1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 22 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 712       Contents: Re: ACMS & Codasyl database  Re: ACMS & Codasyl database # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster & Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!& Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!' RE: Error After Adding New Network Card ! Re: Flackey fibre channel support ( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo# Re: Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE # Re: Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE 1 RE: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales  Re: Mozilla 0.6 E Of Well-known Pontificators and Word Processors (was Re: Sun Cluster)   OpenVMS V7.3 EFT2/SDK2, Freeware! Re: Problem with linking C++ code  Re: Sun Cluster  Re: Sun Cluster  RE: Sun Cluster ) Re: System halts when console is shut off ) Re: System halts when console is shut off 
 Re: Thank you  V4.2 UCX eco 4 install error? ! Re: V4.2 UCX eco 4 install error?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:29:13 +0100 . From: Francis ANDRE <francis.andre@easynet.fr>$ Subject: Re: ACMS & Codasyl database* Message-ID: <3A426819.E677C257@easynet.fr>   Roland  > I would like to get all ACMS manuals (reference, user's guide,4 administration, system programming, ...) on a CDROM.     Francis   * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: > 0 > In <3A3E0BD9.F811E111@easynet.fr>, on 12/18/00@ >    at 02:06 PM, Francis ANDRE <francis.andre@easynet.fr> said: > @ > ACMS has been here for a long time.  What do you wish to know? >  > Roland >  > >Hello There > F > >I am looking for information about ACMS and a Codasyl database that > >should have2 > >been implemented on VMS. Anyone could help me?? >  > >Thank you in advance  >  > >Francis ANDRE >  > --= > ----------------------------------------------------------- F > yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"8 >                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a: >                             For a Microsoft free univers= > -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:35:03 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com $ Subject: Re: ACMS & Codasyl databaseD Message-ID: <OF9FD47849.9F53D1CD-ON882569BC.007680C5@foundation.com>  I That should all be on the VMS documentation CD set, which I believe ships  with VMS itself.   Shane           B Francis ANDRE <francis.andre@easynet.fr> on 12/21/2000 12:29:13 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   % Subject:  Re: ACMS & Codasyl database      Roland  > I would like to get all ACMS manuals (reference, user's guide,4 administration, system programming, ...) on a CDROM.     Francis   * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: > 0 > In <3A3E0BD9.F811E111@easynet.fr>, on 12/18/00@ >    at 02:06 PM, Francis ANDRE <francis.andre@easynet.fr> said: > @ > ACMS has been here for a long time.  What do you wish to know? >  > Roland >  > >Hello There > F > >I am looking for information about ACMS and a Codasyl database that > >should have2 > >been implemented on VMS. Anyone could help me?? >  > >Thank you in advance  >  > >Francis ANDRE >  > --= > ----------------------------------------------------------- F > yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"8 >                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a: >                             For a Microsoft free univers= > -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:16:28 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com , Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun ClusterD Message-ID: <OFAC6312FF.AE3CFFA7-ON882569BC.006429DF@foundation.com>  I Question: 287MHz DDR as a marketing expression (ie that's the data rate), K or 287MHz DDR as an engineering expression (ie that;s the clock speed, data 
 goes at 584)?    Shane           E Rich Dischler <richard.dischler@compaq.com> on 12/21/2000 07:29:06 AM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   - Subject:  Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster     4 278MHz, dual data rate (data clocked on both edges).0 Sorry for the strong HW slant... it's what I do.  
