************************************************************************s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:58:45 GMTa( From: Jim Eastman <eastman@alcdsb.on.ca>? Subject: Re: Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 boot , Message-ID: <3A421C3A.C3461D02@alcdsb.on.ca>  - I had the same problem installing on a DS20E.o  < There is a reference to this somewhere in the release notes.- There should be a [ELSA.KIT] directory on the= VMS7.2-1 CD, and you just run= @DKAxxxx:[elsa.kit]elsa_installA   then $ MC sysman io autoconfigure $ @sysmanager:decw$startup   Hope this helps.     Horst Drechsel wrote:l  	 > Hi all,= >=8 >    Re: XP1000 / VMS 7.2-1 / Elsa Gloria Synergy (GZA0) >=H > Our problem: when booting the XP1000, DECwindows won't start, claiming >o! >              Number of screens:t- >              Screen devices and order: NONEd >nA > i.e. the graphics card is not properly recognized at boot time.wG > However, if you then login without X environment, one can explicitelys > start DECwindows byi >a* >              $ @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP >aL > which will successfully bring up DECwindows (automatically using "GZA0" as > screen device).i > J >    Please, can anybody tell me in which of the DECW$* init files to look > for the problem -t$ >                    DECW$DEVICE.COM. >                    DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_GZ.COM2 >                    DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_COMMON.COM2 >                    DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM >                    ...& >                    or whatever else? >  >    Thanks and bye, >o >      Horst >u >o > --O >  ****************************************************************************i >   Horst DrechselN >   Dr. Remeis Observatory                 drechsel@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.deN >   Astronomical Institute                             Phone: +49-951-95222-15N >   University Erlangen-Nuernberg                        Fax: +49-951-95222-22, >   Sternwartstr.7, D-96049 Bamberg, GermanyO >  ****************************************************************************    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 08:59:38 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)+ Subject: Enterprise Architect hard at work! + Message-ID: <o+k9sSEuAF7f@eisner.decus.org>   : 	Hey guys... does this look like an Enterprise Architect's 	recommendations or what???.  L http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO55351_NLTpm%2C00.html  M "Sun supplied an external cache-refresh kernel patch to reduce the likelihoodbJ of this recurring, but this adds [load] to our boxes - and our systems areJ still crashing regularly," echoed a user at a large European bank who also requested anonymity.    O Similarly, "Sun has recommended various cooling and environmental requirements,uF all of which we meet," the user said. But there have been more than 50N memory-related server crashes in the bank's London offices during the past few months alone, he added."    8 	Have you checked for static?  50 crashes?!?  I bet they, 	are on the top ten list for mirrored cache!  M After a high-level meeting with bank representatives last week, Sun requestedkM further environmental surveys, the user said. "They are giving strict airflow O and temperature requirements that exceed those quoted in their product guides,"  the manager added."r    D 	Man oh man... we certainly recognize those fingerprints, huh folks?  ? 	But I thought Andrew that the cache scrubbing software reduceda? 	the incidence of crashes to barely discernable levels!  That's19 	how you spun it last time Andrew.  Come spin this for usv
 	Andrew!!!   				Robj   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:47:41 +0000 (   )D3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>m/ Subject: Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!tJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10012211646140.14902-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  . On 21 Dec 2000 young_r@eisner.decus.org wrote:  A > 	But I thought Andrew that the cache scrubbing software reduced(A > 	the incidence of crashes to barely discernable levels!  That'sr; > 	how you spun it last time Andrew.  Come spin this for us  > 	Andrew!!!  G Barely discernable from what?  A fully working system, I suppose... so,yF what if that is barely discernable? (honestly I don't have that low an- opinion of suns, but it's an amusing thought)H   Regards,   Chris:  O ===============================================================================a@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmero Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andeH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 cO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:23:32 +0000r0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>/ Subject: Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work! * Message-ID: <3A423C94.D36CCA05@uk.sun.com>  > Nice to see that you are still posting FUD, your track record < would suggest that this isn't a wise course of action as it < would for your posting any predictions on any Alpha/OpenVMS 	 futures. x  = Released any new Marvel predictions recently. I particularly o< liked the unconcious irony of your sounding off about people= predicting the performance of Itanium based systems, a mastere> stroke in denial on your part. Do I need to remind you of all > the performance estimates you have made for Alpha's which have, not been acheived. 200,000+ TPM ring a bell.    But back to the subject in hand.  9 Don't you have anything more than unsubstantiated rumour.e  ? You were the person after all who suggested that the Australian-: HPC system had failed its acceptance tests because it was 9 unreliable and you even suggested that they were waiting a: for mirrored ecache. Another speculation on your part that proves to have been incorrect. h  > Incedentally the cache scrubber patch has on the systems that 9 I have been responsible for, had no measurable effect on t= performance. Of course this may not be the case for all apps  > but 300+ Sun's running a variety of apps all with the scrubber< patch in place and no performance problems tends to suggest ; that your rumour might end up being as accurate as all the d previous rumours.s     Rob Young wrote: > C >         Hey guys... does this look like an Enterprise Architect's7$ >         recommendations or what??? > N > http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO55351_NLTpm%2C00.html > O > "Sun supplied an external cache-refresh kernel patch to reduce the likelihood L > of this recurring, but this adds [load] to our boxes - and our systems areL > still crashing regularly," echoed a user at a large European bank who also > requested anonymity. > Q > Similarly, "Sun has recommended various cooling and environmental requirements,lH > all of which we meet," the user said. But there have been more than 50P > memory-related server crashes in the bank's London offices during the past few > months alone, he added." > A >         Have you checked for static?  50 crashes?!?  I bet theyt5 >         are on the top ten list for mirrored cache!s > O > After a high-level meeting with bank representatives last week, Sun requested O > further environmental surveys, the user said. "They are giving strict airflow-Q > and temperature requirements that exceed those quoted in their product guides,"h > the manager added."o > M >         Man oh man... we certainly recognize those fingerprints, huh folks?E > H >         But I thought Andrew that the cache scrubbing software reducedH >         the incidence of crashes to barely discernable levels!  That'sB >         how you spun it last time Andrew.  Come spin this for us >         Andrew!!!  > % >                                 Rob    -- c Andrew Harrisona Enterprise IT Architectr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:56:38 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk/ Subject: Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work! / Message-ID: <002569BC.00629506.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    N Yet again you ignore the point of the posting to make personal attacks on Rob, and bring up the past.  M So come on, what is the answer for these people mentioned below who are stilln having problems?  < A hermetically sealed room with radiation shielding perhaps?  K Or perhaps you could answer why we are moving off Sun onto Tru64 and HPUX -hL except for the one system into which we are locked because of an applicationP which only runs on Solaris - something which you are quite happy to state is the% only reason why people stay with VMS.s   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesd        D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 21/12/2000 05:23:32 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)NM From:      andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>, 21 December 2000, 5:23l            p.m.i  & Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!        = Nice to see that you are still posting FUD, your track record ; would suggest that this isn't a wise course of action as itC; would for your posting any predictions on any Alpha/OpenVMS  futures.  < Released any new Marvel predictions recently. I particularly< liked the unconcious irony of your sounding off about people= predicting the performance of Itanium based systems, a masterc= stroke in denial on your part. Do I need to remind you of all > the performance estimates you have made for Alpha's which have, not been acheived. 200,000+ TPM ring a bell.    But back to the subject in hand.  9 Don't you have anything more than unsubstantiated rumour.m  ? You were the person after all who suggested that the Australiani9 HPC system had failed its acceptance tests because it was 8 unreliable and you even suggested that they were waiting: for mirrored ecache. Another speculation on your part that proves to have been incorrect.  = Incedentally the cache scrubber patch has on the systems that08 I have been responsible for, had no measurable effect on< performance. Of course this may not be the case for all apps> but 300+ Sun's running a variety of apps all with the scrubber; patch in place and no performance problems tends to suggest : that your rumour might end up being as accurate as all the previous rumours.n     Rob Young wrote: > C >         Hey guys... does this look like an Enterprise Architect's-$ >         recommendations or what??? >:N > http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO55351_NLTpm%2C00.html >eO > "Sun supplied an external cache-refresh kernel patch to reduce the likelihood1L > of this recurring, but this adds [load] to our boxes - and our systems areL > still crashing regularly," echoed a user at a large European bank who also > requested anonymity. >oC > Similarly, "Sun has recommended various cooling and environmentalt
 requirements,aH > all of which we meet," the user said. But there have been more than 50P > memory-related server crashes in the bank's London offices during the past few > months alone, he added." > A >         Have you checked for static?  50 crashes?!?  I bet theyv5 >         are on the top ten list for mirrored cache!- > O > After a high-level meeting with bank representatives last week, Sun requestedcO > further environmental surveys, the user said. "They are giving strict airflow2H > and temperature requirements that exceed those quoted in their product guides," > the manager added."d >sM >         Man oh man... we certainly recognize those fingerprints, huh folks?  >HH >         But I thought Andrew that the cache scrubbing software reducedH >         the incidence of crashes to barely discernable levels!  That'sB >         how you spun it last time Andrew.  Come spin this for us >         Andrew!!!l > % >                                 Robn   -- Andrew Harrisont Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 13:04:59 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)/ Subject: Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!E+ Message-ID: <lFuKUf82KoY6@eisner.decus.org>   ] In article <3A423C94.D36CCA05@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:h   > @ > Incedentally the cache scrubber patch has on the systems that ; > I have been responsible for, had no measurable effect on -? > performance. Of course this may not be the case for all apps s@ > but 300+ Sun's running a variety of apps all with the scrubber> > patch in place and no performance problems tends to suggest = > that your rumour might end up being as accurate as all the l > previous rumours.  >    	My rumor?  Look again:   L http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO55351_NLTpm%2C00.html    M "Sun supplied an external cache-refresh kernel patch to reduce the likelihood J of this recurring, but this adds [load] to our boxes - and our systems areJ still crashing regularly," echoed a user at a large European bank who also requested anonymity.  ? 	Now suppose you can label this a rumor as he/she has requestedlD 	anonymity.  But jobs are at risk.  What we do know is that Verisign= 	got very tired of system crashes.  We don't know the name ofA> 	this large European bank with London branch(es) but hopefullyD 	somday we put a name to it.  You hope so too, right?  Cause if that4 	happens it is no longer a FUD ladened rumor, right?   	How did that meeting go:   N "After a high-level meeting with bank representatives last week, Sun requestedM further environmental surveys, the user said. "They are giving strict airflow-O and temperature requirements that exceed those quoted in their product guides,"t the manager added."j  < 	Did they come away convinced that their datacenter did feel9 	a touch warm in spots?  Or did they cop an attitude like & 	the folks at that Midwestern Utility:  O "The decision was made following the long history of problems, pseudo-fixes ando% evasions by the Sun representatives,"V   	Spin.  spin . . . spin.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:20:55 -0800.! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com / Subject: Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!oD Message-ID: <OFE5B210A7.1B6F4C96-ON882569BC.0064B466@foundation.com>  I I must say I had a high opinion of Sun until Andrew joined this group. He H must have done an incredible amount of damage to Sun's reputation in the- VMS community worldwide through his postings.0   Shane           G Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> on 12/21/2000 08:47:41 AMr   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma cc:n  0 Subject:  Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!    . On 21 Dec 2000 young_r@eisner.decus.org wrote:  C >    But I thought Andrew that the cache scrubbing software reduced.C >    the incidence of crashes to barely discernable levels!  That's0= >    how you spun it last time Andrew.  Come spin this for uss >    Andrew!!!  G Barely discernable from what?  A fully working system, I suppose... so,pF what if that is barely discernable? (honestly I don't have that low an- opinion of suns, but it's an amusing thought)s   Regards,   Chris$  O ===============================================================================c  H "My two cents"           (http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)H Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)              Prgramer^W Programmer Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and_H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes: and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:33:00 GMT  From: amani7848@my-deja.coml, Subject: Error After Adding New Network Card) Message-ID: <91tbbs$bn2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   1 We're running VMS V6.2 on an AlphaServer 2100. WeF- just added a DE500 to the system along with a 0 number of ECOs.  The system reports that the new/ device EWB-0 is active via LANCP, but if we try * and add the device to DECnet (phase IV) we+ receive the following when we try and start  DECnet.a  1 %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created processn is 29600171P. %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of MOM$SYSTEM has been superseded # %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of ' MOM$SYSTEM_NOSOFTID has been supersededi# %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of % MOM$SYSTEM_SOFTID has been superseded1. %NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format , Line Line = EWB-0' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name:. %NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format , Circuite Circuit = EWB-0 ' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device nameo) %NCP-I-NOINFO, No information in database 1 %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created processg is 29600173      Sent via Deja.coms http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 19:09:04 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: Re: Error After Adding New Network Card* Message-ID: <3a424740$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  G In article <91tbbs$bn2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, amani7848@my-deja.com writes: 2 >We're running VMS V6.2 on an AlphaServer 2100. We. >just added a DE500 to the system along with a1 >number of ECOs.  The system reports that the new 0 >device EWB-0 is active via LANCP, but if we try+ >and add the device to DECnet (phase IV) weZ, >receive the following when we try and start >DECnet. > 2 >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process >is 29600171/ >%DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of MOM$SYSTEM  >has been superseded$ >%DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of( >MOM$SYSTEM_NOSOFTID has been superseded$ >%DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of& >MOM$SYSTEM_SOFTID has been superseded/ >%NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format ,l >Linee
 >Line = EWB-0c( >%SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name/ >%NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format ,u >Circuit >Circuit = EWB-0( >%SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name* >%NCP-I-NOINFO, No information in database2 >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process >is 29600173  C IIRC, in DECnet Phase 4, the device notation for the EWB0 is EWA-1.  Try again and give feedbackg   -- o< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888l< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:14:59 +0100 (CET)k: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>* Subject: Re: Flackey fibre channel supportJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012211007580.16057-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ( On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Dave Brennan wrote:  D +I am interested in other peoples experience with using SAN networks
 +with VMS.    Have seen on some systems.0  A +We have been doing some testing and seen nodes crash in our testh  +cluster, when doing SAN access.  $  Haven't seen when patches applies !  E +We have also seen a shadow set PARTITION when the fibre link between G +two machines is severed. That is, near side says this shadow set is oks +but far side, is down.a    Haven't seen.C  But have seen one suspected behaviour - if can re-check (hard, thes8 system is production, you know) then will also ask here.A  But the bahaviours depends of link between disk and computer -:)i: don't know what *you* mean 'a link between two *machines*.   [...]i7 +Is enybody else getting this SAN stuff to work on VMS?   D  Over what have seen with my eyes - was mentiones some time here -:)   +Davef    Regards - Gotfryd   -- jE =====================================================================0F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEc. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:22:44 -0300s) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre- Subject: Happy Holidays - From Rich MarcelllowL Message-ID: <OFB17542D1.24A7E72A-ON032569BC.00496CF4@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Clickb  6 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/happyholidays/index.html   And from me too ! :-)s FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:23:48 GMTu= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)=1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo=0 Message-ID: <009F4EB8.2FEF6B79@SendSpamHere.ORG>  x In article <OFB17542D1.24A7E72A-ON032569BC.00496CF4@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: >Click >-7 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/happyholidays/index.htmli >q >And from me too ! :-) >FCe >n  I ... and a greeting .EXE message from Rich too.  Can we take him or Compaq I seriously when the .EXE is a monopoly$chlock image and not one which will-J run on VMS?  When they do things like this, it is so difficult to keep theH faith.  What does this say to me?  It says, we want/expect you to foregoK VMS and deposit your money into the hands of the wealthiest son of a bitch   to have ever lived.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.i   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 18:56:19 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllof( Message-ID: <3a424443@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <OFB17542D1.24A7E72A-ON032569BC.00496CF4@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: >Click >e7 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/happyholidays/index.html   D No, thanks. It is no funny text, it is an .EXE (and not an VMS one).+ And so I won't find out what it contains...    >And from me too ! :-)   Add me !   -- h< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:15:23 +0100 ' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>o( Subject: Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE* Message-ID: <3A423AAB.4584B44B@iaf.fhg.de>  , PWS500au, OpenVMS 7.2-1, DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE  A I installed XPDF 0.92 ( http://decwarch.free.fr/pspdf.html#XPDF )e< Next I wanted to add an icon to my desktop for running XPDF.F "Create Action" in the Application Manager window has the option "Find? Set..." this shows the icon folders: CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS],m) CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] andTH CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] but for all directories no icons are shown. (???) t  1 The directory CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS] is empty.o  B The directory CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has files likeC NETSCAPE.L_BM;1, NETSCAPE.L_PM;1, NETSCAPE.M_BM;1, NETSCAPE.M_PM;1,.  NETSCAPE.T_BM;1, NETSCAPE.T_PM;1A On my desktop I've an icon for netscape with the netscape bitmap.i  E The directory CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has 1517 files.l   So why is no bitmap icon shown?o  A I was successful in creating the icon for XPDF but it has now the  standard bitmap "running man". ?     Regards, -- b  ; ***********************************************************s; *                                                         *l; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *e; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *r; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *e; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *c; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *d; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *e; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  * ; *                                                         *i; ***********************************************************h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:22:53 GMTj= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)6, Subject: Re: Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE0 Message-ID: <009F4ED9.964E4253@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <3A423AAB.4584B44B@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:- >PWS500au, OpenVMS 7.2-1, DECwindow 1.2-5/CDEn >hB >I installed XPDF 0.92 ( http://decwarch.free.fr/pspdf.html#XPDF )= >Next I wanted to add an icon to my desktop for running XPDF.eG >"Create Action" in the Application Manager window has the option "Findn@ >Set..." this shows the icon folders: CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS],* >CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] andI >CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] but for all directories no iconsy >are shown. (???)  > 2 >The directory CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS] is empty. >oC >The directory CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has files like/D >NETSCAPE.L_BM;1, NETSCAPE.L_PM;1, NETSCAPE.M_BM;1, NETSCAPE.M_PM;1,! >NETSCAPE.T_BM;1, NETSCAPE.T_PM;1 B >On my desktop I've an icon for netscape with the netscape bitmap. >lF >The directory CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has 1517 files. >t  >So why is no bitmap icon shown? > B >I was successful in creating the icon for XPDF but it has now the  >standard bitmap "running man".   G So, run the {Icon Editor} and create your own icon file.  Then run the eF {Create Action} and use this new icon --- or simply click on the [EditH Icon} button in {Create Action} and edit as you go.  I've added numerous custom Icons this way.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:44:50 +0100o+ From: Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com>g Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.6' Message-ID: <3A424192.BBDB73F6@dnv.com>s   Colin Blake wrote:  A > Java does NOT have to be installed and started for M0.6 to run.e >hK > There is currently NO java support in Mozilla for OpenVMS because OpenVMSn  > doesn't yet have JVM V1.3.0_1.  5 Colin Blake is right, it has nothing to do with Java.hB The Mozilla program hanging is related to file protection and user privileges.l; If the user has SYSPRV privilege, Mozilla M0.6 starts fine. M The first time mozilla M0.6 is started after installation, it writes a numberu of files and directoriesI into    [MOZILLA.CHROME] and subdirectories. If not allowed, it only sits  quieteE without saying anything. Also later, it require write access to theseo directories, but does  not seem to write anything.m  