 Rich Dischler 6 Engineering Manager -   Uni and Dual Processor Systems COMPAQ Alpha Volume Servers ! 508 467-9655  297-9655 (internal)      Taki Pioy wrote:  @ > "Rich Dischler" <richard.dischler@compaq.com> wrote in message& > news:3A3FAB85.6F1D0DE7@compaq.com...= > > The 667MHz EV67 CPU uses less power and creates less heat ) > > than the 500MHz EV6 CPU chip variant.  > > 6 > > The shrunken die features allow such an occurance.< > > But, we cranked the cache from 4MB LateWrite to 8MB DDR. > A > On the 667 module's, what are the B-cache RAM parts cycle rate? ; > 167, 222MHz or something else? (333, 444, ... data rate).  > C > Are you hoping to crank the cache on the 21264B (?) even further,  > and using the 2/3 multiplier?  > 	 > Regards  > /fad   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:19:34 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>/ Subject: Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work! ; Message-ID: <aJs06.20630$1t.686076@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message $ news:3A423C94.D36CCA05@uk.sun.com...? > Nice to see that you are still posting FUD, your track record = > would suggest that this isn't a wise course of action as it = > would for your posting any predictions on any Alpha/OpenVMS 
 > futures. > > > Released any new Marvel predictions recently. I particularly> > liked the unconcious irony of your sounding off about people? > predicting the performance of Itanium based systems, a master ? > stroke in denial on your part. Do I need to remind you of all @ > the performance estimates you have made for Alpha's which have. > not been acheived. 200,000+ TPM ring a bell.  K I suspect the initial WildFire numbers (which IIRC are the best Oracle TPCs J for a single system) reflect a deep and abiding need for more tuning, esp.& of Oracle on the platform in question.  G The 1043MHz EV68 CPU refresh should help, but predicting TPCs on as-yet 9 unavailable hardware is like predicting the stock market.   H It'll be a while until MARVELous predictions can be made, seeing as saidK system is contingent on EV7, which lives only in early prototype form. (The I 1043MHz EV68 from IBM *does* exist; I had proof until my copper-SOI "show J and tell" piece disappeared whilst I was enroute from SYD to BOS via LHR).I The Marvel test platform, pride of the Marvel Mansion, exists as well, it  gets powered up this month.    > " > But back to the subject in hand. > ; > Don't you have anything more than unsubstantiated rumour.  > A > You were the person after all who suggested that the Australian ; > HPC system had failed its acceptance tests because it was : > unreliable and you even suggested that they were waiting > for mirrored ecache.  K An article on the 7 November IT/business page of (IIRC) The Australian made J similar claims. All the APAC folks have said *publicly* (on 23 October) isL that the initial config failed acceptance tests. However, allegations of CPUL problems in the UE10K quad-pack are rife in the Land Down Under. Whatever, tJ he RFP was re-opened and I'm sure that Sun, HP, IBM, CPQ, and even SGI are duking it out over this one...   Time will tell.    Happy Boxing Day!    terry s    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:27:04 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com / Subject: Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work! D Message-ID: <OFF5B5F09D.FF05D222-ON882569BC.006532E6@foundation.com>  C Would you care to ask some of your happy customers to confirm that,  officially, to this newsgroup?   Shane           D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 12/21/2000 09:23:32 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   0 Subject:  Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!    = Nice to see that you are still posting FUD, your track record ; would suggest that this isn't a wise course of action as it ; would for your posting any predictions on any Alpha/OpenVMS  futures.  < Released any new Marvel predictions recently. I particularly< liked the unconcious irony of your sounding off about people= predicting the performance of Itanium based systems, a master = stroke in denial on your part. Do I need to remind you of all > the performance estimates you have made for Alpha's which have, not been acheived. 200,000+ TPM ring a bell.    But back to the subject in hand.  9 Don't you have anything more than unsubstantiated rumour.   ? You were the person after all who suggested that the Australian 9 HPC system had failed its acceptance tests because it was 8 unreliable and you even suggested that they were waiting: for mirrored ecache. Another speculation on your part that proves to have been incorrect.  = Incedentally the cache scrubber patch has on the systems that 8 I have been responsible for, had no measurable effect on< performance. Of course this may not be the case for all apps> but 300+ Sun's running a variety of apps all with the scrubber; patch in place and no performance problems tends to suggest : that your rumour might end up being as accurate as all the previous rumours.      Rob Young wrote: > C >         Hey guys... does this look like an Enterprise Architect's $ >         recommendations or what??? >  > L http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO55351_NLTpm%2C00.html   > D > "Sun supplied an external cache-refresh kernel patch to reduce the
 likelihoodH > of this recurring, but this adds [load] to our boxes - and our systems are G > still crashing regularly," echoed a user at a large European bank who  also > requested anonymity. > C > Similarly, "Sun has recommended various cooling and environmental 
 requirements, H > all of which we meet," the user said. But there have been more than 50G > memory-related server crashes in the bank's London offices during the  past few > months alone, he added." > A >         Have you checked for static?  50 crashes?!?  I bet they 5 >         are on the top ten list for mirrored cache!  > E > After a high-level meeting with bank representatives last week, Sun 	 requested G > further environmental surveys, the user said. "They are giving strict  airflow H > and temperature requirements that exceed those quoted in their product guides," > the manager added."  > F >         Man oh man... we certainly recognize those fingerprints, huh folks? > H >         But I thought Andrew that the cache scrubbing software reducedH >         the incidence of crashes to barely discernable levels!  That'sB >         how you spun it last time Andrew.  Come spin this for us >         Andrew!!!  > % >                                 Rob    -- Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:44:53 -0600 / From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> 0 Subject: RE: Error After Adding New Network CardR Message-ID: <6FACDDDFBD7BD411B38100D0B7B0CDCC40B5FC@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  K Yep, I just got off the phone with the CSC an learned that the EWB-0 device L is referenced as EWA-1 when used in network configurations such as DECnet orB TCP/IP.  What I didn't ask them was where this is mentioned in theD documentation.  Thanks for your response, but did you learn about byD accident as we just did or is it explained in the doc set somewhere?   Ed   -----Original Message-----0 From: eplan@kapsch.net [mailto:eplan@kapsch.net]* Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:09 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 Subject: Re: Error After Adding New Network Card    G In article <91tbbs$bn2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, amani7848@my-deja.com writes: 2 >We're running VMS V6.2 on an AlphaServer 2100. We. >just added a DE500 to the system along with a1 >number of ECOs.  The system reports that the new 0 >device EWB-0 is active via LANCP, but if we try+ >and add the device to DECnet (phase IV) we , >receive the following when we try and start >DECnet. > 2 >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process >is 29600171/ >%DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of MOM$SYSTEM  >has been superseded$ >%DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of( >MOM$SYSTEM_NOSOFTID has been superseded$ >%DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of& >MOM$SYSTEM_SOFTID has been superseded/ >%NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format ,  >Line 
 >Line = EWB-0 ( >%SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name/ >%NCP-W-INVIDE, Invalid identification format ,  >Circuit >Circuit = EWB-0( >%SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name* >%NCP-I-NOINFO, No information in database2 >%RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process >is 29600173  C IIRC, in DECnet Phase 4, the device notation for the EWB0 is EWA-1.  Try again and give feedback    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:26:39 GMT , From: Dave Harrold <DRHarrold@earthlink.net>* Subject: Re: Flackey fibre channel support8 Message-ID: <o9944tkvmd2bcgdsa9jncdvdnub7p6mnui@4ax.com>  0 On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:41:47 +0000, Dave Brennan  <dave@lugano.demon.co.uk> wrote:  D >I am interested in other peoples experience with using SAN networks
 >with VMS. >   B I am currently using a SAN in my production environment.  As otherC people have said, it takes some experimenting to get it right after A all of the current patches have been applied.  The latest patches D (VMS721_SHADOWING V4.0 and VMS721_FIBRE_SCSI V2.0) helped out with a( lot of the peculiarities we were seeing.  A >We have been doing some testing and seen nodes crash in our test   >cluster, when doing SAN access. > E >We have also seen a shadow set PARTITION when the fibre link between G >two machines is severed. That is, near side says this shadow set is ok E >but far side, is down. Far side say we are ok but near side shoud be ? >kicked out. Result two shadow sets being updated seperately by   >different sides of the cluster. >   6 I haven't seen any issues like this, so can't comment.  G >Talking to Compaq, I suggested that fibre channel devices were flakey.  >They said they were imature.  >   ? I would agree with the immature comment.  It is getting better,  though.   7 >Is enybody else getting this SAN stuff to work on VMS?  >  >Dave 0 >-----------------------------------------------0 >Dave Brennan          <dave@lugano.demon.co.uk> > % >Universe saving by appointment only! 1 >------------------------------------------------   
 Good Luck,   Dave Harrold    V ======================================================================================V Dave Harrold                                          E-Mail: David_Harrold@Aurora.orgL Sr. Software Systems Engineer                         Phone : (414) 647-6204L Aurora Health Care                                    FAX   : (414) 647-4999I 3031 W. Montana Street                                Milwaukee, WI 53234   X "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to/ underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:10:04 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> 1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo 8 Message-ID: <91tkds$d9n$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  + It contains what c seen at the vms web site 7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message " news:3a424443@news.kapsch.co.at... > In articleA <OFB17542D1.24A7E72A-ON032569BC.00496CF4@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, + fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:  > >Click > > 9 > >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/happyholidays/index.html  > F > No, thanks. It is no funny text, it is an .EXE (and not an VMS one).- > And so I won't find out what it contains...  >  > >And from me too ! :-) > 