 With regards,9          Arne Bergseth   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:58:29 +0100 (CET)t: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>F Subject: Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012210950100.16057-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>    Hello !  ' On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Scott Stark wrote:n  K +Understood.   Here's what I'd like to know...can or does VMS (on it's own)eI +ever define the null device to something other than NLA0 (w/o deliberates +user intervention)?    No.   Here are (at least) two reason:A - NL is one of the limited number of driver where are 'preloaded' H  while VMS starts - means, before the STARTUP starts and does CONFIGURE;C  here only NL, MB, OP and system disk required (means: if you b.ex.nA  have DK SCSI disk then also the PK driver must be loaded) and if2D  the machine is in cluster the 'possible cluster connection' driversF  also are 'preloaded'; rest (including the new MP, terminal lines etc)?  is loaded directly or by AUTOCONFIGURE; updates and correction   welcome -:)= - NLA0: is a 'known name' and some software may depend of it, =  even a procedure in startup process - then you cannot "miss"    NLA0: and have supported system  E +"Julliard, Alan T." <JulliardAT@ci.anchorage.ak.us> wrote in message   ?  Minor request: please answer *after* the citet text to make itc more readable !-    Regards - Gotfryd   -- 1E =====================================================================uF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEn. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:53:49 -0800,- From: "Scott Stark" <hayden.s.stark@saic.com>OF Subject: Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names?% Message-ID: <3a41c551@cpns1.saic.com>b  C Helps to determine coding logic using NLA0 instead of NL, NL: NLPx:hB "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3A416C3F.E9B41151@earthlink.net...n > Scott Stark wrote: > >cI > > Understood.   Here's what I'd like to know...can or does VMS (on it'sn own)L > > ever define the null device to something other than NLA0 (w/o deliberate > > user intervention)?r >x > I believe the answer is "no".r >iE > Are you experiencing a perplexing problem? What is the point of thee > question?  >N > -- > David J. Dachterai > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ >B< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n >kH > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >nB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >oH > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.b   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:23:01 GMTy2 From: seibel_r@localhost.localdomain (Rich Seibel)* Subject: Re: Problem with linking C++ code; Message-ID: <slrn944ik1.tdn.seibel_r@localhost.localdomain>   K Having received no response, I must assume that this is not the right groupsL for this question, I apologize.  Could one of you direct me to the newsgroupK where the C++ on VMS gurus hang out?  Or is C++ so little used on VMS that i there is no such group?    TIAr Rich  O On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:04:40 GMT, Rich Seibel <seibel_r@localhost.localdomain>   wrote: >,I >I am trying to port a rather large open source middleware package calledR: >ACE/TAO to VMS and I am having a problem with the linker. >.F >I have built both a static library and a dynamic library.  When I tryE >to link an application with the dynamic library, none of the symbolsnD >get resolved.  When I try to link with the static library, all the D >symbols get resolved except those from one object module.  That oneF >object module, if I include it specifically in the link, will satisfyD >all the missing symbols.  I know that the module is in the library C >because LIBRARY tells me so and will show me the symbols.  Is thist! >a known problem with the linker?i >s [snip]   -- .D --------------------------------------------------------------------D Rich Seibel, Software Engineer                 (314)579-0066 ext 220D Object Computing, Inc.                           seibel_r@ociweb.comD Need ACE training?                      See http://www.theaceorb.comD --------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 19:47:05 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: Problem with linking C++ code* Message-ID: <3a425029$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  p In article <slrn944ik1.tdn.seibel_r@localhost.localdomain>, seibel_r@localhost.localdomain (Rich Seibel) writes:L >Having received no response, I must assume that this is not the right group  >for this question, I apologize.  0 No. It is the right group. Please, be patient...  M >                                 Could one of you direct me to the newsgroup-L >where the C++ on VMS gurus hang out?  Or is C++ so little used on VMS that  >there is no such group?   Indeed.1    * My 0.02 is try $ CXXLINK instead of $ LINK   -- r< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-8880< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 10:01:02 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) < Subject: Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???+ Message-ID: <EyUmJ7i2Dt2Y@eisner.decus.org>Y  W In article <3a2cba9e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:eM > There is a known TELNET server problem (AFAIK with type negotiation leadingnG > to and endless loop consuming most CPU time) with TCPIP V5.0 (V5.0-9)=B > and TCPIP V5.0A (V5.0-10). It is fixed in TCPIP V5.0A (V5.0-11).6 > Note the difference between TCPIP V5.0A and V5.0A !!  L I am not seeing any abnormal CPU loops. Can I install 5.0A without 7.2-1? Or  do I have to do the whole thing?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:30:20 +0000d- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>a< Subject: Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???) Message-ID: <3A42301C.859DA8D8@bbc.co.uk>n   Bob Kaplow wrote:e  Y > In article <3a2cba9e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:4O > > There is a known TELNET server problem (AFAIK with type negotiation leading I > > to and endless loop consuming most CPU time) with TCPIP V5.0 (V5.0-9)rD > > and TCPIP V5.0A (V5.0-10). It is fixed in TCPIP V5.0A (V5.0-11).8 > > Note the difference between TCPIP V5.0A and V5.0A !! >oN > I am not seeing any abnormal CPU loops. Can I install 5.0A without 7.2-1? Or" > do I have to do the whole thing?   Bob,   does this answer your question?h   $ tcpip sh vers   A   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 1u0   on a AlphaStation 255/233 running OpenVMS V7.1   $S  @ I have it all on 7.1. You need to install a patch for PCSI first, (DEC-AXPVMS-VMS62TO71U2_PCSI-V0200--4.PCSI).   HTHV   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of0 MedAS or the BBC.C   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 19:05:26 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: processes hung, TNA in OFFLINE MOUNTED state???* Message-ID: <3a424666$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  _ In article <EyUmJ7i2Dt2Y@eisner.decus.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes:IX >In article <3a2cba9e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:N >> There is a known TELNET server problem (AFAIK with type negotiation leadingH >> to and endless loop consuming most CPU time) with TCPIP V5.0 (V5.0-9)C >> and TCPIP V5.0A (V5.0-10). It is fixed in TCPIP V5.0A (V5.0-11).c7 >> Note the difference between TCPIP V5.0A and V5.0A !!e >eM >I am not seeing any abnormal CPU loops. Can I install 5.0A without 7.2-1? Or0! >do I have to do the whole thing?g  @ No. It also runs on OpenVMS V7.1 (but AFAIK not on V7.0 or V6.2)  A UCX V4.2 runs on OpenVMS VAX V7.2, too. But it is not supported !oD UCX V4.2 does NOT run on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2[-1] (at least here on myA test systems) and is of course not supported (also because of the  missing ODS-5 support).   C And so we did upgrade UCX V4.2 (ECO 4) to TCPIP V5.0A (aka V5.0-11)yG first and later from OpenVMS V7.1 (will almost all ECOs !) to V7.2[-1].r   And don't forget the ECO 1   -- m< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888o< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:49:12 +0000R9 From: "Miller, Daniel" <Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk> M Subject: RE: SMTP Server under OpenVMS AXP V6.2/UCX V4 Character Set Probl	em=A Message-ID: <5E8A0E4920B0D411B1E900508BFCB240299458@NF-HOUSE-NT1>    hi,-  ? "set config" commands will only take effect if you restart ucx.r SeeaL http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6526/6526profile.html#mgmt_dbases _sec    