 > Add me ! >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 > > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Dec 2000 12:40:24 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllot3 Message-ID: <T5Loc0McRUzH@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>a  1 In article <009F4EB8.2FEF6B79@SendSpamHere.ORG>, sD     	system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes: [...] K > ... and a greeting .EXE message from Rich too.  Can we take him or Compaq K > seriously when the .EXE is a monopoly$chlock image and not one which willcL > run on VMS?  When they do things like this, it is so difficult to keep theJ > faith.  What does this say to me?  It says, we want/expect you to foregoM > VMS and deposit your money into the hands of the wealthiest son of a bitch s > to have ever lived.     G         My sentiments exactly!  :-(  I had _hoped_ that the URL (versuslG     the e-mail attachment which was _properly_ stripped by our incoming-G     mail server) would be something that could be viewed in a browser. fG     Not so.  It's just a _download_ link of said M$ .EXE.  Deep sigh...D           -Ken -- eM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:09:49 -0800e! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.como1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo D Message-ID: <OF01789E0F.DE0E2623-ON882569BC.00639710@foundation.com>  E Seconded, Brian. How can we take them seriously when even the OpenVMS-I greetings message won't run on VMS? Someone in the same building as Rich, 5 please go and hit him with something will you please?   K IIRC his address would be Richard.Marcello@compaq.com, and I'm about to uses it.r   Shanes          1 system@SendSpamHere.ORG on 12/21/2000 06:23:48 AM-  ) Please respond to system@SendSpamHere.ORG    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:m  2 Subject:  Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo    
 In articleA <OFB17542D1.24A7E72A-ON032569BC.00496CF4@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,>+ fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:o >Click >h7 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/happyholidays/index.html  >r >And from me too ! :-) >FCs >t  I ... and a greeting .EXE message from Rich too.  Can we take him or CompaqcI seriously when the .EXE is a monopoly$chlock image and not one which willSJ run on VMS?  When they do things like this, it is so difficult to keep theH faith.  What does this say to me?  It says, we want/expect you to foregoJ VMS and deposit your money into the hands of the wealthiest son of a bitch to have ever lived.d   --2 VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  I city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after  them.C   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:48:41 +0100 ' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>i, Subject: Re: Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE* Message-ID: <3A425E99.211B3B39@iaf.fhg.de>  $ Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > V > In article <3A423AAB.4584B44B@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:/ > >PWS500au, OpenVMS 7.2-1, DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE  > >rD > >I installed XPDF 0.92 ( http://decwarch.free.fr/pspdf.html#XPDF )? > >Next I wanted to add an icon to my desktop for running XPDF.eI > >"Create Action" in the Application Manager window has the option "Find2B > >Set..." this shows the icon folders: CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS],, > >CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] andK > >CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] but for all directories no icons  > >are shown. (???)r > >n4 > >The directory CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS] is empty. > > E > >The directory CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has files like7F > >NETSCAPE.L_BM;1, NETSCAPE.L_PM;1, NETSCAPE.M_BM;1, NETSCAPE.M_PM;1,# > >NETSCAPE.T_BM;1, NETSCAPE.T_PM;1zD > >On my desktop I've an icon for netscape with the netscape bitmap. > >nH > >The directory CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has 1517 files. > >o" > >So why is no bitmap icon shown? > >rD > >I was successful in creating the icon for XPDF but it has now the! > >standard bitmap "running man".q > H > So, run the {Icon Editor} and create your own icon file.  Then run theH > {Create Action} and use this new icon --- or simply click on the [EditJ > Icon} button in {Create Action} and edit as you go.  I've added numerous > custom Icons this way. >   h, I used the Icon Editor and saved the icon toA cde$home_defaults:[icons]pdf.m_pm but the icon isn't shown in the21 {Create Action} window. {Find Set} shows an empty $ cde$home_defaults:[icons] directory.     Regards, -- ?  ; ***********************************************************d; *                                                         * ; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *n; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *k; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *t; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *e; *  Germany                                                *h; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *g; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *o; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *e; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *t; *                                                         *b; ***********************************************************t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:27:33 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)h, Subject: Re: Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE0 Message-ID: <009F4EE2.9F30E64F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <3A425E99.211B3B39@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:% >Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:  >> eW >> In article <3A423AAB.4584B44B@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:n0 >> >PWS500au, OpenVMS 7.2-1, DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE >> >E >> >I installed XPDF 0.92 ( http://decwarch.free.fr/pspdf.html#XPDF )e@ >> >Next I wanted to add an icon to my desktop for running XPDF.J >> >"Create Action" in the Application Manager window has the option "FindC >> >Set..." this shows the icon folders: CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS],s- >> >CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] andtL >> >CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] but for all directories no icons >> >are shown. (???) >> >5 >> >The directory CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS] is empty.h >> >F >> >The directory CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has files likeG >> >NETSCAPE.L_BM;1, NETSCAPE.L_PM;1, NETSCAPE.M_BM;1, NETSCAPE.M_PM;1,t$ >> >NETSCAPE.T_BM;1, NETSCAPE.T_PM;1E >> >On my desktop I've an icon for netscape with the netscape bitmap.n >> >I >> >The directory CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has 1517 files.a >> ># >> >So why is no bitmap icon shown?l >> >E >> >I was successful in creating the icon for XPDF but it has now thew" >> >standard bitmap "running man". >>  I >> So, run the {Icon Editor} and create your own icon file.  Then run the-I >> {Create Action} and use this new icon --- or simply click on the [Edit K >> Icon} button in {Create Action} and edit as you go.  I've added numerous- >> custom Icons this way.  >> > - >I used the Icon Editor and saved the icon to.B >cde$home_defaults:[icons]pdf.m_pm but the icon isn't shown in the2 >{Create Action} window. {Find Set} shows an empty% >cde$home_defaults:[icons] directory.t  . I'm not sure what cde$home_defaults points to.  ; Place the icon file in the directory [<your root>.DT.ICONS]h   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:48:31 -0600u+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>a: Subject: RE: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) salesN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B2F@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   JF,s  L Not saying the idea does not have some merit, but don't forget that there isL a trade-off - what does the go-direct model do to the loyal distributors and partners you have in the field?d  I There are definate benfits to the end user, but as a vendor, if you don't J balance the story, you will find the partners/distributors pushing another platform product very quickly.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantl Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  Sent: September 29, 2000 3:40 PM To: Info-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COMe: Subject: Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales     andrew harrison wrote: > > > Sun has taken this one step further, the Sun Blade 1000 with= > a 600 Mhz UIII CPU is only going to be available via onlinen > auctions.   K This is a smart move by SUN. Just as it was smart for HP to get into Amazona2 and give the appearance of booting the Alphas out.  E Sun not only gets to push its hardware, but it also supports its Ebay  customerJ by increasing business at Ebay, and thus making it much harder for Ebay to% switch supplier of IT infrastructure.   H A few years from now, I suspect Compaq may clue in on this technique and make its attempt at copying it.  E (In all fairness to Compaq, I beleive that Northernlights is one suchg example,) although most certaintly not as visible).    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Dec 2000 20:35:49 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.6, Message-ID: <91tpj5$r5r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  U In article <3A424192.BBDB73F6@dnv.com>, Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com> writes:o< >If the user has SYSPRV privilege, Mozilla M0.6 starts fine.  G Eek, what is this, WNT?  Do you really want to run a piece of flakewarer like that with priv's???   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edul? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech u   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:21:22 GMTn4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Of Well-known Pontificators and Word Processors (was Re: Sun Cluster); Message-ID: <SKs06.20632$1t.686374@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>r  L "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote in messagey   <snip> >lG > Incidentally, ever heard of LaTeX? Ever wondered where the "La" comesi from?s > ' > Sheesh, what is this world coming to.  >    Sad but true, MS-Orifice.w   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Dec 2000 19:19:41 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: OpenVMS V7.3 EFT2/SDK2, Freeware 6 Message-ID: <91tl4d$5sl$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D   The OpenVMS V7.3 Field Test (second/updated) Software Developer's C   Kit (SDK2) will be shipping for orders received starting Friday, e"   22-Dec-2000.  (That's tomorrow.)  =     Part: QA-MT3AD-H8    Call: 1-800-ATCOMPAQ (North America)   B   This CD-ROM kit is useful for those customers, ISVs, and OpenVMSB   hobbyists wishing to work with or to test applications with the 9   current external baselevel of the next OpenVMS release.?     Cost is $39.95.a  7   Followups have been set to the SDK support newsgroup:.        vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest   	--0  ?   I am also now soliciting updates and new submissions for the e>   OpenVMS Freeware (probably to be known as the Freeware V5.0 >   release).  For the OpenVMS Freeware submission information,    please see the URL:   :     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/cd.html  ?   Submission deadline is (currently) Monday February 5th, 2000.b   	--e  G   And before somebody asks, I'll confirm that the webpage for ordering wE   the SDK via the OpenVMS estore website is updated, though (if it iscC   not already in progress) that change may or may not appear until M   circa 27-Dec-2000.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:58:12 -0800W! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comd* Subject: Re: Problem with linking C++ codeD Message-ID: <OF3FF5DBCF.77F9FEBF-ON882569BC.0066B66D@foundation.com>  E I wasn't going to pitch in, since it's been several years and severalC@ compiler releases since I used C++ on VMS, but here goes anyway.  H Are you using the standard LINK command? When I last used C++ you had toH use a special linker, CXXLINK instead or the template instantiation etc.1 didn't get done. Have a look through the manuals.    