 Daniel Miller4 nightfreight plc   -----Original Message-----7 From: Helge Krambeck [mailto:helgekrambeck@t-online.de]h) Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:08 PMs To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-H Subject: SMTP Server under OpenVMS AXP V6.2/UCX V4 Character Set Problem     Hi,B  * I want to configure an Alpha Station/ Open  VMS AXP V6.2 SMTP Server running  under UCX Version 4 to use 8 Bit% encoding for Emails sent through this5% server. The Problem is, that the SMTP.' Server running on this machine convertsr! all Emails to 7-Bit US-ASCII. Howh# can I activate 8-Bit transmission ?i& Somebody suggested using this command:! $ UCX SET CONF SMTP/OPT=EIGHT_BITg but it doesnt work.c  * Helge Krambeck (helgekrambeck@t-online.de)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:07:31 +0100S2 From: "Helge Krambeck" <helgekrambeck@t-online.de>H Subject: SMTP Server under OpenVMS AXP V6.2/UCX V4 Character Set Problem/ Message-ID: <91td9l$ad9$07$1@news.t-online.com>    Hi,f  * I want to configure an Alpha Station/ Open  VMS AXP V6.2 SMTP Server running  under UCX Version 4 to use 8 Bit% encoding for Emails sent through this % server. The Problem is, that the SMTPa' Server running on this machine convertsh! all Emails to 7-Bit US-ASCII. How-# can I activate 8-Bit transmission ?0& Somebody suggested using this command:! $ UCX SET CONF SMTP/OPT=EIGHT_BIT  but it doesnt work.   * Helge Krambeck (helgekrambeck@t-online.de)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:33:19 +0100f> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>L Subject: Re: SMTP Server under OpenVMS AXP V6.2/UCX V4 Character Set Problem. Message-ID: <91tek9$hd7$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  ! Did you restart smtp after that ?.   Jean-Franois Marchal: X9000 - LYON (FR)-    = "Helge Krambeck" <helgekrambeck@t-online.de> wrote in messagee) news:91td9l$ad9$07$1@news.t-online.com...4 > Hi,1 >8, > I want to configure an Alpha Station/ Open" > VMS AXP V6.2 SMTP Server running" > under UCX Version 4 to use 8 Bit' > encoding for Emails sent through this-' > server. The Problem is, that the SMTP:) > Server running on this machine convertsa# > all Emails to 7-Bit US-ASCII. Howi% > can I activate 8-Bit transmission ?5( > Somebody suggested using this command:# > $ UCX SET CONF SMTP/OPT=EIGHT_BITe > but it doesnt work.c >c, > Helge Krambeck (helgekrambeck@t-online.de) >d >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 13:15:37 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r Subject: Re: Sun ClusterH Message-ID: <y4wvcuas2e.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  2 andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:   > > Leslie Lamport > > John Henning  > > Just as a test I tried your two names out on a room full of < > people who included a number of OpenVMS administrators and< > developers, the customers chief architect and a number of 2 > other developer/system admin and security bods.  > 8 > Sad to say none of them had a clue who Leslie Lamport ; > or John Henning are and on that basis could not be relieda" > on to turn up to listen to them.  B I would have thought that correctness of (distributed) systems andG performance of computers were of high importance to such people. Seeing*D that none of them know even the name of _the_ person in the world inD the first field, and a very well-known person in the second field, IE wonder whether your customer shouldn't find people more suited to the I job than the incumebents, eh? But incompetence and ignorance _is_ rampantb9 in the IT field, particularly among "chief architect[s]".   K Incidentally, ever heard of LaTeX? Ever wondered where the "La" comes from?   % Sheesh, what is this world coming to.    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:15:41 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster* Message-ID: <3A421E9D.3D3E530D@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:  > , > In article <3A409DAF.9DF314FD@uk.sun.com>,5 >   andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:e > > Jordan Henderson wrote:M > > >m > > > [snip] > > >.F > > > Anyone else find it interesting that we are supposed to believe,D > > > all at the same time, that Andrew is not in marketing, none ofG > > > his customers use OpenVMS, as he's reported here in the past, andiF > > > yet he's able to get a room full of people together, including a6 > > > number of OpenVMS administrators and developers? > > >a > >t? > > The customer I work for has purchased another company whichi? > > happens to have a large OpenVMS infrastructure. The OpenVMSt< > > folks all come from the company that has been bought and* > > assimilated if that is the right term. > >_? > > But really Jordan, nearly every large company has a mixturea@ > > of systems and the company I am working for is no different. > >.C > > Their standard server suppliers are IBM and Sun, S390's and AIXlD > > from IBM and Solaris based systems from Sun. They of course have@ > > Niles, HP's, OpenVMS and Tru64 based systems as well becauseD > > they either needed an app that only runs on one of these systemsG > > or because in the case of OpenVMS they have a legacy infrastructurep8 > > that they aquired when they aquired another company. > >DC > > Nor would it be suprising if indeviduals have both say UNIX and @ > > OpenVMS skills, its certainly the case with the company I am@ > > working for since they are migrating from OpenVMS to AIX and > > Solaris. > >C > C > I was only basing this on your own statements some time back that C > you never see OpenVMS in your markets anymore.  Seems like eitherV, > you were lying then, or you are lying now. >   > You don't make a distinction at all between a platform that a < company has which is simply being maintained and turned off 5 and a platform which a company is actively adding to.d  : OpenVMS in the customers I deal with falls into the first ; category, it exists it is being maintained where necessary t7 and turned off where practical. To my knowledge in the  : customer I deal with there are no new OpenVMS deployments 8 going on, systems are being maintained but not added to.  8 Again the fact that you can't grasp this is a testiment 5 to your inabilities which you might be better off notv sharing with the world.   9 Your tendancy to accuse people of lying because they havem: a contrary view to you or because you could not or did not' want to comprehend is just one example.Z  B > When it befits your campaign against OpenVMS to say that OpenVMS@ > has been completely replaced among your customers, that's what@ > you say.  When you prefer to have a few OpenVMS experts around. > to ask questions, then they suddenly appear. >   < No I have not said that. I don't encounter people deploying = new OpenVMS systems, I do encounter people who have existing  > OpenVMS based systems. I suspect that you are the only person 1 on this group who wants to make an issue of this.0  B > I would say something about your credibility, but you've already? > established quite clearly that you have none whatsoever.  I'm.> > still waiting for your examples of how it was I who used theB > term FUD inconsistently.  Funny how you told another poster that) > you never dodged questions from Jordan.L >   > Really and you think that your ridiculous repetition of Rob's = FUD (long after he got caught out) and your wildly inacurate R< Java postings established your credibility. Get more mirror = time, I have suggested it before and your current posts only l+ serve to illustrate that you still need it.e   Regardsc Andrew Harrison' Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:29:51 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster* Message-ID: <3A422FFF.568551D0@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > _ > In article <3A409E5D.D11D39A3@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:T > > "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:> > >>J > >> Can you re-check your OZ sources on the reason for failing acceptanceP > >> testing?  I heard a rumor it stayed up long enough but just ran too slowly. > >>( > >>                                 RDP > >> > >AJ > > The rumour that it failed it acceptance tests because of unreliability- > > was speculation (FUD) on Rob Youngs part.z > >  > C >         No... it failed acceptance testing.  Maybe there is a way E >         to pretty that up but from their own website it showed they,G >         were re-issuing RFPs and that Sun was allowed to participate.nE >         Maybe we can get caught up in semantics or meaning but theypF >         had a 4 node UE10000 there that never went production.  Tell >         us what that means.e >   H You alluded to the ecache issues and even went on to suggest that their C the systems had not passed their acceptance tests because they werea  waiting for mirrored cache.  B Of course none of these allegations had any factual basis to them ? and were only speculation on your part. A sadly familiar story.    Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:07:43 -0800 , From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net> Subject: Re: Sun Cluster8 Message-ID: <3a42386c$0$35018$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>   andrew harrison wrote:? > You don't make a distinction at all between a platform that ae= > company has which is simply being maintained and turned offo7 > and a platform which a company is actively adding to.  > ; > OpenVMS in the customers I deal with falls into the firstr< > category, it exists it is being maintained where necessary8 > and turned off where practical. To my knowledge in the; > customer I deal with there are no new OpenVMS deploymentsw: > going on, systems are being maintained but not added to.  O Check with Lloyd's Bank of London, The Swiss Stock Exchange, Intel (yes, I saidoO Intel).  Also check with customers of Wall Street Systems (these people measureoP down time in $1000's/second !!!) .  These may not be your customers but they are growing OpenVMS customers.    