Shane1          8 seibel_r@localhost.localdomain on 12/21/2000 10:23:01 AM  % Please respond to seibel_r@ociweb.comI   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms cc:   + Subject:  Re: Problem with linking C++ code     K Having received no response, I must assume that this is not the right group:B for this question, I apologize.  Could one of you direct me to the	 newsgroup@J where the C++ on VMS gurus hang out?  Or is C++ so little used on VMS that there is no such group?a   TIAe Rich  - On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:04:40 GMT, Rich Seibels  <seibel_r@localhost.localdomain> wrote: >NI >I am trying to port a rather large open source middleware package calledx: >ACE/TAO to VMS and I am having a problem with the linker. >hF >I have built both a static library and a dynamic library.  When I tryE >to link an application with the dynamic library, none of the symbolssC >get resolved.  When I try to link with the static library, all therD >symbols get resolved except those from one object module.  That oneF >object module, if I include it specifically in the link, will satisfyC >all the missing symbols.  I know that the module is in the libraryoC >because LIBRARY tells me so and will show me the symbols.  Is thisl! >a known problem with the linker?e >e [snip]   --D --------------------------------------------------------------------D Rich Seibel, Software Engineer                 (314)579-0066 ext 220D Object Computing, Inc.                           seibel_r@ociweb.comD Need ACE training?                      See http://www.theaceorb.comD --------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:24:14 -0800<! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.come Subject: Re: Sun ClusterD Message-ID: <OF5FBFE43E.88A9B232-ON882569BC.0064D795@foundation.com>  J Regardless of what anybody may or may not have speculated, with or withoutH cause, the fact that they failed acceptance is not open to question. I'mI looking forward to seeing how you try to spin that to make Sun look good.e   Shane           D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 12/21/2000 08:29:51 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- cc:    Subject:  Re: Sun Cluster      Rob Young wrote: >i< > In article <3A409E5D.D11D39A3@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > > "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:n > >>J > >> Can you re-check your OZ sources on the reason for failing acceptanceH > >> testing?  I heard a rumor it stayed up long enough but just ran too slowly.: > >>( > >>                                 RDP > >> > >tJ > > The rumour that it failed it acceptance tests because of unreliability- > > was speculation (FUD) on Rob Youngs part.. > >w >eC >         No... it failed acceptance testing.  Maybe there is a way7E >         to pretty that up but from their own website it showed theypG >         were re-issuing RFPs and that Sun was allowed to participate..E >         Maybe we can get caught up in semantics or meaning but theytF >         had a 4 node UE10000 there that never went production.  Tell >         us what that means.o >e  G You alluded to the ecache issues and even went on to suggest that their C the systems had not passed their acceptance tests because they were   waiting for mirrored cache.  A Of course none of these allegations had any factual basis to them ? and were only speculation on your part. A sadly familiar story.-   Regards- Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect4   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:06:47 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Sun ClusterH Message-ID: <OFB090D067.7C3A3884-ON802569BC.00733E6A@qedi.quintiles.com>   Andrew,2B Did it ever occur to you that the reason that you are seeing thoseI customers that have VMS environments is that the customers themselves arerA choosing to deploy Solaris systems rather than continuing on VMS?   I It's about choice you see.  There are many vendors of mid-range equipmentdE and the operating systems that run thereon.  The ideal choice for one J customer is likely to be different than that of another for many reasons -F machine room having too low humidity, machine room having carpet tiles> because people work in there and so on and so on and so forth.  I From your conclusions Andrew I could say that the company I work for havepI IBM as their preferred supplier for Intel servers and desktops so neitherwH Compaq nor Dell are in this market any more.  Similarly, since one of myI former employers used 3-Com network kit then no other company are getting|& their kit installed anywhere any more.         Andrew Harrison wrote/quoted:|  @ >>>You don't make a distinction at all between a platform that a; company has which is simply being maintained and turned off-5 and a platform which a company is actively adding to.   9 OpenVMS in the customers I deal with falls into the first-: category, it exists it is being maintained where necessary6 and turned off where practical. To my knowledge in the9 customer I deal with there are no new OpenVMS deploymentsE8 going on, systems are being maintained but not added to.  7 Again the fact that you can't grasp this is a testiment 5 to your inabilities which you might be better off not  sharing with the world.e  9 Your tendancy to accuse people of lying because they havea: a contrary view to you or because you could not or did not' want to comprehend is just one example.S  B > When it befits your campaign against OpenVMS to say that OpenVMS@ > has been completely replaced among your customers, that's what@ > you say.  When you prefer to have a few OpenVMS experts around. > to ask questions, then they suddenly appear. >s  ; No I have not said that. I don't encounter people deployingk< new OpenVMS systems, I do encounter people who have existing= OpenVMS based systems. I suspect that you are the only personX4 on this group who wants to make an issue of this.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:26:48 -0600 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>t Subject: RE: Sun ClusterN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B25@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   G'day Andrew !  0 Things are getting a little warm these days eh ?   :-)h  L >>> because they either needed an app that only runs on one of these systemsH or because in the case of OpenVMS they have a legacy infrastructure that2 they aquired when they aquired another company.>>>  K Or, another way of putting it, they need a high availability infrastructureaK that the older legacy UNIX architectures are not yet capable of acheiving.    L Here is a good example of a very high profile NEW OpenVMS Customer that wentJ live in May of this year using Oracle Rdb and OpenVMS Multi-site clusters:8 <http://www.iseoptions.com/about/technology_compaq.html>  K >>> its certainly the case with the company I am working for since they areN- migrating from OpenVMS to AIX and Solaris. <<u  I I am sure there are examples of OpenVMS losing to UNIX, just as there aretF examples of UNIX losing to OpenVMS. As an example, I know of two majorH Customers in the last month that just went through a major "where are weG going in the future?" type process with all sorts of political and very? competitive pressures. o  G In one case the winner was OpenVMS, RMS and Oracle Rdb over AIX. In theAL second case, it was Oracle8I and OpenVMS over Sun Solaris (the load balancedK multi-site capabilities were big in the second case as Business Recovery isO huge issue these days...).  J So, .. other than you throwing out some fud and trying to position it as aG trend, and then me countering it, what does this prove?  Hey, maybe the K OpenVMS winning more opportunities over the older UNIX competition is a NEWw trend???   Here's a question for you -   J How many of the migration decisions you are talking about were made before4 press events like the following made the air waves?:L <http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO55351_NLTpm%2C00.htm l>6 <http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2000/1113/6613068a.html>   Sorry, couldn't resist ..i   :-)    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantn Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesw Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]  Sent: December 20, 2000 6:53 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como Subject: Re: Sun Cluster     Jordan Henderson wrote:a > , > In article <3A3E416B.2C22A9B2@uk.sun.com>,5 >   andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  > > Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > > > 8 > > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > > > G > > > > If you were putting together a list of speakers who a hall full  > of nonI > > > > Compaq technical people would come to listen to who would you put  > on the > > > > list ????  > > >  > > > Leslie Lamport > > > John Henning > > >  > > ? > > Just as a test I tried your two names out on a room full of > > > people who included a number of OpenVMS administrators and= > > developers, the customers chief architect and a number of 3 > > other developer/system admin and security bods.H > >R > B > Anyone else find it interesting that we are supposed to believe,@ > all at the same time, that Andrew is not in marketing, none ofC > his customers use OpenVMS, as he's reported here in the past, anddB > yet he's able to get a room full of people together, including a2 > number of OpenVMS administrators and developers? >   < The customer I work for has purchased another company which ; happens to have a large OpenVMS infrastructure. The OpenVMSr9 folks all come from the company that has been bought and t& assimilated if that is the right term.  < But really Jordan, nearly every large company has a mixture < of systems and the company I am working for is no different.  @ Their standard server suppliers are IBM and Sun, S390's and AIX @ from IBM and Solaris based systems from Sun. They of course have= Niles, HP's, OpenVMS and Tru64 based systems as well because UA they either needed an app that only runs on one of these systems AD or because in the case of OpenVMS they have a legacy infrastructure 4 that they aquired when they aquired another company.  ? Nor would it be suprising if indeviduals have both say UNIX andi= OpenVMS skills, its certainly the case with the company I am F< working for since they are migrating from OpenVMS to AIX and Solaris.  < > By his own statements, it sounds more believable that he's@ > actually a technical resource, groomed in OpenVMS technologies7 > to counter any marketing one might see out of Compaq.o >   = The fact that you find this unbelievable is more a testiment o$ to your own bias than anything else.  > > That's certainly what he does here.  I'd wager you'd be hard@ > pressed to find a Sun employee who knows more about Compaq and > OpenVMS than Andrew.  > I very much doubt that that is true either. I have 2 collegues> both technical who sit within 10 yards of my desk, one worked C for Compaq supporting OpenVMS and one left a few days prior to the n1 Compaq takeover and was also in OpenVMS support. u of Digital,    regards  Andrew HarrisonP Enterprise IT ArchitectA   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 14:45:51 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)2 Subject: Re: System halts when console is shut off+ Message-ID: <JK8dKY$$6CUA@eisner.decus.org>r  n In article <91rts7$e7s$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> writes:D > This post is in regards to a VAXstation 4000 VLC.  The machine ranN > wonderfully before my graphics monitor randomly died and I had to hit s3 andK > use a terminal as the system console.  To save power on the machine (it'soM > only a fileserver, so I don't care all that much about what messages scrollnD > across its screen), I turn the console on only when necessary (forM > [re]booting it and the like).  However, with the terminal-as-console setup, N > the VAX halts itself whenever I shut the terminal off (shutting the graphicsN > monitor off before didn't do this, most probably because monitors are outputJ > devices and so the VAX doesn't give a damn whether it's doing its job orK > not).  