 Jack Patteeuwi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:13:08 +0000a$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk Subject: Re: Sun Cluster/ Message-ID: <002569BC.005E98EB.00@quegw01.btyp>M  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    P Maybe, but then perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to WHY they failed the acceptance testing?b  N Of course you are happy to avoid the real issue and answer the question,  then* turn it into a personal attack on someone.   A sadly familiar story.    Steve Spires VMS System ManagerP BT/Yellow Pages (where they have only just received a missive from Sun regarding these ecache issues...)L        D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 21/12/2000 04:29:51 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)-M From:      andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>, 21 December 2000, 4:297            p.m.b   Re: Sun Cluster.         Rob Young wrote: >i< > In article <3A409E5D.D11D39A3@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > > "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:- > >>J > >> Can you re-check your OZ sources on the reason for failing acceptanceP > >> testing?  I heard a rumor it stayed up long enough but just ran too slowly. > >>( > >>                                 RDP > >> > >aJ > > The rumour that it failed it acceptance tests because of unreliability- > > was speculation (FUD) on Rob Youngs part.v > >e >vC >         No... it failed acceptance testing.  Maybe there is a waytE >         to pretty that up but from their own website it showed theyiG >         were re-issuing RFPs and that Sun was allowed to participate. E >         Maybe we can get caught up in semantics or meaning but theytF >         had a 4 node UE10000 there that never went production.  Tell >         us what that means.I >   G You alluded to the ecache issues and even went on to suggest that theirrC the systems had not passed their acceptance tests because they were   waiting for mirrored cache.  A Of course none of these allegations had any factual basis to themi? and were only speculation on your part. A sadly familiar story.1   Regards0 Andrew Harrisonm Enterprise IT Architectr   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 08:52:58 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)7 Subject: Sun's Ecache woes drone on and on and on . . .t+ Message-ID: <a4msanxX4d1H@eisner.decus.org>s  < 	Check this out.  The notorious Sun Ecache problem is having; 	noticeable effects yet today.  Remember the Forbes articlet= 	and how Verisign moved their Sun servers out of the critical 8 	path for IBM servers?  ComputerWorld reports same thing 	at a Midwest Utility:  L http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO55351_NLTpm%2C00.html  N "In fact, a major utility in the western U.S. is asking Sun to take back threeN of its midrange servers, collectively valued at more than $500,000, because of3 Sun's continuing inability to resolve the problem. N  O "The decision was made following the long history of problems, pseudo-fixes and N evasions by the Sun representatives," said a user at the utility who requested anonymity.    B The utility company will continue to use Sun servers for Web-basedO applications, but it has moved the database application that was running on ther4 Sun servers to a Compaq Computer Corp. Unix server."    ; 	But vendor lock-in is a beautiful thing, look at this poor  	sap's client:    H "Norman Morrison, an independent project consultant working at a serviceO provider that hosts Web sites for companies that sell sporting goods, said he's J another unhappy customer. "To date, we have gotten no satisfaction on thisO problem," despite continuing server crashes and attempts to fix them, he said. l  O Less than a month ago, the service provider bought several new Sun servers, oneVE of which has already begun crashing because of memory-related issues,mJ Morrison's said. Because the service provider uses Sun servers for all itsL production and development applications, Sun is pretty much locked in as its vendor, he added."  A 	Hey, no one ever got fired for going with the industry leader.  - 	Zing!!!   				Rob1   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:24:16 +0100 (CET):: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>2 Subject: Re: System halts when console is shut offJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012211016450.16057-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  + On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Steven Shamlian wrote:>  C +This post is in regards to a VAXstation 4000 VLC.  The machine ranNM +wonderfully before my graphics monitor randomly died and I had to hit s3 andcJ +use a terminal as the system console.  To save power on the machine (it'sL +only a fileserver, so I don't care all that much about what messages scrollC +across its screen), I turn the console on only when necessary (forCL +[re]booting it and the like).  However, with the terminal-as-console setup,< +the VAX halts itself whenever I shut the terminal off [...]  A  AFAIK some VAXes has only one intergrated 'multifuncion' switch:oC with the same switch you select the console *and* the 'allow break'y@ funcion. As Cass Witkowski says - but you may be limited (means:@ if you select serial console on the port you use the you forced  to get 'break enabled' !).;  Disclaimer: don't know the VLC modell, but have seen much O; 3100,3500,3900,4000 VAXes and remember differrent behavioure= for the selection... (3900 selector selects *only* the 'breakr< enable' finction, 3100 [if I am not wrong] select the serial: port, and on one port break is enabled (no way to disable)? but while 2. selected break is disabled (without way to enable)s- etc. Check all switches on your VAX panel -:)h    Regards - Gotfryd   -- RE =====================================================================RF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME1. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================a   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Dec 2000 15:04:04 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)p2 Subject: Re: System halts when console is shut off+ Message-ID: <91t654$bti$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   + In article <3A4197A9.916B213C@tmisnet.com>,V$  Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> writes:M |> Turning the terminal off is like sending a break to the console.  Which onf& |> consoles send it into console mode.- |> There is usually a switch to disable this.u  G I haven't actually tried it, but I'll bet it would work just as well ifh: you pulled the MMJ plug before turning the terminal off.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:39:49 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: System halts when console is shut off6 Message-ID: <91tf95$4r1$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  n In article <91rts7$e7s$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> writes:  0 :...However, with the terminal-as-console setup,: :the VAX halts itself whenever I shut the terminal off ...C  How do I tell the VAX that it's really OK to keep running when the0J :terminal shuts off?  Or is there a setting that needs modification on the
 :terminal?     FAQ.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:58:15 -0600/1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>d Subject: Re: Thank you8 Message-ID: <91t93p$bo4$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  I And a big THANKS to you Sue.  Here's hopin' for a better 2001 for us all.w   Dave...s  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> wrote in message0 news:91t941$3r0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > Dear Newsgroup,n >gJ > I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for being an OpenVMS  > advocate, customer and friend. >eH > This has been a great year for OpenVMS and we are planning for an even > better year in 2001. >iH > Thank you for your comments, feedback, passion and loyalty.  I do hear yourJ > comments and they do make a difference, maybe not as quick as both of us% > would like but you are being heard.- >- > Warm Regards,- >- > Sue Skonetski2 > Compaq OpenVMS Group >a >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:56:25 -0500S5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>n Subject: Thank you6 Message-ID: <91t941$3r0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Dear Newsgroup,e  H I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for being an OpenVMS advocate, customer and friend.  F This has been a great year for OpenVMS and we are planning for an even better year in 2001.  K Thank you for your comments, feedback, passion and loyalty.  I do hear yoursH comments and they do make a difference, maybe not as quick as both of us# would like but you are being heard.   