How do I tell the VAX that it's really OK to keep running when thejK > terminal shuts off?  Or is there a setting that needs modification on ther > terminal?u  G Chances are that the terminal is tossing a Break or Ctrl-P or the like IJ on the line when you shut it off.  This will cause the VAX to halt becauseC the terminal told it to.  If you disconnect the serial line before  & turning it off, this might not happen.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:18:52 -0000E4 From: "John D. Peedle" <john@peedle.freeserve.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: System halts when console is shut off/ Message-ID: <91ts35$lkv$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>   7 "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messaget% news:JK8dKY$$6CUA@eisner.decus.org...rK > In article <91rts7$e7s$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <noth$ dot an at earthling dot net> writes:F > > This post is in regards to a VAXstation 4000 VLC.  The machine ranL > > wonderfully before my graphics monitor randomly died and I had to hit s3 and G > > use a terminal as the system console.  To save power on the machine> (it'sBH > > only a fileserver, so I don't care all that much about what messages scrollF > > across its screen), I turn the console on only when necessary (forH > > [re]booting it and the like).  However, with the terminal-as-console setup,G > > the VAX halts itself whenever I shut the terminal off (shutting theC graphicsI > > monitor off before didn't do this, most probably because monitors arer outputL > > devices and so the VAX doesn't give a damn whether it's doing its job orI > > not).  How do I tell the VAX that it's really OK to keep running when8 thetI > > terminal shuts off?  Or is there a setting that needs modification on. theu
 > > terminal?r > H > Chances are that the terminal is tossing a Break or Ctrl-P or the likeL > on the line when you shut it off.  This will cause the VAX to halt becauseD > the terminal told it to.  If you disconnect the serial line before( > turning it off, this might not happen.  L Are you sure about this? In the Unix world, there is a getty process runningE against the serial port which monitors the port. When the terminal ishH switched off, the (?)DTR line is no longer high so the process dies. SunK Systems drop out to the the OK prompt if you turn off a serial console too. G I'm not sure about Alphas as I have never run one with a serial consoleh   John D. Peedle   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:24:08 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Thank you; Message-ID: <sNs06.20634$1t.686806@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> wrote in message0 news:91t941$3r0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > Dear Newsgroup,t >aJ > I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for being an OpenVMS  > advocate, customer and friend. >eH > This has been a great year for OpenVMS and we are planning for an even > better year in 2001. >oH > Thank you for your comments, feedback, passion and loyalty.  I do hear yourJ > comments and they do make a difference, maybe not as quick as both of us% > would like but you are being heard.h >p > Warm Regards,i >i > Sue Skonetski  > Compaq OpenVMS Group >n  H And thank you, Sue, for participating in this newsgroup, seeing that theI first steps have been taken with the Edu license issue, doing the Diamond- Forums, etc, etc...n  
 charlie matcoM   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:09:24 GMT-6 From: "Ken Woloschuk" <woloschuk@ntprof.sasktel.sk.ca>& Subject: V4.2 UCX eco 4 install error?; Message-ID: <Urt06.3584$jo.64684085@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca>F  G Iam trying to install eco 4 for V4.2 UCX on a V6.2 VMS machine(dec 3000tJ model 800).  I was able to install eco 1 through 3 when they came out withI no problem.  Eco 4 gives the following error when I attempt to install it  on the system.  Any ideas?   thx,   woloschuk@ntprof.sasktel.sk.ca       NODE1 $ product install *n  ( The following product has been selected:E     DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_42_4 V4.0            Patch (maintenance update):   Do you want to continue? [YES]    Configuration phase starting ...  J You will be asked to choose options, if any, for each selected product and foriA any products that may be installed to satisfy software dependencyo
 requirements.,   DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_42_4 V4.0   / Do you want the defaults for all options? [YES]g  ' Do you want to review the options? [NO]    Execution phase starting ...  7 The following product will be installed to destination:SG     DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_42_4 V4.0            DISK$V62_NODE1:[VMS$COMMON.]t  E %PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location for file [SYS$LDR]UCX$BGDRIVER.EXEnE Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]i   Portion done: 0%/ %PCSI-E-S_OPCAN, operation cancelled by request C %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable errorI	 conditionk   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 21:23:53 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: V4.2 UCX eco 4 install error?* Message-ID: <3a4266d9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  t In article <Urt06.3584$jo.64684085@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca>, "Ken Woloschuk" <woloschuk@ntprof.sasktel.sk.ca> writes:H >Iam trying to install eco 4 for V4.2 UCX on a V6.2 VMS machine(dec 3000K >model 800).  I was able to install eco 1 through 3 when they came out with J >no problem.  Eco 4 gives the following error when I attempt to install it >on the system.  Any ideas?m  4 How about answering "No" to the terminate question ?2 Do you have the vms62to71u2_pcsi-v0200 installed ?   HIH-   -- -< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888.< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.712 ************************