 Warm Regards,l  
 Sue Skonetski  Compaq OpenVMS Group   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:01:51 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Re: Vax on a chipL Message-ID: <OFA1E1B6F9.89A15C68-ON032569BC.00474749@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  < Let=B4s wait Samsug to develop something like this ..... :-)  H I still hopping Alpha machines by Samsung, what means, they will become=   cheaper in korean hands !s  H I believe a Microvax can be put inside one chip, one board, depends onl= ye the interest ofdF preserve old applications.  SRI, VMware are soft companies but if some "creative company"3 develop a universal  PCI hardware to bring other OS $ emulation....FASTER....their product should become a sucess..   Reg,   FC        = Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net> em 21/12/2000 05:39:59o             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   8        (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   Assunto: Re: Vax on a chip   =o         Christopher Smith wrote: > F > "Would a primarilly Alpha/VAX setup that happens to have a bit of pcE > hardware on a card be more reliable than a primarilly PC setup thatn3 > happens to have some Alpha/VAX  stuff on a card?"n >,  H You can make a case for both options, the problem is Compaq is too stup= id toH realize that there is a marketplace out there in the business world for=   this7 type of "two headed" beast and only Sun has a solution.e   Are you listening Q ?????     
 Jack Patteeuwa         =    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 12:33:23 -06003 From: rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal (Roger Ivie)r Subject: Re: Vax on a chip> Message-ID: <slrn944je2.135k.rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal>  < In article <G5w5H8.J9H@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy wrote:6 >Roger Ivie <rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal> writes:K >> Bear in mind that one flavor of the last round of VAX chips was (mostly) H >> pin-compatible with the 21064. An NV5, an APECS chipset, and a bit ofH >> imagination yields a VAX with PCI. Been there, done that, didn't have> >> enough funding or manpower to write my own SYSLOA module... > I >  Was that the VAX 7000 / DEC 7000 cabinet that could take either VAX orlG >AXP processors (but not a mix)? I heard that the only other change waslI >re-flashing the XMI controllers for the different pagelet/scatter-gathery >stuff.a  G That's my understanding. I've also heard rumors of VAX-based Flamingos,hJ but have never seen one. My experiment was done one an Alphastations 4/250F (IIRC), and there are sufficient disagreements between the VAX and theF APECS to make it interesting; the NV5 is only _mostly_ compatible withB the 21064. A system like the VAX 7000 or the Flamingo, intended to> use either processor, would be aware of the differences in theG design phase and accommodate them. This isn't the case for APECS, whichtG was (apparently) designed with only the 21064 in mind. I was, however, aE able to demonstrate the VAX could touch all important address spaces   and use PCI I/O. -- o
 Roger Ivie% TeraGlobal Communications Corporationt& 1770 North Research Park Way Suite 100 Logan, UT 84341m mailto:rivie@teraglobal.comc phoneto:(435)787-0555f faxto:(435)787-0516t    > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!a> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 12:56:06 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>h) Subject: Re: Virtual I/O Cache and OracleqH Message-ID: <y4zohqasyx.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  $ Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:  J > Yup. Oracle doesn't do RMS IO, and generally bypasses the VIOC. (It's a : > half-step above hitting the raw sectors on the drive...)  N I thought the VIOC was resposible for file-level I/O, i.e., virtual block QIOsG to the disk, and had nothing in particular to do with using RMS or not.s   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:28:04 GMTe1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>p) Subject: Re: Virtual I/O Cache and Oracleo2 Message-ID: <3A4214BA.73128CBC@clarityconnect.com>  F You are correct.  VIOC is only for nnnnnVBLK $QIO calls.  If the IO isG nnnnnPBLK or nnnnnLBLK then the IO will bypass the cache AND force VIOCmG to flush it's caches for the disk the IO is going to.  Some DB productse? only use the file as a container and do all of their IO as LBLKr? maintaining their own internal file structure.  If Oracle IO is-G nnnnnVBLK based and small enough and the $QIO doesn't specify to bypass.< the VIOC (IO$M_NOCACHE) then it will be handled by the VIOC.   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > & > Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes: > K > > Yup. Oracle doesn't do RMS IO, and generally bypasses the VIOC. (It's a < > > half-step above hitting the raw sectors on the drive...) > P > I thought the VIOC was resposible for file-level I/O, i.e., virtual block QIOsI > to the disk, and had nothing in particular to do with using RMS or not.  > 
 >         Jan    --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:03:58 -0500 1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>r) Subject: RE: Virtual I/O Cache and OraclehC Message-ID: <7DF45F22D904D31192EE00805F578DF2018BC636@NY_EXCHANGE1>0   Mark,a  = What does this mean for RMS?  Especially RMS Block I/O calls?    Happy holidays to you also.s  ' Mike Farrell (from the old DEC-20 days)    > -----Original Message-----6 > From:	Mark D. Jilson [SMTP:jilly@clarityconnect.com]+ > Sent:	Thursday, December 21, 2000 9:28 AMa > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como+ > Subject:	Re: Virtual I/O Cache and Oraclet > H > You are correct.  VIOC is only for nnnnnVBLK $QIO calls.  If the IO isI > nnnnnPBLK or nnnnnLBLK then the IO will bypass the cache AND force VIOC0I > to flush it's caches for the disk the IO is going to.  Some DB productsrA > only use the file as a container and do all of their IO as LBLKwA > maintaining their own internal file structure.  If Oracle IO islI > nnnnnVBLK based and small enough and the $QIO doesn't specify to bypassf> > the VIOC (IO$M_NOCACHE) then it will be handled by the VIOC. >  > Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > > ( > > Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes: > > K > > > Yup. Oracle doesn't do RMS IO, and generally bypasses the VIOC. (It'so > an> > > > half-step above hitting the raw sectors on the drive...) > > G > > I thought the VIOC was resposible for file-level I/O, i.e., virtualc > block QIOsK > > to the disk, and had nothing in particular to do with using RMS or not.  > >  > >         Jan  >  > --  F > Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY2 > 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan0 > 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so. > 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:13:28 GMTu1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>p) Subject: Re: Virtual I/O Cache and Oracler2 Message-ID: <3A422D6D.A8C55DEF@clarityconnect.com>   Hi Mike :*)   E Unfortunately I don't know what the RMS Block I/O calls look like foriH their $QIO call.  I suspect that they will be nnnnnVBLK and thus if they. are small enough they will run thru the cache.   "Farrell, Michael" wrote:s >  > Mark,v > ? > What does this mean for RMS?  Especially RMS Block I/O calls?u >  > Happy holidays to you also.r > ) > Mike Farrell (from the old DEC-20 days)h >  > > -----Original Message-----8 > > From: Mark D. Jilson [SMTP:jilly@clarityconnect.com]- > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 9:28 AM- > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr2 > > Subject:      Re: Virtual I/O Cache and Oracle > > J > > You are correct.  VIOC is only for nnnnnVBLK $QIO calls.  If the IO isK > > nnnnnPBLK or nnnnnLBLK then the IO will bypass the cache AND force VIOC:K > > to flush it's caches for the disk the IO is going to.  Some DB productseC > > only use the file as a container and do all of their IO as LBLKrC > > maintaining their own internal file structure.  If Oracle IO is K > > nnnnnVBLK based and small enough and the $QIO doesn't specify to bypassc@ > > the VIOC (IO$M_NOCACHE) then it will be handled by the VIOC. > >b > > Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > > > * > > > Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes: > > > M > > > > Yup. Oracle doesn't do RMS IO, and generally bypasses the VIOC. (It's  > > a @ > > > > half-step above hitting the raw sectors on the drive...) > > > I > > > I thought the VIOC was resposible for file-level I/O, i.e., virtuala > > block QIOsM > > > to the disk, and had nothing in particular to do with using RMS or not.  > > >l > > >         Jan  > >s > > --H > > Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NYL > >       - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanL > >       - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com                        - since 1975 or so5 > >       - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -r   -- iD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:52:44 -0000c+ From: "Tim Gray" <tim.gray@nospam_rl.ac.uk>e4 Subject: Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util+ Message-ID: <91sgge$en0@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>a  H Thanks for your replies, looks like I have some reading to do. From whatH you've all said, just using UDP packets of a certain format would be theD simplest way to go, and have a admin.exe with a menu to generate theC required UDP packets / requests. The prob with this method would beuF security, I could always secure the exe using file privs etc, but thatJ doesn't stop anyone generating the 'admin packets' by other methods shouldF they be sad enough to wish to do so. So methinks maybe using mailboxesJ between the admin.exe and the udpproxy.exe, with the udpproxy.exe checkingH the mailbox on a regular interval, say 15 - 30 secs. Need to look up howJ security is handled on writing / reading to a mailbox. Can you write it soH the app gets notified when something arrives in the mailbox? Rather thanJ polling the mailbox to look for something? If I was doing this on Win32, II might be looking at a different thread here to actually process the adminoK requests, leaving the main udpproxy to get on with proxying, but then againaJ I'm not expecting it to get massively busy... else I might also be lookingL at separate proxy threads maybe, maybe. Hmm. Out of curiosity, how do you do threads in C/VMS?o     Cheers again -   Tims   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:28:05 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 EFT2 Ql6 Message-ID: <91tej5$4r1$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  l In article <91qfs1$s78$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:G :Saw on the VMS web page today that EFT2 for VMS 7.3 has been released.,  F   I've created zip kits last week based on the check-out copies of theI   CD-ROM distribution media, and am working to get confirmation that the eH   EFT2/SDK2 CD-ROM media has superceded the EFT1/SDK1 media -- before I F   insert the announcement of availability into the newsgroups.  Once II   have confirmation that an order for the SDK media will get EFT2/SDK2...h  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:03:49 +0100 (MET)s& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>) Subject: Re: XP1000 - which Graphics Card 6 Message-ID: <200012210759.IAA04934@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   B. Z. Lederman wrotes:   >>>s; However, our (VMS) customers do expect systems that containi; video cards will run well: at least, that they won't crash,e@ that the video card won't interact with the other device driversC (moving the cursor won't corrupt data on a SCSI disk, for example), @ that the screen won't do anything really 'funny' like going into? reverse video when you drag a window, and so on.  This requiresd; a significant amount of development and testing, especiallye? testing.  Testing takes time, and VMS is tested very completely]> because it's what our customers want.  This is a problem when,; as you noted, cards don't have a very long production life.o <<<y  B If they tested the graphic cards so hard, why does the  (long timeC onliest supported card) Elsa Gloria Synergy have sometimes problems=C with OpenVMS? Sometimes we will see a green moire background during"@ LOGIN window is displayed and splitted magenta characters after = login, which should be black and readable. Where is a sheaper=G successor of the PowerStorm 4D20, which was the expensive (>4.000,-DM)?-   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:12:37 GMT:1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>  Subject: Re: Y20386 Message-ID: <FAl06.63$GH1.5250@nostril.pacific.net.au>  3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:t  * > In article <3A3EAF10.F877AE07@dnv.com>, 1 >   Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com> writes:o  
 ...snip...  K > :In year 2038 I will be 84 years old, so my most likly use of a computer I4 > :will be some kind of life support control system.  H >   I plan to supplement my retirement income removing Y2038 behaviours.   	VMS in 2038 ?  8-)-7 	I'd like to see that...err... I *HOPE* I'll see that !u  ? 	Do you mean, Hoff, with the above line that there will be someaB 	"behaviours" ( insects :-) left in the VMS code for the financial1 	benefit of some aging ex-OpenVMS engineers ? :-)    					Cheers,		CsabaT  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------tE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogcE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.nI    ----------------------------------------------------------------------h;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:I   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 07:49:27 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)r Subject: Re: Y2038+ Message-ID: <xldPvlD3H7CW@eisner.decus.org>   j In article <FAl06.63$GH1.5250@nostril.pacific.net.au>, CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> writes:5 > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:-  I >>   I plan to supplement my retirement income removing Y2038 behaviours.D >  > 	VMS in 2038 ?  8-)c9 > 	I'd like to see that...err... I *HOPE* I'll see that !$ > A > 	Do you mean, Hoff, with the above line that there will be someeD > 	"behaviours" ( insects :-) left in the VMS code for the financial3 > 	benefit of some aging ex-OpenVMS engineers ? :-)   4 Not so many as for those with Windows experience :-)  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:44:26 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: Y2038H Message-ID: <y4k88tyb9x.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  3 CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> writes:-  5 > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:SJ > >   I plan to supplement my retirement income removing Y2038 behaviours.  7 Exactly. I plan on starting with that in the year 2035.p   > 	VMS in 2038 ?  8-)k  J I hope yes, but the targets of the above-mentioned variety will be all the other OSes, not VMS.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:11:12 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bri Subject: Re: Y2038L Message-ID: <OFFACF7B11.9EF2BE8B-ON032569BC.00638EA2@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  K 2038 ???? I will be retired  in my farm using a neuronal chip in my mind tok" check my health, "talk" to my wifeJ and read my "p-mails"  <--- psycho-mails .... I dont know if  the hardware$ will be from Compaq or Sun, I am notI sure what company will win the war .... but the software will not be from9* Microsoft of course.... probably will be a QNX +VMS merge :-)))   Fabio C.                  A Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> em= 21/12/2000 14:44:26 L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: Y2038                                           >                                                                             3 CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> writes:   5 > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:-J > >   I plan to supplement my retirement income removing Y2038 behaviours.  7 Exactly. I plan on starting with that in the year 2035.o   >    VMS in 2038 ?  8-)9  J I hope yes, but the targets of the above-mentioned variety will be all the other OSes, not VMS.        Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:47:20 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a) Subject: Re: Y2038 (was RE: soon enough?)sH Message-ID: <y4hf3xyb53.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  L >   Caveat: not everything on or ported to OpenVMS uses the native quadword N >   time format or UTC.  If Y2K was any indication, some stuff lurking around M >   probably does use a signed longword value for time_t, and this code coulds0 >   potentially overflow in (or before) Y2038...  J The problem here is (thankfully, until 2109) not the data storage itself -G that has been an unsigned integer since second 1. The problem is in theuK instructions manipulating the data, which have to tell the ALU whether it's > signed or unsigned; the fixes in the C RTL where of this kind.   	Jan   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.711 ************************